HANNIBAL on NBC seems amazing and therefore deserves it's own thread!

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I was completely bowled over by the pilot. So amazing. I mean, the plot was hardly finished (there was three murderers and only one was caught in the end, right?) and I didn't like all the acting, but I don't care when other aspects are so well done.

The colours! This is how you do digital colouring. Most of it had this drenched hipster/instamatic look, but then there were just these fields of colour, and not just teal and orange. Deep red, green, beige. Just so very well composed. The scene in the bathroom! And the trailer at the metalwork, with the yellow frame, and the streak of light green grass in the background. The episode had actually beautiful pictures, not just tv-beautiful.

And the rhythm! This sad calmness. Unbearable. Like, the events are so horrifying, but the pilot always returns to the calmness. Like, the main point of the episode was how Hannibal was able to stay calm in the final horrifying scene, when Will just completely lost composure. Now, this is where I'm a bit worried, as the preview showed plenty of beautiful colouring, but whether or not they can keep the rhythm up on a weekly basis remains to be seen.

I know that it is Hannibal, and we've had The Following and Bates Motel, and that there are one hundred other crime shows with massmurder in them, but with the calm and the colours, and the meditation on violence and society, it constantly reminded me of Nuri Bilge Ceylan's Once Upon a Time in Anatolia. Yes! It was (nearly) that good. I really, really hope they can keep this up. And boy, would I love a second season, though I know it's probably not going to happen.

Frederik B, Friday, 5 April 2013 13:12 (six years ago) link

It reminded me a lot of Manhunter, which I LOVE. I fear it will be cancelled, because it is NBC.

rallying against young people who wear hats (Nicole), Friday, 5 April 2013 13:14 (six years ago) link

Just the presence of Mikkelsen is enough to sell it to me, gonna check out ep1 tonight.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 5 April 2013 13:17 (six years ago) link

Definitely check it out.

rallying against young people who wear hats (Nicole), Friday, 5 April 2013 13:26 (six years ago) link

I really like this so far, probably not shit enough for NBC so it will get cancelled.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 5 April 2013 23:46 (six years ago) link

Mikkelsen is a brilliantly expressive actor. I love that withering look he gives his patient when he drops a dirty snot rag on his clean table. I think this series will get a hell of a lot better as it progresses.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 5 April 2013 23:59 (six years ago) link

Not sold on this - it's pretty much an up-market Criminal Minds, right? Aspie profiler is going to wear thin, possibly.

Also, how did Lecter kill a girl, eat her lungs in his DC-area place and then place her body back in Minnesota?

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 6 April 2013 17:37 (six years ago) link

<3 his pack of dogs, tho

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 6 April 2013 17:41 (six years ago) link

I don't mind the aspie profiler thing, what bugged me most was the clunky dialogue from Fishburne to explain his condition to the viewer "Where do you fall on the spectrum?" etc. I like the aesthetic of this series and think it will get better.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Sunday, 7 April 2013 00:02 (six years ago) link

The dogs <3 yeah absolutely!

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Sunday, 7 April 2013 00:02 (six years ago) link

The scene with the dogs was amazing, my eyes got a bit misty both times I saw it. Also, I'm not sure Hannibal neccessarily ate her in DC, he could have gone to Minnesota and killed someone at her own place? It might get clearer in the next few weeks, or it might just be that they don't care about geography. But I loved the implication in the scene where Graham and Lecter eat's breakfast, and Graham speculates that the copycat killer made negative image, that helped clarify all the unique things about who the original killer was. That Lecter kills to help solve crimes.

Frederik B, Sunday, 7 April 2013 11:18 (six years ago) link

this was awesome!

turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 7 April 2013 11:28 (six years ago) link

damn. i was mislead by the title thinking this thread was about hannibal burress having his own network sitcom.
i'll see my way out.

i got canal smarts bitch (rumham), Sunday, 7 April 2013 11:50 (six years ago) link

This is really well made and acted but I am just sick to fucking death of serial killers.

Simon H., Sunday, 7 April 2013 18:30 (six years ago) link

yup. seems to me there are more murders per day on all those television cop/forensics shows than there are per day in the real-life USA, and about x25 more serial killers on tv than irl.

Aimless, Sunday, 7 April 2013 18:44 (six years ago) link

whoa this is actually good? ok ill try it!!!

zero dark (s1ocki), Sunday, 7 April 2013 19:43 (six years ago) link

I did cringe at the fiftieth repetition of "don't get close!" etc etc.

Simon H., Sunday, 7 April 2013 19:57 (six years ago) link

i only tuned in for mad dog mikkelson, but i was stoked to find that it was actually good. hope they can keep it up. im not really sick of serial killers, its just that a lot of serial killer stories arent done that well.

turds (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 8 April 2013 00:45 (six years ago) link

this was shit

zero dark (s1ocki), Monday, 8 April 2013 01:27 (six years ago) link

i mean, it wasnt the worst thing ive ever seen but it was so humourless and boring

zero dark (s1ocki), Monday, 8 April 2013 01:27 (six years ago) link

lol

turds (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 8 April 2013 02:07 (six years ago) link

i was laughing a lot! i thought it had a good mix of dry humor to contrast with will graham's slightly overdone bundle of exposed nerves thing

turds (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 8 April 2013 02:08 (six years ago) link

curious what the long plan is for this, iirc they intend for hannibal to be found out at end of this season, next season on the run or whatever (though aren't they doing red dragon this season???), will they eventually bring in clarice starling in season four or whatever?

this made me think of you ade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87WaaTGf8eY

balls, Monday, 8 April 2013 02:15 (six years ago) link

lol yeah i saw that. the laugh at you cuz you're all the same banner is my fav detail

i just assumed they're gonna milk the lecter-graham team for as long as they can, maybe over multiple seasons. i havent read anything that the show creator has said about their plans though

turds (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 8 April 2013 02:29 (six years ago) link

s1ocki you have to at least appreciate the random appearance of Scott Thompson

I, rrational (mh), Monday, 8 April 2013 02:59 (six years ago) link

holy shit that was incredible

zero dark (s1ocki), Monday, 8 April 2013 04:17 (six years ago) link

it really seemed like a kids in the hall sketch for a second

zero dark (s1ocki), Monday, 8 April 2013 04:17 (six years ago) link

it would also be a pretty great running joke if dude is was just unwittingly eating body parts the whole season

zero dark (s1ocki), Monday, 8 April 2013 04:19 (six years ago) link

I couldn't tell if he was supposed to be on the FBI team or the locals. I assumed locals and the casting decisions was something like, "We need someone who can play a Minnesotan." "I'm Canadian!" "Close enough."

I, rrational (mh), Monday, 8 April 2013 13:40 (six years ago) link

man i hope he's a regular

turds (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 8 April 2013 15:12 (six years ago) link

Scott Thompson ...
Jimmy Price (13 episodes, 2013)

YES

I, rrational (mh), Monday, 8 April 2013 15:36 (six years ago) link

Yeah, I assume everyone shown this episode is going to be part of the Bones team - concerned lady profiler; Scott Thompson; sassy lab tech woman. That's part of my concern, aside from Scott Thompson being awesome - aside from Hannibal himself, there doesn't appear to be much separating this from all the other slaughterfest procedurals.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 8 April 2013 18:39 (six years ago) link

There's an overarching plot, and the overly-empathetic profiler that they worry about is going to be going to Hannibal (who they think is totally cool) for his therapy?

I, rrational (mh), Monday, 8 April 2013 18:47 (six years ago) link

I thought that the guy playing the profiler looks a bit like Manhunter-era William Petersen, which is a nice touch, in a way.

I, rrational (mh), Monday, 8 April 2013 18:49 (six years ago) link

what if he teams up with CSI william petersen for a crossover, now that i would watch

zero dark (s1ocki), Monday, 8 April 2013 19:42 (six years ago) link

although i always liked the theory that CSI petersen was the same character as in manhunter but older and mellower

zero dark (s1ocki), Monday, 8 April 2013 19:42 (six years ago) link

well, obviously

I, rrational (mh), Monday, 8 April 2013 19:42 (six years ago) link

i've seen red dragon more recently than manhunter so i'm drawing from that but isn't o.g. will's thing not so much that he's a profiler w/ magical empathic capabilities but that he is the profile to a degree? he doesn't have to imagine what it's like to be motivated by envy, covetousness or contempt; it's just below the surface and he just has to let go of the controls just a little bit. like he's stuck in a luke skywalker moment every day of his life where he has to actively choose between oppositional forces because they have equal valence.

slugbuggy, Tuesday, 9 April 2013 16:51 (six years ago) link

I watched the first two eps last night and really enjoyed them! Not the greatest thing ever but I don't really watch any procedurals so I'm happy to have this one.

It's an international co-production so NBC will make all the episodes of the first season order and will air them (they're actually very good for that, Do No Harm excepted). It saw a ratings uptick from week one to week two (take it with a pinch of a salt as it was up against repeats for ep 2) but it was also the best ratings they've had in the Thursday 10pm timeslot in a year (since the premiere of Awake, which dropped off quite severely in it's second week).

I have enough trust in Bryan Fuller that I think this'll be worth the investment in whatever short first season this has got. I actually like Hugh Dancy in this, which surprised me.

Gukbe, Saturday, 13 April 2013 14:59 (six years ago) link

The ratings for week two was really encouraging! Everything NBC has put in this timeslot since 2009 has failed completely, so being flat in week two is no small feat! If it stays like this, they could quite conceivably renew this for a second season, since the chance of something else doing better is very, very low. I really, really want Bryan Fuller to have some kind of succes. He was fired from Dead Like Me, so so far his longest running series is 22 episodes of Pushing Daisies...

Frederik B, Sunday, 14 April 2013 10:48 (six years ago) link

the chance of something else doing better is very, very low

irrelevant, this is nbc

j., Sunday, 14 April 2013 20:11 (six years ago) link

ok so am I watching this or not

ilx convince me

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 14 April 2013 20:17 (six years ago) link

watch it imo

turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 14 April 2013 20:22 (six years ago) link

i hope thats convincing

turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 14 April 2013 20:22 (six years ago) link

SOLD

lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 14 April 2013 20:25 (six years ago) link

Mushroom corpses

Gukbe, Sunday, 14 April 2013 20:44 (six years ago) link

seconded, it's not top tier great but it's very good and seems fairly different for a network drama, closer to something like zodiac than dexter (nowhere near as good as zodiac obv just in line w/ fincher saying that w/ zodiac he wanted to make a serial killer movie that serial killer's wouldn't like, an anti-se7en), show is aware that murder is horrible and devestating. lecter is recognizably lector w/o owing any clear debt to hopkins at all.

balls, Sunday, 14 April 2013 20:48 (six years ago) link

that last part is otm and key for me - mikkelson's lector is really enjoyable, and i thought i was beyond tired of the character. i havent watched the 2nd ep yet tho

turds (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 14 April 2013 20:57 (six years ago) link

okay I'm double sold now

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 14 April 2013 21:09 (six years ago) link

Best horror show to grave tv in maybe ever?

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Sunday, 14 April 2013 21:48 (six years ago) link

best that's not an anthology series maybe, i was impressed w/ how effective it was as horror though. there was a scene in the last ep where they peel that body's face off in the mushroom field and i thought 'wow, that was on network tv'.

balls, Sunday, 14 April 2013 22:13 (six years ago) link

I was at dinner today and mushrooms were served and I don't think I realized how much this episode affected me until then. I felt so ill.

The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Sunday, 14 April 2013 23:17 (six years ago) link

I don't think it is a great series after 2 eps, but it is still early days and I like the aesthetic. Mads seems a bit on autopilot and maybe it should be a lot better, but it is still better than your average tv series right now. The human organ/food thing that is creeping in is very unsettling. If Dexter doesn't get it's act together this could be it's displacer.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Sunday, 14 April 2013 23:52 (six years ago) link

Dexter's sucked for years

I, rrational (mh), Monday, 15 April 2013 02:20 (six years ago) link

I'm really liking this so far. Something about the cast and the combination of understated but effective horror (stuff like Will hallucinating the enormous stag in the hospital, or the semi-alive mushroom victim that they somehow refrained from staging with a big music sting and shock cut) and low-key ugh I hate this word but it fits "quirkiness" is really doing it for me. Are all of Fuller's shows this appealing?

Oh, and the breakfast scramble Hannibal was serving up in episode 2 looked amazing. Does that make me a bad person?

muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Monday, 15 April 2013 04:22 (six years ago) link

On second viewing: the stag had mushrooms covering it?

I, rrational (mh), Monday, 15 April 2013 04:40 (six years ago) link

Are all of Fuller's shows this appealing?

I think so, but keep in mind that Hannibal is darker and less humorous than his previous shows. I would say Pushing Daisies would be the one to watch if you like Hannibal, although it is much goofier and sweeter.

The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Monday, 15 April 2013 11:02 (six years ago) link

Okay so NBC wasn't cool with dead children so they've skipped Episode 4 altogether (in other countries the whole episode will be online), but they've handily put up the scenes from it that are arc-heavy online so we're not all behind: http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/controversial-hannibal-episode-gets-sliced-into-webisodes

Because lol NBC

Gukbe, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:13 (six years ago) link

It is ridiculous, already watched some web rips of ep 4 which don't contain any of the contentious plot and then into ep 5 where SA Will Graham is extra fucked up but we have missed out why he is more fucked up than usual. Silly NBC ....

Jason Dowd, Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:27 (six years ago) link

pilot was pretty good. i wonder if the 'following' people are watching and feeling embarrassed.

j., Thursday, 25 April 2013 21:47 (six years ago) link

they sure should be

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 25 April 2013 23:01 (six years ago) link

wow, didn't realize this was from the guy who created 'wonderfalls.' i rewatched that show last year and it still holds up.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 25 April 2013 23:53 (six years ago) link

Caroline Dhavernas is in this

Gukbe, Friday, 26 April 2013 00:37 (six years ago) link

I am still annoyed that they pulled ep 4. When it is just an ott fictional series about serial killers, someone in the USA is always going to be feeling raw about murder on any given week. This series is just starting to roll good as well, fucking NBC idiots.

Jason Dowd, Friday, 26 April 2013 01:32 (six years ago) link

i'm hopeful that a copy of the pulled ep will end up online, since they're reportedly not pulling it from overseas markets? of course, i don't know when these overseas markets will air it either.

a sentimental knife (reddening), Friday, 26 April 2013 01:52 (six years ago) link

oh, according to tumblr, the pulled ep airs next week (4/30) overseas. i might wait to download that and then watch tonight's.

a sentimental knife (reddening), Friday, 26 April 2013 02:11 (six years ago) link

yeah i'll just wait myself. apparently the pulled ep was one they didn't even screen for critics so i'm guessing they were already crazy squeamish and then the bombings tipped the scales. apparently no real plans to air in the us at all?

balls, Friday, 26 April 2013 02:15 (six years ago) link

according to that article i linked up there, Deadline reported that it was going to be pulled before the bombings. who knows? Maybe Molly Shannon isn't a good serial killer. I'll be fine with just watching the important serialized bits they put online.

Gukbe, Friday, 26 April 2013 04:41 (six years ago) link

this last episode was really grotesque. sort of can't believe they're showing things like this on network tv.

Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Saturday, 27 April 2013 22:05 (six years ago) link

yeah i got the willies from those "angel wings"

mackleless (latebloomer), Sunday, 28 April 2013 00:10 (six years ago) link

the unaired ep is now floating around online (doing a tumblr tag search for "hannibal" shows at least one d/l link).

a sentimental knife (reddening), Monday, 29 April 2013 00:38 (six years ago) link

ty

turds (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 29 April 2013 00:44 (six years ago) link

wait, there's no download links on tumblr. you tricked me

turds (Hungry4Ass), Monday, 29 April 2013 00:54 (six years ago) link

google hannibal s01e04

sheesh you amateur

mh, Monday, 29 April 2013 01:02 (six years ago) link

I think it's a con, not really leaked

mh, Monday, 29 April 2013 01:03 (six years ago) link

could be just the ~20 mins that were cut into webisodes?

Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Monday, 29 April 2013 01:21 (six years ago) link

yeah, the torrents are just the "webisode" version ripped

mh, Monday, 29 April 2013 02:00 (six years ago) link

well it DOES exist somewhere, as my sister downloaded it and i've watched it. i'll ask her where she found it

a sentimental knife (reddening), Monday, 29 April 2013 05:10 (six years ago) link

here, i think this tumblr links to a streaming version, it's got subtitles but it's still got the english dialogue

http://hanniballecters.tumblr.com/post/49154688686/stream-hannibal-ep-4-full

a sentimental knife (reddening), Monday, 29 April 2013 05:13 (six years ago) link

hmm ok

mh, Monday, 29 April 2013 13:56 (six years ago) link

ahhh this show is so GROSS but i love it.

i need to rewatch the pilot because i don't really remember how hannibal came to be so intimately involved with all these people's lives. like, as far as i can tell everyone just seems to like hanging out with him? which is hilarious and charming actually, and it allows him to do boundary-pushing shit like check abigail out of the hospital and they just go "oh hannibal, you rapscallion."

a sentimental knife (reddening), Friday, 3 May 2013 06:43 (six years ago) link

He's presumably there to be Will's therapist but also report back to Crawford whether or not Will is suitable for field work. There was also the implication that Crawford thinks Will might be capable of murder, and Hannibal's supposed to alert him if that seems to be the case.

But yeah, the entire setup is pretty lolsy wolf-in-sheep's-den stuff

mh, Friday, 3 May 2013 15:08 (six years ago) link

I have a few days left of my free Hulu Plus trial, I'm gonna give this a try

*narrows eyes* it better be good

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 May 2013 18:01 (six years ago) link

Do it!

On a related note I am a little sad because it's been getting abysmal ratings and is likely to be cancelled. Otoh it is NBC so who knows.

The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Friday, 3 May 2013 20:03 (six years ago) link

They would be crazy to cancel it, especially as they commission garbage like Revolution. Oooh! We finally see Hannibal getting his hands dirty in ep 6 rather than it being manipulative controlling/implied/offscreen. This is def a series worth sticking with.

Jason Dowd, Friday, 3 May 2013 20:17 (six years ago) link

Even when an actor like Mikkelsson isn't at the top of his game he is still awesome, He has this sexy/ugly/dangerous aura that is very rare.

Jason Dowd, Friday, 3 May 2013 20:43 (six years ago) link

Show is still doing better than a lot of other Thursday 10pm shows in recent years. Also it's an international co-production so that helps with the costs.

Gukbe, Friday, 3 May 2013 21:41 (six years ago) link

tv by the numbers has it as cancelled (though it's been bouncing around), if nbc has any sense they'll stick w/ it for at least another season, seems like the kind of show that dvd release could help build word of mouth. if they had been smart they could've launched it during summer, release the dvd around halloween so it's out for xmas, then launch second season on the back of one of the voice nights in the spring. if this thing was on amc it'd be a hit.

balls, Friday, 3 May 2013 23:32 (six years ago) link

http://www.putlocker.com/file/576933AA15ABB1B8&smaller

Allegedly, anyway; I'm slowly downloading it now

muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Sunday, 5 May 2013 02:11 (six years ago) link

OK, wait, never mind, looks like someone posted the exact same link earlier. Why didn't I check here first :(

muus lääv? :D muus dut :( (Telephone thing), Sunday, 5 May 2013 02:12 (six years ago) link

It's on eztv

mh, Sunday, 5 May 2013 02:42 (six years ago) link

it's not on huluplus, it's web only on hulu. wtf you dumb hulu twits

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 5 May 2013 03:53 (six years ago) link

yeah if hulu plus was remotely the service it should be i'd consider subscribing

balls, Sunday, 5 May 2013 03:54 (six years ago) link

yeah even with the free trial i'm like who the fuck would pay $7 a week for this nonsense

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 5 May 2013 03:56 (six years ago) link

It does have criterion

mh, Sunday, 5 May 2013 04:41 (six years ago) link

omg this show is actually about locavorism

j., Wednesday, 8 May 2013 05:21 (six years ago) link

Two episodes in, this is fucking ludicrous. But I think I kind of like it.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 14:18 (six years ago) link

Will Graham's always correct intuitive leaps are pretty hilarious.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 14:19 (six years ago) link

Seven dollars a week? JFC

The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 14:19 (six years ago) link

Hulu's $7 a month, iirc

mh, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 14:23 (six years ago) link

oops lol yeah that would be steep huh

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 14:49 (six years ago) link

just started this, hope it at least lasts the whole season. pilot was wonderful, second episode less so (journalist woman is fucking annoying).

akm, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 17:24 (six years ago) link

anyway reminds me of Millenium more than anything else which is good

akm, Wednesday, 8 May 2013 17:24 (six years ago) link

Just cancelled Hulu Plus - for almost the same $ I'll add Blu Rays to Netflix again and have access to all the Criterions

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 17:37 (six years ago) link

why is the reporter always wearing those gloves

j., Wednesday, 8 May 2013 17:43 (six years ago) link

just in case there's a crime scene she needs to snoop around at a moment's notice. although in that case she ought to wear a hairnet everywhere too.

a sentimental knife (reddening), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 17:59 (six years ago) link

ha i was wondering the same thing

O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 18:09 (six years ago) link

Yeah, I assumed it was so she wouldn't leave prints. She dresses in a very comic book supervillain sort of way, though.

The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 May 2013 18:11 (six years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/08/business/media/the-office-gets-an-extra-15-minutes-to-say-goodbye.html?hpw

His campaign won out with NBC’s announcement on Tuesday of the additional 15 minutes, a move that harks back to the old NBC strategy of “supersizing” its comedy hits — letting them run a bit longer than their specific half-hour time periods. (NBC will accommodate the extra time by squeezing the drama that follows, “Hannibal,” to run from 10:15 to 11, with fewer commercials.)

man fuck the office

better, eat the office's face, with some kind of vegetable

j., Thursday, 9 May 2013 16:45 (six years ago) link

If it just means fewer commercials I'm fine with that!

I'm so sick of the Office, though -- maybe there could be a very special episode of Hannibal where he kills and eats the employees of Dunder Mifflin.

The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:31 (six years ago) link

I haven't watched it for a few years but the tail end that I see before Parks & Rec looks soooooooooo emo and terrible

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:41 (six years ago) link

Community is ending its season tonight and there's just an Office repeat on after it so I don't know what they've got on at the 8pm hour next week unless (probably) some mawkish clip show retrospective.

The problem with starting Hannibal later, even if it has fewer commercials, is that any kind of scheduling deviation tends to have a negative effect on new, struggling shows. The upside, maybe, is that Office viewers will be stuck 15 minutes into the 10pm hour and might just watch it because everything else has started.

Gukbe, Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:48 (six years ago) link

u guys I just started watching the pilot :D :D

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 May 2013 17:54 (six years ago) link

this show is invidious plodding garbage, mikkelsen's charisma alone does not equal having the wit to pull off csi magicaltortureporn

r|t|c, Thursday, 9 May 2013 18:47 (six years ago) link

wait is hannibal supposed to be a bad guy or something? no fair spoilers from people who read the books

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Thursday, 9 May 2013 18:48 (six years ago) link

xpost oh yay lord of darkness is here

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 May 2013 18:49 (six years ago) link

like he seems like a pretty together guy so far. glad he's there for will and abigail to lean on.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Thursday, 9 May 2013 18:54 (six years ago) link

xp i am a part of you all

r|t|c, Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:07 (six years ago) link

Did you miss the part where he gave the serial killer a heads-up phone call?? Xp

just1n3, Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:12 (six years ago) link

There is no torture porn in Hannibal, some bloody horrible human organ food pornography though. If you are willing to forgo some of the psychobabble and ride along with it is an enjoyable series. I don't know what expectations some folk itt have watching an NBC series but this one has so far exceeded mine.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:19 (six years ago) link

one thing I'm digging about the show is the gesture toward gender parity. even though alanna, freddie, and the forensics lady aren't quite as central as hannibal, will, and jack, the female guest stars have been great (gina torres especially). and gillian anderson tonight yesssssss

a sentimental knife (reddening), Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:39 (six years ago) link

the chick playing lounds is great

turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:42 (six years ago) link

i think the relational setup between the characters is pretty complicated already - could easily be wasted but something good could come of it. one possibly benevolent manipulator/exploiter, one covert malevolent lead who is already infamous for the audience, a suffering 'good' in-show counterpart who everyone basically already treats openly like he's one step away from a serial killer, a morally flexible careerist who will probably end up being given kind of a thing for evil if she's not just the victim of her own incautiousness, the friendly/caring quantico woman, some mentoring-type stuff thrown off on both sides (lecter on his, fishburne on his), some investigative staff, even a dying wife already. and the characters around will are basically in collusion about him except that they're professional peers so that they and he can in some ways acknowledge that they're in collusion about him.

j., Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:48 (six years ago) link

gillian anderson!!!?

j., Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:49 (six years ago) link

a d&d-style moral orientation setup would probably work well for this show

j., Thursday, 9 May 2013 19:49 (six years ago) link

hannibal isn't even the main character, why isn't the show named Will

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Thursday, 9 May 2013 20:42 (six years ago) link

hannibal operates, will is probably just going to suffer a lot

j., Thursday, 9 May 2013 20:46 (six years ago) link

xxxposts yeah hannibal called that guy. seems like he's sort of a fuckup. i mean that's not very good investigative skills.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Thursday, 9 May 2013 20:50 (six years ago) link

wooopsie!

j., Thursday, 9 May 2013 20:52 (six years ago) link

hannibal also slammed alanna's head against a wall so she wouldn't notice him and abigail going off to bury a dead body

a sentimental knife (reddening), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:25 (six years ago) link

yeah he's looking out for abigail, respect

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:37 (six years ago) link

this last episode was good

r|t|c, Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:38 (six years ago) link

have they been alternating the positioning of the names in the credit sequence?

j., Thursday, 9 May 2013 21:50 (six years ago) link

clover cracking me up

balls, Thursday, 9 May 2013 22:21 (six years ago) link

What a great cooking show

Did I mention Brian Reitzell's cool musical cues?

mh, Thursday, 9 May 2013 23:51 (six years ago) link

jerry = will. elaine = alana. george = jack. hannibal = kramer.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Friday, 10 May 2013 01:22 (six years ago) link

gillian anderson AND ellen greene! amazing!

a sentimental knife (reddening), Friday, 10 May 2013 06:45 (six years ago) link

I guess acclaim like this has made NBC a 5th-place network.

ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 May 2013 13:22 (six years ago) link

you guys are kinda crazy. i watched last night's episode because of the praise you guys were giving it... it's... well, it looks good at least, though story-wise it's kind of the worst of Dexter?

Nhex, Friday, 10 May 2013 15:44 (six years ago) link

the worst of Dexter? jesus, how much Dexter did you watch?

mh, Friday, 10 May 2013 15:46 (six years ago) link

tbf i did stop before season 6

Nhex, Friday, 10 May 2013 15:50 (six years ago) link

i hear it went off the rails even more around the time Colin Hanks showed up

Nhex, Friday, 10 May 2013 15:50 (six years ago) link

when jack meets hannibal

slugbuggy, Friday, 10 May 2013 17:14 (six years ago) link

i've watched the first 2 eps and I'm def down with this!

I wasn't feeling Mads as Hannibal in ep 1 but I'm coming around to him in ep 2. at first he felt too cold? he wasn't calm/sincere/polite enough. but that's turning a corner now, he feels a bit more at ease. not relaxed, just calm. the only way the show really works is if he gets Hannibal right.

i love Dancy's Graham. the mannerisms really impress me, he feels so volatile and overwhelmed with restraint/control, those eyelid flickers and stammers, it all tracks.

dunno about Fishburne's crawford, he's kind of more ebullient and generally emotional than I would want him to be. but i guess I could grow to like his interpretation, since I do like old Fishy anyway.

the supporting cast are good so far! freddie's nice and squirrelly, she's well cast.

overall I am in love with how well it's shot, and how it still feels like a deliberate nod to Harris, like they haven't gone completely off the reservation with a loose 'based on' thing which is what I was worried about. feels like the people who wrote this are Harris nerds too, and that placates me a lot. Love the way they mix the procedure and quiet calm and brutality, they are doing a great job with that. and the way the music cues only come in at certain time, they're not overwhelming it with music but letting the quiet work too

UGH yes I'm super into it.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 May 2013 00:03 (six years ago) link

'don't get me wrong, i was in a fraternity, i've "tried" things…'

j., Sunday, 12 May 2013 00:43 (six years ago) link

gah!! hulu just showed me a commercial for the upcoming episode that spoilered the one i was in the middle of!

j., Sunday, 12 May 2013 00:50 (six years ago) link

!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 May 2013 01:38 (six years ago) link

One of many reasons why Hulu is the asshole

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 May 2013 02:28 (six years ago) link

(Not least of which is its chintzy 'oh sorry you can't run adblock software.' No, you fucker, I AM running it, so why am I even bothering with you.)

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 12 May 2013 02:29 (six years ago) link

i remember loving hulu so much when it first started and was totally fine w/ watching ads, etc., but they can't even match the level of service they provided in 2008. now i just use netflix or (increasingly) just watch old episodes of moonlighting on youtube.

balls, Sunday, 12 May 2013 02:33 (six years ago) link

hey what am i gonna do watch tv on tv

j., Sunday, 12 May 2013 02:39 (six years ago) link

omg some of the details in this show

Hannibal's coffee maker in Ep # 3 -- Vacuum Syphon by Royal Coffee Maker <3

http://royalcoffeemaker.com.previewc40.carrierzone.com/newstore/images/products/preview/vccc005.jpg

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 May 2013 05:40 (six years ago) link

never again will I complain about cleaning my coffeemaker

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 May 2013 05:40 (six years ago) link

"i need you to assess the situation here, doctor."

"he was removing his kidney. poorly."

slugbuggy, Sunday, 12 May 2013 06:28 (six years ago) link

i may never watch this show but LOOK at this amazing korean promo spot for it: http://psychoanalyzeme.tumblr.com/post/50249979182/holy-shit-korea-i-love-you-a-lot-all-you-need-to

✌_✌ (c sharp major), Sunday, 12 May 2013 19:46 (six years ago) link

even just the way the voiceover says 'hannibal' is a treat

✌_✌ (c sharp major), Sunday, 12 May 2013 19:50 (six years ago) link

you guys are kinda crazy. i watched last night's episode because of the praise you guys were giving it... it's... well, it looks good at least, though story-wise it's kind of the worst of Dexter?

― Nhex, Friday, 10 May 2013 16:44 (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Uh, not really? It would've been all too easy to make Hannibal in the Dexter mould, as the weekly adventures of another wacky serial-killing vigilante, but this is not that show(thank goodness). Something the AV Club reviewer pointed out stuck with me, that there's a gravity to the way this series treats murder, which to my mind is the antithesis of Dexter's flippant approach to killing. While Hannibal is not without an(extremely mordant) sense of humour, it's almost refreshing how "serious" it feels.

Another important difference between the two shows is that Hannibal doesn't rely on it's supporting cast being utterly incompetent morons in order to maintain the status quo. I'm pretty sure it's not going to take six seasons for Will to suss out that Dr Lecter is not entirely normal.

Pheeel, Sunday, 12 May 2013 20:55 (six years ago) link

otm

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 May 2013 21:02 (six years ago) link

I have cheated the last couple weeks and downloaded this show right before it shows here, since it's showing in Europe a day earlier

tweeship journey to 51 (mh), Friday, 17 May 2013 00:19 (six years ago) link

Gillian Anderson is so cool

tweeship journey to 51 (mh), Friday, 17 May 2013 00:19 (six years ago) link

I just bought a used copy of Red Dragon on Amazon --- I am jonesing for a reread now.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 01:41 (six years ago) link

I want to rewatch MANHUNTER sometime

tweeship journey to 51 (mh), Friday, 17 May 2013 01:55 (six years ago) link

ooh good call

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 02:00 (six years ago) link

I think I can appreciate it now just as a Mann joint and not get as bunged-up as I used to about how it was all wrong lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 02:00 (six years ago) link

can I just say: holy shitballs is Gillian Anderson incredible. So glad they finally gave her a decent hairstyle. GodDAMN gurl

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 06:03 (six years ago) link

we got to see Hannibal stone-cold killing onscreen, and finally the dynamic between him and other killers is starting to get rolling

tweeship journey to 51 (mh), Friday, 17 May 2013 13:46 (six years ago) link

Just started watching. didn't know this was a Bryan Fuller show! Would've watched right from the beginning if i had known. kind of the perfect guy for this, since all of his shows are obsessed with death and food.

On ep 4, this is excellent horror TV and Mikkelsen esp is great, but not sure I'm quite bowled over by it yet. It's not a completely humourless show, but there's something kind of oppressive about its seriousness - Fuller's shows have always treated death seriously (even on the saccharine Pushing Daisies), but they were usually good at finding the (very dark) comedy in it too. The constant ambient drone in the background isn't helping.

Roz, Friday, 17 May 2013 20:29 (six years ago) link

this newest episode ramps things up quite a bit, it's starting to get a bit of a groove.

i kinda like the seriousness, it sets it apart from other tv for me.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 20:33 (six years ago) link

and my god the way they shoot the food prepation, and the food in general is gorgeous. even when he's slicing up offal it's kinda grotesquely beautiful.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 20:33 (six years ago) link

it's so dry, but it's becoming a bit less so

I love the hell out of the drones and audio cues

tweeship journey to 51 (mh), Friday, 17 May 2013 20:39 (six years ago) link

lool

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 20:57 (six years ago) link

#moves like slasher

vg, did you ever watch Pushing Daisies? the pies always made me hungry.

re the drones: maybe it's because I've now watched five episodes in a row - the portentousness got a bit exhausting.

Roz, Friday, 17 May 2013 21:06 (six years ago) link

yeah I did watch Pushing Daisies! for a while...I ended up dipping out after a while because it started to feel samey.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 21:07 (six years ago) link

but yeah the composition and art direction and the overall look is so precise and immaculate. he has good people with him, clearly

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 21:08 (six years ago) link

background drones are 5% of the reason i watch ANY tv show

j., Friday, 17 May 2013 21:10 (six years ago) link

oh!!! jose andres is doing all this? oh fuck that's awesome

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 21:13 (six years ago) link

The use of Iron Butterfly in Manhunter in the deranged finale is really awesome and oddly out of step with Mann's usual type of soundtracking. Love that film.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Friday, 17 May 2013 22:20 (six years ago) link

lol theremin

j., Saturday, 18 May 2013 04:55 (six years ago) link

that (not a theremin) was one of the most amazing sounds ever to come out of my tv

j., Saturday, 18 May 2013 05:16 (six years ago) link

Despite what I said before, I did find the death of Franklin quite amusing. That scene of him attempting to psychoanalyse Tobias was so hilariously awkward that it was actually a relief when he got the ol' neck twist. I'm pretty sure Hannibal just wanted to stop him embarrassing himself any further

Also, my favourite line of the series so far: "I didn't poison you, Tobias. I wouldn't do that to the food."

Pheeel, Saturday, 18 May 2013 09:08 (six years ago) link

oddly 'scandal' was more vicious and bloody this week than 'hannibal'

do censors even work for tv networks anymore?

j., Saturday, 18 May 2013 16:13 (six years ago) link

Violence is fine, it's sex they have a problem with.

...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Saturday, 18 May 2013 16:16 (six years ago) link

Hannibal killed Tobias in self defense but I don't get why he killed Franklin? He seems like he's made a lot of poor decisions lately.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Saturday, 18 May 2013 20:20 (six years ago) link

i've seen people argue that it was either a comedy death (couldn't stand listening to franklin's psycho-babble anymore, also apparently this is a callback to something in the book series?), or that he knew tobias was going to kill franklin or reveal hannibal's secret to franklin, so getting him out of the way was going to need to happen either way. what i don't understand is what he was trying to accomplish by sending will straight to tobias, endangering his life, in the midst of all his talk of a potential friendship/looking genuinely relieved when will turned up alive at the end.

persona insufficiently memorable (reddening), Saturday, 18 May 2013 20:34 (six years ago) link

Hannibal had already told Tobias not to kill Franklin. I think he was sparing Franklin from death at the hands of Tobias, who would have wanted to put on a show for Hannibal; it also immediately gives him the upper hand over Tobias. And I think you're otm, that it also afforded him the expedience of sparing Franklin from finding out the the truth about Hannibal.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 May 2013 21:53 (six years ago) link

still don't know what hannibal's secret was that tobias said he knew. now that tobias is dead i guess we'll never find out :-(

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Sunday, 19 May 2013 00:57 (six years ago) link

maybe the secret is hannibal is planning a surprise party for will.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Sunday, 19 May 2013 02:58 (six years ago) link

wouldn't be unprecedented

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2CZGOsMqTs

balls, Sunday, 19 May 2013 03:04 (six years ago) link

wasn't the secret that tobias followed hannibal and saw him go on his dinner party killing spree last episode? i thought it was just "you are also a crazy murderer, let's be murder friends."

persona insufficiently memorable (reddening), Sunday, 19 May 2013 04:47 (six years ago) link

yeah exactly

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 May 2013 05:02 (six years ago) link

i don't know why everyone is jumping to the assumption that hannibal is a killer. that would be like a huge twist -- not sure if this is that sort of show.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Sunday, 19 May 2013 05:12 (six years ago) link

:P

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 May 2013 05:23 (six years ago) link

dying laughing every time someone takes s. clover literally

tweeship journey to 51 (mh), Sunday, 19 May 2013 05:45 (six years ago) link

s.clover can i have a copy of your business card for my records

persona insufficiently memorable (reddening), Sunday, 19 May 2013 06:55 (six years ago) link

Caught up, it's a very entertaining show. Wow Mads is good, charisma off the charts. Better than Hopkins (nb I've never really liked Hopkins).

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 20 May 2013 15:27 (six years ago) link

I still think it's pretty silly though. For one thing the characters seem to be able to teleport around several states. Wouldn't for example Will's lecture hall and Hannibal's practice be several hours apart?

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 20 May 2013 15:29 (six years ago) link

how long do you want the show to be?

:)

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 May 2013 16:45 (six years ago) link

I see Kate Beaton's a fan, if this hasn't already been linked:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/ac920caee3cf213e16eabef8e2dee5f5/tumblr_mmixp5q2CH1rhz8hro2_500.jpg

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 May 2013 00:58 (six years ago) link

omg lance henriksen hearing about how he made such a terrible mistake re: he son, and he just kinda...taps the arm of his chair in quiet dismay? i love the choices this show makes.

persona insufficiently memorable (reddening), Friday, 24 May 2013 06:51 (six years ago) link

absolutely! very stylish, lots of subtle nuances.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Friday, 24 May 2013 16:59 (six years ago) link

Not that I'm not enjoying how creatively grotesque this show is when it comes to showing dead bodies, but they really should hold back a bit or there'd be nothing shocking enough left for later seasons (if it even gets that far - what are this show's ratings like?). Like how much more freakish can the killers get?

Even on something like Dexter - I remember thinking the sixth season was the absolute worst, but their murder set design had never been better.

Roz, Friday, 24 May 2013 17:55 (six years ago) link

Grafton, WV, on the banks of whose adjacent Tygart Lake reservoir the body totem is placed, touts itself as the birthplace of Mother's Day.

MV, Friday, 24 May 2013 22:16 (six years ago) link

but they really should hold back a bit or there'd be nothing shocking enough left for later seasons

Yeah right - the corpse totem was a smidge too OTT. I'm enjoying the regular characters' interactions way more then the sometimes slightly tiresome serial killer of the week stuff.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 25 May 2013 00:50 (six years ago) link

so i was thinking this before, but especially after this last one - it seems to me as if the writers are pretty deliberately putting more of an emphasis on shame than on guilt.

i'm not going to try to sort it out now, but that would sync up with:

1. will's need not to be seen when he's empathizing with the killers; he is (so far) not the same as them, and so he's not able to handle being seen while he's 'being' them since it would do harm to his sense of self (already pretty fragile as far as what others think of him is concerned)

2. the constructions that are put on the girl's killing of that guy. before she reveals her real secret to hannibal, he makes it out to her that he wants to help her keep her responsibility for the guy's death secret not because it was wrong to kill him, but because people will falsely believe that makes her like her father, she'll be unable to avoid the shame (or at least being shamed) the world at large will subject her to. hannibal sells a similar line to will after hannibal confesses to having helped her. then, once she reveals her real secret, it seems as if she's upset not out of guilt, but out of letting herself be seen for what she is after hiding it: the flashbacks to her operating on the train are a little ambiguous about it but she doesn't seem to feel too guilty about what she's helping with (she's not squirming, acting real coerced, etc.).

3. i think hannibal's former patient, the one in the vest, was a source of embarrassment (cousin of shame) to him when he encountered him in public and then in the office with the violin-maker. this was partly because the patient posed a threat either to his sense of refinement, or the image of refinement he projects, and maybe partly because (as someone who apparently has no financial limitations or needs, no need to have to put up with tedious patients to make a living) the fact of his having accepted the patient reveals something of his desires.

4. which define him precisely through the fact that he is not ashamed of having them, of being that person - he only conceals them in order to continue to operate, and to be able to relish the feeling (perversity?) of having those desires 'in plain view', with no one the wiser (thus the dinner parties).

5. when bloom confesses that she has feelings for will (showing that she's unashamed of them), she pretty casually brushes away the suggestion that she might feel bad about them because of something like a professional ethical violation, guilt over breaking the rules. instead, it's because will seems unstable: she's afraid of him, sees him as a danger to her. so she's afraid that giving in to her desires will harm her, destroy her.

6. crawford and will seem to take satisfaction from having revealed lance henriksen to have been guilty of killing his own son, a la a tragedy; but when he taps the arm of his chair it reads more like a little chagrin that his accomplishment, which for him was such a private source of pride (his pleasure in it sounding much like what we see hannibal doing: concealed in plain view, not at all ashamed), was blemished a little, had an asterisk next to it.

7. will is regularly shown being able to handle his empathetic communions with the killers, after the fact when he puts on his classroom performances in a very stagey (also kind of like an operating theater) lecture hall, but under conditions where he's seen by the audience that he can't so much see - where the threat of shame has been managed, controlled (when he's the one in control).

8. the theme of the many therapeutic encounters / ambiguously therapeutic conversations with therapists is basically the same, helping the sufferers be ok with who they are (to not be ashamed of who they are), or in will's case to be able to hold himself together (i.e. to maintain the working sense of shame he brings with him to the work). i kind of expect hannibal to try to work the angle, eventually, with will that he would suffer less if he would just accept this darkness inside him, etc. etc. (although hannibal would not seem to think of it as darkness, just… the way he is).

9. have any of the killers really been motivated by anything like a need to atone or a desire to punish or pay back or anything like that? it seems to me like they're all given 'projects' rooted in self-growth or self-protective desires.

j., Saturday, 25 May 2013 02:57 (six years ago) link

hmm - maybe henriksen's first kill? i didn't quite catch the story.

j., Saturday, 25 May 2013 02:59 (six years ago) link

Impressive analysis, though I couldn't grasp the distinction you make in #9 until, while endeavoring to synthesize some snark, I thought of it in terms of Elvis Costello's famous "revenge and guilt" quote. So, I thought, the narrator in "Watching the Detectives" --whose type is such a staple on most torture-porn police procedurals-- would be out of place as a killer on Hannibal? Why, yes, as a matter of fact, he would.

MV, Saturday, 25 May 2013 03:21 (six years ago) link

i don't know the song well, but yes i think something like that - any kind of killer who was like hunting down unclean bitches or working out a childhood trauma or some kind of paranoid grievance would be out of place, and i gather those would all sort under killers whose motivations circle around guilt and debt and owing. (kind of a nietzsche angle, which i guess seems to me appropriate given how much serial killer fictions, and who knows maybe serial killers themselves if all the fictional images are to be believed, trade in the beyond-guilt/beyond-good-and-evil sort of thing. it's just that, as far as i recall, they often add touches of the guilt-associated range of concepts to their portrayals, or somehow try to make them more malevolent, rather than aiming for an unnerving 'natural' sociopathy. hence all the food and animals and e.g. the minnesotan setting here.)

j., Saturday, 25 May 2013 03:37 (six years ago) link

(the touches of 'guilt' stuff of course also goes along with the idea that the killers take pleasure on what they do and who they are, so the more theatrical ones of course may get a kick out of acting all slavering evil to the non-sociopaths around them.)

j., Saturday, 25 May 2013 03:38 (six years ago) link

idk about alana's reservations but a pure empath w/crazy supernatural imaginative capabilities and a lot of pent-up emotions in need of release would make for some crazy weird sex.

"i bite your lower lip tenderly and pull your hair as per your desire, but just before you signal that desire. this both pleases you and frightens you, each sensation heightening the other. i tear your blouse so what is done cannot be undone or ignored; you'll have to wear one of my shirts home. we consummate in the kitchen. there are olive oil and a rubber spatula involved. this is my design."

slugbuggy, Saturday, 25 May 2013 16:06 (six years ago) link

omg

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Saturday, 25 May 2013 16:29 (six years ago) link

slugbuggy i see a very successful tumblr in your future.

interesting posts j.! i find abigail really hard to decipher; i thought her expressions on the train DID show sublimated horror at what she was doing, but she's also such a good liar/manipulator that i would believe your interpretation too.

persona insufficiently memorable (reddening), Sunday, 26 May 2013 01:20 (six years ago) link

now that i have a more articulated sense of what to watch for i'd like to have another look, from the beginning, to try to follow the story - unfortunately the earlier episodes are already vanished from hulu, tv networks sure are either idiots or cheap about understanding their 'second screen' viewers' habits

j., Sunday, 26 May 2013 01:48 (six years ago) link

or both

jbn, Monday, 27 May 2013 00:03 (six years ago) link

man Lance Henriksen bought some Albert Fish to his character, creepy as hell. That whole speech about smiling and waving, going to church, good stuff

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 May 2013 21:47 (six years ago) link

Renewed.

Gukbe, Thursday, 30 May 2013 23:47 (six years ago) link

:D

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 May 2013 23:49 (six years ago) link

"In the next season, VegemiteGrrl convinces Hannibal that her unusual Australian taste due to a diet of koala tacos and Vegemite pancakes means he should look elsewhere."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 May 2013 23:53 (six years ago) link

It deserves another series, it isn't perfect as many bitchy interlopers have pointed out. But hell it is good enough to warrant another.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Thursday, 30 May 2013 23:58 (six years ago) link

if that stupid Lifetime/Clarice Starling thing goes ahead swear to god I'll give Mads $$$ to practice his craft

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 31 May 2013 01:04 (six years ago) link

the series-long progression from "coy implication that hannibal killed somebody" to "hannibal straining bodily to rip a guy's jaw off his face" has been really effective in freaking me out.

persona insufficiently memorable (reddening), Friday, 31 May 2013 07:26 (six years ago) link

Agreed. I am also really glad they toned down the Hitler haircut.

Three Word Username, Friday, 31 May 2013 14:01 (six years ago) link

CAT scan hallucination wigged me right out

also ppl under the bed O_O noooooooo why is this show trying to give me nightmares

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 31 May 2013 15:56 (six years ago) link

“we'll help you with the nightmares.”

slugbuggy, Friday, 31 May 2013 16:33 (six years ago) link

the series-long progression from "coy implication that hannibal killed somebody" to "hannibal straining bodily to rip a guy's jaw off his face" has been really effective in freaking me out.

The blurred out face caused by the mental illness made this more freaky/scary to me that it would have been if Hannibal's face had been shown.

...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Friday, 31 May 2013 17:39 (six years ago) link

well with the blurry face we have no idea who it was at all. this show is getting weird.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Friday, 31 May 2013 20:19 (six years ago) link

I'm enjoying the regular characters' interactions way more then the sometimes slightly tiresome serial killer of the week stuff.

― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 25 May 2013 01:50 (6 days ago) Bookmark

defo. the show has come on leaps and bounds as these become more complex

signed, a former bitchy interloper

r|t|c, Friday, 31 May 2013 21:35 (six years ago) link

I think I remember we get an objective shot of Hannibal without blurred face before the subjective faceblind shot.

I do very much like how this show never clues you in in an obvious way as to what's the all-seeing camera's reporting and what's subjective and untrue.

Three Word Username, Saturday, 1 June 2013 06:57 (six years ago) link

probably more appropriate for this thread but there's been a few callbacks to Bryan Fuller's previous show Dead Like Me, eg diseased girl Georgia Madchen = dead reaper George Lass, both played by Ellen Muth.

And Laurence Fishburne's trainee who died was named Miriam Lass.

Roz, Saturday, 1 June 2013 09:35 (six years ago) link

thinking about it some more, it's kind of a twisted take on the character - George Lass, the supernatural dead girl who takes people's souls, might just be Georgia Madchen, who kills people because she -thinks- she's dead. :/

Roz, Saturday, 1 June 2013 10:02 (six years ago) link

ah ok then!

Roz, Saturday, 1 June 2013 14:15 (six years ago) link

this show

Gukbe, Friday, 7 June 2013 03:04 (six years ago) link

I was all "killing Max Chilton is NOT CANON" but they pulled back...somehow.

Gukbe, Friday, 7 June 2013 03:04 (six years ago) link

A friend who's had eye surgery was practically having a meltdown on Twitter over this episode.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 June 2013 03:05 (six years ago) link

shit, i guess i better get a p. honest clock buddy in case my brain is inflamed and i got no clue

j., Friday, 7 June 2013 06:06 (six years ago) link

yeesh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotard_delusion

why did they make the girl all cro-mag?

j., Friday, 7 June 2013 06:24 (six years ago) link

I'm sure it was a perfectly fine performance, but sadly I cannot take Eddie Izzard as a serial killer seriously.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 7 June 2013 14:02 (six years ago) link

yeah, it seemed uncharacteristic for him not to offer his victims the cake option.

slugbuggy, Friday, 7 June 2013 17:43 (six years ago) link

the portrayal of dr. gideon was meant to directly reference hopkins' version of lecter? like the entirety of the hopkins movies gets retconned as something that gideon imagined after he became convinced he was the ripper, or something. or else it's a bleeding through from an alt universe where hopkins really is lecter, but in this universe that role's already filled, so gideon becomes a vessel for that persona but can only function as a kind of manque, or a negative that points out the differences in the mads version.

slugbuggy, Friday, 7 June 2013 18:14 (six years ago) link

I feel like I say this a lot on this thread, but man this show is so gross.

Also tattlecrime.com better be making crazy money to justify all the shit freddie lounds has been through.

persona insufficiently memorable (reddening), Friday, 7 June 2013 18:31 (six years ago) link

what made gideon ask lecter if he was the ripper?

j., Friday, 7 June 2013 18:32 (six years ago) link

Gideon's feeling headfucked; meeting the Ripper would help he figure out who he isn't.

Three Word Username, Friday, 7 June 2013 18:52 (six years ago) link

the portrayal of dr. gideon was meant to directly reference hopkins' version of lecter? like the entirety of the hopkins movies gets retconned as something that gideon imagined after he became convinced he was the ripper, or something. or else it's a bleeding through from an alt universe where hopkins really is lecter, but in this universe that role's already filled, so gideon becomes a vessel for that persona but can only function as a kind of manque, or a negative that points out the differences in the mads version.

― slugbuggy, Friday, 7 June 2013 18:14 (1 hour ago) Permalink

i'd love to pick your brain sometime

lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Friday, 7 June 2013 19:30 (six years ago) link

posting just to move the bookmark away from that pic :/

Roz, Friday, 7 June 2013 20:10 (six years ago) link

:( i'm sorry

lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Friday, 7 June 2013 20:11 (six years ago) link

lol it's fine, I just didn't want it to freak me/other people out if I'm at work the next time I open this thread

Roz, Friday, 7 June 2013 20:24 (six years ago) link

idk, it's one thing for a derivative work to diverge from the source material or even other derivative works in significant ways in terms of characterization or storyline etc., but when you take what was altered or excised and fold it back into the new work where it stands alongside its double it creates a kind of diegetic dissonance.

the "fake" ripper that gideon turns into is pretty much identical in personality , mannerisms, and bearing to a "real" ripper that exists in a different and extant diegetic reality, from the perspective of the viewer. i like the notion (that i don't actually believe but am going with anyway) that this is what is fucking with hannibal's sense of identity: not that there is a false ripper going around sullying his reputation, but that at some level gideon's ripper is as real as hannibal's.

otoh, hannibal already has an other in will that he's trying to turn into the ripper; gideon is kind of superfluous wrt that project anyway.

slugbuggy, Sunday, 9 June 2013 14:47 (six years ago) link

also i just wanted gideon to ask chilton "cake or death? well, we're all out of cake" before digging into him.

slugbuggy, Sunday, 9 June 2013 14:51 (six years ago) link

hannibal's conversations with du maurier are really tense:

d: "i know exactly what you are"

h: "out of respect i'm going to deflect that so i don't have to kill you"

d: "noted. wine?"

slugbuggy, Sunday, 9 June 2013 14:58 (six years ago) link

the "fake" ripper that gideon turns into is pretty much identical in personality , mannerisms, and bearing to a "real" ripper that exists in a different and extant diegetic reality, from the perspective of the viewer. i like the notion (that i don't actually believe but am going with anyway) that this is what is fucking with hannibal's sense of identity: not that there is a false ripper going around sullying his reputation, but that at some level gideon's ripper is as real as hannibal's.

seriously i love this idea of ripples throughout the hannibal multiverse

lego maniac cop (latebloomer), Sunday, 9 June 2013 18:25 (six years ago) link

Yeah I dig it too - in a weird way, it also fits in with what the show's doing with the georgia madchen/lass thing I mentioned upthread.

Roz, Sunday, 9 June 2013 19:29 (six years ago) link

Eddie Izzard was a great fit for this role.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Monday, 10 June 2013 04:20 (six years ago) link

i like this show!

the procedural stuff is dreadful (i don't like procedurals). izzard was pretty bad (i don't like izzard). the totem thing was ridiculous.

the menswear for both will and hannibal is amazing. hannibal's ties and collars. will's shirts are never ironed but are quite nice. wtf is going on with will's beard by the way. does he shave just the corners of his jaw?

caek, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 02:11 (six years ago) link

it kinda looks like he pulls it out in clumps instead of shaving, lol

yeah the tailoring is fantastic. and the design elements of Hannibal's office, or Quantico, just *mwah* so gorgeous

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 02:30 (six years ago) link

i like hannibal's office curtains!

caek, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 10:57 (six years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/wAuEMVO.png

dr chiltern's pimp game was so tight this ep

r|t|c, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 11:36 (six years ago) link

xpost omg yes the red & grey vertical stripe

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 12 June 2013 13:43 (six years ago) link

no the stripes are horizontal iirc, which is even more pimp game for curtains

caek, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 16:01 (six years ago) link

http://i.minus.com/ibfixBJuyhcr5y.png

caek, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 16:04 (six years ago) link

they looks like sheffield united scarfs!

caek, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 16:04 (six years ago) link

i really want the exact sports jacket will teaches in btw so if anyone recognizes it plz let me know/send me one (i'm 40R)

caek, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 16:05 (six years ago) link

http://www.fullerroberts.com/

That's Fuller as in Bryan.

Three Word Username, Wednesday, 12 June 2013 16:11 (six years ago) link

Mikkelsen is so freaking good at this role -- the decision to inform his portrayal of Hannibal with normal human emotion, just all out of order and with no outlet for aggression except the most extreme violence really, really works.

Three Word Username, Friday, 14 June 2013 07:19 (six years ago) link

The scene where he convinces Crawford that Will is possibly a killer was great.

Gukbe, Friday, 14 June 2013 07:25 (six years ago) link

That, and the scene where he sincerely apologizes to Abigail for having to kill her are exactly what I'm talking about.

Three Word Username, Friday, 14 June 2013 08:53 (six years ago) link

Yeah the control he shows is SO right for Hannibal. He leaves it up to those little tells, like a small hand gesture, or a muscular tic in the jaw...everything about him is so CAREFUL and so constructed, it's brilliant

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 14 June 2013 16:05 (six years ago) link

so that was a dream sequence at the end, right? did not see that coming.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Saturday, 15 June 2013 03:52 (six years ago) link

i am enjoying the comedic stylings of the price & zeller duo very much. not too ott for the tone of this show, just right. they even stand, walk, and sit as a unit in the same two-shot formation in most of their scenes. also like the contrast in the scene in jack's office where their methodology gets some respect and they're not just the quippy functionaries.

freddie and du maurier were both awesome this episode, esp in relation to jack.

i hope hannibal didn't kill abigail, mostly for the normal reasons i don't want any character to die, but also because she's a better subject for hannibal than will. will's condition makes him kind of compromised as an example of hannibal's moral philosophy vis-a-vis his project of "helping him see what he really is" whereas abigail was always "herself" even if she acted under coercion or manipulation. feel like as a character she has a lot of story left of her own to work through wherever she ends up and not just get subsumed into will's narrative as collateral damage or whatnot.

slugbuggy, Saturday, 15 June 2013 20:53 (six years ago) link

tbh just about everybody in this episode gives jack sass.

slugbuggy, Saturday, 15 June 2013 20:58 (six years ago) link

Haven't seen the most recent episode yet but I have been loving the shit out of this series. Some of the dialogue is pretty cringeworthy and the STOP>>REWIND>>THIS IS MY DESIGN thing is pretty silly but these are minor flaws. I wonder how long they can drag out Will Graham and Hannibals' relationship before Will finds him out as the Chesapeake Ripper.... seems like this show has a built in shelf-life.

Set the controls for the fart of the pun (Viceroy), Saturday, 15 June 2013 21:05 (six years ago) link

Oh and the lighting and set design are amazing. Never before has longpig sweet meats ever been filmed so lovingly.

Set the controls for the fart of the pun (Viceroy), Saturday, 15 June 2013 21:07 (six years ago) link

this last episode was so surreal I felt like *I* had brain fever

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 15 June 2013 21:13 (six years ago) link

I have an interesting (to me at least) theory on that. A lot of people think that Hannibal is luring Will over the darkside and is using the encephalitis-induced psychosis as a means to this end, but something he said to Gillian Anderson's character struck a chord with me -- he was basically saying something like "a bout of madness can lead to clarity" or something to that effect.

My theory is that he is actually trying to cure Will's empathy disorder, but going about in a characteristically unorthodox and unethical way. Like, he takes his role as Will's psychiatrist seriously and is attempting to treat him or at least test a hypothesis in the name of mental health.

Dunno if I'm right but it would make for a more complex dynamic in their relationship than just trying to turn Will into a killer.

Set the controls for the fart of the pun (Viceroy), Saturday, 15 June 2013 22:01 (six years ago) link

Testing a hypothesis is probably closer to the truth, imo.

I do enjoy seeing how his long game is playing out.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 15 June 2013 22:29 (six years ago) link

I read an interview with Mikkelsen where he said that he is playing Hannibal as genuinely liking and caring for Will. That portrayal is only part of the whole package, but this is a complex little bit of entertainment even if it isn't very deep, which is what makes it worthwhile.

Three Word Username, Sunday, 16 June 2013 09:16 (six years ago) link

Interesting. I guess that would make more sense, since the Hannibal he's portraying is very much light & shade

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 16 June 2013 14:50 (six years ago) link

Happy Father's Day, everybody! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHDleRmCEAAWlsW.jpg:large

Three Word Username, Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:34 (six years ago) link

lool O_o

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 16 June 2013 17:42 (six years ago) link

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/04/hannibal-show-bryan-fuller-mads-mikkelsen_n_3017744.html

What I love about Mads's approach to the character is that, in our first meeting, he was adamant that he didn't want to do Hopkins or Cox. He talked about the character not so much as 'Hannibal Lecter the cannibal psychiatrist', but as Satan - this fallen angel who's enamoured with mankind and had an affinity for who we are as people, but was definitely not among us - he was other.

"I thought that was a really cool, interesting approach, because I love science fiction and horror and - not that we'd ever do anything deliberately to suggest this - but having it subtextually play as him being Lucifer felt like a really interesting kink to the series.

"It was slightly different than anything that's been done before and it also gives it a slightly more epic quality if you watch the show through the prism of, 'This is Satan at work, tempting someone with the apple of their psyche'.

r|t|c, Sunday, 16 June 2013 18:47 (six years ago) link

was googling hugh dancy earlier (somehow i had no idea whatsoever he was english O_o) and amusingly wrt hannibal his father is a professor of philosophy known as a leading proponent of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_particularism

r|t|c, Sunday, 16 June 2013 18:52 (six years ago) link

He is one of them actors who is actually worth watching a movie for, just for his presence. If you have not seen it I would recommend checking out his non verbal, enigmatic show in the massively underrated Valhalla Rising.

xp

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Sunday, 16 June 2013 18:53 (six years ago) link

cox is easily still my favourite lecter tho

r|t|c, Sunday, 16 June 2013 18:55 (six years ago) link

I imagine if the 80's Cox had the luxury of an entire series to play Hannibal, he would have nailed it.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Sunday, 16 June 2013 19:02 (six years ago) link

as well. I meant to say.

Damo Suzuki's Parrot, Sunday, 16 June 2013 19:10 (six years ago) link

I think Mads definitely gets more to the heart of how I originally imagined Lecter when I read Red Dragon/Silence in HS, before seeing Hopkins on screen.

Not that I disliked Hopkins, but he seemed a little more theatrical & showy than the buttoned down, tidy, studied version I had come to expect.

TV show makes me v happy

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 16 June 2013 19:23 (six years ago) link

Bryan Fuller just tweeted that although that was actual chicken in the chicken soup Hannibal gave to Will in the last episode, he may have used a people stock. O_o.

Three Word Username, Sunday, 16 June 2013 19:33 (six years ago) link

LOL what a weird detail.

This Is My Design, and I Used Helvetica (Viceroy), Sunday, 16 June 2013 19:34 (six years ago) link

:D

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 16 June 2013 20:07 (six years ago) link

duh hannibal would never waste the bones

r|t|c, Sunday, 16 June 2013 20:26 (six years ago) link

he'd probably have had a specially large le creuset cauldron made to order of course

r|t|c, Sunday, 16 June 2013 20:27 (six years ago) link

So if he used actual chicken does that mean he was being honest when he said he had an ethical butcher?

This Is My Design, and I Used Helvetica (Viceroy), Sunday, 16 June 2013 21:16 (six years ago) link

i loved how black and shiny the chicken was!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 16 June 2013 21:38 (six years ago) link

I'm just glad there's a nice doctor to help people find their inner murderer and coax it to life

mh, Sunday, 16 June 2013 22:34 (six years ago) link

Beautifully done.

Also hard to tell how much Gillian Anderson's character knew what she was eating.

Gukbe, Friday, 21 June 2013 03:05 (six years ago) link

oh god was she eating abigail

i really really want abigail to still be alive and earless somewhere, but

persona insufficiently memorable (reddening), Friday, 21 June 2013 07:16 (six years ago) link

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Hannibal-Postmortem-Bryan-Fuller-1067011.aspx

So, is he punishing Will?

Fuller: I think that everything that Hannibal has done to Will has been a radical, unorthodox form of therapy. I would argue that all of the deeds still come from a place of genuine care. He is trying to help Will see himself better and get to a truer version of who Hannibal thinks Will is. Even setting him up to take the fall for these murders has been an act of therapy, in Hannibal's mind.

like, almost verbatim:

My theory is that he is actually trying to cure Will's empathy disorder, but going about in a characteristically unorthodox and unethical way. Like, he takes his role as Will's psychiatrist seriously and is attempting to treat him or at least test a hypothesis in the name of mental health.

Dunno if I'm right but it would make for a more complex dynamic in their relationship than just trying to turn Will into a killer.

― Set the controls for the fart of the pun (Viceroy), Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:01 PM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

slugbuggy, Friday, 21 June 2013 07:47 (six years ago) link

Hannibal moves from lies to the truth really gently and easily. It's also weird and compelling that he allows himself to show warmth most when people he likes see his murderousness best.

Three Word Username, Friday, 21 June 2013 08:23 (six years ago) link

A very intriguing and original first season, albeit not without its flaws. Even if it wasn't as good as it is I would still watch the next one on the strength of Mads' performance alone. My new favourite actor on TV (sorry Bryan).

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 21 June 2013 13:57 (six years ago) link

did not expect will to be the killer. great twist!

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Friday, 21 June 2013 21:25 (six years ago) link

hahaha lol

This Is My Design, and I Used Helvetica (Viceroy), Friday, 21 June 2013 22:09 (six years ago) link

gawd gillian anderson is so perfect

j., Tuesday, 25 June 2013 06:50 (six years ago) link

lol my finale episode was presented by

https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/1267033998/the-hartford-logo.png

j., Tuesday, 25 June 2013 07:08 (six years ago) link

! lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 13:42 (six years ago) link

I appreciate that Hannibal relates to other human beings, but the deeper the relationship becomes the more it deviates from normal interaction. Really well-acted rapport between Mikkelsen and Anderson.

mh, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 13:48 (six years ago) link

Also hard to tell how much Gillian Anderson's character knew what she was eating.

― Gukbe, Friday, 21 June 2013 04:05 (4 days ago) Bookmark

ya i loved how they were playing on this

r|t|c, Tuesday, 25 June 2013 14:24 (six years ago) link

i still can't get past barfing up the ear in the opening scene

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 25 June 2013 15:20 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

I was in the U.K. during the News Of The World scandal and Rebekah Brooks and I thought, “Wouldn’t it be interesting if Freddie Lounds was more like Rebekah Brooks in her pursuit of journalism?” It felt like that was a good role model for us to take Freddie from.

!!

caek, Saturday, 27 July 2013 04:55 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

This sucker doesn't start season two until 2014 :(

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Friday, 27 September 2013 19:15 (five years ago) link

btw, Amazon has it on disc for a sweet $21.99

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Friday, 27 September 2013 19:20 (five years ago) link

2014 is so far away

;_;

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 28 September 2013 00:48 (five years ago) link

On rewatch I am appreciating the sound design and musical cues even more. My initial viewing was very much influenced by the fact that I knew the nature of Hannibal Lecter's character. This time through, it seems really obvious that Will Graham is the killer. Completely believable that the other characters would think he was.

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Wednesday, 9 October 2013 01:04 (five years ago) link

Yeah tbh I was surprised that Alana Bloom believed Will when he said he was framed.

Viceroy, Wednesday, 9 October 2013 01:31 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

"a meticulously tailored person suit"

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 21:49 (five years ago) link

this show is weird, like, until that episode i felt like it didn't know what game it was playing, then the last fifteen minutes of that one (montage to chirpy classical of hannibal's recipe cards and offal cookery shots, cut to will and the medical examiners staring at series of bodies) was some of the most bravura tv i have seen

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:06 (five years ago) link

bravura is such an annoying emergent cliché to use of anything

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:06 (five years ago) link

Bravura post

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:11 (five years ago) link

i miss this show

why do we have to wait so loooong wtf

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 November 2013 23:55 (five years ago) link

have to get the plating just right

j., Wednesday, 13 November 2013 02:20 (five years ago) link

only a psychopath would mistreat his audience so poorly :(

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 03:19 (five years ago) link

Is this streaming on anything? I slacked off watching it on Hulu because watching stuff on my PC is an unbelievably aggravating experience and Amazon proudly announced they'd negotiated rights to stream it for Prime members, only to drop it a few weeks later...

CAROUSEL! CAROUSEL! (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 13 November 2013 04:34 (five years ago) link

not streaming anywhere cuz nbc is an incompetent network

balls, Wednesday, 13 November 2013 04:38 (five years ago) link

i v much hope that's fan made

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Friday, 15 November 2013 18:15 (five years ago) link

it's actually my christmas card

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 November 2013 19:18 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bb4RN9_IYAA94_S.jpg

Murgatroid, Thursday, 19 December 2013 22:00 (five years ago) link

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

i am excite

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 19 December 2013 22:04 (five years ago) link

!!!

latebloomer, Thursday, 19 December 2013 22:14 (five years ago) link

this show's so much better than it has any right to be

latebloomer, Thursday, 19 December 2013 22:15 (five years ago) link

omg yes

Roz, Friday, 20 December 2013 03:51 (five years ago) link

now that we know will is the killer where is the show going to go

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Friday, 20 December 2013 18:09 (five years ago) link

to infinity + beyond

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 December 2013 01:16 (five years ago) link

or flavortown

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 21 December 2013 01:16 (five years ago) link

i forget, did they actually discover/catch him?

because once he's caught they can probably get a lot of mileage out of reversing the whole visiting-hannibal-in-prison track that was laid down in prior verions

and then hannibal can let him out once he's wound him up

j., Saturday, 21 December 2013 01:29 (five years ago) link

they caught will, yeah, he's in the slammer

mh, Saturday, 21 December 2013 01:56 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

<3

I need to lie down, they're too much

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 January 2014 00:27 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVhl6WgMTGw

Roz, Friday, 24 January 2014 15:01 (five years ago) link

yessssss

Spottie, Friday, 24 January 2014 16:14 (five years ago) link

oh man

j., Friday, 24 January 2014 16:18 (five years ago) link

can.not.wait

That elusive North American wood-ape (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 24 January 2014 18:04 (five years ago) link

SO PUMPED I do not want to wait another month!!

Viceroy, Thursday, 30 January 2014 00:31 (five years ago) link

otm

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 January 2014 02:40 (five years ago) link

Is this streaming on anything? I slacked off watching it on Hulu because watching stuff on my PC is an unbelievably aggravating experience and Amazon proudly announced they'd negotiated rights to stream it for Prime members, only to drop it a few weeks later...

― CAROUSEL! CAROUSEL! (Telephone thing), Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:34 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not streaming anywhere cuz nbc is an incompetent network

― balls, Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:38 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

back on prime, idiots at nbc musta had a rethink

j., Thursday, 30 January 2014 02:51 (five years ago) link

Michael Pitt's gonna be Mason Verger.

Three Word Username, Friday, 31 January 2014 17:56 (five years ago) link

oh shit

mh, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:36 (five years ago) link

hilariously I just learned who played that character in that mediocre film version

mh, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:38 (five years ago) link

omg yay

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 31 January 2014 18:54 (five years ago) link

So I guess Silence is the only one they don't have the rights to?

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Friday, 31 January 2014 19:25 (five years ago) link

They have continued to say that they'll deal with that problem when it arrives, which should be 2 years or so from now.

Three Word Username, Friday, 31 January 2014 19:28 (five years ago) link

Not only that, they've also cast Katharine Isabelle (from Ginger Snaps and American Mary) as Margot Verger, which makes it sound like they might be setting things up for the utterly gonzo batshit elements of Hannibal the novel that didn't make it into the movie.

CAROUSEL! CAROUSEL! (Telephone thing), Friday, 31 January 2014 20:00 (five years ago) link

apparently MGM can't use Hannibal in their Clarice Starling show though? Quite a pickle

Number None, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:59 (five years ago) link

I'm for some reason picturing Clarice as a more psychological Karen Sisco-style show

mh, Friday, 31 January 2014 22:01 (five years ago) link

fucking media conglomerates and their IP rights bullshit. Executives, you're supposed to be smart. Sit the fuck down together and work out some deals so the public gets good shows and you can sell shitloads of adspace.

Viceroy, Saturday, 1 February 2014 03:08 (five years ago) link

I swear TV is run by fucking morons. It's a miracle Hannibal got greenlit.

Viceroy, Saturday, 1 February 2014 03:10 (five years ago) link

and on nbc of all places

j., Saturday, 1 February 2014 03:33 (five years ago) link

Keep in mind that if anyone but Bryan Fuller were running it, it would be complete dogshit.

Simon H., Saturday, 1 February 2014 04:18 (five years ago) link

well as it happens replacing visionary showrunners is something nbc is not afraid of experimenting with

j., Saturday, 1 February 2014 04:24 (five years ago) link

lol 'this is my design', i forgot about that

j., Sunday, 2 February 2014 02:53 (five years ago) link

hahaha! yeah and the weird pendulum/clock graphics.

Viceroy, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 22:54 (five years ago) link

just rescreened s01, it's so good

there are so many places where instead of doing the usual somewhat unaffected, or normally 'emoting' reaction shot in a conversation, hannibal will just be like STILL until it's time to respond, esp. when he's talking to will and will is caught up in some thing he's trying to get out, but when will is with the other investigators often HE'LL be still, but without being affectless, instead like he's just trying to bear continuing to exist until it comes his turn to force out a remark to communicate one of his insights about the case

also, caroline dhavernas, <3 <3 <3, gonna be so bummed when they end up killing her off

j., Thursday, 6 February 2014 00:54 (five years ago) link

caroline and her dresses

j., Thursday, 6 February 2014 00:54 (five years ago) link

Hving her back on a good series as opposed to shlocky Canadian movies has been great. I hope she gets more to do this season.

Simon H., Thursday, 6 February 2014 00:57 (five years ago) link

dresses, and skirts

http://31.media.tumblr.com/72afb00278b3ec8e6457cc6fbf2411ac/tumblr_mqrturDnU01qb718mo5_r1_250.gif

j., Thursday, 6 February 2014 00:58 (five years ago) link

oh man, I ran across the Hannibal gif community on tumblr one day and it's like the sinkhole that never ends

mh, Thursday, 6 February 2014 01:14 (five years ago) link

i got that from the caroline dhavernas gif community so i think i am safe

j., Thursday, 6 February 2014 01:24 (five years ago) link

also, caroline dhavernas, <3 <3 <3, gonna be so bummed when they end up killing her off

Please can we not assume that everyone on thread is au fait with previous interpretations of this story!

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 6 February 2014 02:06 (five years ago) link

why does everyone think they know what's going to happen. like people on this thread thought hannibal was going to be the killer, but it turned out it was will.

eric banana (s.clover), Thursday, 6 February 2014 02:17 (five years ago) link

ay chap, i think i saw the ralph fiennes movie once but i don't know anything abt this other than cultural detritus, i just figure they're gonna kill her

j., Thursday, 6 February 2014 02:24 (five years ago) link

exactly! xp

mh, Thursday, 6 February 2014 02:24 (five years ago) link

Overly explain-y new preview nevertheless has lots of gorgeous and compelling visuals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtDb89c7rWA

Three Word Username, Thursday, 6 February 2014 08:54 (five years ago) link

Watched some of this

Finally a show where every single character talks like dr chase meridian

Internet Alas (wins), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:38 (five years ago) link

hahaha

have a nice blood (mh), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:39 (five years ago) link

Is three episodes enough to know whether I'm going to like this show or should I stick it out?

carl agatha, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 22:31 (five years ago) link

yes and your answer is yes RIGHT

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 23:47 (five years ago) link

I don't know! I find the whole thing preposterous and Will and Abigail to be annoying. Also it's suffering from LOST disease where it seems like people are making the least logical choices just to advance the plot. Also it's gross! The mushroom people! Gah.

All of that could even out though and it's pretty and I really want to like it.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 00:58 (five years ago) link

Also it's gross! The mushroom people! Gah.

This is clearly a plus point.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 01:38 (five years ago) link

you're right before a couple of monster of the week type episodes, before the main story really rolls in

have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 02:18 (five years ago) link

Eeeeeee the people in the motel with the back skin wings how was this on broadcast TV?

carl agatha, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 02:36 (five years ago) link

suck it up, agatha...you're almost to the good stuff :D

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 03:04 (five years ago) link

mushroom people was the best and totally grossed me out for a little bit

Spottie, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 03:06 (five years ago) link

yeah I kinda dug mushroom ppl too. so gross.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 03:08 (five years ago) link

the angel ppl one was cool for visuals, had a bit of a stephen king feel to it

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 03:08 (five years ago) link

the angel one was so horrifying i had the same "how did the network allow this" reaction.

eric banana (s.clover), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 03:20 (five years ago) link

i got confused by the scheduling and thought the angel one was the one they pulled because 0_O but apparently it was the kids-killing-kids one for reasons of timeliness

j., Wednesday, 19 February 2014 03:31 (five years ago) link

The monster of the week thing is what bugs me. Not that I need a story arc - I just have trouble accepting that there are so many horrific serial killers. And that Will just closes his eyes and uses the laser windshield wiper in his brain and knows exactly what happened.* And I hate how they all do Forensic Science in a room together like it's an Olympics of the Mind practice meet but with hideously butchered corpses.

*I've been watching a lot of OG Law & Order lately and it's ruining magic.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 04:06 (five years ago) link

that whole csi monsters unit thing goes away like, almost immediately after crazy angel ppl

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 04:18 (five years ago) link

It's too bad, series needs more Scott Thompson

have a nice blood (mh), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 04:39 (five years ago) link

I find the whole thing preposterous

May I introduce u to a man named Thomas Harris

Internet Alas (wins), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 09:22 (five years ago) link

that whole csi monsters unit thing goes away like, almost immediately after crazy angel ppl

Heartening! Okay. I'm on board and feeling positive about it.

I will miss Scott Thompson, though.

carl agatha, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 11:45 (five years ago) link

There definitely is unbelievably many serial-killers in this show, but that's part of the world. It's like, the most depressing series ever, it makes me cry and gives me anxiety issues. And yet I love it.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 19 February 2014 22:55 (five years ago) link

aw <3

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 19 February 2014 23:04 (five years ago) link

OKAY I am fully on board with this show.

carl agatha, Saturday, 22 February 2014 02:52 (five years ago) link

Oh Franklin... :(

carl agatha, Saturday, 22 February 2014 02:56 (five years ago) link

hah! yeeeah...

have a nice blood (mh), Saturday, 22 February 2014 03:19 (five years ago) link

;_;

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 22 February 2014 03:20 (five years ago) link

Can one of the mega-fans of this show provide me with a brief precis of the state of play as of the end of season one? I seem to have have forgotten everything except the mushroom people, the tower of corpses, and Eddie Izzard.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 22 February 2014 03:22 (five years ago) link

DO NOT LISTEN TO STERL

j., Saturday, 22 February 2014 03:27 (five years ago) link

I sort of remember that Will's been arrested for the murders that Hannibal probably did, and he himself thinks he did them right? And everyone else thinks he did, but maybe not really? And then there's the daughter of that guy he killed knocking around who maybe killed some people too? It's a complicated show.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 22 February 2014 03:28 (five years ago) link

SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY

Nah, he spends most of the last few episodes thinking he's responsible, but by the very end he knows what's up. Abigail's dead, though; Hannibal feeds her to his psychiatrist.

OKAY THE SPOILERS ARE OVER NOW

CAROUSEL! CAROUSEL! (Telephone thing), Saturday, 22 February 2014 03:37 (five years ago) link

Yeah I probably need to rewatch the whole thing before S2 starts.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 22 February 2014 03:42 (five years ago) link

You have one week!

Viceroy, Saturday, 22 February 2014 03:49 (five years ago) link

Abigail... sigh...

Frederik B, Saturday, 22 February 2014 08:26 (five years ago) link

heard nothing but good things about this, guess I need to binge watch

PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 22 February 2014 08:39 (five years ago) link

It took about 3 or 4 eps but once it hits it's stride there's really no other show like on it network tv.

faith driven consumer (latebloomer), Sunday, 23 February 2014 05:09 (five years ago) link

Sound and food design alone elevate it above some others

have a nice blood (mh), Sunday, 23 February 2014 17:20 (five years ago) link

also menswear

caek, Sunday, 23 February 2014 18:07 (five years ago) link

also interior decorating

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 23 February 2014 18:14 (five years ago) link

caek vmic

have a nice blood (mh), Sunday, 23 February 2014 18:26 (five years ago) link

man those neckties

effervescent (soda), Sunday, 23 February 2014 19:46 (five years ago) link

So stoked for tonight!

Survivalist Compound Row (B.L.A.M.), Friday, 28 February 2014 22:07 (five years ago) link

this show is very silly. watched four episodes and i am not in. tone is so odd, there are some things that are working for me and so many that are not.

festival culture (Jordan), Friday, 28 February 2014 22:22 (five years ago) link

Wait, what does Gillian Anderson's character know about Hannibal? I didn't revisit S1 so I've forgotten.

Very enjoyable premiere so far.

Murgatroid, Saturday, 1 March 2014 03:44 (five years ago) link

i think she… only knows what she could surmise as his therapist? but she sometimes acts like she saw accurately through his person-mask, beyond just realizing that it was one?

j., Saturday, 1 March 2014 03:50 (five years ago) link

I ask because she was like, "You're putting me in the difficult position of lying about you", and I was like, wait, she knows? What does she know?

Murgatroid, Saturday, 1 March 2014 04:01 (five years ago) link

oh, i forget, she's aware of the inappropriateness of his patient relationships, and i think about someone she knew he was with (will?) when she was asked about it by the feds, though she kept it quiet just on general principle / concern for hannibal?

j., Saturday, 1 March 2014 04:06 (five years ago) link

Yeah, I think that's it. Thanks.

Murgatroid, Saturday, 1 March 2014 04:17 (five years ago) link

Man the sound design on this show is so unsettling

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Saturday, 1 March 2014 06:56 (five years ago) link

agh this show is so grossss.

didn't hannibal save gillian anderson from a violent patient before, under peculiar circumstances? jack tried to question her about something that she wouldn't disclose last season iirc.

reddening, Saturday, 1 March 2014 07:08 (five years ago) link

Yeah I think they intimated that he did something very twisted to the patient that attacked her

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Saturday, 1 March 2014 07:27 (five years ago) link

omg that fight

j., Saturday, 1 March 2014 14:49 (five years ago) link

Fuller doing an episode walkthrough every week it seems: http://www.avclub.com/article/bryan-fuller-walks-us-through-second-season-premie-201684

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Sunday, 2 March 2014 02:11 (five years ago) link

"I never feel guilty about eating anything."

have a nice blood (mh), Sunday, 2 March 2014 20:14 (five years ago) link

Why do I watch this? It's nauseating and ridiculous.

painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Tuesday, 4 March 2014 23:56 (five years ago) link

TO FIND OUT WHO THE RIPPER IS

j., Tuesday, 4 March 2014 23:59 (five years ago) link

you watch this because part of you still loves yourself

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Wednesday, 5 March 2014 00:12 (five years ago) link

i just love plating

j., Wednesday, 5 March 2014 00:17 (five years ago) link

Argh, I'm not easily disturbed by gore and the like but that intro. How is a show this graphic on network TV.

Murgatroid, Saturday, 8 March 2014 03:11 (five years ago) link

nbc barely counts as a network tbf

Clay, Saturday, 8 March 2014 03:13 (five years ago) link

The Following was renewed for a third season and I'll be upset if that awful piece of shit survives and this serial killer show doesn't get a third season.

Murgatroid, Saturday, 8 March 2014 04:06 (five years ago) link

I felt pretty queasy.

Guessing Gillian had to go because of that other show she's about to be on + other commitments. Loved the ambiguity going on at the end of last season so it feels like an abrupt shift but her scene with Will was good so all is forgiven.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Saturday, 8 March 2014 04:07 (five years ago) link

Gillian Anderson's scenes have been amazing these past two episodes but they didn't really advance the plot in any way except to allude to some past incident(s) and if she's gone for good, I don't even know why they bothered to bring her back this season at all. Of course, if she's not gone, she can come back to give us some closure on what she and Hannibal allude to all the time but otherwise, it was all a bit pointless (though a well-acted kind of pointlessness, I guess).

Murgatroid, Saturday, 8 March 2014 04:35 (five years ago) link

UGH SO GROSS

reddening, Saturday, 8 March 2014 06:22 (five years ago) link

That coldopen, sweet merciful Christ. They was basically The Human Centipede minus the anal fixation but with much more convincing effects. (But no nudity, 'cause heaven forbid.)

Simon H., Saturday, 8 March 2014 07:09 (five years ago) link

argh *cold open

Simon H., Saturday, 8 March 2014 07:10 (five years ago) link

I do like how the show is taking its time (in this case, at least three episodes) to get Will out of prison. I feel like most other shows would have freed him within the first episode of the new season.

Murgatroid, Saturday, 8 March 2014 07:29 (five years ago) link

xp my first inclination was to ask WHY did they have to show the flesh ripping -- why couldn't they just cut away and let the sound effects convey the horror? but then i had to admit it really wouldn't pack the same wallop, and seeing how much he suffered made me want him to survive the chase scene SO BADLY.

reddening, Saturday, 8 March 2014 07:40 (five years ago) link

"You're Hannibal Lecter's therapist. What's that like?"

have a nice blood (mh), Saturday, 8 March 2014 15:12 (five years ago) link

-the flesh rips on a beat where you're not expecting it! i really liked that
-will is going to be in prison all series, i sort of hope

-it wd seem a weird conclusion to draw that anderson isn't going to be back; her withdrawal seems too precisely delimited for that

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 8 March 2014 23:37 (five years ago) link

--the Promotional Consideration Furnished By Apple stuff felt really intrusive

--everyone acts with their shoulders, in this show. the exact limits to will's slump, the exact set of the investigator's. hannibal a sort of curious-animal thing. fishburne in his chair talking to (an investigator? his therapist?) -- one wonders if fuller is going around going 'no, like this, see'

--one enjoys beverly katz getting to do something, instigate things; it's fun that people's roles in the action have shifted so much, as opposed to their merely interpersonal dynamics

--for a second i was worried they wouldn't bother to explain the mural's ~symbolism~ but, oh, no

--this episode had a really bad script; characters explaining the last episode and their motivations to each other, all the time: the scene with katz and the director maybe the worst, though i did like:

(while not sitting in chair) "they've even ordered a psych eval to determine my comptentency to sit in this chair"

"what do you want me to do?"

(as he sits down) "... we didn't have this conversation"

--hannibal's plastic suit is interesting: like, it now functions as sinister comedy, whereas if we'd not been built to it it would look purely ridiculous (this is the third time we've seen it, right, and the first full shot?)

--"i love your work" !!!

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 8 March 2014 23:41 (five years ago) link

hannibal still has to kill her obv xp re: anderson

Clay, Saturday, 8 March 2014 23:41 (five years ago) link

It should be against the law to kill a Gillian Anderson character. My TV kinda sucks - what did Hannibal pick up at her place?

Murgatroid, Saturday, 8 March 2014 23:56 (five years ago) link

Bottle of perfume, I think.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Sunday, 9 March 2014 01:00 (five years ago) link

that cold open was excruciating, jezus

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 9 March 2014 08:45 (five years ago) link

also pretty sure i am going to hell for salivating over human leg osso bucco but goddamn the end result looked ridic appetizing

i hate/love this show

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 9 March 2014 08:47 (five years ago) link

Ha ha! It looked so much more appertising than his usual poncy nouvelle cuisine crap.

xelab, Sunday, 9 March 2014 11:58 (five years ago) link

idk if that's an apt summary of what he cooks, you know

i was going to make osso bucco next weekend but i just, i don't know anymore

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 9 March 2014 12:23 (five years ago) link

also i feel like it was a shame he didn't make risotto milanese with it because i felt deprived of squeamish moments involving marrow

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 9 March 2014 12:24 (five years ago) link

the musical cue with the leg, though! this show.

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 9 March 2014 12:24 (five years ago) link

does he ever just have a sandwich

j., Sunday, 9 March 2014 13:03 (five years ago) link

i feel like the 'protein scramble' from ep one or two was meant to establish that he also ate food without napkins and silverware, yes

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 9 March 2014 14:16 (five years ago) link

he was on the road there

coulda just eaten a gas station burrito but no, he's very particular about what he puts into his body

sandwiches are nice, you can put them into your body

j., Sunday, 9 March 2014 14:26 (five years ago) link

i love the food design etc in this show. everything makes me hungry, even when they show what/who is in the dish lol. jose andres is doing awesome work consulting for this show

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 9 March 2014 14:42 (five years ago) link

This continues to be ludicrous and ravishing in equal measures. It would have to go pretty far down the shitter for me not to continue watching for the art direction and Mikkelsen.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 12 March 2014 00:41 (five years ago) link

There was Osse Bucco in the cafeteria today. It damn near made me sick. Why do I watch this show?

Oh yeah, because it's the best show on tv...

Frederik B, Thursday, 13 March 2014 13:51 (five years ago) link

lol oh no :/

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 13 March 2014 14:05 (five years ago) link

wow g. anderson was skeeered

c. nixon seems… off

j., Friday, 14 March 2014 23:27 (five years ago) link

This show is so abstractly pretty I had no problem eating a roast chicken dinner during the "Ooh he's making angels!" bits (ages ago for you guys prob, I live in NZ)

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Saturday, 15 March 2014 00:16 (five years ago) link

Was Cynthia Nixon's character aware of the judge's murder beforehand? It looked like she was surprised for a split second that the judge was hung with his heart and brain out on display and then right after went right into chastising Jack for defending Will. She must be used to that sort of display!

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Saturday, 15 March 2014 03:03 (five years ago) link

So has anyone noticed the sheer glee they're having in putting Hannibal Lecter's dialogue from the movies in Will's mouth this season? "You want to know how he's choosing them" (from Manhunter), "[Dr. Lecter] doesn't want me dwelling on anything morbid" (from Silence), and I noticed a third one but it's slipped my mind at the moment.

CAROUSEL! CAROUSEL! (Telephone thing), Saturday, 15 March 2014 05:06 (five years ago) link

Favorite moment: Hannibal entering the courtroom to testify, shot from angles where his face is obscured by the backlight. He really looked like a demon in those shots.

Also, I have no idea who is actually comitting the gun-murders. I mean, I have a theory, as every time I've had doubts on who has killed whom, it's always been Hannibal. But I constantly think 'well, maybe there's something else going on, he seemed so sad when he discussed the case with Will...'

Frederik B, Sunday, 16 March 2014 16:08 (five years ago) link

it's Hannibal.

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Sunday, 16 March 2014 17:21 (five years ago) link

man when is someone gonna kill dr. chilton already

j., Monday, 17 March 2014 01:32 (five years ago) link

I like how they've expanded and shuffled the backstory of the books around but I doubt they're gonna stray from the broad strokes and kill a character like Chilton early.

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 17 March 2014 01:37 (five years ago) link

What an unwieldy sentence

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 17 March 2014 01:37 (five years ago) link

I keep thinking how great it'd be if he died, as well.

have a nice blood (mh), Monday, 17 March 2014 01:44 (five years ago) link

No, please don't kill Raul Esparza. Mmm.

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Monday, 17 March 2014 03:27 (five years ago) link

It's difficult, as I really like the character on the show. He's just such an obnoxious presence that you want _something_ bad to happen to him.

have a nice blood (mh), Monday, 17 March 2014 14:04 (five years ago) link

hee hee, he's already had a serial killer pull his own organs out of him while he consciously, helplessly looks on, and yet i agree it WASN'T ENOUGH.

reddening, Monday, 17 March 2014 17:30 (five years ago) link

he bounced back from that pretty fast, indicates questionable personality

j., Monday, 17 March 2014 17:34 (five years ago) link

He's a ridiculous character, he was like a Bond villain sitting in the dock!

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 02:33 (five years ago) link

The use of the "Della sua pace" aria from Don Giovanni was seriously badass, and one of the only uses of opera in pop culture I've seen that actually pays attention to the libretto. Respect.

Three Word Username, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 09:31 (five years ago) link

"My peace depends on hers/What pleases her gives me life/What grieves her kills me"

Three Word Username, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 09:39 (five years ago) link

Well, that ending was unbearably tense. I'll be needing next week's episode now. Also, that acupuncture scene, oof.

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Saturday, 22 March 2014 03:06 (five years ago) link

I really, really, really hope Beverly isn't dead.

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Saturday, 22 March 2014 03:10 (five years ago) link

She's dead and digested.

carl agatha, Saturday, 22 March 2014 03:14 (five years ago) link

That was super intense, very Silence of the Lambs-esque when Beverly was downstairs with the gun. Poor Will. Poor Bella. Poor Beverly.

carl agatha, Saturday, 22 March 2014 03:17 (five years ago) link

I can't think of a realistic scenario in which she'd get out alive.

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Saturday, 22 March 2014 03:19 (five years ago) link

it's Hannibal.

― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Sunday, 16 March 2014 17:21 (6 days ago) Permalink

Maybe not.

MV, Saturday, 22 March 2014 03:39 (five years ago) link

Raul Esparza did excellent work yet again as Chilton in tonight's episode. He brings just the perfect amount of "camp" to the character. I continue to get not people's qualms about him. That said, I do find him to be incredibly hot so maybe that's blinding me to any weaknesses.

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Saturday, 22 March 2014 04:08 (five years ago) link

*not get

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Saturday, 22 March 2014 04:08 (five years ago) link

:(

I guess I was wrong about the copycat!

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Saturday, 22 March 2014 11:23 (five years ago) link

human beehive was awesome

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 22 March 2014 17:27 (five years ago) link

personal weird theory: chilton is like the non-comedic realization of Jim Rash's Dean character in Community

anyhoo, back from crazytown:

this Chilton is better than the movie version, maybe even better than the book ever suggested, all those subtle layers of cowardice greed ambition curiosity, he's SO good, i love watching him

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 22 March 2014 17:33 (five years ago) link

gaaah that's twice in three months I have seen an icepick lobotomy....never gets easier SO FUCKED UP UGH UGH UGH

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 22 March 2014 17:46 (five years ago) link

Beverlyyyyyy :( :( :(

the scenes with Will recovering his memories, with the strobe lights and Hannibal-melty face, were some deeply unsettling shit. Also, when Hannibal turned his head to address Will. Mads Mikkelsen can be really terrifying just making eye contact.

Roz, Sunday, 23 March 2014 06:20 (five years ago) link

yeah totally!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 23 March 2014 06:37 (five years ago) link

should we poll how he will cook beverly y/n

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 23 March 2014 06:37 (five years ago) link

when that Fuller interview was linked above and "spoilers" were mentioned I was all "oh come on the gun doesn't shoot up through the dining room floor if she survived it's obvious no spoilers here lol" but then yeah there are proper fucking spoilers which would make that poll unfair.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Sunday, 23 March 2014 12:30 (five years ago) link

Yeah, the gun shooting up through the floor really answered what happened. But in a subtle way. This show is in some ways pretty subtle, I've been trying to get some people into it, and they complain about Hannibal not doing anything in the first episodes, and I'm like 'wait, he killed dozens of people in the background?' but they don't really catch it.

Frederik B, Sunday, 23 March 2014 17:27 (five years ago) link

what do you guys think Beverly was looking at?

have a nice blood (mh), Sunday, 23 March 2014 19:07 (five years ago) link

he has a huge Beetlejuice-esque scale model of the town in his basement

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 23 March 2014 19:21 (five years ago) link

Abigail.

Frederik B, Sunday, 23 March 2014 19:28 (five years ago) link

skin suits hanging on coat hangers

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 23 March 2014 20:17 (five years ago) link

A Will suit made out of parts of victims.

Three Word Username, Monday, 24 March 2014 09:22 (five years ago) link

Abigail a possibility. Also maybe storage for that FBI person who disappeared years earlier?

have a nice blood (mh), Monday, 24 March 2014 14:00 (five years ago) link

Abigail is ok, she agreed to let Hannibal cut of her ear to help with some complicated plan which will in the end help Will Graham understand himself better. Hannibal knew that Beverly would misunderstand, so he had to attack her to get rid of her gun. After the episode ended he explained everything and they all laughed and had pancakes. In next weeks episode all will be revealed, and they'll all live happily ever after. Including Jack's wife. It's a miracle!

Frederik B, Monday, 24 March 2014 14:06 (five years ago) link

Hettienne Park, who plays Beverly, wrote this incredibly thoughtful blog post about her character and the accusations of racism/sexism that Bryan Fuller is getting for killing off Bev: http://yellowbird66.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/racism-sexism-and-hannibal-eat-the-rude/

<3 her so much now

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 21:34 (five years ago) link

well THIS just doesn't sound like it has anything to do with THIS show

Don’t forget this is network television, not cable. In order to sell those advertising dollars and survive, they want to appeal to the masses of Middle America.

j., Tuesday, 25 March 2014 21:38 (five years ago) link

finally caught up with this season. i think maybe hannibal was planning a surprise welcome home party for will if he was released, and that's what beverly found?

eric banana (s.clover), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 04:56 (five years ago) link

how could I have not seen it?

have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 13:59 (five years ago) link

They followed up an episode which featured the death of a regular with their most darkly funny episode yet (mostly due to Eddie Izzard, probably).

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Saturday, 29 March 2014 03:20 (five years ago) link

"you're a great friend, hannibal"

kinda true, mostly not

slugbuggy, Saturday, 29 March 2014 11:06 (five years ago) link

damn who on this show is NOT a murderer

j., Saturday, 29 March 2014 23:08 (five years ago) link

Seeing Beverly like that was xtremely distressing (>_<) I was a bit annoyed with the last act because we know from the first ep that he is not in genuine peril.

xelab, Saturday, 29 March 2014 23:47 (five years ago) link

and nevertheless

j., Saturday, 29 March 2014 23:50 (five years ago) link

Oh yeah still the best series right now.

xelab, Saturday, 29 March 2014 23:54 (five years ago) link

Seeing Beverly like that was xtremely distressing (>_<) I was a bit annoyed with the last act because we know from the first ep that he is not in genuine peril.

― xelab, Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:47 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well also the show is called hannibal and they can't kill the hero of the show.

eric banana (s.clover), Saturday, 29 March 2014 23:55 (five years ago) link

has there been any hint of their plans post-capture-wise, if it comes to that? i think one of the hardest things for them to do would be to put hannibal in the asylum for a season, since that would go against basically their whole setup and force them to make it all ~~~psychological~~~ (plus put them pretty close to being back in the book/film territory). lesser shows in that circumstance basically just break the baddie out as soon as possible.

j., Saturday, 29 March 2014 23:58 (five years ago) link

well also the show is called hannibal and they can't kill the hero of the show.

Why do you definitively know this ain't the last series?

xelab, Sunday, 30 March 2014 00:45 (five years ago) link

because that would be disappointing and tv can't be disappointing

j., Sunday, 30 March 2014 01:02 (five years ago) link

I hope I am wrong but I think this will get pumped for the likes of Believe to survive, that is depressing.

xelab, Sunday, 30 March 2014 01:18 (five years ago) link

I hope NBC will keep this around for prestige purposes (it's quite critically acclaimed now, I think), like how Geffen kept Sonic Youth signed despite them not selling shit compared to their label peers. Hannibal is the Sonic Youth of network TV.

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Sunday, 30 March 2014 01:47 (five years ago) link

Apparently the Euro co-financing helps it out, too.

Simon H., Sunday, 30 March 2014 03:08 (five years ago) link

Third season will be Red Dragon xpost

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Sunday, 30 March 2014 03:45 (five years ago) link

..
Hannibal would have been a goner last year - but it was saved because its almost entirely paid for by its international co-production status, with NBC having very little financial risk (if any) involved. That, capped off by the glowing reviews, could (and hopefully will) once more bring Dr. Lecter back. If NBC does cancel it, there's also hope that another outlet picks it up, which was in the cards last year when the show was in the same precarious situation.

xelab, Sunday, 30 March 2014 17:18 (five years ago) link

I'm not so hot on this season so far. It's insanely beautiful and the score is amazing, but I'm less and less involved in the narrative. The turn with Will this week was dispiriting.

Simon H., Sunday, 30 March 2014 17:32 (five years ago) link

I'm way more into the show this season, now that they've put the overarching plot at the forefront and put the serial killer of the week stuff as support.

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Sunday, 30 March 2014 17:39 (five years ago) link

so this season the arc is going to be hints about who killed beverly?

don't like how they've kept this chesapeake ripper thing going so long and we still have no idea who it is -- hope the series doesn't founder because the audience gets tired of not knowing.

eric banana (s.clover), Sunday, 30 March 2014 17:53 (five years ago) link

uh the chesapeake ripper is hannibal

Clay, Sunday, 30 March 2014 17:57 (five years ago) link

they already suggested will is the ripper, and now they seem to be saying maybe he isn't. pulling the same twist twice with hannibal seems like it would be lazy writing imho

eric banana (s.clover), Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:00 (five years ago) link

also mads is a fan favorite, it would really break a lot of hearts :-(

eric banana (s.clover), Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:04 (five years ago) link

canonically speaking hannibal is known as the chesapeake ripper tho. i mean spoiler alert i guess but

Clay, Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:07 (five years ago) link

like in red dragon whatever will graham's level of public acknowledgement is attained by having caught 'hannibal the cannibal' also known as 'the chesapeake ripper'

or cf the hannibal lecter wikipedia page

Nickname(s) Hannibal the Cannibal
The Chesapeake Ripper

i mean also whenever jack considers the ripper he sees the hannibal-as-stag figure?

Clay, Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:10 (five years ago) link

i haven't read the books or seen the movies so i don't know what canon you're talking about, do you think this is like a comic book with continuity geeks or something

eric banana (s.clover), Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:11 (five years ago) link

xpost stop trying to spoil the show!

eric banana (s.clover), Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:11 (five years ago) link

yes

Clay, Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:11 (five years ago) link

the show is extremely upfront with hannibal being the ripper imo?

Clay, Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:11 (five years ago) link

i mean will says it over and over again cassandra-like

Clay, Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:12 (five years ago) link

sorry i ruined the show everybody but the guy who eats people is the bad guy

Clay, Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:12 (five years ago) link

whatever, stop insisting your weird fanfic is canon

eric banana (s.clover), Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:12 (five years ago) link

my weird fanfic aka the novels written 30 years ago

Clay, Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:14 (five years ago) link

um clay otm - i think the show is pretty obvious with the fact that Hannibal is the Chesapeake Ripper? Although he's usually seen committing copycat kills (Garrett Jacob Hobbs, the mural artist, etc) for his own purposes (to frame Will, his own amusement, testing a hypothesis etc.).

Roz, Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:15 (five years ago) link

don't like how they've kept this chesapeake ripper thing going so long and we still have no idea who it is -- hope the series doesn't founder because the audience gets tired of not knowing.

― eric banana (s.clover), Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:53 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://netdna.tvovermind.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Hannibal-GIFs-6.gif

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:18 (five years ago) link

what are you talking about? will killed garrett jacob hobbs, not hannibal, are we even watching the same show.

eric banana (s.clover), Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:18 (five years ago) link

xpost sigh. Hannibal killed that one girl (whose brother Abigail killed) as a 'copycat' murder of Garrett Jacob Hobbs, to help Will solve the case. that's what i meant by copycat kill.

And he killed the mural artist, in the style of the mural artist... but left enough of his own mark (taking the organs) for Beverly to figure that this was the work of the Chesapeake Ripper - the guy who steals vital organs from his victims as trophies.

Roz, Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:29 (five years ago) link

also hannibalgifs otm

Roz, Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:30 (five years ago) link

we don't know who killed that other girl -- at one point the show suggested it was will, like acting unconsciously?

i dont get why everyone has to make up weird theories about this show instead of just enjoying the ride

eric banana (s.clover), Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:31 (five years ago) link

sterl, your dedication to your role is finally paying off

j., Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:37 (five years ago) link

idk maybe i am wrong and hannibal is simply a kindly psychologist

Clay, Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:38 (five years ago) link

now sterl's got you questioning your own mind

clay, here, i want you to draw a clock

j., Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:39 (five years ago) link

http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.16107434.5118/flat,550x550,075,f.u2.jpg

does this look right doc i trust u

Clay, Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:40 (five years ago) link

I feel like this thread is gaslighting me.

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Sunday, 30 March 2014 18:45 (five years ago) link

What thread?

MV, Sunday, 30 March 2014 19:39 (five years ago) link

I like how Hannibal pounds his chest and dances funny.

MV, Sunday, 30 March 2014 19:41 (five years ago) link

lol sterling

have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Sunday, 30 March 2014 19:49 (five years ago) link

this Ripper fellow is a much more interesting artist than Damien Hirst, imo

have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Sunday, 30 March 2014 19:50 (five years ago) link

http://31.media.tumblr.com/013538aaa1fbc71d225f1c48e4835450/tumblr_n36zcafNSp1rjp8eoo1_500.gif

l-r: me, every sterl post itt

reddening, Sunday, 30 March 2014 21:39 (five years ago) link

lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 30 March 2014 22:39 (five years ago) link

Hulu has a trailer today for a new show called "In the Kitchen with Hannibal"

have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 23:20 (five years ago) link

damn who on this show is NOT a murderer

― j., Saturday, March 29, 2014 11:08 PM

Kind of encapsulates my issues with the show TBH.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 3 April 2014 01:09 (five years ago) link

soooo the reveal at the end of this episode is exactly what I thought Beverly saw in Hannibal's basement

have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Saturday, 5 April 2014 03:06 (five years ago) link

That was quite an episode of prime time broadcast TV. o_0

carl agatha, Saturday, 5 April 2014 03:18 (five years ago) link

Don't get me wrong I loved it but dag.

carl agatha, Saturday, 5 April 2014 03:18 (five years ago) link

I hear you, carl. Also: Alana, nooooooooo

have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Saturday, 5 April 2014 03:27 (five years ago) link

I knowwwwwwww

Also how dope was her green coat?

carl agatha, Saturday, 5 April 2014 03:28 (five years ago) link

I want Hannibal's bluish patterned shirt

have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Saturday, 5 April 2014 03:29 (five years ago) link

The one he was wearing while preparing her dinner and chatting her up, it was nice. I was thinking how it'd work with some pants I have.

have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Saturday, 5 April 2014 03:30 (five years ago) link

They're really having a lot of fun with Chilton this season aren't they?

Great episode. This show is so good right now.

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Saturday, 5 April 2014 06:54 (five years ago) link

lol'd pretty hard at Hannibal's wink.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Saturday, 5 April 2014 08:02 (five years ago) link

Yeah I cackled quite a few times during this ep

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Saturday, 5 April 2014 08:08 (five years ago) link

hannibal in bed with alana, reaching over like he was going to touch her tenderly, but instead snapping in her ear to make sure she was unconscious -- just a tiny thing but SO chilling to me.

reddening, Saturday, 5 April 2014 09:12 (five years ago) link

IN WHAT

j., Saturday, 5 April 2014 12:57 (five years ago) link

Amazed how consistently GREAT this series has been since it began.

That elusive North American wood-ape (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 5 April 2014 19:15 (five years ago) link

This series is such an exquisitely crafted work of hideous beauty, long may it continue.

Oh god seeing Hannibal in bed with Alana (>_<)

xelab, Saturday, 5 April 2014 20:58 (five years ago) link

So can we cut it out with the trolling about whether Hannibal is the ripper or not after this episode? b/c that shit from upthread has been driving me nuts all week.

Clay, Sunday, 6 April 2014 10:00 (five years ago) link

Spoken like a true Protestant.

MV, Sunday, 6 April 2014 13:35 (five years ago) link

How could he be the ripper? He's a trusted psychiatrist.

have a nice blood/orange bitters cocktail (mh), Sunday, 6 April 2014 14:41 (five years ago) link

hannibal truthers get your own thread

reddening, Sunday, 6 April 2014 14:49 (five years ago) link

Now we know directly threatening Madshannibal is going to be just as amazing as apparently harmless Dr. Madslecter. Also holy crap what a lot of meat. Only thing I didn't love was all the digital reverb on the harpsichord, but since the used a real one with a real player I suppose I shouldn't complain too much.

Three Word Username, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 10:21 (five years ago) link

Janice Poon, the show's food stylist, has a fantastic blog about putting together the meals featured on the show. - http://janicepoonart.blogspot.com/2014/04/episode-6-futamono.html

carl agatha, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:47 (five years ago) link

cf great real names

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 20:08 (five years ago) link

wow so all the hannibal/alana shippers finally get some fanservice. what should we call the pair? hanlana? alannibal?

wonder where gideon is and why he's having such weird hallucinations.

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Thursday, 10 April 2014 19:09 (five years ago) link

no alannibal at all this episode!

now that we know gideon was the ripper (makes a lot of sense, in retrospect. don't know how i didn't see it) then is the show just going to introduce a new big bad soon?

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Sunday, 13 April 2014 01:49 (five years ago) link

you mean Chilton. I don't know how you could make such a grievous oversight.

a strange man (mh), Sunday, 13 April 2014 02:06 (five years ago) link

you're right! i usually pay much more attention to the details in this show.

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Sunday, 13 April 2014 02:14 (five years ago) link

Still that thing, huh

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Sunday, 13 April 2014 04:15 (five years ago) link

i like will's uh grimly posi attitude once they spring him from the criminally insane joint

j., Wednesday, 16 April 2014 22:44 (five years ago) link

Chlumsky was amazing last week. Still kinda meh on the show lately, though.

Simon H., Wednesday, 16 April 2014 23:37 (five years ago) link

dang, this is the Verger family intro, isn't it?

a strange man (mh), Saturday, 19 April 2014 02:37 (five years ago) link

Is you social worker in that horse?

^ best line of the show

carl agatha, Saturday, 19 April 2014 11:10 (five years ago) link

Jeremy Davies was a treat

a strange man (mh), Saturday, 19 April 2014 22:37 (five years ago) link

He is really turning into a stunning character actor, really enjoyed him in this.

Can we just: inside A HORSE
O_O

the bird reveal was awesome

Hats off to whoever's thinking up these crazy scenarios

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 19 April 2014 22:49 (five years ago) link

The bird that flew out was a starling, FYI.

carl agatha, Saturday, 19 April 2014 23:47 (five years ago) link

and the shot of hannibal with the lamb

jbn, Sunday, 20 April 2014 00:58 (five years ago) link

yes

also if i ever break my arm I will sport a handcrafted leather sling like that fancy lady

who was she anyway?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 20 April 2014 01:16 (five years ago) link

I'm think she's mason verger's sister

jbn, Sunday, 20 April 2014 01:33 (five years ago) link

oh of course

can't wait for him to show up - michael pitt's playing him <3

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 20 April 2014 01:41 (five years ago) link

~~ alanabial ~~

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Sunday, 20 April 2014 15:39 (five years ago) link

glad to see they retained mason verger's human tears martinis.

slam dunk, Sunday, 20 April 2014 22:32 (five years ago) link

I wonder how far they're gonna go with Mason Verger. He's such a repugnant character in the book: woman beater, sadist, rapist, child molester. The worst. It'll be great to see him lose his face.

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Monday, 21 April 2014 00:48 (five years ago) link

Count on them doing something even nastier.

Simon H., Monday, 21 April 2014 00:50 (five years ago) link

:D

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 21 April 2014 01:00 (five years ago) link

thankfully Fuller didn't go with the novel's version of Margot:

In the novel, she’s a very masculine character, who has had years of steroid abuse and is a lesbian, and it was unclear to me in the novel whether she was either transgender or a lesbian as a result of those horrible abuses and that horrible childhood and [Beat.] that’s not how transgenderism or homosexuality works. So I didn’t want to contribute to that misconception of what it is to be transgender or a gay woman.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 21 April 2014 12:30 (five years ago) link

Was there any reference to Chilton at all, this week? I'm kind of assuming he made it, but it really seemed like he was killed.

a strange man (mh), Monday, 21 April 2014 14:08 (five years ago) link

FISH

j., Friday, 25 April 2014 01:53 (five years ago) link

good to see jeremy davies is still cutting his own hair

there was a lot of nietzsche in this episode—early on, and in alanna's interview w/ the social worker (sociopaths 'keep us on our toes' is basically the explanation he floats for the value of murderous immorality to the human race in 'the gay science'), and in davies' sympathy for the horse

j., Friday, 25 April 2014 02:49 (five years ago) link

Aw we didn't get to see Will Graham kill the man in the prehistoric bear amour.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 02:03 (five years ago) link

Just read on imdb that David Tennant auditioned for Lecter and was deemed excellent, but it didn't work out for some reason. Think I prefer it this way.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 15:34 (five years ago) link

definitely

balls, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 16:18 (five years ago) link

lol hannibal owns a theremin

a strange man (mh), Saturday, 3 May 2014 02:31 (five years ago) link

i've enjoyed how ever since will told hannibal that he was finally interesting to him (as opposed to before when will had to fake it), everything hannibal has said in phony person-suit mode has been insufferably pseud-y

j., Saturday, 3 May 2014 02:45 (five years ago) link

"button-stitching"

Roz, Saturday, 3 May 2014 05:54 (five years ago) link

Oh man, Margot totally slept with Will so she could get pregnant and bear a legitimate male heir so she can kill her brother – that's pretty goddamn twisted. I love this show.

J3ff T., Saturday, 3 May 2014 06:42 (five years ago) link

so will told freddie he would explain things but then we never heard the explanation? this show can be confusing sometimes

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Sunday, 4 May 2014 00:37 (five years ago) link

I think there's still the outside chance Will killed wildlife man in self-defense, stashed his organs to later serve up to Hannibal, and Freddie is hidden away somewhere. It's Will cat fishing Hannibal.

a strange man (mh), Sunday, 4 May 2014 00:58 (five years ago) link

Oh man I hope so!!!!!

carl agatha, Sunday, 4 May 2014 01:58 (five years ago) link

That's obviously what's happening.

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Sunday, 4 May 2014 03:00 (five years ago) link

"you slice the ginger"

Mordy, Sunday, 4 May 2014 03:35 (five years ago) link

when are will & hannibal just gonna bone down already jeeeeez

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 May 2014 03:43 (five years ago) link

michael pitt's mason verger = <3

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 May 2014 03:44 (five years ago) link

looool

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 May 2014 14:17 (five years ago) link

was the burning wheelchair in 'red dragon' the book? or just the ratner adaptation

slam dunk, Monday, 5 May 2014 03:14 (five years ago) link

wouldn't it be awesome if they just played the Red Dragon story as a killer of the week and not something of major consequence?

a strange man (mh), Monday, 5 May 2014 03:16 (five years ago) link

this season is great! this show is great!

caek, Monday, 5 May 2014 03:40 (five years ago) link

ok i checked and it is in the book. stoked for the dolarhyde madness. totally forgot that the garrett jacob hobbs stuff was from the book as well.

slam dunk, Monday, 5 May 2014 05:05 (five years ago) link

In the book, that's Freddie Lounds in the flaming wheelchair.

carl agatha, Monday, 5 May 2014 10:49 (five years ago) link

this season is great! this show is great!

― caek, Monday, 5 May 2014 04:40 Bookmark

^^^^

r|t|c, Monday, 5 May 2014 11:05 (five years ago) link

v relieved chiltern's stylist was kept on for mason verger

r|t|c, Monday, 5 May 2014 11:07 (five years ago) link

when are will & hannibal just gonna bone down already jeeeeez

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 4 May 2014 04:43 Bookmark

lol ya the show makes it so overwhelming

probably the best tv romance since beecher & keller

r|t|c, Monday, 5 May 2014 11:12 (five years ago) link

I love that Mads is showing that Hannibal trusts Will more and more by looking like he's about to start cracking up laughing in nearly every scene.

x-post: I think that "who's bonin' who" double sex scene was intended to work on, oh, about 17 levels.

Three Word Username, Monday, 5 May 2014 11:42 (five years ago) link

i lol'd when the adagietto from Mahler's 5th started playing during their dinner date at the end. super romantic.

Roz, Monday, 5 May 2014 11:49 (five years ago) link

Oh yeah. I think one of the reasons this show works so well is that it doesn't assume that it's smarter than its audience, but assumes that its audience is really really smart and looking for fun.

Three Word Username, Monday, 5 May 2014 11:58 (five years ago) link

Renewed for a third season! Phew!

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Friday, 9 May 2014 17:33 (five years ago) link

Yay!! Maybe they'll get to Silence after all.

Mordy, Friday, 9 May 2014 18:32 (five years ago) link

they'll never get to silence, they don't have the rights

balls, Friday, 9 May 2014 18:33 (five years ago) link

Crisis was just cancelled as part of NBC's annual bloodletting so Scully can come back to Hannibal

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Friday, 9 May 2014 19:31 (five years ago) link

She's got Hannibal and The Fall. She didn't need that dumb Crisis show anyway.

carl agatha, Friday, 9 May 2014 19:35 (five years ago) link

well what are the chances she comes back on a plate anyway

j., Friday, 9 May 2014 19:41 (five years ago) link

That show needs to be careful not to let Hannibal eat all the women.

carl agatha, Friday, 9 May 2014 19:41 (five years ago) link

well assuming the season opener was not a tease for an event in a future season (lame), it seems like the state will be providing his meals pretty soon?

j., Friday, 9 May 2014 19:43 (five years ago) link

well assuming the season opener was not a tease for an event in a future season (lame), it seems like the state will be providing his meals pretty soon?
--j.

I really hope he isn't captured this season. Free Hannibal is a lot more interesting than caged Hannibal.

building a desert (art), Friday, 9 May 2014 19:44 (five years ago) link

I'm finding that a lot of this show just washes over me now, I have no fucking idea what is even happening most of the time

but it's so PRETTY

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 9 May 2014 20:23 (five years ago) link

i love the long rambling but soothing psychobabble - you can get lost in it

Mordy, Friday, 9 May 2014 20:24 (five years ago) link

I think there's still the outside chance Will killed wildlife man in self-defense, stashed his organs to later serve up to Hannibal, and Freddie is hidden away somewhere. It's Will cat fishing Hannibal.

― a strange man (mh), Sunday, May 4, 2014 12:58 AM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh man I hope so!!!!!

― carl agatha, Sunday, May 4, 2014 1:58 AM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That's obviously what's happening.

― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Sunday, May 4, 2014 3:00 AM (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

:( :( :( :(

carl agatha, Saturday, 10 May 2014 02:13 (five years ago) link

aww, they pulled the curtain back already

Btw Carl you commented too soon

a strange man (mh), Saturday, 10 May 2014 02:56 (five years ago) link

:D :D :D :D

carl agatha, Saturday, 10 May 2014 02:57 (five years ago) link

will glancing up at mason's hair a++

a strange man (mh), Saturday, 10 May 2014 02:57 (five years ago) link

lol she blinded me with BABBY

Roz, Saturday, 10 May 2014 06:18 (five years ago) link

pitt's verger feels like several batman villains rolled into one+an impression of gary oldman's verger in the 'hannibal' movie. at first i was disappointed at how clownish he was but verger is supposed to be a clown, really. he's not a mastermind, he's just really rich and evil. hannibal destroys him because he finds him gauche and boring. i watched 'hannibal' the movie again and verger's revenge plot seemed almost overtly comical, especially given how easily hannibal is able to escape it. like it's about as silly as the crotch-laser in 'goldfinger' or w/e.

slam dunk, Saturday, 10 May 2014 06:49 (five years ago) link

Nice Dead Ringers homage lol

Great ep

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Saturday, 10 May 2014 15:10 (five years ago) link

Actually bought Hannibal feeling sorry for taking Abigal from Will.

jbn, Sunday, 11 May 2014 01:39 (five years ago) link

papa was a prodigy in the field of meat

j., Sunday, 11 May 2014 03:12 (five years ago) link

Actually bought Hannibal feeling sorry for taking Abigal from Will.

― jbn, Sunday, May 11, 2014 1:39 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I obviously take this show at face value way too much (see my complete belief that Freddy was dead...y) but I think he was sorry, at least in his own way. Hannibal wanting a friend, wanting Will as a friend, has been a theme of this show from the beginning and he thinks he has a friend in Will and so he's sorry about Abigail, in a very not-sorry, "Sorry that had to happen" kind of way.

carl agatha, Sunday, 11 May 2014 05:48 (five years ago) link

Feel like it was honest because Mischa is basically Hannibal's only genuine emotional connection to another human.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Sunday, 11 May 2014 14:53 (five years ago) link

this business with the vergers seems to have junked up the tail end of this season

lol at alana tho: 'you're lying! you're all lying! you're lying to me, you're lying to each other!' inadvertently gaslit by their hunting party

j., Sunday, 11 May 2014 15:05 (five years ago) link

why did will tell hannibal that he killed freddy when he didn't? this is even more confusing

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Monday, 12 May 2014 21:13 (five years ago) link

2 + 2 =

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 12 May 2014 21:41 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=487t88pz-2Y

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Friday, 16 May 2014 03:06 (five years ago) link

welp, there goes Mason

jesus, they're showing this on network tv, aren't they?

a strange man (mh), Saturday, 17 May 2014 02:53 (five years ago) link

oh man, I thought he actually killed him for a second. nope, Hannibal is never merciful.

a strange man (mh), Saturday, 17 May 2014 02:54 (five years ago) link

not gonna say a name but you know how sometimes you'll see something about a pilot being picked up and you won't even read the thing but there will be a cast photo and you'll think 'o there's ____________. that's odd he's already on...oh.'

i guess what i'm saying is avoid any fall preview whatever for another week or so.

balls, Saturday, 17 May 2014 03:31 (five years ago) link

I'm an episode behind but can I just

there's so much beautiful symmetry going on in almost every frame of this, it's seriously killing me.

also that ortolan scene was

O_O

;_;

D:

...

<3

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 May 2014 06:53 (five years ago) link

when is michael pitt going to start being in all the movies and play a fucking batman villain or something
he's so great

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 May 2014 06:54 (five years ago) link

I know who balls is talking about and I really hope that person has something in his/her contract that will allow him/her to be in both shows. :(

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Saturday, 17 May 2014 19:36 (five years ago) link

i was always kind of surprised that he does tv anyway

j., Saturday, 17 May 2014 19:49 (five years ago) link

all this hinting is a little silly when the show only has like four full-time cast members.

I'm just being careful because I know some people out there are very salty when it comes to spoilers.

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Saturday, 17 May 2014 20:19 (five years ago) link

holy shit this show. I can't get over how grotesque/gorgeous everything is. and yes, how the hell is this on network TV?!

Roz, Saturday, 17 May 2014 20:36 (five years ago) link

also, is it weird that the only time I'm remotely terrified when watching this show is when I'm afraid of something happening to Will's dogs?

Roz, Saturday, 17 May 2014 20:41 (five years ago) link

Ha, Roz, when I saw that only one dog was waiting I was worried about the other ones until I realized what they were probably doing.

tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 17 May 2014 20:54 (five years ago) link

lol gotta love WInston not taking part in that mess, nope.

Roz, Saturday, 17 May 2014 20:56 (five years ago) link

you know the casting change would mean bringing in someone w/ some stature

unless they're gonna late-season it already and come up with wacky new reasons why X should now be made [JOB REDACTED] or start using Y to [TASK REDACTED] or whatever just so they don't have to shell out for another name

j., Saturday, 17 May 2014 20:57 (five years ago) link

also, is it weird that the only time I'm remotely terrified when watching this show is when I'm afraid of something happening to Will's dogs?

― Roz

lol this is totally me

balls, Saturday, 17 May 2014 21:44 (five years ago) link

Winston is one of them dogs that has become far more civilised than humanity. What a supreme episode and a great myth making performance by Pitt for the series 3 retribution attempt. I found Pitt a bit bland in BE but in this he has given a star performance.

xelab, Saturday, 17 May 2014 22:38 (five years ago) link

i would love to read the internal documents at the network about this show. the whole autophagy scene i was sort of transfixed by the nbc logo ever-present in the corner.

j., Sunday, 18 May 2014 03:16 (five years ago) link

but oh shit gillian anderson so perfect

j., Sunday, 18 May 2014 03:19 (five years ago) link

Sometimes a banner will pop up on the bottom of the screen to tease the 10:00 news and it's always so jarring esp because the news anchors like pop up and smile as part of it. Meanwhile on screen there's a dude with a beehive in his head or somebody eating his own nose.

carl agatha, Sunday, 18 May 2014 03:46 (five years ago) link

"Run Rob Stafford and Allison Rosati! The steampunk werewolf is on the loose!"

carl agatha, Sunday, 18 May 2014 03:52 (five years ago) link

i thought for a moment that hannibal gassed verger with tiny bees & was like WHOOOA

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 May 2014 03:56 (five years ago) link

Bryan Fuller on getting stuff past the censors:

The A.V. Club: As a showrunner, how do you talk to Standards And Practices about a scene where a guy cuts off his own face and eats his own nose?

Bryan Fuller: [Laughs.] There was a heads-up that we called in, and Joanna Jameson, who is our executive that covers Hannibal, has been incredible for teaching us how we can get away with what we want to get away with, while still coloring within the lines of Standards And Practices. It started with an email to her about how we have this nasty bit of business where somebody’s going to cut off their face and continue to have a conversation about it in the process, and we want to make sure we are vivid and true to the source material, which all happened in a bit of a flashback, so I knew, creatively, that we were going to be doing something slightly different than how it was presented in the novel, because circumstances were slightly different. She basically advised us that darkness is our friend, and as much as we wanted to show could be shown as long as it was in silhouette. For me, I knew that I didn’t want to have Michael Pitt with half of his face hanging off for most of the scene, because then it kind of loses its value. So, it became the negotiation of why not have him doing most of this stuff in the shadow and then step forward into illumination where you can just see the staggering level of damage that he’s done to himself.

When we submitted it, I don’t think we got dinged on that scene. The scene that we got dinged on in that episode was when Will Graham cuts Hannibal’s throat in the fantasy sequence, when he’s thinking about what he wants to have happen from telling Mason Verger that Hannibal wants to kill him. We had one shot in there that went on too long, in terms of the wave of arterial spray that was coming out of Hannibal’s neck. That was the one we got bumped on in that episode, but not any of the face carving.

Roz, Sunday, 18 May 2014 08:53 (five years ago) link

also, re the "Margot and her button-stitching" line from two episodes ago: https://twitter.com/BryanFuller/status/462468066941890560

Roz, Sunday, 18 May 2014 09:01 (five years ago) link

Bryan Fuller: [Laughs.]

j., Sunday, 18 May 2014 14:23 (five years ago) link

you can show a dude with his face all cut off but can't say "muff diving." what a world.

a strange man (mh), Sunday, 18 May 2014 14:33 (five years ago) link

The gorgeous distorted tunnel vision shots of Will and Hannibal! The laughs! The fact that I, a total gore wimp, can not look away for a second! Oooh, this show!

Three Word Username, Sunday, 18 May 2014 19:34 (five years ago) link

BF: We had set up this whole storyline with Bedelia that we were going to do in this episode, and it is only due to Gillian Anderson’s absolute dedication to the show, because she was doing Crisis and The Fall concurrently with this. We had no business getting her back at all, and the way it worked out is that she had one day between finishing Crisis before starting The Fall, so she literally wrapped production on Crisis Saturday morning at, like, 3 a.m. or 4 a.m., got on a 9 a.m. flight from Chicago to Toronto, landed in Toronto at 10, and was on stage, in front of the camera, by noon. And we had her for six hours before she had to catch her next plane, so she could arrive in Ireland to get her wardrobe fitting on Sunday before she started shooting The Fall on Monday. It was crazy that we got her, and it was only because she was like, “I love this character. I love working on this show. I’m treated very well on this show. I want to come back and continue to be Hannibal Lecter’s therapist, because it’s a ball.”

<3 GA

Mordy, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 05:17 (five years ago) link

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

carl agatha, Saturday, 24 May 2014 03:00 (five years ago) link

Well, that was a bloody depressing finale. Bets on who survives and who dies in the house? I bet Abigail is the only one who actually dies.

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Saturday, 24 May 2014 03:44 (five years ago) link

Wow that was nuts

Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Saturday, 24 May 2014 05:16 (five years ago) link

Fuck me

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Saturday, 24 May 2014 05:17 (five years ago) link

god damn internet tv lagtimes this is an emergency

j., Saturday, 24 May 2014 05:32 (five years ago) link

I remember a review with Fuller during or just after Season 1 where he said Season 3 would be Red Dragon, and I totally bought that as the inevitable end of this season, so I'm wondering if he changed his mind or if he's just been all "imma long con these fans lol" since the beginning.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Saturday, 24 May 2014 05:42 (five years ago) link

BRYAN FUCKING FULLER. This is just revenge for all the shows that he's had to cancel early over the years right? Just go totally bonkers in season two?

Roz, Saturday, 24 May 2014 06:39 (five years ago) link

that was unexpected

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 24 May 2014 14:34 (five years ago) link

Holy shit at the Bedelia reveal! She really pulled a number on Jack and Will.

xelab, Saturday, 24 May 2014 15:54 (five years ago) link

so will didn't kill abigail either? jesus did anyone on this show ever die

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Saturday, 24 May 2014 17:53 (five years ago) link

Don't see Beverly coming back

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Saturday, 24 May 2014 18:01 (five years ago) link

sniff

j., Saturday, 24 May 2014 18:38 (five years ago) link

note to self: no one is dead unless you see a doctor pronounce them on camera.

also, where is this show going???

building a desert (art), Saturday, 24 May 2014 19:13 (five years ago) link

fuuucking hell what the fuck did I just watch

O_O

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 May 2014 21:43 (five years ago) link

this show is like the serial killer version of The Grifters

fuckin Bedelia even! goddamn

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 May 2014 21:49 (five years ago) link

i actually didn't dig the ep that much, storytelling was nonexistent

j., Saturday, 24 May 2014 22:31 (five years ago) link

The storytelling was all in Mads Mikkelsen's face, which can somehow tell you a million things without actually moving a muscle. The moment when he realises that Will is going through with the plan to betray him is weirdly heartbreaking.

Roz, Saturday, 24 May 2014 22:39 (five years ago) link

also

"Hannibal!... Where's Jack?"
"In the pantry."

Roz, Saturday, 24 May 2014 22:41 (five years ago) link

i can get that, it's just, so many episodes have this very statuesque dramatic structure (if that artistic combo makes sense), and this one…

maybe i'm thinking of tracer hand's (mark s's?) legendary mise-en-scene

j., Saturday, 24 May 2014 22:48 (five years ago) link

I love the way Mads moves as violent Hannibal, lightning quick & precise

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 24 May 2014 23:44 (five years ago) link

"The moment when he realises that Will is going through with the plan to betray him is weirdly heartbreaking."

He sniffs at Will and detects some trace of Abigail, this bit was so creepy.

xelab, Sunday, 25 May 2014 01:51 (five years ago) link

^ freddie

j., Sunday, 25 May 2014 02:11 (five years ago) link

oh yeah freddie.

xelab, Sunday, 25 May 2014 02:13 (five years ago) link

yeah that hair thing was freaky

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 May 2014 02:36 (five years ago) link

so...abby was in hannibal's attic all this time? or...

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 May 2014 02:36 (five years ago) link

?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 May 2014 02:36 (five years ago) link

she was in his custody somehow, that's pretty much all that is known

building a desert (art), Sunday, 25 May 2014 02:43 (five years ago) link

sous chef maybe idk

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 25 May 2014 02:50 (five years ago) link

Fuller's post-finale: http://www.avclub.com/article/hannibals-bryan-fuller-discusses-bloody-jaw-droppi-204896

he explains Bedelia's motivations a bit, also suggests that Beverly found Abigail in the basement before she was killed.

Roz, Sunday, 25 May 2014 05:22 (five years ago) link

BF: [Laughs.]

j., Sunday, 25 May 2014 13:47 (five years ago) link

xp - i am stoked beyond words that season 3 is meant to explore the lecter backstory.

building a desert (art), Sunday, 25 May 2014 14:28 (five years ago) link

Glad Fuller doesn't like Hannibal Rising

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Sunday, 25 May 2014 14:33 (five years ago) link

plus the actual Hannibal origin story doesn't work given the temporal impossibility of Mads having escaped the Nazis on the eastern front

building a desert (art), Sunday, 25 May 2014 14:36 (five years ago) link

Doesn't seem to stop the keepers of the X-Men movie franchise

a strange man (mh), Monday, 26 May 2014 01:56 (five years ago) link

heh "silence on the lam"

r|t|c, Monday, 26 May 2014 19:22 (five years ago) link

i spent ten hours of this show waiting for a payoff the episode seemed to promise, like, 'jack is stabbed but puts a door between himself and hannibal - what happens to jack next?'

'jack bleeds out'

great thanks show

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 26 May 2014 21:02 (five years ago) link

*first episode

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 26 May 2014 21:02 (five years ago) link

The "payoff" has been the crowning glory of this series, the last few episodes were very strong and that was easily the best conclusion of any series in recent times. Whatever you were waiting for was never going to arrive.

xelab, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 00:08 (five years ago) link

hardmanned over network tv

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 05:27 (five years ago) link

https://twitter.com/ZooHannibal

Roz, Wednesday, 28 May 2014 05:40 (five years ago) link

lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 28 May 2014 05:49 (five years ago) link

Goddamn Mads is good at what he does. He's invested so much energy into being subtle that the tiniest variation in volume or tone completely shakes the viewer up. Also his acting in the fight scene -- he does this thing at the end of every move, a kind of "there you go" -- this show rules.

Three Word Username, Monday, 2 June 2014 10:37 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOXopTehvZs

Who's the young man with the red bandanna around his neck?

Three Word Username, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:05 (five years ago) link

!! Amazing.

I did wonder whether he was a dancer before (he moves like one) and now I know. :D

Roz, Tuesday, 3 June 2014 16:15 (five years ago) link

I miss this show. Very glad it got picked up for a third season, but damnit I miss this show.

Survivalist Compound Row (B.L.A.M.), Saturday, 7 June 2014 17:04 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Finally caught up on the last couple of episodes, pretty shocking and definitely the strongest run the show's had so far. Probably helps that I've finally abandoned ascribing ideas of logic and plausibility to the thing and started treating it like a fever dream.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 26 June 2014 01:13 (five years ago) link

Pitt was a revelation by the way, only seen him in BE before which didn't really indicate he had these kind of chops.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 26 June 2014 01:14 (five years ago) link

And I kind of hope everyone's dead and next season is a clean slate.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 26 June 2014 01:15 (five years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Just watched the second season in the course of a week and the post that most clearly sums up my experience is:

Oh yeah. I think one of the reasons this show works so well is that it doesn't assume that it's smarter than its audience, but assumes that its audience is really really smart and looking for fun.
― Three Word Username, Monday, May 5, 2014 11:58 AM (2 months ago)

Very much looking forward to Mads and Scully solving crimes and eating people across the Australian outback in 2015

one month passes...

eeeeeeeeeeeeeee http://tvline.com/2014/09/11/gillian-anderson-hannibal-series-regular-season-3/ eeeeeeeeee

Mordy, Thursday, 11 September 2014 22:32 (four years ago) link

woohoo

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 11 September 2014 22:33 (four years ago) link

awesome

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 September 2014 04:20 (four years ago) link

I watched the first 5 or so episodes of this, and while the visuals were really great, the plots and characters were the same cliched serial killer stuff we've seen a million times (the smart-but-tortured detective who can get inside killers' heads', the elitist chessmaster serial killer who's always one step ahead of everyone, etc.), so I got bored with it. Does the rest of the series follow the same beaten path? Should I still give it a try?

Tuomas, Friday, 12 September 2014 06:23 (four years ago) link

You in particular will always find something to dislike, but the show gets better.

Three Word Username, Friday, 12 September 2014 11:51 (four years ago) link

For me, the characters and plotting never particularly break beyond cliche, and when they attempt to it's via a lot of psuedo-psychological gobbledegook. However, the art design and the power of Mads' performance (best Lector ever)has kept me watching so far, and I do like a good inventive grisly murder. Oh, and the last three or four eps of S2 are really quite exciting.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 12 September 2014 11:55 (four years ago) link

I'm hoping next season will be the one which elevates it from 'enjoyable nonsense' to 'actually good show', and signs are promising from what I've read.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 12 September 2014 11:58 (four years ago) link

fwiw, the source material for the show invented a lot of those cliches.

carl agatha, Friday, 12 September 2014 12:25 (four years ago) link

I just watch it for the mood, the visuals and the score. It's absolutely amazing on those fronts, so why care about plot anyway? Plots are boring.

Frederik B, Friday, 12 September 2014 12:29 (four years ago) link

Plots are boring.

Haha, disagree with you 100% on this. Well, I'll concede that boring plots are boring.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 12 September 2014 12:41 (four years ago) link

But for me a really well-crafted one is a sublime pleasure.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 12 September 2014 12:41 (four years ago) link

I watched the first 5 or so episodes of this, and while the visuals were really great, the plots and characters were the same cliched serial killer stuff we've seen a million times (the smart-but-tortured detective who can get inside killers' heads', the elitist chessmaster serial killer who's always one step ahead of everyone, etc.), so I got bored with it. Does the rest of the series follow the same beaten path? Should I still give it a try?

― Tuomas, Friday, 12 September 2014 07:23 Bookmark

i v much thought the same, it wasn't until the following few episodes that it began to come together, and after that the second season is a tour de force

r|t|c, Friday, 12 September 2014 12:53 (four years ago) link

the second season is a tour de force

Thought it dragged/got extremely silly in the middle myself.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 12 September 2014 12:58 (four years ago) link

http://funko.com/collections/hannibal-tv

Also, the soundtrack/score albums were released in the last couple weeks.

⌘-B (mh), Friday, 12 September 2014 14:03 (four years ago) link

ooh the scoring is pretty great too imo - i thought it was a bit too droney and oppressive in the beginning but they really stepped up their game in the second season. esp with their use of classical and opera motifs which tend to double as in-jokes/comments on the show itself.

Thought it dragged/got extremely silly in the middle myself

kinda agree with this, but it's pretty much all set up for the last few episodes which was easily the best stretch of TV I saw this year.

Roz, Friday, 12 September 2014 18:42 (four years ago) link

the food prep/chef/designer for the show's blog listed upthread is solid gold

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Friday, 12 September 2014 18:54 (four years ago) link

Hannibal's dishes alone totally justify the existence of the show.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 12 September 2014 23:33 (four years ago) link

otm

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 13 September 2014 01:42 (four years ago) link

it's a show about best friends with different life paths

slugbuggy, Saturday, 13 September 2014 01:57 (four years ago) link

a show about a fetishy-looking fellow with antlers, friends, and how to eat them

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 13 September 2014 02:04 (four years ago) link

Did Scott Thompson die? I can't remember.

This Is Not An ILX Username (LaMonte), Saturday, 13 September 2014 02:44 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

there was a panel discussion w/ cast etc

https://screen.yahoo.com/popular/paleyfest-ny-hannibal-190000806.html

this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 October 2014 19:28 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

;_; bye bye mikey :(

but that pic of anderson in the makeup is like whoa

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 02:05 (four years ago) link

his final conversation w/crawford in season 2 was so macabre and hilarious

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 02:11 (four years ago) link

he's such a good actor

i want him to be in all my fave shows

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 02:11 (four years ago) link

i think it'll be ok - character has obv gone thru traumatic experience + his face is gonna be gross

Mordy, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 02:12 (four years ago) link

yeah feels like makeup can do a lot of heavy lifting with this casting change

pursuit of happiness (art), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 02:14 (four years ago) link

maybe that's why pitt bailed?

he's too pretty to be in uglifyimg makeup for that long lol

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 02:19 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Richard Armitage as Francis Dolarhyde.

http://tvline.com/2015/01/13/hannibal-season-3-cast-richard-armitage-dolarhyde/

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 20:33 (four years ago) link

dang i had no idea pitt left, only noticed bc this thread got bumped

wonder if he drank himself out of a job again a la boardwalk empire

i'm tellin you it was kenard (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 20:42 (four years ago) link

YASSSSSSS WILL GRAHAM SLAYYYYY etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOi_HN6nQNs

Tay-Tay Brooklynpants (Murgatroid), Friday, 23 January 2015 00:18 (four years ago) link

looks gorgeous

Mordy, Friday, 23 January 2015 00:26 (four years ago) link

rad

Sounds like a forks display name (forksclovetofu), Friday, 23 January 2015 00:29 (four years ago) link

😊

Punny Names (latebloomer), Friday, 23 January 2015 00:41 (four years ago) link

can't wait for this! <3

is Hannibal working in a meat museum?

Roz, Friday, 23 January 2015 06:58 (four years ago) link

They have re-cast Mason Verger, so no Michael Pitt in S3. Quite easy I suppose when the character has fed half of his face to the dog, but I quite liked MP.

xelab, Friday, 23 January 2015 07:35 (four years ago) link

but Richard Armitage, the replacement, is p great. (aka Thorin from the Hobbit movies, etc)

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 January 2015 14:40 (four years ago) link

naw that is the dude playing Francis Dolarhyde

Verger is gonna be this dude: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1725848/

mh, Friday, 23 January 2015 14:44 (four years ago) link

oops yes

i forgot abt dolarhyde

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 January 2015 14:46 (four years ago) link

I have really enjoyed Michael Pitt on screen but I don't know if he's actually a good actor or if he just does the charismatic asshole thing well

I know he's apparently hell to work with

mh, Friday, 23 January 2015 14:48 (four years ago) link

on the bright side, maybe all the time they had to spend putting him in makeup gave him the opportunity to actually learn his lines at the end of last season

mh, Friday, 23 January 2015 14:48 (four years ago) link

p sure he's lovely & everyone is jealous

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 January 2015 14:49 (four years ago) link

suuuure

mh, Friday, 23 January 2015 14:51 (four years ago) link

I'm loathe to buy fan-targeted goofy products but I guiltily have the Wendigo funko pop figuring from their Hannibal series. It's creeping out my other little toys.

mh, Friday, 23 January 2015 14:55 (four years ago) link

nice!

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 23 January 2015 19:53 (four years ago) link

not sure if this was the trailer/teaser that got removed above, but wowwwwwwww:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kN7fhWnhdM

slothroprhymes, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 17:47 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

Has their ever been a bad promo set to that song? I'm also thinking of the trailer for Wong Kar-Wai's Happy Together here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0Dh6Jdc18c

Tay-Tay Brooklynpants (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 6 May 2015 21:49 (four years ago) link

https://medium.com/matter/living-with-being-dead-844b4b1e668

about cotard's delusion (not hannibal)

j., Monday, 11 May 2015 15:20 (four years ago) link

fascinating stuff.

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 11 May 2015 15:43 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

this starts tomorrow! i had no idea.

Clay, Thursday, 4 June 2015 03:11 (four years ago) link

yessir

it will not cut into the finals for me no way but i'm v excited to watch it DVRed this weekend!!

dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Thursday, 4 June 2015 03:12 (four years ago) link

:D

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 June 2015 03:26 (four years ago) link

I can't wait!!

tokyo rosemary, Thursday, 4 June 2015 03:56 (four years ago) link

I've seen the S3 premiere. It...(redacted)

fuck me, archipelago (Simon H.), Thursday, 4 June 2015 04:28 (four years ago) link

I'm seriously not sure I'm psychologically ready for this show to be back...

Frederik B, Thursday, 4 June 2015 11:35 (four years ago) link

now where did i put my deer antlers

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 4 June 2015 16:53 (four years ago) link

Bryan Fuller is doing a Q&A on FB right now: https://www.facebook.com/NBCHannibal/posts/903814376308000

some fun stuff so far, like the fact that Bedelia's character was originally written for Angela Lansbury! And that he'd ideally cast a non-white actor as Clarice Starling if they ever got the rights to SOTL.

Roz, Friday, 5 June 2015 00:56 (four years ago) link

Bedelia with her arm down Zachary Quinto's throat was weird.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Friday, 5 June 2015 03:14 (four years ago) link

I liked Anderson adjusting her strapless gown.

tokyo rosemary, Friday, 5 June 2015 14:53 (four years ago) link

But seriously why did she have her arm down his throat.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Friday, 5 June 2015 14:54 (four years ago) link

ripped his tongue out iirc

or Hannibal posed her that way, who knows

ultimate american sock (mh), Friday, 5 June 2015 14:54 (four years ago) link

I am up in the air on the new musical cues and themes, definitely a switch-up

ultimate american sock (mh), Friday, 5 June 2015 14:55 (four years ago) link

That seems like an inefficient and needlessly messy way to rip someone's tongue out.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Friday, 5 June 2015 14:55 (four years ago) link

Thanks for nothing, strategically placed wine glass!!

tokyo rosemary, Friday, 5 June 2015 14:55 (four years ago) link

haha

ultimate american sock (mh), Friday, 5 June 2015 14:56 (four years ago) link

goddamn, this hit the ground running

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:13 (four years ago) link

i like that it did not give a single solitary fuck that our biggest concern was who was alive in the aftermath of the dinner party; let's just get caught up with Hannibal and his gal in paris

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:14 (four years ago) link

is it? really?

j., Friday, 5 June 2015 15:16 (four years ago) link

well it sure as hell was for me! They potentially murdered 75% of the cast in the cliffhanger for last season and we're not gonna check in with them even once?

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:17 (four years ago) link

you americans, always rushing everything, never savoring

j., Friday, 5 June 2015 15:19 (four years ago) link

Again, I'm saying I appreciated their willingness to cut against the grain of that sentiment.

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:20 (four years ago) link

I felt like there was a pretty slow pace to about half the episode. As far as the overarching plot goes, sure, we're in media res

ultimate american sock (mh), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:26 (four years ago) link

in the shit

j., Friday, 5 June 2015 15:27 (four years ago) link

I am not sure about the Eddie Izzard inner dinner party debate sequences. It's an interesting way to illustrate what Hannibal asked Bedelia about her anticipation of others' emotions and actions, but I hope it's not ongoing. Not that it could be, as he was about spent as far as limbs go.

ultimate american sock (mh), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:29 (four years ago) link

Bonsoir

ultimate american sock (mh), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:29 (four years ago) link

i think it was to emphasize how much hannibal craves an audience

dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:31 (four years ago) link

The casting of someone recognizable as the patient Hannibal sent to Bedelia to bait them into a murderous situation seems to indicate we might see more flashbacks to her grooming

ultimate american sock (mh), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:31 (four years ago) link

great episode tho, hallucinatory/non-chronological vibe was really effective - as was the switching between 1.85 and full widescreen for present vs. past respectively

dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:32 (four years ago) link

The look on Anderson's face when she's told her diet is what Romans fed animals to make them tastier, well...

When in Rome...

ultimate american sock (mh), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:32 (four years ago) link

i thought the izzard sequences are meant to suggest that hannibal could very well be preparing bedelia for eating and that she's acutely aware of that possibility but is trapped in a self-destructive cycle that he's constructed for her
have we ever seen hannibal engage in sexual activity? he seems to full of himself to allow it. it occurred to me that the sound of mads and gillian fucking would be that of a cello being bowed by a leather gloved hand.

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:44 (four years ago) link

they were pretty clear he was in a sexual relationship with Alana Bloom

ultimate american sock (mh), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:51 (four years ago) link

yeah, but only as a manipulation? i guess i'm asking if this guy has sex for pleasure and the answer is likely obviously no; the pointed turning away at bedelia's bath felt meaningful... "it's definitely not that kind of party"

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:53 (four years ago) link

yeah remember the dream-space five way w/ alana hannibal will margot verger and...the antler demon? lol

dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:54 (four years ago) link

i think he's capable of experience sexual pleasure but it prob is not something he thinks about much or prioritizes though so i m/l agree w you forks

dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 June 2015 15:56 (four years ago) link

eating people is much more u&k

ultimate american sock (mh), Friday, 5 June 2015 16:37 (four years ago) link

director of the premiere on the visual inspirations/coloring/imagery etc. http://www.vulture.com/2015/06/hannibal-most-avant-garde-season-yet.html?mid=twitter_vulture

SLIGHT SPOILER w/r/t a character who hasnt been seen yet - only in that there's an image of them that iirc was in the trailers, but just figured i'd attach the warning

dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Friday, 5 June 2015 17:37 (four years ago) link

I am not sure about the Eddie Izzard inner dinner party debate sequences. It's an interesting way to illustrate what Hannibal asked Bedelia about her anticipation of others' emotions and actions, but I hope it's not ongoing. Not that it could be, as he was about spent as far as limbs go.

― ultimate american sock (mh), Friday, June 5, 2015 11:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think it was to emphasize how much hannibal craves an audience

― dellevadova depression beard (slothroprhymes), Friday, June 5, 2015 11:31 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and how much he wants that audience to be Will. Bedelia's a distraction and she knows it. (In Bryan Fuller-speak, Hannibal wants his murder husband, not murder wife.)

I did like how Eddie Izzard had one less limb every time they cut to a new flashback/hallucination scene.

Roz, Friday, 5 June 2015 21:44 (four years ago) link

Wasn't it implied before that Hannibal was the one who killed Zach Quinto's character? And that at some point, he made Bedelia believe that she was the one who did it, in the same way he made Will think he killed Abigail?

Roz, Friday, 5 June 2015 21:45 (four years ago) link

yes.

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 June 2015 22:05 (four years ago) link

Ohhhhhh I had missed that.

I feel like I need to rewatch previous seasons but I don't know if I can handle it.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Friday, 5 June 2015 22:25 (four years ago) link

i would love to rewatch this whole thing sometime soon. maybe when it wraps.
no word on a season four yet right?

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Friday, 5 June 2015 22:40 (four years ago) link

the florence shots are scrumptious

Mordy, Saturday, 6 June 2015 00:14 (four years ago) link

snails on the hand was maybe the most beautifully nauseating thing I have seen

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 June 2015 00:29 (four years ago) link

i like that the show's aesthetics are similarly nihilistic or amoral as hannibal's - treating blood, death, snails feasting on hands w/ the same lavish attention as champagne, the duomo, a faucet. and those totems that blur the lines - the dante illustrations, the museum-displayed torture items, the upside down rabbit in the meat shop

Mordy, Saturday, 6 June 2015 00:35 (four years ago) link

oh man that lucifer slide over hannibal's face
no other show on television is as well filmed, no other show is even close

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 6 June 2015 00:45 (four years ago) link

omg yes the rabbit

so much of the show's aesthetic to food & flesh reminds me of the 17th (?) century Vanitas paintings, skulls and rotting fruit in lush detail

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 June 2015 00:46 (four years ago) link

xp otm

slothroprhymes, Saturday, 6 June 2015 01:09 (four years ago) link

The graphicness of the cooking is a turn off to me. I wish they could manage some subtlety.

calstars, Saturday, 6 June 2015 18:19 (four years ago) link

O_o. no wai that's the best part! imo

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 June 2015 20:52 (four years ago) link

Yeah big fan of that stuff personally

Spottie, Saturday, 6 June 2015 21:25 (four years ago) link

LOL subtlety.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Sunday, 7 June 2015 01:50 (four years ago) link

not sure if the hide-and-seek scene was necessary but it provided some good dramatic tension

I will be downloading a copy of this episode this weekend due to the fact we had storms in my area and the local television station helpfully had the storm alert banner at the bottom of the screen for the ENTIRE EPISODE

Upright Mammal (mh), Friday, 12 June 2015 14:00 (four years ago) link

is it just me or was that episode even more gruesome than usual? so much squick

also replaying the scenes from last season's finale is some kind of sadistic storytelling

Roz, Friday, 12 June 2015 22:08 (four years ago) link

I wanted to believe in living Abigail

Upright Mammal (mh), Friday, 12 June 2015 23:18 (four years ago) link

I felt something was up when Will woke up in hospital. Hospital rooms don't look like that!!

tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 13 June 2015 00:00 (four years ago) link

I missed this because I had some kind of 24 hr stomach bug and there was just no way.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Saturday, 13 June 2015 00:52 (four years ago) link

wise choice there, this episode was pretty much nightmare fuel from start to finish

Roz, Saturday, 13 June 2015 01:05 (four years ago) link

I felt something was up when Will woke up in hospital. Hospital rooms don't look like that!!

lol tbf there are never any rooms in Hannibal that look like regular places.

Thought it was weird that the priest looked at Abigail in the church. Though maybe he was looking at Will?

Roz, Saturday, 13 June 2015 01:05 (four years ago) link

I think he was looking at will talking to himself

the heart-leg-cronenbergian thing: aaaaaaaaauuugggghhhhh

slothroprhymes, Saturday, 13 June 2015 12:39 (four years ago) link

The priest was looking at Abigail and she was looking back. The brief allusion to Don Giovanni at the end of the episode, the constant talk of God and other worlds, makes it clear that Abigail was really there, but (and this is a wild oversimplification) as an angel or ghost. They seek vengeance, ya know.

Three Word Username, Saturday, 13 June 2015 15:21 (four years ago) link

omg

this is the best thing

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 18 June 2015 05:03 (four years ago) link

the will graham reactions kill me

Clay, Thursday, 18 June 2015 05:26 (four years ago) link

Okay that is fantastic.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Thursday, 18 June 2015 12:55 (four years ago) link

I just watched the season premiere -- twice, to figure out what was going on. Some of it was intentionally confusing, I think: they only call Dr. Fell "Roman" in the first scene and then they don't explicitly show his death.

There were five time periods and besides the Izzard scenes I initially had a hard time telling between them:
RIP Zachary Quinto
Eddie Izzard eats himself.
In France, Hannibal meets Dimmond and kills Mr. & Mrs. Fell offscreen.
In the US, Bedelia meets Hannibal in her house.
In Italy, Hannibal poses as Fell and kills Dimmond.

Hannibal also kills a curator which isn't seen. I don't know what was up with Bedelia buying stuff and being taped.

I hope they keep this up. Great sound in this episode too.

aaaaablnnn (abanana), Friday, 19 June 2015 14:09 (four years ago) link

Hannibal washing Bedelia's hair was practically an ASMR video.

tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 20 June 2015 00:09 (four years ago) link

it would be interesting to do a re-watch now that this show has gotten so impressionistic and dreamlike and everyone talks to riddles. it was so much more of your standard "dark and gritty" procedural in the beginning (like "this is my design" was the closest anyone got to cryptic dialogue lol).

and i kind of miss the more down-to-earth characters like the two comic relief FBI forensic guys. I still like where Hannibal is going but those two feel like they belong to a totally different show now.

Roz, Saturday, 20 June 2015 01:34 (four years ago) link

*talks IN riddles, though 'to' works just as well for this show

Roz, Saturday, 20 June 2015 01:35 (four years ago) link

yeah i just binge watched the first two seasons in the last month to get caught up, so the contrast with the new episodes is a little jarring. i do get the feeling that the mood so far is not necessarily going to hold for all of season 3 as the plot shifts and picks back up on some threads from last year.

some dude, Saturday, 20 June 2015 04:18 (four years ago) link

does the firefly have its own diegetic derivation or is it it a moth reference from the hannibal multiverse?

given what i said upthread i figure the cannibalism discussion between hannibal and gideon (faux-lecter) not only explicitly is abt hannibal eating gideon but implicitly abt the hannibal show slicing off chunks from the canon and refashioning such in its own way.

slugbuggy, Saturday, 20 June 2015 06:47 (four years ago) link

like it doesn't just replicate, it modifies and recontextualizes whole chunks of lore and makes it tastier.

slugbuggy, Saturday, 20 June 2015 06:51 (four years ago) link

i know this is just fan theory, but i did that schtick abt alana wearing will's shirt after sexing and the macbeth quote about can't undo what is did and the show subsequently did both in altered fashion. it knows we're watching, and wants us to know it knows.

slugbuggy, Saturday, 20 June 2015 06:57 (four years ago) link

hannibal is sort of a dick in that he knows he's a copy. he just thinks he's an improvement on the previous versions.

slugbuggy, Saturday, 20 June 2015 07:32 (four years ago) link

like it doesn't just replicate, it modifies and recontextualizes whole chunks of lore and makes it tastier.

and makes it eat itself. keanu whoa.

slugbuggy, Saturday, 20 June 2015 07:41 (four years ago) link

he knows i'm onto him. my only hope is that i got enough insight to not be eaten, just yet.

slugbuggy, Saturday, 20 June 2015 07:57 (four years ago) link

i don't think i like this show much anymore

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 20 June 2015 11:31 (four years ago) link

is it meant to be the idea that it gets all of the high-culture stuff gloriously and camply wrong? i still can't tell, and i'm bored of giving it the benefit of the doubt

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 20 June 2015 11:32 (four years ago) link

"i was his TA at cambridge"

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 20 June 2015 11:32 (four years ago) link

lol they need a British proofreader apparently

Upright Mammal (mh), Saturday, 20 June 2015 14:19 (four years ago) link

i suspect the other yurpean stuff is equally egregious, though i'd be out of my depth in trying to point out why

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 20 June 2015 14:43 (four years ago) link

i mean it's ... i'm not v interested in whether hannibal is GOD or THE DEVIL. i don't think the posh stuff needs to be all that convincing, i guess. i think it's at least somewhat interesting that he's gone from satisfying his superiority over the petit bourgeois to eating the rich

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 20 June 2015 14:44 (four years ago) link

idk about european geographical stuff but the art/music/literature references seem apt, I feel like there would be a lot more consistent criticism of them in reviews/online if they were regularly incorrect or off the mark

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Saturday, 20 June 2015 14:48 (four years ago) link

the Cambridge thing is def a considerable gaffe tho

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Saturday, 20 June 2015 14:50 (four years ago) link

I think what's most interesting about this season thus far is about how it's abandoned realism more than ever before - which is saying something! - in favor of pure dream imagery and logic (or illogic, in certain instances) and psychological/emotional insight

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Saturday, 20 June 2015 14:54 (four years ago) link

idk i think for example the human totem on the beach at the end of season one, that episode -- i think what's going on there is not 'realism' -- when the show was doing the beats of the crime procedural it put it to more interesting use in deforming realism than anything this season has managed so far -- i keep thinking of david fincher

Cambridge Poet is also ... like, there's more to it than 'cambridge doesn't have TAs'--he's like a 50-year out-of-date stereotype of what a poet via cambridge would be like. "feel like there would be a lot more consistent criticism of them in reviews/online if they were regularly incorrect or off the mark" -- that would assume a p literate / 'cultured' commentariat for tv that i just don't know if we have

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 20 June 2015 15:02 (four years ago) link

haha that is a fair point, a decent amount of critics might not bother to check in the first place.

also see what you're saying re: stuff like the totem killing being more subversive by introducing surreal anarchic imagery into what was at the time at least somewhat close to a classic procedural, as a disruptor. I do really enjoy the nightmarish aspects being the blatant central subject of this season, though.

on a completely unrelated note - anyone getting bertolucci vibes from the visual style? specifically the conformist.

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Saturday, 20 June 2015 15:14 (four years ago) link

Hannibal himself has a certain superfluous cultural knowledge. In that it isn't rooted in anything. It's sort of a pan-continental idea of culture, where you would never guess exactly where he comes from originally. There is no sense of history, it's almost mythological with him. Every painting, every poem, every aria, is just a band-aid over a chasm of evil.

Frederik B, Saturday, 20 June 2015 15:16 (four years ago) link

wd pay a low three-figure number to see mads and gillian do noel coward

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 20 June 2015 15:29 (four years ago) link

bertolucci schmertolucci, the vibe i am getting watching will graham walk around this abandoned estate is 'mid-90s cd-rom adventure game'

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 20 June 2015 15:32 (four years ago) link

hannibal's position re cultural capital is interesting--in silence (the book) he eats the liver with 'some fava beans and a big amarone', which was is entirely different from 'a nice chianti' -- the latter is something my mum would say. i have v little idea what a big amarone is.

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 20 June 2015 15:40 (four years ago) link

i recall making the claim to "j." of this parish, sometime around the first season, that hannibal's ultimate villain would have to be someone with a food truck that sold (this dates the conversation rather) ramen burgers, or cronuts

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 20 June 2015 15:42 (four years ago) link

haha i enjoy this more when i don't wait for the thread to spoil it, mads is straight up fire this episode

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 20 June 2015 15:47 (four years ago) link

i haven't caught up on any new episodes yet so i am deeply perplexed why no one is talking about gillian anderson

(<3)

j., Saturday, 20 June 2015 15:49 (four years ago) link

never change bro

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Saturday, 20 June 2015 15:55 (four years ago) link

bertolucci schmertolucci, the vibe i am getting watching will graham walk around this abandoned estate is 'mid-90s cd-rom adventure game'

lmao totally, esp with the birds flying in and out of the screen

Roz, Saturday, 20 June 2015 16:05 (four years ago) link

I also haven't loved this show the way I loved it in season 1 (though 'love' is the wrong word for something that I kinda feel is bad for me), but I do apreciate that it evolved into something different. I can just rewatch season1 if I want more of it. Season 1 had this big sense of sadness and sorrow at it's core, which in season 2 morphed into anger and hate, and then further morphed into insanity halfway through. And it's still insane. But hopefully, it will develop further as the show goes on.

Frederik B, Saturday, 20 June 2015 16:39 (four years ago) link

I'm only half way through the new ep but

- i now have to watch this show on sat morning! when I watched it at night the cryptic dreaminess made me sleepy & i ended up missing half the show from napping lol

- this season is way more cryptic & dreamy than ever & i def miss the procedural aspect that at least anchored the show in a kind of 'reality,' even if it was corny & forced at times

- love how they blended some Monster of Florence mythology into last week's ep, and are slowly swirling together touches from the Hannibal & Hannibal Rising novels as well. It's very loose and hazy but I dig it

- 90's cd rom game otm, loool

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 20 June 2015 16:54 (four years ago) link

People bitching about geographic and real life cultural (as opposed to arts and gastronomy cultural) inaccuracy this season should probably never go to Baltimore.

Three Word Username, Sunday, 21 June 2015 20:33 (four years ago) link

y? do people not like pedantry there?

got bent (mild cheezed off vibes) (s.clover), Sunday, 21 June 2015 20:37 (four years ago) link

Well that too, but I meant that they may simply find it surprisingly unlike Ottawa.

Three Word Username, Sunday, 21 June 2015 20:42 (four years ago) link

Lol. The geography of season one was so weird. Hannibal can basically magically transport himself everywhere if he needs to murder someone.

Frederik B, Sunday, 21 June 2015 20:45 (four years ago) link

maybe the had the motorcycle all along

it's a fair cop, i basically read those captions giving locations as AMERICA; MORE AMERICA; STILL AMERICA, so

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 22 June 2015 01:02 (four years ago) link

Even in season 1, which indeed was more grounded and realistic than what has later happened, the show didn't strictly speaking make sense. It was always impressionistic. The only problem was when people tried to treat it as an actual whodunnit, and based their theories on things such as whether or not a certain solution was actually physically possible. Possibility never really had any bearing on what happened with the plot.

Man, I love this show. In a weird way, but it's just so so swaggeringly good.

Frederik B, Monday, 22 June 2015 01:12 (four years ago) link

but they are so very different goddamn it thomp xp

and not different like "these people live 50 kilometers away from the prior location, they have a distinct culture and accent" way. there are thousands of kilometers crossed in the North American Hannibal episodes!

Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 22 June 2015 01:15 (four years ago) link

I never caught where Abbigail's psychiatric hospital was. The east coast, near the rest of the case, or the midwest, near where she was taken in? The former makes no sense in that she wouldn't be transferred so far away from home and the main characters traveling there on the regular would be odd. The latter makes no sense due to the parts where others seemed to drop in. About 1k km between.

Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 22 June 2015 01:18 (four years ago) link

i still don't understand why everyone wanted to figure out where hannibal was in season one instead of where will was but w/e

got bent (mild cheezed off vibes) (s.clover), Monday, 22 June 2015 01:19 (four years ago) link

xxp excuse me?!?! we don't cross fuckin kilometers here bub

j., Monday, 22 June 2015 01:23 (four years ago) link

I was translating for thomp because I am PRACTICALLY IN MINNESOTA

Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 22 June 2015 01:27 (four years ago) link

they use kilometres over there whole other thing even

j., Monday, 22 June 2015 01:30 (four years ago) link

the english measure road distances in imperial units fyi

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 22 June 2015 02:00 (four years ago) link

i mean basically i assumed they thought there was little point in showing hannibal eating airline food

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 22 June 2015 02:01 (four years ago) link

one wonders in fact if the 'a little protein scramble ... to start the day' sequence came from them plotting out something that involved them being in transit for a long time

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Monday, 22 June 2015 02:02 (four years ago) link

I can imagine Hannibal has killed the executive chef of an airline at some point

Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 22 June 2015 14:18 (four years ago) link

you dang quibblers about ur geography did this i blame you

this sucks

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 21:01 (four years ago) link

nooooooo

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 22 June 2015 21:01 (four years ago) link

maybe they cd get their asses over to netflix, gimme a few more seasons

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 22 June 2015 21:03 (four years ago) link

Netflix?

Three Word Username, Monday, 22 June 2015 21:03 (four years ago) link

kidding, of course, shitty ratings did this

:[ :[ :[

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 21:03 (four years ago) link

netflix/hulu def possible, fuller seems to have said something oblique to that effect

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 21:03 (four years ago) link

but netflix is very much in a too many cooks situation with all its shows, i feel like

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 21:04 (four years ago) link

no-one cookin like hannibal tho

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 22 June 2015 21:06 (four years ago) link

The first two seasons are on amazon, so amazon seems like the logical resurecter. I don't think I can handle if this ends without Hannibal being caught. I need to know he's not still out there, dammit!

Frederik B, Monday, 22 June 2015 21:20 (four years ago) link

he's in your kitchen right now man

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 21:23 (four years ago) link

I seriously just got a bit freaked out...

Frederik B, Monday, 22 June 2015 21:25 (four years ago) link

this show needs to continue so i can keep reading the food designer's awesome blog!!

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 22 June 2015 21:26 (four years ago) link

I should probably stop watching Bryan Fuller shows. They always end up being cancelled before their time.

Frederik B, Monday, 22 June 2015 21:26 (four years ago) link

tbf this went the longest, and has the best chance at a 2nd life. im surprised dead like me & pushing daisies ever got to two, frankly. sometimes i still miss daisies.

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 21:30 (four years ago) link

Dead Like Me went to two, but Fuller left much earlier. And Pushing Daisies only managed 22 episodes. And yeah, I miss that show. And Wonderfalls!

Frederik B, Monday, 22 June 2015 21:34 (four years ago) link

never saw wonderfalls. daisies was so good/fully realized in its style that it surpassed all my usual defenses against twee things - much like hannibal has a lot of ppl watching extremely violent horror who don't watch horror

mockingbird lane was a disastrous experiment though, idk what ever possessed him to think that was a good idea

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 21:37 (four years ago) link

never really been into checking out this dude's other shows because I figured there was something about this one that gelled for me

what should I check out if I search out another one?

Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 22 June 2015 21:43 (four years ago) link

i hope they planned ahead and wrap up with a definitive answer on who the Chesapeake Ripper is before the end of the season :-(

got bent (mild cheezed off vibes) (s.clover), Monday, 22 June 2015 21:45 (four years ago) link

xp pushing daisies would be my recommend, lotta ppl swear by dead like me though and they have similar vibes

definite parallels between Dany and Rachel Dolezal (slothroprhymes), Monday, 22 June 2015 21:46 (four years ago) link

Pushing Daisies is so great, and surprisingly morbid as well. The death count is prob not as high as in Hannibal, but it's up there!

Frederik B, Monday, 22 June 2015 21:46 (four years ago) link

Pushing Daisies is great but i can see it being overly sweet for some people. Wonderfalls was just great, though, really one of the strangest premises for a show ever done on a network, lotta unique stuff going on.

some dude, Monday, 22 June 2015 22:15 (four years ago) link

Oh man yeah Pushing Daisies was like eating a pound of Sweet and Low. So saccharine. I hated it.

I watched about 10 episodes of Dead Like Me and then forgot it existed. Maybe I'll try it again although the dynamic between the main character and Mandy Patinkin was tiresome.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Monday, 22 June 2015 23:02 (four years ago) link

lol sterling, I am never going to not laugh at that

Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 22 June 2015 23:27 (four years ago) link

american gods?? ugh, why

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 01:03 (four years ago) link

that was my initial thought, too. and on Starz of all places!

Upright Mammal (mh), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 03:01 (four years ago) link

The fight scene + topless Mads = great episode!!

Also, is Hannibal eating a fig when Verger asks Bloom how she tastes? LOL

tokyo rosemary, Friday, 3 July 2015 03:17 (four years ago) link

Oh nuts I forgot to watch this! Boo.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Friday, 3 July 2015 03:24 (four years ago) link

ps mads is in the new rihanna video which is super O_o

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 July 2015 04:24 (four years ago) link

rip Pazzi, barely knew ya

Upright Mammal (mh), Friday, 3 July 2015 16:59 (four years ago) link

Felt like an almost perfunctory thing considering it was exactly what happened in the book/film. Good turn to have Jack Crawford immediately wallop him.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Friday, 3 July 2015 17:01 (four years ago) link

Hannibal's little grin when he admits he called Verger's hotline just for fun was bewitching

Upright Mammal (mh), Friday, 3 July 2015 18:04 (four years ago) link

and Hannibal, for once, being seen in the act by Jack is such a great moment. cleaning off his knife, kind of glancing down at his friend seeing him as he really is

Upright Mammal (mh), Friday, 3 July 2015 18:06 (four years ago) link

"night and day must have been the same in the end" about Jack's wife

ties right back to Chiyo saying that night is a different world

Upright Mammal (mh), Friday, 3 July 2015 18:07 (four years ago) link

I am an episode behind but have we talked about how Joe Anderson has turned Mason Verger into Jim Carrey's Grinch

i hate it so much

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 5 July 2015 17:59 (four years ago) link

it's a bit... off
this season feels much more abstract and campy than in the past but still excellent

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 5 July 2015 18:11 (four years ago) link

I love this season so far. Really appreciate what the show has done with Hannibal's backstory. The "origin" of his cannibslism as depicted in Hannibal the book and Hannibal Rising was pretty silly and defanged the character somewhat.

I'm fine with Anderson as Verger, he seems to be having fun gnawing the scenery.

Hell Books (latebloomer), Monday, 6 July 2015 00:10 (four years ago) link

I am an episode behind but have we talked about how Joe Anderson has turned Mason Verger into Jim Carrey's Grinch

i hate it so much

― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, July 5, 2015 1:59 PM (9 hours ago)

otm.
his makeup sux too, i hate how the top half of his face is just normal handsome guy. gary oldman's verger in the movie was so grotesque and memorable and it seems like a weird lapse on the show's part to just do a pale imitation of him, especially after successfully reimagining so many other characters.

slam dunk, Monday, 6 July 2015 04:07 (four years ago) link

maybe he got his skin grafts in 2015 and the technology is just better now

tbh I am going to blame people for having watched a live action Dr. Seuss adaptation if that's in yr heads :)

Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 6 July 2015 14:15 (four years ago) link

http://99percentinvisible.org/episode/all-in-your-head/

^ episode about the guy who does the music for Hannibal and how he's fucking with us all.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Monday, 6 July 2015 14:31 (four years ago) link

imo Brian Reitzell has a pretty impressive resume outside of Hannibal!

Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 6 July 2015 15:28 (four years ago) link

all the Chiyoh + Will scenes are terrible - not sure whether it's the writing or the acting that's off but either way, feels like the show is dragging its feet a bit until Hannibal gets caught. Like what was the point of throwing Will out of the train again?

lol @ Mason Verger talking about Alana sucking Hannibal's dick though. show's ability to get off-colour jokes on network tv never fails to amuse.

the Kubrick homage during the Hannibal beatdown scene was a nice touch.

Roz, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 01:06 (four years ago) link

such a ridiculous joke and it's like the network didn't even pay attention

Upright Mammal (mh), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 01:37 (four years ago) link

i feel like i want to have gifs of about half of the exchanges in this show but with the characters adding BOOM to things at the end

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:48 (four years ago) link

This line from the most recent Previously TV recap cracked me up

Before I begin -- does anyone else think Joe Anderson's Mason Verger looks like a Greg Kinnear someone left on the radiator? Just me? Okay.

tokyo rosemary, Sunday, 12 July 2015 23:30 (four years ago) link

omg so otm

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 July 2015 23:37 (four years ago) link

amazon and netflix passed on this btw.

slam dunk, Monday, 13 July 2015 01:21 (four years ago) link

R I P

Spottie, Monday, 13 July 2015 01:32 (four years ago) link

cast released from contracts too

Clay, Monday, 13 July 2015 01:43 (four years ago) link

Not cool

like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 July 2015 07:58 (four years ago) link

can't wait until the reveal that they knew it was coming and Hannibal actually kills half the cast mid-season

Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 13 July 2015 14:05 (four years ago) link

lol

afaik they wrote this season's ending (as with all prior season endings) with the idea that it could be a final, closed ending. like if they'd gotten canceled last time around that wouldve been deeply awful but it sure as fuck would've been a concrete ending (i.e. "they're all fuckin dead i guess :[")

slothroprhymes, Monday, 13 July 2015 14:44 (four years ago) link

I'm really starting to wonder if there's anything to that roman diet Bedelia is on

Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 13 July 2015 14:56 (four years ago) link

i thought he was feeding her to eat her.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 13 July 2015 22:21 (four years ago) link

but maybe she just likes escargot

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 13 July 2015 22:21 (four years ago) link

yeah, I meant I wonder if it really does make meat taste better if you feed them that diet :D

Upright Mammal (mh), Tuesday, 14 July 2015 14:23 (four years ago) link

buried on Saturdays, effective immediately. that's just cruel.

velcoro pharmacy & provisions (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 03:14 (four years ago) link

Holy shit

A+ episode

latebloomer, Sunday, 19 July 2015 06:11 (four years ago) link

why was alana helping verger??

j., Monday, 20 July 2015 03:20 (four years ago) link

you guys i'm starting to think this show might be a little messed up

j., Monday, 20 July 2015 05:25 (four years ago) link

mason or margot?

she admitted she wanted hannibal to be located and hoped the fbi/jack would beat verger to the punch after watching hannibal squirm but eventually stopped short when she realized mason was about to get his revenge

Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 20 July 2015 22:59 (four years ago) link

And there was also an eel.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Monday, 20 July 2015 23:37 (four years ago) link

yes, and the eel

Upright Mammal (mh), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 00:01 (four years ago) link

Way to go, eel!!

Got Season 2 from the library so rewatching & catching up on episodes I missed.

tokyo rosemary, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 15:35 (four years ago) link

episodes six and seven seemed a remarkable step up, a falling into groove, idk. haha tho that apparently next week we're doing the police procedural thing again!!

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only worked out this week that 'cordell' is the guy from the last episodes of true detective

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i really liked mason verger's appearance in this because he reminds me of stephen king. also, i have v much enjoyed the higher image qualift i chose to watch this episode in

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What To Do With Jack seems like it was a big problem this season -- like, they didn't know if fishburne was coming back, i guess? he seemed: exciseable. why did the crooked italian cop lie to mason about his death? this seemed like an artifact of an earlier draft, or something, where his return would be more crucially timed--likewise, letting the audience see how chiyoh saving him played out before going back to maryland.

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intercutting between facial transplant / pig caesarean = maybe the most death metal what-are-we-looking-at moment yet, kudos

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what's with the book of equations hannibal was looking at?

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i wondered if they were going to have hannibal surrender himself--then he did! i also saw the pig thing coming, this was all p pleasingly predictable

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 15:39 (four years ago) link

it's, like, the best vertigo comic ever

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 15:39 (four years ago) link

i got the impression that the italian cop left his posse to take care of jack while he contacted verger's people, and he probably delivered the "got hannibal and graham, crawford is dead" message not knowing his lieutenants were killed.

on twitter, fuller mentioned the equations are hannibal trying to come up with a way to turn back time. don't think that was necessarily choreographed in the show and it was just a really unrealized artistic turn that i don't know fits, but it's poetic? guess he really wanted to unbreak that teacup.

Upright Mammal (mh), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 15:45 (four years ago) link

what like he's gonna eat an incidental fringe character and absorb their powers

j., Tuesday, 21 July 2015 15:50 (four years ago) link

it's, like, the best vertigo comic ever

― ♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:39 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That is so otm.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 15:53 (four years ago) link

You guys read Cleolinda's recaps on this show, right? She gets way deep into the symbolism, etc. They are so good. She had to stop halfway through last season, but has picked up this one and has the first two up. http://cleolinda.livejournal.com/

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 15:54 (four years ago) link

xps re equations they are him trying do determine a way, through like, astrophysics and other absurdly complicated math, for his dead sister mischa to come back to life in the world. its explicitly stated in the hannibal novel (along with the details of how mischa died and was eaten) and alluded to in much more subtle fashion here

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 15:55 (four years ago) link

if I really like this series should I read the books, and in what order?

Upright Mammal (mh), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 16:10 (four years ago) link

red dragon and silence of the lambs are solid, and you could really read them in any order.

hannibal is...ok for the most part, but it doubles down on the overwrought prose that is always a thomas harris issue and after the climax at the verger estate, which proceeds much as it does in the show but w/ clarice starling, it has a really perverse resolution that really makes zero sense.

as for hannibal rising, don't even try. its so blatantly a boat payment book and i didnt finish it

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 16:15 (four years ago) link

haven't read any of them but my understanding is silence's success as a film kinda warped harris as a writer and that only red dragon and silence of the lambs are worth reading but that they are very much worth reading

balls, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 16:18 (four years ago) link

like he's a great plotter, comes up with intriguing villains that have tastes in art/music prob very similar to harris's own, and clarice starling is a justly iconic character even just as her book self (in silence, at least), but in addition to his prose problems he also can't write dialogue for shit unless it comes out of lecter's mouth

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 16:20 (four years ago) link

xp thats basically accurate. he sold movie rights to both hannibal and hannibal rising before either manuscript was even close to finished and doesnt seem to give much of a shit about writing

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 16:21 (four years ago) link

Agree re: Red Dragon, which I read recently because of this series and enjoyed. I read Silence of the Lambs in college and it scared the bejesus out of me, even though I'd already seen and developed a deep and abiding love of the movie at that point.

from batman to balloon dog (carl agatha), Tuesday, 21 July 2015 17:53 (four years ago) link

yeah the first i heard of him was all my fellow stephen king fan friends telling me i had to read it, it was the scariest thing they've ever read, and me being all 'i don't read stephen king anymore, i only read KAFKA now'

balls, Tuesday, 21 July 2015 18:07 (four years ago) link

i got the impression that the italian cop left his posse to take care of jack while he contacted verger's people, and he probably delivered the "got hannibal and graham, crawford is dead" message not knowing his lieutenants were killed.

but--verger talks as if unaware that it was his mook and not hannibal that (didn't) kill jack

i read a couple of those livejournal recaps someone linked to and man, huh, people sure put a lot of effort into watching television these days

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 03:03 (four years ago) link

bookwise i think red dragon is p bad -- does a poor job of handling dolarhyde's vaguely dis-associative / schizophrenic issues in a way that feels like i've seen/read it a million times -- though i think reading it in like 2014 probably influenced that, i think at the time it was maybe more novel

silence of the lambs is fantastic though

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 03:06 (four years ago) link

one narrow question, one broad one:

i. why was chiyoh standing there with the gun at the end of the episode, other than to make her more of a mysterious unknowable extra factor? whom might she have shot?
ii. does hannibal (the version in the show) have an ethics?

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Wednesday, 22 July 2015 03:07 (four years ago) link

just got caught up on the last two eps, this show is so funny and fun and perverse
when they cut to a toyota ad it's just so jarring

you are extreme, Patti LuPone. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 25 July 2015 03:40 (four years ago) link

The first time we see Margot we also see... the eel!!!

tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 25 July 2015 23:41 (four years ago) link

I notice that Will holds his fork and knife English/European style rather than American style.

tokyo rosemary, Saturday, 25 July 2015 23:42 (four years ago) link

i mean, hugh dancy is english, right

man i do not like will's family much

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 26 July 2015 07:18 (four years ago) link

oh well, 50/50 they're dead by the end

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 26 July 2015 07:19 (four years ago) link

that was sort of a letdown, much as i enjoyed the 'three years later' title card

was hoping for a nonsensical 'we have got to stop meeting like this' at the end, tbh

♛ LIL UNIT ♛ (thomp), Sunday, 26 July 2015 07:38 (four years ago) link

yeah this was a really beautifully executed version of a much less interesting version of this show, I miss the complete batshitness of the first half already, though I'm sure there's great stuff to come

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 26 July 2015 08:02 (four years ago) link

agree w/that. this is back to the semi-procedural format of the first season, almost, though still weirder in style than those early episodes. and the guy playing dolarhyde is really good.

extremely lag∞n postings voice (slothroprhymes), Sunday, 26 July 2015 22:59 (four years ago) link

I am glad Scott Thompson is back

Upright Mammal (mh), Sunday, 26 July 2015 23:02 (four years ago) link

Scott Thompson funny but terrible wooden actor. I'm glad they're in "Red Dragon"-land now :)

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 27 July 2015 18:30 (four years ago) link

I'm watching some of the season 2 commentary, and the social worker in the horse is also the voice of Mickey Mouse???

tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 29 July 2015 02:18 (four years ago) link

hahaha what

Upright Mammal (mh), Thursday, 30 July 2015 21:11 (four years ago) link

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0224565/?ref_=tt_cl_t9

tokyo rosemary, Sunday, 2 August 2015 15:26 (four years ago) link

He was very funny in Silicon Valley

latebloomer, Sunday, 2 August 2015 19:05 (four years ago) link

found this week's a bit boring tbh

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 2 August 2015 20:00 (four years ago) link

Red Draggin'

slam dunk, Sunday, 9 August 2015 04:27 (four years ago) link

honestly this whole back half has been pretty meh to me after the insanity of the European half. I guess it doesn't help that I just don't find Dolarhyde that interesting, at least in this incarnation. And the flashbacks seem really pointless - answering questions I didn't really care for getting the answers to.

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 9 August 2015 05:17 (four years ago) link

it just makes me want to watch Red Dragon again. the sets/staging of the dolarhyde stuff is very similar. they even got a guy that looks like ralph fiennes' stunt double to play him.

i think i'm that movie's biggest fan. so watchable! a ridiculously overqualified cast having fun in total trash, like The Paperboy but not boring.

slam dunk, Monday, 10 August 2015 00:22 (four years ago) link

nah rewatch Manhunter

Upright Mammal (mh), Monday, 10 August 2015 00:33 (four years ago) link

red dragon is shockingly ok for a brett ratner movie, like it lacks all the things that make his movies awful w the exception of a few dumbing-down moments (the "sweetbreads" note that hannibal would never put in a book in the opening scene), cast is solid, even the blatant padding of hannibal's role in the story ain't bad

slothroprhymes, Monday, 10 August 2015 01:05 (four years ago) link

like I almost wonder if it was ghost-directed somehow

that said manhunter is obv a better movie just not as in sync with the hannibal canon such as it is

slothroprhymes, Monday, 10 August 2015 01:06 (four years ago) link

I like how this is going.

I forgot how freaky it is that the dude ate the painting. He ate it up! Also I remain weirded out by Bedelia.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 03:24 (four years ago) link

I miss Alana's dresses.

tokyo rosemary, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 03:26 (four years ago) link

Yeah, but her new hair style, though.

Also she looks pretty fabulous in pant suits.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 03:28 (four years ago) link

it's a travesty how much they've thrown this away. 10pm on saturday with no advertising or even next week previews.

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 03:49 (four years ago) link

confession: i got 5+ episodes behind & gave up

every episode I watched this season made me feel like i had suffered a head injury, i couldn't follow what was happening :(

i will circle back eventually

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 04:11 (four years ago) link

The second half of the season is completely different from the first, fwiw. Much more straightforward. (I vastly prefer the first half but I seem to be in the minority on this.)

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 04:13 (four years ago) link

oh no i totally agree with that.

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 04:25 (four years ago) link

this half is fun though

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 04:26 (four years ago) link

I have def seen a lot of people relieved to get the "old" Hannibal back after the "pretentious/artsy" first half which I find insane. Way more into the Lynch/Greenaway/del Toro hybrid nightmare factory. I am v curious to see where these last two eps go, though.

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 04:32 (four years ago) link

batshit pt. 1 and well-executed less batshit pt. 2 are both great in their own ways, first half was way more an ambitious high-wire act. I feel less urgency with this 2nd half, like I was taking the time to watch the first half episodes right when they aired whereas now I catch up days after the fact

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 18 August 2015 04:46 (four years ago) link

I can definitely enjoy pt. 2 but it's a pretty, graceful version of a familiar set of ideas/relationships, whereas throughout pt. 1 I was constantly marveling at the fact that it was produced and aired at all

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Tuesday, 18 August 2015 05:18 (four years ago) link

dolarhyde in the graham's house was really excellent. great suspense setpiece. although it's one of the few times that i wish the show didn't have so much score.

slam dunk, Thursday, 20 August 2015 02:49 (four years ago) link

It was! I actually had to turn it off because I was watching it at night alone and it was giving me the jim jams.

carl agatha, Thursday, 20 August 2015 03:09 (four years ago) link

Oh, Chilton.

tokyo rosemary, Sunday, 23 August 2015 03:02 (four years ago) link

https://twitter.com/GillianA/status/637730302824026113

sez 'make sure to watch past the credits'

j., Saturday, 29 August 2015 21:11 (three years ago) link

this is still airing mid-week in canada or something and i've been cheating and downloading it

can't wait for you guys to catch up

μpright mammal (mh), Saturday, 29 August 2015 22:35 (three years ago) link

I cheated because it was pre-empted by football and there was no indication anywhere if and when they were going to air it.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Sunday, 30 August 2015 01:25 (three years ago) link

I totally forgot Siouxsie was going to be involved.

tokyo rosemary, Sunday, 30 August 2015 03:09 (three years ago) link

That finale really underlined for me that 3A was sort of an insane masterpiece and 3B was an excessively fan-service-y OK thing.

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 30 August 2015 03:46 (three years ago) link

moving the Murder Husbands stuff from subtext to text cost the show a lot (for me anyway)

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Sunday, 30 August 2015 04:00 (three years ago) link

I believe they call it... a mic drop.

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 30 August 2015 04:13 (three years ago) link

that is a tremendous seitz piece

finally watched the finale. as an end to everything - which we can only assume it is at this point - it was maybe a little less than i'd hoped for but as close to a final chapter as was possible.

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 15:21 (three years ago) link

*to a proper final chapter

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 15:21 (three years ago) link

if it has to end, I'd rather it do so with Hannibal being out in the world being possible

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 15:22 (three years ago) link

yeah agreed

are we to assume, btw, at the very end that bedelia cut off her own leg to attract hannibal, or that this is way later, and he got out and did it and is about to dine on that shit? guessing the former, and honestly that's the considerably more fucked up possibility so i dig it

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 15:30 (three years ago) link

whaaat

no, obviously it's meant to be later and he's tracked her down and prepared her leg for dinner

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 15:33 (three years ago) link

aw man

i mean, yeah, hannibal doing it is the most logical conclusion, given what happens to gideon in the first episode of s3, i just figured my alternate was possible given how bazonkers the show is, and given that will has attempted to lure hannibal to him in various ways i figured that could be a super grand guignol version of that? idk

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 15:55 (three years ago) link

I don't think she really wanted to lure Hannibal in? She did disapprove of Will's plan in that she suspected Hannibal would somehow escape and make it out in the world, which meant he'd come for her eventually. She doesn't actually want to die.

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 15:56 (three years ago) link

yeah, i had a very different take on that
that she had internalized hannibal as old testament divine retribution for her own evil and had prepared her own leg as a peace offering and a show of like minded faith in exchange for her life but he's gone and she doesn't know it
so she's waiting forever at the table, driven mad out of fear and guilt and hannibal's reach extends beyond his (presumed) death
a "no happy endings" balance for offing hannibal and will after the menage a trois

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:12 (three years ago) link

good take

really, it's more existential if the show never returns, if it does, it's literal and a sign of life after the cliff tumble

μpright mammal (mh), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:14 (three years ago) link

so she's waiting forever at the table, driven mad out of fear and guilt and hannibal's reach extends beyond his (presumed) death

this is a fascinating thought! much more considered than my take

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:23 (three years ago) link

xp well the slow pan over the cliff to reveal... nothing... gives them a safe out if they ever find someone willing to give the cast/creatives the money to pick back up the pieces and reset

if they DID continue, i could see bedelia having copped to being lecter's accomplice and living a one legged life in the same asylum for the criminally insane as hannibal and maybe channeling his ghost?

there was noise that the next step for a future season was to remake silence of the lambsbut that NBC didn't want to foot the bill for rights for Starling? given that the second half of S3 was a reshoot (in some cases verbatim!) of red dragon that imo greatly improved it, i wouldn't mind if they ultimately landed there on Starz or Vimeo in three years. basically all would be forgiven no matter how they reboot if I get more of this level of auteuristic, campy, genius/batshittery.

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:26 (three years ago) link

quick look around online suggests that my read is not supported by Fuller though:

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/hannibal-finale-season-4-movie-revival-ending-spoilers-1201581424/

And yet it still feels like a little bit of a surprise at the end. [The post-credits scene with Bedelia] was very intentionally setting up another season of the story … essentially saying that Hannibal could’ve survived.

that the show was surreal and meaty enough to reasonably support such drastically different takes is part of what made it special

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:30 (three years ago) link

That finale really underlined for me that 3A was sort of an insane masterpiece and 3B was an excessively fan-service-y OK thing.

― the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Saturday, August 29, 2015 11:46 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean...it was closer to a straight adaptation of the original source material than the rest of the series but i don't recall any wish fulfillment twists or meta winks to the camera that would qualify it as 'fan service.'

some dude, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:32 (three years ago) link

the show played with the viewer's head about whether someone was dead or alive with, what, 3 or 4 major characters? the ambiguity of the ending is totally part of the show's M.O.

some dude, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:33 (three years ago) link

i forget exactly why they couldnt do clarice starling and basically subbed in miriam lass for her as a tangential character. i think it has something to do w/ the studio behind SOTL (orion) having folded and been absorbed by MGM, which is not exactly known as generous with its intellectual property, and it has the rights to the character in a way that harris, as the author, apparently does not.

(xps forks)

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:38 (three years ago) link

Fuller said pretty recently that if they did later seasons without getting rights to the Silence story, they'd find some way to get around it with a 'Shmarice Shmarling' stand-in character...i never got the sense that it would be Miriam, although i guess there are enough things shared by those characters that it could work.

some dude, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:42 (three years ago) link

well here's Fuller again from that (very very recent) Variety piece about one of the directions he wanted to go

Hannibal also made Alana (Caroline Dhavernas) a fairly ominous promise about her future, leading her to take Margot (Katharine Isabelle) and their son and get the hell out of dodge, proving she’s pretty much the only sensible person on the show. Did you foresee Hannibal keeping that promise in season four, or for Alana and Margot to live happily ever after?

It certainly was going to be a part of season four, and I actually was really excited about exploring the Margot/Alana relationship and how they were going to dismantle all of the Verger slaughterhouses and turn them humane. She was going to completely undo the evils of her family with Alana, like a Joan Crawford sitting at PepsiCo’s table saying “don’t f–k with me, fellas.” I was really excited about that story for Alana and Margot and seeing more of them, and also seeing what it would be like for them to realize that Hannibal might be coming back into their orbit.

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:46 (three years ago) link

xp oh, i dont think it'd be her, i figure she's locked up for trying to blow dr. chilton's brains out in s2

slothroprhymes, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 16:48 (three years ago) link

Poor Chilton.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 8 September 2015 20:54 (three years ago) link

http://not-my-supervisor.tumblr.com/

Hannibal + Archer

tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 9 September 2015 00:53 (three years ago) link

don't recall any wish fulfillment twists or meta winks to the camera that would qualify it as 'fan service.'

I'm specifically referring to the way the show might as well have literally been called Murder Husbands by the last few eps

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Wednesday, 9 September 2015 01:03 (three years ago) link

Pretty impressive Wendigo cosplay from Dragon Con - http://rokkitgirl.tumblr.com/post/128674645730/for-anyone-interested-in-how-this-monster-goes-on

carl agatha, Friday, 11 September 2015 16:09 (three years ago) link

So I'm just catching up on season 2 now that it's on Amazon Instant and I have the time and inclination to sit down and do it, and I can't stop thinking about what the writers have done in S2E9 ("Shiizakana"). Of course the show is constantly referencing and cutting and pasting and remixing bits of the Harris books, in ways that often play on audiences' knowledge of them, but this one felt really referential in a different way to previous episodes. Is it just me, or did this one (with the bearsuit guy) seem like a really strange, possibly poorly judged response to the side-eye Silence of the Lambs gets for its treatment of trans issues? The killer is described as suffering from a "bodily dysphoria," and- what seemed like a big tell for me, anyway- see the repeated use of the word "savage" or "savagery" (cf that cringeworthy moment in Silence where Lecter says Buffalo Bill's "pathology is a thousand times more savage and terrifying" than that of a trans woman). But also there's this correspondence with the main arc of Red Dragon, where Lecter sics a killer who uses a set of teeth to mutilate his victims on Will Graham and his family (the part of "family" being played this evening by ADORABLE PUPPIES)?

I'm too tired to make much more of this right now, but god damn, man, this show. THIS SHOW.

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Friday, 25 September 2015 03:40 (three years ago) link

six months pass...

hugh dancy interview supporting the path:

I could not get off the phone with you without asking if there is any hope for some sort of Hannibal revival — a movie, a short series, anything?

I saw Bryan Fuller just the other day, and I think he has a very specific idea. And he’s obviously a very busy man, but I think he has a very specific idea of how he’d like to go about doing it. I think definitely the hope is alive.

A lot of people are asking you about Hannibal coming back. Do you even want to get back to that character, or do you feel like you’ve already said your goodbyes?

No, no, no, I wouldn’t say the thing about hope sarcastically… And I think, if anything, maybe everyone would benefit from a few years away. In terms of the storyline, from what Bryan has shared with me about what he might have done in a fourth season — he might even do a fourth season, actually — the idea of dropping out for a few years wouldn’t be a bad thing. I mean, who knows? But it would be nice.

somehow was not aware that fuller is doing the star trek tv reboot

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 29 March 2016 16:13 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

just finished s 3. wild ride. i was really into the surrealism of the first half and thought the ending was p perfect. verger almost ruined it for me tho

Spottie, Tuesday, 7 June 2016 18:35 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

i just started watching this and i'm already in the middle of season two. i couldn't tell if i liked it at first, and the csi: serial killers aspects of the production grated, but the middle of season two is masterfully created and sustained tension. this is definitely one of my favorite shows ever

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Monday, 11 July 2016 16:41 (three years ago) link

last few eps of s2->first half of s3 is an amazing run imo

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 11 July 2016 17:01 (three years ago) link

yeah if this is already one of ur fave shows ever mid-s2 then bruhh ur in for some stuff

r|t|c, Monday, 11 July 2016 17:14 (three years ago) link

:D

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Monday, 11 July 2016 17:26 (three years ago) link

imo, on rewatching, S1 is a lot more even than it may initially seem, it's just that you're into the style by the time S2 rolls around

the S2 finale is, even after having seen it before, insane. so much so that parts of the beginning of S3 are devoted to unraveling everything that happened offscreen because it's worth further examination

mh, Monday, 11 July 2016 18:04 (three years ago) link

ok yeah the season two finale

woof

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 12:46 (three years ago) link

emotionally traumatizing

mh, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 15:59 (three years ago) link

yeah last half of season two/first half of season three lived up to what y'all said, they really sustained that feeling of unreality. excited to get into the red dragon stuff if a little sad that it's obv going to snap back into more terrestrial rhythms

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:31 (three years ago) link

it doesn't trust me

woke-ing class zero (s.clover), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:42 (three years ago) link

oh thank god

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 21:58 (three years ago) link

there are a few moments where you think life might return for what passes as normal

they're fleeting

mh, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 00:04 (three years ago) link

btw now that i have the full context for my friend's puppet-oriented hannibal recaps they are even more delightful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Z8SdC4AnI

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 03:08 (three years ago) link

imo instead of joe anderson they should've replaced michael pitt verger with that puppet

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 July 2016 03:09 (three years ago) link

appreciating these silly recaps

mh, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 15:05 (three years ago) link

I'd also recommend the gag reels/outtakes from the different Hannibal seasons if you need some levity or just want to see the actors goofing on set. There's something about seeing Mikkelsen in character as an incredibly meticulous Hannibal juxtaposed with a shot of him completely forgetting how to tie a tie that's hilarious

mh, Wednesday, 20 July 2016 15:41 (three years ago) link

imo this was a great show about the power of friendship

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:02 (three years ago) link

I love the puppet hannibal recaps and I would like to pay the man to do all my favorite shows please.

poolboy skew (voodoo chili), Friday, 22 July 2016 01:13 (three years ago) link

friendship, romance, murder, the blurring boundaries therein

mh, Friday, 22 July 2016 01:18 (three years ago) link

I recently again saw Bryan Fuller's gleeful tweet about how they got "button stitching" past the censors. Classic censor-dodging.

mh, Friday, 22 July 2016 01:19 (three years ago) link

I loved those puppet recaps!!

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 22 July 2016 13:12 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Just watched all of this in about three days

Never changed username before (cardamon), Tuesday, 20 September 2016 10:05 (two years ago) link

I wasn't quite sure what we were meant to infer (in S3) about what happened with Hannibal and Mischa

Apart from that and a few killers of the week being a bit corny, what a show

Never changed username before (cardamon), Tuesday, 20 September 2016 13:07 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I'm not usually sensitive to stuff like this, but what those final couple of episodes with Chilton... man, really disturbing. That might have shaken me more than anything I've ever seen on television.

Evan R, Monday, 17 October 2016 18:51 (two years ago) link

That was the leg? Or did he get skinned?

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 17 October 2016 19:18 (two years ago) link

His lips being bitten off. Then the rest of his face being burned off.

Evan R, Monday, 17 October 2016 19:35 (two years ago) link

the lips biting off was def hard on the eyes

Spottie, Monday, 17 October 2016 19:36 (two years ago) link

iirc that sequence was very specifically lit/designed to not upset censors

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 05:08 (two years ago) link

It's a sign of how few people were watching that nobody was upset about it

Evan R, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 13:14 (two years ago) link

seven months pass...

http://www.splitscreensfestival.com/event/hannibal-the-wrath-of-the-lamb/

Thu Jun 8, 2017, 9:00 PM | IFC Center

A special theatrical screening of the finale of NBC’s “Hannibal,” a nightmare fantasy from Bryan Fuller (Pushing Daisies) that reinterpreted Thomas Harris’ novels through the eyes of an expressionist, polymorphous sensualist. Reworking much of the plot of Harris’ Red Dragon, but in a more hallucinatory way than in earlier film versions, the finale builds to an orgiastic release of pent-up intellectual and sexual energy so intense that viewers may need a cigarette and a towel afterward.

Fuller will join the audience via Skype to discuss the finale, the legacy of his cult classic, his new Starz series American Gods, and what a hypothetical fourth season of “Hannibal” would look like. A panel of New York-based Fannibals will discuss the legacy of the show, including its impact on popular art.

In person: Leila Taylor, Creative Director at the Brooklyn Public Library; novelist Rob Hart (New Yorked, The Woman from Prague); composer Matt Marks of Alarm Will Sound; illustrator and author Janice Poon, food stylist for Hannibal and author of Feeding Hannibal; Dr. Lori Morimoto, independent scholar of fan studies; (via Skype) Hannibal creator and executive producer Bryan Fuller.

uh, HELLOOOOOOO

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 29 May 2017 03:16 (two years ago) link

please attend and report back

mh, Monday, 29 May 2017 17:59 (two years ago) link

Am planning to!

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Monday, 29 May 2017 18:51 (two years ago) link

Janice Poon is amazing, she did a blog about her food styling for Hannibal

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 29 May 2017 19:25 (two years ago) link

and a book

mh, Monday, 29 May 2017 19:40 (two years ago) link

I know because I apparently preordered it
and forgot it was a thing until I found it in my mailbox

mh, Monday, 29 May 2017 19:41 (two years ago) link

:D

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 29 May 2017 19:50 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

I've read most of this thread (up to the end of where I am on the show, end of season 2). I can't believe all this blood was on NBC; it makes us giggle every time there are uber violent slashings.

I should go back and rewatch Wonderfalls. I think I tried when it was on but it didn't grab me. I may be in the minority where the character of Alana Bloom grates on me.

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 13:25 (five months ago) link

gasp

j., Tuesday, 12 March 2019 13:37 (five months ago) link

yeah, I've been rooting for her to die. I just keep saying "why is this character so thirsty."

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 13:40 (five months ago) link

I'd be interested in knowing how much gore was reinstated for the DVDs because, yes, this show is stunningly graphic.

Just remembered that I never actually finished the series because binging all three seasons in one straight shot became incredibly oppressive at a point. Almost unquestionably the darkest show ever aired on network television.

Goody Rickels on the Dime (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 13:44 (five months ago) link

AFAIK the DVD edits aren't any different? The episodes as originally aired were unbelievably violent

Simon H., Tuesday, 12 March 2019 13:48 (five months ago) link

iirc alana has a slight character shift in season 3 that is incredibly excellent

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 13:53 (five months ago) link

I think I am going to finish all three seasons in 3 weeks (netflix in south america). I don't know. All the gore with the blaséness of Hannibal and the ridiculousness of some situations gives it levity. I didn't read any of the books and have only seen SilenceotL.
It reminds me of The Cell a bit although I haven't seen that since it was in the theaters.

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 13:54 (five months ago) link

LIke the season 2 finale was so extreme we both were laughing.

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 13:55 (five months ago) link

Brad otm

mh, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 15:00 (five months ago) link

I think the only major change from the tv release is the inclusion of an episode they left out? The one with Molly Shannon (?) in the first season was pulled due to current events involving child murderers.

mh, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 15:02 (five months ago) link

Alana isn't much of a character really but I like Dhavernas a lot

Simon H., Tuesday, 12 March 2019 15:03 (five months ago) link

I thought she was miscast, but then I saw upthread that she was in Wonderfalls so that makes sense now.

I am really glad that they went with Mads over David Tennant. I liked Tennant as the villain in Jessica Jones but his presence is completely different.

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 15:06 (five months ago) link

Wonderfalls is great, and Dhavernas is very different on it.

The murders on this show were so insanely over the top. The totem pole of corpses, the angel wings, the mushroom people!

Roz, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 15:20 (five months ago) link

I really liked the first couple of seasons of Vikings so the blood eagle (angel wings) was very familiar.

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 15:34 (five months ago) link

the imagery in the grain silo episodes was amazing

mh, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 15:35 (five months ago) link

I've been enjoying this twitter account lately: https://twitter.com/madsdoingthings

Mads is a ridiculous person.

Roz, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 15:38 (five months ago) link

I have a friend who admitted she was more interested in Hugh Dancy and his portrayal of Will over Mads

she is dead to me now

mh, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 15:40 (five months ago) link

I am going to waste so much time today on that twitter.

Hugh Dancy is fine. Ugh imagine if it was him and David Tennant. Much too similar.

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 15:44 (five months ago) link

^^oh god no. Yeah that just wouldn't work at all.

Roz, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 15:46 (five months ago) link

http://www.splitscreensfestival.com/event/hannibal-the-wrath-of-the-lamb/

Thu Jun 8, 2017, 9:00 PM | IFC Center


this was great fun btw, i'm kicking myself for not posting about it afterward so i can look back on specifics. Hannibal fans are nerdy and awesome.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 16:45 (five months ago) link

Excuse me, I think you mean Fannibals.

tokyo rosemary, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:01 (five months ago) link

There was an early ep of someone encased in a beehive and/or treetrunk iirc? The practical makeup effects for that was breathtaking

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:50 (five months ago) link

That was the episode with Amanda Plummer doing lobotomies.

Yerac, Tuesday, 12 March 2019 17:52 (five months ago) link

xxp i stan corrected

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 18:03 (five months ago) link

just remembered that this video existed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IjIu9RoWek

Neus Anneus (voodoo chili), Saturday, 16 March 2019 15:53 (five months ago) link

All done. It was great. I might rewatch it all again at the end of the year.

Also, ^^^ I would totally watch them in a show called "Murder Husbands: no subtext"

Yerac, Sunday, 17 March 2019 01:59 (five months ago) link

how’d you like the scene where Gillian’s character finds out (or the audience is clued into) who was traditionally fed the diet she’s been on?

mh, Sunday, 17 March 2019 04:38 (five months ago) link

I loved almost all of the trippy first half of S3. I did like Alanna more too. During the kaleidoscope Alanna/Margot scene I said "Oh, they got some payoff for casting two actresses who look a lot alike."

Gah, all of it was so cinematic and darkly funny, I adored it. ( I did start to get a little annoyed at the very metered dialogue though, especially in the Gillian Anderson scenes, but it let me look at her hair more).

Yerac, Sunday, 17 March 2019 14:25 (five months ago) link

I am sad it's over.
I did say in the first half of season one that they were so in love with each other. Killing Eve really does a good job of playing with that too.

Yerac, Sunday, 17 March 2019 14:29 (five months ago) link

hadn't occurred to me but killing eve kinda is hannibal lite

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 17 March 2019 18:54 (five months ago) link

did you just smell me?

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Sunday, 17 March 2019 20:14 (five months ago) link

did you just smell me?

totally read this in Sandra Oh's voice lol

Roz, Monday, 18 March 2019 11:21 (five months ago) link

four weeks pass...

just finished season two in my rewatch!!!!! that last episode is still life-ruining

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 15 April 2019 02:40 (four months ago) link

it really is

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 15 April 2019 03:00 (four months ago) link

i'm watching it with my roommate and after we finished the penultimate episode i said "this show has everything! michael pitt eating his own face... everything."

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 15 April 2019 03:07 (four months ago) link

Real want to rewatch this again right away, but am trying to let more time pass. Now that I know the shape of the characters, it will be different enough viewing.

And xpost above, I liked Alana a lot more in the 3rd season.

Yerac, Monday, 15 April 2019 13:15 (four months ago) link

rewatch revealed to me that i like alana throughout, although i think it's unfortunate they pair her with hannibal for little reason other than how gross and horrible it is (the dual sex scene however makes it worth it??? i think)

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 15 April 2019 13:17 (four months ago) link

there are a lot of things about season two i'd consider individually weak (some of the serial killers of the week especially sociopathic social worker vs. stable guy sewing dead people into horses; how it takes two full episodes to introduce mason (???)) but the writing and the long game the show is playing make them work

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 15 April 2019 13:20 (four months ago) link

i enjoyed thinking of hannibal as the showrunner of season two, throwing people who had absolutely nothing to do with each other (will/margot/mason) into a weird dramatic plot device about pregnancy. hannibal also casts himself in will graham's role at the very start of the season, so he's basically the writer/director/star of this particular vortex of killings anyway

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 15 April 2019 13:23 (four months ago) link

There should be absolutely no ??? about whether the dual sex scene was worth it.

Yerac, Monday, 15 April 2019 13:50 (four months ago) link

sociopathic social worker vs. stable guy

I enjoyed that episode but I'm also a fan of Jeremy Davies doing Jeremy Davies types of characters

mh, Monday, 15 April 2019 13:57 (four months ago) link

There should be absolutely no ??? about whether the dual sex scene was worth it.

― Yerac, Monday, April 15, 2019 6:50 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's one of the finest scenes in the show

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 15 April 2019 15:23 (four months ago) link

No one ever made out in a pool of blood did they?

Yerac, Monday, 15 April 2019 15:30 (four months ago) link

Hannibal’s response to the human muralist killer in the grain silo never fails to make me laugh

Killer: There is no god
Hannibal: Certainly not with that attitude

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 04:31 (four months ago) link

hee

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 05:12 (four months ago) link

We should do an ilx group rewatch of this over some holiday.

Yerac, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 12:45 (four months ago) link

easter

j., Tuesday, 16 April 2019 13:41 (four months ago) link

he is risen and would like some sherry

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 15:15 (four months ago) link

I was thinking the month of December for the holidays, but I guess that is far off. I think my spouse would get mildly worried if I rewatched it right after we finished.

Yerac, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 15:49 (four months ago) link

I kind of can't believe but am thankful that EW listed every outfit Hannibal wore.

https://ew.com/article/2015/08/29/everything-hannibal-wore-hannibal/

Yerac, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 15:51 (four months ago) link

the first half of season three is exactly as wonderful as i remembered. i know this show is stylistic overflow all the time but the dialogue is straight up beautiful writing at this point

also the abigail fake-out got me all over again

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 26 April 2019 01:34 (three months ago) link

definitely my favorite television show of all time

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 26 April 2019 01:36 (three months ago) link

yeah that section is my fave stretch of the whole show probably

Simon H., Friday, 26 April 2019 01:52 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

hannibal = frasier
will = niles
crawford = dad
alana bloom = roz
freddie = daphne moon

will's dogs = eddie

mark s, Monday, 15 July 2019 19:35 (one month ago) link

sir, how dare you.

Yerac, Monday, 15 July 2019 19:42 (one month ago) link

gillian anderson = lilith

mark s, Monday, 15 July 2019 19:47 (one month ago) link

lol i mean dr bedelia du maurier

mark s, Monday, 15 July 2019 19:49 (one month ago) link

I might be misremembering, but I think that one episode where Norm came to town ended with Frasier coercing him into fileting his own face?

Logy Psycho (Old Lunch), Monday, 15 July 2019 19:49 (one month ago) link

lol @ bedelia as lilith

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 15 July 2019 20:04 (one month ago) link

i mean only the dogs don't work really

mark s, Monday, 15 July 2019 20:05 (one month ago) link

lol this thread just took a right turn straight into the bin

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 16 July 2019 04:49 (one month ago) link

I need someone to mark this thread as safe once this incident is over.

Yerac, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 09:15 (one month ago) link

i cleared up the case by getting inside yr heads

mark s, Tuesday, 16 July 2019 09:16 (one month ago) link


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