What movie is most likely to get caught in your challopian tube?

Hmm probably Titanic or Crash (not the Cronenberg one) for me. I can't remember why but I had high hopes for Titanic and left the theater not just disappointed but positively embittered. I vowed to never watch another James Cameron film ever. And Crash is just Crash... a rape-o saves one of his victims from a burning car. Might make a good News of the Weird item but is that a story that even merits retelling... and to think, someone made it up. OK there's been enough Crash-bashing on this site huh.

Juno and I've never seen it

Higher Learning

of stuff I saw in the theater, I don't think anything actively pissed me off as much as American Beauty

Yeah I heard a 30 second clip of Juno on NPR and u rite

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would you just look at this!

Buffalo 66.

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I don't understand all of the Crash hate on ILX. Great movie? No. Oscar worthy? Hell to the no. Overdramatic with reliance on way too many cliches? Of course. I still thought it was a midly entertaining flick, not worth tossing up there as one of the worst movies of all time though.

For me, Battlefield Earth. I'm still pissed I paid money to sleep through that.

It is a tie between Equilibrium and this piece of shit, which I watched about 30 minutes of the other night because we lived in Greensboro, NC when it was filmed and David Faustino and Estella Warren (I think it was her) used to work out in my gym and Carey Elwes ate in the restaurant where I worked all the time:

http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/article/762/762874/national-lampoons-pucked-20070305030012679-000.jpg

It was brutally, horribly bad.

American Beauty infuriated me...I was livid by the time I had left the theater. Still do not understand the love for it.

Crash is probably a close second.

They bring out my inner Annie Wilkes: HAVE YOU PEOPLE ALL GOT AMNEEEEESIA??? HE DIDN'T GET OUT OF THE COCKADOODIE CAR!!

hate pretty much anything this guy has written/directed/starred in
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lol at "wild promise"

it's hard for me to think of anything I hate that much because I don't have to watch anything and am pretty choosey about what I bother to go see in a theater. but as far as big disappointments go, the Hitchhiker's Guide movie was pretty damn bad. For rentals, I think the Changeling was the most recent movie that I watched all the way through, hating every minute of it.

Leaving Las Vegas. I'd like it better if everyone just went ahead and killed themselves ten minutes in and saved me the remaining 90 minutes or whatever to get on with something else.

Closer.

Crash is a very close second for me too, though. xp

gosh so many, but i'll go with Full Monty

Crash is definitely a contender for this honor.

i have a thread for you, tylerw
Defend the Indefensible: Edward Burns

I mean, with all of the incompetent dreck out there, it'd be a stretch to say that Crash was, like, the worst film ever. But it's definitely one of the most recent films to make me feel angry and insulted and hateful towards it. Me And You And Everyone We Know is another. I think maybe because they're both so self-satisfied and smug and enamoured of their own magic?

"DO YOU SEE?!?"

I bet that Tucker Max movie would be a contender if I bothered to watch it.

Punchdrunk Love.

Lost in Translation. Never seen it. American Beauty = abominable, 2nd. Transformers 3rd, and if the newer Transformers is as bad as I hear then throw that one in too.

mmmmorbius

dammit jel beat me to it

Love that movie. :(

how he went boogie nights - PDL - TWBB is completely and utterly beyond my comprehension, it's like aliens abducted him for a year

Could we maybe just talk about movies we hate because we've actually seen them, please? We get enough "I hate this movie that I've never seen and have no intention of seeing!" in every other film thread. Thanks.

Contact (or basically anything else by Zemeckis)

Can we talk about movies we only watched half of and then turned off?

i hated cache at the time but i don't know how i'd feel now

forest gump edging out american beauty for me

Seriously, I did not need to see any more of Pucked to know that it was a dead end street.

But considering movies that I've seen all the way through that I had some positive expectation towards only to find myself betrayed and angry once I paid money to see it, I think There's Something About Mary would be pretty high up there. I also found House of 1000 Corpses to be pretty head-clutchingly bad.

oh btw my real actual answer is jointly held by 'a perfect storm' and 'apollo 13'

Apollo 13?

Huh.

Clerks

Can we talk about movies we only watched half of and then turned off?

At least you made the effort, y'know?

I thoroughly prepared myself to hate Juno, and I kinda did hate the beginning of it, but I thought it was okay once it relaxed and stopped trying so hard to impress me.

juno was totally inoffensive for the most part and reasonably watchable

Star Wars, for its influence on American film. On its own terms, I like it. But I think it was the turning point when studios discovered that they could make huge returns by marketing films directed solely towards pre-teens and teenagers.

The second half of Juno was pretty solid, I thought. I can see how it would make a bad first impression.

(Don't) try sitting through this sometime:

http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/film_review.asp?ID=3341

A Perfect Storm and Apollo 13? Those are as inoffensive and mainstream as modern films get. I can understand maybe seeing through their more emotionally manipulative aspects, but hating them? That just means you have too much animosity towards the world in the first place.

your second sentence is onto something!

That Tony & Tina thing was playing below the Second City Training Center for the better part of a year, and it always looked and sounded suuuuuuuper obnoxious.

but the "play" was AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION! what a property to make into a film!

Hey, they're making films of a wide array of Milton Bradley board games. Seems like anything's fair game at this point, however little sense it makes.

you know what, I think I hated forrest gump even more than forest gump

Well, let me tell you: don't even bother with Forrrest Gump. Although Forrrrest Gump was actually pretty good.

Fight Club. Hate it so damn much.

Nothing brings me closer to ILX than it's blanket condemnation (or thereabouts) of Crash.

Requiem for a Dream

not quite blanket condemnation (where's Dan...)

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In terms of wishing the characters were killed in the first fifteen minutes thus ending the movie: "The Strangers," "Saving Private Ryan," "Boogie Nights," "Apollo 13," "Forrest Gump," "American Pie 2," "Spice World," and "It's a Wonderful Life."

A special kind of loathing is reserved for "Southland Tales."

Watchmen. Ergh, 3 hours of bad speeches, absolutely no fun, 4 penii, just everything wrong wrong wrong. Have to hate movies that could be potentially great and fuck up in every single way more than movies that were always going to be crappy.

If The Fountain didn't have Hugh Jackman literally turn into a tree, I think I would hate it more than Watchmen.

Signs

jesus h christ people apollo 13 is not a good answer

well why don't you tell us what movies we should hate then?

peter jackson's King Kong! fucking horrible

Serendipity.

xxp i just don't see how one can find it contemptible unless it's very MOR-ness is what makes it contemptible for you in which case whatever

Love Potion No. 9 with Sandra Bullock is some shit

I forgot - the one with the pianist, drillbit taylor, and that smarmy guy with bad facial hair on a train in India.

have any of you successfully gotten your money back for hating a movie? this seems like a fun thing to do and would almost be worth hating a movie for.

i just don't see how one can find it contemptible unless it's very MOR-ness is what makes it contemptible for you in which case whatever

That's a large part of why I dislike it (and It's a Wonderful Life).

Conspiracy Theory but I'd have a hard time explaining why exactly

Saw Watchmen for free. Asked my friend who works at the odeon if I could get those 3 hours of my life back, she called me an ungrateful cunt.

Paid for The Golden Compass though ;_;

it smells like challops in here.

I can't really work up much vitriol for boring mainstream movies that are boringly mainstream.

I can if I've wasted hours of my life watching them.

I'm generally too forgiving of boring mainstream movies, because I like almost all the ones sarahel listed above (especially Spice World which is delightfully campy, actually). I agree on the It's a Wonderful Life hate, though.

"i love everything"

I hated the concept of It's a Wonderful Life for a long time, and then I actually watched it and thought it was great.

I love It's a Wonderful Life--it's a wonderful movie!!!!

yeah this is me not touching this thread with a ten-foot pole

awwwwwww c'mon

also it's hard for me to hate a movie because i like movies and i love bad movies

The Dark Knight.

it smells like challops in here.

with the title of this thread, what did you expect? It's like being shocked to find challops in a thread with "Pitchfork" in the title.

with the title of this thread, what did you expect?

challops with less of a fishy smell, I guess.

so I shouldn't suggest scallops as a viable pizza topping then?

Self-importance is the only quality in a movie that brings out hatred imo. Things that are just dull or poorly made I just don't care for (or I love, like Tiptoes.)

Ferris Bueller. or maybe Kids.

it smells like challops in here.

with the title of this thread, what did you expect?

Mods, change thread title, plz

I hated Knowing because Nic Cage yelling his way through a movie is a quality in a movie that brings out my hatred.

how's that for a title

Re: It's a Wonderful Life

I probably liked it the first time I saw it, but it's been an inescapable xmas family tradition for more years than I care to remember and I'd gladly burn the master copy to avoid ever seeing it again even if it meant no one else could either.

good title!

xxp about as witty as we can expect

I think what brings me to hate a movie - as opposed to shrugging indifference - is when it fails at doing something that it is trying to do in a highly calculating manner. Self-importance is one way, ham-fistedly heartwarming is another, and obnoxiously "quirky," "clever," and "weird" is a third way.

However, I often find myself sympathetic to movies that are spectacular failures - like Manos Hands of Fate or Night of the Lepus or Godmonster of Indian Flats.

I recalled some also rans:
* Deja Vu - wormholes in photographs WTF
* That cruddy Nic Cage movie where he's a magician. With magician hair.
* Because I Said So - Diane Keaton at her shrillest, most awful worst ACK I can't even standing thinking about that goddamn movie

Mutual Appreciation. Now that I know how boring and pointless mumblecore movies are, I will never see another. Didn't walk out because I thought maybe my boyfriend was enjoying it more than I was, but nope, we both found it to be a huge waste of time.

"I hated Knowing because Nic Cage yelling his way through a movie is a quality in a movie that brings out my hatred."

Ha! I thought he didn't yell enough. Or punch people without seeming provocation. Like watching a muzzled circus bear, its spirit broken (which the old Cage would have punched an yelled at).

Yeah, hating Nic Cage movies is like hating Plan 9

Tough call between AI and Eyes Wide Shut.

I think what brings me to hate a movie - as opposed to shrugging indifference - is when it fails at doing something that it is trying to do in a highly calculating manner. Self-importance is one way, ham-fistedly heartwarming is another, and obnoxiously "quirky," "clever," and "weird" is a third way.

OTM.

And I am also fond of Night of the Lepus, because how the hell could you not be?

http://eccentric-cinema.com/images2005/movie_pix_j-p/night_lepus01.jpg

Self-importance is one way, ham-fistedly heartwarming is another, and obnoxiously "quirky," "clever," and "weird" is a third way.

I've been lurking around here long enough to know that everyone hates Whip It and am surprised at the lack of anticipatory snark. it looks like a Triple-Crown Winner

lepus is such a great word. The "scary" close-ups of the rabbits bring joy to my heart.

http://www.headinjurytheater.com/Entertainment/NL%20scarry%20bunny%20shot%202.jpg

http://movieodyssey.com/files/2009/04/lepus-rabbit.jpg

WTH now I have to see this movie.

The parts that don't have rabbits in them are pretty boring, so I recommend liberal use of fast-forward.

http://www.headinjurytheater.com/images/godmonster%20picnic%20kids.jpg

Godmonster of Indian Flats is another wtf gem

Re: It's a Wonderful Life

I probably liked it the first time I saw it, but it's been an inescapable xmas family tradition for more years than I care to remember and I'd gladly burn the master copy to avoid ever seeing it again even if it meant no one else could either.

That's a thread unto itself ... movies that are family traditions that you come to never want to see again. For several Christmases running (this was pretty recent) my parents insisted on watching this "charming" British movie about two brothers-in-law competing over Christmas light displays. It was kinda cute the first time, but I really don't ever want to see that movie again.

IAWL turns me into a challop monster. why does my dad insist on watching it *every* xmas argh

When I was growing up, my grandmother insisted on the family watching Clockwise every Thanksgiving. It wasn't just watching it every year, at every other family occasion it got brought up in conversation. "Oh, those hilarious little old ladies ..."

My aunt is the crazy one in my family about IAWL. She even still gets mad if people talk during the viewing. The last couple years, I've made sure to have non-family plans with friends on xmas night.

cold mountain? cold fuck yrself

I think last year I finally "cured" my parents of the Christmas Lights movie, and we watched Rififi instead.

nah i haven't even seen cm but i'm always suspicious of movies where it looks like the confederacy is about to get humanized something awful.

Tough call between AI and Eyes Wide Shut.

I have suggested you be banned.

I love It's a Wonderful Life--it's a wonderful movie!!!

yeah i think liking it is a 'c'(ugh) now, and i like it. I have to recharge on it though, once+ a year is pushing it at this point

Anyone with unkind words for "Christmas Story"?

No, but I've never seen it.

Donnie Darko sucks

Ugh. Velvet Frakking Goldmine. BLACH! BLEUCH!

I love Velvet Goldmine. Dark Knight and Shawshank Redemption can both fuck off, though.

fuck em - donnie darko, saving private ryan, batman begins & other try hard shitfests

fuck the haters - jackie chan's oeuvre, 5th element

I warmed up to Velvet Goldmine when I saw it the second time. The first time, it was a major disappointment.

watched Shawshank again recently, my original liking for it vanished astonishingly quickly. thought it was shit.

"No, but I've never seen it."

?? this is the one about Ralphie who wants a red ryder BB gun. it is on TV about as much as It's a Wonderful Life round xmastime.

5th Element is a big favorite in this house, the kids won me over by demanding repeated viewings.

Juno was decent but are sonic youth really more unlistenable than kimya dawson???

The Fifth Element's script was so clearly written by dude at age 15

http://files.list.co.uk/images/2009/01/22/fame-2009-tour-1.jpg

So glad that bombed. Maybe the remakes will slow down.

what is that a picture of? Live action Bratz?

Fame

interestingly enough, none of those people are actually in the movie

Thumbsucker was pretty crappy.

(tie):
American Beauty
Lost In Translation
Babel

all horrible.

I was at a training course at work, where the ice breaker was to name your favorite movie ever, round the table. Opting not to pick this moment to defend the honor of Tinto Brass or Jodorowsky, I chose Touch of Evil (a well-liked thriller, with Charlton Heston in). I spoke briefly, but with feeling. The guy running the course, who had introduced himself as "a bit of a movie buff", then rounded off the exercise by talking contemptuously about people "who had had a bit of time to think even coming up with with black and white films", before going on to enthuse about The Shawshank Redemption.

I rose and snapped his neck like a twig, the cheers of my colleagues ringing in my ears.

We saw a pirated version of Babel without any subtitles, which made it vaguely interesting.

citizen kane

I also found House of 1000 Corpses to be pretty head-clutchingly bad.

Same here.

The first thing I think of when I think of horrible movies is 8mm but I feel a bit shamed by some of the awesome challoping on here and I think I need to raise my game.

Maybe go for "anything with fucking superheroes in it that's repped for by adults" or something.

How could I forget - Lady in the Water!

hating Lady in the Water is less "challop" and more "obvop"

it still sucks.

Obvious but needs stating. Indiana Jones & The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Per Southpark: George Lucas & Steven Spielberg raped Indy!

The first thing I think of when I think of horrible movies is 8mm but I feel a bit shamed by some of the awesome challoping on here and I think I need to raise my game.

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Maybe go for "anything with fucking superheroes in it that's repped for by adults" or something.

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i was going to go for "all live-action movies suck"

I forgot Jeepers Creepers which is actually dece for 15 minutes but that just sets the audience up to be more devastated by the incredible ham-fisted cackathon that it turns into.

sorry sarahel, that read like it was in response to Noodle's "must challop HARDER" gauntlet-throwing

I think both Velvet Goldmine and 5th Element fall into the strong minority following category - which is the nearest you're going to get to cult movie in the download era. I'm more interested in hearing about generally popular movies that you really hate.

xp max: - you only like cartoons?

only non-disney cartoons

made in the 90s

tbh anything that isn't an Eastern European animation from the early 60s is despicable.

Enjoy your "entertainment", sheeple.

many xposts - so we're talking like, 'Casablanca' hating challops then?

hurm. I may be out of my league..

this movie is actually about a sheeple, er, a sheeperson

http://www.headinjurytheater.com/images/godmonster%20picnic%20kids.jpg

I forgot Jeepers Creepers which is actually dece for 15 minutes but that just sets the audience up to be more devastated by the incredible ham-fisted cackathon that it turns into.

OMG yes, this! I caught the first 15 minutes one night before I had to go somewhere, and was kinda bummed I had to leave a pretty awesome set-up for a great horror movie. Boy was I pissed when I rented it a couple weeks later.

many xposts - so we're talking like, 'Casablanca' hating challops then?

Would hating Lord of the Rings qualify?

Not really, half of the Tolkein fanbase has major probs with it.

Plus why should 10 hour film about goblins hitting each other over the head with axes be mainstream?

My problem was that they were boring; though I did have a nice nap during at least one of them.

Is it just me or does this thread title represent a new apex of ILX hyper-self-awareness?

I was raised on LOTR and Tolkien, and even so, found the final sequences of the last movie are amongst the most toe-curlingly awful things I've ever witnessed in a cinema.

But...but...

;_;

Pure Hobbit porn, grrl. And they cut Sir Chris for that shit.

I thought Wizard of Oz was ass from the moment it switched to technicolor/Apollo 13 is for babies and I hated it/Star Wars is the worst thing to ever happen to modern movie making/Wall*E was a pussy/Monty Python's Holy Grail is revisionist limey claptrap

[goes home to shower in antiseptic]

Now I get what's wrong with Velvet Goldmine, not enough axe-wielding goblins.

The "Lord of Chaos" black metal movie will deliver Velvet Goblin with axe-wielding goblins.

Sorry Velvet Goldmine with axe-wielding goblins. Not a half-bad title, though.

With hobbit porn?

The Fifth Element's script was so clearly written by dude at age 15

its like an ideal version of what a 15 yr old would come up with

Velvet Goldmine was cute actor eyecandy with a solid soundtrack

Velvet Goblin needs to be a band, probably. I keep forgetting Lords of Chaos is coming. Hope there's a 3D verzh.

Velvet Goldmine was cute actor eyecandy with a solid soundtrack

Upon re-seeing it, I liked it better.

It made more sense after finding out about the problems with rights to Bowie songs.

Velvet Goldmine promised cute actor eyecandy, which was then uglified even by glam standards (impressive) and put in a shameful, pointless series of gaudy tableaux on par with Bogus in the wtf department.

Bogus is my most hated film fwiw.

the gaudy tableaux were kinda the point of the movie though.

did i just see a picture of mr snuffeluffergus?

It did have a good soundtrack I'll admit but it's fucking Roxy Music, can't really go wrong there even if it was Wing singing it.

Didn't think Velvet Goldmine was a very good movie, but I'm kind of glad it exists -- same with I'm Not There. I like that Haynes is trying to make interesting, serious movies about rock stardom, but he hasn't quite nailed it yet. It's a tough topic to do well.

which was then uglified even by glam standards (impressive)

The 70's weren't exactly the prettiest decade...

Why are we talking about a minority-interest art-house release?

xxp - Both were problematic, agreed.

That's what I'm saying: glam was fugly but that is some next-level fug on display in that film

Christian Bale in drag isn't exactly him at his best ...

and the fug you see is men that you know in any other circumstance wld be bonerland

I was at the UK premiere of Velvet Goldmine, and everybody hated it. This is not a challop.

lol bonerland

I went into that movie sure that it would be everything I'd ever wanted in a bowie-inspired romp...and I hated every breathing moment of it. maybe because the real thing looked better in books and blurry videos and hearsay than any 'imagining'.

I don't think it was all fug, though there definitely was some.

Velvet Goldmine is wonderful and I hate you all. The end.

i didn't like jeepers creepers or jeepers creepers 2 but then i found out the director was a pedophile and i signed a petition for him

I think my biggest initial problem was the faux bowie songs

I think Bale's shy Brummie shtick was kind of cute and MacGregor was kind of hilarious and Rhys-What's-his-name was an excellent peacock.

MacGregor had the least fugly costumes.

this isn't a challop at all, but John Carpenter's Vampires was so horrible I wanted to call him up and yell at him. it also informs my hatred of James Woods (which on its own may be a challop)

^^^ooh that movie was terrible.

I saw Jeepers Creepers II alone in a multiplex where they'd forgotten to turn the house lights off, with an audience of baying teenagers. Even considering that, it was what medics refer to as a brutal insult to the brain. I have no technical experience, but I am confident I could conceive, write and direct a better John Carpenter rip-off in six weeks, with what the catering budget must have cost.

just remembered Amelie (which I'm not dignifying with the appropriate accent)

^^ ha, that and Juno are two I will not watch because I know I will dislike them.

Ha ha. I am such a sucker for Amelie but then I used to live around there for awhile.

really loved Velvet Goldmine. It's kind of a mess and is not historically accurate but is very entertaining to watch. The editing is incredible...I love the way every scene starts out as one thing and ends up as another. And the music was great.

omg amelie
i saw vampires just drunk enough that i didn't feel like walking out

I think its so weird that people expected Velvet Goldmine to be historically accurate. it lays its cards out on the table pretty early that its a FAIRY TALE

Velvet Goldmine historically accurate? The point is that it's about the rumors and not the reality. We all believed this stuff in the 70's.

^^^yep

^^yes. but I remember all of the criticism it got at the time for not portraying the era accurately, which I agree is ridiculous.

there seems to be some revisionist thinking about Forrest Gump. How did it end up at 607 on the 1000-top films list? It was bad the first time and I can't imagine it's going to get any better in retrospect.

I think my problems with historical accuracy had to do with the chronology of various periods and recording history.

you know a movie's great when an actor cuts off his legs just to be in it. that gary sinise guy is amazing! such dedication.

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i didn't even know what velvet goldmine was supposed to be referencing at the time, it was pretty entertaining on its merits.

its not a biopic. its a coming-out movie disguised as a musical fable.

yeah, it's more entertaining when you're not arguing about whether so-and-so is supposed to be representing Lou Reed, Bowie, Iggy, etc. at a given point in the movie.

yes. and right from the first scene you know it's going to be great, with the bullied kid finding Oscar Wilde's brooch, and the camera shooting off to the stars.

the only thing i didn't like about VG was the citizen kane thing

I love Velvet Goldmine. I'm sure there's a thread. But we should be talking about mainstream hits that really suck.

Of recent movies The Dark Knight really bugged me.

bloated, overly-gothic, 4 or 5 pseudo-endings, and it was all taken so seriously...

500 days of summer. SUCKED.

I'd have preferred Magnolia if it was only 5 minutes of raining frogs.

a bit too wishy washy for a challop but I didn't get all the OMG over Shawshank. It's kind of beyond me why it's a favorite movie of all time kind of movie. Maybe if someone didn't already know the story it'd be more exciting? Dunno.

I still can't figure out why I left the theater after seeing Magnolia feeling good about myself and life in general, and it actually made me mad because I never once thought "okay, wow... I'm seeing a meaningful movie." I haven't watched it since.

As far as Stephen King adaptations go, it was better than Apt Pupil. Shawshank I mean

I think people like it because it's not as shit as what they're used to: the actors do their job and the script assumes that you are sober, can follow the dialogue, and won't resent the lack of car chases. It would still be a half forgotten b-movie if it had been produced before 1980, which I understand is the industry cut-off for cable.

tbf it's probably one of the better SK adaptations to screen. I like the Shining the most of all of them though, but then that's pushing the definition of 'adaptation' pretty far.

http://static2.unlike.net/system/photos/0031/9794/wings.jpg

Self-importance is the only quality in a movie that brings out hatred imo.

Totally agree, and as such my additions to this thread are Pay It Forward and The Notebook.

a bit too wishy washy for a challop but I didn't get all the OMG over Shawshank. It's kind of beyond me why it's a favorite movie of all time kind of movie. Maybe if someone didn't already know the story it'd be more exciting? Dunno.

yeah i used to be on imdb a lot and it was the top movie on the charts for like 4 years, i just could not wrap my head around it. and it's not even a dislikeable or remarkable enough movie to warrant mounting an attack, it's just a super-weird phenomenon.

It's because Morgan Freeman is America's cuddly grandpa.

fyi here is the current imdb top 25:

Rank Rating Title Votes
1. 9.1 The Shawshank Redemption (1994) 447,121
2. 9.1 The Godfather (1972) 366,574
3. 9.0 The Godfather: Part II (1974) 214,585
4. 8.9 Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo. (1966) 134,203
5. 8.9 Pulp Fiction (1994) 366,430
6. 8.9 Schindler's List (1993) 242,819
7. 8.8 12 Angry Men (1957) 97,448
8. 8.8 One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975) 186,551
9. 8.8 The Dark Knight (2008) 394,336
10. 8.8 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980) 248,624
11. 8.8 Casablanca (1942) 151,099
12. 8.8 Star Wars (1977) 291,471
13. 8.8 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) 320,266
14. 8.8 Shichinin no samurai (1954) 86,128
15. 8.7 Goodfellas (1990) 200,943
16. 8.7 Rear Window (1954) 105,028
17. 8.7 Cidade de Deus (2002) 142,564
18. 8.7 Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) 220,286
19. 8.7 Fight Club (1999) 332,512
20. 8.7 The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (2001) 347,127
21. 8.7 C'era una volta il West (1968) 63,184
22. 8.7 The Usual Suspects (1995) 239,441
23. 8.7 Psycho (1960) 126,714
24. 8.6 The Silence of the Lambs (1991) 216,850
25. 8.6 Sunset Blvd. (1950) 47,498

Shawshank is not a self-important movie. It's quietly competent. But it really isn't that good.

The Usual Suspects, ugh. I love twist endings as much as the next person, but if you make a film people can only see once, then you've made a bad film.

Unlike Psycho (just below it on the imdb list), the payoff of the movie is in the suspense, not the twist.

i think shawshawk is pretty all right but weird tonally. it's like a lot of stephen king's work in that way (and in that way it gets it right.) it's this wide-eyed almost innocent-style relating of a tale that's filled with shit like prison rape and murder, and then it all gets tied up in a neat bow at the end with a twist and all of the evil characters paying for their misdeeds with ironic fates.

the usual suspects is by far the worst film out of that list imo

(by which I mean Psycho wins and The Usual Suspects loses) xxp

There are films in that list that I quite like, but not one that I love, and there's more than a couple that I secretly despise.

Impossible choice for me between F.Gump and Watchmen.

Watchmen wasn't _that_ awful.

I thought it was OK. But just OK. Nowhere near top 20 great.

On the other hand, I've never seem Forrest Gump, but John Waters was unusually vehement on that one, and, based on the people I know who loved, I really don't think it's going to be my kind of thing at all.

the subtext of Forrest Gump is that sexually liberated women with liberal politics get AIDS and die.

It's because Morgan Freeman is America's cuddly grandpa.

...who we have sex with and get married to.

the subtext of Forrest Gump is that sexually liberated women with liberal politics get AIDS and die.

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this is a whole genre of movie, the out of control lady movie. i hate it.

but she redeems herself by marrying the retarded patriot and, of course, having a baby.

Splitting hairs, I know, but I'd say it's "a subplot" rather than "the subtext" of Forrest Gump. The subtext of the film is: stumbling brainlessly through life will lead to a wondrous existence filled with magic and stars.

it isn't a subplot, it is a subtext, but not the only one.

i was alarmed by the pro-jogging undercurrent.

I thought it was about the rape of our Gulf coast's seabed just to please gluttonous Americans who crave shellfish.

Another vote for Donnie Darko, the worst film ever made.

Mordy, have you seen Southland Tales?

Yes. Southland Tales is bad enough to be enjoyable as a shitty movie (not to mention quotable with all those ridiculous The Rock lines). Donnie Darko is just competently enough made to impart absolutely no enjoyment while watching it whatsoever.

Usual Suspects is awesome if only for Benicio Del Toro and his accent/look.

On that IMDB list Fight Club would get my vote. I don't hate it, but I dislike it more than most of them.

no-one's hardcore enough to challop Schindler. Cool. That might be be our saving grace, gize.

I have a soft spot for Schindler's List because my mom's a bookkeeper for right-wingers, and it gave me hope that if there were some sort of purge on liberals and lefties, that my family would be similarly saved.

Lost in Translation. I really hate this style of under-scripted movie which then gets praised for being subtle and meaningful cos it's so lacking in substance that people just project whatever they want on to it. Actually come to think of it i might hate Broken Flowers even more.

I liked Broken Flowers. And I liked Lost in Translation. But I already cried about LOTR so hack away :)

Actually come to think of it you might hate Bill Murray most.

I will no longer see any movies where Bill Murray does his deadpan depressive schtick. He should have stopped at Rushmore.

And to balance the universe I will see them in your stead. Ah. harmony!

I don't know if everyone a) saw this or b) raved about it but I didn't like 'Tell No One'. And I kind of liked it even less for having had it RAVED to me that it was omg awesome. Really not. You don't get a pass just for having subtitles.

Lost in Translation. I really hate this style of under-scripted movie which then gets praised for being subtle and meaningful cos it's so lacking in substance that people just project whatever they want on to it.

i dunno, i liked it in a 'don't mind spending time with these characters + listening to this music + watching the pretty lights' sort of way but 'under-scripted' still doesn't seem fair. (or at least changes in your direction would prob have doomed what *I* like about it). its charms are fragile but not slight if that makes any sense.

I just didn't think there was anything there beyond "It can be a bit lonely being in a foreign country on your own and incidentally aren't those Japanese crazy?" You could take a walk round any big city at night with some My Bloody Valentine on your iPod and get the same experience.

number none, there is a thread for that POS film where I blather on endlessly but echoing your sentiments in poorer fashion.

Yeah i'll shut up about it now. It just bothers me when something so half-arsed gets feted to such a degree.

I really liked Lost In Translation the first time I saw it, then a negative review by Momus made me change my mind. His most OTM point IMO is his objection to the film's portrayal of Bill Murray's character as someone likeable, while he's really just a smug, racist prick. And so is Scarlett Johansson. Yet, it's still a beautiful film with an amazing soundtrack, so it's hard to completely hate it.

surprised that fucking huckabees movie has not been mentioned yet

Has anyone mentioned "The Squid and The Whale" yet?

No, but thanks for mentioning it. HORRIBLE!

Huckabees was a big bag of WTF.

human traffic, requiem for a dream

i think i just hate all 'young people take drugs' films

I started off taking Huckabees seriously and hated it, then I slowly realised it was completely taking the piss, and decided it was grebt.

"about schmidt"