poll thomas anderson

voting PDL which I just rewatched on my boring Satuday night

There Will Be Blood, but I am considering voting for Punch Drunk just because I think it's great and I'm sure there are loads of people who hate hate hate that film on ILX.

twbb, though I can't remember anything about hard eight except that there was gambling and a lot of actors he likes to use

all i really remember was his pocket catching on fire.

PDL, for so many reasons.

"Business is very food" indeed.

I always really wanted to see Magnolia

There Will Be Blood, but I am considering voting for Punch Drunk just because I think it's great and I'm sure there are loads of people who hate hate hate that film on ILX.

this is very true and I will show solidarity by voting with you

I don't hate PDL; there was quite a bit in there I thought was cool. But even with its likable qualities it still seemed to me irredeemably full of shit.

I liked There Will Be Blood a lot too, but Boogie Nights is easily the best movie up there (out of the ones I've seen)

Probably the only filmmaker with five or more films where I've seen them all. Boogie Nights is an easy #1 for me. Magnolia's a flawed and fascinating #2. Punch-Drunk Love a mild #3, interesting mostly for Sandler. I tried three times with There Will Be Blood--as ambitious as Magnolia, but it just didn't come together for me. Hard Eight I only saw once, soon after Boogie Nights came out, and at this point I remember very little. Whatever he puts out, I'll go see. I still count him as someone who could make a great film at any time, even though Boogie Nights is the only one I count as unequivocally great.

I realize I'm very close to having seen every Kubrick film--all of them except the very, very first one.

love a lot of things about Magnolia, but it and his previous two don't hold a candle to the PDL or TWBB

I think how anyone feels about There Will Be Blood is going to be largely determined by how you feel about Daniel Day-Lewis. It's a memorable performance, but for me it overwhelms the rest of the film in ways that are often off-putting.

I can see that, but aside from him I think it's PTA's best work as a director and a writer. Of course, I think Daniel Day-Lewis fits the material perfectly.

There is lots to love about TWBB but PDA's giddy thrill at combining Scorsese, Altman, and 70s porn is absolutely palpable. It's one of the signature U.S. Films of the 90s imo.

Boogie Nights followed by TWBB, trash the rest

i'm pretty sure PDL was well received on here

it's pretty divided and polarized - people slam it for the same reasons they slam amelie, for being twee indie loser wish fulfillment bullshit

I know this because I looked up all the threads cause I'm a stan of both, I used to question my feelings towards but then I realized it's okay to be in touch with your sentimental side fuck the haters

PDL is my favourite, it's pretty unique. I love Magnolia too.

should really watch PDL again, loved it when i saw it like 7 years ago. voted TWBB though.

Voted BN with TWBB a close second.

i wanna see pdl for the jeremy blake stuff

Hard Eight still his best.

Hard Eight "

There Will Be Blood

boogie nights
magnolia
twbb
hard 8
pdl

My issue with PDL is not the sadsack twee stuff; my issue is with the careening automobiles and rando pipe organs or w/e the fuck that thing is

voted for Magnolia to be kinda semi-contrarian, because i realize how ridiculous and stupid it is but the first time i saw it was probably the most i've enjoyed any of his movies. Hard Eight was pretty good, would like to see it again, PDL was aight, probably have never give Boogie Nights the attention it deserves but something about it is just off-putting to me. and totally hated There Will Be Blood.

There Will Be Blood by a nose over Hard Eight (his only films that mostly work, in TWBB's case in spite of a shitty last 20 minutes).

xxp harmonium!

yea my main issue is the end w/ phil hoffman. i dont think its a terrible movie and theres some scenes i really like...one i remember is sandler spontaneously balling to the dentist...but i rate it markedly lower than the other 4

was that supposed to be "bawling" or was there a scene in this movie that i totally do not remember?

This is semantics, I know, but saying that Boogie Nights doesn't work seems way off to me; it's a complete and wholly realized film. You may not like it, or may think it's a mountain of style on top of a molehill of an idea, but it all comes together.

Xxp Yeah "harmonium" came to me just now...

Methinks this thread is full of covert Sandler fans...No matter; TWBB will walk this,a nd it should; it's a v good film.

clemenza, I don't like BN = it doesn't work. Its borrowings from Altman and Raging Bull to much lesser effect are actively annoying.

The Sandler movie is hideous.

You may not like it, or may think it's a mountain of style on top of a molehill of an idea, but it all comes together.

Well, I don't doubt that, for example, TWBB turned out exactly how PTA wanted, but it's a crabbed, stilted conception.

hard eight - seen twice, barely remember
boogie nights - great fun fuiud
magnolia - don't hate it, never loved it
punch drunk love - probably overrate it, but it pisses all over
twbb - not good and certainly not very much fun

I think nothing underscores PTA's genius better than recognizing "Boogie Nights" and "Magnolia" as ambitious transitional works, which clearly they were.

There are times I think "There Will Be Blood" is the greatest American film since the '70s, vying with "The Thin Red Line." I can't think of any movie that does a better job capturing just what went wrong with the American experiment. Those "shitty" final minutes are vital metaphor for the pathological farce that we've become.

The last fifteen minutes ARE a pathological farce.

All the Altman and Scorsese flourishes in Boogie Nights don't bother me at all; people borrow from people all the time. (They don't bother me anymore than stuff in Taxi Driver that's lifted from Godard and Bresson.) The thing that always carries me away--and this is where I find it different than all of PTA's other work--is how joyous a film it is. There's a sequence right at the end that I always mention...when Reynolds walks through his house, going from room to room, looking in on all the main characters (even Little Bill, whose portrait is on the wall); he's talking to himself as he does so, sort of a mock exasperation at things like Buck's baby being in the pool, and it's clear that he loves all these people so much. I've seen Boogie Nights at least 10 or 12 times, and it always strikes me as an improbably graceful and generous film in view of its subject matter.

otm

the pathological farce that we've become.

sounds a bit overheated for a country built on genocide and slavery but w/e

josh in chicago otm

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sounds a bit overheated for a country built on genocide and slavery but w/e

Hardly unique to America, dude. But modern cutthroat capitalism is our baby.

Re: the end of "Boogie Nights," tbh honest the movie's alternative family theme, with Burt as paterfamilias, was already pretty prominent/obvious. That affection is there from the beginning.

Speaking of paterfamilias, my first reaction upon seeing "Magnolia" all those years ago was that it could have been titled "I Hate You, Dad." PTA working through some personal shit with that one.

Really, people don't like Magnolia? For me it's clearly better -- mostly because BIGGER - than Boogie Nights and Punch-Drunk Love. Didn't seem ridiculous to me at the time, and it seems even less ridiculous to me in retrospect -- we live in more Fortean times. But I didn't vote because I haven't seen There Will Be Blood or Hard Eight.

this guy is the worst, sorry.

Punch-Drunk Love but man toughest poll ever. I think this guy is an actual genius you know.

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That affection is there from the beginning.

Absolutely. I just single out the scene at the end as a summation of that theme. This affection is also what can be very off-putting about Boogie Nights. If you think about films set wholly or partly in the world of pornography, they tend to be along the lines of Hardcore, Auto-Focus, Videodrome, Star 80, Wonderland, etc; it's a grubby, hateful world. So Boogie Nights could well be a work of irresponsibly romantic naivete--having never, um, worked in the industry, I don't know. I can only judge it as a film unto itself, though, and I love the world it creates.

While I love "Boogie Nights" - as far as pure entertainment goes, it's a near-perfect confection - I do have some issues with it, namely that not only are many of the shots/scenes explicitly referencing other films (which is cool), a lot of the story is too drawn-from-life biopic for me. There's just way too much of the real John Holmes story in there for me to fully embrace it as much more than an ambitious stylistic exercise, even if as an exercise it really is flawless. The acting is top notch, the filmmaking top notch, the writing top notch, but I guess wish it were more original than audacious. That's a pretty minor criticism, to be fair, but it contributes to its talented young filmmaker getting his ya-yas out vibe. Which, again, is why I consider it and "Magnolia" transitional. It's not a coincidence that PTA made a concerted effort to change directions and tone things down with "Punch Drunk Love." That one's like a palette cleanser.

ilx loves the hyped pretentious American guys

There Will Be Blood is one of my favorite movies ever. An epic masterpiece. So I voted for that.

I don't get that at all. How is Boogie Nights anymore pretentious than Carlos? I think both are great, and they've got a lot in common. Boogie Nights doesn't have subtitles.

I don't think PTA is pretentious at all, at least not the early stuff. The guy is smart, sure, but he makes (made?) movies as entertainments. "Punch Drunk Love" is too whimsical and weird to pass as pretentious, too, and "TWBB" is just too overtly ... evil to cry pretentious, AFAIC. Whereas, say, Olivier Assayas is TOTALLY pretentious, and not just because he's French.

wtf

i guess 'demonlover' could be called pretentious, but otherwise nah

Irma Vep ain't pretentious? Boarding Gate? C'mon.

magnolia was v. pretentious!

frogs

I mean...

some of you guys need to differentiate pretentious & good

quitting PTA/Tarantino threads

got to be boogie nights, tho twbb & pdl are v good too, magnolia is an abject failure

hard8, w/e

There's a certain amount of pretension attached to the frogs--the biblical connection and all of that--but I'm willing to give them a pass because they're they're so crazy-funny. They're worth it just for PSH's great line: "Oh my God--there are frogs falling from the sky!"

Morbius: instead of just asserting the difference, I'm actually interested in your explanation as to how Carlos is good and Boogie Nights is pretentious. They seem like two versions of the same film to me.

don't bother addressing Morbius itt, when he says he quits a thread man he's a ghost

They seem like two versions of the same film to me.

― clemenza, Sunday, February 27, 2011 4:38 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban

this seems a bit far off. other than the fact they're films set in the 1970s-80s about one real guy and one guy-based-on-a-real-guy, they're not very similar. i don't think either is remotely pretentious. 'boogie nights' is more outwardly entertaining and cinematographically showy. bored typing this.

x-post I don't consider "Magnolia" pretentious so much as immature. But regardless, like I said, he got it out of his system. Though I must admit, Assayas's dull as shit "Sentimental Destinies" embraces a certain melodramatic PTA-like scope, albeit done as boring and slow and, yes, pretentious as possible. I could totally see PTA remaking it.

this seems a bit far off. other than the fact they're films set in the 1970s-80s about one real guy and one guy-based-on-a-real-guy, they're not very similar. i don't think either is remotely pretentious. 'boogie nights' is more outwardly entertaining and cinematographically showy. bored typing this.

― this odyssey that refuses to quit calling itself (history mayne), Sunday, February 27, 2011 11:44 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

1 theyre both abt pornstar terrorists
2 both feature mark wahlburgs massive dong
3 both were filmed in france

Speaking of paterfamilias, my first reaction upon seeing "Magnolia" all those years ago was that it could have been titled "I Hate You, Dad." PTA working through some personal shit with that one.

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:49 AM (55 minutes ago) Bookmark

that's all his movies

x-post I don't consider "Magnolia" pretentious so much as immature. But regardless, like I said, he got it out of his system. Though I must admit, Assayas's dull as shit "Sentimental Destinies" embraces a certain melodramatic PTA-like scope, albeit done as boring and slow and, yes, pretentious as possible. I could totally see PTA remaking it.

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, February 27, 2011 4:45 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

gtfo

i know that america 'invented capitalism' or whatever but 'destinees' is a... better (placeholder word, sry i have to get out) film on the capitalist mentality than 'twbb'

I loved Magnolia when it came out (I was 14), but I don't think you could even get me to watch it again today! I always liked amateurist's dismissal of it as 'emotional pornography'... PDL's the only one I truly hate

The two major similarities to me: the way music's used, and the rise-and-fall timeline of each film. There was a moment in Carlos where I half-expected to see a big "Goodbye '80s!" banner draped across the wall like in Boogie Nights. As far as the music goes, they're both the kind of film--like Scorsese, Wes Anderson, Sofia Coppola--where I almost get the feeling that the director came up with the songlist first, then built his or her film around the music. The way Assayas uses Wire, New Order, and the Dead Boys is just so memorable. So: I'm speaking broadly, but they've both got a very similar large-canvas, free-wheeling kind of mood to them, and they're both great '70s films. I realize that they're less similar when you get into particulars.

clemenza, I don't like BN = it doesn't work. Its borrowings from Altman and Raging Bull to much lesser effect are actively annoying.

― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Sunday, February 27, 2011 10:24 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Morbius: instead of just asserting the difference, I'm actually interested in your explanation as to how Carlos is good and Boogie Nights is pretentious. They seem like two versions of the same film to me.

― clemenza, Sunday, February 27, 2011 11:38 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I don't consider "Magnolia" pretentious so much as immature. But regardless, like I said, he got it out of his system. Though I must admit, Assayas's dull as shit "Sentimental Destinies" embraces a certain melodramatic PTA-like scope, albeit done as boring and slow and, yes, pretentious as possible. I could totally see PTA remaking it.

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, February 27, 2011 4:45 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

haha this thread full of some excellent people who dont realize they hate movies type banter

That's a funny line...even though I have no idea what it means.

It's cryptically charming and charmingly cryptic.

I loved Magnolia when it came out (I was 14), but I don't think you could even get me to watch it again today! I always liked amateurist's dismissal of it as 'emotional pornography'... PDL's the only one I truly hate

― ℳℴℯ　❤＼(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Sunday, February 27, 2011 11:52 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah i saw it when i was 18 and i think a lot of my lingering affection for it comes from the sheer impact of the stupid frog thing and having no idea that was coming, up until that point i was probably pretty on the fence about it. i kind of agree w/ people characterizing Magnolia as a failure and TWBB as a success and just think i must not like what the guy's going for much and get more enjoyment out of how he fucks up when he fucks up.

a very unmagical film abt magic

I don't know if I'd call TWBB a success, I mostly just dig DDL in that shit bein all like YOU WILL AGREE IF I SAY IM AN OIL MAN, whatever the hell that means... the movie itself is a boring POS. Boogie Nights is the only thing that doesn't bore me and is fun and cool. PTA is like the most talented maker of badmovies I can think of (I'm not soliciting suggestions btw)

TS: the most talented maker of bad movies or the least talented maker of good movies?

In my defense, I will readily admit that the one time I saw "Sentimental Destinies" was at its 2000 (1999?) Toronto Film Fest premiere, at a relatively late in the day screening, but I do remember vividly that when this three hour epic about a turn of the century porcelain making family finally got around to an angry plate-breaking scene, people cheered.

The frogs thing is the only thing I really remember about Magnolia. I don't think I liked it very much though.

Have only seen the last two. PDL was alot of fun to watch. TWBB was a well-made movie but for most of my viewing experience I didn't actually enjoy watching it.

PTA is like the most talented maker of badmovies I can think of (I'm not soliciting suggestions btw)

maybe the next divisive star he can craft a vehicle for should be Nic Cage

i have weekly arguments about nic cage with my colleagues. i call him academy award winner nic cage.

Adam Sandler: This is Barry.
Sister: Hey it's me, what are you doing?
Adam Sandler: I have some customers, I can't really chat right now.
Sister: Chat? Did you just say chat? You just fucking said chat, that's so... what are you now? "Chat." I'm just calling to make sure that you show up to this party tonight.
Adam Sandler: Oh yes, I will be there.
Sister: OK fine then. You get to go back to chatting with your precious customers you fucking phony, chatty piece of shit.
Adam Sandler: OK. All right. Thank you.

x-post as everyone should imo

maybe the next divisive star he can craft a vehicle for should be Nic Cage

― some dude, Sunday, February 27, 2011 12:06 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark

I would actually be pretty stoked about that. As much as I tend to not dig PTA's movies, I'm still always curious about whatever he does next.

haha this thread full of some excellent people who dont realize they hate movies type banter

― ice cr?m, Sunday, February 27, 2011 11:54 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

That's a funny line...even though I have no idea what it means.

― clemenza, Sunday, February 27, 2011 11:56 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

oh you know joyless cramming of concepts into facile critical frameworks, manufactured irritation via practiced formal observations, nervous sweeping proclamations, misanthropic amateur sociology, the usual

The best thing about Punch Drunk Love is this DVD extra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkeLGisUHtc

I watched it 20x in a row the first time I saw it.

i love you in a not gay way jshea

i love him in a very gay way

music seems to be a big issue/problem with his movies, too, Magnolia and PDL and TWBB all had scores that were prominent to the point of being obtrusive or distracting. can't remember anything about the music in Hard Eight and i guess it was a little more tastefully deployed or integrated into the film in Boogie Nights as far as i can remember.

i love all of these movies. yay! but i guess PDL by a nose. surprised only one person stood up for Hard Eight

Adam Sandler: This is Barry.
Sister: Hey it's me, what are you doing?
Adam Sandler: I have some customers, I can't really chat right now.
Sister: Chat? Did you just say chat? You just fucking said chat, that's so... what are you now? "Chat." I'm just calling to make sure that you show up to this party tonight.
Adam Sandler: Oh yes, I will be there.
Sister: OK fine then. You get to go back to chatting with your precious customers you fucking phony, chatty piece of shit.
Adam Sandler: OK. All right. Thank you.

― rip van wanko, Sunday, February 27, 2011 12:08 PM (57 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah the things people forget abt punch drunk love when conjuring its grosser elements for critical distain is that its hella funny, which excuses everything

Yeah, I didn't really get the big deal about the score for TWBB either.

That exchange is kinda funny, but it'd be better with some gay slurs

Music is used really well in BN iirc. I can't hear Mama Told me Not to come now without immediately feeling like I'm in the middle of some sex and drug fueled party.

TS: the most talented maker of bad movies or the least talented maker of good movies?

hahaha this is perfect

x-post Ha! For the life of me I can't tell if everyone's still in character after PSH takes a tumble!

i hated the TWBB score so much, really one of the main seeds of my dislike for the whole movie. the Jon Brion scores in the earlier ones were mostly dope imo though.

Yeah, I didn't really get the big deal about the score for TWBB either.

― ℳℴℯ　❤＼(◕‿◕✿ (Princess TamTam), Sunday, February 27, 2011 12:13 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

found it p intrusive/distracting and k lame/forced - only thing i dont unequivocally love abt that movie fwiw

i love you in a not gay way jshea

― À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Sunday, February 27, 2011 12:10 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i love him in a very gay way

― ENBB, Sunday, February 27, 2011 12:11 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

*gay hugs*

x-post ^^^

i would climb up that mysterious ladder,

The best thing about Punch Drunk Love is this DVD extra

I watched it 20x in a row the first time I saw it.

― wizards of wonder are the keepers of knowledge (Abbbottt), Sunday, February 27, 2011 12:10 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hahahaha had not seen that, amazing

A lot of folks forget Michael Penn scored the first two (though Brion obv. chipped in).

"Les Destinees" = best film in thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqvpHJREGtk

oh you know joyless cramming of concepts into facile critical frameworks, manufactured irritation via practiced formal observations, nervous sweeping proclamations, misanthropic amateur sociology, the usual

Oh, please. Maybe there are threads where you elaborate on all the wisdom you keep hidden from the rest of us, but in my experience, you're someone who contributes little more than pithy dismissals of what other people say, people who are often to trying to explain what they like or dislike about something. I mean, I can't think of anything more joyless than the manufactured irritation that defines your post above.

i guess you liked it better when you didnt know what it meant

Two-way tie for last.

You've all got the touch.

Pretty sure Paul Thomas Anderson would have made a better Transformers movie than Michael Bay, Kubrick, Scorcese, whatever.

Also PTA beats Scorcese in better Daniel Day Lewis/John C. Reilly utilization.

I dunno about that, DDL was pretty boss in GOTY. Would've been unwatchable without him.

hate daniel day lewis

I always wondered - after DDL immerses himself in shoemaking for six months or whatever, when the movie's over, does he keep up the trade? Cobble shoes for friends and stuff?

The cobbler thing wasn't for a movie dude...

maybe u had the wrong idea about My Left Foot

no doubt DDL is pulling weight for dicaprio, but that's another area where PTA beats Scorcese. He didn't put Sandler in a mismatched role like Scorcese did to Leo. I wonder how much of a handicap you'd have to give PTA if they were playing some kind of tabletop strategy game.

Different situation - he wouldn't have been able to make a movie like GOTY without DiCaprio and Diaz. It's easy to forget now that Marty's on top of the world these days, but back then he was having a hell of a time when it came to getting to make the movies he wanted.

Man I just said GOTY twice. GONY. Whatever, it sucks anyway

wtf is GOTY?

xpost!

Gangs of Time Out New York

50 Best Places to Shank Your Enemies

x-post OMG, I totally forgot that he was making shoes for fun! (Also learned that a shoemaker is called a cordwainer; cobblers repair shoes). The story goes that DDL was being pursued by photographers in Florence and ducked into a shoemaker's for cover. He struck up a conversation with the shoemaker, and next thing you know, he's an apprentice for 11 months!

Basically, DDL and PTA should reteam for a movie about shoes.

tamtam otm itt

boogie nights is the only one worth much imo

did boogie nights set the template for the adam mckay/will farrell disjointed improv plot comedy? watching it was a lot like watching weatherman.

mustaches notwithstanding.

weatherman!

lol

were it to vote again, it'd be for boogie nights

dude was like 26 when he made that? no shit it's kind of derivative, it's also brilliant

funny as fuck

Magnolia is a fucking dreadful film. Enjoyed Boogie Nights but never want to see it again. Haven't seen the other two so it looks like There Will Be Blood by default.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

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pdl over boogie nights is surprising

totally missed this. would have voted PDL, probably. kind of curse the "auteur" meme that makes it acceptable/expected for this very talented director to write his own movies.

also i'd bet $5 that "GOTY" is stuck in tamtam's mind because of "game of the year"

magnolia has the most hideous, oppressive soundtrack in the history of film, by the way. imagine a violin grinding into a human face forever.

except for the supertramp

PDL is interesting in that I went into it expecting to love it and I ended up hating it with an outstanding passion, mostly because of the expectation (see also Pan's Labyrinth) but also because it didn't seem to have a point or a sympathetic/convincing character arc

liked Boogie Nights and TWBB with reservations; latter is the more satisfying film but former has best sequence (tolling bell degradation bit)

TWBB is kinda...proscribed - its greatness is explicit rather than implicit; there's no mystery, only grandeur. I think this is the main problem with PTA but at least he totally nailed the grandeur that time

movie's hysterical and not-real but i dunno, amidst all the frenzy i get hit by stuff. also it is often funny.

boogie nights i mean.

TWBB... i dunno. gorgeous-looking. DDL's ultra fun. love the score (pazzed it that year). don't really take anything away from it.

that's about right on both films tbh

god i didn't even mean boogie nights i meant punch-drunk love. i have an opinion on boogie nights too but i'm gonna give it a rest for a while

I'd say that the ten minute set piece episode between the "morning after/call before work" scene and the "sex worker telling him he's fucked" scene is probably the best thing Anderson has done so far.

PDL is typically idiotic Sandler with pretentiousness added

Morbz otm.

The Waterboy >>>> Punch Drunk Love

(crucial deciding factor = Fairuza Balk)

Does anyone else wonder whether Boogie Nights endorses Burt Reynolds' conviction that he's making "artistic" porn? That's one of my problems with the movie; it doesn't seem to know.

I'm pretty sure Reynolds' grand pronouncements about his films (mostly made during the one scene in the restaurant early in the film) are meant to be amusing. I think you're supposed to like his inflated sense of self, but not take him seriously.

we like the characters (to begin with anyway) but think them misguided (at best). does the film have to make a declarative statement? i don't think the films are meant to be taken as art, at all, but the first one we see them shoot with julianne moore and wahlberg is not meant to make us feel it's exploitative or whatever, as later ones do.

we're supposed to giggle at reynolds' ambitions but the movie likes him because he has ambitions and doesn't just want to beat girls up on shitty video for the money.

we should poll how many bad performances there are in Magnolia. Julianne Moore would top the list.

totally love julianne moore in this movie tho

you're dead to me

her crazed, manic melodramatics seem pitched just right for that material imo

p sure i have mentioned this before. the scene where she is picking up the prescription and the guy is all "p strong shit ur picking up there lady" is top drawer

the problem is the movie is pitched as a crazed, manic melodrama.

also there's a bit where frogs fall out of the sky

well that's not Moore's fault xpost

realize this sounds baity but the frogs are the only good part.

Moore's performance in Magnolia reminds me of Agnes Moorehead's meltdown scene in The Magnificent Ambersons--she's so far out there, you're going to think it's great acting or you're going to recoil. For me, the performance is too much. But I don't have any particular problems with anyone else in Magnolia, and think some of the performances (John C. Reilly, PSH, Henry Gibson) are excellent. (I like Cruise a lot too.)

never really understood the relevance of the prologue to 'magnolia'. confuses coincidence with... stuff happening.

the Moorehead analogy is good, but in a movie in which the other actors are quiet and solid Moorehead's hysteria is necessary -- and, like you said, she only melts down once.

What PTA does to Moore in Magnolia reminds me of what Woody did to Judy Davis in Celebrity: after directing her best performance in H&W he asks her to reprise her tricks, with the added bonus of simulating giving head to a banana. "Let's see how I deeply I can embarrass her and the audience."

The prologue does seem kind of tacked on, there to announce that you're about to see an important film. I like Ricky Jay's narration, though, and there's something of a tenuous connection.

I'm with you on Moore. I find her unwatchable in the pharmacy scene plax singled out.

I don't loathe Boogie Nights or Magnolia -- they both have some good stuff in there -- but I'm amazed that some ppl hate one and not the other, since they seem so damn similar.

well, for one, BN doesn't boast that skin-crawling score.

well one of them has a bunch of cool 70s songs while john c. reilly does some funny riffs about the gym and the other one has stringed instruments being poured into your ear literally nonstop while people weep.

and except for every scene William H. Macy's in (PTA's got a talent for misdirecting him), the perfs are all solid.

magnolia is like if the "1980s" section of boogie nights went on for three hours and was even worse.

Talking to difficult listening hour offboard, I remarked that maybe PTA's talents are best suited for television, where the medium would suppress his wilder flights of fancy. Hard Eight's in essence an excellent HBO-type film.

They have a lot in common, but there's a mood of oppressiveness in Magnolia that's mostly absent in Boogie Nights. (It's there sometimes, mostly in the second half, in scenes like Reynolds and Roller Girl making the man-on-the-street video). Boogie Nights has a lot of scenes that are light and joyous--there just aren't any in Magnolia. I love one, like the other, but the second feels more like work (and, to me, ultimately feels more like There Will Be Blood than Boogie Nights).

(It's there sometimes, mostly in the second half, in scenes like Reynolds and Roller Girl making the man-on-the-street video).

yeah, this scene--"artfully" intercut w/ wahlberg jacking off in a truck while loud ominous music plays--is the one i was thinking of. magnolia is a whole movie of that.

I rather like oppressiveness, I don't know if you've noticed

you should visit the US politics thread at least once then.

also i'd bet $5 that "GOTY" is stuck in tamtam's mind because of "game of the year"

― difficult listening hour, Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

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These are all pretty good movies, but there is way too much SHOUTING acting in them. Although Burt Reynolds is terrific in BN and doesn't shout at all.

best film maker of his generation though right?

tamtam & ENBB otm throughout

Me too.

lol

boogie nights and twbb are the top two for me, probably twbb just a shade over BN, probably solely because of DDL's performance (choice lines such as "One night I'm gonna come to you, inside of your house, wherever you're sleeping, and I'm gonna cut your throat" and so on.)

there's some stuff in 'boogie nights' that doesn't quite work for me, like that weird scene with handjob dude (entire scene makes zero sense imo) and the donut shop scene that seems to come from a tarantino whereas everything else is scorsese. still entertaining as fuck. magnolia is trying to be great but it's really just all surface and the content seems a little empty despite desperately trying not to be. plus the frogs = the earthquake in short cuts.

this is actually a tough poll since i think all of these films have great points but there's something off about all of them too. i've always felt the middle part of Magnolia, the pacing and mounting tension of it (you just know some sort of cathartic release is coming), is sort of amazing. maybe his best stretch of filmmaking, and probably the kind of thing he'll always be best at.

TWBB has always been sort of a blank for me. need to see it again.

Boognie Nights is certainly most entertaining and even fun despite the fact that its condescension to its characters bothers me a little bit. I can't remember anything about PDL except for the Popeye song on the soundtrack.

I probably said as much upthread, but I don't think Boogie Nights condescends to its characters any more than Altman does in Nashville. I realize some would argue that both films do. I say neither--the directors like the characters too much to condescend.

well. it's a tricky line because i think the movie does both. i almost wonder if the idea was to be "lol 70s" and then Anderson realized he liked his characters and that's why the movie takes a poignant turn. i guess you could argue its either incoherent or that whole idea was to make that turn.

i rewatched boogie nights just a couple weeks ago, and it's still really funny and enjoyable, but i honestly had forgotten or maybe never realized how much it owed to goodfellas. i mean i always thought of it as being part of the goodfellas legacy, remembered the shots it had lifted, but really the entire movie literally couldnt exist in any recognizable form w/o gfellas. its almost like a reskin. so that kinda lessened it in my eyes, but i still think it's probably my fav pta. that was the first time i noticed PSH in something and im still really impressed by how specific and perfect that performance is, and also still cant believe the guy who played that asexual blob creature could be so convincing as a hardass baseball lifer like Art Howe

i havent seen twbb since it came out and ive been meaning to rewatch it because i was majorly confused by the late-film revelation that paul dano had an identical twin or something. i guess i wasnt paying enough attention, maybe it was there the whole time. really enjoy DDL in it

*homosexual blob creature

Dano's twin is in the first scene

yeah i figured it was something like that. during the final scene i was so distracted cuz i was just trying to puzzle out whether it was a revelation or if i was supposed to know it already

boogie nights is still his only good film

Video: Steadicam progress – the career of Paul Thomas Anderson in five shots

http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/sight-sound-magazine/features/video-steadicam-progress-career-paul-thomas-anderson-five

spoke to the NYT about his upcoming adap of Pynchon's Inherent Vice:

http://www.salon.com/2012/12/27/paul_thomas_anderson_on_upcoming_pynchon_adaptation_screenplay_is_more_secretarial/

i like Siskel and Ebert's 'dscussion' here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_2dKTxpH7o