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I just watched the shining again. Is this movie about the revenge of dead Indian souls or just evil possesion?

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The SHINNING.

It's about Stanley Kubrick being a pretentious twerp, and Jack Nicholson & Shelley Duvall over-acting. Scatman Crothers, though, saves this flick from COMPLETE uselessness.

David Raposa, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

YOu know I was thinking, I might actually like it more if NIcholson and Duvall were replaced by some other lesser known actors. You see Nicholson and hes not scarey so much as rascally, and Duvall is just annoying.

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Yay Scatman Crothers! Drives eight million miles in a milkfloat just to get chopped in the chest with a fire-axe!! He also has the same poster on his bedroom wall as Chef in South Park. Sub-thread q. Name the first Indian Burial Ground movie... (for london readers: plaguepit = uk equiv of indian bg...)

mark s, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Just bought the DVD over the weekend; the transfer is quite disappointing--might as well be VHS. The documentary was interesting though. I think Kubrick really disliked Duvall, there wasn't one positive exchange in the docu between them. Directors sometimes prod actors to get more of a reaction out of them on film, maybe that was what he was doing, but it seemed to be a genuine irritation.

I still say it's a great film, at the very least visually speaking. The symmetrical corridors, the maze, the quick splicing of those ugly little girls. Brilliant trailer, which is simply the elevator/blood sequence with credits scrolling past. Nicholson's overacting is total classic. The last scenes as Duvall's running around the hotel are a bit too much. Anyway, I was watching it again and I think one of the best scenes in the film is the one in the bathroom with Delbert Grady, as "Midnight with the Stars and You" plays outside in the ballroom. I love how when they first bump into each other, Grady seems like a kindly butler-sort, but when Jack calls him on his past, he suddenly shifts to effectively sinister.

Joe, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

the shining is ace.

ethan, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The Shining is CLASSIC. Of course in hindsight you sort of cringe because now Jackie does overact. I love it. It's about being cut off from society and tricycles! Weeee! Not those damn steps (or whatever you call'em) which daft cunts use these days.... sometimes even on trains.
How about Altman's Popeye film with S. Duval? Christ that flick scared the shit outa me.

nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

red rum, red rum.

Geoff, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Its pretty amazing that although the whole film is very brightly lit, its still creepy as hell. Whats up with that ghost in the wierd bunny outfit!?

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

But Mark, I can't think of a single horror story related to plague pits. Please enlighten me.

DG, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I was hoping someone else wd have an answer!! I don't know of any Brit movies abt it. There was an episode of Doomwatch, in the late60s/early 70s. The film abt cannibals on the underground: they are also disease-infested, tho not specifically plague. Quatermass and the Pit sorta skirts round the idea, before haring off after martians (same as I wd, but still). There is a short story by Clive Barker, in the Books of Blood (book one, I think), which is absolutely precisely exactly abt it, and is probably what got me obsessing abt it in the first place.

mark s, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The Shining - classic. Second scariest movie ever made (first = Suspiria.)

Plague movies, hmmm... Wot abt 'Plague of Zombies' (1966 Hammer flick) - years since I've seen it, can't remember much abt it, poss. plague zombiefication involved tho'. And don't recall an Indian burial ground flick before 'Poltergeist'.

Andrew L, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

the shining is classic.

sundar subramanian, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Classic because i think it was Kubricks response to his blocks. Plus it is one of a very few movies i can stand Nicholson in .

anthony, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

The Shining sucks, it's not even scary.

Ally, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ally, do you think ANY horror movies are scary?

Andrew L, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I love this topic. There is one frightening movie that I have seen not too long ago and that was the Prophecy. Has anyone seen it? Christopher Walken was the actor... Very chilling! Gale

Gale Deslongchamps, Monday, 6 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ally, do you think ANY horror movies are scary

No, I'm unfortunately very jaded. My mom forced me to watch The Exorcist when I was like 4, what can I say?

Ally, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Jack can do no wrong.

Neither can Krzysztof Penderecki (gotta stick up fer fellow Polacks with a name unpronounceable by Anglophones!)

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
The miniseries version is running on Sci-Fi. OMG, this is awful.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Stephen King loved it because it was blindly faithful to the book. Meh.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:23 (sixteen years ago) link

stephen king sure doesn't have a good track record when it comes to having anything to do with tv mini-serieseseses.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:26 (sixteen years ago) link

isn't steven weber in this one?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Not only is he in it, but he tries to do a Jack Nicholson impression every once in a while!

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:35 (sixteen years ago) link

It occurs to me that the guys from Wings are popular in King series - the Stand, the Shining, the winter storm one. Is Tony Shalhoub going to be in the next one?

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:36 (sixteen years ago) link

what about the pretty lady?

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:38 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't remember that much about Wings.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 29 April 2004 02:40 (sixteen years ago) link

king always loves movies when they stick close to his books. he hated "the shining" so he remade it into a version that he felt was closer. "pet sematary" was a piece of shit too but he loved it because it followed his (admittedly pretty good) novel almost to the letter.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:16 (sixteen years ago) link

stephen king sure doesn't have a good track record when it comes to having anything to do with tv mini-serieseseses.

Wha? I don't know about you, but Salem's Lot scared the shit out of me when I first saw it.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:17 (sixteen years ago) link

i don't know about you, but i never saw it!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 03:43 (sixteen years ago) link

I saw a Stephen King-approved Carrie TV movie. That was TERRIBLE.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 29 April 2004 04:29 (sixteen years ago) link

can't wait for the "stand by me" mini-series with jonathan lipnicki, jonathan taylor thomas, brian austin green and the guy who played jonathan in buffy!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 April 2004 04:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Watched the last thirty minutes of the Shining miniseries. Yep, now I remember why I hated it in '97.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 29 April 2004 04:48 (sixteen years ago) link

I dropped it to watch some Dawson's Creek reruns. Jen was mega-hot the last season.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 29 April 2004 05:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Stephen King isn't very scary so there

Frank Swedehead, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Its pretty amazing that although the whole film is very brightly lit, its still creepy as hell. Whats up with that ghost in the wierd bunny outfit!?

-- Ehh, I rewatched this a few nights ago. When Shelley's running through the Overlook at the end of the film there's this sudden snap-zoom and all of a sudden a fat man in a bear-suit giving a bloody blow-job fills the frame. It lasts for about four seconds, and it's creepy as shit. I was with watching this with Jon William in Rochester a few years ago and I was stoned as could be and thought I was hallucinating the scene. No dice, though.

Jeremy Coombs (Atila the Honeybun), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link

"pet sematary" was a piece of shit too but he loved it because it followed his (admittedly pretty good) novel almost to the letter.

One good scene (the funeral argument) does not a good book make! I found the whole thing boring and stupid.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link

no one buries pets in a graveyard thats just stupid, mosta the time they are put into stew

OldHickBill, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link

Scatman Crothers!

http://www.mechaex.com/wmd/JAZZ.jpg

Hero Worship (Barima), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:01 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm a Scatman bad a bid up a boo buddah, oh thats scatman john

ScatmanJohnFanclub Hostess, Wednesday, 5 May 2004 21:04 (sixteen years ago) link

i watched the movie and thought it was really bad as i was reading the book i got really scared! its so descriptive ...

CAss (CAss), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 22:06 (sixteen years ago) link

I liked how the book put you in the kid's head more than Kubrick's film, but the end was (in typical King fashion) pretty weak.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 22:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Made it through the first 1:50 before I started nodding off tonight.

Compared to the book, now, the only thing I miss is any sort of balance to Jack - even the minor moments of being a loving/caring human being. Everything else Kubrick changed or eliminated seem right on, though.

Seriously one of the most chilling movies right up through meeting Grady in the ballroom/bathroom - that kills all the momentum and drama (poss. I just know what's going to happen). The disassociation caused by the overacting music and framing create tension even in innocuous scenes, but it doesn't work when Kubrick tries to be more traditional, you just start noticing that Shelley Duvall has huge fucking eyes.

The naked black women in Scatman Crothers' bachelor pad are almost as great as the masked biker men in The Royal Tenenbaums.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 9 May 2004 08:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Didn't scare me the first time I saw it, but it gets worse and worse on every viewing, and last time I tried (couple of months ago, on a tuesday afternoon) I had to stop halfway through. For me, it's scary cos having somebody be angry with you is scary, and...Jack's angry with me.

And yeah, the aniaml-outfit-fellatio thing is really really freaky. In the book, it turns out the guy he's sucking off is the owner of the hotel. The owner of the hotel is called Horace Derwent. He's got the same (not particularly common) surname as me. So I shat myself when I read that.

JimD (JimD), Sunday, 9 May 2004 10:07 (sixteen years ago) link

"And yeah, the aniaml-outfit-fellatio thing is really really freaky. In the book, it turns out the guy he's sucking off is the owner of the hotel"

yeah, i think it actually works better in the movie because its so inexplicable.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:04 (sixteen years ago) link

"pet sematary" was a piece of shit too but he loved it because it followed his (admittedly pretty good) novel almost to the letter.
One good scene (the funeral argument) does not a good book make! I found the whole thing boring and stupid.

Well, I just disagree. I liked it because it was just a really creepy update of the monkey's paw. the parts with dead children and the nightime journey to the indian burial ground were really effective to me.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:06 (sixteen years ago) link

ANYWAY, miloauckerman OTM.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Monday, 10 May 2004 00:07 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...
http://waxy.org/random/video/shining_redux.mov

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 29 September 2005 14:33 (fourteen years ago) link

That's really good.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link

I love the sounds in the shining.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 29 September 2005 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link

thanks madchen, made my day :)

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 29 September 2005 17:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Stet deserves the credit, really.

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 29 September 2005 18:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I mean, he didn't make the thing, but he sent it to me.

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 29 September 2005 18:06 (fourteen years ago) link

:-)

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 29 September 2005 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link

that is fucking funny... it'd be even better with a better VO guy.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 September 2005 18:58 (fourteen years ago) link

"In a world of terror...isn't it nice to know that family still matters?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 September 2005 18:59 (fourteen years ago) link

the editing is fucking great!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:00 (fourteen years ago) link

"Solsbury Hill" -- even better.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link

as is the music.

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:01 (fourteen years ago) link

right, xpost :)

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:02 (fourteen years ago) link

when solsbury hill comes in, that's where it really takes off

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link

who did this? i'm going to try and sneak it into my friend's film festival this weekend if i can get permission!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link

WHAT ABOUT PET SEMATARY 2 GUYS??

Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Here's what is known so far.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Apparently it came from here : http://www.ps260.com/

Also, this made the rounds WAY fast... everyone's seen this today (not on ILX, I mean)

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Thursday, 29 September 2005 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, I was coming here to share it, and...well...

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 29 September 2005 20:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Servers are getting totally slammed now. I just IM'ed a friend about it, and as I was typing to her she said "wow, another friend of mine just emailed me about that now!"

Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 29 September 2005 20:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I got another link to that site just before it first showed up on ilx.

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Thursday, 29 September 2005 20:32 (fourteen years ago) link

wow, this is really good. the only thing it needs is slightly better production on the voice and a title card listing all the credits

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 30 September 2005 05:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Full story now up, as drawn together from a number of sources. Links to other contest entries there too.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 00:52 (fourteen years ago) link

(The Titanic one is okay but the West Side Story one is great.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 01:05 (fourteen years ago) link

the west side story one is pretty good but the others don't match up IMO. (the west side story one suffers from added SFX which i think is a little unfair). & the titanic one doesn't make that much sense when all of the footage it uses is of people running for their lives in the original movie; there's no real difference in meaning.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 3 October 2005 02:52 (fourteen years ago) link

the west side story one suffers from added SFX which i think is a little unfair

Yeah, but the end results!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 3 October 2005 03:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think much of the other two, at all, but the shining one is v. v. v. clever

RJG (RJG), Monday, 3 October 2005 03:10 (fourteen years ago) link

the parent trap one!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 3 October 2005 03:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Roffles:

The Shining Revised....oh my!

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Uh, oh wait, sorry. I didn't realize that was the same thing that was already posted above.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Anyway, it's fucking brilliant. I still almost had a heart attack when he opened the door to 237 though.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh god! I just realized that the kiss is actually from the bathtub scene where the woman turns into a corpse!

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 04:03 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

someone needs to remix this movie. here's what to do:

- remove 80% of the music. too many times this movie spills into overkill because of the combination of jack nicholson + crazy modern classical music. I think nicholson by himself = already spooky (plus also funny, which is another thing the shining should have exploited more)

- ...which means you need to hire an editor to make this movie happen in under 2 hours, so all dialogue and extended pan shots of (admittedly beautiful) scenery don't go stale

- structure the movie around the bar scenes. these move at a good pace, don't have a bunch of dramatic overkill, are funny, nice to look at, and give a great idea of jack's motivation to kill, are good barometers for his madness.

- hold off on the scariest images until the end. dropping the blood coming out of elevators in the first 20 minutes is bad pacing for a movie that in general takes its time getting to the finish line

Dominique, Monday, 26 November 2007 02:35 (twelve years ago) link

You're silly in the head.

Alex in NYC, Monday, 26 November 2007 12:05 (twelve years ago) link

someone needs to remix this movie.

I mean, did you SEE that awful miniseries?!

Eric H., Monday, 26 November 2007 12:17 (twelve years ago) link

"remixing"/"re-imagining"/"tweaking" this film would be like taking a runny, pungent dump on "The Mona Lisa." Don't fuck with it.

Alex in NYC, Monday, 26 November 2007 12:31 (twelve years ago) link

Maybe they could CGI Shelly Duvall out of the film and put Winona Ryder in instead, as a way of appealing to the young people. Also, they could get Greedo to shoot first.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 26 November 2007 13:19 (twelve years ago) link

- hold off on the scariest images until the end. dropping the blood coming out of elevators in the first 20 minutes is bad pacing for a movie that in general takes its time getting to the finish line

i agree with this, jack's descent into madness happens too suddenly - you don't get much of a sense of what he's actually like before he goes crazy so there's no counterpoint. then, when he does, it goes on for too long. really great movie but it's totally improvable.

jed_, Monday, 26 November 2007 13:27 (twelve years ago) link

I'm not so sure about holding it off until the end, though. The first shining that Danny has in the bathroom (about the elevator and the split-second splice of the twins) is very effective for presaging/foreshadowing and captures the viewer's attention quickly.

I do think when Shelly Duvall finally sees the elevator, though, it's been shown too many times by that point and not effective.

Joe, Monday, 26 November 2007 13:34 (twelve years ago) link

I'm trying to think if any other Great Director's Worst Film has inspired such slavish devotion...

Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 November 2007 14:01 (twelve years ago) link

I can only assume you've seen Fear and Desire. And A Clockwork Orange.

Eric H., Monday, 26 November 2007 17:47 (twelve years ago) link

slavish = people like it?

remy bean, Monday, 26 November 2007 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

I do think when Shelly Duvall finally sees the elevator, though, it's been shown too many times by that point and not effective.

Much as I'm totally not in the business of "improving" movies, I sort of agree with this. I never really thought it was right that Duvall literally sees the bloody elevators.

Eric H., Monday, 26 November 2007 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

I think the bloody elevators work best in that trailer. (Eric, I will give you Fear and Desire, I meant since Kubrick became Kubrick.)

To me to the degree it works at all it's a Grand Guignol Kramer vs Kramer, only there's no genre universe in which those 2 actors would be married to each other. I was a squeamish little teenage pussy when it debuted and it didn't scare me much.

I'll probably see it once more, thanks to the doubtsthis has planted, and be done with it forever.

Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

I think the entire movie should've taken place in the pantry.

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 26 November 2007 18:20 (twelve years ago) link

the shining is the only post-strangelove kubrick i have any great attachment to, though i'd prob like barry lyndon more now.

the whole bit with shelley running around at the end is pretty silly, though.

J.D., Monday, 26 November 2007 20:03 (twelve years ago) link

you don't get much of a sense of what he's actually like before he goes crazy so there's no counterpoint

true enough, but if you're looking for observant portrayals of plausible humans that the movie seems to care about, Kubrick might not be your thing.

kenan, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

honey, can't you see i'm BUSY?

whatever, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:10 (twelve years ago) link

also, there's more than a hint that Jack was plenty crazy long before we come in -- he's an abusive alcoholic prone to fits of rage. So when he turns raging and abusive, well... there you go. It's frightening not because "wooo! Ghosts!" but because his wife and son are familiar with this Jack already. But again, Kubrick doesn't much care about the humans in his movies, so it's all pretty fuzzy.

kenan, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:14 (twelve years ago) link

the shining needs a different second half. the only genuinely scary bits - the subliminal visions - are in the first.

Just got offed, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

but don't you see he was always the caretaker!

latebloomer, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

I'd remix this movie by using it as kindling

El Tomboto, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:18 (twelve years ago) link

I was with Morbz re: this being Kubrick's worst movie but then I remembered Eyes Wide Shut

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:18 (twelve years ago) link

only scary part is the very end, with the boy being chased through the maze

Love the rest of the film, but it's not very scary.

milo z, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:19 (twelve years ago) link

I think my three favorite Kubricks these days are Eyes Wide Shut, Full Metal Jack and the Shining, in that order.

milo z, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

It pains me to say this, but... the book is better.

kenan, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

Kubrick doesn't much care about the humans in his movies

Sorry kenan, this is kind of the standard superlazy comment re SK. The conversation between Danny Lloyd and Scatman shows otherwise, I think.

The dysfunctional couple in Eyes Wide Shut is much more compelling, even if it's also hard to imagine those two actually being marri... oops.

scariest moment aside from discovery of Jack's novel:

TUESDAY

Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 November 2007 20:35 (twelve years ago) link

It's true I'm hardly going to get recognized as a thinker for accusing Kubrick of being emotionally cold, but how is it not true?

kenan, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

I find Paths of Glory, Lolita, Barry Lyndon, EWS all emotionally HOT at crucial junctures. (particularly their finales)

Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:12 (twelve years ago) link

yeah man paths of glory alone kinda disproves yr theory kenan

Just got offed, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

and I think the moment where Nicholson awakes crying from his dream of killing Danny is one of the few jolts of interest coming from that character, Big Bad Wolf shtick aside (also, good drooling).

Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

Kubrick is certainly misanthropic about certain types of people, but that makes him no more of a cold bastard than thousands of artistic types

El Tomboto, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:16 (twelve years ago) link

or me, for that matter, but I do not make movies.

kenan, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:18 (twelve years ago) link

Sure you don't.

Pleasant Plains, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:21 (twelve years ago) link

lol Everyone's gone to the movies, now we're alone at last.

kenan, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:22 (twelve years ago) link

Kubrick's films (for the most part) couldn't exist if he wasn't deeply interested in people - many of them don't do much but follow the characters as they move through their lives. (That's what's interesting about the Shining, and why it's a failure as a 'scary movie' - if you re-fashioned it as above into an exciting scary movie, it would be completely forgotten.)

Dr. Strangelove, The Killing and A Clockwork Orange would be the exceptions I see - and I dunno about ACO, I dislike it too much to really think about it.

milo z, Monday, 26 November 2007 21:31 (twelve years ago) link

I think my three favorite Kubricks these days are Eyes Wide Shut, Full Metal Jack and the Shining

Replace FMJ with Lyndon and that's my top 3.

Eric H., Tuesday, 27 November 2007 02:48 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

Now I'm awfully glad you asked me that, Lloyd, because I just happen to have two twenties and two tens right here in my wallet. I was afraid they were going to be there until next April. So here's what: you slip me a bottle of Bourbon, a glass and some ice. You can do that, can't you, Lloyd? You're not too busy, are you?

chaki, Friday, 18 January 2008 08:32 (twelve years ago) link

five months pass...
five months pass...

god, i love this movie :-)

Eisbär (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 16 December 2008 23:48 (eleven years ago) link

I return after a long absence and see my post is rebirth. Hey of that!
How are you EISBAR

Latham Green, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 01:31 (eleven years ago) link

hello hanle y -- i am fine! :-)

are you still puzzled about "the shining"?!?

Eisbär (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 02:19 (eleven years ago) link

Yay Scatman Crothers! Drives eight million miles in a milkfloat just to get chopped in the chest with a fire-axe!! He also has the same poster on his bedroom wall as Chef in South Park.

mark sinker is correct -- i wonder if this was deliberate, and if anyone ever thought to ask stone or parker about it?!?

Eisbär (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 02:20 (eleven years ago) link

nyah

Latham Green, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 03:08 (eleven years ago) link

Hello Hanle y.

Alba, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 09:08 (eleven years ago) link

come and play with us, hanle y ... come and play with us, forever -- and ever -- and ever

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=84Lcj1emzeo

:-)

Eisbär (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 09:28 (eleven years ago) link

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Latham Green, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 12:54 (eleven years ago) link

I used to work with a woman who, at 35, wore her hair in that exact same style. Frizzed, and then HARD combover with highly visible part.

She was creepo for many, many other reasons, too.

B.L.A.M., Wednesday, 17 December 2008 16:13 (eleven years ago) link

Hanle y Deus, back again with icemoths.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 December 2008 16:17 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

A Stephen King fan has published an 80-page version of the book which novelist Jack Torrance obsessively writes during King's The Shining, where his descent into madness is revealed when his wife discovers that his work consists of just one phrase, endlessly repeated.

And you thought Jack was crazy?

Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:08 (eleven years ago) link

To go back to the OP, where does the idea that the movie is about the revenge of dead Indian souls (and is thus political) come from? Some old Film Comment review maybe? Cuz you have to squint awful hard even to see clues that this might be the case: OMG Calumet baking powder! and shit.

Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:16 (eleven years ago) link

Umm, I think it comes from the source novel?

Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:17 (eleven years ago) link

That and San Francisco Chronicle

Eric H., Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:18 (eleven years ago) link

xpost to self: I mean, much as I love this film, I'm intrigued as to what anyone who hadn't read the book would make of the narrative because there are a lot of gaps there. That's no bad thing (indeed: the novel is probably too long by half) but there are aspects of the story that arguably become clearer if you've read King's original.

Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:19 (eleven years ago) link

That and San Francisco Chronicle

Ha! Interesting piece. Thanks for the link.

Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:23 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, okay, that SFC articule IS where it came from. I read it waaaaay back when, though (I think?) reprinted elsewhere.

Been a long time since I read the novel. Don't remember any political subtext tho...

Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:23 (eleven years ago) link

Actually, I'm starting to doubt myself now. Is the burial-ground thing really in the novel, or am I just assuming it is because of some kind of false-memory thing? Gah, I don't know if I've got a copy here or not ...

Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:25 (eleven years ago) link

(By which I mean: I've obviously read enough about the subtext elsewhere to assume that's where it came from. And it might not be at all. FUCKING DAMN, this is going to annoy me now!)

Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:26 (eleven years ago) link

This movie gets a bad rap, tho. Sure, it kinda disintegrates in the final act, but the lead-up is just riveting. And while Nicholson is way OTT, the film's emotional distance from his scenery-chewing keeps it more interesting than oppressive. It doesn't work consistently as a horror flick, but when it's on, it's ON (mostly in the 1st half). Hell, maybe it doesn't even work as a film. But it's hypnotic, great looking, and lots of fun to puzzle over. Hadn't read the novel when I first saw it, and didn't feel as though I was missing anything. It felt like a complete story: family moves to creepy hotel, dad is haunted and goes crazy (or vice-versa), bad shit ensues. Everything else is really just filigree anyway.

Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:29 (eleven years ago) link

Oh, yeh: I wouldn't disagree that the film works perfectly on its own (and I'd far rather watch it than read the book again). But there are elements -- eg Tony -- that are explained at length (oh, and what length) in the book and merely exist on their own terms in the film.

I've had a quick look for my copy of the book and can't find it. I've also had a quick Google about and still can't work out if I'm talking shit or not. Anyone care to enlighten me: is the burial ground even mentioned in the book? (If not: wow, that's some serious conflation.)

Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:33 (eleven years ago) link

As far as I can remember, Grim, the Indian ghosts thing isn't in the novel. In the novel, the spirit that possesses the hotel is an instance of a specific kind of "ancient evil" that feeds on/generates human misery (Garmonbozia!) and attaches itself to a place. Vaguely recall that it is said to have existed since before the time of white settlement. Not sure about that. Deal is that Scatman and the kid belong to an equally ancient guild of gifted beings that exists to combat this sort of evil presence.

Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:34 (eleven years ago) link

But, judging from yr last post, I guess you no all that...

Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:34 (eleven years ago) link

Hah, yes, but there's a big difference between what one knows and what one recalls, as I'm proving here. Thanks, dude: sorry for being so wildly off-the-mark above!

Special topics: Disco, The Common Market (grimly fiendish), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 18:40 (eleven years ago) link

i actually really like that this movie is mildly incoherent....over-explaining diminishes the horror. besides i never really took it for any sort of allegory but a quite literal depiction of a jackass chafing against the demands of his wife and kid!

ryan, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 19:18 (eleven years ago) link

ie, the "artist" needing to cut all ethical and moral ties to those around them.

ryan, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 19:18 (eleven years ago) link

and vice-versa?

Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 19:19 (eleven years ago) link

that works!

ryan, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 19:20 (eleven years ago) link

you know, if it weren't for A Clockwork Orange, you could say kubrick was on some kind of anti-exposition warpath. except for the pool table scene in EWS, which almost plays as a parody of exposition.

ryan, Wednesday, 7 January 2009 19:22 (eleven years ago) link

Certainly true of The Shining, Barry Lyndon, 2001.

Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Wednesday, 7 January 2009 19:25 (eleven years ago) link

The Indian Burial Ground thing isn't in the novel. I remember because I watched the movie before I was in the book, & I was on the lookout for it. But there is one in Pet Sematary (the book); it's suggested that some kind of Indian-ish burial ground thing is responsible for the patch of groud behind the Pet Sematary being able to bring bodies back to life (I think there's, like, a Wendigo that hangs out there)? So maybe that's where the idea came from. There might be lots of King novels with "Indian burial ground" motif; in fact there probably are.

I had some thoughts on why it's a good addition to the film, but I'm not feeling eloquent enough to articulate them. Maybe tomorrow...

What a Mess (Gudrun Brangwen), Thursday, 8 January 2009 04:07 (eleven years ago) link

How is Barry Lyndon anti-exposition? Between the narrator and the title cards, he literally tells you in writing of nearly every single thing that is going to happen in the film.

^likes tilt-a-whirls (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 8 January 2009 14:06 (eleven years ago) link

One of them, actually stole a pack of match-ES, and tried to
burn it down. But I corrrrrected them.

Joe, Thursday, 8 January 2009 16:42 (eleven years ago) link

How is Barry Lyndon anti-exposition? Between the narrator and the title cards, he literally tells you in writing of nearly every single thing that is going to happen in the film.

― Pancakes Hackman

Eeks. With regard to Barry Lyndon, I meant thematic exposition. Not only are we told what's happening, we're walked though the quotidian minutia for several hours. But, for me, the film's big quesion is: "Why does any of this matter? Why Barry Lyndon?" And on that subject, the film keeps resolutely mum. But that's just my take, and in describing Barry Lyndon as "anti-exposition", I suppose I'm using the phrase in a non-standard sense.

Calling All Creeps! (contenderizer), Thursday, 8 January 2009 18:08 (eleven years ago) link

yeah BL is almost a opaque as 2001 for me...been a long time since i've seen it tho!

ryan, Thursday, 8 January 2009 18:30 (eleven years ago) link

Ah, OK, I see where you're coming from on BL. Makes sense!

^likes tilt-a-whirls (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 8 January 2009 19:07 (eleven years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Got the blu-ray of this today and am, frankly, amazed by the quality of the transfer and how it looks in HD. Watching Vivian Kubrick's making of documentary also opened my eyes about just how much was put into getting the look of it right; I knew that the interiors were all on set in Elstree, but it's so easy to forget that when watching the film and it looks utterly like a real hotel. I certainly hadn't realised that the colossal exterior of the Overlook used in the early outdoor scenes and during the snowbound climax was all a set as well.

There's a nice bit of interview too where Nicholson is talking about the actorly obsession with methods of different kinds and the quest for "realness" and when he discussed this with Kubrick his response was "real isn't necessarily very interesting".

Bill A, Thursday, 5 February 2009 22:12 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

http://www.jayweidner.com/ShiningSecrets.html

Here's an interesting article which proves that The Shining is actually a coded message from Kubrick, where he confesses he faked the Apollo moon landing.

Tuomas, Friday, 29 October 2010 16:14 (nine years ago) link

Must watch this movie today!

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 29 October 2010 16:45 (nine years ago) link

http://www.jayweidner.com/images/IMG_0057.jpg
omg

tylerw, Friday, 29 October 2010 16:52 (nine years ago) link

Seven Apollo missions went to the moon, but only six landed. Six crates of 7-up.

tylerw, Friday, 29 October 2010 16:52 (nine years ago) link

Awesome.

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 October 2010 16:54 (nine years ago) link

http://www.jayweidner.com/images/IMG_0053.jpg

Jack, his family, and the Overlook Hotel, are trapped in the Cold, just as America was trapped in the Cold War with Russia. The stuffed bears, seen through out the film, are the Soviet Empire's symbol.

Symbolically the Bears seen through the film are also the representation of the pressure that the Russians put on the USA to get to the Moon. They had to fake the moon landings and cover up the real truth behind the flying saucer craft and machinery that the US government actually has created and employed since World War Two.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:32 (nine years ago) link

http://www.jayweidner.com/images/IMG_0066.jpg
http://www.jayweidner.com/images/IMG_0069.jpg

Danny is literally carrying a symbolic Apollo 11, on his body, via the sweater, to the Moon as he walks over to room 237. Why do I think this?

Because the average distance from the Earth to the Moon is 237,000 miles.

LOL

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:34 (nine years ago) link

i have never seen this movie, nor will i ever. im scared shitless by it.

Str8 Drapin It (chrisv2010), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:36 (nine years ago) link

overlook hallway carpeting is so badass

naked human hands and a foam rubber head (contenderizer), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:37 (nine years ago) link

The funniest thing is, I've read some "serious" analyses of The Shining that make equally broad conclusions based on minuscule details as the moon landing guy.

Tuomas, Friday, 29 October 2010 17:41 (nine years ago) link

In high school, I was once at the house of Tim Daly (of Wings fame; his son went to my school & we were in an a cappella group together). On a shelf, surrounded by dozens of other VHS cassettes, was a hand-labeled tape titled "THE SHINNING."

I always think of that when someone mentions this movie; I wonder what THE SHINNING, as a different movie, could be like, and whether it would star Tim Daly.

tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:43 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvkgKRMlp90

omar little, Friday, 29 October 2010 17:46 (nine years ago) link

Gonna use this opportunity to repost the Physical Cosmologies analysis, which is pretty convincing and a damn wonderful read!

http://www.mstrmnd.com/log/802

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:46 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGMoBo9f40I

Tub Girl Time Machine (Phil D.), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:47 (nine years ago) link

xp goddamit omar

Tub Girl Time Machine (Phil D.), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:47 (nine years ago) link

The funniest thing is, I've read some "serious" analyses of The Shining that make equally broad conclusions based on minuscule details as the moon landing guy.
yeah there's one (which i think was linked to on ILX somewhere) that was fairly convincing in some respects ... but totally batshit in others.

tylerw, Friday, 29 October 2010 17:48 (nine years ago) link

oh xpost - that's the one i'm talking about, adam. kinda fascinating.

tylerw, Friday, 29 October 2010 17:48 (nine years ago) link

The funny thing about that Tim Daly story is that his Wings co-star Steven Weber went on to star in the Stephen King-approved TV miniseries version of "The Shining."

Tub Girl Time Machine (Phil D.), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:49 (nine years ago) link

omg i never knew that -- that might explain what was on the tape, and why it was home-recorded! lol thx phil

tangelo amour (elmo argonaut), Friday, 29 October 2010 17:56 (nine years ago) link

Eyes Wide Shut was released on July 16 th 1999.

Stanley Kubrick insisted in his contract that this be the date of the release.

July 16 th 1999 is exactly 30 years to the day that Apollo 11 was launched.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 29 October 2010 18:04 (nine years ago) link

I present this tidbit of an interpretation to show not only that Stanley Kubrick directed the Apollo moon landings but also to ask NASA to release all of Kubrick's Apollo moon landing footage in their original, glorious 70 mm film.

would he settle for a blu ray release

mr. mandelbrot flythrough vertigo, esq. (Edward III), Friday, 29 October 2010 18:09 (nine years ago) link

i have never seen this movie, nor will i ever. im scared shitless by it.

That fits, as it scares no one shitless while they are watching it.

kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 30 October 2010 02:27 (nine years ago) link

I have seen the shining scare plenty of ppl oh wait it's dr morbius

mr. mandelbrot flythrough vertigo, esq. (Edward III), Saturday, 30 October 2010 03:02 (nine years ago) link

thank you for this link, tuomas!

the waning trend (latebloomer), Saturday, 30 October 2010 03:07 (nine years ago) link

This explains why the previous "caretaker" was so pressured and stressed that he had to kill his TWIN daughters.

Why?
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Because the previous NASA missions before Apollo were named Gemini!

Hugo Stiglitz, a rich young man in search of romance & adventure (Pillbox), Saturday, 30 October 2010 03:47 (nine years ago) link

Here's another site with an incredibly complex analysis based on tiny details in the movie. For example, according to the site a commentary on the genocide of Native Americans is hidden in the food cans you can see on the background in the storage room scenes.

I'm not saying these analyses are invalid, it's perfectly possible Kubrick meant to hide those messages in the movie. If that's true though, it begs the question: if you want to make a statement on American history, why the hell hide it in cryptic background items most viewers are not even gonna notice?

Tuomas, Monday, 1 November 2010 10:47 (nine years ago) link

Because Kubrick had OCD resulting in an extreme attention to detail in his movies?

Les centimètres énigmatiques (snoball), Monday, 1 November 2010 10:51 (nine years ago) link

nine months pass...

Kubrick's daughter's documentary :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4745727919325920852

calstars, Friday, 12 August 2011 01:12 (nine years ago) link

five months pass...

Here's another page with some more links to interpretation essays:

http://theshining.20m.com/

calstars, Sunday, 5 February 2012 16:57 (eight years ago) link

My favorite detail is how the carpeting changes after the ball is rolled toward Danny while he plays with his toys down the hall from Room 237:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2567539/shining_danny1.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2567539/shining_danny2.jpg

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2567539/shining_danny3.jpg

calstars, Sunday, 5 February 2012 17:06 (eight years ago) link

a MOMENTARY LOSS of MUSSSSSSSCULAR COORDINATION! a few extra foot-pounds of energy per second per SECOND!

the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Sunday, 5 February 2012 19:02 (eight years ago) link

Something must be in the air!

http://io9.com/5882985/watch-this-insane-breakdown-of-stanley-kubricks-hidden-narrative-in-the-shining

Using unpublished info from the Stanley Kubrick Archives as a key source, Kubrick's Gold Story is a film analysis that uncovers economic themes encoded in The Shining with regard to gold vs fiat monetary systems.

You got to ro-o-oll me and call me the tumblr whites (Phil D.), Tuesday, 7 February 2012 17:26 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Strange, I remember 1980 audience laughing at most of the stuff the guy is surprised about here.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/2012/i-saw-the-last-showing-of-the-warner-bros-35mm-print-of-the-shining/

And though I've never come around to liking this film, it's a shame there are going to be even more "last 35mm screenings."

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 March 2012 19:11 (eight years ago) link

guess many of the Shining lovers here have never seen it in 35mm

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 March 2012 03:54 (eight years ago) link

O HAI

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/4530/shinning.jpg

<3 this movie so much

Jurgis Rudkus // Dick Butkus (Pillbox), Friday, 2 March 2012 04:23 (eight years ago) link

Every time I see that screencap I mistake the guy on the right for George Bush Sr.

cashmere tears-soaker (Abbbottt), Friday, 2 March 2012 04:24 (eight years ago) link

guess many of the Shining lovers here have never seen it in 35mm

35mm or no, I would love a chance just to see this on the big screen at all - same goes for pretty much all Kubrick, I suppose, but esp. this & 2001. The only one I was around to catch in its original theatrical run was Eyes Wide Shut (which I actually rather like, but still..)

Jurgis Rudkus // Dick Butkus (Pillbox), Friday, 2 March 2012 04:27 (eight years ago) link

Every time I see that screencap I mistake the guy on the right for George Bush Sr.

that would go a long ways in understanding why Dubya turned out the way he did ...

morbz will sneer but the only Kubrick i've seen on the big screen is barry lyndon (it was worth it of course).

kurwa mać (Polish for "long life") (Eisbaer), Friday, 2 March 2012 04:31 (eight years ago) link

just remembered that I caught a screening of Dr. Strangelove back in lolcollege. My first time seeing it!

Jurgis Rudkus // Dick Butkus (Pillbox), Friday, 2 March 2012 04:34 (eight years ago) link

I saw it in 35mm but was 12 years old and don't really remember much about the screening itself due to having been terrified. Have seen it a dozen times on DVD and Blu-Ray since. I've seen 2001 in 70mm at the AFI, Lolita in 35mm at the Cleveland Cinematheque, and Eyes Wide Shut in its theatrical run.

Flagpost Sitta (Phil D.), Friday, 2 March 2012 11:22 (eight years ago) link

The DVD/Blu-Ray of the shining still only contains the theatrical print, rather than the longer television version, which i don't think has ever been made available to purchase - just as the original, longer theatrical cut of 2001 remains MIA.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 2 March 2012 11:25 (eight years ago) link

The DVD/Blu-Ray of the shining still only contains the theatrical print, rather than the longer television version

No, this "longer television version" was the original theatrical release! Save for the penultimate scene of Barry Nelson visiting Shelley Duvall in the hospital, which I saw on opening night but was cut by Kubrick after a few days and has never been seen again. THEN he further cut it AGAIN from 144 minutes to 113 after MONTHS. I saw this version once and it's total hash from my POV.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081505/alternateversions

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 March 2012 12:30 (eight years ago) link

OK, rereading Ward's post I don't know what the difference is, if any between "the longer television version" and "the original, longer theatrical cut" is. I don't think it was SK's practice to re-edit for TV (aside from the violence/nudity in The Shining for broadcast censorship).

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 March 2012 12:37 (eight years ago) link

ahh, looking at the IMDB entry, it seems that the "longer television version" i know (from watching it on britishes tv) is, in fact, the original long theatrical cut (minus that final scene.) i'm p sure, tho, that it's the shorter 'European version' that's on the DVD and Blu-Ray in the UK, thoguh again, it appears the american dvd/blu ray is the longer version.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 2 March 2012 12:48 (eight years ago) link

so i guess i have to buy the region 1 dvd to get the longer cut

btw, did anything ever come of atom egoyan's plan to make an opera based on the film of the shining?

Ward Fowler, Friday, 2 March 2012 12:49 (eight years ago) link

Strange, I remember 1980 audience laughing at most of the stuff the guy is surprised about here.

http://thoughtcatalog.com/2012/i-saw-the-last-showing-of-the-warner-bros-35mm-print-of-the-shining/

And though I've never come around to liking this film, it's a shame there are going to be even more "last 35mm screenings."

― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, March 1, 2012 2:11 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

ah shit, i had no idea that was the last ever showing of the 35mm print. i was planning on going too!

RudolfHitlerFtw (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 2 March 2012 14:00 (eight years ago) link

barry lyndon in 35mm is some kind of wonderful. gorgeous!

flagp∞st (dayo), Friday, 2 March 2012 14:03 (eight years ago) link

I can only imagine!

Seeing 2001 in 70mm was like one of the greatest things that's ever happened to me. Awe-inspiring in the most literal sense of the phrase.

Flagpost Sitta (Phil D.), Friday, 2 March 2012 14:25 (eight years ago) link

So is WB going to pull ALL celluloid prints of Kubrick's films from theaters now? The Film Forum here in NY is showing Digital Cinema Package editions of 2001, Strangelove and The Shining this week as a way to ease Film Catholics into the New Era.

Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 March 2012 15:05 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/IhOqq.jpg

Chris S, Friday, 2 March 2012 17:53 (eight years ago) link

haha

pplains, Friday, 2 March 2012 17:58 (eight years ago) link

i saw the shining in 35mm i guess a dozen years ago. it was a fantastic experience.

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 2 March 2012 18:15 (eight years ago) link

still keep meaning to make it to toronto to see 2001 in 70mm whenever the lightbox shows it next.

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 2 March 2012 18:15 (eight years ago) link

monkeys and the typewriter got me.

pplains, Wednesday, 7 March 2012 21:44 (eight years ago) link

this movie is such a total goddamn masterpiece. for some unfathomable reason my parents let me see it when i was like 11, when yes i was wimpy enough to be seriously creeped out by the weird little girls but more importantly 11 enough to be bone-level shaken by STOP SWINGING THE BAT. GIVE ME THE BAT, WENDY. and by all the abusive-father fear in general (nb my father was upstanding but sometimes there were years my parents fought a lot and probably any kid who's ever seen his dad yell at his mom can queasily jive w/ this angle of the shining).

when i loved it as a kid/teenager it was for the situation, right, the ISOLATION and wendy's POWERLESSNESS and UNCERTAINTY -- it's neat how, even though wendy is an audience surrogate in the sense that she's the one who's probably subjected to the most terror throughout (the kid is big too sure but wendy has a whole layer of maternal fear for him as well as for herself, and plus she gets satanically yelled at by jack nicholson, reads his book, etc.) she's the only one in this haunted house movie who doesn't see any ghosts until the last ten minutes. i remember scoffing at the school that claims native-american-genocide overtones, but those are really there, honestly. and not just in secret-code clues in the pantry (lolest thing i noticed re: the pantry on this viewing was the little stack of snacks jack puts together after he's been locked in there, yelled GO CHECK IT OUT! HEHEHEHEEHEHEHEHE, etc.,: packet of oreos and some peanut butter. they should have put him in the meat locker scatman crothers demonstrates at the beginning and had him just tear into a raw ham.) jack's a blue-collar white guy with cultured aspirations who's feeling humiliated economically (SHOVELING OUT DRIVEWAYS, WORK IN A CAR WASH -- ANY OF THAT APPEAL TO YOU? -- this important+telling line comes right after probably the pinnacle of the OTT Jack LOLs, which is when he says IT IS JUST SO TYPICAL OF YOU TO START THIS UP NOW... JUST WHEN I AM REALLY IN TO MY WORK), and furthermore resents that what he at least hopes was an accident with his son's arm a few years ago has made it necessary for him to stop drinking and be really contrite and feel further unmanned, and is seduced on one level by an Evil Supernatural Power, in the form of a bunch of well-dressed whites having a perpetual power-drenched cocktail party in a luxury hotel built on a conquered graveyard (nice touch: "i believe they actually had to fend off a few indian attacks while they were building it!"); and on another level just by the ability, up there in the snow, to really show his family who's boss. he gets drunk on this nasty fantasy of privilege that's built on bones, and when the hotel needs to spur him on it suggests to him that he's not Man enough to do his job and that his son feels safer around an n-word than around his father. all that stuff's there even tho it's secondary; it's good reinforcement around the domestic psychodrama.

<3 the performances across the board, too. duvall is a total martyr; she spends the entire second half of the movie working in discrete, successive shades of panic. (she turns out to be super competent and nervy, but how sad is the part where she's had the presence of mind to bring the baseball bat downstairs but is so scared she can't remember what she wants to talk to her husband about?) jack reverts to his roger corman days, but without restraint; it's hilarious. (although morbz otm upthread singling out for warmth/depth the scene where he wakes from his nightmare, the last time in the movie he's halfway lucid.) finally, scatman crothers gets "larry, just between you and me, we got a very serious problem with the people taking care of the place. they turned out to be completely unreliable assholes."

the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 15 March 2012 23:08 (eight years ago) link

anyway, rank this wherever you like amongst kubrick as long as it's above a clockwork orange.

the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 15 March 2012 23:14 (eight years ago) link

I said on some other thread that I think Duvall's amazing in the second half. She's even more impressive when I try to imagine what it must have been like to work with Kubrick on one side and Nicholson on the other--not a lot of oxygen in the room.

clemenza, Thursday, 15 March 2012 23:29 (eight years ago) link

booming post, dlh

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 15 March 2012 23:54 (eight years ago) link

and is seduced on one level by an Evil Supernatural Power, in the form of a bunch of well-dressed whites having a perpetual power-drenched cocktail party in a luxury hotel built on a conquered graveyard

oh yes this is a great observation. and actually jibes pretty neatly with something I've been pondering about Eyes Wide Shut lately...there's this almost Pynchonian "them" at work in Kubrick's movies...

ryan, Friday, 16 March 2012 01:05 (eight years ago) link

and is seduced on one level by an Evil Supernatural Power, in the form of a bunch of well-dressed whites having a perpetual power-drenched cocktail party in a luxury hotel built on a conquered graveyard

yeah, this is reinforced when grady-the-waiter, in the washroom, drops the n bomb in front of jack and nicholson repeats it immediately w/out pause or distaste

also, looking at imdb quotes from the movie, this kinda leaps out in light of dlh's great post:

[Past guests at the Overlook Hotel]
Stuart Ullman: Four presidents, movie stars...
Wendy Torrance: Royalty?
Stuart Ullman: All the best people.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 16 March 2012 09:00 (eight years ago) link

haha yeah. roommate i was watching with this time (who like me had seen it a million times) said he doesn't trust stuart ullman: "he has to know what's up, right?" (also, as danny escaped from the hedge maze, a well-timed "this kid's gonna be fucked UP".)

the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Friday, 16 March 2012 11:59 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

Playgirl signifier?

http://www.theoverlookhotel.com/post/21997760134/on-closing-day-in-the-shining-when-jack-is

when grady-the-waiter, in the washroom, drops the n bomb in front of jack and nicholson repeats it immediately w/out pause or distaste

You're mad. He repeats it with a sort of confusion and/or astonishment.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 May 2012 04:04 (eight years ago) link

iirc the confusion is over the event/person mentioned by grady, rather than by the use of a racial slur (i mean, if jack is really astonished that someone would use the word, why would he repeat it?)

pat rice memorial barbecue (Ward Fowler), Friday, 11 May 2012 07:44 (eight years ago) link

thinking on this a little more, the whole visual strategy of the shining is based around symmetry and doubling, and grady-waiter and jack-torrance are similarly twinned, so it makes sense for them to be alike' - they are both the caretaker, after all. in his brilliant bfi book on eyes wide shut, michel chion pays a lot of attention to the way that the characters mirror each others' gestures, glances, actions, words etc, and some of that is also obv in play in this scene, too.

pat rice memorial barbecue (Ward Fowler), Friday, 11 May 2012 09:28 (eight years ago) link

My memory is that Jack says "A n****r?" as a QUESTION, is that accurate? In a 'who/what am I dealing with here' sense.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Friday, 11 May 2012 11:26 (eight years ago) link

yes, it's phrased as a question. i guess the ambiguity lies in whether he's questioning who exactly that n***** is and what they're up to and how they can be 'removed' from the game (tho, i admit, he has met the scatman already), or whether he's questioning and expressing distaste at grady's use of the word itself: i don't think we can really resolve it beyond that (lol ambiguous text). In that scene, I'm sure that nicholson is playing someone eager to please grady, to be on the 'same side' as the ghosts and madmen (and, by implication, creative freedom/inspiration), rather than on the side of scatman crowthers and his own family (who of course represent conformity, and the stullifying restrictions of domesticated life).

pat rice memorial barbecue (Ward Fowler), Friday, 11 May 2012 11:47 (eight years ago) link

fyi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vulNlhUI6m0

piscesx, Friday, 11 May 2012 11:48 (eight years ago) link

is that a youtube link to the scene in question, pisces (unfortunately youtube is blocked here at work)?

pat rice memorial barbecue (Ward Fowler), Friday, 11 May 2012 11:50 (eight years ago) link

xpost aye

piscesx, Friday, 11 May 2012 13:00 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

Scatman!

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 June 2012 15:18 (eight years ago) link

is there a blog devoted to scatman's record collection in this scene? i bet there is.

tylerw, Monday, 25 June 2012 15:40 (eight years ago) link

There is a brief interview of the woman who posed for the pairings on the web somewhere. Probably theoverlookhotel.com

calstars, Tuesday, 26 June 2012 02:03 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9c3zhMfqg1qzj6szo1_500.jpg

Eric H., Saturday, 1 September 2012 00:11 (eight years ago) link

is that someone famous?

one dis leads to another (ian), Saturday, 1 September 2012 02:30 (eight years ago) link

whoever he is I hope someone stopped to ask him where he got his tshirt

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 1 September 2012 02:44 (eight years ago) link

Set design in those Scatman photos reminds me of Royal Tenanbaums. I think the Shining was super influential on that movie. 70s carpet and all.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 2 September 2012 05:33 (eight years ago) link

Crazy old lady in the bathtub still freaks me the fuck out.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 2 September 2012 05:38 (eight years ago) link

In his entry on The Shining in his book 'Have You Seen...?', David Thomson writes:

"There is a magnificent opening where the hotel manager (Barry Nelson} tells Jack Torrance (Jack Nicholson) how the place needs a caretaker in winter. It's a case of one bullshitter shitting another, and it's so cozy it gives you the creeps. And there you are listening to this guff about the magnificent, comprehensively appointed hotel which is useless, alas, in winter. Why? Because it snows! DID NO ONE EVER TELL THEM ABOUT SKIING?"

Thomson didn't listen to the guff hard enough, because in fact the manager does offer an explanation about the lack of winter sports - something to do with the location of the hotel, and the impossibility of clearing the snow from the approach road (although, as we see in the film, a number of people are able to reach the hotel in the depths of winter.)

But - in the same scene, the manager says that the Grady murders happened in 1970. Now assuming that this meeting is happening 'now' (eg round about 1978 or so), what happened in the intervening years - were there other caretakers, and why did they not go mad, too?

Also - the manager tells Torrance that his main duties will be heating different parts of the hotel and carrying out minor repairs (we never see Jack doing any of the latter, in the film.} So - why hire a former teacher to do this - surely there are more suitable handymen/caretakers out there? The manager makes vague reference to a prior meeting between Torrance and "our people in Denver" - are they recruiters, the corporate owners? And would they not check up on Jack at some point, see how he's performing, holding up?

Or - is this whole meeting a dream, a hallucination? A rationalisation of Jack's disordered mind after the fact?

Ward Fowler, Friday, 14 September 2012 22:56 (eight years ago) link

although, as we see in the film, a number of people are able to reach the hotel in the depths of winter.)

One person, and he has to abandon the roads and get a Sno-Cat to get there.

were there other caretakers, and why did they not go mad, too?

Because neither they nor their family members Shined.

a shark with a rippling six pack (Phil D.), Friday, 14 September 2012 22:59 (eight years ago) link

So - why hire a former teacher to do this - surely there are more suitable handymen/caretakers out there?

Because they aren't paying them much at all and they don't need anyone to actually do much other than make sure the place doesn't fall over?

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Friday, 14 September 2012 23:03 (eight years ago) link

did thomson ever write anything longer on this movie?

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 14 September 2012 23:04 (eight years ago) link

were there other caretakers, and why did they not go mad, too?

maybe they did, who knows? the film, wisely, doesn't give us much information about the larger context in which jack's employment occurs.

tbh, i get annoyed by readings that attribute seemingly actual narrative events, on thin evidence, to the perceptions (or rationalizations) of a disordered mind. like there always has to be a secret story behind what we see on the surface. the shining certainly invites those sorts of questions, but it doesn't seem to reward them.

i know your nuts hurt! who's laughing? (contenderizer), Friday, 14 September 2012 23:12 (eight years ago) link

J.D. afaik the 'Have You Seen...' entry is his longest pass on it - it's the one Kubrick he seems to like (and he LIKES IT A LOT). I've been dipping into the book recently, and really enjoying it - I think a former ilxor with a marked antipathy towards Thomson put me off in the past, but many of the entries are entertaining and provocative (i like the one on Close Up, where he suggests that the film has been made by a Kiarostami imposter, or the Stalker entry, where he writes "It may be that the Room - if you ever get there - is an infinte, if dank, enclosure in which an uncertain number of strangers are watching the works of Andrei Tarkovsky.")

Thanks for the correction, Phil - I thought possibly the cops got there in the end, too, and discover Jack's frozen body, but obviously not.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 14 September 2012 23:17 (eight years ago) link

i've gone back and forth a lot on DT. i love his style but find his critical reasoning flawed a lot of the time -- the biographical dictionary in particular includes several entries (chaplin, capra, satyajit ray) that are as appallingly badly argued as any film writing i've ever read. but he's never boring and, as far as i can tell, almost never repeats himself -- which is astonishing considering how much he writes.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 15 September 2012 02:00 (eight years ago) link

one month passes...

linked to from a klosterman article about 'Room 237' doc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMEq6IjgR04&feature=player_embedded

holy shit i believe

Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:02 (seven years ago) link

going to see this doc on saturday!

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:12 (seven years ago) link

i think i really want to see it now plz tell me how it is

Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:19 (seven years ago) link

Aww...faked Apollo moon landing? GTFO. Wish I'd read the actual description before I wasted several minutes on that.

But the real doc sounds intersting! I just finished reading the book for the first time and I was struck by how vastly different it was from the film.

Burgled Hams (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:34 (seven years ago) link

no way faked apollo moon landing makes it so much better. the scene w/ danny + the sweater is amazing

Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:37 (seven years ago) link

speaking srsly, whatever it really "means," the scene where danny stands up with the rocket on his sweater is really tremendous and the narrator is clearly a very clever reader + watcher of films (even if he also lol believes the moon landing was faked)

Mordy, Wednesday, 17 October 2012 23:44 (seven years ago) link

i dont really know why, but The Shining and Eyes Wide Shut really seem closely linked to me. perhaps the claustrophobia, "all the best people" (such an amazing and evocative phrase used to such chilling effect), the hallways and doors and people just saying banal things loaded with such import--"this is totally meaningful and important and you need to pay attention but nah it's just what it's pretending to be..."

Two of my favorite movies.

ryan, Thursday, 18 October 2012 00:09 (seven years ago) link

totally cosign re "all the best people"

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 18 October 2012 00:35 (seven years ago) link

Room 237 showing in Brooklyn Friday night.

http://www.bam.org/film/2012/room-237

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 15:13 (seven years ago) link

Oh! Did I forget to say that I saw this? I saw this. It was entertaining. Footage was fun, interviews were enlightening, will never look at baking soda the same way.

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 15:15 (seven years ago) link

Oh man I really want to see this but I'm not going to travel up to NY for a showing. Maybe they'll bring it to Philly?

Mordy, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 15:18 (seven years ago) link

IFC Films is releasing (next year?), I'm sure it will play all the big cities.

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 15:23 (seven years ago) link

So, not Cleveland.

Here's hoping for a future Netflix availability, unless one of y'all wants to cameraphone it for me.

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 15:24 (seven years ago) link

I expect this to win plurality of crix awards' doc citations this year.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 15:28 (seven years ago) link

i still can't understand why they don't rush broad release of small films like this. i get something like Avatar, which benefits from being scene in 3D in an IMAX screen and is expected to make a fortune on screens, you don't want to rush to release on DVD/online. but a tiny doc w/ very limited niche appeal like this they should just sell on their website ASAP. not 2 years later.

Mordy, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 15:31 (seven years ago) link

Usually 'social significance' trumps cinemania, so I have my doubts. And the IFC page sez 2013. xp

Guessing they're avoiding the awards-bait crush and you'll see this around March.

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 15:35 (seven years ago) link

Maybe not a good idea to sell what is basically a re-edited version of The Shining with narration on top of it. I imagine web critics get lots of copyright notices for things like 1-second long Back to the Future clips, let alone 30-45 full minutes of movie footage.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 15:36 (seven years ago) link

The superimposed image part was probably my favorite now that I think about it.

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 15:41 (seven years ago) link

Usually 'social significance' trumps cinemania, so I have my doubts. And the IFC page sez 2013. xp

Don't NY crix use NYFF showings for eligibility? A lot of other groups just follow in lockstep after that.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 15:46 (seven years ago) link

Nope. Has to have a run of a week, I think. The NY Times doesn't even run actual reviews of NYFF films anymore til they open commercially.

R237 opens in the UK this Friday, apparently.

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 15:48 (seven years ago) link

(That last Jafar Panahi 'smuggled' film played NYFF 2011, but opened at Film Forum last spring, so it counts for all the local prizes this year.)

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 15:50 (seven years ago) link

xpost
Yep, am seeing it on Sunday

Think the docu that's going to get all the plaudits here in the UK is The Imposter, which again, may not have opened in the US yet?

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 15:51 (seven years ago) link

I actually haven't been on the pulse of docs at all this year. Whatever emerges from the pack has to be better than The Bully Project.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 15:53 (seven years ago) link

well, there's The Central Park Five.... and so the doc/essay conundrum again.

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 16:16 (seven years ago) link

Which ACT UP doc is better?

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 16:19 (seven years ago) link

I haven't seen any of them (aside from a partial rough cut last year), but How to Survive a Plague is getting the best distribution/ reviews. There's also Kirby Dick's feature about rape in the military.

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 16:20 (seven years ago) link

shit, just tried to get tickets online for Room 237 at BAM...unsuccessful,guess it's sold out

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 16:37 (seven years ago) link

r237 rules

Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 16:49 (seven years ago) link

There must be alot of people that never went to alt.movies.kubrick.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 16:49 (seven years ago) link

Doesn't seem like social relevance matters much these days for docs -- The Interrupters was basically ignored at awards time iirc? This poor movie doesn't have a chance ;_;

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 17:02 (seven years ago) link

well of the last 6 Oscar-winning docs, 4 were "issue" films: climate change, CIA torture, dolphin hunting, Inside Job. The other two were about high-school football and Philippe Petit.

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 17:15 (seven years ago) link

anyhow, this film isn't really a doc?

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 17:17 (seven years ago) link

Well, but neither are you.

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 17:33 (seven years ago) link

what, is it circulating around on alt.movies.kubrick?

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:27 (seven years ago) link

I think that was an intended jape re familiar theories.

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:29 (seven years ago) link

oh, ok. thks, morbius

Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 19:31 (seven years ago) link

The solstice of 1977 has special alignment with the symbolic conflict of The Shining for in 1977, as the December days get shorter and shorter, the moon gets fuller and fuller, climaxing in a full moon on Christmas Day. In fact on the winter solstice of 1977, the sun and moon share the sky for two hours and fourteen minutes, the exact amount of time Wendy and Danny are in the narrative of The Shining. (They enter at four minutes in and exit at two hours, eighteen minutes — The longer US cut of course.) If we assume The Shining to take place in 1977, then Jack dies sometime before daylight on December 23rd, making that first Tuesday sequence occur on December 13th. So The Shining skillfully avoids all holidays again, missing both Christmas and Hannukah, which occurred December 5th-12th in 1977.

tylerw, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 20:43 (seven years ago) link

speaking srsly, whatever it really "means," the scene where danny stands up with the rocket on his sweater is really tremendous and the narrator is clearly a very clever reader + watcher of films (even if he also lol believes the moon landing was faked)

― Mordy, Wednesday, October 17, 2012 7:44 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I feel kind of stupid for not picking up on all that America symbolism, which is so blatantly there even if it doesn't have much to do with a fake moon landing.

Knut Horowitz, Able-Bodied Investment Banker and Ladies Man (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:00 (seven years ago) link

I also picked up on something else I've never picked up on before -- a possible echo/mirror of Dr. Zhivago (writer exiled to cavernous house in snowy winter) which I only thought of because he brought up the cold war and russia. But maybe it's a stretch.

Knut Horowitz, Able-Bodied Investment Banker and Ladies Man (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:03 (seven years ago) link

What does user sexydancer think of this docu?

(Alternate question was user sexydancer involved with this docu?)

Miss Anus Regrets (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:10 (seven years ago) link

so many "docs" in this thread!

*farts*

Neutral Coliseums (Matt P), Wednesday, 24 October 2012 21:12 (seven years ago) link

Misha gif! I went to school with him.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 22:55 (seven years ago) link

(Alternate question was user sexydancer involved with this docu?)

I think so, yeah. Or at least posts about it on facebook a lot.

He put on The Shining Forwards and Backwards in Brooklyn: http://kdk12.tumblr.com/post/4879566957/the-shining-forwards-and-backwards

dmr, Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:29 (seven years ago) link

he 'pears innit

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:29 (seven years ago) link

That's what I thought, yeah.

As for which doc will get critical attention at year-end -- Searching for Sugarman? Haven't seen but I want to. Got enough buzz that it got Rodriguez on Letterman at least.

dmr, Thursday, 25 October 2012 17:33 (seven years ago) link

the backwards/forwards segments in Room 237 were probably my favorites

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Thursday, 25 October 2012 20:19 (seven years ago) link

I dunno what happened to your order, Iago, but I just got one for BAM.

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:35 (seven years ago) link

really? something seemed funky about the pay process while it was happening...i'll try again. thanks for leting me know, morbius!

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:48 (seven years ago) link

done! see you there, morbius! and thanks again

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 25 October 2012 22:54 (seven years ago) link

"Kubrick's The Shining Analysis - What he wanted us to Know - The Fake Moon Landings."

this is possibly creepier than the actual movie. watching this alone at night. i'm like scared.

billstevejim, Friday, 26 October 2012 05:39 (seven years ago) link

that video is amazing because there's innumerable points where you're like "wait, what? how does that follow??" but then you just keep watching, fascinated.

ryan, Friday, 26 October 2012 05:43 (seven years ago) link

the narrator's voice and the unnatural way he cut up his monologue sounds kinda creepy to me. he talks over certain scenes as they're progressing. i haven't seen the movie in a while, so mentally processing both the narrative and the creepy visuals is sorta double creepy bonus.

billstevejim, Friday, 26 October 2012 06:07 (seven years ago) link

what, is it circulating around on alt.movies.kubrick?

Not that I've seen

calstars, Friday, 26 October 2012 14:29 (seven years ago) link

Is this really the first yall have heard of the Kubrick Faked the Moon Landing theory?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 26 October 2012 14:35 (seven years ago) link

In NYC we've seen these on the street for about 20 years:

http://blogs.kansascity.com/crime_scene/images/toynbee_tile_13thgrand_2003.jpg

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 October 2012 14:37 (seven years ago) link

Morbs, if you get a chance you should watch this - its on Netflix streaming if you have it. It's all about those tiles and who might have been behind them.

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Friday, 26 October 2012 14:51 (seven years ago) link

Is this really the first yall have heard of the Kubrick Faked the Moon Landing theory?

no of course not, but as Mordy et al mentioned upthread there's a lot of weird stuff that narrator points out that i've never noticed. even something as obvious as Danny's sweater (which IS weird!).

ryan, Friday, 26 October 2012 16:54 (seven years ago) link

I agree with everyone who said the forwards/backwards segment was the best. Not sure i could watch the whole film that way mind

Number None, Friday, 26 October 2012 17:04 (seven years ago) link

well you only have to watch half, after that it repeats

dmr, Friday, 26 October 2012 18:32 (seven years ago) link

....but in reverse

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 26 October 2012 18:51 (seven years ago) link

"Danny is literally carrying a symbolic Apollo 13 on his body"

hm.

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Friday, 26 October 2012 18:55 (seven years ago) link

would quite like to see some 24 hr psycho style installation of the shining, only instead it would loop key two-to-ten second sections until they became interminable

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Friday, 26 October 2012 18:57 (seven years ago) link

i think maybe the shining is kubrick's best film. i didn't always feel this way, but submersing myself in this analysis is bringing me around to that opinion.

Mordy, Friday, 26 October 2012 18:58 (seven years ago) link

so far reconfirming my exactly opposite view....

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 October 2012 18:58 (seven years ago) link

can someone explain why a man in a bear suit is giving the caretaker a bj?

Knut Horowitz, Able-Bodied Investment Banker and Ladies Man (Hurting 2), Friday, 26 October 2012 19:03 (seven years ago) link

xpost Like you needed any external help.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Friday, 26 October 2012 19:03 (seven years ago) link

when a man in a bear suit and a caretaker love each other very much . . . xp

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Friday, 26 October 2012 19:05 (seven years ago) link

"Kubrick's The Shining Analysis - What he wanted us to Know - The Fake Moon Landings."

this is possibly creepier than the actual movie. watching this alone at night. i'm like scared.

― billstevejim, Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:39 PM (Yesterday)

if i just watched Room 237 is it still worth watching this?

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 26 October 2012 19:07 (seven years ago) link

I don't believe the sex of the person in the bear suit is known

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 October 2012 19:15 (seven years ago) link

what's this bit about it running backwards and forwards? I've often thought that trick would yield something interesting with EWS as well--it's based on a "mirror" like structure just as much as FMJ seems to be.

ryan, Friday, 26 October 2012 19:19 (seven years ago) link

check out the tumblr post I linked above, lots of screen shots.

dmr, Friday, 26 October 2012 19:35 (seven years ago) link

the effect of seeing the overlapped shots it in motion though is tenfold

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 26 October 2012 19:42 (seven years ago) link

yeah that part was so super cool

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Friday, 26 October 2012 19:43 (seven years ago) link

probably could've watched a lot more of it in fact!

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Friday, 26 October 2012 19:43 (seven years ago) link

the shot where the typewriter is first introduced lining up with the shot where wendy sees what Jack's been typing is amazing:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk5rqsg7Fn1qi4nyc.jpg

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 26 October 2012 19:44 (seven years ago) link

is it though

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Friday, 26 October 2012 19:51 (seven years ago) link

guys i have this great thing to tell you about pink floyd

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Friday, 26 October 2012 19:52 (seven years ago) link

Eh "film director noted for almost monomaniacal control and detail makes movie with extremely mirrored structure" not quite as unlikely as "old movie synchronizes with completely unrelated album."

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Friday, 26 October 2012 19:54 (seven years ago) link

only time ive done the oz/dark side thing was xmas 1998 when wizard of oz was re-released in theaters-- a friend of my cousin's was a manager at a 2nd run theater and invited a few dozen people to come and watch oz/darkside on the big screen after the theater closed one nite

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 26 October 2012 19:58 (seven years ago) link

this is prob one of my five favorite movies ever and definitely my favorite kubrick and that it is the kind of movie that can envelop and excite people and trail paranoiac mythology behind it like this is only further eerie proof of its greatness and i don't want to be a killjoy but how high are you guys exactly

difficult listening hour, Friday, 26 October 2012 20:24 (seven years ago) link

well

Mordy, Friday, 26 October 2012 20:27 (seven years ago) link

dlh you should really see Room237

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 26 October 2012 20:31 (seven years ago) link

oh i mean obviously i will

difficult listening hour, Friday, 26 October 2012 20:33 (seven years ago) link

that tumblr post kinda pissed me off tho

difficult listening hour, Friday, 26 October 2012 20:33 (seven years ago) link

the 217/237 change btw is because, and i only mention this cuz it has appreciably diminished my life, the timberline lodge (oregon represent!), which stands in for the overlook in the opening sequence, requested that kubrick change the room number cuz the timberline has a 217 and they didn't want people to be scared to stay in it, which is totally lame since 1) while many would no doubt be afraid to stay in it there would presumably be lots of people who would actively want to stay in it and 2) i would be one of them

difficult listening hour, Friday, 26 October 2012 20:34 (seven years ago) link

they cover that in the film. It's not true

Number None, Friday, 26 October 2012 20:34 (seven years ago) link

oh that's not true

difficult listening hour, Friday, 26 October 2012 20:35 (seven years ago) link

this headache better go away before movie time

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 October 2012 20:36 (seven years ago) link

lol to dlh

I haven't seen it yet (can't wait), but they should have had Stephen King as one of the interviews in this movie.

ryan, Friday, 26 October 2012 20:37 (seven years ago) link

yeah but Room237 isnt ~about~ the shining, it is about the shining's more unique/insightful/obsessive fans

stephen king's take on kubrick/the film is covered

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 26 October 2012 20:51 (seven years ago) link

the subliminal boner is probably the second best bit

Number None, Friday, 26 October 2012 20:54 (seven years ago) link

yeah has king come around to kubrick's shining yet? i know he hated it originally in a standard author horrified by hollywood adaptation way and he went on at length about kubrick not getting horror in danse macabre, tipping his hand by casting nicholson (do think a deniro version would've been better) but it seems like i read king giving the film its due at some point in recent years. i'm not nearly as huge a fan of the shining as most ilxors but i really really want to see this, think at this point in my life i'm way more stoked for these kind of 'deep readings' than any kind of rifftrax type thing.

balls, Friday, 26 October 2012 20:57 (seven years ago) link

No. King's taste in movies has only gotten worse with age. He'll never come around on this one.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Friday, 26 October 2012 20:59 (seven years ago) link

what's so interesting about Kubrick is that his movies are so densely symbolic but the "signified" part of that relationship always seems to lead you back into the movie itself, mobius strip like. beginning with 2001 and even more so in The Shining and EWS there's a palpable gnostic mysticism (ie, a "higher power" that is thoroughly malevolent) as if it's a negative theology of evil.

ryan, Friday, 26 October 2012 21:02 (seven years ago) link

as much of a yr dad making smalltalk by asking 'so, whattya think of that new steve winwood?' feel it had and as bizarre as it was to see appearing regularly in a widely distributed magazine those stephen king talks about whatever crap he's been consuming columns were the last thing i can recall actually reading in an entertainment weekly (beyond captions for 'beloved cast reunion' photoshoots).

balls, Friday, 26 October 2012 21:05 (seven years ago) link

the forwards/backwards tumblr did remind me of how great it is when lloyd the bartender says "your money's no good here, mr. torrance. orders from the house." i mean i guess that is kind of cheesy. don't mind.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 26 October 2012 21:05 (seven years ago) link

white man's burden, lloyd

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Friday, 26 October 2012 21:06 (seven years ago) link

"I'm the kind of man who likes to know who's buying his drinks"

ryan, Friday, 26 October 2012 21:07 (seven years ago) link

I used to think he was saying "white man's bourbon."

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Friday, 26 October 2012 21:32 (seven years ago) link

what king (and kael iirc) say about nicholson is true, i guess; he's already half-jack at the beginning even if he only goes full-jack in the middle. but i dunno i wouldn't trade some of those line readings for anything.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 26 October 2012 21:47 (seven years ago) link

a CONTRACT!

difficult listening hour, Friday, 26 October 2012 21:47 (seven years ago) link

Where is the backwards/forwards point of intersection, out of interest.

Pat Ast vs Jean Arp (MaresNest), Friday, 26 October 2012 22:51 (seven years ago) link

this:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk6v9nUqSC1qi4nyc.jpg

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Saturday, 27 October 2012 00:06 (seven years ago) link

lol
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mauwabo7hB1qi4nyc.jpg

slam dunk, Saturday, 27 October 2012 00:29 (seven years ago) link

Just saw Room 237. Didn't think it was so hot. You never seen the various interviewees so it's this interlaced series of clips from the film with long expositions of what they are seeing in the various voices (there are sections to the film, but the structure doesn't seem to have any formal logic). Intercut with cheesy period TV footage of people watching TVs withe Shining superimposed on the screen. I guess I was expecting something along the lines of Cinemania--vignette portraits of the subjects that make you care a little more about the theories, which tend to sort of come one after the other in a round of speakers the way it was done here. I don't know if it was just me, but I felt the energy deflate out of the audience after about a half an hour. An older ABC New reporter, one of the interviewees (he has the thing about Native American genocide), introduced the film and was supposed to take questions after, but no one seemed jazzed about it (full disclosure, I left before the questions).
I think maybe this conspiracy theory stuff was more interesting pre-Internet, it sort of loses its mystery when everything's available at the click of a mouse. When it was more subcultural and clandestine?

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 27 October 2012 03:43 (seven years ago) link

Or maybe it's just meant for people who haven't heard alot of this stuff already (duh)

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 27 October 2012 03:44 (seven years ago) link

OK last point, not fair to compare, but Jon Ronson's "Kubrick's Boxes" is extraordinary

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 27 October 2012 04:40 (seven years ago) link

R237 is among the films I like better than the film it's about. It did bring back some things that struck me in 1980, like the superslow dissolves.

Some valuable segments by sexydancer, incl what I would call Mapping Big Wheels.

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 27 October 2012 04:54 (seven years ago) link

(also cameo of sorts by son of sexydancer)

Bill Blakemore's Q&A was OK... He asked Kubrick through mutual acquaintances why he wanted the 120-minute international cut kept in circulation, and the answer was that SK liked it better shorter.

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 27 October 2012 13:58 (seven years ago) link

yeah that was cool when they plotted the route of the big wheel

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 27 October 2012 15:01 (seven years ago) link

Guessing they're avoiding the awards-bait crush and you'll see this around March.

― crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, October 24, 2012

Stated release date last night: March 8. I should be making the real money in indie booking.

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 27 October 2012 15:16 (seven years ago) link

SK's Boxes is wonderful. Watched it on youtube a few years ago...

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 27 October 2012 16:11 (seven years ago) link

Will definitely see Room 237 when it gets here. I saw that Jay Weidner film last summer and found it more persuasive than the rational part of me ever would have expected it to be. (Think I'll go see The Shining at a local rep Tuesday night.)

clemenza, Saturday, 27 October 2012 16:41 (seven years ago) link

I wish they would do a giant coffee table book of stuff from the Kubrick archive....I love the insane research shoots he would send people on to photograph like thousands of hotel rooms, etc.

Iago Galdston, Saturday, 27 October 2012 17:48 (seven years ago) link

I wonder what they're selling, if anything, at that museum show that's just moved to LACMA.

crazy uncle in the attic (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 27 October 2012 17:51 (seven years ago) link

there is that Napoleon book

Number None, Saturday, 27 October 2012 18:22 (seven years ago) link

brief article on the LACMA show: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/arts/culture/la-et-cm-stanley-kubrick-lacma-20121028,0,6455684.story

calstars, Saturday, 27 October 2012 18:23 (seven years ago) link

Saw it again as part of a book-talk series tonight. I probably need to retire it at this point, after about 10 viewings over the years. I was looking hard for stuff I hadn't noticed before--like straining to see which player's signature was on Wendy's baseball bat, something that probably holds the key to the entire film. (Guessing Thurman Munson.) Couldn't make it out.

(The guy in line in front of me, with his girlfriend, actually got turned away for lack of ID--a 30-year-old movie showing at a rep. And it's not like he looked obviously underage.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 02:39 (seven years ago) link

xp: Morbs, they just reprinted the Kubrick Archives book

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 02:43 (seven years ago) link

but really, the Taschen facsimile of the Napoleon book set is totally awesome regarding "research mode" Kubrick

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 02:44 (seven years ago) link

This essay (linked in one of J1m Emers0n's latest blogs) is one of the best things on the movie I've ever read, and is credited by JE to be one of the earliest essays to turn the critical tide on the movie: http://parallax-view.org/2009/10/28/kubricks-shining/

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 03:06 (seven years ago) link

That is a very good essay and this def gets at something essential:

Surely this distraction of the self is Hell, not the seamy, vicious gestures by which the lost soul expresses its violence. Jack Torrance is presented with an oneiric environment in which only he matters—and then he doesn’t matter at all. This is the final vacancy. This is the bankrupt script. This is the horror that we feel when Wendy Torrance, come to look for her husband in his writing den, at last manages to see the Overlook manuscript, the outpourings of his creativity: the endless reiteration, in myriad configurations, of the same formulaic line, the same lyric bad joke—”All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy.” Jack the dull boy becomes Jack the bright boy when, having done murder at last, he rises into a previously neutral frame: this time the vacancy is fulfilled in his wide, white, shining face.

ryan, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 03:31 (seven years ago) link

The brutalization of Danny (of which Jack had been accused) took place in the mysterious Room 237, whose vibrations had tempted the boy several times previously. We watched through his eyes as he passed through the door, but were spirited away by Kubrick’s cutting to Wendy, who in turn led us to Jack in the throes of “the worst nightmare I’ve ever had,” the gory murder of his family. Hence, though technically innocent, Jack has been formally implicated in whatever transpired in 237.

i've been liking this scene a lot lately and i think that "technically innocent ... formally implicated" thing is rly good cuz it's part of this ongoing thing w jack's relationship to his own idk capacity for violence: the dazed and hurt look on his face when wendy says "YOU did this to him!", the compulsive self-justification to lloyd about the time he broke danny's arm months ago ("it was an ACCIDENT -- coulda happened to anyone!" is the less flashy kubrick equivalent of the part in blue velvet that freaked out dfw so much, where dennis hopper, also looking more-or-less into the camera, says "you're like me"), the genuine confusion, his and ours, over whether he did do this to danny this time and whether he did it to him before and whether it makes him a bad person even though he knows or thinks he knows he's not the kind of person who hits his kid. and then there's the Other Crime that no one in the movie likes to talk about but reminders of which are totally ubiquitous and ambient and which jack and everyone in his country are technically innocent of but formally implicated in, and which is of course not the kind of thing that any of us would ever do, cross our hearts, but was just a kind of unpleasant historical accident, so haha surely we're not required to carry it around w us and be mindful of it and feel the weight of it and doubt our own character like wendy so infuriatingly expects jack to do wrt his personal sin, no, you can rest assured, mr. ullman, that's not going to happen with me.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 05:10 (seven years ago) link

oh man also this is an excellent reading of the nuance in a linereading we were arguing over upthread:

Jack repeats “A ‘nigger‘?” (a superb reading by Nicholson) in a tone that suggests he is not used to considering negritude an offense, is on the verge of disbelieving laughter, and yet is also fascinated by the new ripple of self-congratulating possibility here.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 05:18 (seven years ago) link

great post dlh

ryan, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 05:52 (seven years ago) link

Now we cut to a position directly opposite him. He drags his hands down over his face and then peers straight at us. His face is brightly—too brightly—flooded by the warm glow of a lighting strip built right into the bar; and now the fluorescence is increased by a sudden, hail-fellow-well-met grin. “Why hello, Lloyd!” And Jack slides into a well-rehearsed litany of worldweary wisdom, a soliloquy pretending to be a monologue, delivered to a composite image of all the bartenders in his past. We have been cast as “Lloyd.” The role is bizarre, but not intolerable. Then Kubrick reverse-cuts and there, where we figuratively stood, is Lloyd (Joseph Turkel).

this is almost the exact reverse of the stunning shot in 2001 where we are looking through the young spacesuited dave bowman's eyes at an old man seated at a table, facing away, who seems to hear us behind him and turns around and comes towards us - but then we realise the bowman whose eyes we were looking through is gone, was never there for the old man who is bowman.

itt: 'splaining men (ledge), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 09:50 (seven years ago) link

The thing with Danny and room 237 doesn't really make sense to me. Initially, Wendy logically realizes that Jack must have done it, and accuses him accordingly; a scene or two later, in their room, when Jack raises the possibility that Danny might be making it up, Wendy's sold on the crazy-woman-in-the-bathroom claim of Danny's. This seems like a slight disconnect to me.

The guy who gave the book said there are things that don't make sense in the film no matter how many times that you've seen it, but that that's okay with him.

clemenza, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 12:13 (seven years ago) link

It makes sense if Wendy is starting to choose sides, and is choosing to believe Danny.

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 12:22 (seven years ago) link

off to see this tonight at the cinema - i've only seen it once, probably about 10 years ago.

make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 12:35 (seven years ago) link

Not that I needed much prodding, but that Jameson article more or less confirmed for me that The Shining is Kubrick's greatest movie.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 13:04 (seven years ago) link

for me it's really a tossup for between The Shining, EWS, and Barry Lyndon (2001 just feels exhausted at this point, as great as it is).

ryan, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:20 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, those three (four) are the only contenders now.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:32 (seven years ago) link

2001 = Shining > Strangelove = Lyndon >> EWS

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:34 (seven years ago) link

Best Stanley Kubrick movie

A Clockwork Orange 	15
Eyes Wide Shut 3

Still smdh.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:37 (seven years ago) link

I like so many of them. I guess I'd put Barry Lyndon, Paths of Glory, and The Killing at the top.

clemenza, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:40 (seven years ago) link

Seeing people pick Paths of Glory as their Kubrick pick is like:

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/26600000/The-Shining-GIFs-the-shining-26648297-500-251.gif

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:49 (seven years ago) link

starting to get the impression Eric likes EWS or something

d-_-b (mh), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 18:57 (seven years ago) link

my crazy ranking that no one ever agrees with:

1. lolita
2. barry lyndon
3. strangelove
4. paths of glory
5. the shining

i basically at least like all of them, except ACO.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 19:12 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, Clockwork Orange is sort of the only capitol-K Kubrick movie I don't really like that much.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 19:15 (seven years ago) link

It's hardly unusual to consider Paths of Glory one of Kubrick's greatest. (I can't see Eric H.'s image, so maybe I'm missing the punchline.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 19:30 (seven years ago) link

strangelove forever for me

balls, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:10 (seven years ago) link

Guess I need to see Lyndon again, I thought it was mad boring LOL.

turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:16 (seven years ago) link

yeah I tried to watch it, it's v nice to look at but it sort of lulled me into intermittent napping

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:17 (seven years ago) link

it's a vice grip of fate played out against a gorgeously indifferent universe kinda boring.

ryan, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:18 (seven years ago) link

Calling a Kubrick movie boring is way rookie.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:20 (seven years ago) link

it's definitely a slow burner (tho never boring imo) with a really enormous pay-off.

ryan, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:22 (seven years ago) link

I think Barry Lyndon is hilarious, but others may disagree

d-_-b (mh), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:22 (seven years ago) link

The compositions in it are pretty crazy. There probably isn't another movie that looks like it (except other Kubesies)

turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:22 (seven years ago) link

yeah I wouldn't say it was boring. it just required more extended attentiveness than I was willing to offer, lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:25 (seven years ago) link

wasn't barry lyndon intentionally funny? i lol'd at lyndon.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:26 (seven years ago) link

I think a lot of people think it's more of a tragedy than a tragicomedy

d-_-b (mh), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:26 (seven years ago) link

definitely a lot of black humor.

ryan, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:27 (seven years ago) link

I think I was into the bleak humor enough that I laughed when the insufferable main character's insufferable kid died

d-_-b (mh), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:28 (seven years ago) link

Narrator has among the most jocose-toned delivery in any movie.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:32 (seven years ago) link

Actually, I am stifling a chuckle right now. Man, that kid had it coming.

d-_-b (mh), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:35 (seven years ago) link

the dumbest, most laffable theorist in room 237 thinks barry lyndon was boring. i present this fact without further comment.

zvookster, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:49 (seven years ago) link

http://i.minus.com/ibcP26So4cbd5M.gif

turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:52 (seven years ago) link

hahaha

zvookster, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:55 (seven years ago) link

Barry Lyndon is AWESOME. If you think it's boring you must think 2001 is a documentary of paint drying.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 20:58 (seven years ago) link

I thought that was weird too -- nothing boring about Barry Lyndon unless you find beauty boring (and if so, f u)

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:03 (seven years ago) link

i don't get how anyone could find barry lyndon boring and not hate all of kubrick's other films, too.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:04 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, there's a lot of things you don't get. Keep the change kid.

turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:05 (seven years ago) link

lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:09 (seven years ago) link

"kid"

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:10 (seven years ago) link

david thomson says barry lyndon is the first film that ever sent him to sleep.

i watched it again recently and was struck by how it's v much kubrick's version of lawrence of arabia, complete w/triumphant first half and downer second half. it no longer feels as ponderous as maybe it once did, now that 'slow cinema' is a thing; kubrick's favourite compositional trick here is to open on a small detail and then zoom out - there's a surprising amount of zoom used throughout, moreso than in any other kubrick irrc, and that alone makes it quite zippy.

the ending is p devastating

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:12 (seven years ago) link

you guys 'lol' at a lot of stuff that really doesn't merit it

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:14 (seven years ago) link

yeah but that wasn't one of them

balls, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:15 (seven years ago) link

love barry lyndon fwiw (easily fave of post-2001 kubrick) but not befuddled at idea some might find it boring or slow or that some ppl might enjoy a clockwork orange or the shining (nevermind strangelove or lolita) alot more which is to say at all. brace yrself: i've also come across ppl that call themselves scorsese fans but don't like kundun.

balls, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:21 (seven years ago) link

this has been remarked often, but it's still remarkable to how each of Kubrick's movies after 2001 was at the very a "cult" success and often widely disliked on its release, and yet every single one of them (even EWS!) has had some lasting cultural impact except Barry Lyndon--which oddly unique for Kubrick in not having any of those "broad" moments that would carry beyond the context of the film itself.

ryan, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:24 (seven years ago) link

i always chuckle when i hear sarabande. yr right -- no good "here's johnny" catchphrases in barry lyndon.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:29 (seven years ago) link

all of them except barry lyndon are awash in violence and/or sex - always a market for those (if not necessarily a mass market). clockwork orange and barry lyndon managed to get best pic nods fwiw. i'm old enough to remember when the shining was regarded as a disappointment (no oscar nods period), and that full metal jacket was a hit but overshadowed by platoon's huge success a few months prior and the subsequent glut of nam pics. ews' place in the culture seems almost removed from the actual movie and tied to what ppl knew and wrongly expected from teh marketing, i'm not sure it's been completely rehabilitated and at the same time i'm not sure it needed to be ie i think opinion is as split as it ever was though you may hear pro-ews more as they're the only ones who still care (the movie wasn't successful enough for anyone to continue to feel the need to tear it down).

balls, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:34 (seven years ago) link

Parodies and homages to the orgy scene still abound. There was a whole rap video which was basically a caricature of it. Can't remember who it was though.

ryan, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:38 (seven years ago) link

it's halloween so i'm watching this tonight, for the first time since letmecheck march. (i fucking MISSED the 35mm screening that happened here a couple weeks ago, which is just let's not even talk about that.) i'll try to keep any posts brief and calm.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:40 (seven years ago) link

My friend makes mocking references to fidelio all the time.

I haven't seen Lyndon since I was like 15 fwiw. I was holding out for long time to see a film print, but WB apparently no longer loans out film prints, which means Kubrick will basically never be projected on film again. Guess I should check out the blu-ray.

turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:40 (seven years ago) link

how would you guys rank the kubrick movies in terms of quotability?
i'm thinking full metal jacket would win, but quotability would otherwise correlate pretty highly with "best regarded"

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:40 (seven years ago) link

clockwork orange will have a rabid dormy following until our civilization is finally and mercifully reduced to ash.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:41 (seven years ago) link

strangelove is pretty high. depending on the breaks.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:41 (seven years ago) link

2001, clockwork, and full metal jacket top 3 in quotability is my guess though spartacus is a dark horse there

balls, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:43 (seven years ago) link

blu-ray of BL looked pretty good to me but I can't vouch for what the correct aspect ratio is supposed to be.

Most quotable for my generation seems to be The Shining and FMJ. Knew a lot of creeps really into FMJ actually!

ryan, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:44 (seven years ago) link

If I'm gonna get my balls blown off for a word... my word is poontang

turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:46 (seven years ago) link

clockwork isn't so much quoted as just generally referenced, or paraphrased, but i guess that's the case w a lot of "quotable" movies. helps that it has its own patois.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:46 (seven years ago) link

WB apparently no longer loans out film prints, which means Kubrick will basically never be projected on film again.

jeez i didn't know that. i saw it on film just a few years back. guess there'll be some scratchy reels loaned out from private collections tho.

what's quoted much from clockwork?

zvookster, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:48 (seven years ago) link

strangelove has "he'll see everything! he'll see the big board!" and "you can't fight in here gentlemen this is the war room" and the president/premier phone call and everything slim pickens says (personal favorite: "i reckon y'all wouldn't be human beings if you didn't have some purty strong PERSONAL FEELINS about NOOKLEAR COMBAT") and of course our precious bodily fluids. you don't hear any of those things as much as you hear I'M SORRY DAVE but there are a lot more of them.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:49 (seven years ago) link

messed up that attempted transcription of the way slim pickens says nuclear

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:50 (seven years ago) link

i bet every white house chief of staff has cracked "you can't fight in here, this is the war room!" in the actual war room, thinking he's the first person to make the reference.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:52 (seven years ago) link

"droogs" from clockwork but especially the image of his eyes being forced open.

ryan, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:53 (seven years ago) link

And the white outfits with codpieces. I am using "quotability" very broadly obv.

ryan, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:54 (seven years ago) link

"steers and queers" and "what is your general malfunction" and "me love you long time" all very popular when i was growing up

Mordy, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:55 (seven years ago) link

yeah clockwork's imagery and nadsat in general gets refed all the time but i can't actually think of any full lines from it at all besides "i was cured all right".

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:56 (seven years ago) link

david thomson says barry lyndon is the first film that ever sent him to sleep.

i watched it again recently and was struck by how it's v much kubrick's version of lawrence of arabia, complete w/triumphant first half and downer second half. it no longer feels as ponderous as maybe it once did, now that 'slow cinema' is a thing; kubrick's favourite compositional trick here is to open on a small detail and then zoom out - there's a surprising amount of zoom used throughout, moreso than in any other kubrick irrc, and that alone makes it quite zippy.

the ending is p devastating

― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:12 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark

Cool post btw. I'd probably be way more into a detailed reading of Lyndon than I would of The Shining, just because it seems to get examined less often.

turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:57 (seven years ago) link

"i'm siiiiinging in the rain..."

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:57 (seven years ago) link

Most quoted: 1) Strangelove, 2) Full Metal Jacket, 3) The Shining.

clemenza, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:58 (seven years ago) link

The secret of "Barry Lyndon" is that it reveals how Kubrick killed JFK

tylerw, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 21:59 (seven years ago) link

nobody really quotes (kubrick's) lolita but sometimes if someone asks me what i liked best about something i say "i think it was the... cherry pies"

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:01 (seven years ago) link

jeez i didn't know that. i saw it on film just a few years back. guess there'll be some scratchy reels loaned out from private collections tho.

― zvookster, Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:48 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

Yeah, and I think 20th Century Fox has gone fully digital too. It's interesting how the digital changeover was slowly building for a couple years and then surged forward in the past 18 months or so - I'd have to work pretty hard to track down a theater that projects new releases on film in this town, whereas it was much more of a mixed bag as late as early '11.

turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:01 (seven years ago) link

I quote "nurse the tooth" whenever I can.

clemenza, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:01 (seven years ago) link

turds you in atl? has plaza on ponce gone digital?

balls, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:07 (seven years ago) link

Yeah it has, but they can still project film and they still have some pretty nice 35mm repertory showings. The Tara went digital last year too.

turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:12 (seven years ago) link

i can't actually think of any full lines from it at all besides "i was cured all right".

ULTRAVIOLENCE

Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:13 (seven years ago) link

SHOOT IT UH-UP!

balls, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:15 (seven years ago) link

Ponder for a moment "balls" asking a question of "turds," OK back to the thread now.

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:15 (seven years ago) link

Anyway, HAL's lines in 2001 all pretty quotable. "I'm afraid I can't do that, Dave" shows up a lot, right?

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:16 (seven years ago) link

the most useful line from 2001, i've found, is "this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. goodbye."

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:19 (seven years ago) link

ugh just remembered "the ole in-out" which has disturbingly stuck in my head ever since.

ryan, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:20 (seven years ago) link

i always hear that in buscemi's voice.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:20 (seven years ago) link

I prefer to conduct most conversations with unpleasant people as if I'm HAL.

ryan, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:21 (seven years ago) link

i can see you're very upset about this. i really think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:22 (seven years ago) link

The oysters-and-snails line from Spartacus is sort of quotable.

clemenza, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:24 (seven years ago) link

trying to say HAL's lines out loud really drives home how good the guy who voiced him was

turds (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:27 (seven years ago) link

totally!

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:28 (seven years ago) link

there's that part in manhattan where michael murphy tells diane keaton they have to break up and diane keaton says "yeah. i could tell by the way your voice sounded over the phone. very authoritative. like the pope, or the computer in 2001."

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:29 (seven years ago) link

HAL's dying monologue is seriously upsetting, espec. the moment when he goes 'i'm a...fraid' for the last time and suddenly his personality's gone forever and he's back to reciting his first words.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:29 (seven years ago) link

bawled at that as a kid.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:30 (seven years ago) link

dave.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:30 (seven years ago) link

stop.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:30 (seven years ago) link

stop, dave.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:31 (seven years ago) link

My mind is going.

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:33 (seven years ago) link

dai-sy

dai-sy

Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:33 (seven years ago) link

I can feel it.

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:33 (seven years ago) link

ogod had forgotten my mind is going

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:34 (seven years ago) link

Yeah that is the best. Totally amazing scene.

The "this conversation can serve no purpose anymore" is probably one of the most chilling lines ever for me because it's like he retreats into this realm of pure logic--beyond the reach of any emotional appeal or suffering.

ryan, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:40 (seven years ago) link

for awhile i was convinced voice of HAL was also voice of KITT.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:43 (seven years ago) link

xp yeah and then as soon as he's existentially threatened the disconnected unconcern is replaced w bargaining like a psychopath: "i know i've made some very poor decisions recently. but i can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal."

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:49 (seven years ago) link

Yeah it's a brilliant reversal--these beseechings and denials of communication.

ryan, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:52 (seven years ago) link

people complain about stiff performance from human actors in 2001, but keir dullea really brought it in the confrontation scene.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 22:55 (seven years ago) link

Amazing Kubrick could pull all this together while faking the moon landing!

ryan, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:00 (seven years ago) link

the advent of CG set moon landing-faking technology back 50 jar-jars.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:01 (seven years ago) link

Ppl complaining about stiff acting in 2001 are engaging in epic point-missing.

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:03 (seven years ago) link

the scene where hal kills the scientists is p hard to watch too. just the timing of the cuts to his eye. and the way the "central nerv. system" graph starts to freak out in the last few seconds, once everything else has flatlined.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:05 (seven years ago) link

I totally didn't believe those apes hated those other apes

xp

Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:06 (seven years ago) link

Personal preference, but wooden acting almost always makes a difference for me--horror film, art film, 2001. Which is not a knock on Dullea; I think he's fine. I do find William Sylvester a little wooden.

clemenza, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:13 (seven years ago) link

was he heywood floyd? my problem with heywood was he just comported himself in such a way that screamed 1960s. he'd be great on madmen.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:16 (seven years ago) link

also gary lockwood's parents were like out of some betty crocker commercial.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:16 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, Heywood Floyd. Did you mean 1950s? He seems about 10 years out of date to me. Anyway, HAL more than makes up for merely adequate performances elsewhere.

clemenza, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:20 (seven years ago) link

But the acting is supposed to be wooden! Like, it's almost as if the people are supposed to be robotic, and the computer is supposed to be human!

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:21 (seven years ago) link

That's a reasonable argument. Sometimes even when I know the filmmaker achieved exactly what he/she set out to do, it still doesn't work for me on a personal level.

clemenza, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:24 (seven years ago) link

yeah the way heywood talks is very 50s, but his mannerisms are like james bond managing the beatles.

re: wooden -- the acting's not very wooden at all! they're just not overacting. but you can tell dave is majorly pissed and frightened at the end.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:27 (seven years ago) link

wooden acting is more like liam neeson absolutely not giving a shit all through phantom menace.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:30 (seven years ago) link

i like when hal says GOOD MORNING, GENTLEMEN and dave who's been in this state of totally anxious horror while committing the second and actually more gruesome act of human violence in the movie snaps his eyes up like WTF

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:32 (seven years ago) link

yeah that's a great bit of misdirection

Force Boxman (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:34 (seven years ago) link

kubrick definitely knew how to get what he wanted out of actors -- he just wanted such weird things. the languid underacting in 2001 makes for a bizarre contrast with ACO, where everyone's running around making gargoyle faces.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:35 (seven years ago) link

Maybe "wooden"'s the wrong word for why I don't like Sylvester; it's that he just seems like an actor reading lines, putting little inflections here and there that are supposed to sound casual but just sound fussy to me. With Dullea, no--I don't feel like I'm watching an actor, but rather exactly the character he's supposed to be.

It's one performance. I could name many great ones in other Kubrick films: Hayden in The Killing, a few in Paths of Glory, Mason in Lolita, etc.

clemenza, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:41 (seven years ago) link

everyone in strangelove's amazing -- weird to think that for a while kubrick wanted sellers to play everyone, including slim pickens.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:45 (seven years ago) link

scott in strangelove is like once-in-a-century good.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:54 (seven years ago) link

had to keep being pushed further over the top, apparently. like nicholson.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:54 (seven years ago) link

What's the best female performance in a Kubrick film? It comes down to Lyon, Winters, Duvall, Kidman...and maybe Berenson. Winters for laughs, otherwise I'd split on Duvall (love her when she's terrified) and Kidman.

clemenza, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:55 (seven years ago) link

Actually, Marie Winsor's great in The Killing.

clemenza, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:56 (seven years ago) link

duvall should get some kind of special endurance award.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:57 (seven years ago) link

i feel like it's her and not jack who makes things like the bat scene insanely upsetting and scary instead of just loljack.

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:58 (seven years ago) link

lyon is actually really great in lolita -- it cracks me up when she smirks at her mom with humbert and goes 'ha-cha-cha!'

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 31 October 2012 23:59 (seven years ago) link

The staircase scene is Duvall's greatest, I think--just about the best portrayal of complete helplessness and disorientation I can think of in a horror film.

clemenza, Thursday, 1 November 2012 00:01 (seven years ago) link

i'm VERY confused!

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 00:08 (seven years ago) link

Do you all think Kubrick cast Cruise and Kidman for the leads in EWS because of their total lack of (ahem) chemistry?

Iago Galdston, Thursday, 1 November 2012 00:15 (seven years ago) link

It's Kidman but you guys making a great case for Duval

ryan, Thursday, 1 November 2012 00:17 (seven years ago) link

He was a big fan of Risky Business; Kidman, I don't know, just part of the package.

clemenza, Thursday, 1 November 2012 00:17 (seven years ago) link

The Shining is on BBC America right now, btw. With loads of commercials, but still.

Hans von Jerkoffsky (WilliamC), Thursday, 1 November 2012 00:39 (seven years ago) link

Push -> shove, I'm saying Kidman. But George C. "quicker than you can say ... BLAST OFF" Scott, Peter Sellers (Lolita), and the Shelleys Winters and Duvall are also way up there.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 04:41 (seven years ago) link

You're not supposed to like Heywood Floyd. He's the villan.

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Thursday, 1 November 2012 04:41 (seven years ago) link

I;m off the webs for 36 hrs and look what I come back to.

Calling the first half of Barry Lyndon "triumphant" is just weird.

the dumbest, most laffable theorist in room 237 thinks barry lyndon was boring.

His more central point is that he thinks SK was bored, which I can't imagine.

I don't remember anything about the Kubrick Archives book, sd!

http://www.taschen.com/pages/en/catalogue/film/all/00301/facts.the_stanley_kubrick_archives.htm

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 November 2012 05:30 (seven years ago) link

man did i identify w jack this time ( :/ ), what w all those dumb questions wendy keeps asking him about his writing. "any ideas yet?" FUCK OFF

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 06:55 (seven years ago) link

YOU'RE DISTRACTING ME

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 06:55 (seven years ago) link

watched the vivian kubrick doc afterwards for the first time in years. "this is how i saw boris karloff mark his lines, and i've copied it ever since. then when i read it I BECOME A FUCKING MONSTER!"

and then all the duvall/kubrick stuff is so uncomfortable. "you've got to look desperate, shelly. you're just wasting everybody's time."

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 06:59 (seven years ago) link

Calling the first half of Barry Lyndon "triumphant" is just weird.

how so? i mean, barry has escaped the army and is a free man, and is about to seduce himself into the aristocracy - it's certainly all downhill for him from there

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 1 November 2012 07:16 (seven years ago) link

I take Barry Lyndon as a comedy. I mean the first line is 'There's no doubt that he would've made an eminent figure in his profession...' *gun goes off / one guy falls down '... had he not been killed in a duel.'

The narrator is just throwing out zingers. When Barry sleeps with the farm girl, the narrator refers to her as a castle that has been stormed many times before.

Or like, after intermission, the title card reads something like 'The fall and undoing of Barry Lyndon' *smash cut to wedding*

It's my favourite Kubrick film.

Popture, Thursday, 1 November 2012 08:23 (seven years ago) link

I read the first 50 pages of Thackeray once, the tone is more broadly comic, almost like Tom Jones.

There's never any doubt that Barry is fortune's fool in the long run.

Duvall's isn't even the best performance by a Shelley in a Kubrick film.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8yzgnSQC21r2aoj8o2_1280.jpg

Now THOSE two woulda been a great Jack & Wendy.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 November 2012 12:09 (seven years ago) link

Sure ... if you wanted to sabotage everything from the get-go.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 12:27 (seven years ago) link

well, there are those of us who think that's what the film as is does.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 November 2012 12:30 (seven years ago) link

It sabotages Stephen King's The Shining. What you're proposing would sabotage Stanley Kubrick's The Shining.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 12:33 (seven years ago) link

ok with me

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 November 2012 12:41 (seven years ago) link

My point entirely. In the meantime, I'm going to retroactively recast Edith Massey in every screwball comedy ever made.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 12:42 (seven years ago) link

You know, to make them actually funny.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 12:42 (seven years ago) link

we gotta get our Sunshine Boys revival on the boards!

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 November 2012 13:32 (seven years ago) link

More like the menopause episode of All in the Family.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 13:37 (seven years ago) link

First half of Barry Lyndon is kind of triumphant for Redmond Barry, in that he's at his peak, but he got there by being a delusional nut with no self-awareness. He'd really have been most triumphant if he'd never gone to war and was just back home screwing his cousin.

d-_-b (mh), Thursday, 1 November 2012 14:38 (seven years ago) link

How is there even a question of 'most-quoted' when you have the film that gave us "Heeere's Johnny!"

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:09 (seven years ago) link

Calling the first half of Barry Lyndon "triumphant" is just weird.

The narrator does note that Barry has finally found himself "at the pitch of prosperity"...

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:12 (seven years ago) link

because all the other quotes are also part of the culture in similar ways xpost

zvookster, Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:12 (seven years ago) link

this one always seemed pretty big too:

Wendy? Darling? Light, of my life. I'm not gonna hurt ya. You didn't let me finish my sentence. I said, I'm not gonna hurt ya. I'm just going to bash your brains in.

ryan, Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:14 (seven years ago) link

also this line has a lot of resonance with dlh's reading above: "Do you have the slightest idea what a moral and ethical principle is? Do you?"

ryan, Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:16 (seven years ago) link

Um...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbn7vkqJSU1rv24bmo1_400.jpg

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:16 (seven years ago) link

haha this entire rant is great:

"Have you ever had a SINGLE MOMENT'S THOUGHT about my responsibilities? Have you ever thought, for a single solitary moment about my responsibilities to my employers? Has it ever occurred to you that I have agreed to look after the OVERLOOK Hotel until May the FIRST. Does it MATTER TO YOU AT ALL that the OWNERS have placed their COMPLETE CONFIDENCE and TRUST in me, and that I have signed a letter of agreement, a CONTRACT, in which I have accepted that RESPONSIBILITY? Do you have the SLIGHTEST IDEA, what a MORAL AND ETHICAL PRINCIPLE IS, DO YOU? Has it ever occurred to you what would happen to my future, if I were to fail to live up to my responsibilities? Has it ever occurred to you? HAS IT?"

ryan, Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:17 (seven years ago) link

A CON-TRACT!

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:18 (seven years ago) link

psychosis of salaryman

zvookster, Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:19 (seven years ago) link

How is there even a question of 'most-quoted' when you have the film that gave us "Heeere's Johnny!"

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, November 1, 2012 11:09 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

kind of think "Heeeere's Johnny!" existed before The Shining, can't put my finger on it

d-_-b (mh), Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:21 (seven years ago) link

im actually curious though, was it a "thing" to use it as a joke like that before The Shining?

ryan, Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:23 (seven years ago) link

heh but does anybody say it since the shining who is not being jack nicholson xp

zvookster, Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:24 (seven years ago) link

yeah if "singing in the rain" was cited for ACW that one pretty clearly belongs to nicholson.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:38 (seven years ago) link

ACO i mean.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:38 (seven years ago) link

"a CON-tract!" was one of the lines i could not resist saying along w the movie last night (along w "when i am really IN to my work!!!" and the head-slap on "you're disTRACting me"). fortunately for everyone else they were asleep by then. i'm gonna have to rethink my social circle.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 16:39 (seven years ago) link

still never been sure if i like this movie. it sort of flips between ridiculous and alienating without ever being cathartic, which is a fine thing to aim for, i guess, but i don't know if i like the ways it got there

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 1 November 2012 17:34 (seven years ago) link

similar dynamic to lovecraft maybe

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 1 November 2012 17:34 (seven years ago) link

May a homicidal husband hack a hole in your home with a hatchet.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 1 November 2012 20:06 (seven years ago) link

hmm i find it a bit cathartic because (and this may be idiosyncratic) I think we are meant to empathize (not necessarily sympathize) with Jack's situation; his anxieties, what dlh called "his capacity for violence" and grappling with guilt. I mean, he's evil (or possessed by evil) but i dont think that's actually intended to distance or de-humanize him. I think that's why people kinda get a kick out of his toying with poor Wendy, that power and bullying. and then of course he's utterly inept (as an artist and even a murdered) and incapable of really following thru on his most dastardly plans. there's some pathos there, especially in that final shot of him (a sort of literal repeat of the end of BL).

ryan, Thursday, 1 November 2012 20:11 (seven years ago) link

though may that doesn't speak well of me if i dont find it alienating! what's that questionable chris rock bit? "I don't agree, but i understand."

ryan, Thursday, 1 November 2012 20:31 (seven years ago) link

How is there even a question of 'most-quoted' when you have the film that gave us "Heeere's Johnny!"

Hans & Franz from mid-period boring SNL were widely quoted too

pales before several dozen Strangelove lines

Kubrick shoulda left Duvall alone and blamed himself for the casting. Between her personal style/iconography and the way the character's written, Wendy comes off as kind of an idiot.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 November 2012 20:33 (seven years ago) link

well um yeah! jack's smarter than her by just enough to hate her for it. but she swings the bat true when it counts.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 20:42 (seven years ago) link

Morbius: I'm sure you've expanded on this elsewhere, but I gather your beef is principally with the casting?

ryan, Thursday, 1 November 2012 20:44 (seven years ago) link

+ he hates horror

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 20:45 (seven years ago) link

and yeah like i said upthread i find jack super relatable, especially when he's trying to write and wendy keeps asking kind but infuriating questions. actually think one of the themes of the movie, kind of, is the danger/self-deception of not finding jack relatable.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 20:45 (seven years ago) link

and the moon landing obv.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 20:45 (seven years ago) link

of course by "trying to write" i guess i mean "trying to think of new typographic configurations for a single sentence", so

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 20:46 (seven years ago) link

either way tho she's not helping.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 20:46 (seven years ago) link

right Jack's not really the "Other" in this scenario--or to be all grad-schooly his "othering" from himself sorta joins him to us.

ryan, Thursday, 1 November 2012 20:47 (seven years ago) link

I don't "hate" horror, but it's gotta be real good to engage me. Plus this film works best for me if you throw horror out the window.

I can't imagine re-casting would've solved all the problems I have with Kubrick's approach, ie "the first pompous haunted-house movie" as La Kael wrote.

But I had never heard the theory about Ghost Grady unlocking Jack from the storeroom that JFR floats in Room 237!

So have no stills survived from the Wendy-in-the-hospital penultimate scene that I saw 32 years ago, then was cut after opening weekend and never seen again?

Eric, you will like the Creepshow clip in Room 237.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 November 2012 20:57 (seven years ago) link

relatable. huh. jack's an asshole whose wife and child are scared of him iirc?

morbs what happens in that scene i am curious

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:02 (seven years ago) link

Hardly the first pompous haunted house movie.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:02 (seven years ago) link

Also, Kael lost interest in Kubrick one movie after he became "Kubrick," so whatev to her.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:03 (seven years ago) link

relatable. huh. jack's an asshole whose wife and child are scared of him iirc?

haha yes. look, he's unambiguously evil. but then, to quote another movie: nobody's perfect.

ryan, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:04 (seven years ago) link

calling the movie 'the shining' / the whole presence of 'the shining' in the movie is sort of hilariously arbitrary, isn't it

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:05 (seven years ago) link

relatable. huh. jack's an asshole whose wife and child are scared of him iirc?

you rc!

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:06 (seven years ago) link

It's not hard to relate to someone who hates other people. Here of all places.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:06 (seven years ago) link

i think king is right to hate the movie, by which i don't mean i think it's a bad movie -- but it makes all the changes it makes to his text in the service of total reader/viewer hostility

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:07 (seven years ago) link

as dlh put it so nicely, not finding him relatable it in its own way a sort of turn away from the provocation that the movie offers.

ryan, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:08 (seven years ago) link

anyway, i've gone on about this here and on the EWS thread but i dont think Kubrick is hostile to viewers so much as doing something very formally interesting wrt the symbolic "interpretation" of his films. They lead in but dont lead out.

ryan, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:09 (seven years ago) link

Adulthood is coming to the realization that other people use you, even depend on you, and don't like you, and resisting the urge to kill them over that.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:09 (seven years ago) link

Just kidding big love this movie sucks et al.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:10 (seven years ago) link

one of the Meaningless Shining Theories i find compelling even if i have no idea and no way of ever finding out if it's accurate is that that one long lingering shot of the car wreck as halloran is driving up the mountain is there as a hostile gesture to king because the wrecked car matches the description of the torrance family car in the book. if that's true then sure i don't blame king for hating this.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:11 (seven years ago) link

apart from, i mean, like in the book jack is an asshole who broke his son's arm but it's okay because man he had kind of a difficult childhood himself and if you'd just try and understand, plus i mean he's a writer -- and in the movie he's just an asshole who enjoys being an asshole -- the levels on which king was bothered by that are pretty transparent

anyway, i've gone on about this here and on the EWS thread but i dont think Kubrick is hostile to viewers so much as doing something very formally interesting wrt the symbolic "interpretation" of his films. They lead in but dont lead out.

― ryan, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:09 (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

as a narrative it leads in but doesn't lead out!! symbols, enh

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:11 (seven years ago) link

ive never really related to jack. i think i always used to be lukewarm on the movie because i didn't get much of or any emotional charge out of it - no fear for wendy or the kid, no thrill @ watching jack. they felt like puppets, not people

It's not hard to relate to someone who hates other people. Here of all places.

― Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, November 1, 2012 5:06 PM (58 seconds ago) Bookmark

i think it might be easier for me than for most people even

'relatability' isnt something i typically get out of kubrick films i guess

turds (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:14 (seven years ago) link

Your ab-STRACT-ing me, Wendy!

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:15 (seven years ago) link

man he had kind of a difficult childhood himself and if you'd just try and understand, plus i mean he's a writer

this is so boring tho! i mean everyone knows it deepens like a coastal shelf; thank god we don't have flashbacks or sad speeches about jack's childhood or whatever. what we do have is the sense, in the bar scenes or in that one where danny sits on jack's lap and asks if he'd ever do anything to hurt them, that while jack long ago made up his mind to hate his wife his hostility towards his own child disturbs and frightens him. (even morbz likes the scene where he temporarily wakes from his nightmare and for a few minutes is just straight terrified by his entire life.) how many times in the movie does he insist that he loves danny? half of his hostility towards wendy comes from the suspicion that wendy doesn't believe him when he says that. and the suspicion that he doesn't either.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:20 (seven years ago) link

xp lol

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:20 (seven years ago) link

i think what's bold about the "relatability" angle is that the movie points to a part of ourselves we often actively suppress any relationship to (guilt, that "capacity for violence," resentment of loved ones). and the actual precariousness of relating to it! it's uneasy, threatening, you can get lost in it.

I dunno i havent seen this movie in like 10 years lol.

ryan, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:20 (seven years ago) link

haha i don't think jack is an unboring character in the book let's put it that way

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:21 (seven years ago) link

the scene where he temporarily wakes from his nightmare and for a few minutes is just straight terrified by his entire life.) how many times in the movie does he insist that he loves danny? half of his hostility towards wendy comes from the suspicion that wendy doesn't believe him when he says that. and the suspicion that he doesn't either.

yeah! and there's enormous pathos in this for me.

ryan, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:21 (seven years ago) link

haha you're gonna watch it and be like WAIT A MINUTE DIFFICULT LISTENING HOUR IS INSANE xp

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:22 (seven years ago) link

nah man you've kinda blown this movie wide open for me!

ryan, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:23 (seven years ago) link

i think i always used to be lukewarm on the movie because i didn't get much of or any emotional charge out of it - no fear for wendy or the kid, no thrill @ watching jack. they felt like puppets, not people

yeahh this is part of what i feel about it?? but what i guess i'm calling viewer hostility is the sense i get from the movie that it wants to call your attention to this, make you feel kind of an idiot for wishing that they could be otherwise

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haha i am growing to like the opposing reading that's coming up way more though

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:24 (seven years ago) link

People dissecting this movie makes me not hate people.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:27 (seven years ago) link

I might get weepy during Room 237.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:27 (seven years ago) link

Nicholson does add plenty to the movie in some of those scenes you mention. Tongue and fingers wagging, "CHECK IT OUT!," etc, he kinda torpedoes it.

All I recall from the cut scene is that Ullman tells Wendy they didn't find Jack's body on the grounds. TA DUM! However, since that's how I first saw it, the cut from Popsicle Jack to Overlook dolly into the photo seems terribly abrupt to me in subsequent viewings.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:28 (seven years ago) link

disclosure btw i have never read the book. i've been wanting to see the king miniseries lately.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:30 (seven years ago) link

is there a thread on that? i remember thinking it was so lame. King's version of horror never really gets to me.

ryan, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:31 (seven years ago) link

Instead might I suggest dropping acid and watching eight episodes of Wings back to back? And make them all the same episode?

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:32 (seven years ago) link

Actually wait no that sounds like it could be fun.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:33 (seven years ago) link

yeah i have no expectations for it (i've seen the langoliers, which actually isn't even really that bad, it's got dean stockwell, it's just, yknow, something else) but i always talk about the kubrick movie and his famous hijacking of the story without actually having any real idea what's king and what isn't. i guess i should just read the book if i want to know.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:34 (seven years ago) link

haha

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:34 (seven years ago) link

It's the only King book I've ever read. Don't bother.

I don't remember the thing w/ the yellow ball described by Duvall below, perhaps it was shot but not in the opening-weekend version.

Shelley Duvall (1981):

I think he was wrong (to cut the scene), because the scene explains some things that are obscure for the public, like the importance of the yellow ball and the role of the hotel manager in the plot. Wendy is in the hospital with her son. The manager visits her, apologizes for what happened, and invites her to live with him. She doesn't say yes or no. Then he goes into the hallway of the hospital, passes in front of Danny, who is playing on the ground with some toys. When he gets near the exit, he stops and says, 'I almost forgot, I have something for you.' And he pulls from his pocket the yellow ball that the twins had thrown at Danny. It bounces twice (we spent a whole day filming so it would bounce the right way), Danny catches it, looks at it, then lifts his eyes towards the hotel manager, stupefied, realizing that throughout the story he was aware of the mystery of the hotel. There was a Hitchcockian side to this resolution, and you know that Kubrick was crazy about Hitchcock.

Diane Johnson (1999):

Kubrick felt that we should see them in the hospital so we would know that they were all right. He had a soft spot for Wendy and Danny and thought that, and the end of a horror film, the audience should be reassured that everything was back to normal. Personally, I was a bit tougher. For a long time we kept asking ourselves who was going to die, and we decided on Hallorann. But I was ready to shock everyone by killing Danny! That may have been going too far.

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~butting/shining/hospital.html

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:39 (seven years ago) link

i assume that kubrick's estate probably has all the cut scenes (same with 2001) but out of understandable respect to his wishes will never let anyone see them again.

king's changing attitude toward the film is kind of interesting: according to wiki he found the film 'dreadfully upsetting' when he first saw it and only later started saying that he found it dissatisfying and 'not really horror' etc.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:41 (seven years ago) link

invites her to live w him!

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:41 (seven years ago) link

There was a Hitchcockian side to this resolution

yeah hitchcockian like in psycho

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:42 (seven years ago) link

I did see the 120-min cut once and thought it was total hash.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:45 (seven years ago) link

i think that's sweet that kubrick wants us to know wendy and danny are all right, belies the cliche about kubrick as some kind of detached unfeeling alien. i've never worried about them once they get into the sno-cat tho.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:46 (seven years ago) link

is the 120-min cut the one that's been in the u.k./europe this whole time? cuz they just had this big-deal re-release over there w New Footage! and i got all excited and then read about the new footage and i've seen it all. was it not even on their DVD?

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:47 (seven years ago) link

afaik, yes, the short cut was always shown in theaters, dunno about home formats

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:49 (seven years ago) link

that website seems to say yes. huh.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:52 (seven years ago) link

lol some people are crazier than i am:

I saw the film eight times on opening weekend at Mann's Chinese Theatre in LA. The scene was there all eight times. Next weekend I saw it and it was gone.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:55 (seven years ago) link

let's not jump to conclusions on scant evidence

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 November 2012 21:56 (seven years ago) link

The 120 min cut was shown in UK cinemas, and is the version released on VHS, DVD etc over here. But for some reason, the longer American version (no hospital scenes) used to be shown on TV - so the 'new' footage isn't even that new to Brit audiences, either. IIRC Kubrick came to prefer the shorter version, and I can see why (the excision of the naff skeletons-in-the-lobby shots at the end is especially welcome), tho the removal of the scene between Danny, Wendy and the Doctor near the start does cut out some exposition about Danny's accident and Jack's drinking that's not made as explicit elsewhere.

Ward Fowler, Friday, 2 November 2012 05:40 (seven years ago) link

i've always thought some of the shots of bizarre shit that wendy sees near the end cross the line into total silliness, tho i wouldn't want to give up 'great party, isn't it??'

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 2 November 2012 06:16 (seven years ago) link

yeah i'm not gonna defend the skeletons. (nor am i one of those who was ever much unsettled by the furry blowjob scene, but i appreciate its presence.)

difficult listening hour, Friday, 2 November 2012 06:22 (seven years ago) link

i'm not even really sure she needs to see the elevator of blood. it works as a sort of THE HOTEL IS CLIMAXING AT LAST thing i guess but it's probably the iteration of the shot that has the least resonance.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 2 November 2012 06:30 (seven years ago) link

I'm not sure how old I was but I saw this at such a young age the first time that all of it was pretty damn disturbing. The bj especially because I was too young to even know what they were doing other than something weird and unspeakable.

ryan, Friday, 2 November 2012 06:33 (seven years ago) link

Like i remember seeing this again much older and thinking "hey is that what I think it is??"

ryan, Friday, 2 November 2012 06:34 (seven years ago) link

yeah all of it was def at least a little disturbing when i was a kid. except the skeletons. i actually like them more now, if anything! but not much.

when i was a kid the scariest thing was easily the two little girls, partic the part where it flash-cuts to their axed bodies in the hallway. they're still p creepy honestly, but i'm easy. nowadays tho the worst for me is probably "all work and no play". she comes downstairs frightened but mostly together, and you just watch her turning into a wreck while she tears through the pages looking for a time when he was not insane. and then lol: HOW DO YOU LIKE IT?

difficult listening hour, Friday, 2 November 2012 06:39 (seven years ago) link

the elevator of blood is the reason the trailer is better than the film.

The Room 237 theorist Bill Blakemore (ABC News) said that the discovery of the manuscript is what he gets as a frequent answer to what the scariest scene is. I think it's the best, at least, except for maybe the red bathroom.

The only actors who appeared in 3 Kubrick films are in The Shining. (easily researched)

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2012 12:17 (seven years ago) link

So I'll try it from memory. Grady--that guy. (Remember him in Barry Lyndon, not sure of what else.) Is the bartender in Paths of Glory (+ something else)? Stuck after that.

clemenza, Friday, 2 November 2012 12:25 (seven years ago) link

yes, Grady (Philip Stone) is also Alex's dad in ACO; Joe Turkel (Lloyd the bartender) also in PoG & The Killing.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2012 12:55 (seven years ago) link

Statuesque, silent nude woman appears in at least four Kubrick movies iirc.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Friday, 2 November 2012 12:57 (seven years ago) link

I believe Vivian Kubrick appears onscreen as a hotel guest, right? She was also in 2001 as Floyd's daughter.

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Friday, 2 November 2012 13:00 (seven years ago) link

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WC4-p9fZCoo/TVwHBiPjj4I/AAAAAAAAAUo/veEfYfHUWCM/s1600/diane_arbus_identical_twins_1967.jpg

I'm sure you all know the reference but here is the inspiration for the Grady girls. Diane Arbus

Iago Galdston, Friday, 2 November 2012 13:13 (seven years ago) link

I think the 3x actors question is generally linited to "credited roles." ie fuck trainspotters :)

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2012 13:16 (seven years ago) link

Scariest moment for me is woman in bathtub.

Moodles, Friday, 2 November 2012 13:39 (seven years ago) link

Just a guess, based on process of elimination and the fact that he gets a line and you can clearly see him: the "Nice day for a party" guy with the axe in his head.

clemenza, Friday, 2 November 2012 13:42 (seven years ago) link

A little sketchy on details--no axe, inexact quote:

http://horrorfanzine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/the-shining-25.jpg

clemenza, Friday, 2 November 2012 13:46 (seven years ago) link

a guess for what? There are two actors and you got them.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2012 13:47 (seven years ago) link

Actually, he hides his face behind a fan and giggles, "Good day, sunshine."

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Friday, 2 November 2012 13:47 (seven years ago) link

Right--I was thinking three actors, but it was three films.

clemenza, Friday, 2 November 2012 13:48 (seven years ago) link

http://greatparty.ytmnd.com/

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Friday, 2 November 2012 13:49 (seven years ago) link

Scariest moment for me is woman in bathtub.

otm.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 November 2012 15:05 (seven years ago) link

See, I'd read the book and was utterly expecting that one. One of my high-school buddies remembers someone kicked his seat when the Grady girls appeared.

Also, it's funny that in Room 237 someone suggests that Barry Nelson's hairpiece makes him look like JFK, cuz one of my friends on opening night referred to BN as "Reagan."

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2012 15:08 (seven years ago) link

http://www.angryalien.com/0504/shiningbunnies.html

Three Word Username, Friday, 2 November 2012 15:13 (seven years ago) link

I really enjoyed this at the cinema. My reservations aren't new (many expressed here already, but):

- soundtrack is REALLY intrusive. Characters will be walking around looking at things NBD, and there's this screeching orchestra playing all over it. I'd have taken out the majority of the music TBH.

- Scatman Crothers - why have him go all that way just to get stabbed the second he walks in the door?

- Nicholson is cartoonishly devilsome and while he plays it well, a little subtlety would have been nice.

Also, why does he say "here's johnny", when he's been known as jack all the way through the film?

make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Friday, 2 November 2012 15:30 (seven years ago) link

lol

乒乓, Friday, 2 November 2012 15:38 (seven years ago) link

Scatman Crothers - why have him go all that way just to get stabbed the second he walks in the door?

A big question at the time, esp as it doesnt happen in the novel. If you accept the interpretation of the themes of racial/religious genocides, then having it happen to a black man fits, I suppose. Also, it subverts norms and expectations.

lol britishes. "Here's Johnny" was the intro for America's best-loved late-night TV host.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2012 15:43 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, the expectations of novel readers combined with it being the one legitimate (cheap) jump scare moment.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Friday, 2 November 2012 15:50 (seven years ago) link

great post dog latin

turds (Hungry4Ass), Friday, 2 November 2012 15:51 (seven years ago) link

i love me froggies

HOT FRUIT (Matt P), Friday, 2 November 2012 15:57 (seven years ago) link

- Scatman Crothers - why have him go all that way just to get stabbed the second he walks in the door?

it's cruel, but the build up of him as this shining ray of hope and goodness --> instantly killed as soon as he walks into the hotel is kind of devastating and reinforces the hopelessness of the situation. works for me in a horror context tbh.

circa1916, Friday, 2 November 2012 16:00 (seven years ago) link

^^ I was going to make this post but deleted it

乒乓, Friday, 2 November 2012 16:02 (seven years ago) link

haha. i always make it a point to say things that other people have decided aren't worth saying.

circa1916, Friday, 2 November 2012 16:04 (seven years ago) link

Plus Kubrick knew what a laugh it would lead to on The Simpsons eventually.

C-3PO Sharkey (Phil D.), Friday, 2 November 2012 16:09 (seven years ago) link

Also, it subverts norms and expectations.

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Friday, 2 November 2012 16:10 (seven years ago) link

1916 otm; that part's great.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 2 November 2012 16:10 (seven years ago) link

so i was thinking about this in the shower earlier, i think halloran the character in the novel is a somewhat racist conception but is he that in the movie

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Friday, 2 November 2012 16:10 (seven years ago) link

haha, sorry about the noobie/britishes questions. i suppose the film sets up Crothers as being the shining deus ex machina of the film, gonna save the day by sneaking up on Jack at last minute.

I was kind of disappointed with the ending. I'm sure the first time I saw it Jack actually nearly catches up with Daniel but he doesn't come close. He just kind of runs out of steam and has a sit down. I guess I like the realism - Jack is still very much a human being, despite whatever demons are possessing him, so falling down the stairs right at the beginning of his psychotic episode is enough to weaken him considerably.

make like a steak and beef (dog latin), Friday, 2 November 2012 16:11 (seven years ago) link

circa1921

乒乓, Friday, 2 November 2012 16:11 (seven years ago) link

also i enjoyed the conversation about jack's novel in the savage detectives

set the controls for the heart of the congos (thomp), Friday, 2 November 2012 16:11 (seven years ago) link

halloran's literally a magic negro, but i think it takes the pious deadness out of the cliche that he totally fails to save the day; plus the qualities that make us invest our hopes in him aren't that he's magic (there's a magic white boy too) but that he cares about danny and is rigorous about making phone calls.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 2 November 2012 16:15 (seven years ago) link

and yeah the person/force that kills him is set up as not straightforwardly racist but in the grip of a really old strain of homicidal imperialism that goes a lot deeper/uglier than just standard movie oh this guy hates black people. i dunno if being attentive to that absolves your movie from drawing stereotypes; i guess it doesn't; but, yknow, i feel like the movie's racial consciousness is good.

difficult listening hour, Friday, 2 November 2012 16:19 (seven years ago) link

I watched EWS and The Shining recently and i'm pretty sure Tome Cruise is playing Jack Nicholson playing Dr. Bill, esp in the argument w/ Kidman scene. Same phrasing and everything.

Moreno, Friday, 2 November 2012 16:20 (seven years ago) link

ok, i haven't seen either in awhile but that's unimaginable. Maybe just cuz both characters ask a lotta questions?

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2012 16:30 (seven years ago) link

kubrick had never seen 'the tonight show' and didn't know what 'here's johnny' meant either!

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 2 November 2012 17:22 (seven years ago) link

yes, def a Jack improv

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2012 19:19 (seven years ago) link

I'm not sure anyone has ever linked this quite extensive interview w/ SK by Michel Ciment.

Stephen Crane wrote a story called "The Blue Hotel." In it you quickly learn that the central character is a paranoid. He gets involved in a poker game, decides someone is cheating him, makes an accusation, starts a fight and gets killed. You think the point of the story is that his death was inevitable because a paranoid poker player would ultimately get involved in a fatal gunfight. But, in the end, you find out that the man he accused was actually cheating him. I think The Shining uses a similar kind of psychological misdirection to forestall the realization that the supernatural events are actually happening.

I hope the audience has had a good fright, has believed the film while they were watching it, and retains some sense of it. The ballroom photograph at the very end suggests the reincarnation of Jack.

http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/amk/doc/interview.ts.html

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 November 2012 20:28 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwcfDa0gEPQ

am0n, Friday, 2 November 2012 20:46 (seven years ago) link

LOL awesome! I just watched that clip the other day. I'm really trying to get into Johnny Carson recently...

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 November 2012 20:52 (seven years ago) link

the three huge interviews with the kube on that site are amazing, maybe the best director interviews i've ever read anywhere.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 2 November 2012 21:19 (seven years ago) link

Yes! There goes my evening...

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 November 2012 21:25 (seven years ago) link

Did you have all those extras pose for the last shot?

No, they were in a photograph taken in 1921 which we found in a picture library. I originally planned to use extras, but it proved impossible to make them look as good as the people in the photograph. So I very carefully photographed Jack, matching the angle and the lighting of the 1921 photograph, and shooting him from different distances too, so that his face would be larger and smaller on the negative. This allowed the choice of an image size which when enlarged would match the grain structure in the original photograph. The photograph of Jack's face was then airbrushed in to the main photograph, and I think the result looked perfect. Every face around Jack is an archetype of the period.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 November 2012 21:26 (seven years ago) link

i love the idea that the narrative progresses from "this is all in his head" to "this is REALLY happening."

ryan, Friday, 2 November 2012 21:32 (seven years ago) link

God does watching vid of Ed McMahon without his glasses kinda freak me out

the max in the high castle (kingfish), Friday, 2 November 2012 21:54 (seven years ago) link

Watching Paths of Glory, i can totally see Kubrick faking the moon landing. This movie is ambient!

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 3 November 2012 04:56 (seven years ago) link

Anyways this movie is great, it's like Dr. Strangelove mixes with 2001.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 3 November 2012 05:01 (seven years ago) link

omg R00m 237. kind of crazy. it succeeded in making me want to rewatch every kubrick movie though, so that's good.
conspiracy theory stuff aside (because, seriously, um... entertaining but o_O), i was really into the reading of the film via kubrick as auteur, what comes up thematically and technically in the shining that also comes up in different ways in his other films. and i love the hotel as labyrinth. but i was into that idea before seeing this. well, i guess there wasn't much if any new 'film theory' stuff in this, but it was kind of cool to see the film deconstructed over and over again.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 04:39 (seven years ago) link

i feel like this movie will never not be scary to me

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 04:40 (seven years ago) link

I watched the Viv K making-of doc for the first time, lol'd at Kub typing out new pages at the same table where Jack and Shelley are (separately) running lines.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 12:25 (seven years ago) link

did you really find that doc "brutal," Eric? I'm not sure it shows anything I wouldn't expect from a high-stakes movie shoot led by an exacting chief. "Making a movie is like going to war," as Coppola pere said.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 17:39 (seven years ago) link

there's a Viv K commentary on her documentary which is worth hearing, if only to confound/confirm expectations of what you might imagine stanley kubrick's daughter to be like - shame she never completed her Full Metal Jacket doc

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 13 November 2012 18:37 (seven years ago) link

caught paths of glory the other day on netflix, loved the trial scene. their voices in that huge hall reverb

am0n, Tuesday, 13 November 2012 18:38 (seven years ago) link

YES that movie is terrific! The bits on the battlefield are very surreal as well. Some really experimental sound work throughout that movie.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 13 November 2012 18:40 (seven years ago) link

some kubrick clan are doing a reddit thing right now
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/134rvs/stanley_kubricks_daughter_katharina_kubrick_and/

what they used for verification is interesting
http://imgur.com/knmVI

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 13 November 2012 18:44 (seven years ago) link

did you really find that doc "brutal," Eric?

I was talking about the shot of Jack N. threading up his mic cord through his pants.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 17:38 (seven years ago) link

heheh

I did listen to Viv's commentary, she is/was pretty laidback and goofy (for a Scientologist?).

also, Stanley's voice -- Sellers was definitely doing it in one of his Quilty scenes, sounds like.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 November 2012 17:40 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

just watched this again for first time in like 10 years. just a few observations:

1) never realized before how much this owes to The Night of the Hunter, particularly Nicholson's performance and the slight ridiculousnouss AND menace he exudes.

2) the music being so "obtrusive" struck me as really interesting. there's a weird reversal of ordinary background/foreground things going on. (much as in a typical kubrick movie im always surveying the decor and props). In anycase i think the obtrusiveness is perhaps doing something really interesting tonally.

3) it's almost too lame to point out, and im sure it's noted many times before, but it finaly hit me that "dull boy" vs. shining and danny's "talent" play off of Jack's own artistic insecurities.

ryan, Sunday, 2 December 2012 04:44 (seven years ago) link

also the music cues really reminded me of EWS in terms of that obtrusiveness and, well, just loudness. it's like a film version of Miles Davis's Nefertiti--it reverse the normal relationship between sound and image.

ryan, Sunday, 2 December 2012 04:47 (seven years ago) link

oh yeah and along the lines of number 1 above it felt telling that Danny is at one point watching a Roadrunner cartoon on tv (which we only hear, and it's some song ABOUT the Roadrunner that I've never heard in any other context...but anyway that seemed pretty funny given how hapless a murderer of his family Jack turns out to be).

ryan, Sunday, 2 December 2012 07:12 (seven years ago) link

3) it's almost too lame to point out, and im sure it's noted many times before, but it finaly hit me that "dull boy" vs. shining and danny's "talent" play off of Jack's own artistic insecurities.

ha see this had never occurred to me but yup

the dumb obvious thing that i appreciated last time (after reading about it, too) was how it's never dark in this horror movie. even at the end in the maze at night it's floodlights-on-snow which just looks like evil daylight. i think "redrum"'s the only scene where the lights are off.

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 2 December 2012 14:13 (seven years ago) link

I recently re-read the novel in anticipation of King's upcoming sequel, and the conventional wisdom about "novel Jack" vs. "movie Jack" is way off. Even on the page, King's Jack Torrance is a dude so on the edge and full of rage that he mocked a debate team student to his face about stuttering, then beat him half to death in the parking lot when he caught the kid slashing his tires. And that's *after* breaking Danny's arm and sobering up.

super perv powder (Phil D.), Sunday, 2 December 2012 14:42 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, movie Jack is for at least a few scenes shown trying to hold it together. I don't remember novel Jack making that much an effort.

Bobby Ken Doll (Eric H.), Sunday, 2 December 2012 16:38 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Here's a few of Saul Bass's rough sketches for The Shining poster design. More here

http://www.thefoxisblack.com/blogimages//saul-bass-the-shining-film-poster-2.jpg
http://www.thefoxisblack.com/blogimages//saul-bass-the-shining-film-poster-5.jpg

Darin, Sunday, 16 December 2012 17:08 (seven years ago) link

Are they Kubrick's notes on them?

Alba, Monday, 17 December 2012 00:09 (seven years ago) link

"Make the logo bigger"

ledge, Monday, 17 December 2012 00:12 (seven years ago) link

I think they're Bass's notes. xp

Darin, Monday, 17 December 2012 02:41 (seven years ago) link

The Shining is a classic. I wasn't really unnerved by it until after several viewings. Somehow the humor distracted me from the horror. But recently the plain fact that it's about a man going nuts and trying kill his own family - with an axe - hit me hard and I realized that the humor is necessary because without it the horror would be too complete.

I admire Kubrick's decision to go completely against stereotype and cast a (conventionally) unattractive actress in the part of Wendy. In the book Wendy is basically the sexy blonde we'd expect to be terrorized in a horror film. Preferably with plenty of gratuitous cleavage along the way. Not here. I admire Shelley Duvall's performance, I think it's awesome. The look on her face the first time Jack gets angry with her...

Doctor Flange, Monday, 17 December 2012 04:57 (seven years ago) link

In a few parts she looks almost exactly like Munch's iconic "The Scream" painting.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 17 December 2012 05:05 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

about that original penultimate scene:

http://somecamerunning.typepad.com/some_came_running/2013/01/shining-time.html

btw I think I went to the same theater Glenn Kenny did on 5/23/80, about 7 hours later.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 January 2013 18:01 (seven years ago) link

you really need to see this

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/room237/

zero dark (s1ocki), Friday, 8 February 2013 20:44 (seven years ago) link

This is nice! Though they should have added some miniature furniture floating around...

I really hope this will be available at the German itunes in March as well.

the europan nikon is here (grauschleier), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 13:35 (seven years ago) link

per promo email for Room 237

Opens in New York on March 29 at IFC Center and Elinor Bunin Munroe Film Center

National Expansion Begins April 5 in Los Angeles, Boston, Chicago, Seattle and Miami

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 February 2013 19:56 (seven years ago) link

i saw room 237 tnite. it's very compelling to watch - i was never bored and at times it was as frightening as watching the shining itself. both bc it is scored and edited so well and the scenes are gripping even when slowed down and decontextualized. also bc some of the theories are so outlandish and still so compelling (failing on an intellectual level while eliciting such a kind of interpretative ecstasy) that there's a real sense of insanity + untetheredness.

one thing that a lot of the theories of the film share is that they're about elisions of trauma. i don't remember how much the movie goes into this, but the book is pretty clearly dramatizing the abuse of danny by his father - in this kinda freudian analysis everything emerges from the broken arm incident (or sexual abuse i've heard argued) and the horrific phenomena are a manifestation of this sublimated wound. but other theories make a similar move. the film is about the holocaust, but kubrick can't look it head-on (room 237 notes that he abandoned his own holocaust film after struggling unsuccessfully w/ it), or the film is about the genocide of the native americans that slowly slips back into consciousness (the blood oozing from the sides of the elevator) - but can never be acknowledged directly.

when i first watched lolita i was struck first by how formal it was compared to the other - far more stylized - kubrick films i had seen (at the time the shining, full metal jacket, eyes wide shut). also (and i haven't read the original nabokov so i can't speak to how it compares) that kubrick so intentionally elides the central crime of the film - the 'murder' of charlotte and the ongoing rape of her daughter. instead the most explicit narrative of the film for me was this kind of doubled paranoia. like in the shining these supernatural events emerge from an internal psychological neurosis - in humbert's case the repressed guilt over his actions manifests as his being tracked and stalked throughout their trip together. it's a kind of interesting freudian procedure bc humbert's internal state is so overwhelming, so total and crushing that it eliminates dolores's narrative almost entirely (she becomes this subject/nymphet lolita character) and then actually redraws the contours of reality as well so that everything is humbert and his sado-paranoid psychosis (the strange phone calls, the inspector, etc).

(this is room 237's dominant mode of interpretation i think - this obliteration of subjectivity along the shape of the readers' own psychological topography. these interpretative fantasies are so potent that the shining seems to bend to accommodate them.)

also i don't know if kubrick faked the moon landing and i very much doubt that he did but i am also convinced that the shining is a film about him faking the moon landing. however you can tie those two assertions together idk.

Mordy, Thursday, 14 February 2013 03:35 (seven years ago) link

room 237 notes that he abandoned his own holocaust film after struggling unsuccessfully w/ it

This was afterward, I think, The Aryan Papers (Julia Roberts)?

kubrick so intentionally elides the central crime of the film - the 'murder' of charlotte and the ongoing rape of her daughter.

well, 1962 censorship.

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 February 2013 03:40 (seven years ago) link

Johanna ter Steege was cast as the lead ultimately. The installation of her screen tests is one of the highlights of the LACMA exhibit.

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Thursday, 14 February 2013 03:55 (seven years ago) link

nice post, mordy. I am intensely excited for Room 237.

Regarding "elision of trauma": I've been thinking about that a lot lately and I've been wondering if the rather obtrusive music in the movie isn't in some sense motivated along those line. It's funny how often the most seemingly banal things are imbued by Kubrick with such intense inchoate horror by the score and camera staging.

ryan, Thursday, 14 February 2013 03:57 (seven years ago) link

oh yeah i also wanted to mention re doubled paranoia that humbert humbert's name reflects this - this reflected projection of self + doubling, the self in subjective experience and the self silkscreened onto the supposed objective reality. and of course he's a literary scholar.

Mordy, Thursday, 14 February 2013 04:03 (seven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/ZpN6Lda.jpg

乒乓, Thursday, 14 February 2013 04:11 (seven years ago) link

kubrick so intentionally elides the central crime of the film - the 'murder' of charlotte and the ongoing rape of her daughter.

well, 1962 censorship.

― saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, February 13, 2013 10:40 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not really... that is pretty faithful to the book's aims

zero dark (s1ocki), Thursday, 14 February 2013 14:50 (seven years ago) link

but s1ocki, SK subsequently said a filmed Lolita doesnt work w/out eros, which would surely make eliding rape harder, yeah?

saltwater incursion (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 February 2013 20:26 (seven years ago) link

I don't know if its filmable at all tbh considering how unreliable HH is...

zero dark (s1ocki), Monday, 18 February 2013 07:44 (seven years ago) link

http://newkidsonmycock11.tumblr.com/post/43512771318

andrew m., Saturday, 23 February 2013 04:32 (seven years ago) link

http://newkidsonmycock11.tumblr.com/post/43512771318

andrew m., Saturday, 23 February 2013 04:32 (seven years ago) link

just realized the link may scare. it's a lolgif.

andrew m., Saturday, 23 February 2013 05:25 (seven years ago) link

Just realized that tumblr has a goddamned swastika at the top of it.

how's life, Saturday, 23 February 2013 11:27 (seven years ago) link

I just saw the US cut for the first time. The UK version - which is always on tv - cuts out the bit with the doctor at the start which means you have no idea about the abuse incident from a few months earlier. Strangely tho Jack makes a reference to it later in the film which is kept in. Also much of Halloran's journey back to the Overlook is cut so you dont really know he came from Florida.

you're going home in a crispy ambulance (cajunsunday), Friday, 1 March 2013 12:55 (seven years ago) link

heh ITV in the UK showed the US version a few times when they screened The Shining on TV in the 1980s

i seem to remember reading, somewhere on the web, that kubrick preferred the European cut - think the best edit wld prob be the Euro version WITH the scene w/ the doctor reinserted (Halloran's journey really slows the movie down in the US cut, think it works fine much shorter in the Euro version)

Ward Fowler, Friday, 1 March 2013 17:06 (seven years ago) link

can't imagine the movie without the doctor scene but yeah i guess you could cut halloran's journey, altho it would diminish the sadistic ratio of time spent watching him travel to the hotel : time he survives once at the hotel, and i still think that's a good joke

a permanent mental health break (difficult listening hour), Friday, 1 March 2013 17:21 (seven years ago) link

Somewhere on some "Shining" ephemera website I saw a thing with Kubrick's meticulously detailed handwritten timeline of Halloran's travels vs. what was happening at the hotel at the same time, to make sure the timing made logical sense with the travel times and time zone changes. It was hilarious.

ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Friday, 1 March 2013 17:34 (seven years ago) link

http://www.stephenking.com/images/books/doctor_sleep/doctor_sleep_full.jpg

On highways across America, a tribe of people called The True Knot travel in search of sustenance. They look harmless—mostly old, lots of polyester, and married to their RVs. But as Dan Torrance knows, and tween Abra Stone learns, The True Knot are quasi-immortal, living off the “steam” that children with the “shining” produce when they are slowly tortured to death.

Haunted by the inhabitants of the Overlook Hotel where he spent one horrific childhood year, Dan has been drifting for decades, desperate to shed his father’s legacy of despair, alcoholism, and violence. Finally, he settles in a New Hampshire town, an AA community that sustains him, and a job at a nursing home where his remnant “shining” power provides the crucial final comfort to the dying. Aided by a prescient cat, he becomes “Doctor Sleep.”

Then Dan meets the evanescent Abra Stone, and it is her spectacular gift, the brightest shining ever seen, that reignites Dan’s own demons and summons him to a battle for Abra’s soul and survival. This is an epic war between good and evil, a gory, glorious story that will thrill the millions of hyper-devoted readers of The Shining and wildly satisfy anyone new to the territory of this icon in the King canon.

ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Saturday, 2 March 2013 17:08 (seven years ago) link

The pic didn't embed, but you can see the cover here: http://www.stephenking.com/promo/doctor_sleep/

ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Saturday, 2 March 2013 17:08 (seven years ago) link

thank god because i had so many unanswered questions

the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 March 2013 19:20 (seven years ago) link

The True Knot are quasi-immortal, living off the “steam” that children with the “shining” produce when they are slowly tortured to death.

the line between fanfic and actuality blurring ever more

the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 March 2013 19:21 (seven years ago) link

quote marks killing me

poll that whitey music pfunkboy (darraghmac), Saturday, 2 March 2013 19:29 (seven years ago) link

he's been on a pretty good run lately so i'm not writing it off just yet. room 237 lived up to the hype btw, total trip.

balls, Saturday, 2 March 2013 19:38 (seven years ago) link

"Aided by a prescient cat" has me side-eyeing this whole deal just a little bit.

ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Saturday, 2 March 2013 20:34 (seven years ago) link

They look harmless—mostly old, lots of polyester

dn waiting to happen

the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 March 2013 20:42 (seven years ago) link

The prescient cat?

tokyo rosemary, Monday, 4 March 2013 15:02 (seven years ago) link

"Aided by a prescient cat" has me side-eyeing this whole deal just a little bit.

― ARE YOU HIRING A NANNY OR A SHAMAN (Phil D.), Saturday, March 2, 2013 3:34 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that was the thing that excited me the most!

zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 5 March 2013 01:19 (seven years ago) link

Room 237 is a terrific watch. It reminded me, in a funny way, of the Rotten Apple youtube series "demonstrating" the Pal McCan'tBe conspiracy. It's an insight into a tangled thought process that makes some kind of internal sense but is utterly improbable.

give me back my 200 dollars (NotEnough), Friday, 8 March 2013 09:13 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

nice Atkinson piece (R237 opens in NY Friday, LA too?):

http://blog.sundancenow.com/new-releases/viva-mabuse-30-bash-your-head-right-fucking-in

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 March 2013 03:10 (seven years ago) link

opens in LA on the 5th

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, 25 March 2013 06:35 (seven years ago) link

i wanna go see room 237 sometime.

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Friday, 29 March 2013 04:19 (seven years ago) link

Seeing it today

Look, Brian, about the afro wig... (forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 March 2013 15:17 (seven years ago) link

Just saw Cuckoo's Nest today and was happy to see Scatman Crothers

calstars, Saturday, 30 March 2013 22:10 (seven years ago) link

lol, 237 is hysterical
such a good call not to show the conspiracy theorists

Look, Brian, about the afro wig... (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 30 March 2013 23:01 (seven years ago) link

predictably, I loved Room 237. Just a lot of fun. I could have watched it forever.

Loved how moments of really penetrating insight are juxtaposed to the most extravagant reaching. Thought the guy who talked about the "pastness" and escaping from the horrors of history was really persuasive and even makes the film kind of moving. It's jives with what I've felt about it, anyway.

Loved the bit about the carpet. Never noticed it before and totally captivated by that idea. Also buy that many of the continuity errors are so obvious that they seem deliberate. I mean, a whole chair missing? Pants changing?

The main point against the Apollo guy isn't so much anything he says but his own paranoia and just how improbable and crazy what he's saying sounds.

ryan, Sunday, 31 March 2013 02:52 (seven years ago) link

also this movie brings up a feeling I wish had a name: when credulity turns to incredulity. you want to believe and agree, your fascinated and open to what is being said, and then the revelation comes and it doesn't connect with your experience and there's an urge to laugh and an even deeper feeling of disappointment or frustration, "no that's not it."

ryan, Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:13 (seven years ago) link

yeah i loved it, i think i laughed hardest at the women seeing the minotaur in the damn skiing pic. main takeaway i got was i really really want to see the shining again soon (and i'm not even that huge on kubrick compared to most of ilx and the shining esp doesn't rank that highly but just seeing it here was enough).

balls, Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:21 (seven years ago) link

Oh man, I really want to see 237. And I don't even like the Shining all that much (I think it's good, just not... revelatory).

emil.y, Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:30 (seven years ago) link

yeah i was like "I DON'T SEE A MINOTAUR!" but really does work with the maze theme?

ryan, Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:33 (seven years ago) link

and Kubrick's face in the clouds, and the really bizarre "phallus" that one guy sees.

ryan, Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:34 (seven years ago) link

yeah was so disappointed to not see kubrick's face in the clouds, I WANT TO BELIEVE

balls, Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:38 (seven years ago) link

haha. also there's still SO MUCH weird shit that they don't even get to! dudes, no one has a clue what the blow-jobbing bear costume thing is about? and the one lady totally punts on the guy with the drink and split head.

ryan, Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:40 (seven years ago) link

must check imdb for other continuity errors

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:42 (seven years ago) link

i cd swear the bear costume guy is straight from the book?

parcheesi Wotsits (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:43 (seven years ago) link

yeah but.....???

anyway other than the carpet thing my favorite part was the bill watson stuff, since that's always intrigued me as well. he's up to no good, that guy.

ryan, Sunday, 31 March 2013 03:46 (seven years ago) link

Bear guy is regularly used to suggest danny being abused by his dad, it seemed weird no one mentioned it?

Look, Brian, about the afro wig... (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 31 March 2013 05:06 (seven years ago) link

The bear (actually dog costume) guy is from the book. There's actually a pretty detailed backstory for it that ties into the hotel's history. Kubrick presumably thought it was way freakier sans explanation. And he was right!

la noche de la vaca (latebloomer), Sunday, 31 March 2013 15:50 (seven years ago) link

I also like how everyone assumes it's a guy...

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 31 March 2013 15:52 (seven years ago) link

The Indian slaughter/violence-of-American-history subtext seems the most plausible out of all the theories in the movie. The only problem is that the guy pushing that angle turns what was likely one of many threads into the film's raison d'être.

la noche de la vaca (latebloomer), Sunday, 31 March 2013 16:10 (seven years ago) link

I hate to keep people out of the theater, but Room 237 is "on demand" at least in NYC

Iago Galdston, Sunday, 31 March 2013 17:22 (seven years ago) link

i saw it thru itunes.

ryan, Sunday, 31 March 2013 17:25 (seven years ago) link

The Indian slaughter/violence-of-American-history subtext seems the most plausible out of all the theories in the movie

There's that one website that did an exhaustive scene-by-scene depiction of it, which follows this train of thought, and has been posted many times on this thread, probably 2 or 3 times by me, so i'd feel embarrassed about posting it again. I think the site that hosted it was called 'mastermind' or something...

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 1 April 2013 14:39 (seven years ago) link

xp the doc refers to a msg board poster named mastrmind who declined to be interviewed. thats the jumping off pt for the superimposition stuff

johnny crunch, Monday, 1 April 2013 14:49 (seven years ago) link

oh dude that baphomet thing is amazing holy sh1t

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 1 April 2013 14:51 (seven years ago) link

OMG YES

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Monday, 1 April 2013 15:40 (seven years ago) link

that's really cool

ryan, Monday, 1 April 2013 15:41 (seven years ago) link

u guys don't think Ascher wants you to accept evrything put forth in the film, now do ya

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 April 2013 16:03 (seven years ago) link

no.

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Monday, 1 April 2013 16:04 (seven years ago) link

he's a filmmaker not a schoolteacher iirc.

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 1 April 2013 16:05 (seven years ago) link

He's actually both, but they teach postmodern theory now, y'know.

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:13 (seven years ago) link

oh dude that baphomet thing is amazing holy sh1t

Jack's not even making the right hand gestures tho

four Marxes plus four Obamas plus four Bin Ladens (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:17 (seven years ago) link

actually that photo is Jack's head superimposed onto an actual vintage photograph, believe it or not.

la noche de la vaca (latebloomer), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:18 (seven years ago) link

actually actually!

la noche de la vaca (latebloomer), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:23 (seven years ago) link

literally actually

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:25 (seven years ago) link

actually for real in actuality!

la noche de la vaca (latebloomer), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:27 (seven years ago) link

BAAAAAAAALSHIT

I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:31 (seven years ago) link

jk who cares

la noche de la vaca (latebloomer), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:46 (seven years ago) link

you are one of them aren't you
you're one of the nonbelievers
you probably worship baphomet
and judd apatow

I offer about as much diversity as a saltine cracker. (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:47 (seven years ago) link

He's actually both, but they teach postmodern theory now, y'know.

― Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, April 1, 2013 7:13 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lolling at this

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Monday, 1 April 2013 19:47 (seven years ago) link

rm 237 hit a lil too close to home for me as a lit major

乒乓, Saturday, 13 April 2013 04:02 (seven years ago) link

I loved it. Would watch again.

billstevejim, Saturday, 13 April 2013 05:03 (seven years ago) link

Hadn't realised King hated Kubrick's version until I read a Guardian piece on filmed adaptations of books that was in the Guardian Review a week or so back. Said there was an interesting film called Room 237 looking at how people dealt with flaws in the film.

I'm having trouble with the Guardian website's search engine so can't find the article there. Hate that website's navigation have never been able to find things easily on it.

actually it's here
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2013/apr/06/king-kubrick-shining-adaptation
which I just found manually. Didn't turn up as search engine had Stephen King or Kubrick entered though & i think the search engine which they're looking for feedback on just stopped working while I'd been looking for it. Ferfuxsake

Stevolende, Saturday, 13 April 2013 09:21 (seven years ago) link

& I hadn't seen that that film was already being discussed, but the rest of taht article is interesting anyway. Written by the guy who wrote the novel Submarine that Ayoade's film was based on. Covers the changes in The Graduate and various other well known films too.

Stevolende, Saturday, 13 April 2013 09:27 (seven years ago) link

actually I'd assumed that Room 237 was an older film that might be well known to some, so wasn;t that surprised thatit was being taked about here. I mainly lost my own thread cos I was having such a hard time finding the article on the Guardian website.

That search engine sucks, I thoughtit might be cos I'd made several searches on book adaptation before enetering Stephen king but it still didn't show taht when I went back and enetered Stephen King asa fresh search, went into loads of other things before that which is from last week so likely to be the first thing people would be looking for with the search engine isn't it?

Stevolende, Saturday, 13 April 2013 09:31 (seven years ago) link

ilx has a search engine too

ְ֮֠֓֟֬֩ (gr8080), Saturday, 13 April 2013 14:17 (seven years ago) link

get it togetehr man

zero dark (s1ocki), Monday, 15 April 2013 03:11 (seven years ago) link

who are you talking to? I went to add the link to this thread because the thread was up active on the days current page. I'd just read the article a few days earlier so thought other people might be interested in reading it, but thanks to the lousy search engine not working properly I spent ages trying to find the entry I was looking for. Then only to discover it actually had the name Stephen King one of the search terms I was looking for directly in its title. Thanks to having to spend time trying to do that I lost thread of comment I was also going to add

So why would I need to find a search engine to look up the thread that was near the top of the page which was why I was adding to it. It looked from the article as though Room 237 was a documentary from a few years back that was being referred to.

So get what together?

Stevolende, Monday, 15 April 2013 05:56 (seven years ago) link

all of *waves hand upward* that

zero dark (s1ocki), Monday, 15 April 2013 13:31 (seven years ago) link

I saw "Room 237", and it was OK. About a third of the commentators just sort of annoyed me and the pacing was quite off. Near the start there are sequences where the movie is played in super slow motion while someone awkwardly describes what is going on onscreen before describing crossfades that make complete sense as standard techniques you would use if you know anything about editing. Though yes the Hitler stash was funny. But I feel like the most compelling stuff was the Native American narrative, which was in here but chopped up among other things. Maybe i wish they had taken 3 major themes and studied them in order, rather than sort of jumping between them. It certainly would have helped build the case for each section. I can't believe nobody analyzing it for Nazi references didn't point out the red doors looking like the big red Nazi flag while 3 minutes were spent watching luggage being brought in in super slow motion.

Production value on this was pretty damn good! Plenty of times I wanted to know the name of the movies they were showing inbetween all the Kubrick footage, and the motion-tracked TV-swaps were always spot-on and looked really cool. Again, the commentators sometimes got on my nerves and I wished they had just hired a voice over actor to read all the stuff. Then again this movie is about how different people each bring a unique perspective so it probably would have lost some of that.

The moon landing thing was cool, but too short! Gimme more! Was kind of hoping they'd delve into 2001 at this point, do more front-projection analysis, etc. That image of cities on the moon? WTF? That was so great!! Where is that from?

LOL @ referencing Physical Cosmologies. Still my favorite Shining resource. The forwards-backwards part was pretty amazing. I'd heard about it when it came out and it sounded sort of cool but sort of gimmicky and dumb, but now I really want to see it!

"Room 237" was a good time and next time I was "The Shining" I'll probably have to keep a notepad by my side. Can't wait to see it again and watch for all the cool new stuff this has made me aware of.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 15 April 2013 15:04 (seven years ago) link

I couldn't have been less interested in a "case-building" approach. This film works if you believe that it's all horseshit.

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 April 2013 15:29 (seven years ago) link

Oh yeah the part where the lady is going on about the guy with the split head and the big reveal is that her kid told her a story that involved a guy w a split head, and an axe, and all that. Well, it would make sense, if you are rewatching "The Shining" over and over, that your kid is going to pick up on the imagery!

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 15 April 2013 15:33 (seven years ago) link

Really i kinda want a full KUBRICK DID THE MOON LANDING documentary.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 15 April 2013 15:34 (seven years ago) link

Hardly surprising that there'll be no ding dong tbf.

the gowls are not what they seem (darraghmac), Monday, 15 April 2013 15:39 (seven years ago) link

I couldn't have been less interested in a "case-building" approach. This film works if you believe that it's all horseshit.

― Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Monday, April 15, 2013 11:29 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

totally otm

zero dark (s1ocki), Monday, 15 April 2013 16:56 (seven years ago) link

in facts it works BETTER

zero dark (s1ocki), Monday, 15 April 2013 16:56 (seven years ago) link

yeah morbs otm

balls, Monday, 15 April 2013 20:59 (seven years ago) link

Speaking as someone that's in the doc, I see it as in impressionistic document of the Kubrick research subculture. No conclusions, but that's not what the doc intended. For "case building" seek out, the many self-made youtube docs out there. What's funny about all the extreme reactions to the POVs in the film, is that, in the context of Shining research at large, they are among the more mainstream, reasonable approaches (even Weidner!)
The really crazy people didn't make the cut!
I know that all of the narrators in the film enjoyed the finished product, and are all kind of surprised by the negative reaction by some of the audience ... just goes to show that different people can see the same thing very differently. Such is ambiguity!

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, 15 April 2013 22:19 (seven years ago) link

okay, so were you the moon landing guy

gr8 tr∞lls i have known (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 April 2013 22:35 (seven years ago) link

i agree with SD, the film works best if you approach the theories a ride you allow yourself to go along on as long as possible until you circle back and realize "oh god i'm in too deep, how far back was the last logical argument, where am i even anymore"

ְ֮֠֓֟֬֩ (gr8080), Monday, 15 April 2013 22:48 (seven years ago) link

and "will i ever be able to watch a movie the same way ever again"

ְ֮֠֓֟֬֩ (gr8080), Monday, 15 April 2013 22:49 (seven years ago) link

xp: lawls, I'm the forwards/backwards guy with the screaming kid who says "like" all the time.

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, 15 April 2013 22:51 (seven years ago) link

but siriusly ... http://kdk12.tumblr.com/private/40157429425/tumblr_mdm1mzJlgC1qjt9ph

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Monday, 15 April 2013 22:53 (seven years ago) link

ohhhh. good work with forward backwards show, that was a definite high point.

gr8 tr∞lls i have known (forksclovetofu), Monday, 15 April 2013 22:55 (seven years ago) link

yeah i big upped you way up thread -- srsly my favorite part of the film

ְ֮֠֓֟֬֩ (gr8080), Monday, 15 April 2013 23:46 (seven years ago) link

For the record, I was the moon landing guy

urine for a treat (latebloomer), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 01:11 (seven years ago) link

I am the minotaur fwiw.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 01:44 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8h_v_our_Q

Ask The Answer Man (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 02:35 (seven years ago) link

Forwards/backwards was effing brilliant. You'd think it would be a mess but all the shots they showed were very beautiful.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 13:07 (seven years ago) link

Just watched the doc, pretty decent quality version up on Piratebay btw.
Interesting stuff.

Now got to watch the film again

Stevolende, Thursday, 18 April 2013 14:46 (seven years ago) link

disclosure, know the room 237 producer, old friend, but yeah Morbs otm. the point of Room 237 is not to say "here's some stuff you may not have noticed." it's about all this insane shit a bunch of people believe about a movie and imo about how the power of Kubrick's technical facility is so great that some people, seeing it, become convinced that some greater truth has to lie underneath these brilliantly-composed shots

Just watched the doc, pretty decent quality version up on Piratebay btw.

I'll tell my dude, I'm sure he'll be super-stoked

not feeling those lighters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 18 April 2013 15:27 (seven years ago) link

Stoked because that's where he got his Shining footage too?

pplains, Thursday, 18 April 2013 15:39 (seven years ago) link

also tell him that perfect, hi def ripped copies are all over the internet

The Great Forgiver (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 18 April 2013 15:41 (seven years ago) link

you're blowing minds there don

not feeling those lighters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 18 April 2013 15:53 (seven years ago) link

seeing the shining in theaters tonight, bringing a notebook and my tinfoil hat

H-E-double-s1ockisticks (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 18 April 2013 15:57 (seven years ago) link

you're blowing minds there don

You're so much smarter than me, and you know, connected because you have a producer bro on "Room 237." Sorry, I forgot.

The Great Forgiver (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:00 (seven years ago) link

What is that moon city thing from?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:00 (seven years ago) link

Now got to watch the film again

This is going entirely too far, try Paths of Glory

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:01 (seven years ago) link

You're so much smarter than me, and you know, connected because you have a producer bro on "Room 237." Sorry, I forgot.

it's ok, just don't let it happen again

not feeling those lighters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:03 (seven years ago) link

Parts of Paths of Glory were actually filmed on the moon.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:04 (seven years ago) link

that major battle scene v much looks it.

Pope Rusty I (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:15 (seven years ago) link

I really enjoyed Room 237 ( and loved the backwards/forwards bits btw). Reminded me again how awesome Kubrick is and how I miss this kind of filmmaking. I was also put in mind of the book "The Making of Kubrick's 2001" which I read obsessively as a kid when I first saw that movie. It kind of does the same thing for 2001 as Room 237 does for The Shining - catalogues tons of stuff you missed and give numerous perspectives on what it's all about. Kubrick put so much thought and effort into the details so it's fun to have it all laid out.

everything, Thursday, 18 April 2013 17:30 (seven years ago) link

I saw the 237 trailer the other night--doesn't appear to have been posted yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL1fTlH81gU

Obviously I get the connection to the movie, but I'm not sure why a VCR...is it just that the movie came out around the time videos started to take off? Anyway, great trailer.

clemenza, Thursday, 25 April 2013 01:54 (seven years ago) link

it's about people going nuts from watching the shining a billion times on vhs. the frame rate is incompatible with human cognition.

I have many lovely lacy nightgowns (contenderizer), Thursday, 25 April 2013 02:04 (seven years ago) link

Okay--that helps explain a few things about mom.

clemenza, Thursday, 25 April 2013 11:20 (seven years ago) link

A few doors down the hall; no big deal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsGtXCDu48Y

clemenza, Sunday, 5 May 2013 14:10 (seven years ago) link

What is up with the music in Room 237? It's really bad.

MaresNest, Saturday, 11 May 2013 12:16 (seven years ago) link

whats creepy about that 227 joke is that the other woman is still there behind the curtain

calstars, Saturday, 11 May 2013 12:29 (seven years ago) link

i loved the music in room 237, it fit with the film's whole vibe

gr8080, Saturday, 11 May 2013 12:33 (seven years ago) link

Yikes, calstars.

pplains, Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:19 (seven years ago) link

i know a couple of the people who did the music for room 237 (saw it last night) - i thought it was actually a high point of the film - granted it's almost impossible to compare to Bartok, Ligeti, and Penderecki (from the Shining itself) - but I liked it.

I felt like the structure of the documentary was a bit clunky, and the whole thing was too long, and that it didn't go far enough into absurdity.

You must be very cold in the sack. (sarahell), Saturday, 11 May 2013 20:10 (seven years ago) link

your mom didn't go far enough into absurdity

乒乓, Saturday, 11 May 2013 20:11 (seven years ago) link

please post more enlightening comments! you are such a brilliant poster!

You must be very cold in the sack. (sarahell), Saturday, 11 May 2013 20:14 (seven years ago) link

YOU'RE such a brilliant poster

gr8080, Saturday, 11 May 2013 20:26 (seven years ago) link

didn't read this thread, but feeling hostile vibes from the most recent two comments. fitting, i think.

Treeship, Saturday, 11 May 2013 20:28 (seven years ago) link

i wish we could stay in this thread, forever...and ever...and ever.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 11 May 2013 20:30 (seven years ago) link

xp - one of whom is grady!

You must be very cold in the sack. (sarahell), Saturday, 11 May 2013 20:32 (seven years ago) link

whenever i'm in here, and you hear me typing... or whether you DON'T hear me typing, or whatever the FUCK you hear me doing in here, when i'm IN here, that means i am POSTING. THAT means DON'T COME IN.

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 11 May 2013 20:38 (seven years ago) link

make a cartoon of that and get very internet famous overnight and then drink to forget you did that

not feeling those lighters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 11 May 2013 21:03 (seven years ago) link

^ warming up the autotune

balls, Saturday, 11 May 2013 21:07 (seven years ago) link

how much will you pay me to either name the next aerosmith album that or to not do that

not feeling those lighters (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 11 May 2013 21:09 (seven years ago) link

haha I will contribute $50 towards that venture

gr8080, Saturday, 11 May 2013 21:16 (seven years ago) link

The Shilling

i gave ten pounds and all i got was a lousy * (darraghmac), Saturday, 11 May 2013 21:17 (seven years ago) link

Room 237 is quite something. I'd seen a Jay Weidner film/Q&A two summers ago, so I already knew about all that, but you can definitely become immersed in this film at a level apart from the theories themselves. Keeping the interviews in voiceover was a great decision, and I loved the incorporation of non-Shining clips (mostly but not all from Kubrick films); it sets out to be dreamlike, and I think it is. The impressive thing about the theories is how rarely I found myself thinking, "Oh, please" (the rare egregious example was Ullman's deus ex machina erection). The one I liked best was the idea of "pastness." Not saying I buy any of them, but the theorists pull you in. I also thought the backwards/forwards stuff was a trip--realizing you'd undoubtedly turn up the same amazing juxtapositions with any worthwhile film.

I've seen The Shining enough times by now that I don't think the film will necessarily get any better for me: I'll still love the same things, and still be less enthusiastic about others. But these people are impressive.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 03:58 (seven years ago) link

the numerology one was my favorite! there were 6 cases of 7-up stacked up in the corridor! And that = 42!!!!

You must be very cold in the sack. (sarahell), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 04:12 (seven years ago) link

Did that make the film? (I drifted a couple of times.) I know there was 2 x 3 x 7 = 42.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 04:13 (seven years ago) link

oh, i took a bathroom break in the middle (it was part of a double feature), it was an instance of 42 that I noticed, but maybe it didn't make the film?

You must be very cold in the sack. (sarahell), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 04:15 (seven years ago) link

I don't think it did, but that's good--they need to line you up for Room 237: The Next Generation.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 May 2013 04:17 (seven years ago) link

it's so interesting! i like that it shows how the film, for these people, works more like a mirror reflecting the viewer. you find out a lot more about the people than the movie

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 04:53 (seven years ago) link

xxpost sarahell they do briefly show the stacks of 7-up when they cover some of the "42" theories/patterns

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 05:23 (seven years ago) link

There is a brief homage in iron man 3 where tony fights an extremis warrior in a restaurant kitchen and we get a brief ide glance of a can of Calumet.

UTW, USA, ILX LIFER (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 May 2013 14:10 (seven years ago) link

Found an online version of the original article Steadicam guru Garrett Brown wrote for American Cinematographer back in August of 1980, entitled 'The Steadicam & The Shining'

http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/sk/ac/page2.htm

It's pretty great reading

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 May 2013 23:22 (seven years ago) link

oh that rules vg thanks.

Although Stanley knows an astonishing amount about an astonishing number of things, his grasp of antenna theory is weak. He is, however, a formidable opponent in an argument - with or without the facts - so some bizarre theorems were actually tested and a disturbing number of them actually worked. By switching to various antennas hidden behind the walls, we were finally able to provide Stanley with acceptable remote wireless video nearly anywhere within his sets. To annoy him we would indicate the forest of TV antennas aimed at the studio from suburban Borehamwood and imply that the TV signal was escaping the sound stage and being watched by a gaggle of "Monty Python" women every morning:

"Ooooh, poor Mr Brown!... That take seemed perfectly good to me!"

Somewhat later, our imitation ladies got even more sophisticated:

"Ooh, must be the 24mm Distagon!, see how it's vignetting in the viewfinder!"

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 16 May 2013 23:27 (seven years ago) link

god i would kill for a 24mm distagon

乒乓, Thursday, 16 May 2013 23:28 (seven years ago) link

xpost yeah that cracked me up

and this:

Although he would admit that I could produce a printable take by any reasonable standard within the first few tries, Stanley would seldom respond with anything but derision until about take 14. He did not appear to be comfortable until we were well beyond take 20.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 May 2013 23:29 (seven years ago) link

Now the entire contraption [used for the Big Wheel shot] got to be quite difficult on the high speed corners. Dennis had to enlist relays of runners to get us around the course. Finally we had an explosive tire blow-out and the chair "plummered in", barely avoiding a serious crash. Afterward we switched to solid tires and carried no more than two people.

Stanley contemplated this arrangement and decided that the chair should have a super-accurate speedometer, and while we're at it so should the Moviola dolly and the Elemack.

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 16 May 2013 23:38 (seven years ago) link

lol I like this analogy: The only tricky aspect of shooting from the chair is that starts and stops tend to be dramatic. It is a little like carrying a full punch bowl in a decelerating rickshaw!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 May 2013 23:59 (seven years ago) link

As Danny backs up stepping in his own footprints to fool Jack, I had to back up ahead of him also in bis footprints! To accomplish this I had to wear special stilts with Danny-shoes nailed to the bottom so I wouldn't make the footprints any bigger!

乒乓, Friday, 17 May 2013 00:13 (seven years ago) link

I HAVE ALWAYS WONDERED ABOUT THAT.

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Friday, 17 May 2013 00:28 (seven years ago) link

HOLY SHIT. DANNY-SHOES.

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Friday, 17 May 2013 00:28 (seven years ago) link

so awesome

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 02:05 (seven years ago) link

I watched that Viv Kubrick making-of documentary...I love seeing Kubrick decide to lie on his back under Nicholson for the kitchen show-down when he's shouting through the door at Duvall.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 May 2013 02:06 (seven years ago) link

Garret Brown's commentary on the blu-ray is a delight. Don't know if it's on previous DVD versions, but find a way to watch it if you can.

Huston we got chicken lol (Phil D.), Friday, 17 May 2013 02:22 (seven years ago) link

Somehow I went to see this in Totowa NJ 33 years ago tonight, which is the scariest thing of all.

ballin' from Maine to Mexico (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 May 2013 01:47 (seven years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Finally saw this. Love that it reminds me of 70s-era conspiracy movies. If I was teaching a radical sociology class I would totally show this during "ways of seeing" week.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 21 June 2013 07:54 (seven years ago) link

"But a lot of these movies have been pretty darn good. 'Carrie' was pretty good. Frank Darabont did a great job with 'Shawshank Redemption,' and also with 'The Green Mile.'

"You didn't mention 'The Shining,' " Mason said.

"No, I didn't mention "The Shining,' " replied King.

"You've never been a fan."

"No, I never liked that movie. I always thought that 'The Shining,' the Kubrick version of 'The Shining,' was like this big beautiful Cadillac that had no engine inside of it."

In the film "The Shining," Jack Nicholson plays Jack Torrance, a writer who becomes possessed by the ghosts of a haunted hotel, and tries to kill his wife and son.

"I never liked Shelley Duvall in the Kubrick version; I thought she was just sort of a scream machine," King said. "And there's something very misogynistic about the way she was presented."

He disliked Stanley Kubrick's version so much that he bought back the screen rights, and in 1997 made his own miniseries.

"Part of the deal was that I would not say any more nasty things about the Kubrick version," King explained. "For a long time I hewed that line. And then Mr. Kubrick died. So now I figured, what the hell. I've gone back to saying mean things about it," he laughed.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 1 July 2013 23:21 (seven years ago) link

Moron.

Not Simone Choule (Eric H.), Monday, 1 July 2013 23:21 (seven years ago) link

"I never liked Shelley Duvall in the Kubrick version; I thought she was just sort of a scream machine," King said. "And there's something very misogynistic about the way she was presented."

i've def watched this movie w guys who lol at how stupid or hick-y shelley duvall is (and "any ideas yet?" rly is the worst question ever) but i feel like this is the last horror movie to accuse of misogyny: she saves her life and her little kid's life basically all by herself, through presence of mind and at one point physical strength. feel like what's distracting is that she's shuddering and sobbing the whole way through, but that just shows you how much fear she's up against.

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Monday, 1 July 2013 23:34 (seven years ago) link

like, by the time of the pantry scene, she would have the situation 100% defused and under control if GHOSTS didn't cheat.

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Monday, 1 July 2013 23:35 (seven years ago) link

The Kubrick Shining, more so than the book, isn't an example of misogyny. It is a depiction of misogyny.

Not Simone Choule (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 02:21 (seven years ago) link

it always bummed me out re King/The Shining film. one of my favorite authors, one of my favorite films...

;_; can't we all just get along???

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 02:28 (seven years ago) link

"No, I never liked that movie. I always thought that 'The Shining,' the Kubrick version of 'The Shining,' was like this big beautiful Cadillac that had no engine inside of it."

I mean, for what it's worth, I'd say the film powers along mercilessly, like a ruthlessly efficient machine. It's totally got an engine.

Maybe what we're seeing here is, beyond the obvious authorial jealousy and protectiveness, resentment at film as a medium being able to 'send chills down the spine' in a way that written fiction can't anymore?

I'm thinking of how the unpleasant physical spine-chilling effect of the novel Frankenstein was something critics at the time held against it.

cardamon, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 02:49 (seven years ago) link

I don't remember much about King's miniseries version except coming away with the impression "Well, that sucked."

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 03:31 (seven years ago) link

he's just not very good at knowing what will work on tv/movies

kubrick's adaptation worked because it wasn't precious about what would and would not work on the screen.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 03:59 (seven years ago) link

i can't really resent an author for not liking an adaptation of his work -- i mean, it was HIS book -- but it's really baffling to me that king, a guy who's got like 50,000 shitty movies with his name stuck on them, persists in hating on kubrick's 'shining.'

i seem to recall an older king quote where he said that one of the reasons he didn't like the kubrick film was that it genuinely upset him -- singling out the fact that torrance went after his family with an AXE rather than a croquet mallet, for some reason. weird guy.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 05:37 (seven years ago) link

he's OTM about the de palma 'carrie' -- i assume everyone agrees that's at least the second-best king film, right?

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 05:38 (seven years ago) link

i'm a big fan of Cronenberg's The Dead Zone

Number None, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 09:30 (seven years ago) link

Kubrick said some fairly uncomplimentary things abt King's book - and about 'horror' in general - in the interviews he gave around The Shining, which I'm sure didn't amuse the author much.

IIRC, Burgess was fairly pissed off with Kubrick, too (maybe esp because of 'Stanley Kubrick's Clockwork Orange'-type credits)

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 09:35 (seven years ago) link

Carrie wasn't on King's top 10 list of his favorite King films from a few years back, either. 1408 was.

Moron.

Not Simone Choule (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 11:44 (seven years ago) link

he's OTM about the de palma 'carrie' -- i assume everyone agrees that's at least the second-best king film, right?

Probably... to The Dead Zone.

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 13:46 (seven years ago) link

Maybe what we're seeing here is, beyond the obvious authorial jealousy and protectiveness, resentment at film as a medium being able to 'send chills down the spine' in a way that written fiction can't anymore?

this is preposterous

we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 13:48 (seven years ago) link

but ya so is stephen king re: the shining

we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 13:48 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, we saw Dead Zone again in 35mm a few months back. Walken actually acts in it. I remember finally reading the book a coupla years ago and realizing how perfect it was to get him and Cronenberg to adapt it.

Hockey Drunk (kingfish), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 14:08 (seven years ago) link

I don't mind King hating The Shining film at all - it's an amazing film but any author is probably going to view these things through a really distorted lens. I would rather hear him saying "It's great - totally different from what I did, but a film is its own thing and he hit it out of the park" but I can't really expect him to.

re: Duvall's character - I was totally impressed with all her heroism and getting-it-together in the last act - I think I was just sort of soured on her earlier drippiness, which was just an exaggerated case of the usual horror movie audience response - "no no no GET OUT OF THERE you DOPE what are you DOING, RUN!!!!" It makes total sense, story- and character-wise, that she doesn't run and it really allows it to catch the intense dread and horror of the abusive-husband story as opposed to the creepy haunted mansion story. But it still can be hard to take.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 15:10 (seven years ago) link

the shining's one of king's big books, only the stand definitely looms larger (maybe it), and it has totally been supplanted in the popular imagination from now until the end of time by kubrick's film. having one of yr major works be reduced to little more than a footnote by a larger talent has to suck, some real 'you made it a hot lyrics, i made it a hot song' type thing. throw in usual writer unhappy w/ hollywood adaptation stuff plus artists being horrible judges of their work plus king's often questionable taste in general plus many ppl just not liking the shining period or not finding it scary/effective and it's not weird at all.

balls, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 17:59 (seven years ago) link

i think every living author who got kubrickized wound up getting somewhat pissed off with what he did to their work -- the only ones who seemed fairly contented were clarke and, oddly, nabokov (who actually said there were scenes in kubrick's film he wished he had thought of).

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:12 (seven years ago) link

having one of your major works be reduced to little more than a footnote by a larger talent's lesser works...

Clarke and SK collaborated p closely... "The Sentinel" only has the germ of the plot, then ACC wrote the novel after the script (at least a draft) had been written, right?

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:34 (seven years ago) link

yeah clarke's more a collaborator, i think the '2001' novel was written more or less simultaneously with the script. '2001' is prob closer to being a non-adaptation than any other kubrick film (except 'fear and desire' and 'killer's kiss').

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:37 (seven years ago) link

I remember King talking at length about his problems in an old Playboy interview. Here's a link to the full interview on a PDF file, and some scans of the relevant section:

http://algonquinsidetable.com/1983-playboy-interview-with-stephen-king/

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t427/sayhey1/kubrick1_zps145992ae.png
http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t427/sayhey1/kubrick2_zps14496066.png
http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t427/sayhey1/kubrick3_zpsd1e909fb.png

I'm just the messenger here. The only King novel I ever read was Carrie (after seeing the movie), and I didn't like it nearly as much as the film. I'm sure I'd feel the same way if I were to ever read The Shining, which I won't.

clemenza, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:42 (seven years ago) link

As I've said before -- on this thread -- King doesn't understand his own work at time. Jack Torrance in the novel is a man barely holding it together on p.1. His descent into madness is a very short one.

This amigurumi Jamaican octopus is ready to chill with you (Phil D.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:44 (seven years ago) link

Torrance is a dude with demons in the book, but in The Shining its amazing they even got to the hotel. I enjoy Kubrick's but I can see why King would feel the meat of the story from his pov had been altered if not eradicated. It's like if Johnny Cash did "Hurt" but lived for another decade and told everyone it was about Jesus.

da croupier, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:49 (seven years ago) link

haha ok that's a horrible comparison but still. While the shining mini-series was weak and tv mini-seriesish, I can see why King would prefer the relative modulation of Steven Weber's performance.

da croupier, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:50 (seven years ago) link

still Jack being nutz (as in, pulling faces) from the start has always bored/irritated me.

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:57 (seven years ago) link

King's probably just pissed because they didn't include the evil hedge animals

Number None, Tuesday, 2 July 2013 18:59 (seven years ago) link

i've never quite understood the 'jack is crazy from the start' criticism, the character is obv an abusive asshole but nicholson plays him as more a guy struggling to hold on to his temper than a guy who's out-and-out nuts.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 19:02 (seven years ago) link

i mean, until he actually does go nuts.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 19:03 (seven years ago) link

Which is exactly how he is in the book! The first words in the book are "Officious little prick," describing Jack's thoughts as he sits through his hotel interview with Ullman, who he would like nothing more than to punch in the face.

This amigurumi Jamaican octopus is ready to chill with you (Phil D.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 19:07 (seven years ago) link

Moron.

Not Simone Choule (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 19:32 (seven years ago) link

Pretty sure I linked this upthread, but if you can read this article and still regard The Shining as one of Kubrick's lesser works, then film criticism truly is without point: http://parallax-view.org/2009/10/28/kubricks-shining/

Not Simone Choule (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 19:34 (seven years ago) link

including Kael's 1980 pan, I spose

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 19:56 (seven years ago) link

No.

Not Simone Choule (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 20:01 (seven years ago) link

It's been clear that film criticism truly is without point since the VV poll named Todd Haynes' worst film the best of the '90s.

playwright Greg Marlowe, secretly in love with Mary (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 20:06 (seven years ago) link

Someone should've alerted the media.

Not Simone Choule (Eric H.), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 20:09 (seven years ago) link

who can forget that day

we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Tuesday, 2 July 2013 20:34 (seven years ago) link

Somehow the miniseries doesn't rank at the very bottom of this: http://www.vulture.com/2013/07/all-of-stephen-kings-tv-work-ranked.html

Not Simone Choule (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 15:09 (seven years ago) link

Enh, I haven't seen a lot of those, but mid-pack is about where I'd put TV Shining. I believe I've opined elsewhere, I thought it did an okay job.

New Authentic Everybootsy Collins (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 3 July 2013 15:32 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Never noticed it before, but love the very UK "Games Room" on the door.

it itches like a porky pine sitting on your dick (Phil D.), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 14:20 (seven years ago) link

is that UK? i remember hotels having those as a kid. particularly ones with the addams family pinball game.

we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 15:44 (seven years ago) link

In my humble country, it was called a "Game Room".

Funny how it's like that and yet, we play sports and UK enjoys sport.

pplains, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 15:46 (seven years ago) link

xp, yeah, in Colorado it would certainly have been called a "Game Room."

it itches like a porky pine sitting on your dick (Phil D.), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 15:48 (seven years ago) link

Saw room 237 last night, wow

esperantzen (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 15:50 (seven years ago) link

do you have maths rooms in the US

we're up all night to get (s1ocki), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 16:00 (seven years ago) link

Dude, we don't even have math.

pplains, Wednesday, 24 July 2013 16:01 (seven years ago) link

bro do you even have lifts?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 16:29 (seven years ago) link

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it itches like a porky pine sitting on your dick (Phil D.), Wednesday, 24 July 2013 16:32 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

wau @ jack gettin into character!

what's up ugly girls? (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 21:12 (seven years ago) link

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3flxetmgE1qiz3j8o5_r1_250.gif

me irl

乒乓, Tuesday, 27 August 2013 21:14 (seven years ago) link

i love that making-of

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 21:15 (seven years ago) link

Me, too. It was included in a silver anniversary VHS tape I had years ago so I haven't seen it in a long time.

Lawyer... SUAVE... (carl agatha), Tuesday, 27 August 2013 21:21 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

http://jezebel.com/stephen-king-hates-the-shining-because-it-s-misogynisti-1361182451@laurabeck

Another valiant attempt to reclaim his book's reputation away from the movie's fans.

midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Monday, 23 September 2013 02:46 (seven years ago) link

dude, I like your books. LET IT GO ffs.

Breaking: Stephen King Digs Up Kubrick's Corpse & Skull-Fucks It One More Time

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 23 September 2013 03:01 (seven years ago) link

that article makes a cogent point though

obi wankin' obi (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 23 September 2013 13:10 (seven years ago) link

The wrong one.

You might not be a fan of Stephen King, but if any of his books actually deserves praise for straddling that line between literary and popular fiction, The Shining is definitely it.

Would rank at least four or five of his other books well above The Shining: The Book, but it has been awhile since I've read it.

Conversely, I wouldn't rank a single SK adaptation above Kubrick's film, with the sole possible exception of Carrie.

midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Monday, 23 September 2013 14:15 (seven years ago) link

which one? The one about the movie being terrifying is lol wrong.

xp

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 September 2013 14:17 (seven years ago) link

i find wendy sympathetic in the movie (and, again, really don't buy the 'jack is crazy from the start' criticism).

king's got every right to voice his opinion -- it was his book, after all -- but it is kind of peculiar that he never seems to bother bashing any of the other 90,000 shitty movies that have been made from his work.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 23 September 2013 19:06 (seven years ago) link

most of which have "stephen king's..." in huge letters before the title.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 23 September 2013 19:06 (seven years ago) link

One glance at the list of his top 10 favorite adaptations from his own work confirms: he loves the shitty movies based on his work.

midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Monday, 23 September 2013 19:09 (seven years ago) link

i know this thread is mostly about the movie but this is a thoughtful review of DOCTOR SLEEP, the sequel to the shining--

http://www.vulture.com/2013/09/book-review-stephen-kings-doctor-sleep.html?mid=twitter_vulture

ian, Monday, 23 September 2013 19:12 (seven years ago) link

can't believe he didn't even include 'carrie'! crazy old guy.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 23 September 2013 19:12 (seven years ago) link

Here's hoping King gets forced to deal with Haneke or Von Trier or some other high-profile asshole director for the movie version of Dr. Sleep.

midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Monday, 23 September 2013 19:16 (seven years ago) link

which one? The one about the movie being terrifying is lol wrong.

about the characterisations of jack and wendy. i love the hell out of the movie and don't seek to tear it down, but wendy in particular is nothing like the book wendy (although i wouldn't call her a 'misogynistic character').

obi wankin' obi (Autumn Almanac), Monday, 23 September 2013 22:07 (seven years ago) link

i agree with The Shining being his best stab at lit fic tbh

he's always been quite vocal about preferring shitty film adaptations, but he's been a shitty writer since the early-mid 80s so no surp really

Tyskie in the giro (Noodle Vague), Monday, 23 September 2013 22:12 (seven years ago) link

the faithful tend to incant the words “genius” and “masterpiece” and “great” over and over again, as if those terms constituted the workings of an argument rather than its conclusion.

Any year that didn't see the release of Room 237 and this might've almost passed the smell test.

midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 01:46 (six years ago) link

i think that article is completely wrong, almost line by line, right down to the line about kubrick's supposed "i'm-a-genius stance" (which applies way more to king these days imo).

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 2 October 2013 02:17 (six years ago) link

I wish Salon would just stop.

Darin, Wednesday, 2 October 2013 03:29 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

it finaly hit me that "dull boy" vs. shining and danny's "talent" play off of Jack's own artistic insecurities.

― ryan, Saturday, December 1, 2012 11:44 PM (10 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

danny is also "a very willful boy," playing into the same or similar insecurities

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Thursday, 17 October 2013 04:16 (six years ago) link

Sequel is on the stands, there's an excerpt in the new issue of Cemetery Dance

combination hair (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 28 October 2013 20:33 (six years ago) link

On highways across America, a tribe of people called The True Knot travel in search of sustenance. They look harmless - mostly old, lots of polyester, and married to their RVs. But as Dan Torrance knows, and spunky twelve-year-old Abra Stone learns, The True Knot are quasi-immortal, living off the “steam” that children with the “shining” produce when they are slowly tortured to death.

oh brother

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 28 October 2013 22:40 (six years ago) link

the true NOT morelike

stylings (Matt P), Monday, 28 October 2013 22:41 (six years ago) link

spunky!

When you popped Apollonia, it kinda popped my brain. (weatheringdaleson), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 01:42 (six years ago) link

Just finished watching Room 237.

o_O

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 01:43 (six years ago) link

hmmm, someone among us went to a hotel

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 October 2013 03:17 (six years ago) link

42 photos from the filming of The Shining:

http://imgur.com/a/Ur9Zo

Darin, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 03:19 (six years ago) link

^ nice one. Film critic Alexander Walker v. recognisable in the second picture of the twins.

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 29 October 2013 13:56 (six years ago) link

well, it's not an election, hon. Hasn't at least one of SK's associates been quoted as saying the blockbuster success of The Exorcist was a factor in his search for a horror project after Barry Lyndon?

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2013 15:55 (six years ago) link

You're right. The Shining's status as a classic is no longer up for a vote.

midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Monday, 4 November 2013 16:02 (six years ago) link

lol

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Monday, 4 November 2013 16:04 (six years ago) link

Amazing that a movie about an abusive husband who tries to kill his family with an axe has misogynistic tendencies.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 4 November 2013 16:20 (six years ago) link

boy that next cronenberg sounds like a winner

balls, Monday, 4 November 2013 17:08 (six years ago) link

“In a weird way, although he’s revered as a high-level cinematic artist, I think he was much more commercial-minded and was looking for stuff that would click and that he could get financed," Cronenberg opined. "I think he was very obsessed with that, to an extent that I’m not. Or that Bergman or Fellini were.”

this is pretty self-serving (and ridiculous).

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:11 (six years ago) link

said it before but wendy near-singlehandedly saves her life and her son's life in this movie. the misogyny criticism seems to rest on the notion that she screams and cries too much while doing it. if only there was a word for the belief that a woman's emotions make her stupid and weak.

Masculinity iirc

midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:16 (six years ago) link

yeah there's always been a sense in which those criticisms seem to fault Wendy for not turning into Linda Hamilton or something. like "i find this female character weak and annoying" therefore "this movie is misogynist." but she's totally heroic as dlh points out! just not in the action hero way.

ryan, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:18 (six years ago) link

i mean in reality like 99% of people in that situation, men or women, would find themselves weak-kneed and hysterical too. but she pulls through!

ryan, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:19 (six years ago) link

he's still capable of good stuff but Carpenter is right when he says Cronenberg's crawled up is his own ass a bit too much. (otoh Carpenter is clearly no longer capable of good stuff himself)

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:19 (six years ago) link

I would've co-signed that as of a year ago, but Cosmopolis took me by surprise. (Not that that movie offers any compelling evidence that Cronenberg is NOT up his own ass, obv, but that it's a more compelling form of self-parody than History of Violence or Eastern Promises.)

midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:21 (six years ago) link

you've got to be just about the only person I've heard say they liked that movie. I haven't seen it (I'll probably get around to it at some point), but I liked his previous three well enough to varying degrees. I still laugh about Viggo's delivery of "that's a very Protestant remark".

Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:29 (six years ago) link

If I got to have a 40-year directorial career, the first thing I would do is plan the expansion of my rectum so I could move in.

Cosmopolis and A Dangerous Method are DC's best 1-2 in awhile.

I don't partic find The Shining misogynist.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:30 (six years ago) link

I'm only interested in subletting my rectum.

midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:32 (six years ago) link

Cronenberg's crawled up is his own ass a bit too much.

I was about to say, sounds like a scene from one of his movies.

pplains, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:32 (six years ago) link

(if anyone makes a funnier movie about the Great Recession than Cosmopolis, lmk.)

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 November 2013 18:32 (six years ago) link

Cosmopolis was pretty good i thought. it loses me every time in the last scene though.

ryan, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:34 (six years ago) link

I don't think The Shining is misogynist, either. Jack clearly doesn't have a particularly high opinion of women or Wendy, but he's very much the bad guy. And yeah, Wendy wins, even if she is a noodle arm with a bat.

carl agatha, Monday, 4 November 2013 18:37 (six years ago) link

Feels like the documentary that Vivian Kubrick shot abt the making of The Shining - where Kubrick really loses his temper w/ Shelly Duvall at one point - has bled into ppl's perception of the film, of Duvall being bullied and belittled

Ward Fowler, Monday, 4 November 2013 19:15 (six years ago) link

also: bros worshiping jack

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Monday, 4 November 2013 21:22 (six years ago) link

agree
the movie itself never struck me as misogynist

also this is otm
said it before but wendy near-singlehandedly saves her life and her son's life in this movie. the misogyny criticism seems to rest on the notion that she screams and cries too much while doing it. if only there was a word for the belief that a woman's emotions make her stupid and weak.

sweat pea (La Lechera), Monday, 4 November 2013 21:42 (six years ago) link

also: bros worshiping jack

seemed like the poster of jack making the jack face through the hole in the doorway was second only to travis bickle practicing his aim when it came to dorm room movie posters (travolta and Sam Jackson in pulp fiction up there too.)

christmas candy bar (al leong), Monday, 4 November 2013 21:51 (six years ago) link

Scarface

carl agatha, Monday, 4 November 2013 23:51 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Showed this to the girlfriend last night for the first time. Have we ever mentioned how all of Wendy Carlos' spooky music cues seemed to have been completely nicked by "Ghostbusters?"

Also, if you stream this from Amazon, you get the slightly extended version.

An Android Pug of Some Kind? (kingfish), Tuesday, 19 November 2013 01:52 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

this movie is very cynical about fatherhood

Mordy , Monday, 9 December 2013 03:40 (six years ago) link

said it before but wendy near-singlehandedly saves her life and her son's life in this movie. the misogyny criticism seems to rest on the notion that she screams and cries too much while doing it. if only there was a word for the belief that a woman's emotions make her stupid and weak.

i only just noticed for the first time that when jack is going insane, before he's actually homicidal, wendy has basically taken over all the major responsibilities for the hotel - she's working the boilers to make sure they don't all freeze to death during the storm.

Mordy , Monday, 9 December 2013 03:48 (six years ago) link

isn't that like saying mommie dearest is cynical abt motherhood

a hard dom is good to find (Edward III), Monday, 9 December 2013 04:00 (six years ago) link

Both movies are awesome at moviehood.

Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Monday, 9 December 2013 04:06 (six years ago) link

yes! it's notable that wendy does ALL the work in the hotel, including the work of parenting, but her work is never mentioned. jack's work - talked about so much in the movie, and the whole point of their being there - finally amounts to typing the same complaint about work over and over for pages. def intentional, def important.

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:05 (six years ago) link

i feel sorry for the assistant who actually had to type all those pages

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 10 December 2013 22:21 (six years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Saw Room 237 the night before last - loved it. Went in kind of hoping for total crazies, came out glad that it wasn't actually like that at all (except for moon-landing hoax man). Just revelled in the micro-analysis and pattern-finding.

emil.y, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 21:43 (six years ago) link

Also, this is great:

yes! it's notable that wendy does ALL the work in the hotel, including the work of parenting, but her work is never mentioned. jack's work - talked about so much in the movie, and the whole point of their being there - finally amounts to typing the same complaint about work over and over for pages. def intentional, def important.

― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:05 PM (4 weeks ago)

emil.y, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 21:43 (six years ago) link

OK, the conspiracy guy's thing about the carpet pattern actually made my jaw drop. It proves nothing, but damn.

Otherwise, thought that the moon stuff was actually the weakest part of the film; would have liked either him or the movie to make some kind of link between such a conspiracy and what's going on in the film thematically. The rest of the participants made much stronger arguments for their cases (though the stuff about the genocide of Native Americans was nothing new--I thought this was a fairly common and popular reading of the film).

Inside Lewellyn Sinclair (cryptosicko), Monday, 13 January 2014 06:50 (six years ago) link

MOON ROOM

|$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Monday, 13 January 2014 15:09 (six years ago) link

lool that was the funniest part for me

i'm still impressed by that woman's detailed map of the hotel

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 January 2014 18:16 (six years ago) link

Anybody read the BFI bk on The Shining yet?

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/nov/15/shining-roger-luckhurst-review

Ward Fowler, Monday, 13 January 2014 18:20 (six years ago) link

I'm saving it for a snowy day.

Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Monday, 13 January 2014 18:21 (six years ago) link

two weeks pass...

aw!

pretty reprehensible to use a national enquirer article as yr sole source for where-is-shelley-duvall-now, not that i know where shelley duvall is now

Feel like I would be remiss if I didn't post a link to this Shining tee a local printing company released this month.

http://pizzapartyprinting.com/collections/t-shirt/products/the-shining-t-shirt

how's life, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 22:06 (six years ago) link

his mouth looks totally different, eyeballs the same!
weird

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 22:10 (six years ago) link

tbf he evicted Tony so you'd expect some changes mouth-wise

Ian from Etobicoke (Phil D.), Wednesday, 29 January 2014 23:17 (six years ago) link

lmao

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Thursday, 30 January 2014 04:53 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rNicTi9FWY

hope he spent his money wisely

tonga, Thursday, 30 January 2014 11:26 (six years ago) link

i love that clip so much. he has the best smile

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 31 January 2014 03:09 (six years ago) link

kurbrick selfie

http://postgradproblems.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/e73cc5a7ea318313163f465f4a8e2a43.jpg

balls, Friday, 31 January 2014 03:20 (six years ago) link

that's cute! it's missing a hint of shelley but otherwise perfect.

mambo jumbo (La Lechera), Friday, 31 January 2014 05:37 (six years ago) link

is that his daughter?

|$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:18 (six years ago) link

Yeah, think that's Vivian, who shot the 'Making Of' docu

Ward Fowler, Friday, 31 January 2014 14:20 (six years ago) link

filled with macgruber-esque insanity

the Norwegians are leaving! (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 31 January 2014 16:05 (six years ago) link

oh that's rad. i like where he highlights the explanation of cabin fever and writes "this is the 1st thing the audience will worry about."

driving me crazy that i can't read the note just below that, on jack's unadapted remark about how "a stupid man is more prone to cabin fever": "[something] should say this? it seems [something something something] to say it." it seems like bad job interview technique is what it seems like.

oh it's "ullman should say this".

ullman shouldn't say it tho because the only point of it is to hint (like the "shovel out driveways" fight much later) at how important it is to jack to feel intellectual, like a writer not a hotel caretaker. the line from this page i would have cut out last is jack's question "was he a high school graduate?" anyway nobody ends up saying any of this; good call prob.

No PDF of the annotation? :(

calstars, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:16 (six years ago) link

Talking of "what they look like now":

http://i.imgur.com/1nDQPmv.jpg

https://twitter.com/kubrick_fan/status/428390226545750016/photo/1

Alba, Sunday, 2 February 2014 20:10 (six years ago) link

One of the left looks like Elisabeth Moss, in fact.

Alba, Sunday, 2 February 2014 20:11 (six years ago) link

Ha - they have Twitter and FB pages http://www.facebook.com/ShiningTwins

Alba, Sunday, 2 February 2014 20:13 (six years ago) link

Yeah the one on the left is pretty attractive?

calstars, Monday, 3 February 2014 04:22 (six years ago) link

nice to see both went on to impressive accomplishments.

Lisa earned a degree in literature, and Louise has become a microbiologist.

awesome.

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 3 February 2014 04:33 (six years ago) link

(usually the story concerning child-actors of any sort seems pretty grim).

Daniel, Esq 2, Monday, 3 February 2014 04:34 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

In Room 237, I like the moment of screening The Shining simultaneously from the beginning and end. Would like to see a bunch of movies this way.

That's So (Eazy), Saturday, 22 March 2014 21:42 (six years ago) link

things i hadn't noticed before pt xlviii: the fine print on the sign for THE GOLD ROOM as jack enters cursing at the air advertises "the unwinding hour"

difficult listening hour, Monday, 24 March 2014 06:51 (six years ago) link

Ha, me neither.

Alba, Monday, 24 March 2014 11:25 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.mondotees.com/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 5 May 2014 14:46 (six years ago) link

I totally want the area rug. It's color scheme is pretty much the same as the area rug that I have in my music/guest room right now, so it would fit in perfectly, except I don't know where I'd put the rug I already have.

nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Monday, 5 May 2014 14:56 (six years ago) link

I would actually love that cardigan, but all of these things are so expensive.

emil.y, Monday, 5 May 2014 15:00 (six years ago) link

I really like the sweaters, but don't think I can pull them off

nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Monday, 5 May 2014 15:02 (six years ago) link

I hate to break it to you guys but the pattern they are using is a wrong and lousy knock-off of the original design. But nice try.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 5 May 2014 15:13 (six years ago) link

Looks pretty close to me?

http://www.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/the-shining-carpet1.jpg

emil.y, Monday, 5 May 2014 15:16 (six years ago) link

http://www.mondotees.com/assets/images/237_SkiMask_home.png

This is the pattern used on the clothes. Note the extra lines. Also the black lines are way skinnier.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 5 May 2014 15:23 (six years ago) link

Original pattern is more interlocking, this one looks like someone was tracing that and forgot to remove a layer or two before finalizing.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 5 May 2014 15:24 (six years ago) link

>:(

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 5 May 2014 15:25 (six years ago) link

Sorry to get picky but THIS IS a Kubrick thing, it should be expected.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 5 May 2014 15:25 (six years ago) link

carpet analysis in room 237 was so fun

°ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Monday, 5 May 2014 15:28 (six years ago) link

Carpet analysis ITT, not so much

nitro-burning funny car (Moodles), Monday, 5 May 2014 18:55 (six years ago) link

Those are much more accurate. The lines should all be thicker, but we're getting closer.

It's not easy ripping off Kubrick's production designer.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 5 May 2014 19:26 (six years ago) link

the continuous lines are key.

ryan, Monday, 5 May 2014 19:28 (six years ago) link

socks remind me of bacon a little bit.

pplains, Monday, 5 May 2014 21:20 (six years ago) link

i'm unhappy with the coloring of the socks

NEXT

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 5 May 2014 21:22 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

Ok this is pretty impressive: https://twitter.com/JordanPeele/status/484153672369061888

Fiddler on a hot tin roof (ed.b), Tuesday, 8 July 2014 04:42 (six years ago) link

wait what is the woman in the red dress??

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 02:19 (six years ago) link

this scene:

http://i.imgur.com/XgQ6sMv.jpg

°ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Wednesday, 9 July 2014 17:58 (six years ago) link

ohhhh

1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Thursday, 10 July 2014 14:19 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

http://37.media.tumblr.com/3acb66ba0d42127953997bbf8a86565c/tumblr_naddazLW381r858p5o1_1280.jpg

The lobby of the newly re-opened and renovated Alamo Drafthouse Cinema on South Lamar in Austin, Texas pays clever homage to The Shining.

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 01:04 (six years ago) link

They also redesigned the bar next door with a bunch of themed karaoke rooms including a Twin Peaks black lodge room.

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 01:19 (six years ago) link

that's right on the edge of BACON ZOMBIES lololol but quality shines anyway

great, between that and bringing the damn food in during the movie no need for me to ever set foot in that place again.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 16:55 (six years ago) link

have you been to Alamo Drafthouse before? Bringing food in during movies is their entire raison d'etre. They're a pretty great chain of theaters too. I understand the irritation with having your movie experience interrupted, although they go to great lengths to make sure this isn't the case. But they do a lot more to promote the cause of cinema (all kinds) than most movie chains.

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 17:23 (six years ago) link

http://www.tentacl.com/site/image/?id=dfffe9e795656757c5e4df034092808f_o.gif&v=1401282333

― Atp Fin (wins), Friday, August 15, 2014 6:38 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ienjoyhotdogs, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 17:30 (six years ago) link

seems unnecessary despite your professed enjoyment of hot dogs

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 17:32 (six years ago) link

;)

ienjoyhotdogs, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 17:32 (six years ago) link

Without seeing the gif, thought Moodles was making that joke about the hallway.

pplains, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 17:39 (six years ago) link

have you been to Alamo Drafthouse before? Bringing food in during movies is their entire raison d'etre

I have been, once, and their raison d'etre sucks

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 18:36 (six years ago) link

even with the food service I think my experiences there have been consistently better than any other theater I've been to regularly.

ryan, Tuesday, 19 August 2014 19:00 (six years ago) link

yeah, I've seen many movies there over the years and have nothing but good things to say about them, but I can understand their approach not being for everyone.

odd proggy geezer (Moodles), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 19:53 (six years ago) link

the raisin d'etre sucks, but the duck d'etre is to die for

I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 19 August 2014 20:13 (six years ago) link

aren't they also like violently against texting in movies etc? sounds like they're the good guys.

socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 21:48 (six years ago) link

i mean to complain about a theater like that, so obviously passionate about their love of movies, in an era when there are so few good and independent screens left is very... i dunno... ilx

socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 21:49 (six years ago) link

that said, if nobody ever posted anything about stanley kubrick on the internet ever again, i wouldnt mind

socki (s1ocki), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 21:49 (six years ago) link

eat a meal or watch a film. decide.

son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 22:01 (six years ago) link

eat a film

Mordy, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 22:06 (six years ago) link

Eat a watch.

It's Autumn Sunrise (Eric H.), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 22:11 (six years ago) link

I've never understood the fondness for popcorn in cinemas. I'm not a fan of the taste, the smell or the sound it makes.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 22:17 (six years ago) link

you don't have to eat a whole meal. I usually just get a soft pretzel and a milkshake and track the progress of my stomach ache throughout the movie.

ryan, Wednesday, 20 August 2014 22:17 (six years ago) link

Cheap to make, keeps a log time, pure profit.

It's Autumn Sunrise (Eric H.), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 22:20 (six years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JXmUSMPUpA

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 22:35 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

Jersey City movie palace party

http://www.loewsjersey.org/films/95-the-shining-nite-masquerade

this horrible, rotten slog to rigor mortis (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 October 2014 11:40 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Noticed Room 237 on YouTube. You probably wouldn't want to watch it for the first time there, but may be useful for watching certain parts again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y18NlwTHGoQ

clemenza, Monday, 10 November 2014 23:07 (five years ago) link

You probably wouldn't want to watch it for the first time there, but may be useful for watching certain parts again.

thanks for the head's up.

pplains, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 01:10 (five years ago) link

Excellent film. Not sure why you wouldn't want to watch it (unless you have strong negative feelings about The Shining itself--I guess I could see that).

clemenza, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 01:18 (five years ago) link

I enjoyed the movie. I don't know if I want to spend any of my time hearing how it's really all about the faked moon landing.

Anyway, I'll be sure not to watch it on YouTube if I ever do feel the need to see it for a first time.

pplains, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 01:27 (five years ago) link

pplains, it's worth your time and i wouldn't argue against seeing it on the teevee
you're not obliged to buy into the conspiracy theories or take them seriously.

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 01:42 (five years ago) link

The moon landing stuff is, what, 10-15 minutes of the film? The other readings in the film are a lot more plausible, or at the very least, less maddening.

MaudAddam (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 01:48 (five years ago) link

i like the shining but i got tired of listening to poorly recorded phone conversations about it after 20-30 minutes

da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 01:55 (five years ago) link

if you don't mind eavesdropping on skypes through a wall the visual gags are pretty great, i'll admit

da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 01:58 (five years ago) link

I think I said it upthread somewhere, but I actually kind of wanted it to be loonies (even though I felt bad about wanting it to be loonies), but was very happy at the end that actually the vast majority of people were not painted as crazy at all... if anything, they're just good critical minds who got stuck on a singular reading. Aside from moon-landing guy.

emil.y, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 02:10 (five years ago) link

That post is a little garbled but I am quite drunk. Sorry.

emil.y, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 02:11 (five years ago) link

the spectrum of spectatorship

more intriguing theme than the Timelessness of Evil or whatev

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 03:06 (five years ago) link

it feels more like 'presented for your consideration: a catalogue of ~thoughts~ about The Shining' than a lol omg look at these wackos, which I very much appreciated

I mean, you can laugh and point at pretty much all of them in their own way, but the filmmaker mostly lets you do that on your own.

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 03:29 (five years ago) link

yeah.

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 04:11 (five years ago) link

Room 237 is a great watch.

joni mitchell jarre (dog latin), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 11:49 (five years ago) link

Wish it had done a better job of exploring the gulf between "Stanley Kubrick was a GENIUS and EVERYTHING meant SOMETHING even the TYPEWRITER MODEL" and "Stanley Kubrick should have fired his continuity person and set dresser."

Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:35 (five years ago) link

I really liked the part about the layout of the Overlook. That's my favorite kind of fan obsession, really - taking what's clearly there, whether it's intentional or not, and working out the meaning/impact of it on the film (or book or song or whatever else) in great, specific detail.

carl agatha, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:56 (five years ago) link

it really taps into, what i like to think of as 'ultimate art' i.e. the unattainable idea that, as Phil D says, that everything constituting a particular piece of artwork is there for a reason and that all elements exist in symbiosis with each other with nothing left out and nothing included by accident or for unnecessary purpose. I don't believe even Kubrick could achieve this, but it's a thought I like to entertain whenever I come across anything I find myself obsessing over.

joni mitchell jarre (dog latin), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:11 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

Watched the whole thing for the first time in a really long time. Didn't realize that most of Danny's face shots was basically just this over and over:

http://i.imgur.com/OZGQepA.jpg

Also, maybe this is a very common observation, but I had never noticed that the elevators, with the floor dials, are also making that "Kubrick" face.

http://i.imgur.com/ubMyz9P.jpg http://i.imgur.com/OZGQepA.jpg

pplains, Monday, 15 December 2014 06:08 (five years ago) link

Whoops

http://i.imgur.com/ubMyz9P.jpg

pplains, Monday, 15 December 2014 06:09 (five years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/ADwnbJN.jpg

pplains, Monday, 15 December 2014 06:10 (five years ago) link

four months pass...
one month passes...

New movie from the director of Room 237 sounds really interesting: http://thedissolve.com/reviews/1633-the-nightmare/

Immediate Follower (NA), Friday, 5 June 2015 16:07 (five years ago) link

three weeks pass...

http://i.imgur.com/JFrfdl1.jpg

, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 12:10 (five years ago) link

The only shot from that take.

pplains, Tuesday, 30 June 2015 16:29 (five years ago) link

two months pass...

"(T)his maze of juniper trees disappointed some visitors."
Fine caption.

ah, hell, stupid username gets in the way of my stupid message

Wait til they read the book and realize it was animals, not a maze.

Norse Jung (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 12:48 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

do you have the SLIGHTEST I-DEA what a MORAL OR ETHICAL PRINCIPLE IS? DO YOU?

playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Friday, 30 October 2015 00:01 (four years ago) link

then: a gesture to the diffuse snowy light above him, an expression of terrible pain at the thought of disappointing the hotel

playlists of pensive swift (difficult listening hour), Friday, 30 October 2015 00:02 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

one of my favorite Polish movie posters:

http://150597036.r.cdn77.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/shining41.jpg

빨간 럼 ఎరుపు రమ్ רום אדום (Eisbaer), Monday, 25 January 2016 05:27 (four years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/P38VKsz.jpg
thank you

rip van wanko, Monday, 25 January 2016 05:41 (four years ago) link

this is.... something:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i17pORf_iE4

Darin, Wednesday, 27 January 2016 01:41 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

A production electrician speaks:

One time Jack said he had done his back in and needed a few days off. That’s a lot of time when you’re shooting a big film, but Stanley said okay. The next day we were in the sparks room watching Wimbledon when Stanley walks in. He asks what we’re up to and as he turns to look at the telly, there he is: Jack Nicholson sat in the crowd with a girl on either side. Stanley went mad....

It was a small crew and he used us for bit parts. Because they rarely shoot leading artists when you can’t see their face, he said to me: “You look like Jack – put on the jeans and boots.” In the film, when a semi-conscious Jack is dragged into the food store, those are my legs on screen. He asked me to be the guy in a bear suit with his arse hanging out and his head in a man’s lap at the end. But I said: “No, mate, I ain’t having that.” Could you imagine? Everyone at home saying: “That’s Bobby Tanswell.” Nope, sorry.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/apr/24/a-brush-with-jack-nicholson-stanley-kubrick-the-shining-1979

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 April 2016 14:57 (four years ago) link

I'd never seen this, but it's clever/cute:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jBgaX0ErGU

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 May 2016 17:55 (four years ago) link

Was visiting my parents over the weekend and recognized the Overlook carpet pattern in their doormat.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u120/kingkonggodzilla/20160430_130323_zpsnypwgquc.jpg

They've had the mat for years, but I just never made the connection. It definitely predates the patterns recent baconing.

how girl's (how's life), Monday, 2 May 2016 18:06 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I'm sorry to defer with you sir. But you are the caretaker.

calstars, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 01:13 (four years ago) link

It always throws me off when Grady uses the word 'nigger.' What the place has male, white racist ghosts? This doesn't support the "built on an indian burial ground" reference.

calstars, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 01:17 (four years ago) link

Unless the ghosts are all figments of Jack's imagination - as is implied when Wendy disrupts Jack's drunken holiday with Lloyd at the empty bar.

calstars, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 01:18 (four years ago) link

Or perhaps the ghosts are real, as is supported by the unlocking of the storeroom to free Jack, and they just take the form of whatever has been in Jack's experience, his understanding of the world, and his desires.

calstars, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 01:20 (four years ago) link

Those desires being alcohol, sex, and violence

calstars, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 01:21 (four years ago) link

...embodied by Lloyd, the woman in room 237, and Grady

calstars, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 01:24 (four years ago) link

What the place has male, white racist ghosts? This doesn't support the "built on an indian burial ground" reference.

the force haunting the hotel isn't the force that resides in indian burial grounds. it's the force that builds things on top of them.

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 04:34 (four years ago) link

all the best people.

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 04:34 (four years ago) link

me on this subject years upthread:

jack's a blue-collar white guy with cultured aspirations who's feeling humiliated economically (SHOVELING OUT DRIVEWAYS, WORK IN A CAR WASH -- ANY OF THAT APPEAL TO YOU?), and furthermore resents that what he at least hopes was an accident with his son's arm a few years ago has made it necessary for him to stop drinking and be really contrite and feel further unmanned, and is seduced on one level by an Evil Supernatural Power, in the form of a bunch of well-dressed whites having a perpetual power-drenched cocktail party in a luxury hotel built on a conquered graveyard (nice touch: "i believe they actually had to fend off a few indian attacks while they were building it!"); and on another level just by the ability, up there in the snow, to show his family who's boss. he gets drunk on this nasty fantasy of privilege that's built on bones, and when the hotel needs to spur him on it suggests to him that he's not Man enough to do his job and that his son feels safer around an n-word than around his father.

also wanna repost this description, from an essay eric h posted, of nicholson's repetition of the word, in

a tone that suggests he is not used to considering negritude an offense, is on the verge of disbelieving laughter, and yet is also fascinated by the new ripple of self-congratulating possibility here.

later, throwing himself into the possibility, he murders scatman crothers with an axe and unless i'm mistaken it's at this moment and no earlier that the ambient demonic whispery chanting kicks in on the soundtrack. then: the chilling climax, as jack casts his vote for trump.

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 04:52 (four years ago) link

and yes: are the ghosts real? are they hallucinations? are they metaphors?whichever is most plausible to you the fundamental explanation is always the same: sometimes, when something happens, it leaves a trace of itself behind. i think a lot of things happened right here, in this very hotel/household/country, over the years. and not all of em was good.

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 05:21 (four years ago) link

so on sundays, i work as a projectionist for both a matinee and an evening show, between which the 90-year-old movie theater is cleared and locked and the rest of the staff leaves and i hang out, alone, for a couple hours in the empty theater before the night staff arrives, with the projector and the sound system and the ah blu-ray player still online because i've been told not to shut them down until we close for the night, and, uh, don't tell anyone, but today, i

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Monday, 23 May 2016 04:03 (four years ago) link

rip

circa1916, Monday, 23 May 2016 04:07 (four years ago) link

dad? do you like this hotel?

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Monday, 23 May 2016 04:09 (four years ago) link

difficult listening hour on this subject years upthread otm

da vinci beaver testicles (contenderizer), Monday, 23 May 2016 06:38 (four years ago) link

ran a local movie this morning for some middle schoolers on a field trip, about an arrogant haole-boy champion surfer who wipes out during a competition in waikiki and warps to 1911, where he's rescued by and befriends duke kahanamoku and in becoming one of duke's crew (under the name "ghost") learns the true meaning of surfing. at the end, back in the present against his will, he visits the waikiki restaurant duke's, where his pov gives the movie its final shot: a slow dolly in on a framed b&w photograph of duke and buddies standing with monogrammed surfboards, GHOST gazing out alongside them. haha

le Histoire du Edgy Miley (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 26 May 2016 04:40 (four years ago) link

this is insane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AupAFblRwgY
drag your mouse to move

ulysses, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 19:27 (four years ago) link

Is this something I should watch using one of those virtual reality headgear things?

calstars, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 19:35 (four years ago) link

i didn't! i also didn't watch for more than five minutes but skip around!

ulysses, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 19:36 (four years ago) link

whoa

circa1916, Tuesday, 31 May 2016 19:45 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

Just found this on the street!

http://i.imgur.com/UtURBFW.jpg

calstars, Wednesday, 3 August 2016 23:36 (four years ago) link

four months pass...

Didn't like Room 237 quite as much the second time. There was one guy--his theory was vaguer than the others, and he had a habit of pausing and then laughing at his own commentary (the guy with a son who was out of work)--who started to get on my nerves. The most compelling theory to me is the Native American one, which I notice is proposed in this thread's very first post.

clemenza, Sunday, 18 December 2016 20:45 (three years ago) link

native american thing is compelling cuz it's just a theme in the movie like any other theme in any other movie. i don't think it's the center but it's there and it harmonizes w other themes. the other theories are occult+totalizing and (at least in the case of the moon landing) seem to involve the movie Actually being about something that has nothing to do w what it's pretending to be about, which is a less impressive concept to me than, yknow, a successful piece of art.

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 18 December 2016 20:54 (three years ago) link

Just found this on the street!

🗻

scarier than the movie iirc

Iago Galdston, Sunday, 18 December 2016 21:26 (three years ago) link

i passed Garrett Brown, inventor of the Steadicam, on his way into the Linc Ctr cinema last night. (ie he ran behind Danny in the maze)

no one tell clemenza

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 December 2016 03:45 (three years ago) link

(ie he ran behind Danny in the maze)

wearing, never forget, danny-shoes

difficult listening hour, Monday, 19 December 2016 03:46 (three years ago) link

you can still see The Shining in 35mm on NYE in NYC.

http://www.filmlinc.org/series/going-steadi-40-years-of-steadicam/#films

It is, of course, almost the worst film in that series.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 December 2016 03:52 (three years ago) link

Xanadu must be much better than I've been led to believe.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Monday, 19 December 2016 04:17 (three years ago) link

Didn't like Room 237 quite as much the second time. There was one guy--his theory was vaguer than the others, and he had a habit of pausing and then laughing at his own commentary (the guy with a son who was out of work)--who started to get on my nerves.

― clemenza, Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:45 PM (eight hours ago)

Nah, that guy is awesome. His theories on the syncs, the wipes, the dissolves, and the forwards and backwards theory was incredibly compelling. Plus the Playgirl mag.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 19 December 2016 05:24 (three years ago) link

The one who annoyed me was the architect (?) who claimed to have been mind-blown by the layout of the Overlook the first time she saw the film. Not because she didn't have something interesting to say, but rather because I sincerely doubt that even someone who is fascinated by architecture would notice a minor structural oddity on a first viewing.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Monday, 19 December 2016 05:27 (three years ago) link

The masterstroke in this is when the babe in the bathtub becomes sick grandma. Nothing is more frightening to the male psyche than the realization that all flesh is mortal.

calstars, Monday, 19 December 2016 23:16 (three years ago) link

? I thought that might have been the professor in the film, but it's not...The course he teaches is Bio137!

clemenza, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 14:55 (three years ago) link

it's the kid in The Shining

heaven parker (anagram), Tuesday, 20 December 2016 15:01 (three years ago) link

eleven months pass...

stephen king: listen this hotel is fucked up
stanley kubrick: indeed, if these walls could talk, we walk around looking the other way from the suffering, death and horror that takes root in our lives, the foundations our society is built upon
stephen king: NO THE HOTEL IS EVIL

— i'm camille! (@_girltype) December 6, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 December 2017 15:56 (two years ago) link

hee

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 December 2017 01:07 (two years ago) link

still think Jack & co. would have fared better at a la Quinta or Best Western

fuiud, mac (rip van wanko), Friday, 8 December 2017 01:57 (two years ago) link

“All the best people”

calstars, Friday, 8 December 2017 02:55 (two years ago) link

I remember one of the HS friends i saw it with opening night called Barry Nelson (Ullman) "Reagan."

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 December 2017 03:01 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

2 20s and 2 10s
I was afraid
They’d be there til
next April

calstars, Sunday, 25 March 2018 02:24 (two years ago) link

and all the irreparable harm it's caused me.

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 25 March 2018 02:30 (two years ago) link

They’d be there
Til next April

calstars, Sunday, 25 March 2018 02:44 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVlXbS0SNqk

MaresNest, Thursday, 5 July 2018 10:58 (two years ago) link

exposing the eeriness inherent in hotels

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:23 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

New Pogo track is based on The Shining

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8pptpmkHXg

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 23 September 2018 20:27 (two years ago) link

That footage from the Japanese paranormal investigations TV show crew filming Elstree and interviewing Vivian and Stanley (on the phone) is a delight from start to finish, including the soundless car journey through West London and up to Borehamwood.

The YouTube comments are almost entirely highly positive, although I guess probably consist mainly of middle aged men remarking on how captivating watching 20 year old Vivian talk is. Well, fair enough I'spose.

the sun-dried raisins of muesli (Noel Emits), Monday, 24 September 2018 11:40 (two years ago) link

Link?

calstars, Monday, 24 September 2018 11:46 (two years ago) link

MareSnest links it above.

the sun-dried raisins of muesli (Noel Emits), Monday, 24 September 2018 11:49 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

we were watching this tnite for halloween and it's amazing how fresh + relevant it feels today maybe more than ever

Mordy, Thursday, 1 November 2018 04:55 (one year ago) link

especially wild when you recall how reviled it was on release

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 1 November 2018 04:57 (one year ago) link

when something happens it can leave a trace of itself behind

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 1 November 2018 06:04 (one year ago) link

i need to watch this again soon

macropuente (map), Thursday, 1 November 2018 06:16 (one year ago) link

Say someone burns toast...

calstars, Thursday, 1 November 2018 08:35 (one year ago) link

Someone burns toast.

a butt, at which the shaft of ridicule is daily glanced (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 November 2018 11:52 (one year ago) link

after I picked up a copy on DVD recently so I can make mk2 watch it, someone pointed me to this interesting analysis re the trike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNvXaubxzrE&feature=youtu.be

never noticed these things before, but then I don't when watching a film.
I just watch it, and then move on, but this film has a lot of subtle on screen clues as to whats going on.
Was Stanley really this subtle, or, just careless re the trike ?

mark e, Thursday, 1 November 2018 13:29 (one year ago) link

video isn't working can u give another link

Mordy, Thursday, 1 November 2018 13:43 (one year ago) link

ooops, sorry.

https://youtu.be/xNvXaubxzrE

mark e, Thursday, 1 November 2018 13:45 (one year ago) link

I still revile it.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 November 2018 13:59 (one year ago) link

I mean, as its director's worst post-Fear and Desire film goes, it's still pretty in-te-res-ting.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 November 2018 14:01 (one year ago) link

i don't buy that the changes are bc some of the film is taking place in the novel and some isn't. more likely explanation for the continuity changes imo -assuming they're intentional and not errors- is that the hotel itself manipulates and shifts reality. the film's emotional core doesn't work if it's a fantasy. if he's a successful writer fantasizing about murdering his family it brings too much of the subtext into the text - it's not a secret that the novel is about steven king's own struggles with anger, fear of his own capacity for violence, his own fears + anxieties vis-a-vis his work (he returns to themes of writer's block over and over again in his novels). to say that's actually the text of the film moves us too far away imo from the horror by fictionalizing it w/in the fiction. but we don't have that much distance in the film - these things are really happening. instead read the continuity errors like you do the impossible interior architecture - subliminal hints that something is /wrong/.

Mordy, Thursday, 1 November 2018 14:07 (one year ago) link

instead read the continuity errors like you do the impossible interior architecture - subliminal hints that something is /wrong/.

I totally agree with this.
Sometimes people read too much into things.

mark e, Thursday, 1 November 2018 14:19 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

Lisa and Louise Burns posing outside the wardrobe department right before filming their iconic Shining hallway scene. [1979] pic.twitter.com/O8VwOdOe0l

— 📷🎥 (@moodvintage) April 15, 2019

Mordy, Monday, 15 April 2019 17:25 (one year ago) link

I used to follow the twins on Facebook and it was really delightful, just endless travel pictures of them smiling while visiting different museums and landmarks

One Eye Open, Monday, 15 April 2019 18:01 (one year ago) link

love the hand-lettered wardrobe sign.

andrew m., Monday, 15 April 2019 18:29 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

Grady makes an appearance in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom

calstars, Saturday, 11 May 2019 22:01 (one year ago) link

Speculation that a new 4K HD disc of The Shining will include the hospital coda:

https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2019/05/16/the-4k-disc-of-the-shining-kubrick-alternate-ending

Ward Fowler, Friday, 17 May 2019 12:50 (one year ago) link

SUprisingly bad movie lobby poster

https://gizmodo.com/kubrick-and-bass-intense-creative-process-making-the-sh-1618114464

| (Latham Green), Friday, 17 May 2019 14:19 (one year ago) link

these might not work promottionally (and don't capture the film's vibe) but I actually really like these!

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:23 (one year ago) link

I’ve read the coda as (part of the screenplay as I recall) and i think SK was right to cut it. Couple of caps and a link to the script :
https://lostmediaarchive.fandom.com/wiki/The_Shining_(Deleted_Ending_Scene)

calstars, Friday, 17 May 2019 16:28 (one year ago) link

I'm glad so far there has been resistance to the idea of The Shining 2: Danny Returns

| (Latham Green), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 17:04 (one year ago) link

Yeah something tells me that will not be another blade runner 2046

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 17:08 (one year ago) link

I saw the hospital scene in 1980. It's superfluous and confuses things (even further).

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 17:09 (one year ago) link

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

| (Latham Green), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 17:04 (one year ago) link

Danny isn't here Mr Green

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 17:29 (one year ago) link

Red ROM!

http://www.toysyouhad.com/Rom.htm

| (Latham Green), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 17:41 (one year ago) link

https://youtu.be/2msJTFvhkU4

Roz, Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:34 (one year ago) link

...

I had no idea about this! It looks like it could be very terrible haha.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:41 (one year ago) link

mike flanagan! that... makes me more hopeful than it should

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:43 (one year ago) link

then again i never watched his adaptation of gerald's game

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:45 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I would normally not be onboard a Shining sequel starring Ewan McGregor, but Mike Flanagan's involvement makes me interested.

King predictably hates it already, tweeting this instead lol.

How about Netflix bringing back UNDER THE DOME, only starting from scratch and actually doing the book?

— Stephen King (@StephenKing) June 13, 2019

Roz, Thursday, 13 June 2019 16:59 (one year ago) link

King's hatred of a movie adaptation of his work is about the only sure-fire way to pique my interest, especially if it's related to The Shining.

zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Thursday, 13 June 2019 17:00 (one year ago) link

Always a good sign when the trailer for your sequel relies almost entirely on famous clips from the original movie, plus modern actors re-enacting iconic shots from the original movie. What could possibly go wrong?

One Eye Open, Thursday, 13 June 2019 17:08 (one year ago) link

haha, the Kubrick shots are in painful contrast with the "made-for-netlix" lighting on all the sequel footage.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 13 June 2019 17:12 (one year ago) link

I'm honestly kind of surprised that a trailer for a Shining sequel where a super handsome movie star furrows his brow and dramatically says "I always called it... THE SHINING" hasn't already been done on Mr Show or FunnyOrDie or something

One Eye Open, Thursday, 13 June 2019 17:18 (one year ago) link

This looks bad but then again trailers are bad but then again Flanagan will do everything he can to walk the line between reverence for kubrick’s film and fidelity to king’s crappy sequel novel, which will be bad

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Thursday, 13 June 2019 17:26 (one year ago) link

trailers are the least bad thing of all those things

mark s, Thursday, 13 June 2019 17:28 (one year ago) link

I agree and I really don’t like trailers

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Thursday, 13 June 2019 17:29 (one year ago)