Steve Jobs RIP 1955-2011

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AP confirms with Apple: http://twitter.com/AP/statuses/121730495347294208

max, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:40 (ten years ago) link

wow. rip.

Daniel, Esq., Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:41 (ten years ago) link

CUPERTINO, Calif., Oct 05, 2011 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- We are deeply saddened to announce that Steve Jobs passed away today.

Steve's brilliance, passion and energy were the source of countless innovations that enrich and improve all of our lives. The world is immeasurably better because of Steve.

His greatest love was for his wife, Laurene, and his family. Our hearts go out to them and to all who were touched by his extraordinary gifts.

joe, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:43 (ten years ago) link

Well damn.

And of course I learn about it via an iPhone.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:44 (ten years ago) link

Whoa. RIP.

emil.y, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:44 (ten years ago) link

damn. how sad. rip.

sonderangerbot, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:44 (ten years ago) link

FUCK

markers, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:45 (ten years ago) link

r.i.p. steve :(

Clay, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:45 (ten years ago) link

a tribute here too: http://www.apple.com/stevejobs/

joe, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:45 (ten years ago) link

FUCK FUCK FUCK

markers, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:45 (ten years ago) link

heaven needed a blue backdrop and an angel in a black turtleneck standing before it

omar little, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:47 (ten years ago) link

Wow. RIP.

NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:47 (ten years ago) link

this was hardly unforseen but it seems really momentous to me in a way that few celeb deaths really do, RIP

guh (jjjusten), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:47 (ten years ago) link

(no offense bert jansch)

guh (jjjusten), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:47 (ten years ago) link

hmmm

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:47 (ten years ago) link

local ABC affiliate broke into "Jeopardy" for a special report -- the anchor did a whole like 30 second intro about "the passing of a man who has changed the way we all live our lives" before saying who actually died so it was weirdly anticlimactic like oh really ok. i mean i know he's pretty famous but kinda surprises me how much they built it up.

nəverDirty (some dude), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:49 (ten years ago) link

Jjj otm. Shouldn't feel as sad as it does. RIP.

Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:49 (ten years ago) link

*bites tongue*

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:49 (ten years ago) link

i mean RIP obviously, ilu and everything your company makes mr. jobs (xpost)

nəverDirty (some dude), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:49 (ten years ago) link

RIP. An amazing aesthetic and business life.

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:50 (ten years ago) link

CBS just cut in for special report. Woah at that first Mac ad with the sledgehammer through the screen.

I just got back from a dream attack (sunny successor), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:51 (ten years ago) link

takin' them New Balance shoes to Buddhist iHeaven

Miles "Tails" Davis (King Boy Pato), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:51 (ten years ago) link

RIP Big Guy.

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:51 (ten years ago) link

See, I don't get the sad thing (I rarely do with celebrity deaths), but I totally get the momentous thing.

(a few xposts)

emil.y, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:52 (ten years ago) link

willy wonka :(

remy bean, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:52 (ten years ago) link

emil.y otm

thistle supporter (mcoll), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:53 (ten years ago) link

See, I don't get the sad thing (I rarely do with celebrity deaths), but I totally get the momentous thing.

I agree with this btw. xp

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:53 (ten years ago) link

RIP

also, might be symbolic

nostormo, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:54 (ten years ago) link

Sad as hell (and way too early, obviously) but this dude racked up far more than a lifetime's worth of world-changing achievements. Hopefully the overwhelming tragedy of all this is balanced by just how much he got done.

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:54 (ten years ago) link

Wow. A good deal of my friends here have worked under him in some capacity, so this is so weird. RIP

kinder, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:54 (ten years ago) link

this was hardly unforseen but it seems really momentous to me in a way that few celeb deaths really do, RIP

otm

the world in which I live & the world in which I work bear evidence of his importance - literally every day I'm doing stuff I'd be doing differently had he not lived. also, cancer is a fucking brutal horrible thing and this guy should have lived a lot longer so that's salt in the wound.

pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:54 (ten years ago) link

Yeah prob not sad, but R6 have been banging the John Peel drum for a while and this was just thing to set me off. I want to go and watch Toy Story now tbh.

Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:56 (ten years ago) link

rip

Primm Slim, Robot Sheriff (kingfish), Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:57 (ten years ago) link

if you think about it, his final genius act on earth was taking palin out of the news cycle

Clay, Wednesday, 5 October 2011 23:58 (ten years ago) link

speechless

sent from my iPad ):

∞th-wave ska (diamonddave85), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:00 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF8uR6Z6KLc

When I was 17, I read a quote that went something like: "If you live each day as if it was your last, someday you'll most certainly be right." It made an impression on me, and since then, for the past 33 years, I have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: "If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?" And whenever the answer has been "No" for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something.

Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything — all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure - these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart.

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:01 (ten years ago) link

<3 <3 <3

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:01 (ten years ago) link

might be the beginning of the end for Apple, too.

nostormo, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:01 (ten years ago) link

fuck cancer you guys

ilx user 'silby' (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:03 (ten years ago) link

RIP

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:04 (ten years ago) link

i'm planning on buying my first ever apple laptop soon. RIP

queen latifah approximately (donna rouge), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:05 (ten years ago) link

rip

at-zing-two-boards (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:06 (ten years ago) link

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljhqxelrIO1qam384o1_500.jpg

joe, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:06 (ten years ago) link

Where I'm sitting I can count 6 apple devices. At least he probably had a pretty good life living off of my paycheck. RIP.

Jeff, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:06 (ten years ago) link

"If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?" And whenever the answer has been "No" for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something.

This is so so worth meditating on, always. Death really sharpens the perspective.

Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:07 (ten years ago) link

i dunno, like most major multinationals apple got rich by manufacturing its products in places where workers are paid shit and don't have rights. i guess we're in the realm of the contradicions of capitalism here.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:10 (ten years ago) link

i feel like the sleekness/minimalist design/logic of personal "productivity" with which jobs so astutely worked to associate apple has kind of shielded apple partisans from recognizing that apple is as implicated in the realities of global exploitation as much or more than the next corporation.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:12 (ten years ago) link

i mean jobs seems real interesting and important and stuff but people seem to be treating him like he won the nobel prize or something

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:12 (ten years ago) link

might be the beginning of the end for Apple, too.

― nostormo, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 7:01 PM (7 minutes ago)

I'd like to know what orifice you're pulling this out of, but not on this thread. Maybe over here...? New Apple Lust Objects for 2010 and onward

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:13 (ten years ago) link

also following your heart not always the best idea

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:13 (ten years ago) link

agree the stuff he says in that speech seems like the same old "carp diem" graduation-speech mush.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:14 (ten years ago) link

a wife and three kids, and the youngest is 13. and that's the sad thing here.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:14 (ten years ago) link

carpE

xpost

yes

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:14 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rco9xujjAak

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:15 (ten years ago) link

wow, the guardian has gone for an extraordinarily grudging opening to the second par of its obituary:

The iPod, iPhone and iPad were all relatively late to market, were expensive, and, in their initial versions, lacked important features.

a bit lacking in vision, or perspective.

joe, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:15 (ten years ago) link

amateurist pretty otm.

Sophomore subs are the new Smith lesbians. (the table is the table), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:16 (ten years ago) link

"Massively Successful Person Tells a Bunch of Mediocre College Graduates to Follow Their Dreams, Seize the Day," News at 11.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:16 (ten years ago) link

:-(

(╯°□°)╯︵ mode squad) (dayo), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:16 (ten years ago) link

apple.com looks very tasteful at the moment

simple black and white, minimalist

RIP

geeta, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:16 (ten years ago) link

mediocre? that's stanford!

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:18 (ten years ago) link

"people seem to be treating him like he won the nobel prize or something"
to be fair, there are probably actual nobel laureates who aren't as deserving.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:20 (ten years ago) link

i know, i'm fooling a bit. i dunno i guess i'm a bit skeptical of the "well i followed my dream and it made me a very very rich man, so you should just go ahead and do whatever comes into your head each day"

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:20 (ten years ago) link

Although PARC invented it, Xerox let the GUI/mouse interface gather dust on a shelf. Jobs brought the GUI to the masses with the original Macintosh. For that alone he deserves tremendous recognition. I get the idea he was much more excited about bringing cool toys to life than he was about money. RIP.

Aimless, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:21 (ten years ago) link

My entire professional life has pretty much been attached like a remora fish to Apple so I've always been hoping for the day when Jobs would mercilessly pick apart some software I authored. Sorta like having the honor of being defeated by a samurai master.

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:21 (ten years ago) link

sorry to get all trolly, apple has made some visionary products etc. and he seemed like a nice if kind of pompous guy and it's sad that anyone should die leaving a young family behind.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:22 (ten years ago) link

i know, i'm fooling a bit. i dunno i guess i'm a bit skeptical of the "well i followed my dream and it made me a very very rich man, so you should just go ahead and do whatever comes into your head each day"

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:20 (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Fair point, but this guy was arguably more Edison than Edison. At the very least it's a notable death.

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:22 (ten years ago) link

no argument there! i think a fair analysis of jobs would be more charitable than i'm being.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:23 (ten years ago) link

"toys" is OTM

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:24 (ten years ago) link

gruber keeps revising his post, but: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/10/05/steve

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:25 (ten years ago) link

Does Gruber have a reason to live now?

Jeff, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:26 (ten years ago) link

I mean he has a wife and kids

ilx user 'silby' (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:28 (ten years ago) link

so don't be flip

ilx user 'silby' (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:28 (ten years ago) link

jobs is amazing to me as a story of corporate resurrection,l ... ipods / ipads / iphones have changed the world, but in a meaningful and positive way? bit of a stretch, i think.

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:28 (ten years ago) link

meaningful and positive

 (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:31 (ten years ago) link

"ipods / ipads / iphones have changed the world, but in a meaningful and positive way?"

yeah, open to debate

nostormo, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:31 (ten years ago) link

like i wonder if kary mullis will receive this level of attention when he dies

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:31 (ten years ago) link

MobileMe has gone down in tribute.

joe, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:32 (ten years ago) link

"If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?" And whenever the answer has been "No" for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something."

This is terrible advice. On the other hand, Jobs helped the folks at Apple make a lot of products I really like and that I use every day, and he always seemed to me to have managed to balance on that unstable, wobbly point midway between "who needs a new-fangled gadget?" and "follow me to the techno-utopia that starts next tuesday, whole world will be altered"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:32 (ten years ago) link

http://allthingsd.com/20111005/bill-gates-i-will-miss-steve-immensely/

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:35 (ten years ago) link

For those of us lucky enough to get to work with him, it’s been an insanely great honor

<3 <3 <3

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:36 (ten years ago) link

love that

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:36 (ten years ago) link

maybe that's just how the world works, every one knows Henry ford and lee iacocca and maybe tucker but what about daimler? benini? and barnett?

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:37 (ten years ago) link

fuck cancer you guys

― ilx user 'silby' (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:03 (33 minutes ago) Bookmark

thats a bass, motherfucker (hypehat), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:38 (ten years ago) link

"ipods / ipads / iphones have changed the world, but in a meaningful and positive way?"

sometimes you have to envision a world where obama didn't win to appreciate obama.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:38 (ten years ago) link

"If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?" And whenever the answer has been "No" for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something."

it's the kind of thing a guy with a personal fortune can afford to say/think.

also yeah, fuck cancer. the stanford speech is moving despite the cant.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:39 (ten years ago) link

I dont get ppls distaste at that quote. It doesnt have to imply "go out and change the world", its about personal achievement in whatever form, jeez.

Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:40 (ten years ago) link

Unless all buddhists are wealthy or I donno.

Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:41 (ten years ago) link

XP

in that world my aspie cousins are hooked on ham radio instead of farmville, kids plagiarize the encyclopedia instead of google, and i have a walkman and maps in my glove compartment

and a thinkpad in my backpack

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:41 (ten years ago) link

ILX rip threads always draw assholes. Didn't expect this one to be different.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:42 (ten years ago) link

And me being me, I muttered a bit.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:42 (ten years ago) link

^ good words

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:43 (ten years ago) link

mad respect for this dude, RIP.

manic pixie fream girl (rip van wanko), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:43 (ten years ago) link

assholes? who's being an asshole?

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:43 (ten years ago) link

Not you.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:44 (ten years ago) link

yeah i didn't think so either

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:44 (ten years ago) link

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/steve-jobs-dead-apple-confirms-former-ceo-loses-fight-20111006-1lag8.html

This live blog will automatically refresh with the latest developments.

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Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:45 (ten years ago) link

like when bill gates dies is it okay to say windows wasn't such a big deal that he deserved forty billion dollars?

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:46 (ten years ago) link

Who says Bill Gates is ever going to die?

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:47 (ten years ago) link

sorry if anyone thinks i'm being an asshole. a guy died and that's sad. people like apple and i know it. i like their products too. but they are consumer products, designed to be obsolescent after a few years and manufactured by cheap labor in asia.

this thread doesn't exist because jobs was a nice guy we all knew. it exists because jobs was a public figure, who was an important part of a company that has had a big effect on the way we live our lives. so the nature of his legacy seems like exactly the thing to be talking about.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:47 (ten years ago) link

http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/steve-jobs-dead-apple-confirms-former-ceo-loses-fight-20111006-1lag8.html

This live blog will automatically refresh with the latest developments.

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― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:45 (4 seconds ago) Bookmark

Steve Jobs still dead! Pictures at ten

thats a bass, motherfucker (hypehat), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:48 (ten years ago) link

honestly unless the thread is just one endless "RIP Steve Jobs" what else are we going to talk about? how my MacBook shuts down sometimes when it's supposed to just go to sleep?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:48 (ten years ago) link

zuckerberg: http://www.facebook.com/zuck/posts/10100100934727791

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:49 (ten years ago) link

i know bill is making some grand philanthropic efforts, but a world without windows is a better world, though. iphone world definitely beats ham radio britannica world.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:49 (ten years ago) link

steve jobs is dead and chuck berry's still alive. that's kind of weird to me.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:49 (ten years ago) link

xxxpost a little tasteless, sorry

thats a bass, motherfucker (hypehat), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:49 (ten years ago) link

If you want to criticize a western corporation for manufacturing on the cheap in Asia, get in line. No reason to hash it out in this particular thread, though. many xps

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:50 (ten years ago) link

more like overseas jobs

buzza, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:51 (ten years ago) link

"efforts" doesnt really cover the extent of the bill & melinda gates foundation

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:51 (ten years ago) link

i know bill is making some grand philanthropic efforts, but a world without windows is a better world,

The existence of windows is what keeps a roof over my head, so fuck that noise.

Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:51 (ten years ago) link

<3

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:51 (ten years ago) link

http://www.pitchfork.com/news/44218-rip-steve-jobs/

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:52 (ten years ago) link

If you want to criticize a western corporation for manufacturing on the cheap in Asia, get in line. No reason to hash it out in this particular thread, though. many xps

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 7:50 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what exactly is your problem with my mentioning this stuff on this thread? it helps to keep things in perspective. maybe i'm being a horrible troll without realizing it. if so, i sincerely apologize. but it seems that apple's business practices are as much a part of jobs's legacy as the GUI or the iphone or whatever. at least they would be in a rational analysis.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:53 (ten years ago) link

I don't think amst. has risen to the level of assholism itt, for what it's worth.

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:53 (ten years ago) link

but it's apple factories w/ the high suicide rate, not nike factories

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:54 (ten years ago) link

amateurist killin it

call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:54 (ten years ago) link

RIP, guy who developed stuff I don't use

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:54 (ten years ago) link

Apple's manufacturing processes are often as deplorable as anyone else's, but the company didn't start that way and it's clear that Jobs has just been an idea man and figurehead for many many years. Putting that yoke around a dead man's neck seems unfair.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:55 (ten years ago) link

Bert Jansch is to Steve Jobs as Sky Saxon is to Michael Jackson.

polyphonic, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:55 (ten years ago) link

As someone who's been called out on RIP threads before, I'll defend amateurist: what better place to evaluate a man's legacy without being nasty about it?

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:55 (ten years ago) link

rip

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:55 (ten years ago) link

even tho he was very ill, this is still weird and stunning

yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:55 (ten years ago) link

Apple's manufacturing processes are often as deplorable as anyone else's, but the company didn't start that way and it's clear that Jobs has just been an idea man and figurehead for many many years. Putting that yoke around a dead man's neck seems unfair.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 7:55 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark

that may be true -- i don't know much about internal corporate decision-making/culture of apple.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:56 (ten years ago) link

'"efforts" doesnt really cover the extent of the bill & melinda gates foundation'
i mean efforts in the sense that I applaud Bill's intent more than his application. There's some rightful criticism that Jobs hasn't used his wealth in an equally effortful way but the more I read about how the Gates foundation has gone about applying the money, I feel less certain that it's in the right hands.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:56 (ten years ago) link

Apple's manufacturing processes are often as deplorable as anyone else's, but the company didn't start that way and it's clear that Jobs has just been an idea man and figurehead for many many years. Putting that yoke around a dead man's neck seems unfair.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 8:55 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sorry, this is complete bullshit, he was a ceo

call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:56 (ten years ago) link

like i wonder if kary mullis will receive this level of attention when he dies

― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 8:31 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

heh, i mean, to be fair, steve jobs hasnt been talking up aids denialism for the last decade

max, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:57 (ten years ago) link

larry page: https://plus.google.com/106189723444098348646/posts/4wkYwTCCgAc

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:58 (ten years ago) link

the moment after someone's death isn't really the place for a "rational analysis" of anything, amateurist

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:58 (ten years ago) link

i.e. if you really want to have that discussion, about apple's business practices, you are not going to get it here right now

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 October 2011 00:59 (ten years ago) link

full disclosure: my nonprofit workplace was made possible by B&MGF so i am naturally biased

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:01 (ten years ago) link

i know that, tracer. but how does that translate to it being a bad idea to mention it?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:01 (ten years ago) link

Just re the suicides in Apple's factories, afaik Apple did more than most companies to enforce standards of human decency in those factories. Not saying it's the best they could have done but it's better than most actually do.

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:01 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/2bYCM.jpg

circa1916, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:02 (ten years ago) link

what if it's an RIP QADDAFI thread?

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:02 (ten years ago) link

steve jobs WAS kind of an asshole sometimes, guys. not a saint. otoh most of the people who worked with him seem to talk about him in terms of being one of those needed-to-be-an-asshole-to-get-shit-done types not a man-who-fell-to-earth aspie asshole type like big bill g.

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:02 (ten years ago) link

also kinda smdh at everyone using a mouse or a trackpad to click "submit post" saying "what's the big deal"

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:03 (ten years ago) link

re: bad corp practices, I dunno, it's a fair critique to level against a CEO as hands-on as Jobs and whose expression is bound up in how the company operates. Alice Waters would get the same guff, no?

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:03 (ten years ago) link

::sigh:: i know why ppl feel *emotional* about this but i won't be holding my breath for the next outpouring of grief for the ceo of a top 50 company in the fortune 500 and that tells me all i need to know.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:03 (ten years ago) link

wikileaks showing what being an asshole when someone dies really looks like: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs_purported_HIV_medical_status_results,_2008

joe, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:04 (ten years ago) link

oh, sorry - it's old, but they're retweeting it.

joe, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:04 (ten years ago) link

have to take issue w/everyone h8ing on bills commencement speech, sure the one sentance everyones harping on is p boilerplate carpe diem but the other sentences surrounding it re the totality of death are well more real and otm than yr standard fare

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:04 (ten years ago) link

My guess is that Bill Gates has a lot more skeletons in his closet he feels the need to make up for. Jobs always just seemed in it for the innovation. The money was gravy. The day-to-day operations of the company were of little concern. His passion was in r&d and pushing technology forward. Now you may not appreciate his idea of "forward," but I honestly don't believe he was sitting in his ceo suite rubbing his fingers together like Monty Burns cracking a smile at the poor Taiwanese workers that were piecing together iMacs.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:04 (ten years ago) link

love those guys (xp)

Miles "Tails" Davis (King Boy Pato), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:05 (ten years ago) link

stevewoz
Steve Wozniak

Drove around looking for today's Cupertino shooter but no luck yet. (@ Mandarin Gourmet) 4sq.com/oX3Xoh
5 hours ago

stevewoz
Steve Wozniak

Tuesday split pea soup. (@ Marie Callender's) 4sq.com/qClFnf
23 hours ago

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:06 (ten years ago) link

The day-to-day operations of the company were of little concern.

as a ceo, he was responsible and accountable for every activity that his company undertook. this is rupert murdoch's line of defense btw!

call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:06 (ten years ago) link

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsmcs7jHVT1qapxtvo1_500.jpg

polyphonic, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:06 (ten years ago) link

btw this is SUPER dated and sometimes almost avert-your-eyes hokey, but this was my introduction to all these dorks way back when. it's actually a pretty interesting look at dude's place in the industry after the ouster but before the whole iwhatever thing brought him back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jV3JdtaOGc

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:07 (ten years ago) link

Basically saying the document looks forged?

Mark G, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:07 (ten years ago) link

"The day-to-day operations of the company were of little concern."

the cafeteria and the food they served when he came back to apple offended him, so the next day he fired them all, and now they make an awesome and cheap vegan burger -- this dude was hands-on when he wanted to be.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:07 (ten years ago) link

::sigh:: i know why ppl feel *emotional* about this but i won't be holding my breath for the next outpouring of grief for the ceo of a top 50 company in the fortune 500 and that tells me all i need to know.

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:03 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

what does it tell you?

yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:08 (ten years ago) link

I wonder if they were actually friends or just facebook friends

iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:08 (ten years ago) link

OK that's a good one: obviously the guy who donated 10 or 20 billion toward improving the world is hiding his dark side

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:08 (ten years ago) link

what does it tell you?

― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:08 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

that people will believe whatever suits them

call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:09 (ten years ago) link

What a revelation!

man I just wanted to post "" in my facebook but it wouldn't let me

fuck you facebook

(╯°□°)╯︵ mode squad) (dayo), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:10 (ten years ago) link

Fine. I've got one life, maybe 80 or so years to live it, and then I'm gone. Believing what I want to believe makes no fucking difference in how the world actually turns. xps

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:11 (ten years ago) link

that people will believe whatever suits them

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:09 PM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark

idk, i have no problem separating steve jobs from the CEOs of exxon & wells fargo

yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:11 (ten years ago) link

^ this

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:11 (ten years ago) link

this really doesn't have to be an either/or thing yall

max, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:13 (ten years ago) link

FWIW, Foxconn also assembles PlayStations, Wiis, and computers for HP and Dell, so everyone that uses electronics is to blame.

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:14 (ten years ago) link

or from bill gates, shit

the man was a great inventor who made a lot of people's lives easier & better -- the fact that he was mega rich seems immaterial to me

yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:14 (ten years ago) link

I feel how I felt when Kon Satoshi died, I don't think CEO-ness or mega-rich-ness enters into it.

 (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:14 (ten years ago) link

idk I feel like I'm reminded of cheap labor in asia every time I use my laptop, every time I tie my shows, every time I put on a shirt. seems weird to harp on that itt.

(╯°□°)╯︵ mode squad) (dayo), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:14 (ten years ago) link

jobs was CEO of a toy company that 10% or more of the first world uses. exxon CEOs manage a basic industrial resource that at least 50% of the world relies on. bad analogy.

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:15 (ten years ago) link

it's just a little weird that ppl feel so strongly about a guy whose job was making computers and gadgets that were a bit nicer than everyone else's computers and gadgets!

call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:15 (ten years ago) link

I make music, CAD. Apple's technology impacts what I do every damn day. For the better.

Uh, you're seriously undercutting the fact that he shrunk computers down from the size of a whole room to something you can put on a desk (and now, in your pocket).

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:16 (ten years ago) link

1. Most computers and gadgets have not been made by the same dude for most of the time that computer gadgets have existed.
2. The dude died at 56 of fucking pancreatic cancer. This is something worth being upset about.

 (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:17 (ten years ago) link

i dunno, man -- we go thru this in pretty much every RIP thread -- some ppl care about stuff others of us don't care about

i think it's pretty obvious why steve jobs was an idol to a lot of ppl, and when an idol of yours dies, it can be emotional for a bit there, even if the person is mega rich

yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:17 (ten years ago) link

that's why i noted that this is deeply sad for his family, silby

call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:18 (ten years ago) link

possible age gap thing going on here though. I am guessing that people who became adults before computers became ubiquitous are more greatly affected than those for whom the pre-computer age ended before they hit high school - just a guess tho I don't mean that in a "you whippersnappers" way or anything

ffs you chowderheads. toys? the guy basically gave us the computers we are using to dismiss him RIGHT NOW, even if they're running windows and even if he did rip the bulk off it off the parc guys.

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:18 (ten years ago) link

I make music, CAD. Apple's technology impacts what I do every damn day. For the better.

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i use the phone every day and i can otm this post!

call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:18 (ten years ago) link

it's just a little weird that ppl feel so strongly about a guy whose job was making computers and gadgets that were a bit nicer than everyone else's computers and gadgets!

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:15 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

computers are pretty fucking amazing, they have changed the world A LOT, this guy had a hand in inventing and popularizing many of the things that we consider to just be inherent computerness, the whole story is on some level a testament to the power of mind

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:18 (ten years ago) link

man nytimes story + ad seeming incongruous atm

http://i.imgur.com/qE6dD.png

(╯°□°)╯︵ mode squad) (dayo), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:19 (ten years ago) link

aero's comments going sadly unnoticed here, but yeah, dude's products literally changed the way a major, major industry conducts its work.

RIP, no one should die of cancer this young and leave behind such a young family.

amateurist also totally otm

k3vin k., Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:19 (ten years ago) link

i don't think we need to start objectively outlining which CEOs are worth caring about and which aren't

when the CEO of exxon mobil dies i'm not really going to give a shit, even tho i use a car and a stove -- i don't think this is hard to grasp

yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:20 (ten years ago) link

ice cr?m and aero relentlessly otm here and i have never been an apple dude at all. this is just history we're talking.

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:20 (ten years ago) link

yeah idk arguing about this just seems like nagl. Obviously everybody has some threshold for when a death affects them; if we were sad about everyone who died we'd all be sad all the time.

 (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:21 (ten years ago) link

idk I also feel like, can we not use the death of a famous person to take the moral high ground here? especially when we are all posting from computers that are made in china?

(╯°□°)╯︵ mode squad) (dayo), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:21 (ten years ago) link

Like, people can record an entire, releasable album on a fucking iPad. That's pretty major. The existence of ProTools made possible editing choices that Les Paul could only dream of when he ordered that 8-track machine from Ampex.

Cheap labour is why there's a burgeoning middle class in so many developing countries. In places like India and China it's now possible for more people to achieve a relatively decent standard of living. I'm not attributing this to Jobs btw. And before I get attacked, understand that this is merely a counterpoint; there's no black & white when it comes to the effects of industry in developing countries.

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:21 (ten years ago) link

no moral high ground. it's a complex legacy because there is an inventor/visionary piece and there's a major, important business piece too. i don't think there's a problem with noting them both.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:23 (ten years ago) link

ffs, a dude died, he did a lot of awesome shit, he also did some of this bad shit

k3vin k., Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:24 (ten years ago) link

possible age gap thing going on here though. I am guessing that people who became adults before computers became ubiquitous are more greatly affected than those for whom the pre-computer age ended before they hit high school - just a guess tho I don't mean that in a "you whippersnappers" way or anything

― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, October 5, 2011

OTM, also coming of age pre/post ipod

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:24 (ten years ago) link

http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/05/stay-hungry-stay-foolish/ <-- good speech (I skimmed it)

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:25 (ten years ago) link

oh it's been quoted itt, nm xp

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:26 (ten years ago) link

btw also PIXAR

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:29 (ten years ago) link

4 real

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:30 (ten years ago) link

i am old enough to remember not having computers in middle school - at home or at school - and i feel bad that jobs died because he was an amazing businessman, but even though i own three macs, two iphones, an ipod and an ipad i find it hard to say i couldn't live w/o this stuff

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:30 (ten years ago) link

that counts for at least like, 50,000 underpaid chinese workers

(╯°□°)╯︵ mode squad) (dayo), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:30 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/KWjuG.png

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:31 (ten years ago) link

Not long before Steve Jobs’ second coming to Apple in 1996 he was giving a talk to The Stanford Graduate School of Business’ High Tech Club at the home of a student. For three hours he sat in the lotus position on the floor in front of the living-room fireplace answering questions good-naturedly. Afterwards, the host, a young MBA candidate named Steve Jurvetson, asked the legendary figure to autograph his Macintosh keyboard which had already been signed by Apple cofounder Steve Woznyak.

Steve Jobs said he’d do it, but only if first he could remove all the unnecessary keys that his successors had added in a foolish effort to make the Mac more like a Microsoft-Intel PC. He despised the long row of so-called function keys (like “F1”) and the cluster of navigational arrow keys which were clunky alternatives to the more intuitive process of using a mouse to explore menus and icons. So Jobs pulled his car keys out of his pocket and began scooping into the computer keyboard, violently disgorging all the keys that offended him. “I’m changing the world one keyboard at a time”, he said with a straight face. Only then when he had mutilated the apparatus, did he take a pen and scribble his autograph on it.

stories like this always remind me of the zen assholes thread.

joe, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:32 (ten years ago) link

I am old enough to remember not having computers AT ALL, and I cannot imagine living a life without them.

speaking of ceo/founder deaths, i have to admit that when glen "taco" bell died in 2010 i shed a tear.

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:33 (ten years ago) link

kinda miffed that steve jobs gets his own thread but the guy who invented doritos only gets a threadbump.

(╯°□°)╯︵ mode squad) (dayo), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:34 (ten years ago) link

also anyone saying they could "live without computers" should just put their money where their mouth is and grow a ted kaczynski beard already

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:34 (ten years ago) link

notice i didn't say "computers"

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:35 (ten years ago) link

i still think you secretly want to grow that beard

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:35 (ten years ago) link

i think i could live without doritos, if cool ranch could be transferred to another snack.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:36 (ten years ago) link

its more the concept of 'cool ranch' that im into

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:36 (ten years ago) link

at my orientation on the first day of college they told us what buildings the unabomber was targeting

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:37 (ten years ago) link

guys the dorito guy just ripped off cool ranch from the r&d department at pringles

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:38 (ten years ago) link

does pringles have prior art they can show?

(╯°□°)╯︵ mode squad) (dayo), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:38 (ten years ago) link

marco arment: http://www.marco.org/2011/10/05/steve-jobs-dies

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:39 (ten years ago) link

who is markers arment

(╯°□°)╯︵ mode squad) (dayo), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:39 (ten years ago) link

and markers... how is it that you haven't posted... you know

(╯°□°)╯︵ mode squad) (dayo), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:40 (ten years ago) link

otm

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:41 (ten years ago) link

can't believe sarah palin and steve jobs died on the same day--what are the odds

Mr. Que, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:43 (ten years ago) link

100%

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:43 (ten years ago) link

guys sarah palin just stole her personality from the r&d department at omni consumer products

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:44 (ten years ago) link

Yah, she ran on iOS 3.0, was really time for her to go.

http://i.imgur.com/aNrla.png

― markers, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 9:45 PM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark

(╯°□°)╯︵ mode squad) (dayo), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:45 (ten years ago) link

kinda bewildered at all this tbh

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:50 (ten years ago) link

kinda bewildered at how you're communicating with us via telegraph tbh

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:51 (ten years ago) link

The only Apple product I've ever owned was a used Mac in the '90s. But when I heard this news on the way home tonight, I totally understood its import, and knew I'd take 10 minutes tomorrow morning talking about him with my students.

clemenza, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:53 (ten years ago) link

<3

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:54 (ten years ago) link

tim cook: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/10/05Apple-Media-Advisory.html

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:54 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/ZmxVZ.jpg

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:54 (ten years ago) link

sergey brin: https://plus.google.com/109813896768294978296/posts/dwmWyNSoXTh

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:56 (ten years ago) link

walt mossberg: http://allthingsd.com/20111005/the-steve-jobs-i-knew/

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:57 (ten years ago) link

that photo is awesome

lukas, Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:59 (ten years ago) link

Apple IIc manual

per metal injection (Eazy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:00 (ten years ago) link

read mossberg's piece btw

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:00 (ten years ago) link

i am doing so atm and it has some good stuff in there

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:00 (ten years ago) link

Jobs is a perfect example of a guy whose products I use every day but about whose life and accomplishments I know nothing. I wouldn't even have known his name until a couple of years ago.

Which means I need to read a few good obits.

lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:01 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE

― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 01:25

lmao

lol-qaeda (am0n), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:01 (ten years ago) link

To my knowledge, the only tech conference Steve Jobs regularly appeared at, the only event he didn’t somehow control, was our All Things Digital conferences, where he appeared repeatedly for unrehearsed, onstage interviews. We had one rule that really bothered him: we never allowed slides, which were his main presentation tool.

One year, about an hour before his appearance, I was informed that he was backstage preparing dozens of slides, even though I had reminded him a week earlier of the no-slides policy. I asked two of his top aides to tell him he couldn’t use the slides, but they each said they couldn’t do it, that I had to. So I went backstage and told him the slides were out. Famously prickly, he could have stormed out, refused to go on. And he did try to argue with me. But, when I insisted, he just said “OK.” And he went on stage without them, and was, as usual, the audience’s favorite speaker.

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:02 (ten years ago) link

For our fifth D Conference, both Steve and his longtime rival, the brilliant Bill Gates, surprisingly agreed to a joint appearance, their first extended onstage joint interview ever. But it almost got derailed.
Earlier in the day, before Gates arrived, I did a solo onstage interview with Jobs, and asked him what it was like to be a major Windows developer, since Apple’s iTunes program was by then installed on hundreds of millions of Windows PC. He quipped: “It’s like giving a glass of ice water to someone in Hell.” When Gates later arrived and heard about the comment, he was, naturally, enraged, because my partner Kara Swisher and I had assured both men that we hoped to keep the joint session on a high plane.

In a pre-interview meeting, Gates said to Jobs “so I guess I’m the representative from Hell.” Jobs merely handed Gates a cold bottle of water he was carrying. The tension was broken, and the interview was a triumph, with both men acting like statesmen. When it was over, the audience rose in a standing ovation, some of them in tears.

looool

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:03 (ten years ago) link

alright, yeah, read mossberg's piece y'all

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:04 (ten years ago) link

this is how i learned

http://i.imgur.com/KiVvm.png

banana mogul (goole), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:06 (ten years ago) link

Ha! One of my friends got her news from Weezy too.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:07 (ten years ago) link

steve ballmer: http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2011/oct11/10-05statement.mspx

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:07 (ten years ago) link

WOW, that IIc manual!!

Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:09 (ten years ago) link

So his mausoleum will be bang in the middle of his new spaceship, right?

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:10 (ten years ago) link

SalmanRushdie Salman Rushdie
I have been in love with the world Steve Jobs made ever since my first Apple Mac. He was one of the great architects of the real. RIP.
7 minutes ago

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:10 (ten years ago) link

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/47/136114411_539b143e74_z.jpg

The fact that this ever needed to be illustrated.

Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:10 (ten years ago) link

RIP

Chris S, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:11 (ten years ago) link

assuming it eventually comes out, i'm interested in knowing how he spent his last few months, like whether or not he was trying out experimental treatments & what not

yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:12 (ten years ago) link

his official bio, which he was interviewed something like 40 times for, is out next month, so some of that might be in there

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:13 (ten years ago) link

"official" isn't the right word . . . what will become the canonical bio is out next month

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:14 (ten years ago) link

of the real.

read this as 'on the real' initially

the men who stare at gotye (electricsound), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:15 (ten years ago) link

so I guess now we know for sure why the biography was brought forward nine months

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:15 (ten years ago) link

nobody posted death notices on facebook when henry ford died

remy bean, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:15 (ten years ago) link

TimDraper
Tim Draper
With the possible exception of George Washington, Dung Chow Ping and Columbus, we lost the greatest man that lived on the planet today.
5 minutes ago

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:19 (ten years ago) link

huge lol @ dung chow ping

(╯°□°)╯︵ mode squad) (dayo), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:20 (ten years ago) link

woooow

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:21 (ten years ago) link

i wonder what mow say tong would think of that

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:21 (ten years ago) link

lol wut

banana mogul (goole), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:22 (ten years ago) link

ABigBagOfKeys Ultimate Fear Spider
what is brostep. steve jobs could have told me… sigh
1 minute ago

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:26 (ten years ago) link

Not only am I old enough to recall a time when the personal computer did not exist, I am about a year older than Steve Jobs was. The Apple II was a major inflection point in 20th century life. I saw it happen. It was huge.

Aimless, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:27 (ten years ago) link

I hope Tim Draper is an NBA player

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:28 (ten years ago) link

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/4517610446_7779718cf5_o.jpg

omar little, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:30 (ten years ago) link

rip

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2010/01/jobs15.jpg

larvae o'dooley, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:30 (ten years ago) link

Hey I just realised Jobso's realisation of capacitive touchscreens on handheld devices is the actual reason I am learning Chinese now.

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:32 (ten years ago) link

For most first-world people I don't think there's any getting away with the "Jobso didn't change my life in some way" line.

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:33 (ten years ago) link

the top 30 stories on my facebook are all about steve jobs.

i am sorry, i'm gonna change my mind and join amateurist here. this is friggin' absurd.

remy bean, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:34 (ten years ago) link

mine r all abt #occupywallst

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:35 (ten years ago) link

Compared to Sarah Palin and her media presence, memorializing Steve Jobs death at 56 is not friggin' absurd.

Aimless, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:36 (ten years ago) link

well, at least there's humor value in that

remy bean, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:39 (ten years ago) link

the top 30 stories on my facebook are all about steve jobs.

So 30 different people are dealing with the news on a personal level. That you perceive it to be overkill is your own problem.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:41 (ten years ago) link

RealSoonYi Soon-Yi Previn
rip Steve job
22 seconds ago

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:42 (ten years ago) link

satan's poking his bony ass with double pitchforks right now

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:42 (ten years ago) link

Exchange between two F'book friends:

"Maybe Steve Jobs' death will inspire the young Wall Street protesters the same way Judy Garland's death inspired the Stonewall drag queens."

"Maybe it will inspire people to go out and take a walk"

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:43 (ten years ago) link

lmao

iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:43 (ten years ago) link

oh soon-yi no

banana mogul (goole), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:44 (ten years ago) link

SE>LCII>Duo>Duo>Centris 660AV>PowerMac G3>Powerbook G3>Power Book G4> Couple of MacBook Pros>Mac Mini+MacBook Air+iPhone

Add a work owned Dell, Samsung and Lenovo (plus a dim and distant Acorn Electron) and you have my computing life. Dominated by products Jobs had a hand in (Centris was pretty awful but was from the wilderness years).

A truly unique man; created a business that could sustain hardware margins in a cut-throat race to the bottom. Software gave people a reason to keep buying the hardware. I've always said that the Mac was the best copy protection dongle, Steve never seemed to care if your Final Cut was hacked because Apple made money on the hardware. Later on Apple seemed to work out a way of making money everywhere from a slavish devotion to network effects and not being first or most advanced but by providing "it just works".

A truly great man.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:44 (ten years ago) link

So 30 different people are dealing with the news on a personal level. That you perceive it to be overkill is your own problem.

Right, thanks.

remy bean, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:46 (ten years ago) link

ONCE AGAIN STEVE JOBS AINT DEAD!!!!!!! IM SMOKIN A FAT ASS KUSH JOINT RIGHT NOW!!!!!!

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:47 (ten years ago) link

Oh man, Charles Napier died too.

remy bean, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:48 (ten years ago) link

That'll be a fun party at the pearly gates

remy bean, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:48 (ten years ago) link

Start a new RIP thread, remy.

Aimless, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:50 (ten years ago) link

http://www.google.com/

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:51 (ten years ago) link

the napier news definitely hit me harder

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:51 (ten years ago) link

Sporadic cheering and celebrations were reported throughout mainland China earlier today, following news that former Apple CEO Steve Jobs had passed away.

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:53 (ten years ago) link

ricky_martin Ricky Martin
Adam and Eve's, Newton's, Steve Jobs's #WORLDCHANGINAPPLES

nəverDirty (some dude), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:57 (ten years ago) link

lol

∞th-wave ska (diamonddave85), Thursday, 6 October 2011 02:58 (ten years ago) link

"My heart weeps for all who worked with Steve and who loved him, especially my friend Laurene and their children," wrote Maria Shriver. "I'm so happy that I knew him and was so blessed by his friendship. He impacted all of our lives and changed the world. I'm going to turn off my Apple computer, iPhone and iPad tonight at 8pm and honor Steve with a moment of digital silence. Will you join me?

larvae o'dooley, Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:04 (ten years ago) link

jesus lady

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:05 (ten years ago) link

Jesus with money

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:08 (ten years ago) link

never forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VjiB9NmK-4

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:08 (ten years ago) link

melissakchan Melissa Chan
Oh my. Just passed by white flowers, messages in memory of Jobs outside the Apple store here in Beijing.
3 minutes ago

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:11 (ten years ago) link

the top 30 stories on my facebook are all about steve jobs.

So 30 different people are dealing with the news on a personal level. That you perceive it to be overkill is your own problem.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 10:41 PM (29 minutes ago)

lol dude u seem upset

k3vin k., Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:11 (ten years ago) link

chagina apples?

yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:14 (ten years ago) link

steve jobs never gave a dime to charity except for 250k to the dems to fund lobbyists so his "suicide factories" in asia could remain up. now he's literally in hell, where he can never again yell at another lackey for bringing him his soy latte in the wrong type of container. this is a net good for the world

http://i.imgur.com/IfFPp.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VaF3R.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Jwfza.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rcQ2o.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4itHU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QSstH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vTRIn.png

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:14 (ten years ago) link

remember how literally hours ago everyone on the internet was shitting their pants trying to hate corporations more than everyone else? lol. all corporations are evil except ones that make little glass boxes that look like weezer!

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:15 (ten years ago) link

Eh, I'm not even particularly an Apple stan, but I've always kind of had the guy up on a pedestal for what he was accomplishing and how he went about it. Before that it was Alex Chilton. Morbs probably remembers busting my balls about Tim Russert's death, because I was unexpectedly upset about that one too (not so much because of Russert himself, but what he'd inspired me to do...go back to school, get a degree in video production, etc). Before that, it was John Peel. I kind of never know I'm going to be affected more deeply than usual by some personality's death until that time comes. xps

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:16 (ten years ago) link

Just re the suicides in Apple's factories, afaik Apple did more than most companies to enforce standards of human decency in those factories. Not saying it's the best they could have done but it's better than most actually do.

As far as I know the factory suicides had a lot to do with life insurance policies and not much to do with workers driven to despair by the living hell of electronics manufacture.

Cheap labour is why there's a burgeoning middle class in so many developing countries. In places like India and China it's now possible for more people to achieve a relatively decent standard of living. I'm not attributing this to Jobs btw. And before I get attacked, understand that this is merely a counterpoint; there's no black & white when it comes to the effects of industry in developing countries.

^^^thank you Autumn Almanac. Ppl have some pretty broad brush ideas abt China itt.

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:30 (ten years ago) link

i know bill is making some grand philanthropic efforts, but a world without windows is a better world, though.

no, because windows is why the gates foundation exists. i'm a 100% apple stan and recognize that jobs was an important dude but gates is arguably one of the most important philanthropists of oh i dunno the last century. i am perfectly happy to have a world with windows 7 if it means we get the gates foundation

(╯°□°)╯︵ ya, (╯°□°)╯︵ ya for real (gbx), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:41 (ten years ago) link

the first thing I thought of when I heard this is that a bunch of people's halloween ideas just got way easier to come up with

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:44 (ten years ago) link

remember when steve jobs bought a house in tennessee just so he could steal a liver from the state and leave the poors to die

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:47 (ten years ago) link

lol my facebook just literally says "25 people posted about Steve Jobs"

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:48 (ten years ago) link

can't believe I only have two friends who posted tamtam level shit

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:49 (ten years ago) link

steve jobs never gave a dime to charity except for 250k to the dems to fund lobbyists so his "suicide factories" in asia could remain up.

Dangerous ground. There's every chance he secretly gave loads to charity, an action which imo is far more laudable than telling everyone how incredibly generous you are.

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:52 (ten years ago) link

There are eight levels of tzedaka, each greater than the next. … [Second] is the one who gives tzedaka to the poor, but does not know to whom he gives, nor does the recipient know his benefactor. For this is performing a mitzva for the sake of Heaven. This is like the Secret [Anonymous] Office in the Temple. There the righteous gave secretly, and the good poor drew sustenance anonymously. This is much like giving tzedaka through a tzedaka box. One should not put into the box unless he knows that the one responsible for the box is faithful and wise and a proper leader like Rabbi Hananya ben Teradyon.

Fuckin Maimonides

 (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:55 (ten years ago) link

(There has long been speculation that an anonymous $150 million donation to the Helen Diller Family Comprehensive Cancer Center at the University of California, San Francisco may have come from Mr. Jobs.)

per metal injection (Eazy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:56 (ten years ago) link

Apple, Inc. was the one and only monument Steve wanted to build

 (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 03:58 (ten years ago) link

<3 tam tam

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:08 (ten years ago) link

im sure its possible that this exceedingly nasty man who spoke repeatedly & publicly about not being interested in philanthropy because of the amount of time it would take away from developing his business, was privately very generous. yes, very possible... http://i.imgur.com/YCOfu.gif

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:09 (ten years ago) link

for halloween I was going to be a ghost in a turtleneck but now I think it's going to be something like a cancer cell w/ an ipad

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:09 (ten years ago) link

no maybe I'm going to be a cancer cell that will throw drinks at ipads

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:10 (ten years ago) link

Playboy interview with Steve Jobs, circa 1985:

http://www.playboy.com/magazine/playboy-interview-steve-jobs

geeta, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:12 (ten years ago) link

john siracusa: http://arstechnica.com/staff/fatbits/2011/10/steve-jobs-a-personal-remembrance.ars

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:13 (ten years ago) link

I saw a butt xp

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:13 (ten years ago) link

do you guys believe that steve jobs changed music

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:15 (ten years ago) link

A+++++ trolling itt re: the recently departed. Stay fuckin' classy ilx.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:16 (ten years ago) link

love this, from the Playboy piece:

"Two other party guests wandered into the room and looked over Jobs’s shoulder. ‘Hmmm,’ said the first, Andy Warhol. ‘What is this? Look at this, Keith. This is incredible!’ The second guest, Keith Haring, the graffiti artist whose work now commands huge prices, went over. Warhol and Haring asked to take a turn at the Mac, and as I walked away, Warhol had just sat down to manipulate the mouse. ‘My God!’ he was saying, ‘I drew a circle!’"

geeta, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:17 (ten years ago) link

funny thing is it actually is A++++++++ trolling

u0sd0ןɟ (flopson), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:19 (ten years ago) link

never change canky

(╯°□°)╯︵ ya, (╯°□°)╯︵ ya for real (gbx), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:19 (ten years ago) link

funny thing is it actually is A++++++++ trolling

― u0sd0ןɟ (flopson), Thursday, October 6, 2011 12:19 AM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark

yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:19 (ten years ago) link

thats why I said it

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:21 (ten years ago) link

i know bill is making some grand philanthropic efforts, but a world without windows is a better world, though. iphone world definitely beats ham radio britannica world.

― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, October 5, 2011 7:49 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://allthingsd.com/20110928/encyclopaedia-britannica-now-fits-into-an-app/

jaymc, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:24 (ten years ago) link

love this too:

"People get stuck as they get older. Our minds are sort of electrochemical computers. Your thoughts construct patterns like scaffolding in your mind. You are really etching chemical patterns. In most cases, people get stuck in those patterns, just like grooves in a record, and they never get out of them. It’s a rare person who etches grooves that are other than a specific way of looking at things, a specific way of questioning things."

geeta, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:31 (ten years ago) link

"I have long been a huge admirer of Mr. Jobs and consider him the da Vinci of our time." OTM.

From the NYT article that Eazy posted above.

Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:32 (ten years ago) link

A+++++ trolling itt re: the recently departed. Stay fuckin' classy ilx.

If you are honestly grieving Steve Jobs's death so hard that you can't bear to read any criticism of him, why would you even be on the Internet, much less ILX?

jaymc, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:33 (ten years ago) link

yo ned, nice post

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:34 (ten years ago) link

(the one on your blog)

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:34 (ten years ago) link

Calm down dude, I was talking about TamTam's totally in character ott-ness being glad he's in hell.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:35 (ten years ago) link

(xpost to jaymc)

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:35 (ten years ago) link

i'm not trolling btw, im just another poster giving my 2 cents bub

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:35 (ten years ago) link

John, the thing is, "You knew it was a snake when you picked it up," isn't the point. We expect people to be assholes in RIP threads, but that doesn't excuse them or make it less appropriate to point out that they are being assholes.

Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:35 (ten years ago) link

Being glad someone died /= "criticism", fyi.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:35 (ten years ago) link

http://daringfireball.net/

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:35 (ten years ago) link

how is it inappropriate to point out that steve jobs isn't davinci?

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:36 (ten years ago) link

i mean maybe if steve jobs actually invented a bunch of shit instead of just marketing it to people

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:37 (ten years ago) link

steve jobs was jesus in that case

omar little, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:37 (ten years ago) link

Sorry, I still don't get why RIP threads are supposed to be these special sacrosanct places.

jaymc, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:38 (ten years ago) link

(Also, don't see where TamTam said that he was glad Jobs is dead.)

jaymc, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:39 (ten years ago) link

sean parker: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150348392138293

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:40 (ten years ago) link

(I do see TamTam being generally snarky about Jobs's death.)

jaymc, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:40 (ten years ago) link

steve jobs never gave a dime to charity except for 250k to the dems to fund lobbyists so his "suicide factories" in asia could remain up. now he's literally in hell, where he can never again yell at another lackey for bringing him his soy latte in the wrong type of container. this is a net good for the world

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:41 (ten years ago) link

Back when it was two guys in a garage, Jobs was most certainly inventing shit.

Aimless, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:41 (ten years ago) link

Because there is all the time and all the space in the world to criticize somebody,and while a RIP thread isn't quite equivalent to a wake, it's not the place to drag out grievances.

Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:41 (ten years ago) link

If not here, where? Should we revive some old Steve Jobs thread to make those points? This is the one where the conversation is happening.

jaymc, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:42 (ten years ago) link

My iPhone won't hard reset =(

i'm not trolling btw (admrl), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:43 (ten years ago) link

(Btw, thanks, Jon -- I guess I missed that post.)

jaymc, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:43 (ten years ago) link

Sorry, I still don't get why RIP threads are supposed to be these special sacrosanct places.

Because people generally start RIP threads because they were affected by the subject for one reason or another. I mean, I get it being a public forum etc etc blah blah but I don't ever think its agl to shit on someone in a RIP thread and I'd never do it myself.

Next time I see a funeral in a public cemetery, I'm gonna run up and shout "HA! THAT GUY KINDA SUCKED ANYWAY". After I get chased down and beat to shit, I'll shrug and say, "what's the big deal? he didn't affect me personally".

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:43 (ten years ago) link

Guys, we have a thread for this

Rolling 2011 Celeb Death Snark Safety Thread

the ┬──┬ is the ┬──┬ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:44 (ten years ago) link

you can always tell when j/v/c is hyperventilating by the presence of f-bombs in his posts

k3vin k., Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:44 (ten years ago) link

And yes, Jobs absolutely was inventing things, hands-on at first, and as a leader of Apple later. I don't recall Macbooks gathering dust on shelves in 1980 until Jobs figured out how to make them seem hip.

xp - John, this really feels like old-school "I don't get this obvious thing" jaymc stuff.

Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:44 (ten years ago) link

I mean, I'm being ridiculous of course, but still. Personally I don't see the appeal of shitting on an RIP thread started in good faith by someone who was generally affected by someone, no matter how trivially.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:44 (ten years ago) link

didnt this dude just steal all his ideas from xerox anyway?

was going to 'troll' in the sense that i think his co. is a monstrosity but w/e

my other display name is my facebook status (Lamp), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:45 (ten years ago) link

Because people generally start RIP threads because they were affected by the subject for one reason or another

Is that really true? I don't recall if I've ever started an RIP thread, but if I have, it's b/c it was news and there was interesting stuff to talk about.

jaymc, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:45 (ten years ago) link

I'm glad there's this notion of me always like angrily pounding away, but I'm pretty chill here and holding my newborn son and not grieving. Just don't get the need to be snarky on a RIP thread. That's all. I'll let you guys be.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:46 (ten years ago) link

lol at "this is a net good for the world". sort of awkward when you consider his 13 year old daughter.

sonderborg, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:46 (ten years ago) link

Frank Perdue RIP

i'm not trolling btw (admrl), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:47 (ten years ago) link

how is it inappropriate to point out that steve jobs isn't davinci?

― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:36 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i mean maybe if steve jobs actually invented a bunch of shit instead of just marketing it to people

― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:37 (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

He had a greater direct impact on more people than nearly everyone else who's had an RIP thread

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:47 (ten years ago) link

saying its good is different from saying im glad

if people get to talk about what a great man he was, then i get to call him an asshole (and i backed it up more than the Great Man crowd)

Because people generally start RIP threads because they were affected by the subject for one reason or another. I mean, I get it being a public forum etc etc blah blah but I don't ever think its agl to shit on someone in a RIP thread and I'd never do it myself.

Robert McNamara - RIP

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:47 (ten years ago) link

xp - John, this really feels like old-school "I don't get this obvious thing" jaymc stuff.

You're right, I truly don't get how people can be so affected by a celebrity's death that snark and criticism and contrarian views are in any way bothersome. But people have said that they are indeed affected like that, so I'll drop it.

jaymc, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:47 (ten years ago) link

I mean fuck it, you can walk from one end of a street to the other and see 0 American presidents, 0 liberated countries, 0 cured diseases and 600 iphone ads xxp

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:48 (ten years ago) link

he had a direct impact on millions of poor people he didn't help with his lack of giving money away

iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:48 (ten years ago) link

Notice I said "generally" guys, but good job digging up old threads.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:48 (ten years ago) link

just out of curiosity, do y'all shit on henry ford too while riding to work?

(edit for the mass transit minded: do y'all shit on george stephenson while riding to work?)

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:48 (ten years ago) link

I see a bunch of american presidents every time I turn my trouser pocket inside out

i'm not trolling btw (admrl), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:48 (ten years ago) link

I've had American presidents in my pocket for two weeks of my whole life fwiw

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:49 (ten years ago) link

henry ford created death machines, was a nazi

iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:49 (ten years ago) link

Steve Jobs: not a nazi!

 (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:50 (ten years ago) link

qed

 (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:50 (ten years ago) link

Steve Jobs is loved by fiscal conservatives

i'm not trolling btw (admrl), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:50 (ten years ago) link

I think there is good evidence that steve jobs is not a nazi, otoh the cult of apple is probably comparable to early stages of nazi era germany

iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:51 (ten years ago) link

Occupy Steve Jobs

i'm not trolling btw (admrl), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:51 (ten years ago) link

hank ford was pretty philanthropic though

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:51 (ten years ago) link

John, the thing is, "You knew it was a snake when you picked it up," isn't the point. We expect people to be assholes in RIP threads, but that doesn't excuse them or make it less appropriate to point out that they are being assholes.

being sad that this greedy megalomaniac died is what makes you an asshole imo

my other display name is my facebook status (Lamp), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:51 (ten years ago) link

Sent from my iPhone

― my other display name is my facebook status (Lamp)

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:52 (ten years ago) link

fuck yeah IPHONE ADS

this changed my world for the better

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:52 (ten years ago) link

"Burt Miller, 56, was on his way to a San Francisco Apple store to pick up some replacement parts when his wife called to tell him that Mr. Jobs had died. He said he was crushed. Mr. Miller, who works in construction, said he had followed the presentation of the new iPhone the day before and was convinced that Mr. Jobs had too. “I think he saw it and knew Apple was going to make it and he let go.”

Matt Richtel and Somini Sengupta contributed reporting."

iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:54 (ten years ago) link

steve jobs didn't invent shit, wozniak did all of the tech

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:56 (ten years ago) link

maybe steve jobs invented the job title "UI designer"

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:57 (ten years ago) link

I'm not *sad* but I'm not celebrating, either. I mean for Christ's sake, I thought it was disgusting when people were cheering when Osama Bin Laden was killed.

xp to Lamp

Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:57 (ten years ago) link

even he gave to charity, tho

iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 04:59 (ten years ago) link

Granted, hating on Steve Jobs isn't quite on par with Alfred's classic shittiness on Bimble's thread, but still, it's pretty self-centered and self-important to think that your voice of dissent - in the form of repeating glaringly obvious fault of the deceased - must be heard when the corpse is hardly even cold yet. Death and cancer fucking suck, no matter who is dead. All I am pushing for is that people have a little class for a really short time and STFU in honor of a dead human being.

Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:01 (ten years ago) link

what is this ethical principle that states that if you are obscenely rich you are obliged to memorialize yourself through grandiose displays of largesse?

 (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:01 (ten years ago) link

yeah this thread would be really interesting if it was a bunch of people reposting "RIP" xp

k3vin k., Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:02 (ten years ago) link

fuck yeah IPHONE ADS

this changed my world for the better

― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:52 (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not the point I was making

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:05 (ten years ago) link

Actually, the traditional standard for many centuries was to distribute one's largesse quietly, with as little display as possible. Anonymously was always a good approach.

Aimless, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:05 (ten years ago) link

if I ever become obscenely wealthy I will discharge my fortune by anonymously erecting massive steel monoliths all across america

 (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:06 (ten years ago) link

that's basically what steve jobs did, he just put an apple logo on em

iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:08 (ten years ago) link

lol look at who's in this picture: http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2011/10/05/technology/20111006_JOBS_READER-18.html

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:08 (ten years ago) link

I haven't kept track, but I don't think it's necessarily the same people shitting on a RIP thread, but there is always someone who will be that way. Even when my dad died, my asshole sister-in-law had to "just be honest for a minute" and remember his temper and his bossiness and other negative traits. She was telling the truth - and not even a harsh or complete version of the truth - but that wasn't the time for it. But on the internet, people go in full throttle with accurate recollections of the bad parts of the dead, and it's no less of a NAGL here.

Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:09 (ten years ago) link

the difference is your dad was your dad, and steve jobs is a dude none of us knows who was a public figure

k3vin k., Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:11 (ten years ago) link

xxpost XD

the ┬──┬ is the ┬──┬ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:12 (ten years ago) link

steve jobs is really the father to us all, think about it

the ┬──┬ is the ┬──┬ (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:12 (ten years ago) link

Je55e otm. Also, most people itt are certainly not emotional about this guy's death, so running into the thread and screaming "YOU'RE ALL ARSEHOLES FOR CARING" is dickishly missing the point.

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:14 (ten years ago) link

i just found out about this, numb

Bee OK, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:14 (ten years ago) link

steve jobs was the drummer for gay dad

buzza, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:15 (ten years ago) link

not trying to shit on anyone and it sucks that he died so young, but i guess i'm surprised at the outpouring?

also fuck u, jesse's sister-in-law

mookieproof, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:15 (ten years ago) link

All arguments about "so what, someone you didn't know died" are perfectly rational, whether you're talking Lady Di or Steve Jobs (and I agree in general - cancer sucks but Steve Jobs dying doesn't make me feel anything) - but that's never going to change the way someone affected is going to feel, so it's kind of a dumb argument to get into. Let the people who do care do so in peace. Mourning death is better than celebrating death, at least.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:17 (ten years ago) link

Apple Inc. CEO Steve Jobs laid into teachers unions Friday at a Texas education reform conference, an Austin, Texas, newspaper reported, saying they're "what's wrong with our schools."

Teachers unions have traditionally represented one of Apple's most loyal group of customers and have largely stuck with the company since the days of the Apple IIe.

Unionization, said Jobs in reports filed by both the Associated Press and the Austin American-Statesman, was "off-the-charts crazy."

During a joint appearance with Michael Dell that was sponsored by the Texas Public Education Reform Foundation, Jobs took on the unions by first comparing schools to small businesses, and school principals to CEOs. He then asked rhetorically: "What kind of person could you get to run a small business if you told them that when they came in, they couldn't get rid of people that they thought weren't any good? Not really great ones, because if you're really smart, you go, 'I can't win.' "

He went on to say that "what is wrong with our schools in this nation is that they have become unionized in the worst possible way. This unionization and lifetime employment of K-12 teachers is off-the-charts crazy."

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:18 (ten years ago) link

Jobs took on the unions by first comparing schools to small businesses, and school principals to CEOs.

This applies to private schools, certainly

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:20 (ten years ago) link

steve jobs turned apple around by turning liberal humanism into a huge marketing gimmick and selling it to hipster college students. he disguised market relations as social relations and made dumb 20-somethings think that the role of seller/consumer is some kind of intimate social bond as long as the company has commercials that appeal to their generic liberalism. this is why a bunch of people are acting like when some CEO billionaire who sold them a product died it was like they lost a personal friend

The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:22 (ten years ago) link

^ masterpiece

iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:23 (ten years ago) link

andy ihnatko: http://www.suntimes.com/8057908-417/rip-steve-jobs-a-man-who-truly-changed-the-world.html

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:23 (ten years ago) link

the difference is your dad was your dad, and steve jobs is a dude none of us knows who was a public figure

― k3vin k., Thursday, October 6, 2011 12:11 AM (20 seconds ago) Bookmark

I recognize that, and to be honest, I'm commenting on the larger phenomenon of people's habit of piping up with criticism of the dead all over ILX and elsewhere. I mean, when Amy Winehouse died, a couple of relatively "normal" friends said some heinous and petty stuff about her, and she certainly could never rise to the level nastiness of Steve Jobs (one friend justified his statement by saying that people should be sad about the bombing in Norway, not some drug addict's death). But that is not to say I'm not annoyed at that phenomenon ITT.

It comes down to wondering what people get out of announcing their disdain for a recently dead person, especially when others admire that person. And pulling out further, I guess I'm pondering the nature of trolling.

Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:24 (ten years ago) link

this is why a bunch of people are acting like when some CEO billionaire who sold them a product died it was like they lost a personal friend

I am ready to unfollow a laod of people on Twitter for doing p much exactly that AND buying black skivvies in his honour

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:26 (ten years ago) link

don't do anything rash!

balls, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:27 (ten years ago) link

i'd guess they get at least as much out of it as someone who dutifully posts "RIP" - i don't necessarily have to agree with what the detractors say to not have a problem with them injecting some opposing viewpoints into the discussion, provided they're somewhat thoughtful. i don't see why those reactions are any less valid than anyone else's xxp

k3vin k., Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:28 (ten years ago) link

idk i think this dude was a terrible person who made the world a much worse place and 'the reaction' to his death is p off-putting to me, which i guess compels its own unpalatable counterreaction, not sure which response is the most 'legitimate'

n.e.way tamtam otm

my other display name is my facebook status (Lamp), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:29 (ten years ago) link

I would actually like to see a spirited debate on whether Steve Jobs made the world better or if he made the world worse

Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:31 (ten years ago) link

he made the world easier to navigate

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:33 (ten years ago) link

i'm certainly not glad this dude is dead and he was certainly some kind of genius but he was mostly good at making people feel good about buying his company's products and making people feel wrong about buying other products and turning apple cultists into an oprah's favorite things audience whenever a gadget appeared on the marketplace, but the worship of this particular man and his company was always a little weird to me.

omar little, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:35 (ten years ago) link

ppl saying steve jobs changed the world and made it a better place are getting a little carried away imo, it's not like he occupied wall street or something.

balls, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:35 (ten years ago) link

it's not like he released NEVERMIND twenty years ago

omar little, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:35 (ten years ago) link

he made the world small and portable

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:36 (ten years ago) link

Yikes. apple.com is eery right now.

Was he present at the announcement of 4S and iOS5 yesterday? I thought he gave the presentation....if only there were a high-tech device that connected to an information network so I could find out....

Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:36 (ten years ago) link

I just wrote a bunch of shit then lost it because Safari's been acting weird since Lion. OH SHIT STEVE JOBS SUCKS. AND HE HATE THE UNIONS.

I don't give a fuck. Steve Jobs absolutely changed the world for the better. I live my life on, with and through technologies he is responsible for. No, he didn't insert the CPU into my motherboard personally and yes he stole the mouse (and UI) from Xerox Parc. You know what it was doing there? It was sitting on a computer that cost 9,000 dollars that nobody was ever going to buy, or even see, and if you did play with it, it didn't quite work right. He said "this is how computing is going to go" and he made it happen. What technologies he didn't invent, he borrowed, stole, bought, licensed or simply fostered the environment that allowed them to exist. Or he was the one with the balls to kill it off. All that is significant.

I learned how to type on an Apple IIe when the only other computer in my school was a Commodore Pet. I played with a Lisa in the electronics dept of Bambergers, then used MacPaint on the first Mac. It wasn't a Quantel Paintbox, but that's the point. I work and live in an industry that wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the choices he made and pushed with the Macintosh. He made all these decisions, and every one is laughed at and second-guessed, then everyone plays catch up, and goes ahead to doubt and second-guess his next choice, and he's right again, then everyone pretends it was always that way. Do you remove all the decisions he made from the industry, from technology, and assume things would have been changed for the better anyway? The technology was there and would still be here, it would just suck much more.

I'm sure he was an asshole and I know he did a lot of fucked up things in his life. But he also managed to change shit majorly.

And bullshit on anyone who thinks people who feel like I do feel so because we're 20-something sheep. I've felt this way since the fucking mac was invented and I was 10 years old.

dan selzer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:36 (ten years ago) link

one man's better is another man's worse

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:37 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/5kjVw.jpg

StanM, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:38 (ten years ago) link

As I somewhat unpoetically said elsewhere:

A man who felt selling a bread slicer that wouldn't cut off your thumbs was a worthy proposition.

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:38 (ten years ago) link

Was he present at the announcement of 4S and iOS5 yesterday?

Je55e you will love this: http://www.cultofmac.com/121223/steve-jobs-and-the-reserved-seat/

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:39 (ten years ago) link

nice post, dan

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:40 (ten years ago) link

http://boingboing.net/

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:43 (ten years ago) link

neven mrgan: http://mrgan.tumblr.com/post/11090229578/steve

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:46 (ten years ago) link

From Ihnatko's obit:

I think of the stories. Yes, the funny ones (grifting Woz out of his fair share of the fee Atari paid for creating the electronics for the “Breakout” game, parking in handicapped spots) but those are overcrowded by the stories I’ve heard about him from Apple employees who’ve worked with him directly.
Funny peculiar or funny hilarious?

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:47 (ten years ago) link

http://www.boingboing.net

ah, i know what wordpress theme they're using

just changed my site to that theme (i can't be bothered to resize images etc - will do that some other time)

http://www.theoriginalsoundtrack.com

geeta, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:47 (ten years ago) link

cool!

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:49 (ten years ago) link

it's a neat theme

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:49 (ten years ago) link

neven's tumblr post is worth reading btw

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:49 (ten years ago) link

http://news.ycombinator.com/

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:51 (ten years ago) link

to emphasize jobs' innovation and brilliance, and to de-emphasize his more indefensible business practices, serves - unwittingly - to justify what was done. the point is not that we must, in reflecting on the life of the deceased, condemn him in absentia. it is too late for that; it would be a useless scholarly exercise in morality. but the easy acceptance of moral failures and human consequence as a deplorable but necessary price to pay for progress is just as noxious

(not equating jobs w/ columbus, lol)

k3vin k., Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:53 (ten years ago) link

whoa electronics manufacturer uses questionable labor themoreyouknow.jpg

guh (jjjusten), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:55 (ten years ago) link

gotta do what you gotta do right

k3vin k., Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:56 (ten years ago) link

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/1/1144949_e32682edd3_b.jpg

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:57 (ten years ago) link

agghh

geeta, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:57 (ten years ago) link

heres a fun game:

1. pick up your closest piece of technology
2. see where it is made
3. hmmmmmmm

guh (jjjusten), Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:58 (ten years ago) link

I have a locally grown organic smartphone

iatee, Thursday, 6 October 2011 05:59 (ten years ago) link

irl lol

the men who stare at gotye (electricsound), Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:01 (ten years ago) link

like i get where people are at with this and whatever but a better place for railing against terrible labor practices would be a "company CEOS that made everything i own in my house RIP" thread

guh (jjjusten), Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:02 (ten years ago) link

tell you what when Fjordsnor Ikea dies there will be HELL TO PAY

guh (jjjusten), Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:03 (ten years ago) link

he died three days after he was taken out the store

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:04 (ten years ago) link

short walt mossberg video at the end of this: http://allthingsd.com/20111005/the-steve-jobs-i-knew/

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:06 (ten years ago) link

merlin mann has a little tribute page up: http://www.43folders.com/index.html

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:11 (ten years ago) link

Damn. Says a lot about how much of the world he changed that BBC obit didn't even get round to mentioning Pixar, the company that swallowed Disney.

stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:13 (ten years ago) link

eric schmidt: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/10/05/eric-schmidt-on-steve-jobs’s-death/

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:14 (ten years ago) link

panic: http://www.panic.com/

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:23 (ten years ago) link

like i get where people are at with this and whatever but a better place for railing against terrible labor practices would be a "company CEOS that made everything i own in my house RIP" thread
― guh (jjjusten), Thursday, October 6, 2011 1:02 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

i don't get how people decide this line of discussion is inappropriate here but appropriate there. as i said upthread, can't we acknowledge the guy's legacy with all its contradictions?

i like using my mac, just as i buy stuff from amazon -- and both corporations have some really dubious business practices that help to explain their huge market share and profits. i guess that makes me a hypocrite, but i do think it's important to acknowledge the way we are all implicated -- steve jobs way more than the rest of us -- in a globalized system by which we benefit from the exploited labor of others. indeed we are very likely both exploited ourselves and contributing to enterprises that exploit others.

i just find it helpful to recall this since the usual apple-related discourse is so heavy on themes of transcendent fusion between man and machine, sleek design, productivity, yadda yadda. i think PrincessTamTam has been impolitic in this thread but s/he is not altogether wrong when s/he writes, "he disguised market relations as social relations and made dumb 20-somethings think that the role of seller/consumer is some kind of intimate social bond as long as the company has commercials that appeal to their generic liberalism. this is why a bunch of people are acting like when some CEO billionaire who sold them a product died it was like they lost a personal friend."

that's not all that's at play. certainly some admire specific things jobs and the teams he assembled contributed to computing. but apple's appeal went far beyond this, and part of this is because of the company's ability to use marketing to obfuscate the relations underlying its increasing market position etc.

/marxism

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:23 (ten years ago) link

steven frank: http://stevenf.tumblr.com/post/11092230457/steve-jobs

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:27 (ten years ago) link

zeldman: http://www.zeldman.com/2011/10/05/9086/

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:30 (ten years ago) link

(just an apple logo, btw)

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:31 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rwsuXHA7RA

lord

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:33 (ten years ago) link

but i do think it's important to acknowledge the way we are all implicated -- steve jobs way more than the rest of us

Yeh acknowledge, not hammer to a pulp.

Also: Steve insisted NeXT build its computers in the US, and invented a factory to do so. It was so expensive it nearly killed NeXT. When back at Apple he wasn't going to make the same mistake, and hence hired Tim Cook.

stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:41 (ten years ago) link

btw this is v good if it is actually substantive:

http://www.triplepundit.com/2011/04/apple-intel-cease-conflict-minerals/

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:45 (ten years ago) link

trent reznor: http://twitter.com/#!/trent_reznor/status/121788588986859521

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 06:58 (ten years ago) link

Damn. Says a lot about how much of the world he changed that BBC obit didn't even get round to mentioning Pixar, the company that swallowed Disney.

He basically saved Pixar from going bust right at the start and was still quite involved with them afaik.

kinder, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:04 (ten years ago) link

tamtam makes a reasonable point about how it's strange a lot of people think like they know him but for me at least that's mostly due to the keynotes. e.g. i'm not sure i've ever seen bill gates speak for more than a couple of sentences. i think i followed pretty much every keynote from his return to apple until a couple of years ago.

also here's 81 anecdotes about steve jobs from the mac launch era http://www.folklore.org/ProjectView.py?project=Macintosh&characters=Steve%20Jobs&detail=medium. great site.

caek, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:06 (ten years ago) link

I believe that Pixar DVD cases are made in China tho, and its films are advertised. XP

stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:07 (ten years ago) link

also nextstep was amazing and completely insane and at least half the the reason all of your OS X macs are so pleasant to use.

still lols at nextcube

caek, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:09 (ten years ago) link

Not long before Steve Jobs’ second coming to Apple in 1996 he was giving a talk to The Stanford Graduate School of Business’ High Tech Club at the home of a student. For three hours he sat in the lotus position on the floor in front of the living-room fireplace answering questions good-naturedly. Afterwards, the host, a young MBA candidate named Steve Jurvetson, asked the legendary figure to autograph his Macintosh keyboard which had already been signed by Apple cofounder Steve Woznyak.
Steve Jobs said he’d do it, but only if first he could remove all the unnecessary keys that his successors had added in a foolish effort to make the Mac more like a Microsoft-Intel PC. He despised the long row of so-called function keys (like “F1”) and the cluster of navigational arrow keys which were clunky alternatives to the more intuitive process of using a mouse to explore menus and icons. So Jobs pulled his car keys out of his pocket and began scooping into the computer keyboard, violently disgorging all the keys that offended him. “I’m changing the world one keyboard at a time”, he said with a straight face. Only then when he had mutilated the apparatus, did he take a pen and scribble his autograph on it.

(just as a side note - here's that very keyboard - http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/841771/ - Jurvetson's photos are nearly always interesting)

Ned Trifle X, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:22 (ten years ago) link

i heard that if hitler were alive today he would use some apple products

at-zing-two-boards (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:23 (ten years ago) link

Kinda nice:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6162/6216694440_0937aa3c97_b.jpg

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:35 (ten years ago) link

yeah, that is nice

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:35 (ten years ago) link

looks like the agile development strategy at my old work

Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:37 (ten years ago) link

http://yfrog.com/z/h8spqpknj

stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:47 (ten years ago) link

that @gen1usbart4l3s is doing some hardcore mourning for this jobs bloke

Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:49 (ten years ago) link

http://t.co/A6hQBMqM

stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 07:52 (ten years ago) link

Steve Jobs is the greatest entrepreneur who ever lived. He took his company from two guys in a garage to the highest valued company on the planet - I don't see how that will ever be surpassed. There are a handful of other business figures who can truly be considered "celebrities" - Bill Gates, Donald Trump, maybe Warren Buffet - but none that so many people felt a personal connection to. The products and services he conceived and helped bring about are a daily part of our lives.

The news of his passing will hit many people harder than that of major political figures or entertainers. It wouldn't surprise me if the Apple flagship stores are covered with flowers and notes running halfway up the glass by this evening (hope the renovations are finished at NYC/5th Ave).

Lee626, Thursday, 6 October 2011 08:47 (ten years ago) link

lol he would have loved this use of comic sans

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/10/infinate-jobs-mourn619.jpg

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 October 2011 08:49 (ten years ago) link

dunno who Lee626 is but i sb'd u anyway

Dios mio! This kid is FUN to hit! (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 October 2011 08:52 (ten years ago) link

lol i forgot about sb ffs

at-zing-two-boards (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 October 2011 08:54 (ten years ago) link

xxp, more a marker felt guy iirc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN0SVBCJqLs

caek, Thursday, 6 October 2011 09:04 (ten years ago) link

xp I expect to be sb'd because of my musical tastes, but not because I recognise SJ for who he really was. How many of us learned of his death on an iPhone?

Lee626, Thursday, 6 October 2011 09:06 (ten years ago) link

I read about it on a Samsung Galaxy S that wouldn't look the way it did without the iPhone I guess, so um yeah

StanM, Thursday, 6 October 2011 09:10 (ten years ago) link

messiahphone

at-zing-two-boards (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 October 2011 09:24 (ten years ago) link

max that brian lam post was great, thanks for linking. lol at

He replied, "You're just doing your job." And he said it in the kindest way possible. Which made me feel better and worse.

caek, Thursday, 6 October 2011 09:36 (ten years ago) link

gonna watch pirates of silicon valley this weekend i think

caek, Thursday, 6 October 2011 09:41 (ten years ago) link

Is there something in this "they called it 4S = for Steve" rumor?

StanM, Thursday, 6 October 2011 09:49 (ten years ago) link

We can’t say for sure that Steve would still be alive and making lives better were it not for the alternative therapy, but the statistics suggest it very strongly.
http://skeptoid.com/blog/2011/10/05/a-lesson-in-treating-illness/

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 October 2011 09:49 (ten years ago) link

there is zero public information about the alternative or conventional treatment he had, other than a liver transplant.

caek, Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:01 (ten years ago) link

Massive article on Jobs' life at The Register -

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/06/steve_jobs_bio_1/

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:11 (ten years ago) link

part one (11 pages)

Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:12 (ten years ago) link

126 footnotes

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:15 (ten years ago) link

so sorry I lolled at this :-(

http://i53.tinypic.com/nz0g49.png

StanM, Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:18 (ten years ago) link

They sure didn't write that on an iPad. xp

master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:18 (ten years ago) link

idgi xp

Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:22 (ten years ago) link

the iPhone camera used to have this weird bug - there's a whole iPhone Cubism flickr group and everything

StanM, Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:25 (ten years ago) link

ah

Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:25 (ten years ago) link

e.g. http://www.flickr.com/photos/kuniochi/2987523875/in/pool-878850@N22/

StanM, Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:28 (ten years ago) link

ooer that is weird

Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 6 October 2011 10:33 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/SCoJ0.png

(╯° □ °)╯did ✈ ▌▌ (cozen), Thursday, 6 October 2011 11:20 (ten years ago) link

Uh, you're seriously undercutting the fact that he shrunk computers down from the size of a whole room to something you can put on a desk (and now, in your pocket).

Without Apple rescuing PARC's work on WIMP GUIs from obscurity computers today might look pretty different, and obviously you can't sit on a bus without being within 4 seats of someone pawing at an iPhone, but the above is not really true imo.

The Altair 8800 predated the Apple I, but it doesn't look much like an 80s microcomputer. Think the Commodore PET and possibly the TRS-80 were in development before the world had seen a finished Apple I though. And in Europe throughout the 80s, where nobody could afford Apple, home micros based more on the PET model than on Apple (at least until the 16-bit era brought mice and GUIs into teenage bedrooms) did extremely well.

Feel similarly abt the posts abt "home recording on a computer exists solely bcz of Apple" (because of ProTools' decision to work only with G5 hard disks and Apple buying out Logic?) - given the Atari ST's ubiquity in recording studios in the 80s/90s, before Macs had any studio-level music software, that was probably another revolution that was going to happen anyway

Anyhow, dude was a v shrewd entrepreneur who obviously changed the face of the modern tech-gadget market, and RIP anyone who dies of cancer when they should have so much of their life still ahead of them, of course. Don't want to be a hater, just don't agree that this guy singlehandedly invented everything in computing after 1960. Carry on...

how do i shot slime mould voltron form (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 6 October 2011 12:04 (ten years ago) link

Atari was obv a big mac competitor in the music world...being very similar plus having the MIDI ports, and was more ubiquitous in the UK then it ever was in the US, but Macs with studio level software predate pro-tools. Look at the roots of Digidesign and see things like Sound Designer and Audiomedia cards. Did Atari's ever get advanced enough to handle sample processing, which predated direct to disc recording? And direct to disc's arrival when Vision turned into Studio Vision and later Performer into Digital Performer? Macs dominated the studio world before they bought Logic, due to Digidesign, but had and still have major competitors in the PC world. Especially with audio mastering.

dan selzer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 12:25 (ten years ago) link

just don't agree that this guy singlehandedly invented everything in computing after 1960.

Yeah, the truth lies somewhere between here and "lol he just made really good ads for toys wtf u care abt doggie"

But the difference he made is really huge. Didn't nec. invent, but totally changed: the desktop computer, gui computing, networked computing (plus the web was invented on a Jobs machine), web programming, digital music (despite starting at the back), the music industry, cell phones, digital photography and tablet computing. Oh, and computer animation while he was at it.

If someone thinks this was all just snappy ads w/dancing people, they high

stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 12:29 (ten years ago) link

Counter point to the Skeptoid link above: http://www.naturalnews.com/033793_Steve_Jobs_chemotherapy.html

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 October 2011 12:31 (ten years ago) link

He wouldn't have meant anything if Al Gore hadn't invented ~the internet~ tho

Young Swell (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 6 October 2011 12:32 (ten years ago) link

http://i.somethingawful.com/u/elpintogrande/oct11/steve_jobs2.gif

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 12:35 (ten years ago) link

I'd say there's an interesting narrative that certain industries which used GUI's' due to the necessity of the work, even before Macs became ubiquitous, were less tied to Apple the brand. In the music world you had things like Fairlight's with light pens. In CAD and drafting, people were using Mice on PC's well before Windows took over the PC interface world, and those are industries that didn't require using a Mac. For years and years the only people I knew in creative fields who deliberately chose a PC over a Mac were because of architectural and drafting options.

At some point the software certainly drives the hardware, like in Audio Mastering which I still see as predominantly PC, I think because of Steinberg and Sony making the preferred software and making it for PCs. (Steinberg's software was on the Mac as well but it wasn't as good). Same thing with Autocad. I think you have certain professions where the software is installed on a studio machine that's used for that one purpose, so it never mattered how useful or friendly it is for anything else.

But in desktop publishing...forget about it. Apple and Aldus and Adobe changed that world, wiped out entire industries and is still predominant. And in a lot of cases you get "creatives" who were drawn to Macs because they were easier to use and more beautiful and thats where the tools were. By the time the tools were the same on both sides, they were entrenched Apple users. Where the technical experts were, you have people not using Macs for two reasons...they weren't powerful enough or they were too expensive. For years all the design work was done on Macintosh computers but the computers that did the processing at the end were often workstations from Silicon Graphics or Sun or beefed up PCs. Same with animation and film. It wasn't until relatively recently that Macs, or really any "home" computer, were powerful enough to do this stuff.

I think publishing kept Apple in business. Even in the darkest days of the company, when the computers sucked and were too expensive and nobody was buying them for their kids or their homes, advertising and printing and publishing was still 99% Macintosh. At that point though, I think it was a lot of "creatives" who were designers first, computer people second(or third...or not at all) and even if you told them Quark looked and acted the same on a PC as on a Mac, they were not going to switch to Windows.

dan selzer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 12:57 (ten years ago) link

And I think people who make fun of NeXT computers often don't understand the workstation market, that it existed, and that it was dying.

dan selzer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 12:59 (ten years ago) link

The Onion Newswire: Panicking Apple Board Of Directors Attempt To Restart Steve Jobs

http://www.theonion.com/articles/panicking-apple-board-of-directors-attempt-to-rest,26264/

StanM, Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:06 (ten years ago) link

stevewoz Steve Wozniak
Keeping family dinner despite the disturbing news. (@ Outback Steakhouse) 4sq.com/pLzZCU
11 hours ago

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:07 (ten years ago) link

never change woz

max, Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:11 (ten years ago) link

http://www.folklore.org/ProjectView.py?project=Macintosh&characters=Steve%20Jobs&detail=medium

The Folklore site, a creation of one of the members of the original Macintosh team, is a great window into how Jobs and his team interacted back in the early 80s. Software development was a different beast back then, and the team coupled those developers with hardware developers in a way that doesn't necessarily happen these days.

One of my faves:
http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Pineapple_Pizza.txt&characters=Steve%20Jobs&sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date&detail=medium

Jobs challenges his team to work until they have the first circuit board up and running, and takes them all for pizza.

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:43 (ten years ago) link

ha i read one on that site before abt how s jobs thought the way the wiring was done inside one of their early computers was aesthetically unpleasing and the engineers were all but no one can see it and he was like but i know its there redo it

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:48 (ten years ago) link

He was always a super-secretive guy, but I found it curious that this article (from last August) notes that there is no public record of any charitable giving on Jobs' part:

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/the-mystery-of-steve-jobss-public-giving/

What's more, the article notes that when he returned to Apple in 1997, he ended the company's philanthropic programs and never restored them:

Mr. Jobs’s views on charity are unclear since he rarely talks about it. But in 1997, when Mr. Jobs returned to Apple, he closed the company’s philanthropic programs. At the time, he said he wanted to restore the company’s profitability. Despite the company’s $14 billion in profits last year and its $76 billion cash pile today, the giving programs have never been reinstated.

I'd be interested to learn if he's been secretly up to charitable stuff, but apparently Apple has long been considered one of America's least philanthropic companies.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:49 (ten years ago) link

Jobs had some random bizarro ideas about money and business and especially charity!

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:51 (ten years ago) link

my only comment here is that ppl were putting flowers on the sidewalk outside of the Boylston St Apple store last night and I really don't understand doing that, like not even a little bit

RIP Steve Jobs, you were a scary smart dude

the tax avocado (DJP), Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:55 (ten years ago) link

im totally not trying to defend this morally at all but as way of explanation cutting philanthropic giving from apple was v much in line w/jobs' larger approach at the company which was that he cut almost everything, honing the company down to just a few core things they focused intensely on, giving just wasnt you know an ipod

curious to hear who he left his fortune to tho

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:56 (ten years ago) link

On another note, the blog post from the Gizmodo guy, Brian Lam, really reveals how Jobs felt about relating to people in business and as people. The story I got out of it was that Lam thought it was a big enough story to leak the iPhone 4 crap that it was worth sacrificing the cachet his site had with Steve fucking Jobs to get a bunch of hits the one time. The fact that Jobs had the note written acknowledging ownership of the phone rather than going down a legal route was pretty much Jobs writing the guy off.

Still seems like an idiot move.

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:58 (ten years ago) link

well, uh, it was a "big enough" story

max, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:02 (ten years ago) link

it was a huge story--basically the biggest story a gadget blog could possibly have--and its not like steve jobs was... giving them tons of exclusive interviews or anything. the "cachet" was basically that once he told brian that he liked the site.

max, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:03 (ten years ago) link

stupidest fucking thing, tho "I knew I could tell Steve Jobs what to do so I was going to". He already had the scoop and the story. This was just him going "cry uncle, bitch".

stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:06 (ten years ago) link

see like, if this was about finding out what next year's beanie baby was going to look like, i'm sure we'd all agree it was stupid. but because it is about A MAGICAL DEVICE THAT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE we agree that it's news.

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:08 (ten years ago) link

yeh, the scoop *was* news. Pushing for a "Apple CONFIRMS that our IPHONE 4 IS APPLE'S" headline was just k-lame.

stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:11 (ten years ago) link

ha i read one on that site before abt how s jobs thought the way the wiring was done inside one of their early computers was aesthetically unpleasing and the engineers were all but no one can see it and he was like but i know its there redo it

― ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:48 (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha yeah that is a good one. bet he paints behind his radiators too.

caek, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:12 (ten years ago) link

Well, if he wrote for a blog about beanie babies and made his living writing about beanie babies, it'd be a big deal.

dan selzer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:12 (ten years ago) link

more a strategic error than lame imo, but as lam says, the follow up they did was pretty shameful.

caek, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:13 (ten years ago) link

Funny how Lam would come out with a story like that only now that Jobs is no longer around to dispute it.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:13 (ten years ago) link

Awesome lucid posting by lamp / amateurist and the computer historians. It's difficult to make fun of those acting like a friend just died because the grieving seems real but the whole phenomenon is a bit scary IMHO.

wolves lacan, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:15 (ten years ago) link

I've posted it elsewhere, but my computing history was basically "wanting a Mac -> using PCs during the dead period of the 90s -> lusting after a used NeXT system -> buying a Mac" and it pretty much coincides with Steve Jobs' tenure with the company.

Can you imagine what Pixar would be like if someone else had bought George Lucas's computer graphics division?

( ) (mh), Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:20 (ten years ago) link

Or, god forbid, it stayed a Lucas property.

( ) (mh), Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:22 (ten years ago) link

remember whiney's thread a few weeks ago where ebbybody got butthurt about Horkheimer/Adorno and whether they thought referencing Marxist theory was pretentious frontin or not? Well, I kinda wish TA were around right now to say some profound shit about the commodification of mass production, and the anointed son cult of personality around Jobs.

remy bean, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:23 (ten years ago) link

He was always a super-secretive guy, but I found it curious that this article (from last August) notes that there is no public record of any charitable giving on Jobs' part:

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/08/29/the-mystery-of-steve-jobss-public-giving/

What's more, the article notes that when he returned to Apple in 1997, he ended the company's philanthropic programs and never restored them:

Mr. Jobs’s views on charity are unclear since he rarely talks about it. But in 1997, when Mr. Jobs returned to Apple, he closed the company’s philanthropic programs. At the time, he said he wanted to restore the company’s profitability. Despite the company’s $14 billion in profits last year and its $76 billion cash pile today, the giving programs have never been reinstated.

I'd be interested to learn if he's been secretly up to charitable stuff, but apparently Apple has long been considered one of America's least philanthropic companies.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, October 6, 2011 8:49 AM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark

was gonna post about this too. apple is pretty much the only major company in the u.s. with no charitable giving. and the big deal isn't that he ended the philanthropic programs to cut corners, it's that he never restored them even once the company became one of the most profitable companies in the world.

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:25 (ten years ago) link

And I think people who make fun of NeXT computers often don't understand the workstation market, that it existed, and that it was dying.

― dan selzer, Thursday, 6 October 2011 13:59 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

who made fun of next? i kill them.

those machines are literally the reason i have the job i have today.

caek, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:36 (ten years ago) link

stupidest fucking thing, tho "I knew I could tell Steve Jobs what to do so I was going to". He already had the scoop and the story. This was just him going "cry uncle, bitch".

― stet, Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:06 AM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well, right, the whole essay is about how kindly SJ treated him even though he was--as he admits several times--an enormous dick

max, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:37 (ten years ago) link

some of my fondest academic memories from college involve working on graphics projects with my roommate in a lab full of NeXT workstations

the tax avocado (DJP), Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:38 (ten years ago) link

Funny how Lam would come out with a story like that only now that Jobs is no longer around to dispute it.

― James Mitchell, Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:13 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah, its funny that lam would write an essay about what a nice guy steve jobs is when steve jobs isnt around to say "im actually an asshole"

max, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:38 (ten years ago) link

i think, at least since Princess Diana, there has been a trend towards a histrionic public grieving of celebrities. I don't know what it means but it does seem significant of something. im actually tempted to connect it to Julian Jaynes type theories about the gods really just being dead chiefs/leaders, except that now these are tabloid celebrities or face behind our mass consumption.

ryan, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:38 (ten years ago) link

http://www.achievement.org/newsletter/audio/jobs-aud.mov Jobs in 82.

stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:38 (ten years ago) link

IS there really a huge groundswell of grieving here, though? I mean I've seen a few bunches of flowers about the place, but we're not talking Diana or Jacko or something here.

stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:39 (ten years ago) link

Or, god forbid, it stayed a Lucas property.

Was wondering about that on the way into work. I can see Lasseter now, just a behind the scenes man on some of the DVDs talking about the great challenge it was working on Jar Jar Binks.

i think, at least since Princess Diana, there has been a trend towards a histrionic public grieving of celebrities.

Poor Elvis, nobody cared.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:40 (ten years ago) link

for my own part im a little sad because Jobs was too young and obviously brilliant, and cancer sucks. I have no illusions about his or Apple's role as a corporation seeking profit (nor my own complicity in that and the likely suffering those systems cause).

ryan, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:42 (ten years ago) link

i wasnt around for Elvis! point taken though.

ryan, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:42 (ten years ago) link

i mean, i guess we could go back to Valentino if we really wanted to.

ryan, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:43 (ten years ago) link

Jim Morrison, maybe?

Look I just wrote a poem about this : D

Step forward: we hear
That you are a good man.
You cannot be bought, but the lightning
Which strikes the house, also
Cannot be bought.
You hold to what you said.
But what did you say?
You are honest, you say your opinion.
Which opinion?
You are brave.
Against whom?
You are wise.
For whom?
You do not consider your personal advantages.
Whose advantages do you consider then?
You are a good friend.
Are you also a good friend of the good people?
Hear us then: we know.
You are our enemy. This is why we shall
Now put you in front of a wall. But in consideration
of your merits and good qualities
We shall put you in front of a good wall and shoot you
With a good bullet from a good gun and bury you
With a good shovel in the good earth.

wolves lacan, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:47 (ten years ago) link

Don't think he would've wanted anything more tbh

 (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:52 (ten years ago) link

So does this mean that the iPhone5 will shoot to the number one position?

Mark G, Thursday, 6 October 2011 14:53 (ten years ago) link

what a weird comic. is that a reference to some movie i don't know? is that what the new cupertino campus is going to look like?

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:13 (ten years ago) link

Wonder if the NeXT Cube I bought for 20 bucks is going up in value.

errant flynn, Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:13 (ten years ago) link

It's labelled "Eternal Flame" on the XKCD site xp

ugh comparing jobs to kennedy makes me feel ill

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:23 (ten years ago) link

Local Apple Store has their the lights, as if they're trying to create some weird chapel-of-remembrance atmosphere in there.

At work today I have had about ten times the usual number of requests for new iMacs & MacBooks :S

master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:23 (ten years ago) link

has dimmed their lights

master musicians of jamiroquai (NickB), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:24 (ten years ago) link

i would think they'd take the day off at the apple store

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:24 (ten years ago) link

Whoa whoa whoa there's money to be made here.

ask not what your ipad 2 case can do for you

stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:25 (ten years ago) link

symbolism:

the flame that does not go out vs. the browser that always beachballs

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:26 (ten years ago) link

Whoa whoa whoa there's money to be made here.

― You people are supposed to be some kind of music culture intelligentsi (Phil D.), Thursday, October 6, 2011 8:25 AM (2 minutes ago)

in a somewhat tacky confluence of marketing, i received an iPhone4S spam mail around the time of Jobs' death yesterday.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:28 (ten years ago) link

ugh comparing jobs to kennedy makes me feel ill

Image-conscious highly polished presenters advancing certain approaches, trying not to be caught out by anything they wanted to keep secret and not always succeeding, being inspirations nonetheless, dying in sucky ways...

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:28 (ten years ago) link

has dimmed their lights

And playing Gregorian chants. Occasionally, the soft sound of weeping can be heard, but otherwise, silence.

DSMOS has arrived (kenan), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:29 (ten years ago) link

yeah but i literally cried the last time i reread his inaugural address. i think the messages they presented are qualitatively very different, and the message of kennedy's life i think is a much higher thing to aspire to than YAY A MOUSE YAY A GUI YAY ITUNES YAY FARMVILLE ON IPAD

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:30 (ten years ago) link

http://i56.tinypic.com/2zfrfdk.jpg

^ posted from her iPhone

thank you BIG HOOS, you brilliant god-man (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:31 (ten years ago) link

you'd think surely someone had already hacked a "here's to the dreamers" think different commercial together with a b&w photo of jobs and birth/death dates by now as the closing frame, fading to black, then just the apple logo in white but can i find it on the youtubes, just to chortle grimly at it, to what purpose i know not? can i fuck

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:32 (ten years ago) link

Bob Garfield OTM

DSMOS has arrived (kenan), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:41 (ten years ago) link

can you fuck?

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:42 (ten years ago) link

Maybe it was rhetorical, along the lines of "am I blue?"

DSMOS has arrived (kenan), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:44 (ten years ago) link

yeah classic jfk rhetorical q imo

at-zing-two-boards (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:44 (ten years ago) link

I wonder how many of Apple's slave laborers in china committed suicide when they heard this sad, sad news

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:45 (ten years ago) link

take it to the overseas slave labour thread imo

at-zing-two-boards (darraghmac), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:47 (ten years ago) link

D-

 (silby), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:48 (ten years ago) link

no ILM steve jobs RIP but what's on your iPod thread yet?

Crackle Box, Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:49 (ten years ago) link

Not until you start one.

Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:50 (ten years ago) link

sorry guys, slipped into glaswegian for a second - i blame the return of rab c. nesbit to the airwaves

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:53 (ten years ago) link

believe the proper spelling is "can i fuc"

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 15:54 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/ZrOZd.png

ice cr?m, Thursday, 6 October 2011 16:48 (ten years ago) link

guilty LOLs

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 16:51 (ten years ago) link

Interesting, detailed tribute here from the Residents:

http://www.residents.com/home/

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:05 (ten years ago) link

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lol-qaeda (am0n), Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:08 (ten years ago) link

LOL

yung huma (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:10 (ten years ago) link

are you fucking kidding me

the tax avocado (DJP), Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:11 (ten years ago) link

horrible

Mr. Que, Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:13 (ten years ago) link

I haven't been this enraged by someone using technology to mourn since I first encountered ;_;

the tax avocado (DJP), Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:16 (ten years ago) link

Remove Bookmark from this Thread

(╯°□°)╯︵ ya, (╯°□°)╯︵ ya for real (gbx), Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:16 (ten years ago) link

i was playing devil's advocate on this thread for a while, but kill these people. kill them all.

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:17 (ten years ago) link

did sum1 already post this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJSFFpDuGZU&feature=player_embedded

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:17 (ten years ago) link

not kill--just maim

xpost

Mr. Que, Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:17 (ten years ago) link

i was playing devil's advocate on this thread for a while, but kill these people. kill them all.

co-sign

DaTruf (Nicole), Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:19 (ten years ago) link

^^ Jobs's own voice-over vs. the Richard Dreyfuss v.o. used in the final version.

per metal injection (Eazy), Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:23 (ten years ago) link

xp i hope that person smashed their own phone when they heard the news

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:23 (ten years ago) link

I mean, come on. Love the guy's products or no, but as a dude Jobs was a total inscrutable cipher. Sort of like Howard Hughes had his OCD manifested itself as Machiavellian ambition.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:24 (ten years ago) link

Apple Store Robbery Interrupted by Jobs Mourners

http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article.aspx?aID=128673.54928.140818

Best part is the police report that mentions the store's "owner passed earlier this afternoon."

Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:24 (ten years ago) link

http://a.abcnews.com/images/Technology/gty_steve_jobs_reaction_14_dm_111006_ssh.jpg

Mario Spinetti sits outside the Apple Store on West 66th Street after hearing of the death of Steve Jobs, founder and former CEO of Apple Inc., in the early hours of Oct. 6, 2011 in New York City. (Andrew Burton/Getty Images)

lol-qaeda (am0n), Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:28 (ten years ago) link

developers developers developers developers
developers developers developers developers

lol-qaeda (am0n), Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:31 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, but did that Nobel prize winning dude revolutionize the way I watch movies on my phone? Didn't think so. Chump.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:33 (ten years ago) link

http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2011/10/steve_jobs_amazon.png

dayo, Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:38 (ten years ago) link

one of those percentage points belongs to markers

dayo, Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:38 (ten years ago) link

still haven't ordered my copy

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:49 (ten years ago) link

i will tho

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:49 (ten years ago) link

(ies)

omar little, Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:49 (ten years ago) link

According to a person familiar with the matter, Isaacson last interviewed Jobs four weeks ago, right before, and right after he stepped down from his post as the CEO of Apple.

Jobs indicated at that time that he knew he was going to die soon. The scene will appear at the end of the book.

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2011/10/05/coming-steve-jobs-biography-will-draw-on-his-final-weeks-of-life/

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:51 (ten years ago) link

john sculley: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2011/10/06/former-apple-ceo-john-sculley-praises-jobs/

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 17:59 (ten years ago) link

I'm really interested to read that book because it look intrsting but also why because I wonder how much of the success was Jobs's personality vs right-place-time and context.

I mean, Jobs was exactly the same Jobs at NeXT, and made great products, but basically failed. If Apple hadn't also been failing harder and bought him to save themselves, he'd have gone under on that one.

Yet put the same guy back into Apple with basically the same vision and in under 15 years it was the world's biggest company.

He was obv a nightmare to work with, and only got away with it finally by being the boss *and* successful. I wonder what that type of guy would have been if he hadn't grown up when and where he did, perfectly positioned for the microcomputer boom.

stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:00 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK_XEGrzHUo

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:01 (ten years ago) link

xp He didn't have Jonathan Ive at NeXT.

polyphonic, Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:01 (ten years ago) link

NeXT had some gorgeous kit, all the same. The slab is lush.

Funny too how Ive needed Jobs to really get going: he'd already been at Apple for a few years and was about ready to quit when Jobs found him.

stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:04 (ten years ago) link

Release date for the biography now October 24.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:10 (ten years ago) link

My biggest takeaway from this thread is Woz's unwavering love for American suburban chain restaurants.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:12 (ten years ago) link

i want to know what tamtam's awesome anti-papal comic book is!

i feel like i've seen that artist before

banana mogul (goole), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:13 (ten years ago) link

What will people say when Woz dies?

@appllecultist RIP Woz, we will never forget (Checked in for Festive Nachos at Chevy's Cupertino 4sq.ly/al24jl)

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:13 (ten years ago) link

XP: It's Jodorowsky and ?? collab on Borgias, english language came out about 5 years ago.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:14 (ten years ago) link

NeXT came as the workstation market was dying. He also learned to delegate while managing strongly.

( ) (mh), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:20 (ten years ago) link

"I wonder what that type of guy would have been if he hadn't grown up when and where he did, perfectly positioned for the microcomputer boom."
woz would probably still sport that awesome nixie watch.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:22 (ten years ago) link

oh manara ok

banana mogul (goole), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:22 (ten years ago) link

George Lucas:

Star Wars creator George Lucas, whose relationship with Steve Jobs goes back decades, expressed his thoughts on Jobs’ passing Thursday. The former Apple co-founder died at 56 due to complications from pancreatic cancer.

"The magic of Steve was that while others simply accepted the status quo, he saw the true potential in everything he touched and never compromised on that vision. He leaves behind an incredible family and a legacy that will continue to speak to people for years to come,” Lucas said in a statement.

"The magic of Steve was that while others simply accepted the status quo, he saw the true potential in everything he touched and never compromised on that vision... similar to what I have been doing with my silly sci fi movies for the past 35 years."

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:27 (ten years ago) link

t/s NeXT vs SGI

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:31 (ten years ago) link

the internet being the internet, I am surprised and very glad that the "one more thing" rider on that JPG is eyeglasses and not cancer

the tax avocado (DJP), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:32 (ten years ago) link

why are those shoes $100? they're always $40 at big-5.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:33 (ten years ago) link

US-made version

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:34 (ten years ago) link

I just noticed the headshot on his iPhone

the tax avocado (DJP), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:34 (ten years ago) link

the $40 ones are made in chinese sweatshops

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:35 (ten years ago) link

or they're knockoffs

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:35 (ten years ago) link

how much is the US made iPhone?

US-made Levi's are $180.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:36 (ten years ago) link

us made iphone is still $180 but you have to provide proof you've oppressed a chinese orphan in order to even get on the waiting list.

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:39 (ten years ago) link

http://newbalance.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5

^^ i think the rule of thumb is that if it costs over $100 it's part of the US line but you still have to read every tag on the shoe itself to figure it out.

to add to the confusion, some shoes are partly stitched in the US or UK, sent to china, where different parts are stitched together, and then sent back to the US or UK for finishing.

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:39 (ten years ago) link

i just checked the label -- my NBs were made in vietnam, yo.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:41 (ten years ago) link

The flowers and emotionally overcome fans are weird and creepy.

I didn't see this posted yet, but I think it's interesting. ‘This Stuff Doesn’t Change the World’: Disability and Steve Jobs’ Legacy http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2011/10/steve-jobs-disability/

Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:52 (ten years ago) link

Huh. At least one of Chicago's Apple stores is closed today. http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/300876_2437733903567_1258332056_32838835_792604724_n.jpg

Je55e, Thursday, 6 October 2011 18:56 (ten years ago) link

Wired: What’s the biggest surprise this technology will deliver?

Jobs: The problem is I’m older now, I’m 40 years old, and this stuff doesn’t change the world. It really doesn’t.

Wired: That’s going to break people’s hearts.

Jobs: I’m sorry, it’s true. Having children really changes your view on these things. We’re born, we live for a brief instant, and we die. It’s been happening for a long time. Technology is not changing it much — if at all.

These technologies can make life easier, can let us touch people we might not otherwise. You may have a child with a birth defect and be able to get in touch with other parents and support groups, get medical information, the latest experimental drugs. These things can profoundly influence life. I’m not downplaying that. But it’s a disservice to constantly put things in this radical new light — that it’s going to change everything. Things don’t have to change the world to be important

at what point between this and "the ipad is a magical device" did he and we lose the plot?

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 19:00 (ten years ago) link

the corollary to that is that things might change the world, but not influence life

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 19:00 (ten years ago) link

false dichotomy.

strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 6 October 2011 19:05 (ten years ago) link

Missed the onion's second attempt this morning http://www.theonion.com/articles/last-american-who-knew-what-the-fuck-he-was-doing,26268/

stet, Thursday, 6 October 2011 19:39 (ten years ago) link

I think, more than anything, I admire his style in wearing a sweater tucked in without a belt

dayo, Thursday, 6 October 2011 20:04 (ten years ago) link

fuck cancer you guys

― ilx user 'silby' (silby), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 8:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Boy, way to go out on a limb here.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Thursday, 6 October 2011 20:08 (ten years ago) link

Bill Magill, ladies and gentlemen.

polyphonic, Thursday, 6 October 2011 20:09 (ten years ago) link

I think, more than anything, I admire his style in wearing a sweater tucked in without a belt

― dayo, Thursday, October 6, 2011 4:04 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I agree with this. There is no way i could keep my pants up if i tried this. What he pulled off here was incredible.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Thursday, 6 October 2011 20:09 (ten years ago) link

I take that back

dayo, Thursday, 6 October 2011 20:10 (ten years ago) link

Bill Magill's less of a "fuck cancer you guys" type and more of a "fuck prostitutes you guys" type

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 6 October 2011 20:11 (ten years ago) link

Not sure the two are mutually exclusive.

You're a notch, I'm a legend (Bill Magill), Thursday, 6 October 2011 20:15 (ten years ago) link

i'm getting tested to see if i can donate some of my bone marrow to this kid, in san francisco:

http://tumblr.amitgupta.com/post/11102689089/two-weeks-ago-i-got-a-call-from-my-doctor-who-id

don't know him, but poor guy--that is a raw deal

geeta, Thursday, 6 October 2011 20:29 (ten years ago) link

bears repeating: fuck cancer

dayo, Thursday, 6 October 2011 20:31 (ten years ago) link

he sounded amazing today on fresh air talking about the intersection of computing and liberal arts

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 20:59 (ten years ago) link

I mean, Jobs was exactly the same Jobs at NeXT, and made great products, but basically failed. If Apple hadn't also been failing harder and bought him to save themselves, he'd have gone under on that one.

Yet put the same guy back into Apple with basically the same vision and in under 15 years it was the world's biggest company.

There's a lot being made about him learning from his mistakes atm.

Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:12 (ten years ago) link

btw his biography is the main reason ebooks are great – I do not need to be seen in public reading it

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:19 (ten years ago) link

Speaking of which, from Isaacson's preview:

It turned out that he wanted me to write a biography of him. (...) I assumed that he was still in the middle of an oscillating career that had many more ups and downs left, I demurred. Not now, I said. Maybe in a decade or two, when you retire.

But I later realized that he had called me just before he was going to be operated on for cancer for the first time.

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:24 (ten years ago) link

xp: "I will read this from the anonymity of my iPad."

the tax avocado (DJP), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:24 (ten years ago) link

THAT I had wondered about for a while, especially when the book's release date was brought forward nine months.

xp lol I meant my kindle

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:25 (ten years ago) link

also from Isaacson:

Why had he been so eager, during close to 50 interviews and conversations over the course of two years, to open up so much for a book when he was usually so private? “I wanted my kids to know me,” he said. “I wasn’t always there for them, and I wanted them to know why and to understand what I did.”

So he wanted to tell them that through a book? Weren't they like upstairs at that point?

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:30 (ten years ago) link

xp that is great and 100% otm

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:31 (ten years ago) link

eric schmidt:

I should tell you this story. We’re in a meeting at NeXT, before Steve went back to Apple. I’ve got my chief scientist. After the meeting, we leave and try to unravel the argument to figure out where Steve was wrong—because he was obviously wrong. And we couldn’t do it. We’re standing in the parking lot. He sees us from his office, and he comes back out to argue with us some more. It was over a technical issue involving Objective C, a computer language. Why he would care about this was beyond me. I’ve never seen that kind of passion.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/eric-schmidt-on-steve-jobs-10062011.html

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:47 (ten years ago) link

Yo Bill Magill, there's like a whole "fuck cancer" thread if you want to stop by and ruin that too: This is the thread where we curse cancer.

http://i.imgur.com/xq6Su.jpg

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:53 (ten years ago) link

ron wayne: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/10/05/apple_co_founder_says_time_with_steve_jobs_was_a_great_privilege_of_his_life.html

Wayne has taken a unique place in Apple's history, as he sold off his 10 percent stake in the company for a total of $2,300, just 12 days after its founding. In the ensuing years, he has had to answer numerous times whether he regrets the decision, given that his stake in the company would now be worth roughly $35 billion.

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:54 (ten years ago) link

man, jobs backlash on my facebook is everywhere. i got some cranky facebook friends.

scott seward, Thursday, 6 October 2011 21:56 (ten years ago) link

robert scoble: http://scobleizer.com/2011/10/06/my-apology-to-tim-cook-and-remembering-steve-jobs/

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 22:00 (ten years ago) link

Tonight I was driving near the Cupertino/Sunnyvale border when I heard the news on KGO Radio. Steve Jobs had died. I shot a rainbow over Silicon Valley shortly after I heard the news

This makes it seem like he got out a gun and shot a rainbow for the hell of it. While driving.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 October 2011 22:05 (ten years ago) link

Shot a rainbow just for snorin'.

Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 6 October 2011 22:08 (ten years ago) link

loool ned

markers, Thursday, 6 October 2011 22:11 (ten years ago) link

http://wallres.saiswa.com/bg/venkman/g/Artistic-Rainbow-Gun.jpg

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 October 2011 22:16 (ten years ago) link

(sorry)

Tonight I was driving near the Cupertino/Sunnyvale border when I heard the news on KGO Radio. Steve Jobs had died. I shot a rainbow over Silicon Valley shortly after I heard the news
This makes it seem like he got out a gun and shot a rainbow for the hell of it. While driving.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, October 6, 2011 3:05 PM (17 minutes ago)

There was a lot of shooting in Cupertino yesterday:
http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_19053900?source=most_viewed

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 6 October 2011 22:25 (ten years ago) link

Too true, sadly.

The whole 'hey did you know Steve Jobs was part-Syrian' news is going around again, thus:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/06/steve-jobs-son-of-a-syrian-is-embraced-in-the-arab-world/

Which links to this story and interview with his real father and good god, that's a family resemblance for sure:

http://www.razorianfly.com/wp-content/uploads/screen-shot-2011-08-28-at-1-59-02-pm.png

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 October 2011 22:52 (ten years ago) link

“This might sound strange, though, but I am not prepared, even if either of us was on our deathbeds, to pick up the phone to call him,” Jandali said.

“Steve will have to do that, as the Syrian pride in me does not want him ever to think I am after his fortune,” he said.

“Now I just live in hope that, before it is too late, he will reach out to me, because even to have just one coffee with him just once would make me a very happy man,” he said.

“I’d be lying if I said it doesn’t sadden me to have not been part of my son’s incredible journey,” he said. “What father wouldn’t think that? And I would think that even if he was not the head of a hugely successful company.”

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 October 2011 22:53 (ten years ago) link

shoot a rainbow in memory of hunter s thompson

i was thinking today about the contrast between mobileme and google docs, and wondering whether it would suit google to be more like apple, and vice versa.

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 23:14 (ten years ago) link

also i think there is a lot of truth in the onion article! i realized today my dad is steve jobs age and suddenly i got really sad, maybe as sad as mom was acting! :-(

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 6 October 2011 23:35 (ten years ago) link

Apologies if someone already posted this... thread moving p quick.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/cork118/wbc.jpg

Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Thursday, 6 October 2011 23:46 (ten years ago) link

Apparently she went on to say "Rebels mad cuz I used iPhone to tell you Steve Jobs is in hell. God created iPhone for that purpose!"

o_0

Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Thursday, 6 October 2011 23:47 (ten years ago) link

...rebels?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 October 2011 23:57 (ten years ago) link

Wait so Jobs taught sin but god created the iphone?

WWWAAAHHHTTT

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Friday, 7 October 2011 00:05 (ten years ago) link

Do not stare into the logic abyss that is the Phelpseses, lest it eat your brain.

Silent Hedgehogs (Trayce), Friday, 7 October 2011 00:07 (ten years ago) link

In a few interviews, Jobs hinted at his early experience with the psychedelic drug LSD. Of Microsoft founder Bill Gates, Jobs said: "I wish him the best, I really do. I just think he and Microsoft are a bit narrow. He'd be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once or gone off to an ashram when he was younger."
The connection has enough weight that Albert Hofmann, the Swiss scientist who first synthesized (and took) LSD, appealed to Jobs for funding for research about the drug's therapeutic use.
In a book interview, Jobs called his experience with the drug "one of the two or three most important things I have done in my life." As Jobs himself has suggested, LSD may have contributed to the "think different" approach that still puts Apple's designs a head above the competition.

Moonbear Currency (admrl), Friday, 7 October 2011 00:09 (ten years ago) link

I thought up this shit called Burrito Glue when I was on acid. It holds your tortilla together.

errant flynn, Friday, 7 October 2011 00:39 (ten years ago) link

i'm stealing your idea.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 7 October 2011 00:45 (ten years ago) link

When I did this the sky looked properly round like the curvature of the Earth, rather than the sort of flat arc that we all perceive it to be. That impression lasted for about six weeks.

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Friday, 7 October 2011 01:18 (ten years ago) link

ha

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 October 2011 03:41 (ten years ago) link

i have a better idea than burrito glue

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Friday, 7 October 2011 04:22 (ten years ago) link

though a cursory search indicates people in cupertino have already monetized that pun

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Friday, 7 October 2011 04:24 (ten years ago) link

@stevewoz
Steve Wozniak
After Bloomberg interview in the city, dinner and then we can crash. (@ Ruth's Chris Steak House) 4sq.com/rsKQuw

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 7 October 2011 05:29 (ten years ago) link

This is no time for your obtuse Twitter meta-jokes, can't you see people are grieving here

Moonbear Currency (admrl), Friday, 7 October 2011 05:46 (ten years ago) link

They should really consider putting a product back on the front page

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Friday, 7 October 2011 05:57 (ten years ago) link

I mean I know the world's still crying in unison but

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Friday, 7 October 2011 06:00 (ten years ago) link

ha

i liked kraftwerk's minimalist tribute on twitter: 'Danke, Steve Jobs'

straight, to the point, not a word out of place

ralf probably posted it from his iphone

geeta, Friday, 7 October 2011 06:18 (ten years ago) link

http://www.residents.com/home/

Steve Jobs

I wasn't going to say anything. After all so many people are covering his accomplishments. But I thought it would be important to note how Steve Jobs has helped change and create The Residents.

Apple computers had a perspective that regular people should be able to do remarkable things that they would not normally be able to do if assisted by computers. Technicians should not be the exclusive controllers of that world.

The Residents have always been masters of using technology on a human scale. Ralph Records in the late '70's ran on an old Apple II. The software used was custom written by Cryptic. That system meant that Ralph could operate cheaper and cheaper meant it could exist on smaller margins.

Macintosh arrived in 1984 and went to work immediately creating graphics. Album covers from 1984's George & James to 2011's Coochie Brake have been done on Macintosh computers.

Cryptic and Ralph launched a bulletin board on-line system (BBS) on an Apple II in 1984 named Big Brother. It is the Big Brother which this site honors as our first venture into on-line interactivity. You can read more about Big Brother in The Last Word.

The Residents ran MIDI live on an old Apple II at the Snakey Wake in 1988. The following year they toured CUBE E carrying their entire studio which centered around a Mac II, the most powerful personal computer that existed at the time.

When Apple invented Quicktime, the wiz kids that actually did it were Residents fans. The original logo which was a big "Q" had a top hat to reference The Residents and the videos used to demo the software were the One-Minute Movies from The Commercial Album.

I was one of the people who appeared in the Apple "Think Different" campaign.

There is no way I can cover all the ways Apple and Steve Jobs impacted The Residents. I do think it fitting to conclude with the fact that Chuck on the Talking Light tour was controlling a Mac Air computer with an iPad that was running wirelessly on a local network utilizing an Airport, all Apple products, to make the statement that The Residents appreciation of the technology of Steve Jobs' company has never faltered.

Cryptic and The Residents join the long list of people who are saddened by the lose of Steve Jobs.

- Hardy Fox, The Cryptic Corporation

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 7 October 2011 06:24 (ten years ago) link

Ralph Records in the late '70's ran on an old Apple II. The software used was custom written by Cryptic

oh man this is totally pushing all of my nerd buttons

that is awesome

ok time for me to hit the sack

geeta, Friday, 7 October 2011 06:34 (ten years ago) link

loving this cover of French daily Liberation:

http://journal.liberation.fr/api/libe/v2/paperpage/172124/?size=x500&format=jpg

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 October 2011 08:26 (ten years ago) link

Can already hear the lawyers rushing to translate various letters into French over that.

James Mitchell, Friday, 7 October 2011 08:37 (ten years ago) link

my brother did a "liveblog" (?) for the telegraph. thought he did a good job of collecting some of the less retweeted stuff, including some british interest things. quite a lot of this was new to me.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/steve-jobs/8809997/Steve-Jobs-dies-live-blog.html

caek, Friday, 7 October 2011 09:41 (ten years ago) link

ha

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 October 2011 15:54 (ten years ago) link

What that Hardy Fox says to me is that all the good stuff the Residents did had nothing to do with Apple.

everything, Friday, 7 October 2011 16:22 (ten years ago) link

Acting like life is a big commercial...

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 7 October 2011 17:08 (ten years ago) link

Okay, so there is this Japanese restaurant that I used to frequent often in the late 00s and Jobs would often be there (but not Woz lol).

Rumor had it he was quite tight with the owners, possibly helping bankroll the place when it opened.

They announced they were closing about 2 weeks ago.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 7 October 2011 17:14 (ten years ago) link

5by5: http://5by5.tv/specials/2

markers, Friday, 7 October 2011 17:25 (ten years ago) link

"Steve Jobs was certainly not a singular man. He was not an—he was an island that touched so many people."—Sarah Palin in an interview with Fox News’ Greta van Susteren, Oct. 5, 2011.

our future President

the tax avocado (DJP), Friday, 7 October 2011 18:41 (ten years ago) link

he was an island that touched so many people

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/politics/lost_smoke_monster_post.jpg

DaTruf (Nicole), Friday, 7 October 2011 19:05 (ten years ago) link

lol

DSMOS has arrived (kenan), Friday, 7 October 2011 19:06 (ten years ago) link

hahahahaaaa

+1

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 October 2011 20:15 (ten years ago) link

i mean maybe if steve jobs actually invented a bunch of shit instead of just marketing it to people

― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Wednesday, October 5, 2011 11:37 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/08/24/technology/steve-jobs-patents.html

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 October 2011 21:54 (ten years ago) link

I got into that debate on another thread about Jeff Bezos. With Steve Jobs, there are stories going back to the early Macintosh days where he worked day-to-day with teams that were developing products and prodded them into different decisions and guided development. There's also always been a strong sense that Ive is his designer, Cook was his supply chain man, and so on. I never got the impression that the last decade of Apple was a system where you could rise just by doing well -- you had to do things the Jobs way.

( ) (mh), Friday, 7 October 2011 22:10 (ten years ago) link

This is maybe more for the other thread, but

I have traveled to southern China and interviewed workers employed in the production of electronics. I spoke with a man whose right hand was permanently curled into a claw from being smashed in a metal press at Foxconn, where he worked assembling Apple laptops and iPads. I showed him my iPad, and he gasped because he’d never seen one turned on. He stroked the screen and marveled at the icons sliding back and forth, the Apple attention to detail in every pixel. He told my translator, “It’s a kind of magic.” -- http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/06/opinion/jobs-looked-to-the-future.html?_r=1

stet, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:13 (ten years ago) link

That article starts with a claim that Steve Jobs hated nostalgia. GUESS THE REPORTER HASN'T USED iCal OR Contacts LATELY!

( ) (mh), Friday, 7 October 2011 22:15 (ten years ago) link

there was a Q&A from when jobs just came back to apple where all the fans are asking, "when's apple gonna make a flying car", stuff like that, and the response is there are already plenty of technologies in the workstation world already that they know how to do, that can drastically improve computing experience for regular people if it were brought to them in the right way, that that's what apple should do, and in fact, that's what apple has done since the beginning, and he's right. there is already an abundance of innovation; what's lacking is a will to bring it to the masses in any half-decent way.

Like making a pizza isn't theoretically very difficult but when a great pizza place opens up near you, of course you get excited.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:16 (ten years ago) link

100% not trying to open up a huge can of worms, but did I at some point miss some story that directly linked Jobs to the suicides in these factories? I mean, obvs the chain ultimately runs up to him, but it feels so weird that people are like personally blaming him for the deaths. I mean when Wal-Mart does something terrible the accustations are usually "Wal-Mart is a terrible company" not like strugging to hold the Walton kids directly responsible. If that makes sense. I mean, I'm kind of thinking out loud here, but I'm struck by the ire at Jobs directly. There's quite a few people below him that could have probably been more involved with preventing the suicides and improving worker conditions/pay/etc.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:24 (ten years ago) link

steve jobs did in fact push every single one of those workers off the ledge

dayo, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:26 (ten years ago) link

100% not trying to open up a huge can of worms, but did I at some point miss some story that directly linked Jobs to the suicides in these factories?

people at the top are there to be blamed. this is their job. applies to the President, CEOs, generals, etc.

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 October 2011 22:31 (ten years ago) link

because if Steve Jobs had said "Apple is not going to tolerate substandard and cruel working conditions" you can bet your ass the company would have ensured that his directives were obeyed.

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 October 2011 22:31 (ten years ago) link

"buck stops here" etc

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 October 2011 22:32 (ten years ago) link

to be fair, apple has substandard and cruel working conditions for its stateside workers, too (allowing for the differential between tech workers in US & China)

Philip Nunez, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:34 (ten years ago) link

Right, I'm not necc. disagreeing with that, but I don't feel like I've seen this stuff singled out a specific head of many other multinational corps with horrible records of the way their overseas workers are treated. Is it because Jobs is a more visible head?

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:34 (ten years ago) link

it's more at discord with apple's image as an environmentally friendly, left leaning company

dayo, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:35 (ten years ago) link

people totally went after Phil Knight

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 October 2011 22:36 (ten years ago) link

but dayo OTM that's a big part of it too, the disconnect between marketing image + reality

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 October 2011 22:36 (ten years ago) link

Late RiP for Steve. Agree that some of his business practices (and areas of his personal life) were far from sterling, but I have to respect his innovation. How many people are famous primarily for being intelligent in this day and age?

monster_xero, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:38 (ten years ago) link

Per capita the number of suicides is high, but the living/working conditions are not unlike a college dorm, the deceased were mostly around 20, and the suicide rate tends to be naturally higher in those situations. Publicizing a suicide also has a proven copycat influence, and word would spread quickly in the area given the fact they jumped off a building.

Blaming Apple, when not only are there other companies manufacturing at foxconn and the very circumstances would lead to an increased suicide rate, seems a little overblown.

( ) (mh), Friday, 7 October 2011 22:42 (ten years ago) link

there's more of a narrative hook to other people suffering for your luxury good than other people suffering for your cheap good, because in the case of say a cheap bicycle, sure maybe it was made by a kid under candle light, but the brakes are really bad and you could die, too, so there's a kind of parity in suffering. also there's an expectation that some of the premium for buying a luxury good goes towards making sure everyone in the chain gets treated properly, so people are cheated out of the guilt-free premium.

like if you paid 30c more for fair trade banana and it turned out there's still body parts being severed haphazardly, you'd be mad!

Philip Nunez, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:44 (ten years ago) link

Actually, the suicide rate on college campuses is, on average, four times that of Foxconn employees that year.

( ) (mh), Friday, 7 October 2011 22:45 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, and have you seen how popular Apple devices are on college campuses? Coincidence? I don't think so.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:48 (ten years ago) link

It's also that Jobs's schtick was "I can change the world" -- he took on the music and movie industries and bent them to his will because he wanted them to work differently. When you do stuff like that, "it's just the industry, we can't change this, but at least we're the best of a bad bunch" isn't really good enough.

Like making a pizza isn't theoretically very difficult but when a great pizza place opens up near you, of course you get excited.
Hah, superb!

stet, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:50 (ten years ago) link

Apple has a fairly comprehensive recycling program that probably doesn't involve children in southeast asia scraping capacitors off of motherboards into a bucket, but I might be wrong. That's a hell of a change.

( ) (mh), Friday, 7 October 2011 22:54 (ten years ago) link

also FYI music industry isn't really "working" very well btw

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 October 2011 22:56 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, don't get me wrong, I think a lot of it was overblown bullshit, but there's still something ~off~ about iPads being made in a factory by workers who never even get to *turn one on*. Compare w/Ford, who arranged higher salaries for his staff so they could afford to buy cars.

If Jobs had demanded Foxconn workers be paid enough that they could in theory afford an iPad, would it really have taken all of this $74bn surplus they're sitting on? I don't think so.

stet, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:56 (ten years ago) link

xp

stet, Friday, 7 October 2011 22:56 (ten years ago) link

I mean, I am all about talking about the shortcomings of individuals and companies, but creating issues or doubt to root around for a reason to be skeptical is kind of a bad look.

If Foxconn workers were paid enough to afford an iPad, then you're going to have to pay them enough to have all the things they'd rather have BEFORE an iPad and that's going to cost more than $74bn because you'd be basically building a whole new infrastructure for their lives.

( ) (mh), Friday, 7 October 2011 22:59 (ten years ago) link

No, that's paying them enough to have the disposable income to buy an iPad, which is a different thing. Ford didn't pay his guys so much that buying a car was a no-brainer: it'd still be stretch, something that needed saved up for etc. But a car wasn't this laughably impossible dream for them, either.

stet, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:02 (ten years ago) link

You're assuming they know how to use a computer or have internet access.

( ) (mh), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:02 (ten years ago) link

also FYI music industry isn't really "working" very well btw

― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Saturday, 8 October 2011 09:56 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

idk the big labels seems pretty flush despite all the reactionary whining

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:02 (ten years ago) link

Apple has a fairly comprehensive recycling program that probably doesn't involve children in southeast asia scraping capacitors off of motherboards into a bucket, but I might be wrong. That's a hell of a change.

― ( ) (mh), Friday, October 7, 2011 6:54 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

wait, how many people actually take advantage of this? and from what I understand apple subcontracts their recycling program out to an appraently pretty shitty third party who loves to shaft you.

dayo, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:04 (ten years ago) link

in terms of environmental friendliness/social justice w/r/t jobs, those only seem to come into play if they are a byproduct of excellence -- like they'll reduce materials usage, packaging, if it makes the product more elegant. subjecting workers to decent hours and benefits don't fall under this rubric. if he's willing to work first-worlders to the bone in the name of excellence... on the other hand, I don't think foxconn china gets beer bashes. (foxconn US workers get to attend, though!)

Philip Nunez, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:04 (ten years ago) link

but a "every foxconn employee gets an iphone at cost" would be a good policy, imo, even if none of them would ever take foxconn up on it.

dayo, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:04 (ten years ago) link

idk the big labels seems pretty flush despite all the reactionary whining

lol you are insane

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:04 (ten years ago) link

i dont think stet is proposing that the foxconn workers actually buy an ipad, or whatever, i think he means that "can this worker afford the thing he or she is making" (just in, like, numerical terms) is a good way to think about it

max, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:05 (ten years ago) link

I'm going to stop shitting on the thread and get back to Jobs stuff, not computer/Apple industry..

( ) (mh), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:05 (ten years ago) link

the article mentioned that foxconn workers make about 1100 CNY a month, which is not a lot, but it's not that much less than what college grads in china make fresh out of college, if we're speaking comparatively

dayo, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:07 (ten years ago) link

noah wylie really does look a LOT like yung jobs

max, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:07 (ten years ago) link

Final scene of the movie will be Scoble watching the very same movie on his iPhone7S or whatever, a tear down his cheek.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:07 (ten years ago) link

idk the big labels seems pretty flush despite all the reactionary whining

Total revenues for CDs, vinyl, cassettes and digital downloads in the world dropped 25% from $38.6 billion in 1999 to $27.5 billion in 2008 according to IFPI. Same revenues in the U.S. dropped from a high of $14.6 billion in 1999 to $10.4 billion in 2008. The Economist and The New York Times report that the downward trend is expected to continue for the foreseeable future[8][9] —Forrester Research predicts that by 2013, revenues in USA may reach as low as $9.2 billion.[8] This dramatic decline in revenue has caused large-scale layoffs inside the industry, driven retailers (such as Tower Records) out of business and forced record companies, record producers, studios, recording engineers and musicians to seek new business models.

and this is just the big 4. smaller labels, retail chains, and mid-level artists have all taken huge hits to their incomes. this is not "reactionary whining" it is a fact.

anyway, there's other threads for this.

xp

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:08 (ten years ago) link

thx for the knowledge, dayo

( ) (mh), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:09 (ten years ago) link

re: free iphone,
it'd probably be more efficient to give every foxconn employee the difference between what they'd fetch from the secondary market as a bonus.

in that article about working at the apple cafeteria, was a little blown away by the 6-figure+ engineers buying exactly $12 worth of soda to extract full value of their meal plan -- total 3rd world behavior, or at least starving college student behavior.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:09 (ten years ago) link

I mean, maybe this is a totally acceptable set-up. I suppose there are Westerners who work in factories and could never afford to own the products they make, too, like say at Boeing or Rolls-Royce. It's just a feeling, is all.

stet, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:09 (ten years ago) link

where was the cafeteria link?

stet, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:10 (ten years ago) link

I kind of wonder how the music industry compares to 1990 instead of 2000, because even without the consideration of online distribution and piracy, things were looking incredibly unsustainable by 1999.

( ) (mh), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:10 (ten years ago) link

like, I was considering taking an english teaching job in beijing, which would have paid about 4000 CNY a month. I think 4000 CNY is on the high end of starting salaries for fresh grads, unless you graduated from a top u. I think salaries of 1500-300 are more realistic for fresh grads? that is, if you can even find a job - china is graduating far more people than the job market can handle, is what I've been reading.

dayo, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:11 (ten years ago) link

total engineer behavior xxp

max, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:11 (ten years ago) link

in that article about working at the apple cafeteria, was a little blown away by the 6-figure+ engineers buying exactly $12 worth of soda to extract full value of their meal plan -- total 3rd world behavior, or at least starving college student behavior.

― Philip Nunez, Friday, October 7, 2011 4:09 PM (1 minute ago)

haha, you don't know many engineers, do you?

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:12 (ten years ago) link

xxxxp

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:12 (ten years ago) link

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lsprd82GM61qk7pano1_500.png

max, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:12 (ten years ago) link

I know a foxconn engineer that was so paranoid about bringing me inside the campus, that he brought our mac burgers OUTSIDE the building to eat.

cafe expose:
www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/27/apple-cafeteria-caffe-macs_n_983053.html#s374554&title=Aaron_Lefkove_New

Philip Nunez, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:13 (ten years ago) link

I'm a software developer and one of my coworkers admitted that he's had to force himself to stop counting the number of steps to the cafeteria and the number of stoplights on the way to work. He used to know all those numbers off the top of his head.

Engineers: you may not have aspergers symptoms, but you are sure a hell of a lot likely to

( ) (mh), Friday, 7 October 2011 23:14 (ten years ago) link

So I guess Jobs's last public appearance was the Cupertino city council thing where he got approval for the new campus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtuz5OmOh_M

I suppose it works as a legacy.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:16 (ten years ago) link

thanks! xp

stet, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:16 (ten years ago) link

I keep forgetting about Pixar as well, they've got a tribute up:

http://www.pixar.com/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:17 (ten years ago) link

and this is just the big 4. smaller labels, retail chains, and mid-level artists have all taken huge hits to their incomes. this is not "reactionary whining" it is a fact.

k, no worries

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 7 October 2011 23:26 (ten years ago) link

I'm friends with the author of that op-ed piece, and his FBook status update is "Received my first sincere, legitimate death threat today."

per metal injection (Eazy), Saturday, 8 October 2011 03:06 (ten years ago) link

I keep forgetting about Pixar as well, they've got a tribute up:

http://www.pixar.com/

― Ned Raggett, Friday, October 7, 2011 7:17 PM

yo thanks for the heads up -- i hadn't seen that yet

markers, Saturday, 8 October 2011 03:16 (ten years ago) link

(sincerely hadn't seen that yet, surprisingly)

markers, Saturday, 8 October 2011 03:16 (ten years ago) link

love that picture too

markers, Saturday, 8 October 2011 03:16 (ten years ago) link

New Yorker readers trying to be funny in the comments section is soul-crushing

Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 8 October 2011 04:09 (ten years ago) link

I think heaven uses Flash ;)
I think heaven uses Flash ;)
I think heaven uses Flash ;)
I think heaven uses Flash ;)
I think heaven uses Flash ;)

een, Saturday, 8 October 2011 04:14 (ten years ago) link

Apple Talked to City's Police Days Before Steve Jobs's Death

Karen Gullo, ©2011 Bloomberg News

Oct. 7 (Bloomberg) -- Apple Inc. security officials met with police in Palo Alto, California, this week to notify them that Steve Jobs was close to death, a spokeswoman with the police department said.

Following the meeting, the police devised a plan to put patrols in the area around the former Apple chief executive officer's Palo Alto home once they heard from the company that he had died, according to Sandra Brown, the spokeswoman.

The Apple representatives told the police department there was "a possibility that it could happen this week," Brown said in a phone interview. "It's common sense for us to work together. If you think about who he was and his contribution to the world, people might come out in masses."

Jobs, who resigned as Apple's CEO on Aug. 24, died Oct. 5, the Cupertino, California-based company said. Jobs, 56, had been diagnosed in 2003 with a neuroendocrine tumor, a rare form of pancreatic cancer, and underwent a liver transplant in 2009. Apple unveiled the latest version of its iPhone, the product that accounts for almost half of the company's sales, on Oct. 4, the day before his death.

Steve Dowling, an Apple spokesman, declined to comment about the police meeting.

Jobs lived in a home that was modest, for a person of his means, on a public street open to pedestrians and traffic. The extra patrols were necessary for safety reasons, Brown said.

'"There are other people here in town, they have compounds and walls," said Brown. "He didn't want to have security around."

Apple was supposed to inform the police of Jobs's death before making a public announcement so the department could prepare, said Brown. Instead, police learned he had died when the company issued a press release at about 4:30 p.m. local time on Oct. 5.

As it turned out, Brown said, only about 40 people showed up around Jobs's home that day.

"Here's a guy who's a billionaire and lives in a regular neighborhood, not behind a gated estate with all the security guards," said Bruce Gee, a former Apple employee who drove up from his home a couple miles away. "On Halloween, people go trick or treating there like everyone else."

Mourners gathered at Apple stores around the world and took to the Internet and social media to express their grief.

At the San Francisco Apple store near Union Square, Steve Streza, 24, stood holding an iPad displaying Apple's homepage image of Jobs and the words "Steve Jobs: 1955-2011."

"Macs were the reason I got into product development," said Streza, a developer at readitlater.com who grew up with Mac computers. "If it weren't for Steve Jobs and Macs, my life would probably be in a completely different place right now."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/10/06/bloomberg_articlesLSOFTS6K50XX.DTL#ixzz1aC1QqKr2

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Saturday, 8 October 2011 12:34 (ten years ago) link

This is great. A smelly 18-year-old Jobs gets a job at Atari, and nobody can bear to work with him, but they don't want to lose him either so they create a nightshift. He's the only one who works it: http://gamasutra.com/view/news/37762/Steve_Jobs_Atari_Employee_Number_40.php

stet, Saturday, 8 October 2011 19:55 (ten years ago) link

saw lots of candles, flowers, little shrines (with actual apples, photos of Jobs, etc), hundreds of handwritten notes, & lots of weepy looking people in front of the apple store on 14th St in Manhattan last night

people need to get a grip

geeta, Saturday, 8 October 2011 20:38 (ten years ago) link

people be lovin their ipads i guess.

weird as somehow who has been using apple products since 1983/84 (still have a photo of me opening the box to my 1st apple iie) i should be first in line, but i dunno the deification of this complex dude seems deeply suspect.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 8 October 2011 20:55 (ten years ago) link

deification of anyone is always suspect imo

Like Iraq (latebloomer), Sunday, 9 October 2011 02:16 (ten years ago) link

I tried to convince you all but no.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 9 October 2011 03:23 (ten years ago) link

Talkin' about you or Steve Jobs?

Pleasant Plains, Sunday, 9 October 2011 03:25 (ten years ago) link

Me of course. *self-genuflects*

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 9 October 2011 04:33 (ten years ago) link

surprising that it didn't leak out how close he was to death

yung huma (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 9 October 2011 05:41 (ten years ago) link

sorta figured the answer was "pretty close" when he resigned, but one does not like to attract the Evil Eye by saying such things

,(.__.)/ (silby), Sunday, 9 October 2011 06:04 (ten years ago) link

i don't know if this is the right time and place to say so, but i heard from a friend who's friend worked as his pa for about 6 months (source was actual first name basis friends with the pa himself, so genuine 2nd gen silicon valley network info iirc) that he was extremely hard to work with.

on the other hand, osx, iphones, pixar, personal computers even... maybe i kinda don't care if he was hard to get along with. dude contributed some real genius to the world, and it's appreciated. RIP.

i hope the bioflick captures some of that dichotomy though, it would make the story more interesting. and frankly, genius-world-changers are kinda entitled to a bit of a pass on the social graces thing imho.

messiahwannabe, Sunday, 9 October 2011 07:38 (ten years ago) link

nah, he's rotting in hell next to mother theresa and pol pot

lagerfeld of modern despots (latebloomer), Sunday, 9 October 2011 08:26 (ten years ago) link

wired: "As a child of the sixties who was nurtured in Silicon Valley, his career merged the two strains in a way that reimagined business itself. And he did it as if he didn’t give a damn who he pissed off. He could bully underlings and corporate giants with the same contempt. But when he chose to charm, he was almost irresistible."

seriously, it's always nicer when our geniuses are personable, but... dude. toy story! ipods! etc etc

messiahwannabe, Sunday, 9 October 2011 08:28 (ten years ago) link

as opposed to hp toshiba etc?

more from wired: "Jobs also took LSD in those years, and would claim that those experiences affected his outlook permanently and positively"

him and bill gates both!

messiahwannabe, Sunday, 9 October 2011 08:34 (ten years ago) link

idk about you guys but isn't it kind of convenient that he died just when these wall street protests are making headlines?

Steve Jobs. Jobs Vets ET. Votes Jebs...hmmm

lagerfeld of modern despots (latebloomer), Sunday, 9 October 2011 08:35 (ten years ago) link

Apple Iphone

Help A Popin

Who is this mysterious A. Popin?

lagerfeld of modern despots (latebloomer), Sunday, 9 October 2011 08:38 (ten years ago) link

oh wait HELP A POPE IN

lagerfeld of modern despots (latebloomer), Sunday, 9 October 2011 08:39 (ten years ago) link

stop drinking

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 9 October 2011 08:50 (ten years ago) link

don't you mean "drink different"

lagerfeld of modern despots (latebloomer), Sunday, 9 October 2011 08:53 (ten years ago) link

think different, stop using adverbs

Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 9 October 2011 08:54 (ten years ago) link

It's amazing how sticky "Think Different" has been, for a shortish campaign in 97. You'd think it was hammered home for decades, like "Just Do It".

stet, Sunday, 9 October 2011 10:16 (ten years ago) link

since this is the thread where it's getting the most play, good overview of apple's environmental harms in china

http://www.chinadialogue.net/article/show/single/en/4561

In her letter, Beinecke reminded Cook of the large number of problems listed in the IPE report – problems which need urgent attention. Examples include factories “chronically out of compliance” with environmental regulations, with as many as 10 or more violations; factories discharging toxic metals such as copper and nickel at levels that breach international safety standards; factories ignoring the health concerns of local communities; and problems with disposal of hazardous waste.

She stressed that the IPE report and Apple’s own audits had reached the same conclusion. According to “Apple’s Supplier Responsibility 2011 Progress Report”, many suppliers were found to be in severe breach of environmental laws – 80 of 127 factories had not properly stored or handled hazardous chemicals; 41 did not recycle or dispose of hazardous waste properly or as required by law; 37 did not monitor and control air emissions, and more than 10 had wastewater problems; 63 did not have the permits required by government authorities, including approval of their environmental impact assessments.

...

Beinecke pointed out that a crucial and prominent failing in Apple’s existing policies is that they focus on auditing tier one – final assembly – suppliers. “Although this step in the supply chain is often labour-heavy, it seldom is where the largest environmental footprint in the supply chain lies,” she wrote in her letter to Cook. On the contrary, tier two and tier three suppliers, the companies that manufacture components such as printed circuit boards (PCBs), are where many of the environmental problems have been found.

One supplier, who preferred to remain anonymous, told National Business Daily that the high density PCBs used in iPhones and iPads require a lot of power and water to manufacture, as well as large quantities of chemicals for etching the laminate. The process results in large quantities of air and water pollution, and environmental violations can easily occur.

Apple's report is here: http://images.apple.com/supplierresponsibility/pdf/Apple_SR_2011_Progress_Report.pdf

2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Sunday, 9 October 2011 12:07 (ten years ago) link

b-b-but they look so SLEEK!

btw i have to admit that apple's coopting of einstein mandela etc etc for that campaign was pretty fucking gross

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 9 October 2011 12:11 (ten years ago) link

http://vimeo.com/27982653

excerpt from a documentary about foxconn workers.

conditions at foxconn not quite as bad as the media made it out to be. but still heartbreaking. I can't quite bring myself to condemn foxconn. life is hard, terrible in China if you are poor.

2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Sunday, 9 October 2011 13:29 (ten years ago) link

http://techcrunch.com/2011/10/09/livelikesteve/

lol, I assume that includes being rude to people and rejecting philanthropy

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 October 2011 00:32 (ten years ago) link

holding public philanthropy up as an absolute necessity kind of devalues the concept, dontcha think?

at-zing-two-boards (darraghmac), Monday, 10 October 2011 00:47 (ten years ago) link

joeks bruv

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 October 2011 00:50 (ten years ago) link

twitter is a treat

Just signed up for a small race next year #LiveLikeSteve http://ironmanlouisville.com/

Live like Steve "Ironman" Jobs

parasitical brain-weevil (onimo), Monday, 10 October 2011 00:51 (ten years ago) link

trying to make 800 billion dollars #livelikestevejobs

yung huma (J0rdan S.), Monday, 10 October 2011 00:52 (ten years ago) link

Going to eat a double-choc McFlurry this afternoon #LiveLikeSteve

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 October 2011 00:52 (ten years ago) link

tbf i'm not engaging in a catchall defence of jobs, just musing on philantropy tbh

at-zing-two-boards (darraghmac), Monday, 10 October 2011 00:56 (ten years ago) link

i just clicked over to my open itunes window #livelikestevejobs

yung huma (J0rdan S.), Monday, 10 October 2011 00:59 (ten years ago) link

dmac, fwiw I made clear my distaste for BRAGGIN public philanthropy upthread

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 October 2011 01:04 (ten years ago) link

nah i might just start a philanthopy thread, take the whole discussion somewhere new and fresh and amazing

#livelikesteve

at-zing-two-boards (darraghmac), Monday, 10 October 2011 01:08 (ten years ago) link

eating fish atm #livelikesteve

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 October 2011 01:19 (ten years ago) link

just told my employees they should all fucking hate each other #livelikesteve

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 October 2011 02:41 (ten years ago) link

Don't wear jerseys, I'm 30-plus
Gimme a crisp pair of jeans, nigga button up
#livelikestevefromthewaistdown

per metal injection (Eazy), Monday, 10 October 2011 02:42 (ten years ago) link

I'll call you later because my waiter just brought potato alligator souffle. #livelikesteve

per metal injection (Eazy), Monday, 10 October 2011 02:47 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/WPOJt.jpg

spent the weekend listening to records in the dark #livelikesteve

heavy vibes at the estate sale (los blue jeans), Monday, 10 October 2011 03:42 (ten years ago) link

I had very little furniture for years #livedlikesteve

( ) (mh), Monday, 10 October 2011 03:48 (ten years ago) link

i really expected more from this restaurant #livelikesteve

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 10 October 2011 06:29 (ten years ago) link

The Minnesota company that makes the black mock turtleneck that former Apple Inc. CEO Steve Jobs made famous is donating $20 to the American Cancer Society for every one it sells.

While St. Croix Collections sells more than 20 colors of the turtleneck, the company said Friday the donation will be paid only when the $175 sweater is bought in black — the color Jobs wore just about every time he was seen in public.

The announcement came a day after the founder of the Winona-based company told the Minneapolis/St. Paul Business Journal that sales of the turtlenecks had doubled since Jobs died Wednesday at the age of 56.

http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2011/10/07/st-croix-apple-steve-jobs-turtleneck.html

James Mitchell, Monday, 10 October 2011 10:21 (ten years ago) link

#dressinglikesteve

at-zing-two-boards (darraghmac), Monday, 10 October 2011 10:23 (ten years ago) link

Predicting a lot of Zombie Steve Jobs outfits for Halloween.

James Mitchell, Monday, 10 October 2011 10:31 (ten years ago) link

Git yr Steve Jobs Tribute Black Turtleneck here and they'll give the American Cancer Society $20 per shirt ordered through 16 October

Only XX-Lerge size seems to currently be in stock

Everything else is secondary (Lee626), Monday, 10 October 2011 11:02 (ten years ago) link

While St. Croix Collections sells more than 20 colors of the turtleneck, the company said Friday the donation will be paid only when the $175 sweater is bought in black — the color Jobs wore just about every time he was seen in public.

that is a very expensive sweater. But then Steve Jobs was very rich.

The New Dirty Vicar, Monday, 10 October 2011 12:26 (ten years ago) link

They donate an extra $10 if you tuck it into your jeans.

JimD, Monday, 10 October 2011 13:12 (ten years ago) link

and don't wear a belt

2001: a based godyssey (dayo), Monday, 10 October 2011 13:33 (ten years ago) link

saw candles/apples in front of UWS Apple store, couldn't suppress an "Idiots."

(ok, I said it 3x)

incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 October 2011 15:29 (ten years ago) link

rip big asshole

lol-qaeda (am0n), Monday, 10 October 2011 15:32 (ten years ago) link

awful

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, October 10, 2011 11:31 AM

fixed

lol-qaeda (am0n), Monday, 10 October 2011 15:36 (ten years ago) link

Shameless right wing shit whore Milo Yiannopoulos:

@nero Just filed my Steve Jobs obit to the Catholic Herald. Was he the last great anti pornography campaigner of our time?

James Mitchell, Monday, 10 October 2011 15:43 (ten years ago) link

looool

( ) (mh), Monday, 10 October 2011 15:50 (ten years ago) link

just wait til his undeleted safari cache gets leaked, it'll be all porn

lol-qaeda (am0n), Monday, 10 October 2011 16:34 (ten years ago) link

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/56/125277887_e1f20c8d6b.jpg

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 10 October 2011 16:36 (ten years ago) link

http://www.hark.com/clips/brcvbdnthd-thats-hot

schwantz, Monday, 10 October 2011 18:47 (ten years ago) link

L-R: Steven Malkmus, Steve West, Spiral Stairs.

Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan M. (Phil D.), Monday, 10 October 2011 19:17 (ten years ago) link

Black turtle neck and blue jeans infinitely preferable to his Where's Wally? look.

James Mitchell, Monday, 10 October 2011 19:29 (ten years ago) link

"wish we could restore steve" is just

Autumn Almanac, Monday, 10 October 2011 20:31 (ten years ago) link

those people just want more shiny products

Autumn Almanac, Monday, 10 October 2011 20:32 (ten years ago) link

steve was their ultimate shiny product: "the brilliant geek made stylishly good"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 October 2011 21:26 (ten years ago) link

rong

( ) (mh), Monday, 10 October 2011 21:29 (ten years ago) link

is it?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 October 2011 21:29 (ten years ago) link

i mean do fight w/me here, i kinda feel distasteful having said that

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 October 2011 21:29 (ten years ago) link

I mean, his choice in who crafted physical objects for him was right-on but the dude didn't really have a definitive personal style other than a lack of putting effort into his personal style

mansion with no furniture -> jeans/new balance/turtleneck were his trademarks

his brilliance was as a taskmaster

( ) (mh), Monday, 10 October 2011 21:33 (ten years ago) link

right, but you can't tell me the guy didn't have the aura of apple design about him and that it wasn't part of his appeal imo--especially as the guy who had a second coming that revolutionized the company and brought about the products that design people jizz over.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 October 2011 21:35 (ten years ago) link

how was he a shiny product? like, his career or his personal life or his ability to make good stuff at the end of his life?

( ) (mh), Monday, 10 October 2011 21:37 (ten years ago) link

Nice work in Chicago--glass windows of the Apple Store covered with multicolored Post-It notes, each with a personal wish. Crowd outside snapping photos (silent snaps).

per metal injection (Eazy), Monday, 10 October 2011 21:39 (ten years ago) link

"mansion with no furniture"
bill gates mansion is an unmanageable mess of feature creep that even martha stewart warned about.

Philip Nunez, Monday, 10 October 2011 21:45 (ten years ago) link

(i don't remember if the martha stewart zing came before or after her living arrangements were forcibly spartan)

Philip Nunez, Monday, 10 October 2011 21:49 (ten years ago) link

how was he a shiny product? like, his career or his personal life or his ability to make good stuff at the end of his life?

― ( ) (mh), Monday, October 10, 2011 9:37 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

he stood for something very attractive. that's all i'm getting at.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 October 2011 21:55 (ten years ago) link

That is actually a tiny bit poignant, a gin or two in.

Must not buy mac plus on the ebay

stet, Monday, 10 October 2011 21:57 (ten years ago) link

ha

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 October 2011 22:08 (ten years ago) link

right, but you can't tell me the guy didn't have the aura of apple design about him and that it wasn't part of his appeal imo--especially as the guy who had a second coming that revolutionized the company and brought about the products that design people jizz over.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 08:35 (46 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

He was going bald and kept growing his hair so

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 October 2011 22:36 (ten years ago) link

http://www.droid-life.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/steve-jobs.jpg

^ would be horrified if I were seen in public with that hairdo

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 October 2011 22:39 (ten years ago) link

...balding?

max, Monday, 10 October 2011 22:40 (ten years ago) link

balding

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 October 2011 22:45 (ten years ago) link

Hey have you guys heard that one of the side effects of cancer treatment is hair loss? I know, right?

xp that other dude is not balding, he has a shaved head and a widows peak.

Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan M. (Phil D.), Monday, 10 October 2011 22:46 (ten years ago) link

^bald expert

lol-qaeda (am0n), Monday, 10 October 2011 22:50 (ten years ago) link

Hey have you guys heard that one of the side effects of cancer treatment is hair loss? I know, right?

wtf is this? My point was that ~imo~ his haircut does not fit with the Apple design aura

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Monday, 10 October 2011 22:51 (ten years ago) link

The point is it may be less "haircut" than "making the best of a bad situation for someone who does not want his head shaved."

Ubeki-beki-beki-beki-stan-stan M. (Phil D.), Monday, 10 October 2011 22:52 (ten years ago) link

maybe haircut is physical representation of ipod's halo effect on mac sales?

Philip Nunez, Monday, 10 October 2011 22:54 (ten years ago) link

h8 steve jobs for that haircut. what a dork.

caek, Monday, 10 October 2011 22:57 (ten years ago) link

RIP

lol-qaeda (am0n), Monday, 10 October 2011 22:58 (ten years ago) link

One of Steve's less-discussed legacies is how he, more than any other single person, made it acceptable to wear casual clothes at work. Before Apple, *nobody* who was the CEO of a huge company would give a keynote address wearing jeans and sneakers. The hair was part of the same aesthetic - just as he didn't want (for himself or his employees) to be constrained by uncomfortable suits, neckties, and leather shoes, he didn't feel like futzing with his hair for an hour before the big speech.

Everything else is secondary (Lee626), Monday, 10 October 2011 23:41 (ten years ago) link

more than any other single person

idk, i have been looking pretty casual at work for a long time. i have really lowered that tone.

honest weights, square dealings (schlump), Monday, 10 October 2011 23:53 (ten years ago) link

my friend told me a story about this. some guy that works w/ him was telling this story that he was like paying for live sex cams and that he was idk directing the girl on the screen and then at some point she looks at her laptop and says " oh it says here that steve jobs died"

plax (ico), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 00:05 (ten years ago) link

and RIP i guess

plax (ico), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 00:08 (ten years ago) link

xp Yeah, the scope of people feeling this loss seems without any of the usual barriers - I mean even ESPN was talking about Steve Jobs instead of football. Several of the signs with rearrangable letters that you see in front of stores, hotels, shopping malls around here have goodbye messages for Steve on them.

Everything else is secondary (Lee626), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 01:02 (ten years ago) link

one thing this thread has made me think of is peoples tendency to want to define someone by the worst thing theyve done and whether thats legit or not - and then theres the tendency to want to make the worst thing the persons done seem worse than it is

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 02:18 (ten years ago) link

Or the things they didn't do, that people perceive they should have.

( ) (mh), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 02:23 (ten years ago) link

one thing this thread has made me think of is peoples tendency to want to define someone by the worst thing theyve done and whether thats legit or not

There's a whole thread in this.

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 02:24 (ten years ago) link

mm yeah agreed.

piscesx, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 02:29 (ten years ago) link

my friend told me a story about this. some guy that works w/ him was telling this story that he was like paying for live sex cams and that he was idk directing the girl on the screen and then at some point she looks at her laptop and says " oh it says here that steve jobs died"
― plax (ico), Monday, October 10, 2011 7:05 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

where were you when etc.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 05:09 (ten years ago) link

Jobs and Gates looking like George and Lenny up there. God what a weird photo.

rustic italian flatbread, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 12:36 (ten years ago) link

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6174/6234596183_daaf79f0f3_z.jpg

Madchen, Tuesday, 11 October 2011 17:34 (ten years ago) link

Okay, so there is this Japanese restaurant that I used to frequent often in the late 00s and Jobs would often be there (but not Woz lol).

Rumor had it he was quite tight with the owners, possibly helping bankroll the place when it opened.

They announced they were closing about 2 weeks ago.

― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, October 7, 2011 10:14 AM (4 days ago)

Follow-up, the head chef has been hired by Apple and will be working at the Cupertino HQ. Crazy, as this place was pretty high-end, a incredibly different universe from the corporate lunch scene.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 00:55 (ten years ago) link

there's a "corporate lunch scene"?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 02:56 (ten years ago) link

GOING FORWARD PASTA IN A HEADS-UP SAUCE $7.95 SML / $9.95 LRG

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 02:57 (ten years ago) link

Large companies have cafeterias, hoos

( ) (mh), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 02:57 (ten years ago) link

there's a "corporate lunch scene"?

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:56 PM (25 minutes ago)

. . .

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 03:27 (ten years ago) link

you made it sound like a ~scene~!

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 03:40 (ten years ago) link

the only Steve Jobs food story i ever heard was from a guy i knew in college, who is now a key guy at Apple

he told me that he once watched Steve Jobs threw a hissy fit at the Apple cafeteria because he wanted pasta, but the cafeteria was serving something else that day. so Steve Jobs basically tortured the lunch ladies until they finally made what he wanted.

geeta, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 03:40 (ten years ago) link

er, throw

sorry, it's late

geeta, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 03:41 (ten years ago) link

#livelikesteve

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 03:41 (ten years ago) link

You'd think he'd just ask for the head chef and have that person whip up a thing!

( ) (mh), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 03:42 (ten years ago) link

think i'll take the tuna sashimi #eatlikesteve

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 03:48 (ten years ago) link

when I visited facebook it was miami day at the cafeteria

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 04:09 (ten years ago) link

you made it sound like a ~scene~!

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, October 11, 2011 8:40 PM (3 hours ago)

so you really want to know what OWS is about?

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 12 October 2011 06:42 (ten years ago) link

the first rule of the corporate lunch scene is you don't talk about the corporate lunch scene

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 06:46 (ten years ago) link

I have found a new favorite GIS.

http://www.morleymoss.com/picture/3000kva%20trans%20install%20023.jpg?pictureId=4165800&asGalleryImage=true

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 12 October 2011 13:17 (ten years ago) link

http://blog.pluckytree.org/2011/10/last-time-i-saw-steve-jobs.html

<3

markers, Thursday, 13 October 2011 02:37 (ten years ago) link

http://www.morleymoss.com/picture/3000kva%20trans%20install%20023.jpg

Mark G, Thursday, 13 October 2011 06:39 (ten years ago) link

Got to use the phrase "corporate lunch scene" today when asked for a restaurant suggestion for a business lunch. A+ would use again.

I DIED, Thursday, 13 October 2011 18:09 (ten years ago) link

hahaha

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 13 October 2011 19:14 (ten years ago) link

ha

btw Jobso is still on the Apple front page after nearly eight days, not TOTALLY GHOULISH or anything

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:40 (ten years ago) link

you really find a memorial photograph TOTALLY GHOULISH

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:46 (ten years ago) link

i mean if it was a picture of him in state or something

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 13 October 2011 22:46 (ten years ago) link

I find it TOTALLY GHOULISH when it's p much the whole front page of the whole web presence for more than a week, yeah

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:10 (ten years ago) link

That depends upon where you look.

***** (SeekAltRoute), Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:17 (ten years ago) link

steve is that kaygetsu?

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:22 (ten years ago) link

kaygetsu is the f'n bomb, only went there once tho

funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 13 October 2011 23:22 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/TlDKz.jpg

dayo, Thursday, 20 October 2011 01:50 (ten years ago) link

desktop of my imac is that picture w/ a white background behind it atm

markers, Thursday, 20 October 2011 04:25 (ten years ago) link

There'll be no need to read his biography what with EVERY PRESS AGENCY ON THE PLANET explaining every single revelation in gigantic detail.

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Friday, 21 October 2011 05:11 (ten years ago) link

i.e. if you want to enjoy the book don't look at a web site or open a newspaper.

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Friday, 21 October 2011 05:11 (ten years ago) link

def surprised that he admits to delaying his cancer treatment

gonna be hilarious when shareholders file suit

dayo, Friday, 21 October 2011 10:52 (ten years ago) link

He didn't just delay - he chose a stupid fucking homeopathic alternative treatment instead of the one that works. And in the end, he's just another rich, narcissistic vaccine denier type. Sigh.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 October 2011 16:01 (ten years ago) link

yeah I didn't phrase that correctly - I meant he hid the fact from shareholders

dayo, Friday, 21 October 2011 16:06 (ten years ago) link

sueing his executors or apple or whaa

nakhchivan, Friday, 21 October 2011 16:09 (ten years ago) link

Is that important? (Call me naive but I was always wondering why the hell there was so much attention given to what the shareholders thought about his health; I kinda bloodlessly figured they'd be more interested in, you know, sales and profits. The company wasn't SteveJobsBodilyIntegrity.com)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 October 2011 16:09 (ten years ago) link

well I have no idea what being a shareholder entitles you to - I just remember that waves were being made at the time that jobs was concealing too much of his illness from the public and hence shareholders

dayo, Friday, 21 October 2011 16:11 (ten years ago) link

Well, Jobs being dead certainly affects Apple and Apple stock. Jobs keeping his illness secret gave the stock an illusion of strength, where an admission that he was seeking a risky alternative treatment would have given shareholders a chance to make up their own mind as to his and Apple's future and whether or not it was worth shedding stocks then vs. now, post-fact and in a position of relative weakness.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 October 2011 16:15 (ten years ago) link

That is, he knew he was dying to the extent that he told his biographer. So he was concealing a known fact of use to shareholders.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 October 2011 16:15 (ten years ago) link

fwiw

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 October 2011 16:16 (ten years ago) link

Man I knew the stock market consisted of jumpy, nervous bastards but that's kinda weird.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 October 2011 16:17 (ten years ago) link

sue sue sue to establish the precdent that corporate offcers are subject to full prophylactic genetic testing & constant health monitoring it's the least shareholders deserve

nakhchivan, Friday, 21 October 2011 16:20 (ten years ago) link

tbc I think any stockholder who would file suit over this is a vampire squid - but given the grand larceny that goes on daily in the financial world I would not be surprised if tomorrow some group of shareholders filed suit

dayo, Friday, 21 October 2011 16:20 (ten years ago) link

The vampire squid (Vampyroteuthis infernalis, lit. "vampire squid from 'Hell'")

feel like the taxonomists are giving these chaps undue status with *that* name

nakhchivan, Friday, 21 October 2011 16:24 (ten years ago) link

cosign the vampire squids, but you also gotta assume that many shareholders demand the person in charge gets checked out regularly. Sort of like Hollywood studios requiring physicals from their actors (though that may be just to get naked pix).

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 October 2011 16:50 (ten years ago) link

keep hearing "vampire squid" as "vampire girl" in that jonathan richman song

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 21 October 2011 17:00 (ten years ago) link

the whole concern-troll thing about WHAT STEVE JOBS SHOULD HAVE TOLD THE SHAREHOLDERS is pretty gross imo

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 21 October 2011 18:43 (ten years ago) link

like do u really give a fuck about apple shareholders' portfolios

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 21 October 2011 18:43 (ten years ago) link

ppl bringing that argument never seem to advocate for the rights of the shareholders of any other company

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 21 October 2011 18:43 (ten years ago) link

I dont give a shit, personally. I also don't give a shit about Steve Jobs (aside from generic empathy; died too young is died too young). Just saying I can imagine it being a concern to those who do/did both of those things. I imagine if I were a profit-minded shareholder - and they all are - I would care, which is why this secrecy stuff was brought up *before* he died. Not to burst any bubbles, but Apple was a business. It's "think different" campaign was advertising, because when it came to the bottom line, it filled swimming pools with blood-soaked, coke-tainted cash like any other flush company. And to pretend a very famously public yet paradoxically secretive CEO/creative driver, uniquely linked to his product, with a mysterious illness who nonetheless stayed mum on the situation was like any other CEO/company is just a little silly. Dude was exceptional in many regards.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 October 2011 19:06 (ten years ago) link

I agree with everything you said 510ck1, which is why I think that it's gonna be hilarious and sad if/when these suits start showing up

but maybe the stock price should drop a little first

dayo, Friday, 21 October 2011 19:51 (ten years ago) link

In a chapter about the music Mr. Jobs most admired, he chided an unusual target: the singer and guitarist John Mayer. Mr. Jobs knew Mr. Mayer, who performed at an Apple product introduction in 2004. While Mr. Jobs spoke with admiration of Mr. Mayer’s guitar-playing, he told the author that the artist is “out of control” and could be “blowing it big time.” There’s no explanation in the book of what prompted Mr. Jobs’s concerns.

<3 <3 <3

markers, Friday, 21 October 2011 19:56 (ten years ago) link

The more I read about the man, the less I like him.

Muammar for the road (Michael White), Friday, 21 October 2011 20:01 (ten years ago) link

^^^

dayo, Friday, 21 October 2011 20:02 (ten years ago) link

it's kind of like finding out the dark mysterious rebel you had a crush on is actually just a boring yuppie

dayo, Friday, 21 October 2011 20:02 (ten years ago) link

And a somewhat typical CEO-style dick

Muammar for the road (Michael White), Friday, 21 October 2011 20:05 (ten years ago) link

maybe you guys are learning something about ... yourselves?

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 21 October 2011 20:06 (ten years ago) link

haha for a minute I was thinking "wait, what kind of dick does a CEO have"

dayo, Friday, 21 October 2011 20:06 (ten years ago) link

Well-polished

Muammar for the road (Michael White), Friday, 21 October 2011 20:11 (ten years ago) link

The guy was pretty human

avant-garde heterosexuals (mh), Saturday, 22 October 2011 14:51 (ten years ago) link

ya, finding out about his opinions on john mayer's career arc was just devastating

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Saturday, 22 October 2011 16:21 (ten years ago) link

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/22/books/steve-jobs-by-walter-isaacson-review.html?_r=2

SOMEBODY has never actually PLAYED Angry Birds.

dan selzer, Saturday, 22 October 2011 19:22 (ten years ago) link

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: October 22, 2011

An earlier version of this article incorrectly stated the premise of “Angry Birds,” a popular iPhone game. In the game, slingshots are used to launch birds to destroy pigs and their fortresses, not to shoot down the birds.

Everything else is secondary (Lee626), Sunday, 23 October 2011 08:04 (ten years ago) link

god he looks young there

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Sunday, 23 October 2011 13:30 (ten years ago) link

GOSSIP and several lols:

Jobs then used a crude word for defecation to describe Android and other products outside of search.

"The words of cultural icons have a lot of power after death," veteran technology analyst Rob Enderle said. "This almost sounds like a spiritual leader declaring a jihad on Android as his dying wish."

After Google's Jan. 20 announcement that Page would replace Schmidt as CEO in April, Page called Jobs for some pointers. Jobs told Isaacson that his first instinct was to reject Page with a curt expletive, but he reconsidered as he recalled his times as a young entrepreneur listening to the advice of elder Silicon Valley statesmen including Bill Hewlett, co-founder of Hewlett-Packard Co.

the awesome condescension of the last one

occupy the A train (difficult listening hour), Monday, 24 October 2011 07:04 (ten years ago) link

In an unauthorized biography by Alan Deutschman, a college friend said that Jobs had even been a lover of folk singer Joan Baez, who was 41 at the time, and the attraction was largely because she had also been intimate with another '60s icon, Bob Dylan.
Ugh.

James Mitchell, Monday, 24 October 2011 08:10 (ten years ago) link

C'mon we've all been there, trying to fuck Bob Dylan by association

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 24 October 2011 08:51 (ten years ago) link

Come on guys, we've all tried to hook up with 40 year olds when we were young men for the perceived artistic cachet.

avant-garde heterosexuals (mh), Monday, 24 October 2011 13:53 (ten years ago) link

come on that's the ultimate music nerd move, you guys should be sympathetic

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Monday, 24 October 2011 13:59 (ten years ago) link

Will someone post a diagram showing exactly which women are 2, 4, 6 etc. shag degrees from Bob Dylan? I assume there are quite a few to choose from besides Joan....

Everything else is secondary (Lee626), Monday, 24 October 2011 14:00 (ten years ago) link

if he was such a music nerd why did he decide to destroy music by inventing a computer the internet and an ipod

conrad, Monday, 24 October 2011 14:02 (ten years ago) link

kill yr idols iirc

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Monday, 24 October 2011 14:04 (ten years ago) link

tbf bob dylan also decided to destroy music </open goal>

mark s, Monday, 24 October 2011 14:05 (ten years ago) link

If he really cared about Joan Baez he would have taken a job as CEO of PBS.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 October 2011 14:06 (ten years ago) link

TS: dating Joan Baez in the late 70s vs Edie Sedgwick in the late 70s

dan selzer, Monday, 24 October 2011 14:06 (ten years ago) link

joan baez is almost an anagram of steve jobs

conrad, Monday, 24 October 2011 14:08 (ten years ago) link

Zteve Jobs.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 October 2011 14:08 (ten years ago) link

Zaean Job

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Monday, 24 October 2011 14:09 (ten years ago) link

in fact if you take the letters their names don't share you end up with ZEN Vs. AAs

conrad, Monday, 24 October 2011 14:11 (ten years ago) link

hmm

conrad, Monday, 24 October 2011 14:11 (ten years ago) link

where in either of those names do you see a v or a ., conrad

dayo, Monday, 24 October 2011 14:13 (ten years ago) link

fair enough I was just thinking aloud

.s are free though and you could use the v from steve

conrad, Monday, 24 October 2011 14:15 (ten years ago) link

TS: Music Nerds vs. Scrabble Nerds

Everything else is secondary (Lee626), Monday, 24 October 2011 20:19 (ten years ago) link

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/25/sony-courting-aaron-sorkin-to-write-screenplay-for-steve-jobs-movie/

now could sorkin vilify steve jobs as much as he did mark zuckerberg is the question

dayo, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 16:54 (ten years ago) link

did you notice the v in steve yet

conrad, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:01 (ten years ago) link

pretty sure its a silent v

dayo, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 17:03 (ten years ago) link

The ebook of the bio leaked and is number one on the what.cd top ten o_O

Y Kant Lou Reed (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 18:14 (ten years ago) link

Interesting take:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/25/opinion/nocera-the-biographers-dilemma.html

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 18:21 (ten years ago) link

I'm about 2/3rds of the way though this bio, and I don't think they really need to vilify Jobs to have him come off as manipulative, overly emotional, and mercurial. He's called all these things, and more, throughout the book. One of his exes flat-out claims that she thinks he had may have had narcissistic personality disorder!

avant-garde heterosexuals (mh), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 18:52 (ten years ago) link

Oh, it also quotes people soooo many times saying that he smelled bad

avant-garde heterosexuals (mh), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 18:53 (ten years ago) link

iStink #hereallweek

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 18:54 (ten years ago) link

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/10/25/steve_jobs_and_barack_obama_the_angry_years.html

Jobs tried to focus on a positive policy idea, and let "any foreign student who earned an engineering degree" stay in the USA on a visa. Obama pointed out that Republicans had blocked the DREAM Act. "The president is very smart," Jobs tells Isaacson, "but he kept explaining to us reasons why things can't get done. It infuriates me."

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 20:11 (ten years ago) link

Imagine telling the US president "I design computers and YOU are doing it all wrong"

Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 20:33 (ten years ago) link

sounds like every other garden variety silicon valley asshole I've ever met

unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 20:39 (ten years ago) link

I was gonna say, you don't seem to understand American businessmen AA

he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 20:44 (ten years ago) link

There's like a decent magazine interview's worth of direct quotes from Jobs in this book.

There are a couple of telling bits, though ...

Spoilers, I guess

Eg there's a bit where Jobs is near death and they want to put an oxygen mask on him. He was delirious but tried to pull the mask off, saying he hated the design and wanted to see five options to choose from. It's almost self parody and kinda proof how deep he held this stuff.

stet, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 20:54 (ten years ago) link

you just made that detail up right stet

dayo, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 21:09 (ten years ago) link

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g33/GeneralissimoFurioso/burns.jpg

dayo, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 21:10 (ten years ago) link

I keep reading Ive as I've, it's doing my head in. That said I'm only in as far as the start of chapter 1 because I have exams.

Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Tuesday, 25 October 2011 21:24 (ten years ago) link

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/10/25/steve_jobs_and_barack_obama_the_angry_years.html

Jobs tried to focus on a positive policy idea, and let "any foreign student who earned an engineering degree" stay in the USA on a visa. Obama pointed out that Republicans had blocked the DREAM Act. "The president is very smart," Jobs tells Isaacson, "but he kept explaining to us reasons why things can't get done. It infuriates me."
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 25 October 2011 21:11 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

The top comment on that article expands on what was actually said in the book and it puts a completely different slant on things.
(SPOILERS)

The relevant parts that Wiegel oddly left out of this opinion piece:

"Jobs sent Jarrett an email saying it was a bloated list and he had no intention of coming. In fact his health problems had flared anew by then, so he would not have been able to go in any case, as Doerr privately explained to the president."

That's the entire paragraph. Wiegel left off the last (important) line, and then he (Wiegel) wrongly implies that the Washington meeting went on as planned. It didn't. The very next paragraph in the book:

In February 2011, Doerr began making plans to host a small dinner for President Obama in Silicon Valley. He and Jobs, along with their wives, went to dinner at Evvia, a Greek restaurant in Palo Alto, to draw up a tight guest list. The dozen chosen tech titans included Google’s Eric Schmidt, Yahoo’s Carol Bartz, Facebook’s Mark Zuckerberg, Cisco’s John Chambers, Oracle’s Larry Ellison, Genentech’s Art Levinson, and Netflix’s Reed Hastings...

Jobs, sitting next to the president, kicked off the dinner by saying, “Regardless of our political persuasions, I want you to know that we’re here to do whatever you ask to help our country.” Despite that, the dinner initially became a litany of suggestions of what the president could do for the businesses there. Chambers, for example, pushed a proposal for a repatriation tax holiday that would allow major corporations to avoid tax payments on overseas profits if they brought them back to the United States for investment during a certain period. The president was annoyed, and so was Zuckerberg, who turned to Valerie Jarrett, sitting to his right, and whispered, “We should be talking about what’s important to the country. Why is he just talking about what’s good for him?”
Doerr was able to refocus the discussion by calling on everyone to suggest a list of action items. When Jobs’s turn came, he stressed the need for more trained engineers and suggested that any foreign students who earned an engineering degree in the United States should be given a visa to stay in the country. Obama said that could be done only in the context of the “Dream Act,” which would allow illegal aliens who arrived as minors and finished high school to become legal residents—something that the Republicans had blocked. Jobs found this an annoying example of how politics can lead to paralysis. “The president is very smart, but he kept explaining to us reasons why things can’t get done,” he recalled. “It infuriates me.”
Jobs went on to urge that a way be found to train more American engineers. Apple had 700,000 factory workers employed in China, he said, and that was because it needed 30,000 engineers on-site to support those workers. “You can’t find that many in America to hire,” he said. These factory engineers did not have to be PhDs or geniuses; they simply needed to have basic engineering skills for manufacturing. Tech schools, community colleges, or trade schools could train them. “If you could educate these engineers,” he said, “we could move more manufacturing plants here.” The argument made a strong impression on the president. Two or three times over the next month he told his aides, “We’ve got to find ways to train those 30,000 manufacturing engineers that Jobs told us about.”
Jobs was pleased that Obama followed up, and they talked by telephone a few times after the meeting. He offered to help create Obama’s political ads for the 2012 campaign. (He had made the same offer in 2008, but he’d become annoyed when Obama’s strategist David Axelrod wasn’t totally deferential.) “I think political advertising is terrible. I’d love to get Lee Clow out of retirement, and we can come up with great commercials for him,” Jobs told me a few weeks after the dinner. Jobs had been fighting pain all week, but the talk of politics energized him. “Every once in a while, a real ad pro gets involved, the way Hal Riney did with ‘It’s morning in America’ for Reagan’s reelection in 1984. So that’s what I’d like to do for Obama.”

And as for the "hook" about the "one-term presidency" comment? That's actually from earlier in 2010:

"...The meeting actually lasted forty-five minutes, and Jobs did not hold back. “You’re headed for a one-term presidency,” Jobs told Obama at the outset.
Jobs offered to put together a group of six or seven CEOs who could really explain the innovation challenges facing America, and the president accepted. So Jobs made a list of people for a Washington meeting to be held in December..."

Something a bit different in tone from what Wiegel wants to have happened.

a guy called Gerard (onimo), Wednesday, 26 October 2011 10:21 (ten years ago) link

I remember sometime soon after that dinner meeting Obama mentioned Jobs at a business summit. Paraphrase: "Steve Jobs mentioned the lack of an educated workforce as cause for Apple outsourcing to China, though I suspect cost also played a part in that decision..."

shaane, Wednesday, 26 October 2011 23:51 (ten years ago) link

zing

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 27 October 2011 00:32 (ten years ago) link

http://www.edibleapple.com/2011/10/27/the-story-behind-steve-jobs-mercedez-benz-and-its-missing-license-plate/

lollin'

Steve Jobs was not the most considerate individual at Apple, and he had lots of ways to demonstrate that. One of the most obvious was his habit of parking in the handicapped spot of the parking lot - he seemed to think that the blue wheelchair symbol meant that the spot was reserved for the chairman.
Whenever you saw a big Mercedes parked in a handicapped space, you could be sure that it was Steve’s car (actually, it was hard to be sure otherwise, since he also had a habit of removing his license plates). This sometimes caused him trouble, since unknown parties would occasionally retaliate by scratching the car with their keys.

dayo, Thursday, 27 October 2011 16:45 (ten years ago) link

he seemed to think that the blue wheelchair symbol meant that the spot was reserved for the chairman.

ahaha

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 27 October 2011 17:02 (ten years ago) link

Why didn't anonymous apple employees call the cops and get it towed over and over again. Would've been hilarious.

dan selzer, Thursday, 27 October 2011 17:29 (ten years ago) link

California law doesn't require licence plates until a new car is 6 months old. SJ leased a new lookalike silver Benz every 5 1/2 months, so he was legal.

Everything else is secondary (Lee626), Thursday, 27 October 2011 17:46 (ten years ago) link

...barely. barely legal.

dayo, Thursday, 27 October 2011 17:49 (ten years ago) link

I'd pay $39.95 for that.

whoop, up the butt it goes (silby), Thursday, 27 October 2011 17:51 (ten years ago) link

lolol comments section. a seinfeld quote has enraged the scorn of hundreds, and people have somehow seemed to deduce/reinforce their beliefs that steve jobs is an ass b/c he "exploited" the system (despite fact that i don't have a lot of respect for the dude when juxtaposed w/ bill gates)

kelpolaris, Friday, 28 October 2011 02:29 (ten years ago) link

what kind of asshole basically solicits parking tickets and then decides not to pay them? this guy seems like a crazy nihilist/egotist sometimes.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 28 October 2011 02:55 (ten years ago) link

"sometimes"

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 28 October 2011 03:09 (ten years ago) link

THIS IS FUCKING AMAZING

Even when he was barely conscious, his strong personality came through. At one point the pulmonologist tried to put a mask over his face when he was deeply sedated. Jobs ripped it off and mumbled that he hated the design and refused to wear it. Though barely able to speak, he ordered them to bring five different options for the mask and he would pick a design he liked. The doctors looked at Powell, puzzled. She was finally able to distract him so they could put on the mask. He also hated the oxygen monitor they put on his finger. He told them it was ugly and too complex. He suggested ways it could be designed more simply. "He was very attuned to every nuance of the environment and objects around him, and that drained him," Powell recalled.

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 19:12 (ten years ago) link

my life's goal is to troll that hard

J0rdan S., Friday, 28 October 2011 19:13 (ten years ago) link

I believe in u

Hardy Rock Anthem (crüt), Friday, 28 October 2011 19:16 (ten years ago) link

This image makes a lot of sense now.

http://www.clickcommunications.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Young-Steve-Jobs-.gif

lukas, Friday, 28 October 2011 19:33 (ten years ago) link

OH WOW. OH WOW. OH WOW.

James Mitchell, Sunday, 30 October 2011 19:04 (ten years ago) link

that was great.

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Sunday, 30 October 2011 19:09 (ten years ago) link

Uninvited to the ball, he drove the third or fourth iteration of his same black sports car to Next, where he and his team were quietly inventing the platform on which Tim Berners-Lee would write the program for the World Wide Web. parked in the handicapped spot unrepentantly.

dayo, Sunday, 30 October 2011 19:10 (ten years ago) link

"Why didn't anonymous apple employees call the cops and get it towed over and over again. Would've been hilarious."

i think i read somewhere that old buddy wozniak did just that, and it apparently was hilarious!

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 30 October 2011 19:19 (ten years ago) link

OH WOW. OH WOW. OH WOW.

― James Mitchell, Sunday, October 30, 2011 3:04 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark

this was a great obit but can't help that this ending was the textbook definition of bathos

dayo, Sunday, 30 October 2011 19:23 (ten years ago) link

you are criticizing the dude's last words? cold

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:12 (ten years ago) link

just saying it didn't work so well to end the piece that way

dayo, Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:15 (ten years ago) link

but you can also think that I am pissing on his gravestone right now, I don't care

dayo, Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:15 (ten years ago) link

calling his life "the piece"? cold

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:16 (ten years ago) link

but... it was so artistically done

dayo, Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:16 (ten years ago) link

anyway I don't see what's wrong about ending someone's eulogy with their hopeful last words

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:23 (ten years ago) link

context matters: he was being shown exclusive pictures of the iphone 7

iatee, Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:24 (ten years ago) link

I guess if I were writing his eulogy and I had that piece of information available to me I probably wouldn't use it to end the piece because opportunistic ppl on the INTERNET would be able to use it to make fun of him xp

dayo, Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:27 (ten years ago) link

:|

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:30 (ten years ago) link

Just noticed daringfireball.net is back to background-color: #4a525a :drudgesirens:

James Mitchell, Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:32 (ten years ago) link

I hadn't been moved by his death till I read that eulogy, and I find OH WOW OH WOW OH WOW pretty great last words. Puts me in mind of "My God, it's full of stars"

Alba, Monday, 31 October 2011 00:21 (ten years ago) link

If there had been an ugly computer in the room he could have gone the Oscar Wilde route

Mayne of Fules (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 October 2011 00:23 (ten years ago) link

'oh wow' pretty moving to me.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 31 October 2011 03:50 (ten years ago) link

i hope if the last thing out of my mouth before i die is something that's barely even words like "oh wow" that people will quote whatever coherent sentence that preceded that as my 'profound last words'

mylo & xylotis (some dude), Monday, 31 October 2011 03:55 (ten years ago) link

Intubated, when he couldn’t talk, he asked for a notepad. He sketched devices to hold an iPad in a hospital bed. He designed new fluid monitors and x-ray equipment. He redrew that not-quite-special-enough hospital unit.

dang

J0rdan S., Monday, 31 October 2011 04:08 (ten years ago) link

more absurdist than impressive

iatee, Monday, 31 October 2011 04:17 (ten years ago) link

well yeah

J0rdan S., Monday, 31 October 2011 04:18 (ten years ago) link

there was a thing online recently from a nurse where it said that perhaps unsurprisingly, last words are more often than not queries/concerns regarding using the bathroom facilities. "i need the bathroom" or words to that effect far outweighed any other kind. that's only um, natural i guess :/

piscesx, Monday, 31 October 2011 04:26 (ten years ago) link

it seems like it would be hard to judge when exactly you are gonna be dying

iatee, Monday, 31 October 2011 04:28 (ten years ago) link

like even if you have some killer last words prepared, you're still gonna need to pee...

iatee, Monday, 31 October 2011 04:28 (ten years ago) link

'oh wow' pretty moving to me.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 31 October 2011 03:50 (7 hours ago) Bookmark

^^
what a moving eulogy. poor guy.

Local Christian Blues (schlump), Monday, 31 October 2011 10:58 (ten years ago) link

maybe he was looking beyond his family to the restroom, and thinking "oh wow, I'm never going to make it over there"

mh, Monday, 31 October 2011 16:35 (ten years ago) link

imho, everyone's dying words should be freely made fun of on the internet

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 31 October 2011 16:38 (ten years ago) link

Most funerals I've been to are a good mix of reverence and levity.

mh, Monday, 31 October 2011 17:21 (ten years ago) link

IT IS ACCOMPLISHED

omar little, Monday, 31 October 2011 18:52 (ten years ago) link

http://www.stevejobsthelostinterview.com/

am0n, Friday, 11 November 2011 22:18 (ten years ago) link

jesus just put it on youtube dog

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 11 November 2011 22:42 (ten years ago) link

"Robert X. Cringely" (not his real name) is way too big a fan of himself for that

whoop, up the butt it goes (silby), Friday, 11 November 2011 22:43 (ten years ago) link

or release it on imax

conrad, Friday, 11 November 2011 22:43 (ten years ago) link

it's a VHS transfer; it'd look pretty silly on imax

whoop, up the butt it goes (silby), Friday, 11 November 2011 22:57 (ten years ago) link

fuck you

conrad, Friday, 11 November 2011 23:02 (ten years ago) link

D:

whoop, up the butt it goes (silby), Friday, 11 November 2011 23:15 (ten years ago) link

The book is ace. I was expecting gushy worship of the bloke but it's not that at all. Very much a profile of a businessman. Huge (I'm only halfway through it) but also very entertaining.

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 11 November 2011 23:17 (ten years ago) link

wait is he still dead?????

The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 November 2011 23:18 (ten years ago) link

I think he dies at the end

Autumn Almanac, Friday, 11 November 2011 23:19 (ten years ago) link

I bet the Woz did it

The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 11 November 2011 23:26 (ten years ago) link

real genius: the steve jobs story

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/25/Real_genius.jpg/220px-Real_genius.jpg

am0n, Monday, 14 November 2011 15:24 (ten years ago) link

I had no idea Steve Jobs and Mona Simpson were siblings! Weird.

Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Monday, 14 November 2011 15:47 (ten years ago) link

But I thought you knew everything [/alfred]

Miss Piggy and Frodo in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 14 November 2011 16:03 (ten years ago) link

sorry

Miss Piggy and Frodo in Hull (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 14 November 2011 16:03 (ten years ago) link

I had no idea Steve Jobs and Mona Simpson were siblings! Weird.

― Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Monday, November 14, 2011 10:47 AM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark

in all fairness, neither did they

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Monday, 14 November 2011 16:23 (ten years ago) link

MONASIMSON_REAL

am0n, Monday, 14 November 2011 16:26 (ten years ago) link

lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 14 November 2011 17:49 (ten years ago) link

Think Jobs was listening in on my Sunday School when I was six:

But what I've always felt that a team of people doing something they really believe in is like is like when I was a young kid there was a widowed man that lived up the street. He was in his eighties. He was a little scary looking. And I got to know him a little bit. I think he may have paid me to mow his lawn or something.

And one day he said to me, "come on into my garage I want to show you something." And he pulled out this dusty old rock tumbler. It was a motor and a coffee can and a little band between them. And he said, "come on with me." We went out into the back and we got just some rocks. Some regular old ugly rocks. And we put them in the can with a little bit of liquid and little bit of grit powder, and we closed the can up and he turned this motor on and he said, "come back tomorrow."

And this can was making a racket as the stones went around.

And I came back the next day, and we opened the can. And we took out these amazingly beautiful polished rocks. The same common stones that had gone in, through rubbing against each other like this (clapping his hands), creating a little bit of friction, creating a little bit of noise, had come out these beautiful polished rocks.

That's always been in my mind my metaphor for a team working really hard on something they're passionate about.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/11/11/steve-jobs-the-parable-of-the-stones/

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 19:58 (ten years ago) link

yo thanks for the link

markers, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:07 (ten years ago) link

I work at a software company, Apple products are great, but I don't want to be one of those rocks!

lukas, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:08 (ten years ago) link

Moral: when a scary-looking guy says "come on into my garage I want to show you something," follow him

Autumn Almanac, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:11 (ten years ago) link

lol AA

dogs in hot cardies (electricsound), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 22:46 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/DyuvZ.png

ILU, Jedward. Never change.

bouquet beatdown (Nicole), Friday, 18 November 2011 12:17 (ten years ago) link

And people think I'm irreverent

mh, Friday, 18 November 2011 14:45 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2C2oCsrqcM

yo mh this looks good

markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:04 (ten years ago) link

this is the event that that clip of gassee i linked to a couple of days ago is from -- just found it

markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:05 (ten years ago) link

did i just blow your minds or

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 15:30 (ten years ago) link

http://fun.resplace.net/Emoticons/Uncategorized/Amazed.gif

markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:38 (ten years ago) link

that malcolm gladwell piece was 100% horrible

Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:41 (ten years ago) link

^^ it was like a book report

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:42 (ten years ago) link

like, he was working off the same facts from the biography that were AVAILABLE TO EVERY OTHER SINGLE PERSON WHO HAD READ THE BIOGRAPHY. + some bullshit half-baked tweaked shit about tweakers.

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:43 (ten years ago) link

did you read the biography

markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:43 (ten years ago) link

+ some bullshit half-baked tweaked shit about tweakers.

the other stuff where jobs yelled at everyone around him and stole ideas i knew about. . . the tweaker stuff was half baked, even for gladwell

Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:44 (ten years ago) link

if you read the biography and want to hear someone smart talk about it, this is good: http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/42

part two drops later today

markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:45 (ten years ago) link

i listened to that and it was not very good. computer people don't know how to talk on air. so many awkward gaps. and the interviewer kept asking stupid questions.

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 15:48 (ten years ago) link

and the guy's main points were completely unsupported, and then he went on to do some really trivial nitpicking.

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 15:48 (ten years ago) link

dogg, dayo... thats what book reviews in the nyer basically are

max, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:49 (ten years ago) link

the tweaker stuff is basically right but havent people been saying that about jobs for like... decades now?

max, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:49 (ten years ago) link

it wasn't a book review tho, it was "annals of technology"

Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:50 (ten years ago) link

i havent read this article but im assuming "tweaker" isnt referring to meth?

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 15:50 (ten years ago) link

I read the nyer for the articles, man

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:51 (ten years ago) link

oh i thought it was in the critics section

max, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:51 (ten years ago) link

heres the article slock

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/11/14/111114fa_fact_gladwell

Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:52 (ten years ago) link

I meant 'book report' in the sense that it was just a summarization of facts - what irked me was that gladwell was trying to push his specific interpretation of those facts as if they were something revelatory and not at all self-evident from the biography when it was basically just what every single other review of the book out there was saying

like he was trying to pass it off as some brilliant insight that he garnered from his own investigative sleuthing and in depth research when really he got the book on release date same as everybody else and was busting ass to get this article out so he could collect $50k from the nyer, because he's maclolm gladwell

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:53 (ten years ago) link

at least he may have stopped pretending to be a scientist

ooh i love my loaf n jug! (silby), Friday, 18 November 2011 15:57 (ten years ago) link

xp he didn't even tell us which washing machine steve ended up getting.

Quoth the raven "Nevermind" (ledge), Friday, 18 November 2011 15:57 (ten years ago) link

"We ended up opting for these Miele appliances, made in Germany."

markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:58 (ten years ago) link

markers do you have that page bookmarked

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 15:59 (ten years ago) link

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=steve+jobs+german+washing+machine

markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:00 (ten years ago) link

its pretty well known that miele makes the best washing machines

max, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:01 (ten years ago) link

you could ask any person on the street

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:01 (ten years ago) link

yeah its basically common knowledge

max, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:01 (ten years ago) link

I'm pretty bummed that there are like 10 separate articles that talk about steve jobs and washing machines, thanks for ruining my day markers

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:02 (ten years ago) link

^^^^^^^

Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:03 (ten years ago) link

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/4.02/jobs_pr.html

Design is not limited to fancy new gadgets. Our family just bought a new washing machine and dryer. We didn't have a very good one so we spent a little time looking at them. It turns out that the Americans make washers and dryers all wrong. The Europeans make them much better - but they take twice as long to do clothes! It turns out that they wash them with about a quarter as much water and your clothes end up with a lot less detergent on them. Most important, they don't trash your clothes. They use a lot less soap, a lot less water, but they come out much cleaner, much softer, and they last a lot longer.

We spent some time in our family talking about what's the trade-off we want to make. We ended up talking a lot about design, but also about the values of our family. Did we care most about getting our wash done in an hour versus an hour and a half? Or did we care most about our clothes feeling really soft and lasting longer? Did we care about using a quarter of the water? We spent about two weeks talking about this every night at the dinner table. We'd get around to that old washer-dryer discussion. And the talk was about design.

We ended up opting for these Miele appliances, made in Germany. They're too expensive, but that's just because nobody buys them in this country. They are really wonderfully made and one of the few products we've bought over the last few years that we're all really happy about. These guys really thought the process through. They did such a great job designing these washers and dryers. I got more thrill out of them than I have out of any piece of high tech in years.

markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:03 (ten years ago) link

and yet he wore the same dumpy clothes his whole life

Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:04 (ten years ago) link

I don't know if you needed to link to that markers, everybody knows that miele washing machines are the best, it's common knowledge

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:05 (ten years ago) link

i thought japan made some kinda AI washing machines that would figure out how dirty you were gonna get next week or something

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 November 2011 16:10 (ten years ago) link

that quote is from the february 1996 issue of wired

markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:11 (ten years ago) link

maybe those weren't out then

markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:12 (ten years ago) link

so malcolm gladwell summarized a 1996 article for wired for a 2011 article for the nyer

dayo, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:13 (ten years ago) link

malcolm gladwell, ladies and gentlemen

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:22 (ten years ago) link

miele do make the best washing machines. i should know.

caek, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:40 (ten years ago) link

i'm not going to say why i should know, but trust me.

caek, Friday, 18 November 2011 16:40 (ten years ago) link

That podcast is shit.

He comes close to the point -- acknowledges this is like a book about Einstein's life written for the layman, not a book about Einstein's theories, written for PhDs -- then goes "but waah it has none of the esoteric detail of his theories? Why didn't Isaacson study for a phd before writing this?"

stet, Friday, 18 November 2011 17:39 (ten years ago) link

he spends about 20 minutes complaining that isaacson doesn't "get it" enough to know what was "really important," but gives NO examples of that, his biggest point, nor does he tell us what indeed was "really important." then he complains that at one point in the book he calls it apple computerS instead of apple computer.

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 17:49 (ten years ago) link

Gotta say this thing looks a lot more SanDisk than it does Macintosh.

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnZrAPFjOaM

pplains, Friday, 18 November 2011 17:52 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnZrAPFjOaM

pplains, Friday, 18 November 2011 17:52 (ten years ago) link

http://daringfireball.net/2011/11/getting_steve_jobs_wrong

markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 19:59 (ten years ago) link

http://5by5.tv/hypercritical/43

markers, Friday, 18 November 2011 20:32 (ten years ago) link

"so he could collect $50k from the nyer"

whaaaa!? for one article? they're being super stingy on the caption contest winners then.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 18 November 2011 20:38 (ten years ago) link

5 words v. 5,000

Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 20:45 (ten years ago) link

dont think even the nyer pays $10/word, even to malwell

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 20:46 (ten years ago) link

10 minutes into this second fucking podcast, and he still is saying "wasted opportunity" and insisting he's explaining it without explaining it in the least.

stet, Friday, 18 November 2011 21:05 (ten years ago) link

argh i can't believe you could bring yourself to listen to the second one

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 21:06 (ten years ago) link

the pauses in all those podcasts that host dude hosts are just brutal

or like, the five-minute convo about whether to do a second ep at the end of the first

brutal

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 18 November 2011 21:06 (ten years ago) link

also "wow so many of my fans agree with me, i am totally right".

i would pay moneys for a service that just did transcripts of podcasts so i don't have to sit through this ponderous waste. good radio is hard, people.

stet, Friday, 18 November 2011 21:08 (ten years ago) link

lol, RIP podcasts 1998-2011

Mr. Que, Friday, 18 November 2011 21:11 (ten years ago) link

the thing that I can't really understand is the amount of "cor, that Siracusa nailed it" adulation for this podcast. He's barely blu-tak'd it, and I say that as someone who didn't really like the Jobs bio. It's a pretty soft target, but he still misses it by a badly-paced mile.

stet, Friday, 18 November 2011 21:18 (ten years ago) link

Bio was so good that I immediately bought Isaacson's Einstein bio.

Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 19 November 2011 11:54 (ten years ago) link

Eric Alterman on Jobs' boorishness as a world citizen:

http://www.thenation.com/article/164499/agony-and-ecstasy-and-disgrace-steve-jobs

(Mike Daisey's 1-man show on Jobs intrigues me)

Dr Morbois de Bologne (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 19 November 2011 14:11 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

http://blog.sfgate.com/techchron/files/2012/01/jobsdoll1-600x404.jpg

buzza, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 00:14 (ten years ago) link

When the doll was first advertised, many Apple fans were disturbed by the level of detail, such as the pores on its forehead, the wrinkles under its eyes and the veins on its hands.

buzza, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 05:58 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/YIDJh.jpg

dayo, Tuesday, 24 January 2012 12:33 (ten years ago) link

What's morally repugnant in one country is accepted business practices in another, and companies take advantage of that."
NICHOLAS ASHFORD, a former chairman of the National Advisory Committee on Occupational Safety and Health, on the often harsh and dangerous conditions that laborers endure in Chinese factories where iPhones, iPads and other high-tech devices are assembled.

NY Times

curmudgeon, Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:08 (ten years ago) link

Did they freeze his head like Waly Disney?

Lava lamp, Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:10 (ten years ago) link

Er, Walt

Lava lamp, Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:11 (ten years ago) link

where's waly 's head

quick brown fox triangle (schlump), Thursday, 26 January 2012 15:16 (ten years ago) link

NICHOLAS ASHFORD, a former chairman of the National Advisory Committee on Occupational Safety and Health

You can make his name from the letters in his committee

Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 26 January 2012 20:21 (ten years ago) link

Thanks, jaymc.

pplains, Thursday, 26 January 2012 20:36 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

Since his name was brought up in this thread. Could appear on lots of other threads, too.

'This American Life' Retracts Show on Foxconn Working Conditions over Fabricated Claims

Back in January, popular radio show This American Life aired an episode dedicated to working conditions at Foxconn's factories in China, drawing heavily from Mike Daisey's theater monologue entitled "The Agony and Ecstasy of Steve Jobs". In the monologue, which has been a notable part of the push to address working conditions at Apple's suppliers, Daisey relates tales from his visit to China where he met with Foxconn workers.

In a remarkable reversal, This American Life has now announced that it is retracting its January broadcast of Daisey's content, citing a number of fabrications discovered in a follow-up investigation on his claims.

The China correspondent for the public radio show Marketplace tracked down the interpreter that Daisey hired when he visited Shenzhen China. The interpreter disputed much of what Daisey has been saying on stage and on our show. [...]

Daisey lied to me and to This American Life producer Brian Reed during the fact checking we did on the story, before it was broadcast. That doesn't excuse the fact that we never should've put this on the air. In the end, this was our mistake.
An accompanying press release relates a number of Daisey's claims that were shown to be false, from claims of having met workers injured by use n-hexane to an anecdote in which he described meeting a man who had had his hand mangled in equipment while producing the iPad and showing the man a functional iPad for the first time.

Daisey reportedly lied to This American Life's staff when asked for contact information for the interpreter he used during his travels, but once the interpreter was found through other means his story began to come apart.

For his part, Daisey acknowledges that some of the information he presented was not entirely truthful, arguing that his monologue was created for theater. Consequently, he agrees that it should not have been presented as journalism, although he stands behind the intent of his work.

I stand by my work. My show is a theatrical piece whose goal is to create a human connection between our gorgeous devices and the brutal circumstances from which they emerge. It uses a combination of fact, memoir, and dramatic license to tell its story, and I believe it does so with integrity. Certainly, the comprehensive investigations undertaken by The New York Times and a number of labor rights groups to document conditions in electronics manufacturing would seem to bear this out.

What I do is not journalism. The tools of the theater are not the same as the tools of journalism. For this reason, I regret that I allowed THIS AMERICAN LIFE to air an excerpt from my monologue. THIS AMERICAN LIFE is essentially a journalistic ­- not a theatrical ­- enterprise, and as such it operates under a different set of rules and expectations. But this is my only regret. I am proud that my work seems to have sparked a growing storm of attention and concern over the often appalling conditions under which many of the high-tech products we love so much are assembled in China.

This American Life is devoting the entirety of this week's episode to discussion of the fabrications present in the original report.

butvi wouls (Phil D.), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:02 (ten years ago) link

Dear Friends,

As you may have read by now, the radio program This American Life—which aired a segment of Mike Daisey’s theatre monologue The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs—has retracted the story due to what it calls fabrications in Mike’s tale. We wanted to let you know that The Agony and the Ecstasy of Steve Jobs will run at Woolly Mammoth as planned from July 17-August 5, 2012.

curmudgeon, Monday, 19 March 2012 14:46 (ten years ago) link

there's a big talk about this on the this american life c/d thread

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 19 March 2012 14:50 (ten years ago) link

http://l.yimg.com/cv/ae/us/audience/120319/300x250lkledw9xw.jpg

buzza, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 07:09 (ten years ago) link

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Nicholas Pokémon (silby), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 13:14 (ten years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/12NLh.jpg

dayo, Monday, 2 April 2012 01:26 (ten years ago) link

chance i'll actually end up watching the movie too

markers, Monday, 2 April 2012 01:33 (ten years ago) link

revenge of the nerds

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 2 April 2012 01:34 (ten years ago) link

actually, young jobs REALLY looks like a young howe gelb

Nascar Pony (stevie), Monday, 2 April 2012 06:46 (ten years ago) link

eight months pass...

http://i.imgur.com/OnLAr.jpg

turds (Hungry4Ass), Tuesday, 4 December 2012 20:28 (nine years ago) link

The only thing I see now is that disgusting foot.

this will surprise many (Nicole), Tuesday, 4 December 2012 20:29 (nine years ago) link

five months pass...
one month passes...

Trailer looks bad

http://youtu.be/SH1jKZwcS9Y

hewing to the status quo with great zealotry (DavidM), Saturday, 22 June 2013 16:59 (nine years ago) link

yeah i'm guessing the sorkin one is going to be "better"

caek, Saturday, 22 June 2013 17:14 (nine years ago) link

What I'm getting from that trailer is that Steve Jobs was a big fan of pussy.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 22 June 2013 17:54 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

THE ORIGINAL REBEL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR6yMl2FZSQ

1:59 y'all

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 2 August 2013 21:38 (nine years ago) link

PLUS: MACKLEMORE

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 2 August 2013 21:39 (nine years ago) link

lol @ Josh Gad as Wozniak

Geoffrey Schweppes (jaymc), Friday, 2 August 2013 21:44 (nine years ago) link

Also I'm experiencing cognitive dissonance with "Can't Hold Us" in the trailer for a Steve Jobs biopic, since my primary association with that song is the Windows commercials that it scores.

Geoffrey Schweppes (jaymc), Friday, 2 August 2013 21:45 (nine years ago) link

they're reclaiming macklemore!

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 2 August 2013 21:48 (nine years ago) link

they should just redo this and leave it at that: http://www.tubechop.com/watch/1371446

markers, Friday, 2 August 2013 21:48 (nine years ago) link

Hah "It only takes one person to start a revolution".

Yeah Steve Jobs should've ditched that loser Wozniak guy, amiright?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 August 2013 22:24 (nine years ago) link

i think so

markers, Friday, 2 August 2013 22:25 (nine years ago) link

I'd watch the Rifftrax version of it with suitable chemical augmentation.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 2 August 2013 23:16 (nine years ago) link

that christian bale meltdown on the set of terminator convinced me he's the one who should have had this role.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 2 August 2013 23:32 (nine years ago) link

are you implying you are not fully satisfied with their choice of ashton kutcher??

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 3 August 2013 02:30 (nine years ago) link

six months pass...

wow this movie has the potential to be even more boring and less cinematic than The Social Network!!

you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Friday, 28 February 2014 07:25 (eight years ago) link

how was The Social Network not cinematic? did you want car chases?

The Buzzing of Summer Tweets (Noodle Vague), Friday, 28 February 2014 07:33 (eight years ago) link

yes. yes i did.

you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Friday, 28 February 2014 07:45 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

Lol

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/ex-iphone/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

Mr. Jobs was notorious for throwing his weight around however he could. One person on the iPhone design team was also named Steve, which caused some confusion in meetings. Mr. Jobs sought to change this.

“At some point Steve Jobs got really frustrated with this and said ‘Guess what, you’re Margaret from now on,’” Mr. Tolmasky said. From there on, members of the team would always address the designer Steve as Margaret.

CarlosDP, Friday, 25 April 2014 00:48 (eight years ago) link

haven't gotten around to reading that yet, but good story

markers, Friday, 25 April 2014 00:59 (eight years ago) link


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