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lol?

ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 September 2009 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Seems like it could be funny, but man do I dislike Chevy Chase.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 17 September 2009 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link

just read the review in the nytimes, will give this a go

just sayin, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

i work at a community college
not sure how i feel about this

have lots of funny stories, but not sure i want to see them dramatized for prime time larfs

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link

ugh this

Cousin Larry Soetoro (jeff), Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:30 (fourteen years ago) link

ok i'll be honest. i am quietly hoping this show fails.

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:32 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm a Soup stan so i'll hope for the best but if it's not great then i hope it dies quietly, because of all people McHale doesn't get to contribute to the mountain of useless TV he makes good TV ridiculing

some dude, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

OTM

... (Pillbox), Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:34 (fourteen years ago) link

how about this -- he goes back to ridiculing people on tv instead of people in community colleges

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:36 (fourteen years ago) link

you must go to community college to be a person on TV

(w/ a few exceptions like Chevy Chase, who went to Bard with Steely Dan)

A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:43 (fourteen years ago) link

And Mindy Kaling, who went to Dartmouth with gbx.

jaymc, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link

But other than those two, that's pretty much it.

jaymc, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link

fwiw La Lechera i just read an interview where McHale says:

Many reporters are like, “So are you guys going to make fun of community colleges?” It was such a weird, hostile attack approach. Just like in M*A*S*H, they were like, “Are you making fun of the Korean War?” “No.” “Are you making fun of doctors?” “Uh, not really…” Or like Cheers, you’re like, “You making fun of people that go to bars?” So what did they think our show was going to be? So a community college is somewhere that is a huge cross-section of America, and I thought it ironic that you have to have about as diverse a cast in television history if you want to do a show about community college. I’m just amazed that we’re all English speakers.

some dude, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think it's that weird for people to think that, though. Community college is not as widely represented in American pop culture as hospitals and bars are, and when it is, it often does have a mocking or derisive undercurrent to it (cf. Adam Carolla rants). So I totally see why someone would expect that the show would be more of the same.

jaymc, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, true. i mean it'll be interesting to see if he's right and the show doesn't laugh at its setting or they end up making the easy jokes after all.

some dude, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:53 (fourteen years ago) link

Many reporters are like, “So are you guys going to make fun of community colleges?” It was such a weird, hostile attack approach. Just like in M*A*S*H, they were like, “Are you making fun of the Korean War?” “No.” “Are you making fun of doctors?” “Uh, not really…” Or like Cheers, you’re like, “You making fun of people that go to bars?” So what did they think our show was going to be? So a community college is somewhere that is a huge cross-section of America, and I thought it ironic that you have to have about as diverse a cast in television history if you want to do a show about community college. I’m just amazed that we’re all English speakers.

Uh ...

It's been said that community college is a ‘halfway school’ for losers, a self esteem workshop for newly divorced housewives, and a place where old people go to keep their minds active as they circle the drain of eternity,” reads a network description of the show. “Well, at Greendale Community College ... that's all true.

As a community college student, I'm annoyed.

etaeoe, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:53 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah yeah i know
i realize he is not out to ridicule earnest students, but he may wind up doing that anyway.

i just...i dunno. i smell yuck.

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Uh ...

It's been said that community college is a ‘halfway school’ for losers, a self esteem workshop for newly divorced housewives, and a place where old people go to keep their minds active as they circle the drain of eternity,” reads a network description of the show. “Well, at Greendale Community College ... that's all true.

As a community college student, I'm annoyed.

― etaeoe, Thursday, September 17, 2009 8:53 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

those are lines from the trailer, said by a character. i don't think ur meant 2 b "yes, he is right, lol." but nor is it "oh he is awful, that is so wrong."

history mayne, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link

The pilot is good. It's chiefly about McHale's character being an arse.

William Bloody Swygart, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link

ok just watched via torrent the pilot and i give it an unambiguous: yes, lol!

ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 September 2009 19:57 (fourteen years ago) link

the main thrust of the show does not seem to be making fun of community college - and where it does the jokes are not abt the people associated w/the being omg total retards - so dont worry yalls

ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think there is anything wrong with poking fun at community colleges - there are a lot of jokes to be made on this subject. if this show becomes popular, if anything, it's just gonna help make ccs seem like a more normal part of american society (which they already are obv, but are non-existent in pop culture.)

iatee, Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:02 (fourteen years ago) link

it's just gonna help make ccs seem like a more normal part of american society (which they already are obv, but are non-existent in pop culture.

I have not seen the show. But from the promotional material I've seen does not reflect the most predominate characteristic of community college students: poverty. Therefore, I believe it would do little for normalizing community colleges.

etaeoe, Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link

im glad weve gone straight tot he hand wringing - enjoy the show!

ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:08 (fourteen years ago) link

xp

that seems like a generalization to me. I live in CA and significanttt numbers of middle class students go to our local cc instead of straight to a 4 year school. I took about 10 classes there in hs and there is a v. large variety of people and incomes.

of course, my local CC looked like this:

http://www.starshineroshell.com/images/logos/SBCC_lg.jpg

iatee, Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

One only needs to look at how "Good Times" normalized the way people view welfare and tenement housing to see how badly "Community" has dropped the ball before it even airs.

so says i tranny ben franklin (HI DERE), Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link

(and is probably less representative of ccs than the show. but still, main idea, you really can't generalize + it's probably good that they're getting *some* sort of pop culture rep)

xp

iatee, Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

I spent a summer at a community college getting a few credits out of the way, and I must say that I did not have a favorable impression of the experience. Sorry guys!

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 17 September 2009 21:25 (fourteen years ago) link

ownd

ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I also went to a community college in CA for the first two years of my degree! Now I work at a community college in OR, and people cry when I tell them I was paying $11 a unit compared to the $81 a unit they're charging here.

gmail im going to murder u at a beach party (reddening), Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:25 (fourteen years ago) link

two years off cc for the basics seems like not a bad idea - also watching and discussing this show - it is funny

ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:32 (fourteen years ago) link

I trust ice cr?m's taste; going to dl

did u see any 'glee' yet ice cr?m?

cozwn, Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Glee is 50% good, 50% terrible, sometimes at the same time.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link

that's what I'm into

cozwn, Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:36 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm sort of embarrassed about currently attending a community college, not because I'm attending a community college, but because when people ask me what I'm learning I honestly have to say "not much." If I didn't need something official looking to put on my resume, I could've saved a lot of money just teaching myself at home.

It's for this reason I will not only be NOT offended if this show skewers the community college experience, but I was actively derive joy from it!

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link

was=will (der)

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Is it "not learning anything" because the classes are poorly taught, or because they require you to take a bunch of general ed bullshit before you can get to your chosen subject? I have students complain to me all the time about the uselessness of general ed, but ultimately they'd be taking the same classes for way more money at a four-year.

gmail im going to murder u at a beach party (reddening), Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link

the classes are poorly taught

I'm in the digital media/tv production program, which is basically run by two instructors at different campuses who absolutely hate each other. Whatever one teaches, the other debunks. After all that is through, it's basically playtime when it comes to studio production and editing projects. Basically, they tell you how to turn on the computer and open up Adobe Premiere (which isn't even industry standard software) and then advise the best they know how, which is limited in all respects.

The worst thing is, the college has a completely digital hi-def PBS station right there, and they won't let students anywhere near it. We're using a studio with equipment that's, no lie, from the 1970s.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link

in my experience (classes at a pretty well funded california cc) there was a large spectrum of teacher quality. but overall, what you get out of a class also sorta depends on the students (teachers often teach to the lowest common denominator + you learn through class discussions / study groups.) and this is where the cc classes I took were significantly worse than the classes at my srs 4 year school. they tended to be worse than my public hs AP classes too.

iatee, Friday, 18 September 2009 00:02 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost Ugh, that's awful. The students I work with gravitate toward the humanities or medical/nursing programs, which run really well at my CC, but I've heard similar accounts of, like, blind incompetence in certain Computer Science classes.

gmail im going to murder u at a beach party (reddening), Friday, 18 September 2009 00:14 (fourteen years ago) link

part of the problem (not to get all shop talk on you, but...) is that cc teachers are usually people who have other jobs and teach "for a little extra cash"
adjunct instructors (sometimes up to 75% of the instructors at a CC are adjunct) are often blase because:

they are not teachers by trade
are often not given the training or tools to be effective teachers
are not paid very well for their time/expertise
are often required to do things that are beyond their range of skills, like writing a syllabus*

that said, there are a lot of great teachers out there at CCs (ahem), but there are a lot of craptacular ones too for the aforementioned reasons

*note: this is not always true, but it's true more than more than most students at CCs realize

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Friday, 18 September 2009 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Ok I'm watching the show and this bears no resemblance to my life at all aside from the woman who referenced her babysitter.

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Friday, 18 September 2009 01:40 (fourteen years ago) link

These people all talk to each other. As iatee referenced above, almost nobody in my classes talks to each other.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 September 2009 01:42 (fourteen years ago) link

It must be said, John Oliver is the funniest thing in this show.

Mordy, Friday, 18 September 2009 01:46 (fourteen years ago) link

It must also be said that whatsherface really doesn't look all that much like Elizabeth Shue.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 September 2009 01:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Where are the nonnative speakers? Sorry but if this is what passes for funny on tv I'm not impressed. My real life is funnier than this. I have a student whose name is Porntip, but she prefers to go by her nickname: Nooky.

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Friday, 18 September 2009 01:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Ass-burgers.

Mordy, Friday, 18 September 2009 01:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Nice touch ending with "Don't You Forget About Me."

Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 September 2009 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I give it a B+ (ish).

Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 September 2009 01:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I laughed a little at the menengitis joke.

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Friday, 18 September 2009 02:01 (fourteen years ago) link

i didn't really have high expectations from the ads/clips i'd seen, but this was a really strong pilot, i laughed a lot. hope it goes well from here.

murda mo not mo murda (some dude), Friday, 18 September 2009 02:49 (fourteen years ago) link

These people all talk to each other. As iatee referenced above, almost nobody in my classes talks to each other.

right, the whole 'no outside social interaction, people don't know each other' thing is one of the defining features of these places.

I didn't think it was that great, maybe because I felt like I had already seen the entire episode over the ads they showed earlier in the night.

iatee, Friday, 18 September 2009 05:03 (fourteen years ago) link

i wasn't so bullish on the pilot, but yay trudy campbell!

Wake OOIOO (get bent), Friday, 18 September 2009 05:33 (fourteen years ago) link

the whole 'no outside social interaction, people don't know each other' thing is one of the defining features of these places.

Granted, I went to a smaller community college, but this wasn't true of my experience at all! People in the same classes formed these rag-tag social groups all the time, even if they'd only last a semester or two.

I enjoyed the show a lot -- definitely a stronger pilot than, say, Parks and Recreation last season.

gmail im going to murder u at a beach party (reddening), Friday, 18 September 2009 05:52 (fourteen years ago) link

that dude from Derrick Comedy being in this upped my interest about 50%

that said, this pilot was just ok - i'll give it sometime, gotta watch something b/w Office and Sunny until 30 Rock comes back anyway

Nhex, Friday, 18 September 2009 06:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought it was strong, I look forward to seeing what they do with the future plotlines. Besides the main character's derisive comments, which weren't overly damning coming from him, there wasn't anything that really cast a negative light on community college; the dorky dean is a universal college staple on TV, and none of the students in the study group at least particularly scream "oh look how retarded comm college students are!". One thing the students seemed to have in common is that they weren't stupid, but for various reasons going to/getting into a four-year school just wasn't feasible at the time, which sums up nicely why a lot of people choose community college.

I went to community college through a Washington State program during my junior and senior year of high school full time and I loved it; getting my AA for free (I literally paid no tuition ever) was a bonus too. I met many really bright people at the comm college and many real morons at my university. Same with professors. As long as the show doesn't devolve into a bunch of community college jokes then I think there's lots of potential.

musically, Friday, 18 September 2009 07:06 (fourteen years ago) link

pete campbell's wife is in this? or am i wrong

just sayin, Saturday, 19 September 2009 08:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes, it is Pete's wife! Now I am looking for some crazy way for Pete to make a cameo on this show. He would be great as an officious dean.

The ever dapper nicolars (Nicole), Saturday, 19 September 2009 12:29 (fourteen years ago) link

These people all talk to each other. As iatee referenced above, almost nobody in my classes talks to each other.

right, the whole 'no outside social interaction, people don't know each other' thing is one of the defining features of these places.

I didn't think it was that great, maybe because I felt like I had already seen the entire episode over the ads they showed earlier in the night.

― iatee, Friday, September 18, 2009 1:03 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i thought the whole plot of the first episode was that these people hadn't talked to each other in class and that we were being the shown catalyst of how they all ended up interacting and having a study group together?

some dude, Saturday, 19 September 2009 12:43 (fourteen years ago) link

B+ seems about right. pretty funny in places but i did not care for the Life Lessons Learned stuff

feed them to the (Linden Ave) lions (will), Saturday, 19 September 2009 13:02 (fourteen years ago) link

and yes, better that Parks & Rec pilot from last year

feed them to the (Linden Ave) lions (will), Saturday, 19 September 2009 13:03 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought the end of ep 2 was pretty funny

iatee, Friday, 25 September 2009 04:58 (fourteen years ago) link

terrible show

am0n, Friday, 25 September 2009 05:02 (fourteen years ago) link

well yeah

iatee, Friday, 25 September 2009 05:04 (fourteen years ago) link

the ken jeong bit was good

am0n, Friday, 25 September 2009 05:04 (fourteen years ago) link

As I feared, the Chevy Chase character is turning out to be a little much. Either tone him down or sack him altogether. I like the rest of the cast and the show itself, though.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 25 September 2009 05:04 (fourteen years ago) link

This show is one where I still haven't been able to form an opinion. I need to see some actual humor come out of the minor characters. as a drama the story arch is still pretty interesting... I mean the main character is cool and I can easily relate to community college type experiences and trying to get "the girl". but if the show doesn't step up soon I won't believe that any of the characters are really that funny.

I'm giving it another week or two.

beauty of grunge = abandon (CaptainLorax), Friday, 25 September 2009 05:31 (fourteen years ago) link

Episode 1: Total horseshit.
Episode 2: Had moments.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Friday, 25 September 2009 05:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Chevy Chase 2009 would be really, really great as the lead in "Sonofabitch: The Dick Cheney Story"

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 25 September 2009 05:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I laughed.

Super Cub, Friday, 25 September 2009 07:46 (fourteen years ago) link

It's not firing on all cylinders, but I'm already fond of the characters and that makes up for the weaker stuff. Was John Oliver's character a one-off, or is he coming back?

"apostrophe" is not Latin for "watch out for the S" (reddening), Friday, 25 September 2009 09:22 (fourteen years ago) link

I think he's part of the cast

iatee, Friday, 25 September 2009 09:32 (fourteen years ago) link

show needs less chevy chase, more donald glover

Nhex, Friday, 25 September 2009 09:52 (fourteen years ago) link

this show was awesome, i don't know what you all are talking about

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 25 September 2009 12:15 (fourteen years ago) link

am i the only person who still really likes chevy chase? havent seen the 2nd ep but i thought he was great in the 1st.

rent, Friday, 25 September 2009 12:48 (fourteen years ago) link

im happy to see him get some decent work again.

rent, Friday, 25 September 2009 12:48 (fourteen years ago) link

parks & rec was way better last night. louis ck majik!

scott seward, Friday, 25 September 2009 12:56 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah but you like glee

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 25 September 2009 13:05 (fourteen years ago) link

reign on chevy, get rid of love interest. terrible actor.

feed them to the (Linden Ave) lions (will), Friday, 25 September 2009 13:21 (fourteen years ago) link

reign IN chevy.

feed them to the (Linden Ave) lions (will), Friday, 25 September 2009 13:22 (fourteen years ago) link

rein?

scott seward, Friday, 25 September 2009 13:55 (fourteen years ago) link

haha yes. now that i've had coffee and can see & type.

Reign in Chevys

feed them to the (Linden Ave) lions (will), Friday, 25 September 2009 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link

from a lacerated sky

am0n, Friday, 25 September 2009 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Is this class easy?
...
Do you like Dane Cook?
Yeah, he's awesome.
So far so good.

Mordy, Friday, 2 October 2009 01:31 (fourteen years ago) link

So, what John Oliver only around for the first episode?

Johnny Fever, Friday, 2 October 2009 01:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Apparently. :(

Mordy, Friday, 2 October 2009 01:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, Shirley's real reason for going back to school was AWESOME.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 2 October 2009 01:50 (fourteen years ago) link

what mordy already posted, plus "how 'bout I POUND you like a MAN... that didn't come out right"

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 2 October 2009 04:40 (fourteen years ago) link

"You, go host American Idol."

"apostrophe" is not Latin for "watch out for the S" (reddening), Friday, 2 October 2009 09:10 (fourteen years ago) link

John Oliver is in at least 3 episodes, for those wondering.

Jouster, Friday, 2 October 2009 09:43 (fourteen years ago) link

I really liked episode 3! esp the guy from the christopher guest movies what's his name. show has potential.

iatee, Saturday, 3 October 2009 03:49 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah...not so great yet, but I'm forgiving. After a year Parks and Recreation is finally working, these last two episodes have been great, so I'll give Community a season + to prove itself.

dan selzer, Saturday, 3 October 2009 05:22 (fourteen years ago) link

is parks & rec watchable now?

this show is very funny!

gore vitalic (s1ocki), Saturday, 3 October 2009 06:02 (fourteen years ago) link

uh, kinda sucks

Take a ride on The Rape Tunnel (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 3 October 2009 06:07 (fourteen years ago) link

P&R has been my favorite of the NBC Thursday night shows all 3 weeks of the season so far.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 3 October 2009 06:36 (fourteen years ago) link

P&R is slowly getting better. I watching FlashForward and catching it on Hulu, but I feel like FF has more to prove (I'll stick with it for a month or two, at least) while Parks has improved a lot since Season 1 and seems to be getting into a groove. Community's all right, definitely good enough for me to watch while waiting for Sunny to come on.

Nhex, Saturday, 3 October 2009 08:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Thursday is a pretty great night for TV...Office, Community, 30 Rock (starts in October?), Sunny, Project Runway; it's already taking me a few days to catch up.

musically, Saturday, 3 October 2009 16:34 (fourteen years ago) link

p&r has been pretty great so far this season, really strong supporting cast

fleetwood (max), Saturday, 3 October 2009 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link

the best parts of this show thus far have been the scenes with aped and troy during the credits

fleetwood (max), Saturday, 3 October 2009 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link

p&r has been dece. aziz ansari and aubrey plaza and the dude with the tache especially.

rashida jones is attractive but maybe they should make her funny in some way?

not really feelin community so much.

history mayne, Saturday, 3 October 2009 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't know what show you haters are watching. Community has been tops so far. Funnier than The Office this season, at the very least.

Oh, and for those who even know what I'm talking about, the Community creator was apparently also responsible for Heat Vision And Jack.

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 3 October 2009 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

wait what ben stiller has returned to tv?

history mayne, Saturday, 3 October 2009 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

rashida jones ex bf is great in p&r too

fleetwood (max), Saturday, 3 October 2009 17:42 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah it's like a bizarro the office where roy is the funniest character on the show instead of just being this grunty clueless guy

iatee, Saturday, 3 October 2009 18:12 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't know what show you haters are watching.

its this show called Community.

( ´_ゝ˙) (Dr. Phil), Sunday, 4 October 2009 00:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Maybe it'll get better, but I haven't enjoyed the first few episodes much.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Sunday, 4 October 2009 01:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Funnier than The Office this season, at the very least.

Yes, but at this point that's not saying much. It does seem like it is getting funnier as it goes along though.

The ever dapper nicolars (Nicole), Sunday, 4 October 2009 01:32 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm curious: what's not to like? Like, specifically?

I also wonder if I like this more because I'm a Soup fan. But pretty much everyone in the show is good (including Chevy, who I often think is a humorless turd), the writing is funny. I can see this developing into something really good (the next 30 Rock?) if the premise is something they can work with and expand on.

Also, it's worth noting how solid it is straight out of the gate. I can't say that about most of my favorite sitcoms.

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 4 October 2009 01:33 (fourteen years ago) link

I LOVE LOVE LOVE The Soup.

But I don't yet LOVE or even like Community that much yet, though it has some moments.

But I also think the first few episodes of every sitcom are awkward and usually terrible.

Except for Arrested Development.

dan selzer, Sunday, 4 October 2009 04:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Watched the first few eps of this tonight. I'm sold.

kingfish, Sunday, 4 October 2009 10:41 (fourteen years ago) link

This show got so brilliantly funny so fast I fear for its future. Tonight's ep FTW.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 9 October 2009 00:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I am looking forward to watching my "legal download" of the most recent episode.

A few years ago, I prematurely called 30 Rock the logical successor of Arrested Development, and I haven't been particularly disappointed on that front. So:

PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT SOLD YET! I BELIEVE THAT COMMUNITY IS THE LOGICAL SUCCESSOR OF 30 ROCK. SET YOUR VCRs.

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 9 October 2009 06:56 (fourteen years ago) link

luvin this.

'you're an 8, and that's a british 10'

The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Friday, 9 October 2009 12:14 (fourteen years ago) link

I nearly choked from laughing when Troy was crawling out of the waiting/testing room like a paralyzed dog.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 9 October 2009 12:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I look forward to this show more than The Office now. I can't get enough of Abed, he's like the living embodiment of TV Tropes.

four on the floor (reddening), Friday, 9 October 2009 23:23 (fourteen years ago) link

The show is getting better now that the characters are more fleshed out.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Friday, 9 October 2009 23:28 (fourteen years ago) link

im enjoying the show but its just a lil too rote - u can feel the writers paying the storyline and character bios etc too much respect - they need to let dark comedy delight guide them

ice cr?m, Sunday, 11 October 2009 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link

it has potential def but they need to let peoples bad intentions win occasionally - the lesson learning however breezy makes things too predictably neat

ice cr?m, Sunday, 11 October 2009 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah they need to do more w/ aped and troy too imo

fleetwood (max), Sunday, 11 October 2009 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

when they let troy be funny hes really funny but they give him so few lines

fleetwood (max), Sunday, 11 October 2009 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

John Oliver's line to the chunky bespectacled dude - "Go shoot John Lennon, you loser!" kept cracking me to an irrational degree.

Nicolars was the drummer for Gay Dad (Nicole), Sunday, 11 October 2009 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Me too, because the moment I saw him I was thinking "that dude looks like Mark David Chapman."

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 11 October 2009 19:37 (fourteen years ago) link

"Cheers"

"MASH"

"Fawlty Towers. I win!"

Roomful of Moogs (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 16 October 2009 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link

(John Oliver wrong, btw)

Johnny Fever, Friday, 16 October 2009 17:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Really into the super-manic pace. Feel like half the jokes get, like, a bonus beat that sends them over the top.

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Friday, 16 October 2009 20:14 (fourteen years ago) link

"What language are you writing in?"
"It's probably Arabic."

Also the Dean is kind of the reincarnation of Tobias Funke, but I'm not complaining.

what kind of nickname is Steve when your real name is Jesus (reddening), Friday, 16 October 2009 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link

"AT THE PICNIC!"

Vaguely Threatening CAPTCHAs, Friday, 16 October 2009 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link

"Cheers"

"MASH"

"Fawlty Towers. I win!"


I totally didn't get what was going on there, haha.

Really dig the fact that they're spending these early episodes pairing everybody up in different combinations, good character development. Though Britta still needs a chance to be funny and be more than just a stern foil to teach the main character lessons.

Nhex, Saturday, 17 October 2009 02:27 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought her role was being hot

iatee, Saturday, 17 October 2009 02:28 (fourteen years ago) link

"Annie said that Benjamin Button was compelling. She's a smart girl, but sometimes she's just wrong!"

Johnny Fever, Friday, 23 October 2009 00:14 (fourteen years ago) link

"i'm saying you're a football player. it's in your blood."
"that's racist."
"your soul."
"that's racist."
"your eyes?"
"that's gay."
"that's homophobic."
"that's black"
"that's racist."
"damn."

The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Friday, 23 October 2009 02:51 (fourteen years ago) link

okay, those were basically the two funny moments...

i can see this show getting cancelled.

scott seward, Friday, 23 October 2009 03:02 (fourteen years ago) link

I can see that, but I can also see this show hanging around for a while and doing well, which is often hard to visualize after just a handful of episodes.

some dude, Friday, 23 October 2009 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link

i think it could be really good if it would just settle down and find its rhythm.

but yeah, probably will be cancelled, unless NBC decide they've got nothing better (not unlikely!).

hope it doesn't. it can be pretty funny, i like the cast, and yeah britta's kinda hot.

The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Friday, 23 October 2009 03:05 (fourteen years ago) link

"i'm saying you're a football player. it's in your blood."
"that's racist."
"your soul."
"that's racist."
"your eyes?"
"that's gay."
"that's homophobic."
"that's black"
"that's racist."
"damn."

this was really, really funny

everybody loves am0n (J0rdan S.), Friday, 23 October 2009 03:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought all the shows tonight were funny, and Community even more than usual. It seemed like the pace was quicker or something.

And WTF with the mascot?

Johnny Fever, Friday, 23 October 2009 03:56 (fourteen years ago) link

they got picked up for the second half of the season by NBC.

I liked this episode quite a bit.

Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Friday, 23 October 2009 22:50 (fourteen years ago) link

this show is great when it actually has jokes and pretty bad when it goes into heartwarming mode (esp. when dude showed his home movie about his relationship with his dad wtf). i wish they would abandon the relationships and character development and just be funny.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 23 October 2009 22:53 (fourteen years ago) link

otm

troy was on fire this ep

ice cr?m, Friday, 23 October 2009 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

"when you say jump he says how high. when you say stop he says hammer time."

musically, Friday, 23 October 2009 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link

I read an interview with the creator where he claimed he wasn't really having a go at community college, a claim somewhat undercut by "We used to be the Greendale Grizzlies, but, you know, some of these students have been called 'animals' their whole lives."

Abed meta-commentary went to a whole new level last night, too!

This revisionist bible is delicious (reddening), Saturday, 24 October 2009 00:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Veiled St Elsewhere reference imo.

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Saturday, 24 October 2009 00:30 (fourteen years ago) link

i liked this episode a lot actually - the jeff/annie thing worked better than i would've expected, and I don't think it veered too far into cuteness like the abed documentary one. also it was worth watching just for a few bits (the racism bit above, troy's horrible 2004-era political fight songs). more donald glover!

Nhex, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 13:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I think last weeks was my favorite episode. I'm glad this show got picked up.

kingfish, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link

I just realized recently that Donald Glover (Troy) was a writer on 30 Rock. He's very quicky rising in my esteem.

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 17:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I can't believe SNL rejected him in favor of Armisen playing Obama. Lorne must be on crack.

Otter madness (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 18:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Although it probably worked out better for Donald Glover, because SNL has been pretty unwatchable lately.

Otter madness (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 18:02 (fourteen years ago) link

this show is...pretty bad when it goes into heartwarming mode (esp. when dude showed his home movie about his relationship with his dad wtf). i wish they would abandon the relationships and character development and just be funny.

― congratulations (n/a), Friday, October 23, 2009 6:53 PM

^^

am0n, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 18:05 (fourteen years ago) link

SNL would be more watchable if they brought in more new blood instead of just hanging onto the same people forever and arbitrarily sloughing off a couple of them each season, so it's a vicious circle

crazypoxyfule (some dude), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link

ok, this is hysterical. i laughed more during the halloween episode tonight than with any other of the thursday night shows.

― cutty, Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:45 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

chevy chase as beastmaster

― cutty, Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:46 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

cutty, Friday, 30 October 2009 02:51 (fourteen years ago) link

i really wanna like this show cuz i love mchale but this seems super contrived to me. like, the office is absurdist but it's still pretty grounded in believability whereas the characters in community and the premises of the episodes kind of seem to only be able to exist in minds of the writers. granted i've never been to community college so maybe i'm wrong but this is kinda boring imo.

a goon boy (J0rdan S.), Friday, 30 October 2009 02:53 (fourteen years ago) link

lol @ the ghostbusters joke. i also saw ghostbusters in the theater! if i wasn't a kid when that happened, i would feel old.

the tamiflu show (get bent), Friday, 30 October 2009 03:06 (fourteen years ago) link

this is kinda boring imo

it's watchable but i like parks and recreation a lot more.

the tamiflu show (get bent), Friday, 30 October 2009 03:07 (fourteen years ago) link

parks and rec doesn't have trudy campbell though!

the tamiflu show (get bent), Friday, 30 October 2009 03:11 (fourteen years ago) link

not particularly funny this evening but third of a letter grade bonus for SQUIRREL GIRL

all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 30 October 2009 03:28 (fourteen years ago) link

never-ending Batman monologue at the end A++

This revisionist bible is delicious (reddening), Friday, 30 October 2009 05:08 (fourteen years ago) link

"What up, Urkel"

kingfish, Friday, 30 October 2009 05:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I found the tripping scene pretty entertaining.

Super Cub, Saturday, 31 October 2009 09:26 (fourteen years ago) link

I wish they'd drop the will-they-won't-they (Joel McHale isn't that confident an actor, and they don't have the chemistry), but I'm really loving this show. Such a tremendous ensemble.

da croupier, Saturday, 31 October 2009 11:57 (fourteen years ago) link

i could not stop laughing during the tripping scene, and the way they cut to the commercial was perfect

cutty, Saturday, 31 October 2009 12:08 (fourteen years ago) link

i'd much rather hear post-30 rock screwball dialogue than faux-doc monologues at this point

da croupier, Saturday, 31 October 2009 12:20 (fourteen years ago) link

faux-doc?

cutty, Saturday, 31 October 2009 12:26 (fourteen years ago) link

mockumentary interview shit: office, p&r, modern family. forgive the french.

da croupier, Saturday, 31 October 2009 12:27 (fourteen years ago) link

i kept thinking doctor for some reason. yeah i agree.

cutty, Saturday, 31 October 2009 12:28 (fourteen years ago) link

in parks and recreation the mockumentary thing doesn't even make sense

cutty, Saturday, 31 October 2009 12:28 (fourteen years ago) link

i liked Troy's nodding along to the Mexican Halloween comment.

The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Saturday, 31 October 2009 12:49 (fourteen years ago) link

lol

cutty, Saturday, 31 October 2009 12:59 (fourteen years ago) link

this show is losing me a little bit, getting tired of every episode being about main dude trying to be all cool and withdrawn and then realizing at the end that he CARES about this lovable gang of misfits - this has happened like five times now, it's already old and it's going to get more annoying

abed as batman was great though, and ken jeong is nuts

congratulations (n/a), Saturday, 31 October 2009 13:39 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah ken jeong kinda steals every scene he's in. and while i agree with you, by now jeff has done his cool-then-caring-thing with every cast member and i have confidence in this show mixing it up soon enough

sonderangerbot, Saturday, 31 October 2009 15:01 (fourteen years ago) link

i don't know about ken jeong - the whole LOL he's azn teaching spanish! angle already turned me off, the scene-stealing seems too obvious, too

still, i enjoyed this episode nonetheless

Nhex, Saturday, 31 October 2009 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link

starting to catch up on the episodes, i thought ep 4 and 5 were pretty good. ken jeong is a big reason to watch the damn show and the british teacher is pretty funny

luol deng (am0n), Saturday, 31 October 2009 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link

i'd much rather hear post-30 rock screwball dialogue than faux-doc monologues at this point

― da croupier, Saturday, October 31, 2009 8:20 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the jim style parks&rec guy looked at the camera and shrugged a couple weeks ago

ice cr?m, Saturday, 31 October 2009 16:10 (fourteen years ago) link

troys eddie murphy costume was hilar in that it was also a joke abt how it was not a michael jackson costume

ice cr?m, Saturday, 31 October 2009 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link

That is probably going to be my favorite Halloween costume this year.

Otter madness (Nicole), Saturday, 31 October 2009 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link

tell me about the Beatles, Pierce

Nhex, Saturday, 31 October 2009 17:40 (fourteen years ago) link

the whole LOL he's azn teaching spanish! angle already turned me off,

I dunno. I think they only went for this joke in his first episode, where it worked.

I enjoyed him in this ep, from his little interjections that put a point on the scenes(from the Urkel to the Loooooser as he zooms by). He's great when used sparingly, instead of needing to have him do onscreen breakdowns alla time.

kingfish, Saturday, 31 October 2009 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

As good as the show is already (IMO), I think we'll see a distinct uptick in quality as the writers figure out how to best utilize the fantastic ensemble they have at their disposal.

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 31 October 2009 22:18 (fourteen years ago) link

troy is too much. he's got one of those faces i just look at and laugh. very subtle comedic actor. he will be famous.

cutty, Sunday, 1 November 2009 00:31 (fourteen years ago) link

dude should already be famous from this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcx4_CszaDI

Nhex, Sunday, 1 November 2009 01:17 (fourteen years ago) link

i really wanna like this show cuz i love mchale but this seems super contrived to me. like, the office is absurdist but it's still pretty grounded in believability whereas the characters in community and the premises of the episodes kind of seem to only be able to exist in minds of the writers. granted i've never been to community college so maybe i'm wrong but this is kinda boring imo.

― a goon boy (J0rdan S.), Thursday, October 29, 2009 10:53 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I don't see how this is any more contrived/less believable than 30 Rock

Bobby Wo (max), Monday, 2 November 2009 13:40 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm liking the show and think it can get better, but I'm really hating the tendency to be filled with aspirational platitudes. So far every episode has these "you're ok, I'm ok" pep-talks.

dan selzer, Monday, 2 November 2009 14:34 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm really hating the tendency to be filled with aspirational platitudes

Yeah, this. I like all the characters and I like watching their attempts to get to know each other, I just wish they wouldn't...talk...about it so much. I was fine with things like Abed's film making his dad cry, or Shirley talking about her husband leaving her, but when three or four characters are having these moments every episode, it starts to feel like an after-school special, and not in the good Strangers With Candy way.

Whatever though, I'm still enjoying it.

This revisionist bible is delicious (reddening), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link

like, the office is absurdist but it's still pretty grounded in believability whereas the characters in community and the premises of the episodes kind of seem to only be able to exist in minds of the writers.

This strikes me as a pretty big misstep of a comparison. Community is more obviously stylized and less grounded in reality. I think the commitment to that voice strengthens the absurdity. Whereas The Office wants to have cake and also eat it, and so denies its own foundational reality far too often.

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 00:15 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah i mean...some shows work hard to feel real and believable aside from being comedies, some just give you a vaguely realistic situation as a springboard for comedic stories and dialogue, this is very clearly the latter.

returnofthaghmac (some dude), Tuesday, 3 November 2009 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link

Have to agree w/Deric - I mean, the whole premise of the show is such a sitcom world, one step removed from the Seinfeld fake show/Butler premise. And yet, that blue study room is freakishly authentic to me - gives me chills!

Nhex, Tuesday, 3 November 2009 00:41 (fourteen years ago) link

omg batman <3 <3 <3

ms. thighs (tehresa), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 04:19 (fourteen years ago) link

i never even saw beastmaster, i just wanted to be cool

cutty, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 12:53 (fourteen years ago) link

"I'm kind of the Hawkeye around here."

Johnny Fever, Friday, 6 November 2009 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Not a funny episode. A laugh or two maybe.

dan selzer, Friday, 6 November 2009 01:43 (fourteen years ago) link

have you even ~seen~ beastmaster

how rad bandit (gbx), Friday, 6 November 2009 01:44 (fourteen years ago) link

xp I dunno. I laughed about as much as usual, but I just don't think it will ever be the kind of show that inspires riotous fits of laughter. And I keep finding new ways to compare it to Scrubs. If they start doing fantasy sequences regularly, watch out.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 6 November 2009 01:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I did like the that every poster in Abed's room was from a movie from 1985 - 1988, and this fact was never ever remarked upon.

I mean, there was a poster for 'Vibes.' VIBES, people!

kingfish, Friday, 6 November 2009 08:53 (fourteen years ago) link

great episode, esp. vaughn getting garfunkel confused with garfield

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 6 November 2009 14:32 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah that bit was great, really think the show is coming into its own

lindsay goham (some dude), Friday, 6 November 2009 14:36 (fourteen years ago) link

when the black dude came out to rap about pierce i lost it

cutty, Friday, 6 November 2009 14:45 (fourteen years ago) link

"In the last two days, I've spent a quarter."

kingfish, Friday, 6 November 2009 17:44 (fourteen years ago) link

that was definitely my favorite episode so far. it had the most going on. even chevy's prog keyboard solo was pretty inspired.

scott seward, Friday, 6 November 2009 17:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Great episode, I think they've finally moved on from introducing the characters and started using them as an ensemble.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 6 November 2009 18:50 (fourteen years ago) link

"I'm kind of the Hawkeye around here."

^^^this and Annie's over-enthusiastic dice rolling were the biggest lols of the night

musically, Saturday, 7 November 2009 00:42 (fourteen years ago) link

This show has been great and the cast as nearly flawless. The biggest problem I see with it, though, is that the Joel McHale character is, for a protagonist, really unlikable. This last episode the character was improving a bit and moving beyond aloof smartass so hopefully, like Ed said, they're going to start using the characters better and they're done setting them up. I worry that the show could have Arrested Development's problem in that, as funny as it is, the average viewer is turned off by all the eccentrics and the lack of normal, sympathetic characters.

And the "Do you like Dane Cook?" dig at the beginning of the inspirational class episode may have something to do with the fact that NBC was recently debating whether or not Joel or Dane should be given a major push by the network.

Cunga, Saturday, 7 November 2009 16:54 (fourteen years ago) link

i just realized annie is also trudy campbell

sonderangerbot, Saturday, 7 November 2009 16:57 (fourteen years ago) link

The biggest problem I see with it, though, is that the Joel McHale character is, for a protagonist, really unlikable.

― Cunga, Saturday, November 7, 2009 11:54 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

all the more reason for troy to step to the fore

ice cr?m, Saturday, 7 November 2009 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link

btw tiny nipples is rad in aggro mode

ice cr?m, Saturday, 7 November 2009 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Why on earth was the guy that plays Troy relegated to the role of writer on 30 Rock? Everyone who owned an internet connection back in 2006-07 knew he was a funny actor, and that he belonged in front of the camera.

Cunga, Saturday, 7 November 2009 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link

maybe it's just because these skinny jeans makes my ass look like a skinny pumpkin

cutty, Saturday, 7 November 2009 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link

baby pumpkin!

cutty, Saturday, 7 November 2009 18:48 (fourteen years ago) link

this show got good so fast

iatee, Saturday, 7 November 2009 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I really hope it doesn't get cancelled :/

iatee, Saturday, 7 November 2009 19:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Got a full season pickup. Not sure about the 2nd season yet.

kingfish, Saturday, 7 November 2009 19:20 (fourteen years ago) link

And the "Do you like Dane Cook?" dig at the beginning of the inspirational class episode may have something to do with the fact that NBC was recently debating whether or not Joel or Dane should be given a major push by the network.

I don't understand what this means. Was Dane Cook going to have a show on the fall schedule at some point? I'm sure he was never considered for Community.

The biggest problem I see with it, though, is that the Joel McHale character is, for a protagonist, really unlikable. This last episode the character was improving a bit and moving beyond aloof smartass so hopefully, like Ed said, they're going to start using the characters better and they're done setting them up.

I understand this, but I disagree with it. I think it's kind of great how they've set up this dynamic where the main character is someone who's always been slick and successful, but screwed up and now has to hang out with the uncool kids, and they keep dancing around the line between sympathetic and unsympathetic. It reminds me a little of the relationship between Sam Malone and the rest of the Cheers gang.

lindsay goham (some dude), Saturday, 7 November 2009 20:15 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah and this was the first episode where they acknowledged that jeff is a loser too

cutty, Saturday, 7 November 2009 20:25 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't understand what this means. Was Dane Cook going to have a show on the fall schedule at some point? I'm sure he was never considered for Community.

I had a friend who was a summer intern and he told me one meeting of tv executives was essentially about whether Dane Cook or Joel McHale would get certain promotional resources. I know no more details other than that Joel McHale had more support (and one female executive, the one my friend was interning for, thought nothing of Joel McHale other than that he was mean and rather unfunny).

I understand this, but I disagree with it. I think it's kind of great how they've set up this dynamic where the main character is someone who's always been slick and successful, but screwed up and now has to hang out with the uncool kids, and they keep dancing around the line between sympathetic and unsympathetic. It reminds me a little of the relationship between Sam Malone and the rest of the Cheers gang.

I love that dynamic, too, but the very qualities some like about the show (its unapologetic meanness towards Community College, Joel McHale's aloof and sarcastic persona, the comic-pathetic characters) might be a turn-off to NBC's usual audience. But it's changing and McHale might prove more likable. I like it precisely because it doesn't have those usual sitcommish qualities but I just wonder if, like AD, its own unpopularity might come from the show being so different.

Cunga, Saturday, 7 November 2009 21:06 (fourteen years ago) link

this show makes community college look 10x more fun than community college is, so I'm not sure it has 'unapologetic meanness'...

iatee, Saturday, 7 November 2009 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

wait you're worried that audiences won't embrace an "aloof and sarcastic" sitcom character? jesus it's like the 90s never happened.

lindsay goham (some dude), Saturday, 7 November 2009 22:12 (fourteen years ago) link

I probably am just being nit-picky, but dont' twist my words and be mistaken - I think the double-edged sword is that McHale's sarcasm and the show's tone is more biting than yr average sitcoms, and I'm just wondering out loud on here if that could pose a problem, or not.

iatee: mean in that it makes CC look like a circus of losers. Most other network television gets intentionally ambivalent but this show is content to not please everybody (and I like that about it).

Cunga, Saturday, 7 November 2009 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Have they revealed the reason why Pierce is there? I remember him being a former CEO but have they gone into that backstory?

Cunga, Saturday, 7 November 2009 23:04 (fourteen years ago) link

how is this show's tone more biting? seems pretty harmless to me

cutty, Saturday, 7 November 2009 23:22 (fourteen years ago) link

It's all pretty harmless (this is American network television), and occasionally it does cop-out like with the way they try to deal with everybody's problems, "I'm okay, you're okay"-talks, as mentioned upthread, but they go further than most (non-cartoon) network sitcoms would in making fun of people and CC.

Cunga, Saturday, 7 November 2009 23:44 (fourteen years ago) link

what people?! seriously who is getting made fun of here? people who go to community college?

cutty, Saturday, 7 November 2009 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link

the characters quirks are why the show is funny, not some biting commentary on american education

cutty, Saturday, 7 November 2009 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Never mind. Let's go back to agreeing that this show is super funny.

Cunga, Sunday, 8 November 2009 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link

DAMN MY TALENT!

some dude, Friday, 13 November 2009 01:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Annie = hotter every week.

Also, I really love this show now.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 13 November 2009 01:39 (fourteen years ago) link

falling into a drumset really hurts

cutty, Friday, 13 November 2009 01:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Revisiting the Spanish rap at the end was priceless.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 13 November 2009 03:45 (fourteen years ago) link

hahaha kept laughing during this ep. As long as they keep juggling the weekly combos each week, the character building should continue quite well. Annie is starting to show the fact that the actress is like 9 years older than the character.

kingfish, Friday, 13 November 2009 11:23 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah the whole annie/jeff thing is a little creepy given that her character is supposed to be 19ish and his is supposed to be 35ish

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 13 November 2009 12:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Annie or Troy being 18 is the one thing that's hard for me to suspend my disbelief.

ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 13 November 2009 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link

her character is supposed to be 19ish and his is supposed to be 35ish

nothing creepy about this ;)

cutty, Friday, 13 November 2009 13:20 (fourteen years ago) link

whoah is she really supposed to be 19? that was totally lost on me

lots of jerks (gbx), Friday, 13 November 2009 14:18 (fourteen years ago) link

her and Troy are right out of HS

cutty, Friday, 13 November 2009 14:49 (fourteen years ago) link

that was part og the reason jeff was so skeeved out by his attraction to her

ice cr?m, Friday, 13 November 2009 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link

wait, shit, i was thinking of the blonde one

lots of jerks (gbx), Friday, 13 November 2009 14:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Brunette = Annie. Blonde = Britta.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 13 November 2009 16:29 (fourteen years ago) link

riiiight

how old is britta supposed to be?

lots of jerks (gbx), Friday, 13 November 2009 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link

mid 20s?

ice cr?m, Friday, 13 November 2009 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link

great ;)

lots of jerks (gbx), Friday, 13 November 2009 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

Love that all the movie characters all kind look like the group and then there is the coolio troy.

a hoy hoy, Friday, 13 November 2009 18:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I think Britta was revealed to be 27.

Cunga, Friday, 13 November 2009 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link

28, hulu desktop just through up the first scene with Abed and Jeff.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 13 November 2009 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link

27 sounds right for Brita, old enough to drop out of high school & join greenpeace to impress Radiohead!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 13 November 2009 19:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Annie's transformation from cute to megahot this last episode was good stuff.

Cunga, Saturday, 14 November 2009 03:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Trudy Campbell vs. Annie

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 14 November 2009 03:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Don't watch Mad Men but I've assumed Trudy Campbell is 1950s adult Annie.

Cunga, Saturday, 14 November 2009 07:09 (fourteen years ago) link

not in the slightest. wonderful actress.

cutty, Saturday, 14 November 2009 12:54 (fourteen years ago) link

What are everybody's favorite lines so far? I could think of:

"You're an eight, and that's a British ten."

"Kick that for me."

"Wassup, Urkel?"

"I'm don't talk to people who emerge from bushes."
"cause I'm right, that's why"
"No, because I'm in not a commercial for kids cereal."

Cunga, Sunday, 15 November 2009 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link

the one about John Lennon killed me

no pun intended btw

musically, Sunday, 15 November 2009 01:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Forgot about that one. Just as funny as the others.

Cunga, Sunday, 15 November 2009 02:11 (fourteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzJSbxjVVjk

slightly nsfw. and slightly creepy

Nhex, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Speaking of slightly creepy, I thought Jeff and Annie had a lot more chemistry together than Jeff and Britta.

ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 03:21 (fourteen years ago) link

oh yeah that's totally true. fortunately irl she's not nearly that young

Nhex, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 03:41 (fourteen years ago) link

wth with that Alison Brie youtube thing. Is that her video headshot or something?

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 03:51 (fourteen years ago) link

UH

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 04:16 (fourteen years ago) link

re: that youtube

How laws are passed, sausage gets made and, new to the crew, what Hollywood actresses did before their big break. The big three, now.

Cunga, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 06:39 (fourteen years ago) link

def made some sausage w/ that video yaknowhwatimsayin

iatee, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 06:48 (fourteen years ago) link

wish i didn't

tehresa, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 06:53 (fourteen years ago) link

http://i38.tinypic.com/16jjwg8.jpg

Cunga, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 07:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Handiest gif out there imo.

Cunga, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 07:02 (fourteen years ago) link

the video was only posted less than two months ago though! looks like that guy does a lot of these short "video portraits"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SjPekY7M_w

Nhex, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 07:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Shows are in rerun this week, right?

Cunga, Thursday, 19 November 2009 05:49 (fourteen years ago) link

new eps of all the nbc shows this week. that makes ten straight weeks (minus 30 rocks late start) which means we're nearly halfway through the season already o_O

love this mumbo (Clay), Thursday, 19 November 2009 06:07 (fourteen years ago) link

nah, son, it's still sweeps month (xpost)

some dude, Thursday, 19 November 2009 06:08 (fourteen years ago) link

I love 30 Rock, but so far this show has been funnier this season. Ken Jeong is awesome.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 20 November 2009 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link

the episode last night was so fucking bizarre but it WORKS.

i'm sure the AN AMERICAN TAIL joke was lost on all but a few?

la monte jung (cutty), Friday, 20 November 2009 21:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Somewhere... out there...

Mordy, Friday, 20 November 2009 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link

you think? I can't imagine there were that many people sitting at home going "Fievel? I don't get it. what's that song they're singing?" xpost

dan me, perryhole (some dude), Friday, 20 November 2009 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link

really who has seen an american tail besides those born between 1976-1982?

la monte jung (cutty), Friday, 20 November 2009 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link

and remembers the songs?

la monte jung (cutty), Friday, 20 November 2009 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link

it's not like "a whole new world"

la monte jung (cutty), Friday, 20 November 2009 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link

I would have been more impressed if it had been "Dreams to Dream" from Fievel Goes West (which I had to sing in 8th grade choir).

windy = white, carl = black (polyphonic), Friday, 20 November 2009 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, cutty is right. last night's wasn't side-splittingly hilarious, but it had all these bizarre subplots that dovetailed perfectly in the final song.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 20 November 2009 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

fyi "Somewhere Out There" got to #2 on the Hot 100 and An American Tail was the highest grossing G rated film of 1986.

dan me, perryhole (some dude), Friday, 20 November 2009 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link

the song won a grammy cutty,

A GRAMMY!!!!!!

jazzgasms (Mr. Que), Friday, 20 November 2009 22:07 (fourteen years ago) link

I was born in 1984 and grew up on Feivel. This may, however, have something to do with the fact that the film was practically a family memoir.

Mordy, Friday, 20 November 2009 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Even if you don't know the song, Troy singing it is pretty funny.

windy = white, carl = black (polyphonic), Friday, 20 November 2009 22:10 (fourteen years ago) link

troys the best

super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 20 November 2009 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I thought the perfect capstone wasn't just that Troy was singing, but that he & Abed sang it in harmony.

kingfish, Friday, 20 November 2009 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

hah i got the american tail before he even said feivel!

tehresa, Friday, 20 November 2009 22:32 (fourteen years ago) link

only 100 people saw "an american tail," but every single one of them went out and made a condescending post on an internet message board

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 20 November 2009 22:55 (fourteen years ago) link

my mind is blown that that song won a grammy

la monte jung (cutty), Saturday, 21 November 2009 01:41 (fourteen years ago) link

oh come on, that song was so classic. i remember hearing it alllll the time as a kid!

tehresa, Saturday, 21 November 2009 02:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Man, between "An American Tail" and "Overboard" a couple weeks ago, this show is hitting all my nostalgia buttons.

they aren't werewolves until they hit werewolf puberty (reddening), Saturday, 21 November 2009 03:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Hey guys, my friend wrote last night's episode. I'm so proud :-)

Jouster, Saturday, 21 November 2009 05:20 (fourteen years ago) link

really who has seen an american tail besides those born between 1976-1982?

haha this is probably true. oh those don bluth movies

Nhex, Saturday, 21 November 2009 06:49 (fourteen years ago) link

naw recall my cousin born in 86 being deeply into american tale - its a minor classic

ice cr?m, Saturday, 21 November 2009 06:55 (fourteen years ago) link

i was born in 85 and i was really into fievel goes west--an american tale not as much

max, Saturday, 21 November 2009 10:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Dudes, when you drop the 'An', American Tail sounds like a whoooooooole other kinda movie.

I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 21 November 2009 11:08 (fourteen years ago) link

jouster, your friend has problems! the whole climax/denouement was so fricken out there. the brownie speech? loooooool

la monte jung (cutty), Saturday, 21 November 2009 13:01 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah the climax was out there. . . somewhere

jazzgasms (Mr. Que), Saturday, 21 November 2009 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link

That climax was so funny. Cutting between all the characters and having them harmonize that song was the funniest/craziest thing I've seen from NBC Thursdays this year, prob.

Cunga, Saturday, 21 November 2009 15:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Agreed on the climax, and while it was still pretty feel-good and look at everyone coming together and achieving their goals, it did it in a way that wasn't the aspirational preachiness of most of the episodes so far.

dan selzer, Saturday, 21 November 2009 17:26 (fourteen years ago) link

I forgot about the Dark Knight parody scene, though. That was good as well. Did anyone else hear rumors that the shows' creator isn't even sure if he wants to do more than one season of this? He'd rather have one amazing season than see quality slip over time.

Here's a youtube of the "Somewhere, Out There" scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZJHamGNOFQ

Cunga, Saturday, 21 November 2009 18:49 (fourteen years ago) link

man that is better the second time around. when senor chang screams? loooool

la monte jung (cutty), Saturday, 21 November 2009 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link

He'd rather have one amazing season than see quality slip over time.

Uh. The show is getting fairly good but come on.

windy = white, carl = black (polyphonic), Saturday, 21 November 2009 20:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I think it's far from great, though I enjoy it and have hopes. Just last night I said, "this is better then Parks and Recreation was last year", and P+R has been a total gem this year. I think Community can go either way. I'm rooting for it.

dan selzer, Saturday, 21 November 2009 21:04 (fourteen years ago) link

troy interview http://nymag.com/movies/features/62376

ice cr?m, Tuesday, 1 December 2009 05:37 (fourteen years ago) link

guys ken jeong is an actual DOCTOR

O_O

...you know what this means? i can return to my life as a child actor

crazy farting throwback jersey (gbx), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 18:43 (fourteen years ago) link

you were a child actor????? details?????

jazzgasms (Mr. Que), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link

haha it came up on some other threads recently, i thought it had been established--

crazy farting throwback jersey (gbx), Wednesday, 2 December 2009 18:46 (fourteen years ago) link

best episode ever. when troy was hungover at the end!

mascara and pies (a hoy hoy), Friday, 4 December 2009 10:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Pretty good episode. That security cop is from the Dasariski improv show in LA.

Cunga, Friday, 4 December 2009 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link

loved troy writing the crabs joke.

Wee xx (a hoy hoy), Friday, 4 December 2009 22:23 (fourteen years ago) link

He has such great facial expressions and split-second comic timing. I think that's what a previous poster meant when they said he was a subtle actor.

Remember "Ha. I'm funny." from a few weeks ago?

Cunga, Friday, 4 December 2009 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Okay, is that Anthony Michael Hall in the Freddie Mercury mustache?

I'm loving this particular episode more than most, so far.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 11 December 2009 01:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh bah. I posted on the other Community thread. Anyway, my fave two moments so far this episode:

"Ho ho ho. Merry happy!"

And Annie being Jewish.

Mordy, Friday, 11 December 2009 01:09 (fourteen years ago) link

"So, I didn't know you were a Jew." <--this isn't an offensive thing to say!

Mordy, Friday, 11 December 2009 01:13 (fourteen years ago) link

Man, Donald Glover is just about my favorite person in the world right now. "Give him the Forest Whitaker eye!"

Johnny Fever, Friday, 11 December 2009 01:14 (fourteen years ago) link

lol "To me, religion is like Paul Rudd."

Johnny Fever, Friday, 11 December 2009 01:15 (fourteen years ago) link

i just lost it with the forest whitaker eye

Bastards of Young Dro, Friday, 11 December 2009 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Now I'm afraid this show has peaked, because that was the best/funniest episode yet.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 11 December 2009 01:27 (fourteen years ago) link

so pumped for this episode now (west coast).

Cunga, Friday, 11 December 2009 03:37 (fourteen years ago) link

lol "To me, religion is like Paul Rudd."

^^this

Siberian Klaatu (get bent), Friday, 11 December 2009 04:15 (fourteen years ago) link

and yes, forest whitaker eye

Siberian Klaatu (get bent), Friday, 11 December 2009 04:17 (fourteen years ago) link

"am i right, JEW?"

Siberian Klaatu (get bent), Friday, 11 December 2009 04:21 (fourteen years ago) link

One of the things I like about this show is that within ~12 eps, they've built up the characters so that when Shirley talks about her post-final Christmas party, I am already anticipating lolz.

kingfish, Friday, 11 December 2009 06:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Jesus, this one was awesome. From Abed backing up Britta's jokes to the end-credits sequence.

kingfish, Friday, 11 December 2009 06:44 (fourteen years ago) link

Oops, can a moderator stop this other thread

community on NBC

curmudgeon, Friday, 11 December 2009 13:56 (fourteen years ago) link

"Why'd she have to be black?" was maybe my favorite line, but there were many good ones.

Cunga, Friday, 11 December 2009 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah this was a good ep i thought

being being kiss-ass fake nice (gbx), Friday, 11 December 2009 20:47 (fourteen years ago) link

fuckin forest whitaker eye!!!

tehresa, Saturday, 12 December 2009 05:47 (fourteen years ago) link

but their take on jehovah's witnesses was a lil off imo

tehresa, Saturday, 12 December 2009 05:47 (fourteen years ago) link

this has got really good!

"Why'd she have to be black?" was maybe my favorite line, but there were many good ones.

― Cunga, Friday, December 11, 2009 8:46 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark

otm.

am i being retarded though? i didn't get "say the whole word".

Smokey and the S'Banned It (history mayne), Monday, 14 December 2009 00:48 (fourteen years ago) link

i think the idea is that when shirley said "jew" it sound pejorative

max, Monday, 14 December 2009 00:49 (fourteen years ago) link

i was never particularly into Chevy Chase, but man, everything he does on this show has me breaking up

dell (del), Monday, 14 December 2009 02:43 (fourteen years ago) link

he's doing everything he's always done!

robster craws (cutty), Monday, 14 December 2009 04:10 (fourteen years ago) link

I think this is the best episode yet. This show is becoming comedy gold.

Chevy Chase is good in this show, because he's used sparingly. Chevy Chase vehicles are usually awful; CC as an ensemble cast member = comedy gold.

Super Cub, Monday, 14 December 2009 04:15 (fourteen years ago) link

^^otm

Nhex, Monday, 14 December 2009 04:38 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Didn't much care for the pilot so didn't watch further, but because I have no life, watched the mini-marathon, I have now some catching up to do. Also, Mrs. Pete Campbell is yowza.

Leee, Tuesday, 29 December 2009 19:54 (fourteen years ago) link

good thing you have no life. this show is the best!

bum-sniff deviant (cutty), Tuesday, 29 December 2009 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link

I wouldn't go that far, but yes, I quite like it now.

Leee, Thursday, 31 December 2009 06:08 (fourteen years ago) link

it is my favorite new show of 2009

bum-sniff deviant (cutty), Thursday, 31 December 2009 10:49 (fourteen years ago) link

Did anyone else hear rumors that the shows' creator isn't even sure if he wants to do more than one season of this? He'd rather have one amazing season than see quality slip over time.

― Cunga, Saturday, November 21, 2009 1:49 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This isn't really correct. In the AV Club interview -- http://www.avclub.com/milwaukee/articles/how-dan-harmon-went-from-doing-comedysportz-in-mil,34126/ -- Harmon said he only wants to be showrunner for the first season and then let someone else do it so he can go off and do other projects. And obviously if it's successful NBC will keep it going regardless of the creator's level of involvement. Kinda makes sense, since Harmon did the Channel 101 website and Acceptable TV series on VH1 (which was awesome and hilarious), where they'd create new mini-shows every week and let people vote on whether they come back for new episodes, so I can see how he'd get bored doing the same show for years and years.

as far as the eye (ken c) (some dude), Thursday, 31 December 2009 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link

zomg I dreamt I went on a date with Annie.

It did not end well.

Leee, Thursday, 14 January 2010 05:22 (fourteen years ago) link

owen wilson, what are you doing here

max, Friday, 15 January 2010 18:10 (fourteen years ago) link

yo i need my genitals

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 15 January 2010 18:11 (fourteen years ago) link

i received a text message about free Sephora samples?

Al Gore invented the internet to house the bitterness of humanity (reddening), Saturday, 16 January 2010 01:39 (fourteen years ago) link

also you could tell donald glover worked on 30 rock from the way he said "but don't get audited! cuz that's bad!"

Al Gore invented the internet to house the bitterness of humanity (reddening), Saturday, 16 January 2010 01:39 (fourteen years ago) link

hahaha, senor chang wins that episode.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 16 January 2010 07:45 (fourteen years ago) link

this show has some of the best throwaway lines

♖♕♖ (am0n), Saturday, 16 January 2010 20:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Senor Chang is one of the best characters on television, no question.

real bears playing hockey (polyphonic), Saturday, 16 January 2010 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link

this episode was better than both 30 rock episodes, and this wasn't even that great

i liked how they were making fun of the jack black persona

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Saturday, 16 January 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

They did? In that case I look forward to seeing the last episode.

Cunga, Saturday, 16 January 2010 21:00 (fourteen years ago) link

this ep was lmfao imo.

free the charmless but occasionally brilliant Dom Passantino (history mayne), Sunday, 17 January 2010 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link

One of the best yet, I thought.

Simon H., Sunday, 17 January 2010 19:18 (fourteen years ago) link

was very surprised to learn starburns is one of the cool kids. but yeah he did have drugs at the halloween party.

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Sunday, 17 January 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah that was a good reveal - totally shifted my perspective on "the group"

supra-max (ice cr?m), Sunday, 17 January 2010 19:35 (fourteen years ago) link

btw from the jack black episode re: shirley's friend - "he's from finland, he doesn't get our humor" ;)

♖♕♖ (am0n), Monday, 18 January 2010 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link

I was really hoping he was called Tuomas when I was watching this.

ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 18 January 2010 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link

haha i totally thought about tuomas too!!

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Monday, 18 January 2010 21:17 (fourteen years ago) link

last episode was great.

Cunga, Thursday, 21 January 2010 00:22 (fourteen years ago) link

girls are supposed to dance. that's why god gave them parts that jiggle.

tehresa, Friday, 22 January 2010 07:05 (fourteen years ago) link

kinda sucked, i don't like when they go too heavy on feel-good subplots (nbc tampering?) and too light on snark and funny

♖♕♖ (am0n), Friday, 22 January 2010 16:25 (fourteen years ago) link

ken jeong's burp after he ate that mad men chick's brains was great

super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 22 January 2010 16:56 (fourteen years ago) link

All in your cabeza
Without a chase-a

carne asada, Friday, 22 January 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link

http://i50.tinypic.com/2w6s65f.jpg

carne asada, Friday, 22 January 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link

:D

♖♕♖ (am0n), Friday, 22 January 2010 20:03 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah this week was not zippy enough. jeff is becoming a man zzzzz.
i still love troy and abed though.

tehresa, Friday, 22 January 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link

This was one of the lesser episodes imo.

The scenes between Jeff and the Professor were poorly acted. They both had that "this is so awkward I want to laugh to ease the tension" look.

though we also got winners like "truth is ketchup...truth is Jim Belushi. It isn't meant to blow our minds."

Cunga, Friday, 22 January 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

i liked the postcredits joke a lot

Lamp, Friday, 22 January 2010 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link

i liked abed's dance steps

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Friday, 22 January 2010 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link

i also liked shirley's speech describing brita's preparation of jeff as a cup of coffee

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Friday, 22 January 2010 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link

<3 the subtle use of "they put me on crosswords because i'm a girl AND I LOVE CROSSWORDS" setting up the credits joek.

dumb mack maine follows (a hoy hoy), Friday, 22 January 2010 22:01 (fourteen years ago) link

how could I forget that callback? very nice.

Cunga, Friday, 22 January 2010 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link

the return of senor chang is the best two minutes of television in 2010.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 22 January 2010 23:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I just found out the dude who played Vaughn (surf-bro who dated Britta) went to Pepperdine. No wonder he did such a good job.

Cunga, Friday, 22 January 2010 23:43 (fourteen years ago) link

what about the turbotax ad at the end w/ ken jeong/dean

♖♕♖ (am0n), Friday, 22 January 2010 23:50 (fourteen years ago) link

boo rerun tonight? :(

Ponger12, Friday, 29 January 2010 00:57 (fourteen years ago) link

I did eat all the macaroni. It's messed up that he knows.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 5 February 2010 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm not that cool. i'm not juno, homeslice

Mordy, Friday, 5 February 2010 01:26 (fourteen years ago) link

Let's go film the sex scene.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 5 February 2010 01:30 (fourteen years ago) link

This is really one of the funniest shows on television.

Mordy, Friday, 5 February 2010 01:37 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm surprised that the alison brie bikini shoot hasn't been posted here yet

Sex Sexual (kingfish), Friday, 5 February 2010 06:55 (fourteen years ago) link

ya know... it actually kinda doesn't work

Nhex, Friday, 5 February 2010 07:06 (fourteen years ago) link

SHUT UP, Leonard! No one even knows what you're talking about!

Sex Sexual (kingfish), Friday, 5 February 2010 09:17 (fourteen years ago) link

needs a .gif for when everyone was looking at each other having sexual thoughts

stop assuming I assumed something LOL (CaptainLorax), Friday, 5 February 2010 21:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Chevy was killin' it this ep.

Roomful of Moogs (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 5 February 2010 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Amazing ep, top 3 fer sure

Simon H., Friday, 5 February 2010 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

when abed did the eyebrows thing

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Saturday, 6 February 2010 00:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Abed and troy's "they're just jealous" was so awesome. Also lollll phyllis diller!

tehresa, Saturday, 6 February 2010 00:24 (fourteen years ago) link

The existence of starburns and knowing he has to stay like that outside of filming makes me lol constantly.

80085 (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 6 February 2010 00:28 (fourteen years ago) link

they are not real

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Saturday, 6 February 2010 00:37 (fourteen years ago) link

Don't ruin it.

80085 (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 6 February 2010 00:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I liked how they managed to shoe-horn Senor Chang into things. "CLEARLY none of my other plans fell through."

Also:

http://i50.tinypic.com/s0xwty.jpg

Al Gore invented the internet to house the bitterness of humanity (reddening), Saturday, 6 February 2010 00:57 (fourteen years ago) link

aren't they real? thought he was a writer who wore fake ones at first and then just grew them out.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Saturday, 6 February 2010 00:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Community (and Parks & Recreation, too) is proof you can't judge the goodness of a show by its pilot alone. This show is completely hilarious and maybe the best thing on tv now.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 6 February 2010 01:00 (fourteen years ago) link

i have the weirdest boner right now.

jonathan - stl, Saturday, 6 February 2010 03:43 (fourteen years ago) link

i haven't seen it since it first aired to compare to recent episodes, but i really liked the pilot!

some dude, Saturday, 6 February 2010 04:03 (fourteen years ago) link

everything is connected: rocks, eagles, hats..

Screeching Weerasethakul (Pillbox), Saturday, 6 February 2010 04:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Alison Brie in this ep (& in general) = ws x 1000

Screeching Weerasethakul (Pillbox), Saturday, 6 February 2010 04:11 (fourteen years ago) link

micro-nipples

♖♕♖ (am0n), Saturday, 6 February 2010 05:03 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm younger than the 3 of you combined

stop assuming I assumed something LOL (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 6 February 2010 06:23 (fourteen years ago) link

You think I'm too old to make monkeyshines at a picture show?

Al Gore invented the internet to house the bitterness of humanity (reddening), Saturday, 6 February 2010 08:58 (fourteen years ago) link

this ep was a stone classic. lol at chevy chase doing robin williams. every1 had a classic bit, but "im not juno, homeslice" is just.

the highest per-vote vag so far (history mayne), Sunday, 7 February 2010 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link

he's a younger "that asian guy from lost"

carne asada, Friday, 12 February 2010 16:47 (fourteen years ago) link

really is my favorite show on TV right now

da croupier, Friday, 12 February 2010 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link

It reminds me a little of the relationship between Sam Malone and the rest of the Cheers gang.

This is pretty otm, and the way they've reworked the sam-and-diane act (which grated in the first few episodes) has been great.

da croupier, Friday, 12 February 2010 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link

excited to see how season two will go now that they have the form down, though i dunno how they can hope to keep people in community college forever if it hits.

da croupier, Friday, 12 February 2010 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link

jeff brings them all to law school where he teaches

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Friday, 12 February 2010 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link

the show is just such a pleasure for me, even when it's not funny i'm delighted

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Friday, 12 February 2010 17:10 (fourteen years ago) link

jeff brings them all to law school where he teaches

Dan Harmon (creator of the show) actually addressed this in a recent interview:

I don’t have any ambition to be the next Laverne & Shirley, and have it run two decades. Jeff’s not going to grow a beard and start teaching there while the rest of them open a pet store across the street.

He also mentions that it's possible to get a bachelor's degree at a community college, so the show basically has a four-year plan laid out. That interview and this one from E!Online are pretty interesting looks at how he's dealing with the expectations from the fandom that's sprouted up.

we are too good to live in squalor (reddening), Friday, 12 February 2010 17:31 (fourteen years ago) link

apparently community colleges have wacky themed dance parties every week

am0n, Friday, 12 February 2010 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link

i love dan harmon. his blog and twitter are gold mines.

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Friday, 12 February 2010 17:32 (fourteen years ago) link

and this: http://www.channel101.com/shows/view.php?media_id=1764

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Friday, 12 February 2010 17:33 (fourteen years ago) link

In July 2009, Harmon was nominated in two Emmy categories for his part in writing the Oscar telecast: Outstanding Writing for a Variety, Music or Comedy Special and Outstanding Original Music and Lyrics, the latter of which he was awarded for "Hugh Jackman Opening Number" at the 61st Primetime Emmy Awards.

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Friday, 12 February 2010 17:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Of course it could be like MASH and be an 11 year moebius loop of the korean war community college.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 12 February 2010 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

"at the picnic!"

this show is still stupid funny, new episode coming this week i hope?

sonderangerbot, Monday, 1 March 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah!

shite new answers (cutty), Monday, 1 March 2010 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link

brunette in this show is cuet

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 1 March 2010 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought tonights was among the best.

dan selzer, Friday, 5 March 2010 04:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I laughed at the naked pool bit way more than I want to admit, but also hopeful that due to the Abed plot we'll get a bit less of him just being the self-aware/fourth wall breaking loser of the group

Nhex, Friday, 5 March 2010 05:12 (fourteen years ago) link

I've never thought Abed was a loser.

Jouster, Friday, 5 March 2010 06:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Really enjoyed this one a bunch.

Your body is a spiderland (polyphonic), Friday, 5 March 2010 06:11 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah this episode was tops, and the way they totally went for broke with that last scene was kind of unexpected and awesome

some dude, Friday, 5 March 2010 06:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Loser was not quite the word I was looking for, but I just read this AVClub review that nailed what I wanted to say far more eloquently:

The show's detractors often write it off as a series about a bunch of types who interact with each other in utterly predictable ways. And while that was true of some of the earliest episodes of the series, I don't think it's true anymore. As the series has slowly given every character in its ensemble showcase episodes that show them off, it's found the human beings behind the types. Take a look at how the show treats Abed tonight (in what's probably the best showcase the series has come up with for Danny Pudi). Abed's been the typical TV character who's detached and sort of aloof, an outsider who hangs out with our cast. (Harmon compared him to a wide variety of TV characters, including Mork and the Fonz.) But this episode shows that that's just a level of comfort with himself that the other characters lack, a level of comfort that they envy in some ways. Just like Britta is not an ice-cold bitch but, rather, a girl who's only beginning to realize how little she understands the way she gets in her own way or like Troy is not just a dumb jock but also a guy who's always leading with his heart (but is easily swayed by others), Abed's revealed to be something more than what he appears.

Nhex, Friday, 5 March 2010 07:22 (fourteen years ago) link

YOU MAGNIFICENT SON OF A BITCH!

T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Friday, 5 March 2010 07:24 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah that's a good point about how much they're willing to toy with and put new angles on the characters, even so early on in the show's run. i mean i never would've thought from the pilot episode that Troy would've become such a weird and hilarious character.

some dude, Friday, 5 March 2010 07:42 (fourteen years ago) link

i never liked this show, but i'll watch tonight's episode once it's up on hulu tomorrow

HOOM gang (J0rdan S.), Friday, 5 March 2010 08:09 (fourteen years ago) link

What is the origin of "you magnificent son of a bitch?" I feel like I've been hearing that phrase forever as a semi-reference.

Jouster, Friday, 5 March 2010 09:25 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, this has replaced 30 Rock as the Show of My Heart. Something about seeing the coach walking around naked with his farmer tan just killed me. I was actually pretty impressed with the guy who played the coach -- it would've been easy to sound hammy and overdone with some of those lines, but he really sold it.

Need .gif of Abed being a vampire.

the jaws of impermanence and soul death (reddening), Friday, 5 March 2010 11:20 (fourteen years ago) link

loled at the Mad Men thing too. <3 Alison Brie.

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Friday, 5 March 2010 12:21 (fourteen years ago) link

I really like some of the changes they're making with the characters, especially making Brita more vulnerable (see the ballet dancing episode, drunk dialing, her breaking down when everyone makes fun of her in last night's episode) instead of just being the sassy ice queen all the time.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 5 March 2010 13:52 (fourteen years ago) link

the episode was great. brita's pronuncation of bagel had us freaking rolling.

carne asada, Friday, 5 March 2010 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link

My 2 year old says bagel the way Britta does.

ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 5 March 2010 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link

hmmm

Freddy 'The Wonder Chicken' (Gukbe), Friday, 5 March 2010 23:58 (fourteen years ago) link

My car's GPS says bagel the way Britta does (we have it set on the British accent voice and one day we set the destination as "Ein-steeeen Bross Bag-els")

some dude, Saturday, 6 March 2010 00:02 (fourteen years ago) link

lol @ "you are the worst."

Simon H., Saturday, 6 March 2010 01:16 (fourteen years ago) link

http://ow.ly/1ePRs

NBC press release

Sex Sexual (kingfish), Saturday, 6 March 2010 01:33 (fourteen years ago) link

doope ep, v high quality

ice cr?m, Saturday, 6 March 2010 01:50 (fourteen years ago) link

so torn between being happy for this show and being anxious about the increasing possibility of Joel getting his Kinnear on and leaving The Soup

some dude, Saturday, 6 March 2010 02:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Even if ABC hadn't just cancelled Better off Ted, that episode would have finally settled it as to which was the best comedy currently on US TV.

in britain its pronounced bygule

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 6 March 2010 02:02 (fourteen years ago) link

not surprised about Better Off Ted but still bummed to hear :(

some dude, Saturday, 6 March 2010 02:05 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not sure if it has officially been cancelled but most of the actors seem to be working on other things. However, given how bad ABC at scheduling and promoting things it would surprise me if any announcement has slipped completely under the radar.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 6 March 2010 02:17 (fourteen years ago) link

"Oh come on, if all Chinese were psychic you would have started using birth control centuries ago..."

Ballistic, Saturday, 6 March 2010 02:19 (fourteen years ago) link

total bliss watching this show

mchale was excellent, his detractors can shut up now

shite new answers (cutty), Saturday, 6 March 2010 02:48 (fourteen years ago) link

even though you want them to keep this show tight and not drag on forever in a way i wouldn't mind it because it's got that thing where i have a new favorite character every week, and those shows are very rare

sonderangerbot, Saturday, 6 March 2010 02:50 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, this show is pretty unfuckable with atm

carne asada, Saturday, 6 March 2010 02:52 (fourteen years ago) link

parks and rec not renewed apparently?

shite new answers (cutty), Saturday, 6 March 2010 03:05 (fourteen years ago) link

no, parks and rec was renewed early a couple weeks ago

the jaws of impermanence and soul death (reddening), Saturday, 6 March 2010 03:10 (fourteen years ago) link

McHale has detractors?

some dude, Saturday, 6 March 2010 03:13 (fourteen years ago) link

wasn't he playing the manager in burger king commercials in like 2003?

Ballistic, Saturday, 6 March 2010 03:15 (fourteen years ago) link

yep

Nhex, Saturday, 6 March 2010 03:18 (fourteen years ago) link

2003 is completely irrelevant, in 2003 i was sitting down to get a mediocre grade in the ap us governmnent exam and now i'm here on the internet to tell you that community owns even when it is really cheesy and you can see all the parts being fitted together

A B C, Saturday, 6 March 2010 03:19 (fourteen years ago) link

that wasn't meant as a dis, I was seriously asking. He actually was really funny in those. next time I saw him was Spiderman 2, don't watch The Soup tho...

Ballistic, Saturday, 6 March 2010 03:20 (fourteen years ago) link

the soup is very special. mostly really stupid, but awesome fun. though their skits are the worst part. Choosing random reality TV bits, repeating them until they become their own religion and even then having the source come in and take part in the joke is always good. I mean, spaghetti cat was pretty good, but Chicken Tetrazzini was really special.

dan selzer, Saturday, 6 March 2010 03:28 (fourteen years ago) link

hahaha. Leonard is this show's Creed.

"Touche."

Also, Joel McHale was in the pilot for the American version of 'The IT Crowd,' right?

Sex Sexual (kingfish), Sunday, 7 March 2010 05:41 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah

some dude, Sunday, 7 March 2010 09:53 (fourteen years ago) link

http://img6.yfrog.com/i/4l2.mp4/

shite new answers (cutty), Sunday, 7 March 2010 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link

What is the origin of "you magnificent son of a bitch?" I feel like I've been hearing that phrase forever as a semi-reference.

This is from Patton, Patton says it about Rommel.

I Am Curious (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 11 March 2010 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Great episode.

Mordy, Friday, 12 March 2010 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link

That scene with Britta was omgwtf

Mordy, Friday, 12 March 2010 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link

totally

Nhex, Friday, 12 March 2010 03:37 (fourteen years ago) link

I HATE GLEE

gabourey weaver (get bent), Friday, 12 March 2010 04:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Good lord Katharine McPhee is pretty. I also appreciated the line about choking the Little Mermaid with a bike chain.

T Bone Streep (Cave17Matt), Friday, 12 March 2010 06:40 (fourteen years ago) link

lol Rabbi Chang

"'Senior' Chang?"

Roomful of Moogs (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 12 March 2010 18:27 (fourteen years ago) link

That was Katherine McPhee???!? I had no idea.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 12 March 2010 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link

omg she is hot

nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Saturday, 13 March 2010 00:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Glee-hating coda was the greatest. "(sob) I don't understand the appeal at all!"

the jaws of impermanence and soul death (reddening), Saturday, 13 March 2010 01:55 (fourteen years ago) link

not sure if i approve of this new not so dorky annie, it's distracting me from the jokes

sonderangerbot, Saturday, 13 March 2010 02:19 (fourteen years ago) link

She's still a goody-goody, though, which was always her central trait.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 13 March 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link

Laughed really hard at the Britta spanking scene, and the Glee joke.

Your body is a spiderland (polyphonic), Saturday, 13 March 2010 23:32 (fourteen years ago) link

Laughed so hard at that scene... so many layers of funny. Troy peaking and cringing, main guy and hot chick coming in, britta being spanked!

Last weak it was Abed's vampire impression that had me rolling

CaptainLorax, Sunday, 14 March 2010 00:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Need .gif of Abed being a vampire.
― the jaws of impermanence and soul death (reddening)

haha agree. you made the .gif of all of them having sexual thoughts and I never thanked you for that. so thank you

CaptainLorax, Sunday, 14 March 2010 00:07 (fourteen years ago) link

"a zero ghost tolerance policy"

kogi taco ergo sum (get bent), Friday, 19 March 2010 03:03 (fourteen years ago) link

"welcome aboard the s.s. nose candy"

kogi taco ergo sum (get bent), Friday, 19 March 2010 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link

"king of the world!"

stuffies don't have corn in 'em (KMS), Friday, 19 March 2010 03:17 (fourteen years ago) link

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tvsquad.com/media/2005/03/buster.jpg

Hey, it that's guy!

stuffies don't have corn in 'em (KMS), Friday, 19 March 2010 03:23 (fourteen years ago) link

goldblooming!

tehresa, Friday, 19 March 2010 05:47 (fourteen years ago) link

oh wow, lee majors!

Sex Sexual (kingfish), Friday, 19 March 2010 06:12 (fourteen years ago) link

ha that was a great ending!

shite new answers (cutty), Friday, 19 March 2010 13:44 (fourteen years ago) link

The "Goldbluming" line had me in literal fits of laughter. Had to pause the show for a good 90 seconds to compose myself.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 19 March 2010 14:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Need .gif of Abed being a vampire.
― the jaws of impermanence and soul death (reddening)

http://i50.tinypic.com/za32a.jpg

Bastards of Young Dro, Friday, 19 March 2010 14:20 (fourteen years ago) link

"damn, he's ghost-ridin' a jib."

LaMonte, Friday, 19 March 2010 22:39 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't get the Goldbluming line...

musically, Saturday, 20 March 2010 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link

have you never seen a jeff goldblum film? almost any one of them?

he might have even have gone in. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 20 March 2010 17:40 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't remember it being said so I don't remember the context, thank you for explaining so willingly though

musically, Saturday, 20 March 2010 18:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Jeff Goldblum often seen in films hunched over books, going crazy trying to figure something out. This is what Jeff was doing when the comment was made.

he might have even have gone in. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 20 March 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link

if you didn't remember it being said then how can you say you don't get it?

shite new answers (cutty), Saturday, 20 March 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link

because two people mentioned it upthread?

musically, Saturday, 20 March 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link

not remembering a joke vs. not getting a joke

shite new answers (cutty), Saturday, 20 March 2010 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link

I didn't remember the joke because I didn't get it at the time. Seeing it mentioned upthread made me realize I missed a joke. I hope you are finally able to grasp the situation.

musically, Saturday, 20 March 2010 19:29 (fourteen years ago) link

obligatory
http://i40.tinypic.com/1zvvo6c.gif

Nhex, Saturday, 20 March 2010 19:41 (fourteen years ago) link

they need to give her more time, feels like she's been in the bg a lot. The Debate episode was one of my favorites.

musically, Saturday, 20 March 2010 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link

http://img.skitch.com/20100321-p85xywc1shnidx13ydx5pqpsts.jpg
<3 this show

cozen, Sunday, 21 March 2010 11:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Donald Glover's stand up special on Friday night was pretty funny for the most part. You can tell he's still kind of new to the game, though.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 21 March 2010 12:48 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah he was definitely hit and miss but entertaining

some dude, Sunday, 21 March 2010 19:13 (fourteen years ago) link

where did it air?

shite new answers (cutty), Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

It was on Comedy Central.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 21 March 2010 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Hooooooooooooly shit tonight's episode was so goddamn fucking funny. The LOLs came faster than usual.

Usain Bolt Cola (Cattle Grind), Friday, 26 March 2010 01:48 (fourteen years ago) link

troy and abed in the morning <3
^^^would actually watch every morning

tehresa, Friday, 26 March 2010 05:02 (fourteen years ago) link

i actually had trouble breathing i was laughing so hard during the cookie crisp thing at the end

shite new answers (cutty), Friday, 26 March 2010 11:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Annie slamming Winger's head into the table is an image I never want to forget...

Usain Bolt Cola (Cattle Grind), Friday, 26 March 2010 13:14 (fourteen years ago) link

I was rolling while Annie was spraying the pepper spray and running directly into the mist.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 26 March 2010 14:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Mornin' boys. I'm Annie Edison, but people call me Psycho because I had a nervous breakdown in high school. My partner's a Christian housewife.

Nhex, Friday, 26 March 2010 19:58 (fourteen years ago) link

troy and abed in the morning <3
^^^would actually watch every morning

― tehresa, Friday, March 26, 2010 1:02 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

otm

max, Friday, 26 March 2010 19:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I love the fact that they didn't have a camera, but could provide Jeff with a Lavalierre mic.

Roomful of Moogs (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 26 March 2010 20:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Abed's po'd police chief rant was CLASSIC. I was crying...

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 26 March 2010 20:21 (fourteen years ago) link

It was very chief from Beverly Hills Cop. Everything to do with Cookie Crisp was killing me too.

ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 26 March 2010 20:27 (fourteen years ago) link

uh pierce reading jeff's mind: "gay ... soo gay"

congratulations (n/a), Saturday, 27 March 2010 05:02 (fourteen years ago) link

i actually had trouble breathing i was laughing so hard during the cookie crisp thing at the end

― shite new answers (cutty), Friday, March 26, 2010 7:09 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^yar

ice cr?m, Saturday, 27 March 2010 05:13 (fourteen years ago) link

For me, this one is the best of NBC's Thursday night sitcom lineup.

Tesla, the Electric Jesus (KMS), Saturday, 27 March 2010 06:05 (fourteen years ago) link

http://kellyoxford.tumblr.com/post/479774445/my-story-about-the-film-monster-house

"I’ll tell you why. Because Gil Kenan is a hack and Steven Spielberg is a moron."

rip sarah silverman 3/19/10 never forget (history mayne), Tuesday, 30 March 2010 15:36 (fourteen years ago) link

what an awesome story

just sayin, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 15:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Dan Harmon ftw

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 30 March 2010 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

great episode tonight!

Nhex, Friday, 23 April 2010 02:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Seriously dying at the layla bridge.

s.clover, Friday, 23 April 2010 02:28 (fourteen years ago) link

All the show needed was someone to say: "I gotta go get the papers, get the papers"

Beer me a Lagavulin (KMS), Friday, 23 April 2010 03:40 (fourteen years ago) link

massive episode, these guys are on such a roll i'm almost mad that they're gonna go on summer hiatus soon and have to pick up in a few months.

some dude, Friday, 23 April 2010 04:49 (fourteen years ago) link

wheres the thread about tv shows within tv shows? abed calling out law & order for stealing their plot was aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamazing.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, 23 April 2010 07:12 (fourteen years ago) link

oh yeah I DIED at that one! (cuz it was true)

Nhex, Friday, 23 April 2010 07:22 (fourteen years ago) link

The episode in two weeks is going to blow minds.

Jouster, Friday, 23 April 2010 08:45 (fourteen years ago) link

amazing episode
http://i40.tinypic.com/35hmjih.gif

Steve Sharta (cozen), Friday, 23 April 2010 08:53 (fourteen years ago) link

http://twitter.com/AnniesB00bs

Steve Sharta (cozen), Friday, 23 April 2010 08:54 (fourteen years ago) link

totally awesome ep so far

GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Friday, 23 April 2010 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link

I loved that episode so much. I don't want it to go on summer hiatus.

ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 23 April 2010 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Not crazy about that one! Some great moments, but it felt like it crossed over into full-on parody territory in a way I wasn't totally pleased with.

Simon H., Friday, 23 April 2010 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link

oh man the Goodfellas satire was magnifique

Bogart Puff 'n Stuff (Cattle Grind), Saturday, 24 April 2010 01:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Closing the door a la The Godfather made me lol

no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Saturday, 24 April 2010 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link

yea, as soon as that happened I probably disturbed my roommate with guffawing laughter.....that was as good as the moment on the Sopranos where they subtlety spoofed the "elevator" into funeral parlour scene from Godfather....

Bogart Puff 'n Stuff (Cattle Grind), Saturday, 24 April 2010 01:36 (fourteen years ago) link

so apparently back in March, someone sent Dan Harmon this message on Twitter:

both Modern Family and Glee are streets ahead of your meta bullshit

and Dan Harmon decided everyone should be using this expression, made a PSA about it, and wrote it into an episode that aired barely a month later. the internet age is insane.

the international mooncake trade (reddening), Saturday, 24 April 2010 08:22 (fourteen years ago) link

ha

WTF cat with unfitting music (kingfish), Saturday, 24 April 2010 08:32 (fourteen years ago) link

OK, that's awesome.

Simon H., Saturday, 24 April 2010 09:29 (fourteen years ago) link

LOL. what a way to zing someone by giving it to Pearce to say....that rules.

Bogart Puff 'n Stuff (Cattle Grind), Saturday, 24 April 2010 09:58 (fourteen years ago) link

As soon as they nodded to goodfellas I was praying for the Layla bridge...damn that was an awesome ep. Streets ahead!!

VegemiteGrrrl, Sunday, 25 April 2010 05:19 (thirteen years ago) link

uh pierce reading jeff's mind: "gay ... soo gay"
― congratulations (n/a), Saturday, 27 March 2010 05:02 (4 weeks ago)

that was a really amazing bit imo. pierce got so passionate about it

CaptainLorax, Sunday, 25 April 2010 05:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Have decided that, as funny as Ken Jeong is in movies, THIS show is where he's at his peak.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 30 April 2010 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Brilliant ep tonight. as usual

Mordy, Friday, 30 April 2010 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link

oh man that was perfect

kill whiney (cutty), Friday, 30 April 2010 01:20 (thirteen years ago) link

I went to community college full time when I was 16 but I was totally awesome and popular so I didn't relate to this episode at all.

musically, Friday, 30 April 2010 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh I enjoyed that.

WTF cat with unfitting music (kingfish), Friday, 30 April 2010 05:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Hilarious! I can't wait for the action movie next week

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 30 April 2010 05:48 (thirteen years ago) link

I want Abed and Troy to have their own Harold and Kumar type big screen film.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 30 April 2010 06:15 (thirteen years ago) link

we have lost our turtle! or our johnny drama! or e... that show is sloppy

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, 30 April 2010 12:17 (thirteen years ago) link

^^^^ lol

Dennis Parrotin' (some dude), Friday, 30 April 2010 12:18 (thirteen years ago) link

episode totally killed it

g.w.f.nagl (cozen), Friday, 30 April 2010 12:47 (thirteen years ago) link

started out thinking it was a little flat but by the end i was loling so hard. also sort of felt like a finale but there are still three episodes left.

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Friday, 30 April 2010 13:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Enjoyed the little moments when Britta and Annie were looking at each other wondering who was what.

Roomful of Moogs (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 30 April 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link

this show is on fire atm

the subject of many paedo's thoughts (history mayne), Sunday, 2 May 2010 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link

SHMITTTAY

kill whiney (cutty), Sunday, 2 May 2010 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link

also sort of felt like a finale but there are still three episodes left.

this show has evolved so much I have a hard time believing it's all been in one season.

da croupier, Sunday, 2 May 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link

O M G THIS IS SO FREAKIN AWESOME

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link

SHIT this is on now!!!!! turning on !

Sherman Helmsley Teabag (Cattle Grind), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Fuck, I want to rewind and watch that again. Maybe I'll do it while The Office is on.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 May 2010 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah goddamn that was next fucking level. kinda glad my wife is out tonight so i can rewatch it w/ her this weekend.

iiiinfinite jjjjest (some dude), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link

O-M-G!!!!! not only did the unmentionable (not gonna spoil for people who DVRed it) happen....Chang's paintbomb, OMFG.....i'm trying not to laugh loud to avoid disturbing my roommate but I couldn't hold it back....

Sherman Helmsley Teabag (Cattle Grind), Friday, 7 May 2010 00:45 (thirteen years ago) link

One of my friends read my Facebook post LOLing at the episode and asked me "What the hell is Community?".

defriended.

Sherman Helmsley Teabag (Cattle Grind), Friday, 7 May 2010 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Good work.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 May 2010 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link

that episode was seriously special. on one hand I'm kinda like "this show is a bit too meta/referential at times" but then they pull something off...when Jeff walked into the room with Troy and Troy's like "Jeff Winger you no good..." or whatever, then changed his tone. So otm.

dan selzer, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:10 (thirteen years ago) link

even just that Chang bit which references Chow Yun Fat and Face Off and Scarface all at once, they then throw in the Predator bit at end.... so much good action movie stuff in this episode

Nhex, Friday, 7 May 2010 03:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Fuckeeng community was off the hooK street style!

CaptainLorax, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:07 (thirteen years ago) link

also add The Warriors to the meta

CaptainLorax, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Terminator too. "Come with me if you don't want to get paint on your clothes."

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 May 2010 04:19 (thirteen years ago) link

that was seriously amazing.

no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Friday, 7 May 2010 04:20 (thirteen years ago) link

I've known Matthew Perpetua for 12 years, but this might finally be the thing that ends a friendship:

@perpetua Wow, it would be great if Community never did another awful, awful, awful, awful episode like that ever again.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 May 2010 05:29 (thirteen years ago) link

tonight's episode was another level of awesome, I was dying when Chang joined the action

musically, Friday, 7 May 2010 05:38 (thirteen years ago) link

xp aw man i'm a fan of his... well, i was

Nhex, Friday, 7 May 2010 05:39 (thirteen years ago) link

http://i44.tinypic.com/1zz6y3d.gif

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 May 2010 05:57 (thirteen years ago) link

sometimes I think people like Perpetua just come up with contrarian opinions so they stand out more...

Sherman Helmsley Teabag (Cattle Grind), Friday, 7 May 2010 06:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, I mean if this isn't the kind of thing you're looking for this show to give you, then what the hell are you even watching it for?

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 May 2010 06:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Another reason to think he is a chucklehead.

ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 7 May 2010 10:52 (thirteen years ago) link

always hated him. so yeah.

cutty, Friday, 7 May 2010 12:05 (thirteen years ago) link

i can see someone liking the first half of the season more and being put-off by some of the broader, more high concept stuff they've been doing in the last few episodes, even if i personally love how ambitious and crazy the show's getting.

iiiinfinite jjjjest (some dude), Friday, 7 May 2010 12:58 (thirteen years ago) link

this was above & beyond the greatest. i <3 this show.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:10 (thirteen years ago) link

i feel like the end of the billiards class episode was really where they threw down the gauntlet and showed how far they were willing to go, and the last 2 episodes are them going full bore in that direction. it's kind of exciting, since most sitcoms end up doing something zany and conceptual eventually, but by the time they do it's like season 5 and it's easy to accuse them of jumping the shark or running out of ideas. for Community to do this stuff this early on i think sets more of an 'anything goes' tone for the future.

iiiinfinite jjjjest (some dude), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:10 (thirteen years ago) link

that all sounds quite correct

Nhex, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:51 (thirteen years ago) link

also shocked that nobody posted this yet
http://nerve.com/features/true-stories/homosexual-schmomosexual

Nhex, Friday, 7 May 2010 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Have to wait till Sunday to watch this week's episode. it's going to be so, so hard.

da croupier, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:00 (thirteen years ago) link

was posted on the mad men thread xpost

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Wonder if that Brie story "inspired" Annie's loss of virginity tale from the episode about the safe sex fair.

Roomful of Moogs (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 7 May 2010 14:10 (thirteen years ago) link

I smile, "I'm going to touch your penis..."

cutty, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link

beginnerpottery.gif

da croupier, Friday, 7 May 2010 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Just saw that the same writer, Emily Cutler, is responsible for both Modern Warfare AND the chicken fingers episodes. Let's get this woman an Emmy at her earliest convenience, thanks.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Bet yall noticed it but funny which member of their group got shot first

CaptainLorax, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Yes, I DID notice. No way that was just random.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link

ha, never thought it through like that!

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, 7 May 2010 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link

of all the references though...the degree by which they nailed the 28 Days Later atmosphere was pretty amazing.

dan selzer, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I think the most amazing thing for me was how casually the paintball contest was mentioned (and disregarded) and then when it became a full blown thing.. from the first Abed appearance to the rendezvous point with Troy. Then I was continually amazed that the action film spiel was continually pulled off flawlessly - things like the scene where they are sitting around the fire in the cafeteria really got to me. I'm gonna stop praising this episode before I curse it :)

CaptainLorax, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link

so is this show always delightful or only when there is cartoon violence?

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 7 May 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, this show is pretty unfuckable with atm

― carne asada, Friday, March 5, 2010 9:52 PM (2 months ago)

Aerosol, Friday, 7 May 2010 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link

^_^

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 7 May 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link

THIS SHOW

sonderangerbot, Friday, 7 May 2010 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link

It's up on Hulu.

no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Friday, 7 May 2010 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link

HE'S A PAWN

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 7 May 2010 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link

so amazing

Genius!! Filled with referencey-goodness. Mr Veg and I were crying laughing the whole way through...and omg I want that paintball machinegun so bad! Senor Chang FTW.

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 7 May 2010 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Can I saw that Britta is one of the most attractive women on television right now?

Sherman Helmsley Teabag (Cattle Grind), Friday, 7 May 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I think Agent Olivia Dunham from 'Fringe' has her beat, but Britta's pretty awesome.

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 7 May 2010 23:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Annie > Britta, sorry dudes.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 May 2010 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link

otm

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Friday, 7 May 2010 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link

yep

amazing ep

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Friday, 7 May 2010 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Annie's right up there too. I could go either way with them on any day of the week, honestly.

Sherman Helmsley Teabag (Cattle Grind), Friday, 7 May 2010 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Perhaps I could have phrased that better.

Sherman Helmsley Teabag (Cattle Grind), Friday, 7 May 2010 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link

The spy-chick on Chuck is up there in the top 3 probably. I like the redhead on The Mentalist also. Olivia otm.

CaptainLorax, Saturday, 8 May 2010 00:05 (thirteen years ago) link

love that this is their second dig at Glee

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Saturday, 8 May 2010 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link

might have to watch this again

I like the redhead on The Mentalist also.

Over Robin Tunney? No way.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 8 May 2010 00:45 (thirteen years ago) link

other ref: battle royale!

Love the John mclane wifebeater

VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 8 May 2010 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link

what was the battle royale ref? i musta missed it. there was a bunch going on there.

s.clover, Saturday, 8 May 2010 05:37 (thirteen years ago) link

The whole thing seemed kinda Battle Royale'ish. Esp the part where they send in the ringer to kill everyone.

Mordy, Saturday, 8 May 2010 06:08 (thirteen years ago) link

if this episode doesn't win some kind of award, there's no point in having awards.

if he wants to cry to the night sky that's what he'll fucking do (reddening), Saturday, 8 May 2010 09:04 (thirteen years ago) link

that episode must have been so fun to make

max, Saturday, 8 May 2010 12:30 (thirteen years ago) link

I can imagine it'd be stressful too, because they had to get the shots just right for the satire to work. And it's out of their element a little.

One thing I know is that it was sure as hell fun to watch.

Sherman Helmsley Teabag (Cattle Grind), Saturday, 8 May 2010 13:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Justin Lin directed it. Makes sense.

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link

troy's "jeff winger... you son of of a bitch"

soooooo hilarious

cutty, Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link

the last few episodes have been amazing.

congratulations (n/a), Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link

troy's "jeff winger... you son of of a bitch"

soooooo hilarious

― cutty, Saturday, May 8, 2010 10:25 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah troy was a standout this whole episode, too bad he had to die first but the meta-joke was basically worth it

max, Saturday, 8 May 2010 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link

I think I missed the meta-joke?

Mordy, Saturday, 8 May 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link

black guy dies first cliche is all it is afaik

some dude, Saturday, 8 May 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link

which one?

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 8 May 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link

its a black guy dies first thing, but its funny b/c it happens when troy is talking about how hes NOT just a black guy and obviously it sounds pretty dumb when i write it out like that

max, Saturday, 8 May 2010 15:26 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm not an ambassador... i'm a gladiator

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Saturday, 8 May 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link

God, this one was so great. Was reading thru the comments on the AV Club and agreed with the sentiment that while the show uses a lot of pop-culture refs, it uses them to both augment and illustrate the character interactions.

Also, fat blubbery victim was great

WTF cat with unfitting music (kingfish), Saturday, 8 May 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link

it's totally found its metier with this and the goodfellas ep. completely inspired.

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Saturday, 8 May 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link

or, rather, streets ahead

Greatest contributor: (history mayne), Saturday, 8 May 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link

As I probably mentioned at some point too, this show is like the only instance where I find the blonde more attractive than the brunette

WTF cat with unfitting music (kingfish), Saturday, 8 May 2010 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link

i think it varies from episode to episode, yet another testament to the greatness of this show

sonderangerbot, Saturday, 8 May 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, fat blubbery victim was great

yes!! his fat blubbery pauses

cutty, Saturday, 8 May 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link

That was the guy the John Oliver character called out for looking like Mark David Chapman in the episode about the psychology experiment.

ô_o (Nicole), Saturday, 8 May 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link

AND I DON'T HAVE AN EGO MY FACEBOOK PICTURE IS A LANDSCAPE

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 8 May 2010 16:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Can we make this quick, I need to give a banana to Annie's boobs.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 8 May 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Been enjoying this show all season, but the last few episodes make me think it might steal the Best Comedy Emmy from 30 Rock this year.

Michael F Gill, Saturday, 8 May 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link

give it to glover, get best of both worlds?

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 8 May 2010 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Donald Glover really is one of my favorite people in the world right now.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 8 May 2010 18:24 (thirteen years ago) link

real talk

speaking of John Oliver what exactly happened to his character?

Sherman Helmsley Teabag (Cattle Grind), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link

He was only attached to the pilot.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link

I think he showed up in one other cameo, though.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link

he was in that one episode where he was doing an experiment and Annie was the facilitator....

Sherman Helmsley Teabag (Cattle Grind), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 02:47 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah there was that episode where at the end Britta was forced to see him for "counseling" every week, but then he never showed up again

Nhex, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 03:20 (thirteen years ago) link

i read an interview that said they wanted him more, but his daily show schedule didn't permit it. he's going to be in the finale tho, along with the "seize the day" professor.

if he wants to cry to the night sky that's what he'll fucking do (reddening), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 03:52 (thirteen years ago) link

I loved him on the show and thought his and Jeff's banter was great. Wish he was on more often.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 03:52 (thirteen years ago) link

him=Oliver, though Higgins is always fun.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 03:54 (thirteen years ago) link

I've missed the last four or five eps, and you all have me convinced I need to catch up immediately.

Cunga, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 04:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh hell yes, the last several episodes (actually, everything going back to the xmas episode) are E-FUCKING-SSENTIAL.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 04:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Especially especially the last one.

Mordy, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 04:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Cool. I miss enjoying the post-episode aftermath with you guys as well.

Cunga, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 05:22 (thirteen years ago) link

from the Bill Bryson thread:

It's maybe not a fair comparison, but Paul Theroux is streets ahead.

― Tag, Tuesday, October 22, 2002 7:48 AM (7 years ago) Bookmark

Sherman Helmsley Teabag (Cattle Grind), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:51 (thirteen years ago) link

love good will hunting mockery

symsymsym, Friday, 14 May 2010 03:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Senor Chang not being Senor Chang anymore makes me sad. Not even a keytar heals my broken heart. ;_;

Johnny Fever, Friday, 14 May 2010 03:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Bit of a letdown after last week's episode, but pretty much anything would have been. Annie's Disney-face bit was great though.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 14 May 2010 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link

This episode was mega boring.

no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Friday, 14 May 2010 04:59 (thirteen years ago) link

RONG

Jordan York (some dude), Friday, 14 May 2010 05:47 (thirteen years ago) link

it's funny to think that i was ever initially disappointed about John Oliver not being a full on cast member, would be fine with more appearances but the ensemble, even Senor Chang and the dean, feels so complete without him. really i'm more hoping for more Eric Christian Olsen guest spots.

Jordan York (some dude), Friday, 14 May 2010 05:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Not quite to the heights of last week, but what could have been? I still enjoyed them moving the mechanics of the collected-group schooling along, giving Senor Chang a reason to stick around, and setting up for the next season. And they gave Star-burns a good joke. Disappointed they didn't do more with Jerry Minor, who I just found out is from my hometown.

Also, I enjoyed the stinger.

WTF cat with unfitting music (kingfish), Friday, 14 May 2010 07:12 (thirteen years ago) link

YOU CAN BE A JANITOR

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, 14 May 2010 07:29 (thirteen years ago) link

has anyone seen this? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1237838/

just sayin, Friday, 14 May 2010 11:03 (thirteen years ago) link

to buy a flying car??????

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Friday, 14 May 2010 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link

That t-shirt is awesome.

ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 14 May 2010 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link

At one point I was teaching you KLINGON!

loved the quote that was something like "I want to make you a boy so that I can punch you"
actually a lot of great lines on that episode and I did love the Janitor meta

CaptainLorax, Saturday, 15 May 2010 04:28 (thirteen years ago) link

So apparently CBS is moving Big Bang Theory to compete with Community Thursday nights. It won't be a question for me (I never watch BBT and love Community to pieces) but apparently BBT is the highest rated sitcom for adults 18-49 so -- uh -- next season might be Community's last.

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/19/community-creator-fires-back-at-big-bang-theory-move/

Mordy, Friday, 21 May 2010 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link

I've seen Big Bang Theory. I can't imagine it has fans that would follow it to another night, considering how banal it is. It only gets those eyeballs now because it has ZERO competition on Monday nights (Chuck, really? And I don't even know what comes on ABC on Monday nights.)

(House doesn't count, because House is House.)

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 May 2010 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I missed the last five minutes of Community tonight, btw. The last thing I saw was Jeff talking to Annie outside after she bailed on the trip, then the cable went out.

Then it came on again just in time for P&R. Then it went out AGAIN with five minutes of P&R left, so I don't know what happened at the end of that either.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 May 2010 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link

people LOVE Big Bang Theory, it's pretty much the heir to the 'really unhip show that's the highest rated sitcom on TV' throne currently occuped by 2 And A Half Men (which people don't LOVE like they love BBT in my experience).

some dude, Friday, 21 May 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Here's hoping Community wins an Emmy or two, just so NBC will think twice about killing it.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 May 2010 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link

But seriously, fuck CBS.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 May 2010 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link

The finale was fantastic, I hope Jim Parsons gets kidnapped by Somali pirates so Big Bang Theory won't compete against it.

ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 21 May 2010 02:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Tell me what happened that I didn't see! I don't want to wait until tomorrow to see it on Hulu.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 May 2010 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Jeff and Annie ended up kissing.

ô_o (Nicole), Friday, 21 May 2010 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link

WAHT!?1 Oh boy.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 May 2010 02:37 (thirteen years ago) link

also nice 'Abed's video yearbook' ending gag

some dude, Friday, 21 May 2010 02:39 (thirteen years ago) link

i seriously keep wanting to start a Big Bang Theory thread so people can stop talking about it in comedy show threads but that's just too spiteful as i despise the show. but ironically nobody likes it enough to start one

yeah johnny, you missed out

Nhex, Friday, 21 May 2010 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link

I think scott is really into BBT.

Mordy, Friday, 21 May 2010 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link

i get so happy when john oliver appears!

EGOT Schiele (get bent), Friday, 21 May 2010 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link

scott started a thread for BBT

mizzell, Friday, 21 May 2010 03:08 (thirteen years ago) link

this will finally stop me from blabbing about this show on the how i met your mother thread.

― scott seward, Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:43 PM (7 months ago)

haha, my bad!

back to community: yeah nice that they did all those callbacks like john oliver's mandated therapy appointments for britta, john michael higgins, even britta/annie's hippie boyfriend

Nhex, Friday, 21 May 2010 03:37 (thirteen years ago) link

This finale was amazing. I love how so much of the show's parody is left totally unstated (like the shot where Annie is saying goodbye to each of them and that black wall with lights was lit, or where Troy is at the party and there's just a group of black guys dancing in the middle of the party that he momentarily joins), like with a show that had built less good will with me I'd be annoyed about, but because this show has such a ridiculous distance from itself, I just read as more mockery.

Mordy, Friday, 21 May 2010 06:08 (thirteen years ago) link

wow I just found out that this week is the finale for Community and Modern Family, this is a totally awesome surprise since I thought last week was the finale week. I was wondering what the hell you were all talking about today...

musically, Friday, 21 May 2010 06:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Why does Hulu have to wait until morning to post episodes? I mean, I'm sure there's some procedural mumbo jumbo rationale, but what about those of us who away from home and at the mercy of shitty cable and can't just call it up on the dvr?

I'm sure it will still be just as awesome tomorrow morning, but I WANT IT NOW.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 May 2010 06:33 (thirteen years ago) link

if you can download, they are usually on torrents/rapidshare within an hour of airing on the east coast

musically, Friday, 21 May 2010 06:43 (thirteen years ago) link

This computer is about a billion years old and not even mine. Don't want to install any torrent applications. I'll just have to wait it out.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 May 2010 06:50 (thirteen years ago) link

m3gar3l3as3.n3t

musically, Friday, 21 May 2010 07:34 (thirteen years ago) link

decent, not amazing, finale. The season really had nowhere to go but "solid" after the paintball spectacular.

Simon H., Friday, 21 May 2010 07:39 (thirteen years ago) link

wow I just found out that this week is the finale for Community and Modern Family, this is a totally awesome surprise since I thought last week was the finale week

haha me too except i thought that the finale of community was two weeks ago

Lamp, Friday, 21 May 2010 07:51 (thirteen years ago) link

http://i45.tinypic.com/es3ujm.gif

leck mich im arshavin (cozen), Friday, 21 May 2010 08:01 (thirteen years ago) link

lol nice to see badger in this

has he been in it before?

leck mich im arshavin (cozen), Friday, 21 May 2010 08:10 (thirteen years ago) link

also iunno but jeff and britta, jeff and slater, and especially jeff and annie all seem p.lame outcomes

leck mich im arshavin (cozen), Friday, 21 May 2010 08:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Slater was never gonna happen anyway, and I guess I am still a little weirded out by the age difference between Jeff and Annie, which was even pointed out several times during the show. (Yeah, I know she's actually much older in real life, so that softens it, but they defined her as the "young one" constantly.) But I guess out of those three pairings McHale and Brie clearly had the most natural chemistry, especially in that debate episode, so I guess they had to go with it.

Nhex, Friday, 21 May 2010 09:15 (thirteen years ago) link

So I gave up on the show around episode 8 or so and after reading some of the comments here got back on board with the "Modern Warfare" episode.

When in HELL did the show go STARK RAVING BUGFUCK INSANE?! That episode was a million different kinds of awesome.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 21 May 2010 10:12 (thirteen years ago) link

"what's this?" "a roll of quarters..."

Gee, Officer (Gukbe), Friday, 21 May 2010 11:14 (thirteen years ago) link

TRANNY QUEEN

CON-TRANS-ULATIONS

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 21 May 2010 12:08 (thirteen years ago) link

"I'm going to find a loophole"

leck mich im arshavin (cozen), Friday, 21 May 2010 12:24 (thirteen years ago) link

^^^ so good

cutty, Friday, 21 May 2010 12:30 (thirteen years ago) link

wait coz do u even watch lost?

cutty, Friday, 21 May 2010 12:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Just the image of Troy walking around eating that gigantic cookie all episode was great. Then getting sick. Then taking another bite.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 May 2010 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link

bahaha this link to the nyt article on dan harmon being pissed

I applaud Big Bang's move to Thursday at 8 p.m. This clever and witty series should be available to a younger audience instead of the same crude and tired plot lines that pervade most sitcoms ie. Two and a Half Men, How I Met Your Mother, etc, Also, Thursday night is a TV wasteland on the major networks.Thank you CBS.

cbs: too racy for this gal

mayor jingleberries, Friday, 21 May 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link

not crazy about britta declaring her love for jeff &c, and it's true that the season shd have stopped two weeks ago coz basically nothing could ever top the paintball ep

but this was still 'full of lols'

'there was an episode of happy days where fonzie *literally* jumped over a shark. and it was the *best* episode.'

long time listener, first time balla (history mayne), Saturday, 22 May 2010 09:13 (thirteen years ago) link

^^^yes

leck mich im arshavin (cozen), Saturday, 22 May 2010 10:13 (thirteen years ago) link

harmon is totally right to be afraid - BBT's audience is over double that of Community's, actually increasing every season. it's a legitimate hit compared to the entire NBC thursday night line-up

we should all be crossing fingers that devil Chuck Lorre hasn't killed the show by this time next year

Nhex, Saturday, 22 May 2010 10:29 (thirteen years ago) link

arrested development was instantly stunning, but I have a hard time thinking of a comedy that revved up so intensely over its first season (30 rock, maybe? i didn't get on the train til later). Simpsons were in their second before things got "holy shit."

da croupier, Saturday, 22 May 2010 12:34 (thirteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Watched "Mystery Team." It's pretty amusing, but Glover is obviously the star of his comedy team; other two dudes are pretty much dead weight. I think they must have realized this because he has the biggest part. Aubrey Plaza and Bobby Moynihan are in it too, plus cameos from Matt Walsh, Dot Com, Lutz, Erin from The Office.

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 13:52 (thirteen years ago) link

the kinda tallish dead-weight dude from the team's viral karate sketch has been getting bit parts in lots of NBC comedies lately. don't count derrick comedy viral karate dude out yet!

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah that guy is easily the worst of the three. the other dude seems ok maybe but was basically doing a Napolean Dynamite impression through the whole movie

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link

you don't like viral karate dude? he's like the kevin mcdonald to glover's bruce mcculloch.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 8 June 2010 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link

I have not seen viral karate. If we're talking about the same dude, he is very very bland in Mystery Team.

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 8 June 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFEcNy3u61Y

Johnny Fever, Friday, 11 June 2010 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm mystified by the fact that so many people hear loved the paintball episode, which was the weakest one yet imo

while watching it, i thought 'oh heck, i guess at some imminent point jeff will wake up and there will be a funny dream-related plot twist, like maybe he passed out drunk at abed's place again', but no...it turned out to be just lame pop cultural reference trope. didn't simpsons, et al, run that kind of thing into the effin ground?

i only complain so vehemently b/c community was so funny w/o that kind of thing. to my mind it became less funny with that crap. i wish the people writing the show would have confidence that the characters and their relationships are plenty sufficient to bring the lol's. now the show risks becoming trainspotting territory to an audience of stand-ins for the abed character

dell (del), Friday, 11 June 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link

i definitely think the paintball episode shows how the show could eventually turn into some kind of family guy culture ref repository, but I think it did a witty job of it (I quite like a lot of those old simpsons homages!) and still utilized the character's personalities within the context. I love that it actually advanced relationships - that it wasn't just the usual "finch dreams everyone on just shoot me are characters in the wizard of oz" sitcom thing. i'd be bummed if the show stopped doing small scale stuff and every episode became a movie tribute, but I'm not going to slam a great movie tribute on principle.

da croupier, Friday, 11 June 2010 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link

It would totally suck if they started doing that kind of episode every week, yeah, it would get totally boring. But the fact that this was a one-off, guns blazin' episode totally worked for me. Plus, I think almost any other attempt at resolving the Jeff/Britta sexual tension would have been awkward and hamfisted. This way they could set their inevitable hook-up in a crazy setting where it wouldn't have been the episode's sole focus.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 11 June 2010 22:54 (thirteen years ago) link

fair enough. it just prompted far fewer laughs in me than previous episodes did, hence my harshing on it. it occasioned my first disappointment in a show that was surprisingly funny right out of the starting gate. you're very right in that it wasn't purely lazy, as many other shows might have been when ambling into similar territory

dell (del), Friday, 11 June 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link

I love that it actually advanced relationships - that it wasn't just the usual "finch dreams everyone on just shoot me are characters in the wizard of oz" sitcom thing.

yeah this is otm

some dude, Friday, 11 June 2010 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link

it might have bothered me had the execution not been so perfect.

Simon H., Saturday, 12 June 2010 00:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I would hope they'd limit their over-the-top/incongruous episodes to one per season, kind of like how CSI only bases one ep per season on the lab techs or some completely ridiculous case. It's a nice opportunity to see characters you love because they act one way to act that way (or differently) in completely different circumstances.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 12 June 2010 01:09 (thirteen years ago) link

They just went farther with that episode than others, but the Color of Money and Goodfellas ones were also great. Guys, it's okay to like parodies!

Nhex, Saturday, 12 June 2010 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link

re: paintball episode

I agree it worked partially because it was sort of a one time thing.

What had me going was the experience. They start the episode with them talking about some random stuff I can't remember in their study room. The PA system announces some paintball competition and that announcement came off as background noise. The characters kept on talking and pretty much disregarded the PA announcement if I remember correctly. I knew the episode would have paintball in it (from the previous week's previews) but like the characters, I basically blew off the announcement (for the time being) as well.

But then it was like a sudden onslaught of visceral paintball Armageddon with a wide pan shot of Jeff waking up in his car. The episode became mesmeric because of the sudden immersion and randomness of it all.

Then what kept me on the edge of my seat wondering what was going to happen next was all the great qualities you would find in an action movie. The tension. The drama. The survival aspect. The sex. The twist (Chang enrolling/no prize). The coolness of it all - Abed coming in jumping off the wall playing the part of the all-American hero, Troy with the great "you son of a bitch" line, the girls coming out of the bathroom stalls, the dark cafeteria with roller-skate dudes attacking, Chang with the paintball machine gun...

The cinematography/sets really pulled it all together. The action moments/tense moments were filmed really well and it was crazy to see a whole school messed up badly - something I dreamed of as a kid. "This would never happen" crossed my mind a few times but I that didn't distract me from letting the show unfold because it was all weirdly enjoyable

There was definitely less funny quotes than normal but a there was a lot of silly situational stuff instead

I watched the paintball episode late at night in my basement on a huge HG TV. Plus the episode worked better in that I wasn't expecting so much. I think my experience was also benefited from feeling some of the tension - the kind of tension that people are supposed to feel when watching action movies. Understandably, some people may have not had the same kind of reaction as me - they may have been less susceptible to the tense parts (maybe they were wanting more comedy in a comedy series). People could have easily been in the 'wrong state of mind' for this episode. Different states of mind (e.g. different kinds of logical, emotional, open, closed, sleepy...) is rationale for people's largely varied opinions on any given episode of Lost last season (as I gathered from the Lost thread)

CaptainLorax, Saturday, 12 June 2010 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link

loving this series. the paintball episode was absolute, unalloyed and audacious genius. and i loved the 'shmitty' kids too. shows like this and modern family are STREETS AHEAD of Big Bang Theory and How I Met Your Mother, both of which I think are truly charmless and terrible.

Worth waiting for the fannypunch at 4.02 (stevie), Sunday, 20 June 2010 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Watching the paintball episode now, and it's just as good as everybody said (possibly even better)

Cunga, Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:16 (thirteen years ago) link

the 'shmitty' kids

XD

cutty, Sunday, 20 June 2010 23:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Am I the only one who enjoys both Community and Big Bang Theory? I'm only into season 2 of BBT but I don't see a major difference in quality between the shows. (One makes pop culture references. The other makes science references.) If I had to pick one, I may go with Community and I hope the shows don't enter into competition but I do think both are good.

Sundar, Monday, 21 June 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link

I enjoy them both, community has a slight edge but I like BBT especially as my partner is an academic and I think most academics have a little bit of Sheldon inside them.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 21 June 2010 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link

xp they're going to be in the same time slot next season, where BBT will undoubtedly thrash Community in viewership and drive it towards extinction, hence the anticipatory hate

Nhex, Monday, 21 June 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

I hate pretty much any sitcom with a studio audience. Just don't like the format.

no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Monday, 21 June 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh, they're definitely going to be in the same slot? Bastards.

Sundar, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 00:01 (thirteen years ago) link

"BBT will undoubtedly thrash Community in viewership"

Is there a demographic breakdown of who watches BBT and who watches Community?

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link

I hate pretty much any sitcom with a studio audience. Just don't like the format.

― no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Monday, June 21, 2010 5:45 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

if you mean of current shows I might be like OK that's defensible but if you mean of all sitcoms ever then you're just nuts.

neal page (some dude), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Whats that weird new show that comes on Thursday in the time slot that Parks and Recreation used to have that is shot in a Community format but has canned laughter anyway? That combination creeps me out really bad. The show is a terrible second attempt at "Friends" by the way.

Evan, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link

100 Questions or something like that. Historically awful.

Mordy, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link

is shot in a Community format but has canned laughter anyway? That combination creeps me out really bad.

That does sound comically creepy and depressing.

Cunga, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link

we have a thread about it, it's amazingly bad: Is "100 Questions" the worst show in recent history?

neal page (some dude), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Is there a demographic breakdown of who watches BBT and who watches Community?
Not a complete picture, but

7 BIG BANG THEORY, THE CBS Mon VAR 23 5.3 14,143
70 COMMUNITY NBC Thu VAR 24 2.1 4,990

From the 2009-10 primetime season rankings. Last two numbers are 18-49 rating and total viewers in millions. BBT is #7 OVERALL - the #1 scripted show, which is kinda nuts already, going up against Community which is #70. (BTW, Community ranks even worse when you compare it by overall viewers, instead of just the 18-49 demo, unsurprisingly - less old folks watching).

Nhex, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 01:40 (thirteen years ago) link

whaaaaa?! this data has to be wrong! there's got to be some diebold shenanigans.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link

The only reason BBT is such a runaway success is because half the cast of Roseanne are in and out of there on such a regular basis that people are confused and think they're watching something that's good.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, it's funny.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I'll concede there are many less funny shows currently on television than BBT. Anything with Tyler Perry's name on it for starters. Oh, and The Office.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Whatever you think of these shows, they all lost to UNDERCOVER BOSS. WHA?!

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link

BBT is weird because it contains a lot of smart and seemingly well researched references, but the plots themselves are lowest-common-denominator sitcom schlock. Raj gets drunk and sleeps with a fat lady! Penny's friends don't like Leonard because he doesn't understand football! Howard and his mom yell at each other a lot!

I still watch it and enjoy it, but Community is the better show and it pisses me off that they're going head to head.

it sucks and you all love something that sucks (reddening), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link

really, what else can you expect from the genius creator of Dharma & Greg and Two and a Half Men?

GET READY AMERICA

Police officer Mike Biggs knows his way around the streets. As a cop, Mike’s not scared of anything—except dating, so he’s joined Overeaters Anonymous® to lose those extra pounds and gain some much-needed confidence. When he meets Molly at a meeting, the attraction is immediate, and suddenly Mike is excited about the prospect of a new life. But now he must find the willpower to give up his beloved junk food for the apple of his eye.

Nhex, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link

LOL, it's funny becuz he's fat.

ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link

The show is a terrible second attempt at "Friends" by the way.

a worse and more brazen attempt at being Friends than HIMYM?? the mind boggles, and then shudders...

Worth waiting for the fannypunch at 4.02 (stevie), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 07:38 (thirteen years ago) link

It actually reminds me a lot of Couplings.

Mordy, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 15:02 (thirteen years ago) link

shows like this and modern family are STREETS AHEAD of Big Bang Theory and How I Met Your Mother, both of which I think are truly charmless and terrible.

― Worth waiting for the fannypunch at 4.02 (stevie), Sunday, June 20, 2010 11:32 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

modern fam is blah, HIMYM is aces

ultra nate dogg (history mayne), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 15:03 (thirteen years ago) link

u rong, dog

HOME OF CHALLENGE PISSING (stevie), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 15:05 (thirteen years ago) link

allyson hannigan = charisma vaccuum

HOME OF CHALLENGE PISSING (stevie), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link

i think she's the weakest of the five principals and that's still wrong

ultra nate dogg (history mayne), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 15:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Allyson Hannigan being the ultimate nerdfox makes up for a lot, but I still am not into HIMYM

HI DERE, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 15:09 (thirteen years ago) link

At its best, HIMYM is a contender to Arrested Development for best developed sitcom universe, with a million callbacks, well-planned arcs and charming actors (who doesn't like Jason Segel, Allyson Hannigan or Neil Patrick Harris off the bat?). At its worst, it's just another Friends clone with one of the most unlikeable main characters I've ever seen in a sitcom.

Nhex, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 15:14 (thirteen years ago) link

NPH is almost never funny on that show. Most of the humor comes from the women and Jason Siegel.

HI DERE, Tuesday, 22 June 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link

The only reason BBT is such a runaway success is because half the cast of Roseanne are in and out of there on such a regular basis that people are confused and think they're watching something that's good.

― Johnny Fever, Monday, June 21, 2010 9:48 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ah yes, the famous 'Roseanne effect' that made shows like Twins and Charlie Lawrence into long-running ratings juggernauts.

neal page (some dude), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, it's funny.

― HI DERE, Monday, June 21, 2010 8:57 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

epic rongness

flapjackin (gbx), Tuesday, 22 June 2010 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Dan Harmon spent the entire day playing with his new iphone and posting the results:

http://yfrog.com/emschz

an example

Don Homer (kingfish), Thursday, 24 June 2010 06:08 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't know why that's funny, but it is.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 June 2010 06:14 (thirteen years ago) link

can you get that at best buy?

ultra nate dogg (history mayne), Friday, 25 June 2010 08:36 (thirteen years ago) link

ask jason

flapjackin (gbx), Friday, 25 June 2010 13:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Just noticed that one of the tranny queen nominations is one ms. danielle harmon. injoke lol.

samuel :D (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 26 June 2010 06:41 (thirteen years ago) link

I am going to guess the ratings thing has a lot to do with cbs generally getting higher ratings, ppl putting it on the channel for the night, etc., and that I think a lot of community's views are web or dvr rather than primetime on the air and ratings don't usually account for that. Like, I watched all of this season on hulu and saw maybe one episode live on air, while I've never seen an ep of BBT opr HIMYM.

tehresa, Saturday, 26 June 2010 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link

well, Big Bang Theory definitely had a leg up in that it was put in an already successful comedy block alongside the highest rated sitcom on TV, but it's an actual popular show in its own right that people actually like. don't know why that's so hard to understand or why people on any thread about a show on NBC or cable have to be totally condescending toward less hip types of shows, frankly.

i don't think online viewing factors into ratings but now that networks have figured how to monetize that stuff i think shows that do get lots of views on hulu or whatever are probably helped by that in terms of not getting cancelled, etc.

~athdouspart (some dude), Saturday, 26 June 2010 18:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Wasn't trying to be condescending, just contributing, dude.

tehresa, Saturday, 26 June 2010 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link

i guess, it just seemed to hand in hand with JF's "people don't actually think that show is funny, they're just confused, bless their hearts!" comment upthread.

~athdouspart (some dude), Saturday, 26 June 2010 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link

tbf, I'd much rather watch BBT than about 100 other sitcoms that have come and gone on the networks over the last several years. So, I don't hate it by any means.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 26 June 2010 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link

I think it's legit to be upset that a show you like isn't as popular as another show, especially if you feel like what's rewarding about a show is that it takes a little attentiveness (at least as far as television goes) to enjoy, while other really popular shows seem to be spoon-feeding really well-tred sitcom ground. Which isn't to say there's anything wrong about just wanting to see something familiar (arguably that's what the mimetic impulse is anyway), but that I definitely get frustrated when shows like Party Down, Community, 30 Rock, It's Always Sunny or whatever are way less popular than Two and a Half Men and Big Bang Theory. Chuck Lorre is really good at making shows that people find instantly accessible and enjoy easily, but sometimes I don't want to just watch something instantly accessible. (Obviously this is very YMMV, as even the shows I mentioned aren't particular dense, none of this is like cracking your teeth on Pynchon or whatever.)

Mordy, Saturday, 26 June 2010 18:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Right. I love king of queens, but it's something I'd rather watch as syndicated reruns than in primetime.

tehresa, Saturday, 26 June 2010 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, King of Queens works when you can watch two episodes back to back when nothing else is on. It's utilitarian in its funniness. I couldn't imagine scheduling time to watch a new one each week, though (but millions of people did, so what do I know!).

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 26 June 2010 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link

don't know why that's so hard to understand or why people on any thread about a show on NBC or cable have to be totally condescending toward less hip types of shows, frankly.

not being condescending, just think HIMYM is execrable

Ghia (stevie), Sunday, 27 June 2010 13:37 (thirteen years ago) link

TBH, both Community and Big Bang Theory strike me as relatively straightforward sitcoms with a twist, especially compared to something like It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia (or HIMYM on the other end of the spectrum). A sitcom about physics professors actually seems like a pretty bold concept to me. An episode like the one where Sheldon devises an algorithm to understand friendship seems as clever to me as some of the things that Community does. (I can totally believe that the later seasons of BBT may have gotten worse though.)

Sundar, Monday, 28 June 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link

just think HIMYM is execrable

― Ghia (stevie), Sunday, June 27, 2010 2:37 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

rolling my damn eyes and shaking my damn head

my weekly race thread (history mayne), Monday, 28 June 2010 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link

its the Happy Shopper brand Friends, dude.

Ghia (stevie), Monday, 28 June 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link

gonna have to severely disagree with you there, but can we keep this thread on topic? BBT is only relevant because it's competing directly next year

Nhex, Monday, 28 June 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Sure, sorry.

Sundar, Monday, 28 June 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link

apols for negativity, will KIP from hereon in

Ghia (stevie), Monday, 28 June 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Neither HIMYM nor BBT theory have Troy and Abed, and are therefore lesser.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 28 June 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link

theory

Johnny Fever, Monday, 28 June 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Wait people with taste actually watch King of Queens?

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 28 June 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link

Just noticed that the masterbating bum in Its Always Sunny is the old guy in Community :DDD

samuel :D (a hoy hoy), Monday, 28 June 2010 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link

i saw childish gambino's first live show last night... LOL

cutty, Thursday, 1 July 2010 11:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Apparently there's gonna be a 6-hour hosted marathon of this Thursday -- maybe NBC is making a big push for it before the next season starts? i can only hope they plan to stand behind the show.

Mordy, Tuesday, 6 July 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link

actually it's a 3-hour (6-episode) marathon but yes! tonight! bump!

does a ˁ˚ᴥ˚ˀ sh!t in the woods? (some dude), Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link

They got screwed by the Emmys.

Roomful of Moogs (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I've not really followed the Emmys before but they seem to be a bit of a joke - no Justified or Sons of Anarchy or Community nods, at all, but loads for Glee? Lame.

Simon H., Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:42 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm gonna watch the hell out of the Community marathon tonight!

quincie, Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link

The Emmys are always lame, is anyone really surprised?

ô_o (Nicole), Thursday, 8 July 2010 14:48 (thirteen years ago) link

OK, after watching some more BBT, I'll concede that it is less innovative than Community. I think I was just really charmed by the math and science references.

Sundar, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link

saw the cast in the toronto airport a while ago

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.avclub.com/articles/community-the-latest-show-to-deny-betty-white-her,43124/

Newswire Community the latest show to deny Betty White her well-deserved rest
by Sean O'Neal July 14, 2010

NBC’s Community is the latest show to hitch its wagon to overworked draft horse Betty White, hiring her to guest star in its second season première as “Professor June Bauer, an anthropology professor who’s described as “esteemed, albeit slightly unhinged,” according to The Hollywood Reporter. Have we used the word “meta” today? We bet it’ll be very meta.

Don Homer (kingfish), Wednesday, 14 July 2010 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link

This clip from Comic Con's Community Panel features Donald doing one of his on-set characters that will likely never make it to broadcast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QIQWoIHSAk

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 25 July 2010 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh nice, the whole video is up now: http://www.nbc.com/Comic-Con/video/community-panel-comic-con-2010/1240488/

Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 July 2010 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link

A little off topic, but here is what it looked like when Joel McHale was the lead in the US version of The IT Crowd:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7XN6Q_qyLo

no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Monday, 2 August 2010 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link

O_o

It is so so wrong. And I say that as a fan of both Joel and the IT Crowd.

ô_o (Nicole), Monday, 2 August 2010 17:17 (thirteen years ago) link

It is exactly the same script and seemingly a very similar set and yet it doesn't work at all.

no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Monday, 2 August 2010 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link

so weird

cozen, Monday, 2 August 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link

ugh so wrong. joel is not right as roy and the woman playing jen seems terrible. and why is moss still moss? weird. IT Crowd wouldn't work in the U.S. without script changes anyways, it's too goofy and not edgy enough, it would get canceled after like three episodes.

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 2 August 2010 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link

It got canceled after one episode as far as I can tell.

no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Monday, 2 August 2010 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't think they showed it at all, did they

A B C, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 01:02 (thirteen years ago) link

also basically the whole reason i read cookdandbombd is to see what uk comedians they hate beyond reason and richard ayoade is the most mystifying member of their legion of doom. his voice is funny and he's cuet, i can't imagine where his WHAT A CUNT status comes from and i almost like it better leaving the mystery

A B C, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link

not even that noel fielding kind of "cute" where finding him attractive is carried on the same gene that leads people to seek out libertines fan fiction, dude is non-threateningly dreamy

A B C, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Actually, I find him kind of annoying, too. It’s the whole Julie Walters “every character must have a funny voice” style of comic acting.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 3 August 2010 10:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Actually, I find him kind of annoying, too

I only know him from Boosh and odds snippets of IT crowd, and yeah it's absolutely the 'voice' that annoys for each character.

"It's far from 'lol' you were reared, boy" (darraghmac), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 10:36 (thirteen years ago) link

i can't imagine where his WHAT A CUNT status comes from

he is successful, cookdandbombd populated by losers

are you some kinda rap version of marc loi (stevie), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link

that's true. but he is a rubbish, one-note performer.

unchill english bro (history mayne), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 17:20 (thirteen years ago) link

I think he is a funny one-note performer.

no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link

kind of lol'd at concept of a show that 'isn't edgy enough' for american tv, but i guess it's actually true of 'the it crowd'.

unchill english bro (history mayne), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I dunno, I think IT Crowd and Big Bang Theory are similar in terms of edginess.

no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Pretty much.

ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link

I didn't mean "edgy" like "innovative." By "not edgy enough," I mean that so much of the humor in U.S. sitcoms is based on sarcasm and verbal irony with undertones of nastiness (basically everyone is dicks to everyone because it's hilarious!) and, with the exception of some of roy's lines, that isn't really evident in the IT Crowd, where most of the characters are basically guileless. This ties in to my old thread about the death of the sight gag - U.S. sitcoms are almost entirely based on verbal humor, you could just listen to the audio and get 95% of the jokes, but IT Crowd actually has a lot of visual humor.

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 17:49 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Fortunately, my career didn't jump the shark after "jump the shark." When "Happy Days" ended, I went directly to the ABC Paramount hit show "Webster" and, after that, wrote and produced, among others, "It's Your Move," "He's the Mayor, "The New Leave It to Beaver" and "Family Matters." In 1987, Brian Levant and I created the action comedy "My Secret Identity," which won an International Emmy.

um...

Chaki doesn't have beef with unicorn (stevie), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 11:21 (thirteen years ago) link

MONEY TALKS, MEMES WALK

da croupier, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 12:16 (thirteen years ago) link

In 1987, Jon Hein and his roommates at the University of Michigan

Y'know what? I think I actually met this guy. He was a much earlier alum of the same campus sketch/improv troupe that I tried for write for and eventually took over as producer. I met him at a group reunion something like 10+ years ago.

Jaw dropping, thong dropping monster (kingfish), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link

I remember It's Your Move being pretty awesome!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link

As far as Jason Bateman sitcoms go, it is a very close second to Arrested Development. Or at least that was my memory of it -- I don't think it has ever even been released on dvd.

(¬_¬) (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 September 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link

you can torrent it.

j., Wednesday, 8 September 2010 04:17 (thirteen years ago) link

I want to be friends with everyone involved with this show.

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 20 September 2010 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd settle for Alison Brie & Joel McHale.

a cross between lily allen and fetal alcohol syndrome (milo z), Monday, 20 September 2010 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link

I'll settle for Gillian Jacobs

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 20 September 2010 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link

So the Season 1 DVD set is out today, and they've released a soundtrack for the show (!!) on iTunes. Attempting to take on Glee in their stronghold is pretty bold.

it sucks and you all love something that sucks (reddening), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 08:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Also <3 Donald Glover like everyone else (his physical comedy is kind of brute force/not very finessed, which I dig, cf. the jump onto the lab table in the mouse episode), though some of his tics are clearly cut from the Tracy Morgan mold.

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 21 September 2010 14:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Back tonight !

Aerosol, Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link

he said, fully erect.

Sterling, Cooper, Nash & Young (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link

I really hope Big Bang Theory doesn't kill this show.

svend, Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Harmon on multi-camera v. single-camera stuff in that AV club interview is really insightful and cool

Mordy, Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link

this one: http://www.avclub.com/articles/community-creator-dan-harmon,45508/

Mordy, Thursday, 23 September 2010 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link

this "twittersode" thing appears to be happening

http://twitter.com/nbccommunity/characters

Clay, Thursday, 23 September 2010 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.impawards.com/1993/posters/were_back_a_dinosaurs_story_ver1.jpg

Mordy, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.impawards.com/1993/posters/were_back_a_dinosaurs_story_ver1.jpg

Mordy, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Immediate Spider-Man ref from Donald Glover. LOVE IT

Johnny Fever, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link

already lol'ing

Mordy, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link

looking forward to the gif of that kiss

Kerm, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:11 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm Old White Man Says??? No wonder he says everything I'm thinking!

Mordy, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Alison Brie makes the best crying faces.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link

lol @ the burn on Shit My Dad Says.

Also, saboteur Chang will be fun.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 24 September 2010 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link

good stuff - probably one of the best Britta performances yet

Nhex, Friday, 24 September 2010 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 24 September 2010 03:27 (thirteen years ago) link

Great episode

funky house skeptic (polyphonic), Friday, 24 September 2010 04:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Annie's reactions to Jeff/Britta were great. Also I know it's cheap but Chang can bring the lolz.

No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, 24 September 2010 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link

this pocket got any room or a little spare Chang?

Kerm, Friday, 24 September 2010 05:12 (thirteen years ago) link

shirley's quiet, gleeful clapping during the kiss was also pretty magnificent

Nhex, Friday, 24 September 2010 06:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Everything about this show is so pitch-perfect right now.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 24 September 2010 06:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I just watched the season premier and directly afterwards found myself here as a result of getting high. I think I'm going to like this place. Can somebody tell me how it works?

john.shepherd, Friday, 24 September 2010 09:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Fantastic start to the season, loved it all but I laughed hardest at the Abed/Sherley exchange about "meta" and him wishing all the adventures could all be more like paintball.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 September 2010 13:24 (thirteen years ago) link

"Since you failed to grasp the central metaphor of those insipid Twilight books you devoured, let me explain it to you: men are monsters who crave young flesh. The end."

(¬_¬) (Nicole), Friday, 24 September 2010 13:28 (thirteen years ago) link

"I'll show you the tool that's most important to our survival but I have to warn you, it's my penis."

a hoy hoy, Friday, 24 September 2010 14:15 (thirteen years ago) link

omg the balloons that come with the wedding and irish singer and george clooney best man have half britta face half jeff face

a hoy hoy, Friday, 24 September 2010 14:17 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.viceland.com/blogs/en/2010/09/23/donald-glover-likes-to-shit-on-peoples-faces/

In other words, you’re not Joaquin Phoenix.
No, no, I’m not Joaquin Phoenix. I was told that somebody shit on somebody’s face in that movie. I’m not going to do that.

I just saw that movie last weekend, and yeah, that was an alarming part to see.
I’m not gonna do that on camera.

If you do that, we won’t hear about it.
Well, unless she tells somebody.

Oh, it’s a woman who’s getting her face shit on?
Is it not a woman in the movie?

No, it’s actually Joaquin who gets shit on.
Look, all I’m saying is that to be aroused, I need to shit on someone’s face, usually a woman. That’s all I’m saying. Will that make it in?

Yes, we’ll make the headline: “Donald Glover Likes to Shit on People’s Faces.”
The only way Donald Glover can cum.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:16 (thirteen years ago) link

ratings stayed the same (i.e. abysmal).

No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:17 (thirteen years ago) link

boo.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:18 (thirteen years ago) link

At least they didn't get worse? I was worried about Big Bang Theory taking away a part of the audience.

(¬_¬) (Nicole), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm going to be so sad when this show gets cancelled.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link

I think if Community were to get canned by NBC (which, who knows...they'd be dumb enough to do it), it's got the kind of fanbase that would get it picked up by Comedy Central or TBS.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link

I hope so, but I have my doubts. It's probably going to be like Arrested Development all over again.

(¬_¬) (Nicole), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Too expensive for cable, I'll bet. Either way, with Outsourced doing very well it looks like Community is first in line to get the chop to make way for Parks and Rec. It's all so cruel.

No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I wonder how much that has to do with NBC promoing the shit out of Outsourced all summer. Here's hoping the ratings for that show nosedive in the coming weeks.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link

IT DID WELL? xp

(¬_¬) (Nicole), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:25 (thirteen years ago) link

NBC probably loves backlash at this point, so they'd probably keep it on the air just to spite people who don't like it (Outsourced, that is).

Johnny Fever, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:27 (thirteen years ago) link

Community had about 5 million viewers, Outsourced had a 8 million.

Also, Shit My Dad Says gave 30 Rock a hell of a beating.

No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Ugh.

(¬_¬) (Nicole), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, but Shit My Dad Says got pretty universally panned by critics beforehand and by tv watchers on twitter after its premiere. I bet the second week numbers are considerably less.

I didn't see it, so I don't know how bad it actually is.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Its only the first week, I'm not going to worry about those numbers too much just yet. Lets see what October brings.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 September 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link

Outsourced had the benefit of The Office being a lead-in. Where are the numbers for how many of those 8 million people tuned out before the half hour was up?

Johnny Fever, Friday, 24 September 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link

good ep. I really wanted to see Aison Brie's post-punch reaction play out more just coz I imagine it being insanely great

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 24 September 2010 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link

GRATE ep.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 24 September 2010 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link

this and the league are the only two comedies killing it right out of the gate this season

Mordy, Friday, 24 September 2010 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link

oh Mordy, you just blackened my heart right there

Nhex, Saturday, 25 September 2010 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Really really really hate The League

funky house skeptic (polyphonic), Saturday, 25 September 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link

from what i can tell via twitter, community folx were pleased with the ratings -- everyone was expecting a big drop due to Big Bang Theory, but in reality they were slightly higher than the ratings they were getting last season at 8:00. it's folly to compare community/30 rock ratings to the office/outsourced ratings, because people are still watching the office in large numbers for some reason.

also people were worried about My Generation potentially being big competition, but i heard it did pretty badly.

it sucks and you all love something that sucks (reddening), Saturday, 25 September 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link

lol The League is kinda a joy for me but maybe only bc I'm into fantasy football.

Mordy, Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Community numbers were level with last season, so yeah, the lack of drop-off is a good sign. Still, it was a bit of a shock that it was renewed in the first place, so with no improvements I worry how they'll handle it. I don't know what effect Zucker's exit will have.

No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Saturday, 25 September 2010 01:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm sure I'm not the only one, and I think the show is great on its own merits, but half the reason I love it so much is because all the cast members are on twitter all day long acting just like friends I have in real life. I've even had Donald and Gillian respond to things I've written to them directly, which seems inconceivable for any other show/cast currently on tv. c0rNy, sure, but when Thursday rolls around, I feel extra motivated while watching.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link

The League is the TV they show you in Hell

A B C, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link

never in my life do I want to see Nick Kroll's face again

A B C, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:44 (thirteen years ago) link

the league is so, so bad

J0rdan S., Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link

co-sign on that

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link

pssst i think you want 2010 Fall TV Premieres: What's good and what's not so good?

Kerm, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link

sorry. I love Community and I am not at all sick of Senor Chang even though I know in my rational mind that I should be and Donald Glover in the Spidey pjs made my heart hurt because he would have been great casting

A B C, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link

xp There was some previous discussion of The League upthread.

this and the league are the only two comedies killing it right out of the gate this season

― Mordy, Friday, September 24, 2010 7:54 PM

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 30 September 2010 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link

my bad

Kerm, Friday, 1 October 2010 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link

These chloroform gags are killin it.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 1 October 2010 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link

maura tweted something about glover channeling gene wilder when he's hopping around the janitor and I thought that was pretty OTM and awesome

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 1 October 2010 04:54 (thirteen years ago) link

All I heard was "suck."

Sterling-Kinney (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 1 October 2010 04:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Animated prank at end credits knocked me out of my chair

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 1 October 2010 06:15 (thirteen years ago) link

http://i53.tinypic.com/2m76zb7.gif

Johnny Fever, Friday, 1 October 2010 07:02 (thirteen years ago) link

"Shirley, don't sue a stripper. Life already sued her, and she lost."

(¬_¬) (Nicole), Friday, 1 October 2010 12:50 (thirteen years ago) link

I think this has pretty clearly zoomed past even 30 Rock now. I had to pause several times last night to catch my breath.

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 1 October 2010 13:33 (thirteen years ago) link

this show is killin it

max, Friday, 1 October 2010 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link

funnier than 30 rock or himym right now

max, Friday, 1 October 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/09/alison_brie_on_mad_men_communi.html?mid=twitter_vulture

o_o

We’ve heard about a Claymation Christmas episode. Will that be the topper to last season’s paintball episode?

I think just in terms of the whole outlook in the season, the ante has been upped. It’s not just about having huge fantastical episodes, which there are, but in general I think the whole nature of the show and how silly we can get is being pushed more and more. The Apollo 13 episode — where we kind of go to space, so to speak — that’s going to be one of the more ambitious episodes that we’re all sort of hoping will have a similar if not better feel to the paintball episode. And the Halloween episode, which we just finished, is scaled up. It’s definitely a full-on horror-movie episode and really well done.

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 1 October 2010 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link

I think I prefer the less out-there episodes. I was disappointed to read that interview with the creator guy where he said they were going to try to make more paintball and chicken fingers type episodes. Chicken fingers was by far my least favorite episode from season 1. I don't think it's possible to ever, ever get good comedy out of mafia spoofs (esp. Goodfellas) again!

Dan I., Friday, 1 October 2010 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link

In fact, the fewer genre spoofs of any kind the better

Dan I., Friday, 1 October 2010 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link

would rather have stunt genre episodes than stunt guest stars/casting

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 1 October 2010 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Rob corddry was pretty good! But yeah, not looking forward to all the Betty White we're presumably going to be exposed to this season.

Dan I., Friday, 1 October 2010 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Did her character get fired or something, and all the students got automatic A's?

Sterling-Kinney (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 1 October 2010 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link

She was suspended, I think. I don't think there's any guarantee she's coming back, so I don't think she's going to show up in many episodes.

(¬_¬) (Nicole), Friday, 1 October 2010 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah. She was just stunt casting for the premiere.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 1 October 2010 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Drew Carey's hole in the hand just amazed me, like, where does that even come from. Comedy-wise, I mean. I love this show.

I think John Oliver's character is coming back to fill in as the Anthropology prof.

it sucks and you all love something that sucks (reddening), Friday, 1 October 2010 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link

also whaaa at drew careys weightloss

the only truffuluther on ilx (gbx), Friday, 1 October 2010 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, I don't ever see TPIR, so that was kind of a shock.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 1 October 2010 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah I was actually prompted to google it to be sure

the only truffuluther on ilx (gbx), Friday, 1 October 2010 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link

http://i55.tinypic.com/2enyws1.gif

Johnny Fever, Friday, 1 October 2010 23:31 (thirteen years ago) link

It suddenly occurs to me that the oldwhitemansays gag was/is probably a swing at Shit My Dad Says, in the same way they were ripping on Glee last season...

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 2 October 2010 00:44 (thirteen years ago) link

It most definitely was.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 2 October 2010 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Drew Carey looks, just, wow. Like, it's not him but it's him...crazy.

Loved the "pop!" his hand made when he swung his hand in to shake Jeff's hand...that hand gag was total
gold

VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 2 October 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Ugh could I please say hand a few more times, jeez

VegemiteGrrrl, Saturday, 2 October 2010 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link

thought this was a weaker episode but the chloroform gags were hilarious

hey guys I think maybe in next week's episode jeff is going to think that he's too cool for the group and then at the end he's going to realize that even though they aren't cool, they care for each other and that's what's important

congratulations (n/a), Saturday, 2 October 2010 03:30 (thirteen years ago) link

I know it's dumb to complain about the plot in a show like this but I'd rather they abandon the concept of plot entirely and just have 26 minutes of unconnected jokes than see them use that story again

congratulations (n/a), Saturday, 2 October 2010 03:33 (thirteen years ago) link

1st ep this season was great but this one was just awful imo

bewildered to come here and find ppl loving it like there's no difference

r|t|c, Saturday, 2 October 2010 07:48 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, this week's 30 rock was better. although this was plenty entertaining... I don't watch anything else.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 2 October 2010 07:55 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i liked this week's 30 rock more (unlike last week)

troy's panic dance above absolutely the best bit

sock lobster (blueski), Saturday, 2 October 2010 12:21 (thirteen years ago) link

idk jokes about germans, "slooow news week," chloroform, troy's dance... how was this not a great ep?

kind of 30 rocked out tbh

laughing out loud lol (history mayne), Saturday, 2 October 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link

The Apollo 13 episode — where we kind of go to space, so to speak — that’s going to be one of the more ambitious episodes that we’re all sort of hoping will have a similar if not better feel to the paintball episode. And the Halloween episode, which we just finished, is scaled up. It’s definitely a full-on horror-movie episode and really well done.

Dudes are just racing through the Simpsons trajectory

da croupier, Saturday, 2 October 2010 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah but they've already embraced it

haven't you people ever heard of theodor a-goddamn-dorno (bernard snowy), Saturday, 2 October 2010 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link

this show is unfuckwithable at the moment

luis guzman baking a pie, Sunday, 3 October 2010 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link

@danharmon okay, guys! Not asking you to do anything for me, because you're already fans, I'm just informing: if ratings drop tonight, I kill myself!

@danharmon It's not an appeal, it's just information. I have a gun in my mouth. If I get a 2, I put it in a drawer. 1.9, on the desk. 1.8, BANG.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 7 October 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link

I like that he embraces the interactive possibilities of the Web.

funky house skeptic (polyphonic), Thursday, 7 October 2010 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link

last two episodes hot fire. can't wait for #3

committee for the removal of eccentric, evil mods (C.R.E.E.M.) (San Te), Thursday, 7 October 2010 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Just got the season 1 DVD; the outtakes are as funny as the funniest moments of the episodes...funnier, in some cases.

Sterling-Kinney (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 7 October 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link

tonight's episode was so bad I walked out (of my own living room)

get off my lawn (rockapads), Friday, 8 October 2010 03:22 (thirteen years ago) link

oh no :(

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 8 October 2010 03:29 (thirteen years ago) link

It wasn't very good, but it was hardly that bad. Troy was good, I liked the Betty White Inception coda, and Oliver's delivery of the 'play along' line was excellent.

No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, 8 October 2010 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link

agreed, also the little segment of Oliver force pushing Chang away from the food line, then immediately sliding back to his conversation with Jeff was great

Nhex, Friday, 8 October 2010 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link

"You gain levels, and at a certain point you actually CAN eat a ghost."

No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, 8 October 2010 05:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I liked the episode just fine.

funky house skeptic (polyphonic), Friday, 8 October 2010 06:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, I thought it was just as funny as the other two this season.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 8 October 2010 06:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Okay Patton Oswalt as the doctor was funny. "These paps aren't going to smear themselves!" There wasn't anything wrong with this ep at all. Or the season so far.

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 8 October 2010 06:16 (thirteen years ago) link

Patton made the same cameo in S1 iirc.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 8 October 2010 06:24 (thirteen years ago) link

apparently abed had an episode-long plotline involving a pregnant woman that went on in the background of a lot of different scenes -- my dad noticed something was going on mid-episode, but we didn't catch everything.

it sucks and you all love something that sucks (reddening), Friday, 8 October 2010 06:25 (thirteen years ago) link

in the first scene, there's the pregnant woman in the background. In the cafeteria, she goes into labor. Later, she's giving birth in the back of a van.

kate78, Friday, 8 October 2010 10:58 (thirteen years ago) link

yes because while everyone obsesses about death life goes on etc etc etc

No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, 8 October 2010 13:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Thought it was a very good episode.

Super Cub, Friday, 8 October 2010 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link

honestly, i completely missed the abed thing, and was baffled when he popped up at the end

Nhex, Friday, 8 October 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link

I liked this episode as much as the last one
Teacher: "You in the boobs"

the oil fight was sexy

popular music is destroying our youth (CaptainLorax), Friday, 8 October 2010 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link

great episode... saw the pregnant lady in the opening and wondered if she was why jeff was getting the blood test. after abed reappeared at the end, my gf and i watched the whole episode over again to follow his sub-plot. genius!

you forged the Finnish guy....in Americanese! (stevie), Friday, 8 October 2010 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link

community over 30 rock this week. both excellent though. senor chang saying YOU ARE DRUNK AND STUPID pushed community over the line first.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 9 October 2010 04:39 (thirteen years ago) link

A dis"ass"ter of global "proportions" hit the quad wednesday when two do-"good looking"ers wrestled with an unknown issue involving oil. Looks eco-"friendly" to us, ladies!

http://tinypic.com/r/s0wvar/7 (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 9 October 2010 15:29 (thirteen years ago) link

ahh what was I thinking, ILX losing its hyperbolic nature?

This episode was hilarious. It started slow, but John Oliver was hot fire. There were a few forced jokes in there (mostly in the first five mins), and the oil wrestling thing was cliche, but I still laughed a lot.

THE SOMEWHAT COMPETENT RANDY (San Te), Sunday, 10 October 2010 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link

"Are we thinly veiling personal conflict and passing it off as a lesson? Cuz if so, please continue...."

THE SOMEWHAT COMPETENT RANDY (San Te), Sunday, 10 October 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link

I like that they have lessons. Cynicism is so cheap and easy, and being able to pull off some sort of emotion without resorting to Scrubs or Modern Family tactics is an achievement in this day and age.

No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Sunday, 10 October 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Plus I'm more invested in these characters, so even if an episode (like this week's) isn't firing on all cylinders comedy wise, I still enjoy it.

No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Sunday, 10 October 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link

lol i was quoting the episode

THE SOMEWHAT COMPETENT RANDY (San Te), Sunday, 10 October 2010 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Here's the Abed sidestory condensed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tP0ubODOUQ

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 10 October 2010 16:56 (thirteen years ago) link

wau @ that I didn't see any of that going on the first go round.

THE SOMEWHAT COMPETENT RANDY (San Te), Sunday, 10 October 2010 16:59 (thirteen years ago) link

I had a feeling that the scenes I was seeing were "busier" than normal, but I didn't realize what had happened until someone on here mentioned it when the show was over.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 10 October 2010 17:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, did you notice that the oil drum back there says "Wilde" on it?

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 10 October 2010 17:01 (thirteen years ago) link

such a smart trick.

you forged the Finnish guy....in Americanese! (stevie), Sunday, 10 October 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link

apollo 13 episode toniiiight, so stoked.

Justin Bieber's tweet about the mine rescue (reddening), Thursday, 14 October 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Anus flag!

Johnny Fever, Friday, 15 October 2010 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Well, that was no paintball, but it was sorta funny.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 15 October 2010 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link

haha! awesome!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 15 October 2010 04:48 (thirteen years ago) link

so i just caught up with this entire show in the last week or so and can i say: it is awesome.

carles in carge (s1ocki), Friday, 15 October 2010 05:04 (thirteen years ago) link

it was worth it alone for when abed comes back to find the ship gone.

O holy ruler of ILF (a hoy hoy), Friday, 15 October 2010 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link

thought that was brilliant

definatelypoopsmcgee (chrisv2010), Friday, 15 October 2010 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link

I've never seen Apollo 13 but The Right Stuff is one my all time faves and the opening sequence was awesome.

dan selzer, Friday, 15 October 2010 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link

alison brie gives me a boner.

definatelypoopsmcgee (chrisv2010), Friday, 15 October 2010 14:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Thanks for the heads up

get off my lawn (rockapads), Friday, 15 October 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link

that's what he should say to her

faust LARP (s1ocki), Friday, 15 October 2010 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Those aren't thumbs

macaroni rascal (polyphonic), Friday, 15 October 2010 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link

The Right Stuff is one my all time faves and the opening sequence was awesome.

^^^^^^ watched the opening several times before moving on.

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 16 October 2010 06:31 (thirteen years ago) link

would've been better if they got Goldblum and Shearer to do it!

dan selzer, Saturday, 16 October 2010 13:09 (thirteen years ago) link

nah imo half the fun of these episodes is seeing how much the cast gets into it and wink wink nudge nudge cameos wouldn't add anything -- don't need to see Ray Liotta or whoever popping up in line for chicken fingers

underrated bobos I have honked (some dude), Saturday, 16 October 2010 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link

this show is just hitting that perfect "hanging with your hilarious loveable tv friends" sweet spot... à la season 2 us office, cheers, early 30 rock... LOVE it!

faust LARP (s1ocki), Saturday, 16 October 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link

This episode was not an Apollo 13 reference... obviously no one has seen Space Camp.

sofatruck, Saturday, 16 October 2010 16:16 (thirteen years ago) link

i got that!!

faust LARP (s1ocki), Saturday, 16 October 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link

eleven herbs and space experience

this show is so good

am0n, Sunday, 17 October 2010 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Uh, it was a reference to quite a few movies, including Apollo 13. I mean, the whole Abed thing was a pretty explicit reference to Gary Sinise's character.

xpost

he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 18 October 2010 02:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Anyone know the techno bit playing with during the Pop-n-lockathon a few episodes back? With the whistling? It's been bugging me all day.

Did a brief search but my endurance flags after the first page or so.

R Baez, Tuesday, 19 October 2010 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link

what a peculiar episode so far...

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't even believe in God, but I love me some Abed.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 22 October 2010 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Shirley is especially great tonight.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 22 October 2010 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link

not lolling @ this ep rly :\

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 22 October 2010 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't even believe in God, but I love me some Abed.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, October 22, 2010 12:09 AM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark


dang this is the exact line I was gonna post

Our society and culture has put rock music on the backburner (bernard snowy), Friday, 22 October 2010 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Autotune God of Faaaarts!

Dan I., Friday, 22 October 2010 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Sadly a subpar episode, but still funnier than almost any other show on network TV right now.

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 22 October 2010 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link

i want to see more yvette nicole brown episodes (she feels a bit underused) but yeah this was just ok. the abed meta joke... joke... was ehh

Nhex, Friday, 22 October 2010 03:47 (thirteen years ago) link

I really liked this one.

That is the stench of tyranny (VegemiteGrrrl), Friday, 22 October 2010 05:19 (thirteen years ago) link

I did too. I don't think they all have to be hilarious.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 22 October 2010 05:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I enjoyed the Pierce-as-a-teenager sub story, but the Abed/Jesus/meta thing was really interesting to me. I thought it was pretty smart!

That is the stench of tyranny (VegemiteGrrrl), Friday, 22 October 2010 05:28 (thirteen years ago) link

'hey, bitch, why don't you go back to your temple?'

j., Friday, 22 October 2010 06:35 (thirteen years ago) link

The story was v. interesting but yeah, also not as funny as it could have been. The end all made it worth it though, like Jeff getting Britta added as the emergancy contact and the dressing up as Jeff thing.

O holy ruler of ILF (a hoy hoy), Friday, 22 October 2010 07:09 (thirteen years ago) link

i know abed's jesus getup was going for romance-novel stud, but i'm convinced there was a little tommy wiseau mixed up in there too.

christ a Journey medley (reddening), Friday, 22 October 2010 07:29 (thirteen years ago) link

weird episode

max, Friday, 22 October 2010 07:33 (thirteen years ago) link

but no way it was going to be as good as kfc space

max, Friday, 22 October 2010 07:33 (thirteen years ago) link

"That sounds... very appealing to filmmakers" was sterling though.

All the filmmakers are Jesus and all their cameras are God (CONGO, M.D.), Friday, 22 October 2010 12:26 (thirteen years ago) link

i know abed's jesus getup was going for romance-novel stud, but i'm convinced there was a little tommy wiseau mixed up in there too.

I turned it on halfway through the episode and for about 5 minutes I thought he was being Michael Jackson.

franny glass, Friday, 22 October 2010 13:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Aww, somebody made a Shirley tribute video and Yvette linked to it on twitter (it's actually pretty good)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVZsARKywBc

Johnny Fever, Friday, 22 October 2010 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link

<3

O holy ruler of ILF (a hoy hoy), Friday, 22 October 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link

This reminded me of the God episode of Louie, and not just because of the subject matter. It wasn't funny ha-ha all the time but I really liked a lot of the ideas in it.

Abed also channeling Criss Angel a bit.

macaroni rascal (polyphonic), Friday, 22 October 2010 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Hm, I thought this was great actually, one of their most original, cleverest episodes.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 22 October 2010 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Then, I thought the ep with Jeff's lawyer friend was really weak, relatively.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 22 October 2010 23:45 (thirteen years ago) link

loved the rap - 'tables made of pies'

just sayin, Saturday, 23 October 2010 09:33 (thirteen years ago) link

britta was looking more fine than usual? or was that just me?

O holy ruler of ILF (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 23 October 2010 13:58 (thirteen years ago) link

weird ep for sure

george pimpton (s1ocki), Saturday, 23 October 2010 14:18 (thirteen years ago) link

they shd stop using the word meta

incredible zing banned (history mayne), Saturday, 23 October 2010 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link

pretty sure using the word meta was meta

sonderangerbot, Saturday, 23 October 2010 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link

sundar otm both times

The Boondog Taints II: All Taints Day (stevie), Sunday, 24 October 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link

weird one but i still enjoyed it thoroughly

da croupier, Sunday, 24 October 2010 21:48 (thirteen years ago) link

The "ABED" song was a nice touch.

Pinktits, Sunday, 24 October 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link

OMG SHORT ARMED BRITTA

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 29 October 2010 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link

This is an amazing episode so far.

Mordy, Friday, 29 October 2010 00:39 (thirteen years ago) link

this is as good or better than paintball

Mordy, Friday, 29 October 2010 00:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Be the first black guy to make it to the ned

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 29 October 2010 00:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I wonder if this is even funny to people who don't know the characters. It's hilarious to us, but...

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 October 2010 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link

Chang and Shirley <3<3<3

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 October 2010 00:50 (thirteen years ago) link

I wish I could remember all of Chang's burn quote.

No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, 29 October 2010 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link

IN YOUR FACE

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 29 October 2010 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link

lol @ George Takei's voicemail bonus for people named Kevin.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 October 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link

FLAVA FLAV WAS RIGHT

balls, Friday, 29 October 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link

@perpetua Is every other episode of Community going to be a lame movie parody now?

It's probably not fair to pick on Matthew since he doesn't post here anymore, but this is a case of someone completely missing what's so great about a particular show.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 October 2010 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link

I wish I could remember all of Chang's burn quote.

― No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, October 29, 2010 12:51 AM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark


off the top of my head: "And the award for 'Best Adapted Oscar Burn' goes to... Jeff Winger, for The Man Who Went There!"

quique da snique (bernard snowy), Friday, 29 October 2010 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link

I can see his point, and there were problems with the premise of this episode, but it was still really, really funny so I don't really mind. xpost

Chang killed it all episode.

No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, 29 October 2010 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Perpetua being astoundingly wrong shocker.

romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Friday, 29 October 2010 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Community is special in a way that I can appreciate what the characters are doing and, in a completely separate way, appreciate what the actors are doing within the parameters of the show. When there's a more "normal" episode, I laugh at Troy or Abed or Chang, but in an episode like this, I'm laughing at Donald Glover or Danny Pudi or Ken Jeong having a great time making a tv show.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 October 2010 01:17 (thirteen years ago) link

sepinwall w/ interesting look into community's creative process - http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/community-epidemiology-behind-the-scenes-of-zombie-land

balls, Friday, 29 October 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm still giggling over short armed T-Rex britta ^____________^

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 29 October 2010 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link

@perpetua Is every other episode of Community going to be a lame movie parody now?

Thinking of South Park

I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Friday, 29 October 2010 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link

Fantastic episode. The cat flying across the basement had me rolling. And kudos for completely ruining the Lady Gaga costume joke on The Office.

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 29 October 2010 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link

I love how they keep taking shots at Shatner too.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 October 2010 03:21 (thirteen years ago) link

smh at people who are like "bleh i hate it when they do parodies." WHY DO YOU HATE JOY.

christ a Journey medley (reddening), Friday, 29 October 2010 07:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Zombie Jeff trying to text and Zombie Annie trying to study just killed me, this show is so fucking good right now.

christ a Journey medley (reddening), Friday, 29 October 2010 07:28 (thirteen years ago) link

great ep, so many little details throughout

Nhex, Friday, 29 October 2010 07:37 (thirteen years ago) link

LOL at the dean's voice memos interspersed with ABBA "Oh, and I need to check out this movie called Human Centi-"

righteousmaelstrom, Friday, 29 October 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link

knew I recognised chiquita MD from somewhere; he was good in tht one ep of justified

cozen, Friday, 29 October 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Dean Pelton's Lady Gaga costume was soooo much better than Gabe's.

overrated steven tyler television gigs that I have no interest in viewing (KMS), Friday, 29 October 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link

It also just made more sense; of COURSE Dean Pelton would go as Lady Gaga. Gabe's character isn't interesting enough for him dressing up as Lady Gaga to elicit anything more than a "Oh. Hm." If that.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 29 October 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link

And Pelton's seemed less professional/we-have-a-TV-budget than Gabe's.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 29 October 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link

great episode. Troy and Abed's Alien/Ripley fight had me dying.

@perpetua Is every other episode of Community going to be a lame movie parody now?

yeah, you would think that it would get old, but it's a testament to how great a show it is that after decades of south park/simpsons/family guy 5 parodies per episode, these writers still manage to find fresh ways to pull it off.

get off my lawn (rockapads), Friday, 29 October 2010 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Dean Pelton's Lady Gaga costume was soooo much better than Gabe's.

Oh yeah, so much better. And it did make MUCH more sense. I do have to admit, though, that I actually laughed out loud at The Office this week. More than I have yet this season and most of last season too. The cold open with Stanley was lol and so much better than the forced memes they've been playing with.

Back to the topic at hand though, its killing me that I can't remember where the "I love you" - "I know" reference is from. I know I should know that one. Donald Glover's timing is perfect. His "I have no idea why I thought this would work" switch was so great, as was his "sexy Dracula" costume.

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 29 October 2010 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Empire Strikes Back for one.

No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, 29 October 2010 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Goddammit, thats it!

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 29 October 2010 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link

was jeff dressed as beckham?

cozen, Friday, 29 October 2010 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link

y

No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, 29 October 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link

because

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 29 October 2010 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link

tru

No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, 29 October 2010 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Jeff's transition from zombie to normal without stopping texting was masterful.

I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Friday, 29 October 2010 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link

@perpetua Is every other episode of Community going to be a lame movie parody now?

yeah, you would think that it would get old, but it's a testament to how great a show it is that after decades of south park/simpsons/family guy 5 parodies per episode, these writers still manage to find fresh ways to pull it off.

― get off my lawn (rockapads), Friday, October 29, 2010 3:23 PM (1 hour ago)

Community is more about the parody of movie cliches than specific films.

I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Friday, 29 October 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Dean Pelton's Lady Gaga costume was soooo much better than Gabe's.

This was the first thing I thought of:
http://loonwizard.fatcow.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/bush.jpeg

trishyb, Friday, 29 October 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link

and it does it so quickly! Troy and Zombie Abed was fast but that look was enough to be effective. xpost

Ratings were up because of the Shrek lead-in. Around the same numbers as 30 Rock normally gets, so that's good. The next episode's drop will be important.

No Good, Scrunty-Looking, Narf Herder (Gukbe), Friday, 29 October 2010 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link

was so weird how they both had the exact same lady gaga joke

candid gamera (s1ocki), Saturday, 30 October 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link

"Why did he call me?"

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 30 October 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link

cos he was the only one left?

O holy ruler of ILF (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 30 October 2010 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link

keep lolling at 'oh snap: the man who went there'

it's always random in wackydelphia (history mayne), Sunday, 31 October 2010 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Loved this! The cat joke was so well done...and the Abba soundtrack throughout was soooo lol!!!

That is the stench of tyranny (VegemiteGrrrl), Sunday, 31 October 2010 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link

NBC just ordered two additional eps this season, bringing the total to 24. Hooray!

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 4 November 2010 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link

The Abba soundtrack was the icing on the cake.

romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Thursday, 4 November 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Glad they ordered those before they saw the drop in ratings post-Shrek special lead-in.

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 4 November 2010 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link

I love Community, but damn is NBC desperate if they're ordering a full season and additional episodes.

Gukbe, Thursday, 4 November 2010 20:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Trying to remember where I red it but apparently Community pays for itself in DVD sales not on first run and NBC use online viewing figures as a predictor of this. This is good as the first run ratings are shocking.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 4 November 2010 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm gonna ask for Community DVDs for Christmas then

Life! The Story of Life (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 4 November 2010 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link

It might pay for itself but NBC really needs hits to up revenue. DVD sales and online figures are fine, but nothing compared to the revenue stream of the first run of a primetime hit.

Gukbe, Thursday, 4 November 2010 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Can't see the affiliates being too happy either.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 4 November 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link

I love the show, but there's really no reason it should go beyond a second season. It's a community college! I'm just glad they're getting a full second season.

NBC could do itself a lot of favors by looking at cable (their USA shows do incredibly well and, in most cases, really aren't that bad). If they go edgy like FX or (of late) AMC, they may earn a new reputation as the network which will deliver excellent television at the risk of upsetting the FCC. (I mean, obviously they can't go as far as FX or AMC, but they can push it.)

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 4 November 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link

There's limited value in attempting a gritty and/or edgy cable drama on network TV though. AMC/FX/USA numbers are so far below where networks need them to be. Lone Star is an example. Human Target is probably the closest to a USA show on networks, and it's hardly thriving.

Gukbe, Thursday, 4 November 2010 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link

I guess you're right. They need to shake it up in one way or another, though, because they've got NOTHING.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 4 November 2010 20:36 (thirteen years ago) link

When you only have one show (The Office) that can offer you a lead in to build a new series, you're in trouble, yeah. Still, it works out for the fans of Community. and 30 Rock. and Friday Night Lights.

Gukbe, Thursday, 4 November 2010 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link

The networks definitely have their own personalities. I mean, if I'm watching Grey's Anatomy (for example...I actually haven't watched it in years), I know right away I'm watching an ABC show. NCIS is unmistakably CBS. I can't even imagine either of those shows on alternate networks, and especially not on NBC. NBC dramas over the last decade just seem to have some kind of cheap sheen on them. Friday Night Lights and Southland were the most surprising exceptions, and neither of them translated in that setting.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 4 November 2010 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link

<3 this show

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 5 November 2010 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link

is that Hillary Duff?

Gukbe, Friday, 5 November 2010 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link

y

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 5 November 2010 00:12 (thirteen years ago) link

This episode is really great so far.

I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Friday, 5 November 2010 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link

Damn you Pierce!

Johnny Fever, Friday, 5 November 2010 00:22 (thirteen years ago) link

:D

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 5 November 2010 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link

That one was brought by the letter "S" as in "SNAP"

Mordy, Friday, 5 November 2010 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link

It's going to be a maze

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 5 November 2010 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link

would happily have chang just floating around making comments like that for the rest of the season xpost

Gukbe, Friday, 5 November 2010 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Gary with the check on the weather just made me lol so hard. "IT'S STILL SUNNY"

Mordy, Friday, 5 November 2010 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link

ugh I really hate this Abed-as-Robocop stuff. lol at "it's going to be a maze," though.

Simon H., Friday, 5 November 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link

just watched the zombie ep... if you guys really think that 1/ that was a billionth as good as paintball and 2/ the season hasnt pretty much been a complete fiasco then i don't really know what to say. perpetua otm.

r|t|c, Friday, 5 November 2010 02:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Abed-as-Robocop was, sure, gimmicky, but totally worth it for Britta's "rowboat-cop" line.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 5 November 2010 04:00 (thirteen years ago) link

It's not so much that it was gimmicky, it's that it was a reductive, cheap way to portray his Asperger's, which was handled a little more deftly last season iirc

Simon H., Friday, 5 November 2010 04:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Good point, but it could also be argued (not necessarily by me, I'm just playing devil's advocate) that this is the manifestation of Abed's Asperger's, as seen through Abed's eyes -- a bittersweet gaze into his psyche.

Or something.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 5 November 2010 04:28 (thirteen years ago) link

totally lost my shit at the secret garden/alice in wonderland-type music they played when troy found the trampoline.

the last third of the zombie episode was basically a donald glover showcase, idk how people could watch it and think "oh THIS isn't what i watch community for."

christ a Journey medley (reddening), Friday, 5 November 2010 05:04 (thirteen years ago) link

totally predictable genre cliche "jeff, you've been up there for an hour" had me on the floor.

dan selzer, Friday, 5 November 2010 05:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Loved Chang with the ice cream watching from outside the room the most.

I will always think of you, while (quite) fondly, myself (Evan), Friday, 5 November 2010 05:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I love how these Community keeps repping for other shows Dan Harmon likes:


@vdoozer Cougartown got a shout out by @danharmon on Community tonight. http://i51.tinypic.com/ic7n15.jpg (bottom right hand corner of pic)

http://i51.tinypic.com/ic7n15.jpg

Johnny Fever, Friday, 5 November 2010 06:07 (thirteen years ago) link

lol

Johnny Fever, Friday, 5 November 2010 06:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Projected Cycles! OMG!

Also Garry's weather report!

The trampoline!

Britta looking even hotter with every episode!

Boob bump!

This episode was perfect. I hope they use more different places like they did in the cold open - they can leave the library and classroom occasionally.

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Friday, 5 November 2010 07:30 (thirteen years ago) link

just watched the zombie ep... if you guys really think that 1/ that was a billionth as good as paintball and 2/ the season hasnt pretty much been a complete fiasco then i don't really know what to say. perpetua otm.

― r|t|c, Thursday, November 4, 2010 10:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no way zombies was as good as paintball but... complete fiasco... u trippin homie

max, Friday, 5 November 2010 08:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Ugh, people who keep expecting another paintball episode don't really get this show and, tbh, should probably not even be watching it. This season has been outstanding, and last night's was amazing. Great use of Matt Walsh. My favorite lines:

"They're like walking in dreams."
"Eventually its going to be a maze."

Also, great Andy Dick cameo.

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 November 2010 12:51 (thirteen years ago) link

pierce flying through the air and crashing into the dumpster made me fart.

Str8 Drapin It (chrisv2010), Friday, 5 November 2010 12:55 (thirteen years ago) link

just thinking about "IT'S STILL SUNNY" makes me lol

Mordy, Friday, 5 November 2010 13:02 (thirteen years ago) link

andy dick was in it?

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Friday, 5 November 2010 13:55 (thirteen years ago) link

He was the little tiny pilot in Pierce's remote controlled plane thing.

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 November 2010 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link

huh just assumed that was the dean

gazza bale flame (a hoy hoy), Friday, 5 November 2010 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link

That was kind of magical.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 6 November 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link

thought it was the dean until credits as well.

dan selzer, Saturday, 6 November 2010 03:45 (thirteen years ago) link

anyone hating on this show is insane

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 6 November 2010 07:48 (thirteen years ago) link

its just a big network comedy, and for that its pretty great

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Saturday, 6 November 2010 07:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I can't tell if this is completely serious or just a piece of high-art sarcasm, but it's worth reading: http://diversityawareness.wordpress.com/2010/11/05/nbcs-community-needs-a-mexican-character/

NBC’s Community needs a Mexican character
Posted on November 5, 2010 by Macon Trisdale

NBC’s COMMUNITY NEEDS A MEXICAN CHARACTER. I applaud NBC for their effort in bringing in a diverse cast of characters to a television show. The mediocre comedy entitled Community has several minorities represented… They have a muslim, two black characters, an Asian, several women, a gay dean, and a senior citizen. It would seem that they have all of there bases covered.

But there is one minority that they have completely and unconscionably ignored. That’s right. Our friends to the south… THE MEXICANS. How could they have ignored such a culturally rich and prominent culture? Mexicans are plentiful in community colleges, so why have the Latinos been excluded from the show? My studies show that Mexicans make up a whopping 19% of all community college attendees. And don’t forget all the janitors and maintenance men that are Mexican. America’s community colleges are basically brimming with Mexicans. So why are they being ignored?

I have a few theories as to why Mexicans have been so vociferously excluded:

* Dan Harmon (Community creator) is ignorant
* Dan Harmon is fearful of low ratings due to white people’s hate of Mexicans
* NBC does not allow too many minorities in it’s comedies

Maybe not all of these are true; but if even one of them is true, then it is a despicable situation. Why aren’t more people clamoring about this issue? Don’t people care about inclusiveness, tolerance, and love? Why is the main character a white man? WHAT CAN WE DO?

I’ll tell you what we can do. We can email Joel McHale and Chevy Chaese and Dan Harmon and inform them of this issue. We can start a petition and send it to NBC. We can talk to our neighbors and co-workers about this issue. We need to create a meaningful dialogue about this issue. Our Mexican brothers and sisters are entitled to have the same equality as the other minorities represented in Community.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 7 November 2010 04:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Love how surreal and absurd this season is. Big improvement over the last season.

Darin, Sunday, 7 November 2010 05:38 (thirteen years ago) link

u mad

This season has been outstanding, and last night's was amazing.

u mad

rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Monday, 8 November 2010 00:45 (thirteen years ago) link

this was ok ('it's going to be a maze' = hilare), and last week's was ok, but show has fallen off and im not just comparing it with the paintball ep

rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Monday, 8 November 2010 00:47 (thirteen years ago) link

its fallen off i guess? not as hard as himym or 30r imo

max, Monday, 8 November 2010 00:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I am enjoying it as much as ever.

macaroni rascal (polyphonic), Monday, 8 November 2010 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Loved the Wilhelm Scream in the zombie episode

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 8 November 2010 05:07 (thirteen years ago) link

I didn't catch that, but I'm not surprised at all.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 8 November 2010 05:11 (thirteen years ago) link

im not surprised you didnt catch it either

irritable bol syndrome (s1ocki), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Brought to u by the letter S as in "Snap!"

Mordy, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link

toss me in the 'this season kinda sucks so far except for the first two' pile

Noel 1 Silence 0 (blueski), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link

thought this was the best episode of this season so far. excellent modfam this week too.

Calumny (stevie), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link

I think the first season was pretty uneven but maybe people didn't notice because the show was new and exciting. So basically IMO second season is as good as first season but only because people kind of overrated season one (probably including me).

The only episode that has out-and-out sucked so far this season was the Jesus episode, Shirley just isn't a very funny character and the whole thing just seemed off. I didn't find Halloween as amazing as everyone else but it still was good. Trampoline episode was great.

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 9 November 2010 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link

imo the show really hit its stride with last season's xmas episode and it's been riding a pretty consistent wave ever since, some episodes being better than others.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 9 November 2010 23:49 (thirteen years ago) link

you know which episode deserves a critical reevaluation? the jack black ep. the fact that they put the stereotypical jack black character in the show and then made sure to film the awkward five-second silences following each of his outbursts was genius. not to mention keeping in what sounded like genuine line flubs to hammer home his patheticness even more.

christ a Journey medley (reddening), Thursday, 11 November 2010 06:25 (thirteen years ago) link

otm. also i loved the cheap opening credits/timing gag.

Gukbe, Thursday, 11 November 2010 06:29 (thirteen years ago) link

apparently this week is a bottle episode, so i'm anxious to see how it works out.

Gukbe, Thursday, 11 November 2010 06:29 (thirteen years ago) link

This show got so brilliantly funny so fast I fear for its future. Tonight's ep FTW.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, October 8, 2009 8:20 PM (1 year ago)

I must have gone all-in earlier than I remembered. I wonder what episode it was that made me a complete convert.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 11 November 2010 06:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Wikipedia says that was the fourth episode, "Social Psychology".

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 11 November 2010 06:34 (thirteen years ago) link

apparently this week is a bottle episode, so i'm anxious to see how it works out.

― Gukbe, Thursday, 11 November 2010 06:29 (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

whats a bottle episode?

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 11 November 2010 07:19 (thirteen years ago) link

'sa a doctor cuts you open when-a you sick

Dan I., Thursday, 11 November 2010 07:28 (thirteen years ago) link

you know which episode deserves a critical reevaluation? the jack black ep. the fact that they put the stereotypical jack black character in the show and then made sure to film the awkward five-second silences following each of his outbursts was genius. not to mention keeping in what sounded like genuine line flubs to hammer home his patheticness even more.

― christ a Journey medley (reddening), Thursday, November 11, 2010 6:25 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah totesally

rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Thursday, 11 November 2010 08:28 (thirteen years ago) link

whats a bottle episode?

Networks occasionally ask shows to do an episode on the cheap to create budget space for the more expensive ones. These feature minimal cast members and sets. Breaking Bad's hunt the fly episode, for instance, or the Don and Peggy-heavy "suitcase" episode in the recent mad men season.

So I'd guess no Dean or Starburns or whatever next week, maybe no Chang, just the study group stuck in a single location dealing with character stuff.

Clay, Thursday, 11 November 2010 09:48 (thirteen years ago) link

suitcase episode had hella-expensive ghost cgi tho

look at this dapper motherfucker (reddening), Thursday, 11 November 2010 10:19 (thirteen years ago) link

"Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to the very best bottle episode ever produced."

high expectations considering *that* friends episode is basically the best friends episode along with chandler in a box... which is essentially the second best bottle episode.

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 11 November 2010 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Has this show delivered anything truly amazing after the lackluster season premiere?

Cunga, Thursday, 11 November 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Anything on part with Halloween episode, or Paintball etc?

Cunga, Thursday, 11 November 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Which episode is *that* Friends episode?

trishyb, Thursday, 11 November 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Ugh, people who keep expecting another paintball episode don't really get this show and, tbh, should probably not even be watching it. This season has been outstanding, and last night's was amazing.

― "I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 November 2010 12:51 (6 days ago)

sorry, forgot i did a 2am rant. i only brought up paintball cos the zombie ep was trying and failing so hard to be a sequel to it - in fact i very much agree that paintball (amazing tho it was) was not the be all and end all of this show's former greatness. funnily enough i went on to really enjoy the trampoline one but it's been the first for a long while.

simplistically speaking the whole thing is kinda reminding me of the diff between simpsons then and simpsons now, trying to compete with family guy etc - endless reffy zings and non sequiturs to the point of unravelling the ties that originally bound it together

r|t|c, Thursday, 11 November 2010 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link

it's hard to pin down though cos the lawyer episode (2nd this season iirc) was probably the least random and most sitcommy of them all but was still easily the worst ever.

r|t|c, Thursday, 11 November 2010 22:10 (thirteen years ago) link

all the handwringing over whether this show is good/funny right now is hilarious to me. this show is good, everyone! every episode isn't the state of the sitcom union and we don't need to reassess community's "legacy" or prospects based on whether a gimmick worked for you week to week.

Clay, Thursday, 11 November 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I thought the lawyer episode was pretty fucking funny, esp. Drew Carey and his hand

Baron Strange of Knockin (DJP), Thursday, 11 November 2010 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Me too.

The chloroform gags just kept being hilarious.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 11 November 2010 22:17 (thirteen years ago) link

¯\(º_o)/¯

fucking h8 discussing comedy

r|t|c, Thursday, 11 November 2010 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link

this thread is always relevant:

Which is more annoying: arguing about what people find funny or arguing about what people find sexy?

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 11 November 2010 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link

BRIIIIIIIEEEEEEE

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 12 November 2010 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link

I'LL MAKE YOUR ASS SENSE

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 12 November 2010 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm doing a bottle episode!

Mordy, Friday, 12 November 2010 01:09 (thirteen years ago) link

As funny as Shirley and Chang's hookup was, I don't think I'd like a Baby Shirley-Chang at all.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 12 November 2010 01:21 (thirteen years ago) link

wtf

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 12 November 2010 01:27 (thirteen years ago) link

great ending!

Mordy, Friday, 12 November 2010 01:27 (thirteen years ago) link

So crazy

Johnny Fever, Friday, 12 November 2010 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Ha! Annie's Boobs was really the most satisfactory resolution.

Gukbe, Friday, 12 November 2010 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link

I know! xxp

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 12 November 2010 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link

perpetua See, this is the good kind of Community episode. The kind that isn't pandering to dumbasses.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 12 November 2010 01:30 (thirteen years ago) link

this is the only show i'm excited about watching every single week

Mordy, Friday, 12 November 2010 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link

I would still kick perpetua in the shins if I ever met him.

romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Friday, 12 November 2010 02:03 (thirteen years ago) link

YOU KNOW, GIRL

Gukbe, Friday, 12 November 2010 02:53 (thirteen years ago) link

anyone got a screencap of that last scene with the pile of junk? besides the Troy and Abed in the Morning mug, I wonder if there were other things...

Nhex, Friday, 12 November 2010 03:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Perpetua OTM, I think. This might be my favorite episode ever

Dan I., Friday, 12 November 2010 03:54 (thirteen years ago) link

The point wasn't that tonight's episode wasn't good. It was that the parody/theme episodes pander to dumbasses. If that's true, then I am a proud dumbass. (He hated "Modern Warfare" ffs.)

Johnny Fever, Friday, 12 November 2010 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link

He whacks off to fiery furnaces, his arguments are invalid.

romoing my damn eyes (Nicole), Friday, 12 November 2010 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link

YOU KNOW, GIRL

― Gukbe, Friday, 12 November 2010 02:53 (4 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Friday, 12 November 2010 07:37 (thirteen years ago) link

pink balloon with jeff's face on it which i can remember being a thing i just can't remember the joke; one of shirley's WWBJD wrist bands; some keys; a fancy watch; some tin foil; a lighter; troy's student card; many gel pens in a fancy little lace wrap; troy's human being valentines present to himself signed troy; a piece of paper i cannot see what is written on it; a mariachi band hat...

hoy orbison (a hoy hoy), Friday, 12 November 2010 07:41 (thirteen years ago) link

my sister pointed out that you can just barely see Annie's Boobs lift the pen right at the start of the episode, when Troy is talking about wanting to lick the puppy.

look at this dapper motherfucker (reddening), Friday, 12 November 2010 09:13 (thirteen years ago) link

that was a weird sentence.

look at this dapper motherfucker (reddening), Friday, 12 November 2010 09:14 (thirteen years ago) link

pink balloon with jeff's face on it which i can remember being a thing i just can't remember the joke;

I think that was from this season's premiere, from the "wedding" Abed staged for Jeff and Britta. It's Jeff's and Britta's faces combined.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 12 November 2010 12:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Did anyone else pick up on the implication that Britta and Jeff are still sleeping with each other? (I.E. The condoms and Abed noticing her use of the word "usually" in reference to his underwear.)

R Baez, Friday, 12 November 2010 16:21 (thirteen years ago) link

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbrh5wQT5J1qdlhc1o1_r1_400.gif

Gukbe, Friday, 12 November 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link

amazing episode

"nice try, mike ty ... son"

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 12 November 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link

(wish I could remember the rest of those lines)

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 12 November 2010 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link

"stephen fry!"

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 12 November 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link

I just watched the space simulator through trampoline episodes on OnDemand last night and holy shit this show got funny, like beyond every reasonable expectation I had

"It's going to be a maze." lololololololol

also I love that Jeff isn't always the default star and I think ppl were short-shrifting Shirley in the Jesus movie episode.

Baron Strange of Knockin (DJP), Friday, 12 November 2010 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link

I think Troy is my favorite character on any TV show right now.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 12 November 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link

lol great ep

glad to see my stinging rebuke shamed these dudes into manning up ^_^

r|t|c, Friday, 12 November 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link

I was hesitant about approaching the zombie attack episode but it was awesome. Britta's zombiefication cracked me the fuck up but the true star was the cat in the basement and their reactions to it.

Baron Strange of Knockin (DJP), Friday, 12 November 2010 17:32 (thirteen years ago) link

oh man the sofa cushion in troy's backpack... i lol'd. & pierce's callback to that was excellent too. (xxp)

yah last nite's ep was stellar

ptarmigan (Lamp), Friday, 12 November 2010 17:33 (thirteen years ago) link

I was hesitant about approaching the zombie attack episode cause i didn't want to get bitten

Mordy, Friday, 12 November 2010 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link

my grandmother's hands aren't going to take close-ups of themselves!

look at this dapper motherfucker (reddening), Saturday, 13 November 2010 03:24 (thirteen years ago) link

This pen episode is my favorite Community episode ever

I wasn't so amused with the zombie episode as most people were. My little sister for instance really liked the zombie one but she wasn't super impressed with this pen one - whatever

Life! The Story of Life (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 13 November 2010 03:48 (thirteen years ago) link

shit rewatching this episode is yielding all sorts of lines i didn't hear the first time.

abed: "if we're gonna have a pregnant woman in one of these, i say go 'elevator labor' or go home."

look at this dapper motherfucker (reddening), Saturday, 13 November 2010 03:49 (thirteen years ago) link

perpetua See, this is the good kind of Community episode. The kind that isn't pandering to dumbasses.

this guy is such a turdish critic. i literally cannot stand his awful, self-regarding writing.

Calumny (stevie), Sunday, 14 November 2010 10:43 (thirteen years ago) link

no-one gives a shit what perpetua thinks about anything

rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Sunday, 14 November 2010 10:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Why was the monkey named "Annie's Boobs" again? I totally forget.

Good episode btw.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 14 November 2010 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link

multiple twitter feeds, too:

http://twitter.com/anniesboobs

http://twitter.com/anniesb00bs

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Sunday, 14 November 2010 21:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Troy did a Twitter contest to name the monkey, Senor Chang's suggestion of "Annie's Boobs" won.

look at this dapper motherfucker (reddening), Sunday, 14 November 2010 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Lol @ Troy when they cut open Pierce's casts: "It smells like a Waffle House sink!"

That is the stench of tyranny (VegemiteGrrrl), Sunday, 14 November 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link

i lol'd at that line

get off my lawn (rockapads), Monday, 15 November 2010 02:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Me too. Considering how hard it must be to come up with an original and funny "it smells like" line, that was pretty brilliant.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 15 November 2010 03:55 (thirteen years ago) link

okay I missed a couple of episodes and had no idea the monkey was named Annie's Boobs, so when someone said "you can see Annie's Boobs pick up the pen" I was looking for something completely different

Baron Strange of Knockin (DJP), Monday, 15 November 2010 15:19 (thirteen years ago) link

I was gonna ask why it didn't seem strange to you that Boobs was capitalized, but I guess if anyone's boobs were gonna be capitalized it's her

deej otm (some dude), Monday, 15 November 2010 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link

bOObs

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 15 November 2010 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link

it's hard for me to know exactly but a large percentage of why i like this show is bound up in how hot i find alison brie

Mordy, Monday, 15 November 2010 17:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Same for me, except sub Joel McHale for Alison Brie

That is the stench of tyranny (VegemiteGrrrl), Monday, 15 November 2010 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link

I <3 brie coz I think she's a hilarious actress but I'll take Gillian Jacobs because I do like me an icy blonde

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 15 November 2010 18:13 (thirteen years ago) link

in your defence, it seems to me the show has been a lot more about annie's boobs this season xp

sonderangerbot, Monday, 15 November 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link

for a sitcom about a community college study group, they do find a lot of reasons to take their shirts off.

Kerm, Monday, 15 November 2010 18:42 (thirteen years ago) link

sb?

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 15 November 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link

community colleges are our nation's breeding grounds!

Mordy, Monday, 15 November 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link

xp i ain't complaining

Kerm, Monday, 15 November 2010 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link

noted

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 15 November 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link

you wanna go there? i was BORN there

liked this ep

rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Monday, 15 November 2010 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link

Mordy OTM.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 15 November 2010 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link

According to Dan Harmon's Twitter, the next episode is a "special live" episode starring Gary Busey as Pierce's long-lost son. Not sure if this is a joke, haven't seen anything else about a live episode. Not sure this cast can pull it off, given how 30 Rock's went. Busey could be funny though.

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Not this week's episode, actually, the next one after Thanksgiving.

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 18:06 (thirteen years ago) link

That reads like a Dan Harmon joke to me, but I'll be pleasantly surprised if it turns out to be a reality.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link

He also posted that Abed would discover a T-Rex and Annie would fight nine popes. I hope but highly doubt this is true.

literally the worst thing that ever happened on this planet (reddening), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link

dude busey would be great.

Mark Chmuras Hot Tub Crime Machine (chrisv2010), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link

So the characters have their own Twitter feeds, right? Last night around 3 AM Jeff posts "Sleepy" and Britta replies back "Me too." So they are totally sleeping together.

literally the worst thing that ever happened on this planet (reddening), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link

okay, that is just weird

Life! The Story of Life (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link

tv characters being vital characters outside the show is so meta

Life! The Story of Life (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link

I follow all the actors on twitter, but not their characters. That's one step beyond.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Same here, and while I don't want to be that guy, surely Jeff tweeting at 3AM and then Britta responding means that they're not sleeping together.

Gukbe, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link

I knew I was crossing a line as I was typing that.

Gukbe, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Or, they ARE sleeping together but are creating a Twitter facade to make people think they AREN'T...

(I've been That Guy since the day I was born)

Baron Strange of Knockin (DJP), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Come on, they're sleeping together. Why else would the show have made a point of Britta knowing what underwear Jeff 'usually' wears on a date?

xpost Plus what DJP said.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 19:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Surely that's way too subtle, even for Community.

Gukbe, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 19:08 (thirteen years ago) link

The character Twitters are kind of like a rudimentary ARG, foreshadowing plot points and filling in details. And with the monkey's Twitter account it's pretty clearly just Dan Harmon or one of the other writers just posting random shit:

AnniesB00bs: People want to kno my favrit movie. Please understand that "favrit" is a uniquely human concept. But I love Xanadu and it holds up

literally the worst thing that ever happened on this planet (reddening), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link

ha

Baron Strange of Knockin (DJP), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link

That is funny. I may have to start following AnniesB00bs.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 16 November 2010 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/abedchart1.jpg

Gukbe, Wednesday, 17 November 2010 22:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Gillian and Donald are trading twitter accounts for an hour right now. Pretty funny.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 17 November 2010 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link

gassy

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 18 November 2010 00:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Gillian and Donald are trading twitter accounts for an hour right now. Pretty funny.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, November 17, 2010 11:54 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

are you bros with these guys?

rip whiney g weingarten 03/11 never forget (history mayne), Thursday, 18 November 2010 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Ms. Jacobs and Mr. Glover to you, pal.

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 18 November 2010 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Twitter shit was HILARIOUS. I'd like to see those Big Bang turds try that.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 18 November 2010 02:28 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah!

BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Thursday, 18 November 2010 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link

those turds!

.gif of the magi (Lamp), Thursday, 18 November 2010 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link

This one's off to a great start.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 19 November 2010 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link

Professor Professorson!

Mordy, Friday, 19 November 2010 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Learning!

Mordy, Friday, 19 November 2010 01:13 (thirteen years ago) link

This is why you don't try to teach your dad a lesson!

Mordy, Friday, 19 November 2010 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Britta in the fetish room was LOL

Johnny Fever, Friday, 19 November 2010 01:19 (thirteen years ago) link

wow

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 19 November 2010 01:27 (thirteen years ago) link

That was like Inception with all the levels.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 19 November 2010 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Hey, apparently today IS Latvian Independence Day

http://palmgoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/the_more_you_know2.jpg

Gukbe, Friday, 19 November 2010 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link

wow. just wow.

s.clover, Friday, 19 November 2010 04:09 (thirteen years ago) link

would were that my television were a time television so i could watch that episode for the first time again.

s.clover, Friday, 19 November 2010 04:12 (thirteen years ago) link

chase thru the fort was pretty great

max, Friday, 19 November 2010 04:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Alison Brie seriously does some Lucille Ball-type physicality every fucking week and it's amazing

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 19 November 2010 04:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh exactly, I can't think of very many actresses that could pull off her fall on the floor and speak in tongues gag.

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 19 November 2010 05:06 (thirteen years ago) link

the dalmatian guy was in the fetish room....lol

sous les paves, Friday, 19 November 2010 05:09 (thirteen years ago) link

my t0rrent suggests it was a zerbraman

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 19 November 2010 05:11 (thirteen years ago) link

principles of intermediate
studyology
class 101
learning!

strangled by a necklace of mexicans (Pillbox), Friday, 19 November 2010 05:23 (thirteen years ago) link

i started watching this like 5 minutes into it and i could not make heads nor tails of what was going on

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Friday, 19 November 2010 05:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Interesting to find out that Dan Harmon doesn't actually have a writer's credit since the second episode of the first season, and that there are SO MANY writers on this show. That's why the episodes are so different from week to week. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Community_episodes

tbh, I figured while I was watching tonight's episode that Harmon had gone crazy one night and hammered this script out in 20 minutes in a fit of delusional brilliance.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 19 November 2010 05:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't know!

...but-- but--

I don't know!

Nhex, Friday, 19 November 2010 08:01 (thirteen years ago) link

this was kind of amazing, tbh

BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Friday, 19 November 2010 08:03 (thirteen years ago) link

except the abed/troy bit at the end (it's mainstream, shut it down) was pretty wince-y. the meta jokes are funny but a little too close to the wind sometimes.

also: yeah, alison brie's physical acting was pretty phenomenal. actually, pretty much everyone was a little more cartoonish in this one, now that i think about it.

BIG MUFFIN (gbx), Friday, 19 November 2010 08:07 (thirteen years ago) link

totally awesome.

j., Friday, 19 November 2010 08:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Having finished a stint at community college just about a year ago, and taking more than half of my classes at night, I can back up the authenticity of the inherent creepiness of a campus after dark. The freaks come out.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 19 November 2010 08:34 (thirteen years ago) link

chase thru the fort was pretty great

"I know a shortcut. Through the Turkish District!"

Stockhausen's Helicopter Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 19 November 2010 09:49 (thirteen years ago) link

the parade thing was straight out of hitchcock. 39 steps? nbnw?

s.clover, Friday, 19 November 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link

I thought it was more of a parody of different movie chase scenes. Hitchcock came to mind, as well as The Fugitive Harrison Ford version.

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 19 November 2010 21:42 (thirteen years ago) link

also Indiana Jones market scene

Mordy, Friday, 19 November 2010 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link

<3 Kevin Corrigan

congratulations (n/a), Saturday, 20 November 2010 01:38 (thirteen years ago) link

This is a still from the upcoming Community claymation Xmas special (!) on Dec. 9

http://splitsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/communityxmas.jpg

the 'Friends' experiment (Pillbox), Saturday, 20 November 2010 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link

lol @ Jeff being a jack in the box. But why is Shirley topless and in a diaper?

Also, that's John Oliver in the wizard garb I presume?

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 20 November 2010 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm pretty sure she's the baby Jesus. Cuz why not?

R Baez, Saturday, 20 November 2010 02:16 (thirteen years ago) link

lol @ Britta

Gukbe, Saturday, 20 November 2010 02:25 (thirteen years ago) link

xp Yeah, that makes sense.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 20 November 2010 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Holy shit.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 20 November 2010 03:00 (thirteen years ago) link

excited for claymation now!

Kevin Corrigan is the shit, he was great as the bowling-alley shrink in Fringe too.

And omg the fort chase was terrific.

That is the stench of tyranny (VegemiteGrrrl), Saturday, 20 November 2010 03:03 (thirteen years ago) link

great episode. I love conspiracy theories/political thriller type stuff, this one was great. No less then the "this is a zombie film pastiche" or "this is an action film pastiche", just less reliant on props/costumes. And Kevin Corrigan always kills it.

dan selzer, Saturday, 20 November 2010 05:00 (thirteen years ago) link

omg that claymation, i'm going to die. is pierce a teddy bear?

literally the worst thing that ever happened on this planet (reddening), Saturday, 20 November 2010 05:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Annie was off-the-charts awesome in this episode, her lolling around in the hallways yelling "bleep bloop" was so defiant and unabashed.

literally the worst thing that ever happened on this planet (reddening), Saturday, 20 November 2010 05:06 (thirteen years ago) link

shirley as a baby might have something to do with shirley being pregnant.

phantompenguin, Saturday, 20 November 2010 06:29 (thirteen years ago) link

okay everything about that episode was wonderful

human fleshy kids (stevie), Saturday, 20 November 2010 13:06 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah both this and 30 rock peaked this week. kevin corrigan is a genius.

sonderangerbot, Saturday, 20 November 2010 13:55 (thirteen years ago) link

amazing in freaks & geeks

mo loko (cozen), Saturday, 20 November 2010 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link

another great mod fam too.

human fleshy kids (stevie), Saturday, 20 November 2010 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link

according to Dan Harmon, the stop-motion Christmas episode is going to be completely stop-motion, not just portions interspersed with live action. someone tell Perpetua so he can get a head start on complaining.

literally the worst thing that ever happened on this planet (reddening), Sunday, 21 November 2010 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link

<3 u Dan Harmon

That is the stench of tyranny (VegemiteGrrrl), Sunday, 21 November 2010 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link

<3

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh I can't wait.

Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 23 November 2010 23:28 (thirteen years ago) link

So I basically just rewatched the first season of Community with friends who had never seen it before and watching it again (esp from the Debate episode and onward) is somehow making me love the show even more. I love how the relationships were in that season and how they evolved perfectly into what they are today. Like the conspiracy episode really only worked because of the relationship between Annie + Jeff which took that Debate episode to shift (the show was single-mindedly about Jeff + Britta in the first half of the first season) and then the Pascal's Triangle episode to really give the payoff.

Mordy, Thursday, 2 December 2010 21:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Annie "Hot Lips" Edison

Mordy, Thursday, 2 December 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link

The commentaries (on every episode!) are pretty great, especially about which lines were ad-libbed. Of course, I can't remember a single example right now.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 2 December 2010 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link

oh man there are commentaries on the dvd? i fucking hate not being american at times.

purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 2 December 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link

lol "You don't know me!"

Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Friday, 3 December 2010 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link

emo episode :/

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 3 December 2010 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link

I liked it.

Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Friday, 3 December 2010 01:36 (thirteen years ago) link

I notice they've been underlining Abed's Asperger's more and more over the past few episodes.

R Baez, Friday, 3 December 2010 02:57 (thirteen years ago) link

The Lifetime of episodes.

Kerm, Friday, 3 December 2010 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link

That was really good! Troy realizing adults are not smarter ;_;

Lol @ Abed & the Farscape conversation. That happened to me at bar once with a dude who liked Bruce Springsteen. At the end of the night he asked my friend for my number. I spazzed out when she told me and she was all "Well why did you talk to him all night?"
Me: "(Shrug) I just thought he liked Bruce Springsteen!"

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Friday, 3 December 2010 05:31 (thirteen years ago) link

i dig the characters so much that i'm totally cool with the emo elements.

also Troy's "Abed, nobody likes a tattle tale" was lol.

Gukbe, Friday, 3 December 2010 05:32 (thirteen years ago) link

xpost - that has been most of my experiences with extended chats in bars tbh.

Gukbe, Friday, 3 December 2010 05:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Lol.

And yeah otm, they're at the point where they can do anything and I'll go along.

Seeing Joel McHale next Saturday, pretty excited imo (<3 btw)

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Friday, 3 December 2010 05:38 (thirteen years ago) link

For two milliseconds I was scared Troy and Annie were going to kiss in her hallway, so I'm glad they didn't. (not that kisses on this show have led to anything by the time of the next episode)

Señor Mexico (Johnny Fever), Friday, 3 December 2010 05:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Chevy messing around in the birthday cake was pretty funny, btw.

Señor Mexico (Johnny Fever), Friday, 3 December 2010 05:40 (thirteen years ago) link

not sure how i feel about this one -- i laughed a lot, funny joeks, etc, but the whole "shirley used to be a drunk" thing felt like too big a revelation to be left hanging like that. i'm sure it'll get addressed again but idk. it's nice that they'd try to humanize her after how self-righteous she's been, but this was a pretty big and sudden drop.

literally the worst thing that ever happened on this planet (reddening), Friday, 3 December 2010 05:54 (thirteen years ago) link

that episode has the on-screen vers of:

in my experience calling a girl annoying is guy for "im gonna try and fuck that chick". its an instant break up in my book.

-- sunny successor, Wednesday, March 5, 2008 1:47 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 3 December 2010 06:00 (thirteen years ago) link

"I was raised on a trout farm!"

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Friday, 3 December 2010 07:04 (thirteen years ago) link

The Farscape references were hilarious, and I do agree w/Abed's theories about wormholes.

THX THO... (Nicole), Friday, 3 December 2010 11:24 (thirteen years ago) link

they're really going all out in making pierce as pathetic as possible, to the point where it's almost not funny - no one really likes him or wants him around

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 3 December 2010 13:48 (thirteen years ago) link

emphasis on "almost"

+ lol at imagining Chevy Chase sitting in a wheelchair trying to say lines while Community crew members remote-control spin him around and slam into things

'The Road'(a hundred less-than signs)'Taken' (bernard snowy), Friday, 3 December 2010 13:57 (thirteen years ago) link

this is pure conjecture but chase is known to be a total dick IRL and I wonder if the writers/show producers are taking revenge on him with what they're doing to pierce

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 3 December 2010 14:07 (thirteen years ago) link

I remember Joel McHale was on twitter talking about how cool Steve Martin was when he met him, so Joel and Dan Harmon had this joke about how they picked the wrong amigo.

THX THO... (Nicole), Friday, 3 December 2010 14:14 (thirteen years ago) link

xpost yeah definitely, it's hilarious to picture — all calling in favors from big-name hollywood types with longstanding grudges against him

'The Road'(a hundred less-than signs)'Taken' (bernard snowy), Friday, 3 December 2010 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link

"22 minutes? yeah, sure, we can do that for you. but I'm gonna need a lock of Chase's hair, and I plan to keep the clay model of him when we're done shooting..."

'The Road'(a hundred less-than signs)'Taken' (bernard snowy), Friday, 3 December 2010 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link

^^^^ jokes I gave up on and posted as-is because I couldn't quite get them to work

'The Road'(a hundred less-than signs)'Taken' (bernard snowy), Friday, 3 December 2010 14:25 (thirteen years ago) link

doodely doo.

The pictures of Shirley were priceless.

I've got a bush like a 50 year old Serbian (chrisv2010), Friday, 3 December 2010 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link

i know i am the sucker we all hate for wanting things to go a bit friends but i was so disappointed nothing came of annie and troy at the door. i think that would be a hilarious storyline imo.

purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Friday, 3 December 2010 18:38 (thirteen years ago) link

supposedly starburns is in charge of the stop motion episode as he used to do moral orel for adult swim..

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 3 December 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link

i wonder what misfit toy he will be

ZOUNDS! (CaptainLorax), Friday, 3 December 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link

The little tease after last night's epiode made me so excited. I briefly felt like a kid again, anticipating the annual showing of Rudolph. I <3 this show so much and am going to be heartbroken when it gets cancelled.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 3 December 2010 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link

they already discarded the annie/troy thing nicely i thought

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Saturday, 4 December 2010 03:43 (thirteen years ago) link

they're really going all out in making pierce as pathetic as possible, to the point where it's almost not funny - no one really likes him or wants him around

― congratulations (n/a), Friday, December 3, 2010 8:48 AM (13 hours ago) Bookmark

i agree with this, i find i don't really enjoy watching his character very much

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Saturday, 4 December 2010 03:44 (thirteen years ago) link

hard to root for annie/troy when annie/jeff have so much chemistry omg i'm a shipper

Mordy, Saturday, 4 December 2010 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link

re: pierce; was wondering if chevy had injured himself again or something, thus his character being placed in the wheelchair.

Babylon and zing (stevie), Saturday, 4 December 2010 10:45 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah it's not so much that he's been less likable than before, he's just not been in it. no stories, basically no lines. pretty sure they knew he was an ass before they hired him though. i figure he's pretty much like this all the time irl:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dKKcJdKorA

anyway, latest episode was great with the guy throwing his drink in abed's face and all.

sonderangerbot, Saturday, 4 December 2010 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link

funny guy

mo loko (cozen), Saturday, 4 December 2010 14:24 (thirteen years ago) link

i was so disappointed nothing came of annie and troy at the door.

I actually thought it was great that they seemed to build up to it and then not go there at all, giving us Jeff's and Britta's sloppy drunken makeout instead.

Btw, Abed was never actually diagnosed with Asperger's, right?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 4 December 2010 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link

neither was Sheldon Cooper

some dude, Saturday, 4 December 2010 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Ha. I mean, Sheldon's pretty genuinely disconnected and baffled by social interactions whereas Abed is mostly just too rational and self-possessed to care about some things. Sheldon actually had no concept that grad students were throwing themselves at him. Abed realized the guy was hitting on him; He just enjoyed talking about Farscape.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 4 December 2010 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link

I apologize for that capital "h" btw. The episode from s1 where everyone was trying to 'Can't Buy Me Love' Abed is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. It showed more about the rest of the group's hangups than than it showed that Abed has any disorder. That said, there are episodes (e.g. the 'mean girls' episode) when I start to wonder if the show's writers are all that clear on the distinction themselves.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 5 December 2010 04:10 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i was mostly kidding. i think Abed has a kind of refreshing amount of perspective compared to the average sitcom's one "weirdo" character whose behavior usually hinges on them being too dumb and/or un-self-aware to realize when they're acting strange -- and even when he does go really far out there either Jeff punctures it or Troy goes along with it to hilarious results.

some dude, Sunday, 5 December 2010 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link

he's just a student of human character with a buttload of self-esteem.

j., Sunday, 5 December 2010 04:36 (thirteen years ago) link

with all that self-esteem you mention you would think he would have a girlfriend :/

ZOUNDS! (CaptainLorax), Sunday, 5 December 2010 06:40 (thirteen years ago) link

j. OTM.

Abed has had girlfriends, as the s1 episode I mentioned showed. Many women find him attractive. Besides, having high self-esteem can mean that you have less of a need to be in a relationship for the sake of it. He seems pretty content doing his thing.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 5 December 2010 06:47 (thirteen years ago) link

he's had a few, including dennis from it's always sunny in philadelphia's real life ridiculously hot wife. they probably overplay (esp in the first season) the 'this guy is actually amazing at everything' abed as much as they do dorky, slightly aspie abed (though decidedly not aspie right? abed's got way to strong a sense of humor and he's frequently insightful about social mores around him).

balls, Sunday, 5 December 2010 07:12 (thirteen years ago) link

the having of a romantic partner is probably always going to be off the table on this show anyway, since it's organized around plots about the group's stability and cohesiveness, which are threatened by a) outsiders trying to get in, b) insiders becoming attracted to outsiders, and c) complications in internal relationships that lead to imbalances or departures.

(compare to a lot of 'buffy' plots)

a big part of abed's character is related to his attraction to the world of imagination. a big part of the show involves the comedy of people who aren't yet fully formed (educated / grownup) seeking out individual identities within a community of equals (itself always set inside larger and larger groups that bump into each other and cause people to momentarily falter in how well-formed they've managed to become so far)—especially via the medium of assuming roles and performing them, and imagining/investigating roles that they could assume. so abed's character is special because he's most connected to the most general conditions the whole show takes place under and investigates. part of its conceit is that people primarily imagine what kinds of people they could be or how they could live their lives in terms of made-up stories and characters that they take, nowadays, from tv and movies. abed recognizes that and makes it more extreme, partly because he sees those stories as more understandable and attractive than the disappointing world around him, and partly because he sees the stories as a way of relating to others on a more idealized terrain that lets them repair the defects of their ordinary lives.

in certain ways that makes abed very socratic/platonic. he's got one foot outside of reality (i.e. the everyday world out of touch with imagination), which makes him seem stunned and bewildered by it in comparison to other people, even though his immersion in the world of imagination gives him insight into everyday life. he's self-possessed and controlled, apparently without the kind of neediness for social and romantic relationships that other people have, even though he still appreciates them. his primary relationship (with troy, who is the 'learner' in the relationship to abed's 'teacher') is homoerotic but based on a shared love of imagination rather than on any worldly goods (sex, pleasure, wealth, fame, status). and his love of imagination is in the service of improved human community in which people can be their best selves, even though it is occasionally at risk of becoming detached from reality, mainly because its exuberance and intoxication with the imagination (e.g. abed's vampire self, his god-movie).

pretense is closely related to playing a role and to playing make-believe, which is why there are characters that are more pathetically funny because they're based on attempts to make themselves out as something they're not, even though no one else accepts it—like chang or pierce. or, like in the dean's case, their primary social identities are based on their role of constantly trying to coax pretensions about their shared social life into being fully convincing and participated in by everyone involved even though people are generally cynical, apathetic, and uninvolved, which is why the dean is like a) a kindergarden teacher and b) saddled with every administrative-leftist/political-correctness-joke trope there is.

j., Sunday, 5 December 2010 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link

'mainly because of its exuberance', i meant.

the pathetic characters also have ways of forcing / enticing people into putting up with their pretenses anyway, like chang's authority as a teacher, pierce's money, or the dean's administrative power. now that chang doesn't have that authority he's more pathetic but also more hilariously abusive.

j., Sunday, 5 December 2010 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link

holy shit dude

It's Long Like Donkey Dong (some dude), Sunday, 5 December 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link

I can't even...

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Sunday, 5 December 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link

j. out of curiosity are you writing your thesis on 'Community' by chance? :)

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Sunday, 5 December 2010 22:11 (thirteen years ago) link

ok but troy and annie go against that a bit, no? they are p much willow and oz if you go back to the buffy thing, not a relationship born out of all of that but instead actually liking each other and mutually being able to help each other connect, grow etc. (Willow and Tara being the only other relationship in the show not coming out of dire circumstances?)

purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 5 December 2010 22:37 (thirteen years ago) link

holy shit dude

― It's Long Like Donkey Dong (some dude), Sunday, December 5, 2010 10:04 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark

'The Road'(a hundred less-than signs)'Taken' (bernard snowy), Sunday, 5 December 2010 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link

just spillover from the life of the mind yo

j., Sunday, 5 December 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link

willow and tara's relationship is attractive to willow because it lets her pursue, with recognition by tara, full expression of her developing self (i.e. as a witch, as someone with power of her own contra her primary social group which is dominated by buffy), which was rebuffed by the shallow pretenses at identity formation of the campus wiccan group; but it's also forged in dire circumstances when mortal danger becomes the excuse for them to show and admit to intimacy.

troy and annie have a special capacity for recognizing one another since they knew their past selves as well as their present ones—which is special in this group since the general premise is that people are trying to overcome/escape/leave behind their past selves. i don't know where they're supposed to be going, though. it seems like annie's arc should be away from her past via realization that her past fantasies about happiness were just that. but they've also done a bit to indicate that e.g. her pill addiction was tied up with her ambition and that her acknowledgment of the value of her present social relations puts something of a check on her ambitions.

where that fits in with troy depends on his arc, too, and i'm less clear on what it could be. i thought his part in the troy-turns-21-everyone-goes-drinking story was really interesting—not just because of the stuff about how stupid adults actually are, but because the action was focalized around him, so that peoples' drunken behavior (not extreme, just boringly normal) was shown as unappealing in the same kind of way that abed is shown as regarding unimaginative reality. he would rather have interesting, genuinely absorbing interactions with others rather than obliterating ones that bring out how people who think they're opposed don't even realize that they share something in common (i.e. britta and jeff, in the car ride home). but even though troy and annie have special opportunities to know each other because of their past, i think the whole arc set up by the show's premise would have them establishing separation from each other.

j., Sunday, 5 December 2010 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link

part of annie's past self involved her ugliness—acne, no boobs—and so the fact that she is now attractive to her past object of idealized affection, now that she has become hot, should stand as an obstacle to her self-realization, because it could easily become the wrong reason that anyone who knew her before is attracted to her now.

j., Sunday, 5 December 2010 23:09 (thirteen years ago) link

This thread now needs a Kindle app

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Sunday, 5 December 2010 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link

also, speaking of people seeking their identities in the human community—

given the first season's awesomely drawn-out jokes about the dean becoming a furry ('i hope this doesn't awaken something in me…'), his voice memos played over the PA in this year's halloween episode are really disturbing.

after the greg kinnear movie he reminds himself to check for something called 'human cent—', and then it's cut off. this movie? a saw someone tweet: 'it's all about bringing people together'.

j., Sunday, 5 December 2010 23:22 (thirteen years ago) link

naw, probably something else

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Sunday, 5 December 2010 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link

j. yr posts here are awesome. wish I had something to add to the conversation but uh I mostly just watch it for the jokes >_>

'The Road'(a hundred less-than signs)'Taken' (bernard snowy), Sunday, 5 December 2010 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link

snowy otm

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Sunday, 5 December 2010 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link

J., although I haven't read Socrates or Plato, I think I basically agree with your first long post except for the characterization of Troy's and Abed's friendship as 'homoerotic' in any sense. It's a close friendship but I don't see any reason to attribute eroticism to it: If anything, it makes me think more of a pre-sexual sort of childhood friendship, like the bond I had with my best friend when I was 10. (These are often also based on love of imagination, of course.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 5 December 2010 23:47 (thirteen years ago) link

ya i think it sort of speaks to the uneasiness in our culture that we have about close male relationships that the "homo-erotic" modifier gets appended to describe that kind of friendship

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Sunday, 5 December 2010 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link

they hold hands which is p gay

purblind snowcock splattered (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 5 December 2010 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link

they should totally make an episode where Troy realizes he acts gay around Abed so Troy purposely avoids Abed and acts like a jerk when he does see him... (dot dot dot)

ZOUNDS! (CaptainLorax), Monday, 6 December 2010 00:01 (thirteen years ago) link

oh, surely—if i were being more careful i would have said 'homosocial', and of course a lot of the in-show jokes are about it being misrecognized as (proto-)homo-erotic by others. (and of course, troy's got a thing for butt stuff.)

the stuff about childhood is good—and it's connected up with the contemporariness of the show (a culture of adolescents staring at fart videos on youtube instead of actually learning about human culture) and the romantic-artist-imagination-self-creation stuff that i mentioned above. the end-show bit with abed fooling troy with the wall mural was amazing—especially troy's sad closing repetition about not being taken in by the prospect of a return to childhood wonderland.

j., Monday, 6 December 2010 00:08 (thirteen years ago) link

i mean TENT FORT

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Monday, 6 December 2010 00:19 (thirteen years ago) link

<3

j., Monday, 6 December 2010 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link

can't believe Abed is now on ILX

Gukbe, Monday, 6 December 2010 00:58 (thirteen years ago) link

the end-show bit with abed fooling troy with the wall mural was amazing—especially troy's sad closing repetition about not being taken in by the prospect of a return to childhood wonderland.

― j., Monday, December 6, 2010 12:08 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark


otm, this really was one of the most incredible moments in the show thus far

'The Road'(a hundred less-than signs)'Taken' (bernard snowy), Monday, 6 December 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link

omg the "TOOOOOOO YOU!" opening of the most recent ep was so good

shirley summistake (s1ocki), Monday, 6 December 2010 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link

i have a different take on abed, which is that Community (and Dan Harmon specifically) recognizes that the two most popular modes of articulation atm are this kinda 'aspie' dialogue and this 'snarky' dialogue (obv living in different contexts; psychology v. popular culture) and that they are actually speaking in a similar disaffected/affectless voice. these two voices come together in abed who is simultaneously aspie (unable to fully grasp real emotional depth) and snarky (like in robocop snark episode or really any time where he seems very saavy). the concept being that both dialogues are actually one + the same; these modes of articulation that fail to address serious emotional lacunas. one reason Community speaks so strongly to me is that it's about creating these communities of support + family in light of absolute failure (and moreover, in this Hegelian twist, creating this communities in the very failed institutions that necessitate them). that's why plotlines like jeff sleeping in his car, or troy moving in with abed, or pierce, are so important -- this is a show literally about grappling with notions of domesticity + family in the broader experience of total failure (homelessness, unemployment, the very model of community college as institutions of higher education that fail the majority of its students). abed is then this almost liminal figure between the disaffected tone we take on in our experience of alienation from the community but also recreating that community within new models. (And then on a personal experience level we experience community in watching the show every week and posting about it and sharing it with friends so this very savvy piece of popular culture also becomes a way for us to create families, even as the institutions around us - government, education, economy, pop culture itself - fall to pieces.)

Mordy, Monday, 6 December 2010 03:45 (thirteen years ago) link

jesus did society crumble in the time it took to read that post?

ITT Deadliest Choads (some dude), Monday, 6 December 2010 03:47 (thirteen years ago) link

yes

Mordy, Monday, 6 December 2010 03:47 (thirteen years ago) link

"oh shit, i got really engrossed in a message board thread and looked up, and there was no more postal service"

ITT Deadliest Choads (some dude), Monday, 6 December 2010 03:48 (thirteen years ago) link

it's cool dude we got owl city now.

literally the worst thing that ever happened on this planet (reddening), Monday, 6 December 2010 05:43 (thirteen years ago) link

it has begun!!

Mordy, Friday, 10 December 2010 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link

sooooo psyched for this!!!

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Friday, 10 December 2010 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link

here. we. go.

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 10 December 2010 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link

asterisk.

Mordy, Friday, 10 December 2010 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link

because I'm progressive and kick ass

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 10 December 2010 01:10 (thirteen years ago) link

cookies.

Mordy, Friday, 10 December 2010 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link

if only he could find the power to not be a smug douche

Mordy, Friday, 10 December 2010 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link

bjork

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 10 December 2010 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link

this is really something else

Mordy, Friday, 10 December 2010 01:19 (thirteen years ago) link

That turned out to really be sweet.

Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Friday, 10 December 2010 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link

This was the best show that was ever on TV ever in the history of TV.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 10 December 2010 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link

it was pretty awesome. not my fave ep of the season, but def one of the best christmas television episodes i've ever seen

Mordy, Friday, 10 December 2010 01:30 (thirteen years ago) link

I didn't lol very much but I still enjoyed it. and the ending was nice

unemployed aerosmith fans I have shoved (bernard snowy), Friday, 10 December 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link

also Mordy I like yr thesis about the snark/aspie overlap — it's something that used to weird me out when I first started watching the show and didn't really 'get' Abed's character

unemployed aerosmith fans I have shoved (bernard snowy), Friday, 10 December 2010 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Lost DVD joke was hilarious and also legitimately cathartic.

literally the worst thing that ever happened on this planet (reddening), Friday, 10 December 2010 06:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Wow that was genuinely moving. Love this show SO much

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Friday, 10 December 2010 06:25 (thirteen years ago) link

This ep made me realize how sick I am of Christmas culture in general.

Simon H., Friday, 10 December 2010 07:17 (thirteen years ago) link

I believe the phrase you're looking for is, ahem, "BAH HUMBUG"

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Friday, 10 December 2010 07:36 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah pretty much.

Simon H., Friday, 10 December 2010 08:30 (thirteen years ago) link

Christmas Pterodactyl

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 10 December 2010 09:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Just noticed that, right after "The End" on the TV they're watching, you can see the non-stop-motion cast in the reflection of the screen.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 10 December 2010 14:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Lost DVD joke was hilarious and also legitimately cathartic.

Yes.

THX THO... (Nicole), Friday, 10 December 2010 14:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Such a great, and sweet, episode.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 December 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link

My favorite bit was probably when John Oliver skated backwards on one foot out of the Cave of Frozen Memories, such a nice touch.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 December 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link

agree that it didn't really bring the lulz but was very well made and entertaining

http://www.ilxor.com/glyloop.mp3 (Aerosol), Friday, 10 December 2010 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link

I liked the songs!

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Friday, 10 December 2010 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link

i thought this was kinda wack guys, sorry.

irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:14 (thirteen years ago) link

>:(

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link

i did too^^^. I was disappointed.

Let me explore your musky garden. (chrisv2010), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:17 (thirteen years ago) link

Nice to find out which ilxors lack hearts.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link

i thought it was touching and all...but....

Let me explore your musky garden. (chrisv2010), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah yeah, take it to the "Bah Humbug" thread :)

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:43 (thirteen years ago) link

did i miss something, why did they want to kick abed out of school?

Let me explore your musky garden. (chrisv2010), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link

haha

http://www.ilxor.com/glyloop.mp3 (Aerosol), Friday, 10 December 2010 18:44 (thirteen years ago) link

slow sad Christmas song

Trip Maker, Friday, 10 December 2010 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link

Bc of his psychotic break with reality xxp

Mordy, Friday, 10 December 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link

hey my wife had one of those and no one wanted to kick her out of school. alhtough its funny because her delusions were about Lost.

Let me explore your musky garden. (chrisv2010), Friday, 10 December 2010 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Clay Britta hotter than clay Annie.

nickn, Friday, 10 December 2010 21:09 (thirteen years ago) link

No way, Britta's clay counterpart looked like shit, the way they overemphasized her lower eyelids.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 December 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah it looked like they stapled some pastrami flaps to her eyes.

Let me explore your musky garden. (chrisv2010), Friday, 10 December 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Wow, that's got to be the most ambitious thing any sitcom has ever done. I thought it was brilliant! Def. worth $3.50 for the HD iTunes download.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 10 December 2010 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link

OK, the eyes were weird but Annie looked like some generic kids' doll.

nickn, Friday, 10 December 2010 21:17 (thirteen years ago) link

I agree that it seems unlikely for someone to get kicked out of school over something like that though. And a little disappointed that the writers seem to actually believe that Abed is a bit mental and not just, you know, smart and confident.
xpost

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 10 December 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Wow, you guys are actually studying the logic of this show now?!?!

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 December 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link

I really liked the part where Abed was on top the train and Annie and Troy were helping him get away from the Warlock. It was like a dramatic moment where his friends came to defend him for having Asperger's because there is nothing wrong* with having Asperger's.

I was laughing a lot during this episode. Not because the jokes were abundant or especially funny. But because the "claymation" angle provided levity to everything - and there was so much good in picturing what the other people were actually seeing in the non-claymation world (the script compelled me to picture the real world throughout the whole episode and it was brilliant having to think about both worlds at once).

I especially liked the scene at the end on the train when Pierce opened the door to the front cart and you could see the study room (or whatever) behind him. COOKIES! And then setting the train's speed to 'Bjork' is just a great gag in general.

I also loved all the dialog between Abed and the Wizard/Warlock throughout the whole episode.

ZOUNDS! (CaptainLorax), Friday, 10 December 2010 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, the credits sequence was golden.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 December 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link

End credits, with the tasty looking clay food.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 10 December 2010 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link

my beef with the stop motion was no annies boobs in the episode (and I dont mean the monkey)

strongly recommend. unless you're a bitch (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 10 December 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

episode wasn't very funny, but had some nice moments toward the end. is this now the most twee TV show ever?

get off my lawn (rockapads), Friday, 10 December 2010 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link

watching this again and it's actually better the second time. more affecting actually.

Mordy, Saturday, 11 December 2010 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link

how can you tell when it is affecting?

ZOUNDS! (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 11 December 2010 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link

it effects me?

Mordy, Saturday, 11 December 2010 00:26 (thirteen years ago) link

(affects me? its affect is transmitted to me? whatever)

Mordy, Saturday, 11 December 2010 00:30 (thirteen years ago) link

feeeeeelings, Crazy For Feelings

ZOUNDS! (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 11 December 2010 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link

While I did love it, and intend to watch it again to see if I love it even more, I'm almost beginning to subscribe to the position of Perpetua and other people who think the gimmick eps are becoming too frequent. This season is really lacking a clear narrative arc, and whatever it does have is getting chopped up by one-off episodes (FUNNY one-off episodes, but one-offs nonetheless). The reason "Modern Warfare" was so successful imo is that it took characters that we'd gotten to know well and then ripped them from the "reality" of the show and dropped them in a surreal location. Now, that seems to be the case every three weeks.

I'll shut up now.

Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 11 December 2010 00:54 (thirteen years ago) link

did i miss something, why did they want to kick abed out of school?

the opening credit sequence with abed jumping on cars and then getting tasered by school security was actually happening in real life, presumably.

literally the worst thing that ever happened on this planet (reddening), Saturday, 11 December 2010 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link

cut the non-thematic chatter

j., Saturday, 11 December 2010 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link

less coal, more sugarplums

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Saturday, 11 December 2010 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link

only real problem with this ep (and it is at the conceptual stage) was the lack of actual alison brie and gillian jacobs. honestly can't tell how much my enjoyment of a poor episode of this show would be stifled by bad writing when those two are around.

Gukbe, Saturday, 11 December 2010 06:52 (thirteen years ago) link

^^

JIMMY MOD THE SACK MASTER (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 11 December 2010 07:20 (thirteen years ago) link

This season is really lacking a clear narrative arc, and whatever it does have is getting chopped up by one-off episodes (FUNNY one-off episodes, but one-offs nonetheless)

What's amazing about Community is that these are only one-off episodes stylistically. If you think about it, there's lots of character and plot development going on underneath the jokes - paintball had Jeff and Britta finally hooking up (the kind of thing most sitcoms would make an entire episode ABOUT), we learned a LOT about Abed's background in this Xmas episode. While I think the show could get "Finch dreams the cast of Just Shoot Me are Wizard Of Oz characters" quickly, they've done a phenomenal job tying together wildly disparate styles without reducing each character to mere shtick to do it. This Xmas episode had me lolling constantly and marveling at the way they kept two different planes of reality going at the same time, but also deepened several of characters' relationships to each other (Abed and Britta esp). I've been saying this is my favorite show since Arrested Development, but now I think it's my favorite show since The Simpsons.

da croupier, Saturday, 11 December 2010 11:08 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm guessing the suits who ok'd this hoped they'd make it as ingratiating and superficial as possible, so it could serve as a jumping-on point for the curious. That it was so immersed in the reality of the show and not just blank xmas cheer is so flattering to fans. I love how all these episodes don't feel like attempts to grab a new, larger audience, but see what they can get away with before being canceled.

da croupier, Saturday, 11 December 2010 11:14 (thirteen years ago) link

but to see what they can get away with, rather. and as for "a little disappointed that the writers seem to actually believe that Abed is a bit mental and not just, you know, smart and confident" - this is a guy who's spent every episode acting like he knows they're on a TV show. There are two possibilities here: he either does know he's on a TV show and this show is just a glib meta playhouse, or the character is more than a bit detached emotionally - deciding they're all on a special animated christmas episode when faced with heartbreak is actually not that much of a stretch. Also, if the writers decided he was "just" smart and confident, it probably wouldn't be too long Abed was our Fonz.

da croupier, Saturday, 11 December 2010 11:33 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm almost beginning to subscribe to the position of Perpetua

This way lies madness. It doesn't matter what he's talking about -- he could say the sky is blue and I would know that he's full of shit.

THX THO... (Nicole), Saturday, 11 December 2010 14:00 (thirteen years ago) link

da croup otm

kanellos (gbx), Saturday, 11 December 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm not going too far down that path. xp

Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 11 December 2010 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link

abed is abed. stop psychoanalyzing him for serious
seeing tons of people agree on "smart and confident" was already a stretch
particularly because he doesn't always seem smart and confident at all

ZOUNDS! (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 11 December 2010 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm not even sure why the word "confident" got picked out as one of the first 2 words people use to describe Abed's personality. Surely there are more evident adjectives that could have been used

ZOUNDS! (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 11 December 2010 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't want any "clear narrative arcs", that shit has ruined more funny sitcoms than Ted McGinley joining the cast.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 11 December 2010 19:10 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm not looking for Ross & Rachel. I just wanted it to be more grounded in some sense.

Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 11 December 2010 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Dan Harmon hinted a while back that we'll get to see Annie and Troy in high school this season, which could be fun.

Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 11 December 2010 19:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I love that this show isnt all *higher story arc* and is just people hanging. The premise, if not the execution, is based around real life characters and real life happens in fits & starts. That said, if it gets 25% more Ross & Rachel to survive the chop, I think we'd all be cool with that.

irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 11 December 2010 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Just noticed that whenever wizard Duncan leaves planet Abed, you can see parts of the study room.

phantompenguin, Saturday, 11 December 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link

This show is so good about attention to detail.

phantompenguin, Saturday, 11 December 2010 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm not even sure why the word "confident" got picked out as one of the first 2 words people use to describe Abed's personality.

prob stemming back from abed's own self-description in the pool table episode, when he pointed out that he does fine with the ladies and meanwhile he's willing to do things his friends want him to, because he's already comfortably grounded in who he really is.

literally the worst thing that ever happened on this planet (reddening), Saturday, 11 December 2010 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link

also

abed is abed. stop psychoanalyzing him for serious

come on man u are on ilx

literally the worst thing that ever happened on this planet (reddening), Saturday, 11 December 2010 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link

da croupier OTMFM

And while I understand resistance to "psychoanalyzing" (though I don't think that's really what's happening) TV characters, in the abstract, sure, it would seem silly to delve into the layered backstory of whoever the fuck Sheen's character is on Douche And A Half Men; but I can't think of a recent sitcom character that lends himself so intriguingly to such questions as Abed does. A stop-motion animated Christmas episode is really the only logical step for his character.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 11 December 2010 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link

the opening credit sequence with abed jumping on cars and then getting tasered by school security was actually happening in real life, presumably.

Yeah, this clicked the second time through.

this is a guy who's spent every episode acting like he knows they're on a TV show. There are two possibilities here: he either does know he's on a TV show and this show is just a glib meta playhouse, or the character is more than a bit detached emotionally

I always took the first interpretation (and so he seemed smarter than the other characters) but yours is probably more tenable now.

Otherwise, da croupier OTM about everything.

xpost Tbh, I think that by just interpreting Abed (until now) as slightly eccentric but mostly smart and self-confident, I was psychoanalysing him less than people who labelled his as having Asperger's (based mainly on something Jeff said in frustration in pilot, I'm guessing).

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 December 2010 22:57 (thirteen years ago) link

"labelled him"

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 December 2010 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link

"in the pilot"

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 December 2010 23:04 (thirteen years ago) link

da croupier OTMFM

And while I understand resistance to "psychoanalyzing" (though I don't think that's really what's happening) TV characters, in the abstract, sure, it would seem silly to delve into the layered backstory of whoever the fuck Sheen's character is on Douche And A Half Men; but I can't think of a recent sitcom character that lends himself so intriguingly to such questions as Abed does. A stop-motion animated Christmas episode is really the only logical step for his character.

but the moral of the christmas episode is to not psychoanalyze abed. it will turn you into a warlock

ZOUNDS! (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 11 December 2010 23:33 (thirteen years ago) link

you don't know the meaning of at least five words in that sentence.

balls, Saturday, 11 December 2010 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link

geez, now you are going to psychoanalyze me. why can't we leave my point the way it is

ZOUNDS! (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 11 December 2010 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link

OK, watching the third time, Abed's character makes mores sense. He does actually seem a bit self-aware of what's going on, referring to the journey as one through the 'wonderland in [his] mind'.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 12 December 2010 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link

the hugeness of jeffs head was the thing that made me lol the most. it was huge. (also made me think of turtle's theory of why vincest chase was famous (he has a big head) which made me lol even more.)

irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 12 December 2010 08:01 (thirteen years ago) link

This season is really lacking a clear narrative arc, and whatever it does have is getting chopped up by one-off episodes (FUNNY one-off episodes, but one-offs nonetheless)

What's amazing about Community is that these are only one-off episodes stylistically. If you think about it, there's lots of character and plot development going on underneath the jokes - paintball had Jeff and Britta finally hooking up (the kind of thing most sitcoms would make an entire episode ABOUT), we learned a LOT about Abed's background in this Xmas episode. While I think the show could get "Finch dreams the cast of Just Shoot Me are Wizard Of Oz characters" quickly, they've done a phenomenal job tying together wildly disparate styles without reducing each character to mere shtick to do it. This Xmas episode had me lolling constantly and marveling at the way they kept two different planes of reality going at the same time, but also deepened several of characters' relationships to each other (Abed and Britta esp). I've been saying this is my favorite show since Arrested Development, but now I think it's my favorite show since The Simpsons.

― da croupier, Saturday, December 11, 2010 6:08 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

yeah they've done the one-offs beautifully imo and part of if it is that when shows wait til like season 6 to do this kind of thing, it feels like the writers are just bored and trying to shake things up, here it feels like Community is just raising the stakes and broadening the parameters of what their show can do very early on, whether it's just because they don't know how long they'll be on the air or if they think things like this will help them gain an audience or if they just don't give a fuck and are having fun, it's exciting.

some dude, Sunday, 12 December 2010 16:03 (thirteen years ago) link

loved teddypierce

some dude, Monday, 13 December 2010 02:50 (thirteen years ago) link

chevy chase has always been great at falling

Mordy, Monday, 13 December 2010 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link

There was something about Chevy's delivery on this episode that made him seem more...I dunno...compassionate than in most other episodes. Even if he was only along for the cookies.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 13 December 2010 05:38 (thirteen years ago) link

teddypierce <3

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Monday, 13 December 2010 05:50 (thirteen years ago) link

I think after 30 years of him acting like a smug wiseass on TV and in movies, your brain interprets anything coming out of his mouth that way. When he is in bear form, his humanity is revealed.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 13 December 2010 05:54 (thirteen years ago) link

sounds plausible enough

unemployed aerosmith fans I have shoved (bernard snowy), Monday, 13 December 2010 06:32 (thirteen years ago) link

agreed

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Monday, 13 December 2010 06:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Ditto.

I didn't pay attention to Community for the first half of last season because of Chase's involvement. And I don't know if he's unknowingly playing himself as an asshole -- like Jerry Lewis in The King Of Comedy, or Alan Alda in Crimes & Misdemeanors, or Jack Black in the Community episode he was in -- but it works.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 13 December 2010 06:49 (thirteen years ago) link

What were the notches on the train controller between 'Aloof' and 'Bjork'?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 13 December 2010 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link

"Aloof-Detached-Distant-Bjork"

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 13 December 2010 15:11 (thirteen years ago) link

poor episode, feel let down by this show, which has got self-indulgent (and emo) very fast

only this ep wasn't fast, it was at half-speed

ohhhh we plop champagne (history mayne), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 00:12 (thirteen years ago) link

For a show that is "emo" there is a lack of lovey dovey stuff going on compared to Friends or whatever and nothing apallingly emo going on so I disagree with the "emo" label

ZOUNDS? (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link

idk i think the show has always had a sappiness/emo element to it, i seem to remember complaining on this very thread about some of the "moral of the story is" endings of S1 episodes. i'm used to it at this point, it doesn't detract from the other 9/10ths of the show that's mostly dark humor.

literally the worst thing that ever happened on this planet (reddening), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link

The emo label is only used to describe bad things. I prefer Mordy's robotic usage of the word "affecting" in this case

ZOUNDS? (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 23:50 (thirteen years ago) link

robotic!?

Mordy, Thursday, 16 December 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link

(interrobang!?)

Mordy, Thursday, 16 December 2010 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link

idk i think the show has always had a sappiness/emo element to it, i seem to remember complaining on this very thread about some of the "moral of the story is" endings of S1 episodes.

For serious! What show were you guys watching for the last season and a half?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 16 December 2010 02:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Wait, Mordy's a robot?

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Thursday, 16 December 2010 02:44 (thirteen years ago) link

That's interesting about what you said about me being a robot. Tell me more?

Mordy, Thursday, 16 December 2010 02:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Because Mordy if you are a robot then this adds a whole new level to WDYLL. That front panel is coming OFF. :)

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Thursday, 16 December 2010 02:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Aw man. I just IM'd Smarterchild for the first time in like six-seven years and apparently he's been retired!

Mordy, Thursday, 16 December 2010 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link

they replaced him with Smordychild

some dude, Thursday, 16 December 2010 03:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Just finished this. The Lost joke was awesome, since it was:

1) funny

2) true to life (we all know what happened and can agree to the sentiment)

3) true to the character (Abed would think in these terms)

The 3rd bit is the most crucial, I think, b/c perhaps one of the greatest strengths about the show is that all the gags and jokes and pop-culture refs function as a way to reveal truth about the character. Even more than the Simpsons or South Park or (of course) Family Guy ever could do, all the pop culture refs serve as a means to both be funny but more importantly backstop the character. Having the former is meaningless without the latter, which I think Dan Harmon has mentioned at some point.

also: enjoyed the fact that claymation Pierce is still in his wheelchair

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Thursday, 16 December 2010 04:12 (thirteen years ago) link

That's interesting about what you said about me being a robot. Tell me more?
― Mordy, Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:46 AM (2 hours ago)

It goes back to this post by you:

watching this again and it's actually better the second time. more affecting actually
― Mordy, Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:07 AM (5 days ago) (link to upthread)

(I prodded you about your word choice in that link - "CL: how can you tell it's affecting" - "Mordy: it affects me")

Anyways, the reason I found your word choice so funny and robotic is because
a.) I never heard anyone call a TV show affecting before
b.) Actually, I never hear people calling anything affecting (if not people then...)
c.) You used an incomplete sentence. Reminiscent of "Mission Accomplished. Robot use turn signal. Destroy"
d.) That incomplete sentence ended with a period. When someone ends short text messages with a period I often picture that person with a dead serious expression on their face (or disgruntled - depending on the context - whatever.)
e.) "affecting" and "it [a]ffects me" has to be the best way to avoid telling people how you feel about something
f.) Just now when I typed "affecting" into google to check the definition the first definition that popped up is:

affecting - present participle of af·fect (Verb)
1. Pretend to have or feel (something): "as usual I affected a supreme unconcern".
2...

Help! I'm a bug (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 16 December 2010 05:30 (thirteen years ago) link

oops, I'm missing the period at the end of Mordy's second quote which directly relates to point d.)

Help! I'm a bug (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 16 December 2010 05:33 (thirteen years ago) link

MISTRIAL!

Kerm, Thursday, 16 December 2010 05:56 (thirteen years ago) link

merriam-webster says the definition of affecting is "evoking a strong emotional response," which is how i took mordy to mean it. it doesn't seem robotic to me, just another way of saying "it moved me."

illiterate and hateful, as expected (reddening), Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, this. I mean, geez...look up movie reviews for any weepy drama from the past 20 years and you'll find "affecting" bandied about pretty frequently.

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Bummed that Mordy's not a robot.

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Thursday, 16 December 2010 06:12 (thirteen years ago) link

this show's always been as corny as modern fam

hey DARSH (cozen), Thursday, 16 December 2010 08:10 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah but... this ep sucked. that's all there is really. it's kind of an 'interesting experiment', but would i want a live action 'family guy'? that's a no (except for mila kunis amirite guys). the delivery of lines was poor, and the animated figures were --hey, wordplay coming up -- less *animated* than their irl equivalents.

ohhhh we plop champagne (history mayne), Thursday, 16 December 2010 09:22 (thirteen years ago) link

see i don't disagree with either of those criticisms, but i still really liked the episode. i could see maybe being let down after anticipating a more thorough rendering of the show -- the characters looking more precise, accommodating a faster pace of dialogue, etc. -- but this episode still had good joeks and character-building moments that felt real (humanizing pierce a little more, the annie/troy/abed friendship-via-capers that we saw in the lawyer episode). and part of it was just the "oh man they're having a chase scene on top of a train, this looks so awesome" factor.

"somewhere, tim burton just got a boner."

illiterate and hateful, as expected (reddening), Thursday, 16 December 2010 09:38 (thirteen years ago) link

'it affects me' is a complete sentence!

Mordy, Thursday, 16 December 2010 12:15 (thirteen years ago) link

d.) That incomplete sentence ended with a period. When someone ends short text messages with a period I often picture that person with a dead serious expression on their face (or disgruntled - depending on the context - whatever.)

lol we're really learning about the bizarre inner workings of lorax's mind more than mordy's or anyone else's

some dude, Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:32 (thirteen years ago) link

can we have a seperate community thread for all the drips who hate fun and love to harsh mellows and are desperate to be the first off the bus, pls?

Babylon and zing (stevie), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link

it's the emo that's drippy, son

ohhhh we plop champagne (history mayne), Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link

imo this show isn't at all over-the-line with PLEASE CARE ABOUT THIS LOVE TRIANGLE type Office/Parks & Recreation shit and has balanced the little bits of sentiment and emotion with the comedy really well.

some dude, Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link

history mayne should probably just stick to the safe, emo-free climes of adult swim

da croupier, Thursday, 16 December 2010 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link

'it affects me' is a complete sentence!

― Mordy, Thursday, December 16, 2010 12:15 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah but not "more affecting actually."

unemployed aerosmith fans I have shoved (bernard snowy), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:04 (thirteen years ago) link

how does the killfile work again

kanellos (gbx), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link

when writing conversationally, you are allowed to use sentence fragments. ffs

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:22 (thirteen years ago) link

whatever, s1ockbot5000.

some dude, Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link

^ sentence fragment http://www.olbermannwatch.com/DrudgeSiren.gif

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm pretty sure Webster's decided last year that "whatever" now functions as a complete sentence.

some dude, Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:31 (thirteen years ago) link

i guess if you define it as a verb

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link

What is the subject and ever is the predicate. What did what do? Ever.

Mordy, Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Whatever voted most irritating word in poll

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:42 (thirteen years ago) link

pretty sure it's a verb

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link

1. interrog. An emphatic extension of what, used in a question (direct or indirect), implying perplexity or surprise. Now colloq.

b. adj.

2. As nominal relative, in a generalized or indefinite sense: see ever adv. 8e (Occas. with correlative demonstrative following.)

a. pron. Anything at all which, anything that; sometimes contextually (esp. poet.), all that, everything that.
b. adj. (sing. or pl., of things or persons): Any‥at all which (or who), any‥that; sometimes (poet.), all or every‥that.

3. Introducing a qualifying subord. clause equivalent to a conditional or disjunctive clause, often with verb in subjunctive ( whatever happen = ‘if any (sort of) thing happen’, ‘whether one thing or another happen’).

a. pron. = ‘No matter what’; frequently implying opposition (equivalent to a conditional clause with though): = ‘Notwithstanding anything that’.
b. adj. = ‘No matter what‥’; often implying opposition: = ‘Notwithstanding any‥that’.
c. adv. Whatever may be the case, at all events. dial. (and colloq.).

4. As indefinite adj. or pron., with loss of the relative force: cf. what.

a. adj. (sing. or pl., of things or persons); Any‥at all.

(a) preceding the n.: cf. what 9c.Obs. or merged in the elliptical use under 3b.
(b) following the n.: usually, now only, after any, no, all (anything, nothing), etc., which it qualifies like an adv. = ‘at all’: cf. ever adv. 8.

b. pron. Anything at all: cf. what 1.rare.
c. or whatever: used after a noun (or nouns) to suggest that some other unspecified term might be employed instead, as being more usual, preferable for any reason, or more applicable; or something similar; or the like. colloq.
d. Similarly replacing other parts of speech.

n. Substituted for a word, name, title, or category which is not known or cannot be recalled; chiefly used as a perfunctory designation of anything a speaker is reluctant or unable to describe specifically.

a. In phrases, as whatever-it-is, whatever-you-call-it, etc.
b. Chiefly in pl.

Mordy, Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link

I believe the full sentence 'whatever' is the 3c definition, and here is the OED's history of word use for that definition:

1870 Barber Forness Folk 15, I cuddent leave t' pleass whativver wi'out seein' her.
1900 ‘A. Raine’ Garthowen 93 She's got a tidy pair of ankles, whatever.
1933 ‘R. Connor’ Girl from Glengarry 120, I am doing my utmost whatever.
1960 R. Williams Border Country i. ii. 58 What do it matter it's down?‥ He is Will whatever.
1962 Amer. N. & Q. I. 15/1 Whatever, from the early 1700s to the present day‥it was the musical that struck root as an indigenous form.
1980 New Musical Express 12 Jan. 33/1 Whatever, the myth looks momentous in its sleek new American threads.

Mordy, Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:56 (thirteen years ago) link

did i seriously incite an actual debate about the word "whatever" with my throwaway joke? R.I.P. cool laid back thread about funny comedy show

some dude, Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link

im just talking shit personally

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 16 December 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link

i guess i just inadvertently activated Mordytron's dictionary app

some dude, Thursday, 16 December 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link

She's got a tidy pair of ankles, whatever.

Mordy, Thursday, 16 December 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link

(Re: Alison Brie)

Mordy, Thursday, 16 December 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link

@AnniesAnkles available as twitter handle

some dude, Thursday, 16 December 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link

seriously dude, I have a friend that only says "whatever" when I say I don't want to hang out or talk on the phone. the word has taken on such disgruntled connotations for me that I will never see it as laid back 90's slang again

but back to gnawing alison brie's ankles

more affecting actually. (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 16 December 2010 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link

i think we all should raid community twitters until one of us is mentioned on the show

more affecting actually. (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 16 December 2010 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link

this thread is becoming a fascinating catalog of lorax's telecommunications-related neuroses

some dude, Thursday, 16 December 2010 19:50 (thirteen years ago) link

x-post

@AnniesBoobs already taken.

nickn, Thursday, 16 December 2010 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

okay, I figured out how to use twitter and I just harassed Dan Harmon. let's hope he lets me be on the show now

more affecting actually. (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 16 December 2010 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link

GillianJacobs Chevy gave us all cat urine detectors for the Holidays. No joke.

HA!

Lightning Is For Babies (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 16 December 2010 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link

okay, I figured out how to use twitter and I just harassed Dan Harmon. let's hope he lets me be on the show now

― more affecting actually. (CaptainLorax), Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:26 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark

wonder if this is a joeks

history mayne should probably just stick to the safe, emo-free climes of adult swim

― da croupier, Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:59 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark

ehh i like HIMYM, that's pretty emo isn't it?

anyway i have liked some of this series

this thread is becoming a fascinating catalog of lorax's telecommunications-related neuroses

― some dude, Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:50 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

sloooow news day

ohhhh we plop champagne (history mayne), Thursday, 16 December 2010 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link

not that "emo" is ever really a weighty term to be used in a particular proper way, but i feel like you're just throwing it around to the point of meaninglessness. maybe be more precise about whether you don't like the relationship stuff or the mopey 'profound' moments or something?

some dude, Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link

I didn't really like this episode. I like the actors, I like to see them playing those characters. Whoever said upthread that you wouldn't want to watch a live action Family Guy was right.

trishyb, Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:21 (thirteen years ago) link

think abed is the problem for me, most of this season, being meta about the meta, and in this case turning into... id even k what, but it seemed emo to me

it was mostly the execution with this particular ep, but mean, i don't care if annie 'grows as a person' either, and i don't mind if they reveal that shirley had a drinking problem as a throwaway gag. it's a g-d sitcom and at its best when, um cartoony, except not literally. as for being meta and then getting hung about it -- include me out.

ohhhh we plop champagne (history mayne), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link

'hung up'

ohhhh we plop champagne (history mayne), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link

"being meta about meta" has been Abed's thing since day 1, not really any more this season than last (although the best use of it was in the messiah movie episode).

some dude, Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link

he's not hung up about the meta he's a meta-crazed guy who misses his mom

da croupier, Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link

This thread is affecting me in a negative way

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link

that's bc you're a robot

Mordy, Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link

YESSS

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Takes one to know one, Mordytron

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I. Am. Vegetron. How. May. I. Help. You.

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link

the messiah episide was the worst episode!

idk abed's thing has become more grating for me, reaching a nadir when shirley said 'meta'; and this ep seemed to be, in the end, for me, trying to 'explain' it, but not in a funny way (that's the only part that matters)

xpost

ohhhh we plop champagne (history mayne), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Are you sure you're not a robot, HM?

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link

i am a stabbing robot [via 30 rock]

ohhhh we plop champagne (history mayne), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

idk abed's thing has become more grating for me, reaching a nadir when shirley said 'meta';

you were pissed off at the show for acknowledging how older people sometimes aren't sure they're using a buzzword correctly (a buzzword that undoubtedly would be tossed around in re: abed by the other characters)?

da croupier, Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

i dunno if 'meta' has that much currency, but ehh it felt like playing to the twitter-gallery.

ohhhh we plop champagne (history mayne), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link

who should they be playing to?

da croupier, Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

"ugh, observational humor about generational differences---how pandering! i expect so much more from NBC"

da croupier, Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link

i love this show but some of you are getting a little overdefensive here. history mayne's right that it can way be too sappy, and the sappiness is really uneven from episode to episode - some eps are just joke-a-thons and others are all feeeeeeelings and it would be nice to see them get a good mix of both in all the episodes. but ultimately i just want them to be funny.

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:45 (thirteen years ago) link

the episodes do vary wildly in tone, but i dunno what sitcoms people are watching where this show doesn't qualify as a daring but reliable, audience-intelligene-respecting jokeathon. So if you ignore this to make incoherent complaints about "emo" you might be asked to pin those down.

da croupier, Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link

it's hardly reliable! you just agreed that it varies wildly in tone!

anyways you can love something but still admit that it has flaws. this is one of my favorite shows on right now but it's hardly perfect.

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link

huh, two "hardly"s, something freudian going on there

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link

i said it's reliably funny. even the episodes that contain feeeeelings are also smart with a shit-ton of jokes.

also anybody acting like Abed's shtick is getting tiresome better not still be repping for HIMYM.

da croupier, Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link

haaaaaaa

Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link

i dunno if 'meta' has that much currency, but ehh it felt like playing to the twitter-gallery.

tbh, this entire show plays to that gallery

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link

this weeks's HIMYM was funny and last week's community wasn't -- there weren't many jokes so far as i'm concerned. or to put it another way, HIMYM has done things looking at why barney is barney without being wack, community failed that test. of course there've been less-funny HIMYM eps, but not *as* less-funny.

still like community -- liked the ep in the bar the other week

ohhhh we plop champagne (history mayne), Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link

People who are tired of Abed's shtick, I'm curious when you got off board? Did you like it in the bottle episode (with the charts and him being sarcastic + upset)? I didn't really love the Jesus Abed episode, but how about last season when he made the movie about his parents using Britta + Jeff, did you like it there?

Mordy, Thursday, 16 December 2010 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link

"still like community -- liked the ep in the bar the other week"

ha this was one of the sappiest episodes of the season!

"People who are tired of Abed's shtick, I'm curious when you got off board?"

don't you mean 'when did you get off the bus'?

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't mind this show trying to pull at the heart strings a little bit, but I'd stop watching if it devolved into a Friends-like who's-fucking-who soap-com. I do prefer the episodes with the jokes, though. It's a really hot and cold show - seems like they are searching for a winning formula.

and who gives a damn about a tweet?

get off my lawn (rockapads), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Abed is one of the most consistently funny characters on television IMO, and I've been a fan of that actor since his butt-dialing commercial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ2ScWMi1dA

Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link

ha this was one of the sappiest episodes of the season!

my recollections of it are: annie's ludicrous texas accent, abed getting hit on and not knowing it, jeff and britta lols, and shirley being revealed as a former hellraiser and some unfunny pierce shit. what as troy up to? well, almost kissing annie i guess.

ohhhh we plop champagne (history mayne), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Asking why Abed is Abed is sort of like asking why Latka is Latka (Taxi)

The Jesus episode was kind of boring but I like Abed's shtick. Makes for some good jokes. Plus I would hang out with him and Troy in real life

more affecting actually. (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:03 (thirteen years ago) link

britta the failed hipster is probably my 'fave character' on this show

Asking why Abed is Abed is sort of like asking why Latka is Latka (Taxi)

EXACTLY -- that's why i don't want an ep about abed

ohhhh we plop champagne (history mayne), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link

have we done a community character's poll?

Mordy, Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:04 (thirteen years ago) link

I think they're all amazing characters, which is something I never thought I'd say after my first viewing of the pilot.

Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link

himym is not emo it is garbage, but i have said this already

this guy ☜ (stevie), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link

is this (/any american tv) on any time soon? or does obligatory christmas episodes mean the end for a while?

irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i think pretty much every show ran its Xmas episode last week or earlier and won't have anything new til january

some dude, Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link

HIMYM has done things looking at why barney is barney without being wack, community failed that test. of course there've been less-funny HIMYM eps, but not *as* less-funny.

ahhh, "wack." thank you for clarifying.

da croupier, Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link

also there hasn't remotely been any kind of Origin Story of Abed like there's been for Barney

some dude, Thursday, 16 December 2010 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link

anyhow, the risk of wackness aside, I hope they never find that "winning formula" - there are networks worth of shows with catchphrases, repetitive formats and quirky supporting characters who dominate every episode. I'm really grateful for a show that leaves you wondering what the next episode will be like, deepening characters while going whole-hog into genre parodies. I can see how that isn't necessarily what people go for in a sitcom, but I think that's what makes it exceptional.

da croupier, Thursday, 16 December 2010 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link

there are networks worth of shows with catchphrases, repetitive formats and quirky supporting characters who dominate every episode.

wait-a-second

community, in it short life, has repeated the 'jeff realizes he isn't too cool for school' plot more than a couple of times -- say what you like about HIMYM but it's not repetitive (ok, there are a few 'ted's new date is a disaster!1!!' eps but still), the narrative style they use is pretty unusual

imo abed is becoming 'that quirky supporting character'

ok, no catchphrases, but sometimes not enough jokes either

i agree it can be amazing

ohhhh we plop champagne (history mayne), Thursday, 16 December 2010 23:15 (thirteen years ago) link

I didn't say "community is less repetitive than HIMYM" - a show I enjoyed for years in part because of its eccentricity before they ran out of plots and became a shrill burlesque of itself - though if you're going to complain that Community is all over the map you don't get to call it repetitive too.

and yeah, abed is clearly its potential fonz, but he's nowhere as far down that path as barney.

da croupier, Thursday, 16 December 2010 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Abed is hardly Kramer or anything, he's as often the straight man or voice of reason in a scene as he is the crazy one

some dude, Friday, 17 December 2010 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link

this thread kinda needs an abed

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 17 December 2010 00:25 (thirteen years ago) link

this thread needs an enema

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Friday, 17 December 2010 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link

this thread kind of needs a bed

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 17 December 2010 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link

to go to sleep in

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 17 December 2010 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link

hee hee

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Friday, 17 December 2010 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link

PERMANENTLY

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 17 December 2010 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link

or a til-January hiatus

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Friday, 17 December 2010 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link

ok, no catchphrases, but sometimes not enough jokes either

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVZsARKywBc

irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Friday, 17 December 2010 09:34 (thirteen years ago) link

ok i assumed that clip would just be 2 minutes of "thats nice"

irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Friday, 17 December 2010 09:36 (thirteen years ago) link

it does however prove why community is by far the best show currently on television

irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Friday, 17 December 2010 09:37 (thirteen years ago) link

<3

Square-Panted Sponge Robert (VegemiteGrrrl), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:23 (thirteen years ago) link

watched the Claymation episode OnDemand last night; I thought it did a good job of translating the Community sense of humor into the heartwarming Christmas story framework

also the baseline concept for the episode was fucking great

Storytelling-wise, I can't think of another show in the past 10 years that has been this ambitious.

Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link

(at least)

Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:26 (thirteen years ago) link

DAN DON'T YOU KNOW THAT EVERY TV SHOW CREATOR HAS AMBITION AND THUS YOU CAN'T USE IT TO JUDGE THE QUALITY OF A TV SHOW!?!?!?!

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link

sorry, carryover from the Kanye thread

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:28 (thirteen years ago) link

lol

Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Storytelling-wise, I can't think of another show in the past 10 years that has been this ambitious.

― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:26 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

could have never happened without whedon giving buffy a new sister, or making a silent movie episode or the episode of angel where they turned into puppets

irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link

although I think there have been plenty of more ambitious shows in the past 10 years, the problem is that most of them have been bad or failed to live up to their ambition (LOST for example)

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link

was buffy in the past 10 years? when did they stop making it?

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:30 (thirteen years ago) link

2003

irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link

oh right, Whedon

Yeah he was also super-ambitious but he also had the advantage of working with a storytelling framework that allowed for random supernatural shit left and right; the direct lineage to comic book tropes lessened a lot of the impact of the stories he told for me (plus overall I didn't connect with or care about the characters if I wasn't actively watching the show; I would enjoy it while it was on, but once the episode ended I think the only time I ever wanted to tune into the next one was the season where Willow lost her shit and pulled that dude's skin off, and that desire lasted 5 minutes).

I'd argue that LOST's ambition was more in production scope than in storytelling; that was an attempt to do labyrinthine comic-book stories in a television drama (again, comic book familiarity hurts the show's scope for me) as opposed to what's happening in Community, which is a series of genre pastiches that weave into an overarching narrative re: the characters and their relationships.

Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:36 (thirteen years ago) link

himym is super ambitious in its narrative structure(s)! esp considering its not one-camera

max, Friday, 17 December 2010 17:41 (thirteen years ago) link

not the same kind of 'ambition' as community but no less ambitious

max, Friday, 17 December 2010 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link

I never actually said it was as ambitious Dan, just that Community wouldn't be able to do what it does so well without Buffy in the first place.

irish xmas caek, get that marzipan inta ya (a hoy hoy), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Well, more like it wouldn't have been given a chance without Buffy IMO.

I haven't watched that many episodes of HIMYM because I don't think it's funny so I can't really remark on how it tells stories. I do know that the episodes I've seen have basically been sub-"Friends" with a reverse "Wonder Years" narrator; I'm willing to believe the show is more than that, but I haven't seen it.

Well, actually the microdate with Sarah Chalke was awesome and clever, and the whole thing that spun out of that with the movie written about Ted was great, so I do see where the show is doing shit that is above and beyond; my problem is that most of the time I don't think it's funny.

Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:48 (thirteen years ago) link

its ok if you dont find it funny i wont be mad

max, Friday, 17 December 2010 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link

wait what's so ambitious about himym? i've seen two episodes and thought it was just NPH braggin about straight sex (~irony~) with a lovable doofus and his girlfriend from american pie

kanellos (gbx), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:53 (thirteen years ago) link

It's the ongoing narrative; the central conceit of the show is that it's an older dude reminiscing to his kids about his life as a young(ish) man in NYC, his circle of friends, and the events that led him to meet their mother. Some of the stuff they do to advance that overarching story is actually quite cool but you won't really see it without watching a series of episodes (and even then, you have to catch the right ones).

Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link

well the entire narrative arc of the show is pretty interesting/ambitious--a multi-camera sitcom told entirely in flashbacks w/ a definitive endpoint being constantly deferred--but tons of episodes (in s2/s3 it felt like nearly every episode but its less frequently now) the narrative structures of each individual episode are done in pretty "ambitious" (i feel weird about this word but since were using it) ways--flashbacks w/in each episode, trick reveals that change the nature of the story, chronological, uh, weirdness

xp dan is right but i think the single episode narratives are just as ambitious as the big overarching story

max, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link

ha that feeds into my "have to catch the right episode" point; I've seen some funny fantasy sequences but nothing I thought especially remarkable

Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:02 (thirteen years ago) link

i guess this is all driven by their script director and theres a whole word they use on set for the narrative trickery

max, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i mean if you dont find it funny the other stuff wont convince you

max, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:03 (thirteen years ago) link

I'd argue that LOST's ambition was more in production scope than in storytelling; that was an attempt to do labyrinthine comic-book stories in a television drama (again, comic book familiarity hurts the show's scope for me) as opposed to what's happening in Community, which is a series of genre pastiches that weave into an overarching narrative re: the characters and their relationships.

― Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, December 17, 2010 12:36 PM (26 minutes ago) Bookmark

i dunno, the way the show had no status quo at all was pretty amazing - i mean ffs one of the seasons was set in the 70s! that's ambitious.

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link

sure, but compare that to, for example, the last season of Roseanne (or really, the way that show changed from season to season, and the way it ended)

Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah Community is totally ambitious by sitcom standards, as is HIMYM.

some dude, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link

(again, I'm not saying LOST wasn't massive in scope, it just happened to be massive in scope in a way I'd seen before and was slightly less impressive as a result)

Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link

enh, i think LOST was ambitious not just because of the scope, or the narrative weirdness, but because it was a show, marketed to mainstream america, that was like a comic book/sci-fi/soap opera/action movie fever dream. shows like that are usually obsesso backwaters like star trek and dr who and the finale was a fucking national TV event

kanellos (gbx), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:15 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah Lost was definitely ambitious in storytelling AND production scope, but probably more in the latter. you knew it was going to be a big deal from the pilot on out, whereas Community's been growing the beard gradually.

some dude, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah I am underselling LOST somewhat, partially because the ending was a letdown

Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 18:26 (thirteen years ago) link

i hate lost

max, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah probably best to leave Lost alone...Abed said it all.

some dude, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:31 (thirteen years ago) link

growing the beard! my favorite of television tropes!

Mordy, Friday, 17 December 2010 18:32 (thirteen years ago) link

totally missed "I'm so sick of the dean jamming his PCness down my throat" first time round

sugg knight (cozen), Friday, 17 December 2010 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link

max otm, about himym. this is what i was trying to say last night. even this week's episode of an allegedly fallen-off show (it's still funny 'actually') was quite unusually put together. i mean 'quite' the way americans mean 'quite'.

indian food 3: electric tandoori (history mayne), Friday, 17 December 2010 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link

well yeah seems kinda silly arguing whether himym and community are "unusual" or not in a world with according to jim or whatever

sonderangerbot, Friday, 17 December 2010 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link

according to jim went off the air two seasons ago, technically we're living in a post-according to jim world

hey young ppl world (some dude), Friday, 17 December 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link

we're living in a "Rules of Engagement" world

Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link

never forget

max, Friday, 17 December 2010 21:10 (thirteen years ago) link

@danharmon you're the twitting twat sniffing twink snarfer. make an show where Troy gets ashamed of gay around Abed. Pierce tries to be Troy

he didn't reply.
screw this twitter thing

more affecting actually. (CaptainLorax), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:19 (thirteen years ago) link

okay that made me lol harder than anything else I've read on ILX today

Tina Tina Cheneuse (DJP), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:20 (thirteen years ago) link

hahahahaha

hey young ppl world (some dude), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link

that is truly streets ahead

hey young ppl world (some dude), Friday, 17 December 2010 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link

dying

max, Friday, 17 December 2010 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

just caught up on last 2 eps. was that paul f. tompkins as the farscape/gay dude? the animation episode was awesome, i wonder what the budget is for something like that

am0n, Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:12 (thirteen years ago) link

yes re pft

basically just a 2/47 freak out (sic), Sunday, 9 January 2011 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link

just caught up on last 2 eps. was that paul f. tompkins as the farscape/gay dude? the animation episode was awesome, i wonder what the budget is for something like that

Seriously, the way they're able to wrench cash out of NBC's cold, dead hands for a consistently low-rated series is kind of remarkable. I mean, "Layla" in the mob movie episode? Shit ain't cheap.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 10 January 2011 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link

i dunno...i'm sure one-offs are more costly per episode than if that was what they did every week, but it's not like the stop motion shows on Adult Swim have huge budgets. and pop music licensing is something most network shows shell out cash for constantly.

some dude, Monday, 10 January 2011 01:03 (thirteen years ago) link

got the s1 dvd for xmas, the out-takes are wonderful, esp troy & abed...

chev rivera (stevie), Monday, 10 January 2011 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link

on 2nd viewing i really do love the bar episode

some dude, Friday, 14 January 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link

haha. i watched the two rerun episodes tonight too. they were both great. zombies + bar episodes.

Mordy, Friday, 14 January 2011 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link

I think they were positioned as opposite ends of the spectrum for any potential new viewers. Begin with the over-the-top crowd pleaser, close with the quiet character piece and watch how we pull both off with ease.

I can't wait to understand these arguments! (R Baez), Friday, 14 January 2011 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link

^^ agree that that's how they came off, but apparently they were going to show the conspiracy episode instead of the zombie one until the network remembered that the conspiracy one is full of people fake-shooting each other.

there is no turning back in an art game? (reddening), Friday, 14 January 2011 04:59 (thirteen years ago) link

did they show rape episodes of all the cop shows that usually feature murders, too? or one of the occasional 'we handle child abductions too' episodes?

j., Friday, 14 January 2011 05:22 (thirteen years ago) link

idk u would have to check with their showrunner on twitter.

there is no turning back in an art game? (reddening), Friday, 14 January 2011 05:31 (thirteen years ago) link

finally, a direct line to air my grievances

j., Friday, 14 January 2011 05:34 (thirteen years ago) link

malcolm jamal warner is playing shirley's husband!

max, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link

saw Shirley on a Two And A Half Men rerun, first time i've seen her act in anything else

some dude, Wednesday, 19 January 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link

She's done a lot of commercials over the years.

Dr. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 19 January 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link

GUYS GUYS GUYS

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Brown Jamie Lee Curtis

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:08 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm sirius fm

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago) link

looooooool

nice sweater

my dad gave it to me

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 21 January 2011 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link

That was a little on the nose, but still hilarious.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:24 (thirteen years ago) link

TWIST

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 21 January 2011 01:26 (thirteen years ago) link

oh man, for a second there all the shipper bones in my body were crying in happiness

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:27 (thirteen years ago) link

SPOILER FREE

I knew when Jeff was running in the rain that he was going where he was going, because going to that other person would be to cheesy/sentimental even for this show.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link

also, MEZZANINE?!!

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link

so, perfect couples...

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:29 (thirteen years ago) link

what's worse: a terrible single camera sitcom or a terrible multi-camera sitcom? i theorize that the best single camera sitcom is always better than the best multi-camera sitcom, but that even the worst multi-camera sitcom is more tolerable than a bad single camera sitcom.

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link

re: Perfect Couples

I think I've grown to absolutely despise Olivia Munn.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link

is that the waitress from it's always sunny?

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link

it is!!!

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, I knew she was going to be in this (and the other brunette is the pregnant agent from Flash Forward).

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:33 (thirteen years ago) link

This is the pilot, right? It's really trying too hard.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link

probably for the best. i feel like if there was a little less noise this would be even worse

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:40 (thirteen years ago) link

so the one relationship has a tempestuous hate/sex relationship, the other the wife is a controlling shrew, and the third couple is the straight-man?

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Interested to see how this does, because the shows we all hate seem to end up being rather popular with the unwashed masses.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:43 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't know about that. i hated Hank and they cancelled that. also there was that really terrible relationship show recently that i can't even remember the name of that was terrible and swiftly gone

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Is "100 Questions" the worst show in recent history?

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Honey Nut SeriO's

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 21 January 2011 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link

man this show is bad. how do some shows get everything so wrong?

scott seward, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link

not community...

scott seward, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link

they forgot to write joekz

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link

i feel like a laugh track could help this show bc then i'd know which lines i'm supposed to laugh at

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link

there's a couples show on abc inbetween the shows i like on wed. night and its bad like this. both shows have normal scary people as leads. like people from commercials.

scott seward, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link

"does your dead mom's window open or not?" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link

sitcoms made by normal unfunny people. they are so bad.

scott seward, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:50 (thirteen years ago) link

"Everbody Hurts"--NOOOOOOO!

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 January 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link

wow, can they show that much nipple on network television?

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link

so glad that jenna elfman show isn't on anymore. i felt compelled to watch it for some reason. just horrible. i can't watch the william shatner one either.

i must confess i often skip community to watch big bang theory. but i will see all the communities eventually. on one of those nights when they show like six in a row.

scott seward, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm shocked that you find bbt funnier than community, scott. have u seen the bbt w/out laugh track vid that was going around for a bit?

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link

mike and molly is terrible too. poor swoosie kurtz. she deserves so much more in life.

scott seward, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link

i can't help it! i like both of them. big bang theory isn't as good lately. but i still like it.

no i didn't see show without laugh track.

scott seward, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link

they did basically this exact same joke (all the dressed people in the bedroom while one dude is naked) in friends with chandler in a bathtub

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link

xp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmLQaTcViOA

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link

i do like community a lot. liked the bar episode.

scott seward, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Wilco & Feist...

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 January 2011 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link

the "i'm not that cool" speech lifted from brita telling annie "i'm not that cool," this house destruction to feel better scene ripped directly from HIMYM

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link

there has not been a single original moment in this show, and like someone pointed out before, the 3 different couples premise is a direct lift from Better With You

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't think i ever noticed how handsome troy is on community until the bar episode! he is really handsome. i just never looked at him very closely or something.

i didn't know that he had a band called childish gambino either. in real life.

"Glover also refers to himself as Cheezy, Bambino X, Bam-B, Sir Durton Cloud 9, and Ms. Long-Lady Stanhope."

scott seward, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:59 (thirteen years ago) link

cougar town eats this show for breakfast. i love that show. again, i can't help myself. the heart wants what the heart wants.

scott seward, Friday, 21 January 2011 01:59 (thirteen years ago) link

where's a gif of Chang's slow clap?

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 January 2011 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link

i love cougar town too. no shame. see u guys on office thread, 30 rock thread, and parks + rec thread. perfect couples is over. UNTIL NEXT WEEK.

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 02:01 (thirteen years ago) link

I hate everyone on the east coast right now, FYI :(

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 21 January 2011 03:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Eh, we live in the past. You live in THE FUTURE!

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 January 2011 03:29 (thirteen years ago) link

this new lineup really throws a wrench in my torrenting schedule.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:29 (thirteen years ago) link

this new lineup has a hueg deadspot in the middle

Astronaut Mike Dexter (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 21 January 2011 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, they're gonna need to reshuffle these shows.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 January 2011 03:36 (thirteen years ago) link

big bang is hilarious!

max, Friday, 21 January 2011 03:56 (thirteen years ago) link

i like and watch big bang, but community's on a whole different level imo. big bang's plotlines tend toward the dumb/cliche and the characters have felt unappealingly static this season.

i thought tonight's community was a stellar return. "i will shatter your world.

fantasy scene, you can't grow young (reddening), Friday, 21 January 2011 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link

nah sorry i think community is funnier i just felt the need to stand up for tbbt

max, Friday, 21 January 2011 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link

I realized as I was watching Donald Glover's hilarious scene with Malcolm Jamal Warner: Glover was one year old when The Cosby Show debuted. I dunno, that just kind of blew my mind.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 21 January 2011 05:37 (thirteen years ago) link

sometimes I wish tv was just Community & Parks/Rec & 30 Rock

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 21 January 2011 07:23 (thirteen years ago) link

cougar town is p. feh

cozen, Friday, 21 January 2011 07:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Cougar Town is like a progression of Scrubs. Funny, but less...zany?

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 January 2011 08:01 (thirteen years ago) link

I only saw the beginning of last night's (Community) ep, but Brown Jamie Lee Curtis caught me by surprise and I haven't laughed that hard at a tv show in a long time.

franny glass, Friday, 21 January 2011 14:37 (thirteen years ago) link

just saw this on twitter: "Community hit a season high in 18-49 demo vs. Idol/Big Bang Theory"

gosamosapodin simgibmelreel (some dude), Friday, 21 January 2011 16:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Who is this kettle-corn popping phantom?

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 21 January 2011 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Better news: Outsourced hit a season low.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 21 January 2011 19:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Troy & Abed In The Morning particularly awesome this week!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 21 January 2011 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link

How great would it be if Community became the new Friends and went on for like a dozens seasons!! They'll have to figure out why these characters would stick around a Community College for 12 years of course.

Mordy, Friday, 21 January 2011 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link

they all become teachers at a community college.

scott seward, Friday, 21 January 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link

love that John Oliver is getting more of a role

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 21 January 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link

I realized as I was watching Donald Glover's hilarious scene with Malcolm Jamal Warner: Glover was one year old when The Cosby Show debuted. I dunno, that just kind of blew my mind.

― Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:37 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark

also: his cosby sweater!

ullr saves (gbx), Sunday, 23 January 2011 19:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Great episode. Kind of a cheap laugh but Chang's entrance totally destroyed me.

Super Cub, Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link

he's just a master of physical comedy, nothing cheap about that imo

we're on dis innocuous ting that makes you irrationally angry (some dude), Sunday, 23 January 2011 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link

just saw this on twitter: "Community hit a season high in 18-49 demo vs. Idol/Big Bang Theory"

glad to hear this. am loving this show so much and hope it never ends/falls off.

chev rivera (stevie), Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link

fyi, it was a season high for community. they are still doing well below idol/bbt numbers

Mordy, Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah it was a little ambiguously phrased but i don't think anyone who has any concept of how highly rated BBT or Idol is interpreted it that way.

we're on dis innocuous ting that makes you irrationally angry (some dude), Sunday, 23 January 2011 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link

i spell 'kettlecorn' with a q-u

congratulations (n/a), Sunday, 23 January 2011 23:58 (thirteen years ago) link

skot is usually my MOR trad sitcom bro, disappointed to hear he doesn't share my mild affection for Better With You or Mike & Molly

trv kvnt (some dude), Monday, 24 January 2011 02:11 (thirteen years ago) link

i would REALLY like to know what redeeming qualities you find in Better With You! it's in the dictionary under the word generic, etc, etc. i mean, i don't even think its worth trashing cuz its so negligable. want it gone already.

the women on Mike & Molly are fine and i enjoy my hero Swoosie as much as ever, but i kinda can't stand big dude OR his cop sidekick. they really really really turn me off/rub me the wrong way/etc. and they just ain't funny. not even James Burrows can turn this sow's ear into, um, gold cloth or whatever. and he is a genius! he helped make the MTM show, the Bob Newhart Show, Rhoda, Laverne & Shirley, Taxi, The Associates, Cheers, Wings, Frasier, Friends, Newsradio, 3rd Rock From The Sun, Will & Grace, Two And A Half Men, and The Big Bang Theory the fine shows that they are and were. But he also worked on Dear John, Dharma & Greg, Caroline In The City, The Class, Back To You, and Gary Unmarried, and no amount of genius could make those stinkers float. and i put Mike & Molly in the same stinky boat.

scott seward, Monday, 24 January 2011 04:48 (thirteen years ago) link

"negligible" even

scott seward, Monday, 24 January 2011 04:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Better With You - for people who think Modern Family is just too darn edgy! It's OK.

Nhex, Monday, 24 January 2011 04:59 (thirteen years ago) link

So many boobs in this show.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 24 January 2011 07:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Watching the Mafia Movie one. This has to be the best episode of "Community" ever.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 24 January 2011 07:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Found an even older "streets ahead" use on ILM (the Rehabilitaing The Adverts thread).

Kind of agree and disagree! To me they're mid-way between the two categories you've defined. Buzzcocks and Wire are streets ahead of The Adverts and Penetration, who in turn would be well ahead of say, Slaughter and the Dogs or Eater. That's not to say that the one 'fun at the time single' some of those 3rd div drongos released isn't still fantastic fun once in a while.
― Dr. C, Sunday, September 30, 2001 5:00 PM

nickn, Monday, 24 January 2011 08:15 (thirteen years ago) link

"I love you, drugs!"

Johnny Fever, Friday, 28 January 2011 01:19 (thirteen years ago) link

dildopolis

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 28 January 2011 01:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Not necessarily bad, but a little too obv. sitcommy, this one? You could see the premises be set up and labored over.

I can't wait to understand these arguments! (R Baez), Friday, 28 January 2011 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, it was a little broad, but I thought it still brought the lols.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 28 January 2011 02:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Omfg Chang slayed this tonight.

eep opp ork ah ah...and that means suck my dick (San Te), Friday, 28 January 2011 04:31 (thirteen years ago) link

8=>

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 28 January 2011 04:55 (thirteen years ago) link

jeff and britta in cat costumes and sunglasses with heads tilted identically = amazing.

also the "period fairy" which opens up new dimensions of wau in annie's backstory.

just wait and see what happens to her uterus (reddening), Friday, 28 January 2011 05:04 (thirteen years ago) link

jeff and britta in cat costumes and sunglasses with heads tilted identically = amazing.

^^^

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 28 January 2011 05:10 (thirteen years ago) link

thought that was a rather weak episode minus changs love for Johnny Gill.

Cultivating a manly musk puts your opponents on notice (chrisv2010), Friday, 28 January 2011 13:34 (thirteen years ago) link

The Johnny Gill was a v. nice touch.

Peyton Flanders (Nicole), Friday, 28 January 2011 14:08 (thirteen years ago) link

woah

Mordy, Friday, 4 February 2011 01:00 (thirteen years ago) link

jeff, the liar!!!!!

Mordy, Friday, 4 February 2011 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link

annie, the day-planner, herself a recovering headcase!

Mordy, Friday, 4 February 2011 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link

troy, the obtuse!!

Mordy, Friday, 4 February 2011 01:01 (thirteen years ago) link

HOLY SHIT OMG this EPISODE

Mordy, Friday, 4 February 2011 01:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah this is streets ahead thus far.

C-L, Friday, 4 February 2011 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link

i cannot stop laughing

Mordy, Friday, 4 February 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago) link

the people who wrote this episode have played d&d before. i'd say a lot.

Mordy, Friday, 4 February 2011 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Pierce is so evil!

Mordy, Friday, 4 February 2011 01:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Aww, Fat Neil. :(

Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 February 2011 01:22 (thirteen years ago) link

one of the best community episodes ever

Mordy, Friday, 4 February 2011 01:27 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, that was great. I assume it would've been even better for people who know the ins & outs of Dungeons & Dragons.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 February 2011 01:31 (thirteen years ago) link

Best ever. And without wall-to-wall lols. And I know less than shit about D&D.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 4 February 2011 01:45 (thirteen years ago) link

The love scene montage is one of the best silent gags they've ever done.

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 4 February 2011 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah..."three...no four(!) fingers"

Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 February 2011 02:05 (thirteen years ago) link

best episode

just... damn.

cloudy predecessor (Lamp), Friday, 4 February 2011 02:59 (thirteen years ago) link

"He's not that skinny!"
"But he's bald...and he's Black!"
"I prefer not to see the world through that lens!"

i pl0p bombs like hiroshima (San Te), Friday, 4 February 2011 03:47 (thirteen years ago) link

to apparent internet ppl who think that Pierce was too over the top tnite;
1. y do u hate fun
but also 2. i like to think that the group made him this way when they cut his casts off and abed is like, "this is how super villains are made"

Mordy, Friday, 4 February 2011 03:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Pierce was awesome; this episode was legendary; so so so fucking great. Love.

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 4 February 2011 07:45 (thirteen years ago) link

omg omg omg. so great!

also: during the character introductions, britta is yelling "julian assange is a modern-day thomas paine!!"

just wait and see what happens to her uterus (reddening), Friday, 4 February 2011 07:48 (thirteen years ago) link

The love scene montage is one of the best silent gags they've ever done.

― Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 4 February 2011 01:52 (12 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Yeah..."three...no four(!) fingers"

― Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 February 2011 02:05 (12 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

NEED A GIF OF THIS MORE THAN ANYTHING IN LIFE

if there is a King Kenny, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 4 February 2011 14:21 (thirteen years ago) link

^^^

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 4 February 2011 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link

this show is pretty filthy for 7 p.m. CST

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 4 February 2011 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link

abed was great in this episode. "just so you know ... my name is ... kyle"

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 4 February 2011 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link

nice to see him get to stretch his acting muscles a little more

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 4 February 2011 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Great episode. THIS should have been the claymation episode. The episode had a dark and sad undercurrent, especially in the beginning where it seemed like Neil was about to do something pretty drastic (my first thought was suicide). I don't really see how Pierce remains in the group after this, but maybe we can consider it an 'Elseworlds' type episode.

i like to think that the group made him this way when they cut his casts off and abed is like, "this is how super villains are made"

Good point - thanks for that (I laughed just remembering it)

rockapads, Friday, 4 February 2011 17:09 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't think Pierce has really been "in the group" for awhile, except that I guess they tolerate him hanging around (tho on the same note they tolerate Chang hanging around too and he's pretty psychotic). Harmon seems like a deft enough writer that he's not going to totally dismiss the way Pierce has been acting over the last few episodes and I'd be really shocked if he was just "part of the gang" again without some kind of reconciliation. I've said this before but one of the greatest things about this show is how well developed all the relationships and characters are. Sometimes a character doesn't step forward in any given episode but so much of the show's canon + mythos are built on relationships that make sense and have been developed over numerous episodes. Just thinking about how the Annie/Rich/Jeff thing has been developed through the pottery episode, the annie/jeff episodes, the zombie episodes, all to make that kettle corn episode work in a way that made sense and was true to the characters.

Mordy, Friday, 4 February 2011 17:16 (thirteen years ago) link

still waiting on that annie fingers gif

Gukbe, Friday, 4 February 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link

"you're the AT&T of people"

Gukbe, Friday, 4 February 2011 18:07 (thirteen years ago) link

I didn't get that line

rockapads, Friday, 4 February 2011 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Personal favorite:

"I won Dungeons And Dragons - and it was Advanced!

Keep on the good work! (R Baez), Friday, 4 February 2011 18:19 (thirteen years ago) link

"You hump the sword"

i pl0p bombs like hiroshima (San Te), Friday, 4 February 2011 18:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Chang in blackface people
Annie flopping out the endowed

if there is a King Kenny, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 4 February 2011 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link

omg Chang's elf was hilarious. Just watching him speak cracked me up every single time

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 4 February 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link

orchestral theme change with re-drawn credits! I can't imagine the man-hours spent for 20 seconds of gag, but good on you, anonymous production people.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 4 February 2011 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, how cool was that.

VegemiteGrrrl, Friday, 4 February 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link

whenever they change the theme + credits you know you're in for something special (they changed it for the zombie ep too)

Mordy, Friday, 4 February 2011 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link

i want an mp3 of that theme

rockapads, Friday, 4 February 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link

"Are we just gonna ignore this hate crime over here?"

Indolence Mission (DJP), Friday, 4 February 2011 21:39 (thirteen years ago) link

"you remembered to invite al jolson here"

Mordy, Friday, 4 February 2011 21:40 (thirteen years ago) link

still waiting on that annie fingers gif

― Gukbe, Friday, February 4, 2011 11:25 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

goole, Friday, 4 February 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link

From what I remember the funniest parts for me were was when Chang during the intro, Annie's fingers, Britta being Britta, and Pierce at his meanest. Also, Pierce sort of ended up being the nice guy because he ratted out Jeff. Oh, and Troy's comments like "hurrah!" were always good for a laugh.

homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Friday, 4 February 2011 21:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Troy's second huzzah is especially amazing because he kinda looks sad when he says it

Mordy, Friday, 4 February 2011 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Still haven't found an Annie's fingers gif, so I'm downloading last night's show and making one. Coming up soon!

Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 February 2011 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link

ha, you watched the same rip I did. what software did you use to capture?

rockapads, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Virtual Dub creates jpegs from the video frames: http://www.virtualdub.org/download.html -- and then I made an animated gif in Photoshop.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 5 February 2011 00:04 (thirteen years ago) link

cool, i'll give it a shot - thanks.

rockapads, Saturday, 5 February 2011 01:11 (thirteen years ago) link

best D&D epi since freaks & geeks

cozen, Saturday, 5 February 2011 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link

first of all -- GAY

if there is a King Kenny, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 5 February 2011 14:45 (thirteen years ago) link

having the cleaner as voiceoverlady was the best punchline

if there is a King Kenny, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 5 February 2011 14:57 (thirteen years ago) link

yea i'm glad I didn't watch this at my house or our condo mates woulda been screaming "shut the fuck up" through the walls

r0b /via/ orl (San Te), Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link

this was good, but i don't understand why you guys go so gaga over the hi-concept episodes such as this one, the paintball one... i think that the previous couple, the anti-drug play and the rich one, were much funnier

dell (del), Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:45 (thirteen years ago) link

to me the writing on d&d, paintball gets too labored, like they are tripping over themselves trying to be too clever

dell (del), Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link

This was basically a bottle episode, to offset the elaborate costumes and sets of the drug play episode...

Abed should've had a DM's screen.

Kerm, Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Personally it hit hard because of Depression and what it's really like but ya know, was also p funny

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link

should add i was heartened to hear the cry of "excelsior"

also, off-topic, but yesterday i watched the simpsons for the first time in like eight years or something, and it happened to be the "sleep, that's where i'm a viking" one!

dell (del), Saturday, 5 February 2011 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link

this was good, but i don't understand why you guys go so gaga over the hi-concept episodes such as this one, the paintball one... i think that the previous couple, the anti-drug play and the rich one, were much funnier

u crazy

Mordy, Saturday, 5 February 2011 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link

i watched all three with a friend and she thought the same thing!

dell (del), Saturday, 5 February 2011 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link

This was basically a bottle episode, to offset the elaborate costumes and sets of the drug play episode...

was the inverse of the xmas one..instead of the show expensively recreating the aesthetics of the world in which characters were imagining themselves, you saw them in the study room simply discussing this imaginary world.

scottpl, Saturday, 5 February 2011 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link

I love this show. The editing, the sound design, all of it. Really awesome.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 5 February 2011 23:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Like when Chang turns in his character sheet, its all slo-mo and he fades into the hallway. So rad.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 5 February 2011 23:57 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't really care about the high conceptness .. I just thought this episode brought the laughs. But also I am a huge nerd so all the AD&D stuff was welcome.

Last week's episode was pretty weak I thought.

polyphonic, Sunday, 6 February 2011 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link

It wasn't really very "hi concept" except for the occasional narration and chang's slo-mo scene. Otherwise it was just like any other episode with an additional character.

homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Sunday, 6 February 2011 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link

I think it was very tightly directed wrt things like sound effects (which often reflected what was going on in the game) and scoring such that it felt much more high concept than it actually was. there was definitely a level of artistry in so many details this last ep

Mordy, Sunday, 6 February 2011 04:00 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXw6znXPfy4

jaxon, Sunday, 6 February 2011 05:04 (thirteen years ago) link

:D

dell (del), Sunday, 6 February 2011 05:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Googling for an interview with the showrunner made me realize that this isn't the first time Dan Harmon's contributed something to mass D&D culture. when he was back in the Dead Alewives(the mid-90s sketch comedy troupe with Rob Schrab), he wrote this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHdXG2gV01k

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Sunday, 6 February 2011 06:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Dan Harmon wrote that sketch?? I've been hearing it for years and never realized.

Mordy, Sunday, 6 February 2011 06:16 (thirteen years ago) link

does one of the voices, too, apparently:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_and_Dragons_%28sketch%29#Dungeons_and_Dragons_Sketch

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Sunday, 6 February 2011 06:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Finally caught this and

one of the best community episodes ever

OTM. Holy shit, the love scene.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 7 February 2011 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link

omg please tell me this librarian thing goes somewhere

j., Friday, 11 February 2011 06:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, she is beautiful.

one pretty obvious guy in the obvious (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 11 February 2011 06:15 (thirteen years ago) link

It seemed like a one-off to play up Abed and Troy's bond, but who knows.

The girl with Leather Tuscadero hair and the beauty mark on her cheek who hung out with Annie was CUET.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 11 February 2011 06:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah she was! The non-lesbian girl had a weird Marlee Matlin look, odd looking girl.
Loved Jeff carrying Chang back inside;
Chang yelling at the hermit crabs
Italian fanny= British for pizza
Annie making kiss face at Britta

VegemiteGrrl, Friday, 11 February 2011 06:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Alison Brie addressed it on twitter earlier (apparently they're irl friends): she was Cyrina Fiallo.

http://cyrinafiallo.net/pics/solonew4.jpg

Johnny Fever, Friday, 11 February 2011 06:35 (thirteen years ago) link

Super cute

VegemiteGrrl, Friday, 11 February 2011 06:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Chang walking in the apt and immediately smashing the lamp with nunchucks had me pausing the TV to wipe the tears from my face.

dan selzer, Friday, 11 February 2011 06:37 (thirteen years ago) link

i sure wish maite schwartz would make sure nobody drew wieners in me

the pierce plot is shaping up nicely—A+ abuse of the group at the beginning. ('i'm using it to have this stupid conversation with you.')

the whole lesbian plot is like out of ancient comedy or something

j., Friday, 11 February 2011 06:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Starburns had valentines Heartburns

Lesbian + Librian = hottest episode

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 11 February 2011 11:24 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't get the end credits joke.

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 11 February 2011 11:26 (thirteen years ago) link

You don't get the candy hearts, or you don't get that "I've been cheating" could be taken two different ways in that context?

Johnny Fever, Friday, 11 February 2011 11:42 (thirteen years ago) link

guys is it true that l0u1s jagg3r likes rocket on his italian fannies </thread derail with ilx in-joke>

Whineyoming, The 51st State (King Boy Pato), Friday, 11 February 2011 11:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh I guess I just didn't hear it correctly

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 11 February 2011 11:53 (thirteen years ago) link

BOOKS

idgi fridays (blueski), Friday, 11 February 2011 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Ridiculously I was taken 'out' of the episode by the fact that Jeff etc were watching the Liverpool/Man U game at 6:30 pm Denver time which would mean it was kicking off at sometime around midnight English time! It really bothered me.

waka flocka flamini (pandemic), Friday, 11 February 2011 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

I wouldn't be surprised if soccer gets tape delayed in the US.

nickn, Friday, 11 February 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link

No tape delays on the East coast for European football matches afaik (at least on DirecTv). Not sure how it works in the Mountain time zone, though.

Idgi Pop (KMS), Saturday, 12 February 2011 02:07 (thirteen years ago) link

no tape delays in the midwest either

ullr saves (gbx), Saturday, 12 February 2011 03:04 (thirteen years ago) link

i was just taken out of it by jeff knowing the match was on.

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 12 February 2011 07:22 (thirteen years ago) link

also wished they let oliver riff on liverpool, he can be hilarious on the bugle sports section.

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 12 February 2011 07:22 (thirteen years ago) link

i was hoping the same thing! some drunken soccer ranting would have been rad

VegemiteGrrl, Saturday, 12 February 2011 07:37 (thirteen years ago) link

"Why does everyone leap to defend that band so aggressively?"

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 12 February 2011 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link

"BNL"

VegemiteGrrl, Saturday, 12 February 2011 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link

i like that setup, where they have one study group member suddenly let slip their complete disagreement/oddity and the others all turn against them—britta's 'bagel', barenaked ladies… i feel like there have been some more but i can't remember them.

j., Saturday, 12 February 2011 19:19 (thirteen years ago) link

Do people really leap to defend BNL? I have never experienced that. The Tragically Hip, sure.

polyphonic, Saturday, 12 February 2011 19:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Thats why it's funny?

VegemiteGrrl, Saturday, 12 February 2011 20:27 (thirteen years ago) link

Fricking hell, winger Chang troy are comic gold. So amazingly good.

Super Cub, Saturday, 12 February 2011 21:14 (thirteen years ago) link

i like that setup, where they have one study group member suddenly let slip their complete disagreement/oddity and the others all turn against them—britta's 'bagel', barenaked ladies… i feel like there have been some more but i can't remember them.

― j., Saturday, 12 February 2011 19:19 (2 hours ago) Bookmark

Pierce

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 12 February 2011 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link

Do people really leap to defend BNL? I have never experienced that. The Tragically Hip, sure.

Some BNL defenders are actually pretty vociferous (I've been screamed at at least once for talking smack about them). There's probably a reason or two why, but I hate that band so fucking much I refuse to ponder said reasons.

I wouldn't think that Tragically Hip defense would take up much time, as they seem so bland and unassuming that they wouldn't really even rise to the level of a minor annoyance.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 12 February 2011 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link

we just going to ignore that hate crime?

ile board descrip

wonder cozen (cozen), Saturday, 12 February 2011 21:41 (thirteen years ago) link

So many boobs in this show.

― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, January 24, 2011 2:15 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 12 February 2011 21:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Chang walking in the apt and immediately smashing the lamp with nunchucks had me pausing the TV to wipe the tears from my face.

― dan selzer, Friday, February 11, 2011 6:37 AM (2 days ago)

yeah that was one of the funniest things I have ever seen. my family didn't have immediate laughter like I did but maybe this kind of comedy is just too quick for them ;)

homeless romantic (CaptainLorax), Sunday, 13 February 2011 00:06 (thirteen years ago) link

I wouldn't think that Tragically Hip defense would take up much time, as they seem so bland and unassuming that they wouldn't really even rise to the level of a minor annoyance.

Clearly, you did not live in Ottawa in the 90s.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 13 February 2011 02:58 (thirteen years ago) link

No, but Canadian friends have told me they're massive stadium-fillers up there. In the US, maybe they could headline a 3000-seat theater. Maybe.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 13 February 2011 03:14 (thirteen years ago) link

I think they did better than that in Buffalo and Detroit but, yeah, they probably wouldn't inspire passionate debates in Denver.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 13 February 2011 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Plus, none of the Tragically Hip's songs inspired annoying singalongs in the U.S. the way that "One Week" and "If I Had $1000000" did.

Idgi Pop (KMS), Sunday, 13 February 2011 05:20 (thirteen years ago) link

30 Rock had already done the nunchuks joke.

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 13 February 2011 07:34 (thirteen years ago) link

rather extensive deconstructions:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Community

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Sunday, 13 February 2011 08:24 (thirteen years ago) link

wow, i totally feel my Theory of Community to be vindicated by that promotional shot.

j., Sunday, 13 February 2011 08:32 (thirteen years ago) link

books

j., Sunday, 13 February 2011 08:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Hey guys Starburns co-wrote the claymation episode. And got started in an act with Andy Dick, which explains how he got drafted in.

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"That'd be cheating."
"No, it says email me."

I don't get it.

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 13 February 2011 09:16 (thirteen years ago) link

I thought he said "I've been cheating."

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 13 February 2011 09:32 (thirteen years ago) link

# Birth Death Juxtaposition: As Pierce's mom narrates how life works, Abed can be seen helping a young couple give birth in the background. Considering his role in the show he probably sought the pregnant girl out for this very reason.

* It's been about 9 months since the STD fair, hasn't it?

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omg meta-brain juice spilling from my eyes in awesomeness geysers

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 13 February 2011 09:36 (thirteen years ago) link

maite schwartz is one of those actresses like felicia day who's so attractive it's almost physically painful

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Sunday, 13 February 2011 09:47 (thirteen years ago) link

he said 'ive been cheating'

just sayin, Sunday, 13 February 2011 10:28 (thirteen years ago) link

Hey guys Starburns co-wrote the claymation episode.

Community, the tv show

basically just a 2/47 freak out (sic), Sunday, 13 February 2011 11:56 (thirteen years ago) link

maite schwartz is one of those actresses like felicia day who's so attractive it's almost physically painful

yep

idgi fridays (blueski), Sunday, 13 February 2011 13:14 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/12/08/dan-harmon-community-christmas-episode/

I don't know if we've posted this one yet, but it's an interview with Dan Harmon from December. Goes inot the animated special, why each character got chosen for the shape they did, his thoughts on concept eps, why the zombie ep went a bit too far, etc

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Sunday, 13 February 2011 18:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Dan Harmon

Never Forget. http://yfrog.com/h2qzoyoj

11 Feb Favorite Retweet Reply

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 14 February 2011 09:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Do people really leap to defend BNL? I have never experienced that. The Tragically Hip, sure.

Some BNL defenders are actually pretty vociferous (I've been screamed at at least once for talking smack about them). There's probably a reason or two why, but I hate that band so fucking much I refuse to ponder said reasons.

I wouldn't think that Tragically Hip defense would take up much time, as they seem so bland and unassuming that they wouldn't really even rise to the level of a minor annoyance.

― Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 12 February 2011 16:37 (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I assumed it was big bang theory dig because BNL does the theme for that.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 14 February 2011 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh do they? HAHAHAHA

Johnny Fever, Monday, 14 February 2011 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link

ok that's epic. i just thought it was a random-ass reference for yucks (i.e. "Do people really leap to defend BNL?" NOT THE JOKE) but that's great.

(though people with unbelievably shit theme tunes shouldn't throw stones.)

The image post from the hilarious "markers" internet persona (history mayne), Monday, 14 February 2011 13:32 (thirteen years ago) link

At this point, I'm pretty sure the theme song for Community is crappy on purpose.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 14 February 2011 13:43 (thirteen years ago) link

at this point it's just so unnecessary to even have a theme song

idgi fridays (blueski), Monday, 14 February 2011 13:45 (thirteen years ago) link

I can't count the reasons I should stay... one by one they all just fade away...

Mordy, Monday, 14 February 2011 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link

The BNL thing was the same trick as the calzone joke on Parks, but with opposite roles between the group and the individual.

Evan, Monday, 14 February 2011 15:37 (thirteen years ago) link

Well I missed a good chunk of the third act, but that was pretty awesome.

Keep on the good work! (R Baez), Friday, 18 February 2011 01:39 (thirteen years ago) link

weird ep. i'm not sure if i liked it or not (tho it was chockfull of great moments i'm not sure it really came together) but good news i'm going to watch it half a dozen more times this weekend to help decide

Mordy, Friday, 18 February 2011 01:45 (thirteen years ago) link

I declared it a winner the first time I saw Troy in paralysis. If it had just one more scene of that (and it had like four), it would be the best of the season.

Keep on the good work! (R Baez), Friday, 18 February 2011 01:48 (thirteen years ago) link

i think i expected more from the pierce-is-an-ass arc conclusion, tho maybe it's not over and they still have more to go

Mordy, Friday, 18 February 2011 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link

i dont think anyone in this thread agrees with me but i could really go for an episode that doesnt have a wacky framing device

max, Friday, 18 February 2011 03:58 (thirteen years ago) link

Seriously watching Troy break down into tears after singing a surprisingly great rendition of the Reading Rainbow theme song was by far the hardest I've laughed at a television show in ages. Overall the episode wasn't the best, but oh my god Levar Burton too. And the clips of Jeff freaking out. But, yeah, Troy was an all-star tonight.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 February 2011 04:18 (thirteen years ago) link

The dialogue between Britta and Jeff was pure gold. Loved this ep and think they were just setting up more for later.

sarah, palin and tall (San Te), Friday, 18 February 2011 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link

zomg Troy tearing up that break room

Gukbe, Friday, 18 February 2011 05:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Seriously watching Troy break down into tears after singing a surprisingly great rendition of the Reading Rainbow theme song was by far the hardest I've laughed at a television show in ages. Seriously watching Troy break down into tears after singing a surprisingly great rendition of the Reading Rainbow theme song was by far the hardest I've laughed at a television show in ages. Seriously watching Troy break down into tears after singing a surprisingly great rendition of the Reading Rainbow theme song was by far the hardest I've laughed at a television show in ages. Seriously watching Troy break down into tears after singing a surprisingly great rendition of the Reading Rainbow theme song was by far the hardest I've laughed at a television show in ages. Seriously watching Troy break down into tears after singing a surprisingly great rendition of the Reading Rainbow theme song was by far the hardest I've laughed at a television show in ages. Seriously watching Troy break down into tears after singing a surprisingly great rendition of the Reading Rainbow theme song was by far the hardest I've laughed at a television show in ages.

can never be said enough imo.

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 18 February 2011 08:19 (thirteen years ago) link

The Troy part of this episode was fantastic, and is also a pretty fair approximation of how I would react if I ever met someone I really admired.

Pierce has become so much more dickish and unlikeable than he even was before. It's not even funny now.

Peyton Flanders (Nicole), Friday, 18 February 2011 13:25 (thirteen years ago) link

can never be said enough imo.

At first I was worried you were making fun of me for liking that part so much, but I feel better now. Seriously, my wife and I reminded back to that part about four times last night.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 February 2011 14:38 (thirteen years ago) link

it was beyond great, I still cant believe it.

VegemiteGrrl, Friday, 18 February 2011 15:39 (thirteen years ago) link

it's not that i'm selfish it's that i'm really STUPID with my money!

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 18 February 2011 16:30 (thirteen years ago) link

I thought that was brilliant. I seem to be the opposite of some people in that I like the show more the more high-concept it gets.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 19 February 2011 02:14 (thirteen years ago) link

And yes, Reading Rainbow moment was amazing.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 19 February 2011 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Kabletown's been making Community episodes available OnDemand really at really random and inconsistent times, so i just got to watch the last 2 episodes in a row and damn. i know they weren't like all-out trying to diss The Office/P&R or anything and some of you herbs prefer those shosw but imo they totally ethered all mockumentary shows with that ep.

some dude, Saturday, 19 February 2011 02:26 (thirteen years ago) link

OTM

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 19 February 2011 02:28 (thirteen years ago) link

The dialogue between Britta and Jeff was pure gold.

Just watched it, and ^ this can't be repeated enough. Also loved the Troy parts (I too was laughing riotously at the singing/crying Reading Rainbow theme).

Best part for me was the complisult/explanabrag.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 19 February 2011 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah that stuff was killer

some dude, Saturday, 19 February 2011 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link

In the AV Club interview -- http://www.avclub.com/milwaukee/articles/how-dan-harmon-went-from-doing-comedysportz-in-mil,34126/ -- Harmon said he only wants to be showrunner for the first season and then let someone else do it so he can go off and do other projects. And obviously if it's successful NBC will keep it going regardless of the creator's level of involvement. Kinda makes sense, since Harmon did the Channel 101 website and Acceptable TV series on VH1 (which was awesome and hilarious), where they'd create new mini-shows every week and let people vote on whether they come back for new episodes, so I can see how he'd get bored doing the same show for years and years.

― as far as the eye (ken c) (some dude), Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:16 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it's funny looking back on this post now it was kind of prophetic, except Harmon didn't get bored and leave Community, he just kept himself entertained by making it a different show almost every week

some dude, Saturday, 19 February 2011 02:44 (thirteen years ago) link

i really loved Acceptable TV and was so bummed it got canceled so Community doing well feels like total vindication for me

some dude, Saturday, 19 February 2011 02:45 (thirteen years ago) link

Britta/Jeff exhange was all kinds of gold

VegemiteGrrl, Saturday, 19 February 2011 03:11 (thirteen years ago) link

When they were pretending to be each other's Dads? Yeah, that was great.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 19 February 2011 03:18 (thirteen years ago) link

What was it that Lavar said during the credits?

"More ham for Kunta"?

take yo shirt off, twist it round yo hand, spin it like a helikl0pter (San Te), Saturday, 19 February 2011 03:23 (thirteen years ago) link

fish

brigitte beardo (donna rouge), Saturday, 19 February 2011 03:32 (thirteen years ago) link

OK, I never saw Reading Rainbow and didn't know the song. And I STILL found that moment mindbendingly hilarious.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 19 February 2011 06:27 (thirteen years ago) link

wanted to be sad there were no Jordy LaForge joeks but Lavar is such a goldmine, it's ALL good. Glover was genius.

VegemiteGrrl, Saturday, 19 February 2011 06:30 (thirteen years ago) link

wait is kabletown real? i thought it was just a 30 rock storyline

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 19 February 2011 07:24 (thirteen years ago) link

hope lavar becomes a regular ala wusshisnamefrompredator being in arrested development

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 19 February 2011 07:24 (thirteen years ago) link

kabletown = comcast

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 19 February 2011 07:27 (thirteen years ago) link

kabletown is a thin veil

j., Saturday, 19 February 2011 07:35 (thirteen years ago) link

my gf swears that both a) Troy wanting a photo of Levar Burton, not to meet Levar Burton and b) the bit where Pierce questions the gang abt what they hate about Shirley were scenes from actual previous episodes - she has asked if anyone can confirm this for her, or is she going mad?

also, this show just gets better and better.

I'd rather climb into the saddle of my Ford Mustang and sink spurs (stevie), Saturday, 19 February 2011 10:36 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i call Comcast "Kabletown" out of habit now, partly because my brother used to work for them and after he got reprimanded for talking about what a shitty employer they are on Facebook, he'd refer to them as "Kabletown" instead

some dude, Saturday, 19 February 2011 12:16 (thirteen years ago) link

The Troy part of this episode was fantastic, and is also a pretty fair approximation of how I would react if I ever met someone I really admired.

Pierce has become so much more dickish and unlikeable than he even was before. It's not even funny now.

― Peyton Flanders (Nicole)

strongly disagree

if you can't forgive forget (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 19 February 2011 12:30 (thirteen years ago) link

I don't think the Pearce thing is supposed to be humorous. It's probably a character development leading to something much larger by season end.

take yo shirt off, twist it round yo hand, spin it like a helikl0pter (San Te), Saturday, 19 February 2011 12:51 (thirteen years ago) link

i always just imagine its cuz chevy chase is such an asshole

just sayin, Saturday, 19 February 2011 13:59 (thirteen years ago) link

stevie now you say it, that sounds familiar but i couldn't tell you exact episodes.

if there is a King Moaty, apparently he is huge into slapstick. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 19 February 2011 14:01 (thirteen years ago) link

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Johnny Fever, Monday, 21 February 2011 12:35 (thirteen years ago) link

<3

VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 21 February 2011 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link

i dont think anyone in this thread agrees with me but i could really go for an episode that doesnt have a wacky framing device

― max, Thursday, February 17, 2011 10:58 PM

i agree

am0n, Monday, 21 February 2011 17:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I think the framing devices work better for Community than for pretty much any other show (with the possible exception of the zombie episode). At no point have said devices overshadowed character development; in fact, in just about every instance, they've added (sometimes exponentially) depth to the characters. It's not like these are find-the-goofs April Fools episodes; this ain't the Drew Carey Show.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 21 February 2011 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link

ohhhh nm thought this was the drew carey show thread

am0n, Monday, 21 February 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm just sayin', the characters aren't just one-liner joke machines (I mean, they are certainly that, but so much more), and the framing devices in Community serve a fundamentally different purpose than similar devices would on a show where character development/depth isn't really a concern. So instead of, "You know what would be funny? A stop-motion animated episode!," it's "The best way to give added insight into Abed is via a stop-motion animated episode!"

Or something.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 21 February 2011 17:39 (thirteen years ago) link

you're really reading a lot into max's post, and my agreement with it, about simply wanting an episode free of a framing device. constant self-aware avoidance of ruts can itself become a rut y'know.

am0n, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:10 (thirteen years ago) link

interested to see what they do with Pierce as they've gone all out to make most of us (no?) dislike him and for believability's sake you'd think they'd all just cut him loose. different situation with Chang where he's more just bizarre and creepy rather than actively intentionally mean to them. maybe they will both find some way to genuinely endear themselves to the others thru a heroic deed and normalise thereafter, but yeah that could suck.

idgi fridays (blueski), Monday, 21 February 2011 18:20 (thirteen years ago) link

I have a strong feeling that Pierce won't be around by the time Season 3 starts. I kinda feel like he was only included at the start because NBC wanted a "name" attached to the project and now that the show is (at least semi-) successful on its own terms, they are preparing him to dump him (from what I hear, he is a complete ass on the set).

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 21 February 2011 18:23 (thirteen years ago) link

this is pure conjecture but chase is known to be a total dick IRL and I wonder if the writers/show producers are taking revenge on him with what they're doing to pierce

― congratulations (n/a), Friday, December 3, 2010 8:07 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 21 February 2011 18:27 (thirteen years ago) link

apparently during filming Chase was saying some lines and then paused for a few seconds then "heeeeey, I see what this is" and stormed off set.

idgi fridays (blueski), Monday, 21 February 2011 18:36 (thirteen years ago) link

watching the chevy chase roast on youtube, so brutal

am0n, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Blimey. xp

From what I hear, he is a complete ass on the set

Are you hearing this from mates or from a source you could provide a link to? I'm not arguing with you, I'd just be curious to read about it if there's material available. Basically I just like reading about Community.

trishyb, Monday, 21 February 2011 18:55 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-wRyezZEdE

am0n, Monday, 21 February 2011 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Are you hearing this from mates or from a source you could provide a link to? I'm not arguing with you, I'd just be curious to read about it if there's material available. Basically I just like reading about Community.

The thing I read was something a friend sent me from one of the second-tier gossip sites, but I'll be damned if I can find it now. There was nothing concrete, but given his history, seemed pretty valid.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 21 February 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link

you're really reading a lot into max's post, and my agreement with it, about simply wanting an episode free of a framing device. constant self-aware avoidance of ruts can itself become a rut y'know.

― am0n, Monday, February 21, 2011 1:10 PM (59 minutes ago) Bookmark

I hear ya, and I actually agree with you in the abstract -- a show that relies too heavily on such devices is probably going to run out of gas soon. I guess I feel that wrt Community, the framing-device and no-framing-device episodes kind of feed off of each other, and inform each other. And I definitely see your point in the danger of lopsidedness.

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 21 February 2011 19:16 (thirteen years ago) link

that roast is too sad

I'd rather climb into the saddle of my Ford Mustang and sink spurs (stevie), Monday, 21 February 2011 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link

i want to read chevy's autobio

I'd rather climb into the saddle of my Ford Mustang and sink spurs (stevie), Monday, 21 February 2011 19:32 (thirteen years ago) link

I tend to prefer the high concept episodes. every time I watch a 'standard' episode, I still laugh a ton and love it, and yet because of how good their high concept episodes are, I keep going "man I can't wish until their next one".

With that said, they do need a 'standard episode' sorbet every few episodes to keep them fresh.

angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Monday, 21 February 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link

favourite episode so far this season is the animated one - much better than i expected (guess i do like the abed-heavy ones the most). least favourite is the drugs one.

idgi fridays (blueski), Monday, 21 February 2011 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Community doesn't have a Chevy Chase problem. the whole chevy chase/pierce thing is one of the most compelling things to watch in the show right now and it speaks really poorly of television criticism that they're unable to say "this is very uncomfortable and compelling" without also saying, "that must mean the show is doing something wrong." the "group" has never really wanted Pierce around and that hasn't changed. he just keeps showing up. it's not like they can get rid of him at this point. he snuck into the DnD game, wasn't hanging out with them in "Early 21st Century Romanticism," etc. He really hasn't been a part of the group since the drug play episode.

The other thing tho is that Pierce isn't totally unredeemable either. Though he acts like a dick, he often plays an important role in getting people to overcome problems and face up to themselves. The narrator in the DnD episode explicitly credits Pierce with having saved Neil's life, and as of last episode he has given Jeff the opportunity to have some closure with his father. he's obviously a terrible person and bitter and all that, but it's a mistake to not acknowledge the things he has brought to the group. If anything, I don't think we'll see him redeemed (assuming he even stays on the show). If anything I think we'll see a shift where the good things about him are put more front and center.

Mordy, Monday, 21 February 2011 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Community doesn't have a Chevy Chase problem. the whole chevy chase/pierce thing is one of the most compelling things to watch in the show right now and it speaks really poorly of television criticism that they're unable to say "this is very uncomfortable and compelling" without also saying, "that must mean the show is doing something wrong."

cosign

I'd rather climb into the saddle of my Ford Mustang and sink spurs (stevie), Monday, 21 February 2011 22:15 (thirteen years ago) link

yea it's not like they've turned Pearce into a completely one dimensional character. with every act of dickery they always give a little window into his own anguish.

I have known plenty of Pearces in my own life.

angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Monday, 21 February 2011 22:16 (thirteen years ago) link

xxp Mordy totally OTM

and I agree with your prediction in the last sentence (if only for one episode)

dead flies on a chain (CaptainLorax), Monday, 21 February 2011 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link

+ “She's actually just my favorite” is downright classic. He has some of the best lines

dead flies on a chain (CaptainLorax), Monday, 21 February 2011 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link

mordy otm

some dude, Monday, 21 February 2011 22:29 (thirteen years ago) link

the whole chevy chase/pierce thing is one of the most compelling things to watch in the show right now and it speaks really poorly of television criticism

absolutely

The Marquis de Sade Adu (sic), Monday, 21 February 2011 22:34 (thirteen years ago) link

it's funny though cuz it is true. like it is true that basic cable programming has gotten more graphic over the years, usually it has been in your more dramatic/cop procedural shows. With comedies, most of the advances in graphic content have been on the sexual side. sitcoms, whether they were the standard formula comedies, or the 30-Rocky type 'quirk' comedies, most all of them would avoid sensitive topics like suicide, or if they did step near them, they'd make comedic situations out of them.

same with the pill addiction. I'm not saying nobody's done it before, but the writers aren't shying away from a lot of basic-cable shows haven't wanted to touch.

(note that doens't apply at all to premium cable shows).

angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Monday, 21 February 2011 22:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Though he acts like a dick, he often plays an important role in getting people to overcome problems and face up to themselves.

for the most part this is the unwitting collateral of his dickishness ... still think he's pretty irredeemable and not expecting any redemption. agree with your broad point

ofwgktaxlrmde (cozen), Monday, 21 February 2011 22:41 (thirteen years ago) link

the troy-crazy-staring parts of this last ep were not funny

it was an okay ep, but these were not

troy freaking out was funny, but the staring bits were not

i also d quite g troy now. wasn't he a jock? but now he is actually a massive star trek fan aka geek. not saying there isn't an overlap but.

for all the fucked-up children of this world we give you 1p3 (history mayne), Monday, 21 February 2011 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link

the troy-crazy-staring parts of this last ep were not funny

I stopped reading here...

angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Monday, 21 February 2011 22:43 (thirteen years ago) link

agreed about pierce. i also like chevy chase and don't really care if he's been irl shitty to a bunch of ppl in hollywood

am0n, Monday, 21 February 2011 22:45 (thirteen years ago) link

also Troy was a 'jock' in the sense that he is athletic but he never liked making that the core of him, that's why he intentionally injured himself playing football.

angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Monday, 21 February 2011 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link

but now he is actually a massive star trek fan aka geek.

uh did u miss every single ref to reading rainbow or ??

am0n, Monday, 21 February 2011 22:47 (thirteen years ago) link

http://coltmonday.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/reading-rainbow.jpg?w=271&h=412

am0n, Monday, 21 February 2011 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link

or the episode where he had no clue what Dungeons and Dragons was

angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Monday, 21 February 2011 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link

think it was pretty clear that Troy's Lavar appreciation hierarchy went

1. Reading Rainbow
2. Roots
78. Star Trek

angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Monday, 21 February 2011 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link

also g the f out, the staring parts were funny

am0n, Monday, 21 February 2011 22:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Do you remember when he had a backpack with only a pillow in it?

That was the best.

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Monday, 21 February 2011 22:50 (thirteen years ago) link

alien costume in halloween ep

am0n, Monday, 21 February 2011 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link

propose history mayne's criticism stricken from thread

angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Monday, 21 February 2011 22:51 (thirteen years ago) link

seconded

Gukbe, Monday, 21 February 2011 23:11 (thirteen years ago) link

i think Troy represents the New Gen Jock, which is the one that digs geeky stuff like comic books, sci-fi and video games even though they're not that smart so i think Community is accurately reflecting interesting trends in youth culture

Gukbe, Monday, 21 February 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link

also duh Troy's inherent enthusiasm and joie de vivre has been stoked for nerdy things by his friendship with Abed, the most fulfilling relationship in his life thus far

when he was a jock he was never excited ABOUT anything

The Marquis de Sade Adu (sic), Monday, 21 February 2011 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link

ok

i don't know what reading rainbow is, but it doesn't seem that jock-troy would have been moved to tears about it...?

either way, staring still unfunny

the d&d ep was great

for all the fucked-up children of this world we give you 1p3 (history mayne), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link

jocks and non-jocks alike grew up loving Reading Rainbow.

Gukbe, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link

aight. guess it must be a 'funny for americans' thing, like john oliver.

for all the fucked-up children of this world we give you 1p3 (history mayne), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:45 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, classic american kids show

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link

i think even the people who make the show have been pretty upfront about the fact that they started with an idea of troy the character as he was written in the pilot and from there have tailored it more to glover's personality/talents, but i think they've done a good job of making it a gradual development of the character and not a total retcon.

some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:48 (thirteen years ago) link

xp

The fact that Reading Rainbow is now relegated to nostalgia kinda pisses me off. There should be new episodes forever, man.

Keep on the good work! (R Baez), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Former executive producer LeVar Burton announced on his Twitter feed on March 19, 2010, that "Reading Rainbow 2.0 is in the works."

Oh cool. THANKS WIKI!

Keep on the good work! (R Baez), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:55 (thirteen years ago) link

A few years ago I was home during the day and had the tv on PBS. "Reading Rainbow" came on, and I'm like, "I didn't know they still did this! How cool!" But as the show started, I discovered it was a rerun from the late 80s about "Night Stories" w/a vinyl spinning overnight lady DJ starring w/Lavar in the framing intros.

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 00:59 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't know what reading rainbow is, but it doesn't seem that jock-troy would have been moved to tears about it...?

Troy was a jock in late high school, 10 years after he would have been a sensitive kid into a storybook TV show. He didn't like being a jock, but it gave him a sense of belonging and self-esteem that he found supportive at the time. ergo still sensitive kid inside.

The Marquis de Sade Adu (sic), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 01:16 (thirteen years ago) link

ha Big Bang Theory is running an ad about how this week's episode might feature LeVar Burton (but probably won't)

some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link

!!!ZEITGEIST!!!

The campaign to get J.J. Abrams to cast LeVar in the next Star Trek movie starts... NOW.

Keep on the good work! (R Baez), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link

history mayne taking hits from the rong on this thread

I'd rather climb into the saddle of my Ford Mustang and sink spurs (stevie), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 08:06 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.hulu.com/watch/217261/community-the-writing-process#s-p1-sr-i1

behind the scenes fun. Features more LeVar action.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 08:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, finally watched this ep and quite enjoyed it. They went to some pretty dark places and I'm wondering how far they'll go.

Enjoyed the fact that I like it when the writers' and showrunner's preferences bleed thru the characters. If you were of a certain age in the 80s, having levar burton on your show really is something to freak out about.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 08:11 (thirteen years ago) link

kinda feeling history mayne on the troy staring thing, tbh

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 13:36 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah the staring was the least funny thing about the Troy/LeVar stuff imo. although it fit in that just having someone stare instead of writing a joke is exactly what mockumentary-type sitcoms do.

some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 13:46 (thirteen years ago) link

p much

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 13:52 (thirteen years ago) link

The staring was funny mostly because LeVar had so much patience with it.

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link

I just think its kind of funny that of all the silly things about this show, history mayne suddenly picked Troy's fascination with Levar Burton to draw the line. "Secret gardens with hidden trampolines? Fine. The school turning into zombies? Okay. Troy loving Levar Burton? No WAY would that happpen, he's a jock!"

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link

in a sense hm is right since the show seems to strive for human behavioral realism even tho things in the show's universe can be totally crazy (Harmon has talked about this a few times). he's just totally wrong here where the behavior is totally consistent to the character

Mordy, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 14:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Troy staring IS SO TOO funny

VegemiteGrrl, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 16:13 (thirteen years ago) link

"Secret gardens with hidden trampolines? Fine. The school turning into zombies? Okay. Troy loving Levar Burton? No WAY would that happpen, he's a jock!"

― rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:51 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

no, no, the secret garden trampoline wasn't too funny. the zombie thing was aight. plausibility wise, i guess the main thing is the staring being unfunny, not so much the character consistency. but the events of the episodes don't have to interfere with that.

there were things i did like in the episode, even in troy's arc!

the britta-vs-jeff bit was funny as fuck. i just prefer people zinging each other to any crap about shirley learning to trust people/anything to do with chevy chase's 'issues'/actually addressing abed's character's sources in his upbringing

for all the fucked-up children of this world we give you 1p3 (history mayne), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link

oh that's right, you're the nutjob that's constantly paranoid about this show getting too 'emo'

some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 16:45 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah crazy

for all the fucked-up children of this world we give you 1p3 (history mayne), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 16:47 (thirteen years ago) link

the staring Troy gif posted up thread amused me more than it did in the episode

rockapads, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:06 (thirteen years ago) link

"more tuna for Kunte" was amazing

DJP, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:21 (thirteen years ago) link

i was into this show at the beginning of this season and then suddenly stopped watching.

OLD MAN YELLS AT SHOUT RAP (chrisv2010), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:25 (thirteen years ago) link

yea that elevated the episode over the line of awesomeness. feel sorry for all the people who DVRed it that may have had the ending cut off and didn't see it.

angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link

(xpost)

angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:27 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm debating starting to DVR Perfect Couples and Outsourced just to make sure I get to see the closing credit gags. I haven't seen a 30 Rock credit gag all season.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:31 (thirteen years ago) link

see if there's a setting to extend the recording by 5 mins...that's what I like to do just in case.

angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 17:34 (thirteen years ago) link

aight. guess it must be a 'funny for americans' thing, like john oliver.
― for all the fucked-up children of this world we give you 1p3 (history mayne), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 12:45 AM (17 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

<3

ofwgktaxlrmde (cozen), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:08 (thirteen years ago) link

I do not like the implication that I find John Oliver funny.

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:11 (thirteen years ago) link

wait history mayne is the jeff winger of this thread isn't he

some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:16 (thirteen years ago) link

If you don't find John Oliver funny on The Bugle podcast then, man, I don't know what to tell you.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:18 (thirteen years ago) link

god outsourced is so terrible. i can't even watch it. cringe cringe cringe.

was actually enjoying the new sitcom on cbs with american pie dude and scrubs/himym lady. and jack black wannabe guy who was on the failed fox show. plus, martin starr was on last night as the next door neighbor and i hope he becomes a semi-regular. (lizzy caplan apparently was on the pilot for this show.)

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Eww Mad Love? Imo that show is like going to a strip club where strippers get dressed. It's How I Met Your Mother with no LOLs

angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:46 (thirteen years ago) link

how 2 1/2 men met your big bang theory

am0n, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:51 (thirteen years ago) link

what's real funny is how much Jason Biggs looks and sounds like Josh Radnour these days.

angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:53 (thirteen years ago) link

oh no its pretty bad but it was watchable last night. but mostly it just made me wish that someone would give martin starr his own sitcom.

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link

that jack black guy is really annoying.

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:58 (thirteen years ago) link

and to be honest i never liked the scrubs woman. i didn't like anyone on scrubs.

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Mad Love is like an exercise in how much more boring Mike & Molly could be if it was about pretty people

some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 18:59 (thirteen years ago) link

also Judy Greer seems to pick the worst sitcoms to be in....shame cuz I like her

angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link

i can't watch mike & molly. despite my long-time love for swoosie kurtz. the two main guys on mike & molly are almost completely unwatchable. the cop buddies.

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link

I like Sarah Chalke fine, but I definitely don't want to see her on this show.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Judy Greer seems to pick the worst sitcoms to be in

I liked that Miss Guided show, which also had Chris Parnell.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link

also Judy Greer seems to pick the worst sitcoms to be in....shame cuz I like her

― angel of debt!!! monarch to the kingdom of the Fed... (San Te), Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:00 PM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark

i thought Miss Guided was kinda aight!

haha xpost

some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link

and uh Arrested Development
and Archer if that counts as a sitcom

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:06 (thirteen years ago) link

what I want to know is, who else is willing to admit that they find Perfect Couples funny

DJP, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:11 (thirteen years ago) link

i've generally gotten at least a couple laughs out of each episode, although a lot of the time it falls kinda flat

some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Perfect Couples, last week, actually made me laugh a few times after swearing it off the week before. Also, Sarah Chalke on this Mad Love show made the similarities to a washed-out HIMYM 100% more obvious and I wonder what they were thinking in casting her!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:20 (thirteen years ago) link

that jack black guy is really annoying.

That's why I didn't even bother with that new sitcom, that guy is just a total douchecanoe in everything he is in.

Peyton Flanders (Nicole), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link

EW just released the 50 highest rated current TV shows and Community & 30 Rock didn't even place. What a weird country this is.

1. American Idol Wednesday (Fox, 9.9 rating/26 share)
2. American Idol Thursday (Fox, 8.2/22)
3. NFL Sunday Football (NBC, 8.0/20)
4. NFL Sunday Pre-kick (NBC, 5.6/15)
5. Modern Family (ABC, 5.0/13)
6. Overtime (Fox, 4.6/14)
7. Grey's Anatomy (ABC, 4.6/12)
8. Two and A Half Men (CBS, 4.6/11)
9. Dancing with the Stars (ABC, 4.6/11)
10. The Big Bang Theory (CBS, 4.5/13)
11. NCIS (CBS, 4.3/12)
12. Survivor: Nicaragua (CBS, 4.3/12)
13. The Office (NBC, 4.1/10)
14. Family Guy (Fox, 4.1/10)
15. Desperate Housewives (ABC, 4.1/9)
16. Glee (excludes special post-Super Bowl episode, Fox, 4.0/11)
17. Dancing with the Stars results (ABC, 4.0/10)
18. Criminal Minds (CBS, 3.9/10)
19. House (Fox, 3.9/10)
20. Football Night in America (NBC, 3.8/11)
21. The Amazing Race 17 (CBS, 3.8/9)
22. NCIS: LA (CBS, 3.8/10)
23. The Simpsons (Fox, 3.8/10)
24. How I Met Your Mother (CBS, 3.7/10)
25. Mr. Sunshine (ABC, 3.7/10)
26. Mike & Molly (CBS, 3.7/9)
27. Undercover Boss (CBS, 3.7/9)
28. The Biggest Loser (NBC, 3.4/9)
29. Hawaii 5-0 (CBS, 3.4/9)
30. Cougar Town (ABC, 3.4/9)
31. CSI (CBS, 3.3/8)
32. Hell's Kitchen (Fox, 3.3/8)
33. The Mentalist (CBS, 3.2/9)
34. Wipeout Thursday (ABC, 3.2/9)
35. Bones (Fox, 3.2/9)
36. Rules of Engagement (CBS, 3.2/8)
37. The Bachelor (ABC, 3.2/8)
38. The Biggest Loser 10 (NBC, 3.1/8)
39. The Event (NBC, 3.1/7)
40. $#*! My Dad Says (CBS, 3.1/9)
41. Private Practice (ABC, 3.1/8)
42. The Cleveland Show (Fox, 3.1/7)
43. CSI: Miami (CBS, 3.0/8)
44. Parks & Recreation (NBC, 3.0/8)
45. Bob's Burgers (Fox, 3.0/7)
46. Hell's Kitchen Wednesday (Fox, 3.0/9)
47. Raising Hope (Fox, 3.0/8)
48. Parenthood (NBC, 2.8/8)
49. Law & Order: SVU (NBC, 2.8/7)
50. Brothers & Sisters (ABC, 2.8/7)

Darin, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:26 (thirteen years ago) link

More people watch Bob's Burgers than 30 Rock.

Darin, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link

kinda surprised that cleveland show, simpsons and family guy all placed but not american dad

Mordy, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link

kinda love that

some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link

I will take (very small) solace in the fact that Modern Family is now America's top comedy over that 2 1/2 Men shitshow.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link

hate having people i like on horrible shows. my mad t.v. friends are on that horrible shit my dad says show. and they have to be horrible on it. i mean i'm glad they have work, but sheesh...

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link

Is that show still going?

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link

need a sitcom starring cloris leachman, martha plimpton, will sasso, swoosie kurtz, and nicole sullivan. and martin starr.

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link

i think it took me two years to realize that new adventures of old christine wasn't around anymore. guess i didn't miss it much!

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Bob's burgers needs its own thread.

Peyton Flanders (Nicole), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:48 (thirteen years ago) link

Bob's Burgers is tremendous.

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link

best thing about new adventures of old christine not being on - Julia Louise Dreyfuss is working on something with Sam Bain, Jesse Armstrong and Armando Ianucci (or so I read).

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:54 (thirteen years ago) link

I hadn't even heard of Bob's Burgers alone. Looks like it might be OK. The title made me picture some crappy Jim Belushi-type show.

Darin, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link

i think it took me two years to realize that new adventures of old christine wasn't around anymore. guess i didn't miss it much!

― scott seward, Tuesday, February 22, 2011 2:44 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark

well, it's only been off the air for like 8 months

some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Bobs Burgers is worth is just for Kristin Schaal alone

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link

feels like two years.

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link

you guys should come talk on the 2011 tv thread

max, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link

can someone explain what the bracketed numbers mean on that list?

Samuel (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link

2011 winter/spring TV thread: mid-season replacements, returning favorites, etc.

max, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Here's the bottom 50. Each rating point in the first number represents 1.3 million viewers between 18 & 49 years old. The second is market share, I think.

American Dad (Fox, 2.8 rating, 7 share)
60 Minutes (CBS, 2.7/7)
Castle (ABC, 2.7/7)
Outsourced (NBC, 2.6/7)
The Good Wife (CBS, 2.6/7)
The Middle (ABC, 2.6/8)
30 Rock (NBC, 2.5/7)
Law & Order: LA (NBC, 2.5/7)
Fringe (Fox, 2.5/7)
Extreme Makeover: Home Edition (ABC, 2.4/6)
Chicago Code (Fox, 2.4/6)
Harry’s Law (NBC, 2.3/6)
Defenders (CBS, 2.3/7)
Off the Map (ABC, 2.3/6)
V (ABC, 2.3/6)
Blue Bloods (CBS, 2.2/7)
Better With You (ABC, 2.2/6)
Lie to Me (Fox, 2.2/5)
Chuck (NBC, 2.1/5)
Community (NBC, 2.1/6)
CSI: NY (CBS, 2.1/7)
No Ordinary Family (ABC, 2.1/5)
Human Target (Fox, 2.1/6)
The Cape (NBC, 2.0/5)
Football Night in America 2 (NBC, 2.0/6)
Chase (NBC, 1.9/5)
Minute to Win It (Wed, NBC, 1.9/5)
Kitchen Nightmares (Fox, 1.9/6)
Million Dollar Money Drop (Fox, 1.9/5)
Traffic Light (Fox, 1.9/5)
Perfect Couples (NBC, 1.8/5)
The Apprentice 10 (NBC, 1.7/5)
America’s Funniest Home Videos (ABC, 1.7/5)
Detroit 187 (ABC, 1.7/5)
America’s Next Top Model (The CW, 1.7/5)
20/20 (ABC, 1.6/5)
Primetime: What Would You Do (ABC, 1.6/5)
Dateline (Friday, NBC, 1.5/5)
Who Do You Think You Are (NBC, 1.4/5)
Vampire Diaries (CW, 1.4/4)
48 Hours Mystery (CBS, 1.4/4)
Live to Dance (CBS, 1.3/3)
Smallville (CW, 1.3/4)
Minute to Win It (Friday, NBC, 1.2/4)
Supernanny (ABC, 1.2/4)
Supernatural (The CW, 1.2/4)
Gossip Girl (CW, 1.0/2)
90210 (CW, 0.9/2)
Nikita (CW, 0.9/2)
One Tree Hill (CW, 0.9/2)

Darin, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Poor CW

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link

jeezuz one tree hill you have got to be kidding me.

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link

I can't believe Outsourced is still doing better numbers than Community

Mordy, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 21:33 (thirteen years ago) link

outsourced should be banned.

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:00 (thirteen years ago) link

dude from drew carey so odious on that show. unlike dude from drew carey on 2&half men and lady dude from drew carey on cougar town.

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link

i kinda luv lady dude. she was pretty much the reason i watched drew carey. that show could be funny.

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:02 (thirteen years ago) link

i find it funny how you're anti-scrubs but down w/ cougar town.

some dude, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:07 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, it's the same show with (mostly) different characters.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link

scrubs + cougar town are the exact same show except cox is prettier than braff

Mordy, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:17 (thirteen years ago) link

even same soundtracks

Mordy, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:18 (thirteen years ago) link

scrubs is a show that can't get no love from scott

am0n, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link

lol

scrubs + cougar town are the exact same show except cox is prettier than braff

― Mordy, Tuesday, February 22, 2011 11:17 PM (18 minutes ago) Bookmark

was confused by this for a minute

for all the fucked-up children of this world we give you 1p3 (history mayne), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:36 (thirteen years ago) link

scrubs was too desperately "zany" for me. i dunno, just didn't dig the cast. i like the cast of cougar town. all of them. although the son is kind of a dud.

the baby show on fox! speaking of duds. the main dude on that show. how the hell did he get that job? he is so horrible. everything about him bugs me. where did he come from?

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link

braff the biggest dud. hate these dudly guys. there must be funny people out there who are actually charismatic too.

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link

the father in raising hope was in winter's bone. two radically different visions of white poverty in america

Mordy, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link

he was awesome in two roles in Deadwood. they were both creepy bad guys though so it's weird he's the lead on a sitcom now.
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congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link

american pie dude too. another dud. they are all the same kind of dud.

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, creepy i can see. his face is creepy!

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link

i thought lucas neff was the lead on raising hope?

Mordy, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:41 (thirteen years ago) link

garret dillahunt is the father and the amazing deadwood actor

Mordy, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:42 (thirteen years ago) link

ah okay. yeah i don't mind the father.

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link

but he's not as good as redneck dad on cougar town. love him.

scott seward, Tuesday, 22 February 2011 23:51 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm fine w/ the lead dude on raising hope, he's got a little of that "bland guy who's only at the center of things to bounce off of funnier characters" sitcom protagonist archetype going on but i think he hits the right notes more often than not.

some dude, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Dad on Cougar Town and dad on Raising Hope were both on John from Cincinnati (which most people seemed to hate, but I liked).

Jouster, Wednesday, 23 February 2011 08:52 (thirteen years ago) link

oh man I laughed way too hard at that stupid notch gag

Simon H., Friday, 25 February 2011 05:55 (thirteen years ago) link

"Hey, Vicki. Psst... Vicki, look at me! Psst... I'm going to crush you."

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 25 February 2011 06:07 (thirteen years ago) link

(best episode of the season, says me)

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 25 February 2011 06:07 (thirteen years ago) link

pop PO-O-OP!

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Friday, 25 February 2011 07:16 (thirteen years ago) link

extra bits:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hI9bnmq11o

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Friday, 25 February 2011 07:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Magnitude is the best character.

Also awww CIA girl with a crush. I would love to see Abed and her hook up, even if that would never happen ever.

Samuel (a hoy hoy), Friday, 25 February 2011 08:05 (thirteen years ago) link

Notches joke was lolol

VegemiteGrrl, Friday, 25 February 2011 08:08 (thirteen years ago) link

"It's like God spilled a person."

righteousmaelstrom, Friday, 25 February 2011 17:07 (thirteen years ago) link

Love the running Kick Puncher stuff.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 25 February 2011 17:08 (thirteen years ago) link

They've been killing it the last few eps!

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 25 February 2011 21:52 (thirteen years ago) link

Just got to watch it. Agree the notches gag was ALL TIME.

I think I recognize the Secret Service lady from something, but it's hard to tell with her sunglasses on.

Tired of Magnitude already.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 26 February 2011 03:05 (thirteen years ago) link

pop pop!

polymath & psychics club (Lamp), Saturday, 26 February 2011 03:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Tired of Magnitude already.

impossible

"People in Ireland are walking on Eire." (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 26 February 2011 05:36 (thirteen years ago) link

isn't that the point?

Gukbe, Saturday, 26 February 2011 05:53 (thirteen years ago) link

I think I recognize the Secret Service lady from something, but it's hard to tell with her sunglasses on.

scrubs (i had to google)

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 26 February 2011 07:20 (thirteen years ago) link

oh she was the really blunt/crabby newbie

VegemiteGrrl, Saturday, 26 February 2011 07:32 (thirteen years ago) link

whats her name?

Samuel (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 26 February 2011 07:58 (thirteen years ago) link

blunt crabby newbie?

VegemiteGrrl, Saturday, 26 February 2011 08:03 (thirteen years ago) link

Magnitude absolutely cries out for his own 70s-style iron-on glitter t-shirt (photo of 'tude with "Pop Pop!" written in bubbly, squiggly 70s font underneath).

Son of Sisyphus of Reaganing (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 26 February 2011 14:00 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh anyway, blunt crabby newbie/Secret Service lady is actually Eliza Coupe. Just saw she's going to be on that ABC show Happy Endings with ex-SNL'er Casey Wilson, Elisha Cuthbert and Damon Wayans Jr...yet another in a seemingly endless flood of single-camera multi-relationship sitcoms, but I'll give it a whirl on the cast alone.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 26 February 2011 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link

you're a fan of Damon Wayans's son?

some dude, Saturday, 26 February 2011 15:44 (thirteen years ago) link

Every Wayans, even 2nd generation, is worth checking out once.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 26 February 2011 15:46 (thirteen years ago) link

funniest ep in a while. notches was like an old school simpsons gag

sonderangerbot, Saturday, 26 February 2011 22:13 (thirteen years ago) link

well, he was Riggle's partner in The Other Guys, but he didn't really do much of particular note

some dude, Saturday, 26 February 2011 22:25 (thirteen years ago) link

i did not realise that donald glover was a rapper

just sayin, Monday, 28 February 2011 21:50 (thirteen years ago) link

You beat me to the link! (lulz beatme.)

Mordy, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 18:00 (thirteen years ago) link

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/03/sawyer_is_in_talks_for_communi.html

In short, there will be a paintball sequel and Sawyer from LOST will be a guest.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link

news crawl at the bottom of troy and abed show said paintball canceled this year.

Aerosol, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link

also starburns would like to be called "alex"

Aerosol, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link

news crawl at the bottom of troy and abed show said paintball canceled this year.

Yeah, I noticed this. I was kind of hoping this did mean there would be no attempt at recapturing the magic of that episode, because there's no way it will be as funny. Just like another D&D episode wouldn't ever be as funny, or another Levar Burton episode. I really wanted them to not fall back on stuff already.

rendezvous then i'm through with HOOS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 21:27 (thirteen years ago) link

I trust these guys not to rest on their laurels. They'll up the ante for sure.

Clay, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link

^^ exactly, i give them the full benefit of the doubt right now

some dude, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:55 (thirteen years ago) link

people are speculating that the "western-themed" end of school picnic mentioned in the news crawl might be the real setting for the finale.

accredited butter grader and dairy technologist (reddening), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 22:56 (thirteen years ago) link

i can't believe no-one has mentioned the real world tape.

getting lost guy goes with "air vent monster" on the ticker, so a lost parody is my guess for the finale.

prof slater still missing also one of the ticker news items - what happened? did i miss that episode?

Samuel (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 23:53 (thirteen years ago) link

no, she just stopped being in the show. i think that's the joke.

Mordy, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link

getting lost guy goes with "air vent monster" on the ticker, so a lost parody is my guess for the finale.

Surely "air vent monster" = Annie's Boobs?

"I think I'm falling in love!" (R Baez), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link

that will never stop being funny

goth barbershop quartet (DJP), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, Annie's Boobs is the air vent monster.

Using Josh whatshisface in an actual LOST parody/nod is a little too on the nose for Community imo. They might hint at it (like they did with the Cosby sweater to Malcolm Jamal Warner), but I don't think they'd base a major plot point around it.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link

That ticker is the nifty infodump for the second half of the season, just like Abed's Robocop POV was in the first half.

"I think I'm falling in love!" (R Baez), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link

http://greendalegifs.tumblr.com/

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 08:51 (thirteen years ago) link

Fittingly, Shirley gets the epiphany.

Batman: "What will Europe hold for me, I wonder?" (R Baez), Friday, 4 March 2011 04:09 (thirteen years ago) link

ALSO:

Wherefrom?

Batman: "What will Europe hold for me, I wonder?" (R Baez), Friday, 4 March 2011 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link

entertainment weekly iirc

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 4 March 2011 05:05 (thirteen years ago) link

that site is a goldmine

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh6ijjlqo71qzado8o1_500.gif

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 4 March 2011 08:29 (thirteen years ago) link

the phrase Classic "Wingers" is one of my favorite things ever, don't really know why.

Clay, Friday, 4 March 2011 08:43 (thirteen years ago) link

i want one that is just NOTCHES

was there an episode of this/30 rock last night? i can't find a download.

Samuel (a hoy hoy), Friday, 4 March 2011 14:46 (thirteen years ago) link

last night was six straight episodes of The Office

goth barbershop quartet (DJP), Friday, 4 March 2011 15:07 (thirteen years ago) link

good luck usa

Samuel (a hoy hoy), Friday, 4 March 2011 15:23 (thirteen years ago) link

It was just because they didn't want to get murdered by a particularly big episodes of American Idol in the ratings.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 March 2011 15:30 (thirteen years ago) link

And sweeps is over.

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 4 March 2011 17:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Danny Pudi is on the latest Nerdist podcast

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 17:40 (thirteen years ago) link

and Starburns (Dino Stamatapolous) is on WTF. he doesn't talk about Community much but he does talk about everyone hating Chevy Chase. He says he likes Chase, but thinks Chase needs people to respect him before he can be friendly with them, and the cast is so young that they don't really have much respect for him so it sounds like there's definitely friction. But Stamatapolous also says that Chase is a total dick, and tells a story about him trashing a sketch he worked really hard on for the Conan show.

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link

also describes Chase as somewhat old and confused

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link

so no real surprises there

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 19:39 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't love this show, too many hugs and feelings in it, which is not what i'm looking for in a comedy show. otoh it does bring some pretty decent lols and alison brie is really hot, which i'd never noticed watching mad men.

À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link

thought you were talking about WTF until the bit about Brie

rockapads, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link

don't understand why anyone would think Community has an offensive amount of feewings compared to any other sitcom. if anything its emotional moments are done with more ironic distance and/or imbedded jokes than most other shows.

some dude, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 21:28 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't watch much tv.

À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe it's just code for "I hate Britta and Shirley"?

goth barbershop quartet (DJP), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 21:29 (thirteen years ago) link

and my favourite current show is it's always sunny and favourite of all time is seinfeld so you can see where i'm coming from.

À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 21:30 (thirteen years ago) link

i feel like they spread the emo stuff around fairly evenly.

À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 21:32 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah if those 2 shows are your control i can see how you're approaching the variable

some dude, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link

tbf community laid on the feewings stuff relatively thick in the first season

ullr saves (gbx), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 21:46 (thirteen years ago) link

i totally agree that community has feelings. one of the things i love about the show, but i can understand how someone with absolutely no tolerance for sentiment in sitcoms might be turned off

Mordy, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 22:38 (thirteen years ago) link

sitcom sentiment generally doesn't work for me at all because of the way that it's quite often so arch and the "lesson" or whatever is compacted into a very predictable arc over 20 odd minutes and the resolution at the end is accompanied with an artless song fading in and a realisation etc.

À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link

i get to love a sitcom character because i consistently find the lines they come out with, their foibles, and the performance of the actor doing the character charming and or compelling. not because they have a will they or won't they romance or have to overcome a prejudice or whatever.

À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 00:11 (thirteen years ago) link

and i shouldn't really be shitting up this thread with this, ha.

À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 00:13 (thirteen years ago) link

sitcom sentiment generally doesn't work for me at all because of the way that it's quite often so arch and the "lesson" or whatever is compacted into a very predictable arc over 20 odd minutes and the resolution at the end is accompanied with an artless song fading in and a realisation etc.

― À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:10 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dunno i feel like Community parodied that kind of thing much more than they indulged in it particularly in the first season. which might rub you the wrong way too, but i dunno, seems like a big difference.

JaySeanLilWayne (some dude), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Other people have made that claim on this board too... I never saw that much parody in it tbh.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 00:37 (thirteen years ago) link

sitcom sentiment generally doesn't work for me at all because of the way that it's quite often so arch and the "lesson" or whatever is compacted into a very predictable arc over 20 odd minutes and the resolution at the end is accompanied with an artless song fading in and a realisation etc.

― À la recherche du temps Pardew (jim in glasgow), Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:10 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Didn't Community get children chanting I LOVE DRUGS or something?

Samuel (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link

haha yes it did

ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 19:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Other people have made that claim on this board too... I never saw that much parody in it tbh.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, March 8, 2011 7:37 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

one of the dominant themes of the show is having Abed know (or imagine or whatever) that they're in a TV show and point out sitcom tropes, undercut sexual tension between Jeff & Britta by comparing them to Sam & Diane, etc. it's been less overt this season but still a lot of deliberate building up expectations for emotional payoff and then cutting them off with a joke (Jeff walking in the rain to what you think will be Annie's apartment, etc.). not saying this is the best part of the show or that it completely overshadows the sentimental moments the show does indulge in, but i don't know how you could miss it.

JaySeanLilWayne (some dude), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh, I do see what you're saying there. I guess I just always found many of the storylines and conclusions relatively sentimental and heavy on the-power-of-friendship anyway (esp compared to e.g. the shows jim mentions).

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 20:03 (thirteen years ago) link

i think a lot of that is them just working overtime to establish a bond or rapport between the characters that goes beyond them being in a study group, compared to most shows about families or co-workers or whatever where there's not chance of the viewer going "wait why are they hanging out all the time? don't they have social lives?"

JaySeanLilWayne (some dude), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link

The overarching narrative of the show is about a heartless corporate lawyer learning how to reconnect with people, so the power-of-friendship angle isn't that unsurprising IMO; what I appreciate is the off-kilter, unpredictable way in which they are making that journey AND how Jeff is still retaining an essential core of self-involved narcissism that makes his connections with the other characters more believable.

ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link

Sentiment doesn't bother me if it's earned.

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 20:09 (thirteen years ago) link

I didn't say it bothered me, just that it seems pretty central and evident, even compared to other TV comedies, and I can understand how that puts some people off. It's my favourite show on TV fwiw.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Ditto! <3 Community!

Mordy, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link

Also cannot wait for inevitable Western ep, esp since the Western idiom is so much about community formation.

Mordy, Wednesday, 9 March 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link

greendalewood

JaySeanLilWayne (some dude), Wednesday, 9 March 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link

fat neil takes anthropology with the group in the rerun that is currently on! he didn't just come out of nowhere

Mordy, Friday, 11 March 2011 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Per Variety: NBC renews OFFICE, COMMUNITY, PARKS & REC.

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link

YES! Considering 30 was already picked up, that means at least one more year of fun (and potentially one year of the most awkward Office episodes ever).

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Fuck yeah!

Mordy, Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:58 (thirteen years ago) link

we we we so excited

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link

I just put four notches in the table (labeled "FUN")

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:13 (thirteen years ago) link

should do a community tertiary characters poll to celebrate

nu rave electro banger coked out art school college party (Lamp), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link

great news.

tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Fuck yeah. I wonder what class they'll get stuck in next.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link

xp You don't think Chang would win in a walk?

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link

he's more of a secondary character, isn't he? tertiary would be more like Leonard and Magnitude

some dude, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:18 (thirteen years ago) link

he's more of a secondary character, isn't he?

yeah thats why i want to do a tertiary character poll - like ppl that have been in multiple episodes but not ft'd roles

nu rave electro banger coked out art school college party (Lamp), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Dan Harmon has been talking to people on Twitter about Bioware RPGs for the last two hours and took a break to announce this.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Star Burns, the dean...is the dean secondary though? Because he'd trounce Lenny and 'tude.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link

In that case, I vote for the cute girl who was hanging around with Annie while Britta was mistaking that other girl for a lesbian.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:20 (thirteen years ago) link

there's also abed's roomie whatshisname

sonderangerbot, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link

And Garrett. Fuckin' love that guy.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah garrett is great! looked it up on wikipedia and man this show is packed with amazing peripheral characters, it's not just about annie's boobs

sonderangerbot, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link

i mentioned this on this thread before but it turns out fat neil has been in the background of episodes before his role in the DnD ep.

Mordy, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:31 (thirteen years ago) link

I remember him first being mentioned in the episode before; John Oliver calls on "Fat Neil," and he says, "Um, just 'Neil' is fine." Did he appear before that, though?

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link

he's not even just in the background, is called by his name fat neil in the episode before the DnD one iirc.

or what he said.

tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link

worst tertiary character = john oliver.

tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:34 (thirteen years ago) link

i like oliver. is it a british thing to hate on him?

sonderangerbot, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:35 (thirteen years ago) link

haha jon oliver annoys me but i consider him a 'secondary' character also i started that poll

nu rave electro banger coked out art school college party (Lamp), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:37 (thirteen years ago) link

For some reason, I love Oliver on Community, hate him on everything else. Ditto Chevy Chase.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link

I love Oliver on The Daily Show, less so on Community, and don't really think much of his stand up.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link

i like oliver. is it a british thing to hate on him?

i dunno, i just think he's really unfunny. anecdote about him: some acquiantance of mine saw him do stand-up, in brighton iirc, when he was a total unkown. he bombed and was getting wildly heckled, he started ranting, and not like righteous, witty vituperation, just straight saying, "shut up, you're just too stupid to understand my material". couple of months later he's on american tv. go figure.

tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link

in community i think the writing is pretty weak for him, lots of "in britain we call it a [comedy name for a commonplace thing]" or whatever. like, lol, the wacky brit prof.

tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link

omg best news everrrr, i was legit feeling sorrowful at the prospect of this show getting canceled.

accredited butter grader and dairy technologist (reddening), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:42 (thirteen years ago) link

i just enjoy oliver's delivery of things, even when his lines aren't partic. strong

accredited butter grader and dairy technologist (reddening), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link

The radio show he did with Andy Zalzman, "The Department" was hilarious and his daily show writers would do well to listen to it, much better than his Daily Show stuff.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link

He and Andy still do a weekly podcast, "The Bugle."

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Thursday, 17 March 2011 23:01 (thirteen years ago) link

indeed, but the department was better

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 17 March 2011 23:14 (thirteen years ago) link

i just enjoy oliver's delivery of things, even when his lines aren't partic. strong

yeah this

dom p's rusty Nuts (sic), Thursday, 17 March 2011 23:48 (thirteen years ago) link

annie's boobs mvp of cold open

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 18 March 2011 00:10 (thirteen years ago) link

may. be. we. do.

Mordy, Friday, 18 March 2011 00:16 (thirteen years ago) link

britta's cheekbones MVP of the rest of the show

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 18 March 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link

"sourface"

Mordy, Friday, 18 March 2011 00:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Good ep. Like the incidental use of "Tall Kyle" by Britta - arbitrary throw-away detail.

Comics can't all be syringes and scalpels poised before eyes. y'know? (R Baez), Friday, 18 March 2011 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link

i didn't get the ending (at the table). could someone explain?

bakumastah, Friday, 18 March 2011 01:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Presumably what the actual study sessions are like, minus wacky shenanigans and sub-plots.

Comics can't all be syringes and scalpels poised before eyes. y'know? (R Baez), Friday, 18 March 2011 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link

the devices they were using were progressively more modern, but not sure i got it other than that

rockapads, Friday, 18 March 2011 04:32 (thirteen years ago) link

I didn't see the whole thing because my DVR cut it off. Thought the joke was that Pearce was using a calculator when everyone else was texting or something. What devices were everyone using?

dan selzer, Friday, 18 March 2011 04:37 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah you're right, i re-watched the end. jeff = texting on phone, annie = laptop, shirley = phone texting, pierce = old adding machine, troy droid 2 looking thing, abed = ipad 2 it looked like, britta = txting on phone

rockapads, Friday, 18 March 2011 04:42 (thirteen years ago) link

i think its mostly just an observational joke abt how much time ppl spend texting or w/e when theyre hanging out w/ friends

nu rave electro banger coked out art school college party (Lamp), Friday, 18 March 2011 04:44 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah maybe so. also looked like troy & abed may have both been gaming

rockapads, Friday, 18 March 2011 04:45 (thirteen years ago) link

old adding machine? I'm not THAT old but it looked like just a regular old calculator. Not like he whipped out an abacus or something!

dan selzer, Friday, 18 March 2011 04:54 (thirteen years ago) link

ha, yeah, you're right. guess i was thinking of this http://www.kegcoat.com/howtoguides/AddingMachine.htm

rockapads, Friday, 18 March 2011 05:41 (thirteen years ago) link

I liked the saw jokes, but thought Chang was getting a little too cartoony for even that character.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Friday, 18 March 2011 05:44 (thirteen years ago) link

YES. I absolutely agree.

dan selzer, Friday, 18 March 2011 05:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I dunno, if they're even going to keep Chang in the show, it seems unlikely at this point to ever bring him back down to the "normal" level of the main characters ever again (like say the episode with his ex-wife from last year), so I guess that's why they just keep ramping him up

His best moment this season has gotta be that one at the end of the drug play episode after Shirley forgives him, and he just says "I'll tell Chang when I see him!" with the most stone cold serial killer vibe

Nhex, Friday, 18 March 2011 05:56 (thirteen years ago) link

"...I haven't Chang-ed that many women."

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 18 March 2011 05:59 (thirteen years ago) link

Not the greatest episode, but I'm such a stan for this show now I get untold amounts of joy from things like Troy's "what was that?" after Britta's Genie in a Bottle thing.

Gukbe, Friday, 18 March 2011 06:10 (thirteen years ago) link

speaking of which, this was just posted to Ken Jeong's FB page:

http://www.screenjunkies.com/tv/tv-lists/16-hilarious-animated-gifs-of-senor-chang-from-community/

xp

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Friday, 18 March 2011 06:36 (thirteen years ago) link

This one's so excellent

http://cdn2.screenjunkies.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/chang-chew.gif

Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 March 2011 06:48 (thirteen years ago) link

I see your Annie's boobs and raise you Jeff's nipples.

ThirtyPennies, Friday, 18 March 2011 17:35 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't think Jeff "Nipple Player" Winger is necessarily a reference to his own nipples

some dude, Friday, 18 March 2011 17:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Not the greatest episode, but I'm such a stan for this show now I get untold amounts of joy from things like Troy's "what was that?" after Britta's Genie in a Bottle thing.

Seriously, Donald Glover's timing and delivery on lines like that is fucking genius.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 18 March 2011 17:50 (thirteen years ago) link

i want one of the post-paintball hoodies

Aerosol, Friday, 18 March 2011 17:51 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't think Jeff "Nipple Player" Winger is necessarily a reference to his own nipples

I assumed it was, given the pasties callback at the police station.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 18 March 2011 17:52 (thirteen years ago) link

didn't get the end bit

nultimate fighting champ (cozen), Friday, 18 March 2011 19:27 (thirteen years ago) link

was a joke about what happens when they don't have wacky adventures.

Nult AGL (a hoy hoy), Friday, 18 March 2011 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link

also was a joke about ppl hanging out together everyone on their own little tech device

Mordy, Friday, 18 March 2011 20:24 (thirteen years ago) link

+more Pierce & Annie, who were just in the cold open.

Your cousin, Marvin Cobain (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 18 March 2011 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link

The end was, like, a total lazy, shit joke, which I feel like is really rare for Community.

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Friday, 18 March 2011 20:48 (thirteen years ago) link

It was okay, but even the most half-cooked Troy & Abed in the Morning joke would've been better.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 March 2011 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Pierce made it worth it for me

da croupier, Friday, 18 March 2011 21:02 (thirteen years ago) link

The funniest part about Britta's 'Genie in a Bottle' thing was Britta's 'Genie in a Bottle' thing. It basically set up me laughing at everything Britta said or did for the rest of the episode.

U2 the musical by Spiderman (CaptainLorax), Friday, 18 March 2011 21:05 (thirteen years ago) link

The end was, like, a total lazy, shit joke, which I feel like is really rare for Community.

― ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Friday, March 18, 2011 4:48 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

bring it up w/ yr boys glover and pudi coz it's their bit

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 18 March 2011 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link

i dind't get this joke either. maybe there was some dinosaur pregnancies in the background we didn't notice?

Philip Nunez, Friday, 18 March 2011 21:25 (thirteen years ago) link

I bet Annie's Boobs is running around in the background or something...that, or it's a setup for a future joke.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 18 March 2011 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link

I totally think that's possible and would be awesome, but I also think there's the distinct possibility that sometimes comedy writers write a lazy "observational humor in our wacky future times" joke.

ENERGY FOOD (en i see kay), Friday, 18 March 2011 22:58 (thirteen years ago) link

I saw it as sort of a 'what would each character's style of handheld device be?' conversation between writers, maybe it wasn't supposed to be funny. I was definitely thinking idgi afterward though.

rockapads, Friday, 18 March 2011 23:05 (thirteen years ago) link

i think it was supposed to be "this is what real ppl do when they get together in groups, ignore each other in favor of technology." which is true, but not exactly lols-a-minute.

accredited butter grader and dairy technologist (reddening), Friday, 18 March 2011 23:38 (thirteen years ago) link

i have a friend (A FRIEND!) who's in some sort of D&D-esque gaming group and apparently they've devolved to just sitting around on their laptops ignoring each other.

accredited butter grader and dairy technologist (reddening), Friday, 18 March 2011 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link

The episode confused me because my DVR told me it was going to be the "pulp fiction" episode and then it totally wasn't.

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Saturday, 19 March 2011 00:43 (thirteen years ago) link

was a joke about what happens when they don't have wacky adventures.
― Nult AGL (a hoy hoy), Friday, March 18, 2011 8:22 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

also was a joke about ppl hanging out together everyone on their own little tech device
― Mordy, Friday, March 18, 2011 8:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

really? was that it? guess sometimes community just isn't funny. will have to ~adjust~ to this new information

nultimate fighting champ (cozen), Saturday, 19 March 2011 01:43 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm guessing that it was a way to mess with regular viewers of the show. when the camera turned to pierce i was really expecting something to happen. the idea of a 'how people behave in this situation' joke just doesn't fit with my picture of the show.

english is not my native language so i would appreciate any corrections to my posts. especially when it comes to grammar.

bakumastah, Saturday, 19 March 2011 03:19 (thirteen years ago) link

a lot of their little ending segments are kind of deliberately simple or expectation-defying, and really who watches those and goes "gahh they totally wasted those 15 seconds, i'm losing my faith in this show"

some dude, Saturday, 19 March 2011 03:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Am I missing the joke with the paintball sweatshirt text?

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Saturday, 19 March 2011 03:34 (thirteen years ago) link

I think it was a meta joek about fans who claimed that the show went downhill from that episode

Mordy, Saturday, 19 March 2011 03:46 (thirteen years ago) link

xxp i know but it was the first time that i asked myself 'what just happened?' after the last segment. all previous endings, even if not connected to the plot of the episode, were just simple and straigthforward fun.

bakumastah, Saturday, 19 March 2011 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link

and i never said that those segments have any influence on how i rate this show.

bakumastah, Saturday, 19 March 2011 04:30 (thirteen years ago) link

geez you guys, even my mom "got it" (and enjoyed the observational humor)

U2 the musical by Spiderman (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 19 March 2011 05:17 (thirteen years ago) link

http://cache.reelzchannel.com/assets/content/article/norman_bates.gif

rockapads, Saturday, 19 March 2011 07:06 (thirteen years ago) link

liked the horn gag best

Darin, Sunday, 20 March 2011 04:04 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't think Jeff "Nipple Player" Winger is necessarily a reference to his own nipples

of course not, that's why Troy said "Nipple Player" instead of "nipple-play," and then played with Britta's nipples instead of miming playing with Jeff's, and oh wait

lol kudso (sic), Sunday, 20 March 2011 09:26 (thirteen years ago) link

great britta episode, especially her delivery on the line:
"maybe we do...
may
be
we
do."

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 21 March 2011 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link

This show is excellent at making me crush on whichever female character gets the most screen time in a particular week. Sometimes it's Annie, sometimes it's Britta, sometimes it's Shirley. Also? Man-crush on Troy always.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 21 March 2011 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't think Jeff "Nipple Player" Winger is necessarily a reference to his own nipples

of course not, that's why Troy said "Nipple Player" instead of "nipple-play," and then played with Britta's nipples instead of miming playing with Jeff's, and oh wait

― lol kudso (sic), Sunday, March 20, 2011 5:26 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

haha the R was a typo, i didn't actually think they said "nipple player" -- although agree to disagree about the meaning of the joke i guess

some dude, Monday, 21 March 2011 19:38 (thirteen years ago) link

great britta episode, especially her delivery on the line:
"maybe we do...
may
be
we
do."

Britta has become my favorite character.

Peyton Flanders (Nicole), Monday, 21 March 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link

also yay @ Victor from Dollhouse as the babykilling Russian dude <3

VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 21 March 2011 20:04 (thirteen years ago) link

Britta has become my favorite character.

yeah britta is rad

r u levelled up? (Lamp), Monday, 21 March 2011 20:16 (thirteen years ago) link

I still don't get the whole nipple thing - help me understand it - I must not of been listening correctly.

So Jeff had a nipple mp3 player or more likely he taped his nipples down when he exercised? And what could be embarrassing about playing with Britta's nipples?

U2 the musical by Spiderman (CaptainLorax), Monday, 21 March 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link

amazing

I DIED, Monday, 21 March 2011 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link

this ep made me feel uncomfortable tbh, i dunno

'white people problems' was pretty lol and the other troy/abed stuff technically great but as i say

jeff's hair pissed me off

BIG GERTRUDE aka the steindriver (history mayne), Monday, 21 March 2011 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Dan Harmon got into a mini debate with someone on Twitter re: the tastelesness of making ethnic cleansing jokes

ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Monday, 21 March 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link

I get it...but in the context of him playing Medal of Honor or whatever with Troy and Abed and them wooping it up with him over what a stone cold killer he was as a gamer, it was pretty funny
But I have no morals and am going to hell

VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 21 March 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link

the "debate" itself was kind of lol, it was basically one person saying "maybe that went too far" and Harmon asking "how so?" and the person replying by saying "by going too far" and no amount of requests for expansion or clarification could produce a single concrete example from the complainer as to what he/she was objecting to

ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Monday, 21 March 2011 20:52 (thirteen years ago) link

like, I thought it was hilarious and I could have pointed out three things that were in questionable taste (playing a national genocide for laughs, the unseemly relish with which dude enjoyed killing other people, Troy and Abed translating those atrocities into gameplay without even blinking) so it was amazing to me that this person just wanted to make vague complaints and expected Harmon to be a mindreader

ancient, but very sexy (DJP), Monday, 21 March 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link

hahaha wow

VegemiteGrrl, Monday, 21 March 2011 21:08 (thirteen years ago) link

http://splitsider.com/2011/03/the-dan-harmon-school-of-comedy-writing/

neat little breakdown of how the writing process works

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Tuesday, 22 March 2011 06:11 (thirteen years ago) link

ok the My Dinner With Andre homage and Cougar Town jokes are totally upstaging the so-called Pulp Fiction episode

some dude, Friday, 25 March 2011 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link

Amusingly, that was the entire point.

All posts written by a haunted keyboard, just so ya know (R Baez), Friday, 25 March 2011 00:34 (thirteen years ago) link

"The wardrobe lady gave me new pants."

s.clover, Friday, 25 March 2011 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link

abed's whole cougar town monologue was incredible

symsymsym, Friday, 25 March 2011 04:22 (thirteen years ago) link

I like the fact that there's a five minute stretch where, for all the knowingness I had about the DWA homage while watching, the show actually stops being a sitcom. That was kind of incredible.

Can't wait to watch it again.

All posts written by a haunted keyboard, just so ya know (R Baez), Friday, 25 March 2011 04:40 (thirteen years ago) link

Danny Pudi's opening monologue was delivered so damn well. He is amazing.

sous les paves, Friday, 25 March 2011 04:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Watched this one late because I was away from the tv at 8. I love how it was advertised as one thing that was, in actuality, another. Danny Pudi is amazing.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 25 March 2011 06:41 (thirteen years ago) link

Died at "Cougar Town High School" tbqh.

Richard Stubbs' Tears (King Boy Pato), Friday, 25 March 2011 10:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I loved this episode so much. Danny Pudi was magic.

Peyton Flanders (Nicole), Friday, 25 March 2011 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link

^^^

He had me at "Chad".

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 25 March 2011 13:39 (thirteen years ago) link

where the lolz at this week (over on parks & rec heyooo)

frogbsclovetofu (cozen), Friday, 25 March 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link

things that will never not be funny: alison brie waving a gun around

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 25 March 2011 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link

also MARKET PRICE!!!!!!!

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 25 March 2011 23:20 (thirteen years ago) link

zzp i don't know, i essentially agree that he's much better in small doses than as a main character, at least the way they've been using him for most of this season

WHAT MARKET PRICE

Nhex, Saturday, 26 March 2011 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Joke in the credits - "What market are they shopping at?"

All posts written by a haunted keyboard, just so ya know (R Baez), Saturday, 26 March 2011 01:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Damn did Danny Pudi really do the heavy lifting this ep. Playing Abed playing Andre.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Saturday, 26 March 2011 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Also, I did enjoy Chang doing the hiss entrance to both preview and completely tip his hand as to his function in the episode.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Saturday, 26 March 2011 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link

not sure how i feel about this ep, pudi was obv amazing and i love that they leaked the pulp fiction pics as a total misdirect but i kind of feel like the intentional inconsistency from episode to episode (in terms of tone, style, etc) is a double-edged sword

congratulations (n/a), Saturday, 26 March 2011 02:32 (thirteen years ago) link

agreed, this show is much more versatile and surprising than a single-edged comedy

kris menace isn't even french (sic), Saturday, 26 March 2011 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link

Annie said, "I bet Abed will say 'cool' at least five times!" And then, when they burst into the restaurant, Abed says "cool" FIVE TIMES. Brilliant.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 26 March 2011 17:14 (thirteen years ago) link

Chang doing the Willis reaction during the 'opening the briefcase' scene almost perfectly

Awesome ep...and Ive never seen My Dinner With Andre lol

VegemiteGrrl, Saturday, 26 March 2011 19:34 (thirteen years ago) link

i didn't get it with the sweater, but soon as Abed started recounting the Cougartown story I did. He had Andre Gregory's delivery down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHP7gIpTSOs&feature=related

dan selzer, Saturday, 26 March 2011 19:59 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah it's funny i just saw MDWA for the first time a few weeks ago and really loved it, but it took a couple minutes of staring at his outfit and listening to the way he was talking and going "wait...why is this familiar?" until it struck me.

NO BLOGS WERE INVOLVED. (some dude), Saturday, 26 March 2011 20:26 (thirteen years ago) link

http://thevelvetonion.com/2011/03/25/critical-community-studies/

Did not catch this: Richard Ayoade(from the IT Crowd and a thousand other things) directed this episode.

http://www.nbc.com/Fall_Preview/images/comedy/the_it_crowd/showpages_img.jpg

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Sunday, 27 March 2011 18:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh that's awesome! Love Ayoade!

VegemiteGrrl, Sunday, 27 March 2011 19:55 (thirteen years ago) link

the description of the show in that link is the first time i've ever been made aware of the fact that Community takes place in Colorado or really had any kind of awareness or thought of what state Greendale is int

corkslovetoscrew (some dude), Sunday, 27 March 2011 20:55 (thirteen years ago) link

no-no juice!

Grotjahn in the Moma (Pillbox), Sunday, 27 March 2011 20:58 (thirteen years ago) link

that was amazing. can't wait to see Danny Pudi in a really good movie.

Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Sunday, 27 March 2011 21:53 (thirteen years ago) link

no subliminal diss on Community intended by that last post btw. that was one of the best ever eps imo, paintball-level for definite.

Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Sunday, 27 March 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Danny Pudi is going to have a really nice reel after this show is over, and all of it will be from this show.

reggaeton for the painfully alone (polyphonic), Sunday, 27 March 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link

I always thought Greendale was somewhere in California, but I guess someone would've mentioned the beach by now if that were the case.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 27 March 2011 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link

really nice calling card for Richard Ayoade, too (xpost). Totally want to see Submarine now - had been put off a bit by the trailer which it makes it look like a bit of a Wes Anderson rip-off. I mean, I love Wes Anderson but i'm not interested in seeing a rip-off, seems pointless.

Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Sunday, 27 March 2011 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link

a bit...

Volvo Twilight (p-dog), Sunday, 27 March 2011 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link

(Greendale is in Colorado.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 27 March 2011 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link

whoah totally assumed community was in california, too

FUN FUN FUN FUN (gbx), Monday, 28 March 2011 18:47 (thirteen years ago) link

I <3 jeff in this episode.

Nult AGL (a hoy hoy), Monday, 28 March 2011 18:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm amazed/impressed at how next-level this ep was, and how quickly the show got there. It's their "Treehouse Of Horror VI." (Paintball was their "Marge Vs. The Monorail")

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Monday, 28 March 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Do I need to watch MDWA?

Annie was looking SUPER FUCKING HOT with that look

Nult AGL (a hoy hoy), Monday, 28 March 2011 19:24 (thirteen years ago) link

MDWA is def worth seeing, yes.

corkslovetoscrew (some dude), Monday, 28 March 2011 19:31 (thirteen years ago) link

fwiw, I never saw the movie (I will now), but still caught the reference and the general sense that this was an otm/over-the-top homage. Caught a few clips on YouTube, and wow, Community had that shit down.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Monday, 28 March 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link

i didn't get it with the sweater, but soon as Abed started recounting the Cougartown story I did. He had Andre Gregory's delivery down.

Ditto. Before that I was all DO NOT TELL ME WHAT THEY'RE REFERENCING I'LL FIGURE IT OUT to my wife, who hasn't seen Dinner but read spoilers.

da croupier, Monday, 28 March 2011 20:10 (thirteen years ago) link

i can't wait to watch this season again when it comes out on dvd.

we can't rule out the supernatural no matter how much I would like to (stevie), Monday, 28 March 2011 20:15 (thirteen years ago) link

I watched it on DVR the next night. Soon as he started that story I paused it, said "no way", grabbed my iPhone, came to this thread, saw someone referencing My Dinner With Andre, then said "yup" and went back to the show.

dan selzer, Monday, 28 March 2011 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link

u guys got any sweet community gifs? who's holdin?

flopson, Tuesday, 29 March 2011 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link

oh god I hope I forget about that gif, or else I might find myself watching it loop for a solid hour later on.

Uteruses Before Duderuses (Johnny Fever), Monday, 4 April 2011 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link

[–]relevant_rule34 355 points356 points357 points 13 hours ago*

Is this where the line for novelty accounts start?

While this picture depicts a sexual act between Donald Glover and Danny Pudi, I must admit my genuine admiration for a such an authentic bromance that transcends the television screen - NSFW

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Can't unsee that.

Still had my jacket on...we are fuckin on a steel slab so...

My cum looks really unhealthy.

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Republicans voiced concern about young pages hearing the word uterus (stevie), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 08:45 (thirteen years ago) link

4 glover stans http://www.villagevoice.com/2011-04-13/news/donald-glover-is-more-talented-than-you/

J0rdan S., Thursday, 14 April 2011 07:50 (thirteen years ago) link

He spent eight hours on Saturday, March 12, covered in orange paint for the last day of shooting for Community. (They are revisiting a paintball theme.)

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 14 April 2011 12:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Appears that Stephen Tobolowsky has a role on the show tonight. <3

That's why they call me (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link

<3 times two

Man since I started listening to his podast he has become like my favorite actor ever.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:41 (thirteen years ago) link

awesome!!

<3 cosigned

VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Hahahahahahhahahahahahah

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link

omg that poster

VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link

omg that book

VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link

Oh, meant to post this one:
http://images.buddytv.com/community--2-20--com/btv/1/600027271/1/434/593/0.jpg

That's why they call me (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link

"Who Indeed" !!!! I am already lolling in anticipation of this

VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link

I love the way this show sprinkles more shit to analyze in the background than Lost.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:51 (thirteen years ago) link

In one of the DVD commentaries someone on the cast talks about how they read one of the background flyers on the set, and how hilarious it was. Apparently the art department works insanely hard on these things.

Funky Mustard (People It's Bad) (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Yeah, thats what I was thinking. A lot of the posters in the hallways are just hilarious or off-putting, they clearly have a lot of fun with it.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 14 April 2011 20:59 (thirteen years ago) link

i opened this thread because i thought people would be like "yay community is back," i was totally unprepared for all this gloriousness!

burn me at the stake if you must (reddening), Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:00 (thirteen years ago) link

the concern on Stephen Tobolowsky's face!!

burn me at the stake if you must (reddening), Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:01 (thirteen years ago) link

It makes me incredibly happy that the man who plays Ned Ryerson is the cutest, loveliest man in all of humanity irl <3

VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:03 (thirteen years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkW_ZkMtmlQ

That's why they call me (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link

glee has really suffered for not having him around anymore (among the many other ways glee suffers these days)

burn me at the stake if you must (reddening), Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:04 (thirteen years ago) link

omg Johnny yay!!

VegemiteGrrl, Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:06 (thirteen years ago) link

"How To BreakDance"

nickn, Thursday, 14 April 2011 21:44 (thirteen years ago) link

MY EMOTIONS! MY EMOTIONS!

That's why they call me (Johnny Fever), Friday, 15 April 2011 00:12 (thirteen years ago) link

For homework, drink a glass of cognac in a bathtub.

Funky Mustard (People It's Bad) (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 15 April 2011 00:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Fiddler, please.

Funky Mustard (People It's Bad) (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 15 April 2011 00:27 (thirteen years ago) link

How about Thai? They're like the Chinese Mexicans.

That's why they call me (Johnny Fever), Friday, 15 April 2011 00:28 (thirteen years ago) link

For homework, drink a glass of cognac in a bathtub.

― Funky Mustard (People It's Bad) (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 15 April 2011 01:21 (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Friday, 15 April 2011 06:16 (thirteen years ago) link

I really liked the idea behind Who's The Boss class. I'm glad I didn't open this thread and look at the pictures beforehand.

cold hands of monkeys on my heart (CaptainLorax), Friday, 15 April 2011 06:39 (thirteen years ago) link

what was britta's boyfriend arrested for? creating forgeries of church relics? amazing.

burn me at the stake if you must (reddening), Friday, 15 April 2011 07:47 (thirteen years ago) link

Stephen Tobolowsky writing about his time on the set of Community (warning: will produce warm feelings in your chest where ur heart is):
http://www.thewrap.com/tv/article/stephen-tobolowsky-essay-community-chevy-chase?page=0,0

Mordy, Friday, 15 April 2011 11:16 (thirteen years ago) link

awww

That's why they call me (Johnny Fever), Friday, 15 April 2011 14:04 (thirteen years ago) link

this is def walking the line between viewer and obsessed stan however: some reviewers keep understanding the dynamic between Abed + Tobolowsky as a disagreement over whether Angela or Tony is the boss (with Abed arguing persuasively for Angela in the end). It seemed much more likely to me, tho, (and this is for sure influenced by my own experiences in academia) that Tobolowsky was trying some kind of shticky postmodern reading of the show. One where the answer to 'who's the boss' is complicated and multilayered and where the show is in fact asking serious questions about who is ever the boss and what it means to be a boss. So keeping that in mind it made it all the funnier when Abed was able to pierce that kind of detached scholarship with his own television passion. The answer to 'who's the boss' is not some complex discussion about bosses in general and the relationship between viewership and object, but the simple, "Angela." of course it's really funny the other way too where Tobolowsky has designed an entire course around proving that the boss is tony.

Mordy, Friday, 15 April 2011 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Not seen the show ever, but reading Village Voice story on Glover guy (have never encountered him anywhere) makes me worry he'll kill himself w/ show business.

your generation appalls me (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 April 2011 14:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Mordy, I think you crossed that line a while back :)

Your interpretation is correct, though. I'm surprised anyone is claiming otherwise.

rockapads, Friday, 15 April 2011 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link

V pleased to see Kevin Corrigan

Trip Maker, Friday, 15 April 2011 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link

yes, i love when they reuse older characters. also, the first guy jeff finds who is shot by a paintball in Modern Warfare / the guy who brings Pierce the adnd books in Dungeons + Dragons episodes was also in the theater group with Britta + Troy this episode.

Mordy, Friday, 15 April 2011 16:28 (thirteen years ago) link

MY EMOTIONS! MY EMOTIONS!

― That's why they call me (Johnny Fever), Friday, April 15, 2011 12:12 AM (16 hours ago)

Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Friday, 15 April 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Kevin Corrigan is so great. And that speech at the end about "Because we're not writers" was lololol

Also Abed's "There's a path that's taken and a path untaken. The choice is up to you my friend" made me lololol. Mr Veg thought I was lame for knowing the Whos The Boss theme song but I consider it a point of pride lol

VegemiteGrrl, Friday, 15 April 2011 16:48 (thirteen years ago) link

yes, i love when they reuse older characters. also, the first guy jeff finds who is shot by a paintball in Modern Warfare / the guy who brings Pierce the adnd books in Dungeons + Dragons episodes was also in the theater group with Britta + Troy this episode.

― Mordy, Friday, April 15, 2011 12:28 PM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark

Garrett! He rules! He was also on Troy 'n' Abed In The Morning, doing the weather: "IT'S STILL SUNNY."

Funky Mustard (People It's Bad) (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 15 April 2011 17:13 (thirteen years ago) link

Who's The Boss theme has been in my head ever since Abed quoted it.

Trip Maker, Friday, 15 April 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Your interpretation is correct, though. I'm surprised anyone is claiming otherwise.

OTM.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 15 April 2011 21:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Trevor St. McGoodBody or...David?

Pato ® (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 17 April 2011 04:09 (thirteen years ago) link

http://fuckyeahjeffannie.tumblr.com/

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 05:33 (thirteen years ago) link

oj13
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S C R æ M (Lamp), Tuesday, 19 April 2011 07:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Trevor St. McGoodBody or...David?

― Pato ® (King Boy Pato), Sunday, April 17, 2011 12:09 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i was absolutely dying at this, had to rewind and watch again, etc.

some dude, Tuesday, 19 April 2011 13:20 (thirteen years ago) link

I love the idea of a clip show which features newly made clips.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 22 April 2011 00:07 (thirteen years ago) link

that was really pretty amazing. i want to watch it again right now.

scott seward, Friday, 22 April 2011 00:35 (thirteen years ago) link

oh man henry rollins on the paul reiser show.

scott seward, Friday, 22 April 2011 00:36 (thirteen years ago) link

"tell henry, try getting a sense of humor."

hahaha!

scott seward, Friday, 22 April 2011 00:40 (thirteen years ago) link

The thing where they were all coming in from the lake and Troy said something like "Blame me if you want, but rafts are supposed to go faster if you pop them in the back" KILLED ME.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 22 April 2011 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link

was listening to the season 1 dvd commentaries and they were talking about all the ridiculous slow motion Jeff/Annie youtube tributes, loved how they parodied that

some dude, Friday, 22 April 2011 01:14 (thirteen years ago) link

the whole thing was very inspired.

scott seward, Friday, 22 April 2011 01:18 (thirteen years ago) link

concept of a spoof of a clip show = best idea ever.

Neanderthal, Friday, 22 April 2011 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link

"A leprechaun took our clothes"!

Neanderthal, Friday, 22 April 2011 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link

the cleverer this show gets the less I laugh

Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Friday, 22 April 2011 02:33 (thirteen years ago) link

imo this episode was one of the easiest to laugh at because the laughs were frequent and simple

Neanderthal, Friday, 22 April 2011 02:36 (thirteen years ago) link

seriously. that speech near the end blew me away.

got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 22 April 2011 05:04 (thirteen years ago) link

The Dean Pelton costume montage was fucking brilliant. As was every other aspect of this unfuckwithable episode.

Funky Mustard (People It's Bad) (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 22 April 2011 05:21 (thirteen years ago) link

counterpoint: that episode sucked.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 22 April 2011 05:24 (thirteen years ago) link

OK, that was harsh, but man that was grating. chang used to be funny, and the plot of this episode seemed to draw attention to all the ways the show doesn't make me laugh. britta and jeff's simultaneous break up lines cracked me up though.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 22 April 2011 05:37 (thirteen years ago) link

ah! The montage speech was excelllent! And I loved Dean Pelton's costumes. And Abed as the Cape! Hee hee.

Did anyone else notice that at the very end when Chang walks in that the wide shot of the diorama diorama has a tiny Chang standing outside the room looking in? <3

VegemiteGrrl, Friday, 22 April 2011 05:38 (thirteen years ago) link

great episode

the slow-mo stuff had me in tears

rockapads, Friday, 22 April 2011 06:02 (thirteen years ago) link

we have all but the first two eps of the first season patiently waiting for us on our dvr. everytime the cable fucks up and a guy has to come out our biggest fear is that he'll take the dvr away.

something i learned today: joel mchale was born in rome and baptized in the vatican. crazy.

calling planet smurf (sunny successor), Friday, 22 April 2011 09:44 (thirteen years ago) link

I thought he was born in Seattle

VegemiteGrrl, Friday, 22 April 2011 13:38 (thirteen years ago) link

the cleverer this show gets the less I laugh

u mad

last night was k-classic, I'm getting nervous for the two-part paintball season finale though.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 22 April 2011 13:49 (thirteen years ago) link

it's two parts!?

some dude, Friday, 22 April 2011 14:13 (thirteen years ago) link

i liked 30 rock last night but this episode took the thursday night cake. and even parks & rec was awesome too and this episode still took the cake. 30 rock ended up looking a little lazy with their actual flashback montages. the whole ghost town thing...

scott seward, Friday, 22 April 2011 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link

From wiki:

48 23 "A Fist Full of Paintballs"[52] May 5, 2011 (2011-05-05)[52] 223
49 24 "For a Few Paintballs More"[53] May 12, 2011 (2011-05-12)[52] 224

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 22 April 2011 14:20 (thirteen years ago) link

basically all of the NBC shows were amazing last night

I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Friday, 22 April 2011 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Will those be the first eps not named after college courses?

Johnny Fever, Friday, 22 April 2011 14:22 (thirteen years ago) link

i will even be capn-save-a-Reiser and say the Henry Rollins cameo cracked me up

some dude, Friday, 22 April 2011 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link

ha I just said this on the Parks & Rec thread

I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Friday, 22 April 2011 14:30 (thirteen years ago) link

What is The Cape?

When Abed sneaks up on Jeff in the cafeteria and knocks over his food, I laughed so hard my dad knocked on my door to see what was happening.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Friday, 22 April 2011 14:51 (thirteen years ago) link

The Cape was a failed NBC superhero show from earlier this season. Never saw it, but by all accounts it was awful.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 22 April 2011 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link

IT WAS

I just like… I just have to say… (Starts crying) (DJP), Friday, 22 April 2011 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link

lol at Abed yelling "six seasons and a movie!" about The Cape.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 22 April 2011 15:00 (thirteen years ago) link

I laughed hard about that, and pretty much all the Cape stuff, too

rockapads, Friday, 22 April 2011 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Will those be the first eps not named after college courses?

Abed's Uncontrollable Christmas, I believe, was the first. That may not be the actual title.

Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Friday, 22 April 2011 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Modern Warfare?

rockapads, Friday, 22 April 2011 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link

p sure modern warfare could be a course

just sayin, Friday, 22 April 2011 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link

yah "Modern Warfare" is definitely a course title. and the pilot was just called "Pilot" obv. the only one i'm kind of on the fence about is "Pascal's Triangle Revisited."

some dude, Friday, 22 April 2011 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I guess I'll take your word for it. It's a hard thing to Google, with all of the Call of Duty and Community references.

rockapads, Friday, 22 April 2011 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm sure Modern Warfare is a 101 course at most of the service colleges, and would probably extend into civilian colleges for ROTC programs and whatever.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 22 April 2011 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link

The Cape was incredibly awful, and every single one of those Cape jokes had me rolling

Nhex, Friday, 22 April 2011 17:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Veggie gurl one of his parents taught at the american university in rome so he + his brothers were born there but grew up in seattle. no president mchale!

calling planet smurf (sunny successor), Friday, 22 April 2011 21:22 (thirteen years ago) link

If both of his parents (as opposed to just one) are US citizens, he's in the clear.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 22 April 2011 21:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Naturalization rules are effed up and probably constructed during a Christmas party after everyone had already gotten wasted on punch.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 22 April 2011 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link

i missed the beginning of the whole Cape bit so spent the whole time trying to figure out if it was a callback to his Batman costume in the Halloween episode or something else. need to rewatch that, because i wasted a few hours of my life on episodes of The Cape and could use some cathartic laughs to heal the pain.

some dude, Friday, 22 April 2011 21:35 (thirteen years ago) link

thought this episode was really good

dearth of the hipster (Lamp), Friday, 22 April 2011 21:37 (thirteen years ago) link

i missed the beginning of the whole Cape bit

Troy and Abed were in Abed's dorm room getting ready to watch the premiere episode of The Cape when Britta came in and changed it to the news. 2 or 3 more things happened after that, which I'm assuming it was you saw.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 22 April 2011 21:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Holy shit.

Want to put in a word for the Dean's cartoon as well.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 22 April 2011 23:23 (thirteen years ago) link

well i mean i was watching but distracted during the first few minutes of the show -- so i just missed the line explaining that the reason Abed was wearing a cape was because of the show The Cape

some dude, Saturday, 23 April 2011 00:55 (thirteen years ago) link

"The Traveling Wilburys...of PAIN."

I've seen it in your eyes and I've read it in blogs (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 23 April 2011 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link

OTM

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 23 April 2011 12:04 (thirteen years ago) link

"is that a new stereotype?"

Neanderthal, Saturday, 23 April 2011 13:29 (thirteen years ago) link

trust me i know these vents like the back of my chang

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 23 April 2011 14:59 (thirteen years ago) link

HUMANITY is premiering, you jags!

Funky Mustard (People It's Bad) (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:01 (thirteen years ago) link

the monkey slaps were pretty funny too

VegemiteGrrl, Saturday, 23 April 2011 18:04 (thirteen years ago) link

xp
that and the whole habitat for humanity bit (the dean had a perfect lead in) were the funniest things

poplocking nazis from space (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:01 (thirteen years ago) link

I like how Abed was able to tell by the littlest clue that Jeff and Britta hooked up on the paintball episode but it took him forever to realize they were still hooking up despite the biggest clues ever

poplocking nazis from space (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 23 April 2011 22:05 (thirteen years ago) link

they made out on top of him once, he just hasn't cared to think about it

Unusatralian (sic), Sunday, 24 April 2011 03:53 (thirteen years ago) link

HA!

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lk213vXZVO1qcz48ho1_500.gif

Johnny Fever, Monday, 25 April 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link

YES

Funky Mustard (People It's Bad) (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 25 April 2011 20:13 (twelve years ago) link

WHATS DEAN GOT TO DO WITH IT was possibly the best thing in the whole episode/series/television history.

Also feline aids awareness? obv did not catch that wtf.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 25 April 2011 20:17 (twelve years ago) link

feline aids is an actual thing though

barbaric ya'll (some dude), Monday, 25 April 2011 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feline_immunodeficiency_virus

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 April 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, it's for real. But the joke here is that the dean was just looking for an excuse to dress up like a sexy cat.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 25 April 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link

It's the number one killer of domestic cats.

MEOW-MEOWWWWW

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_NIyxbyYvlU0/SEBV0KjTQdI/AAAAAAAAAN4/GwIRczq4khA/s400/debbie_downer.jpg

barbaric ya'll (some dude), Monday, 25 April 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link

And "whip it in the keister," like cats get feline AIDS by having anal sex.

Or am I the only one that made that connection?

nickn, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 03:35 (twelve years ago) link

on your own there, lol O_o

VegemiteGrrl, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 03:38 (twelve years ago) link

Glee answer fucking hilarious.

Funky Mustard (People It's Bad) (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:38 (twelve years ago) link

vexsten 97 points98 points99 points 2 days ago

Glee club dying (in a flashback from the last episode)--wish of the death of Glee the TV show?

– danharmon 594 points595 points596 points 2 days ago

I have no idea what you mean. There was a glee club at Greendale, and their bus was driving on a rainy night, and a downed power line was hanging across the road, and the bus drove through it, and it sliced through the bus and decapitated everyone, row by row, so that the people in the back had to watch all their friends get decapitated, then they got decapitated, and then the bus drove into a pool of lava. And I guess the crazy thing is, the electricity from the power line somehow kept their nervous systems "alive," so they could feel the lava. They didn't escape the pain of the lava just because they didn't have heads. They felt the lava. It was terrible but it was not metaphorical in any way. I would never be that petty and envious of another show's popularity.

Funky Mustard (People It's Bad) (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:51 (twelve years ago) link

ilu Dan Harmon

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 04:54 (twelve years ago) link

<3

VegemiteGrrl, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 05:02 (twelve years ago) link

Alas.

Several of the writers are quitting because the hours were insane. Other than a three act story, there was no consistent template to the show, so every episode had a week to be conceived and executed from scratch, almost as if we were doing a pilot each week. I still owe my girlfriend an anniversary because I was in the edit bay working on Halloween. My girlfriend can justify it, because she knows how rare and important this opportunity is, and if the show sells in syndication, we get super rich, but imagine being someone that's not getting paid any more to write my show than they would get paid to write Glee, where everyone's clearly home by 5. Imagine having husbands and children and fiances, and coming home at 3am, and when they ask why it took so long, the answer is "Dan decided at eleven pm that it needed to be like The Matrix, not like Popeye." I have no doubt that the writers that worked on season 2 of Community worked harder than any writing staff in the world (so did the cast and crew, but that wasn't your question). I also think they will be proud of the work they did for the rest of their lives.

Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 05:05 (twelve years ago) link

Even if there's big writer turnover on Community, I trust Harmon to hire another batch of good ones. More people get jobs and the concepts stay fresh!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 05:22 (twelve years ago) link

'where everyone's clearly home by 5', ha

j., Tuesday, 26 April 2011 05:38 (twelve years ago) link

dan harmon is clearly the kind of guy I'd want to hang out with.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 06:35 (twelve years ago) link

-[–]danharmon [S] 88 points 2 days ago

I'm sorry about my in-and-outness, trust me, this format will have me coming back for a while, typing about how smart I am to smart people kind of trumps minecraft, but what trumps it all is I am trying to assemble a writing staff of geniuses for season 3 and the only way to do that is to read A LOT OF scripts.

haaaa

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 06:55 (twelve years ago) link

I'm not sure if that quote about season 2 makes me feel better or worse about how up-and-down I've found it to be. It does seem to be a "higher highs, lower lows" situation.

Jouster, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 08:15 (twelve years ago) link

except Modern Warfare and the chicken fingers episodes, those are still my favorites.

(Does anyone else kinda hate how inscrutable the episode titles are? I mean, they make sense if you think about them, but seeing them in a list format is basically useless)

Jouster, Tuesday, 26 April 2011 08:22 (twelve years ago) link

oh my god the clap rape stuff insane

Mordy, Friday, 29 April 2011 00:13 (twelve years ago) link

ok, not rape exactly (i haven't seen indecent proposal) but still O_O

Mordy, Friday, 29 April 2011 00:14 (twelve years ago) link

Make your money, whore.

Funky Mustard (People It's Bad) (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 29 April 2011 00:18 (twelve years ago) link

Wow...umbilical cord.

Funky Mustard (People It's Bad) (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 29 April 2011 00:24 (twelve years ago) link

aw cuet ep

Mordy, Friday, 29 April 2011 00:25 (twelve years ago) link

Dean Magazine Shuts Down After Two Issues
worst idea for a magazine ever

Mordy, Friday, 29 April 2011 00:26 (twelve years ago) link

Jim Rash was killing it tonight

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Friday, 29 April 2011 05:53 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGnwh74mofM

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Friday, 29 April 2011 06:03 (twelve years ago) link

holy shit this episode was next level. britta under the dress was like WHOA.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Friday, 29 April 2011 06:21 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uy8WbRUL_8

if we haven't seen this yet

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Friday, 29 April 2011 06:36 (twelve years ago) link

also, spoiler promo shots for next week:
http://community-tv.livejournal.com/732740.html

Nice choice for Troy's outfit. And Annie's.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Friday, 29 April 2011 06:48 (twelve years ago) link

Between this and P&R, I'm so in love with tv that I don't know what to do.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 29 April 2011 07:23 (twelve years ago) link

that bit was fantastic - channeling her role from The Box

Nhex, Friday, 29 April 2011 11:58 (twelve years ago) link

The bit about fat Neil and the other girl talking about how awesome it was the week they were gone was great! Also love the continued reference to an episode that didn't happen!

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 29 April 2011 13:23 (twelve years ago) link

Also love the continued reference to an episode that didn't happen!

I'm a bit dense but I didn't catch this? Could you explain?

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 29 April 2011 13:30 (twelve years ago) link

During last week's "clip" epsidoe they kept flashing to stuff they did that was never actually aired as part of the show - a fishing trip on St. Patrick's Day, the Habitat for Humanity thing, etc. Last night Fat Neil referenced how great it was when the Jeff and Britta group was gone on that St. Patrick's Day fishing trip since finally one class session wasn't all about them.

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 29 April 2011 13:41 (twelve years ago) link

missed this because I was working late and my wife was watching William & Kate biographies

note to self: adjust DVR schedule

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Friday, 29 April 2011 13:46 (twelve years ago) link

oh hahahaha right. thank you for clarifying!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 29 April 2011 13:49 (twelve years ago) link

Chang was great in this episide

VegemiteGrrl, Friday, 29 April 2011 14:06 (twelve years ago) link

Annie super hot in this one

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 29 April 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link

super boobage, yeah

'what are you, the Hymen Protection League of America?' (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 29 April 2011 16:45 (twelve years ago) link

2001 reference was awesome too.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 29 April 2011 16:46 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, they finally stopped leaning on the way-tired "Chang is pathetic" schtick and let him be awesome.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 29 April 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

See, I liked that way more than the ref-heavy eps - this week's AV Club write-up (they switched around the writing staff for a "second opinion" period) nails why I've been having a hard time w/ it lately.

Grumbling aside, bring on the motherfucking paintball.

Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Friday, 29 April 2011 17:21 (twelve years ago) link

fair-weather Community critics are sounding like that guy saying "too many notes" in Amadeus

da croupier, Friday, 29 April 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

fictional?

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 29 April 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

no, I'm saying they sound like Jeffrey Jones

da croupier, Friday, 29 April 2011 17:35 (twelve years ago) link

they sound like they're glad to be in an Oscar movie for a change

da croupier, Friday, 29 April 2011 17:36 (twelve years ago) link

actually, Harmon himself acknowledged the show needs a certain amount of tweaking somewhere in that reddit thing, but I can't be arsed to find it.

Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Friday, 29 April 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link

wow you mean he doesn't think it's beyond improvement

da croupier, Friday, 29 April 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link

the guy also said on reddit he thought the writers on season 2 will be proud of their work for the rest of their lives so i wouldn't read too much into him feeling the show needs "tweaking"

da croupier, Friday, 29 April 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

I was just sayin', Harmon seems to have a healthy sense of perspective, he's not one of those perpetual self-defenders. I appreciate that he's so open about every aspect of what goes into making a network sitcom.

Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Friday, 29 April 2011 17:57 (twelve years ago) link

Totally, though looking at his Twitter, he's perpetually telling people who think the show isn't kicking ass to fuck off

da croupier, Friday, 29 April 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

underdogs need swagger

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Friday, 29 April 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

In what episode was it that Abed delivered a baby in the background?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 30 April 2011 01:24 (twelve years ago) link

s2e3 the psychology of letting go

Mordy, Saturday, 30 April 2011 01:25 (twelve years ago) link

^^Which as some have pointed out takes place 9 months after the STD fair, when everyone was told not to use the faulty condoms made for the event.

Handjobs for a sport (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 30 April 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

haha woah

hong does your geirden gro (some dude), Saturday, 30 April 2011 17:38 (twelve years ago) link

I keep hoping they'll bring back the pool-playing coach who decried Jeff's hipsterism.

Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Saturday, 30 April 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link

"i only wanted to feed some hungry foodies"

last two episodes have been stellar

sonderangerbot, Sunday, 1 May 2011 22:46 (twelve years ago) link

ha!

joelmchale
@alisonbrie can play Neil Peart’s solo from Rush's "La Villa Strangiato". She admits it gets tricky at min 7:34. #nbccommunitycasttrivia

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link

Is the finale going to be over two weeks, or are they going to double-shoot it tonight?

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link

This week and next.

30 Rock's finale is tonight, though.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 5 May 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link

http://m.thewrap.com/thewrap/pm_105952/contentdetail.htm;jsessionid=1F712BF258A0349A9533A89E862B8063?contentguid=btJLtqBU

Harmon: We’ve become tickled with the mystery of the character. I hate to overanalyze Magnitude, because he’s all in the name of fun. I actually see fans online having arguments about it, and it seems like the argument has to do with the assumption that either this character is a result of the show making fun of the viewer, or it’s a result of a show being stupid. And there’s absolutely no way for it to ever be anything in between. It’s kind of a silly, dumb thing. There’s no thesis that comes with Magnitude.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link

Same here, and while I don't want to be that guy, surely Jeff tweeting at 3AM and then Britta responding means that they're not sleeping together.

― Gukbe, Tuesday, November 16, 2010 2:04 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I knew I was crossing a line as I was typing that.

― Gukbe, Tuesday, November 16, 2010 2:04 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Or, they ARE sleeping together but are creating a Twitter facade to make people think they AREN'T...

(I've been That Guy since the day I was born)

― Baron Strange of Knockin (DJP), Tuesday, November 16, 2010 2:07 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Come on, they're sleeping together. Why else would the show have made a point of Britta knowing what underwear Jeff 'usually' wears on a date?

xpost Plus what DJP said.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, November 16, 2010 2:07 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Surely that's way too subtle, even for Community.

― Gukbe, Tuesday, November 16, 2010 2:08 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

can I just say... lol pwned

Dreaded Burrito Gang (DJP), Thursday, 5 May 2011 22:24 (twelve years ago) link

u guys who was asleep at NBC and let this much joy go out over network tv?!!!!!

Johnny Fever, Friday, 6 May 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link

YAY THIS SHOW!

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 6 May 2011 00:09 (twelve years ago) link

...'Cause you're gay

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 6 May 2011 00:12 (twelve years ago) link

love this show so much gonna middle school pregnant, etc.

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 6 May 2011 00:18 (twelve years ago) link

haha

Johnny Fever, Friday, 6 May 2011 00:18 (twelve years ago) link

What kind of ice cream company does that?

Johnny Fever, Friday, 6 May 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link

Also, I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. Alison Brie has never been hotter in the history of history than she is right now.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 6 May 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link

GENRE SWITCH

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 6 May 2011 00:28 (twelve years ago) link

love that they used Josh Holloway to do a Lost conspiracy type story.

phantompenguin, Friday, 6 May 2011 00:28 (twelve years ago) link

lol

Jeff: Are we The Little Rascals?
Leonard: ...I was.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 6 May 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link

goal: stay alive until next thursday

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 6 May 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link

yeah brie is just ridic

Tuom Sawyer and Fuckababy Finn (some dude), Friday, 6 May 2011 00:31 (twelve years ago) link

team brie

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 6 May 2011 00:31 (twelve years ago) link

can't wait until next week either.... so good

Nhex, Friday, 6 May 2011 00:56 (twelve years ago) link

Holloway is loltrending on twitter but...

alisonbrie Alison Brie
New #NBCCommunity tonight!! EPIC paintball sequel. EPIC Josh Holloway. EPIC tiny outfit on me. DO IT. #fistfullofpaintballs #yesplease

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 6 May 2011 01:25 (twelve years ago) link

that was better than about three-quarters of the movies I've seen in the past couple years.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 6 May 2011 02:03 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, I loved it

but I want a bongo drum (CaptainLorax), Friday, 6 May 2011 03:10 (twelve years ago) link

Excellent ep. "GENRE SWITCH" - yeah! Got a thrill out of that last scene, with the paramilitary types rushing onto the scene, all commanded by a mysterious dude in an ice cream outfit.

Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Friday, 6 May 2011 03:36 (twelve years ago) link

OH, AND: Anthony Michael Hall.

Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Friday, 6 May 2011 03:47 (twelve years ago) link

i greatly enjoyed this television program

-( ☃)*( ☃)- (Lamp), Friday, 6 May 2011 03:47 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, the AMH callback was great. The xmas episode from S1 (which he was in) was the moment I realized this show was absolutely amazing.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 6 May 2011 03:50 (twelve years ago) link

Yayayayayayaayayyay

I love this show so much! The black rider stuff was lololol.

And can I be lol boring girl and spare a moment of sympathy for Annie running w/ boobs akimbo. Looked like it hurt.

VegemiteGrrl, Friday, 6 May 2011 04:56 (twelve years ago) link

This was fuckin' epic. I laughed very loudly at the shot of Abed's intro glance.

Does anybody know what the shot of anim-flames behind Jeff was a ref of?

$10 sez the white-suited commando clean-up crew is a 'Half-Life' ref

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Friday, 6 May 2011 05:04 (twelve years ago) link

can't wait to see mr. tasty unmasked

but I want a bongo drum (CaptainLorax), Friday, 6 May 2011 05:08 (twelve years ago) link

can't wait for a certain GIF.

nickn, Friday, 6 May 2011 05:33 (twelve years ago) link

can't wait to see mr. tasty unmasked

Call back to rival college? I hope not.

Oh, and the girl dancing on the table - "It's the only thing I've ever known!"

Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Friday, 6 May 2011 05:36 (twelve years ago) link

seeing anthony michael hall again at the beginning catapulted me into joy. this show loves its fans.

and: "does anyone have an alliance i can join? i'm really loyal!"

THIS ILLUMINATI RITUAL (reddening), Friday, 6 May 2011 06:27 (twelve years ago) link

can't wait for a certain GIF.

what, this one?

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lkicqxXP591qb01n4o1_500.gif

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Friday, 6 May 2011 06:51 (twelve years ago) link

Also, I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. Alison Brie has never been hotter in the history of history than she is right now.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, 6 May 2011 01:19 (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^this x10000000

I was so sceptical that this could live up to the last episode but OMFG THIS IS AMAZING CAN NEXT THURSDAY HAPPEN ALREADY

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Friday, 6 May 2011 06:57 (twelve years ago) link

frackles, frackles, frackles

Clay, Friday, 6 May 2011 11:26 (twelve years ago) link

omg a. brie

(dies)

Challops Never End (Pillbox), Friday, 6 May 2011 12:29 (twelve years ago) link

^^^^^^^^

imo this episode was more fun than funny, which i wouldn't have said of most of their 'theme' episodes, but i'm not gonna complain about something that was that much fun

Tuom Sawyer and Fuckababy Finn (some dude), Friday, 6 May 2011 15:22 (twelve years ago) link

only just got that their close-up card shots are what card they put towards in the pierce vote and annie was the only one got a red card. also <3 troy and abed seeing each other.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Friday, 6 May 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

Brie = sw00n

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 6 May 2011 20:15 (twelve years ago) link

<3 brie. somehow with the character she plays in mad men, which i had watched all of before i started watching community, i never found her attractive at all, or even potentially attractive, but i have such a crush on her in this show it's unreal.

tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Friday, 6 May 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link

I have not seen one minute of mad men but I find that just impossible to believe

cop a cute abdomen (gbx), Friday, 6 May 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

tbf she was heavily pregnant for a whole season

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Friday, 6 May 2011 20:30 (twelve years ago) link

she's not unattractive in it and if i was to think about it i would concede that she was good looking, but like i wasn't at any stage swooning. yeah the pregnancy didn't help.

tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Friday, 6 May 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

tbh the slowed-down run gif isn't as hot as it was at full speed.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 6 May 2011 20:40 (twelve years ago) link

see. It looks painful!

VegemiteGrrl, Saturday, 7 May 2011 02:14 (twelve years ago) link

i don't get the painful thing. athletic young girl runs. as someone who doesn't have major breasts, are you saying that the bit of flopping around they do will cause major bruising? cos they mostly just hit back and forth on each other.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 7 May 2011 06:18 (twelve years ago) link

not necessarily as extreme as bruising, but ... Okay look, when you run fast, or jump up and down you feel the force of them literally *pulling* down as you run. A bunch of nerves and muscle inside not a whole lot of flesh banging around like that...it's why sports bras were invented.

Sorry for derail

VegemiteGrrl, Saturday, 7 May 2011 06:34 (twelve years ago) link

i don't get the painful thing. athletic young girl runs. as someone who doesn't have major breasts, are you saying that the bit of flopping around they do will cause major bruising? cos they mostly just hit back and forth on each other.

― popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Saturday, May 7, 2011 2:18 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

dude

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Saturday, 7 May 2011 12:23 (twelve years ago) link

Lol.why do you think bras exist, a hoy hot?

tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 7 May 2011 12:45 (twelve years ago) link

A hoy hot

tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 7 May 2011 12:46 (twelve years ago) link

an acceptable derail.

got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 7 May 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

i dunno about this ep tho. i didn't laff alot.

got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 7 May 2011 15:25 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't laugh much but I enjoyed it. Troy coming out of the bin.

tending tropics (jim in glasgow), Saturday, 7 May 2011 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

ts troy out of the bin vs annie out of the bin

Elegant Bitch (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 7 May 2011 16:09 (twelve years ago) link

It was very good, but not full-on fireworks like Modern Warfare or the "holy crap, they're doing a five minute intense monologue" of the My Dinner With Andre ep. They're saving the best for the next ep, I expect.

Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Saturday, 7 May 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link

ts troy out of the bin vs annie out of the bin

vs tracy jordan out of the bin

Let me help you with your URL problems (blueski), Saturday, 7 May 2011 19:17 (twelve years ago) link

Smooth move, Ferguson.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 7 May 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

http://twitpic.com/4qw297

Let me help you with your URL problems (blueski), Saturday, 7 May 2011 23:28 (twelve years ago) link

love this show

da croupier, Sunday, 8 May 2011 12:20 (twelve years ago) link

glad chevy had so much to do in this one, and liked belatedly realizing that for an episode with so much homage, abed stuck to persona and didn't drop much meta

da croupier, Sunday, 8 May 2011 12:22 (twelve years ago) link

said it before, but the fact that character dynamics continue to evolve during these genre episodes, that they're not isolated stand-alones that could have been aired anytime in the season, is really outstanding

da croupier, Sunday, 8 May 2011 12:24 (twelve years ago) link

"Coldplay?"

Handjobs for a sport (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 8 May 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link

too late, bean allergy

Nhex, Sunday, 8 May 2011 16:19 (twelve years ago) link

Will Bill Murray play Jeff Winger's dad? Because Dan Harmon would really really like him to

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 9 May 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link

A+ display name ^

Johnny Fever, Monday, 9 May 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link

haha, thx!

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 9 May 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link

Amy Poehler also wants Bill Murray to play the mayor on Parks and Rec, so basically I hope he ends up doing a guest spot as the guy who owns the fake vomit company on the series finale of Outsourced

A B C, Monday, 9 May 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link

Maybe he'll be the new manager on the Office, too.

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 9 May 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

replaces alec baldwin at kabletown

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 9 May 2011 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

As long as Chase is on Community, I don't think there's any chance Murray will be on it. Pretty sure they still despise each other.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 9 May 2011 22:19 (twelve years ago) link

which is why they want him? for the meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetaaaaaaaaaaa.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Monday, 9 May 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link

Dunno why I thought it was supposed to be an hour tonight, but it wasn't. :(

(Last week's half was better.)

Johnny Fever, Friday, 13 May 2011 00:32 (twelve years ago) link

um... is Chevy gone for good?

The Brainwasher, Friday, 13 May 2011 00:37 (twelve years ago) link

i doubt it, but they clearly want people to ask that

some dude, Friday, 13 May 2011 00:41 (twelve years ago) link

imo they're probably just trying to redeem/reboot the character so that they're not stuck in the dynamic of them tolerating or thinking about ditching him over and over

some dude, Friday, 13 May 2011 00:42 (twelve years ago) link

Everyone's reaction to Magnitude killed me. I'm so easy when it comes to stuff like that.

Gukbe, Friday, 13 May 2011 03:44 (twelve years ago) link

What is he trying to say?? POP WHAT??

Nhex, Friday, 13 May 2011 03:48 (twelve years ago) link

lol'd @ cougar town actors in the background

not really as fun/good/enjoyable as last week but i was surprisingly touched by pierce's speech @ the end of the episode

think this was a really season tbh & is probably my fave sitcom on right now

funperson (Lamp), Friday, 13 May 2011 03:49 (twelve years ago) link

I know they acknowledged within the episode that Star Wars themed shows are lame, but really...Star Wars themed shows are lame.

Didn't think it was at all as good a finale as I was expecting.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 13 May 2011 03:50 (twelve years ago) link

They abandoned the Star Wars thing pretty quickly though, aside from Abed's Han Solo. Thought Troy's 'death' and the rain of paint on Annie/Abed was great.

Gukbe, Friday, 13 May 2011 03:55 (twelve years ago) link

lol'd @ cougar town actors in the background

haha, I was all, "Hey, isn't that Busy Phillips? What's she doing there?" Didn't make the Cougar Town connection.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 13 May 2011 05:24 (twelve years ago) link

What is he trying to say?? POP WHAT??

This killed me.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 13 May 2011 05:25 (twelve years ago) link

omfg i think i would have kissed abed during that. also annie covered in paint is still super hot.

really think they need a garrett and magnitude spin off where they fight crime.

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Friday, 13 May 2011 06:13 (twelve years ago) link

I DON'T TAKE ORDERS FROM GIRLS, BECAUSE THEY NEVER TALK TO ME

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Friday, 13 May 2011 06:14 (twelve years ago) link

I liked the throwaway gag that there's one Denny's in town Leonard is banned from.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 13 May 2011 06:17 (twelve years ago) link

Oooh you are in trouble now. Jeff Winger's study group are baller, yo. Hope you like getting balled...

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Friday, 13 May 2011 13:03 (twelve years ago) link

imo this week was funnier than last week

some dude, Friday, 13 May 2011 13:40 (twelve years ago) link

I actually found this episode kind of beautiful, also hilarious. (Might be that I've still never watched Star Wars awake all the way through.) Also, Brie has been dizzyingly hot in the last two episodes.

This season might be my favourite season of any TV show ever.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 13 May 2011 21:17 (twelve years ago) link

Abed and Annie kissing in the paint rain kind of epitomizes all of those qualities.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 13 May 2011 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

Foreshadowed by the tryst between Hector the Well-Endowed and the elf maiden in Advanced Dungeons and Dragons.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 13 May 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link

Abed was ridiculously endearing as Han, would snog cosigned. Dude is amazing, such a chameleon

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 May 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link

Danny Pudi deserves some kind of award.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 13 May 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link

Foreshadowed by the tryst between Hector the Well-Endowed and the elf maiden in Advanced Dungeons and Dragons.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, May 13, 2011 5:33 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark

and even earlier by Abed's Don Draper act working a little too well on her

I may be banned but I'm perfectly good at it (some dude), Friday, 13 May 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

"Look alive, everyone. Close enough, Leonard."

"I like to wear tops that show my cleavage and show off my ladies," (sic), Saturday, 14 May 2011 02:20 (twelve years ago) link

"I guess I'll see you in hell then!"

Nhex, Saturday, 14 May 2011 02:43 (twelve years ago) link

Saw Kevin Corrigan, Alison Brie and Joel McHale having dinner at Momofuku Ssam Bar last night, before they all hit the Donald Glover show (wife also reckons the posse's in town for the NBC upfronts). Had to scooch around McHale in the aisle at one point and I think he might be taller than me (6'3to4") in his cowboy boots.

da croupier, Sunday, 15 May 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

Finally watched this. Great stuff. "First of all, pop POP"

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 16 May 2011 03:01 (twelve years ago) link

Pretty good greatest hits package for Troy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGXCngD0yyA

Johnny Fever, Monday, 16 May 2011 03:19 (twelve years ago) link

jugglenopter?

j., Monday, 16 May 2011 05:27 (twelve years ago) link

storm-troopin city college knob gobblers

j., Monday, 16 May 2011 05:40 (twelve years ago) link

Love this show, and I've finally caught up with ILX and don't have to keep avoiding the thread. Loved the ice-cream dude turning out to be the City college dean, we need more of him.

I much preferred the embarassing trying-too-hard Pierce from S1 to the evil cave troll of the second season so I'm glad they redeemed the character at the end. Final episode needed more Chang though.

Matt DC, Monday, 16 May 2011 11:26 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i rewatched season 1 recently and Pierce has SO many hilarious lines, i hope they can get him back on track now

suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Monday, 16 May 2011 13:08 (twelve years ago) link

His exit seemed pretty final though...

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 16 May 2011 13:32 (twelve years ago) link

Did we know before that he'd been in Community college for 14 years? Poor dude.

Caught on late - only noticed the "Black Rider's*" 'sonofabitch!' in my second viewing.

*You know he's not riding anything, right..?

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 16 May 2011 13:44 (twelve years ago) link

His exit seemed pretty final though...

?? He specifically said he was going to be on the show next year, but not in the study group in thr first episode

only noticed the "Black Rider's*" 'sonofabitch!' in my second viewing

I haven't seen it a second time yet, but I'll be looking for that. It just occurred to me that Michael Emerson would make a pretty great professor of something on this show.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 16 May 2011 13:53 (twelve years ago) link

oh god. yes. now I want systematic Lost-actor appearances in every episode.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 16 May 2011 13:59 (twelve years ago) link

?? He specifically said he was going to be on the show next year, but not in the study group in thr first episode

― "I like to wear tops that show my cleavage and show off my ladies," (sic), Monday, May 16, 2011 9:47 AM (12 minutes ago)

Oh. Fair enough. I never read anything about it.

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 16 May 2011 14:01 (twelve years ago) link

no, I mean in the scene itself

He said I'm not going to be in the study group in the first episode?
Seriously though I thought he just said he was done with it.

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:02 (twelve years ago) link

Figured he was implying his character was still attending the school, but it was unclear to me if they'd ever interact with him again based on the conclusiveness and drama in that last scene.

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:03 (twelve years ago) link

it's not like you never see Greendale students who aren't in the study group on the show

suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:05 (twelve years ago) link

i mean he could become Leonard-with-more-screentime for a few episodes or something

suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

I'm just saying based on the tone of that whole scene it didn't seem like he has ever coming back, but yes the fact that he said he'd still be attending the school rather than saying he was done with everything hints at them winning him back somehow.

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:16 (twelve years ago) link

was*

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:16 (twelve years ago) link

Or at least continuing the show in general.

Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:17 (twelve years ago) link

They won't be able to cope without Pierce in the group, they'll descend into even worse infighting than usual.

Matt DC, Monday, 16 May 2011 15:21 (twelve years ago) link

I much preferred the embarassing trying-too-hard Pierce from S1 to the evil cave troll of the second season

This and the new version of Chang are s2's only weaknesses imo.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link

all the blog thinkpieces about how one or both of them is ruining the show or whatever are pretty ridic though

suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Monday, 16 May 2011 15:54 (twelve years ago) link

If this show is going to for seven years, it's going to need to somehow roll out the red carpet for my mom in the third season, without alienating the fans that we have who love nothing more than the unpredictable nature of the show, people I'm compulsively unable to betray because I'm one of them.

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/05/dan_harmon_showrunner_transcri.html

da croupier, Monday, 16 May 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link

I haven't read any blog thinkpieces about this show. Like I said, I think s2 could be my favourite season of any TV show I've seen. I just think those two characters have grown weaker this season.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 16 May 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

I seem to be in the minority for thinking S2 Abed is the problem.

Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Monday, 16 May 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link

probably, yeah! Abed's been killing it.

suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Monday, 16 May 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link

If you think there's a "problem" with S2 it's you

da croupier, Monday, 16 May 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link

i'm not v communal because i want s3 to be mostly just be about troy abed and annie

school of seven bellhops (blueski), Monday, 16 May 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

I seem to be in the minority for thinking S2 Abed is the problem.

SB

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 16 May 2011 18:36 (twelve years ago) link

:P

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 16 May 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link

the idea of the Abed character frequently seems like it should be so lame and meta and tryhard but the actual execution of the writing and how Pudi's played it has so often been just amazing

suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Monday, 16 May 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link

nothing wrong with Pudi's performance at all, I just don't think it redeems the, as you say, lame meta-ness

Simon H. Shit (Simon H.), Monday, 16 May 2011 18:55 (twelve years ago) link

i'm with some dude - it totally does! i mean that My Dinner With Andre episode basically redeemed him for the lifetime of the entire series

cool x 5

Nhex, Monday, 16 May 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link

I even really like the idea of Abed's character, actually.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:19 (twelve years ago) link

early in the show's run when Abed's whole participation in the show was just the occasional one liner addressed out beyond the 4th wall, i didn't care for him, but now he just kind of busts through the wall and sprints around the room in these increasingly entertaining ways.

suggest ban the subbest man (some dude), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:24 (twelve years ago) link

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll44uuLFTx1qa37hco1_500.gif

balls, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:27 (twelve years ago) link

great show

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:39 (twelve years ago) link

xp lol wow didn't even catch that

Nhex, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:42 (twelve years ago) link

just got that.

Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 01:45 (twelve years ago) link

lol I just got that now

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:00 (twelve years ago) link

Holy fuck, brilliant.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 02:04 (twelve years ago) link

looooooooooool

popular gay automobile (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 17 May 2011 04:21 (twelve years ago) link

Re-watching s1 and in the cold open of the Christmas episode... Jeff seems to have jizz in his hair?

WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Monday, 23 May 2011 00:20 (twelve years ago) link

if you're in town, going on tomorrow night:

http://www.meltcomics.com/blog/2011/05/08/nerdmelt-presents-danharmon-harmontown-5232011/

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 23 May 2011 06:11 (twelve years ago) link

abed in cougar town cameo hilarious

Mordy, Thursday, 26 May 2011 01:37 (twelve years ago) link

I will now watch my first episode of Cougar Town.

Ramen Noodles & Ketchup (R Baez), Thursday, 26 May 2011 01:54 (twelve years ago) link

Show's actually not bad, but not really amazing either. Kind of like season 4/5 Scrubs.

Nhex, Thursday, 26 May 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link

Wait, did Abed show up already?

Nhex, Thursday, 26 May 2011 02:07 (twelve years ago) link

yes. got my biggest lol of the night.

Mordy, Thursday, 26 May 2011 02:08 (twelve years ago) link

Was he Abed or Danny Pudi?

WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 26 May 2011 04:03 (twelve years ago) link

I think it's pretty clearly a reference back to My Dinner with Abed

Mordy, Thursday, 26 May 2011 04:04 (twelve years ago) link

The trade is complete between the two shows

Nhex, Thursday, 26 May 2011 04:27 (twelve years ago) link

I know it was a ref but was he Abed as a character or just an actor as a character?

WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 26 May 2011 04:57 (twelve years ago) link

well, they didn't call him by name and probably either interpretation is valid. i think it's clearly abed tho, since he pretty much does what he says he did in the Dinner with Andre ep

Mordy, Thursday, 26 May 2011 04:59 (twelve years ago) link

OMG. Youtube please.

Matt DC, Thursday, 26 May 2011 08:48 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4recvP3lNw

Black Arkestra, Thursday, 26 May 2011 10:41 (twelve years ago) link

ha omg

WHO THE FUCK READS THE (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 26 May 2011 10:48 (twelve years ago) link

nice!!

Nhex, Thursday, 26 May 2011 11:50 (twelve years ago) link

Haha I realised I was intently watching for subtle signs of the pants pooping moment but hell they really went to town on that.

Matt DC, Thursday, 26 May 2011 12:16 (twelve years ago) link

HA AH HA A h ahha hahaa

got electrolytes (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 26 May 2011 15:00 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't even notice Abed in the background until my husband texted me (he was watching elsewhere) with "Abed is on Cougar Town!!" I got the text about 7 seconds before the end of the scene. I am seriously unobservant.

Also, I like Cougar Town a lot more than I want to. Buck's sad/happy songs last night brought serious lolz.

franny glass, Thursday, 26 May 2011 15:47 (twelve years ago) link

i'm not sure how i felt about the Scrubs cameo. that show really destroyed any good will it had left w/ me by the end of the run.

Mordy, Thursday, 26 May 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

well, they didn't call him by name and probably either interpretation is valid. i think it's clearly abed tho, since he pretty much does what he says he did in the Dinner with Andre ep

― Mordy, Thursday, May 26, 2011 12:59 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

haha it actually really bugged me that Courtney Cox wasn't in the scene since that was part of Abed's story

some dude, Friday, 27 May 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

Dan Harmon's on WTF today:

http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episodes/episode_179_-_dan_harmon

I'm enjoying the ep so far, but am amused that Maron does a harsh left turn when they get into nerd shit and has to escape to safer territory as it were

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 30 May 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

Come play minecraft with dan!

--
@danharmon

Servercraft fixed old server...let's open to fans, see what happens? Respect each other's stuff. sc31.servercraft.co:1893
---

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Saturday, 4 June 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

I don't play minecraft but I'm guessing that he just opened a can of worms

Muttley vs. Mumbly (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 4 June 2011 17:55 (twelve years ago) link

right now nothing about this show makes me laugh harder than the dynamic between Chang and Britta

a http://bit.ly/kv895M (some dude), Saturday, 4 June 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link

After an initial burst of enthusiasm, I sorta drifted away from this show in the middle of S1. Largely because, despite my proselytizing, absolutely no one I knew was watching it, and I had no one to share my love with (outside of ILX, obvs). So once I discovered recently that absolutely everyone I know has apparently been watching it (and proclaiming its greatness) since I quit, I did a two-season mainline last week. And, not to toot my own horn overly much, I'll be damned if the show didn't do exactlywhatI predicted.

Aside from all of the undeniable discussion upthread about Community being an amazingly funny, well-written, and well-constructed show, Community now occupies a special place in my heart reserved for those rare comedic works that are legitimately funny in the pursuit of something more profound than belly-laughs (The Larry Sanders Show and Marc Maron's aforementioned WTF podcast spring immediately to mind). The framework upon which this show hangs is basically a long-form exploration of interpersonal dynamics and what constitutes the concept of community in the 21st Century. I don't think it would've been as apparent had I watched this on a weekly basis for the past two years, but it I'm in awe of the writers' weekly employment of what would have been, in lesser hands, a laundry list of stock sitcom conflict as an ongoing exploration of the difficulties inherent in coexistence with others and the importance of learning to resolve those conflicts* and deal with everything from fleeting insecurity to full-blown psychosis if we want to be part of a larger community. Which strikes me as a really important and admirable and ambitious project in and of itself, even beyond the fact that the show is funny as shit. So, yeah: two seasons in, easily one of the best shows ever made.

And for those that haven't, I want to strongly recommend listening to Dan Harmon's WTF interview. As has so often been the case with that show, it's made me love someone who I already liked an awful lot.

*I might be tempted to think I'm overreaching somewhat with the lofty goals I'm ascribing to the show if it weren't for the extent to which the writers bend over backwards to resolve the lingering conflict which other sitcoms (and narrative entertainment in general) tends to perpetuate for the sake of tension. The goal in terms of character interaction seems to be making sure, in the least sappy way possible, that everyone figures out how to get along. Which I think, in retrospect, is a large part of the reason why I felt really uncomfortable whenever a character (Pierce towards the end of the season, the Shmitty kids) intentionally stirred up a hornet's nest. I kinda feel like a serious book could/probably will be written about this show. And probably already exists in Harmon's head.

SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 5 June 2011 06:15 (twelve years ago) link

Rewatching season 1 and its amazing how quickly this show hits its groove

da croupier, Sunday, 5 June 2011 12:52 (twelve years ago) link

also I'm so used to cable TV pacing now that two seasons of a network series feels like 4.

da croupier, Sunday, 5 June 2011 12:53 (twelve years ago) link

Sneezed OTM.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 6 June 2011 02:38 (twelve years ago) link

Danny Pudi threw out the first pitch at a White Sox game today. Disappointed, I pegged him as more of a Cubs fan type.

the fey bloggers are onto the zagat tweets (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 June 2011 02:57 (twelve years ago) link

Massive Harmon interview/season 2 overview (part one of FOUR!): http://www.avclub.com/articles/dan-harmon-walks-us-through-communitys-second-seas,57085/1/

I want to always make sure that all of these characters can all be worlds and universes in and of themselves. And I just felt obstacles there with Shirley, and I felt like I just wanted to make her human. So I had her make out with Chang in the bathroom.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 14:43 (twelve years ago) link

love that Harmon feels the same way about Basic Rocket Science as i do

Shippie_Ipley_Dope (some dude), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

great, great stuff. dude is a mad genius.

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 June 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

Part two is full of gems:

And I remember one of the notes on that from the studio was, “I don’t understand why they’re going out drinking.” “Because Troy’s turning 21.” “Yeah, but why does that mean they have to go out drinking?” “I don’t know, man.” That just goes to show you that one of the inherent problems of the old world of television, which is that 1 percent of the country is controlling what 99 percent sees. And I think, in their world, on your 21st birthday, your pony gets a different haircut.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

lol thats great

just sayin, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

that would be a pretty cool 21st tbh

just sayin, Wednesday, 8 June 2011 16:01 (twelve years ago) link

Posted: Tue., Jun. 7, 2011, 4:00am PT

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118037818/

'Community' student Abed analyzes the Emmys
Pop culture guru ABBA-plectic about Emmys

By Abed Nadir

Hi, I'm Abed Nadir, a film major at Greendale Community College. The editors of this paper have asked me to share my 2011 Best Comedy Emmy pick, I'm assuming as part of some diversity program.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Wednesday, 8 June 2011 23:31 (twelve years ago) link

man that thing i hilarious

51 Cent (some dude), Thursday, 9 June 2011 00:03 (twelve years ago) link

OK, I had watched a couple of episodes of this show and found them faintly amusing, but I saw the "clip show" episode last night, and man. I totally need to catch up, because that was great.

jaymc, Thursday, 9 June 2011 00:17 (twelve years ago) link

(And I probably even missed a lot of in-jokes/references.)

jaymc, Thursday, 9 June 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link

actually i wouldn't say the clip show was that heavy on in-jokes, although a lot of the humor did play off of established character traits and common storylines

51 Cent (some dude), Thursday, 9 June 2011 00:23 (twelve years ago) link

I like Harmon's statement, on WTF, that the show is precisely calibrated to be both new-viewer friendly and seem like the most self-referential thing imaginable to the super-fan.

My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Thursday, 9 June 2011 00:23 (twelve years ago) link

from part three, posted today:

I think there was an element in there at one point where we were going to mirror Chevy [Chase]’s biography in a strange way, not in an obnoxious way, but hopefully in a profound way. That this play for kids was actually going to mirror Saturday Night Live’s first season. [Laughs.] That’s why there’s bee costumes involved, because the legend is when Chevy returned to host Saturday Night Live in its second season, he and Bill Murray got into a fistfight backstage that a killer-bee-clad John Belushi had to break up and shove Chevy out for his monologue. And that you could see Chevy coming out, kind of being pushed out, or that he was just in fisticuffs with Bill Murray because of something he said. These legends, probably none of them are true, but that is why there are bees. I think we were going to build to some kind of weird scuffle backstage.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 9 June 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link

I remember there was a complication in there somewhere. This is the Pierce complication. There was this original plan that we were going to trace his addiction to painkillers from the moment he broke his legs in “Trampoline,” and then we were going to have him go down a rocky road with pills, culminating in the hospital episode. But it was built around this idea that Chevy had asked for a week off in there. So we’d built a whole thing around this thing, so we were like, “Week off to Chevy, that’s great. We can build a story around that.” And so that’s why he’s unconscious on a park bench at the end of Valentine’s Day. The idea is that the next episode would have been the only episode without Pierce in it at all. That he would be missing, and then they would find him and then go to the hospital. We were breaking those stories about him being missing when Chevy found out the reason we were so gung-ho about him taking a week off is because we wouldn’t have to pay him. Then his agents wanted to be paid for the week he was gone, and we were like, “We’re not fucking paying you not to be here.” So everything fell apart, and we just jumped from Valentine’s Day to “He’s in the hospital” and stuff. That’s unfortunate.

ooooh, i remember feeling like that was weird

Nhex, Thursday, 9 June 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link

NBC is selling a Notches T-Shirt.

Mucho! Macho! Honcho!: Turn Off The Dark (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 16 June 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link

Yvette just posted a photo on twitter of "dvd commentary day". I'd love to hang around that studio and re-watch episodes with all the creators and cast.

Alpaca Lips (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 16 June 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/JvZcS.jpg

Alpaca Lips (Johnny Fever), Thursday, 16 June 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

Ack! Can't wait for that!

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 16 June 2011 23:20 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/emmys-communitys-dan-harmon/#more-141211

‘Meta’ isn’t even a word.

lol j/k simmons (history mayne), Sunday, 19 June 2011 23:40 (twelve years ago) link

DEADLINE: Why did you pick a community college as a sitcom setting?
HARMON: I went to community college in Glendale when I was 32. I had an emotional experience there that I bookmarked for mainstream television. A fish out-of-water experience. I became part of a little study group in community college and started caring about strangers. It gave me insight into what an asshole I was. I saw that I had only lived half of a life. I was playing this game where I was going to be a great TV or film writer some day and there was nothing else that I thought about, including other people.

this is interesting, i'd never heard anything before about the show's premise having an autobiographical origin. kind of a good way to circle back to the concerns itt back when the show started that it was just mean ridiculing of community college from people who just think of it as a punchline and have no personal experiences in a place like that.

The bigman from the glorious 'e street' band (some dude), Monday, 20 June 2011 01:33 (twelve years ago) link

he talked about it a few times

Samuel (a hoy hoy), Monday, 20 June 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link

oh i'm sure he has, but i've read a ton of interviews w/ the guy and it'd never come up in any of those, so it was a mild surprise to me

ForbezDVDelsen (some dude), Monday, 20 June 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link

and hadn't been mentioned itt either

ForbezDVDelsen (some dude), Monday, 20 June 2011 19:14 (twelve years ago) link

its been on the wikipedia page forev

flopson, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link

im sorta ashamed of how much i like this show

Lamp, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link

d.harmon interviews def not doing anything to alleviate that feeling either

Lamp, Monday, 20 June 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

dude is thoughtful -- even tho I've read so much material from him since season finale that I kinda feel like: dude, you have too much free time! make something shiny and new and stop talking about your perfect show!

Mordy, Monday, 20 June 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link

That huge thing he wrote for Onion AV Club is a good read but really really long. Dude must love writing about himself whole lot.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 20 June 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link

p sure that was transcription

underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have pwned (sic), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 00:02 (twelve years ago) link

yes it was an interview w/ harmon, not written by harmon himself.

Clay, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 01:56 (twelve years ago) link

adam bruneau as joe morgan in moneyball

balls, Tuesday, 21 June 2011 02:01 (twelve years ago) link

lol

more delta than delta (symsymsym), Tuesday, 21 June 2011 02:35 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

so I was reading Futebol, a 2002 book about soccer in Brazil, and I came across:

"In Sao Paulo crowds would hold up different colored cards to form an image visible at a distance - a technique that was popularized internationally decades later at the 1980 Moscow Olympics. Brazil were streets ahead of the rest of the world."

get at me frog (symsymsym), Thursday, 7 July 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link

Rewatched the first season last weekend. Didn't realize how much the Dean's Dalmatian Furry fetish was set up.

Gukbe, Thursday, 7 July 2011 17:59 (twelve years ago) link

Streets Ahead is a dance and performing arts school in Ireland. Located in Dublin, its junior crew placed 3rd in the World Hip hop Championships 2006. Three more teams from the school qualified for the world Hip Hop Championships in 2007. In which the junior crew placed 4th.The junior also received second place in Eurobattle qualifiers 2007 and were asked to travel to Portugal to participate in a competition.

President Keyes, Thursday, 7 July 2011 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

sym3: holy crap! awesome

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 7 July 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link

I never quite understand this: "streets ahead" has been a phrase as long as I can remember - perhaps it is just a britishes thing?

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:19 (twelve years ago) link

ah, I had never heard it before Community. /Canadian

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

I think Harmon used it because someone tweeted "Big Bang Theory is streets ahead of Community," so he made it the catchphrase of the douchiest character.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

there's a Harmon interview somewhere where he talks about how he thought "streets ahead" was just that one guy's weird jargon and then felt silly when it turned out to be a somewhat widely used phrase

some dude, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link

I know I'm not a good judge of ubiquity here since I'm a massive Anglophile but that is hilarious to me

DJP, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link

"Stop trying to make it work, England"

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link

also it was Modern Family that was streets ahead

some dude, Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

Didn't realize how much the Dean's Dalmatian Furry fetish was set up.

the beauty is that it wasn't just the endpoint that was set up—it was the process of something 'awakening' in him

j., Thursday, 7 July 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link

did not know it was a britishes thing, though googling made it clear /Canadian (I think I need this tag for all my posts)

get at me frog (symsymsym), Friday, 8 July 2011 02:19 (twelve years ago) link

This is a really funny show. Good time for the US sitcom at the moment.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 10 July 2011 22:11 (twelve years ago) link

Not right this moment though, they're all on summer holidays.

that was the last arrow in my quiver of whimsy (Ned Trifle II), Sunday, 10 July 2011 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

WOULD THAT THIS HOODIE WERE A TIME-HOODIE

bro, die (some dude), Sunday, 10 July 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link

lol i find 'streets ahead' hilares now but it is an unremarkable phrase in britland

would s*m*a*s*h 1994 (history mayne), Sunday, 10 July 2011 23:06 (twelve years ago) link

"Streets Ahead" may even have been a brand at C&A, iirc which I probably don't.

kinder, Monday, 11 July 2011 00:05 (twelve years ago) link

Streets Ahead is still a way lame phrase.

President Keyes, Monday, 11 July 2011 01:13 (twelve years ago) link

it sounds like an alternate title for "the warriors" no?

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 11 July 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link

Not right this moment though, they're all on summer holidays.

Two of my favorite sitcoms are on right now so it ain't too shabby.

polyphonic, Monday, 11 July 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

Well, comedies anyway.

polyphonic, Monday, 11 July 2011 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

funny how this show entered, with its 2nd season, the sort of indulgent, adventurous phase that many shows don't reach until much later. i def. enjoy all the "concept" episodes, although the "documentary" one was relatively naff.

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 11 July 2011 20:57 (twelve years ago) link

do you mean the one with Pierce in the hospital? because the Levar Burton stuff was gold.

Gukbe, Monday, 11 July 2011 21:02 (twelve years ago) link

yeah levar burton was good, but the episode lacked coherence, i thought.

by another name (amateurist), Monday, 11 July 2011 21:03 (twelve years ago) link

Two of my favorite sitcoms are on right now so it ain't too shabby.

louie + curb?

Mordy, Monday, 11 July 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

Two of my favorite sitcoms are on right now so it ain't too shabby.

louie + childrens hospital, but curb is back now too!

polyphonic, Monday, 11 July 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

oh yeah, childrens is hilarious. three amazing sitcoms at once! what a summer!

Mordy, Monday, 11 July 2011 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

Britta is really really fit, BTW.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Friday, 15 July 2011 07:26 (twelve years ago) link

^^

my Paramount studio tour went all over the set on Tuesday. Have never seen the show.

joyless shithead (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 July 2011 10:00 (twelve years ago) link

^^ jealous! when i went to california with my cousins last month we did an informal nbc comedy set tour, we visited the dunder-mifflin building from the office (it's in van nuys) and pawnee city hall from parks and rec (really pasadena city hall).

reddening, Friday, 15 July 2011 10:49 (twelve years ago) link

And next season they're joined by...

William Bloody Swygart, Saturday, 23 July 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link

SWEET

drowning cool (some dude), Saturday, 23 July 2011 15:52 (twelve years ago) link

oh man

g++ (gbx), Saturday, 23 July 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

Fuck yeah.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 23 July 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link

YESSSSSS

polyphonic, Saturday, 23 July 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link

=D

Nhex, Saturday, 23 July 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

omgomg YAY

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 July 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link

aimless has totally taken jeff winger's big speech in the pilot to heart

j., Monday, 25 July 2011 02:15 (twelve years ago) link

Can't wait to see Omar in an argyle sweater, great casting. Love this show so much.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 25 July 2011 02:21 (twelve years ago) link

Just watched the paintballing ep; phenomenal.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Monday, 25 July 2011 06:49 (twelve years ago) link

OMG. Any idea what he's teaching?

Matt DC, Monday, 25 July 2011 09:03 (twelve years ago) link

"Social Justice & The Wire"

J0rdan S., Monday, 25 July 2011 09:13 (twelve years ago) link

It says in the link what he'll be teaching.

you've got male (jim in glasgow), Monday, 25 July 2011 10:00 (twelve years ago) link

Pierce/Shirley/Britte/Annie interacting with a genuine ex-con is going to be hilarious.

Matt DC, Monday, 25 July 2011 15:10 (twelve years ago) link

omar HAS to be in a paintball episode, come on.

I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Monday, 25 July 2011 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

this got zero emmy nominations? O_o

sonderangerbot, Monday, 25 July 2011 15:28 (twelve years ago) link

emmys in overlooking great comedy shocker

I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Monday, 25 July 2011 15:28 (twelve years ago) link

emmys in overlooking great tv in general shocker

I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Monday, 25 July 2011 15:29 (twelve years ago) link

srs, a hilar omar paintball episode writes itselfs

I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Monday, 25 July 2011 15:29 (twelve years ago) link

with few exceptions, the emmys are always late to the party.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 25 July 2011 15:30 (twelve years ago) link

I kinda hope they don't just let him trot out Omar-isms for an entire season. I have enough faith in the writers to do something more interesting with that actor.

Matt DC, Monday, 25 July 2011 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

http://a.yfrog.com/img640/6976/4e6cy.jpg

also: jim rash (dean pelton) promoted to series regular! i love that guy

T-T lonely lullaby T-T (reddening), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 05:56 (twelve years ago) link

more good casting news: John Goodman joining up for season 3 XD

Clay, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 06:01 (twelve years ago) link

isn't he in another new show?

j., Tuesday, 26 July 2011 06:50 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, Damages

kinder, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 06:52 (twelve years ago) link

Here's more info on the Goodman thing from Deadline:

“John Goodman is set to recur in at least six episodes of NBC’s offbeat comedy Community. He will play Vice Dean Laybourne, the head of Greendale’s air conditioning repair school and a nemesis to both Dean Pelton (Jim Rash) and the show’s core study group.”

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link

'i hope this doesn't awaken anything inside of me'

j., Tuesday, 26 July 2011 20:16 (twelve years ago) link

that's my congressman :(

Clay, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 20:28 (twelve years ago) link

He was, you mean.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 July 2011 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

also: jim rash (dean pelton) promoted to series regular! i love that guy

― T-T lonely lullaby T-T (reddening), Tuesday, July 26, 2011 1:56 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark

i guess this just means a (long overdue) addition to the opening credits, i mean he's had multiple lines in every episode from day 1.

yelling "free dom passy" til you know i'm aspie (some dude), Tuesday, 26 July 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link

almost certainly means more pay for Rash, which is hugely deserved and worth celebrating

naked hdsl (sic), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 00:05 (twelve years ago) link

Lotsa big pay days for Rash - he helped write the upcoming Alexander Payne movie, starring George Clooney.

My Boyfriend Could Be A Spanish Man (R Baez), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 00:17 (twelve years ago) link

got s1 region 1 dvd in a second hand shop, still wrapped! excited for commentary fun times.

I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link

the outtakes are genuinely hilarious, no word of lie

i'm not a lawyer, but i play one on a messageboard (stevie), Thursday, 28 July 2011 11:55 (twelve years ago) link

Season 3 guest star roster continues to be awesome

William Bloody Swygart, Friday, 29 July 2011 01:03 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah! Only just started watching Party Down and love him in it (partly for the wrongness of Bill Haverchuck all grown up)

kinder, Friday, 29 July 2011 01:41 (twelve years ago) link

AAAAAAAAAAAAA

ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG

*pees all over rug*

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 July 2011 02:11 (twelve years ago) link

http://c0013884.cdn1.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/x2_76ca013

Gukbe, Friday, 29 July 2011 02:12 (twelve years ago) link

Oh
Hell
Yes

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 July 2011 02:24 (twelve years ago) link

that looks like a celebrity-uncomfortably-standing-next-to-a-fan picture except that they're both celebrities.

j., Friday, 29 July 2011 02:37 (twelve years ago) link

i wonder what dani wears in real life. he's always ironic t-shirt + american apparel in the show. fucking hell that's not a good thought to be having.

you've got male (jim in glasgow), Friday, 29 July 2011 02:39 (twelve years ago) link

there's a lot of bullshit ironic videogame t-shirts out there but that haunted pac-man thing is just something special, i tell you

bentelec, Friday, 29 July 2011 04:05 (twelve years ago) link

ZOMG ZOMG ZOMG

*pees all over rug*

― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 July 2011 03:11 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I am Louise Boat (a hoy hoy), Friday, 29 July 2011 05:24 (twelve years ago) link

Williams has filled out since the Wire! didn't realise that was him until j.'s post

naked hdsl (sic), Friday, 29 July 2011 07:22 (twelve years ago) link

celebratory bill haverchuck dance!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRpYP1zhAU4

notes on camping (Pillbox), Saturday, 30 July 2011 04:28 (twelve years ago) link

That was 2000000 times better than the Harry Potter I just watched

kinder, Saturday, 30 July 2011 05:35 (twelve years ago) link

martin starr! fuckin a

only bad dog on the street (history mayne), Saturday, 30 July 2011 09:21 (twelve years ago) link

love that guy.

Nhex, Saturday, 30 July 2011 14:05 (twelve years ago) link

big fat michael kenneth williams

nh (cozen), Saturday, 30 July 2011 19:35 (twelve years ago) link

three weeks pass...

http://www.slate.com/id/2302307/pagenum/all/#p2

Long piece about the "Paradigms of Human Memory" episode. Maybe I missed it, but the writer doesn't seem to mention that it's a parody of sit-com clip episodes.

President Keyes, Friday, 26 August 2011 11:12 (twelve years ago) link

lol fuckin slate

some dude, Friday, 26 August 2011 12:40 (twelve years ago) link

haha dude didn't notice at all that none of the "clips" had been shown before

now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Friday, 26 August 2011 12:56 (twelve years ago) link

:)

conrad, Friday, 26 August 2011 12:57 (twelve years ago) link

omg this person has never seen a clip show

now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Friday, 26 August 2011 12:58 (twelve years ago) link

http://mm-bbs.org/public/style_emoticons/default/facepalm.gif

tbh it got very boring very fast so i didn't read it

some jock-bully out to take down the hipsters (history mayne), Friday, 26 August 2011 13:03 (twelve years ago) link

tbh though i'm glad there are people like this who love the show even though it's going completely over their heads, that demographic is probably the one keeping them on the air

some dude, Friday, 26 August 2011 14:11 (twelve years ago) link

I know about bottle episodes only because Community did one earlier this season, in a show called "Cooperative Calligraphy."

basically this guy needed Abed to say "OK, we're doing a clip show" at the beginning of the episode for him to get it

some dude, Friday, 26 August 2011 14:19 (twelve years ago) link

otm

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 26 August 2011 14:20 (twelve years ago) link

He kind of acknowledges the "this never happened bit" later on, but kudos for managing to read that far, I only came across it by skimming:

"Oh, the deputy's badge from when we spent the day in that old ghost town," he says. This is a key moment, because we're sure the group never did spend a day in a ghost town in any of the previous episodes, and it didn't plausibly happen in any case.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 26 August 2011 14:21 (twelve years ago) link

im not sure who that kind of article is meant for. it's too entry-level for people who have seen the show. we don't need him to describe the cast. but it's too long and boring for anyone who hasn't seen it. or anyone who has.

some jock-bully out to take down the hipsters (history mayne), Friday, 26 August 2011 14:24 (twelve years ago) link

The Clerks tv show would really blow this guy's mind, since the 2nd episode was a clip show.

President Keyes, Friday, 26 August 2011 14:35 (twelve years ago) link

im not sure who that kind of article is meant for.

For people who don't watch sitcoms but will check it out now that someone has deemed it the most smartest of all.

President Keyes, Friday, 26 August 2011 14:41 (twelve years ago) link

stupid article but if it keeps the show alive for a 4th season i can't complain

Mordy, Friday, 26 August 2011 14:48 (twelve years ago) link

yeah im sure the comcast execs are poring over it as we type

some jock-bully out to take down the hipsters (history mayne), Friday, 26 August 2011 14:50 (twelve years ago) link

does anyone have an email addy for slate's editors? have a pitch for them about parks and rec.

some jock-bully out to take down the hipsters (history mayne), Friday, 26 August 2011 14:50 (twelve years ago) link

sometimes you r pretty obtuse. do u think maybe slate's reading audience might bring better numbers to the show and help it stick around longer if slate keeps writing fawning articles about it?

Mordy, Friday, 26 August 2011 14:54 (twelve years ago) link

Slate is the weirdest site. They have a Culture Gabfest podcast where like 2 weeks ago they first discovered this show called "Breaking Bad".

President Keyes, Friday, 26 August 2011 14:55 (twelve years ago) link

Culture Gabfest is a horrendous joke. I listen to it on occasion out of a masochistic urge to hear middle-class idiots try to reconcile what is popular with their limited understanding of culture.

Gukbe, Friday, 26 August 2011 15:09 (twelve years ago) link

sometimes you r pretty obtuse. do u think maybe slate's reading audience might bring better numbers to the show and help it stick around longer if slate keeps writing fawning articles about it?

― Mordy, Friday, August 26, 2011 3:54 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

fair point, but i did already say no non-viewer would get past paragraph one

some jock-bully out to take down the hipsters (history mayne), Friday, 26 August 2011 15:10 (twelve years ago) link

The Clerks tv show would really blow this guy's mind, since the 2nd episode was a clip show.

― President Keyes, Friday, 26 August 2011 15:35 (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

lol wut

gay socialists smoking mushrooms with their illegal gardeners (a hoy hoy), Friday, 26 August 2011 15:12 (twelve years ago) link

the Clerks animated show is probably the best Kevin Smith project released and that second episode is why; it basically does the exact same thing as the "Community" episode

it's also probably a large reason as to why there are only 6 episodes of Clerks, lol

now I have to imagine your penis (DJP), Friday, 26 August 2011 15:15 (twelve years ago) link

except that it did flash back to a clip from the first episode every time iirc?

rude ragga beats from the F. U. Schnickens (sic), Friday, 26 August 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link

Clerks was canceled after that 2nd episode. The other 4 came out on DVD later.

President Keyes, Friday, 26 August 2011 17:26 (twelve years ago) link

Also, ABC only aired episodes #4 and 2, so the flashbacks to Ep. #1 didn't make any sense--or perhaps functioned as the Community flashbacks did.

President Keyes, Friday, 26 August 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link

KNOWLEDGE

textbook blows on the head (dowd), Friday, 26 August 2011 20:19 (twelve years ago) link

steez is abed level yo

President Keyes, Saturday, 27 August 2011 00:50 (twelve years ago) link

http://warmingglow.uproxx.com/2011/09/yay-new-community-preview

ok i generally think the dean is the least funny character, but if he's now modelling himself on walter white, that is something else

extremely loud and incredibly highbrow (history mayne), Saturday, 3 September 2011 10:39 (twelve years ago) link

I don't know how a song and dance number fits into the story, but lol @ the line "we're gonna have more fun and be less weird than the first two years combined."

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 3 September 2011 14:20 (twelve years ago) link

season 2 dvd is out! i put it in my netflix queue, and noticed that the capsule description of the show calls Abed "a film student with Asperger's." the show's never officially diagnosed him, has it?

some dude, Saturday, 10 September 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

no and that description is annoying

horseshoe, Saturday, 10 September 2011 17:00 (twelve years ago) link

seriously

some dude, Saturday, 10 September 2011 17:06 (twelve years ago) link

abed is a student of human nature

j., Saturday, 10 September 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link

Abed is deliberately 90 deg out if phase with everyone else, and with the show as a written creation.

I think Dan's addiction to TVTropes might feed into this.

Blind Diode Jefferson (kingfish), Saturday, 10 September 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

IIRC, in one of the early episodes, Jeff answered something Abed said with "...and you have Asperger's", which was the most blatent reference, although (grain of salt ready) the line is more about Jeff being a dick than whatever it is that makes Abed Abed.

Status Update...in my Seether? (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 10 September 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, early on they obv intended Abed to be strictly aspie, then pulled back from this, eg "Abed The Undiagnosable"

challopian rubes (sic), Sunday, 11 September 2011 00:07 (twelve years ago) link

yeah they definitely tiptoe around it and make a show of not pinning him down to anything like that -- Big Bang Theory walks that line even more precariously with Sheldon

some dude, Sunday, 11 September 2011 00:15 (twelve years ago) link

seems pedantic to think too much about it. they can have more fun with it this way.

phantompenguin, Sunday, 11 September 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

15 MINUTES, Y'ALL!!!

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 22 September 2011 23:45 (twelve years ago) link

"Can it, boobs!"

The Man With The Flavored Toothpick (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 23 September 2011 00:21 (twelve years ago) link

Felt off, airless, a bit too predictable. Did Cougartown really need to be a continuing thing? Would prefer it if they just moved moved moved.

Did like the Doctor Who bit, though.

Work Hard, Flunky! (R Baez), Friday, 23 September 2011 01:09 (twelve years ago) link

I hope that's the last show for a while where the group analyzes its own dynamic. I thought it was a good episode, but that topic is stale.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 23 September 2011 01:15 (twelve years ago) link

I hope that's the last show for a while where the group analyzes its own dynamic. I thought it was a good episode, but that topic is stale.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:15 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

it's the kind of thing that head writers like to talk about in extensive online interviews but nobody else gives a shit about. just give us the funny.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 23 September 2011 03:04 (twelve years ago) link

<3 all the British TV stuff.

kinder, Friday, 23 September 2011 04:18 (twelve years ago) link

Cougarton Abbey

Johnny Fever, Friday, 23 September 2011 04:18 (twelve years ago) link

hopefully pierce being back in the group means an end to the in-fighting plotlines, because that was old last season. less yelling, more zings!

but still some quality stuff tonight. i liked shirley quietly suggesting they use abed's catatonia as a chance to baptize him.

FLAWLESS STANCE, ATHLETIC BEAST, WINNER'S POSTURE (reddening), Friday, 23 September 2011 05:10 (twelve years ago) link

liked the 2001 and Shining nods but would've liked a full blown Kubrick ep more

LaMonte, Friday, 23 September 2011 13:50 (twelve years ago) link

I was dying already the instant Abed said "I'm on episode six", enough that my wife paused the episode and made me explain why I was laughing so hard and I said pretty much what Britta said 20 seconds later when we pushed play again.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 23 September 2011 14:20 (twelve years ago) link

I'm annoyed they just didn't use Dr Who and used some lame stand in.

Ep was kinda lame, but they always start slow. Not feeling the lizard but I <3 the 'lets breaking bad together' w/ omar line.

'Cut it boobs' p much the only line i lol'd at, along with the rectum bit.

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Friday, 23 September 2011 15:54 (twelve years ago) link

Nah that was great, I hope it's the new Kickpuncher.

Episode was fun but kinda felt like they were trying to cram too much in, maybe the Dean/Goodman stuff could have waited an episode or two. Better than the start of S2 though. Shirley had most of the best moments although the idea of Chang as the security guard has serious lol potential.

Matt DC, Friday, 23 September 2011 22:14 (twelve years ago) link

thought the shot of jeff in the tunnels when the smoke starts rolling down towards him and chang scampers down a side corridor was amazing

Mordy, Friday, 23 September 2011 22:25 (twelve years ago) link

Did Cougartown really need to be a continuing thing?

YES. COUGAR TOWN JOKES NEVER GET OLD.

sex, doughnuts & rock 'n' roll (King Boy Pato), Friday, 23 September 2011 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

YOU ARE THE OPPOSITE OF BATMAN.

sex, doughnuts & rock 'n' roll (King Boy Pato), Friday, 23 September 2011 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

thought the shot of jeff in the tunnels when the smoke starts rolling down towards him and chang scampers down a side corridor was amazing

i was impressed by this too! the whole episode looked very good. also britta went back to having wavy hair and i thought she looked amazing, especially in that gray shirt in the tag.

FLAWLESS STANCE, ATHLETIC BEAST, WINNER'S POSTURE (reddening), Friday, 23 September 2011 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

this was awful

flopson, Friday, 23 September 2011 23:22 (twelve years ago) link

Martin Starr's on next week, playing one Professor Cligoris.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 23 September 2011 23:34 (twelve years ago) link

I'm w/ flopson - if it carries on like this I might well have to consider myself an outright non-fan.

Simon H., Saturday, 24 September 2011 00:50 (twelve years ago) link

i loled.

j., Saturday, 24 September 2011 05:05 (twelve years ago) link

also britta went back to having wavy hair and i thought she looked amazing,

Dan Harmon was saying on one of the DVD commentaries that they got so much flack for changing Britta's hair in season two. I didn't even notice she'd changed it back.

We had to stop the DVR because we were laughing so hard at "you've really thought this through" on the Dean's monkey hotel plans.

trishyb, Saturday, 24 September 2011 08:05 (twelve years ago) link

No way was this awful. I agree with Matt though - too much stuff. So far The Office, BBT and this have all started off pretty good and in the absence of ANYTHING FUNNY AT ALL on British TV I'm happy with that.

Ned Trifle X, Saturday, 24 September 2011 09:47 (twelve years ago) link

Think they were just getting their ducks in a row really, seemed to be a lot of scene setting crammed into 20mins.

Matt DC, Saturday, 24 September 2011 11:17 (twelve years ago) link

yeah the episode felt a little strained in the agenda setting and the unsubtle "for you new viewers we want to attract and keep, this is starburns, he has star-shaped sideburns" stuff but still had some big laughs

some dude, Saturday, 24 September 2011 11:24 (twelve years ago) link

this episode seemed the same as most of the episodes, to me

max, Saturday, 24 September 2011 12:01 (twelve years ago) link

i for one always find starburns-has-starburns jokes funny.

also, i thought the dean's entrance was hilarious ('how ya like me now, bitches?!') and that set me up for the rest of the episode.

j., Saturday, 24 September 2011 15:57 (twelve years ago) link

Pros: "We're gonna sleep together". Abed's high pitch noise. Monkey hotel. Pierce being good, Jeff being bad

Cons: That beginning song in general. Group dynamics analysis. Chang too far off the deep end to ever have any semblance of realism. Not many funny jokes this time

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 24 September 2011 16:44 (twelve years ago) link

Abed being a pathetic spazz who has to be coddled and manipulated by his friends was ugh, much prefer when he's quietly the most together and self-aware person in the group

some dude, Saturday, 24 September 2011 16:54 (twelve years ago) link

well, it IS kind of traumatic when your favorite show ends

j., Saturday, 24 September 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link

i wonder how many people on ilx made that sound a year ago when they found out parks & recreation wasn't coming back until mid-season

some dude, Saturday, 24 September 2011 17:08 (twelve years ago) link

Abed being a pathetic spazz who has to be coddled and manipulated by his friends was ugh, much prefer when he's quietly the most together and self-aware person in the group

― some dude, Saturday, September 24, 2011 12:54 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark

otm. the dean made me laugh the most this episode.

horseshoe, Saturday, 24 September 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think a relatively harmless high pitched noise is criteria enough to be all "pathetic spazz".

But otm, about the dean being awesome. He's been the opposite of Chang. When Chang was getting worse Dean was getting better.

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 24 September 2011 17:45 (twelve years ago) link

He never had to be coddled by his friends

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 24 September 2011 17:47 (twelve years ago) link

someone disagreed with me, i must defend my point! oh wait it was lorax nm

some dude, Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:07 (twelve years ago) link

guys don't fight. don't be like community episode 3.1

FLAWLESS STANCE, ATHLETIC BEAST, WINNER'S POSTURE (reddening), Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

but I would like to see some dude's defense for ripping on a guy for having autistic tendencies

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:21 (twelve years ago) link

oh wait he's some dude. he doesn't have to defend himself

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

sorry for ripping on you, homie

some dude, Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

I rarely suggest ban anyone but there you go

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link

lol c'mon Lorax, you were reading a little too much into some dude's post

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:29 (twelve years ago) link

you're right or you're wrong. if he saw abed as a pathetic spazz he was wrong. simple as that

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:30 (twelve years ago) link

Spaz US or spaz UK?

kinder, Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link

he's usually not. squealing and then going catatonic because of a TV show being on hiatus is not really typical of the character in earlier episodes is all i was saying.

some dude, Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link

I rarely suggest ban anyone but there you go I gave you one a long time ago

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:34 (twelve years ago) link

high five?

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 24 September 2011 19:36 (twelve years ago) link

I loved it. Then I read everyone being all "stop being all about the dynamics of the group and shit" and I loved it a little less. On reflection, they should do that.

British people don't pronounce Deirdre like "deir-drah" though. We say "deir-dree". At least, I do.

Ford Timelord, Sunday, 25 September 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link

considering that the s2 finale was basically a cliffhanger about pierce leaving the group, i took it as a given that they'd have to address that in the premiere. if we get three or four episodes into the season and the group dynamic stuff is still dominating the stories, then i'll complain.

some dude, Sunday, 25 September 2011 00:51 (twelve years ago) link

people who dont think this episode sucked, mb you are just humourless &/or have bad taste? something to consider. imo community s2 was a terrifying yet ultimately v successful navigation of the limits of decreasing marginal utility of mining your own self-referential universe of jokes, & i feel like the reason it succeeded was due to a solid amount of new material and imaginative new ways to spin ongoing jokes, whereas this was all stark reiterations of old jokes (i named him annie's boobs, after annie's boobs--smh s1/s2 troy would have never) or pathetic attempts at updating old ones (funniest part of chang in the vents was when he was like "MONKEY GAS!" but they really dragged his descent 2 low--actually relieved to see him back in a position of power, best chang moment was "have you MET ME?!"). it was just a slog thru every community trope w/ terrible momentum, jeff's inspirational speech came like 2 minutes in, chang was barely funny. srsly the whole experience made me want to cry & rewatch season 1

i hope it's just the pressure of plot overload, setting up new characters & devices, that weighed it down (s2e1 was inarguably weighed down by untying the jeff/britta/annie unresolved love triangle but importantly differs from this in that it 1) successfully & neatly establishes the new equilibrium 2) is actually funny if you rewatch it), but this felt more unjustly self-assured and winking than any community yet, and i really think that will, if not now inevitably, be what turns it to unwatchable shit

flopson, Sunday, 25 September 2011 01:52 (twelve years ago) link

Man if you think this ep "sucked" and is leading the show towards becoming "unwatchable shit", the problem is more with you imho. This was definitely nowhere near the top 15 eps of this show, but it was still funny. The tying up of loose ends from last season is what kept it from being top tier, that's for sure.

I do take contention with one of your examples though, Troy's "after Annie's boobs" is 100% something he would have said in any other season.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Sunday, 25 September 2011 02:01 (twelve years ago) link

ya idk my roommate has a theory that troys jokes were getting worse thruout the second half of the second season but i am yet 2 be convinced

flopper? i hardly know'er (flopson), Sunday, 25 September 2011 02:06 (twelve years ago) link

John Goodman is so great at yelling.

polyphonic, Sunday, 25 September 2011 02:09 (twelve years ago) link

Considering Troy's best joke ("notches") was in the 2nd half of the 2nd season, I definitely don't think they were getting worse.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 25 September 2011 02:14 (twelve years ago) link

notches is possibly my fav community joke of all

flopper? i hardly know'er (flopson), Sunday, 25 September 2011 02:16 (twelve years ago) link

stark reiterations of old jokes (i named him annie's boobs, after annie's boobs--smh s1/s2 troy would have never)

yeah i mentioned the starburns thing but this was the one that really hit me as "jeez they're really trying hard to catch up new viewers, or perhaps overdoing it to mock whatever suit asked them to catch up new viewers"

some dude, Sunday, 25 September 2011 02:40 (twelve years ago) link

John Goodman is so great at yelling.

― polyphonic, Saturday, September 24, 2011 9:09 PM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what accent was he doing? it was fantastic. get the feeling we'll only see him for a few episodes though.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 25 September 2011 02:52 (twelve years ago) link

also the idea that the college's moneymaker is their A/C repair school is amazing.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 25 September 2011 02:52 (twelve years ago) link

Workforce programs are a CC's bread & butter tho.

The Man With The Flavored Toothpick (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 25 September 2011 02:57 (twelve years ago) link

i know, but that it would be something as specific as the A/C repair unit (w/ their own wing and fiefdom) is pretty funny.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 25 September 2011 03:00 (twelve years ago) link

My CC devoted all their attention to the nursing and police officer training programs, and very little attention to anything else. A/C tech is the same kind of specialized tech program as those two, and quite believable.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 25 September 2011 03:18 (twelve years ago) link

you don't think they chose it for its humor value at all?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 25 September 2011 03:36 (twelve years ago) link

(i mean the idea that the entire college would be overshadowed by an A/C repair department? obv it's taking off from reality but it's just absurd enough to be funny, no?)

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Sunday, 25 September 2011 03:37 (twelve years ago) link

my only complaint is that abed was just wrong

he wouldn't flip out like that, he would know about brit tv's short runs and he would already know all seven inspector spacetimes' favorite brand of knickers

mookieproof, Sunday, 25 September 2011 03:53 (twelve years ago) link

absurd? i thought it sounded 100% factually accurate.

j., Sunday, 25 September 2011 05:58 (twelve years ago) link

British people don't pronounce Deirdre like "deir-drah" though.

They must have been hanging in my neck of the woods.

Ned Trifle X, Sunday, 25 September 2011 06:20 (twelve years ago) link

You realise that if they were pandering to new viewers, you would have seen Magnitude wheeled out for six solid minutes of "POP-POP!"

sex, doughnuts & rock 'n' roll (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 25 September 2011 07:51 (twelve years ago) link

Unless that's happening next week.

sex, doughnuts & rock 'n' roll (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 25 September 2011 07:51 (twelve years ago) link

i'm cool with that

Gukbe, Sunday, 25 September 2011 14:50 (twelve years ago) link

the monkey gas was called "Chimpan-Zzz's".. surprised jeff didn't attack the table with a femur.

Kerm, Sunday, 25 September 2011 15:23 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah this was totally like a second pilot. It was kinda embarrassing but fuck it, if it gets them more viewers then I'm cool w/ it. Harmon and co deserve success and then can go from there. I think it would be severely unwise to write off a show who did a My Dinner W/ Andre parody episode of just going for some commercialised (sp?) turn. It was a one-off to introduce star-burns as star-burns, britta as the buzzkill, abed as the tv-freak etc. It may not have been done well but after masses of hype it has introduced new people to what the character tropes and settled them in for what Community should be, then thats ok.

Yeah xpost I think that may have been a big reason on why I hated the dr. who shit. How would Abed not know about Dr. Who/whatever-it-was-called? TV is like breathing to him and yet it takes Britta for him to be introduced to one of the most famous shows of all time that is also nerd bait? Hope this doesn't become a running thing, it won't work as well as Cougar Town did.

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 25 September 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

ratings were not good btw

some dude, Sunday, 25 September 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

*abed scream*

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 25 September 2011 15:51 (twelve years ago) link

imo one of the funniest unspoken jokes about Abed is that he's not like a hardcore nerd with discriminating taste, he nerds out about like Farscape or The Cape

some dude, Sunday, 25 September 2011 15:53 (twelve years ago) link

a hoy hoy otm--it sucked but i'll give them the benefit of the doubt because there's such a strong sense that some producer told them to reintroduce every single character and rehash the dynamic. to me it seemed like Troy's delivery was affected by this more than anything else: there was so little conviction in "Annie's boobs" and "opposite of batman" that you basically get the impression that he's just steaming about having to say this stale shit at all, where in season 1 those would've been passable Troy lines.

een, Sunday, 25 September 2011 16:42 (twelve years ago) link

xp always felt that abed was so far into nerddom that his taste transcended any notion of popular trends and he could see shows like cougar town and the cape for the genius they truly are. also that s301 was out of character.

witchho (zachlyon), Sunday, 25 September 2011 16:47 (twelve years ago) link

Whenever I think about this show transcending comedy I think about the Who's The Boss plotline and I've never wanted to watch that show or What's Happening

that's cute, but it's WRONG (CaptainLorax), Sunday, 25 September 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link

im not sure annie existed bar many jokes about her boobs

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 25 September 2011 17:11 (twelve years ago) link

this was a p terrible episode

(♯`∧´) (gbx), Sunday, 25 September 2011 17:12 (twelve years ago) link

Saw this again. I liked it more. Disliked the return to a "Jeff and the gang" feel, but I saw good bits here and there, more than I did on my initial viewing.

Work Hard, Flunky! (R Baez), Sunday, 25 September 2011 17:18 (twelve years ago) link

i know who sean penn is, i seen 'milk'

j., Sunday, 25 September 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

one thing i loved:

JIM RASH MADE THE OPENING CREDITS :DDDDDDDDDD

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 25 September 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link

also chang having a ham to throw at jeff

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 25 September 2011 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

not amazing, but i enjoyed it. totally see the glee parody/obvious callbacks as ploys to catch up new viewers, which is pretty acceptable to me

Nhex, Sunday, 25 September 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link

Not a classic, but funny. Goodman's character showing way more promise than Williams'.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 25 September 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, this was weak overall, but it had lots of brilliant little moments. Even though 2001 homages are played-out, the one in this ep was so good it gets a free pass. And even though Abed was definitely way out of character, it did give us "Inspector Spacetime" which was hilarious, especially in his concluding after like 10 seconds that it was the best thing he'd ever seen; it was like, *of course* somebody like Abed would react that way to Dr. Who.

wow_and_stutter, Sunday, 25 September 2011 21:41 (twelve years ago) link

Always amused by Americans doing poor English accents.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 25 September 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

Abed not knowing *Doctor Who* perhaps isn't that unlikely - has he ever shown any awareness of British TV or films?

known for melding an outrageous stage presence with tenacious hooks (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 25 September 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

Not sure any of this will matter when the show gets axed mid-season.

Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link

Were the ratings that dire?

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link

on the contrary, interminable pedantry will be all we have to hold on to.

known for melding an outrageous stage presence with tenacious hooks (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link

xp not for nbc

witchho (zachlyon), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link

I imagine it does well on DVD though.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:04 (twelve years ago) link

Not sure any of this will matter when the show gets axed mid-season.

Did NBC order a full season or did they hold off on the back nine?

The ratings have always been consistently crap, but it's alive because it pulls in just enough of the 18-34 male demographic to make advertisers happy. Nevermind that the show pulls in an audience more likely to be college educated and thus, more likely to have a disposable income, another obv. pull for advertisers.

Work Hard, Flunky! (R Baez), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:18 (twelve years ago) link

But that number was pretty low for a season premiere. I think total overall was pretty bad as well. NBC is in so much trouble that they're totally fine with a 2.0 in the demo, and I think they'd be happy with a consistent 1.8 tbh. If Community starts getting consistent 1.6 ratings, I think they'd want to move Up All Night to Thursday night and kill the Wednesday comedy block.

Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link

they were renewed for a full third season fyi

some dude, Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:44 (twelve years ago) link

Doesn't mean they won't pull it.

Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

that's kinda rare for a show this far along, more likely it would get moved around the schedule

some dude, Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:53 (twelve years ago) link

but let's not forget that Outsourced consistently got better ratings than Community last year, i wouldn't worry that much about some of these crappy new shows outperforming it

some dude, Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:55 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, but I'm not sure where they would move it. If they want to get behind Up All Night, but feel that Wednesday isn't going to work for them - and if they decide to cancel the Azaria show - they'd probably want to move it to the Thursday block, in which case Community would probably be the first to go. xpost

True re: Outsourced, but Whitney has better ratings than that and Community's ratings are down significantly from last year.

Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

If the reaper's scythe is near, I look forward to a few nice hemlock callbacks.

Work Hard, Flunky! (R Baez), Sunday, 25 September 2011 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

Maybe I'm just being very pessimistic. I don't think I normally would if Up All Night wasn't kicking about.

Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Sunday, 25 September 2011 23:00 (twelve years ago) link

Whitney is getting pushed to the moon right now though, it would be this year's Shat My Dad Says (falling off quickly)

Up All Night, granted, is a much easier sell than Community

Nhex, Monday, 26 September 2011 04:29 (twelve years ago) link

a couple thoughts re the possible threat UAN poses to Community being renewed:
a) UAN has aired one episode that had fine ratings but I'm sure NBC (and anyone invested in this conversation) wants to wait at least a few more episodes to see if those numbers drop off, and how precipitously (since obv there's no way it's going to keep the pilot numbers)
b) UAN has three expensive leads that are huge draws (Applegate, Arnet + Rudolph) but I have to imagine costs for UAN are much higher than Community of which I get the impression has been able to shrink their budget when necessary (see: bottle episode) -- part of the calculus has the be the perceived value wrt the cost
c) Community is very close - as I understand it - to syndication numbers (I think 88 is the magic number?). even with worse ratings it's much more likely to be renewed to get those syndication dollars than a marginally better rated show that only just began

and also other ppl have mentioned this but it bears repeating that Community doesn't have to beat - say - BBT or X-Factor to get renewed. It just has to be within the ballpark numbers that other NBC sitcoms are getting.

Mordy, Monday, 26 September 2011 04:41 (twelve years ago) link

UAN numbers dropped in its second week, but with that cast they have a lot more invested in making it work. On top of that, it's still a new show that can build an audience. Wednesday night just might not be the night to do it, so they might want to think about moving it to Thursdays where they have a small, but known, comedy brand. They know by this point that Community is very unlikely to grow much beyond where it is. They were generally okay with that, but if they think they can build a new night with a broad appeal, I can see them shuffling things around. Perhaps Parks & Rec, which has a small but still bigger than Community audience that isn't going anywhere, as a lead-in for UAN.

88 is the syndication number minimum, really, and that's generally for hit shows I think. Lesser-rated shows like Community probably need that magic 100 to seem like a worthy investment. Even then the syndication deals, while always good and profitable, might not be that good because nobody watches Community on its first run, and it's unlikely to pull in big numbers in syndication. I'll be interested to see how 30 Rock makes out in the syndication ratings, come to think of it.

Anyway, that 88 is still two seasons away. Shows get more expensive as they go on, not less. Also, I think Sony produces the show, not NBC, so syndication won't matter to the network.

But you're right that if Community maintains its current numbers it would probably stick around for the whole season. My concern is that they now have 6 comedies instead of 4, and if two are failing they can try to consolidate that into one night.

Here's hoping Whitney tanks next week.

Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Monday, 26 September 2011 04:56 (twelve years ago) link

is it possible the office ends up being the odd man out though? i know tanking numbers from the office are still > community on a good night, but this whole no-carell season has "experiment" stamped on its forehead and it just might not work out well enough to convince the network they ever should've ordered it.

witchho (zachlyon), Monday, 26 September 2011 05:04 (twelve years ago) link

i don't think anybody wants to be the guy who cancels The Office, and the numbers are probably still the best in the entire night, so...

Nhex, Monday, 26 September 2011 05:07 (twelve years ago) link

The Office was down from last year, but it was still the highest-rated scripted program that NBC has, with a demo rating of around 4.0. Because viewers have already had a couple of Carrell-less episodes, I don't imagine the drop-off for next week to be as big as all that. It'll take a few weeks, but I think they've got enough loyal people to keep it going for a while. The upside for Community in all of this is that they don't have enough shows waiting in the wings to replace the number of shows that should be cancelled.

Prime Suspect was enough of a Thursday night failure that I think they'd set about trying to fix that first. I just worry because it looks like that Azaria show won't make it another couple of weeks, in which case they'll have UAN all on its own on Wednesdays where it will surely die a slow death that NBC doesn't want for it. I'm not really sure how many sitcoms they've got waiting in the wings though.

Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Monday, 26 September 2011 05:15 (twelve years ago) link

They could go back to the three hour Thursday night sitcom thing. Or cancel Whitney. Both options good!

Mordy, Monday, 26 September 2011 05:16 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think they want to fall back on the 3-hour comedy block option so quickly. It didn't really work for them.

But yes, cancelling Whitney would be great. I imagine the ratings will drop off significantly. Of course, she's also co-created 2 Broke Girls, which might also be a hit. If it is, they'll want to keep her happy to stay in the Whitney Cummings business.

Also I have a sneaking suspicion that it's just shit enough that people might actually like it.

Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Monday, 26 September 2011 05:22 (twelve years ago) link

I just want to add that I'm always nervous that NBC is going to finally try to get its act together, clean house, and start over. NBC being pretty miserable failures at being a broadcast network over the last 7 or so years has been great for television.

Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Monday, 26 September 2011 05:23 (twelve years ago) link

still bitter about Journeyman's cancellation

Nhex, Monday, 26 September 2011 05:25 (twelve years ago) link

Of course, they could move Whitney to Wednesday, so the older, cooler shows won't bully her.

The Man With The Flavored Toothpick (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 26 September 2011 05:35 (twelve years ago) link

Abed not knowing *Doctor Who* perhaps isn't that unlikely - has he ever shown any awareness of British TV or films?

It's a sci fi institution. How could he not have heard of it? Even as a young child, I was aware of Dr Who without even trying. It always seemed to be on public broadcasting, in Ontario at least. Is it that much easier to miss in Colorado?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 26 September 2011 06:03 (twelve years ago) link

I mean, if Britta could know it, why wouldn't Abed?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 26 September 2011 06:05 (twelve years ago) link

Ha, bad assumption, actually, considering that Coronation Street is also always on the Ceeb.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 26 September 2011 06:10 (twelve years ago) link

Anyway, not a classic but a perfectly decent little episode.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 26 September 2011 06:15 (twelve years ago) link

I mean, if Britta could know it, why wouldn't Abed?

Didn't Britta spend time abroad or was she just lying about that? She probably saw these "shows" on tv in the UK. Still, I think that Abed being the media omnivore that he is, would probably a) already know about them and b) know that typically series run 6 episodes over there.

As for the state of NBC, Free Agents is pretty much a sure thing to be the first show axed this season (if Playboy doesn't beat it to the punch). What might happen is that they swap out Up All Night for Whitney and pair her show with another three-cam sitcom on Wednesday nights. At least that's what I'd do, but I'm not the president of NBC.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 26 September 2011 06:47 (twelve years ago) link

Not sure any of this will matter when the show gets axed mid-season.

Did NBC order a full season or did they hold off on the back nine?

The ratings have always been consistently crap, but it's alive because it pulls in just enough of the 18-34 male demographic to make advertisers happy. Nevermind that the show pulls in an audience more likely to be college educated and thus, more likely to have a disposable income, another obv. pull for advertisers.

― Work Hard, Flunky! (R Baez), Sunday, 25 September 2011 23:18 (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

How much does it matter that Community obv. will be the breakout show for a bunch o' stars of the future (Glover, Brie, presumably mchale)? Also I know it was only a 30 Rock injoke but Glover is p much alone as a big name marketable black dude on NBC right now? Just thinking that ratings wouldn't be the sole assestment of a show like Community.

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Monday, 26 September 2011 08:06 (twelve years ago) link

Abed not knowing *Doctor Who* perhaps isn't that unlikely - has he ever shown any awareness of British TV or films?

It's a sci fi institution. How could he not have heard of it? Even as a young child, I was aware of Dr Who without even trying. It always seemed to be on public broadcasting, in Ontario at least. Is it that much easier to miss in Colorado?

Because it isn't actually Doctor Who and this isn't the real world we're talking about here?

Matt DC, Monday, 26 September 2011 08:45 (twelve years ago) link

haha THANK YOU matt

some dude, Monday, 26 September 2011 11:07 (twelve years ago) link

Ha, OK, fair enough. I guess by that point, I was responding to other posts more than to the Community episode. I still think the 'Inspector Spacetime' thing was kind of weak but that's probably not the best reason why.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 26 September 2011 12:38 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think it's absurd to critique a fictional show for making a cultural reference below its usual level of intelligence. I wasn't too bothered, but honestly I'm surprised they didn't have Abed say "it's a cheap rip-off of Dr. Who" before announcing it was the best show ever.

da croupier, Monday, 26 September 2011 12:51 (twelve years ago) link

Thanks, croup. I think that's probably a better way to articulate what I was thinking. The 'show' was such an obvious allusion to Dr Who in the first place.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 26 September 2011 12:57 (twelve years ago) link

Inspector Spacetime Confessions

trishyb, Monday, 26 September 2011 15:28 (twelve years ago) link

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/09/community_bloopers_season_2.html

max, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 13:55 (twelve years ago) link

The most important thing is that that fake logo is AMAZING

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:08 (twelve years ago) link

The commentary for "Early 21st Century Romanticism" is hilarious, almost funnier than the actual episode.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:20 (twelve years ago) link

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls6fluUsvq1r3itvoo1_500.jpg

A+++++

Matt DC, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link

Watched this episode again last night and I thought Goodman was great actually, real comic potential there for clashes with other characters throughout the season. Most excited about Chang as security guard though, he's at his funniest when he has some authority to abuse.

The monkey gas Lynchian hallucination section was pretty weird for a show supposedly pandering to new viewers.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:36 (twelve years ago) link

you mean the 2001 parody?

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link

Haha maybe, I've never actually seen it.

Also I hope Professor Ian Duncan turns up soon, anyone know if he's slated to appear much this season?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 15:39 (twelve years ago) link

Well on the Bugle he keeps talking about being in LA, when he's not too busy filming in LA to do a Bugle.

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 17:14 (twelve years ago) link

In the bloopers, Chevy Chase comes across as more agreeable than he's generally supposed to be.

trapdoor fucking spiders (dowd), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 18:23 (twelve years ago) link

Oliver is going to be too busy doing all the Vanity Smurf voice in the sequel.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 28 September 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link

xp Chase comes off similarly in the commentaries he's on. Haven't gotten to the anti-drug-skit episode commentary yet, though, where Pierce fighting with one of the actors in a bee costume was directly inspired by an SNL backstage fracas.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 28 September 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

rewatched this. lol'd at the "national lampoonery" line.

Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Thursday, 29 September 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7035000/the-walk-on

joel mchale on his college football career

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 29 September 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

That straw/cup gag...

The Man With The Flavored Toothpick (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 30 September 2011 00:09 (twelve years ago) link

Garrett is KILLING IT.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 September 2011 00:15 (twelve years ago) link

right now nothing about this show makes me laugh harder than the dynamic between Chang and Britta

― a http://bit.ly/kv895M (some dude), Saturday, June 4, 2011 3:57 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark

obviously i really enjoyed tonight's episode

some dude, Friday, 30 September 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link

so much better than last week. chang/britta was gold.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 30 September 2011 01:04 (twelve years ago) link

<3 Garrett.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 30 September 2011 03:09 (twelve years ago) link

it always surprises me when people talk about garrett because i forget he exists as soon as he's offscreen every time

some dude, Friday, 30 September 2011 03:11 (twelve years ago) link

He's a one-note character, to be sure, but that one note is Miles fucking Davis.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 September 2011 03:22 (twelve years ago) link

That straw/cup gag...

― The Man With The Flavored Toothpick (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 30 September 2011 01:09 (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

THIS

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Friday, 30 September 2011 06:19 (twelve years ago) link

also omg at the britta n-word bit.

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Friday, 30 September 2011 06:19 (twelve years ago) link

A reviewer pointed out the Blue-UN/Red-UN Fringe reference that I didn't pick up on. Either way, that argument about the real worth of the UN at the end was pretty great.

Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Friday, 30 September 2011 07:00 (twelve years ago) link

CRISIS ALERT

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 30 September 2011 13:50 (twelve years ago) link

also cheap lols at the greendale anus symbol in the background constantly

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Friday, 30 September 2011 13:52 (twelve years ago) link

Professor Cligoris

Inspector Spacetime (Nicole), Friday, 30 September 2011 13:54 (twelve years ago) link

Either pronounciation is fine.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 30 September 2011 14:16 (twelve years ago) link

loved martin starr in this, he was crazy but like deftly crazy

FLAWLESS STANCE, ATHLETIC BEAST, WINNER'S POSTURE (reddening), Friday, 30 September 2011 16:18 (twelve years ago) link

also i was happy that annie and britta got some good material, but the percentage of troy jokes was wayy too low

FLAWLESS STANCE, ATHLETIC BEAST, WINNER'S POSTURE (reddening), Friday, 30 September 2011 16:27 (twelve years ago) link

Pierce was pretty good in this one too, "Not Asians, women".

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 30 September 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link

but the percentage of troy jokes was wayy too low

Really? I thought the Georgia run was epic.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 September 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

Also the joke about the smell almost being a solid.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 30 September 2011 16:32 (twelve years ago) link

troy and abed didn't have much to do and the dean wasn't even in the episode but that's what happens with ensemble shows, no biggie

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 30 September 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link

Operation gag at the end made up for all of it though!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 30 September 2011 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

Enjoyed the straw/cup gag. Thought Britta was way hotter this ep than she has lately.

Dan Harmon has mentioned on Twitter than both Doctor Who & Inspector Spacetime exist in the Greendale Universe. Abed referenced K-9, and the Genesis of the Daleks(I think) VHS cover showed up in the opening segment of the AD&D ep last year.

As somebody has pointed out over at the AV Club, this is the same universe that has both Kickpuncher _and_ Robocop, and Abed liked the cheap knockoff more.

Also, re: the pop culture refs, I'm fine with them as long as they actually serve the scene & the characters. The 2001 bits last week did.

Blind Diode Jefferson (kingfish), Saturday, 1 October 2011 01:32 (twelve years ago) link

Wait, what was the straw/cup thing? Must have missed it.

also omg at the britta n-word bit.

I wonder if CityTV cut this out from their online stream...?

Wasn't that enamoured of Britta's OTT-ness or Annie's meltdown tbh.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 1 October 2011 02:40 (twelve years ago) link

ken jeong was in top form

phantompenguin, Saturday, 1 October 2011 05:45 (twelve years ago) link

Wait, what was the straw/cup thing? Must have missed it.

when annie was frustrated by annie kim, she was pushing down and pulling up the straw in her drink, making an annoying noise. troy took the drink from under the straw, took the top off the drink and put it back under her still doing her show of frustrating w/ the straw. you had to be there.

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 1 October 2011 06:29 (twelve years ago) link

^^What makes it is that all of this is done in one shot-you see Troy's hands come in, exit with the cup, then return after a beat of Annie pumping thin air.

The Man With The Flavored Toothpick (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 1 October 2011 06:36 (twelve years ago) link

It truly was brilliant. Almost worthy of Mel Brooks.

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 1 October 2011 06:55 (twelve years ago) link

Oh yeah, I did see that. Yeah, good gag.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 1 October 2011 18:35 (twelve years ago) link

Liked this ep better on second viewing.

"The science works out."
"There's nothing to be Zambia about."

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 1 October 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

"ready, set, PEACE!" (fires starter pistol)

FLAWLESS STANCE, ATHLETIC BEAST, WINNER'S POSTURE (reddening), Saturday, 1 October 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

"I'm farting right now"

ℓ٥ﻻ ﻉ√٥υ (CaptainLorax), Sunday, 2 October 2011 01:01 (twelve years ago) link

troy's intonation/body language when saying "we all farted" cracks me up so much

some dude, Sunday, 2 October 2011 01:06 (twelve years ago) link

I need to start watching this show now that I know abt the hilarity of Inspector Spacetime!!

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Sunday, 2 October 2011 01:12 (twelve years ago) link

Apparently the Inspector(dressed like Insp. Gadget, no less) is causing some consternation online, as folks wonder why Abed didn't know about the show, does Doctor Who also exist, etc. My attitude is just that they keep the British tv commentary jokes coming.

Blind Diode Jefferson (kingfish), Sunday, 2 October 2011 01:59 (twelve years ago) link

the little checkout of annie when she walks out after the jeff/annie couch bit was p lol

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 2 October 2011 03:32 (twelve years ago) link

It's nice of Community to acknowledge the universal comic truth that the name 'Boutros Boutros Ghali' is inherently funny.

Really enjoyed the UN strand of this. Garrett cracks me up - 'CRISIS ALERT!'

Britte and Chang subplot was less funny I think - they're making Britte a bit TOO self-parodic now. Maybe it felt a bit weird because Britte has never really interacted with Chang before, actually Chang doesn't really have any onscreen relationships with anyone other than Jeff, Shirley and other staff members. You never really just see him in a scene with Pierce or Troy or whoever.

Part of the humour in Community is just watching the faces of the characters in the background when something's going on - cf Annie's face when Jeff was repping for her, and Jeff clearly not giving a shit and actually being slightly amused when Britte got tasered.

Matt DC, Sunday, 2 October 2011 12:43 (twelve years ago) link

Also surely we all knew what was coming when Jeff got Uruguay and Pierce didn't disappoint. Open goal deftly taken.

Matt DC, Sunday, 2 October 2011 12:44 (twelve years ago) link

That joke was actually one of the few disappointments for me in this episode because of the precedent set by
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLVJm7QW3dA

shake it, shake it, sugary pee (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 2 October 2011 12:48 (twelve years ago) link

Maybe it felt a bit weird because Britte has never really interacted with Chang before

they have, though, that's why the other day i quoted my post from over the summer about their dynamic being hilarious to me -- there were at least a couple moments in season 2 of them just displaying total loathing for each other

some dude, Sunday, 2 October 2011 13:13 (twelve years ago) link

There were still plenty of great jokes in these two episodes, but I'm hoping the whole season isn't this streamlined and simplified. I know Harmon said his goal for season 3 was to be more accessible, so while I'm not bailing or anything, I'm starting to worry that S3 might abandon a lot of what I loved about the first two.

da croupier, Sunday, 2 October 2011 13:25 (twelve years ago) link

alternate universe UN episode felt very of a piece with season 2 imo

some dude, Sunday, 2 October 2011 13:27 (twelve years ago) link

conceptually, yeah, i just felt the jokes weren't as smart as they could have been - a bunch of floating heads followed by a big fart scene on stage. "Hello" played over and over and over

da croupier, Sunday, 2 October 2011 13:29 (twelve years ago) link

I mean you can say "but in s2 this episode was just a stupid thing followed by a stupid thing" and my sense of this may be just an overreaction after really admiring last season, but it really does feel like they're trying to keep things frothy in a thinner way

da croupier, Sunday, 2 October 2011 13:30 (twelve years ago) link

this is seriously nitpicky, but just as an example - I feel like the "Operation" button would have been a little subtler before, like maybe chevy wouldn't have said "STOP PLAYING OPERATION ON ME!" but just "I'M NOT A BOARD GAME" and then reached for the spare ribs silently without saying "YOU DIDN'T GET MY SPARE RIBS." They would have assumed we know the game Operation and not announced what was going on.

da croupier, Sunday, 2 October 2011 13:38 (twelve years ago) link

on first watch i would've agreed that the jokes seemed...lesser?...but on second watch it all came together for me and i enjoyed it a lot more. however the endless playing of "hello" killed me both times, i enjoyed that entire subplot. also britta looked really really really pretty.

FLAWLESS STANCE, ATHLETIC BEAST, WINNER'S POSTURE (reddening), Sunday, 2 October 2011 13:56 (twelve years ago) link

Fake UN desn't feel like intentional dumbing down to me.

Also lol at the black guy representing Germany with the huge Bavarian whiskers.

Matt DC, Sunday, 2 October 2011 14:04 (twelve years ago) link

reminded me very much of a first season episode. if this season repeats the '3rd season is slightly lesser than amazing for the ages 2nd season but this only helps you accept cancellation more' precedent set by arrested development i can live with that.

balls, Sunday, 2 October 2011 15:29 (twelve years ago) link

totally

da croupier, Sunday, 2 October 2011 16:06 (twelve years ago) link

That joke was actually one of the few disappointments for me in this episode because of the precedent set by

parks and rec did a simpsons joke too: "in a way, you're both winners. but in another, more accurate way, barney is the winner."

witchho (zachlyon), Sunday, 2 October 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link

i am fartacus

jaxon, Monday, 3 October 2011 16:17 (twelve years ago) link

jaxon r u high

Logg \ O / Logg (crüt), Monday, 3 October 2011 16:18 (twelve years ago) link

also omg at the britta n-word bit.

I was beside myself, that was hilarious

the tax avocado (DJP), Monday, 3 October 2011 16:24 (twelve years ago) link

i don't remember what that was?

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 3 October 2011 16:48 (twelve years ago) link

Britta: Oh goodie, a new path! Is it lined with credit cards and flat-screen TVs? Does it go by IKEA? Maybe I don’t want a new path - or any path. Maybe my path is a warpath that leads to the Terror Dome, N-words! … OK, maybe I went too far! Maybe I don’t want to offend my African American friends! But the larger point is maybe I’m not done raging against the machine!

the tax avocado (DJP), Monday, 3 October 2011 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

oh yeah

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 3 October 2011 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

Britta has become my favorite.

DaTruf (Nicole), Monday, 3 October 2011 17:18 (twelve years ago) link

the only part of the episode that strained credibility for me was the idea that anyone would let Chang carry a taser, but then I remembered we'd already passed that event horizon when they made Chang into a security guard

the tax avocado (DJP), Monday, 3 October 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link

i am fartacus

jaxon, Monday, 3 October 2011 17:53 (twelve years ago) link

Britte and Chang subplot was less funny I think - they're making Britte a bit TOO self-parodic now.

OTM

Also, da croupier OTM but pretty much anything would be a disappointment for me after s2 tbh.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 3 October 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link

the only part of the episode that strained credibility for me was the idea that anyone would let Chang carry a taser, but then I remembered we'd already passed that event horizon when they made Chang into a security guard

lol @ this, I mean that is where you draw the line re: credibility?

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 3 October 2011 18:50 (twelve years ago) link

I have found Chang much less funny since he stopped being a teacher. Also seems like a self-parody to me.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 3 October 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link

yea, he was best as a teacher because he was almost completely in control. when his desperation is at the front of his character he's way less dangerous and less funny.

bass, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 13:26 (twelve years ago) link

considering that the s2 finale was basically a cliffhanger about pierce leaving the group, i took it as a given that they'd have to address that in the premiere. if we get three or four episodes into the season and the group dynamic stuff is still dominating the stories, then i'll complain.

― some dude, Saturday, September 24, 2011 8:51 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark

gripe gripe -- but no this was a good ep

nəverDirty (some dude), Friday, 7 October 2011 00:35 (twelve years ago) link

omar's legos tangent was wonderful

balls, Friday, 7 October 2011 03:29 (twelve years ago) link

YES.

I have that as an internal monologue once a week, I think.

Work Hard, Flunky! (R Baez), Friday, 7 October 2011 03:34 (twelve years ago) link

i said after the first episode i didn't want them to fight anymore, but i didn't have a problem with this. the whole thing had a comfortable season 1 feel to it and i liked it the best of the three so far.

lite-brite phrenology (reddening), Friday, 7 October 2011 07:08 (twelve years ago) link

omar's legos tangent was wonderful

he was otm but LEGO IS PLURAL FFS AARGH

not in america tho!

surprisingly polarized reactions to this episode are showing up in the avclub/sepinwall comments sections -- a few people going so far as to say it's the worst community episode yet. i was like "that's ludicrous" but then i realized i don't really have a "worst episode" previously picked out. maybe the wine tasting episode where pierce almost gets remarried?

lite-brite phrenology (reddening), Friday, 7 October 2011 08:22 (twelve years ago) link

oh that one was terrible. pretty sure in the Harmon season breakdown on avclub he outright apologized for thy one.

Clay, Friday, 7 October 2011 09:20 (twelve years ago) link

yea, he was best as a teacher because he was almost completely in control. when his desperation is at the front of his character he's way less dangerous and less funny.

This is why there's such potential in Chang as the security guard. Not seen the newest one though.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 October 2011 13:57 (twelve years ago) link

the writers seem to think Chang is best used as a total insane maniac

I think we need to see a lot less of him if this is to be the case.

also, poor Magnitude

the tax avocado (DJP), Friday, 7 October 2011 14:00 (twelve years ago) link

i thought Chang was hilarious this last episode

Mordy, Friday, 7 October 2011 14:02 (twelve years ago) link

man i didnt laugh once at chang's storyline, just didnt feel right at all, kind of laborious high-school-sketch-comics setup

max, Friday, 7 October 2011 14:06 (twelve years ago) link

i died, absolutely DIED laughing at "while he was spying i found a turtle!"

max, Friday, 7 October 2011 14:06 (twelve years ago) link

Definitely hope Todd returns.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 7 October 2011 14:14 (twelve years ago) link

things i lol'd at re chang: veronica the leg, the matchbook conspiracy, the saxophone playing (was hilarious), the scene when he is voiceover laughing evilly, "this conspiracy goes to the very top of Arizona" -- not as amazing a psychotic break as Charlie Day's Pepe Silvio but still full of lulz.

Mordy, Friday, 7 October 2011 14:14 (twelve years ago) link

the Todd-bashing was really great, yeah

poor Todd

I did laugh at Chang's fire but that was about it

the tax avocado (DJP), Friday, 7 October 2011 14:15 (twelve years ago) link

The Arizona backwards is Arizona killed me. Also, loved the takedown of Magnitude. Great use of him.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 7 October 2011 14:23 (twelve years ago) link

ha yes, I forgot that Arizona joke

the tax avocado (DJP), Friday, 7 October 2011 14:23 (twelve years ago) link

the veronica the leg thing was funny.

max, Friday, 7 October 2011 14:37 (twelve years ago) link

Honestly the Chang stuff was the only part of the ep that almost got a chuckle out of me.

Simon H., Friday, 7 October 2011 14:38 (twelve years ago) link

I liked Todd, poor guy.

Omar killed it, once again.

I like Chang as a psychopath but wish they keep it on the dl from now on. It's p much all they've done this season.

lol at the britta needs penis gag.

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Friday, 7 October 2011 14:55 (twelve years ago) link

omar's legos tangent was wonderful

And so true.

DaTruf (Nicole), Friday, 7 October 2011 15:48 (twelve years ago) link

i loved that they played the dreamy "secret garden" music from the trampoline episode when he was talking about legos, it made the whole thing sound so mournful.

lite-brite phrenology (reddening), Friday, 7 October 2011 16:06 (twelve years ago) link

Todd was awesome! His voice & intonation was so great...

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 October 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link

throwing the flaming ballots in the wastebasket with the turtle in it was top notch

I DIED, Friday, 7 October 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link

"you know they're laughing at you, right?" was the best. the chang stuff was pretty funny too, though not the most original setup i guess

sonderangerbot, Friday, 7 October 2011 21:23 (twelve years ago) link

don't really feel like michael k williams is that good in this? he's just getting by on who he is and basically transporting his tough-guy image to a silly comedy, but he seems stiff and doesn't really deliver most of the lines very well. the magnitude zing was his most effective bit so far. it's weird to see people complaining about chang and praising williams; the chang character might over the top but ken jeong is an amazing comedic actor.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 7 October 2011 21:33 (twelve years ago) link

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congratulations (n/a), Friday, 7 October 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link

i think chang was the best thing about the episode. i also like michael k williams tho, legos bit was gold.

zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Friday, 7 October 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link

Parts of Chang's thing were great, and other parts were brutally unfunny.

The show is very hit or miss right now, even moment to moment.

polyphonic, Friday, 7 October 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link

was the saxophone playing a night moves reference??

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 8 October 2011 00:13 (twelve years ago) link

don't really feel like michael k williams is that good in this? he's just getting by on who he is and basically transporting his tough-guy image to a silly comedy, but he seems stiff and doesn't really deliver most of the lines very well. the magnitude zing was his most effective bit so far. it's weird to see people complaining about chang and praising williams; the chang character might over the top but ken jeong is an amazing comedic actor.
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― congratulations (n/a), Friday, October 7, 2011 4:36 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

i agree and i'm glad you said it. i mean he's a personable actor and his lines are funny but i don't think he really is that effective here. i guess that's kind of un-PC since everybody loves him from 'the wire' .

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 8 October 2011 00:16 (twelve years ago) link

I liked Chang more than usual in this one just because he didn't SCREAM EVERY LINE

Fellini.Kuti, Saturday, 8 October 2011 00:24 (twelve years ago) link

I like that Williams is a much needed straight man to bring down all the Pop Pop etc.

ℓ٥ﻻ ﻉ√٥υ (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 8 October 2011 00:39 (twelve years ago) link

Haverchuck worked better as a straightman teacher last ep though.

President Keyes, Saturday, 8 October 2011 01:01 (twelve years ago) link

Want more Goodman soon.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Saturday, 8 October 2011 01:14 (twelve years ago) link

I think Dan brought MKW very deliberately as a straight-man and grounding source to everything. He's mentioned repeatedly his paranoia/OCD that S2 broke the boundaries he himself was comfortable with re: a setting based in "realism", and due to that and him shotgunning the Wire in the off-season, made the connection to bring MKW as a dude in authority who's had some hard time dealing with grounded reality himself.

As a completely speculative and somewhat inebriated guess, I'm wondering if Williams will act as the deliberate countersink to all the zany shit that a network sitcom of 20-odd episodes will get up to, either by foregrounding certain character mechanics("Laughing at you") or just providing a in-situ real-world reaction and commentary to the proceedings as they play out for the rest of the year.

Also, am curious how they'll handle him meeting up with John Oliver's professor, or when the Dean's FREAKness gets visibly out of hand.

Primm Slim, Robot Sheriff (kingfish), Saturday, 8 October 2011 01:22 (twelve years ago) link

The Dean using the word "dean" in every conversation still gets me.

Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Saturday, 8 October 2011 01:23 (twelve years ago) link

Also, I should restate how much I enjoy the fact that the behind-the-scenes crew obviously obsess over the characters/plot/dialogue/etc even if its just a network sitcom, and they're going up against shows where, to paraphrase Dan, it's pretty clear than all the writers were home by 5pm.

Primm Slim, Robot Sheriff (kingfish), Saturday, 8 October 2011 01:25 (twelve years ago) link

yeah MKW is pretty perfect imo, in the wrong hands that character could so easily be an angry black man stereotype or maybe in the opposite direction someone overly intellectual/fastidious but they're letting him take it somewhere else (and he totally has comedy chops)

alan2dyk (some dude), Saturday, 8 October 2011 01:26 (twelve years ago) link

chang's metaphors were the best

this ep felt a bit different. can't think of any other times the b-plot was a genre parody and the a-plot wasn't, and the last shot with todd's face (can't remember what it's called, with the circle thing) and maybe some other things. usually they don't really play with narrative conventions unless it's fitting with the main conceit of the episode and they don't do singular gags like that. not to over-think it but maybe this is slightly a new direction wrt dan making the show more accessible.

also i am very sad about sgt nunez quitting, he's been my favorite guest character this season

witchho (zachlyon), Saturday, 8 October 2011 01:42 (twelve years ago) link

this whole episode seemed weirdly unfunny to me, like there were past episodes that were not that laughworthy that had some kind of interesting character drama or observations of people, but here it seemed like it was only interesting if you got what they were parodying, really really specifically, and i just didn't get it.

j., Saturday, 8 October 2011 02:06 (twelve years ago) link

Hm. Apparently I'm weird because I liked this best of the three from this season so far. Not s2 level but had me lolling, even if it was dumb.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 8 October 2011 02:47 (twelve years ago) link

polyphonic has it, I think. show is erratic as hell this season, and suffering for it. much prefer self-aggrandizing chang to the hot mess writers turned him into in S2. stop wasting the guy, he can be awesome but this crazy loser schtick is just tired and dumb.

still get super-excited for the whole day before it comes on (well, it and P&R together)

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 8 October 2011 03:09 (twelve years ago) link

i always feel like people are overthinking chang. they haven't given him a single thing he hasn't been able to make funny yet imo.

alan2dyk (some dude), Saturday, 8 October 2011 03:11 (twelve years ago) link

the show has always been erratic, pretty much by design

congratulations (n/a), Saturday, 8 October 2011 03:14 (twelve years ago) link

but the show is my rock!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 8 October 2011 03:25 (twelve years ago) link

at least until 30 rock comes back.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 8 October 2011 03:25 (twelve years ago) link

always seems weird when someone makes generalizations about an entire 20+ episode season 3 eps in

not criticizing, just feels like when people judge a ballplayer's stats a week into the season, i just don't get it

witchho (zachlyon), Saturday, 8 October 2011 03:34 (twelve years ago) link

you shoulda heard me 3 seconds into the first episode

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 8 October 2011 04:04 (twelve years ago) link

i agree and i'm glad you said it. i mean he's a personable actor and his lines are funny but i don't think he really is that effective here. i guess that's kind of un-PC since everybody loves him from 'the wire' .

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 8 October 2011 01:16 (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i don't think you understand 'political correctness'

also who is sgt nunez?

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 8 October 2011 06:25 (twelve years ago) link

the head of security who quit at the end. he's been a highlight for me as well.

you know, the thing. keeps the cars out.

Fellini.Kuti, Saturday, 8 October 2011 07:18 (twelve years ago) link

Todd was awesome! His voice & intonation was so great...

― Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, October 7, 2011 1:02 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

I actually hated him and most of this episode on first viewing. But then, I also switched off the tv in anger at Homer's line "and the domestication of the dog continued unabated" in "And Maggie Makes Three" when that first aired; now that's one of my favorite episodes. And I reversed myself on Todd/this episode when I watched it again (his screechy speech at the end ruled).

Community is getting/has gotten into Simpsons Golden Era territory. There is no turning back.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 8 October 2011 07:26 (twelve years ago) link

The "No offense, Todd" repetition was great.

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 8 October 2011 07:31 (twelve years ago) link

OFFENSE TAKEN

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 8 October 2011 07:32 (twelve years ago) link

He really is a weird looking dude too.

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 8 October 2011 07:35 (twelve years ago) link

He looked like an over-inflated Art Garfunkel.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 8 October 2011 07:43 (twelve years ago) link

the logline and title of next week's episode have me pretty psyched if you want to spoil just that little bit for yourself.

Clay, Saturday, 8 October 2011 08:12 (twelve years ago) link

i agree and i'm glad you said it. i mean he's a personable actor and his lines are funny but i don't think he really is that effective here. i guess that's kind of un-PC since everybody loves him from 'the wire' .
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 8 October 2011 01:16 (6 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i don't think you understand 'political correctness'
also who is sgt nunez?
― Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Saturday, October 8, 2011 1:25 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

i think you are being a condescending ass and are excessively literal-minded to boot. hugs :x

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 8 October 2011 13:47 (twelve years ago) link

(^o^)

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 8 October 2011 13:50 (twelve years ago) link

is that a bat taking flight?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 8 October 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

there was a lot of amusing stuff in this episode, esp anything involving Todd, but I one thing I loved about the show was how there was always relationship and character growth underneath the genre exercises - Det Chang just felt like empty wackiness in comparison, even if there were some decent lines.

da croupier, Sunday, 9 October 2011 02:31 (twelve years ago) link

Liked it plenty on the first watch and like it even more on the second - the Todd bits get funnier.

Work Hard, Flunky! (R Baez), Sunday, 9 October 2011 02:37 (twelve years ago) link

Todd is an amazing character and I hope we see more of him. I also love it when Jeff gets butthurt about not being as popular as he thinks he is.

The Chang stuff was pretty funny as well but I'm not sure Community works as well when it's just one character off doing their own thing. It would've been a better central
concept rather than a side-adventure.

Matt DC, Sunday, 9 October 2011 09:18 (twelve years ago) link

Chang was so entwined with Britta last week that it worked to have him off being mental with Nunez and the Dean this time

The dual voiceover near the end is really funny once you work out what's going through the Dean's head.

I might be wrong but I think Williams' character is meant to be a pisstake of Shawshank Redemption style prison mawk?

Matt DC, Sunday, 9 October 2011 12:39 (twelve years ago) link

Det Chang just felt like empty wackiness in comparison, even if there were some decent lines.

Yeah, this really registered on second viewing. It also seemed much less funny than it did at first. I think I felt similarly about Britta's OTT-ness in the previous episode.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 12:42 (twelve years ago) link

The mannequin leg was classic IMO: "Get some rest. You must need it."

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Tuesday, 11 October 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link

yes, this episode.

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 14 October 2011 00:17 (twelve years ago) link

PIZZA PIZZA IN MY TUMMY PIZZA PIZZA ME SO HUNGY

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 14 October 2011 00:20 (twelve years ago) link

Pregnancy test joke was all-time.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 14 October 2011 00:42 (twelve years ago) link

holy shit this episode was so good

da croupier, Friday, 14 October 2011 00:44 (twelve years ago) link

oh god the outro

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 14 October 2011 00:50 (twelve years ago) link

I like that they're illustrating quantum mechanics and multiverse/timeline-theory using _actual_ dice rolls.

Primm Slim, Robot Sheriff (kingfish), Friday, 14 October 2011 01:10 (twelve years ago) link

Community for the win.

Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Friday, 14 October 2011 03:16 (twelve years ago) link

IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING:

RT @meganganz The troll is named Torg. #TorgFYI

Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Friday, 14 October 2011 04:04 (twelve years ago) link

Countdown to someone bitching about "another episode about the group dynamic in 5... 4..."

Seriously though, this was great. Best episode of the season so far.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 14 October 2011 04:07 (twelve years ago) link

britta is amazing this season

lite-brite phrenology (reddening), Friday, 14 October 2011 05:18 (twelve years ago) link

Bottle episode means an elaborate one can't be far off!

nickn, Friday, 14 October 2011 05:48 (twelve years ago) link

hoooooooooly maaaaaaaaaaaacaroni what was that? jeff lost an arm!

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Friday, 14 October 2011 06:25 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't mind another group dynamic episode when done this way. Although, I thought it worth noting that the only time things got better when someone left the apartment to go get the pizzas was when Jeff went. Things went from normal to better, whereas when anyone else left it went from normal to various degrees of terrible.

britta is amazing this season

PIZZA PIZZA IN MY TUMMY PIZZA PIZZA ME SO HUNGY

^ 1000% otm

Johnny Fever, Friday, 14 October 2011 06:39 (twelve years ago) link

einh

flopson, Friday, 14 October 2011 07:12 (twelve years ago) link

Wow! That was perfect!

pandemic, Friday, 14 October 2011 07:54 (twelve years ago) link

Troy's voice!!

pandemic, Friday, 14 October 2011 07:57 (twelve years ago) link

And Troy and his candy cigarettes.

pandemic, Friday, 14 October 2011 08:02 (twelve years ago) link

So psyched to see this. I have been waiting for Troy and Abed to throw a party for about two seasons now.

I hope they invited Pavel and Magnitude.

Matt DC, Friday, 14 October 2011 09:08 (twelve years ago) link

yeah this wasn't a 'group dynamic' episode imo. something that advances individual relationships between troy and pierce, jeff and annie, britta and shirley etc etc with all these great little moments is much better than "is pierce in or out?" part 12.

some dude, Friday, 14 October 2011 11:03 (twelve years ago) link

some dude otm, my comment wasn't aimed at anyone around here, mostly other boards where I've seen excessive bitching about the "group dynamic" stuff

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 14 October 2011 13:10 (twelve years ago) link

Gah, fucking Torg was in my dream last night. I hate you Dan Harmon for putting that nasty little troll on my tv!

Johnny Fever, Friday, 14 October 2011 14:09 (twelve years ago) link

the past 2 episodes werent so bad but this was, kind of awful?

flopson, Friday, 14 October 2011 16:58 (twelve years ago) link

the thing theyre doing with jeff and annie I DONT LIKE IT I WANT IT TO STOP

flopson, Friday, 14 October 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link

none of the characters are cool anymore theyre all just these dumb caricatures of themselves who only ever do embarassing things and its not even hot or fun when they fall in love just gross

flopson, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:01 (twelve years ago) link

wait, the characters used to cool?

da croupier, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:03 (twelve years ago) link

You should stop watching this terrible show then, imho. I mean if you thought this episode was awful, I'm wondering exactly what you've seen in the show in the past.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:03 (twelve years ago) link

to be cool, I mean?

da croupier, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:03 (twelve years ago) link

i like the idea that this used to be a show about cool people getting into hot love scenes

da croupier, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:04 (twelve years ago) link

chaflopson

Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Friday, 14 October 2011 17:04 (twelve years ago) link

maybe the comments were meant for a gossip girl thread?

da croupier, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:05 (twelve years ago) link

some good moments tho

jeff: this club looks like it was designed for me
abed : it was, i designed it for you so that you would keep tonight free

also pierce getting shot in the leg was a huge lol

flopson, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:06 (twelve years ago) link

those were both nice breaks from the caricatures doing embarrassing things, weren't they?

da croupier, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:07 (twelve years ago) link

ya idk i only caught up on community over the summer so none of my love for the first two seasons is documented on this thread, then again i don't see the need to explain my challenging opinion about why i think its dropping off to people who were keeling over at PIZZA PIZZA ME SO HUNGY

re: "cool:" jeff and britta used to be, like, impenetrably witty, from both within the group & with each other. i realize the softening is part of their char development but they dont even have good zings or comebacks anymore & say awkward dumb crap all the time. this has been noted previous but abed has always been cool in a nerdy way, the episode where its revealed tons of girls are into him kind of makes sense; he's detached and smart and observant. now i'm not so sure what they think he is

flopson, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:15 (twelve years ago) link

ceiling fan gag = gold

j., Friday, 14 October 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link

also: the jeff britta romance was fun and tense and hilarious! this annie thing is gross and i know thats the joke but its TOO GROSS

flopson, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:16 (twelve years ago) link

i will admit now isn't a good time for a jeff/britta shipper

da croupier, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:18 (twelve years ago) link

fwiw I thought the Britta "HUNGY" thing wasn't funny, so flopson otm there I guess

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:19 (twelve years ago) link

Fortunately for that line, it didn't exist in a context- or setup-free vacuum.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:20 (twelve years ago) link

Twasn't a joke, just a nice bit of ridiculousness one does a) when in the loosened atmosphere of a party and b) as a stupid bit of nonsense you do when you're stoned. It's OTM in that regard.

Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Friday, 14 October 2011 17:22 (twelve years ago) link

the shocking revelation that a disbarred, fradulent lawyer and a 30 year old who has done peace corps and foot modeling after dropping out of high school to "impress Radiohead" at a community college are prone to foolish behavior

da croupier, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:23 (twelve years ago) link

xp That was my point. The criticisms against it seemed to miss the setup.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:27 (twelve years ago) link

Chop busted, fellow adult. Chop busted.

da croupier, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

Fortunately for that line, it didn't exist in a context- or setup-free vacuum.

Sorry guys, next time I will refer to the entire contect and setup for every joke rather than try to refer to it in shorthand. I mean, I get the setup and context, I just don't think she pulled it off in a way that made me laugh. Now, Annie doing that in a similar set-up after her first time getting stoned or something probably would have cracked me up.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

I also really appreciate the insinuation that because I didn't think a joke was funny that I didn't get the "context" or "setup". ffs u guys.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

haha donald glover's delivery on "chop busted" kills me

horseshoe, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:35 (twelve years ago) link

tbf you piggybacked off an incoherent challop, jon

da croupier, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:35 (twelve years ago) link

tbrr, I wasn't piggybacking on any single part of it except the Britta joke I didn't like

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:37 (twelve years ago) link

well let that be a lesson to you

da croupier, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:38 (twelve years ago) link

jvc, sorry, to clarify, it was directed more at flopson's "its dropping off to people who were keeling over at PIZZA PIZZA ME SO HUNGY", as if the show was becoming some one-dimensional "but Football In The Groin had a football in the groin."

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:39 (twelve years ago) link

I gotcha. But, tbh, my comment was for a general reaction to that argument I get from people wrt to comedy about not liking a particular joke, "oh well, you just didn't get the setup". Uh, no, I did, I just didn't laugh.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link

I hear ya. However, on re-watching, I noticed that the first line of the couplet is "PIZZA PIZZA GO IN TUMMY" (not "in my tummy"), which is some next-level shit.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:41 (twelve years ago) link

"encarta it"

Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Friday, 14 October 2011 17:44 (twelve years ago) link

^^^^ now that one was a great line

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

brittas pizza dance was the best wtf bros cmon

koyannisquatsi hop (Lamp), Friday, 14 October 2011 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

I think Dan Harmon's master plan is to divide the show's fan base just for laughs.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 14 October 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

i think to some extent this episode exaggerated some of the characters traits in order to emphasize their absence during the roll of the die in which they were gone & also to examine the role they played w/in the group or w/e so it came off as p cartoonish/stupid in places but i liked it i guess im just a sucker for the general premise and i liked seeing the 'what ifs' idk jeff making all these ppl worse was kindof a brilliant way to end this episode??

koyannisquatsi hop (Lamp), Friday, 14 October 2011 17:57 (twelve years ago) link

considering we had annie in a cage protesting a mock UN meeting two episodes ago i didn't think her doing a pizza dance after smoking pot at a party was really that cartoonish

da croupier, Friday, 14 October 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

d'oh i mean Britta

da croupier, Friday, 14 October 2011 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

Britta has always done stupid intentionally-written-to-be-unfunny shit like the pizza dance. It was sooooo in character. And LOL at how stupid that shit was. So, I don't get some of you guys, I guess?

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link

re: "cool:" jeff and britta used to be, like, impenetrably witty

they've always been douchebags, the fact that you thought of them as "cool" maybe says more about you than it does about the show.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:05 (twelve years ago) link

I loves me some Britta/Gillian Jacobs but I don't think she's anywhere NEAR as good a physical comedienne as Alison Brie. She's just game, I guess, which counts for a lot but I'm not always sold when she goes broad.

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:07 (twelve years ago) link

sorry but that is wrong

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:08 (twelve years ago) link

sorry, i hate it when people post like that

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

like me i mean

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

my second sorry was an actual apology.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

hahahaha ymmv I guess.

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

can't really think of any big alison brie physical comedy moments is the problem.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link

the conspiracy episode, for one. I also think Brie is an objectively better actress but ymmv again

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:10 (twelve years ago) link

the bottle episode for 2

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link

any stiffness in Britta's "physical comedy" has been pretty in character (last thing that pizza dance should have been was natural), though I'm certainly all for Alison Brie having more physical moments

da croupier, Friday, 14 October 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link

I'm all for having physical moments w/ alison brie

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:13 (twelve years ago) link

did you feel my last post wasn't doggish enough

da croupier, Friday, 14 October 2011 18:14 (twelve years ago) link

Debate CLub for 3

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

I just fill the role I was given xp

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

1st halloween episode

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

these are episodes of community yes

da croupier, Friday, 14 October 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

can't really think of any big alison brie physical comedy moments is the problem.

― congratulations (n/a), Friday, October 14, 2011 2:10 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link

all episodes that have alison brie doing physical comedy. conspiracy has her in the hallway 'giving up', for example.

Ravaging Rick Rude (a hoy hoy), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link

Her tantrum in the UN episode two weeks ago. Awkward, perhaps not comedic, but I liked it.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 14 October 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link

Also, her faint/fall at the end of the Todd episode.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 14 October 2011 18:32 (twelve years ago) link

i remember reading that alison brie worked as a clown before she made it big, whereas i think gillian jacobs studied acting at juilliard? anyway i'm really loving this new, looser britta. like her line last week about worms having tiny faces, she's taking the horrible awkwardness we saw in "turning it into a snake" and letting it run free.

lite-brite phrenology (reddening), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:46 (twelve years ago) link

also we got some good troy screaming when he was fighting for the present with pierce! it wasn't quite "troy crying" but it was still quality.

lite-brite phrenology (reddening), Friday, 14 October 2011 18:51 (twelve years ago) link

I DEMAND TO BE HOUSEWARMED!

da croupier, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:04 (twelve years ago) link

That was perfection, probably in my top 5 episodes ever. The penultimate scene with Jeff's arm was amazing.

Matt DC, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

Loved this episode.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:24 (twelve years ago) link

Pretty much think that Alison Brie's acting/comedic timing is the worst part of the show, I'm really surprised that anyone rates her. She's just so awkward and always "on" in the worst way.

Melissa W, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:27 (twelve years ago) link

GIVE ME THIS YOU GODLESS HIPPIE SKANK

Matt DC, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link

Also Britta's wofeul impression of Sting doing a Jamaican accent = k-classic

Matt DC, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

evil troy and evil aaaabed

mookieproof, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link

Also did anyone notice that Troy and Abed were watching Inspector Spacetime right at the end?

Considering he's been promoted to the main cast we haven't seen much of the Dean so far.

Matt DC, Friday, 14 October 2011 19:51 (twelve years ago) link

I think that was more about holding onto him because he's been in too much to be considered 'recurring'. Interesting that this episode has been the best of the season so far and featured no Dean or Chang.

Rory's new misogynist car (Gukbe), Friday, 14 October 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link

I wouldn't lump the Dean in with Chang when it comes to funny/unfunny arguments -- Chang can be a weak link sometimes but the Dean is classic.

lite-brite phrenology (reddening), Friday, 14 October 2011 19:57 (twelve years ago) link

I mean you probably weren't doing that, I just am protective of Jim Rash.

lite-brite phrenology (reddening), Friday, 14 October 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link

back on form w/this ep

i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Friday, 14 October 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link

hfs this ep

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 14 October 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

troy eating the candy cig was perfect

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 14 October 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

Hah, I've just read the rest of this discussion and, well, if you haven't worked out that Britta is a massive dork by now then what show have you been watching? She can do mean-spirited snark (ie everything she said to Jeff for most of the first season) but gentle comedy has always been beyond her. The pizza stuff was funny because it was so lame. And she was kinda high.

Also where is Professor Ian Duncan? Presumably doing Daily Show stuff and Britta studying psychology suggests he'll turn up at some point but I am missing my dose of hilarious fake Britishisms.

Matt DC, Friday, 14 October 2011 20:32 (twelve years ago) link

john oliver's character is good when he's but he never felt like so much a part of the show that i care whether he comes or goes.

some dude, Saturday, 15 October 2011 01:48 (twelve years ago) link

if troy and abed have an apartment now does that mean no more pavel??

j., Saturday, 15 October 2011 04:54 (twelve years ago) link

say it ain't so!

also that bottom gif is O_O

phantompenguin, Saturday, 15 October 2011 04:56 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ry-yADQms1A

j., Saturday, 15 October 2011 04:59 (twelve years ago) link

First good episode of the season.

polyphonic, Saturday, 15 October 2011 05:17 (twelve years ago) link

agreed, haven't been feeling this season at all but this episode was clasic

Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Saturday, 15 October 2011 05:19 (twelve years ago) link

1. classic episode

2.

also: the jeff britta romance was fun and tense and hilarious! this annie thing is gross and i know thats the joke but its TOO GROSS

i don't get this at all. allison brie is gorgeous. the only reason i ever even remember the age discrepancy between jeff + annie is bc the show itself keeps reminding me of it. if it didn't i'd probably forget that these two attractive actors weren't close enough in age to be in a relationship. so to call it 'too gross' bc of the very context the show maintains seems a little selective and strange.

Mordy, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link

I liked how removing Jeff from the group = everyone ends up happy.

I feel a bit sorry for Troy and Abed because Annie would be the most annoying anal flatmate imaginable.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 19:49 (twelve years ago) link

The look Troy was shooting Abed when he invited Annie to stay with them suggests he feels the same way.

DaTruf (Nicole), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 19:54 (twelve years ago) link

I am still massively in awe of Troy's timeline

I think I would understand the stance against Shirley's baking if they'd actually said her baked goods were bad; since it seemed to be a nebulous "you can't define yourself with baked goods" thing, it felt more like the group was ganging up on her for the sake of ganging up on her.

Britta is really surging back this season as a fucking hilarious character! She has been hitting all kinds of highs with me every week. Ha.

do not wake the dragon (DJP), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link

Last week's was by far my favorite episode of this show that I have seen.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link

I think I would understand the stance against Shirley's baking if they'd actually said her baked goods were bad; since it seemed to be a nebulous "you can't define yourself with baked goods" thing, it felt more like the group was ganging up on her for the sake of ganging up on her.

It really wasn't even the group -- I don't think anyone would have minded if Jeff hadn't started harping on about how it was a bad thing. It seemed like another example of Jeff being a fun-hater.

DaTruf (Nicole), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 20:06 (twelve years ago) link

that makes more sense, although I'd think by this point Jeff would have started shedding some of his "I remake you in my own image" tendencies

do not wake the dragon (DJP), Wednesday, 19 October 2011 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

You didn't think her pizzas with cream cheese and ketchup sounded bad? Abed wasn't very supportive of her baking at the beginning.

That was perfection, probably in my top 5 episodes ever. The penultimate scene with Jeff's arm was amazing.

― Matt DC, Friday, 14 October 2011 14:23 (5 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

OTM.

This makes me sad however:

Pretty much think that Alison Brie's acting/comedic timing is the worst part of the show, I'm really surprised that anyone rates her. She's just so awkward and always "on" in the worst way.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 20 October 2011 03:33 (twelve years ago) link

Everytime I watch this episode I repeatedly rewind to see the two seconds of "flames in the troll's eyes/Roxanne on the soundtrack". A gif of that would be nice, but it wouldn't be the same without the song.

Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Thursday, 20 October 2011 03:44 (twelve years ago) link

imo 'on' is the character, what she does totally fits in the tone and sensibility of the show (xpost)

some dude, Thursday, 20 October 2011 03:44 (twelve years ago) link

You didn't think her pizzas with cream cheese and ketchup sounded bad? Abed wasn't very supportive of her baking at the beginning.

lol I'd forgotten about that and was thinking about the mini pies

do not wake the dragon (DJP), Thursday, 20 October 2011 03:54 (twelve years ago) link

food trends men hate!

some dude, Thursday, 20 October 2011 03:55 (twelve years ago) link

(To be clear, it was Melissa's lack of appreciation of Brie that made me sad, not Brie's awesome acting and comedic timing.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 20 October 2011 03:57 (twelve years ago) link

more than just the jeff negativity i feel like this episode made explicit the 'troy is secretly the hero/protagonist' thing they've been pushing at for a while

some dude, Thursday, 20 October 2011 03:58 (twelve years ago) link

imo 'on' is the character, what she does totally fits in the tone and sensibility of the show (xpost)

― some dude, Wednesday, October 19, 2011 11:44 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

otm

horseshoe, Thursday, 20 October 2011 04:01 (twelve years ago) link

i don't get this at all. allison brie is gorgeous. the only reason i ever even remember the age discrepancy between jeff + annie is bc the show itself keeps reminding me of it. if it didn't i'd probably forget that these two attractive actors weren't close enough in age to be in a relationship. so to call it 'too gross' bc of the very context the show maintains seems a little selective and strange.

― Mordy, Wednesday, 19 October 2011 15:03 (Yesterday) Bookmark

oh i don't find it gross because of their age difference or for a lack of good looks on either side. the way that they awkwardly invoke the age diff/annie's maturity & jeff's greasy lines and too-serious cheek stroking--it's like squirming bordering on setting off my gag reflex

flopson, Thursday, 20 October 2011 04:15 (twelve years ago) link

I'll admit that it worked a little better in season 1.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 20 October 2011 04:18 (twelve years ago) link

i was feeling bad about being neg about the new season on this thread & wanted to apologize for maybe sowing the seed of doubt and ruining any of your thursday nights and then, unable to post, was racked with guilt during downtime meltdown, but now the op

lol?
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 September 2009 14:44 (2 years ago) Bookmark

feels like such a validation i had to get straight back to hating

flopson, Thursday, 20 October 2011 04:26 (twelve years ago) link

huh. didn't like this one.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 20 October 2011 04:33 (twelve years ago) link

I totally love all four episodes of ssn 3. fuck the haters.

My dream for the next 4ish years of this show is that it is retired after exactly 6 seasons and a movie, and the move will be called College Cut-ups 2: Party Raid Academy

Fellini.Kuti, Thursday, 20 October 2011 05:24 (twelve years ago) link

I actually think that Ken Jeong, Danny Pudi and Donald Glover are as good if not better when it comes to physical comedy, but they're mostly all good at it, maybe only Chevy Chase lets the side down.

Matt DC, Thursday, 20 October 2011 09:01 (twelve years ago) link

Shirley's transition from 'hopeful bustling walk' to 'furious bustling walk' cracks me up every time.

Matt DC, Thursday, 20 October 2011 09:02 (twelve years ago) link

seeing some snippets of Chase going from casual Chevy to awkward or bumbling Pierce on the S1 DVD extras made me hugely appreciate what a beast he is at physical comedy

the men who glare at stoats (sic), Thursday, 20 October 2011 11:30 (twelve years ago) link

C'mon, Chevy is like the Miles Davis of falling over

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 20 October 2011 15:59 (twelve years ago) link

I despise everything Chase has ever done (except for Community, to my own surprise), and even I'd agree with that statement.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:17 (twelve years ago) link

Though that cigarette gag was Airplane!-worthy.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:23 (twelve years ago) link

I want to see Karate Dog:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McGqeq600D8

DaTruf (Nicole), Thursday, 20 October 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link

No Community today? What about Parks & Rec?

kinder, Friday, 21 October 2011 05:52 (twelve years ago) link

all of the nbc thursday shows are off this week, back next.

Clay, Friday, 21 October 2011 05:56 (twelve years ago) link

Preview of next week's Halloween episode

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 21 October 2011 23:49 (twelve years ago) link

(To be clear, it was Melissa's lack of appreciation of Brie that made me sad, not Brie's awesome acting and comedic timing.)

She's just never met a joke she couldn't strangle to death with OTT overacting. I think the show immediately gets less funny whenever it's focusing on her. I think Joel McHale's comic timing is really labored on the show too, fwiw.

Melissa W, Saturday, 22 October 2011 00:00 (twelve years ago) link

Of course.

DaTruf (Nicole), Saturday, 22 October 2011 00:17 (twelve years ago) link

and i liked seeing the 'what ifs' idk jeff making all these ppl worse was kindof a brilliant way to end this episode??
I liked how removing Jeff from the group = everyone ends up happy.
I loved this too

one of the best episodes imo - it touched my nostalgia for repeated POV movies like Clue and Mystery Train

Nhex, Saturday, 22 October 2011 04:30 (twelve years ago) link

I am a horny man, and I'm only half-present

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 28 October 2011 14:31 (twelve years ago) link

I was going to try ranking the stories but they were all hilarious. Shirley is super underappreciated, I think.

he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2011 15:14 (twelve years ago) link

Shirley's story was the fucking best, mostly because of the Dean. Dude is on fire this season.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 28 October 2011 15:18 (twelve years ago) link

Lags in comparison to the last ep - you can see why that was intended as the third in order - but plenty fun. Still I was cracking up all throughout - Britta covered in blood, Abed's ruthless logic, etc.

"The dean's bringing free meat from the army surplus!"

Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Friday, 28 October 2011 15:34 (twelve years ago) link

Abed's line about not happening to turn on the radio right as the news report came on was A+++, as was Troy's hand motions and lip-synching.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 28 October 2011 15:36 (twelve years ago) link

I only picked up on the fact that Abed and Troy were dressed up as Inspector Spacetime and the Constable after the fact.

Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Friday, 28 October 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link

Used "fact" twice - ha.

Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Friday, 28 October 2011 15:45 (twelve years ago) link

"You just Britta'd Britta'd!"

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 28 October 2011 16:16 (twelve years ago) link

I just found out about Drunken Histories like yesterday, and the first Britta story was weirdly like that, or whatever.

kinder, Friday, 28 October 2011 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

I really want to go back to season 1 and see if Britta was this hopeless even then; I remember her being opinionated but not completely hopeless early in the show (which, sadly, made her less interesting).

he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2011 17:51 (twelve years ago) link

no she definitely got more hapless and sympathetic, at the beginning she was kind of sarcastic and obnoxious like a lady jeff

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 28 October 2011 18:28 (twelve years ago) link

On the season 1 DVD commentaries, Dan Harmon talks about how worried they were about how underdeveloped Britta was at the beginning.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:39 (twelve years ago) link

Troy and Abed, sewn together.

kate78, Friday, 28 October 2011 18:40 (twelve years ago) link

I know there was baseball, but damn a 1.4 is pretty low.

encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 28 October 2011 19:31 (twelve years ago) link

i just remembered the michele norris/erroll morris joke - "don't worry, they address it"

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 28 October 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

hahahaha

I love Britta so much

he carried yellow flowers (DJP), Friday, 28 October 2011 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

me too

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 28 October 2011 19:39 (twelve years ago) link

isn't it Nichelle norris?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 28 October 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.npr.org/people/2100974/michele-norris

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 28 October 2011 20:49 (twelve years ago) link

I loved that in Shirley's story everyone was dressed like grunge kids.

bouquet beatdown (Nicole), Friday, 28 October 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, britta pouring "WEED" all over herself and jeff saying "now that's my idea of a pot bong!"

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 28 October 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link

"We interrupt your death metal to bring you a heavy announcement."

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link

Warren Piece

encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 28 October 2011 22:32 (twelve years ago) link

^^^^ all time lolz

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 28 October 2011 22:34 (twelve years ago) link

wonder how many bottle eps they'll need to make up for all that SFX

witchho (zachlyon), Friday, 28 October 2011 22:35 (twelve years ago) link

werewolf and vampire were the only fancy fx rly? and that sort of thing is usually done by Ch101 ppl. everything else was just costumes/makeup iirc, and despite so many stories, most of them used the same set

the men who glare at stoats (sic), Friday, 28 October 2011 23:12 (twelve years ago) link

flying frying pan and flying knife/sandwiches

encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 28 October 2011 23:18 (twelve years ago) link

troy and abed referencing monkeybone was inspired

phantompenguin, Saturday, 29 October 2011 00:18 (twelve years ago) link

"TEACH ME... TO READ!"

Matt DC, Saturday, 29 October 2011 10:22 (twelve years ago) link

The sheer density of the gags in the last two episodes has been astonishing. Feel like it's okay to admit that the first two and a half eps were slightly below par because the last two have been as good if not better than the show has ever been.

"Which of you girls can count to 30?"

Shirley is super underappreciated, I think.

Shirley seemed to get more play than most of the other characters last year because Harmon was consciously trying to flesh out her character but she's been used pretty sparingly so far this year. This does however mean that line-for-line she's probably the funniest character right now, simply because everything she says starts of so sweet and has this hilarious judgmental sting in the tail. Also she REALLY hates Britta right now.

Also... "GAY MARRIAGE!"

Matt DC, Saturday, 29 October 2011 10:29 (twelve years ago) link

The sheer density of the gags in the last two episodes has been astonishing. Feel like it's okay to admit that the first two and a half eps were slightly below par because the last two have been as good if not better than the show has ever been.

More than most shows, you can feel the writers prioritizing certain eps and putting others on autopilot; there are rarely "pretty good" Community episodes, only "decent" and "amazing".

Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Saturday, 29 October 2011 16:19 (twelve years ago) link

wait what is the difference between "pretty good" and "decent"

Metal Dennis Perrin (some dude), Saturday, 29 October 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link

the # of streets ahead.

The Man With The Flavored Toothpick (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 29 October 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

CALLED OUT FOR TALKING OUT OF MY ASS:

"Pretty good" is the ep where Jeff plays nude pool and White Abed makes his appearance. "Decent" is the Todd ep from three weeks back.

I dunno, I've been watching bits of season one, before the focus became more conceptual, and I feel like there's a really long run of "pretty good" eps, bits where it's all just chemistry and hanging out framed by some vague half-assed plot. Things changed, obv. I'm not complaining - Community, at its bare minimum still carries me along plenty, but I just felt like noting the diff.

Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Saturday, 29 October 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link

nude pool was great imo

Metal Dennis Perrin (some dude), Saturday, 29 October 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i would put nude pool as classic, or semi-classic

Nhex, Saturday, 29 October 2011 16:54 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah - yer prob. right. A better choice, waaaay after the fact, for "pretty good" is the ep where Britta tells Jeff "You gotta bang that kid's mom!" and Troy And Abed try to enact every college cliche.

Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Saturday, 29 October 2011 16:58 (twelve years ago) link

all time for "College Cut-Ups 2: Panty Raid Academy"

encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 29 October 2011 17:02 (twelve years ago) link

I like that we've established that they're all clinically mental in some way - one big, codependent, dysfunctional family. All their quirks are a little more believable when you allow them real diagnoses. I like that the humor has picked up over the last two episodes. I wish there was more believable drama going on. I mean, I just want something fresh. Give Troy or Abed a significant other. Go ahead and hook up Jeff with Annie. I need some real character development instead of the same old.

I think this might be the last season for Community soley based on the bleek network ratings mentioned in this thread. At this point I don't see how the show will last unless it has Michael Scott guest star or something like that.

hotter than a hoochie coochie (CaptainLorax), Saturday, 29 October 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link

NBC doesn't have a lot of other stuff doing better and Community's studio will likely lobby for a fourth season to reach the syndication 100 goal.

President Keyes, Saturday, 29 October 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link

They've kept "Chuck" around for like 20 seasons despite its dismal ratings.

President Keyes, Saturday, 29 October 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link

At some point there's got to be a clearing out. Community has such a tiny audience it doesn't have much hope for being a big syndication smash, plus they would need another season and a bit to make it to 100. The studio would have to take on a much larger portion of the costs, I reckon, and I'm not sure they'd be willing to do it. The real, ever-present danger is if NBC decides to totally overhaul at some point. Whitney was up against the baseball - predictably, I guess - but if that sort of thing works for them they might head into that direction. Especially if The Office is on its last legs.

encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 29 October 2011 19:52 (twelve years ago) link

maybe it'll stay, maybe it'll go, kind of feels like a drag to dwell on the question though

mylo & xylotis (some dude), Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:05 (twelve years ago) link

umm who are the people watching community though? kids w/ tumblrs more likely to buy expensive shit than whoever watches mike & molly.

a hoy hoy, Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:18 (twelve years ago) link

Even if everyone who watches it is in the demo, it's still not very many.

encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

Really liked that one!

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

are there (m)any shows picking up that demo in high numbers though?

a hoy hoy, Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:43 (twelve years ago) link

Community would be huge on British TV I reckon. Can see a lot of Europe taking to it as well.

Matt DC, Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:50 (twelve years ago) link

on other networks, yeah. the networks, other than CBS, almost look exclusively at the demo numbers, and Community would be cancelled on any one of them. Basically NBC really requires a 1.6 at the absolute minimum, and Community isn't even hitting that. Most other networks would pull a show if it drops below a 2.0. Community is the lowest rated comedy of the night. Only Prime Suspect does worse. xpost

encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 29 October 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

prime suspect is doing worse than that?? : (

j., Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

I think it got a 1.2 this past week, which is especially bad given their peppering their line-up with reruns. That number was affected by the baseball, but on a good week it doesn't do better than 1.6. They're really desperate for it to work, but any other network would have pulled it immediately and thrown on reruns of something else. Worst thing about the 10:00 slot is that local affiliates will kick up a bigger fuss about really low ratings as well.

encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:15 (twelve years ago) link

how could any fan of cop shows want to watch latter-day svu reruns more than prime suspect?? : (

anyway i see that prime suspect is opposite the mentalist, that must be tough.

j., Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:26 (twelve years ago) link

The Mentalist does much better, but it's been on a pretty steady decline the last two years. People just don't trust NBC to do anything other than Sunday Night Football, I guess.

encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 29 October 2011 21:36 (twelve years ago) link

nbc is in such dire straights that it's really, really hard to predict what's going to be picked up and what won't. instead of having this discussion between episodes every week, just enjoy the episodes as they come.

Clay, Saturday, 29 October 2011 22:30 (twelve years ago) link

nude pool ep is peak community imo, i admire the concept episodes and enjoy them a lot, but nude pool was the episode where i thought "goddamn this show has it all figured out."

on the downside i tend to compare non-concept episodes to nude pool, and idk if they've had a non-concept episode that's reached that high point in a while.

lite-brite phrenology (reddening), Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:03 (twelve years ago) link

Community did get picked up in the UK... on Viva. They showed the first season in double-bills on Tuesdays. They re-ran it once at 2am on weekday mornings. I dunno how the contract works, but I don't see any of the channels where it'd actually pick up a following taking a punt on it.

William Bloody Swygart, Saturday, 29 October 2011 23:10 (twelve years ago) link

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltudkmU7N21qz6f9yo1_500.jpg

mookieproof, Sunday, 30 October 2011 01:44 (twelve years ago) link

I don't see any of the channels where it'd actually pick up a following taking a punt on it.

I don't understand it either. It gets shown in Ireland too on some similarly obscure, U.S. centric station. I don't know anyone else who watches it who wasn't told about it by me. I don't get how these deals are done either. Surely it would be huge on E4? Maybe they'll buy it when it gets cancelled.

trishyb, Sunday, 30 October 2011 09:38 (twelve years ago) link

I did laugh at the "....This is NPR" tag in Shirley's story.

This ep was good, but I think I dug the multi-verse one a bit more.

When are they going to give John Goodman something to do?

Kinda wondering if Inspector Spacetime will be involved at some point where Evil Troy & Evil Abed invade into regular T&A's universe.

also, new community merch!

http://www.nbcuniversalstore.com/community/index.php?v=nbc_community

http://www.nbcuniversalstore.com/img/product/resized/623/00363165-670623_catl_348.jpg?k=05baf637&pid=363165&s=catl&sn=nbcuniversalstore

Primm Slim, Robot Sheriff (kingfish), Sunday, 30 October 2011 10:06 (twelve years ago) link

behind the scenes vid for this ep:

http://www.nbc.com/community/video/inside-the-horror/1364940

Primm Slim, Robot Sheriff (kingfish), Sunday, 30 October 2011 10:17 (twelve years ago) link

good stuff

Nhex, Sunday, 30 October 2011 17:09 (twelve years ago) link

Abed humming the soul tune on loop was one of the best things ever

Neanderthal, Sunday, 30 October 2011 17:10 (twelve years ago) link

This being the internet, somebody found exactly what song that was:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJANEyu0wD4

They use it on the weather channel.

Primm Slim, Robot Sheriff (kingfish), Sunday, 30 October 2011 17:23 (twelve years ago) link

wow alison

Mordy, Sunday, 30 October 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

you mean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXvuUp-KY5g

Kerm, Sunday, 30 October 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

there we go

Primm Slim, Robot Sheriff (kingfish), Sunday, 30 October 2011 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

why do so many people upload vids of the weather channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMlOT5Hpi9Y

Primm Slim, Robot Sheriff (kingfish), Sunday, 30 October 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link

"chevy chase as judge reinhold" is a weird combination of words

sonderangerbot, Sunday, 30 October 2011 18:06 (twelve years ago) link

dying now that i recognize that tune

Nhex, Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link

Troy gesturing along with Abed's humming was A fucking +.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Sunday, 30 October 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link

best troy & abed joke of the season so far

flopson, Wednesday, 2 November 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link

"The Abed of racism."

The Man With The Flavored Toothpick (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 4 November 2011 00:11 (twelve years ago) link

"First Annual....Gay Bash.."

encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 4 November 2011 00:17 (twelve years ago) link

If this is how they're going to utilize John Goodman, I approve!

Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 November 2011 00:28 (twelve years ago) link

"'sup, girl."

"Pew!"

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 4 November 2011 00:30 (twelve years ago) link

Spaceman paninis with Black Hitler.

Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Friday, 4 November 2011 00:48 (twelve years ago) link

great, great episode

i'm gonna stick my neck out and say i don't really think inspector spacetime is that funny or needs to be brought back over and over

prettyliketynandelong (some dude), Friday, 4 November 2011 01:06 (twelve years ago) link

They need to do something with it because as is, you're right, it's not a great running gag.

love the a/c stuff.

encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 4 November 2011 01:15 (twelve years ago) link

is it me or was britta at a funeral TOTALLY FUCKING BEAUTIFUL OMG IM IN LOVE rite?

a hoy hoy, Friday, 4 November 2011 07:35 (twelve years ago) link

lol the priest "you're the worst"

encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 4 November 2011 07:39 (twelve years ago) link

britta is ethereally gorgeous this season, but yeah the funeral scene in particular was amazing.

warning: simulated vampire fellatio (reddening), Friday, 4 November 2011 08:06 (twelve years ago) link

If Harmon isn't working up to an episode at an Inspector Spacetime convention then he's the most wasteful cunt in the world.

Matt DC, Friday, 4 November 2011 12:07 (twelve years ago) link

I think that Inspector Spacetime has been brought back because of the frankly cray cray fandom that has already sprung up around it. Just go on tumblr if you don't believe me.

bouquet beatdown (Nicole), Friday, 4 November 2011 12:35 (twelve years ago) link

^^^

This. I can understand, given the ratings and Harmon's overal approach, why he tosses bones to the rabid fans like this, but the Inspector Spacetime thing seems way too forced and overdone. I was actually fine with it until last night's (otherwise incredible) episode when Troy and Abed just randomly called each other Constable and Inspector.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 12:48 (twelve years ago) link

How quick is the turnaround on these things? Have they seriously had time to rewrite and refilm bits based on fan reaction already?

Matt DC, Friday, 4 November 2011 12:54 (twelve years ago) link

Judging by the interviews upthread, Elementary Chaos Theory and the Halloween one had already been filmed when the series started. Calling bullshit on this theory.

Matt DC, Friday, 4 November 2011 12:55 (twelve years ago) link

So do you have filming dates for last nights? Like I said, last night was the first time it actually felt kind of forced. All I'm saying is that it needs to lead to a big payoff.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:05 (twelve years ago) link

Why?

dense macabre (DJP), Friday, 4 November 2011 13:25 (twelve years ago) link

Because its getting run into the ground and I'd be a lot more okay with it if there's a payoff.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:26 (twelve years ago) link

I don't really see it as being run into the ground any more than any other facet of Troy and Abed's relationship; look at it like it's their handshake.

dense macabre (DJP), Friday, 4 November 2011 13:30 (twelve years ago) link

It isn't really getting run into the ground. I haven't seen the most recent episode but they've barely mentioned it up to now, only hinted at it.

Matt DC, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:30 (twelve years ago) link

Of all of the batshit criticisms thrown around itt, its kind of funny that you guys are butthurt about me thinking the Inspector Spacetime thing is a little overdone.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:32 (twelve years ago) link

you go from 0 to 11 faster than any other poster on this site

dense macabre (DJP), Friday, 4 November 2011 13:33 (twelve years ago) link

I've known goofy dudes like Troy and Abed my whole life who would run shit into the ground with no hope of a payoff in sight.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:34 (twelve years ago) link

Because I said I find it funny? You're an asshole.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:34 (twelve years ago) link

I expressed a realtively minor criticism of the show and you two were immediately, YOU ARE WRONG. Like, idgi.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:35 (twelve years ago) link

I just don't understand how the fuck saying:

Of all of the batshit criticisms thrown around itt, its kind of funny that you guys are butthurt about me thinking the Inspector Spacetime thing is a little overdone.

means I'm at 11.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:38 (twelve years ago) link

But I know DJP loves to provoke me, so grain of salt and all.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:39 (twelve years ago) link

what the hell just happened here

dense macabre (DJP), Friday, 4 November 2011 13:40 (twelve years ago) link

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l106xrCGkG1qbwdexo1_400.gif

Matt DC, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:40 (twelve years ago) link

what the hell just happened here

You tell me. I get that you, for whatever reason, think I'm a worthless poster, but I'm not sure why you felt the need to call me out for being "at 11" for expressing an opinion.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:43 (twelve years ago) link

I'm just wondering if its my word choice or your reading comprehension that is causing you to read a tone that isn't intended.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:49 (twelve years ago) link

I'm wondering the same thing! I had a mild chuckle at you describing a lukewarm disagreement as being "butthurt" and then you ACTUALLY go from 0 to 11 in the most ironic way possible... It's kind of amazing.

dense macabre (DJP), Friday, 4 November 2011 13:52 (twelve years ago) link

And I'm mostly sitting here bemused and slightly concerned.

dense macabre (DJP), Friday, 4 November 2011 13:53 (twelve years ago) link

loooooool Matt DC

٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶ (sic), Friday, 4 November 2011 13:57 (twelve years ago) link

Apparently I need flashign Drudge sirens for you if I ever use even a hint of sarcasm in my posts. Its so funny that for a board so dependent on snark, irony, and sarcasm, that you have such a hard time comprehending it. Of course I didn't think anyone was seriously butthurt over this. I just was laughing that there were such quick defenders of the gag. It was like I said Inspector Spacetime was ruining the show or something.

I mean, if you honestly think I was sitting here like seething in rage or w/e, maybe you are the one that needs to take a break from the internet because you're seeing things that aren't there. I find it pretty hilarious that every time I drop a sarcastic post, I get a contingent of you, Whiney, Shipz, or sarge telling me I'm angry.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 13:57 (twelve years ago) link

YOU GUYS CANT YOU SEE INSPECTOR SPACETIME IS TEARING US APART?!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 4 November 2011 13:59 (twelve years ago) link

I BLAME BLACK HITLER

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 4 November 2011 13:59 (twelve years ago) link

I was going to say this is not in the spirit of Community

but it kinda is.. Jeff and Pierce! Carry on.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 4 November 2011 13:59 (twelve years ago) link

(Will there *always* be Paninis?)

Seriously though - throwing in a bunch of fake-sounding details is a perfect way to make people think you're crazy!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 4 November 2011 14:00 (twelve years ago) link

lol my post wasn't serious either

there wasn't a serious post about this until you went crazy and started swearing at me

dense macabre (DJP), Friday, 4 November 2011 14:00 (twelve years ago) link

I called you an asshole because I felt you were needlessly calling me out for being angry or whatever it was you meant by being "at 11". You shifted it from talking about the show to making personal attacks. Not that that excuses me calling you an asshole, but its pretty lol for you to needle me and then claim I "went crazy".

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 14:04 (twelve years ago) link

the astronaut paninis and Blitler reminded me of a thing from X-Files. something about Mulder getting threatened by a bunch or people and one was wearing a convincing Nixon mask (or something like that) so that if he told anybody about what happened he'd sound totally nutso.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 4 November 2011 14:16 (twelve years ago) link

anyone can go from 0-11. it takes a special poster to take it from 11 back to 0.

Mordy, Friday, 4 November 2011 14:25 (twelve years ago) link

That whole sequence made waiting for the return of the air conditioner repair annex worth it.

dense macabre (DJP), Friday, 4 November 2011 14:25 (twelve years ago) link

But now that Troy has rebuffed their advances, does this mean no more John Goodman? I hope not.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 4 November 2011 14:39 (twelve years ago) link

I think the cut to Goodman saying it isn't over is a good sign he'll be back. Really missing John Oliver this season.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 14:40 (twelve years ago) link

I loved that they showed the room that "room temperature" is based on.

"I can't feel where the air ends and my skin begins!"

Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 November 2011 14:56 (twelve years ago) link

I gotta stop watching the teasers/promos; I'd already heard the "this is The Room" joke about 10 times. But I liked where they went with it.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 4 November 2011 14:59 (twelve years ago) link

god i love britta

"in my psychology class, we've been reading about this 'edible complex,' where the son wants to kill his father and do something to his mother - i haven't finished the chapter yet."

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 4 November 2011 15:03 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, the whole Britta thing was A++++ this ep.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

"I can excuse racism, but I draw the line at animal cruelty!"
"You can excuse racism????"

dense macabre (DJP), Friday, 4 November 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

this might actually be my 2nd fave episode so far this season, after the multiple timelines ep. pierce's dad was so weird and creepy and kind of looked like the dean

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 4 November 2011 15:08 (twelve years ago) link

I could not stop lolling at the ivory hair. I read about it on the A/V Club but erroneously thought they just meant the color and that that was what was making it photograph so strangely.

dense macabre (DJP), Friday, 4 November 2011 15:10 (twelve years ago) link

The ivory hair was genius, as was his spiel about the Swedes.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 15:12 (twelve years ago) link

Man is there still no John Oliver? Series has been great so far but his character is one of my favourites outside the study group.

Matt DC, Friday, 4 November 2011 15:18 (twelve years ago) link

Seriously though - throwing in a bunch of fake-sounding details is a perfect way to make people think you're crazy!

I got even geekier and flashed back to that issue of ALL-STAR SUPERMAN where Luther ended his interview with Clark with a baboon wearing a Superman outfit and claimed to have singlehandedly destroyed the credibility of the Daily Planet.

Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Friday, 4 November 2011 15:54 (twelve years ago) link

I saw one episode of this - the Call of Duty one - and holy fuck it was turgid rubbish. Is this a show that only americans get?

Darren Huckerby (Dwight Yorke), Friday, 4 November 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

i guess so, because they don't have scenes with the characters chasing half-naked women around in doubletime to "yakety sax"

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 4 November 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

the Call of Duty one?

Mordy, Friday, 4 November 2011 16:00 (twelve years ago) link

I'm guessing it's the one with Abed & Troy's new friend that they didn't want Britta to date. The "hit me with your genie bottle" / "my next door neighbor is jazz musician" one.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 4 November 2011 16:02 (twelve years ago) link

that's what my housemate referred to it as.

Darren Huckerby (Dwight Yorke), Friday, 4 November 2011 16:03 (twelve years ago) link

britta's fake surprise about their friend stealing the kickpuncher movie was amazing. "what. no. who could of -- you don't think -- no. but it couldn't be -- but could it?"

Mordy, Friday, 4 November 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link

i guess so, because they don't have scenes with the characters chasing half-naked women around in doubletime to "yakety sax"

In Britain we call them Italian Fannies.

Matt DC, Friday, 4 November 2011 16:05 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't think Community was funny at all until I saw the first paintball episode. Every show I've seen since then has been good to amazing. (Even the pilot, which I initially hated, was a lot funnier after watching the paintball episode.)

There is a certain level of "buy-in" you have to commit to before the show will start to work, IMO.

dense macabre (DJP), Friday, 4 November 2011 16:06 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, paintball, that's the one I meant.

Darren Huckerby (Dwight Yorke), Friday, 4 November 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link

First season's xmas episode was when I first realized the show was on a roll, though I was aware it had been getting progressively funnier/better up to that point.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 November 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link

Well the paintball one and the "Call of Duty one" are wildly different episodes. I do have to say that if you thought the paintball episode was shit, you just probably aren't going to like the show.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link

if you think of the paintball episode as a 'call of duty' homage that might explain any problems you have with the show

Mordy, Friday, 4 November 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link

Call of Duty is def turgid

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 4 November 2011 16:21 (twelve years ago) link

I was basically in love with this from the episode when Pierce joins the band.

Matt DC, Friday, 4 November 2011 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

I was down from the first episode when Annie says "we should talk to Jeff about his tardiness" & Pierce says "don't use that word around Abed" :D

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 4 November 2011 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

i'm kind of glad about the lack of oliver so far- it means there is going to be a whole psych episode w/ britta and him.

yeah this is def not just an american thing, tho it is a meta thing like the best simpsons but live action. also you know we once had a thread about musicians actively enjoy what they are doing and how that makes you enjoy their music so much more? that is the sort of vibe i get from community and p&r

a hoy hoy, Friday, 4 November 2011 17:15 (twelve years ago) link

Thats pretty otm re: the vibe of those shows. I also think thats what is missing from The Office now as well. Back in the peaks of seasons 2 and 3 I got that vibe, but its long gone from that show.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 4 November 2011 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

Oliver only usually turns up in half a season anyway, so it's likely we just won't see him at all til after Christmas.

Matt DC, Friday, 4 November 2011 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

OTM a hoy hoy seconded.

I ignored this show until the first Christmas episode. They had me at "Say the whole word!" "...Jewey?"

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 4 November 2011 17:20 (twelve years ago) link

if you think of the paintball episode as a 'call of duty' homage that might explain any problems you have with the show

― Mordy, Friday, November 4, 2011 4:14 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

In fairness, the patinball episode is called "Modern Warfare"

encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 4 November 2011 17:35 (twelve years ago) link

true, i had forgotten about that

Mordy, Friday, 4 November 2011 17:56 (twelve years ago) link

there's just nothing that screams CoD about that ep to me. make more sense to call it that Warriors ep of Community

Mordy, Friday, 4 November 2011 17:57 (twelve years ago) link

Things that made me lol for too long this episode:
Room temp room
Astronaut paninis
IVORY HAIR

kinder, Friday, 4 November 2011 18:11 (twelve years ago) link

BLACK HITLER killed me.

a hoy hoy, Friday, 4 November 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

omg Pierce's pronunciation of Wikipedia

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 4 November 2011 18:47 (twelve years ago) link

Wike-e-padeeah

Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 November 2011 18:54 (twelve years ago) link

dying

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 4 November 2011 19:10 (twelve years ago) link

This was probably the first episode of the season that I loved immediately and without reservation. I mentioned last week that I tend to compare the non-concept episodes to nude pool from S1, and I definitely think this was in the same vein.

And the John Goodman payoff was amazing! His expression + disbelieving "No!" when Troy tried to turn his argument around on him was brilliant.

warning: simulated vampire fellatio (reddening), Friday, 4 November 2011 20:04 (twelve years ago) link

I loved Troy and Abed's impressions of each other as well, there were so many great moments in this episode.

bouquet beatdown (Nicole), Friday, 4 November 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link

The thing I loved about this episode is that I couldn't tell a direct influence of anything and that it seemed so meta that it was just Community down Community's rabbit hole, as opposed to being down 2001's or Die Hard's or whatevers rabbit hole.

Like geuine WTF at the ivory hair. No other show could pull that off as 'normal' as Community did, ever, in the history of tv shows.

a hoy hoy, Friday, 4 November 2011 20:41 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i enjoy the parody when it's less specific. like troy's whole plot line was obviously parodic but it was making fun of such a huge trope (the hidden gift that can be used for good or evil) that it wasn't pointing at just one thing.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 4 November 2011 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu5gk0BYGn1r59yoro1_500.jpg

Nightmare fuel

bouquet beatdown (Nicole), Friday, 4 November 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

i love the plumber so much that i'd be cool if he was in every episode tbrr

a hoy hoy, Friday, 4 November 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

egad! xp

Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 November 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

I wonder if we're going to see Evil Vice Dean try and tempt the study group one by one to the dark side. Also can't work out if there's a conspiracy or if he just loves good air conditioning.

Think what was missed out of yesterday's Inspector Spacetime discussion is that Troy and Abed talking in prissy British accents and throwing paper balls at Jeff is straight-up hilarious.

Matt DC, Saturday, 5 November 2011 08:44 (twelve years ago) link

Also I loved the "hey, one of us" look the gay dude gave Jeff right at the start.

Matt DC, Saturday, 5 November 2011 08:45 (twelve years ago) link

"Whassup girl, how you livin?"
"PEW"

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 5 November 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link

This episode was great, the ideal template for a "normal" episode imo

da croupier, Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:00 (twelve years ago) link

If it wasn't for the brief bits of unfunny guard chang I'd almost assume I dreamt the weaker ones this season

da croupier, Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:01 (twelve years ago) link

what a great episode. britta this season has been amazing. i'm going to start calling it the edible complex.

horseshoe, Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

for some reason john goodman delivery of "inbelievable" and "unvincible" killed me.

horseshoe, Saturday, 5 November 2011 19:40 (twelve years ago) link

the only disappointing thing about this episode was basically no annie

sonderangerbot, Saturday, 5 November 2011 20:06 (twelve years ago) link

But she bought a cone bra!

The Man With The Flavored Toothpick (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 5 November 2011 20:14 (twelve years ago) link

Also, "Why are you smiling?"

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 5 November 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, interesting, looking over the episode descriptions for season 1, the Christmas one seems to be the only one I missed. I really liked the show from the beginning though.

(Loved the last ep btw.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 6 November 2011 07:11 (twelve years ago) link

"I'm Troy. I like football, but also... I don't?"

Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Sunday, 6 November 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link

Troy and Abed doing impressions of each other was super-adorable.

Watched the Halloween episode again today and noticed that the Greendale butthole emblem is now on the library doors. I love that they're running with that now.

Matt DC, Sunday, 6 November 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, the "i like football but also i don't" vs. "what would han solo say? 'keep it together-' I CAN'T DO THIS" was amazing

Nhex, Monday, 7 November 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link

you go from 0 to 11 faster than any other poster on this site

― dense macabre (DJP), Friday, November 4, 2011 8:33 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark

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Because I said I find it funny? You're an asshole.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, November 4, 2011 8:34 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark

bravo

i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 03:53 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, good job bumping something that had disappeared. Worthwhile post, imho.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 8 November 2011 05:23 (twelve years ago) link

only a 4 at best

٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶ (sic), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 05:33 (twelve years ago) link

Finally watched this. Excellent. Enjoyed the lighting and the music work during the A/C scenes.

Also, cool that Jerry Minor is getting more screentime. And Dan Bakkedahl, too!

I hope there's a John Goodman/Michael K Williams clash-up before season's end.

Put another Juggle in, in the Juggalodeon (kingfish), Tuesday, 8 November 2011 06:18 (twelve years ago) link

hooray, there's a twittersode going on today! (slightly spoilery regarding the plot of tonight's episode)

dreamleaf, sparkleroot, basilisk venom tinctures (reddening), Thursday, 10 November 2011 18:03 (twelve years ago) link

TWIST

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 11 November 2011 01:09 (twelve years ago) link

AbedsTweets: @AnnieEdisonGCC bustin’ moves! #AnniesMove http://t.co/iYyYdC3T

encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 11 November 2011 01:11 (twelve years ago) link

That was the best ending ever. Holy shit.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 11 November 2011 01:28 (twelve years ago) link

loving pierce's use of Siri:

@HawthorneWipes Pierce Hawthorne
maps directions #AnniesMove maps #AnniesMove help maps #AnniesMove bread milk socks doctor

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 11 November 2011 01:45 (twelve years ago) link

also i had those star wars sheets and i want them now

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 11 November 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link

i kind of hate the new 'look' of the show with the brightness in the center of the shot and lots of shadow around the edges of the screen -- i noticed it at first in i think the halloween episode and thought it was just a special look for that episode, but then i saw it this week too

some dude, Friday, 11 November 2011 02:51 (twelve years ago) link

the once and still best sitcom on tv. tnite was hilarious.

Mordy, Friday, 11 November 2011 03:08 (twelve years ago) link

i dont think i irl lol once but in a way that might have transcending it. fucking seal man, fucking seal.

GOIT BUZZ TOYS (a hoy hoy), Friday, 11 November 2011 08:02 (twelve years ago) link

KISS FROM A ROSE killed it, rest of the episode doesn't matter (except for Jeff's GAP fetish and ordering for the Dean, natch).

The Lamb Lies Down On Cavill Avenue (King Boy Pato), Friday, 11 November 2011 11:37 (twelve years ago) link

the entire Kissed By A Rose scene had me dying.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 11 November 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

good ep from these guys and Always Sunny.. last night

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 11 November 2011 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

not crazy about them changing the dean from a general weirdo to jeff's stalker. he's always been into jeff but not to the point that he was in last night's episode. also seemed a little fractured with the four plotlines but i laughed at kiss from a rose and annie was pretty good.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 11 November 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link

'general' weirdos don't have such pronounced dog fetishes, fit their name into sentences and get so touchy EVERY time they meet someone? idk

loved it when he tried to fit his proper name into a sentence btw because on the outside world he had no reason to chuck 'dean' in there/

GOIT BUZZ TOYS (a hoy hoy), Friday, 11 November 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

by general weirdo, i mean weird about everyone and everything, not just jeff.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 11 November 2011 15:56 (twelve years ago) link

describes the type of person who would stalk a dude then?

like it just seemed to be a p dean-like thing to do to me. not that this show is based on realistic actions.

GOIT BUZZ TOYS (a hoy hoy), Friday, 11 November 2011 15:59 (twelve years ago) link

the dean has always been stalking jeff. remember the animated bit he made last season that was all about shipping him + jeff?

Mordy, Friday, 11 November 2011 16:11 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNIQvtDFSDc

Mordy, Friday, 11 November 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

The Dean has been slowly escalating to this point but it's been telegraphed pretty openly, I thought.

Shirley's and Britta's car ride was amazing.

sex-poodle Al Gore (DJP), Friday, 11 November 2011 16:15 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, nothing about the dean's behavior in this episode seemed the least bit either out of character (obviously) or out of nowhere. And making Jeff order for him was so amazing.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 11 November 2011 16:27 (twelve years ago) link

i loved the car ride. laughed hard at both "oh, that's nice"

Mordy, Friday, 11 November 2011 16:32 (twelve years ago) link

"A Kiss From A Rose" duet has got to be in my top 5 favorite Community moments of all time.

bouquet beatdown (Nicole), Friday, 11 November 2011 16:33 (twelve years ago) link

also "craigular guy"

encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 11 November 2011 16:35 (twelve years ago) link

"The... gentleman..."
"oh, stop!"

sex-poodle Al Gore (DJP), Friday, 11 November 2011 16:46 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah the Dean had Jeff at Professor Slater in a ranked database of attractive people right from the start, I like that they're exploring his creepier side. It's virtually impossible to view him as a real creep anyway. Loved how normally/Jeffly he was dressed in the store.

Sweet episode. Best thing about the Dreamatorium was that Troy and Abed and willingly chosen to share a room right from the start.

Also, when I was at university our student house had a wok that had this really, really thin base, so you could actually whack yourself over the head with it without feeling the slightest pain. My friend and I used to actually stand in the kitchen while drunk and hit each other over the head with it because it made this immensely satisfying slapstick BONGGGGGG noise. So I felt kind of awkward when I saw Troy and Abed doing the hammer/bubble wrap thing.

Also I like how Pierce is back to being the old trying-too-hard Pierce rather than the evil cave troll of S2.

Matt DC, Friday, 11 November 2011 20:37 (twelve years ago) link

when I noticed that the Dean was wearing Jeff's outfit I lost a good 45 seconds of dialog to laughter

sex-poodle Al Gore (DJP), Friday, 11 November 2011 20:38 (twelve years ago) link

"Well hey there stranger. What a coincidence, huh? This is just like that lake house movie."

He's talking about Funny Games, right?

Kerm, Friday, 11 November 2011 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

sex-poodle Al Gore (DJP), Friday, 11 November 2011 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

ha no

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 11 November 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link

can't tell if you're joking or not but
http://www.moviesonline.ca/movie-gallery/albums/userpics//poster_TheLakeHousePoster.jpg

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 11 November 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

What About Bob?

Kerm, Friday, 11 November 2011 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

dan harmon say: "I do try many times a season to put Alison in a situation, wardrobe-wise, that I know is going to end up as an animated GIF file! I observe that stuff and the way people are consuming it, because I'm a nerd too and I love to obsess about my favorite TV shows."

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 11 November 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link

dan "i luv boobs" harmon

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 11 November 2011 23:13 (twelve years ago) link

random bothersome thought that popped into my head right after this ended: what does shirley get out of being friends with these people? i can't remember many moments where she seemed genuinely happy with them, or really any moments of happiness that aren't immediately interrupted by someone else making a joke at her expense. and her thoughts about them never go much further than "they're dimwitted sinners who haven't been saved yet." she could be spending a lot of this time with her family! now i won't be able to watch without thinking about this and feeling bad for her

Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Friday, 11 November 2011 23:38 (twelve years ago) link

you kind of just have the accept the premise on faith, though -- that all these folks would hang out w/ each other and ONLY each other.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 11 November 2011 23:50 (twelve years ago) link

Shirley doesn't have much else going on outside her family, her kids are at school during the day, and she really really enjoys judging

٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶ (sic), Saturday, 12 November 2011 00:07 (twelve years ago) link

plus she obv likes the thrill of being exposed to ppl with different attitudes and feeling like her virtuousness is being tested and winning

٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶ (sic), Saturday, 12 November 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link

or in other words, she likes them

٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶ (sic), Saturday, 12 November 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link

amateurist: i can understand the others, though, on some intrinsic level. the writers still don't know what do with with shirley (big news i know) or really how to write her in relation to the others. her big storyline last season was all about chang and theo huxtable. sucks that they spent so much time playing with pierce but have barely even attempted to figure shirley out beneath her exterior traits. get harmon drunk and i bet he'll tell you he regrets creating her.

sic: you could sum up abed at the beginning with "he's obsessed with pop culture" and jeff with "he's snarky and misanthropic" but harmon and co still developed the characters plenty. and your second post doesn't make itself relevant very often. i don't think shirley really sees herself as winning in the end

Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Saturday, 12 November 2011 00:13 (twelve years ago) link

in the end of most micro-struggles between good and satan, that is.

Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Saturday, 12 November 2011 00:16 (twelve years ago) link

get harmon drunk

not much of a challenge iirc

he's openly trashed on all his commentary tracks

Clay, Saturday, 12 November 2011 00:16 (twelve years ago) link

Shirley really likes and has pretty strong relationships with Jeff, Annie, Troy and Abed. It's only Britta and Pierce she has real friction with and everyone has friction with them.

That said I do think her character is getting less play this year - she had A LOT of time last season so maybe Harmon isn't so arsed, but I like where the Britta and Shirley relationship is going. Otherwise, don't really get the last few posts, she is hilarious wtf?

Matt DC, Saturday, 12 November 2011 01:29 (twelve years ago) link

Also how is Shirley a less developed character than Troy?

Matt DC, Saturday, 12 November 2011 01:31 (twelve years ago) link

troy gets episodes like mixology and the zombie one and "i like football but also i don't" and tender moments with annie, where shirley is pretty much defined by her christianity (or she's pregnant or she's offscreen) and she never shows any development in that one arena.

i dunno, i probably have to rewatch the series with this in mind, but from memory at least most of shirley's lines are brushed off or antagonized, or she's dealing with jeff being a dick about her cooking, etc. other characters connect with each other on some deeper level, that never really happens with her. correct me if i'm just having big holes in my memory.

Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Saturday, 12 November 2011 01:44 (twelve years ago) link

Just caught this. I think I've rewatched the medley sequence six times already.

Emile Zola predicts World War I and then he dies. (R Baez), Saturday, 12 November 2011 02:29 (twelve years ago) link

It bears repeating: 'Kiss From A Rose' is an awesome song.

trapdoor fucking spiders (dowd), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:19 (twelve years ago) link

oh god it's really not. It was hilarious for that clip but it's been stuck in my head all day and RAGH I WANT IT OUT

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:21 (twelve years ago) link

Nope, awesome. Maybe better than Killer...

trapdoor fucking spiders (dowd), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:27 (twelve years ago) link

Shirley really likes and has pretty strong relationships with Jeff, Annie, Troy and Abed. It's only Britta and Pierce she has real friction with and everyone has friction with them.

I think this was truer in previous seasons. Shirley does seem a bit disconnected this season to me as well.

(And I think Troy is much more developed, possibly the most complex character on the show, between the ambivalent jockishness, Reading Rainbow love, dance lessons, bro-dom with Abed, genius plumbing skills, ...)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:35 (twelve years ago) link

The Troy 21st bday drinking episode seemed to indicate an intention to develop his character a lot.

trapdoor fucking spiders (dowd), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:40 (twelve years ago) link

what a garbage episode

we were cool once (Lamp), Saturday, 12 November 2011 03:59 (twelve years ago) link

I kind of agree about Shirley being underused this season, but there's still time. The drinking episode from last season was fantastic for her.

Also want to point out if it hasn't already that the group resolved its issues without Jeff this week.

encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 12 November 2011 04:06 (twelve years ago) link

ahem.

i would just like to announce that i used jeff's speech at the end of the pilot episode the other day in a class i'm teaching to illustrate the human capacity for projection to my students.

i was pretty pleased with myself.

j., Saturday, 12 November 2011 04:11 (twelve years ago) link

BABY

kinder, Saturday, 12 November 2011 06:25 (twelve years ago) link

craigular joe

j., Saturday, 12 November 2011 06:46 (twelve years ago) link

that bedroom gag was totally borrowed from the futurama where fry moves in with bender

j., Saturday, 12 November 2011 06:55 (twelve years ago) link

i think shirley's lack of storylines has more to do with her being the one main character who doesn't have loads of romantic potential w/ other characters and isn't played by chevy chase. she gets plenty of LINES and they're frequently hilarious.

some dude, Saturday, 12 November 2011 07:03 (twelve years ago) link

Umm, you also have to remember that she has scared off previous friend/family groups via gossiping and drinking and fam issues. The group accept Shirley and try to help her moderate things that have scared off people in the past and isn't 'being accepted' enough for anyone, esp. those in this group?

GOIT BUZZ TOYS (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 12 November 2011 08:51 (twelve years ago) link

Also the chaos theory episode underlines that she's the self-appointed mother figure in the group and the rest of them are ambivalent or uncomfortable with that. Her interactions with Troy and Abed are quite sweet.

"she gets plenty of LINES and they're frequently hilarious"

OTM

Matt DC, Saturday, 12 November 2011 13:44 (twelve years ago) link

"the dreamatorium is more important than all of us."

phantompenguin, Saturday, 12 November 2011 19:46 (twelve years ago) link

"I picked the wrong time to quit."

The Man With The Flavored Toothpick (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 12 November 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link

"How long have I been out? Is Napster still a thing?"

Matt DC, Sunday, 13 November 2011 12:09 (twelve years ago) link

this recent string of pierce/technology jokes has been A++

what the fuck does a horse know about the hero's journey anyway (reddening), Sunday, 13 November 2011 14:08 (twelve years ago) link

Community is being pulled from NBC's mid-season schedule.

polyphonic, Monday, 14 November 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link

NOOOOOO

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 14 November 2011 22:54 (twelve years ago) link

fuuuuuuuuuck

what the fuck does a horse know about the hero's journey anyway (reddening), Monday, 14 November 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

The new drama “The Firm” moves into the Thursday lineup (10-11 p.m. ET) beginning January 12 following its two-hour premiere the previous Sunday (January 8) from 9-11 p.m. ET. The first-season comedy “Up All Night” will also move to Thursday nights at 9:30 p.m. (ET) on January 12 which is also the night that multiple Emmy Award-winning “30 Rock” returns for its season debut (8-8:30 p.m. ET). “Parks and Recreation” (8:30-9 p.m. ET) and the Emmy-winning “The Office” (9-9:30 p.m. ET) remain in the same time periods.

polyphonic, Monday, 14 November 2011 22:57 (twelve years ago) link

:D

shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 14 November 2011 23:00 (twelve years ago) link

I wonder if the cast/Dan Harmon were warned ahead of time? This has to be the downside of having a Twitter presence, everyone's going to be baying for answers/reassurance.

what the fuck does a horse know about the hero's journey anyway (reddening), Monday, 14 November 2011 23:07 (twelve years ago) link

Ah, the satisfaction of hitting suggest ban. xp

bouquet beatdown (Nicole), Monday, 14 November 2011 23:09 (twelve years ago) link

http://twitter.com/brianstelter/statuses/136218962139688960

max, Monday, 14 November 2011 23:10 (twelve years ago) link

;_;

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 14 November 2011 23:11 (twelve years ago) link

The best part is that Whitney is moving to Wednesday. Thank christ.

polyphonic, Monday, 14 November 2011 23:12 (twelve years ago) link

oh fuck. heartbreaking news.

Mordy, Monday, 14 November 2011 23:14 (twelve years ago) link

oh noooo

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 14 November 2011 23:15 (twelve years ago) link

RIP 2nd best comedy on television. Fuck NBC.

GOIT BUZZ TOYS (a hoy hoy), Monday, 14 November 2011 23:16 (twelve years ago) link

If it's not canceled but in time-slot limbo, that's a little more reassuring; putting a known quantity like 30 Rock against all the heavy hitters at 8:00 is probably a better move on NBC's part. But if Thursday is closed to Community, and Wednesday is the Whitney/Chelsea Handler Power Hour, there really isn't anywhere for it to go...

Part of me hopes the Thursday @ 10 drama flops and they go back to a 3 hour Thursday comedy bloc.

what the fuck does a horse know about the hero's journey anyway (reddening), Monday, 14 November 2011 23:17 (twelve years ago) link

I mean, conceivably it could come back late in the season, or at the beginning of next season...but I fear that if it does, it'll be with serious trying-to-grab-ratings retooling.

I hate to say this, but I'd be less upset if 30 Rock was cancelled outright.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 14 November 2011 23:31 (twelve years ago) link

shouldn't be surprised, really.

In any event, all 22 episodes ordered will be shot and aired.

encarta it (Gukbe), Monday, 14 November 2011 23:31 (twelve years ago) link

And guys, there's no ratings-grab they'll be able to do. This doesn't change anything regarding the show's future.

encarta it (Gukbe), Monday, 14 November 2011 23:32 (twelve years ago) link

silver lining: donald glover will now be able to dedicate himself full-time to childish gambino. right, guys?

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:00 (twelve years ago) link

and dan harmon can dedicate himself full-time to alcoholism

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:02 (twelve years ago) link

this is the worst.

Clay, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:04 (twelve years ago) link

:(

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:09 (twelve years ago) link

I'd already gotten my mind around the fact there was in no way going to be a fourth season, but I hadn't anticipated they might yank it in the middle of its third.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:09 (twelve years ago) link

Rumoured to be moving to summer slot :P

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:12 (twelve years ago) link

In any event, all 22 episodes ordered will be shot and aired.

― encarta it (Gukbe), Monday, November 14, 2011 6:31 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

gukbe otm, yall need to chill

F Tim (some dude), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:15 (twelve years ago) link

I just firmly convinced myself that Sony will sell the show to fx who will keep it going at 13 batshit episodes a year.

Yeah that's exactly what's going to happen.

Clay, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:16 (twelve years ago) link

i'm willing to jettison pierce if it saves on costs. or we could replace chevy with whiney on the cheap

mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:18 (twelve years ago) link

'whiney wipes'

mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:19 (twelve years ago) link

was hilarious seeing the internet freak out over this today

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:21 (twelve years ago) link

xp me too! i don't know how these things work, but why wouldn't a cable station pick it up? copyright issues? it'd do better on hbo than bored to death, and that's not getting canceled anytime soon.

Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:21 (twelve years ago) link

network shows have only been picked up by cable networks like a handful of times ever but for some reason people think that option is ALWAYS on the table and super likely

F Tim (some dude), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:24 (twelve years ago) link

My delusional scenario is community going the one life to live route.

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:25 (twelve years ago) link

for those of you unaware of the one life to live situation:

"Transition to The Online Network with Prospect Park

On September 16, 2011 current OLTL executive producer Frank Valentini was retained by Prospect Park for the serial as well as All My Children when both shows move on The Online Network. [40] On September 28, 2011, Prospect Park confirmed that One Life to Live will start on its The Online Network internet channel in January 2012, but without specifying the exact date.[9]

Since the agreement made between ABC and Prospect Park is not limited to internet television and does allow One Life to Live to be broadcast on traditional television, there was an announcement on August 3, 2011 about a possibility of One Life to Live airing on a cable channel. [41][42] On October 5, 2011, the project to bring One Life to Live to cable was reiterated in a New York Times article, where it is revealed that Prospect Park plans to first air episodes on The Online Network, then make them available on television on demand and, then weeks later, on cable television. [43] However, nothing has been confirmed or been made official about One Life to Live going to either TOD or cable."

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:26 (twelve years ago) link

It won't ever happen. Sons of Anarchy does better ratings on FX than community does on NBC. How far would community plummet on FX?

There's no copyright issue however. NBC doesn't own community, Sony does. XP.

Clay, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:27 (twelve years ago) link

if Community goes off the air anytime soon i am going to be very happy with my 60+ episodes and looking forward to future projects from everyone involved, not begging and pleading for a move to cable or a movie spinoff

F Tim (some dude), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:29 (twelve years ago) link

some dude: oh i know. it's just strange that it doesn't happen more often, when most cable stations would be happy to pull in community's ratings. and premium stations are all about the brand anyway, and what's better for your brand than preventing the next arrested development disaster? and i think in light of AD and futurama, it'd be more likely now than a decade ago.

Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:29 (twelve years ago) link

cable stations might be happy to pull in community's ratings but a) those ratings would be even worse on a cable station and b) they won't pay the kind of money likely required to retain six main characters, some of whom can probably break out a bit

mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:33 (twelve years ago) link

seven characters, my bad

mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:34 (twelve years ago) link

i don't know tons about hollywood or w/e but i'm guessing another factor is that if you're an executive at, say, fx or tbs, and you want to move up in your profession or at your network, walking into a job interview and going "well in my time at fx i brought 15 major network cast offs onto our network and they did pretty decent ratings. i mean, for cable anyway. but the fanbase was really strong on twitter" is probably a lot less impressive than "i developed breaking bad"

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:34 (twelve years ago) link

I think there's a decent shot NBC will give it a fourth season. Well, as good a shot as it had after the first episode of the season aired. It depends on how the mid-season replacements go really.

I also realise I was crowing on about the DOOM SCENARIO about 6 weeks ago.

encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:36 (twelve years ago) link

cable doesn't need as many viewers but they also need to have much lower budgets -- everyone on futurama had to take a pay cut and there was a noticeable dip in the production values of the animation

F Tim (some dude), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:37 (twelve years ago) link

Also somebody on twitter pointed out that Sony pushed Til Death to 4 seasons for the syndication value of passing 80 episodes, and that was on Fox which has a number of actual ratings successes. NBC still doesn't have shit except Sunday Night Football, a waning Biggest Loser, SVU, and now a dipping Friday night "hit".

encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:38 (twelve years ago) link

most cable stations would be happy to pull in community's ratings.

probably not for community's budget though.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:41 (twelve years ago) link

xpost

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:42 (twelve years ago) link

nbc is in such an incredible shambling state that community returning as a mid-season replacement or just coming back next fall are not even really long-shots. it's certainly on the table.

Clay, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:42 (twelve years ago) link

i can't help but feel like 4 seasons would have been a perfect length for the show and i still hold out hope that Sony will bully/bribe NBC into doing four full years for syndication possibilities

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:42 (twelve years ago) link

A move to cable just isn't going to happen for all the reasons mentioned on top of many more.

encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:43 (twelve years ago) link

and yeah the bigger cable channels are probably more interested in developing their own shows than picking up network castoffs.

this goes double for HBO, whose entire profile is based on developing (not just airing) "quality" programming.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:43 (twelve years ago) link

I'd be cool if we had an S4 of nothing but bottle episodes

what the fuck does a horse know about the hero's journey anyway (reddening), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:44 (twelve years ago) link

you guys who aren't up on harmon's old channel 101/acceptable tv stuff should REALLY check that out because the whole idea there is that if people don't like a show and 'cancel' it they've already got another idea down the pike. i'm sure he's gonna do something else awesome the minute community runs its course.

F Tim (some dude), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:45 (twelve years ago) link

i thought that about mitch hurwitz but...

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:46 (twelve years ago) link

Ok, so I saw the full schedule.

Whitney has been losing its audience and critics hate it - and its not getting any better. When it moves to Wednesday I don't think it'll be renewed for a second season because the ratings will drop without The Office lead-in. Up All Night will probably stick around with that Office lead-in, so I imagine they'll work to get a second season because of the cast if nothing else.

I can't even venture a guess about the Chelsea Handler show, but again, they don't have a foothold on Wednesday night - or any other night, really - and as early reviews haven't been kind I can't see it becoming a surprise hit that might eventually get moved to Thursday nights.

afaik, 30 Rock's future after this season is still up in the air. It depends on Alec Baldwin, really, and I don't think Fey will continue it without him.

All other NBC hopes lay in the broadway show that's hoping to cash in on the Glee phenomenon, but broadway has a much smaller built-in audience than top 40 pop songs, and Glee is in the decline. They've got some reality shows, but there's a good chance The Voice will falter due to singing-competition fatigue. Oh, and they also have The Firm which...I dunno.

I guess it might come down to the kind of built-in brands they want to hold onto. Community's ratings have been absolutely abysmal, but it's fanbase is pretty dedicated and it gets critical kudos. FFS, Chuck has lasted five bloody seasons.

What hurts Community is the possible abandonment of the Wednesday night comedy hour for next season, but they've got absolutely nothing in the hour-long drama department to fill up the places they've got. Plus they might realize that going up against Big Bang Theory, X-Factor/Idol, and Greys doesn't leave much room for anything but a niche comedy that can attract the lucrative young/high-income demographic.

encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 02:06 (twelve years ago) link

And we can be pretty sure Community will be back on in March, which just enough time to air its remaining episodes through May sweeps.

encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 02:12 (twelve years ago) link

you're so optimistic, Gukbe, i love it!

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 02:26 (twelve years ago) link

really curious how 30 rock will do at 8 o'clock vs idol and big bang theory.

Clay, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 02:38 (twelve years ago) link

it'll be crushed obv

jon /bemy/ friend 2.0 (some dude), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 02:50 (twelve years ago) link

isn't that a doomed slot no matter what the show is?

they had an easy out of the (presumably) most expensive part of the show when chevy 'left' the group at the end of s2, they should have taken it. moments like these would work much better with a cheaper show and i'd be v. surprised if chevy as a name brings anyone in anymore.

GOIT BUZZ TOYS (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 03:20 (twelve years ago) link

is chevy actually paid more than mchale or anyone else on the show or do people just assume that because of how famous he is?

jon /bemy/ friend 2.0 (some dude), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 03:26 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think I'm being overly optimistic. I just don't think this changes much of anything. Certainly not its chances at a 4th season. I really think they'll air it in March. If they do, they'll have all new episodes straight to the end of the season, and even though advertising dollars are lower in the off-months, they'll be competing against BBT and Greys repeats for a while and if people tune in, rating might build up enough that, in combination with a sweet deal from Sony, might make a 4th season possible. There are a lot of factors at NBC that work in its favours.

I guess the elephant in the room is Comcast having enough and demanding a massive retool of the network.

encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 03:48 (twelve years ago) link

xposts, obv

encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 03:48 (twelve years ago) link

btw, there is NO WAY that Chelsea show will be anything besides a complete bust.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 03:55 (twelve years ago) link

Otm

Clay, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 04:00 (twelve years ago) link

is chevy actually paid more than mchale or anyone else on the show or do people just assume that because of how famous he is?

I can't believe he's on more than mchale, or I'd agree with Gukbe (bcz I hate how he just rejoined the group like nothing had happened)

٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶ (sic), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 04:13 (twelve years ago) link

either way he's gotta be on a big package they don't need on the show.

GOIT BUZZ TOYS (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 05:24 (twelve years ago) link

fnarr

٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶ (sic), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 05:34 (twelve years ago) link

Perfect!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

Do we know for sure that they're still filming the full 22 episodes for this year? If so what does that mean, they film the remainder when they were going to and hang onto them, or they try and fit it around the actors' schedules? Ken Jeong, Donald Glover and one or two of the others must be pretty busy right now.

Also for someone not familiar with American TV schedules is 'mid-season' January to March? So presumably we still run up to Christmas as normal?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, they'll probably air through the xmas episode as usual and then it will disappear for a while (until the Chelsea show on Wednesday nights gets canned).

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:24 (twelve years ago) link

Judging by the last two episodes, I don't think Ken Jeong is particularly busy (or rather, if he's busy, it's not with Community).

And yep, new episodes should continue through mid-December (everything's reruns after around December 15 or so). It's not beyond the realm of possibility for it to return in the spring, but my bet is that they'll burn off the remaining episodes over the summer.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

It's confirmed that the full order will be shot and they will be aired at some point. "Some point" is a nebulous phrase that might be mean a summer burn-off, but more likely they're just not going to have anything to fill the gaps if (when) one of their midseason replacements tank.

Midseason means January/February and generally running until the end of the season proper (May). xpost

encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:34 (twelve years ago) link

Oddly enough, I think it's Shirley I'm going to miss the most.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:42 (twelve years ago) link

i miss Starburns.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

POP POP

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:53 (twelve years ago) link

I saw Starburns in an episode of Mr Show the other day, which was cool.

sleep daphnia (dowd), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

he was one of the main writers on mr. show

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:58 (twelve years ago) link

WHAAAAAA????

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

what skit was he in?!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

Apparently he's one of Louis CK's best friends. When Louis when on the USO tours that inspired the Afghanistan episode of his show this season, he brought Dino just for company and had to explain that they weren't lovers.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 21:08 (twelve years ago) link

Wow. When I read CK's tour diaries I had no idea it was the same guy. And I had no idea that he was the creator of Moral Orel as well!

s.clover, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 21:11 (twelve years ago) link

good summary of community's odds: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/11/vulture-answers-your-questions-about-communitys-future.html

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 21:34 (twelve years ago) link

Dude, yeah. Dino "Starburns" Stamatopoulos is all over Mr. Show if you watch closely. He's also the co-creator of Moral Orel and one of the original writers on Late Night With Conan O'Brien. Dude's talented.

SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 21:45 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, Orel already mentioned, sorry.

His WTF interview is a must-listen.

SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 21:46 (twelve years ago) link

also him likes dominatrixs

GOIT BUZZ TOYS (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link

Dino is a hero and Moral Orel is one of the greatest things ever. Frankenhole is pretty funny too.

Mordy, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 22:21 (twelve years ago) link

Wow. When I read CK's tour diaries I had no idea it was the same guy. And I had no idea that he was the creator of Moral Orel as well!

― s.clover, Tuesday, November 15, 2011 3:11 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

Whoa me neither

i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 23:39 (twelve years ago) link

good summary of community's odds: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/11/vulture-answers-your-questions-about-communitys-future.html

― congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, November 15, 2011 4:34 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

Don't make me slap you like Dean Pelton would love to slap Jeff Winger:

rule that needs to be added to journalism style guides: "when attempting to write about something comedic, do not try to be funny."

Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 01:36 (twelve years ago) link

informative article tho

Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Wednesday, 16 November 2011 01:45 (twelve years ago) link

tl;dr version: "maybe it'll be renewed for a new season. maybe not! good luck everyone."

Mordy, Wednesday, 16 November 2011 01:52 (twelve years ago) link

Guys here is basically what happened, got it on a source from NBC, basically the network thought they'd do this fake-out just so they could see what the reaction would be, and so it's totally up to you guys to raise a fuss about this so NBC will get the picture that yo word up there are Community fans out there and they're excited and passionate about the characters and more important the BRAND of community that Dan Harmon has built up over the last couple years, and once they get that signal, they'll be all WORD UP guys we're bringing Community back to NBC, God's honest truth.

Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Thursday, 17 November 2011 05:39 (twelve years ago) link

dude, jaymc.xls is not an inside source

Mordy, Thursday, 17 November 2011 05:41 (twelve years ago) link

jaymc is an agent of Whiney sent in here to fuck with us

encarta it (Gukbe), Thursday, 17 November 2011 05:47 (twelve years ago) link

was this post written by a nigerian jaymc desperate to shift nielsen ratings to an american account?

mookieproof, Thursday, 17 November 2011 06:08 (twelve years ago) link

yeah probably NBC did it for the "buzz"

the centaur stops raking as you approach (reddening), Thursday, 17 November 2011 06:15 (twelve years ago) link

Was going to buy the second DVD box tonight and they didn't even have it.

Spent the thirty bucks on the Lego Hoth set instead. Feel ok about this.

Put another Juggle in, in the Juggalodeon (kingfish), Thursday, 17 November 2011 06:20 (twelve years ago) link

TRAITOR

encarta it (Gukbe), Thursday, 17 November 2011 06:23 (twelve years ago) link

Wal Mart was selling S2 (standard def) for $20. I couldn't grab it fast enough.

The Feelings Machine Turns You On (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 17 November 2011 09:27 (twelve years ago) link

supervisor girl

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 18 November 2011 01:08 (twelve years ago) link

"Anarchist Cat Owner"

The Feelings Machine Turns You On (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 18 November 2011 01:10 (twelve years ago) link

does anyone else's community sound static'y or is it just my tv?

Mordy, Friday, 18 November 2011 01:16 (twelve years ago) link

No it is static-y

Also I count two perfectly good gags cocked up by dumb elaborations so far

Simon H., Friday, 18 November 2011 01:18 (twelve years ago) link

i'm getting the static too, even on the commercials.

Also, Brie's got great crazy eyes.

The Feelings Machine Turns You On (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 18 November 2011 01:19 (twelve years ago) link

danharmon Dan Harmon
AND, tonight, celebrate Community's unschedulization with the least accessible, least marketable episode in its alienating history!
3 hours ago

encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 18 November 2011 01:19 (twelve years ago) link

NBC must be doing really rough if they're broadcasting static now

Mordy, Friday, 18 November 2011 01:20 (twelve years ago) link

next level

LaMonte, Friday, 18 November 2011 02:14 (twelve years ago) link

yeah that was amazing

horseshoe, Friday, 18 November 2011 02:14 (twelve years ago) link

also, i teared up?

horseshoe, Friday, 18 November 2011 02:14 (twelve years ago) link

The Britta/Troy montage was insane. And yep, I teared up too.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 18 November 2011 02:18 (twelve years ago) link

i can't say i know what any of dean jeff's lines were because i just laughed through them all.

also he had a bit of a HOOS thing going on.

sunn :o))) (Merdeyeux), Friday, 18 November 2011 03:49 (twelve years ago) link

I've actually never seen Hearts of Darkness. Is it really better?

Fellini.Kuti, Friday, 18 November 2011 05:50 (twelve years ago) link

no, but it's really amazing.

encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 18 November 2011 05:59 (twelve years ago) link

What's with this and Parks & Rev having 'we need to redesign our marketing' storylines at the same time? Next they'll both be having Model UN eps.

kinder, Friday, 18 November 2011 06:22 (twelve years ago) link

aghhhh so good why are they killing/hiding/wtf my show

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 18 November 2011 06:27 (twelve years ago) link

would the above comment make more sense to me if i'd seen tonight's ep?

phantompenguin, Friday, 18 November 2011 06:46 (twelve years ago) link

God this was great. I thought the early mention of HoD was tipping their hand a bit too much until Guzman brought it up again.

Also, I'm happy that at least they actually got to broadcast an ep featuring Luis.

Ultimately, I want this show to go 4 seasons just to complete its original built-in narrative arc. If they can somehow make it to 5 just to hit the syndication number and make a payday for all involved, that'll be okay too.

I liked how Insane Annie acted more like Alison's true age than just twenty years old.

Magnitude spotted in the background of several shots.

Put another Juggle in, in the Juggalodeon (kingfish), Friday, 18 November 2011 07:17 (twelve years ago) link

does whiney hate community

gorge sears (cozen), Friday, 18 November 2011 07:28 (twelve years ago) link

Motion capture bit followed by Chang as an understudy = most hilarious thing I've seen on TV this year (not really, but...).

Ned Trifle X, Friday, 18 November 2011 10:10 (twelve years ago) link

I FORGOT WHAT I AM AGAIN!

Ned Trifle X, Friday, 18 November 2011 10:11 (twelve years ago) link

"Be a microscope! No, that's a toilet!"

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 18 November 2011 14:21 (twelve years ago) link

Good news everyone! Thanks to the recent crisis and the internet furore that followed, the people have once again showed their strength-in-numbers by pushing the ratings for last night's episode up 0.1! SUCK IT NBC

encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 18 November 2011 17:23 (twelve years ago) link

at least Whitney hit a season-low rating. small comforts.

the centaur stops raking as you approach (reddening), Friday, 18 November 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link

Wow. That's another series high point.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 19 November 2011 02:58 (twelve years ago) link

yeah this ep was great

i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:03 (twelve years ago) link

Jim Rash is just as good at a tortured soul role as he is a fussy, fey busybody. Love that guy!

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:08 (twelve years ago) link

Didn't realize until now that he was Fenton on That 70s Show. Seems obvious now.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:18 (twelve years ago) link

And he co-wrote The Descendants!

encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:30 (twelve years ago) link

Hm, just rewatched Abed's Uncontrollable Christmas. I still like it but it doesn't seem as amazing as I thought it was anymore, especially after the last few episodes. I wonder how much I was just impressed by the novelty at the time.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 19 November 2011 03:47 (twelve years ago) link

New Harold and Kumar totally borrowed the Claymation Christmas concept!

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 November 2011 03:47 (twelve years ago) link

Ha, I guess there are many Claymation/stop-motion Christmas movies. It was just the first thing I thought of, maybe because they both involved a 'break with reality' of sorts.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 November 2011 04:41 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.nerdist.com/2011/11/indoor-kids-19-save-points-with-dan-harmon/

Dan Harmon on the Indoor Kids podcast. Talks about Batman, evolutionary biology, and how the quantum mechanics episode was a lot like Bioware/Obsidian game.

Put another Juggle in, in the Juggalodeon (kingfish), Sunday, 20 November 2011 07:00 (twelve years ago) link

YAY

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 20 November 2011 07:07 (twelve years ago) link

^^^this fucking guy :D

Tokyo Sexwale (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 20 November 2011 07:50 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

xp me too! i don't know how these things work, but why wouldn't a cable station pick it up? copyright issues? it'd do better on hbo than bored to death, and that's not getting canceled anytime soon.

― Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 01:21 (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I HOPE YR HAPPY!

Where Is Reason? (stevie), Monday, 2 January 2012 15:19 (twelve years ago) link

fuck

Bruce K. Tedesco (zachlyon), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 07:11 (twelve years ago) link

reading the beginning of this thread has some great ironic hindsight lols in it, like this:

yeah they need to do more w/ aped and troy too imo

― fleetwood (max), Sunday, October 11, 2009 12:54 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Much Ado About Nuttin (DJP), Tuesday, 3 January 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxakwy6m0W1qam69vo1_500.png

Nicole, Wednesday, 4 January 2012 21:19 (twelve years ago) link

he's just a student of human character with a buttload of self-esteem.

― j., Saturday, 4 December 2010 23:36 (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I only just got the two references, ha.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 5 January 2012 03:28 (twelve years ago) link

OMG, Science of Illusion

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 6 January 2012 06:00 (twelve years ago) link

Getting into this in a big way. But back later this spring just means the rest of this season, no? Have new episodes been ordered?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 6 January 2012 21:26 (twelve years ago) link

no word about a 4th season yet

Mordy, Friday, 6 January 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

According to "Troy and Abed" on Facebook, 12 episodes are set to air.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 6 January 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link

yeah they were ALWAYS shooting and planning to era the full order of Season 3, and it was always going to be probably returning in the spring, but people freaked out like it was going to get pushed to the summer or aired on Bravo or something because i guess they think Are You There, Chelsea? is going to be a ratings phenomenon. too early to say about it being back in the fall because it's too early to say that about most shows, including 30 Rock.

we bought a zoo in a hopeless place (some dude), Friday, 6 January 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link

having seen all of season 1 now, I would have been on this show's bandwagon so much earlier had I seen "Social Psychology", "Interpretive Dance", "Physical Education" and "The Science of Illusion" when they aired

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Friday, 6 January 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link

i guess we're a few months away from whiney sheepishy posting about which episodes he really likes

Mordy, Friday, 6 January 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

holy hell, from the Wikipedia entry on this season's Halloween ep:

At the start of the episode, Annie goes through Britta's playlist and finds the Beetlejuice soundtrack in it. A man in a Beetlejuice costume then passes behind Annie as she says the name aloud for the third time in the show's history ("Beetlejuice" was also mentioned in "Communication Studies" and "Cooperative Calligraphy").[4] In the film, when someone says "Beetlejuice" three times, the character Betelgeuse would suddenly enter the scene.[5]

that is an insane level of detail

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Friday, 6 January 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

well some site recently figured that out and put together a video of the 3 Beetlejuice scenes (it was either posted upthread or on the sandbox thread). but yeah wiki nerds, go fig.

we bought a zoo in a hopeless place (some dude), Friday, 6 January 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link

and of course reading really dry joyless wiki explanations of gags instead of watching is a big source of fuel for whiney's vitriol

we bought a zoo in a hopeless place (some dude), Friday, 6 January 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link

wiki whites

Lady Writer, Male Seether (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 6 January 2012 22:15 (twelve years ago) link

the Earth's atmosphere being 78% nitrogen is a big source of fuel for Whiney's vitriol!

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Friday, 6 January 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19FMU3M7Jtk

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 6 January 2012 22:32 (twelve years ago) link

when pierce accidentally calls his mom on his pocketphone in season 1, she says 'i saw your father's ghost again'...

j., Monday, 9 January 2012 04:06 (twelve years ago) link

Wow, Modern Warfare was really a thing of beauty, wasn't it?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 9 January 2012 04:55 (twelve years ago) link

DUN DUN

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 00:49 (twelve years ago) link

OH MY GOD I LOVE THIS SHOW

Mordy, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 01:42 (twelve years ago) link

Community + Law & Order. really i can't think of anything better.

Mordy, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 01:42 (twelve years ago) link

i hope detective munch has a cameo

Mordy, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 01:42 (twelve years ago) link

Or Ice T gets an "on the down low" comment in.

nickn, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 01:43 (twelve years ago) link

damn that episode lol

Nhex, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 04:17 (twelve years ago) link

wait is this on the air

i love pinfold cricket (gbx), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 04:21 (twelve years ago) link

not for a couple months

seasonal thug (some dude), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 04:46 (twelve years ago) link

a tv dude on twitter was saying that nbc's "the firm" bombed so badly on its first airing that it's probably kaput, which means the thursday @ 10 hour will be open. bring back the thursday three-hour comedy bloc, nbc!!

fighting growlbacks bottomless spirit pit (reddening), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 05:57 (twelve years ago) link

also tomorrow we'll see how the chelsea/whitney comedy hour fares in the ratings

fighting growlbacks bottomless spirit pit (reddening), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 06:00 (twelve years ago) link

NBC is so dumb right now in general, I don't know why they thought The Firm would work as a series in 2012.

Nicole, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 12:12 (twelve years ago) link

I literally cannot wait for the blanket fort civil war episode.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 13:00 (twelve years ago) link

i half-watched The Firm and mostly just felt bad for Molly Parker

seasonal thug (some dude), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 14:19 (twelve years ago) link

kinda hate that there's all this advance discussion & anticipation of the premises/concepts of upcoming episodes -- one of my favorite things about the first paintball episode or the My Dinner With Andre episode is that i had NO idea about them ahead of time, was a lot more exciting that way imo

seasonal thug (some dude), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link

too much hype kind of dampened the fun of paintball 2 for me.

phantompenguin, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link

well that was a 'sequel' so it's not like there even could've been much element of surprise (although i'm glad i didn't know in advance about the star wars theme of the 2nd half, since they did it better than i would've expected)

some dude, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link

kinda hate that there's all this advance discussion & anticipation of the premises/concepts of upcoming episodes -- one of my favorite things about the first paintball episode or the My Dinner With Andre episode is that i had NO idea about them ahead of time, was a lot more exciting that way imo

― seasonal thug (some dude), Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:24 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Me too. I had no idea about the Goodfellas homage until the freeze-frame and "As long as I can remember, I always wanted to be in a mafia movie." My first thought was, crap, a Family Guy-esque throwaway joke/non-sequitur. But they went full-Layla on that shit, and if I'd known about it ahead of time, it wouldn't have been half as fun.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 12 January 2012 01:13 (twelve years ago) link

I literally cannot wait for the blanket fort civil war episode.

omg you guys Matt DC is literally watching the blanket fort civil war episode right now

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Thursday, 12 January 2012 01:24 (twelve years ago) link

wait what how?

Mordy, Thursday, 12 January 2012 01:24 (twelve years ago) link

SHUT

UP

mookieproof, Thursday, 12 January 2012 01:25 (twelve years ago) link

yeah the Layla bit in particular killed me!

Nhex, Thursday, 12 January 2012 01:50 (twelve years ago) link

According to the DVD commentary, a substantial portion of that season's funding was spent on the rights to "Layla." Worth it.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 12 January 2012 03:10 (twelve years ago) link

ratings horserace stuff: whitney/chelsea got decent-for-nbc ratings on wednesday, which, vomit. however, 30 rock, in community's old time slot, basically got community ratings (maybe a fraction higher), so there's some vindication that the nbc 8:00 time slot is poison.

the firm got even more hilariously low ratings after they moved it to thursday @ 10, so that might be yanked pretty quick here.

fighting growlbacks bottomless spirit pit (reddening), Saturday, 14 January 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago) link

iirc, Community is still on its regular shooting schedule, so it's not inconceivable that a quick, Firm yank could result in, "You asked for it, America! Community's back sooner than expected!"

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 14 January 2012 05:00 (twelve years ago) link

Surprised how small Annie's boobs* are considering it is internet comic book art involving large boobs the internet are obsessed over.

*the actual boobs, not the monkey

Aesop Rizzle (a hoy hoy), Monday, 16 January 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link

okay the Dean as the White Queen is several levels of genius

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 16 January 2012 18:05 (twelve years ago) link

Surprised how small Annie's boobs* are considering it is internet comic book art involving large boobs the internet are obsessed over.

*the actual boobs, not the monkey

Isn't she supposed to be young Kitty Pryde (w/Annie's Boobs as Lockheed)? She didn't busty til later on in Excalibur.

(This has to be the nerdiest post I've ever made here.)

Lady Writer, Male Seether (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 January 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link

"didn't get"

Lady Writer, Male Seether (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 January 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link

okay the Dean as the White Queen is several levels of genius

I kind of wish I had an action figure of this!

Also, still disappointed that we didn't get to see Jim Rash at the Golden Globes when the Descendants won.

Nicole, Monday, 16 January 2012 20:43 (twelve years ago) link

i would buy all of those as action figures tbh

Mordy, Monday, 16 January 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link

I'm just glad that I recognized all of the X-Men (although the last time I read it, Prof X had a regular wheelchair).

Also, love that Chang's/Nightcrawler's taped-on tail fell off.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 16 January 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

He got the space-age wheelchair after he started boning Lilandra

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Monday, 16 January 2012 23:47 (twelve years ago) link

Wow...I don't even know who that is. In fact, I think Kitty Pryde was still called Sprite when I last checked in.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 03:14 (twelve years ago) link

Lilandra was the Shi'ar empress that Xavier ditched Earth to shack up with for several years; when he came back, he brought a ton of alien tech with him and massively upgraded the mansion's tech, inlcuding his wheelchair

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 03:18 (twelve years ago) link

lilandra she's a space princess. i just looked it up and kitty pryde has been shadowcat since i was born!

Mordy, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 03:18 (twelve years ago) link

Kitty showed up after Lilandra btw

Bam! Orgasm explosion in your facehole. (DJP), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 03:20 (twelve years ago) link

<3 y'all

mookieproof, Tuesday, 17 January 2012 03:23 (twelve years ago) link

Ha...yeah, I stopped paying attention around issue 165 or so, which is to say , #165 of The Uncanny X-Men. I realize now there are about 14 variations.

xp

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 03:25 (twelve years ago) link

get out of this thread you geeks

this is a thread for nerds

Celebrating In The Ndzone (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 07:10 (twelve years ago) link

otm

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 13:11 (twelve years ago) link

Ha...yeah, I stopped paying attention around issue 165 or so, which is to say , #165 of The Uncanny X-Men. I realize now there are about 14 variations.

am ready essential x-men vol 4 at the moment and just have to ask - why was paul smith's run on the title so short??

Harvey Weewax (stevie), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 14:02 (twelve years ago) link

ready reading

Harvey Weewax (stevie), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 14:02 (twelve years ago) link

same reason paul smith's run on anything he's ever done is so short

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:40 (twelve years ago) link

30 rock demo ratings were down from last week, so it's officially doing just as bad as community ever did. whitney/chelsea fell too thanks to american idol coming back.

fighting growlbacks bottomless spirit pit (reddening), Friday, 20 January 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link

whitney/chelsea fell too thanks to american idol coming back.

Silver linings.

Seriously, who votes for Drake? (Nicole), Friday, 20 January 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link

It's the timeslot, dammit.

encarta it (Gukbe), Friday, 20 January 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link

and the network. and the shows.

@51TimesNo (some dude), Friday, 20 January 2012 21:55 (twelve years ago) link

NBC has said that Community won't be on Thursdays when it comes back.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 20 January 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago) link

not even during the 10 o'clock hour? boooo nbc

fighting growlbacks bottomless spirit pit (reddening), Saturday, 21 January 2012 09:59 (twelve years ago) link

Surprising they aren't going for the 10pm comedy hour again given that The Firm is doing worse than Prime Suspect.

encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 21 January 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link

of all the things that have done badly in that timeslot since "ER" went off the air, trying more hourlong dramas is still probably a better gamble than primetime Leno, "The Marriage Ref," or six sitcoms in a row.

@51TimesNo (some dude), Saturday, 21 January 2012 17:45 (twelve years ago) link

True, but 30 Rock did much better at 10 last year than their dramas and The Apprentice. When they pull The Firm I don't know that they have anything to replace it with.

encarta it (Gukbe), Saturday, 21 January 2012 17:50 (twelve years ago) link

Donald Glover sez: Save Community!

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 2 February 2012 20:25 (twelve years ago) link

http://twitpic.com/8j4uzk

http://twitpic.com/8j4uzk
if that doesn't load

Put another Juggle in, in the Juggalodeon (kingfish), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 23:22 (twelve years ago) link

would prefer to contribute to a kickstarter that got community back on the air tbh

the world is just a racist onion (stevie), Monday, 20 February 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link

So you long do you American fellows' 'mid-season hiatuses' typically last for?

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Monday, 20 February 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link

This is sort of a special case, where the return is promised but no date is set.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 20 February 2012 17:28 (twelve years ago) link

another $25 to Kickstarter!

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Monday, 20 February 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

would prefer to contribute to a kickstarter that got community back on the air tbh

^^^ this. Or a kickstarter that sent Whitney Cummings to outer space, thus clearing space for Community on NBC's schedule.

Nicole, Monday, 20 February 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link

It'll probably occupy the place of the Chelsea Handler thing, because Whitney is still a winner (by NBC standards).

Johnny Fever, Monday, 20 February 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link

That is so depressing on so many different levels.

Nicole, Monday, 20 February 2012 18:10 (twelve years ago) link

one of the supporting cast members on Are You There Chelsea? just did an SNL audition showcase, which is less than a vote of confidence in the show from the network brass.

da croupier, Monday, 20 February 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

Meanwhile, upcoming guest stars include John Hodgman and Giancarlo Esposito (!)

Also, someone's gonna die.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 20 February 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

Giancarlo Esposito :D

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 February 2012 22:09 (twelve years ago) link

YES

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Monday, 20 February 2012 22:59 (twelve years ago) link

Watching season 1, Annie macing herself is beyond hilarious

(thinks and smiles) (DJP), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 03:32 (twelve years ago) link

You know, its kind of annoying to get IMPORTANT(!) news updates about this show every week without news on when the hell these episodes are going to air.

But at this point I'm assuming they're going to be burned off over the summer.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 03:51 (twelve years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/tNkKi.png

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 04:06 (twelve years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/hsmC1.gif

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 04:09 (twelve years ago) link

I saw Dan Harmon at the Nerdist live podcast a few weeks ago, and he said that the Sony copyright guy freaked out when they first did Inspector Spacetime, and had to go through hours of Doctor Who footage making sure they didn't infringe copyright. And he said ever since then all the storylines and stuff they've used have been fan-generated content, that the fans just went off on creating stories and videos and fanfic, so they've just been cannibalising that ever since, which I thought was kinda cool.

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 04:20 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.twitvid.com/F2B0H

Allison Brie breaks it to Danny singing C+C Music Factory on the final day of shooting

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 05:43 (twelve years ago) link

everytime i think i fall out of love i fall right back in.

We're not quite at summer burn-off time just yet. If there are 12 episodes in the can left to air, then they wouldn't have to start airing until mid-March. I think if they start any later than that, and they don't get the finale in on time for sweeps, then NBC has probably totally given up on it.

I can see them getting rid of Chelsea, which is currently their lowest-rated sitcom and putting it on after Whitney. They probably don't want to give up on Up All Night yet, despite its inability to hold onto the declining Office ratings. If they did, I'd imagine they'd move 30 Rock to the 9:30 slot to see how it does (its a much more expensive show) and put Community back in at 8 as they seem to have a guaranteed audience that's better than 30 is doing there now.

If there is a summer burn-off, I hope it's a good one and they don't end with a cliffhanger to try to convince the network to give 'em another season.

encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 06:16 (twelve years ago) link

this might be 30 rocks last year (baldwin wants it to end and he is a p big part of the show)

a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 11:32 (twelve years ago) link

I thought they persuaded Baldwin to stay one season more (even after him being so vocal about this being his last year), but I could be making that up.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 11:36 (twelve years ago) link

xp I think Dan Harmon knows Community's future is walking a tightrope right now, and he kind of loves his fans, so I don't think he'd end season 3 on some kind of cliffhanger that would likely never be resolved.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 11:37 (twelve years ago) link

that is obsessed tv fan bait if ever there was such a thing though!

a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 12:10 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I'd hate for it to end on a cliffhanger and have the central mystery of the show go unresolved.

President Keyes, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 12:25 (twelve years ago) link

fuckin a

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ALF_episodes

j., Tuesday, 21 February 2012 14:36 (twelve years ago) link

Baldwin has signed on for one more year of 30 Rock xposts.

encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 19:07 (twelve years ago) link

Dan Harmon @danharmon

What you call 8:00, we call home. Community returns to Thursday nights on March 15th.

Prince Rebus (donna rouge), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link

I just squealed.

Let A Man Come In And Do The Cop Porn (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

Exactly 12 weeks before the end of May Sweeps. There's still a fighting chance.

encarta it (Gukbe), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link

:D

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:26 (twelve years ago) link

HOORAY!! I'm sad that Parks and Rec will have a longer than usual break between episodes as a result, but at least we'll end the season with Community, 30 Rock, and Parks and Rec all on the same night...AS GOD INTENDED.

ban opinions (reddening), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link

This just made my wife's day, especially since it returns on her birthday.

Gonjasufjanstephen O'Malley (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:39 (twelve years ago) link

o god

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

dancin
dancin
DAAAAANCIN!!!!!!!

hooray hooray

Janet Snakehole (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:06 (twelve years ago) link

lol parks and rec getting a five week hiatus just as community returns is the ultimate "we can't have nice things"

if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link

wooo!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link

!

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 21 February 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

The show's PaleyFest panel starts in half an hour and is being streamed here: http://new.livestream.com/paleycenter/community

Not a clue if it'll work outside the US, but hey-ho.

William Bloody Swygart, Sunday, 4 March 2012 03:07 (twelve years ago) link

lol Jim Rash's Oscar on the table.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Sunday, 4 March 2012 04:37 (twelve years ago) link

This was fun

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Sunday, 4 March 2012 05:01 (twelve years ago) link

Arrg missed the livestream. Looks like all that's on YouTube right now is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLE5j33T-co

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Sunday, 4 March 2012 14:42 (twelve years ago) link

Hah, I watched the Batman episode again recently and only then noticed that Troy was just walking round the apartment happily singing Abed's Halloween song to himself.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Sunday, 4 March 2012 14:48 (twelve years ago) link

Ah, here we go. The whole panel, in 24 bite-sized Communinuggets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2UoLK_r-Ko

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Sunday, 4 March 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link

Livestream technology is now such that I could watch(read: listen to) all of this on my phone as I drove home last night.

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Sunday, 4 March 2012 19:34 (twelve years ago) link

Here's a youtube playlist: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2B63B1FC877FAD30

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 4 March 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

just watched the whole thing, convinced jim rash is the funniest one there

if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Sunday, 4 March 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link

Unless I'm wrong, he's the only proper improv type in the cast, isn't he? Jacobs, Pudi, YNB are all trad actors, Glover and McHale are stand-ups, not sure about Brie and Jeong.

William Bloody Swygart, Monday, 5 March 2012 00:51 (twelve years ago) link

Jeong started as a standup. Actually, he started as a doctor, and then became a standup.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Monday, 5 March 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago) link

i always assumed rash was a trad actor who just fit the role really well

if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Monday, 5 March 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago) link

Glover is an improv dude. McHale a proper actor. Both have only started doing stand up post-Community.

a hoy hoy, Monday, 5 March 2012 01:22 (twelve years ago) link

well, JM got into standup via The Soup a while before Community, but yeah, both those guys came to it after being on TV

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 01:31 (twelve years ago) link

Glover's not really got an improv core, he definitely came up through sketch and formal writing

McHale was doing stand-up years before Community afaik

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Monday, 5 March 2012 01:34 (twelve years ago) link

xpost

Θ ̨Θƪ (sic), Monday, 5 March 2012 01:34 (twelve years ago) link

tarfumes linked to the av club article mentioning it, but this whole interview with community women is a v interesting and worthwhile read: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/28/community-alison-brie-yvette-nicole-brown-gillian-jacobs-megan-ganz-roundtable.html

Boo-Yaa Too Rough International Boo-Yaa Empire (Merdeyeux), Monday, 5 March 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago) link

Shirley could be an even better character if she started addressing people as "Stinker" or "my little pumpkins"

some dude, Monday, 5 March 2012 01:49 (twelve years ago) link

all the talk (from harmon, actors, writers, fans) about "how this episode really tells you why these people are friends" or "we really wanted to give shirley more depth this episode" etc. really kind of diminishes my enjoyment of the show. it feels like it doesn't leave any room for viewers to make heir own judgments, and anyway the "emotional" beats are generally the worst in this series. i should probably just attempt to watch it in a vacuum.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 5 March 2012 03:19 (twelve years ago) link

Jim Rash is a groundlings/UCB-type; I believe he taught improv there, if my FB/LJ friends are anything to go from.

One day somebody will realize that Ken Jeong is best when doing straight deadpan. I still hold that the funniest he's ever been onscreen was Knocked Up.

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Monday, 5 March 2012 03:33 (twelve years ago) link

Actually, I don't have a problem with them explicitly breaking down the show and how they wanted the characters to work. There's something in the construction & intelligence of the show that connects to me emotionally, even with it all exposed. It's like it operates on a level where the impact of the magic trick is only heightened by showing everyone how it's done. We all know we're watching this very meticulously assembled thing, and the intelligence involved with it and what it needs from the viewers only makes us like it more.

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Monday, 5 March 2012 03:42 (twelve years ago) link

except that it DOESN'T really seem that meticulously assembled, really, and to me that's what all the backchannels etc. reveal. i mean for all the talk they do you'd think the show would be of a bit more formal interest in terms of balancing plotlines, etc. but it's really not that much more sophisticated than a lot of other shows, except in its humor--which is what gets talked about the least, it seems.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 5 March 2012 03:45 (twelve years ago) link

i think someone needs to go back to the dan harmon circles reeducation camp, where circles

if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Monday, 5 March 2012 04:02 (twelve years ago) link

One day somebody will realize that Ken Jeong is best when doing straight deadpan. I still hold that the funniest he's ever been onscreen was Knocked Up.

The deleted scene with him, Katherine Heigl, and Adam Scott is insanely hilarious. Scott loses it, and Heigl sounds like she's about to hyperventilate.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Monday, 5 March 2012 04:12 (twelve years ago) link

Pt. 14 on the paleyfest with the spoilers bit was hilarious.

s.clover, Tuesday, 6 March 2012 19:02 (twelve years ago) link

a spoilery but awesome season 3 return trailer is up (video auto-plays, sorry about that).

i think they released an animated short today too, but i haven't watched it yet.

an electronic plaque of Abraham Lincoln's assassination (reddening), Thursday, 8 March 2012 04:54 (twelve years ago) link

Holy balls! That's about a million times more amazing than I ever dreamed it might be.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 8 March 2012 06:37 (twelve years ago) link

People are now just busying themselves assembling their own mash-up trailers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgHFL3eW4nY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD8WOzRG8ik

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTt4EYDjk6k

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Thursday, 8 March 2012 06:50 (twelve years ago) link

I kind of want to start a thread just to attract Whiney's attention to the existence of this:

http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/community-jedi.jpg

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 9 March 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link

Holy balls! That's about a million times more amazing than I ever dreamed it might be.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, March 8, 2012 1:37 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Damn straight. I thought the season 3 trailer was special, but this...this is the John Coltrane of mid-season sitcom teaser trailers.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 March 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

Also caught a few glimpses of what Harmon called "either the best or the worst thing in television history," just Annie and Abed in the Dreamatorium for the whole episode.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 March 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link

Surely Abed should be Luke and Jeff Han? Britta as Bib Fortuna and Shirley the Ewok are genius though.

Inevitable stupid samba mix (chap), Friday, 9 March 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link

Abed has already dressed up as Han on the show, though.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 9 March 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link

was the new one last nite?

Lamp, Friday, 9 March 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link

IIRC he had to grab being Han before Jeff slouches into the role by default

kinder, Friday, 9 March 2012 18:56 (twelve years ago) link

xp It wasn't on last night; it starts up again this coming Wednesday.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 March 2012 18:58 (twelve years ago) link

thursday

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 9 March 2012 19:01 (twelve years ago) link

Arg, right. I was thinking of Happy Endings.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 March 2012 19:04 (twelve years ago) link

Dean as Oola

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Friday, 9 March 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link

http://instantmagnitude.com

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Sunday, 11 March 2012 07:44 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think every genre exercise the show does counts as "parody", which Carter wrote like 3x.

I do like that this quote made it in there:

Mr. Harmon appreciates the praise and said he had no quarrel with NBC’s executives, adding that they were supportive beyond the call of duty, “especially when they are under such pressure — they’re in a knife fight with Univision for ratings, for gosh sakes"

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link

Britta as Jacko looks hilarious.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago) link

"we're in a ratings war, for pete's sake, we can't have 'community'!"

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 March 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

"...Jim Rash, who plays the bent Dean Pelton on the show. "

Um what

kinder, Tuesday, 13 March 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link

wkiw drunk Britta

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 16 March 2012 00:29 (twelve years ago) link

I'm so mad I missed this, our NBC affiliate didn't air it in favor of overblown thunderstorm coverage.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 16 March 2012 01:52 (twelve years ago) link

"...Jim Rash, who plays the bent Dean Pelton on the show. "

Um what

― kinder, Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:48 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

um what um what

some dude, Friday, 16 March 2012 01:56 (twelve years ago) link

^^It's a secret plug for the forthcoming NBC Romantic Comedy series "Bent".

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 16 March 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago) link

Man, some of the line-readings tonight were just killer.

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Friday, 16 March 2012 04:33 (twelve years ago) link

I feel super vindicated by my very early pronouncements of Community's greatness itt. Y'all just let me know when you want me to predict the next sitcom phenomenon, y'hear?

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 04:53 (twelve years ago) link

Lemme guess: GCB

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 March 2012 05:02 (twelve years ago) link

the Only Fools and Horses remake with John Leguizamo.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 16 March 2012 05:03 (twelve years ago) link

Unfortunately, ¡Rob! didn't get renewed for a second season. So much potential...lost.

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 05:05 (twelve years ago) link

haha

Johnny Fever, Friday, 16 March 2012 05:06 (twelve years ago) link

I suspect Apartment 23 could be good, but it could also be very very bad.

"Way to commit, Johnny Fever!"

Johnny Fever, Friday, 16 March 2012 05:06 (twelve years ago) link

I feel like Happy Endings is the new Show To Watch, but it's more low-key on a Friends tip and doesn't seem likely to crush it with brilliance like Community. You never know, though.

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 05:10 (twelve years ago) link

agree with you on happy endings, but i think it's rocketed up super fast. like it's not quite community and parks and rec level but it could get to that level someday... maybe closer to 30 rock with its hyper joke machine style, but with much less emotional character investment than any of these shows

Nhex, Friday, 16 March 2012 06:16 (twelve years ago) link

aw man fuck troy's cockblocking. abed was getting down w/ that blonde

drunk britta is the best thing ever

a hoy hoy, Friday, 16 March 2012 08:05 (twelve years ago) link

Hey, welcome back the old "I find funny, attractive women confusing" argument.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 16 March 2012 10:37 (twelve years ago) link

When the main example for your thesis misses the blindingly obvious fact that the character in question was super super high, you may have written a Terri le article.

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 12:07 (twelve years ago) link

Grr terrible

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 12:08 (twelve years ago) link

i was wondering who this Terri Le person was

some dude, Friday, 16 March 2012 12:59 (twelve years ago) link

btw guys, the answer isn't happy endings, even tho that show is super fun. the best new sitcom is suburgatory.

Mordy, Friday, 16 March 2012 13:41 (twelve years ago) link

ugh, no, that show is terrible

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 March 2012 13:43 (twelve years ago) link

Also terrible: http://www.salon.com/2012/03/16/communitys_identity_crisis/

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 16 March 2012 13:43 (twelve years ago) link

xp you're so wrong. funniest new show. i lol constantly

Mordy, Friday, 16 March 2012 13:44 (twelve years ago) link

i really like Suburgatory but i don't feel like it's a constant lol kind of show

some dude, Friday, 16 March 2012 13:44 (twelve years ago) link

lol @ dumbass Salon writer saying Community just started its 4th season because there was a short mid-season break

some dude, Friday, 16 March 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link

How much more wrong does it get from "fourth season premiere? I couldn't bear to read on when their facts are so bogglingly wrong from the get go.

(lol xpost)

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 March 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link

Also wasn't that episode actually written ages ago?

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Friday, 16 March 2012 13:47 (twelve years ago) link

Also smh at the idea of this show having an "identity crisis", was this his second episode ever?

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 March 2012 13:48 (twelve years ago) link

Suburbagatory is funny but I wouldn't call it the BEST NEW SHOW or whatever

Tessa's creepy friend next door is fantastic tho

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 13:49 (twelve years ago) link

omg the black sticom article underneath the Community article is almost as bad

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 13:53 (twelve years ago) link

maybe suburgatory is funnier if you actually live in the suburbs

Mordy, Friday, 16 March 2012 13:55 (twelve years ago) link

not really. i gave it two chances now and i thought both were awful.

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 March 2012 13:57 (twelve years ago) link

jon, nothing personal, but aside from the fact we're both posting on the Community thread i don't really suspect we share tastes in anything

Mordy, Friday, 16 March 2012 13:58 (twelve years ago) link

lol

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 March 2012 14:00 (twelve years ago) link

Fine, we both went to public school

a hoy hoy, Friday, 16 March 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link

troy comes out the dreamatorium wearing the ivory wig

a hoy hoy, Friday, 16 March 2012 14:39 (twelve years ago) link

I noted that too. How did they wind up with it?

Johnny Fever, Friday, 16 March 2012 14:40 (twelve years ago) link

power of dreams i guess

a hoy hoy, Friday, 16 March 2012 14:49 (twelve years ago) link

"I didn't even make a Christmas list for Santa because I didn't want to depend on a man for anything!"

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 March 2012 14:52 (twelve years ago) link

"'Webster's Dictionary defines?' That's the Jim Belushi of speech openings: it accomplishes nothing, but everyone keeps using it and nobody understands why."

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 16 March 2012 15:11 (twelve years ago) link

I agree that this was a really underwhelming season premiere. I wish people weren't forcing me to like this show.

P.S. http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7068/6841249186_627d8fc0f9.jpg

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 15:12 (twelve years ago) link

absence makes the heart realize this is kind of a shitty show

Lamp, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:09 (twelve years ago) link

I'm interested in learning more about this shittiness metric you're using.

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link

Because I think you might be using it wrong.

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link

absence makes the heart realize this is kind of a shitty show

― Lamp, Friday, March 16, 2012 11:09 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm :(

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:14 (twelve years ago) link

lol @ a slightly subpar episode somehow "proving" that its been "shitty" all along

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link

Because I think you might be using it wrong.

as a fan of parks & rec you should ask yourself: 'do i think this is good television?' and if the answer is yes than its probably a shitty show

Lamp, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link

I dispute the premise that this episode was in any way subpar.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link

it was better than the ACTUAL season premiere at least

some dude, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link

"looking back this show is actually bad" is the kind of thing you're supposed to say about a show from childhood, not a show from a few months ago

da croupier, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:19 (twelve years ago) link

unless you're just talking shit i mean

da croupier, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago) link

The A-Team? Objectively bad, it's true.

Community? Still great.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago) link

as a fan of parks & rec you should ask yourself: 'do i think this is good television?' and if the answer is yes than its probably a shitty show

Well, admittedly neither show holds a candle to the revolutionary and mindblowing Revenge..........

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:28 (twelve years ago) link

I think what we really need is lagoon's Universal Comedy Meter to settle the argument once and for all.

fuck all y'all. I thought it was funny. hmph.

and you guys, if you want to see an actual not-funny show go watch GCB.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link

I hope Community calls out ABC jacking their use of the initial "B"

da croupier, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

I think the story was shitty. Make shift sitcom wedding is a crappy cliche and the husband came off as a dick you wouldn't want to be happy for. Britta's part didn't really make sense but was pulled off well enough that I didn't care. Jeff's part seemed badly written. Annie just seemed a device. Abed, Troy and Pierce were funny but didn't add anything to the story.

Oh and the end was that awful thing I hate. 'Piece turns on machine, freaks out when all he has to do is turn it off' just pisses me off for a show that treats the audience as having a brain cell.

---

I recently read the av club rundown w/ harmon talking about every season 2 episode. and he hates and is disappointed with 'normal' episodes that are just shitty sitcom tropes that don't fit community and that they have proved themselves to be better than. In particular he hated the 'jeff hates pierce because he can get laid and jeff can't' one. This seemed like that. None of Jeff's growth over 2 and a half years mattered, he falls apart straight away. Second marriage in which the groom learns he needs to be less of a dick to his housewife was done by the simpsons better, over a decade ago. Crazily, this episode added absolutely nothing to Shirley's character.

If it didn't have some A+ jokes this might have been my least favourite episode.

Another thing to give me hope though was the shitty 'normal' episodes in S2 were put in place to distract the network and keep them happy while they did stuff like My Dinner w/ Abed and stuff. So hopefully this wasn't Dan Harmon selling out his principles for a 4th season of mediocrity and stale tropes and instead means he's selling out some principles to go out with a bang.

a hoy hoy, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:31 (twelve years ago) link

Crazily, this episode added absolutely nothing to Shirley's character.

I completely disagree with this, btw. I think showed a lot of growth in terms of how she wants to be successful! It was kind of an important turning point in her development this season.

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago) link

The weirdness thing was funny, but I feel like they underused it. The whole restaurant plot was supremely boring.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

Like seriously, from that whole group, no-one felt to pipe up when he was all 'be a housewife, woman!'? I hate confrontation and even I would have something to say if my friend was hanging with someone like that, let alone marrying into it.

a hoy hoy, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

Maybe my favorite throwaway joke in the episode was during Shirley and Pierce's presentation to the dean, and the little dean cartoon appeared and Jim Rash says "THAT'S ME!"

Johnny Fever, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

that was awesome

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

^^^ otm

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link

"How did I get to be holding those giant bags of money?"

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link

also when Dean throws shirley that line about her fiscal whatever and she says 'that doesn't make any sense'

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link

Well, admittedly neither show holds a candle to the revolutionary and mindblowing Revenge..........

this is overstated but still p much true

the dig on last nites 30 rock about character growth on sitcoms was p good, this whole increasingly solipsistic and grotesque interest in character 'growth' on sitcoms is horrible this is not what makes shows good you sad ppl

Lamp, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

None of Jeff's growth over 2 and a half years mattered

this happens almost every episode.

sorry guys, i hate it when people are like "uh this show sucks now" and it's weird to say it about community because it's always been wildly inconsistent in tone and quality but i agree that seeing this again after it being gone for a chunk of time is kind of making me feel like "huh that's what i was missing? i wish parks and rec was on instead"

jim rash was funny though.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

I don't know, I do think it was a less-than-stellar episode, but I really don't understand how this one single episode since the hiatus could make you question your enjoyment of the show in its entirety.

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link

If you view the series as being primarily about people figuring out how to live and interact with one another in a healthy and harmonious way (which I assert is the intended overarching theme), just about every episode is a success. This episode is no exception.

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:41 (twelve years ago) link

i'm not questioning that i've enjoyed it in the past, i'm questioning whether maybe it should just be canceled and done because they don't seem to going anywhere or doing anything or recognizing/repairing the flaws in the show.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:42 (twelve years ago) link

I AM NOT ARGUING ABOUT COMMUNITY ON THE INTERNET

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link

I haven't watched last night's episode but this season so far has been scattershot enough that if they DID cancel it, I wouldn't be like "not in its PRIME!!!!" Though I'm not at a point where I don't want to see where it goes with the episodes made.

da croupier, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link

I don't know, I feel like, as a hoy hoy kinda was getting at, there have always been these "middling" episodes from time to time that kind of take up room between the epic laughfests. This was another one of those and I think its too early to write if off just yet.

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link

Somewhere an Onion AV Club writers/commenter just threw up a little.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link

i think we can safely assume that 24/7

da croupier, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:46 (twelve years ago) link

the dig on last nites 30 rock about character growth on sitcoms was p good, this whole increasingly solipsistic and grotesque interest in character 'growth' on sitcoms is horrible this is not what makes shows good you sad ppl

― Lamp, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:39 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

increasingly solipsistic and grotesque interest != not what is happening here btw. 1 part of many points of interest = what is happening here.

a hoy hoy, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:47 (twelve years ago) link

I AM NOT ARGUING ABOUT COMMUNITY ON THE INTERNET

coming in and otming a "challops" post about it being a shitty show after a string of threads about people enjoying it probably isn't your best way to approach it then, tbh

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:47 (twelve years ago) link

speaking of jim rash this thread is more annoying than a gym rash

some dude, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:49 (twelve years ago) link

i'm not questioning that i've enjoyed it in the past, i'm questioning whether maybe it should just be canceled and done because they don't seem to going anywhere or doing anything or recognizing/repairing the flaws in the show.

And

absence makes the heart realize this is kind of a shitty show

I don't have time to find and post a Community 'you're the worst' gif here but just pretend I did.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:51 (twelve years ago) link

again, i hate it when people are dicks about something people are excited about so sorry for being a buzzkill. i have gotten a lot of enjoyment from this show in the past and wanted to talk about feeling weird about just feeling meh/disappointment about it now, not trying to be like "you guys are dumb for liking this."

"i am not arguing about..." is not a phrase of denial in my usage, it's like a self-affirmation to try and keep yourself from arguing about something you don't want to argue about.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link

dude you otm'd a challop

da croupier, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

I think a bad episode of community is still better than most tv. I enjoyed this episode. I just don't think i'll rewatch it, mainly because i think if i did I'd find more things that bother me than amuse me.

I hold Dan Harmon to a higher standard, much like I do Sorkin, Whedon, David Simon etc. Dude can create week-in week-out EVENTS of true ability, so when he doesn't and just treats us to nice filler, I kinda want to kneejerk and hate. Maybe it was because the first episode back. They have always been a bit slow out of the gates but I still expect these folks to pull out something special.

a hoy hoy, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

its not really that challenging is the thing

Lamp, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

lol I hate Sorkin so much, using him as a positive indicator is my definition of "damning with faint praise"

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

"why couldn't they have reached the heights of the episode of the West Wing where the Republican girl realized 'zomg these Democrats WORK HARD and are PASSIONATE, maybe I should ADMIRE them'"

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:57 (twelve years ago) link

guys you can like something and still admit its weaknesses. fandom doesn't have to be an all-or-nothing proposition.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:00 (twelve years ago) link

I still expect these folks to pull out something special.

Well, the episode prior to this was the Glee/x-mas dealie, preceded by foosball, and before that, "Hearts of Darkness." Granted, anything following that run is going to seem anticlimactic. But to paraphrase Louis CK, will you give them a second? They're going to space!

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:01 (twelve years ago) link

ha ha come on

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:02 (twelve years ago) link

Even this amazing run in S2 had that awful episode with Pierce's Asian fiancee in the middle of it.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link

"why couldn't they have reached the heights of the episode of the West Wing where the Republican girl realized 'zomg these Democrats WORK HARD and are PASSIONATE, maybe I should ADMIRE them'"

― thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 16:57 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol this is just the drama version of 'the groom realises that the bride is MORE THAN A MOTHER AND A HOUSEWIFE and that he still wants to marry her AS AN INDEPENDANT WOMAN'

a hoy hoy, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link

I think Freaks and Geeks is the only tv show to make it through without a shitty episode, and that got cancelled before it had the chance.

a hoy hoy, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:05 (twelve years ago) link

I thought Britta the wedding planner savant was hilarious

I also liked seeing Shirley really take the reins of the sandwich shop pitch and show serious potential as a credible fictional small business owner

I also liked Jeff's drunken line dancing

I'd give this episode a solid B

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link

If you view the series as being primarily about people figuring out how to live and interact with one another in a healthy and harmonious way (which I assert is the intended overarching theme), just about every episode is a success.

replaying the same unconvincing emotional beats episode after tedious episode is sorta whats ruined this show. the characters are too thin and uninteresting to sustain it, the whole 'these people realizing theyre a surrogate family' thing is entirely w/e. idk i agree w/ n/a i used to really like this show, i like its structural gimmicks and worldbuilding and when it goes hard on jokes, the absurdity and pastiche. but i didnt really miss the show when it was gone and last nite i looked and realized that there was 7 minutes left of an episode that had already felt like an hour and turned it off, happily.

Lamp, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:10 (twelve years ago) link

then the next day at work i went on a msg board and complained about it at length

Lamp, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:11 (twelve years ago) link

It is a sitcom ppl. can we lay off looking for structural innovation and worldbuilding please?

s.clover, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link

after they've been really good at both in the past...not really

da croupier, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link

lol

i have an extremely low tolerance in picking shows to watch but when i find one i like, i cant imagine just stopping caring. the only one i've really given up on is how i met your mother. even if it drops off a little in quality or places to go, usually i'll stick it out.

a hoy hoy, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link

eh, I found enough things to laugh at/enjoy in this episode that I didn't particularly mind/care that it was largely played straight

still lolling at Britta's "oh whatever, just take some of this crap and some of this junk and here's your stupid centerpiece"

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link

i looked and realized that there was 7 minutes left of an episode that had already felt like an hour and turned it off, happily.

Too bad. You missed the credits gag, which apart from being the funniest, most complex, and most layered joke the show has ever done, also focused and expanded on the intense neuroses of one of the characters to such an intense degree that I literally wept. It's no exaggeration to say that you will find every episode from this point forward to be utterly impenetrable without the understanding that this gag brought.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link

lol

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

hahahaha

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

you will find every episode from this point forward to be utterly impenetrable

just like the rest of america amirite

Lamp, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link

just to clarify, i don't mind when community plays straight. the only episodes that really had me clawing my face was the "model un"/"detective chang" two-fer, which just went too far down the Family Guy path for my taste

da croupier, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link

I basically have zero time for complaints and critiques someone who couldn't make it through the whole thirty minutes of the thing they're critiquing. Even my ADD ass thinks that's pretty sad.

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link

You missed the credits gag, which apart from being the funniest, most complex, and most layered joke the show has ever done, also focused and expanded on the intense neuroses of one of the characters to such an intense degree that I literally wept.

Peel back some of the layers for us, please.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link

I wept just reading your description.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:21 (twelve years ago) link

(Goddamnit, I have to stop ILXORing on a phone. It's making me look like I don't understand basic sentence construction.)

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link

Peel back some of the layers for us, please.

― the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:20 (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ice cream
more ice cream
a cone
more ice cream
another cone
a drip tray
the table the machine is on
the floor
the concrete layer
dirt
crust
upper mantle
mantle
outer core
inner core
god

a hoy hoy, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link

The ice cream looked like poop.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:23 (twelve years ago) link

One thing I think a lot of people are missing is that this ep wasn't supposed to be some big comeback or anything, it's just the next one in the queue. It was probably all put together before the hiatus and was supposed to run in January. As January shows go, it was very January indeed.

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link

last night I was all 'yay community's back'
I show up itt to be all 'omg you guys it's back yay' only to find it barely alive and vivisected
just like old times
love you guys so much

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link

god the problem here is that people actually listen to dan harmon when he talks. he's a stupid person who is apparently obsessed with character development and themes and circle formulas, and he never stops talking about them so everyone comes to expect those areas of the show to be strong points, and they aren't. the show fails there, but it doesn't matter because the show itself does not care about those things, it cares about funny jokes and clever concepts and "worldbuilding", and that's all it needs to be good at. because it's a sitcom! todd vanderwerff can write way too many words about how brilliant the writers are with each character's growth, but everyone knows that that shit doesn't actually resonate and it's not why the show succeeds.

if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:03 (twelve years ago) link

that is true, except for where it is false

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:08 (twelve years ago) link

Holy shit, they did REALLY well in the ratings bcuz Big Bang Theory wasn't on: a 2.2 in the demo!

an electronic plaque of Abraham Lincoln's assassination (reddening), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:15 (twelve years ago) link

literally two minutes later...

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link

hey. dan's not stupid

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:17 (twelve years ago) link

thank you!

oh, wait...

;_;

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

Anyone who thinks Dan Harmon is a stupid showrunner deserves awful television forever.

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:30 (twelve years ago) link

Funniness aside (I liked it & laughed throughout, but sure there have been better episodes), this ep was surprisingly accessible -- a nice comfy sitcom plot and then a kind of "taster" for each character's comedic strengths. NBC's been doing good promotion for the show for the last two weeks, so I think it was a good ep for potential new viewers to catch. That's enough to suppress my inner urge to worry about whether or not the show's in its prime/better than Parks and Rec or whatever.

an electronic plaque of Abraham Lincoln's assassination (reddening), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:33 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.tvline.com/2012/03/ratings-missing-premiere-community/#more-311765

NBC’s Community returned from its too-long hiatus to 4.9 million total viewers and a demo rating of 2.2, delivering increases of 36 and 47 percent over the comedy’s most recent outing (on Dec. 8 ) and a 14-month, non-sports time slot demo high for NBC.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 16 March 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link

i'm interested to hear from some of the big proponents of the show (afaict, deric and vegemitegrrl in particular) if you see any weaknesses/flaws in this show. i promise i am not going to be a dick about your responses, i am just curious.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:43 (twelve years ago) link

The biggest flaw/weakness is that there are too many main characters.

You see some of the same type of character bloat/water-treading in BBT these days, where now that they have seven characters to revolve around, it seems like someone is likely to get shafted in a given episode (ironically for BBT, the character this has been happening to the most often is... Leonard, although Raj is a close second in that he's already at a disadvantage because he was secondary from the get-go and now he's the only one not in a couple).

Community has similar issues juggling all of its characters and making sure they all get their due, although it does a better job of doling out storylines around the group in order so the level of neglect isn't as high; still, you had Shirley receding into the background up until last season's mixology episode where she got a strong B-story that brought her out as more than just "the two-faced Christian one". (The foosball episode that rekindled the Shirley/Jeff pairing also helped tremendously.)

Aside from that, I think it's a dependably reliable situation comedy with unmistakable flashes of brilliance and one of the better ensemble casts currently on prime-time television; oftentimes I think the cast chemistry elevates the scripts.

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:56 (twelve years ago) link

^ otm, especially re: character juggling. Chang seems to be awkwardly shoehorned into Wacky Situations this season. The whole security guard thing isn't hitting for me, and much of it seems forced. I vastly preferred it when he was a snarky dick who hated his job, and elevated scenes with little more than an "Aww, snap!"; now he's a snarkless dick who aspires to do well at his job.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:03 (twelve years ago) link

ugh this thread. (not everyone, or even anyone specific, mind)

fwiw this episode was supposed to be two or three episodes later, they just moved it back for this "premiere" i guess in the hopes of giving everyone the best rundown of "what it's all about/who everyone is" for potential new viewers. will drop back down when BBT comes back obv but it can lose probably 30% in the demo and be safe imo.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:06 (twelve years ago) link

(in some ways BBT is in a worse spot because it seems like they are only ever willing to make big paradigm shifts in character relationships at the end of the season, so they introduce all of these scenarios/situations with a lot of potential for long-term lols and then hit the reset button and fall back on making Penny sing "Soft Kitty" again)

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

xp i don't think dan harmon is a bad showrunner and i think he's a very funny person, just that the show works fine without succeeding in all the areas he spends all his time talking about. and i find him annoying and stupid but that's more of a personal qualm i guess.

if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:12 (twelve years ago) link

I know it's stupid but I'm kind of worried that there will now be Chuck-levels of Subway plugs. Or am I just being paranoid?

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

product placement in comedies isn't nearly as bothersome w/ comedies as with dramas because it just gives them a lot of chances to make apologetic jokes about it

some dude, Friday, 16 March 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

the Subway plugs on Chuck consistently cracked me up, they were so blatant

then I think about how a subsection of this board talks about Subway and I crack up again

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:37 (twelve years ago) link

to be fair I got so annoyed with Chuck before I gave up on it completely that the Subway stuff just got on my nerves.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:41 (twelve years ago) link

Subway didn't come off well in last night's episode, though, crushing Shirley's dreams and all. I was actually surprised that they paid for the placement.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i laughed pretty hard when i thought about Subway references on "Community" re: ilx

some dude, Friday, 16 March 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link

'Ironic' plugging is one of the most annoying things ever.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

I still lol at the 30 Rock Snapple thing from the 4th or 5th episode. Or at least Baldwin's turn to the side "God knows I do."

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link

'Ironic' plugging is one of the most annoying things ever.

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, March 16, 2012 4:56 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if they JUST do it with a bet-hedging wink it's lame, but i think it can be done well if the joke goes a little further than that (30 Rock, Wayne's World, etc.)

some dude, Friday, 16 March 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link

the thing that killed me about Chuck was how it just seemed like overnight all of the characters just started eating Subway 24/7

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Friday, 16 March 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link

lol subway

Lamp, Friday, 16 March 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link

You know, now that community actual had a great ratings night, I'd rather this show get huge, bloated and weak through six seasons and a movie, than just have its door shut after three underappreciated seasons. We already have an Arrested Development. I'm actually kind of curious what lengths would be taken to keep these folks together after four years of community college.

da croupier, Friday, 16 March 2012 21:11 (twelve years ago) link

i never knew bbt wasn't on. makes sense they went with that episode and i'm happy to see a big ratings boost.

a hoy hoy, Friday, 16 March 2012 21:40 (twelve years ago) link

ditto

also i was fine with the episode. i actually want to see more shirley episodes! malcolm jamal warner was great!

Nhex, Friday, 16 March 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

Loved the marriage proposal dance/song etc

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 March 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link

My two fave deliveries last night were "That's me!" and "Walk away, man."

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Friday, 16 March 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/syndication-community-comedy-central-the-middle-hallmark-300123

Comedy Central has good news for Greendale fans.

The cable network has picked up syndication rights to NBC's Dan Harmon cult comedy Community, the network announced Wednesday, inking a multiyear deal with the studio behind the Joel McHale-starrer, Sony Pictures Television.

The series, which returns Thursday to NBC after being left off its midseason schedule, will launch repeats of the first three seasons of the series beginning in the fall of 2013.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 16 March 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link

Livin the dream

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 16 March 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link

not as good as proper syndication but maybe it will get there.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 16 March 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link

Really good episode last night. I really liked "Shirley's sexy voice", Abed + groom interactions, ice cream cone finale and the Linbergh Lean.

Chang is gonna die in one of the first two episodes (since this was supposed to be the third one and he wasn't there).

monkeys on the ceiling fan, ceiling fan (CaptainLorax), Friday, 16 March 2012 22:46 (twelve years ago) link

My two fave deliveries last night were "That's me!" and "Walk away, man."

"I'll allow it."

if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Saturday, 17 March 2012 00:27 (twelve years ago) link

MJW flawlessly falling in step with the singing trio in between portions of his speech was classique

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Saturday, 17 March 2012 01:12 (twelve years ago) link

^^^

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 17 March 2012 02:05 (twelve years ago) link

This thread became really depressing. Thanks, Lamp.

President Keyes, Saturday, 17 March 2012 02:21 (twelve years ago) link

does lamp ruin everything?

mookieproof, Saturday, 17 March 2012 02:30 (twelve years ago) link

I don't know, I think lamp really tie room together.

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 17 March 2012 03:54 (twelve years ago) link

god the problem here is that people actually listen to dan harmon when he talks. he's a stupid person who is apparently obsessed with character development and themes and circle formulas, and he never stops talking about them so everyone comes to expect those areas of the show to be strong points, and they aren't. the show fails there, but it doesn't matter because the show itself does not care about those things, it cares about funny jokes and clever concepts and "worldbuilding", and that's all it needs to be good at. because it's a sitcom! todd vanderwerff can write way too many words about how brilliant the writers are with each character's growth, but everyone knows that that shit doesn't actually resonate and it's not why the show succeeds.

i am completely behind this. not a single moment of his show has "resonated emotionally" for me, i could give a shit about character growth etc. just bring the outlandish humor and i'm cool.

it's like ambitious creators of sitcoms suffer through this inferiority complex and have to prove that their shows are Great Drama in addition to being funny.

NB: it is hard to be funny. if you do it really well, that is an accomplishment.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 17 March 2012 05:25 (twelve years ago) link

also the highlight of this episode was troy's double take at seeing the monkey, at the very end.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 17 March 2012 05:27 (twelve years ago) link

people should strive to do more imo

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 17 March 2012 05:30 (twelve years ago) link

like, Louie is really funny, but it's the emotional resonance that gives me the feeling of watching a great episode. I think Community can hit the mark emotionally on occasion, but not all the time. I like being blindsided by something genuinely affecting though.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 17 March 2012 05:31 (twelve years ago) link

"more"

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 17 March 2012 06:39 (twelve years ago) link

"...Jim Rash, who plays the bent Dean Pelton on the show. "

Um what

― kinder, Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:48 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark

um what um what

― some dude, Thursday, 15 March 2012 18:56 (Yesterday) Bookmark

"Bent" is derogatory slang for "gay" fyi

kinder, Saturday, 17 March 2012 06:41 (twelve years ago) link

xp ya rly, community does plenty to justify the love it gets. it doesn't need to expend all its energy on hardcore character development and thematic consistency when most dramas can't even get that stuff right.

it's very easy to make me weep but i don't think community has ever once hit me emotionally. it's too far up its own universe and the characters and dialogue are too detached from the way anything works in real life. episode-specific plot points can be effective but never macro-level stuff. the show just doesn't excel on that level (and it doesn't have to). louie does things differently, but can you really compare any other sitcom to louie?

if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Saturday, 17 March 2012 06:54 (twelve years ago) link

it just seems like people (including dan harmon) don't know what they've got and want it to be something else. i mean sure there are sitcoms that are very touching at times--i'm a huge TAXI fan for example. but shows like that wear it lightly. community often seems to stop dead for a "metafictional" moment where the characters assess their relationships to one another and i find that incredibly tedious.

i dunno would you want, say, a film by buster keaton to have more psychology and character development? no, because those things have nothing to do with why keaton is so great.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 17 March 2012 07:17 (twelve years ago) link

although to be honest this is big reason why i watch this show:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CReZH07_8uo/TiCZfjQ7M8I/AAAAAAAAZAA/rBYfgbo2_CQ/s1600/Alison%2BBrie11.jpg

what a cutie.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 17 March 2012 07:18 (twelve years ago) link

cue somebody saying "two big reasons"

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 17 March 2012 07:18 (twelve years ago) link

i think arrested development is a good comparison, assuming no one here hates the show/its cult. AD was occasionally touching, maybe for half a second at a time, but it was never intended to be emotionally affecting on the whole. the writers knew what the show was and they didn't shoot for that other level. and thinking back on it, it was sort of unwittingly touching in its own way, but that wouldn't have happened if they were sweating it like harmon does.

if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Saturday, 17 March 2012 07:32 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't get that emotional touching vibe from Arrested Development at all. Those moments never felt genuine because there was (brace yourself) no real growth that came out of it. They were almost always immediately undercut by someone acting horrid and selfish.

If you don't think the emotional stuff on Community works than you know, ymmv, but I think they pull it off reasonably well (ok, the development better than the emotional).

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 17 March 2012 07:45 (twelve years ago) link

e.g. troy coming home from the bar on his birthday.

j., Saturday, 17 March 2012 07:55 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, that's probably my favourite of the character development stuff.

In general I don't think Harmon forces it as much as amateurist makes out, but that's a ymmv thing. For the most part I think the actions of the characters make sense as they progress, and I think that's what he finds most important. He has little interest in a total reset.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 17 March 2012 07:57 (twelve years ago) link

Finally watched the last episode. Not the one I'd put on if trying to PROVE the glory of the show but still funny and full of great moments. Favorite might have been Troy and Abed's interactions with MJW.

da croupier, Saturday, 17 March 2012 12:05 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah this was not out of the top drawer but still very funny. Pierce's security device, "http colon forward slash forward slash", the fact that Shirley's husband clearly hates the study group, most of the Jeff and Britta stuff. Thought the Troy and Abed material missed the mark (except ivory wig in the Dreamatorium) but otherwise but otherwise I laughed most of the way through.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Saturday, 17 March 2012 12:11 (twelve years ago) link

chevy chase was really good

welcome back community! i promise not to argue about you on the internet like you were something of greater import than a situation comedy on the television

thomp, Saturday, 17 March 2012 12:42 (twelve years ago) link

Dear some of the people in this thread: might I recommend The Big Bang Theory, a sitcom which CBS airs in the same time slot as Community? You might find it more to your liking, as you're sure to find even more to complain about.

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 17 March 2012 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

The trouble with this episode is that I don't really care about Shirley's marriage.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 17 March 2012 15:08 (twelve years ago) link

It's also 100% unbelievable, like OK this guy that goes out of his way to propose marriage and even accepts doing it in an effing community college study room, he suddenly switches to misogynist about to cancel the whole deal when she's late for the rehearsal. It reminded me of late-series Seinfelds where one character would just suddenly turn really angry at another for no real reason. Except there it was for Lols.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 17 March 2012 15:16 (twelve years ago) link

The resolution felt a little unearned too. He changed his attitude but there didn't seem to be enough to explain why/how. Some good laughs but not a great Community episode.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 17 March 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link

i cant tell if this show has gotten steadily worse all season or if i'm just tired of it... last night didnt really do it for me :(

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 17 March 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't get that emotional touching vibe from Arrested Development at all. Those moments never felt genuine because there was (brace yourself) no real growth that came out of it. They were almost always immediately undercut by someone acting horrid and selfish.

yes, because i'm not talking about forced emotional moments or anything, i'm talking about a very general sense of it. it didn't aim for emotional payoff moments because it knew what it was, but it still succeeded in having a sort of warm vibe, in retrospect, because it was still about a family sticking together etc etc. lord, if the characters ever tried to "grow" on that show it would've been awful. i'm trying to say that these values aren't prerequisites for good comedy and they shouldn't be seen as such because then we get delusional showrunners trying to force then into shows where they don't fit. i'd rather have sitcoms like these have things like character development and emotional moments be the subtle consequences of the action/humor rather than consciously sticking them into episodes where they come off unnatural and forced. with community it's never like ~~swelling music starts to play~~ but like, the annie+troy scene at the end of mixology certification just made me go "where tf did this come from and why is it even here" rather than OMG SO BRILLIANT like everyone else apparently.

if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Saturday, 17 March 2012 21:48 (twelve years ago) link

then = them

if you ever leave me peggy, leave some propane at my door (zachlyon), Saturday, 17 March 2012 21:48 (twelve years ago) link

the great thing about AD is how they undermined any sense of character growth at every turn, wilfully and joyfully

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 17 March 2012 22:42 (twelve years ago) link

cosigned

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 17 March 2012 22:44 (twelve years ago) link

I'm one of the Steppenwolf wives

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Sunday, 18 March 2012 02:48 (twelve years ago) link

lol

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 18 March 2012 03:14 (twelve years ago) link

i'm not in the show for the drama either, but is anyone still watching at this point and completely uninvested in troy and abed's friendship, annie's growth/relationship with jeff, shirley rebuilding her marriage, etc. the core theme of everyone being a washout in life and redeeming themselves IS a core theme of the show

Nhex, Sunday, 18 March 2012 04:02 (twelve years ago) link

core theme core theme

Nhex, Sunday, 18 March 2012 04:03 (twelve years ago) link

Nope

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 18 March 2012 06:55 (twelve years ago) link

pick a number, dick, it's not like it's up to me anyway

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 18 March 2012 15:00 (twelve years ago) link

Let's just everybody chill, and groove on some Haggins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXvuUp-KY5g

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 18 March 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

chuckled when annie walked into the room humming that

Nhex, Sunday, 18 March 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

chevy chase was really good

― thomp, Saturday, March 17, 2012 8:42 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

otm

some dude, Sunday, 18 March 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link

i cant tell if this show has gotten steadily worse all season or if i'm just tired of it... last night didnt really do it for me :(

― A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 17 March 2012 11:55 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i thought the episode was OK & i've been repulsed by most of the episodes in the first half of the season. feel like they're going for a more positive vibe but one that's also more mellow, the pace of jokes is slowing down and the whole thing feels pleasant & comforting the way a normal sitcom does. nothing made me cringe this episode

flopson, Sunday, 18 March 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link

inspector space-time once married a baby-version of himself

flopson, Sunday, 18 March 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link

^ i lol'd

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 18 March 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link

how dare you lol don't you know this sitcom is the worst

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 18 March 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

upon rewatching, that particular Inspector Spacetime gag made me realize that the entire series is lazy and awful and all of my previous laughs were lies.

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 18 March 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

Currently lunching at a dive bar and somebody just put on an R&B track on the jukebox which sounds suspiciously like a barely masked "Daybreak"

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Sunday, 18 March 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link

Every time T&A make an Inspector Spacetime joke, I picture internet heads exploding the way they did when someone on Lost said "Hanso."

President Keyes, Sunday, 18 March 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link

not sure i have thought any of the inspector spacetime gags seemed well-advised, let alone funny

j., Monday, 19 March 2012 01:57 (twelve years ago) link

i wish they'd just do their dream inspector spacetime ep and get it all out of their system

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 01:58 (twelve years ago) link

making fun of doctor who > making fun of robocop tho

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago) link

kickpuncher is funny because his punches have the power of kicks. the robocop thing is just a little extra.

j., Monday, 19 March 2012 02:05 (twelve years ago) link

o yeah it's funny but as but as parody dr who is such a better target

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 02:06 (twelve years ago) link

ah you mean as a law of comedy

j., Monday, 19 March 2012 02:07 (twelve years ago) link

i dunno. it seems like doctor who is already intrinsically goofy. robocop has that seriousness to it.

j., Monday, 19 March 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago) link

Where does said law fit on the Universal Comedy Meter, please?

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 19 March 2012 02:08 (twelve years ago) link

robocop is great but more intrinsically goofy to me bc of its 80s campiness/verhoeven campiness

i don't actually watch dr who but i do have a tumblr so

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 02:12 (twelve years ago) link

ppl are fucking life and death abt that show

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 02:13 (twelve years ago) link

after all this time, it's still impressive how ilx can drain the fun from anything at all

mookieproof, Monday, 19 March 2012 02:14 (twelve years ago) link

let's discuss that

j., Monday, 19 March 2012 02:15 (twelve years ago) link

i say that to myself about a lot of things before thinking "maybe if i don't want to read a discussion about this thing i shouldn't be going to places where it's going to be discussed"

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 02:16 (twelve years ago) link

ppl are fucking life and death abt this show

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 19 March 2012 02:17 (twelve years ago) link

i would watch a three episode inspector spacetime arc with great joy, but only if they never mentioned it again

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 19 March 2012 02:26 (twelve years ago) link

your favorite things and why they suck, coming up on ilx

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 March 2012 02:28 (twelve years ago) link

It's important to give good things a dressing down when they aren't perfect, I find.

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 19 March 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago) link

The Inspector Spacetime-knockoff webseries Kickstarter is still active, btw.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1878253293/inspector-spacetime-the-webseries

Almost to their goal

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Monday, 19 March 2012 06:35 (twelve years ago) link

after all this time, it's still impressive how ilx can drain the fun from anything at all

it's called a raison d'être, fella

Bo Jackson Overture (King Boy Pato), Monday, 19 March 2012 07:54 (twelve years ago) link

after all this time, it's still impressive how ilx can drain the fun from anything at all

― mookieproof, Sunday, March 18, 2012 10:14 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if u really, truly, like something, don't talk about it on ilx.

anyway now that i am caught up i can say this was pretty good by season 3 standards which means it wasn't really that good.

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 01:16 (twelve years ago) link

haha i'm hardly a community stan -- i was honestly still amazed, after nine years, at ilx's ability to kill fun.

i mean srsly -- it's a fucking american network sitcom! ppl are complaining about character development vs. world building vs. consistency vs. whatever. i don't care if ppl dislike it, just don't act like it's this huge life disappointment or something.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago) link

sub-Godard. worst episode ever.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 01:30 (twelve years ago) link

only sub-custos counts

mookieproof, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 01:31 (twelve years ago) link

in all srsness though it was a quality episode, but as others have said, not "the" episode I'd look to as evidence that the show was amazing. but it still brought the lols (/chaki)

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago) link

Brit was the hero of that ep.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 02:12 (twelve years ago) link

oh yeah by far

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 02:14 (twelve years ago) link

give a man big enough straw & he can suck the fun out of anything, even message board posts bemoaning the fun sucked out of other message board posts

flopson, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 03:21 (twelve years ago) link

i like talking about things i like

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 04:00 (twelve years ago) link

sry

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 04:00 (twelve years ago) link

ilx = Pierce

President Keyes, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 09:24 (twelve years ago) link

ilx = Britta

s.clover, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 13:12 (twelve years ago) link

Am I the only one who sees lots of "Seinfeld" parallels in this show?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 13:12 (twelve years ago) link

i think so, yeah, i can't think of anything offhand more specific than 'funny nbc show'

some dude, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 13:18 (twelve years ago) link

in this post-seinfeldian tvscape etc etc

Mordy, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 13:23 (twelve years ago) link

Also shows about nothing (really). Lots of surreal subplots, often hinging on infantile, selfish behavior. Troy and Abed=Kramer. Jeff is Jerry. Chevy Chase is George-ish.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:11 (twelve years ago) link

nottttt really

catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:13 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, not at all

some dude, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:13 (twelve years ago) link

Not at all? That's the vibe I'm totally getting. Thinking stuff like drugging a girlfriend to play with her toys is something this show would do and only this show.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:15 (twelve years ago) link

Not saying this is by design, mind. I'm just getting Seinfeld vibes in season 3.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:15 (twelve years ago) link

I think all of the Seinfeld characters are a lot colder than anyone on Community.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:16 (twelve years ago) link

I think Seinfeld is way more nihilistic

Mordy, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:16 (twelve years ago) link

Think it's the combination of selfishness and surrealism on display each week. I dunno. I think the characters on Community are pretty cold, personally. They're all kind of robots, and even when there are glimmers of heart it feels kind of tacked on, because we know these people can't change. Like the S3 season where Britta suspects someone is homicidal, and it's perfectly plausible that any one of the group can be the crazy one.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:18 (twelve years ago) link

Now, I, personally, feel more affection for the Community crew than the Seinfeld folks, but they're still a bunch of self-involved loons.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:18 (twelve years ago) link

selfishness and surrealism is like the template for half of all post-Seinfeld sitcoms

some dude, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:18 (twelve years ago) link

I could not disagree more, but w/e. xp

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:21 (twelve years ago) link

I was going to rebut this but I had a flashback to "Bring it in for a breast bump, ladies! ...No? We'll get there!" and am too busy lolling.

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:21 (twelve years ago) link

I agree with you, some dude. Not saying the shows are identical.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:22 (twelve years ago) link

I think Seinfeld is way more nihilistic

http://www.alixspence.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/The-Big-Lebowski_Busby_Peter-Stormare_hood.bmp1_.jpeg

ya, is a show about nussingk.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:23 (twelve years ago) link

yeah but i'm saying the parallels are so broad as to be meaningless. i would say one of Community's greatest triumphs is that it's one of the the only sitcoms of the past 15 years not about a family household or workplace that never particularly reminds me of Seinfeld or Friends. (xpost)

some dude, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:25 (twelve years ago) link

Community may as well be about a family household or workplace, come on.

I can imagine the Community series finale exactly the same as the Seinfeld series finale. Which is more than I can say for Big Bang Theory or How I Met Your Mother or whatever.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:26 (twelve years ago) link

It's sure as hell not about community college!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:26 (twelve years ago) link

doing the Seinfeld finale is not a good thing!

some dude, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:28 (twelve years ago) link

Not at all! Just saying these characters would fit that mold pretty easily.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:29 (twelve years ago) link

I disagree. I think that's a shallow assessment of these characters.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:33 (twelve years ago) link

when people say things like "It's sure as hell not about community college!" I really wonder if they're watching the same show as I am

I mean, the show is doing all sorts of goofy hyper-aware stylistic things but the core of the stories always go back to the school and how these characters are changing as a result of their experiences there and with each other. The school setting is what brought them all together and is the main thing keeping them together.

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link

The only episodes I'd say were REALLY disconnected from the school are these two third season episodes:

Remedial Chaos Theory
Studies in Modern Movement

Everything else is either centered around the school or initiated by the school, and even with those two you have the argument that the shuffling of living accommodations from year to year by the younger characters with fewer roots is still something that's tied pretty closely to the experience of being a post-high school student.

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 14:42 (twelve years ago) link

it's a fucking american network sitcom! ppl are complaining about character development vs. world building vs. consistency vs. whatever

I think it works really well as a fucking american network sitcom, and that's the big strength and the only issues you run into is when all the second sentence stuff is held up as the big reasons to watch. Rather than the jokes. It's fun to poke holes in character dev., world building, consistency, etc. because that stuff is pretentious and it's mostly being projected onto a show that has a real strength in just being funny.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

I wouldn't call it pretentious. Community isn't making a plea to the audience to Save the Children or insisting THIS IS HOW THE WORLD SHOULD BE, say, Aaron Sorkin-style. Lots of great comedies have these things, and they shouldn't be ashamed to shoot for them, otherwise all we'll get is Chuck Lorre sitcoms.

But I think this show is already surprisingly successful in this regard, so what do I know

Nhex, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link

agree with Some Dude

flopson, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:16 (twelve years ago) link

I'm kinda with mookie here...I love the show, I get a great amount of enjoyment out of it but I've never thought of it in terms of anything beyond Parks & Rec. I mean, sure Harmon throws in a meta episode every now and then and the jokes seem somehow 'more clever' but I would never have thought it worthy of the kind of excavation that's happening itt

Not that the excavators are ill-advised, I just do not have the energy to pull apart something I find funny. cf: comedy voting thread. I like talking about what other ppl find funny, but when you get into why it isn't, and why it doesn't work, and all that it's like pffflt *balloon deflating*

fun things = fun conversation, imo. which probably makes me super twee airhead person but whatever.

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:10 (twelve years ago) link

when people say things like "It's sure as hell not about community college!" I really wonder if they're watching the same show as I am

OTM. Unlike most shows in a scholastic setting, this show even actually spends a fair amount of time on the school part of school: there have been many episodes in classroom settings, dealing with homework, etc from the very beginning.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:54 (twelve years ago) link

in a scholastic setting

Actually, I should say "shows about students".

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:54 (twelve years ago) link

And this is nothing like Seinfeld, come on! It has to be one of the most sentimental sitcoms in ages! How could anyone not see character development? Look at how much Jeff's character has softened, how much Annie has grown, the real closeness of Troy's and Abed's friendship. Seinfeld would never spend an entire episode creating a stop-motion world just to explore one character's subconscious trauma caused by his Mum not coming home for Christmas.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago) link

Yeaaaaaah...Josh is about as OffTM about this show as possible. To the extent that I'd argue that Community (which is at least in part about the importance of, uh, community and conflict resolution and growth) is in some ways the polar opposite of Seinfeld (which celebrated selfishness and solipsism and eternal adolescence). Yeah, there are displays of selfishness and antisocial behavior in both shows, but their function and the way they're handled are completely different. And, tonally, they're just such different creatures.

Soggy Cheeseburgers (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:57 (twelve years ago) link

Whatevs. Different strokes, etc. Regardless, I love "Community."

when people say things like "It's sure as hell not about community college!" I really wonder if they're watching the same show as I am

This is nonsense. That's like saying "Parks and Recreation" is about small town governance and civil service. One of the many things I love about this show is that it doesn't even pretend to be about where it is set. They don't study (which is part of the joke). No one graduates (which is part of the joke). The classes are jokes (which is part of the joke). Anyone who watched this show wouldn't learn a damn thing about community college. It's this surreal idea of community college which is, again, part of the joke. And it's a funny joke.

Not sure that I buy that "Community" is about conflict resolution. If anything, it's about pretending to resolve conflicts while simmering undercurrents of tension and general insanity generally go unaddressed or get pushed aside. Which is, yes, part of the joke.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:41 (twelve years ago) link

I think you might be watching another show, not Community

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:47 (twelve years ago) link

is it The View?

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:48 (twelve years ago) link

It's about a bunch of diverse women sitting at a table yelling at each other, with guest stars. Is that "Community?"

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:51 (twelve years ago) link

No one graduates (which is part of the joke).

apparently this is a community college that gives bachelor's degrees (i've never heard of such a creature but dan harmon INSISTS) so they've got four years to play with.

an electronic plaque of Abraham Lincoln's assassination (reddening), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:54 (twelve years ago) link

But there has never been a graduation ceremony! And none of the featured players have left yet, either!

(I'm still talking about "The View." Right?)

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:58 (twelve years ago) link

Community has only been running for two and a half years, not more-than-four. Are you thinking of Spooks? Featured players have left that.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:32 (twelve years ago) link

But they're on their third year, right? And no one has left. Not Starburns, not Leonard, not weird funny-talking nerd dude, not any of the other major players.

Maybe Fat Neil graduated?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:48 (twelve years ago) link

other similarities between Seinfeld and Community:

The gang in Community sits at a table for large portions of each episode.

fairly sure i saw a table in many episodes of Seinfeld!

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:51 (twelve years ago) link

OK, this show is not about community college in any remotely realistic way, I'll give you that.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:54 (twelve years ago) link

But I mean, they do study, to varying degrees (Annie more than Jeff, for instance). Jeff and Pierce stayed up to finish a Spanish class presentation in one of the earliest episodes.

apparently this is a community college that gives bachelor's degrees (i've never heard of such a creature but dan harmon INSISTS)

Ha, I'd just been kind of assuming that maybe this is a thing in the US, where all post-secondary education is "college" anyway.:P

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 04:24 (twelve years ago) link

"one of the earliest episodes" tho

hard to say that the show in its current iteration (what class are they taking, again?) is ABOUT community college. it just uses the college as a setting and inspiration for plots/joeks. but it's become arbitrary imo, as much as any sitcom that doesn't take place in a suburban home.

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 04:37 (twelve years ago) link

Exactly. Hardly any sitcom centered around a particular location/workplace (e.g. Cheers, NewsRadio, et al) is really about that location/workplace in any meaningful way.

Sam Handwiches (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 04:42 (twelve years ago) link

can i just say, i suspect that 'an analogy is a thought wearing another thought's hat' is a secret decoder ring for the last episode (and probably the whole show). even though it comes from britta. but i cannot prove it yet.

j., Wednesday, 21 March 2012 04:49 (twelve years ago) link

L O S T

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 04:55 (twelve years ago) link

OK, I'll admit that my perspective is probably swayed by watching the s1 DVDs a lot since getting them for Christmas. The show really was about a community college study group and their classes and teachers at that point. In fact, I think that losing that element may be part of why much of the current seasons feels a bit off to me. (On the other hand, that could be bullshit because some of my favourite s3 episodes - Chaos Theory, Documentary Film - are the least college-y and I hated the 'Todd' episode which actually was all about a class project.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 05:05 (twelve years ago) link

"Current season", of course. S2 was the pinnacle. And, to be clear, about half of s3 has been as good.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 05:06 (twelve years ago) link

Why would people in the same class graduate before other people in that class? "Fat Neil is graduating! Despite only being here for 2 years, he just did really well in Spanish 101!"

a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 07:55 (twelve years ago) link

it's a fucking american network sitcom! ppl are complaining about character development vs. world building vs. consistency vs. whatever

this reminds me of the bro across the hallway from me my first year in college. he was listening to mobb deep, and i came in. while we were talking, i noted that i liked the production on the record. he gave me a screwed-up look and said, "'production'? who cares about 'production'?! it's just rap, dude."

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 09:56 (twelve years ago) link

ahahahaha

thomp, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 10:19 (twelve years ago) link

sonned by rap bro

thomp, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 10:20 (twelve years ago) link

hard to say that the show in its current iteration (what class are they taking, again?) is ABOUT community college. it just uses the college as a setting and inspiration for plots/joeks.

... You realize your criticism boils down to "'Community' is a television show", right

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 13:47 (twelve years ago) link

my cable package comes w/ some closed circuit University of Maryland programming, ever since i discovered the video brochure they air every day at 7pm i haven't felt the need to watch "Community" anymore

some dude, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 13:58 (twelve years ago) link

sonned by rap bro

― thomp, Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:20 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i suppose, but my point is more that production, to a great extent, _is_ rap. it's one thing to say you don't care, another to say it doesn't matter.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 14:33 (twelve years ago) link

Why would people in the same class graduate before other people in that class?

Standing in the same room/hallway is not the same thing as being in the same graduating class. I assume some people at Greendale are just taking classes for the hell of it (Leonard, Pierce). Others have a goal in mind: ostensibly Jeff, Annie, um ...

Speaking of weird continuity sort of hiccups: wasn't there an ep early on where Jeff is sleeping in his car because he can't afford his rent anymore? Why was Jeff poor for just that one episode?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 14:53 (twelve years ago) link

just fyi, not remembering what happened != continuity hiccup. that episode was about jeff moving out of his car (he briefly moves into the dorms and finally gets his shit together and gets an apartment iirc).

Mordy, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 15:02 (twelve years ago) link

omg this thread is going to kill my appreciation for this show more than anything else anywhere ever. you guys are turning out worse than a/v club commenters at this point.

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 15:05 (twelve years ago) link

I remember pretty well. I remember him not being able to afford an apartment and then being able to afford an apartment. Maybe he lives around the corner from Dildopolis?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

xpost Oh, come on. I love this show. It's one of my favorite shows of all time. Seriously.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago) link

Come to think of it, where/how people are living has been a pretty constant subplot. Chang, Jeff, Annie, Troy and Abed. We don't know where Britta lives, do we? And I'm surprised we haven't seen Pierce Manor, let alone got to see Pierce and Troy living together.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 15:08 (twelve years ago) link

the problem is with the analyzing to death itt, not that you enjoy it. i love it too, but jfc you guys, slow down.

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 15:09 (twelve years ago) link

We don't know where Britta lives, do we?

She defensively and proudly retorted to her and Jeff's teenage tormentors that she lives in a studio apartment in season one's "The Art of Discourse."

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 15:17 (twelve years ago) link

To be honest, I'm more concerned with what the characters are eating. Do we know for sure that they're getting three squares a day? Abed is looking awfully skinny, and I know I haven't seen him eat much protein in recent eps.

Sam Handwiches (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago) link

Jeff couldn't afford payments on his condo mortgage, I thought? The resolution was for him to let it go and rent a (much cheaper) apartment instead.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link

^^^ OTM

thuggish ruggish Brahms (DJP), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:08 (twelve years ago) link

I think it's really a failing of the series that we haven't met Jeff's landlord yet. We don't even know if he's wacky or gruff or anything. This show is the worst.

Sam Handwiches (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:12 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, they could be sitting on another Mr. Furley!

nickn, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:17 (twelve years ago) link

I think Harmon said that they realised that Pierce and Troy living together just wouldn't be that funny so quietly let it sit in the background.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link

wasn't there a brief clip of them living together, though, in the first ep of s1 or s2?

brokering (pimping) (stevie), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link

please, people, let's make this thread fun again by limiting it only to quotes from the show and blind glowing praise

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:45 (twelve years ago) link

oh good, just what this thread needed. more smug snarky judgmental comments </smugsnarkyjudgmental>

Mordy, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:47 (twelve years ago) link

Guys, I just realized...we are behaving exactly like the cast of NBC's hit comedy Community right now.

Sam Handwiches (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

I'm such an Abed.

Sam Handwiches (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

you're such a miranda

Mordy, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link

why is that highly educated looking young fellow sucking all the fun out of a glass of water, shouldn't he be sucking all the fun out of a discussion of an american television sitcom or something?

j., Wednesday, 21 March 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link

It shows the fun being sucked into ILX; highly inaccurate

kinder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 17:35 (twelve years ago) link

I am fine reading people's negative reactions to this show but reading long dissertations in which cynical viewers try to pinpoint the exact reasons why community isn't always above average is soooo penile

monkeys on the ceiling fan, ceiling fan (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link

... You realize your criticism boils down to "'Community' is a television show", right

it... wasn't a criticism

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link

is soooo penile

― monkeys on the ceiling fan, ceiling fan (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:49 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

. . .

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link

'Of or relating to a penis; see also: cocklike, wangish.' Sounds about right to me.

Sam Handwiches (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

This damn fun-felching takes up too much time

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link

Anyone else notice that the show is called "Community" because it's set at a community college ... but that the title also refers to our beloved cohort? Huh?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

Penile is my new catch phrase. I'm trying to expand it's context to just about everything and everyone

monkeys on the ceiling fan, ceiling fan (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link

it's also a river in egypt iirc

internet somebody (some dude), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

ew

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRcaPTTkXqY

hmmm...so we have reassuring visual evidence that everyone is indeed living indoors, but that shot of britta sleeping at the end doesn't look like any studio apartment I'VE ever seen! someone tweet dan harmon and browbeat him for sloppiness

an electronic plaque of Abraham Lincoln's assassination (reddening), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link

^^^THAT's the scene with troy living at pierce's i was thinking about.

brokering (pimping) (stevie), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 23:45 (twelve years ago) link

I think Harmon said that they realised that Pierce and Troy living together just wouldn't be that funny so quietly let it sit in the background.

They lived together mostly between S1 and S2, and it was chronicled, during the non-broadcast months, by Harmon on @oldwhiteguysays

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 23:53 (twelve years ago) link

On the whole, this show seems remarkably thorough and consistent. I'm usually very annoyed by holes or logical gaps.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 22 March 2012 00:00 (twelve years ago) link

consistent

(in its logic, not always in quality)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 22 March 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link

Can we Google-proof this thread? Because I feel that, if he were to stumble upon it accidentally, Dan Harmon would probably just stop making things for people altogether.

Sam Handwiches (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 22 March 2012 00:11 (twelve years ago) link

you think this is the only place on the internet that is overthinking this show?

internet somebody (some dude), Thursday, 22 March 2012 00:42 (twelve years ago) link

Absolutely. The rest of the internet is renowned for its levelheaded appreciation for things that are better than most other things. And also for its sense of equality and social justice.

Sam Handwiches (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 22 March 2012 01:01 (twelve years ago) link

just a heads up, your relentless sarcasm is actually creeping into the top 10 worst things about this thread

internet somebody (some dude), Thursday, 22 March 2012 01:06 (twelve years ago) link

can we poll that?

phantompenguin, Thursday, 22 March 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago) link

Jokes, some dude, not sarcasm. The difference is all in the vocal inflect...ohhhhhh, riiiiiiiight.

People looking for the top ten worst things about stuff is kind of a lot of the problem with this thread, imo.

Sam Handwiches (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 22 March 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago) link

i have zero gripes with the show tbh i just think it's funny to watch the thread flail

internet somebody (some dude), Thursday, 22 March 2012 01:27 (twelve years ago) link

I hope they do get Bill Murray, as it will complete both the relationships and the metarelationships in the show

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Thursday, 22 March 2012 02:58 (twelve years ago) link

Watched last week's ep just to bump up the number on Hulu. Jim Rash really does kill every line he has. I agree with something TVDW wrote, that the only false/off note in the ep was Andre suddenly switching up his attitude at the rehearsal.

Drunk Britta is awesome.

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Thursday, 22 March 2012 04:44 (twelve years ago) link

Actually my favourite bit of the episode was Andre going "don't try your sexy voice with me" and the rest of the study group suddenly going "OH!".

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Thursday, 22 March 2012 10:06 (twelve years ago) link

Also, I liked Annie's lexicon of various chirps.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 March 2012 11:42 (twelve years ago) link

the only false/off note in the ep was Andre suddenly switching up his attitude at the rehearsal.

I do actually agree with this. I think they could've given MJW another take or two to mellow out the harshness of the vibe he was putting off there.

AnnieHalldonia (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 22 March 2012 12:38 (twelve years ago) link

This definitely bugged me at first, but on subsequent viewings I noticed Andre and Shirley talking in the background during whatever what happening in the study room. So it could be argued that a discussion was had, and a realization arrived at by Andre, but we didn't witness it.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 22 March 2012 13:33 (twelve years ago) link

I did appreciate them showing a glimpse of what prompted Shirley to leave Andre in the first place; when Andre first showed up he was so nice and charming and seemingly reasonable that it was hard to reconcile with the "he cheated on me" bastard specter Shirley kept talking about. While the charm showed why it was plausible that Shirley would fall for him in the first place, the nicey-niceness didn't match the picture Shirley painted of him.

Anxious, upset, thinking-of-himself Andre at the rehearsal, who was prepared to step on Shirley's dreams to put his own dollhouse back together, made a lot more sense. Bringing back the charm and nicey-niceness in his abrupt acceptance of Shirley's changes is either a sign that his character is genuinely beginning to grow and change as well, or an indicator that he uses his charm as a weapon to deceive and trick Shirley into doing what he wants her to do.

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Thursday, 22 March 2012 13:56 (twelve years ago) link

^ this guy knows what's up

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Thursday, 22 March 2012 14:02 (twelve years ago) link

I also think it was the set-up to a visual gag, namely that self-centered Jeff and Britta's fake drunk wedding takes center stage, while Andre and Shirley are literally out of focus, way off on the background, talking.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 22 March 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link

this show is like a comedy onion

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Thursday, 22 March 2012 14:09 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, thinking-of-himself Andre, who earlier that day hired singers and dancers to do a big marriage proposal in a very public place.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 22 March 2012 14:26 (twelve years ago) link

I loved that he had the singers on retainer, they were cracking me up

I saw the clip of the proposal as a teaser and somehow it gets funnier every time I see or think about it

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Thursday, 22 March 2012 14:27 (twelve years ago) link

Gillian on Janet Varney's podcast:

http://www.nerdist.com/2012/03/the-jv-club-3-gillian-jacobs/

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Thursday, 22 March 2012 14:53 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, thinking-of-himself Andre, who earlier that day hired singers and dancers to do a big marriage proposal in a very public place.

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 22 March 2012 14:26 (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tv trope 101 is that HE does it to get a huge amount of attention to something HE is doing for someone else.

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link

I think this about any person who organizes a big public proposal. It's gross.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link

occasionally hilarious.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

esp when it culminates with rejection...

Mordy, Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

i once overdosed on schadenfreude, youtube-ing proposal rejections.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link

xpost - stadium ones are the best.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:33 (twelve years ago) link

"Some results have been removed because SafetyMode is enabled by your network administrator" = "You don't know what you're missing, Dan"

AnnieHalldonia (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 22 March 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link

Tonight's episode was brilliant. Started out slightly meh, but soon went galactic.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 23 March 2012 00:37 (twelve years ago) link

That...was French Stewart playing the French Stewart impersonator, wasn't it?

Catheter Hepburn (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 23 March 2012 00:40 (twelve years ago) link

yeah, definitely. that chang closing bit was great

Mordy, Friday, 23 March 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago) link

Wow, this show and I might be on the outs.

I'm a little intrigued: normally, there is plenty of discussion after a Community ep so I might not be the only one who feels this way.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 24 March 2012 03:28 (twelve years ago) link

i dunno about that second half.

j., Saturday, 24 March 2012 03:34 (twelve years ago) link

That was just self-parody: not about a community college study group, not about advancing the characters' relationships, not about anything except the show's own tropes. The characters were just weak caricatures of themselves.

xpost

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 24 March 2012 03:36 (twelve years ago) link

I think the only time I laughed was at "both versions of Michael Jackson".

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 24 March 2012 03:37 (twelve years ago) link

Hm, OK, maybe some Troy/Abed stuff is important. Still, felt off somehow.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 24 March 2012 03:37 (twelve years ago) link

that chang closing bit was great

no it wasn't

mookieproof, Saturday, 24 March 2012 03:38 (twelve years ago) link

What an awful, awful show that god is punishing us with.

General Scheherazod (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 03:43 (twelve years ago) link

Guys Chang was pretty awful this episode, but I liked the rest of it! The bit with Troy and Abed in the bedroom was kinda sweet and touching! lolled hard at the meta evil twin thing

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 24 March 2012 03:47 (twelve years ago) link

i kind of just don't like chang, in general

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:05 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, man. Did you not get the memo? Yeah, we hate this thing we loved a couple months back. We're only still watching because we hate ourselves too much to watch stuff we actually like. NBD.

General Scheherazod (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:06 (twelve years ago) link

also this ep mostly sucked. i liked dean's reaction to jeff in aviators

althea and (donna rouge), Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:06 (twelve years ago) link

Chang was the worst part but I also thought the whole premise of Abed being addicted to renting celebrity impersonators was dumb and self-parodic (as I may have alluded to) and completely unengaging. Same with the way the Jeff plot was handled: the way his narcissism was dealt with in e.g. the pottery class episode worked so much better. This was so heavy-handed.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:08 (twelve years ago) link

lolled hard at the meta evil twin thing

― stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, March 24, 2012 3:47 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"is this too dark?"
"maybe for them."

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:21 (twelve years ago) link

^^^^^ hoos otm

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:26 (twelve years ago) link

Thats not meta thats a Star Trek riff. And didn't they already do an evil twin episode? Or am i thinking Futurama or something?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:28 (twelve years ago) link

its a Star Trek riff AND a meta reference. yr mind = blown.

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:29 (twelve years ago) link

Pssh. The only thing Community is capable of blowing at this point is itself, amirite? (derisive snort)

General Scheherazod (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:31 (twelve years ago) link

you're tiresome.

j., Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:35 (twelve years ago) link

Thats not meta thats a Star Trek riff. And didn't they already do an evil twin episode?

"Evil Troy and Abed" appeared in the 'chaos theory' ep.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:36 (twelve years ago) link

you're tiresome.

^ imagining that being said by this character:
http://pics.livejournal.com/notasoldier/pic/0000f4cz/s640x480

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:37 (twelve years ago) link

senor chang used to be funny, but no longer, alas

abeds at the end was . . . promising? hope they try to retrieve him, expect it'll be ignored

tbf if my apt had a dreamatorium i'd be in there 24/7

mookieproof, Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:37 (twelve years ago) link

If the rest of the season is going in the direction of the latest episode, I am strapping the fuck in for this ride.

we can be gyros just for one day (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:38 (twelve years ago) link

senor chang used to be funny, but no longer, alas

Was great as a fraudulent Spanish teacher, so lame as an insane security guard.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 24 March 2012 04:50 (twelve years ago) link

http://pics.livejournal.com/notasoldier/pic/0000f4cz/s640x480

every time i see this i think its vince vaughn

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 24 March 2012 05:12 (twelve years ago) link

But it's actually this guy:

http://www.starpulse.com/news/media/nickcaveman.jpg

General Scheherazod (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 24 March 2012 05:25 (twelve years ago) link

i like how "both michael jacksons" resulted in troy being adolescent jackson and britta being 80s jackson

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Saturday, 24 March 2012 06:29 (twelve years ago) link

also deric maybe you should stop reading this thread, i can't stop imagining you crying

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Saturday, 24 March 2012 06:30 (twelve years ago) link

i've made up a face and everything

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Saturday, 24 March 2012 06:30 (twelve years ago) link

think my fav part of this episode (which wasn't great, though I liked the Abed/Troy rift) was the Dean crawling on the floor.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 24 March 2012 06:41 (twelve years ago) link

i like how "both michael jacksons" resulted in troy being adolescent jackson and britta being 80s jackson

― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Saturday, March 24, 2012 6:29 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

did you get something else out of "both michael jacksons" before the costume reveal? that was sorta what i pictured from the jump

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 24 March 2012 08:14 (twelve years ago) link

i took it to be the obvious skin-color joke everyone made in elementary school. or on "slow jamz" if you're kanye.

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Saturday, 24 March 2012 08:24 (twelve years ago) link

Dean was A+. Rest was kinda meh. Nice to see wusshisface from 3rd Rock.

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 24 March 2012 10:02 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, seriously, Chang is dragging everything down.

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 24 March 2012 10:20 (twelve years ago) link

What I'm trying to say is remove every scene with Chang and replace it with a scene with the Dean because that equals...

http://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/427635_10150599762411596_681036595_9690410_304321202_n.jpg

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 24 March 2012 10:24 (twelve years ago) link

that's him!

i took it to be the obvious skin-color joke everyone made in elementary school. or on "slow jamz" if you're kanye.

uh adolescent Jackson and 90s Jackson (not 80s) did have different skin tones

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Saturday, 24 March 2012 10:26 (twelve years ago) link

yeah and so the joke works.

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 24 March 2012 10:29 (twelve years ago) link

that's what i was saying

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Saturday, 24 March 2012 11:15 (twelve years ago) link

i. i am starting to enjoy how much of a 'thing' the study-room shops are becoming, always as cold opens or immediately following the credits
ii. but it makes for very slow/measured openings, which is ... maybe a mistake for a show perpetually on the verge of cancellation
iii. although maybe just the 'welcome back you guys!!' stuff threw me
iv. dean crawling was great
v. so was jeff hulking out
vi. but being too proud of themselves to set the gag up properly really sucked
vii. actually structurally the whole celebrities sequence was a little off, like they'd gone 'they'll all be dressed as celebrities! and then ... stuff happens!'
viii. although i have no idea who french stewart is so maybe that was why
ix. chevy still great

thomp, Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:00 (twelve years ago) link

i like/don't like how they avoid idiot ball stuff with the 'who is being a caricature this week' schtick

thomp, Saturday, 24 March 2012 12:01 (twelve years ago) link

I assume everyone caught that when Jeff was coming down on the side of the road, shirtless in his torn pants, they were playing the sad Hulk piano music?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 March 2012 13:00 (twelve years ago) link

i did but only, i suspected, from having seen family guy (?) use that gag.

i did think the welcome back stuff was confusing. weren't they just already back?

j., Saturday, 24 March 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

Last week's episode was meant to be third in this season re-start, but they pushed it up because they felt it would be a bit more indicative of how the group dynamic works and it was a little more...normal.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 24 March 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link

Pre-WWII style cartoon of the Dean is maybe one of my favorite things from the whole series. If I were getting a tattoo (ever), I would consider using it.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 24 March 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link

I thought this one missed the mark quite a bit but the scene with the Dean was awesome, also Britte as Jacko. Think part of the reason Chang is less funny now is that he's just off to the side doing his own thing rather than interacting with the other characters, they haven't managed to make the security guard thing work with the rest of the cast, which is weird because it had immense comic potential.

Felt like this ep was just setting a load of stuff up for later on? All the in-episode graphics were a bit weird.

GEEKY LINE OF CONVERSATION THE WRITERS OBVIOUSLY WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE ON INTERNET FORUMS: The Abed in this timeline has never thought about or seen Evil Abed before, right? Are they *actually* doing Evil Troy & Evil Abed crossing over to destroy the good versions of themselves? Seeing Evil Abed is always a joy though.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Sunday, 25 March 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link

He has a weird *feeling* while eating cereal w/ Troy in the same timeline time as the creation of ET&A and when Troy asks him about it he says its "nothing".

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 25 March 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link

If we ever see anyone else interact with Evil Troy, then we would know he and Evil Abed are real. But in theory, Evil Abed and Evil Troy both could still be a figment of Abed's imagination. Would be great if the show ended with a collision of parallel dimensions. Beats "it was all a dream."

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 25 March 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link

Sadly, I think the Law & Order ep will never live up to what I imagine: Detective Munch walking in to investigate the crime in Greendale; Troy and Abed recoiling in horror as they realise they're part of the Westphall universe and spending the episode trying to prove that this isn't the real Munch...

carson dial, Monday, 26 March 2012 01:32 (twelve years ago) link

cool cool cool

hot... hot... hot

Nhex, Monday, 26 March 2012 05:25 (twelve years ago) link

Where do I know Sub Way from?

OWLS 3D (R Baez), Friday, 30 March 2012 01:15 (twelve years ago) link

i think he was Dudemeister from Scrubs?

Nhex, Friday, 30 March 2012 01:18 (twelve years ago) link

wasn't he in 30 rock?

Mordy, Friday, 30 March 2012 01:21 (twelve years ago) link

i think he was Dudemeister from Scrubs?

Lady Scrubs' boyfriend, right?

OWLS 3D (R Baez), Friday, 30 March 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago) link

OH - great episode. The Britta-1984 romance plot was excellent.

OWLS 3D (R Baez), Friday, 30 March 2012 01:26 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, that's him.

Loved this week's Magnitude appearance, and this is definitely one of the better product placement workarounds I've seen.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 30 March 2012 01:26 (twelve years ago) link

Also, I love the way Shirley will sometimes say "Brit-ta".

Johnny Fever, Friday, 30 March 2012 01:27 (twelve years ago) link

at one point britta was eating popchips

Mordy, Friday, 30 March 2012 01:29 (twelve years ago) link

The 'get my coat' exchange was the best.

I figured as much last week, but I feel much more certain at this point that pieces are being positioned in anticipation of a season(ish)-long story arc of some sort.

The Itchy And Scratchy Glowbo Blow (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 30 March 2012 01:43 (twelve years ago) link

in some pre-season interviews Harmon talked a bit about watching the wire all summer and wondering if you could do big long arcs like that on a sitcom and that it was his goal to try, so yeah, probably.

Clay, Friday, 30 March 2012 02:01 (twelve years ago) link

He also said somewhere that serialization is a crutch.

Anyway, "Britta Unfiltered" "I get it!"

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 30 March 2012 02:51 (twelve years ago) link

Rash brought it during the coat rack bit.

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 30 March 2012 03:07 (twelve years ago) link

Loved this week's Magnitude appearance, and this is definitely one of the better product placement workarounds I've seen.

"Pop pop, captain."

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 March 2012 03:50 (twelve years ago) link

"But we saved Garrett!"

"Did we?"

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 30 March 2012 03:55 (twelve years ago) link

at one point britta was eating popchips

Pop Popchips

I didn't even get the coat rack bit! My o/h had to explain it to me!

kinder, Friday, 30 March 2012 05:46 (twelve years ago) link

what was the 'get my coat' thing?

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 05:50 (twelve years ago) link

I dug this ep. I loved the sword noises and gunshots during the fight scene at the end

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 05:50 (twelve years ago) link

Watched the last two eps tonight:

We know that they can bridge universes b/c that's what happened in model U.N./Crisis Alert ep. Evil Abed showing up and Chang building his personal guard of 13-year-old jewish kids were nice little set-ups for the rest of the season. I enjoyed all the meta-Seacrest jokes, including the ones that chimed in with those Joel himself makes on The Soup. Also, nice Incredible Hulk tv-show ending ref at the end.

Curious to see if John Oliver makes an appearance at all.

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Friday, 30 March 2012 08:39 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't even get the coat rack bit! My o/h had to explain it to me!

― kinder, Friday, 30 March 2012 06:46 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what was the 'get my coat' thing?

― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 06:50 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he had a boner from listening to the tapes

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 30 March 2012 09:05 (twelve years ago) link

eat fresh? eat fresh? eat fresh.

j., Friday, 30 March 2012 11:00 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't even realize it until I watched it a second time, but Chang wasn't in last night's episode at all. And I think I preferred it that way.

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 30 March 2012 13:48 (twelve years ago) link

xxpost ohhhhhh that's awesome

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 30 March 2012 13:48 (twelve years ago) link

We know that they can bridge universes b/c that's what happened in model U.N./Crisis Alert ep.

are you serious

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Friday, 30 March 2012 13:52 (twelve years ago) link

Imma be completely honest with y'all: I thought the coat exchange was just a non-sequitur and pretty funny on that level. It didn't occur to me that there were layers, I guess because my mind isn't in the gutter.

Brock Peuchk (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 30 March 2012 13:52 (twelve years ago) link

the best part of that whole exchange was the Dean's face as he looked from the dude to the coat rack and back

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 30 March 2012 13:55 (twelve years ago) link

Jim Rash = <3

Johnny Fever, Friday, 30 March 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link

Thinking out loud: this was better than last week's, more like decent Simpsons as opposed to crap Simpsons, but I still feel like something has been lost. Like, it was clever that they did the whole 1984 thing but the 'corpo-humanoid student' idea just seemed kind of dumb and contrived to begin with. If it was supposed to be some kind of satirical comment on corporate power (?), it's too OTT and not pointed enough. If it's not, it's just ... trying too hard for a laugh? I dunno, something like the chicken fingers mafia worked because i) it actually illuminated things about the characters and their relationships ii) it was funny because I could totally imagine people being really desperate for the one edible thing in a college cafeteria. Same with e.g. Abed's stop-motion wonderland. I liked the 'Kim' thing though.

Btw, I only expect great things from Community because it delivered them so consistently in the first two seasons. If it really were just a simple sitcom with nothing to it beyond jokes, I don't think there would be such a long thread about it (any more than there would be for Modern Family or Big Bang Theory).

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 31 March 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link

are you serious

what, you don't think they wouldn't use this?

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Saturday, 31 March 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link

we're really not getting enough meta ilx laughs out of the fact that the fast food chain Subway is a sinister force in recent episodes of "Community"

Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Saturday, 31 March 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link

john goodman was awesome. loved this episode.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 31 March 2012 22:19 (twelve years ago) link

i recognized Subway from It's Always Sunny...
also didn't realize the *ahem* implied circumstances with the coat bit either!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 31 March 2012 22:27 (twelve years ago) link

we're really not getting enough meta ilx laughs out of the fact that the fast food chain Subway is a sinister force in recent episodes of "Community"

is this why whiney hates it?

Nascar Pony (stevie), Saturday, 31 March 2012 22:56 (twelve years ago) link

whiney hates it bc people like it iirc

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 31 March 2012 23:04 (twelve years ago) link

also didn't realize the *ahem* implied circumstances with the coat bit either!

Yeah, I didn't get that until it was explained on this thread.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 31 March 2012 23:07 (twelve years ago) link

and the scene was great regardless.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 31 March 2012 23:09 (twelve years ago) link

same here, i didn't get it while i was watching it, but it was still really funny

Nhex, Saturday, 31 March 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago) link

what is so hard about boner jokes

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Saturday, 31 March 2012 23:28 (twelve years ago) link

i think about how much time it took for you people to get it and i think "really? that long?"

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Saturday, 31 March 2012 23:29 (twelve years ago) link

throw me a frickin penis

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Saturday, 31 March 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago) link

i didn't get it till reading it here either. why must you taint our innocence.

Boo-Yaa Too Rough International Boo-Yaa Empire (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 31 March 2012 23:32 (twelve years ago) link

balls to you zachlyon

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 31 March 2012 23:50 (twelve years ago) link

you're both close, but no cigar

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Saturday, 31 March 2012 23:50 (twelve years ago) link

i didn't even mean the 'taint' bit. LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE.

Boo-Yaa Too Rough International Boo-Yaa Empire (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 31 March 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago) link

My first viewing of a Community episode tends to be somewhat inadequate and not terribly penetrating. I'm generally a much less sloppy viewer the second time around.

Marty McBrundlefly (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 31 March 2012 23:59 (twelve years ago) link

plus you don't want to blow your load too early

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 1 April 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link

Well, yeah, I've learned the hard way how disappointed people in this thread can get when there's a premature congratulation.

Marty McBrundlefly (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 1 April 2012 00:56 (twelve years ago) link

we're really not getting enough meta ilx laughs out of the fact that the fast food chain Subway is a sinister force in recent episodes of "Community"

yes i was laughing really hard at how the episode was developing, but it was really not going to be worth it to try to explain to my wife the additional levels of hilarity

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 1 April 2012 01:00 (twelve years ago) link

Wait what's the ilxor subway deal?

President Keyes, Sunday, 1 April 2012 02:03 (twelve years ago) link

Do we like it or something?

President Keyes, Sunday, 1 April 2012 02:06 (twelve years ago) link

ilx poster Whiney W. Weingarten is known for a) eating at Subway often and b) vehemently hating "Community." that is all.

Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Sunday, 1 April 2012 03:53 (twelve years ago) link

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l32bnjpnf01qzb0x0.gif

'might i trouble you for a delicious sandwich?'

Lamp, Sunday, 1 April 2012 06:41 (twelve years ago) link

haha whiney "w" weingarten, i wasn't THAT drunk last night was i

Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Sunday, 1 April 2012 11:26 (twelve years ago) link

Do people on this thread not get boners

not lazy but clowning (Suedey 2), Sunday, 1 April 2012 11:34 (twelve years ago) link

Tbh I thought it was a very simple joke that went on for too long, sort of out of keeping with the show

I mean it's fine but it's just a boner joke people

not lazy but clowning (Suedey 2), Sunday, 1 April 2012 11:35 (twelve years ago) link

I thought you all were going to be talking about the Whiney Weingarten of Community.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Sunday, 1 April 2012 11:49 (twelve years ago) link

Suedey! I didn't know you were still hanging around here, my man! Yeah, I'm ashamed to say that I wasn't able to get a grip on that boner joke. I'll try harder next time.

And why am I not surprised that Chevy Chase is still a huge pain in the ass?

Marty McBrundlefly (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 1 April 2012 12:23 (twelve years ago) link

I'm sure Chevy is a huge dick, this part isn't really news, but honestly if Harmon wants to keep this show going he should probably take the high road a little more often instead of playing into Chase's game. Its not helping the show's future for him to run around playing Chevy's nasty voicemails all over the place or making sure all the dirt finds it way online. I'm sure NBC has to be looking at that stuff too when decided what to do with the show.

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 1 April 2012 14:01 (twelve years ago) link

"Top notch whoresmanship, Britta"

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Sunday, 1 April 2012 14:03 (twelve years ago) link

I'd be sad if Pierce were to disappear actually, they've really brought his character round this this season. I will never tire of Hawthorne lol-technology jokes.

I liked the gag about kids being forced to read 1984 as well. This was a really great, multi-layered episode.

Also, poor Kim. Community really gets a lot of mileage out of the pathos of interchangeable sidelined nerds (see also Todd).

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Sunday, 1 April 2012 14:07 (twelve years ago) link

I'm sure Chevy is a huge dick, this part isn't really news, but honestly if Harmon wants to keep this show going he should probably take the high road a little more often instead of playing into Chase's game. Its not helping the show's future for him to run around playing Chevy's nasty voicemails all over the place or making sure all the dirt finds it way online. I'm sure NBC has to be looking at that stuff too when decided what to do with the show.

― stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, April 1, 2012 10:01 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah this is otm, they had to know what they were getting into casting him in the first place. anytime i've glanced at harmon's twitter he seems to be taking these little potshots at CC and it's like damn, dude, either write him out of the show and move on or shut up.

Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Sunday, 1 April 2012 16:47 (twelve years ago) link

There's probably network pressure to keep him on the show. Some ancient exec who still thinks he's a 'name' or something.

Marty McBrundlefly (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 1 April 2012 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

this is the first i've heard of him taking shots at CC!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 1 April 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link

Then at the wrap party, Harmon got up and gave a “Fuck you, Chevy” speech in front of Chase and his wife and daughter, and encouraged the crew to join him in saying “fuck you” to the actor.

wow, what a piece of shit that harmon guy is

community is pretty much the worst comedy in the history of american tv btw

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Sunday, 1 April 2012 19:16 (twelve years ago) link

Only because you're not a show on American TV, fwiw.

Marty McBrundlefly (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 1 April 2012 19:18 (twelve years ago) link

btw the worst comedy in the history of america airs wednesdays at 8 and is called whitney.

techno pink (reddening), Sunday, 1 April 2012 19:26 (twelve years ago) link

CaptainCrawl went down today:

Dear music blogosphere,

due to legal reasons and intense server costs CaptainCrawl has to go offline - forever.
And - sadly - this is not an April the 1st joke.

In the past 4 years CaptainCrawl has been one of the most visited sites in the music
blogosphere, with more than 4,500,000 (searchable and tagged) music blogs posts,
16,000,000 unique visits and some 10,000s of high quality one-click audio previews
(tracks, mixes, talks). From April 1st 2012, this site will be offline.

CC will never come back as a search engine. The possibility to perform full text searches
within the entire music blogosphere was always a problem for labels & lawyers.
CC got serious complaints from major labels and major artists, so CC has to
react on that. And we are talking about big names here. Like Coldplay.

President Keyes, Sunday, 1 April 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link

wrong thread

President Keyes, Sunday, 1 April 2012 20:01 (twelve years ago) link

DAN HARMON IS NOT A PIECE OF SHIT

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 1 April 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link

Coldplay are though, by the looks of things.

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 1 April 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

harmon's always been a piece of shit. he's a child. you're allowed to know this and still like the show.

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Sunday, 1 April 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link

After listening to the WTF with the guy who did Scrubs and Cougar Town, I'm tempted to believe that a lot of these TV dudes are children.

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 1 April 2012 21:48 (twelve years ago) link

DAN HARMON IS NOT A PIECE OF SHIT

― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, April 1, 2012 4:24 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Right on. Not getting the whole "he's a child" bit either, unless wanting your creation to reflect your vision makes you a child. Sounds like Chase probably just got what was coming to him.

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 1 April 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

um, it's more than that. the guy can't not respond to a single human being disagreeing with him in any form without blowing up and acting like he's been victimized and i'm not talking about people connected to the show. his twitter is embarrassing. the chevy thing is perfectly in character and i don't think involving his wife and daughter in the mess would ever be "coming to him." i would never really care to be in the same room as the guy.

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Sunday, 1 April 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

seriously, i love the show he's created and think he's brilliant when it comes to crafting his vision, but following his twitter for even a week will reveal that the dude really struggles with basic civility and getting along with other people with big egos.

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link

I remember him writing a lot of horrible things about his girlfriend, when she broke up with him -- he seems to have a lot of anger issues. Otoh, Chevy seems awful as well so I don't feel sorry for anybody in this situation.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Sunday, 1 April 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link

i feel sorry for his daughter, i can't even imagine being in that situation

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Sunday, 1 April 2012 23:25 (twelve years ago) link

what, having chevy chase for a father?

balls, Sunday, 1 April 2012 23:27 (twelve years ago) link

I haven't actually been following his Twitter feed; my impression of Harmon mainly comes from the DVD commentaries and interviews.

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 1 April 2012 23:43 (twelve years ago) link

OK, on another viewing, this was brilliant, up there with top-notch Simpsons at least. The satire of corporate personhood is actually really on-point, the tribute to Orwell is masterful, and I love the way they just throw in random gags like Pierce drinking ink. Maybe I was just tired when I watched the first time.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 2 April 2012 00:22 (twelve years ago) link

I liked how the catchphrase to bring in the eavesdropping security people was 'the bread is stale'.

This whole situation with Harmon and Chase is really awful. For the good of the show, though, I'd ditch Chase in a heartbeat - in the past couple of seasons they've tried to show Pierce as being terminally insecure and regretful, which is fine and made him tolerable, but in this season he's just a villain that the rest of the characters can rally around opposing (when they notice him at all). If it's been this terrible working with Chase, I'm not sure why he'd still be on the show - those Paley clips show everyone locked into a forced-laughter circle of contempt. It's professional for actors to congratulate and praise each other publicly, even when things didn't go so well on set, but this ... man.

Loved the drinking-ink bits though. Revisited a few eps from earlier in the season to see if things had dropped off in quality in the third season, but we had foosball, halloween ... it's been good overall.

Brakhage, Monday, 2 April 2012 00:42 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, and I'm definitely aware that Pierce's character weakness this season might be by Harmon's design who would be happy at this point to starve Chevy of any reason to continue on the show.

Brakhage, Monday, 2 April 2012 00:43 (twelve years ago) link

Agh I'd forgotten Advanced Gay, that was so painful I haven't seen the whole thing

Brakhage, Monday, 2 April 2012 00:49 (twelve years ago) link

in this season he's just a villain that the rest of the characters can rally around opposing (when they notice him at all)

I thought this was more true of s2, esp "Advanced Dungeons and Dragons"? Maybe I'm getting my seasons mixed up.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 2 April 2012 01:08 (twelve years ago) link

that's what i felt like too

Eisbaerg Slim (some dude), Monday, 2 April 2012 01:15 (twelve years ago) link

e.g. In "Urban Matrimony and the Sandwich Arts", Pierce was more like his trying-too-hard s1 self.
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EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 2 April 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago) link

Pierce was a villain in S2, and not in S3 (where really the villain is Jeff)

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Monday, 2 April 2012 02:19 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, that was a hasty conclusion on my part. Anyway, hoping that the absence of Evil Pierce (he's dead) makes its way into the plot somehow

Brakhage, Monday, 2 April 2012 02:28 (twelve years ago) link

yup. Pierce def chilled out for s3.

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Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 2 April 2012 02:28 (twelve years ago) link

i think i definitely prefer the garden variety sinister of Pierce in s3 than the ott evil Pierce we got in s2.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 2 April 2012 02:30 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, for all my veneration of s2 and bitching about s3, I also think Pierce's character is being handled much better now.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 2 April 2012 05:08 (twelve years ago) link

feel like seeing those Paley clips as evidence that everyone is in some deep circle of loathing requires you to watch them w/ a very specific intent, also why the hell did i watch those

thomp, Monday, 2 April 2012 08:16 (twelve years ago) link

this interview with the female cast members includes a part where they talk about chevy's humor -- they are diplomatic and say things like "his comedy is from another time, it was more acceptable to say certain things then," but i think it's clear that yvette, at least, isn't fond of him.

techno pink (reddening), Monday, 2 April 2012 10:22 (twelve years ago) link

He's proabably all, "Hey, Yvette, let's do that word association routine I did with Richard Pryor! C'mon, it killed in '75!"

Marty McBrundlefly (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 2 April 2012 13:32 (twelve years ago) link

In this interview, he singles out "the two white girls" as being "more like people that we can all understand". So yeah, I can't imagine Yvette is too fond of him.

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 April 2012 13:49 (twelve years ago) link

haha dwc

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 April 2012 13:49 (twelve years ago) link

I think it was just a few months ago that Chevy introduced Gillian Jacobs to some on-set reporters as "Gillian Anderson".

techno pink (reddening), Monday, 2 April 2012 16:36 (twelve years ago) link

okay that is funny

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Monday, 2 April 2012 16:39 (twelve years ago) link

loved this ep, subway was brilliant, and the battle over the forts had a great faux-lotr feel

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 2 April 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link

"britta unfiltered"

congratulations (n/a), Monday, 2 April 2012 17:14 (twelve years ago) link

i got the penis joke but tbh i don't get what's funny about britta unfiltered

sonderangerbot, Monday, 2 April 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.brita.com/intl/

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Monday, 2 April 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link

oh i see. they must have been saving that one

sonderangerbot, Monday, 2 April 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link

http://28.media.tumblr.com/vWmLsf1oEk2lj05rnYvOjUKKo1_400.jpg

mookieproof, Monday, 2 April 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

There have been other, less lulzy Britta/Brita references in the past.

Marty McBrundlefly (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 2 April 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

Belushi OTM.

Marty McBrundlefly (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 2 April 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link

man chevy looks v modern in that pic, not v lol 70s

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 2 April 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link

He was one of the less overtly-hippie members of the OG SNL cast.

Marty McBrundlefly (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 2 April 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link

Chevy is probably still doing the kind of stuff that killed in his frat house

President Keyes, Monday, 2 April 2012 19:57 (twelve years ago) link

playing Steely Dan songs on drums?

some dude, Monday, 2 April 2012 20:00 (twelve years ago) link

upon wiki-ing chevy to see how old he was, i learned that his real first name is cornelius

mookieproof, Monday, 2 April 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

man chevy looks v modern in that pic, not v lol 70s

I always hate myself a little bit for thinking he looked hot back then, because he is such an obnoxious tool.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 2 April 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

I was afraid to post that I actually found that picture to make him look a little hot.. thank you for being brave for all of us, Nicole.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 2 April 2012 20:19 (twelve years ago) link

I was wondering where I'd seen that smirk before...
http://m.popstar.com/News/Celebs/Dane_Cook/danecook11.jpg

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 2 April 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link

chevy's biography, which he authorised and which was written by a friend, is seriously one of the worst, most badly written books i have ever, ever read. so disappointing, and the black sheep of the snl-related corner of my bookshelf.

Nascar Pony (stevie), Monday, 2 April 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link

Man, I wish I hadn't seen that Chase polaroid now, because he kind of looks like one of my friends in it—someone it never occurred to me looks like Chevy Chase—and now my perception of him will forever now be tainted.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 April 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

if they write pierce out they should invite bill murray to guest star as his killer

mookieproof, Monday, 2 April 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

YES

Johnny Fever, Monday, 2 April 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link

Dan Harmon's been trying to get Bill Murray to play Jeff's dad for years now, for the exact same meta-casting reasons.

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Monday, 2 April 2012 21:37 (twelve years ago) link

I bet they could get Bill Murray if they set up a camera at some remote location, like a phone booth in the desert, hit record, and told him to just show up and record whatever he wanted. And then they could try to incorporate that resultant mess into the show.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 April 2012 21:45 (twelve years ago) link

that Chevy interview. He's like the least self-aware person.

Clay, Monday, 2 April 2012 21:47 (twelve years ago) link

chevy thinks community would be better if they did more improv humor, also he's apparently failed to read the script on multiple occasions = chevy is committed to higher standards of comedy than everyone? or he is a lazy bum

techno pink (reddening), Monday, 2 April 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

that chevy thinks of himself as some kind of above-it-all Serious Artist Who Does Real Comedy is a hysterical revelation to me.

Clay, Monday, 2 April 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link

Chevy was a comedy hero of mine growing up, but dude has always, always been an asshole. There's a reason Comedy Central had to find strangers before they got to anybody who'd agree to do his roast.

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Monday, 2 April 2012 22:27 (twelve years ago) link

lol just watched a clip of the chevy chase show, still maybe the biggest disaster i've ever seen on network tv. youtube can't quite capture what it was like to see this thing happen in real time. anyhow two lols from the wikipedia page: when the show flopped chase claimed "What I wanted had a whole different feel to it, much darker and more improv." o, and the last week of the show, after fox had already announced they were canceling it, it still got more viewers than community.

balls, Monday, 2 April 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link

Television in general had a lot more viewers back then.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 2 April 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link

yeah the ratings threshold for "success" has plummeted, even compared to just ten years ago. there was an article recently that said modern family's amazing successful ratings are about half what a grace under fire rerun was doing in the nineties.

techno pink (reddening), Monday, 2 April 2012 23:09 (twelve years ago) link

"I'd die for my hood... <i>Trayvon</i>"

http://www.iamdonald.com/post/20343305161

#yolo contendere (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 2 April 2012 23:11 (twelve years ago) link

so obsessed... MARIAH

stan this sick bunt (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 2 April 2012 23:13 (twelve years ago) link

o yeah i'm aware of that, it still just blew my mind that this legendarily huge flop late night talk show on a network that had little history before (and no history since) in late night nevertheless drew more viewers at its lowest point than a primetime thursday night sitcom that's likely to get renewed. i keep wondering when we'll reach the point that the average episode cheers drew more viewers than nbc could draw over an entire week now.

balls, Monday, 2 April 2012 23:14 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1sNImbI2Zw

loved miami vice regardless

balls, Monday, 2 April 2012 23:15 (twelve years ago) link

i mean i'm not gonna suddenly decide that the first two seasons of 30 rock were awful cuz the guy who wrote the tracy jordan stuff has a chunky a side project, or that the dirty dozen sucks cuz omg have you heard the pervert's take on dylan?

balls, Monday, 2 April 2012 23:18 (twelve years ago) link

yup, it was a crazy different world before the internet, cell phones, cable with thousands of channels, etc. etc. that's why so many people remember Saved by the Bell.

Nhex, Monday, 2 April 2012 23:20 (twelve years ago) link

cuz the guy who wrote the tracy jordan stuff has a chunky a side project,

You mean the guy who wrote the Kenneth stuff, Donald Glover, right?

President Keyes, Monday, 2 April 2012 23:22 (twelve years ago) link

fey credits him w/ alot of the tracy jordan stuff, although obv alot of the kenneth stuff had to originate from glover (if only the stone mountain jokes).

balls, Monday, 2 April 2012 23:38 (twelve years ago) link

the one joke fey specifically credits him for (waterbug on my remote) is a Kenneth one.

President Keyes, Monday, 2 April 2012 23:43 (twelve years ago) link

but yes i'm referring to donald glover. joel mchale has a side project where he's greg kinnear, alison brie has one where she's trudy campbell, jim rash won an oscar for some alexander payne movie (as embarrassing as childish gambino surely), yvette nicole brown seems very nice, gillian jacobs listens to npr, chevy chase switched bodies w/ benji once, and danny pudi is pretty clearly the best actor on the show.

balls, Monday, 2 April 2012 23:44 (twelve years ago) link

keyes are you referring to dvd commentaries cuz i don't listen to those. i'm referring to her book. cuz i'm sophisticated. i read books by tina fey.

balls, Monday, 2 April 2012 23:46 (twelve years ago) link

yeah the book where she credits him for that joke, Professor Fancypants

President Keyes, Monday, 2 April 2012 23:47 (twelve years ago) link

and by read i mean 'half listen to an audio book' while performing elisas.

balls, Monday, 2 April 2012 23:47 (twelve years ago) link

does she talk about him getting the job from a simpsons spec cuz maybe i'm remembering something else. not listening to audiobook again.

balls, Monday, 2 April 2012 23:49 (twelve years ago) link

“Our youngest writer was Donald Glover. He had just graduated from NYU’s writing program and was still living in a dorm and working as an RA. Donald was our only African American writer at the time, but his real diversity was that he was our only “cool young person” who could tell us what the “kids were listening to these days.” Also, because he came from a large family in Georgia, he was very helpful in writing for the character Kenneth the Page. His MVP joke: a scene where Jenna (Jane Krakowski) is trying to teach Kenneth (Jack McBrayer) how to brag about himself in a passive-aggresive way:

JENNA: Not even a “back door” brag?

KENNETH: What’s a “back door” brag?

JENNA: It’s sneaking something wonderful about yourself into everday conversation. Like when I tell people, “It’s hard for me to watch ‘American Idol,’ because I have perfect pitch.”

KENNETH: Oh… ew.

JENNA: Now you try.

KENNETH: It’s hard for me to watch “American Idol” ‘cause there’s a water bug on the channel changer.

( Tina Fey, Bossypants )

President Keyes, Monday, 2 April 2012 23:52 (twelve years ago) link

lol that's one of the show's best ever jokes!

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 00:15 (twelve years ago) link

"I was just googling record lengths of stuff"

Boo-Yaa Too Rough International Boo-Yaa Empire (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 01:23 (twelve years ago) link

^^^ so good

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 01:47 (twelve years ago) link

but yes i'm referring to donald glover. joel mchale has a side project where he's greg kinnear, alison brie has one where she's trudy campbell, jim rash won an oscar for some alexander payne movie (as embarrassing as childish gambino surely), yvette nicole brown seems very nice, gillian jacobs listens to npr, chevy chase switched bodies w/ benji once, and danny pudi is pretty clearly the best actor on the show.

― balls, Monday, April 2, 2012 7:44 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark

yvette nicole brown is on the new "pound puppies" cartoon that my son sometimes watches in the morning after "fraggle rock"! one day i listened for a sec and was like "is that shirley?"

some dude, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 02:04 (twelve years ago) link

jim rash won an oscar for some alexander payne movie (as embarrassing as childish gambino surely)

Lamp, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 02:07 (twelve years ago) link

itt lamp puts balls in an unflattering light

some dude, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 02:09 (twelve years ago) link

well how can i compete with the solid imdb.com game yr bringing or the dude transcribing 'bossy pants'??

Lamp, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 02:10 (twelve years ago) link

did you really just all snippy and serious in response to "itt lamp puts balls in an unflattering light"?

some dude, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 02:13 (twelve years ago) link

getting all snippy and serious... BRIS

Lamp, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 02:15 (twelve years ago) link

what is so hard about boner jokes

― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:28 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 03:04 (twelve years ago) link

"I was just googling record lengths of stuff"

I just got this!

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 3 April 2012 03:06 (twelve years ago) link

Harmon suddenly realizes he's been kinda dumb

I'm glad, because the whole message of the show, repeated week after week, is that you can grow out of your own insecurities, and a sincere apology is always a good first step

Brakhage, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 22:46 (twelve years ago) link

though in Harmon's case it comes wrapped in juicy layers of celebratory self-deprecation

Brakhage, Tuesday, 3 April 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago) link

Note: Dan is Britta. I think he finally admitted that either this year or during the S2 commentaries.

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 02:44 (twelve years ago) link

p sure his big epiphany was that he was abed

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 02:57 (twelve years ago) link

Harmon has claimed from the beginning that Britta is the character most closely based on / that he identifies w/, no "finally admitting"

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 04:19 (twelve years ago) link

maybe he meant he puts on a blonde wig and a push up bra and literally IS Britta.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 04:21 (twelve years ago) link

Possibly, but I just most clearly remembering him talking about it in the S2 commentary tracks. So it goes.

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 04:38 (twelve years ago) link

I wish we could go back to the good old days of not knowing anything about an author musician or artist beyond what they make

badg, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 04:41 (twelve years ago) link

I wish we could go back to the good old days of not reading this thread

mookieproof, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 05:00 (twelve years ago) link

maybe he meant he puts on a blonde wig and a push up bra and literally IS Britta.

― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, April 3, 2012 11:21 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dan harmon IS j. edgar hoover

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 05:17 (twelve years ago) link

am hoping this chevy/harmon thing is just a fake to stir up press interest

Nascar Pony (stevie), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 07:05 (twelve years ago) link

lol, you have plainly never read anything about either Chevy nor the Community cast's relationship w/ Chevy before

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 12:02 (twelve years ago) link

no, i have, but i am just hoping.

Nascar Pony (stevie), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 15:21 (twelve years ago) link

Harmon has claimed from the beginning that Britta is the character most closely based on / that he identifies w/, no "finally admitting"

― ┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, April 4, 2012 12:19 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark

i thought he always said more that she's based on girls he knew or a type of girl he's an expert on?

some dude, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 15:22 (twelve years ago) link

funny britta is the closest to an easily-identifiable stereotype among the main characters

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link

? they're pretty much all stereotypes

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link

i guess so.... but britta and pierce seem to fit most easily into readymade types... the humorless political poseur and the cranky, hilariously inadept old guy....

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link

the aspie nerd
the religious, family-oriented black woman
the narcissistic superficial lawyer
the prissy over-achiever

troy is kinda the least stereotypical character

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:20 (twelve years ago) link

every person ever, real or fictional, is a "stereotype" if you reduce them to their most elemental demographic statistics or personal characteristics. plus it's just a horrible soul-killing way to talk about most things.

some dude, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

yeah you're right n/a. never mind.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 18:59 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I think the characters are much more complex than that. For example, compare Abed to Sheldon Cooper, who really is a stereotypical Aspie nerd (or at least was the last time I watched BBT): first, Abed is extremely athletic and doesn't seem to have trouble attracting women; also, he often displays a greater insight into other people's thoughts and feelings and relationships than other characters do. It's much more ambiguous whether he actually has Asperger's. And he is a film student at a community college: his 'aspie' obsession is with films and TV, not with science or technology. I can't offhand think of a stereotypical nerd character anywhere else with that sort of fixation. The hyper-imaginative childhood-regression aspects of his character don't really seem to fit the stereotype either (thinking of Sheldon or Steve Urkel etc).

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EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:05 (twelve years ago) link

He has to be one of the most unique sitcom characters I can think of.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:09 (twelve years ago) link

yeah i think one of the show's greatest creative victories has been to keep letting Abed zig when other shows would have him zag

some dude, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:11 (twelve years ago) link

last night my friend claimed troy and abed were based on the "classic geordi laforge/lieutenant commander data pairing."

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:31 (twelve years ago) link

uh

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:35 (twelve years ago) link

we were drinking frozen mojitos.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

clarity

THIS TRADE SERVES ZERO FOOTBALL PURPOSE (DJP), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:39 (twelve years ago) link

although there is a rough mapping of community characters to the star trek TNG bridge crew.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

u kno, bc black guy + pale robot guy friends

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 19:45 (twelve years ago) link

"classic" geordi/data

makes them sound like fkn laurel and hardy

I love TNG but that's just kinda weird

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link

last night my friend claimed troy and abed were based on the "classic geordi laforge/lieutenant commander data pairing."

actually, i totally see this.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link

I can see Abed/Data, but Geordi/Troy doesn't work for me.

polyphonic, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link

who is riker

techno pink (reddening), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

Leonard

polyphonic, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

pale?

ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

Chevy is Riker

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

how is that even a question

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/09/DataTNG.jpg/250px-DataTNG.jpg

what's your objection? that it's more pasty than pale? xxp

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link

maybe he thought you meant Geordi

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

but if chevy is riker, who is troi?

techno pink (reddening), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

Troy is Jordy in that he is the link connecting/translating Abed/Data to the human world of irrational feelings etc etc.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link

uh the description of abed as "pale" was what i was questioning

ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:53 (twelve years ago) link

well.... he's paler than Troy?

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

he was describing Data as pale

is it really going to turn into that conversation

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

some dude, u may also be surprised by the fact that abed is not a robot.

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link

i mean i'm not like acting offended or anything, it was just a v odd choice of words

ferrante's inferranteno (some dude), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

oh i see. it was a tonal misfire. i was being snarky in the original comment, i was not seriously suggesting that abed is a pale robot dude.

Mordy, Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

abed may not be a robot, but according to jeff he is a computer.

techno pink (reddening), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link

jeff is a total riker. shirley is troi, britta is worf, and pierce is wesley crusher. annie is the crystalline entity.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 4 April 2012 21:30 (twelve years ago) link

that was amazing.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 6 April 2012 02:31 (twelve years ago) link

otm

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Friday, 6 April 2012 02:40 (twelve years ago) link

i may still be in the afterglow, but that was probably better than the first paintball episode.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 6 April 2012 02:43 (twelve years ago) link

It was fun, but not Chang-as-Chow Yun Fat fun

Brakhage, Friday, 6 April 2012 03:29 (twelve years ago) link

i thought it was ok. the ken burns thing kinda wore me out tbh

Nhex, Friday, 6 April 2012 03:48 (twelve years ago) link

That's Enter-Chang-Ment!

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 6 April 2012 03:49 (twelve years ago) link

Such a perfect piece of television. Fat Neil with the Pipes of Steel! More "Daybreak"! And Keith David's Britta burn!

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 6 April 2012 03:52 (twelve years ago) link

the pledge drive thing at the end was genius.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 6 April 2012 03:53 (twelve years ago) link

"Were you on The Cape?"

"No."

Mike Love Costume Jewelry on Etsy (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 6 April 2012 04:04 (twelve years ago) link

community bringin it

phantompenguin, Friday, 6 April 2012 05:27 (twelve years ago) link

god that was so much awesome

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 April 2012 05:28 (twelve years ago) link

When Pierce came out in that suit thing I lost it

kinder, Friday, 6 April 2012 06:44 (twelve years ago) link

I like this post - Leonard.

Clay, Friday, 6 April 2012 10:21 (twelve years ago) link

Birthday cake birthday cake women's shoes birthday cake

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Friday, 6 April 2012 12:44 (twelve years ago) link

Or whatever.

I would have maybe preferred a bit more action and running around and a little less narration but overall this was fantastic. I love that Abed actually made Jeff go back to the office to get the real imaginary pointy friendship hats. Also that there's now a Greendale student even older than Leonard. Also Shirley openly glorifying in the violence was lol.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Friday, 6 April 2012 12:45 (twelve years ago) link

holy motherfuck of changness i lost it so hard when pierce's weapon was revealed

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 6 April 2012 13:34 (twelve years ago) link

also if they ever do get to do a bill murray episode, it now has to have a bit of a ghostbusters riff so chevy can be a bitter stay puft marshmellow man.

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 6 April 2012 13:36 (twelve years ago) link

Pajamas without children, violence with no purpose. I saw mommy kissing Exxon Mobile. —Amanda Johnson, poet by choice, lesbian by birth.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Friday, 6 April 2012 13:38 (twelve years ago) link

omg yesssssssssssssss

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 6 April 2012 13:39 (twelve years ago) link

I think the thing I appreciated/enjoyed the most was that at one point a few years ago I was trying to figure out how to capture the experience of really enjoyable messageboard threads in the context of mainstream entertainment and the closest thing I could imagine was basically the email/text/Facebook exchanges in this episode.

God, Music and Romeo and Juliet (DJP), Friday, 6 April 2012 13:42 (twelve years ago) link

I like this post - Leonard.

― Clay, Friday, April 6, 2012 5:21 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 6 April 2012 15:16 (twelve years ago) link

the Britta running gag was brilliant too, particularly the payoff with the "accidental" Troy-Abed shot

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 6 April 2012 15:17 (twelve years ago) link

Just watched the last two episodes back to back, and both were great. At first I was worried this would just be some unexplained genre parody, but they did an excellent job of explaining HOW this documentary got made, and having it fit in the known Community universe. Granted, a lol's a lol, but that extra care is really appreciated.

da croupier, Friday, 6 April 2012 15:30 (twelve years ago) link

leonard likes this post

Lamp, Friday, 6 April 2012 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

Leonard fought for North Korea, huh

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 6 April 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link

"Yeah. Gee, that's a good one."

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 6 April 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link

Wow, this is pretty awesome!

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 6 April 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link

I like this post - Leonard.

― Clay, Friday, April 6, 2012 5:21 AM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― congratulations (n/a), Friday, April 6, 2012 3:16 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 7 April 2012 00:08 (twelve years ago) link

Leonard fought for North Korea, huh

Yeah, that was a nice touch.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 7 April 2012 02:10 (twelve years ago) link

Later on, Troy would say the war was awesome, but also... not awesome?

phantompenguin, Saturday, 7 April 2012 07:52 (twelve years ago) link

Holy shit, Keith David

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Saturday, 7 April 2012 10:59 (twelve years ago) link

Wow, could this show have picked a less timely object of satire? I don't know if that made it funnier or less funny but my wife thought it sucked. I guess I'm on the fence, but there was a lot I loved, but the meta in this one was pretty meta.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 April 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, the Rambo joke was dead-on. It totally technically should be "Rambo II: First Blood Part III."

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 April 2012 18:54 (twelve years ago) link

Ken Burns documentaries are always timely ffs.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 7 April 2012 19:06 (twelve years ago) link

Hard to believe, but "The Civil War" was almost 25 years ago. Time flies when you're timely.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 April 2012 19:11 (twelve years ago) link

"North Korea" was my fav gag...
so who thinks that was actually Chase in the pillow suit?

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 7 April 2012 19:23 (twelve years ago) link

On the s1 DVDs, they say that he does all his own physical pratfalls etc so I can believe that it was.

Still on the fence about this one. Might need to watch a second time again. This is OTM:

the meta in this one was pretty meta.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link

Having said that, this show's genre parodies have never been that timely. My Dinner with André was 30 years old, surely; Goodfellas 20 years old; 1984 65 years old, etc.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2012 20:05 (twelve years ago) link

Well, "1984" is a perennial, and explicitly referenced in the episode. "Goodfellas" is iconic and oft parodied. "My Dinner with Andre" I thought was being willfully out of date. "The Civil War" ... I dunno. Ken Burns's style is iconic and oft-paradied, but this was pretty specific. Which is why I'm not sure if it was intentional enough. It would have been funny if it was it was a "Jazz" parody.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 April 2012 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

Did cynical folk roll their eyes and hand-wring about Kane homages in early Simpsons episodes when they came out?

da croupier, Saturday, 7 April 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link

probably!

Nhex, Saturday, 7 April 2012 20:24 (twelve years ago) link

Tbch, I didn't know there was a Burns documentary about the US Civil War that this was directly parodying. I just thought it was a spoof of PBS historical documentaries more generally.

Do you think the Christmas episode could have worked as a Jazz parody? The parody of Glee, while timely, was pretty weak as parody.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 7 April 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

Tbch, I didn't know there was a Burns documentary about the US Civil War that this was directly parodying.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, April 7, 2012 4:51 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

How on Earth...

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 7 April 2012 21:08 (twelve years ago) link

not everybody lives in the U.S.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 7 April 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link

(i did not know that either)

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 7 April 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link

b-b-b-b-b-but ken... BURNS... does this THING. A THING that he DOES.

Waxahachie Swap (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 7 April 2012 21:16 (twelve years ago) link

i've seen his baseball ones tho, if it makes you feel better. (they bored me to tears)

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 7 April 2012 21:21 (twelve years ago) link

Wow, could this show have picked a less timely object of satire?

I don't these things in Community as satires--more as borrowed frames to plug the characters into. The episodes aren't really critiquing "My Dinner With Andre" or Ken Burns. What would be the point?

President Keyes, Saturday, 7 April 2012 21:27 (twelve years ago) link

lol i never knew this was a direct parody, i just thought it was 'general war documentary types'.

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Saturday, 7 April 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link

Ken Burns Civil War is all-time

If you don't get down with that, I dunno what to tell you

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 April 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link

Different if you don't know it at all, but if you saw it & are just blowing it off then omg jaded much

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 April 2012 22:03 (twelve years ago) link

It would have been funny if it was it was a "Jazz" parody.

Are you serious?

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Saturday, 7 April 2012 22:04 (twelve years ago) link

No.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 April 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

Same thing with that NYT profile a while back; these aren't parodies, they're genre exercises, but we're not used to a thing explicitly adopting genre tropes for an outing without being a parody of said genre.

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Saturday, 7 April 2012 22:11 (twelve years ago) link

I totally get that, and it's really not a deal breaker for me, but this was more than just making fun of documentaries. It was specifically making fun of Ken Burns's "The Civil War." Which makes it a parody in my p=book, and is perfectly cool, if that's your thing. I just get this feeling I've seen it made fun of a lot. Unlike, say, "My Dinner with Andre." In a lot of ways the pledge drive thing at the end sort of saved it for me, especially since this show (and its cast) has a history of making fun of PBS/NPR.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 April 2012 22:23 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't know it was a specific thing either. Still loved it.

kinder, Saturday, 7 April 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.twitvid.com/TPEJC

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 April 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link

ken burns is a genre

President Keyes, Saturday, 7 April 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago) link

remember how some people last year were criticizing that 30 Rock episode last year that parodied Bravo housewife shows TOO closely, making it unenjoyable? that's kind of the vibe i got from this, that the humor got watered down because they stuck to the Burns tone a little too much

still, some good laughs in this ep no doubt. keith david 4eva!

Nhex, Sunday, 8 April 2012 00:28 (twelve years ago) link

wait what that was the best 30 rock episode

HAM

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 8 April 2012 01:22 (twelve years ago) link

Dan Harmon painted cameo

Spleen of Hearts (kingfish), Sunday, 8 April 2012 01:34 (twelve years ago) link

I would have been down with this ep going all in and only featuring still photos with panning and voiceovers.

s.clover, Sunday, 8 April 2012 01:55 (twelve years ago) link

I would too, for the most part. (Missing Pierce's secret weapon in action would be the dealbreaker.)

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 8 April 2012 01:59 (twelve years ago) link

Would have lost the moment where the pillow fight dissolves to just Troy and Abed, though, and I wouldn't want to have gone without it.

da croupier, Sunday, 8 April 2012 02:03 (twelve years ago) link

Civil War is streaming on Netflix for anyone looking for extra comparison lols

I DIED, Sunday, 8 April 2012 02:38 (twelve years ago) link

Some of these 'very special' Community episodes do roughly what Wet Hot American Summer tried to do. It's not necessarily parody, and it's not necessarily 'spot the reference' pastiche. It's basically taking a thing that was barely a thing (like summer camp comedies or My Dinner With Andre) and treating it as if it were a genre, with all of the attendant tropes and signals and codes of an existing genre (except as derived from one or very few sources)...while at the same time wryly tweaking the non-genre in question? They're operating on a lotta layers, and I'm glad most Community viewers are savvy enough to appreciate the effort.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 8 April 2012 03:04 (twelve years ago) link

blank pastiche blah blah impending apocalypse blah blah 2012 blah blah capitalism

thomp, Sunday, 8 April 2012 09:11 (twelve years ago) link

bad epi

༼◍ྀ ౪ ◍ི ༽ (cozen), Sunday, 8 April 2012 10:29 (twelve years ago) link

You don't need to spot the exact reference to get that this was riffing off a particular kind of historical documentary, really.

This reminded me more of the Heart of Darkness episode than any of the other warfare eps actually.

Bears pointing out that the Dean is absolutely fucking hilarious when he's completely lost control of the school and doesn't know what to do.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Sunday, 8 April 2012 10:54 (twelve years ago) link

"Jeffrey, find me!"

da croupier, Sunday, 8 April 2012 12:22 (twelve years ago) link

You don't need to spot the exact reference to get that this was riffing off a particular kind of historical documentary, really.

I think we all got that.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 8 April 2012 14:51 (twelve years ago) link

it was very specifically that ken burns doc that it was sending up, tho of course that's not like sui generis or whatevs.

i enjoyed this, i liked the parody, i didnt find it a partic funny episode tho.

zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 8 April 2012 14:52 (twelve years ago) link

i am unfamiliar with the ken burns thing and with larger traditions of american documentary-making, and as such i got not a whole lot out of this. ho hum

thomp, Sunday, 8 April 2012 15:30 (twelve years ago) link

the larger traditions really helped me understand those jokes

President Keyes, Sunday, 8 April 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link

"Jeffrey, find me!"

mookieproof, Sunday, 8 April 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link

I remember when I had to go watch a decade's worth of British news programming so I could fully appreciate Monty Python.

President Keyes, Sunday, 8 April 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link

if you're american you don't actually appreciate monty python, just saying

thomp, Sunday, 8 April 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link

just saying nonsense

President Keyes, Sunday, 8 April 2012 17:54 (twelve years ago) link

thomp, if one were to make an assessment based solely on your most recent posts itt, one might conclude that they suggest a general tendency towards opinions unworthy of consideration by others. Just sayin'.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 8 April 2012 19:48 (twelve years ago) link

you're a moron

thomp, Sunday, 8 April 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link

Aaaand I rest my case.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 8 April 2012 21:10 (twelve years ago) link

you live with your mother

thomp, Sunday, 8 April 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link

and you smell

thomp, Sunday, 8 April 2012 21:14 (twelve years ago) link

It's really a shame that this particular thread has to keep devolving into such a toilet.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 8 April 2012 21:20 (twelve years ago) link

THREAD WARNING _ HIGHBROW HUMOUR IN THIS THREAD ONLY _ IN THIS THREAD, PLEASE ACT IN A WAY BEFITTING OUR OBJECT OF INQUIRY: THE TWiCE-NOMINATED FOR PEOPLE'S CHOICE AWARDS TELEVISION COMMEDY COMUNITY

thomp, Sunday, 8 April 2012 21:28 (twelve years ago) link

what's going on here

Clay, Sunday, 8 April 2012 21:35 (twelve years ago) link

never change, this thread

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 8 April 2012 21:41 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, never change. If we promise to keep the dark spirits bottled up in this thread, I promise to avoid it like the plague.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 8 April 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

so basically, all non-USAers should stop watching Community because of the high-level 1992 PBS satire that only we (over the age of 30) can possibly understand.

President Keyes, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:05 (twelve years ago) link

non-usaers don't help its ratings so no one cares if they get it or not

just saying

mookieproof, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:14 (twelve years ago) link

i'm sure all the inspector spacetime stuff is aimed solely at US dr. who fans

President Keyes, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:17 (twelve years ago) link

hrm - that kind of intensely fannish relationship to it is actually more of a US thing, i think. here it's saturday afternoon family tv? i mean, there are devotees, but they're not the norm.

thomp, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

remember the good old days when this thread was just quotes and discussion re:Alison Brie's tittays?

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:20 (twelve years ago) link

'tittays'

thomp, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:21 (twelve years ago) link

dr. who worship is certainly the norm in the u.s. It's kind of like American Idol.

President Keyes, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:22 (twelve years ago) link

you can't read

thomp, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:26 (twelve years ago) link

itt unintelligent people believe community is an intelligent tv show

thomp, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:27 (twelve years ago) link

thomp sees through our intellectual pretensions.

President Keyes, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link

I think I can read, prick. Dr. Who fanatics are pretty fucking sparse in America. probably the same where you hail from.

President Keyes, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link

i come from uranus

thomp, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

dramatic music

thomp, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

more who fanatics there than here, i'd think

President Keyes, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

mainly butt

thomp, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

^ who is this putz?

balls, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link

im a sock

thomp, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:42 (twelve years ago) link

LOL

balls, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:45 (twelve years ago) link

"im a sock"

balls, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

dying over here

balls, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:47 (twelve years ago) link

in semi-relevant news "remedial chaos theory" was just nominated for a hugo, alongside three doctor who episodes.

techno pink (reddening), Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

omg who is 'thomp' this is hilarious

balls, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:48 (twelve years ago) link

you're right, i ignored the thread warning

thomp, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link

MORBS

balls, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link

has morbs seen this guy yet? fucking hilarious

balls, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:50 (twelve years ago) link

"i'm a sock"

balls, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:50 (twelve years ago) link

sorry "im a sock"

balls, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:50 (twelve years ago) link

good lord that's good

balls, Sunday, 8 April 2012 22:51 (twelve years ago) link

so basically, all non-USAers should stop watching Community because of the high-level 1992 PBS satire that only we (over the age of 30) can possibly understand.

― President Keyes

im from scotland and in my 20s and i watched ken burns' civil war on british terrestrial television when i was a kid.

zverotic discourse (jim in glasgow), Sunday, 8 April 2012 23:49 (twelve years ago) link

kinda my point

President Keyes, Sunday, 8 April 2012 23:51 (twelve years ago) link

i saw it in australia

in ur face thompy

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 8 April 2012 23:56 (twelve years ago) link

FWIW, Dr. Who has gotten pretty big over here in the states recently for some reason.

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 9 April 2012 00:17 (twelve years ago) link

flu virus, iirc

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 April 2012 00:21 (twelve years ago) link

Do all you non-Americans get all the elaborate Kickpuncher jokes?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 April 2012 00:24 (twelve years ago) link

reagan references, no?

Mordy, Monday, 9 April 2012 00:30 (twelve years ago) link

No, it's an elaborate riff on this obscure '80s short-film series called "Punchkicker." If you look on eBay you can still find some fan-compiled VHS collections.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 April 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago) link

everyone stfu

catbus otm (gbx), Monday, 9 April 2012 02:51 (twelve years ago) link

catbus otm

Mordy, Monday, 9 April 2012 03:00 (twelve years ago) link

you're a moron

― thomp, Sunday, April 8, 2012 4:00 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

most otm post itt

Lamp, Monday, 9 April 2012 23:38 (twelve years ago) link

should have been 'your' tbh

mookieproof, Monday, 9 April 2012 23:40 (twelve years ago) link

I don't understand why this has become the de facto thread for people who want to start acting like massive dicks completely out of left field.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 9 April 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago) link

they hate us for our freedom joy in something

mookieproof, Monday, 9 April 2012 23:55 (twelve years ago) link

"here in the ilx joy labs we vivisect all that you love so that you may see the hollow sadness within"

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 April 2012 23:57 (twelve years ago) link

or dan harmon killed their pet bunny or something idk

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 April 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago) link

I guess I'm lucky to have gotten through eight years here without having to deal with much dumb ad hominem bullshit, but if people wanna ruin this thread startin' pointless beefs...come at me bros, I guess?

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:10 (twelve years ago) link

deric come to the 'not bothering much w/ the Community thread anymore' side, it's wonderful over here

ghostface protocollah (some dude), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:33 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I was kinda over this thread when it became cool to hate on the show, but I got sucked back in...well, because I'm a moron, apparently.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:41 (twelve years ago) link

yo dwc i enjoy community but your fanboy defensiveness in responding to every single non-adulatory post is about as meaningless and annoying as thomp's posts itt

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago) link

There's alot more talk here about how everyone here hates on Community than there are posts of people hating on Community.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:03 (twelve years ago) link

whiney psyched y'all out

ghostface protocollah (some dude), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago) link

anyway, episode left me a bit cold. i agree with whoever said it should've just been photos and interviews and letters and stuff. the really funny things could've been shared with cheap phone recordings. and after all that setup i was disappointed the main conflict was solved so simply and then it somehow managed to recenter the show on jeff rather than troy/abed.

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago) link

Mmm...I admittedly fail more often than I'd like to make it clear when I'm joking on ILX (despite my fandom, my defensive posts have been fairly tongue-in-cheek), but I feel like I'm a little more successful at not being a straight-up asshole. Ymmv as to which is more irritating, I guess.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:10 (twelve years ago) link

you're not being an asshole, you just can't seem to post in this thread without acting like everyone else is committing a crime against humanity. that's understandable when you're talking to ppl trolling like whiney but you're acting the same towards a bunch of people who just want to discuss the show like anyone discusses anything else on ilx typically, which -gasp- includes positives AND negatives. if you don't want the latter just stick to the av club bro

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:25 (twelve years ago) link

don't bro him if you don't kno him

mookieproof, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:31 (twelve years ago) link

I'll own my half dozen or so (apparently) flopped joke "OMG show's so bad now, amirite?" posts, but aside from that and a few dick joke riffs, I think I've posted my share of seriousness itt. Hint: my serious posts have been pretty butthurt-free up until the last couple of days.

1 of paper = 4 of coin (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 01:43 (twelve years ago) link

Another angry Chevy voicemail, this one from March, 2011.

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link

The quantum mechanics party is Hugo-nominated now, going up against three Doctor Who eps, and I think the Gaiman-penned story is some stiff competition

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link

damn, chevy:

Chase then goes on to complain that most of his improvised attempts to get that signature brand of Chevy Chase-funny just end up being edited out, usually in favor of dumb and pointless things like character development or “story”:

"There are two choices. One is the story line—like everybody gives a shit about the fucking story when they don't even know who the characters are. Or, there's make people laugh...[My scene is] cut down. For what? So people can follow the story line between Joel and Gillian? And love affairs and kissing? Come on, man! You're missing the fucking point! I mean, this is not my kind of comedy. I thought you hired me for what I can do that's funny. You've got to give me some range. And then you’ve got some fucking editor with no fucking sense of humor—and no sense of me—cutting things down to the point where I just look like an asshole! I don’t like it."

[While] Chase avers that he really likes Harmon and thinks “your writing is great...everything you do is great” (to which Harmon giggles in the background), he then makes the by-now familiar vow that he’s not going to put up with any of it for much longer.

“If you want me on this show again, I have news for you: I don't want it...it's just a mediocre fucking sitcom. I want people to laugh, and this isn't funny. It ain't funny to me, because I'm 67-years-old and I've been doing this a long time, and I’ve been making a lot of people laugh a lot better than this.”

techno pink (reddening), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:35 (twelve years ago) link

chevy was the kid who really killed in theater class, wasn't he

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link

part of me wishes this was all a joek

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link

Final episode of the show should be all the hilarious Chevy improv scenes that got cut.

President Keyes, Tuesday, 10 April 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

If the gag reels are any indication, the only improvising Chevy does is forgetting his lines and missing his cues all the fucking time.

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 10 April 2012 22:01 (twelve years ago) link

tbf those gag reels were probably cut together by someone who hates him

some dude, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 00:46 (twelve years ago) link

and calling other cast members "assholes" for getting their lines right and meeting their cues

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 00:50 (twelve years ago) link

has he ever successfully improvised?

mookieproof, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 00:53 (twelve years ago) link

did he improvise that gag with the soft serve ice cream a few eps back? because my parents chuckled at it and were like "classic chevy humor" while i thought it was embarrassingly tedious

techno pink (reddening), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 00:58 (twelve years ago) link

that definitely felt like it was a sop to him, a "go on then" to let him prove how much more hilarious he is than Troy & Abed

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:15 (twelve years ago) link

community is super awesome, but it has yet to surpass fletch in greatness. abed would agree with me.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:18 (twelve years ago) link

lol chevy killin' it

Lamp, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 01:48 (twelve years ago) link

Chevy is the funniest part of the show tho

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:38 (twelve years ago) link

the anti-chevy sentiment itt is a little over the top but that's a bit too far in the opposite direction

some dude, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:40 (twelve years ago) link

I loved Fletch, etc. but it is baffling to me that someone could think that.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:44 (twelve years ago) link

i was going to ask which show Adam was referring to, because it isn't Community

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:51 (twelve years ago) link

the 2006 episode of Law & Order in which Chevy plays a drunken movie star who calls a police officer "sugar tits"

some dude, Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:55 (twelve years ago) link

Lol you guys are so funny. I'm serious. I think he has the best one-liners.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 14:57 (twelve years ago) link

Chevy gets some of the best one liners but also some of the clunkiest bits, and if some of those are his own idea that might explain a lot.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:33 (twelve years ago) link

don't forget the faltermeyer multiplier helps fletch.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:46 (twelve years ago) link

chevy's really funny, i love his bits. but the show can live without him. i'd rather it didn't though.

I accidentally sonned your dome (stevie), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

the faltermeyer multiplier would make a fantastic display name

I accidentally sonned your dome (stevie), Wednesday, 11 April 2012 15:58 (twelve years ago) link

ENBB & I saw Joel McHale today! There was no time to shout "six seasons and a movie" :(

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 12 April 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

should've shouted, "I compare you to a kiss from a rose!"

President Keyes, Friday, 13 April 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link

at the risk of drawing the wrath of the fans (again): that had to be the worst episode of the season so far, right? i love britta (easily my favorite character) but her whole plot just seemed tonally off and not very funny

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 13 April 2012 20:07 (twelve years ago) link

i am also more of a chang fan than other people but the chevy/chang plotline was awful

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 13 April 2012 20:08 (twelve years ago) link

yeah both plots were super weak and this was probably in the bottom half of episodes this season, but still plenty of lols. like Annie's "laugh" when they were talking about Jeff not being able to make women crazy and pretty much all of Jim Rash. the end was pretty sweet, closing all the knowing glances with Abed and Troy.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 13 April 2012 20:09 (twelve years ago) link

yeah this was weak

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 13 April 2012 20:13 (twelve years ago) link

Pierce & Chang was weaksauce and should've been awesome

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 13 April 2012 20:17 (twelve years ago) link

I didn't love it, but that just means it was "Bart's Girlfriend" rather than "Lisa On Ice." The Chang/Pierce b-story was completely pointless and dull, but I loved the texting hijinx. And even though the dean seemed shoehorned into Troy & Abed's apartment, it worked because Rash is brilliant.

Dancing with Mr. T (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 13 April 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link

Rash is awesome

Most of this ep was dumb but I liked the texting/fake carnival

an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Friday, 13 April 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

dean was funny, esp. the "what's wrong annie? when you came out of the room, you looked happy, but then your smile slowly faded into a frown and now you look upset" line (paraphrased obv)

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 13 April 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

Also everyone questioning the Dean's presence and his wounded reaction every time made me chuckle

an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Friday, 13 April 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link

abed's delivery of "yes" after troy asked "do you wanna watch blade tonight?" was perfect

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Friday, 13 April 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

but yeah, ep wasn't great, the ending of the britta plot felt like it was developed from some 'girls only like assholes' nice guy(tm) bullshit which is exactly what i would expect from ugh harmon's annoying side

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Friday, 13 April 2012 20:29 (twelve years ago) link

I dunno, it was kinda silly but it was fun. I love Abed's "Guys I'm going to need your help reacting to something" when Dean shows up at the door

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 13 April 2012 21:30 (twelve years ago) link

haha yeah that was great too

I dunno, partially it's just that anything was going to feel like a letdown after last week but... they put Jeff and Shirley together and then had Jeff totally ignore her (boo) plus the whole Chang/Pierce thing didn't work (aside from the "first fight" gag, which I enjoyed)

an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Friday, 13 April 2012 21:33 (twelve years ago) link

The moment of the episode was Annie's fake carny laugh.

Träumerei, Friday, 13 April 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

part of my distance from the episode was the feeling that I'd seen Caper Annie be funnier in previous episodes (chloroforming the security guard at the law firm party, macing herself, sending Abed on a wild goose chase to cover up that she broke his DVD, etc)

an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Friday, 13 April 2012 22:10 (twelve years ago) link

Rash is awesome

"boy, this guy doesn't give vampires a square inch of leeway"

I DIED, Friday, 13 April 2012 22:27 (twelve years ago) link

The moment of the episode was Annie's fake carny laugh.

― Träumerei, Friday, April 13, 2012 10:07 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 13 April 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link

Quite a few good lines.

"Her pain unifies us!"

"Annie, subdue your guest."

"That's right, Britta. It's a banana!"

Träumerei, Friday, 13 April 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

people who have been watching this since the beginning and loved s1/s2: has the show totally fallen off or am i just getting tired of its shtick(s)

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 13 April 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link

oh boy you are about to be the brunt of a slew of sarcastic posts from a one mr. deric haircare (yes it has fallen off)

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 13 April 2012 23:11 (twelve years ago) link

s1ocki: The best episodes from s3 are as good as any from the first two but it's much less consistent imo. And the worst eps of s3 really blow. I'm one of the people who wishes it was still more grounded in the school setting at least some of the time.

But, weirdly, while I've been pretty critical of this season, I actually enjoyed this one all right. Not mind-blowing but a perfectly fine ep imo. Unlike with "Urban Matrimony" or "Contemporary Impressionists", the storylines in this all made sense to me and resolved well. I like that they finally came back to the Troy/Britta tension they'd developed earlier in the season, returned to the AC repair story with Troy, and continued to develop the Annie/Jeff thing. Also, and not least importantly, there were good laughs. "I need help reacting to something" was my favourite.

the ending of the britta plot felt like it was developed from some 'girls only like assholes' nice guy(tm) bullshit

I think it was more "lack of self-consciousness is attractive".

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 13 April 2012 23:30 (twelve years ago) link

i think there should be a rule that people refer to television episodes "friends"-style ('that one where they...') rather than use their actual titles cuz i never know those.

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Friday, 13 April 2012 23:53 (twelve years ago) link

Some fall-off, not unsalvageable. They should have picked a funnier subject than Biology.

Träumerei, Saturday, 14 April 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link

Ha, I forgot that they were taking biology together! Has that class even come up since the first couple of episodes?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 14 April 2012 00:04 (twelve years ago) link

im probably the 20th person to say this in this thread but besides the occasionally funny pun they pretty much ruined chang eh

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 14 April 2012 00:05 (twelve years ago) link

I think it was more "lack of self-consciousness is attractive".

i was talking more about the one-nice-text-from-nice-guy-troy-immediately-turns-britta-off thing and then annie becoming a writer mouthpiece even though she's in love with jeff.

anyway does anyone else just feel like the hiatus has had a negative effect on the episodes? harmon was talking about how there's a definite difference in tone because the staff was all bummed. imo these post-hiatus eps just haven't been as good. your agreement/disagreement probably hinges on whether or not you enjoyed the pillow fight civil war (it didn't do much for me).

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Saturday, 14 April 2012 00:14 (twelve years ago) link

imo last night was way way better than the other episodes since they came back (which i wasn't gonna hate on itt because this thread had enough drama but really some of those were pretty depressing)

some dude, Saturday, 14 April 2012 00:54 (twelve years ago) link

i just watched the ken burns one, it was pretty blah i thought aside from some good jokes. like ppl said upthread not going FULL ken burns style kinda ruined the joke.

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:01 (twelve years ago) link

oh boy you are about to be the brunt of a slew of sarcastic posts from a one mr. deric haircare

You'll be very pleased to know that I've been effectively dissuaded from ever again commenting on this show on ILX. Congratulations!

DRANGUS (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:04 (twelve years ago) link

we broke u

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:04 (twelve years ago) link

"Digital Exploration of Interior Design" (the 1984 one) was up there with their best. Otherwise, some dude OTM.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:05 (twelve years ago) link

i feel like i missed that one what happened in it

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:09 (twelve years ago) link

the episode names are so obnoxious

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:14 (twelve years ago) link

s1ocki: It's the one where a person is enabled to represent the 'collective humanity' of Subway Inc, enrols as a student, and then has a relationship with Britta? I think it's still up on the Citytv site.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago) link

(Yeah, it is.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago) link

(It's better than that description sounds.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:39 (twelve years ago) link

x-post can we just have some kind of shorthand for this kind of talk so we don't have to read the 200th iteration of it? Like NAGAS2: Not as good as Season 2.

President Keyes, Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:46 (twelve years ago) link

i did see that one, it was ok

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Saturday, 14 April 2012 01:48 (twelve years ago) link

Wait a minute, didn't they film all these, along with the other ones, before the hiatus? I can't really think of a way to find this out but I was under the impression they write and shoot these all in one block.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 14 April 2012 02:27 (twelve years ago) link

I was under the impression the hiatus was pretty much a scheduling thing. Does anyone here work in TV? How is a show like this shot? I imagine they shot this entire season last fall before airing the first ep.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 14 April 2012 02:33 (twelve years ago) link

only part of the last episode that bugged me was pierce/chang. This is the second time they've had a non diagetic song play while someone gets pointlessly emotional with Chang (remember Britta and "Hello"?) and it's just beneath them.

da croupier, Saturday, 14 April 2012 02:34 (twelve years ago) link

xp harmon said that the eps we saw after the hiatus were all written and filmed after it had started. unless i'm misremembering.

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Saturday, 14 April 2012 02:36 (twelve years ago) link

I'm a big Ken Jeong defendant but it feels like the writers have no sense of Chang's character beyond incoherent wackiness at this point, would not be upset if they got rid of him.

da croupier, Saturday, 14 April 2012 02:37 (twelve years ago) link

lol defender, I mean

da croupier, Saturday, 14 April 2012 02:37 (twelve years ago) link

usually network television starts shooting about 6-8 weeks before the first episode airs. Show is usually 3-4 episodes "ahead" of the airing. So the first 4 or so of these episodes would have been in the can before the hiatus was announced. iirc.

Clay, Saturday, 14 April 2012 03:11 (twelve years ago) link

I wonder how much they can really build Chang's character, given that of all of them, he's the one most likely to need to drop out at a second's notice to go and be in a film somewhere. Or maybe I'm giving them too much credit and actually they've just run out of ideas for him, but they don't want to get rid of him because he's a marquee name.

trishyb, Saturday, 14 April 2012 07:44 (twelve years ago) link

that might be true, although i have less of a problem with them developing the character than other people. he was funniest as a teacher but i don't begrudge them for trying other things. if the rumors that he's going to die this season are true, hopefully he'll have a funny death. otherwise, i hope they find some way to make him a teacher again.

some dude, Saturday, 14 April 2012 08:12 (twelve years ago) link

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2f8jtf0TC1qe44s7o1_500.jpg

trishyb, Saturday, 14 April 2012 09:42 (twelve years ago) link

Chang was the best thing about the show in S1 and was very funny in S2 especially when he was rooming with Jeff but his character isn't working at the moment because he by and large isn't interacting with the study group at all. There was an absolute shitload of comic mileage in Pierce and Chang being BFFs and they kind of sidelined it.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Saturday, 14 April 2012 11:04 (twelve years ago) link

harmon said that the eps we saw after the hiatus were all written and filmed after it had started. unless i'm misremembering.

Ganz and Brie and Brown and Jacobs have all said that almost all of the post-hiatus episodes were made while they were on hiatus - everyone has talked about how it was odd to be making the show in a feedback vacuum, when they're used to be getting instant responses on twitter and AV Club comment sections and the like.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Saturday, 14 April 2012 11:42 (twelve years ago) link

Yes, writing staffs on sitcoms create jokes. "Fans" of the sticom laugh, "everyone else" doesn't.

da croupier, Saturday, 14 April 2012 12:34 (twelve years ago) link

I guess there are some shows where the "fans" are just lazily watching cuz it's the best thing on at that hour.

da croupier, Saturday, 14 April 2012 12:35 (twelve years ago) link

That explains most of the CBS comedies tbh

an independent online phenomenon (DJP), Saturday, 14 April 2012 12:49 (twelve years ago) link

this was my favourite episode since they came back, probably i hate women

i like that someone bothered to diagram the ending gag

thomp, Saturday, 14 April 2012 13:04 (twelve years ago) link

not a brilliant episode, but there were some great touches and lines, and it wasn't terrible in any way.

i need to stop reading ilx tv threads, they seem populated with dudes who are itching to be the first person who noticed when a TV show 'jumped the shark' and its affecting the discourse negatively.

also deric, i love you, but you ARE ljagger's american cousin, right?

I accidentally sonned your dome (stevie), Sunday, 15 April 2012 08:41 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah how you guys can muster the enthusiasm to have this mindnumbingly tedious "has this show got worse or is it just me?" argument every week is beyond me. FWIW the run of episodes from Elementary Chaos Theory up until Christmas is one of the best in the show's history.

I quite liked this as a group dynamics episode actually, there was something refreshing about seeing them all just sitting round the study room table, which we haven't seen in a while, with the Dean coming in wearing a stupid outfit with an irrelevant announcement. Also I felt sorry for Troy at the end.

Kinda think that Vice-Dean Laybourne needs to come face-to-face with Jeff and Britta at some point, given that Britta could probably get Troy into the air conditioning repair school at this point. Also I had the batshit notion the other day that the Vice-Dean might actually be Jeff's dad, given that they are kind of the big and small parallel villains of this series.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Sunday, 15 April 2012 09:40 (twelve years ago) link

Enjoyed that one; plenty of good gags. My mileage on Community really depends on the joke quality/quantity, rather than whether it's a conceptual ep or not. And also whether Troy gets something fun to do.

FWIW I feel like the show's been super inconsistent since the animated episode last season, but it's still one of my favourite things on. This ambulance-chasing need to be the first fan to proclaim a shark-jump is super tiresome.

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 15 April 2012 13:07 (twelve years ago) link

fwiw this is the FIRST time i've stopped in on this thread to have that mindnumbingly tedious argument

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Sunday, 15 April 2012 16:30 (twelve years ago) link

The posts of people saying "Community jumped the shark" is outnumbered by the posts of people saying "Why are all these people saying this show jumped the shark?" by at least 20 to 1. 10 to 1 if you count anybody saying anything bad about an episode.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 15 April 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

Community could get worse, but truly jumping the shark - producing episodes that have NOTHING to do with what people watch the show for - would be pretty hard. Whether the show gets too caught up in character romance, or devolves to Family Guy parody, people do watch the show for both shipping and parody.

da croupier, Sunday, 15 April 2012 17:59 (twelve years ago) link

i need to stop reading ilx tv threads, they seem populated with dudes who are itching to be the first person who noticed when a TV show 'jumped the shark' and its affecting the discourse negatively.

― I accidentally sonned your dome (stevie), Sunday, April 15, 2012 4:41 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah as much as people around here decry the new school of TV fanboy culture, "their first album was better" syndrome manifesting itself in TV convos is even worse.

some dude, Sunday, 15 April 2012 19:28 (twelve years ago) link

ehh who cares

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Sunday, 15 April 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

sometimes things get better and sometimes they get worse, esp in tv, ppl will always be around to point that out, that shouldnt preclude any discussion imho

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Sunday, 15 April 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link

Community has gotten worse, then better, then worse, then better so many times it's pretty unlucrative to keep charting it. It's not like on one particular week everyone involved with the show is going to stop knowing how to write a joke. But will they get tired and uninspired from time to time? Of course.

President Keyes, Sunday, 15 April 2012 22:50 (twelve years ago) link

Some of us don't see it that way. To me, it does seem that there has been a drop in quality this season that has gotten worse since the mid-season break. Even some of the stronger recent episodes are missing some of what drew me to the show previously. I have the DVDs of s1 and watched them quite recently so I don't think it's just nostalgia.

It's not like on one particular week everyone involved with the show is going to stop knowing how to write a joke. But will they get tired and uninspired from time to time? Of course.

You've never known e.g. of a band that got worse over time even though they still remembered how to play their instruments?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 15 April 2012 23:59 (twelve years ago) link

But a band suddenly starts to suck from the beginning of recording one album until the end? Also, a band with like 25 equally good songwriters? Never heard of such a thing.

President Keyes, Monday, 16 April 2012 01:31 (twelve years ago) link

Also, the ssn 3 episodes are funnier to me than the ssn 1 ones--so this might be a subjective thing. Anyone who says the craft was there in ssns 1 & 2 but not in ssn 3 is I think a bit on their own planet.

President Keyes, Monday, 16 April 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago) link

oh god guys i'm sorry i gave you the "first album" metaphor to play with, i should've known it'd be dangerous

some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 01:37 (twelve years ago) link

Of course my whole point was that comparing such things is dumb, so lump me into the idiocy.

President Keyes, Monday, 16 April 2012 01:37 (twelve years ago) link

imo the craft and the humor are still there as ever, but what i loved about the show early on was the light touch with the meta stuff and the format-breaking, it's kinda slowly gone from self-aware to self-conscious in a way that makes what once felt playful and effortless into something a little more transparently willful

some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago) link

the thing to keep in mind in all of these discussions is that this is an American sitcom on a major network. As banal as that fact is--what standard are you holding this show to?
Are there any British sitcoms that have cranked out 75 great episodes in 3 years' time? Or is there more than one (P&R) American one that has done anything of similar quality?

I just think the standards here are unreasonably high. If the slight lag in quality affects your enjoyment so much, just stop watching.

President Keyes, Monday, 16 April 2012 01:52 (twelve years ago) link

i ain't mad or anything, still look forward to it every week, just saying i do feel like there has been a change that's more nuanced than just "it's not as funny" or w/e. and there's nothing wrong with holding a show to whatever bar it sets for itself.

some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 01:57 (twelve years ago) link

imo the craft and the humor are still there as ever, but what i loved about the show early on was the light touch with the meta stuff and the format-breaking, it's kinda slowly gone from self-aware to self-conscious in a way that makes what once felt playful and effortless into something a little more transparently willful

― some dude, Sunday, April 15, 2012 9:41 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think i agree with this

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 16 April 2012 04:15 (twelve years ago) link

One thing I didn't really get about the last episode is: isn't Andre the guy Shirley just remarried? Unless she's already unhappy, why would Andre be her equivalent for Blade?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 16 April 2012 04:48 (twelve years ago) link

(And, yeah, on second viewing, the Pierce/Chang plotline is pretty weak.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 16 April 2012 04:51 (twelve years ago) link

the only stipulation for "blade" = the one person you can't resist no matter what. shirley said she lucked out with hers, and you can psychoanalyze that with whatever approach you choose.

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 16 April 2012 05:04 (twelve years ago) link

shirley said she lucked out with hers

Oh, I guess I missed that.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 16 April 2012 05:06 (twelve years ago) link

Related to earlier discourse: Wow, I remember back when we just watched shows we liked and didn't do week by week scorekeeping. We even tried to embrace Beau the Southern Sweathog, but that just was not going to happen without a regular Barbarino presence. LOL I AM OLD AND BORING

@GracieLoPan #fyi (Display Name (this cannot be changed):), Monday, 16 April 2012 05:25 (twelve years ago) link

this thread

thomp, Monday, 16 April 2012 07:17 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah this thread was def better during season 2

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 16 April 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link

haha

some dude, Monday, 16 April 2012 15:57 (twelve years ago) link

Cool.

x 5 (natch)

"Fourvel - it's like Fievel, but one less." (R Baez), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:05 (twelve years ago) link

too serious. go back to lols, please.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 20 April 2012 03:49 (twelve years ago) link

Did not enjoy.*

*This admission does not mean that I think the show is tanking or that S3 is any less funny than the other two seasons. I just kind of nod off when they go too deep into Abedland.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 20 April 2012 04:33 (twelve years ago) link

there was good stuff here. also the Dean was welcome relief at the end there.

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Friday, 20 April 2012 04:47 (twelve years ago) link

First-rate! The Dean's subsubplot was amazing.

Träumerei, Friday, 20 April 2012 11:55 (twelve years ago) link

"I saw eagles."

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Friday, 20 April 2012 12:50 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, this episode was more about world-building, which if fine, even if it didn't bring as many laughs per minute. But Jim Rash is an absolute hero this season.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 20 April 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link

His outfit at the beginning of the episode was amazing.

Was Annie supposed to be the Leela of Inspector Spacetime?

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 20 April 2012 13:48 (twelve years ago) link

The image with "community's writing staff, fans, everyone else" up thread a little was all I could think about during this episode.

Evan, Friday, 20 April 2012 13:54 (twelve years ago) link

It was not a great episode, for sure.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 20 April 2012 13:55 (twelve years ago) link

Imagine tuning in halfway through the episode, thinking you'll just try to get up to speed?

Evan, Friday, 20 April 2012 13:59 (twelve years ago) link

I hope Jim Rash gets nominated for an Emmy, he was just killing me

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Friday, 20 April 2012 14:02 (twelve years ago) link

also the more I think about this episode, the more I like it

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Friday, 20 April 2012 14:02 (twelve years ago) link

Totally loved this. But I did think that if this was anyone's first Community episode, they'd be hella confused.

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 20 April 2012 14:05 (twelve years ago) link

i liked this more than last week. as everyone has already said, jim rash was amazing - his self-realization about how over-the-top he was being made me laugh harder than anything else in the show.

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 20 April 2012 14:26 (twelve years ago) link

A year ago I thought the Dean was the least funny main character but he absolutely kills it in every scene he's in now.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:05 (twelve years ago) link

he's had so many hilarious deliveries this season; I still crack up when I think about his delighted "That's me!" when he saw the cartoon of him during Shirley's/Pierce's presentation

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:06 (twelve years ago) link

who cares about these non-existing new fans. this was terrific.

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 20 April 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago) link

My comment was just referring to times that I've come into an episode late and had no clue what was happening. This one would have been no hope.

Evan, Friday, 20 April 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link

I still crack up when I think about his delighted "That's me!"

Yes! The image itself and his reaction is a personal favorite.

"Fourvel - it's like Fievel, but one less." (R Baez), Friday, 20 April 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link

Dan Harmon ‏ @danharmon

Wow. You guys really liked that episode. Agreed, not one for newbies. Good news: our ratings will STILL be a random number between 0 and 3!

I haven't seen it yet, but I love this.

da croupier, Friday, 20 April 2012 18:13 (twelve years ago) link

The Dean is like the Jenna Maroney of this show, started out really kind of blandly annoying but now one of the best parts

Nhex, Friday, 20 April 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link

Huh, what's up with the Citytv video player?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link

This was a bit like the Claymation episode for me - I was sitting there so impressed with what they were doing that I didn't much care that I wasn't laughing that much. That said, Alison Brie absolutely killed it in this one.

I feel a bit sad we didn't see much of Troy and Britta's date though.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Friday, 20 April 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link

THIS-> I still crack up when I think about his delighted "That's me!"

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link

I keep expecting an "evil holodeck creations run amok" episode involving evil Troy and evil Abed. Maybe that's too predictable.

Träumerei, Friday, 20 April 2012 21:34 (twelve years ago) link

guys, please stop trying to make cross-dimensional Community happen

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Friday, 20 April 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

Brilliant.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 20 April 2012 22:38 (twelve years ago) link

i hate the 'Abed makes high pitched noise and goes catatonic when upset' thing they've started doing this season, so so awful

some dude, Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:20 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah, I don't like that shit either. Some cool stuff in the episode though.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:16 (twelve years ago) link

Odds on Abed and Annie hooking up by the end of the season?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 April 2012 08:20 (twelve years ago) link

i don't think a story where abed magically learns what empathy is is a great look. points for trying, though, i guess. -- jim rash's two minutes were just fantastic, though.

thomp, Saturday, 21 April 2012 09:37 (twelve years ago) link

like i feel like there's a lot closed down by going from 'abed is on the spectrum but not to such an extent you wouldn't just take him as being a weird kid sometimes' to 'abed is magically autistic'; it seems weird and distasteful that they retconned his being okay with girls. (in part i'm just not enamored of the narrative possibilities created by making troy and abed function as exaggerated/hyperreal troy and abed all of the time, which setting them up in a blanket fort kind of tends to.) (though i did really enjoy their 'being normal', so i dunno.) (i am sharing my thoughts about the sitcom community on the internet.)

thomp, Saturday, 21 April 2012 09:49 (twelve years ago) link

otm

some dude, Saturday, 21 April 2012 10:44 (twelve years ago) link

Odds on Abed and Annie hooking up by the end of the season?

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Clay, Saturday, 21 April 2012 11:24 (twelve years ago) link

I dunno, I think they've been pretty overt about Troy being torn between wanting to be half of exaggerated/hyperreal Troy & Abed and wanting to be the cool guy who gets girls and is respected as a man by Jeff. But being torn between the cool guy and the nerd has kind of been Troy's thing all along.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Saturday, 21 April 2012 11:27 (twelve years ago) link

i'm expecting the series finale to cross over with that of Fringe

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 21 April 2012 12:02 (twelve years ago) link

like i feel like there's a lot closed down by going from 'abed is on the spectrum but not to such an extent you wouldn't just take him as being a weird kid sometimes' to 'abed is magically autistic'; it seems weird and distasteful that they retconned his being okay with girls.

Actually agree with this.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 April 2012 13:36 (twelve years ago) link

I was impressed by what they were doing but you're right: I never thought of him as devoid of empathy before. In fact, the s1 episode where he could make films that consistently showed what everyone in the group would do before they actually did it (because he was a "student of human nature") seemed to suggest quite the opposite. He also never really seemed to have the attitude that other people function at a lower level. They seem to be pushing him into Sheldon Cooper territory. (The "making high-pitched noises and going catatonic" thing seems to fit this too.)

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Perhaps. They made out in s2 and came close in s1. Annie's starting to get over Jeff now and Abed seemed impressed by her 'commitment' in the dreamatorium.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 April 2012 13:52 (twelve years ago) link

I want to type the word "seem" one more time.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 April 2012 13:53 (twelve years ago) link

Abed was dating some girl for a few eps too.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 April 2012 14:41 (twelve years ago) link

How did "Abed doesn't want other people to tinker with group dynamics because he's afraid everyone will outgrow him" get interpreted as "Abed is incapable of meeting or talking to women"?

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Saturday, 21 April 2012 16:27 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah where did i say that?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 April 2012 16:44 (twelve years ago) link

I think people are interpreting this wrongly maybe - the episode's as much about Annie as it is about Abed, I don't think it's really about Abed lacking and then magically gaining empathy at all. It's about the two characters not being able to relate to one another on a one-to-one basis - Abed gets butthurt because Annie accuses him of lacking empathy and then overcompensates by putting himself in the mind of the everyone else in the group. But in doing so he draws a lot out of Annie as well that we haven't heard before and maybe Annie hasn't realised and shows that Annie has her own empathy issues as well, with the two characters meeting in the middle at the end. We've already seen from the psychometric test early in the season that Abed's the psychologically balanced and least sociopathic one.

This was much funnier on the second viewing - Fake Troy on the truth serum cracked me up.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Saturday, 21 April 2012 17:36 (twelve years ago) link

Jeff, Shirley, Pierce and Annie are all pretty lacking in empathy in one way or another.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Saturday, 21 April 2012 17:38 (twelve years ago) link

truth serum Troy was def by far the highlight of the ep (aside from the dean)

i think you're right about a lot of the basic Abed/Annie stuff in the episode but that doesn't change the fact that Abed never bugged his eyes out and made a high pitched whine whenever someone sat in his spot on the couch something upset him in the first 2 seasons.

some dude, Saturday, 21 April 2012 18:21 (twelve years ago) link

Abed/Annie stuff in the episode but that doesn't change the fact that Abed never bugged his eyes out and made a high pitched whine whenever someone sat in his spot on the couch something upset him in the first 2 seasons.

I haven't seen this week's episode but I swear to god I saw him do the whine thing before

da croupier, Saturday, 21 April 2012 18:32 (twelve years ago) link

he did it when the british show britta introduced him to ended and she turned him onto inspector spacetime to calm him down

Mordy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

I haven't seen this week's episode but I swear to god I saw him do the whine thing before

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he did, it was in the first episode of s3 that also introduced Inspector Spacetime (aka the episode that i will forever shake my fist at)

some dude, Saturday, 21 April 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link

ha yeah i had my issues with that episode, too. knock on wood i'll be able to stand in judgment of this one within the next 12 hours

da croupier, Saturday, 21 April 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link

I haven't seen the new Doctor Who shows but i imagine this was a parody of that. Was it really close, stylistically?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 April 2012 18:41 (twelve years ago) link

If anything it's a parody of old Doctor Who but not a particularly closely observed one.

I agree that Abed's whine is an annoying character development, as is his being borderline aggressive in his obstinacy. I prefer the Abed we saw in the Christmas episode and the first season or so. But I still don't think the writers are doing what Thomp and others are claiming with his character.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Saturday, 21 April 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link

@Danharmon As we say on twitter: Squee! RT @KarenGillan2 Haha! Loving #inspectorspacetime on #community brilliant.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Saturday, 21 April 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link

matt i think yr reading (oy) would be fine without abed's monologue at the end where he explicitly states he has 'learned how to enter the minds of others'

How did "Abed doesn't want other people to tinker with group dynamics because he's afraid everyone will outgrow him" get interpreted as "Abed is incapable of meeting or talking to women"?

― I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Saturday, 21 April 2012 16:27 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

stuff like: the sight gag here which hinges on his being unable to visualise what a couple making out would look like. i would go back and look for other evidence of how they've done this but i mean, then i'd be a person who went back and looked for evidence to argue a point about the sitcom community on the internet

thomp, Saturday, 21 April 2012 19:41 (twelve years ago) link

Abed's ability with women was demonstrated in S2, he just never decides to use it.

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Saturday, 21 April 2012 20:27 (twelve years ago) link

with eliza coupe, no less

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Saturday, 21 April 2012 21:17 (twelve years ago) link

I completely forgot that episode with Coupe!

(But, really his ability was demonstrated in the "billiards" ep in s1.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 April 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link

[ / pedant]

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 April 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

i forgot about that bit with Coupe also. also never realized it was her! damn those shades.

Nhex, Saturday, 21 April 2012 22:07 (twelve years ago) link

Looking forward to a future flashback where Zardoz will feature prominently.

"Fourvel - it's like Fievel, but one less." (R Baez), Saturday, 21 April 2012 23:17 (twelve years ago) link

Imagine tuning in halfway through the episode, thinking you'll just try to get up to speed?
--Evan

This seems like an odd metric

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 21 April 2012 23:59 (twelve years ago) link

the sight gag here which hinges on his being unable to visualise what a couple making out would look like.

Less a sight gag based upon inexperience and more a sight gag based upon the impossibility of showing a couple making out when you're playing both characters.

"Fourvel - it's like Fievel, but one less." (R Baez), Sunday, 22 April 2012 00:58 (twelve years ago) link

stuff like: the sight gag here which hinges on his being unable to visualise what a couple making out would look like. i would go back and look for /other evidence/ of how they've done this but i mean, then i'd be a person who went back and looked for evidence to argue a point about the sitcom /community/ on the internet

You mean the part where Abed was alternating playing the two people making out and was representing making out in an exaggerated manner because he thought the two of them together was a stupid idea?

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Sunday, 22 April 2012 01:09 (twelve years ago) link

Imagine tuning in halfway through the episode, thinking you'll just try to get up to speed?
--Evan
This seems like an odd metric

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, April 21, 2012 7:59 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My comment was just referring to times that I've come into an episode late and had no clue what was happening. This one would have been no hope.

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Evan, Sunday, 22 April 2012 03:24 (twelve years ago) link

You mean the part where Abed was alternating playing the two people making out and was representing making out in an exaggerated manner because he thought the two of them together was a stupid idea?

i meant the awkward patty-cake stuff imaginary troy and britta are doing when they start that scene, before abed is playing either of them

thomp, Sunday, 22 April 2012 07:25 (twelve years ago) link

i hope they don't turn that whine into Abed's catchphrase, and that last little speech to the camera was clumsy to the point where I wonder if it was tacked on (possibly as a sop to the folks who worry about new viewers wanting clarity and lessons and whatnot), but otherwise I liked the ambition of the episode a lot and saw the whole abed/annie thing as Matt DC did.

da croupier, Sunday, 22 April 2012 11:36 (twelve years ago) link

I know the "empathy" thing hits all the "wait is abed autistic or not" buzzers, but in context the lesson for abed could just be that his self-righteousness is not necessarily more valid than Annie's.

da croupier, Sunday, 22 April 2012 11:39 (twelve years ago) link

Abed's catchphrase is "cool" x 4 or 5

President Keyes, Sunday, 22 April 2012 12:07 (twelve years ago) link

Abed isn't autistic, he's just weird.

You mean the part where Abed was alternating playing the two people making out and was representing making out in an exaggerated manner because he thought the two of them together was a stupid idea?

I couldn't really follow what was happening by this point but I'd assumed that one of them was Annie and the other was Abed and they were both still half-heartedly in the Dreamatorium and would have actually made out under those circumstances. But you might well be right.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Sunday, 22 April 2012 12:35 (twelve years ago) link

WouldN'T actually have made out, I mean.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Sunday, 22 April 2012 12:37 (twelve years ago) link

I think it's fairly clear that Abed was playing both of them. You can hear his voice when he mimics 'make out' sounds from each one. Both of them talk to Annie (still in her "Constable Leela" costume) when she asks "You think this is what I want?" (Britta asks "What do you want?")

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 22 April 2012 13:42 (twelve years ago) link

Abed actually shows remarkable insight into Annie's own thoughts and feelings in this episode so, yeah, I don't really know what to make of the "empathy" speech.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 22 April 2012 14:06 (twelve years ago) link

One part I found affecting is when he reveals he thinks everyone's going to get sick of him. It's that thing where people feel free to act judgmental and superior because they can't imagine anyone being hurt by what they think. He plays mind-games with Annie to try and teach her lesson, comes away realizing he can be a dick. The speech is awkwardly written - I don't always get the difference between sympathy and empathy right either - but I think the episode was nuanced enough that I don't need to damn it for ruining Abed or anything.

da croupier, Sunday, 22 April 2012 15:24 (twelve years ago) link

It's that thing where people feel free to act judgmental and superior because they can't imagine anyone being hurt by what they think.

to be clearer, I mean people feel free to act superior because they can't imagine one cares what they think. It's self-loathing, not sociopathy.

da croupier, Sunday, 22 April 2012 15:25 (twelve years ago) link

ha actually i have no idea if that made anything clearer, sorry

da croupier, Sunday, 22 April 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link

what do u feel about the part where abed cuts annie off financially bc he wants to buy a lake house?

Mordy, Sunday, 22 April 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link

i feel u could have written the joke better

da croupier, Sunday, 22 April 2012 15:29 (twelve years ago) link

what a poorly formed analysis

Mordy, Sunday, 22 April 2012 15:31 (twelve years ago) link

buttered noodles

j., Sunday, 22 April 2012 17:07 (twelve years ago) link

This episode sucked. How many "we're lost in Abed's immutable subconscious fantasy world" eps will we get?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 April 2012 02:27 (twelve years ago) link

pretty mutable imo

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Monday, 23 April 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago) link

Ya more or less the definition of

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 23 April 2012 03:56 (twelve years ago) link

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Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Monday, 23 April 2012 08:41 (twelve years ago) link

Oh, I just immutable in the sense that when something shifts in Abed's world, he shuts down. We've seen this before - Christmas ep, introduction of "Inspector Space Time" primal scream ...

Clearly Abed can change because he is a TV character. Anyway, this ep was spinning wheels, which is <<< spinning plates, which this show does better.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 April 2012 11:36 (twelve years ago) link

They've been teasing a Dreamatorium episode for awhile now, though. I think they thought fans wanted this. (And a lot probably did.)

President Keyes, Monday, 23 April 2012 13:15 (twelve years ago) link

fans are idiots

j., Monday, 23 April 2012 13:35 (twelve years ago) link

Does this mean we are guaranteed an Evil Abed kidnaps Abed in the Dreamatorium and Troy has to lead the group through it to rescue his friend episode? Perhaps confronting Evil Troy in the process?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 April 2012 13:36 (twelve years ago) link

Shhh! Dan Harmon might hear you.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 23 April 2012 14:24 (twelve years ago) link

i miss the days when the show's idea of fan service was Alison Brie running in slow motion

Poor Turrican (some dude), Monday, 23 April 2012 14:37 (twelve years ago) link

STOP TRYING TO MAKE MULTIDIMENSIONAL COMMUNITY HAPPEN

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Monday, 23 April 2012 14:50 (twelve years ago) link

some dude otm

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 April 2012 15:26 (twelve years ago) link

the only dimensions i care about are alison brie's, am i right!!!!!!!

max, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link

anyway this last episode sucked, all their nerd ambitious shit sucks, except for the first paintball episode, just be a funny regular sitcom please

max, Monday, 23 April 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link

I like their nerd ambitions. No one else is going to do quantum theory or My Dinner With Andre

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:15 (twelve years ago) link

max otm

i kind of think abed is my least favorite character

y'tulip, y'pea-brained earwig (donna rouge), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:18 (twelve years ago) link

some of the great ambitious old episodes feel like a scathing critique of where the show is going now imo

Abed: We need a Jesus movie for the post-post-modern world.
Shirley: Like… Jesus as a rapper?
Abed: No. I want to tell the story of Jesus from the perspective of a filmmaker exploring the life of Jesus.
Shirley: That sounds… very appealing to filmmakers.
Abed: See, in the filmmaker's film, Jesus is a filmmaker trying to find God with his camera. But then the filmmaker realizes that he's actually Jesus and he's being filmed by God's camera. And it goes like that forever in both directions like a mirror in a mirror because all of the filmmakers are Jesus and all of their cameras are God. And the movie's called ABED - all-caps. Filmmaking beyond film. A meta-film. My masterpiece.
Shirley: … I don't like it…
Abed: You're reacting the way the world did to Jesus.
Shirley: I'm reacting the way the world does to movies about making movies about making movies! I mean, come on, Charlie Kaufman, some of us have work in the morning, damn!

Poor Turrican (some dude), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:26 (twelve years ago) link

i thought this ep was pretty amazing so haters to the left

stay in school if you want to kiw (Gukbe), Monday, 23 April 2012 16:29 (twelve years ago) link

i remembering finding the casual reference to Charlie Kaufman to be pretty questionable, but what the hey, it was funny

Nhex, Monday, 23 April 2012 16:34 (twelve years ago) link

I found this episode kind of embarrassing to watch.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 23 April 2012 16:37 (twelve years ago) link

that's what happens when your audience is 98% hulu- and smartphone-based, all concern for the shame of a livingroom-based audience goes out the window.

j., Monday, 23 April 2012 16:40 (twelve years ago) link

Maybe Abed is just super high all the time and everyone just thinks he's weird.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 April 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link

He opens the Dreamatorium closet to reveal...a massive hydropronic growing operation.

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 23 April 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link

thought this ep was fine, if anything bothered me it was alison brie's seriousface acting and the silly special effects

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:15 (twelve years ago) link

i hate the visual effects in a lot of the recent episodes -- didn't say anything about this one because for all i know they were a crappy-on-purpose Dr. Who homage but like the thing with Jeff Winger's heart, that was so lame

Poor Turrican (some dude), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:18 (twelve years ago) link

I was assuming/hoping they were deliberately referencing the goofy datedness of old Dr Who. Agree about Jeff's heart, especially considering how well-done "Abed's Uncontrollable Christmas" was.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link

when something shifts in Abed's world, he shuts down. We've seen this before - Christmas ep, introduction of "Inspector Space Time" primal scream ...

I do think that someone's Mum not coming home for Christmas for the first time is a more significant shift than the cancellation of a TV show or someone adjust some cardboard boxes in a Dreamatorium control room, which is a reason why I feel like the character might be changing a little.

Da croupier probably OTM though.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

"adjusting"

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:31 (twelve years ago) link

oh, i wasn't talking about that, i meant the abed-switching-bodies effect xp

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:33 (twelve years ago) link

okay does anyone REALLY think Abed was having an actual meltdown when Annie switched the boxes around? I thought it was pretty obvious he was just following the dreamatorium rules to their (ridiculous) logical conclusion while making a point about how he eventually expects the study group to ditch him

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

doesn't matter -- he did the same thing in the end credits scene, and troy didn't respond as if he was doing it on purpose to make a point

Poor Turrican (some dude), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link

i don't think he was having a meltdown, but anyone who follows dreamatorium rules to their ridiculous logical conclusion may not be as far as from one as he thinks

da croupier, Monday, 23 April 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link

i just miss when abed was secretly the most confident and together person in the group instead of winger

Poor Turrican (some dude), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah i think having an actual meltdown and having one because you are following the rules of the dreamatorium are sort of one and the same.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link

tbh, throwaway gags that are easily diverted by other characters don't bother me that much so I'm not super invested in arguing character consistency here but, given that we've seen Abed pull a My Dinner With Andre manipulation on Jeff, watched him push around Troy re: the pillow/blanket fort battle, seen him take Shirley's movie for church off on a narcissistic tangent, I wouldn't be surprised to learn later on down the line that Abed's "losing it" is just a ploy to get the group to do what he wants

mind you, I'm not EXPECTING that; I just wouldn't be surprised

xp: right now, the most confident, together person in the group is Shirley!

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link

This is the Soultaker of threads.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 23 April 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link

I don't think they've done a good job of explaining why Britta/Troy are dating now. It seems like it all happened in the background, or was communicated entirely through a few glances in the last few episodes. And their date looked like a TERRIBLE date.

polyphonic, Monday, 23 April 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link

Britta/Troy attraction goes back to S1 when they took that dance class together; also they did some foundational work on that relationship in the chaos theory episode

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Monday, 23 April 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link

they just had lunch. it's not at all clear they are dating, although they clearly like each other.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 23 April 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link

It would actually make sense if Abed was just play-acting in the Dreamatorium, especially since he got up quickly and did a dead-on Jeff impression but as sd notes, he did the same thing when Annie rearranged their room, which is probably a better example.

i just miss when abed was secretly the most confident and together person in the group instead of winger

OTM! This is my issue!

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 23 April 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link

he's an OCD Fonz wrapped inside a riddle wrapped in an enigma

da croupier, Monday, 23 April 2012 21:12 (twelve years ago) link

I am still cracking up at "the version of myself that would go over there and talk to her would be a vampire" joke from S1

I need new, hip khakis (DJP), Monday, 23 April 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link

This is the Soultaker of threads.

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I accidentally sonned your dome (stevie), Monday, 23 April 2012 22:18 (twelve years ago) link

This ep was great, you're all on a lower level.

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 13:58 (twelve years ago) link

Last episode was pretty wack, trying to do too much. Loved the blanket fort two-parter though, and the blade one was decent (mainly for lots of crazy Britta and lots of Dean).

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Tuesday, 24 April 2012 14:07 (twelve years ago) link

DUDES. Skip to 2:20 (or just watch the whole thing why because it's awesome).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlZv2cpLReM

Am I the only one who didn't know this?

Dr. Buzzard's® Original Banana Bread (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link

Wow, in many ways Yette is the least omg thing about this artifact.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link

ha I had no idea she went to the University of Akron

I wonder if any of my cousins know her

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link

I misread that as the University of Akon.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 17:49 (eleven years ago) link

I am still cracking up at "the version of myself that would go over there and talk to her would be a vampire" joke from S1

OTM

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 April 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link

"Uniform!"

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 April 2012 00:18 (eleven years ago) link

okay lol

also, aw Starburns

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 27 April 2012 00:28 (eleven years ago) link

Wow - they nailed every aspect.

ALSO: Eddie Pepitone!

"Fourvel - it's like Fievel, but one less." (R Baez), Friday, 27 April 2012 00:33 (eleven years ago) link

when they went to the bio lab and the L&O ME was there, I was beside myself

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 27 April 2012 00:38 (eleven years ago) link

theme song was the best part

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 00:56 (eleven years ago) link

Dean in the credits tag was one of the funniest things of the season.

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 27 April 2012 01:48 (eleven years ago) link

nailed it

balls, Friday, 27 April 2012 01:59 (eleven years ago) link

Loved it!

Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 27 April 2012 06:54 (eleven years ago) link

can a biased mod please threadban any joyless bastards who come in here moping about anything to do with this delightful episode?

PS

ALSO: Eddie Pepitone!

Pepitone's been in as a janitor before, in at least one ep

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Friday, 27 April 2012 10:10 (eleven years ago) link

this episode sucked

thomp, Friday, 27 April 2012 11:02 (eleven years ago) link

When I first heard this was going to be a Law & Order style episode, I was sort of concerned that it might not work, but goddamn they nailed it. Fantastic episode.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 27 April 2012 13:40 (eleven years ago) link

i liked this one! preferred the first half (the order part) to the second half (the law part).

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 27 April 2012 14:36 (eleven years ago) link

i think it says something about me that i laugh EVERY SINGLE TIME they use magnitude

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:15 (eleven years ago) link

The cutaway to them summarizing everything he'd said and then him offering only a pop pop was pretty great.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 27 April 2012 16:16 (eleven years ago) link

RIP Starburns aka "Alex"

LaMonte, Friday, 27 April 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link

It really nailed every aspect of an L&O episode in a half an hour.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 27 April 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link

Really enjoyed this even though I never watched L&O. Troy and Abed were on fire. Yam-boiling thing was v clever.

B-b-but they killed off Starburns! They'll have to bring him back somehow.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 27 April 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link

totally. there was an insane perfection to the autopsy scene, in its rhythms and the way they were turning away and the ME made the comment about it sprouting.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Friday, 27 April 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link

Last scene when Kane announces Star-Burns' meth truck explosion was precision L&O

Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 27 April 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link

otm

didn't dino say on wtf or somewhere that he doesn't really like acting and didn't want to be on the show and starburns was only supposed to be a one-off joke

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 27 April 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link

guess he wants to concentrate more on frankenhole :/

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link

that's... troubling

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 27 April 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link

it's no moral oral

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, I LOVED Morel Orel but Frankenhole is pretty weak.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link

NBC got the hat trick last night, community, P&R and 30 rock were all fantastic!

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link

Office was pretty good too, but nobody cares.

Raymond Dubious Davies (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 April 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link

Office wasn't so great

Mordy, Friday, 27 April 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link

I haven't been watching it much this season, but watched it last night and found it kind of painful.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 27 April 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link

every scene I accidentally see of the office has at least a dozen people in it

da croupier, Friday, 27 April 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link

The costumes were perfect. So many great details. The hot dog cart. The prosecutorial moral dilemma. The twists.

s.clover, Saturday, 28 April 2012 00:39 (eleven years ago) link

didn't dino say on wtf or somewhere that he doesn't really like acting and didn't want to be on the show and starburns was only supposed to be a one-off joke

Copy/pasting from http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/04/27/community-law-order-death/

Why was Star-Burns taken from Planet Greendale so soon? He had so many more reptiles to station on his body and drug deals to attempt to make! The reason is simple: He asked for it — literally. Dino Stamatopoulos, who plays Star-Burns, is actually a consulting producer and writer on Community, and he requested that his character meet his maker so he could focus on his main job. It’s hard to believe that a scribe who got to moonlight as a cult character on a beloved network TV comedy would ask to be written off, but Stamatopoulos just wasn’t itching to be in the semi-spotlight.
“I’m not an actor,” he explained to EW via email. “I don’t enjoy waiting around for hours on set, I hate when people touch my eyes and neck (make-up department!), I can’t learn lines quickly (yes, even the amount of lines I get), and I don’t need other actors (Joel McHale) asking me why I never got my teeth fixed. There are certain acting roles that I don’t mind doing because I’ll write them and I’ll know how a specific character is supposed to behave. So in those instances, I’m comfortable with performing. The Star-Burns character was basically a conduit for the joke-sideburns and the one-note attitude about not being happy when people called him ‘Star-Burns’. I didn’t have a character in mind so it’s always been an uphill battle for me to perform the part. Yes, he’s been given funny lines, and I suppose the writers made him more like me eventually, but playing yourself is very difficult as well. I really don’t know how people perceive me. Obviously it’s as a scumbag, which is fair because I am, but that doesn’t mean I can play one on TV.”

And he didn’t ask to in the first place — rather, the job found him. At the beginning of season 1, series creator Dan Harmon needed an actor to sit patiently in a chair for hours so the hair and make-up department could figure out a way to pull off those now-famous star-shaped sideburns that initially defined this extremely ancillary character. “To pay an actor to do that was going to be expensive — it was cheaper to make a writer do it,” he says. (Harmon, by the way, declined to comment on that feud with Chevy Chase.) “I called Dino and asked him if he’d do it and he said yes.”

He decided to throw Stamatopoulos on camera in this low-stakes role, and viewers quickly took an interest in Star-Burns. The writers did too: Not only was Star-Burns an amusing visual gag, he represented another point of view in the halls of Greendale. “What I always loved about him was that joke where Jeff (McHale) is ripping on him from afar,” says Community story editor Megan Ganz, the obsessive L&O fan who wrote last night’s episode. “And then you cut over to Star-Burns and Star-Burns is calling Jeff a douchebag. That was the first moment you’re telling the audience, ‘Hey, just because we particularly choose to focus on this group doesn’t make them heroes.’”

No one would call Star-Burns a hero. In fact, he was “the one-man seedy underbelly of Greendale,” as Ganz perfectly sums up, giving drugs to Pierce (Chase) in a Halloween episode (one of Stamatopoulos’ favorite moments), and getting kicked out of biology class after trying unsuccessfully to persuade Prof. Kane to “get a Breaking Bad type of thing going” and venture with him into the drug business. While brainstorming the L&O episode, the writers made the logical choice to make Star-Burns a suspect early on: He confesses to stealing supplies from the classroom for his meth lab. And as they were deciding to include a fatal phone call twist at the end of the episode à la L&O, one man who’d been lobbying to have his character killed off appeared in a lightbulb above their heads.

Not that there wasn’t some hesitation in ridding Greendale of one of its most colorful characters and formidable forces. “My first thought when we talked about killing Star-Burns was, ‘Oh no!’ because the whole point was that each year he was going to have a new affectation,” says Harmon. “I wanted the show to run forever and have the guy turn into this umber hulk covered in branches and monocles and roller blades, and unable to function as a human being because of all these things that identify him. But then I think of Daffy Duck being tiny and grabbing that big pearl and saying, ‘Mine, mine, mine!’ and the clam shell slowly closing, which is how I always perceive people who won’t let go of stuff in the moment. You need to be Bugs Bunny and not Daffy Duck. You took a left turn at Albuquerque, you’re in a genie’s cave, you have to deal with it on the fly. That’s where joy comes from… I keep finding on this show that plans are the antithesis of good TV.”

While Stamatopoulos was a bit disappointed that his demise wasn’t seen on camera (“That would have been cool, but expensive. I can see why they didn’t do it. But I did think it was funny”), he found a certain appeal in Star-Burns being offed as opposed to, say, transferring to an overseas community college. “I thought to myself, ‘If my character dies, I’d be in a very elite group of characters dying on a prime time network show,” he says. “So, that was definitely an attractive prospect for me. It would be me, Coach from Cheers (who really died, gulp) and that guy from Two and a Half Babies.”

He may be dead, but he’s not gone just yet. In next week’s episode, the study group attends his funeral, and we will see him in some sort of “video” form. And McHale wonders if the joke could live on: “My guess is Dan will find a way to make him a ghost and continue to torture him by making him stay on set. Who knows? His twin brother will show up and it’ll be like, ‘What the f—?’”

Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 28 April 2012 00:51 (eleven years ago) link

Wonder if we'll see the return of his son w/ the bluetooth.

"Fourvel - it's like Fievel, but one less." (R Baez), Saturday, 28 April 2012 01:03 (eleven years ago) link

great episode

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 28 April 2012 01:17 (eleven years ago) link

very

some dude, Saturday, 28 April 2012 01:59 (eleven years ago) link

I was watching the draft last night, so I just now got caught up. As a L&O fan since the beginning, this was the finest tribute I could imagine. Not only was it a great tribute, but a great Community episode. I want to marry it. OMG

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 28 April 2012 02:43 (eleven years ago) link

feel like this was a missed opportunity for chang, but i don't really care

mookieproof, Saturday, 28 April 2012 02:47 (eleven years ago) link

probably would've been overkill to tangle up his "not really a cop" jokes with all the other ones going on in the episode. he got to be in those opening credits, though!

some dude, Saturday, 28 April 2012 02:50 (eleven years ago) link

So I guess Starburns is the death that was mentioned earlier in the season and Ken Jeong is around for a while yet?

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 28 April 2012 02:56 (eleven years ago) link

I laughed at Chang standing next to Michael K Williams' desk, just dead-eyed, slack-jawed, and slightly out of focus, during the court scenes, but I don't think it was supposed to be funny.

congratulations (n/a), Saturday, 28 April 2012 03:01 (eleven years ago) link

There's a significant sorta-spoiler in that EW piece, re: how Starburns' death affects the rest of the season.

"Fourvel - it's like Fievel, but one less." (R Baez), Saturday, 28 April 2012 03:02 (eleven years ago) link

Said spoiler was revealed in the post-hiatus teaser montage, though.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 28 April 2012 04:07 (eleven years ago) link

"Sorry about my partner. He's been on edge since we switched."

Had to watch this again tonight.

Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Saturday, 28 April 2012 07:14 (eleven years ago) link

laughed at Chang standing next to Michael K Williams' desk, just dead-eyed, slack-jawed, and slightly out of focus, during the court scenes, but I don't think it was supposed to be funny.

I thought it was, so there

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Saturday, 28 April 2012 07:34 (eleven years ago) link

the cast mentioned during the paleyfest panel that ken jeong will do that dead-eyed, protruding-tongue thing during scenes to try and get the other actors to break. they call it "chang-tongue."

supreme sundae (reddening), Saturday, 28 April 2012 09:00 (eleven years ago) link

I was pretty happy to see Williams and Todd reappear in this episode. I always really enjoy the episodes where the minor characters get a load of play, but I think I would probably have got a load more out of this one had I ever actually seen Law & Order.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Saturday, 28 April 2012 09:41 (eleven years ago) link

Also I hope Neil gets to get it on with Vicky. That guy deserves a break.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Saturday, 28 April 2012 09:41 (eleven years ago) link

"a man's got to have a code"!!

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 28 April 2012 14:45 (eleven years ago) link

yeah it was a bit on the nose but i still laughed pretty hard

some dude, Saturday, 28 April 2012 14:46 (eleven years ago) link

I liked the Dean going "awesome" on our behalf. Also the Dean with the hoola-hoop for no apparent reason. Why can't they give Chang some of those fantastic background moments?

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Saturday, 28 April 2012 14:54 (eleven years ago) link

otm

Nhex, Saturday, 28 April 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link

HIS NAME WAS ALEX

Clive "The Chip" Crinkly (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 28 April 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link

It was cute and had good bits, but that ep kinda bummed me out. Until this, every break from reality was explained in some way - the christmas claymation one was from Abed's perspective, etc. This is as close as they've come to that Family Guy parody thing, with no one ever acknowledging that reality has been warped. When Troy referenced that he'd "switched" roles with Abed, Annie and Jeff never acknowledged everyone was acting like cops and lawyers or why. When there were easy L&O gags - Annie withdrawing her slams - it was just that - L&O gags. No character development, layers, anything. Which isn't bad for 30 minutes TV, but well below the bar they've set.

da croupier, Saturday, 28 April 2012 23:26 (eleven years ago) link

You'd like the latest AV Club review.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 28 April 2012 23:34 (eleven years ago) link

How is this episode any different from any of the paintball episodes in that regard?

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Saturday, 28 April 2012 23:47 (eleven years ago) link

those were rather heightened, and, however barely, explained by the chaotic situation. It's also insane to believe Troy and Abed made a Ken Burns documentary of their pillow fight, but I appreciate that the show didn't just show us a Ken Burns doc of it with no explanation

da croupier, Saturday, 28 April 2012 23:57 (eleven years ago) link

we have law and order fridays where I work, I don't know why it needs to be set up.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 28 April 2012 23:59 (eleven years ago) link

also the paintball ones totally advanced the characters, climaxed season-long plot threads like Jeff and Britta's will-they-won't-they in the first and Pierce's freakout in the second.

da croupier, Saturday, 28 April 2012 23:59 (eleven years ago) link

again, I'm not saying this wasn't fun, just relatively thin

da croupier, Sunday, 29 April 2012 00:00 (eleven years ago) link

they are so loud sometimes that i was on the phone and during a particularly loud running stomping battle upstairs, the person i was talking to was like wow, i can hear that.

rayuela, Sunday, 29 April 2012 01:15 (eleven years ago) link

oops wrong thread

rayuela, Sunday, 29 April 2012 01:15 (eleven years ago) link

No character development, layers, anything.

Less of these things in Community please. Wasn't my fave episode, possibly because I've never watched L&O, but my preferred ones are just highly accomplished and ludicrously developed riffs on pop culture tropes using the characters who I enjoy but don't really want to see 'develop'. My less preferred are the ones about how they all love each other.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 29 April 2012 03:13 (eleven years ago) link

I'm not against 'character development' per se at all, but in community it always seems for the sake of it, at the expense of the exquisite laughs the show is often capable of producing.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 29 April 2012 03:15 (eleven years ago) link

This advanced Starburns, and Todd! Also, I thought the troy/abed as detectives thing needed no particular explanation. I mean they love to geek out and play pop-culture roles. So they were clearly psyched to step into l&o characters while investigating the potato thing. I thought this was made pretty evident with their arguments over who got to make the quip, and who got to say "why do they always run". Everything was pretty well explained, I thought.

s.clover, Sunday, 29 April 2012 03:42 (eleven years ago) link

My less preferred are the ones about how they all love each other.

I hate it when it's over the top, but I love it when it's subtle...like the way Britta looked at Troy at the end of the carney episode.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 29 April 2012 05:05 (eleven years ago) link

No character development, layers, anything.

I'd say Starburns' character developed quite dramatically, although his development from this point forward may be somewhat limited.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Sunday, 29 April 2012 05:29 (eleven years ago) link

troy and abed are going to grow a killer stash with the ashes of starburns and when they smoke it he'll appear and help them cheat on tests.

Fellini.Kuti, Sunday, 29 April 2012 07:08 (eleven years ago) link

There's not really much that needs explaining, Troy and Abed were doing what Troy and Abed usually do, Jeff is a lawyer anyway and Annie is a ridiculous obsessive tryhard. Any break from reality no matter how heightened is usually grounded by a scene where Jeff is looking at his Blackberry looking bored and occasionally being sarcastic.

I really enjoyed Professor Kane in this one and I hadn't realised I'd missed this show being essentially grounded in the classroom. Maybe they should have picked an actor who could do more than a handful of eps a season, but on the other hand Omar dude.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Sunday, 29 April 2012 14:30 (eleven years ago) link

i'll admit I was already on alert for an episode where they'd just slot the characters in a format, tell jokes, and leave it at that. Slapping on the visual/audio signifiers of L&O non-diagetically just feels easier, less impressive than what they normally do homage-wise.

da croupier, Sunday, 29 April 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link

And yeah, it's not that they haven't done similar things before. I didn't scream "oh hell no!" when someone started singing behind Chang in the paintball episode, but there's a difference between bringing Scarface/John Woo touches out of nowhere in a surreal paintball warzone and going DUN DUN all through an episode.

da croupier, Sunday, 29 April 2012 15:44 (eleven years ago) link

Def not complaining about the Todd stuff, though

da croupier, Sunday, 29 April 2012 15:44 (eleven years ago) link

The thing is community doesn't tie itself to some formalistic "mockumentary" pretense or whatever to hang its premise off of. If the characters act out of character, that's one thing, but there's nothing more or less "correct" or "realistic" about the cameras and theme songs and sound effects acting out of character.

s.clover, Sunday, 29 April 2012 16:38 (eleven years ago) link

i thought this was a little funnier than the ken burns one but that's probably because i've seen at least two law and order episodes

thomp, Sunday, 29 April 2012 16:53 (eleven years ago) link

If you scrubbed the L&Oisms out of this week's episode and just left it as proper Greendale shenanigans, not much would have changed imo. The L&O thing was just a bone thrown to the audience.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 29 April 2012 16:53 (eleven years ago) link

is there an original of 'why do they always have to run', or is it along the lines of 'let's do the show right here'

thomp, Sunday, 29 April 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link

clover otm

some dude, Sunday, 29 April 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link

xp they really did use that line in L&O many times. i'm sure everyone who played a cop used it at least once, especially anyone slotted into the "younger cop" role

Nhex, Sunday, 29 April 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link

didn't Herc or Carver use it on The Wire before or am i misremembering? but ya, it's a pretty common cop show trope.

Roz, Sunday, 29 April 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link

ya, i seem to remember it as a Wire line.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 29 April 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link

Matt and s. clover OTM. If anything, this seemed like less of a leap to me than e.g. the chicken finger Mafia episode. Prof Kane told Annie she needed to provide evidence to back up her hypothesis, Shirley said she watched a lot of crime shows, Troy and Abed did their thing. People even kept reminding them that they weren't cops and that the classroom wasn't a courtroom.

I also thought that this episode did show (further) development in Jeff's character: where previously, he would have BSed his way to winning and nailing Todd, now he actually wanted to find justice and truth, if only to preserve Annie. (You could even compare this to the s1 episode where he pleaded Britta's insanity to get her out of a penalty for cheating on a test.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 29 April 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link

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EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 29 April 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link

Dudes, Michael Ironside!

Also, something Dan said twitched something in my head, and whilst searching I stumbled upon this:

http://www.umberhulk.com/

wtf. Someone bought a domain name and made a site just to be a character card of a d&d monster.

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:50 (eleven years ago) link

The jump to the L&O format didn't bother me at all, as the writers clearly like to do genre exercises. Abed & Troy immediately slotting into the roles of cops b/v it was fun reminds me a lot of the detective/film noir ep of the Venture Brothers, where everyone around Hank was clearly relishing helping him play in this genre universe.

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:58 (eleven years ago) link

Also, yeah, I like it when they take established characters & demonstrate how they fit into the trappings & tropes of some pop cultural flavor they'd like to dabble in.

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Monday, 30 April 2012 03:59 (eleven years ago) link

This was kind of on the same tip as the Tarantino episode, except it was based on source material I care about.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 30 April 2012 04:37 (eleven years ago) link

lol, I'd forgotten that was also the Dinner With Andre episode. I need to go back and watch the prev seasons.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 30 April 2012 04:38 (eleven years ago) link

Btw, what's up with some of the recent episode titles? WTF is "lupine urology" a reference to? And why was the 1984 episode "Digital Exploration of Interior Design"? Because Pierce spied on Britta and Subway when they were in the blanket fort (using analogue gear!)?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 30 April 2012 04:42 (eleven years ago) link

"lupine urology" = "Wolf, Dick"

O Aquaman (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 30 April 2012 04:43 (eleven years ago) link

OK, I didn't know who that was. Looked it up now. That's v clever then.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 30 April 2012 04:45 (eleven years ago) link

I assume "Digital Exploration" is a heavy petting joke crossed with an allusion to the 1984 parody running through the Subway plot

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Monday, 30 April 2012 13:14 (eleven years ago) link

those are both actually kinda funny

thomp, Monday, 30 April 2012 13:30 (eleven years ago) link

my best guess for 'lupine urology' was the first episode of 'due south' but that did seem highly improbable

thomp, Monday, 30 April 2012 13:30 (eleven years ago) link

This was kind of on the same tip as the Tarantino episode, except it was based on source material I care about.

― Johnny Fever, Monday, April 30, 2012 12:37 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol, I'd forgotten that was also the Dinner With Andre episode. I need to go back and watch the prev seasons.

― Johnny Fever, Monday, April 30, 2012 12:38 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

haha i was gonna say, it wasn't really 'the Tarantino episode' in practically any way besides the characters being dressed as Pulp Fiction characters

some dude, Monday, 30 April 2012 13:36 (eleven years ago) link

Well this is Changsteresting….

smdh

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 03:22 (eleven years ago) link

as someone who has hatewatched about 800 episodes of L&O, omg

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:18 (eleven years ago) link

my least favorite thing about it is the writers' apparent inability to end an ep without a sudden homicide/suicide, so the starburns thing was amazing

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:19 (eleven years ago) link

also how the hell was belzer not in this?

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:21 (eleven years ago) link

Are there particular L&O episodes/seasons that are good to start with?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 06:13 (eleven years ago) link

The Jerry Orbach years, I would assume

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 06:14 (eleven years ago) link

Orbach/(Noth/Bratt)/Waterston/Hennessey was my favourite cast.

GoT SPOILER ALERT (Gukbe), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 06:17 (eleven years ago) link

No Hargitay, no cred.

nickn, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 06:27 (eleven years ago) link

There's a buncha animated gifs out there for this one, so here's a couple

http://i45.tinypic.com/2vker1t.gif

http://i.imgur.com/BfsYa.gif

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 06:44 (eleven years ago) link

I agree that from the original series, Orbach/(Noth/Bratt)/Hennessey/Waterston was the high point

for SVU, I think there's something to be said (aka I luv Mariska Hargity) for every season but the early ones when they were still shuffling the ensemble are incredible

CI is most entertaining when it's the D'Onofrio Crazypants Show

TBJ was super boring

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:22 (eleven years ago) link

Can you just jump in and watch L&O episodes or do you need to start from the beginning for continuity?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:23 (eleven years ago) link

i can't imagine Law & Order: The Blow Job being boring but i never saw it

some dude, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:24 (eleven years ago) link

Can you just jump in and watch L&O episodes or do you need to start from the beginning for continuity?

For regular L&O you can jump in at any point -- there's not much serialization or focus on the characters lives outside of the cases.

SVU is a whole 'nother mess that borders on Days of Our Lives.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:28 (eleven years ago) link

Can you just jump in and watch L&O episodes or do you need to start from the beginning for continuity?

Most of the continuity/character progression is in the background aside from the two or three random episodes where a BIG PERSONAL REVELATION happens that makes a character EMOTE for your viewing pleasure; I got into the show mostly through watching random episodes and from being transfixed by Mariska Hargitay on SVU. You can totally watch SVU out of order and enjoy the hell out of it, but watching it in order is like "omg you've unlocked the secret level and can now shoot fireballs from yr eyes, ENJOY"

All the flavors of L&O have similar story rhythms; the main differences between them are:

OG: murders galore
SVU: mostly sex crimes that often involve someone's death
CI: mostly murders, but a good chunk of the episode is told from the criminal's point of view and the payoff of the story is seeing how Crazypants D'Onofrio sticks his crazy into the perp's brain and makes them crack
TBJ: I never watched more than 5 minutes of this because it was so boring but I think it was all trial shit (because Trial By Jury, see? it's FASCINATING watching people sit in a juror's box for an hour! gtfo imo, if you're gonna do that you better give me Cop Rock-esque ensemble numbers otherwise I'm changing the channel)

also lol sd

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:31 (eleven years ago) link

xpost

Mmm, I dunno, I've sat in on a number of those SVU marathons and didn't feel like I was missing anything by not being a regular viewer. It's been a few years, mind.

Vaginal Meshes Of The Afternoon (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:32 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i have to say it's kind of hilarious for someone who's never seen L&O to ask about 'continuity' since L&O is kind of the classic 'drop in and watch a marathon of non-sequential episodes' procedural show

some dude, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:38 (eleven years ago) link

You probably can watch SVU out of order, but I get so tired of hearing about Olivia's messed up childhood/family, her attempted rape, etc. and then Stabler's family was the most annoying hellspawn and any episode that centered on them drove me crazy.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:39 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i have to say it's kind of hilarious for someone who's never seen L&O to ask about 'continuity' since L&O is kind of the classic 'drop in and watch a marathon of non-sequential episodes' procedural show

I think that's the genius of L&O. There was always this huge ball of backstory/continuity lurking in the background, but it was always subservient to whatever case was going on that week. When characters' personal lives did get pulled it, it was usually because of some aspect of the case (Ice T's son's involvement with the gay-bashing case on SVU, for example) or because something was going on that impacted their ability to work (Van Buren's cancer arc on OG comes to mind)

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:45 (eleven years ago) link

although yeah, Stabler's family was the worst

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link

I really loved that in original L&O they would just throw out continuity nods every so often, but almost always like a 1 minute scene every 5 episodes that might pay off like 3 years later, in another 1 minute scene at the very end of an episode (see: everything involving Brisco). But yeah, totally ignorable

Nhex, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:26 (eleven years ago) link

liked this ep more than i expected (i'm p tired of the 'high-concept' stuff in general), i think precisely because characterization/"moving things forward" wasn't a big consideration here. also it's a funny way to get rid of starburns.

madame boo berry (donna rouge), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:11 (eleven years ago) link

^^^

some dude, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:11 (eleven years ago) link

i'm not even a big l&o guy either

madame boo berry (donna rouge), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:12 (eleven years ago) link

i have never consciously chosen to watch an episode of any L&O series in my entire life but i have still ambivalently marinated in that franchise enough over the past 20 years that i got/appreciated pretty much every gag

some dude, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:14 (eleven years ago) link

^^yeah, ditto

catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link

i feel like a robot when i say stuff like i really don't care about character development/relationships in tv shows, just jokes, but i think really it's just that what's considered character development/relationships in tv/movies is so ridiculously facile and unrealistic 99 percent of the time so i'd rather just do without it completely.

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:30 (eleven years ago) link

i hope starburns is actually really dead, not that i dislike the character but it would make that joke even funnier in perpetuity if he just, like, was dead now

flopson, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link

Dino wanted off of the show, so I think he is really dead.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link

it seems like they're committed to it, notwithstanding flashbacks or a ghost plotline or something, although yeah hopefully they won't do anything like that and he's just gone for good

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:38 (eleven years ago) link

he'll always live on in our hearts... and the Dreamatorium

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:40 (eleven years ago) link

god, the top of my wishlist for the season finale is that it culminates with the dreamatorium being destroyed

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link

why does some dude hate imagination?

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link

willy wonka molested me as a child

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:42 (eleven years ago) link

god, the top of my wishlist for the season finale is that it culminates with the dreamatorium being destroyed

some dude gets it

madame boo berry (donna rouge), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:56 (eleven years ago) link

i feel like a robot when i say stuff like i really don't care about character development/relationships in tv shows, just jokes

you and me both. we are both robots that just want laffs.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 17:57 (eleven years ago) link

character development in sitcoms is best when it's an offhand show-don't-tell thing imo. Community can be very deft about it but sometimes they're about as subtle as anime characters screaming "NOW WE ARE ENEMIES, BUT BEFORE WE WERE FRIENDS, HA HA"

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link

what is a sitcom that does character development effectively?

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:16 (eleven years ago) link

A current one? Maybe Suburgatory?

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:17 (eleven years ago) link

for a period I woulda said parks & rec.

s.clover, Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:25 (eleven years ago) link

it kind of goes hand in hand with my show-don't-tell point that a lot of my favorite shows ended up with really three dimensional characters that evolved over time but i wouldn't really point to them and say WOW THEY REALLY DEVELOPED THE FUCK OUTTA THAT CHARACTER

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link

sorry for whiney-style capslock overkill btw

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:28 (eleven years ago) link

Don't worry, you shook it off.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link

I think Troy, Abed, and Annie have generally been developed really effectively, sometimes subtly! They've all grown considerably from s1.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:40 (eleven years ago) link

but in sitcoms there's always a very fine line between actual 'character development' and just altering the characters' traits for whatever reason ie writers lose track of the character, start to play to what the audience likes, start to play to what they like, just screwing around with things bc it works for the plot. i'm not convinced community isn't still mostly in the latter half. which is fine -- even the simpsons altered homer's character throughout the first four or five seasons for no meaningful reason. would never call that character development tho

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link

I think Troy, Abed, and Annie have generally been developed really effectively, sometimes subtly! They've all grown considerably from s1.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, May 1, 2012 2:40 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark

oh i agree with this (Abed regression aside), i don't think what i said contradicts it at all.

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link

No, I wasn't directing that at you, sd (and we agree about Abed in this season).

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:33 (eleven years ago) link

aight

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link

In addition to Community and Parks and Recreation (to an extent), I'd say How I Met Your Mother is a decent example of a current sitcom that's good at character development. Sometimes the very point of a sitcom, though, is how completely it avoids developing characters (e.g. the relatively static universe of 30 Rock, or the Peep Show characters who never seem to learn or grow no matter how much their lives change).

grickodda thunder, zoos (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link

(I assume we're using "development" to mean "growing/changing over time" here, as opposed to "fleshing out a believable, three-dimensional character". A lot of overlap there, but they're definitely different aspects of character construction.)

grickodda thunder, zoos (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link

i hope starburns is actually really dead, not that i dislike the character but it would make that joke even funnier in perpetuity if he just, like, was dead now

― flopson, Tuesday, May 1, 2012 12:36 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thought it would actually be kind of funny if he was just in the next episode with no explanation.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 21:58 (eleven years ago) link

thought it would actually be kind of funny if he was just in the next episode with no explanation.

Ha, that would be a true shark jump.

in sitcoms there's always a very fine line between actual 'character development' and just altering the characters' traits for whatever reason ie writers lose track of the character, start to play to what the audience likes, start to play to what they like, just screwing around with things bc it works for the plot. i'm not convinced community isn't still mostly in the latter half.

Hm, well, you're right about Pierce and Chang but I see it differently with most of the core group and this is a big part of why I like the show. (It's also why I get so dismayed when the writers do certain things with Abed's character that probably bother other people much less). Troy, Abed, and Annie were the three main characters who began the series as awkward teenagers, straight out of high school, and all three have shown appreciable growth imo. In fact, I think the show is remarkable for being so patently surreal while also showing surprisingly believable development in these characters. Troy was still wearing his varsity jacket in the pilot, forcing a tough exterior, e.g. threatening Jeff, but it soon became clear that he was uncomfortable in that role. Through the series, he has been increasingly coming to terms with his sensitivity and imagination, largely via his friendship with Abed but also through e.g. dance lessons. Despite his initial machismo, he was actually fairly awkward with women, so the gradual flirtation preceded by actual friendship with Britta, an older woman who is probably far removed from the sorts of girls he would have tried to date in high school, is an important step.

Annie began as a prudish, inexperienced girl with low self-esteem, recovering from a pill addiction, still infatuated with her high school's quarterback. The debate episode was a key turning point for her. She has become increasingly confident and self-aware in her sexuality to the point where she deliberately uses it to manipulate Jeff. Her self-realization about Jeff in the dreamatorium was another turning point.

Abed also began with less self-esteem, almost subservient to Jeff in some early episodes, a bit desperate and friendless. Through coming to terms with his family issues and his friendship with Troy, he sometimes takes on a leadership role now, e.g. in the s3 Christmas episode and in the dreamatorium.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link

ON THE OTHER HAND, Britta went from smart and confident, matching wits with Jeff, to a the butt of everyone's jokes. I know Harmon says on the season 1 commentary that his friends didn't like her character early on, so he tried to make her self-seriousness into her humanizing flaw ("the idea that you compulsively filter yourself makes your lack of flavor kind of a flavor"), but in season 3 she's been a slapstick dumb blonde liberal straw man joke. I guess he figures America likes stupid pretty things? I mean, she's "developed" in that she has a major now, but they just play on her being bad at everything and it bums me out because because early on I found her the most relatable.

Also, I feel like Jeff's gone back and forth between selfishness and opening himself up to love repeatedly. I mean, he starts the Jack Black episode in Season 1 by mocking how shallow he used to be, but then he still has to have this breakthrough that he loves everybody a year later. I guess backsliding is a real part of being a flawed human being, but I feel like this show is closer to being a sitcom that returns to something like default every week than it is to showing us 7 friends each realizing their potential together. I mean, they're all supposedly psychotic now, except for the increasingly difficult kid with aspergers

Fellini.Kuti, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:03 (eleven years ago) link

Troy, Abed, and Annie were the three main characters who began the series as awkward teenagers, straight out of high school, and all three have shown appreciable growth imo.

Abed is older than the others, probably mid-20s now. (They've avoided nailing it down deliberately.)

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:06 (eleven years ago) link

really i have no problem with any of the changes any of the characters have made over the course of the series that don't involve turning into Screech

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:13 (eleven years ago) link

eh, shit happens. sam malone grew stupider after the first season or two of cheers, because that's where the laughs were, i guess. i don't care *too* much about character consistency if there are laughs.

britta at least means well, in theory.

i know it's a meta thing that they, particularly winger, must receive lessons about human empathy and such (see also michael bluth re: family), but i could honestly do without that part.

mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:20 (eleven years ago) link

i'm like nick, i just don't give a shit about any of this character stuff. or maybe it's working quasi-sublimity and i appreciate the "ground" of the characters' more-or-less consistent personality traits against which the extended gags and narrative punchlines work.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:10 (eleven years ago) link

character DEVELOPMENT stuff i should say

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:11 (eleven years ago) link

Britta is very relatable, I think.

s.clover, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:38 (eleven years ago) link

Britta is the main reason I still watch this show.

polyphonic, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:41 (eleven years ago) link

@sund4r: yeah, i wasn't talking about chang and pierce, i was talking about the examples you're giving. where you see character development, i'm just seeing the writers altering the characters to their liking and abandoning original character points that weren't working out. the thing with troy's jacket has more to do with the fact that troy being abed's pop culture buddy has more value/humor than troy being the indecisive football player. and harmon even said that abed's character went through changes once people said he was on the spectrum, which harmon apparently knew nothing about -- that's a completely different approach to the character starting in the middle of the series. which results in the whole dreamatorium character inconsistency ilx debacle (never 4get)

again, i don't have a problem with any of this, it's just overstating things to act like it was all masterfully planned out as opposed to being like every other sitcom. honestly it's a 21 minute show and 20 of those minutes are spent on jokes and references and micro plot progression. it's not really built for real 'development' or character study or w/e

JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:43 (eleven years ago) link

britta is a much more lovable, funnier character now than she was as a boilerplate girl nag, though i do kind of think they may have tossed the lever too far in one direction. for instance, i LOVED that amazingly stupid "me so hungy!" song when she was high during the multiple realities episode, but maybe they had taken her brokenness maybe too far...

Nhex, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 04:01 (eleven years ago) link

I thought the worst Britta moment was in the model UN episode.

She's funny sometimes now but Fellini is right about her and Jeff's characters. Honestly, if the writers are so cavalier with Chang and Pierce, it might be a bit silly for me to claim that they're also being really sensitive and subtle about developing a few of the other characters at the same time. So zachlyon may well be right.

(Still, Jeff made the "Asperger's" comment in the first episode. How could Harmon not have known about it?)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 05:03 (eleven years ago) link

Britta's character development makes sense to me because when you start hanging out with people they seem cool and awesome and totally switched on and you only start noticing that maybe they aren't that way at all after you've been hanging out for ages.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 08:44 (eleven years ago) link

true!

Fellini.Kuti, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 08:59 (eleven years ago) link

Also the perceptions of the characters have changed with the power dynamics of the group. At the start, the nucleus of the group was Jeff and Britta, now it's the Troy/Abed/Annie house.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 09:06 (eleven years ago) link

Britta's character development makes sense to me because when you start hanging out with people they seem cool and awesome and totally switched on and you only start noticing that maybe they aren't that way at all after you've been hanging out for ages.

Sure, and I think people also let their guards down and become their dorky selves as they get more comfortable with other people. Besides, Britta was never supposed to be brilliant: we find out in the first episode that she dropped out of high school to impress Radiohead. She admitted to being a bit flaky about her politics at the Guatemala protest. She and Jeff both became obsessed with trading childish insults with a few teenagers in s1 too.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 12:20 (eleven years ago) link

SHMITTY!

Bad Company's Drummer's Daughter (stevie), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 12:29 (eleven years ago) link

OTM

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 12:35 (eleven years ago) link

Besides, Britta was never supposed to be brilliant: we find out in the first episode that she dropped out of high school to impress Radiohead.

You have set me up for the perfect zing but perhaps I will save it for the Mad Men thread.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 13:25 (eleven years ago) link

lol

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 13:30 (eleven years ago) link

OK, now, this ep was pretty much straight parody. Cute and amusing, but nothing more than that. I don't mind placeholder gimmick episodes, but I hope we're a long way from the flashback to when everyone in the cast was fat.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link

oh god it horrifies me how much even current shows that should know better still do that

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:04 (eleven years ago) link

haha now I am hoping they do a "remember the anthropology project where we all had to dress up in fat suits?" flashback

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link

actually How I Met Your Mother had a character become briefly fat in a present day narrative, which is maybe even worse, but New Girl and Raising Hope have both recently done fatsuit flashbacks

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link

and i guess Monica on Friends is the """classic""" example

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link

new girl goes back to the fat Schmitt well very often

but raising hope's goth flashbacks are the best. drakkar noir!

Nhex, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 14:49 (eleven years ago) link

i guess Monica on Friends is the """classic""" example

They only went there about once a season iirc, and made sure those segments were rock solid jokes-wise.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:00 (eleven years ago) link

once a season is too much, especially for a show that was on for like 10 years

Neil Young’s social media channels (some dude), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:03 (eleven years ago) link

As long as no-one is thinking of dissing Fat Mac in Sunny we're all cool.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:42 (eleven years ago) link

Goth Britta: the fans demand it

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:43 (eleven years ago) link

Fat Mac in Sunny wasn't wearing a fat suit!

Mordy, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:49 (eleven years ago) link

baggel (heh heh it's BEIGEL as any fule kno)

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link

I know that you like the baggels honey

kinder, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link

Yvette currently on some daytime chat show("Nate"?) and the show would be desperately improved by Joel McHale sitting in.

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link

rewatching the subway episode right now. completely missed the dean's "I was just googling records lengths of stuff" the first time. this show is still on top.

Fellini.Kuti, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 23:48 (eleven years ago) link

So CP McKenna has a development deal at Universal, and Neil Goldman and Garrett Donovan are leaving for Fox. Production team fragmenting!

trishyb, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:41 (eleven years ago) link

that's what happens when you put a show in constant cancellation threat

President Keyes, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link

Neil Goldman and Garrett Donovan

Wait are these the dudes who play Fat Neil and Garrett? :( Save Garrett!!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link

The characters of Fat Neil and Garrett are named after Goldman and Donovan respectively.

polyphonic, Thursday, 3 May 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link

Ahh, okay.. since Starburns was a writer I thought a few of them might be.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, 3 May 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link

I would be heartbroken if Garrett left, best tertiary character IMO.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link

"Go kill John Lennon again, you loser!"

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Thursday, 3 May 2012 20:12 (eleven years ago) link

just watched the season-two-ending two-parter again

the selfless paint-death of magnitude is amazing

mookieproof, Thursday, 3 May 2012 22:52 (eleven years ago) link

like Jeff's one-liner about the change in Britta

Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 4 May 2012 00:19 (eleven years ago) link

yup, the self-awareness from this show we've all come to love

Nhex, Friday, 4 May 2012 02:08 (eleven years ago) link

Funny episode. Shit final scene (not the Starburns memorial coda, that was awesome).

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 4 May 2012 12:11 (eleven years ago) link

that was amazing.

Thoughts? You must have loads. (a hoy hoy), Friday, 4 May 2012 13:03 (eleven years ago) link

lots of laughs and i'm fine with them going into the whole 'expulsion' plotline but it felt like such a confusing leap of logic, one minute starburns is dead and the next they're...really mad at the school for some reason? kinda dumb.

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 13:20 (eleven years ago) link

they're mad at their year of study being wasted

so glad to see Chang as security guard pay off after he was barely used for so many eps

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Friday, 4 May 2012 13:30 (eleven years ago) link

iirc, they were all mad about having to take summer classes through no fault of their own. seems a somewhat reasonable leap, letting all their frustrations finally boil over. also, its a sitcom.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 4 May 2012 13:44 (eleven years ago) link

oh ok, i must've gotten distracted and missed the summer class thing.

some dude, Friday, 4 May 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link

because of Starburns' death, Omar resigned as teacher, meaning the entire class got "incompletes" and was going to have to make it up over the summer.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 4 May 2012 13:48 (eleven years ago) link

Which is a v. legitimate reason to be pissed, I've seen students go murderous over less.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link

i don't even understand the logic of how Starburns dies in a meth lab explosion outside of school so the professor has to resign?

Nhex, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:08 (eleven years ago) link

I don't think he *had to* resign, he probably was just horrified by what happened as a result of Starburns stealing supplies from the class lab.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:10 (eleven years ago) link

Nicole otm, that was how I understood it. Still, lets not demand too much logic now. Dean was on fire again this episode.

"Come on, I dean. I keep it so clean, look at me I'm staaaapling." (or however it went)

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:12 (eleven years ago) link

I don't think he *had to* resign, he probably was just horrified by what happened as a result of Starburns stealing supplies from the class lab.

A man's gotta have a code, etc. Still - a shame that Omar finally gets an excellent episode and then departs.

otm

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:23 (eleven years ago) link

that still.. barely makes sense, even in TV land

Nhex, Friday, 4 May 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link

I think it makes a lot of sense, actually. Student dies in meth exlposion using supplies stolen from school's lab. Teacher in charge of said lab resigns before legal reprecussions come his way for allowing the supplies to be removed from the school.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 4 May 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link

I hope there's a director's cut of Garrett singing the entirety of Ave Maria

I DIED, Friday, 4 May 2012 17:27 (eleven years ago) link

someone on twitter pointed out that the group actually did go through the five stages of grief, starting with jeff's denial, then the riot (anger), trying to make chang the fall guy (bargaining), then depression & acceptance back at troy/abed/annie's place

the minister of RAILWAYS (reddening), Friday, 4 May 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link

"it was the other arm"

s.clover, Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:00 (eleven years ago) link

Besides, Britta was never supposed to be brilliant: we find out in the first episode that she dropped out of high school to impress Radiohead.

You have set me up for the perfect zing but perhaps I will save it for the Mad Men thread.

― Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Wednesday, May 2, 2012 8:25 AM

Seriously want to know when you became such a fucking dick. I don't get it. I've never done anything to you.

Melissa W, Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:10 (eleven years ago) link

Hey now, calm down. If you don't want to talk about how shitty Community is now, take it to another thread.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:12 (eleven years ago) link

too bad that promo spoiled the Dean's "who wants to dance?" moment.

President Keyes, Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:16 (eleven years ago) link

"tables, chairs, floors, ceilings... all... affected."

s.clover, Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:20 (eleven years ago) link

Seriously want to know when you became such a fucking dick. I don't get it. I've never done anything to you.

Wait, what?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:50 (eleven years ago) link

Directed at Nicole, not you.

Melissa W, Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:51 (eleven years ago) link

Come on I am Dean
My hands are so clean
And at this moment
I am stapling

No Repayment, No Pinterest (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:55 (eleven years ago) link

OK, I didn't understand Nicole's comment tbh.

xpost

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:55 (eleven years ago) link

I'm sorry if I inadvertently caused offence.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:59 (eleven years ago) link

(Really enjoyed the episode though btw.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:59 (eleven years ago) link

I laughed pretty damn loud at Britta reaching to console Jeff as he bawls into his textbook and he just slaps her hand away.

4 eps left, btw. Next week, then 3 on the Thursday after that.

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Saturday, 5 May 2012 08:04 (eleven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/hMfNx.gif

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Saturday, 5 May 2012 08:25 (eleven years ago) link

Theory floated over on another board where I stole that gif: Evil Jeff is the one-armed lawyer who dropped off the beginning of the show. He's even missing the correct arm.

Troy and Abed between dimeeeeeeeennnnnnsions!

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Saturday, 5 May 2012 08:35 (eleven years ago) link

You'd have thought they might have noticed he looked just like Jeff?

Amazing episode, just hilarious all the way through. And yeah OTM about the Chang payoff. I actually really want them to develop Chang as military dictator now, that would be glorious.

They'll all have to enroll at the air conditioning repair school now..

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Saturday, 5 May 2012 12:13 (eleven years ago) link

Haven't seen the new ep yet, so I'll complain about it later, but what kind of community college makes you go to summer school? I just figured community college sort of *was* like summer school, sort of informal, where you just sort of scheduled classes ad hoc and wily nilly.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 May 2012 13:54 (eleven years ago) link

Ha, trust me, it's often way more formal than that.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 May 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link

You'd have thought they might have noticed he looked just like Jeff?

Abed was the only one who saw him. Abed also noticed and didn't say anything when he saw the Evil Dean.

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Saturday, 5 May 2012 16:21 (eleven years ago) link

xxxp troy with the big sacrifice joins the air conditioner repair school to save the group, sounds right

Nhex, Saturday, 5 May 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

loved this one

polyphonic, Saturday, 5 May 2012 22:26 (eleven years ago) link

I liked this ep, but it felt sort of ... short? Perhaps because there was so much going on. Dean was great here, and tbh I'm not a huge Dean booster; I like him in small doses.

I recall before the season resumed the trailer played up Chang on the rampage, so I assume there will be more Chang to come.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 May 2012 02:17 (eleven years ago) link

Chang is in the air?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 May 2012 02:17 (eleven years ago) link

what was all the weirdness with the pizza bit at the end? I know it was reffing the earlier 'timelines' episode but was anything specific going on, because it weirded me out?

kinder, Sunday, 6 May 2012 18:42 (eleven years ago) link

I've kind of finally accepted that Season 3 feels way sloppier than Season 2 did for me, so while little things annoyed me or felt trite, this last episode I could just lol at the Dean and not sweat whether this still the best thing since the simpsons or whatever euphoria I had going on last year.

da croupier, Sunday, 6 May 2012 18:47 (eleven years ago) link

Showing the last stage of grief, or that abed realized that everything was still ok, or to remind everyone (incl. the pizza guy, who I laughed pretty hard at) that other timelines exist?

We still have the John Hodgman cameo to come, too

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Sunday, 6 May 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link

Jim Rash definitely deserves a little Emmy to go with his Oscar

da croupier, Sunday, 6 May 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link

halfway to EGOT

President Keyes, Sunday, 6 May 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link

I've kind of finally accepted that Season 3 feels way sloppier than Season 2 did for me, so while little things annoyed me or felt trite, this last episode I could just lol at the Dean and not sweat whether this still the best thing since the simpsons or whatever euphoria I had going on last year.

I eased up a bit when I looked at a list of s2 episodes and realized that I didn't remember a couple of them and remembered a couple being a little weak. It's possible that I may have just been so excited by what they were doing in the best ambitious episodes that I was holding this season to an unreasonable standard. Certainly, at least half of this season has been great. I don't know if any sitcom could have lived up to my expectations after s2.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 6 May 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link

"In the best episodes", I should probably say. I actually really like a lot of the more 'normal' episodes.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 7 May 2012 00:03 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2640714/

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 05:41 (eleven years ago) link

The last scene was necessary imo - they had to establish that the group is strong enough to stay close without the focal point of the college.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 12:04 (eleven years ago) link

Huh, Annie's Boobs has been all over the place.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 8 May 2012 18:24 (eleven years ago) link

that's how rumors get started...

s.clover, Tuesday, 8 May 2012 20:41 (eleven years ago) link

omg, that gangster movie flashback...

Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 11 May 2012 00:19 (eleven years ago) link

what are all these cameras doing here?

Mordy, Friday, 11 May 2012 00:31 (eleven years ago) link

also lol at jeff doing his best groucho

Mordy, Friday, 11 May 2012 00:33 (eleven years ago) link

u mean an institution like marriage?
i mean a mental institution
so do i!

Mordy, Friday, 11 May 2012 00:33 (eleven years ago) link

I parked by a meter.
Did anyone else park by a meter?

WAIT, WHAT?!!

^that may have been the best timing on a joke I've ever seen.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 11 May 2012 00:40 (eleven years ago) link

Welcome

...

to Ladders.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 11 May 2012 02:49 (eleven years ago) link

Let's remove a pen and see what happens.

Kind of disappointed we didn't get some kind of callback to "Learning!"

Seriously? No one itt is talking about the 4th season renewal yet? Only 13 episodes to start, but, hey...

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 11 May 2012 03:10 (eleven years ago) link

The other thread is taking up that slack.

Ah, figured it would be in here.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 11 May 2012 03:14 (eleven years ago) link

loved every single second of the mental institution.
ESPECIALLY (super deep voice) "Let's remove a pen and see what happens."
would watch an entire episode of this.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 11 May 2012 04:26 (eleven years ago) link

The fact that community colleges are almost all two year institutions, and just dismissed it for the sake of... whatever = PRETTY AWESOME.

Yes, low-voiced professional Garrett was super awesome!

Johnny Fever, Friday, 11 May 2012 04:52 (eleven years ago) link

Incredible episode, best of the season so far I reckon.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 11 May 2012 13:34 (eleven years ago) link

best momentis when they talk about kidnapped dean and iirc jeff says the dean is probably super busy working on a sexy patty hearst costume.

Jibe, Friday, 11 May 2012 14:37 (eleven years ago) link

/Britta says the poor guy is probably trying to cobble together one :)

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Friday, 11 May 2012 14:50 (eleven years ago) link

i liked this one once the "twist" happened but it was weird how the first 2/3rds was basically a fake clips show again but not as funny/dense as the first time they did fake clips

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 11 May 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link

The first clip show ep is top five of all of them for me though. One thing I've missed about this season is the steady stream of batshit classes and odd professors so was happy to see that was still going on.

Also the Dean alerting them to the fire and Chang electrocuting his testicles were awesome. Kinda reminded me that Ken Jeong is really great at physical comedy and hasn't had much time to shine at it this year.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Saturday, 12 May 2012 09:47 (eleven years ago) link

oh man this episode was just on fire

Nhex, Saturday, 12 May 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link

90 minutes of Community this Thursday!

(Then no more until the fall, but still...90 minutes!)

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 12 May 2012 15:29 (eleven years ago) link

wha? did they make a movie?!

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 12 May 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link

Think they're just burning off the remainder of the episodes.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 12 May 2012 16:46 (eleven years ago) link

They were going to air the final two in an hour next week and have the two hour finale of Awake this week because it's the last day of Sweeps, but Community's ratings are much better than Awake's (which has just been cancelled) so they're just finishing them all this week.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 12 May 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link

How sad must Awake's ratings be if Community gets better ratings?

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link

NBC's drama problem seems a bit worse than their comedy problem. Couldn't believe they were bothering to "fix" Smash but apparently even if descending ratings it's still above anything that previously aired in that slot recently.

da croupier, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:06 (eleven years ago) link

You couldn't pay me to sit through another high-concept drama that uses the unsolved mysteries crutch after Lost shit the bed (although Fringe largely sidesteps those pitfalls with a degree of grace). Between that and the slew of clones that turfed out really quickly, I'm not surprised people are a little wary of that sort of thing.

You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link

(Re: Awake, obvs.)

You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link

Awake was getting less than 1.0 ratings. I don't think they were as bad as The Firm, but still. Thursdays at 10pm has been a dead zone for NBC for years.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link

NBC must be hurtling towards some sort of event horizon for low ratings, I wonder how much longer they can carry on like this.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link

re: thurs at 10, it's not actually been that long since ER ended, plus there was that lovely Leno Show window, but it's definitely been a sore spot since

da croupier, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Must_See_TV#NBC_Thursday-night_lineup_history

the ratings-based color-coding makes this extra awesome

da croupier, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link

Awake was like a case study in how to make a relatively original, well crafted show as unappealing as possible..."hey would you like to see a really serious-looking actor you've never heard of contemplate 2 alternate realities that both involve the death of a loved one, week after week after week? no? ok nevermind"

some dude, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link

SUPER OTM re: color coding, it's like watching the blood drain from a body

balls, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link

'joey' looks to be the tipping point

omar little, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link

imagine a time where NBC's problem was that a show was losing enough viewers from its lead-in to slip down to the top 20

da croupier, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link

I was coming here to post that! Joey always seemed to me like a bad idea for a spin off, but then again I thought Two and a Half Men was a stupid idea for a sitcom. xp

The color coding on that chart was amazing.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link

really, who the fuck knows how Community would do if it was stuck between a modern Seinfeld and ER

da croupier, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link

it MIGHT actually be bigger than Veronica's Closet!

da croupier, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link

lol i remember looking forward to harper valley - 'finally a new show for barbara eden!' i was apparently too young to be angry about them moving my beloved buck rogers.

balls, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link

nbc is totally begging wendie malick to come back for a pilot i bet

omar little, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link

she's on hot in cleveland w/ a bunch of other ghosts of television past

balls, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link

lol i remember looking forward to harper valley - 'finally a new show for barbara eden!'

I felt the same way! I remember nbc having new show previews that made this look awesome.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link

anyone else remember nbc's weird "hey let's start primetime half an hour earlier!" they used a bunch of crappy castoff shows, i think i remember one w/loni anderson and ernest borgnine?

omar little, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link

this was mid-'80s i'm thinking.

omar little, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:41 (eleven years ago) link

loni anderson, ernest borgnine and krusty the klown

da croupier, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:42 (eleven years ago) link

aw i actually Awake pretty entertaining, though i don't really care about the main "mystery" being solved, it's just double the mind bending soap opera. that said i've never sat through an entire episode

Nhex, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link

lol i was incorrect, it had jack elam:

Loni Anderson plays a rich girl who loves to play tennis, eat expensive meals, shop, & spend, spend, spend. If I remember correctly, her two comedic godfathers come to live with her in her plush mansion. All of the sudden having money is something they are NOT used to...& that is were the laughs come in.

omar little, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:45 (eleven years ago) link

lol nicole do you remember when the networks would have primetime specials where they would show clips from the new shows they're sure you'll love along w/ some old favorites?

balls, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:47 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tz0SxNP5YM

This is still my favorite thing. Twin Peaks and Cop Rock! Hosted by Alan Thicke.

polyphonic, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link

i do confess i am a peaker

balls, Saturday, 12 May 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link

lol nicole do you remember when the networks would have primetime specials where they would show clips from the new shows they're sure you'll love along w/ some old favorites?

Yes! I used to love those, they made everything look like it was going to be so exciting. I was pretty easily impressed.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Saturday, 12 May 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link

same here! i miss those upcoming season clip shows

Nhex, Saturday, 12 May 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link

Awake was like a case study in how to make a relatively original, well crafted show as unappealing as possible..."hey would you like to see a really serious-looking actor you've never heard of contemplate 2 alternate realities that both involve the death of a loved one, week after week after week? no? ok nevermind"

I think a few people have heard of this guy:

http://www.jasonisaacsphotoalbumsonline.com/movies/HPOotP/JasonasLuciusOotPEdit.jpgcrop.jpg

President Keyes, Saturday, 12 May 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link

I've seen most of Awake so far this season, and what began as a good (albeit complex) idea has been streamlined into a fairly comfortable viewing experience. Still, I don't give a damn about a single character and figure most everyone else never came back after the very hard to follow pilot episode.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 12 May 2012 21:45 (eleven years ago) link

Who is "this guy"?

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:50 (eleven years ago) link

Lucius Malfoy

President Keyes, Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:54 (eleven years ago) link

Jason Isaacs, lead role in Awake and also known from several Harry Potter films (though I've seen none of them, so he was new to me).

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 12 May 2012 23:55 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i mean being the 30th most famous person in a harry potter movie really isn't the kind of q rating that lends itself to headlining a network series

some dude, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:17 (eleven years ago) link

well keifer's new show isn't doing much better--so there's yer star power.

President Keyes, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:19 (eleven years ago) link

ughhhhh nevermind i'm not going to hold the point any closer to your face as you keep deliberately missing it

some dude, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:22 (eleven years ago) link

too gnostic for me

President Keyes, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:37 (eleven years ago) link

lol is a big name really a prereq for headlining a network drama? did er break cuz it had the guy who played goose nearly ten years earlier? did grey's anatomy break cuz ppl couldn't wait to see what luke wilson's love interest from old school did next? when miami vice came out did ppl go 'o shit it's don johnson from the harrad experiment! as a cop! i gotta watch this!'? probably the opposite is true right - if you're a big name headlining a network drama you're either come off a string of failures in film that have reduced you to doing tv or you're following up a prior big hit tv show in which case good luck catching lightning in a bottle twice (cf kiefer)(though counterpoint cf kiefer w/ 24!). tbf lucius malfoy was a very prominent character in the harry potter movies and one of a few to be in almost all of them but i'm not sure how many ppl would've even realized dude in awake is lucius malfoy or that it would've made a difference, i don't know of anyone who watched luck cuz dumbledore was in it. will admit draco malfoy played a role in me checking out rise of the planet of the apes though.

balls, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:49 (eleven years ago) link

fwiw i didn't watch awake cuz that show screamed 'soon to be canceled' and though i never thought of it this way 'guess which one of this guy's loved ones is actually dead! see him deal w/ harrowing grief - in parallel universes maybe?' is a horrible hookline for a show.

balls, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:55 (eleven years ago) link

obv name recognition isn't everything, but it kinda WAS my point that at a time when movie stars are all running to TV and even someone pretty damn famous like i dunno ashley judd can get their show canceled right away (or christian slater can get canceled THREE TIMES), Awake being one of the only new shows on the air without a household name front and center was probably one strike (of many) against it

but yeah the basic premise is a horrible hookline, was all i was really saying

some dude, Sunday, 13 May 2012 01:56 (eleven years ago) link

yeah but ashley judd even being on tv was a 'o right, her career did kinda die didn't it' and christian slater defined 'stench of failure' even before he couldn't keep a show on the air on nbc. then again madeline stowe star power probably did help revenge, the breakout hit tv drama of this past year and the only network drama i actually watch now.

balls, Sunday, 13 May 2012 02:14 (eleven years ago) link

Just finished this. Wow.

Also, why the fuck Hulu keep showing me shitty car adverts? How many more of these do I need to thumbs-down?

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Sunday, 13 May 2012 03:21 (eleven years ago) link

in the background of the study room:

"Dry-erase boards love Chalkboard jokes."

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Sunday, 13 May 2012 03:36 (eleven years ago) link

This was a fun ep, advanced the plot without forgetting to be silly.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 13 May 2012 03:36 (eleven years ago) link

troy and abed in the moooooooorning

nights

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 13 May 2012 05:59 (eleven years ago) link

i remember the cast saying during the hiatus that community would get much, much darker post-hiatus, but i hadn't gotten that vibe until now. it's unfortunate because i eat that kind of stuff up.

phantompenguin, Sunday, 13 May 2012 06:35 (eleven years ago) link

I leave awake on because I'm not really engaged after the comedy block is on and usually start getting ready for the next day, ironing clothes, packing lunch, etc. but have never seen Harry Potter so thanks for IDing the dude!

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Sunday, 13 May 2012 15:05 (eleven years ago) link

"Abed, I don't deal in crazy, I deal in help. So! How long has Abed needed a crazy amount of help?"

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Sunday, 13 May 2012 17:43 (eleven years ago) link

great use of john hodgman btw - i wonder if they'll ever get him and john oliver together

Nhex, Sunday, 13 May 2012 23:13 (eleven years ago) link

throughout the first season Harmon talked about how he'd probably only be showrunner for a year and then go off and do other things once the show is up and running and in a groove. i'm glad he didn't do it then, but if he needs a break or w/e sure see how other people do with it.

you guys can guess how i felt about the scene where Abed has a seizure/tantrum because he doesn't understand fucking daylight savings time

contendo entertainment system (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 01:13 (eleven years ago) link

btw since when has 'showrunner' been a term of use

mookieproof, Monday, 14 May 2012 01:14 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2011/10/14/showrunner_meaning_and_origin.html

late 1980s

Mordy, Monday, 14 May 2012 01:18 (eleven years ago) link

thank u

mookieproof, Monday, 14 May 2012 01:19 (eleven years ago) link

Harmon doesn't want to leave as far as I can tell. It might be an issue with Sony. His next two guys are going off to do something else.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 14 May 2012 01:28 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i know the whole thing is foggy, i'm just saying it's not like he's ever been "this show can't exist without me," so neither should viewers imo

contendo entertainment system (some dude), Monday, 14 May 2012 01:31 (eleven years ago) link

you guys can guess how i felt about the scene where Abed has a seizure/tantrum because he doesn't understand fucking daylight savings time

I think this saddened me so much that I blocked it out from my memory.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 14 May 2012 01:32 (eleven years ago) link

Also feel this show has gone places I don't think he would have expected it to in that first season.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 14 May 2012 01:36 (eleven years ago) link

Tonight's Cougar Town's Title card was changed to "Cougarton Abbey"

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 00:01 (eleven years ago) link

Amy Pond for Inspector Spacetime:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtEW3dAAF7M

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 00:46 (eleven years ago) link

so i think there are 3 new eps tnite?

Mordy, Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:54 (eleven years ago) link

yeah. last three of the season.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 17 May 2012 17:57 (eleven years ago) link

"I guess there's no 'hug' button?"

Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 18 May 2012 00:09 (eleven years ago) link

Oh wow, that Blacksmith scene...

Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 18 May 2012 00:15 (eleven years ago) link

thought it would be a total waste of an episode but i did laugh pretty hard at the jive turkeys.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 18 May 2012 00:28 (eleven years ago) link

last couple of episodes more emotionally satisfying than i expected. seems like they were expecting cancellation with that ending (even though they throw a couple of leads for next season)

Nhex, Friday, 18 May 2012 02:12 (eleven years ago) link

Those last two episodes were pretty great.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 18 May 2012 02:20 (eleven years ago) link

thought it would be a total waste of an episode

Yeah, took me a few minutes to acclimate, but it ended up being really good. And then the two bigger arc episodes were fantastic. Not a lot of totally lol jokes, but plenty of warm and fuzzy.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 May 2012 02:33 (eleven years ago) link

Glover's delivery of "He MURDERED a man...call the police to take him to jail."

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 18 May 2012 02:50 (eleven years ago) link

Axel F on the keytar.

s.clover, Friday, 18 May 2012 03:01 (eleven years ago) link

"mostly hardhouse, some dubstep"

s.clover, Friday, 18 May 2012 03:02 (eleven years ago) link

"Troy & Abed shooting laaaaaava"

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Friday, 18 May 2012 03:35 (eleven years ago) link

It might have been my SSRI withdrawal, but I began to well up a few times in that last hour.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 18 May 2012 03:39 (eleven years ago) link

those were great. right up there with remedial chaos theory, documentary filmmaking: redux and virtual systems analysis as best-of-the-season/series.

finale finale was a bit weaker than the first two but still great.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 18 May 2012 04:45 (eleven years ago) link

I thought the finale finale was great! Evil Abed ripping apart Britta was stone cold, and his saunter through the halls with the cigarette was fantastic.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 18 May 2012 04:46 (eleven years ago) link

and the Britta dinosaur callback!

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 18 May 2012 04:47 (eleven years ago) link

ahah, i got a quick guffaw from that one

Nhex, Friday, 18 May 2012 04:50 (eleven years ago) link

oh, finale finale was great - just wasn't as laugh a minute for me as the first two. it brought the feelings. which are also important for community.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 18 May 2012 05:01 (eleven years ago) link

choice moment of the moment is shirley and annie killing the blacksmith and his wife - NO WITNESSES!

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Friday, 18 May 2012 05:01 (eleven years ago) link

also enjoyed Leonard's joke

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Friday, 18 May 2012 05:45 (eleven years ago) link

"there's no bad press"

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 18 May 2012 05:46 (eleven years ago) link

Frog Extinction
Ostritch
Other Parrot
Anglerfish
Seal
Spider
Snake
Parrot
Swordfish
Rhino
Magic Carpet
Rocket Ship
Albatross
Ladder Bus
Hidden Pipe
Subcon Vase
Magic Flute
Star Zone
Rashes
Zits
Pimples
Dark Queen
Mechanical
Stoneship
Channel Wood
Space Ship
Old Man Trainer
Fly on a Bird
Cinnamon Island
Seal Along the Shore
Black Lightening
Hornet
Shredder
Avenger
Wine Hat
Magic Feather
Raccoon Clothes
Running Jump
Collect All Blue Coins
Island of Annoying Voices
Hot Tub End Boss
Mustached Mushroom
Bell Toss
Charsed Fireball
Time Bomb
Rock Punch
Blue Fire
Green Fire
Purple Fire
Boring Regular Old Fire
Flying War Ships
Clown Face Helicopter
Teeter Totter Flying Floor
Unstable Bath
Impervious to Lava
Underwater Exploration
Hover Puppy
Giant Ant Dance Club
Good Karma Quests
Fun Murder Quests
Unkillable Bears
Antiphysics Horse
Bubble Attack
Leaf Attack
Time Freeze Attack
Metal Blade Attack

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Friday, 18 May 2012 05:54 (eleven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/8fbbn.gif

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Friday, 18 May 2012 06:02 (eleven years ago) link

http://craigashforth.tumblr.com/

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Friday, 18 May 2012 06:05 (eleven years ago) link

Rave Dean!

Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 May 2012 06:05 (eleven years ago) link

so at the end, were they helping troy move back into the apartment, or was britta moving in with them?

also lol @ starburns disguising his hair but not his sideburns

the minister of RAILWAYS (reddening), Friday, 18 May 2012 07:44 (eleven years ago) link

they were just taking down the dreamatorium, I don't think anyone was moving anywhere.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Friday, 18 May 2012 07:51 (eleven years ago) link

No, there were boxes being carried in there. It just looked like Troy might be getting his own room.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 18 May 2012 08:05 (eleven years ago) link

Troy is becoming more responsible, and blanket forts only hold their novelty for so long.

The finale was great -- I think I would have been fine with it being the last ever episode of Community, it would be a good note to go out on.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Friday, 18 May 2012 12:22 (eleven years ago) link

I realized this show is a lot like Venture Bros in the sense that both started out accessible enough but at this point only make their loyal fans even more loyal and nobody else can really knows what's going on.

Evan, Friday, 18 May 2012 15:57 (eleven years ago) link

Video game ep was A+. (Hopefully, the other two will be up soon.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 18 May 2012 17:07 (eleven years ago) link

otm

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 May 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link

These are really awesome.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 May 2012 17:51 (eleven years ago) link

My prayers have been answered.

Goth Britta: the fans demand it

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, May 2, 2012 11:43 AM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 May 2012 17:59 (eleven years ago) link

OMG that videogame episode. Knocked the Claymation ep into a cocked hat.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Friday, 18 May 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link

Goth Britta was hot.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 May 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link

Overall I'd say the finale was a bit weaker than the previous two (I'm assuming the videogame ep was bumped back in the season) but still great. Evil Chang plotline a lot more satisfying than air conditioning repair plotline, if only because I was holding out for more John Goodman.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Friday, 18 May 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, I was really dreading the Evil Chang plotline becaue I'd really grown tired of him over the season, but I thought the payoff was actually pretty good.

Jim Rash needs an Emmy to match his Oscar.

heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 May 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link

evil chang has been great because chang is evil. s2/early s3 chang wasn't evil, just pathetic, thus why he didn't work.

a hoy hoy, Friday, 18 May 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link

It might have been my SSRI withdrawal, but I began to well up a few times in that last hour.

God, that's so pathetic. I certainly didn't nearly cry at all. It's these onions.

trishyb, Friday, 18 May 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link

"My name is Hilda I work in the village"
"Lesbian"

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Friday, 18 May 2012 22:04 (eleven years ago) link

I'm assuming the videogame ep was bumped back in the season

Well, it took place at some point after they'd become the Greendale Seven, so I bet it was in sequence.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 May 2012 22:21 (eleven years ago) link

Dan Harmon ‏@danharmon
gillianjacobs's photo http://t.co/lLmMtqL9

http://distilleryimage2.instagram.com/86ecc768a05111e1ab011231381052c0_7.jpg

“'lil preview of me, Alison and Jim from 1 of 3 new episodes airing tonight!”

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:09 (eleven years ago) link

i got a bit eye-rolly when they did two genre eps in a row, on the same night, not that they could've planned it but come on now, what would whiney think

they were both good eps tho

and i'm glad they actually ended on a conclusion episode instead of a big concept $$ episode. hate when tv shows always end a season without actually ending the season.

also britta and troy are super cute together have to admit

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:46 (eleven years ago) link

"i shippe that"

-youth

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 19 May 2012 00:47 (eleven years ago) link

Heist was a genre episode (and a great one -- loved the failed plan that succeeded lampshade). The videogame ep was a gimmick one, but not a genre one, I thought.

s.clover, Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:05 (eleven years ago) link

ok either way

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:13 (eleven years ago) link

assuming that the closing montage was a wire homage

Clay, Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:43 (eleven years ago) link

because the wire invented closing montages!?

s.clover, Saturday, 19 May 2012 01:47 (eleven years ago) link

They may not have invented them, but slow-motion season-ending montages set to a song is identifiably a Wire dealie.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 19 May 2012 02:02 (eleven years ago) link

true, but there are other timelines:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MontageOut

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Saturday, 19 May 2012 02:07 (eleven years ago) link

http://audiko.net/ringtone/Community/Community+8-bit+theme?ring=22100380

Also, 20% off at the NBC Community webstore.

code is GREENDALE20 until midnight.

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Saturday, 19 May 2012 02:26 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.deadline.com/2012/05/david-guarascio-moses-port-to-run-community-next-season/#utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Harmon will be a consulting producer. Two guys responsible for Just Shoot Me are joining the show and taking over. RIP.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:11 (eleven years ago) link

oh, here's a link from Vulture so you don't have click on Deadline: http://www.vulture.com/2012/05/dan-harmon-community-future-nbc-sony.html

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:11 (eleven years ago) link

apparently they were writers on Happy Endings so that's vaguely comforting.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:13 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, that's really the only promising sign. It's likely going to be a very different show, even if not obviously so on the surface.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:20 (eleven years ago) link

"The duo are known for balancing quirky with mainstream comedy" ugh rip

Clay, Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:22 (eleven years ago) link

Fans will annoyingly tout that last night's episode was the "real Series Finale" of Community. I'll hate them, but they might be right.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:24 (eleven years ago) link

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/7e/Squeeze.gif

Clay, Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:26 (eleven years ago) link

I think this might be a good thing. The cast is good. The writers are good. Dan Harmon was constantly on the verge of losing control of the plot and/or his own mind. If this had happened between the first and second seasons, it might spell disaster. The Greendale universe is pretty well defined at this point, though, and these guys aren't going to want to fuck that up.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:39 (eleven years ago) link

If I was in NBC's position I'd probably have sacked him too tbh

Simon H., Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:40 (eleven years ago) link

Is it weird that I love Community but pretty much find Dan Harmon to be a horrible person?

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:41 (eleven years ago) link

Sony sacked him, not NBC.

I'm interested to see where the writers go, but Community never really had that calm, consistent quality of a Parks & Rec. It's greatest moments have been its intelligently outlandish aspects, and Harmon knows a lot about TV and sitcoms and arcs and dramatic blah-diddy-blah. I hope I'm wrong though, but I don't think they can somehow pull an emotional moment like Troy "sacrificing himself" to the Air Conditioner Repair unit without him.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:45 (eleven years ago) link

If Chris McKenna and Megan Ganz stay on board, I won't be worried about the show's heart. Even so, I have to imagine that a zillion talented writers are jumping at the chance to work on Community now that Harmon has departed.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:49 (eleven years ago) link

The decisions about the show's fate seem to be at cross-purposes. I get sacking Harmon, I get ordering a low-faith 13-episode season, but I don't get doing both. It seems like they might as well have just cut their losses and cancelled the thing. Although I guess it might not be too late to do just that?

Also, I think Sony's "showrunners, shmoe-runners" comment betrays a real lack of understanding wrt how many of the fans probably see Harmon and the show as inseparable.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:53 (eleven years ago) link

REALLY hope they do a just shoot me episode next 'son

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:55 (eleven years ago) link

um, hello, laura san giacomo cameo? sign me up!

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:56 (eleven years ago) link

us REAL community fans are catching up on our Me!

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:56 (eleven years ago) link

george segal for jeff's dad? hello nurse!

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Saturday, 19 May 2012 03:57 (eleven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fgR7oeIXFA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFFxTGV-Tdg

Jeff's jump is Mega Man.

Also:

FILM CRIT HULK ‏@FilmCritHULK
HULK BARELY HAS A RESPONSE TO THE NEWS YET. SOMETIMES THINGS JUST CAN'T GO UNFUCKED.

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Saturday, 19 May 2012 04:02 (eleven years ago) link

idk how to feel about this. dan harmon is so transparent with everything that i've found him very interesting to watch/follow, but i agree that it's seemed like he was about to go off the rails at any moment. i also have had some low-level dissatisfaction with the show for a while now -- the emotional arcs have started to feel stagnant and repetitive, and some of the concept episodes have played up the concept at the expense of the comedy. i know everyone stans for S2 of the show, but i really loved S1, even the rougher early episodes. that whole "sitting around the study table, telling jokes" stuff was my favorite and the more they moved away from that, the less connected i felt to the show. the idea that new showrunners = renewed focus on simplicity and jokes is kind of appealing to me, but then again what if the jokes get hacky and bad? idk.

the minister of RAILWAYS (reddening), Saturday, 19 May 2012 04:16 (eleven years ago) link

that said i really enjoyed all three of last night's episodes, and i think troy has had a great arc this year. i am more tired of jeff's tired platitude-speeches (including the "annie here's why we can't be together" ones that he gave like five times this season) and the "abed is broken" episodes.

the minister of RAILWAYS (reddening), Saturday, 19 May 2012 04:19 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, Abed's character was really mistreated this year and was one of my least favorite aspects of S3. Hope they pull back from exploiting his condition (whatever it may be) in the future.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 19 May 2012 04:25 (eleven years ago) link

mckenna's out also

balls, Saturday, 19 May 2012 06:17 (eleven years ago) link

https://twitter.com/#!/meganganz/status/203707622510170112

balls, Saturday, 19 May 2012 06:18 (eleven years ago) link

ah shit

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Saturday, 19 May 2012 06:23 (eleven years ago) link

If Chris McKenna and Megan Ganz stay on board, I won't be worried about the show's heart.

McKenna's gone too

The decisions about the show's fate seem to be at cross-purposes. I get sacking Harmon, I get ordering a low-faith 13-episode season, but I don't get doing both.

NBC ordered the episodes from Sony, Sony sacked (or hired someone new for his job without talking to him) Harmon.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Saturday, 19 May 2012 06:34 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, I just saw that about McKenna. Megan Ganz's tweet is a bit cryptic...is she talking about Harmon, McKenna or herself?

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 19 May 2012 06:37 (eleven years ago) link

I assume Harmon. They were known to work together closely and I believe he gave her her first tv job.

Clay, Saturday, 19 May 2012 06:40 (eleven years ago) link

Apparently the Russo Brothers are out too. If Harmon doesn't stay on day-to-day, one presumes Ganz will be sending resumes within the hour.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Saturday, 19 May 2012 06:50 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, the second-in-commands left to do their own show. That's why I worry for the continuity of tone. Sony just wants to retool it and pray to get it up to syndication.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 May 2012 06:57 (eleven years ago) link

Not that this is a show that would ever do that well in syndication, but I guess it doesn't take all that much to make a decent amount of cash from it.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 May 2012 06:58 (eleven years ago) link

syndication rights in the us have already been bought by comedy central, but I'm not sure if that's provisional re: a certain number of episodes.

Clay, Saturday, 19 May 2012 06:59 (eleven years ago) link

god, if we end up with an entirely new writing staff AND harmon doesn't stay on in any capacity? jesus. i really wish ganz at least would stay.

the minister of RAILWAYS (reddening), Saturday, 19 May 2012 07:00 (eleven years ago) link

the real money in syndication will be when they get to 85 (though 100 is better) and local affiliates pick it up (like 30 Rock, etc). Getting a spot on Comedy Central is good but not the kind of windfall the studio wants. xpost

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 May 2012 07:04 (eleven years ago) link

85 or 100 doesn't matter. There won't be a clamoring demand for the rights to show Community every weeknight at 7:30 after your Big Bang Theory airing. Half the episodes at this point are so bizarre that people just tuning in will have no idea what they're seeing.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 19 May 2012 07:08 (eleven years ago) link

All the money to ever be made from Community will be in dvd/digital sales.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 19 May 2012 07:09 (eleven years ago) link

And action figures.

nickn, Saturday, 19 May 2012 07:13 (eleven years ago) link

following Big Bang Theory would probably be the best possible option for the show to pick up "normal" viewers.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Saturday, 19 May 2012 07:40 (eleven years ago) link

http://danharmon.tumblr.com/post/23339272200/hey-did-i-miss-anything

Harmon speaks, says he will not be involved with the show.

Clay, Saturday, 19 May 2012 08:00 (eleven years ago) link

Fans will annoyingly tout that last night's episode was the "real Series Finale" of Community. I'll hate them, but they might be right.

― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, May 18, 2012 11:24 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Community 2.0 might be awesome, but as far as any vision of the original creative team, this was the real series finale.

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Saturday, 19 May 2012 08:23 (eleven years ago) link

geez harmon's blog post is kind of devastating.

Roz, Saturday, 19 May 2012 08:42 (eleven years ago) link

Weinman pretty good here: http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/05/19/the-community-brouhaha/

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 May 2012 09:23 (eleven years ago) link

Looking at the resumes of the new runners-- never seen Happy Endings. Why isn't it on Hulu? Never heard of Aliens in America. Just Shoot Me? Ugh, the worst.

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Saturday, 19 May 2012 09:32 (eleven years ago) link

still haven't seen the last 3, but I'm glad it sounds like he got to complete an arc.

da croupier, Saturday, 19 May 2012 12:09 (eleven years ago) link

Love the part of Harmon's tumblr post about NBC brass predictably wrongfully assuming that fucked-over creative talent will not go away mad.

da croupier, Saturday, 19 May 2012 12:14 (eleven years ago) link

harmon is so totally fucked over with his contractually guaranteed paycheck for doing nothing after trying so hard to get fired for three years, i feel for him

thomp, Saturday, 19 May 2012 12:20 (eleven years ago) link

can you figure out the error in your logic?

da croupier, Saturday, 19 May 2012 12:43 (eleven years ago) link

The same contract also gives me the same salary and title if I spend all day masturbating and playing Prototype 2. And before you ask yourself what you would do in my situation: buy Prototype 2. It’s fucking great.

the limits of my sympathy for this person show no bounds

thomp, Saturday, 19 May 2012 12:55 (eleven years ago) link

this clearly has been his goal since the pilot

da croupier, Saturday, 19 May 2012 12:59 (eleven years ago) link

Looking at the resumes of the new runners-- never seen Happy Endings. Why isn't it on Hulu? Never heard of Aliens in America. Just Shoot Me? Ugh, the worst.

I know I'm the minority on ilx but I hate Happy Endings -- it is so smug and cynical. RIP Community, I wish it could have ended properly with the finale.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:07 (eleven years ago) link

Surely we've learned by this point that speculating on Community's future is a waste of time and energy? I'm happy to wait for season four before writing it off.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:11 (eleven years ago) link

you picked the weirdest to place on this board to suggest everyone knows speculating on Community's future is a waste of time and energy.

da croupier, Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:13 (eleven years ago) link

like, yeah, i'll check out season 4, but there's a new head chef at the restaurant the old one created. it's fair to be concerned.

da croupier, Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:14 (eleven years ago) link

i've really enjoyed the first three seasons of this show. i'm sure the writing will not be as strong for the fourth season, yet as long as alison brie continues to be an actress on it, i will continue to watch it. no matter who is in charge.

Mordy, Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:33 (eleven years ago) link

Season 4 will mostly be improvised Chevy Chase pratfalls.

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link

Opening episode of season an homage to The Chevy Chase Show.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:47 (eleven years ago) link

Without Harmon, Chase is more likely to get his way. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that won't be a good thing.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link

We may actually get to see a 13-episode homage to The Chevy Chase Show, if we're lucky!

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:52 (eleven years ago) link

I'm really interested in people's contracts at this point, both wrt the writers and the cast. I mean, I'd imagine most people will stay put if they have nowhere else to go for the moment, but if, say, Donald Glover gets a sweet offer and his contract doesn't inextricably bind him to the show, I wouldn't be surprised if he split.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 19 May 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link

I'd be quite surprised if they agreed a fourth season without signing up the main actors (possible exception = Ken Jeong).

Most of the cast, except possibly Yvette and maybe Gillian Jacobs, could easily break out and do their own thing these days. Willing to bet on Danny Pudi appearing in whatever Harmon decides to do next as well.

Other things I liked from the last couple of episodes:

- Abed as plumber was awesome
- "JEFFREY!... oh, hey Britta"
- RAVING DEAN
- Leonard lives with Sexy Dreadlock Guy

Also I love how there's apparently only one policeman in the Greendale area and that guy rules. Shame we didn't get any Garrett or Magnitude in the finale though.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Saturday, 19 May 2012 14:06 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, I'm sure a lot of the actors are just glad they'll be working another year, but for anyone with a future outside of the show they might not want to be involved with a season that will likely be mercilessly picked apart by critics and fans.

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Saturday, 19 May 2012 14:07 (eleven years ago) link

Or, y'know, it might be good? As was mentioned upthread, the Community universe is pretty well-defined by this point, although I think we're unlikely to get anything totally batshit like the chaos theory episode or the Dean doing Apocalypse Now.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Saturday, 19 May 2012 14:12 (eleven years ago) link

Things like Leonard's YouTube clips and the constant references to his rich non-campus life are one of the brilliant things I'm going to miss. There's no way in hell any more trad-oriented-staff is going to have those included with the same deft touch.

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Saturday, 19 May 2012 14:20 (eleven years ago) link

I've seen Happy Endings, so I have my doubts. xp

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Saturday, 19 May 2012 14:20 (eleven years ago) link

These new scab show runners won't be in any position to fight the network on anything

This will be Sony's vision of what Community could have been like without all that weird stuff

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Saturday, 19 May 2012 14:25 (eleven years ago) link

I'm not writing the next season off altogether. I still love the cast and the writers. However, the more diminished the old-school team becomes, the more strikes it has against its potential success.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 19 May 2012 14:27 (eleven years ago) link

Not to mention that whoever's left is likely to feel somewhat demoralized by the bowdlerizing of the show.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 19 May 2012 14:28 (eleven years ago) link

as upsetting as it is to hear that a shitty person got fired for being bad at their job lol @ thinking that what dan harmon brought to the show was 'funny jokes' or, yknow, remotely irreplaceable

Lamp, Saturday, 19 May 2012 14:58 (eleven years ago) link

i don't think you have to think highly of dan harmon to realize that tv shows are like ecosystems that can be easily unbalanced, esp by seismic shifts in staffing, writers, etc. if you liked the show until now, dan had at least something to do with that (either as a writer himself, as an editor, as a manager, whatever myriad tasks he was responsible for).

Mordy, Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:09 (eleven years ago) link

So how was Harmon bad at his job?

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link

I mean Bob Oedenkirk could be kind of a dick but I'm glad he wasn't fired from Mr. Show and replaced with like Drew Carey.

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link

he couldnt deliver a show his bosses were satisfied with?

like idk i had this whole sarcastic thing about how rare it is in hollywood to find a verbally abusive writer with a drinking problem and an inflated sense of their own importance or w/e but harmon fought publicly with the shows biggest star and 'privately' with other writers/producers delivered shows late had problems managing budget/time seemed to actively delight in not compromising w/the studio blah blah blah

Lamp, Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link

the dude calls his blog dan harmon poops... what a visionary

Lamp, Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah but your blog is called Lampfelches

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link

i also have a drinking problem and have watched other tv shows before, maybe i can run community

Lamp, Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:48 (eleven years ago) link

not to mention all those abusive voicemails chevy chase has left for me

Lamp, Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:49 (eleven years ago) link

Satisfying the stupidest people in the world is a job I hope we all fail at

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Saturday, 19 May 2012 15:54 (eleven years ago) link

Maybe Harmon can get the Black Sabbath drummer gig.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:14 (eleven years ago) link

P. sure getting rid of Harmon is just one facet of an intricately-plotted latticework of decisions that will rocket NBC back to the top of the heap. Or, more likely, this was a decision not unlike the one to burn off and quickly get rid of Bent and Best Friends Forever (i.e. "I'm the new guy so fuck the old guy's stuff why because of my big swinging ego.").

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:18 (eleven years ago) link

Although, yeah, I'm sure there's some historical precedent a la Letterman and Norm MacDonald and Al Franken. NBC execs don't cotton to guff.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 19 May 2012 16:22 (eleven years ago) link

Most executives don't, though, to be fair to NBC (even though they're soulless cretins).

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Saturday, 19 May 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link

https://mobile.twitter.com/cpmckenna/status/203696977794449408

Nov. '09 I joined my favorite show on TV and today leave my favorite anything ever. Thanks Community, fans, and @danharmon. E Pluribus Anus.

9:01pm - 18 May 12

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Saturday, 19 May 2012 17:06 (eleven years ago) link

You know, I was going to talk about how much I enjoyed the last few episodes but instead I am just going to back away from this thread

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Saturday, 19 May 2012 17:44 (eleven years ago) link

like mordy, i am bummed about this but will watch season 4 regardless

Nhex, Saturday, 19 May 2012 17:45 (eleven years ago) link

Harmon was horrible at his job and only wanted to get fired and anyone who thinks otherwise is obviously a fan of Community.

da croupier, Saturday, 19 May 2012 17:51 (eleven years ago) link

lol

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 May 2012 17:57 (eleven years ago) link

I can't count the reasons I should stay
One by one, they all just fade away.

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Saturday, 19 May 2012 18:00 (eleven years ago) link

props to Lamp's A+ trolling up there

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Saturday, 19 May 2012 18:06 (eleven years ago) link

I will say, I think these last three seasons have had a great arc of Troy growing up. From ditching his letter jacket to what he learns on his 21st birthday to his self-sacrifice/saving of Dan Bakkedahl/ removing the Dreamatorium and getting his own bedroom.

And finally picking a career direction to head in.

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Saturday, 19 May 2012 18:11 (eleven years ago) link

it's not like it's that hard to have a public fight with chevy chase, he prob gets in fights with his mailman

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 19 May 2012 18:14 (eleven years ago) link

I've seen Happy Endings, so I have my doubts. xp
--Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole)

rayuela, Saturday, 19 May 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link

https://twitter.com/#!/joelmchale/status/203943488084119552

balls, Saturday, 19 May 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link

I've seen Happy Endings, so I have my doubts. xp
--Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole)

― rayuela, Saturday, May 19, 2012 2:27 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

weird, i didn't post this intentionally. random button pressing on the iphone? i love happy endings

rayuela, Saturday, 19 May 2012 22:56 (eleven years ago) link

I've seen Happy Endings, so I have my doubts. xp
--Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole)

― rayuela, Saturday, May 19, 2012 2:27 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

weird, i didn't post this intentionally. random button pressing on the iphone? i love happy endings

― rayuela, Saturday, May 19, 2012 5:56 PM (4 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 19 May 2012 22:57 (eleven years ago) link

Wait, what? I agree, actually. With your second, corrective post.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Saturday, 19 May 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link

http://twitter.com/#!/charley_koontz/status/203985628680040448

Clay, Saturday, 19 May 2012 23:17 (eleven years ago) link

finally watched the last three. First two were alright but the last one was the best since timelines if not S2. Really bittersweet way to go out.

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 01:26 (eleven years ago) link

x-post Charley Koontz was also on Awake (show we were discussing upthread)

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Sunday, 20 May 2012 01:35 (eleven years ago) link

Jim Rash ‏@RashisTVUgly

I owe the last 3 amazing years 2 Dan Harmon's brain. Bless ur dementedly awesome brain, @danharmon. U r #Community.

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Sunday, 20 May 2012 01:36 (eleven years ago) link

Alison Brie ‏@alisonbrie

I'm in creative debt to @danharmon who let us ride the coattails of his integrity, pushing boundaries & making f'ing awesome tv. Thanks Dan.

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Sunday, 20 May 2012 01:38 (eleven years ago) link

all these mentions are just kinda making me more bummed about it, but it's still sweet

Nhex, Sunday, 20 May 2012 01:43 (eleven years ago) link

Dino Stamatopoulos ‏@DinosThirdTwitt

Starburns wasn't officially dead until now. That'll get 'em. #danharmon

Dino Stamatopoulos ‏@DinosThirdTwitt

Fuck Sony. I know that they don't care about me, and I don't love acting, but I'd have done the part again ONLY if my friend wanted me to.

Dino Stamatopoulos ‏@DinosThirdTwitt

I used to get Sony VHS tapes and they always sucked. Switched to FUGI. Way better. No crinkling, better SLP playing. #FUCKSONY

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Sunday, 20 May 2012 02:00 (eleven years ago) link

haha Dino is perfect

Clay, Sunday, 20 May 2012 02:04 (eleven years ago) link

So Megan hasn't announced shit yet, right? What about Ludvig? Who's left of the creative staff?

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Sunday, 20 May 2012 09:09 (eleven years ago) link

btw let me sum this all up:

"Shut up Sony/NBC, I know about your crooked wang."
"No such thing as bad press."

Gentlemen Take Instagram Photos (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 20 May 2012 11:18 (eleven years ago) link

good episodes this week but i'll go ahead and be the optimist about s4, Aliens In America was a good show. and in 5 months when you guys are putting every joke in the new episodes under the microscope, I will remind you that the Harmon regime was capable of shit as hacky as 'axel f on the keytar.'

judas, a scary ho (some dude), Sunday, 20 May 2012 11:39 (eleven years ago) link

yeah maybe these guys will Chang your mind by ensuring that Chang is no longer the most irritating character on television at the moment

if that is possible, of course

Gentlemen Take Instagram Photos (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 20 May 2012 11:46 (eleven years ago) link

- Leonard lives with Sexy Dreadlock Guy

they all look alike to you

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Sunday, 20 May 2012 12:39 (eleven years ago) link

some britisher thinks chang is the most irritating character on tv when the same timeslot has howard's mother on big bang theory. ilx.

balls, Sunday, 20 May 2012 12:51 (eleven years ago) link

Pato is a cape-wearing Australian and as such you have hurt him in his heart. Which is likely the point, so carry on.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 20 May 2012 12:53 (eleven years ago) link

So Megan hasn't announced shit yet, right? What about Ludvig? Who's left of the creative staff?

Would suspect Ludwig's not on contract. Ganz sayz:

No new information re: my job next season, but thanks for the support. I have high hopes they'll give me a free Season 3 DVD!

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:03 (eleven years ago) link

some britisher thinks chang is the most irritating character on tv when the same timeslot has howard's mother on big bang theory. ilx.

Thanks for the insight, "balls". Unfortunately, I consider that to be "hoarse screaming voice as unsuccessful comedic device" rather than any type of characterisation.

Or, as they say in Britain, up yer plums with a brass pole.

Gentlemen Take Instagram Photos (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:07 (eleven years ago) link

i totally expect the guy who watches 100 shows a year will tell us if s4 still makes the top 50.

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:09 (eleven years ago) link

the finale got the lowest ratings of the season, that's burn-off for you

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:14 (eleven years ago) link

i don't think sepinwall watches nearly that many shows and he liked aliens in america iirc though he already wrote his 'uh oh' column.

balls, Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:18 (eleven years ago) link

s3 was def sloppy, and I got more out of 3 shows on ABC this year (plus 30 Rock) than I did community, but has there ever been a case of a show creator getting fired three seasons in where the show actually improved?

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:19 (eleven years ago) link

3 shows on abc! dude i like revenge also but let's not get carried away here

balls, Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:21 (eleven years ago) link

ha! suburgatory, happy endings and apartment 23 (the last admittedly only a few episodes in). I loved the pilot of revenge but for some reason 5 minutes into the 2nd episode the Dawson's Creek-ness of the poor family running the restaurant made me bail.

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:24 (eleven years ago) link

some shows have definitely thrived w/o their creators, but "fired three seasons in" is a prohibitively specific criteria so no, probably not

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judas, a scary ho (some dude), Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:24 (eleven years ago) link

"fired three seasons in" is a prohibitively specific criteria

broaden it in to "where the creator was fired after a critically hailed run"

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:27 (eleven years ago) link

wait so you bailed before they revealed emily thorne's sensei?

balls, Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:28 (eleven years ago) link

possibly, though i reserve the right to catch up

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:29 (eleven years ago) link

Aw, really, croup? You loved s2 as much as I did but preferred Suburgatory and Apartment 23 to s3? I think we actually agreed on where the show was dropping off this season but I still thought there were enough great episodes.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:31 (eleven years ago) link

there were great episodes but I think those shows have been way more consistent and surprising. Admittedly they're in season 1 and not following my favorite season of TV experienced in real-time since the simpsons.

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:32 (eleven years ago) link

revenge is basically lost minus the scifi w/ the narration from desperate housewives but it's still fun, the only network drama i watch. so apt 23 was funny?

balls, Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:36 (eleven years ago) link

Suburgatory is great, but it might be funnier if you actually live in Chatswin.

Mordy, Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:37 (eleven years ago) link

apt 23 is like a more surreal, frothy Girls with James Van Der Beek jokes, basically.

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:38 (eleven years ago) link

My buddy Mo on Harmon is/can be a big dick, but how it's the job of NBC to deal with dicks to get good shows:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/maureen-ryan/dan-harmon-fired-community_b_1529588.html

Take away:

Look, creative types can be a real pain in the ass. There aren't a ton of showrunners who make the trains run on time, make something approaching art and are also nice to everyone (there are a few, and they are worth their weight in gold). But that's the business "creative" executives are in. It's messy, it's not easy, but if TV executives wanted to go into something more predictable and less stressful, why not try accounting?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:40 (eleven years ago) link

i think the s3 peaks (which admittedly i might be talking about 3 or 4 episodes here) hold their own w/ anything from s2 and the valleys might average better than the valleys from s1. parks dipped some this year also i thought (though i'm not one of those who had problems w/ the election plotline, if anything the opposite) but unlike last year where picking a winner between parks and community was more making a choice about what you think a sitcom should/could be than just judging who had the better year here it's pretty clear parks had the better year.

balls, Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:42 (eleven years ago) link

i think you get away with being a crazy showrunner only if your show's a hit. Unless these corporate monoliths decide to speak up for themselves, I just have to assume Sony wants to squeeze out a few more syndication dollars before NBC finally pulls the plug.

were there really valleys in S1? The quality grew gradually, but I can't think of anything as annoying as Detective Chang in s1

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link

valley = not peak episode. i doubt there's five episodes of this show total i haven't liked at least as much as yr average ep of suburgatory. the only episode i can think of i remember out and out disliking was the season 2 abed as jesus one.

balls, Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:51 (eleven years ago) link

Detective Chang was amazing, could have taken another couple of eps with his disconnected internal noirration

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Sunday, 20 May 2012 13:52 (eleven years ago) link

valley = not peak episode. i doubt there's five episodes of this show total i haven't liked at least as much as yr average ep of suburgatory. the only episode i can think of i remember out and out disliking was the season 2 abed as jesus one.

― balls, Sunday, May 20, 2012 9:51 AM (43 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah same here, and i am one of Suburgatory's bigger fans here. Apt 23 is aight but i'm not sure its best ep is as good as Community's worst.

Abed as Jesus is one of my faves!

judas, a scary ho (some dude), Sunday, 20 May 2012 14:42 (eleven years ago) link

My favorite article on this so far:

Auditionmoviesite.com

Comedy veterans David Guarascio and Moses Port have became a member of cult comedy series Community as executive producers-showrunners. Creator-executive producer Serta Harmon, that has run the underrated single-camera NBC series because of its first three seasons, is a talking to producer. Community, a decently-ranked series having a large online following and rabid group of followers, arrived a 13-episode renewal for pick up if this will relocate from Thursday to Friday. Requested the 2009 week whether Harmon will return as showrunner pick up, NBC chairman Bob Greenblatt stated, “I expect his voice to participate it.” Greenblatt ignored the concept the discussion about Harmon possibly walking lower from day-to-day oversight from the show comes from his ongoing feud with co-star Chevrolet Chase, stating that you will find bigger factors beyond that. “Dan’s the creator from the show, to lose his voice could be pretty crazy,” Community star Joel McHale told TVLine on Monday. “I pray it calculates well"

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Sunday, 20 May 2012 15:01 (eleven years ago) link

I pray it calculates well

Mordy, Sunday, 20 May 2012 15:02 (eleven years ago) link

CHEVROLET CHASE

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 20 May 2012 15:04 (eleven years ago) link

Rich Corinthian leather

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 20 May 2012 15:09 (eleven years ago) link

Academy Award De La Hoya

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 15:12 (eleven years ago) link

lol harmon's myspace handle was 'unspeakablesadness'

judas, a scary ho (some dude), Sunday, 20 May 2012 15:16 (eleven years ago) link

btw maybe i missed some especially damning story but i don't really know why Harmon's being considered a bigger-than-average asshole, especially in Hollywood. i kind of figured that his tendency to care too much was just being treated loosely as character flaw while acknowledged implicitly as a prerequisite for his job. if anything it was the sharing too much that did him in -- whether or not the Chevy thing was what directly resulted in his firing, it was pretty dumb/naive of him to think he could play angry voicemails from his show's most famous actor in front of a paying audience of any size and think that wouldn't cause a shitstorm on the internet.

judas, a scary ho (some dude), Sunday, 20 May 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link

i think there's an unspoken Hollywood rule that you can only air your dirty laundry to Nikki Finke

Nhex, Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link

Geez Dennis, are you on coke?

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:32 (eleven years ago) link

I think Harmon just doesn't know how to use his inside voice and/or play well with others.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:34 (eleven years ago) link

Best part was Goth Britta and then the Dean randomly remembering they throw raves there on the weekend!

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:43 (eleven years ago) link

As much as I appreciated his transparency and candor, I don't think having such an open relationship with fans worked in Harmon's favor at all. At least not with respect to his success at this particular endeavor. He probably built a pretty sizeable fanbase who will continue to check his stuff out.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 20 May 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link

I'd be excited for his next move if I didn't remember Running Wilde

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 17:43 (eleven years ago) link

The air conditioner school stuff was awesome enough that I really wish Ken Jeong had skiddadled to cinema and not forced them to find shit for him to do at the expense of everything else.

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 17:45 (eleven years ago) link

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m48gfsxYWv1rwsy5jo1_500.jpg

yeah i was actually kinda crestfallen by 'are you on coke' cause i was hoping they were gonna fully commit to the mad max vibe for the scene

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 20 May 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/grace-parra/dan-harmon-community_b_1531004.html

Who is this? Those of us not applauding Harmon's firing are bad people, because he apparently mistreats his employees (tho there are no instances cited, nor have any appeared in the press aside from him playing the Chevrolet tapes.)

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Sunday, 20 May 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link

i don't know who that is but she is v v attractive

judas, a scary ho (some dude), Sunday, 20 May 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link

Blog content is terrible, yeah, but she's pretty.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 20 May 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link

While NBC probably would have preferred Sony not fire Harmon, and avoid more "NBC why u hate funny?" shit, they already slotted it for a half-season on Fridays, so in the long run it's not their battle.

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link

Hm, wasn't as into "The First Chang Dynasty". I hate Chang and his army though. I kind of felt like I was watching an Adult Swim show (which I generally don't like at all). I was actually a little touched when Troy send his goodbyes, however.

I guess I'm just not that enamoured with Suburgatory or Apartment 23, although I'll watch them if I'm too lazy to do anything else. Parks and Recreation and 30 Rock might possibly have been better than Community this season.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 May 2012 19:48 (eleven years ago) link

I don't care. People make TV shows, I usually don't care who it is if the show itself is good. He had a handful of near-duds this season but went out on a good note. Maybe he'll go on to do even way better things than Community after this. Got to look at the bright side. I don't understand people getting all emotional about TV bureaucracy drama.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 20 May 2012 19:52 (eleven years ago) link

because people like the show and are sad to see it gutted after being renewed

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 20 May 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

sad to see it gutted after being renewed

All the cast remains, and so far only one writer has left in protest of Harmon's firing. I wouldn't call that "gutting" the show, but I guess it depends on how much or how little you think Harmon had to do with Community's day-to-day operations.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 20 May 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link

this news definitely shouldn't bother fans of Bob Camp Ren & Stimpy episodes and the last season of gilmore girls

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link

John K. never took Ren & Stimpy so far up its own ass that a change seemed needed. Community has been barreling toward that conclusion for most of this season.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link

ok you just questioned how much dan harmon had to do with the day-to-day and then suggested he made it require rectal surgery

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link

By pretty much every account Harmon was really hands-on and, to his detriment perhaps, unwilling to compromise on a lot of things he wanted to do. Considering his top lieutenants left, and another major writer has quit, and presumably nobody within in the show wanted to step up and take the reigns, and they've had to get two guys who have never worked on it, I imagine there's going to be a lot of changes. Especially as Harmon's idea were very...particular.

And yeah, fans of GG and West Wing and NYPD Blue and whatever know how it can be, but this is worse imo because the studio isn't just trying to maintain continuity without a unique voice at the centre of its creative process, it actively wants to alter it to appeal to more people. There's a real worry that the studio desire is to strip out a lot of the idiosyncratic elements that have tended to set it apart from other sitcoms.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link

"There'll be...an actual clip show!"

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link

i do wonder if they're actually trying to overhaul it or just get it to a syndication goalpost without a lot of hassle

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link

Gutted = stripping away all the moving parts, not just replacing the roof.

Harmon was by all accounts the idea man and mostly hands-on in the editing stage, but the writers did the heavy lifting episode to episode. I trust them to carry what's left of the show's arc in a satisfying way.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link

yeah but the writers that were closest to the larger process are gone.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link

Well, if it comes back in the fall looking more like Friends (in college) than Community, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I don't see that happening.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:17 (eleven years ago) link

lol fever do you understand how writers rooms work???

balls, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:18 (eleven years ago) link

in american tv at least?

balls, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link

I must admit I am curious to see whether it goes Friends (in college) or "Abed dreams the cast are in the Wizard Of Oz"

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:20 (eleven years ago) link

why don't they just make a spin-off where pierce runs a bar

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link

lol fever do you understand how writers rooms work???

Sure, I watched Studio 60 lol.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link

so that's a no then

balls, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:23 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, that's a no. Why would I have any realistic idea of how a writers room works? All I know is that showrunners are, for the most part, a revolving door on tv and it's only a select few whose vision really permeates he or she runs. Harmon is Community, but I don't think Community has to be Harmon.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link

*the show* he or she runs.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link

why would you glibly offer up yr ideas about how things will turn out if you have no realistic idea how it works? you channeling donald rumsfeld or something?

balls, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link

No, but I've been watching a lot of tv for 30 years.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:33 (eleven years ago) link

lol fever do you understand how writers rooms work???

Yes. They very closely resemble the machinations behind major-label recording contracts, specifically, R.E.M.'s $80 million deal with Warners.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link

why would you glibly offer up yr ideas about how things _____________

Also, WELCOME TO THE INTERNET.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link

yay TWO idiots!

balls, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link

Take a nap, balls.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i think i'm done w/ this place again

balls, Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link

see you in september.

jesus christ (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Sunday, 20 May 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link

I'm high as hell and you're about to get shot

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:05 (eleven years ago) link

By his own account, Harmon rewrote everything.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link

yard margs at skeepers

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link

Regardless of whether you think the rehauled show will be better or worse or maintain the same level of quality, it almost literally blows my mind that someone could fail to process that the near-complete turnover of a television show's writing and production staff and replacement of the guy who keeps all the plates spinning (not to mention the fact that Sony's decision makes it clear that they weren't happy with the direction of the show) would most likely result in a vastly different show, if not necessarily on a surface level. I mean, yes, at least much of the cast is likely still gonna be around and the show will probably still center around community college...but different creative teams have unique ideas of what they want to do with a particular set of elements. This isn't really a complicated concept.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link

You know, the US Office was totally different - cast, writers, massively more episodes, etc. - but they did OK for a few years.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link

Like, it ain't rocket science. It's television.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:40 (eleven years ago) link

but those are wildly different shows. I'm not sure who runs a lot of the day to day of Don't Trust the Bitch... etc, but Community is not Two and a Half Men where you have 4 or 5 characters and you just need to hire guys to plug in jokes. The Office is far more of a collaborative effort, as well as its format being pretty simple (know the characters and riff on their situations).

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:49 (eleven years ago) link

How is that really that different from Community? They're not spelunking into the deep dark recesses of the mind or anything. It's still largely a situational comedy.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:51 (eleven years ago) link

the quality of yr average television show indicates that television is a hell of a lot harder than rocket science

call all destroyer, Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:54 (eleven years ago) link

The Office US is an adaptation that was developed from the get-go by Greg Daniels, who still runs it.

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 21:55 (eleven years ago) link

though if someone wants to say "so what if the hands-on creator of this show's been fired, some americans adapted a british show once, turned out ok" we're obv off the fucking rails here

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:02 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, no kidding. I can't tell if some people here are being wilfully contrary or if they have serious issues with reading comprehension.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:10 (eleven years ago) link

this might be bullshit, but i've always thought there was a correlation between the office's drop-off in quality and greg daniels turning his attention to creating parks and rec.

the minister of RAILWAYS (reddening), Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:14 (eleven years ago) link

which in turn has made me scared for the day that parks and rec finally goes south, but so far so good

the minister of RAILWAYS (reddening), Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:15 (eleven years ago) link

the quality of yr average television show indicates that television is a hell of a lot harder than rocket science

Who ever said quality was the driving force behind TV? Every time we get something great I'm extremely thankful, because "According to Jim," "Two and a Half Men," et al, are the standard, not the exception.

And I wasn't saying that "The Office" - an adaptation - was some sort of be-all proof. But it is proof that if you take a property that was in someone else's creative hands - Merchant and Gervais - and give it to someone else, it can do OK. And that is not always the case! (See: Life on Mars, for example). But it is possible. It's worth keeping in mind that "Community," even under the exclusive watch of Harmon, hasn't been this consistent, out of the park success. It's had ups and downs, just more ups than downs. Yet as much as I love this show and wish it stayed on the air as good as it is for as long as possible, I really don't see it that hard a property to hand off. Now, whether the new people go hands off is another matter. My guess is they won't, so the question is, what will they do to it?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:30 (eleven years ago) link

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Yeah, it's like...I'm sure everyone here has worked someplace where everything went smoothly while you were working under one particular boss. And then, once that boss left and was replaced by a new boss, everything went kinda pear-shaped. The work environment and the end goals of the job are the same, but when you have someone who's new or who's less competent or less passionate, or more concerned with efficiency or with pleasing the bosses, the tenor of the workplace and the end product itself can sometimes ultimately suffer.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:35 (eleven years ago) link

Sounds like a plot of "The Office."

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:37 (eleven years ago) link

Mike Schur leaving with Daniels to create P&R is absolutely and clearly the signal of a sea change at the Office, how is this even a vague pondering

(and Daniels hasn't run The Office since then, Paul Lieberstein has been runner since S5, and has just now left to develop the Dwight spin-off)

By his own account, Harmon rewrote everything.

everything in S1, he eased off and learned to trust the new hires after driving all the S1 writers bar McKenna away with long nights.

hey JF, here's an example of some of the plotting done in the room, under Harmon's leadership, before McKenna got credited for Remedial Chaos Theory

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link

They're not spelunking into the deep dark recesses of the mind or anything.

Ha, I think this was their intention with something like "Virtual Systems Analysis" (maybe even "Abed's Uncontrollable Christmas").

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:42 (eleven years ago) link

Bah, these dudes are not on some journey of discovery.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:44 (eleven years ago) link

I didn't say they succeeded.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:45 (eleven years ago) link

Seriously, though, I do see a significant creative difference compared to Two and a Half Men. i.e. I do think they sometimes do more than write jokes for characters in a readymade situation.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:47 (eleven years ago) link

they had an episode that purported to play up a Pulp Fiction angle but was really a parody of My Dinner with Andre and it featured great character development for both Abed and Jeff. that's not "Charlie gets drunk with a crazy girl and Jon Cryer is pathetic".

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:51 (eleven years ago) link

The Office US is an adaptation that was developed from the get-go by Greg Daniels, who still runs it.

well daniels has been co-showrunning with paul lieberstein (toby) for several years now, i.e. mostly just picking up a check. Also The Office has radically declined during that period.

Clay, Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:52 (eleven years ago) link

I think a lot of what we think of as "meta" in Community is what used to be called "high concept."

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:53 (eleven years ago) link

Interestingly, I think we've gotten more character development of Pierce than any other character.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:55 (eleven years ago) link

I think I actually distinguish between the two. I like Community's high-concept stuff but dislike a lot of its meta stuff

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:56 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, everyone who's complained about Community beyond just random quibbles about individual episodes needs to get some serious perspective. Like a long-term Ludovico treatment with the bulk of sitcoms that the networks churn out. It's not the best show on TV, but it's easily one of the best sitcoms of the last ten years. It's maintained a pretty high level of quality overall, but it also had a period of genius that has made a lot of people underrate everything that came after. But it's cool. I think once we've all had a little time to sit with NBC's fall 2013 sitcom crop, most people will come around and appreciate this little golden age we've just had.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:56 (eleven years ago) link

I think I actually distinguish between the two. I like Community's high-concept stuff but dislike a lot of its meta stuff

e.g. I liked the Law and Order parody and loved the video game ep but was less into "The First Chang Dynasty" and hated "Contemporary Impressionists".

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 20 May 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link

whatever greg daniels' current input on the office is, my point is that it's not really a good example of something to soothe minds on the status of community. though it was based on a british concept, it had a strong hand running it from the beginning, one that wasn't forced off without warning three seasons in. wish devil's advocate optimists would at least rep for post-sorkin west wing or something actually similar in situation.

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:03 (eleven years ago) link

da croupier, I think you're forgetting that All In The Family was also based on a British sitcom. Case closed, dealwithit.gif.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:04 (eleven years ago) link

Mike Schur leaving with Daniels to create P&R is absolutely and clearly the signal of a sea change at the Office, how is this even a vague pondering

"sea change" sure, that's a good way of putting it. i've had people get pissed at me for suggesting that the show started showing cracks immediately post-schur/daniels in season 5, and i still hear a lot of "the office didn't get bad until steve carell's last season/after steve carell left."

the minister of RAILWAYS (reddening), Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:05 (eleven years ago) link

already awaiting the "community is still the best thing on at friday at 8:30" defense next fall

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:06 (eleven years ago) link

West Wing seasons 6 and 7 were fine, but nowhere near the quality of the first two and maybe third. I'm actually a bit of a naysayer about Sorkin's work on the fourth season, but that little slump was still way better than the travesty of season 5. But still, it was his voice that was missed and maybe his desire to show little political morality tales vs Wells' desire to go for straight-up soap opera.

Also remember that The Office was seriously retooled between seasons 1 and 2 (as was Parks and Rec, but to a lesser extent).

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:07 (eleven years ago) link

xpost But no one would deny that The Office was good enough those first five seasons, which is two longer than Community made it with Harmon. Five seasons of a quality show is pretty good, especially a network comedy.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:12 (eleven years ago) link

come on now, what would whiney think

massive xposts but if i ever find myself thinking this, that's when i smash my laptop to smithereens and go check in with the trappist monks

Sisig Steve (stevie), Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:15 (eleven years ago) link

Josh, no offense, but I think you're seriously missing the thrust of some of these arguments.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:21 (eleven years ago) link

I mean, I'm not arguing, for example, that The Office wasn't pretty solid for most of those first five seasons. The argument is whether the quality dropped off after that and, if so, whether that had to do with the concurrent change in the person running the show.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:25 (eleven years ago) link

I'll try to distill all the gibberish I've been contributing in this thread down to something simple:

—Dan Harmon was vital to the direction of Community. However, I'm not sure I liked where it appeared Community was going.
—I like the actual writing and acting of Community. All the actors are staying and some of the writers appear to be.
—If it ends up being bad, the 4th season will be forgotten in time kind of like the final season of Roseanne (which was inexcusably terrible).
—Dan Harmon is free to start fresh with a new project. I don't think Hollywood has ostracized him (yet).

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:27 (eleven years ago) link

obv showrunners don't define everything, the office was also suffering from the end of a will-they-won't-they, ed helms giving them one too many nincompoops in the office, a ginormous supporting cast each apparently requiring a line each scene, a shortage of plots that didn't require a field trip. and community had its own woes in s3. Community may well be watchable in the future, but if you loved s2 there's increasingly less reason to assume they'll reach it, and plenty of historical reason the show will get worse.

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:30 (eleven years ago) link

to demuddy that last bit: there's increasingly less reason to assume they'll reach those kinds of heights, and plenty of historical reason to assume the show will get worse.

da croupier, Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:31 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, I say this (again) with the total caveat that I make no premature assumptions about the quality of s4, but a lot of this can be boiled down to: the show is being taken from the person who created it and for whom it is a labor of love and handed to people for whom it is a job.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:35 (eleven years ago) link

(Which is not to say that it wasn't a job for Harmon, but his inability to choke down shit and do what what was maybe most prudent from a business angle makes it pretty clear to me that it was more of a labor of love for him.)

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 20 May 2012 23:36 (eleven years ago) link

My argument has been that before the us office,.everyone was saying it would not work, not least because it was gervais and merchants baby. But it got a new showrunner and another five years and 100 eps or whatever out of an idea most thought was over and done with after a handful of eps. And it faced even bigger changes,.not least an entirely new cast. Why the us office went downhill after five seasons can be chalked up to a confluence of reasons, not least lasting five years.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 May 2012 00:17 (eleven years ago) link

And I agree there is every reason to believe it will get worse, not better, but I might have said that if Harmon had stayed on.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 May 2012 00:19 (eleven years ago) link

The first season of the us office is not thought of fondly, and that's likely all the time these new runners will get.

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Monday, 21 May 2012 00:20 (eleven years ago) link

First season sticks closest to what preceded it, though!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 May 2012 00:23 (eleven years ago) link

You mean because they practically just remade some episodes with new actors?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 21 May 2012 00:28 (eleven years ago) link

a new showrunner and another five years

which showrunner and which five years are you counting from?

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Monday, 21 May 2012 00:46 (eleven years ago) link

And it faced even bigger changes,.not least an entirely new cast.

See.....(okay, this is seriously my last attempt at unmuddying these waters): you are talking about one show which was adapted and turned into a wholly different show. In this thread, we're talking about a show that will, ostensibly, be the same show run by an almost completely new creative staff. There may be some similarities between the two processes, but for the purposes of this conversation, there are a lot more differences. If you're trying to draw parallels, you might find it more helpful to do so with the literally dozens of tv shows that have had a regime change at some point during their run (or even the handful of series that have transformed into entirely new shows as a result of massive creative/cast shakeups). Although, even in that respect, Community is in a somewhat unique position inasmuch as it seems likely that very little (or none) of the current production/writing team will be returning.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 21 May 2012 01:04 (eleven years ago) link

if we're talking about US adaptations of UK shows:

Graham Linehan ‏@Glinner

Great news! The guys who didn't bother to call me when they did the US IT Crowd are taking over Community!

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Monday, 21 May 2012 01:20 (eleven years ago) link

The thing that strikes me most about Community is that not only will it indulge in nerd shit and genre pastiches/exercises(they've never actually parodied a genre yet), but it will actually do this stuff in service to the characters. The Claymation ep was borne out of Abed's manifestation of not being able to connect with his mom that year via stop-motion Christmas specials. The AD&D ep was about the gang trying to prevent a supporting character from offing himself, but also showing vividly painting the gap one group member had with the rest.

My fear with the next year is that you'll get guys who don't get that crucial point; guys who think like several FB friends of mine who like fucking Big Bang Theory b/c it namechecks nerd shit despite being a sitcom from and having a view of geeks/nerds/weirdos torn from the 80s. The most tangible details, to borrow a phrase from Film Crit Hulk, will be the only thing noticed and the actual point to the scene will be lost.

Plus, I'm afraid that weird jokes like the stoned pizza dude perking up at the concept of other timelines will never, _ever_ happen with folks in control who ain't so obsessive.

And we won't get as much deliberate onscreen hate for Glee.

So much great shit came from the obsessions and pop neuroses of the folks writing the show. And who the hell else gunna let Jim Rash run wild like that?

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Monday, 21 May 2012 01:23 (eleven years ago) link

Great news! The guys who didn't bother to call me when they did the US IT Crowd are taking over Community!

Oh, shit. And that's the (apparently godawful) show Joel McHale did a pilot for before getting his Community gig. Wow, if I didn't really love the cast and want the show to still be good at least for their sake, this could be a great 13-episode slice of schadenfreude coming our way.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 21 May 2012 01:28 (eleven years ago) link

Re: Linehan. Holy shit, it is a small-ass world, innit?

Linehan kills the IT Crowd last year letting Chris ODowd and Richard Ayoade come to Hollywood, Jessica St Clair(who played Jen in the American pilot) gets her NBC show canceled, and Joel Mchale(who was to play Odowd's role) hangs in there on the show Linehan watches, which Ayoade has directed at least one ep of.

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Monday, 21 May 2012 01:29 (eleven years ago) link

Xp, naturally. Like I said, small world.

Anybody know if Moffat's ever commented on this show?

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Monday, 21 May 2012 01:30 (eleven years ago) link

so was i the only one who thought the finale was not that funny and easily the weakest of those last 3? i was never that big on the timeline thing, though, 'evil version of me has goatee!' is almost as oppressively corny as 'beverly hills cop theme on keytar guys!'

judas, a scary ho (some dude), Monday, 21 May 2012 01:32 (eleven years ago) link

I think you're hitting the keytar thing a little too hard, sd. What would you have preferred Chang to play (especially since the presence of "Axel F" was, like, the fifth furthest thing from the point of that sequence)?

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 21 May 2012 01:34 (eleven years ago) link

Wasn't as funny, true, but it had more heavy lifting to do, and wasn't a paintball ep.

Also, 'beverly hills cop theme on keytar guys!' isn't really that funny, but 'beverly hills cop theme on keytar guys!' played by a short Asian-American in full Napoleon costume is much funnier.

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Monday, 21 May 2012 01:37 (eleven years ago) link

sorry, i was ranting about how keytar is a played out comedy device five years ago so i'm appalled to a see a show i like resort to that (xpost)

judas, a scary ho (some dude), Monday, 21 May 2012 01:37 (eleven years ago) link

And that's the (apparently godawful) show Joel McHale did a pilot for before getting his Community gig.

I saw about five minutes of it online...it was painful. It mangled one of the original IT Crowd jokes and just had this stilted BBT comedic timing. And I really like Jessica St. Clair and McHale, but they both came off as corny and awful because of the way it was written and directed.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 21 May 2012 01:38 (eleven years ago) link

And who the hell else gunna let Jim Rash run wild like that?

kingfish otm. And are the new guys gonna allow for improvisation? "I have the weirdest boner" was an ad-lib.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Monday, 21 May 2012 01:39 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i want to believe that the chemistry and sensibility of the cast will carry the show, but considering that the highlights of McHale's film career are What's Your Number? and a Spy Kids sequel i have some concerns that dude's taste is not as great as i assume it to be

judas, a scary ho (some dude), Monday, 21 May 2012 01:42 (eleven years ago) link

sorry, i was ranting about how keytar is a played out comedy device five years ago so i'm appalled to a see a show i like resort to that (xpost)

Yeah, but I mean...that keytar is an established Chang-fectation (so, so sorry) from, what, season 1? It's just about maintaining continuity, man?

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 21 May 2012 01:43 (eleven years ago) link

i didn't remember that, sorry i didn't realize Community had already sunk to keytar lols years ago

judas, a scary ho (some dude), Monday, 21 May 2012 01:46 (eleven years ago) link

McHale's standup, The Soup bits, and Loveline appearances probably a far more accurate depiction of his sensibility than a movie script, I must say.

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Monday, 21 May 2012 01:55 (eleven years ago) link

Keytar was excusable for the scene where Chang wrecked Jeff's car with one, and the subsequent struggle/"We're just jammin'!"/tasing.

(also, "Did you say 'keytar,' or did you say 'guitar' like a hillbilly?")

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Monday, 21 May 2012 01:57 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, iirc, Chang wanted to re-enrol as a music theory student in order to improve his compositional chops on the keytar. I think I would have liked to see a Greendale music theory class.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 21 May 2012 02:05 (eleven years ago) link

McHale's standup, The Soup bits, and Loveline appearances probably a far more accurate depiction of his sensibility than a movie script, I must say.

― Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Sunday, May 20, 2012 9:55 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark

oh i know, and he gets writing credits on The Soup etc. but when he picks shitty projects it makes me wonder how much he just kinda got lucky w/ Community.

judas, a scary ho (some dude), Monday, 21 May 2012 02:07 (eleven years ago) link

Anybody know if Moffat's ever commented on this show?

no but: last week Neil Gaiman, who is a fan, responded to the youtube of Karen Gillan wishing she could be be in Inspector Spacetime by wishing he could write any Inspector Spacetime scenes that Gillan might be in.

On Saturday he responded to Harmon's blog post with

You know that bit a few days ago where I volunteered to write an Inspector Spacetime bit for Community if they took Karen G up on her offer to guest-Amy-Pond it?

That statement is, I am afraid, no longer operative.

An hour or two later, he won a Nebula for the episode of Who he wrote with Amy Pond in it.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Monday, 21 May 2012 02:08 (eleven years ago) link

Holy fuck, Britta in glasses.

(Watching "Introduction to Finality" now.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 21 May 2012 02:23 (eleven years ago) link

i think they did that gag quickly in the law and order ep, too

Nhex, Monday, 21 May 2012 02:23 (eleven years ago) link

I just thought she was hot in glasses. I think you're right though.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 21 May 2012 02:28 (eleven years ago) link

Liked the finale. It had heart.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 21 May 2012 02:38 (eleven years ago) link

massive xposts but if i ever find myself thinking this, that's when i smash my laptop to smithereens and go check in with the trappist monks

that was sarcasm

but i still didn't like seeing two theme eps one after another. wouldn't have cared if they were separated by weeks but seeing them back to back like that gave me a srs case of the come on guyses

otoh if next season was literally just 13 different gimmick/homage eps i'd be happy. i'd also be happy if next season was awkwardly terrible because sony is running the show and has no idea what to do with it. that'd be an entertaining switch. i'm excited!

i agree -- given what's gone down, i just want to see them go for broke one way or another.

s.clover, Monday, 21 May 2012 03:16 (eleven years ago) link

One thing I think has led to the uneven quality of the show is that so much of the time they really are swinging for the fences, as it were

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Monday, 21 May 2012 03:41 (eleven years ago) link

While they weren't able to get Bill Murray on the show under Dan's tenure, I'm glad that they at least got Luis Guzman

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Monday, 21 May 2012 03:44 (eleven years ago) link

One thing I think has led to the uneven quality of the show is that so much of the time they really are swinging for the fences, as it were

I'll take interesting potential failure over boring consistency any day of the week (and at least twice on Thursdays).

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 21 May 2012 03:47 (eleven years ago) link

One thing I think has led to the uneven quality of the show is that so much of the time they really are swinging for the fences, as it were

OTM.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 21 May 2012 03:51 (eleven years ago) link

I mean, seriously, they said "fuggit" and did an ep on MY DINNER WITH ANDRE. I was watching it at the gym while on a cardio machine and immediately got it that they were heading out a long way from shore, but the previous 2 years had given me enough faith in Dan & cadre to trust them that they'd make it work and make it make sense, and by gum, they did.

I'm still curious if Danny performed it as Andre or as Abed trying to be Andre, and if that makes a difference. Maybe I'll get a chance to ask him when they to a retrospective panel on the show in 10 years at the Bridgetown Comedy Fest or something.

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Monday, 21 May 2012 03:58 (eleven years ago) link

I think one of the biggest crimes regarding this show's eventual end will be Danny Pudi's genius getting perpetually shortchanged because of (let's face it) his ethnicity (looking forward to his role as Weird Cab Driver #2 in the 2014 Ryan Reynolds romantic comedy, Love, I Suppose!). Although Community should provide a ton of fodder for his reel, so I'd be over the moon if the entertainment industry proved me wrong.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 21 May 2012 04:33 (eleven years ago) link

Saw Yvette Nicole Brown in a coffeeshop today. We were both sweating our tails off in line and I talked to her briefly. I haven't kept up with the show so I didn't have any in-jokes or references to say, just told her I was a fan.

Cunga, Monday, 21 May 2012 04:33 (eleven years ago) link

xp sadly, i agree with you on this

Nhex, Monday, 21 May 2012 04:43 (eleven years ago) link

i suspect pudi may be stuck in "lead actor's best friend" roles for a while.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 21 May 2012 04:44 (eleven years ago) link

where, you know, ryan reynolds will costar with kirsten dunst or whatever and pudi will get "the fat chick" i.e. the woman who is at normal body weight.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 21 May 2012 04:44 (eleven years ago) link

b/c as signs of difference "ethnic" and "normal body weight" are about equivalent in rom-coms.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 21 May 2012 04:45 (eleven years ago) link

i imagine he'll land a supporting role on a sitcom with a laugh track and basically just be the character from the cell phone commercial he was in. extremely bland.

as long as he doesn't end up on the big bang theory. i guess they've already got an "ethnic" type.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 21 May 2012 04:51 (eleven years ago) link

donald glover the next drake

i admit that pudi's "coolcoolcool" has become standard lingo in my household.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 21 May 2012 04:52 (eleven years ago) link

alison brie's career ends, except in hentai

i think she'll do fine.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 21 May 2012 04:53 (eleven years ago) link

chevrolet chase becomes the guy "you love to hate" on the next celeb apprentice

alison brie's career ends, except in hentai

Isn't she still on Mad Men? (Haven't seen the current season yet.)

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 21 May 2012 04:56 (eleven years ago) link

She is, and, if the previews are to be believed, shows up in the next episode.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 21 May 2012 04:57 (eleven years ago) link

gillian carves out a career playing the love interest in every boring indie romcom, never gets to play a character that isn't boring and just a generic stand-in for "desirable woman" in scripts written by guys that go out of their way to avoid making her the MPDG and instead just write her so she gets occasionally angry

xp have never watched an episode of mad men, was under the impression her character isn't really central to it

but yeah i was joking about that, but i seriously have no idea what she'll do after this

but but but

yvette goes back to drake and josh, av club starts reviewing drake and josh

alison brie has been doing movies, she's in "the five year engagement" right now

producer / dj / humanitarian (reddening), Monday, 21 May 2012 05:04 (eleven years ago) link

Brie is a total pro, she'll be just fine post-community. XP

Clay, Monday, 21 May 2012 05:05 (eleven years ago) link

I wish Gillian would dye her hair back to red

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Monday, 21 May 2012 05:46 (eleven years ago) link

Episodes I would like: Abed narrates an Inspector Spacetime episode, while in his mini-dreamatorium. M*A*S*H homage. Something involving Jeff, Britta, and "we were on a break." Cassavetes. Entourage. The West Wing. Something olympics themed. A folk rock group. Asphalt.

s.clover, Monday, 21 May 2012 06:05 (eleven years ago) link

many xps - McHale's standup was very mediocre.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, 21 May 2012 06:37 (eleven years ago) link

Already did a M*A*S*H thing with Jeff being the editor of the paper and Abed being his Radar, right?

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Monday, 21 May 2012 07:32 (eleven years ago) link

Did anyone else watch "That's My Bush"? Remember the last episode where it spins off into like Cheers and Jeffersons mini-episodes?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 21 May 2012 07:40 (eleven years ago) link

Allison Brie is on today's Comedy Bang Bang with Bob Odenkirk and Jason Mantzoukas

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Monday, 21 May 2012 09:38 (eleven years ago) link

My biggest Community fear is that it will become nothing but wacky pop culture references, a la Family Guy. Which, if I were honest, I've caught glimmers of throughout its run, albeit extremely well handled.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 May 2012 12:07 (eleven years ago) link

with SAUL GOODMAN and Jason Mantzoukas!

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Monday, 21 May 2012 12:14 (eleven years ago) link

the show didn't have to create a false dichotomy of 'weird' and 'normal' episodes (especially since i kind of suspect that the theme/parody episodes would probably be some of the most accessible ones, i.e. seeing the right episode first could easily hook a Law & Order or zombie movie buff), but by overdosing on those episodes and basically doing the Treehouse of Horror once or twice a month they painted themselves into that corner where that's the expectation the show has to serve now, as much as being funny or true to the characters.

judas, a scary ho (some dude), Monday, 21 May 2012 13:22 (eleven years ago) link

but i'd argue that at their best they delivered 'theme' episodes that still pushed the characters further along...

Sisig Steve (stevie), Monday, 21 May 2012 13:40 (eleven years ago) link

obviously they've often succeeded on all 3 fronts, i'm just saying

judas, a scary ho (some dude), Monday, 21 May 2012 14:09 (eleven years ago) link

Allison Brie is on today's Comedy Bang Bang with Bob Odenkirk and Jason Mantzoukas

holy shit this is the greatest news I've heard all week. i love jason mantzoukas so much

producer / dj / humanitarian (reddening), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:09 (eleven years ago) link

xpost -- hahaha

Ned Raggett, Monday, 21 May 2012 16:10 (eleven years ago) link

what IS that thing next to martin sheen? or is that emilio estevez?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:10 (eleven years ago) link

It's Joel McHale and Chevrolet Chase (during his period of heavy steroid abuse), I believe.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:12 (eleven years ago) link

Chevrolet Chase is still the funniest fucking thing

I'M THAT POSTA, AAAAAAAAAH (DJP), Monday, 21 May 2012 16:14 (eleven years ago) link

Ha ha that's neither Martin nor Emilio

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Monday, 21 May 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link

He's Joe Estevez, Soul Taker extraordinaire.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Monday, 21 May 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link

Some pretty good discussion about the role of a showrunner in this A.V. Club article, specifically comparing the Community situation with previous instances of central people leaving/being fired from other shows.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Monday, 21 May 2012 20:26 (eleven years ago) link

good article. kinda surprised they didn't mention the whole deal with Sorkin, which was pretty extreme (he wrote the vast majority of almost every single script during his West Wing run, in additional to all the other crazy responsibilities)

Nhex, Monday, 21 May 2012 21:32 (eleven years ago) link

that was a good a.v. club article, thank you!!!

they alluded to sorkin, right, without getting into it.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 05:52 (eleven years ago) link

VanDerWerff knows about Sorkin and all that, and I think he might have addressed it in the previous thing he wrote about Harmon leaving.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 05:58 (eleven years ago) link

oh, ok. i tend to wonder about those personalities in general. don't know much about the Moonlighting guy, besides the obvious changes to the show on screen.

or even someone like Pamela Fryman, who's credited as director on about 90% of all How I Met Your Mother episodes, certainly has a hand in that show's consistent style and tone, if not the quality of the scripts which seem to vary wildly from season to season despite having the same showrunners/creators since its inception

Nhex, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 05:59 (eleven years ago) link

i found it interesting that the simpsons changes showrunners every few years. i wouldn't credit any aspect of the show to this. it's gone downhill, but so have a lot of shows with more consistent personnel.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 06:31 (eleven years ago) link

uh, disagree. I blame Mike Scully and solo Al Jean, who have each run the show for several mediocre to shitty years, for a lot of that show's downfall. I would agree, however, that comparing the Oakley-Weinstein years to the Mirkin Years to the Jean-Reiss years, you see a show that entered distinct yet consistently strong eras under different leaders

Fellini.Kuti, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 08:57 (eleven years ago) link

i just meant that i wouldn't NECESSARILY blame a shifting roster of showrunners for a show's decline. don't know the specifics re. the simpsons.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 08:59 (eleven years ago) link

a lot of these shows (the office, simpsons) that lose their show runners replace them with people who have been working on the show for years. even the guy who took over for sorkin had been a west wing producer since the beginning. I'm trying to come up with another show that had a complete creative turn-over.

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 09:26 (eleven years ago) link

not a complete turnover but the closest example to that I can think of is maybe Heroes? iirc NBC didn't get rid of its creator, but did fire its two showrunners, after ratings plummeted between the first and third seasons, and then fired another producer a few months after that.

They then brought back in Bryan Fuller (creator of critically-beloved, audience-kryptonite shows like Pushing Daisies and Dead Like Me) who had written for the show in season 1 - a lot of fans believed his scripts were the reason the show was so strong in the beginning. At this point though he had just come off the end of Pushing Daisies and hadn't worked on Heroes for two years. While he wasn't credited as a showrunner, he ended up taking over most of the main writing duties for the end of s3 and the start of s4.

I think he even managed to push the show's ratings up slightly when he came back - but the damage was done by then.

Roz, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 12:34 (eleven years ago) link

the Simpsons case seems like a particular kind of extreme to me, in that the decline was so rapid despite what looks like very few major changes in creative personnel. Listening to the DVD commentaries it's pretty clear that while the first few groups of showrunners had very strong and clear ideas about what they wanted the show to be, Mike Scully let it be much more of a free-for-all, and the result there is deviating towards all of the show's worst tendencies. I don't know how much we can parallel that with Community - which seems to me to already be looser with any kind of overarching principles - but I can certainly imagine a caricature version of Community getting very bad very quick.

Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 12:51 (eleven years ago) link

actually Bryan Fuller would prob be the best possible person to take over Community, and i'm totally not kidding

tell peeta my fire dress is draggin on the floor (some dude), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:08 (eleven years ago) link

He would be great!

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:12 (eleven years ago) link

iirc Frank Darabont was showrunner and head writer on and developer of the Walking Dead TV adaptation, with Kirkman writing one episode; at the end of S1 Darabont fired the entire writing staff and planned to write S2 with freelancers; then six months later, with this new work perhaps not having eventuated, AMC fired Darabont.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:32 (eleven years ago) link

actually Bryan Fuller would prob be the best possible person to take over Community, and i'm totally not kidding

Would support this 100%. It would still likely be a different show with a different sensibility, but it's at least a sensibility I trust.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:37 (eleven years ago) link

i think his ear for dialogue and characterization and his appreciation of genre conventions could easily be tuned to the show's sensibility

tell peeta my fire dress is draggin on the floor (some dude), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:40 (eleven years ago) link

iirc the Walking Dead "fired the entire writing staff" thing turned out to be greatly exaggerated

tell peeta my fire dress is draggin on the floor (some dude), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:42 (eleven years ago) link

the Simpsons case seems like a particular kind of extreme to me, in that the decline was so rapid despite what looks like very few major changes in creative personnel.

It may, perhaps, be instructive to read the list of Simpsons showrunners below, keeping in mind both the show's original "two-season showrunner" formula and the point at which The Simpsons began its decline:

  • Season 1–2: Matt Groening, James L. Brooks, & Sam Simon
  • Season 3–4: Al Jean & Mike Reiss
  • Season 5–6: David Mirkin
  • Season 7–8: Bill Oakley & Josh Weinstein
  • Season 9–12: Mike Scully
  • Season 13–present: Al Jean

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:42 (eleven years ago) link

every time i think 'oh Community will attract a bunch of new writers who are fans of the show and want to keep it as great as it's been' i think about what's happened with The Simpsons and feel pessimistic again

some cute (some dude), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:45 (eleven years ago) link

i think his ear for dialogue and characterization and his appreciation of genre conventions could easily be tuned to the show's sensibility

Oh, I think I'd trust him completely to get the tone of the show and understand the characters and the rhythm of the show, etc. I just think he'd bring a whole different perspective to the endeavor. I haven't seen a lot of indication in his work, for example, that he's anywhere near the pop culture obsessive that Harmon is, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of the genre pastiche fall to the wayside.

I'm veering awfully close to "backstage at Community!" fanfiction now, though, so I'mma just pull back on the ol' reins.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link

iirc the Walking Dead "fired the entire writing staff" thing turned out to be greatly exaggerated

still ended up with everyone except Kirkman turning over in the space of like two eps though?

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:50 (eleven years ago) link

yeah but i mean -- cable shows have small writing teams, people moving onto other projects, etc. it seemed like typical stuff sensationalized into "they fucked up and they're gone, let's start over"

some cute (some dude), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link

what IS that thing next to martin sheen? or is that emilio estevez?

― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, May 21, 2012 12:10 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

its robert z'dar!

Hungry4Ass, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:56 (eleven years ago) link

I don't know why but the idea of a Community episode where all of the actors play caricatures of themselves as imagined by their characters (ie, Jeff Winger does a Joel McHale imitation, etc etc)

This has nothing to do with the current conversation, I just wanted to share.

that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:57 (eleven years ago) link

That was the issue I had w/the av club article, the claim that the Walking Dead has improved after Darabont was fired. I would say it's been the same consistent level of awful since maybe the 3rd or 4th episode?

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:57 (eleven years ago) link

it seemed like typical stuff sensationalized into "they fucked up and they're gone, let's start over"

the dude that fired them and adapted the series and was showrunner subsequently getting fired is the most pertinent part here!

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:00 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, that's beyond the typical writers room turnover. plus it was pretty heavily publicized, considering what a huge ratings success Walking Dead has been for AMC - beating Mad Men and Breaking Bad - it seemed bizarre that the network would get in this fight

Nhex, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:17 (eleven years ago) link

actually Bryan Fuller would prob be the best possible person to take over Community, and i'm totally not kidding

lol I wrote that post abt Heroes and this totally didn't occur to me but YES. Can someone make this happen?

(last I heard he's working on a Munsters reboot, which also sounds like something by him I'd watch tbh.)

Roz, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 14:27 (eleven years ago) link

The presence of a creator I respect is the only thing that might get me to warily check out a Munsters reboot.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:16 (eleven years ago) link

note: it is supposedly a "darker", "edgier", "sexier" reboot for our modern times. prime remake material!

Nhex, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link

well at least it's not a Ryan Murphy reboot of the Munsters

some cute (some dude), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link

I think the world's been clamoring for a sexier Herman Munster. Generations of people who've been unsuccessfully trying to use pictures of Fred Gwynne as j.o. fodder will be relieved.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link

the world is just not ready for lingering shots of Herman Munster's bare ass

that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link

I think the world's been clamoring for a sexier Herman Munster. Generations of people who've been unsuccessfully trying to use pictures of Fred Gwynne as j.o. fodder will be relieved.

http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2008/09/this%20ain%27t%20the%20munsters%20box%20cover.jpg

*de-tumesces*

Sisig Steve (stevie), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 15:56 (eleven years ago) link

*pours denatured alcohol into eyes*

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link

take it to the 50 Shades of Grey thread

that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link

I'd watch if Herman had Fred Gwynne's accent from _Pet Sematary_

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link

Re: Simpsons show-runners

Whoever mentioned them, have you listened to the commentaries for the years it started to get bad? Do they think it is awesome? I presume they try to forget how much the episodes suck and instead spend 20 minutes talking about how they got Tony Hawk or Billy Joel to star in that episode.

a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link

I didn't post about the Simpsons showrunners, but I've listened to a few commentaries from the craptacular seasons. They were all filled with long, awkward silences, occasionally broken by "Oh, I remember this." Nothing remotely like the exciting and informative Mirkin commentaries.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link

so SOLELY due to the urging of a few ILXORS i finally tried community again last night: the 8-bit episode which might as well have been made for me as much as it tried to hit my sweet spot of interest
and nothing. I find the sensibility to be like a trying-but-failing Better Off Ted... which, admittedly I love. But the acid and zip in BOT is missing and this wallows instead in Family Guy style "hey everybody i'm making a joke! look at the joke i'm making! Look, I made it! >>quick cut to next scene<<" or (even worse) the office brand of making jokes that are less about being funny and more about your awareness of what a character would or wouldn't do and isn't it funny to see Dwight doing a crossword puzzle with a quill? i also think it's the lead writer's sensibility just not jibing with my sense of quality and humor; i made the mistake of looking at that guy's blog and he's an idiot.
It seems better than outsourced or whatever that other fucking thing was that started at the same time and that I always assumed was basically the same show. it's even better than most current network sitcoms. but i'm not entirely sure i get the overwhelming nerd love.
allison brie can get it tho

phooey and nuts and phooey (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link

8-bit episode = "Digital Estate Planning", where they play a video game to win Pierce's inheritance? If you didn't like that, you should probably avoid the show altogether.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link

i didn't like that and i should probably avoid the show altogether.

phooey and nuts and phooey (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link

but i DID like the unspoken joke that the childish gambino character goes everywhere in the game by endlessly jumping rather than ever walking.
that was about the best bit for me.
otherwise they even wasted giancarlo esposito which i didn't know you could do

phooey and nuts and phooey (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link

disagree w/ Sund4r, that episode was not representative or one of its best at all

waggin the cock and flow tit (some dude), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link

that's like the absolute last episode I would show to someone to try to convince them to like Community except maybe for the chaos theory episode

IMO you'd have been better served with the billiard episode from season 1, and even that would be a stretch

that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link

not that the comedy universe of forksclovetofu is something i can claim to understand (xpost)

waggin the cock and flow tit (some dude), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link

otherwise they even wasted giancarlo esposito which i didn't know you could do

can't really argue with that, but better him wasted here than wearing a genie costume on once upon a time

producer / dj / humanitarian (reddening), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link

haha was gonna say the same thing

waggin the cock and flow tit (some dude), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link

Whoever mentioned them, have you listened to the commentaries for the years it started to get bad? Do they think it is awesome? I presume they try to forget how much the episodes suck and instead spend 20 minutes talking about how they got Tony Hawk or Billy Joel to star in that episode.

i've only gone as far as season 10 with the dvds, but yeah, in the mirkin / oakley & weinstein years you get lots of earnest discussion of the thought processes behind episodes, the kind of debates they had about what was and wasn't right for the show, while in the scully years you get barely related chat, awkward silences, etc etc. the closest you generally get to the earlier meta-commentary is when they're sheepishly regretting individual jokes (less often than they should) or noting how they were concerned about something being too outlandish or stupid... before they went for it anyway.

Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link

that's like the absolute last episode I would show to someone to try to convince them to like Community except maybe for the chaos theory episode

Huh, I've only seen like three or four episodes of Community, but I thought "Chaos Theory" was brilliant and made me want to watch more.

Never translate Dutch (jaymc), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link

better him wasted here than wearing a genie costume on once upon a time

Wait, what? This actually happened?

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link

forks, i have no stake in convincing you to like this show but plz watch the dungeons and dragons episode which i think is accessible, hilarious and that you will enjoy.

Mordy, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:49 (eleven years ago) link

also, the 8-bit inheritance game they played reminded me of dwarf fortress

Mordy, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link

that's like the absolute last episode I would show to someone to try to convince them to like Community except maybe for the chaos theory episode

Really? You'd sooner show them "Virtual Systems Analysis" or "Curriculum Unavailable"? "Digital Estate Planning" can be understood without having seen previous episodes, was creative, contains much of what Community fans look for, and imo was a good episode as far as the third season goes.

I would probably also think that "Remedial Chaos Theory" is a decent episode to start with, at least for s3!

But yeah, I love "Advanced Dungeons and Dragons". S2 is all-time.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link

http://i48.tinypic.com/2w2pr1l.jpg

producer / dj / humanitarian (reddening), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:00 (eleven years ago) link

:(

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link

I really like pretty much all of s1 too, btw. I just thought that one of the more normal sitcom episodes might not convince someone of why people get fanatical about the show but who knows? The earliest episodes were so fun that they hooked me, after all.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link

basically, my Community fandom was sparked by the first paintball episode, but the trampoline/mean girls episode really convinced me to investigate further; going back to season 1 retroactively, my biggest lols were the billiard game and the April Fool's episode

that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:05 (eleven years ago) link

i sort of thought the 8-bit episode was very insular for someone not familiar with community.

s.clover, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:14 (eleven years ago) link

definitely. i don't think it would be as good without having seen the previous episode with pierce's father at all

billiards would probably be my choice as introductory episode as well, most of s1 is actually quite accessible, even the greater ones in the second half

i don't think forks would dig this show in any case, tbh

Nhex, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:25 (eleven years ago) link

Oh, the April Fool's one is one of my all-time favourites! I love the subplot about Abed in the nude billiards ep. Maybe you guys are right. I'm not always that good at picking the right episode or song to introduce someone to something.

xpost Oh yeah, I forgot that you needed to know about Pierce's father.

Well, that's the thing though. If someone didn't like the video game ep at all, do you think they would love "Science of Illusion"?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:27 (eleven years ago) link

d&d was the one that pulled me in

mookieproof, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link

16-bit dudes. SIXTEEN

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:31 (eleven years ago) link

I think they had me hooked by the episode where Vaughan and Pierce form a band. I actually wouldn't mind a return to more episodes like that as long as they're done well.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:32 (eleven years ago) link

Gettin' rid of Britta

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link

Well, that's the thing though. If someone didn't like the video game ep at all, do you think they would love "Science of Illusion"?

I think it's much more likely, given that you see much more of the actors talking to and interacting with each other rather than pseudo 8-bit avatars with heavy-handed game jokes. Plus, the Annie/Shirley competition in it is amazing/hilarious.

that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link

I shotgunned the first few eps, didn't really spark my interest until the krumping stinger.

Also, it bears repeating that the pop-culture ref jokes here are doing decidedly more than random cutaways Family Guy-style.

Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link

Fair points, DJP. I like Abed's police chief impression in that ep too.

I may be alone but "Introduction to Film" is one of my favourites. The 'seize the day' accounting class was hilarious imo and Abed using his film to communicate to his Dad was actually kind of touching for me. I also liked how he manipulated Jeff and Britta into becoming frustrated with him like his actual parents had.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link

Maybe I'll watch "Science of Illusion" now.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link

Ha, I forgot that Pierce's Level 6 Laser Lotus robes were in this episode. There may have been more jokes in some of these earlier ones.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link

I think they had me hooked by the episode where Vaughan and Pierce form a band. I actually wouldn't mind a return to more episodes like that as long as they're done well.

― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:32 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah one of my all-time favorites, and it was only like the 8th episode

waggin the cock and flow tit (some dude), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link

actually I think the real reason I like this show so much is because I think all seven of the lead characters are equally hilarious; every time I sit down and try to pick a favorite, I end up shrugging and giving up because they've all really had their moments to shine

my favorite joke is still "Bring it in for a breast bump, ladies! No...? We'll get there" tho

that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 21:18 (eleven years ago) link

Was that in "Aerodynamics of Gender"?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link

yes, probably my favorite non-pastiche episode

that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link

Also, it bears repeating that the pop-culture ref jokes here are doing decidedly more than random cutaways Family Guy-style.

It really only bears repeating for people who haven't seen much of the show and are way too quick about dismissing it. Which I might classify as "deaf ears", so probably not anything that really bears repeating.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 22:18 (eleven years ago) link

Dan Harmon in the writer's room:

http://cdn.wg.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/south-park-manatee.jpg

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 22:28 (eleven years ago) link

LOL

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 22 May 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link

just watched last three episodes, rip to one of the weirdest shows network tv will ever see

call all destroyer, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 02:53 (eleven years ago) link

Those last three eps were so weird and erratic that my wife was ready to write the show off before I even told her that Harmon was leaving. The shit with the bone saw? Chang boasting of eating his twin sister in utero? That insane heist? The air conditioning-off? Just ... weird.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:13 (eleven years ago) link

the eating twin thing is a real thing that i feel like has been used plenty of times in comedy before. also the heist was not weird at all, everyone instantly recognizes what's being parodied there.

some dude, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:17 (eleven years ago) link

No, not the mechanics of the heist. Just the pretense to have Jeff and Britta running around in goth guise, Shirley wearing a beard, Tory and Abed dressing up as repairmen, etc. Just a little too wacky, especially since it's all in service of deposing a despot dictator security guard (who is also the worst thing about the show) and freeing/restoring the utterly bizarre dean (who had been molesting a Jeff doll in captivity? Wasn't that implied?).

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link

you've never seen a movie, have you?

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:30 (eleven years ago) link

No, not the mechanics of the heist. Just <proceeds to list the mechanics of the heist>

that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:30 (eleven years ago) link

sighs. I get the parody, dude. But I didn't think something that hoary needed to be parodied again any more than, I don't know, the keytar.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:32 (eleven years ago) link

Dean's thing for Jeff really has played out a Smithers/Mr. Burns arc pretty quickly, huh

some dude, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link

Power dynamics are different though, as we saw in the karaoke episode, it's not like Jack and Jonathan in 30 Rock.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:36 (eleven years ago) link

new regime will bring desired logic and precision

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 16:59 (eleven years ago) link

I fear new regime will bring more Chang.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link

This show is weird, but I think that aspect gets trotted out too much. It's a blessing and a curse. On one hand, it helps explain why 'normal people' aren't flocking to the show, and it boosts the ego of the fans for being clever enough to enjoy it. On the other hand, because it's sort of blown out of proportion, all that talk maybe scares away people who would otherwise enjoy it, and devalues the more pedestrian aspects of the show that should be viewed as strengths.

I think sometimes the show gets weird in the right (mainstream) way that completely bypasses pretension and hits a sweet spot where anyone who's seen a big budget movie or TV show in the past decade would enjoy it. For instance, the Heist episode. Yeah plotwise it's all very Madlib and convoluted and strange, but this show is in love with pop culture. Weirdly, perhaps, but it's still 100% pop, and there's the sweet spot it can continue to hit if it wants to gain popularity outside of fans that harp on about it's all so deep and experimental.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link

i'll maybe try one more here ("finale" was tivod) but i think the you/me/everyone general consensus that this isn't my thing is about right.

jump them into a gang - into the absurd (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link

finale doesn't really have any value unless you're invested in the characters. I'd watch a different one if I were u.

polyphonic, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link

Don't watch the finale. The earlier suggestion of "Science of Illusion" from s1 is a good one.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link

forks, u should really watch the dungeons + dragons episode. srsly

Mordy, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link

that's a good suggestion, too

that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:38 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, that's a great way in. Nowhere near as weird or up its own ass, I mean, meta as it gets.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:38 (eleven years ago) link

(Man, I hate the A/C school subplot)

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link

they really wasted John Goodman so much...like the WHOLE season i was waiting for them to actually make his presence worthwhile, but it felt like a handful of mildly funny scenes over a strangely sporadic period of time where his character never got to build any momentum

some dude, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:24 (eleven years ago) link

used better than they did omar though

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link

MKW is cool but i mean John Goodman is a giant (no fat joke), you don't bring him in for a multi-episode arc that flimsy

some dude, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link

Goodman was at his best when interacting with Rash, and that only happened twice.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:42 (eleven years ago) link

Cripes, no wonder that AVClub writer gives every episode of this a rave:

I don’t know about you, but I could listen to Chang play the keytar all day long. I hope the show has a full episode of him doing so next season.

Really, AVClub guy? Really>

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link

lol

some dude, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link

I wonder if there was initially meant to be more Goodman in the season and then he had other commitments. His death seemed really abrupt, like he'd been built up to be this big villain and then... he wasn't. Wish he'd interacted with the other characters as well, the aircon subplot was weird because it shunted Troy off to the side when he really needs other characters to bounce off. As it was we got loads of Goodman and Troy, a couple of great scenes with the Dean and maybe one with Abed.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link

i liked his pony tail.

xpost

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:45 (eleven years ago) link

Many eps in season 3 seemed rushed, like they had too many ideas and not enough room to fit them in.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 May 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link

OTM

EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link

not related to Community (I just posted it in the Mad Men thread), but there's interesting insights into the writer's room in this: http://www.gq.com/entertainment/movies-and-tv/201206/roundtable-discussion-matthew-weiner-vince-gilligan-david-milch?currentPage=1

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 22:48 (eleven years ago) link

the eating-twin-in-the-womb joke was done by dwight schrute years ago iirc

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 23:05 (eleven years ago) link

also i hate that family guy ruined the very concept of pop culture references for everyone. not that community does it perfectly, but it IS possible to incorporate them artfully + meaningfully

of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 23:07 (eleven years ago) link

Has anyone rewatched this season all the way through yet? Because I found that my hardcore love for this show didn't really kick in until I'd watched seasons 1 and 2 straight through. So I'm inclined to think watching season 3 may be a slightly different experience outside of the weeklong online bitchfest cycle.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 23 May 2012 23:31 (eleven years ago) link

I've rewatched it straight through (and in order - with 'Contemporary Impressionists' before 'Urban Matrimony and the Sandwich Arts' as produced and 'Digital Estate Planning' right after 'Advanced Gay', which just makes more sense.) and it works a lot better - especially the back half of the season, where the serialization is a constant build of story and funny without the breaking of the suspension of disbelief in between each week.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 24 May 2012 00:00 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/leaked-memo-dan-harmon-community-studio-talking-points-nbc-328815

feel bad that the cast now has to play this game.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 24 May 2012 03:30 (eleven years ago) link

  • Gillian Jacobs ‏@GillianJacobs
Today more than ever I miss @PFTompkins' American Idol recaps for @vulture
  • Paul F. Tompkins ‏@PFTompkins
@GillianJacobs @vulture It's nice to have me alive though, isn't it?
  • Gillian Jacobs ‏@GillianJacobs
@PFTompkins @vulture eh

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2012 05:06 (eleven years ago) link

<3

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 24 May 2012 05:17 (eleven years ago) link

can somebody translate that for me?

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 24 May 2012 06:06 (eleven years ago) link

Jacobs posted that she missed a certain guy's American Idol recaps. Certain guy responds by asking if it's nice that he's alive, at least. She responds "eh".

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Thursday, 24 May 2012 06:11 (eleven years ago) link

Gillian says she misses Paul F. Tompkins' recaps of American Idol on The Vulture (because he no longer writes them. Paul says she should perhaps be appreciative that he's still alive, at least. Gillian shows ambivalence to that information.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2012 06:12 (eleven years ago) link

I think what Gillian is saying there is that she wants to marry me.

polyphonic, Thursday, 24 May 2012 06:13 (eleven years ago) link

Those are some pretty sizable lines you're reading between.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2012 06:15 (eleven years ago) link

I thank your formatting for that.

polyphonic, Thursday, 24 May 2012 06:15 (eleven years ago) link

ambivalence is when you're torn between opposing options. "eh" expresses disinterest, i think

Fellini.Kuti, Thursday, 24 May 2012 06:35 (eleven years ago) link

You are right. Or wrong.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 24 May 2012 06:44 (eleven years ago) link

Fever also skipped one by Tompkins collaborator Ben Blacker, introducing the notion of death and mourning into the conversation, which has led to stiltedness and confusion here.

┗|∵|┓ (sic), Thursday, 24 May 2012 07:35 (eleven years ago) link

i have no fucking idea what you guys are talking about.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 24 May 2012 07:53 (eleven years ago) link

track the coverage and conversation and circle back if you feel the need to reshift our plan or messaging

stet, Thursday, 24 May 2012 09:53 (eleven years ago) link

That studio memo makes my flesh crawl. DON'T TELL ME HOW TO FEEL, YOU FUCKING SUIT!...would be my reaction, were I in a position to have received that memo.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 24 May 2012 13:46 (eleven years ago) link

i think that memo is probably pretty par for the course. it's just unusual that it got leaked.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link

It's gross that they pushed all the supportive cast tweets about Harmon under their PR umbrella-- "It was good that you got that shit out of the way early so now the dumbass fans can forget about it."

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:11 (eleven years ago) link

ambivalence is when you're torn between opposing options. "eh" expresses disinterest, i think

disinterested is when you're impartial. "eh" expresses uninterest, I think

kinder, Thursday, 24 May 2012 18:17 (eleven years ago) link

It is jokes

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Thursday, 24 May 2012 18:26 (eleven years ago) link

Megan Ganz is returning for s4.

polyphonic, Thursday, 24 May 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link

thank god. i do wish mckenna had stayed, but this is great news nevertheless. there was that interview a few months ago with ganz and alison/gillian/yvette, and i remember being impressed with both her take on the show and her rapport with the women.

producer / dj / humanitarian (reddening), Thursday, 24 May 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link

That's cool for her, though Now we'll be like, that must have been a ganz joke--it was actually funny

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Thursday, 24 May 2012 18:50 (eleven years ago) link

yeah the return of someone from the old crew will hopefully loosen people up to actually admit when things are funny

some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link

Tompkins played the guy who hit on/discussed Farscape with Abed btw

some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link

Tig Notaro was in that episode/bar as well

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link

as long as donald glover is still surreptitiously writing all the gags i'm sure everything will be fine

Mordy, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link

He ad libbed the "I've got the stragest boner" line

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:05 (eleven years ago) link

i would just read those talking points verbatim in a dry, monotone voice whenever asked an anticipated question.
after 3 of these i would then just start repeating "i am very excited for the new season" over and over with the phoney-est smile i could plaster across my face until they stopped recording and left the room.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link

Obv if Community had been cancelled and the actors were promoting a new movie they were in that would be the line--"community was great but I'm so excited about my new movie". Still it feels Orwellian here

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link

they are professional actors with careers

however much they liked or disliked dan harmon and however much the internet would like them to rise up, there is no upside to them shitting on sony/nbc whatsoever. come on now

mookieproof, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i mean, as far from ideal as the situation is, it would just get worse if everyone who is still contracted to do the show just stopped giving a shit or started turning the whole thing into even more of a media clusterfuck

some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link

That's the entire problem with a show that starts us thinking that that there could be integrity or whatnot in a network/corporate context--obv there can't be, which is why Harmon was fired. Still we don't have to become publicists or apologists after the fact. All fans need to say is fuck Sony and community Season faux.

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Thursday, 24 May 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link

if i thought any act of protest was going to get the guy his job back or have any kind of positive effect on the show or the careers of anyone involved in it i'd be like sure right on, but i can't imagine it being anything other than a shitshow. like the only time i've ever seen this show mentioned on the front page of whatever msn news page is on my work computer's broswer home page is when harmon was feuding with chevy or when he got fired.

some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 20:02 (eleven years ago) link

if one of the actors was going to start throwing flames over this, the talking points would be useless anyways, as the actor would be ignoring them completely.
not liking talking points and the mundane, robotic interviews they spawn is a far cry from advocating a public actors revolt and/or shitting on sony etc.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 24 May 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link

they are professional actors with careers

however much they liked or disliked dan harmon and however much the internet would like them to rise up, there is no upside to them shitting on sony/nbc whatsoever. come on now

Unfortunately, I'd probably take that tack anyway. But then I'm probably much more like Harmon in the workplace than I'd care to admit (although I do work my ass off to make myself pretty effing indispensable before I start openly expressing disgust towards every idiotic decision the higher-ups make).

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 24 May 2012 23:32 (eleven years ago) link

sounds like andy bobrow and a couple other s3 writers are also coming back

producer / dj / humanitarian (reddening), Friday, 25 May 2012 03:24 (eleven years ago) link

Alison Brie is about to be on Conan tonight, so we'll see whether or not she sticks to her script.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 25 May 2012 03:27 (eleven years ago) link

i'm guessing the av club is liveblogging it

She basically just talked about being naked in college again, and Joel McHale's butt. Not a mention of Harmon at all (surprised, honestly, that Conan didn't ask).

Johnny Fever, Friday, 25 May 2012 03:54 (eleven years ago) link

eh she has 2 shows to promote on a brief 2nd guest interview slot, not really the time or place for that sort of convo

some dude, Friday, 25 May 2012 03:59 (eleven years ago) link

True. And now that I think about it, Conan has always dodged controversy of any sort (not including his last few weeks at The Tonight Show or during the writers strike on Late Night).

Johnny Fever, Friday, 25 May 2012 04:01 (eleven years ago) link

I don't quite understand the controversy of all this, and the silliness that this sort of thing is 'Orwellian' in any way. How is this really any different from having a PR person help you out with the appropriate ways to make public statements? The statement is pretty damn professional and fans should comfort themselves that this leak just boosts the underdog flavor for them. Everyone wins.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 25 May 2012 04:30 (eleven years ago) link

Just seems like this kind of stuff should just seem like a necessary evil of life to anyone that has ever worked a real job in their lives.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 25 May 2012 04:33 (eleven years ago) link

I don't think it's controversial so much as just gross. And it's no less gross to me than it is anytime this kinda shit (which feels like someone learned it in business school rather than ever having any kind of meaningful interaction in any workplace ever) gets trotted out under any circumstances. That's just my own personal gut reaction, though.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 25 May 2012 04:38 (eleven years ago) link

I suppose it's a little bit different for actors who are used to doing this kind of thing, but if I was going to do any media interviews for my work I would appreciate a briefing beforehand covering likely questions and appropriate responses.

AlanSmithee, Friday, 25 May 2012 06:41 (eleven years ago) link

Dunno if y'all have seen this: the Twitter account of the new Community showrunners. Pretty sure it's fake, but it's also funny and, therefore, I'd like to believe that it's real.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 27 May 2012 17:12 (eleven years ago) link

has to be fake but i'd love the guys if it weren't

"We're blastin' Childish Gambini in the Community writers' room! #childishgambini"

lol

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 27 May 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link

there were plenty of weeks this past season that Happy Endings was funnier than Community, pretty shitty that the latter's fanboys have mind up their minds to give these guys no end of grief

--niccimanewhore (some dude), Sunday, 27 May 2012 17:52 (eleven years ago) link

Follow us for info on how YOU can be in the Community studio audience this fall!

like, hardy har har, but it's not like HE and Aliens In American weren't single camera shows too

--niccimanewhore (some dude), Sunday, 27 May 2012 17:53 (eleven years ago) link

it's a joke twitter

da croupier, Sunday, 27 May 2012 18:19 (eleven years ago) link

Were these two guys solely responsible for Happy Endings? Because for such a supposedly hilarious show there hasn't been a lot of talk about it losing its creative powerhouses.

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Sunday, 27 May 2012 18:19 (eleven years ago) link

Were these two guys solely responsible for Happy Endings?

No, they were just caretakers. I'm not sure how long their tenure at Happy Endings even lasted, but if all they did was herd the creatives toward finished episodes, then I can't imagine they'll suddenly be compelled to fuck with an established dynamic at Community.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 27 May 2012 18:27 (eleven years ago) link

there were plenty of weeks this past season that Happy Endings was funnier than Community, pretty shitty that the latter's fanboys have mind up their minds to give these guys no end of grief

I'm actually impressed that the entire Community fanbase is cooperatively contributing to a single Twitter account and somehow maintaining such a consistent tone. Orrrrrr maybe calling out all the fans is kind of a strawman argument and this single Twitter user's (assumed by some to be Jake Fogelnest) joke is actually on the people who are complaining about how these dudes are absolutely gonna ruin the show because they can't possibly understand why it works.

Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, 27 May 2012 19:21 (eleven years ago) link

I adore Happy Endings, and for sheer consistent comedy value, I'd probably rank it ahead of Community this past season. Still, it's a different show with a different tone, and it's not one I'd like to see Community adopt, but hey-ho. Happy Endings also has a different set-up in the writer's room and with the showrunners. Everybody mentally fill in "auteurist" arguments because I can't bring myself to actually put by name to them.

Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Sunday, 27 May 2012 19:56 (eleven years ago) link

this single Twitter user's (assumed by some to be Jake Fogelnest) joke is actually on the people who are complaining about how these dudes are absolutely gonna ruin the show because they can't possibly understand why it works

Seems to me that it is pretty obviously exactly that.

Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Sunday, 27 May 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link

Jokes seem more along the lines of Will Ferrell doing early Bush--"Presidenting is hard" type stuff

Hauntingly Unemployed American (President Keyes), Sunday, 27 May 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link

I am befuddled by the Happy Endings love.

Respectfully, Tyrese Gibson (Nicole), Sunday, 27 May 2012 23:56 (eleven years ago) link

It's really all about Jane and Brad. But also Alex. And Max. And Penny. And, once in a blue moon, Dave.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 28 May 2012 00:00 (eleven years ago) link

I'm actually impressed that the entire Community fanbase is cooperatively contributing to a single Twitter account and somehow maintaining such a consistent tone. Orrrrrr maybe calling out all the fans is kind of a strawman argument and this single Twitter user's (assumed by some to be Jake Fogelnest) joke is actually on the people who are complaining about how these dudes are absolutely gonna ruin the show because they can't possibly understand why it works.

― Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Sunday, May 27, 2012 3:21 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark

yeah mayyyybe that's what the guy behind the twitter is going for, i dunno if it comes across in all the jokes or if most of the thousands of people who immediately followed it get that, though

--niccimanewhore (some dude), Monday, 28 May 2012 01:24 (eleven years ago) link

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Can't stand on certain ladies! :(

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 7 June 2012 06:22 (eleven years ago) link

The Russo Bros are directing the next Capt America flick

Dreaming in Infrared (kingfish), Thursday, 7 June 2012 12:04 (eleven years ago) link

Dan Harmon ‏@danharmon

I lost my job but I won the cold war! Holy cats: RT @NORTHSEAWAYS For @danharmon with love from Russia http://pic.twitter.com/nfVQoOoG

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Dreaming in Infrared (kingfish), Friday, 8 June 2012 06:04 (eleven years ago) link

how are you holding up, dude

mookieproof, Saturday, 9 June 2012 02:23 (eleven years ago) link

I'm okay. We'll see how they drive the bus into a wall in a few months.

Meanwhile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMnfivxXfkw

Fiendish Doctor Wu! (kingfish), Friday, 22 June 2012 05:50 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

rewatching the back half of season four and i'm struck by how good the ep where annie plays in the dreamatorium is. it reveals how much deeper abed's tv/movie fixation is than just "he thinks everything is a tv show lulz." not to mention the episode hit its emotional mark with the annie/abed storyline.

i just...want to keep talking about this show.

phantompenguin, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 04:33 (eleven years ago) link

rewatching s3 i keep rediscovering more little easter egg details and jokes and references that i missed the first time around. it might not be as self-referential as Arrested but it's damn close.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 04:51 (eleven years ago) link

Dan put up the first ep of Harmontown on iTunes.

Steam Sale Jonesin' (kingfish), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 06:04 (eleven years ago) link

i read that the new showrunners have decided to attend the community panel at comic-con? that's some sadomasochism the 50 shades of grey lady could only dream of.

the bibles fake lol don't trust a book (reddening), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 13:19 (eleven years ago) link

i dunno it'd probably be asking for more trouble not to engage w/ those kinds of things.

some dude, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 13:20 (eleven years ago) link

imma check out harmontown

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 15:26 (eleven years ago) link

it was okay. don't expect much about community, though

President Keyes, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 15:39 (eleven years ago) link

noted

Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link

;_; end of an era i reckon.

just watched final of season 3. can't be anything but downhill from here. maybe S4 won't suck *too* bad? but i'm not counting on it.

full disclosure, i can't watch a single episode of post-joel mst3k all the way through, even though i can tell they're occasionally (often? i wouldn't know tbh) fairly funny.

messiahwannabe, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:20 (eleven years ago) link

https://twitter.com/guarascioport

sorry but this looks sad and DH does way better tweets

messiahwannabe, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:21 (eleven years ago) link

I am not a defender of theirs but it's not clear that that is even a real account.

I found him in a Bon Ton ad (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link

"Follow us for info on how YOU can be in the Community studio audience this fall!"

^^^^ i think this is kind of clear that its not a real account

Call Surgeon General C. Everett Koop. Poo-poo-pa-doop. (stevie), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:25 (eleven years ago) link

Well, it could be them parodying what Community fans are expecting from them, but either way it's corny.

I found him in a Bon Ton ad (Nicole), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:30 (eleven years ago) link

It's a parody account not by them.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link

So what else has Dan Harmon done? Cos it sounds like he is a capital A-artist who is having his precious vision destroyed by evil TV corporations. Has he produced some awesome pre-Community shows/movies/etc? I think he's pompous but I also think his vision is cool and was wondering if there is anything else i should look into that he's worked on.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 16:16 (eleven years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_101

President Keyes, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link

i was a huge stan for the short-lived version of Channel 101 that VH1 aired, Acceptable TV

straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:02 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1363595/

polyphonic, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link

i don't really get 'pompous' from Harmon btw, he seems pretty consistently self-deprecating and apologetic about how much work and thought he puts into his projects

straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:04 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, it's hard to be pompous when you deliberately use a shot of yourself in a bubblebath as a twitter userpic, post vids of yourself running around the office testing out the front-facing camera of your new iPhone, etc

Steam Sale Jonesin' (kingfish), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:11 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.avclub.com/articles/communitys-dan-harmon-laments-his-inability-to-pac,82340/

Oneal's write-up.

So, where does Harmon go from here, besides working on his house and hoping that someday soon, someone invents a box capable of taking into account broadcast viewers and people who make animated Alison Brie GIFs, then measuring a show's success that way? " My idea is to have less ideas, because I want to be successful in television," Harmon declares, instantly prompting a million grammarians to tell him that he means fewer ideas, which is sort of the last thing he needs to hear right now. But from the sound of it, he seems to be gravitating toward a more traditional multi-camera sitcom format, and creating a simpler show that will serve as a far better "pacifier for the masses." Dan Harmon's Sit Quietly And Watch This Married Couple Bicker Gently Before Love Fixes Everything, coming in the yet-to-be-determined fall

Steam Sale Jonesin' (kingfish), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 17:56 (eleven years ago) link

Pacify the masses. The populist, pedestrian masses who just want a hamburger. Poor Harmon must dumb himself down to be successful in television. Too cool for school.

Yes, TV is pedestrian and dumbed down! Make an effing art film or write a play if you want to be transgressive, dude!

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:08 (eleven years ago) link

I mean I guess it's nice to want to lift up the medium and all that, but if you can find a way to express yourself creatively AND have it appeal to a mass audience, then you can earn your genius card.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:09 (eleven years ago) link

DH should start hanging out with Louie CK or something. There's a guy who's popularity is increasing and seemingly hasn't given up his idiosyncratic approach to TV (via art).

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:10 (eleven years ago) link

tbf FX's expectations for Louie are far lower than Sony's expectations for Community.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:12 (eleven years ago) link

Pacify the masses. The populist, pedestrian masses who just want a hamburger. Poor Harmon must dumb himself down to be successful in television. Too cool for school.

Yes, TV is pedestrian and dumbed down! Make an effing art film or write a play if you want to be transgressive, dude!

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, July 11, 2012 2:08 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

haha yeah when i asked for evidence of pomposity that quote kinda arrived on schedule didn't it. i don't think he has a problem with TV as a medium or even popular TV, though, guy worships "Cheers."

straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:15 (eleven years ago) link

dunno what Harmon's Adult Swim show will be like or if it'll be a longterm project or just a stopgap, but these days TV talent has a long tradition of struggling at the network level until they get kicked down to a cable level where they can thrive with lower viewership expectations, basically the way major label bands that get dropped get to go be big fish in the small indie pond.

straight up now tell me will I be a fucking lump forever? (some dude), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:17 (eleven years ago) link

aw poor guy had a tv show on a major network in a prime time slot for three years and not enough people liked it even though it was totally erratic in quality and had little to no mass appeal and he's going to be able to keep working in tv making up his own shows while still getting paid off of community boo hoo

congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 18:19 (eleven years ago) link

Harmon's not pompous, he just seems to get a kick out of faking hubris... but the more I hear him talk esp onstage the more I wish he'd drink less. My theory is the drinking is a lot of where any perceived pompousness comes from.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link

the Maron WTF interview with him gives a pretty good overview of his career and what his brain is like in general.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link

I like Joel's recent WTF appearance, which was just pleasant bullshitting and answering Marc's especially ADD-addled questions

Steam Sale Jonesin' (kingfish), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link

yeah that was a pretty chill interview

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link

anyone heard anything more on this thing w/ him and charlie kaufman?

balls, Wednesday, 11 July 2012 22:00 (eleven years ago) link

There's this Kickstarter:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/anomalisa/charlie-kaufmans-anomalisa

Steam Sale Jonesin' (kingfish), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link

Community, the tv show

¥╡*ٍ*╞¥ (sic), Thursday, 12 July 2012 22:20 (eleven years ago) link

you got me dick

President Keyes, Thursday, 12 July 2012 23:29 (eleven years ago) link

With only two days & change in, the Starburns/Kaufman kickstarter is up to 63% funded

Steam Sale Jonesin' (kingfish), Friday, 13 July 2012 06:26 (eleven years ago) link

Sepinwall is liveblogging the Community panel at Comic Con which seems a bit extreme to me but w/e.

I found him in a Bon Ton ad (Nicole), Friday, 13 July 2012 17:01 (eleven years ago) link

10:00 a.m.: Lights down for a promo about the move to Friday, another remix like the Biblioteca one. The word "anus" is prominently, repeatedly featured.

Steam Sale Jonesin' (kingfish), Friday, 13 July 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Janet Varney's female-centric podcast is always a cool listen. Today's episode is Alison Brie: http://www.nerdist.com/2012/07/the-jv-club-21-alison-brie/

Also, she talked with Gillian Jacobs a while ago, and it was good: http://www.nerdist.com/2012/03/the-jv-club-3-gillian-jacobs/

Johnny Fever, Friday, 27 July 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link

saw dan harmon speak on a panel yday, he was pretty awesome, didn't really talk about community that much tho

funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Friday, 27 July 2012 23:47 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Harmon on Reddit today.

Among the more interesting tidbits:

The rumour mill says that Chevy Chase walked off set at the end of filming for Season 3 because he refused to do something. What did he refuse to do?

He refused to do the "tag" for the Digital Estate Planning episode (the 8 bit video game episode). In the scripted tag, Abed comes to Pierce with the thumb drive he took, and says "Pierce, I've been able to adjust some of the code for your Dad's video game and I've made a version I think you might like better." He puts the thumb drive into a laptop in front of Pierce. We cut to the laptop screen, where we see Pierce's avatar on a front lawn with the giant floating head of Cornelius. Every time Pierce presses the space bar, his avatar throws a baseball to his father's head, which gives him a thousand points and a "great job, son!" Pierce presses the space bar a few times, pauses, then leans over and embraces Abed and we fade to black. When Adam Countee pitched that tag, tears instantly rolled down my cheeks, and in point of fact, my eyes are getting watery describing it to you. It was the most important part of the episode and possibly one of the most important moments of the season. I was very upset to hear that it wasn't shot because someone didn't feel like shooting it, especially since it was literally the last day of shooting, which meant we'd never be able to pick it up. I regret nothing about how upset I got. My job was to care about my show.

Choogle Image Search (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 22 August 2012 23:06 (eleven years ago) link

Sounds like Chevy made the right move there.

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 23 August 2012 00:37 (eleven years ago) link

Sounds like a douchebag of a working actor

Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 August 2012 00:46 (eleven years ago) link

Sounds like Chevy Chase.

Old Lunch, Thursday, 23 August 2012 00:48 (eleven years ago) link

LOL that sounds incredibly stupid and cheesy.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 23 August 2012 13:45 (eleven years ago) link

perhaps I'm a soulless monster but if I'd actually seen that as the tag to that episode, there's a 40% chance I never would have watched the show again

if I want Futurama, I will watch Futurama

Lil Swayne of Pie (DJP), Thursday, 23 August 2012 14:03 (eleven years ago) link

On a related note, man do I want that 16-bit Greendale 7 shirt on sale today

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Thursday, 23 August 2012 15:15 (eleven years ago) link

When Adam Countee pitched that tag, tears instantly rolled down my cheeks, and in point of fact, my eyes are getting watery describing it to you.

Rhetoric like this bothers me because it's this reach for emotional earnestness that in its OTTness defies that very earnestness and paints the speaker as being at an emotional disconnect.

Clay, Thursday, 23 August 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/jvc25POST.jpg

Janet Varney completes the "Women of Community" trifecta with a Yvette Nicole Brown interview today: http://www.nerdist.com/2012/08/the-jv-club-25-yvette-nicole-brown/

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 23 August 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link

Listening to this now. You guys, I <3 Yvette so much.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 23 August 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link

does she say much about Harmon or other behind-the-scenesiness?

ʘ (sic), Thursday, 23 August 2012 23:51 (eleven years ago) link

JV Club's set up is that guests talk about youth and high school, so there's not really any Community talk at all aside from just a little here and there.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 23 August 2012 23:59 (eleven years ago) link

figured!

itt: i forgot that he yells at a butt (sic), Friday, 24 August 2012 00:17 (eleven years ago) link

aw that's great

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 August 2012 04:17 (eleven years ago) link

$10 off til midnight with HAWKTHORNE10 as the code

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Friday, 24 August 2012 04:30 (eleven years ago) link

On a related note, Megan Ganz just twittered a link to this:

http://www.reddit.com/r/community/comments/yw4se/the_missing_digital_estate_planning_tag_pierce/

The Missing Digital Estate Planning "tag" - Pierce and His Dad (self.community)
submitted 1 day ago* by Derferman

In Dan Harmon's recent AMA he revealed the scene that Chevy Chase refused to film. All of us over at /r/hawkthorne thought the scene too good to never see the light of day, so we recreated it. Enjoy :)

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Reddit is good for something, it seems

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 03:43 (eleven years ago) link

holy crap, it plays a bit-tuney version of Abed's sad "Britta-Bot" song

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 03:48 (eleven years ago) link

Reddit also developed/is developing the entire Journey to Hawkthorne game - they're up to the village, now, I think.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 03:56 (eleven years ago) link

That's a full-on Reddit thing? I just thought it was some dudes who took it on themselves.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 04:07 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.reddit.com/r/hawkthorne

Clay, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 04:11 (eleven years ago) link

smh

some dude, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 04:19 (eleven years ago) link

let it out

mookieproof, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 04:25 (eleven years ago) link

i think enough people have let it out, from the looks of things

some dude, Wednesday, 29 August 2012 04:33 (eleven years ago) link

nvm. they've built everything up to like... gay island or something, complete with an 8 bit pocket full of hawthornes theme.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 04:41 (eleven years ago) link

oh wow:

http://projecthawkthorne.com/soundtrack.html

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 04:44 (eleven years ago) link

http://projecthawkthorne.com/soundtrack-disc2.html

Tracks 2, 3, and 14.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 04:51 (eleven years ago) link

yessss 8-bit version of daybreak

reddit association aside i think this is pretty great. i have a soft spot for fan games, i spent all last sunday playing those king's quest remakes that meticulously update the outdated graphic style of 1984 to the slightly less outdated graphical style of 1992.

a swarm of sentient bees (reddening), Wednesday, 29 August 2012 05:50 (eleven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Reports are in that James Brolin will play Jeff's dad.

Instagrams of Lily on My Facebook Wall (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 22:03 (eleven years ago) link

!!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 September 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link

nice of them not to pick someone dan harmon would be excited to write for

da croupier, Tuesday, 18 September 2012 22:09 (eleven years ago) link

From that top picture I can only surmise that the new season will be lame.

phantompenguin, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 10:03 (eleven years ago) link

The mere premise of Jeff being required to do ballroom dancing or something similar with the Dean is hilarious.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 10:10 (eleven years ago) link

From that top picture I can only surmise that the new season will be lame.

In the future, the creative geniuses of The Internet will be able to discern a television season's lameness from the mere description of a promotional photograph!

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 11:14 (eleven years ago) link

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/60226_10151166862128184_1410835103_n.jpg

would ya look at that, 1511668 indeed, talk about a shark jump.

Right or wrong, It's the truth! (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 11:51 (eleven years ago) link

actually for chevy, that interview seemed downright jovial

i've hidden a white teen on Crimedoer Mountain (reddening), Tuesday, 25 September 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link

Well, I have to say that one of the things that bothers me about our show is that it is placed in that study room all the time, with the same light, the same colour

dude misses psychedelic comedy bad

da croupier, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link

no matter what this season turns out, nothing will be as cringey as the "#sixseasonsandamovie" tag that ended last season

fadanuf4erybody, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link

From this:

In 2010, former troupe-mates Donald Glover and DC Pierson returned from Los Angeles to perform at The Creek and The Cave, in New York City. Glover was tossed a question from an audience member: What's it like working with Chevy Chase? In response, he described how Chase had delivered a 40-minute lecture to Saturday Night Live cast member Bobby Moynihan laying out the case for why Glover has to be homosexual, which he is not. "That's the only way a guy like Chevy Chase has of processing a black guy who looks like me, talks like me, dresses like me," said Glover on stage that night. "That's how alien I am to him."

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 17:58 (eleven years ago) link

oh man, I want Moynihan to play Chevy on Comedy Bang Bang

Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 18:08 (eleven years ago) link

Drunk Uncle is already fairly close to Chevy.

controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 18:19 (eleven years ago) link

Not coming back in 11 days after all.

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/community-whitney-premieres-delayed-by-nbc

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 00:48 (eleven years ago) link

oh for ffs

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 01:00 (eleven years ago) link

"proper support" my ASS

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 01:00 (eleven years ago) link

nbc sure knows how to deal with rabid fanbases

zachylon (zachlyon), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 01:21 (eleven years ago) link

Tankin' it.

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 02:29 (eleven years ago) link

"well this spinning chair show seems to be doing great, let's shelve this other show that people want to see"

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 02:31 (eleven years ago) link

UPDATE: NBC has now issued a statement:

“Given the success we’ve had for the past four weeks – including winning the first week of the season in A18-49 – we’ve decided to continue to concentrate our promotional strength on our new NBC shows that are scheduled Monday through Wednesday and have therefore decided to hold COMMUNITY and WHITNEY from their previously announced premieres of October 19th. Without having to launch these comedies on Friday at this time, we can keep our promotion focused on earlier in the week -- plus we will have both comedies in our back pocket if we need to make any schedule changes on those nights. When we have a better idea of viewing patterns in the next few weeks, we will announce new season premieres of WHITNEY and COMMUNITY. “

'we are afraid if we promote anything else the monday through wednesday shows that people seem not to hate will tank'

j., Tuesday, 9 October 2012 05:30 (eleven years ago) link

I guess the Whitney reboot isn't 100% yet.

50 Shades of Greil (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 05:51 (eleven years ago) link

the show really can't go anywhere but up, so i'm actually curious to see how that shakes out. most sitcoms don't even get the chance to retool these days

Nhex, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 06:00 (eleven years ago) link

The Up All Night retooling was a lateral move at best. In fact, it's probably a step backwards, because now Maya Rudolph really doesn't have much reason to even be around.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 06:05 (eleven years ago) link

What's they do to up all night? Didn't tune in yet this year but I guess I'm curious what they was changed

Clay, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 06:27 (eleven years ago) link

no more show within the show.

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 06:33 (eleven years ago) link

The Ava show got canceled, so Regan is now the naive at-home mom and Chris has started a business with her younger brother. Missy the assistant is gone and Ava is flailing about with nothing to really do.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 06:33 (eleven years ago) link

Megan Ganz ‏@meganganz
A bunch of the COMMUNITY s4 writers are doing an AMA this week at this now hilariously random time: Friday at 8:30pm EST.

9:22 PM - 8 Oct 12 · Details

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 06:34 (eleven years ago) link

clearly nbc has a mild dislike/hate relationship with their best show. watching this from the outside, sometimes it seems like the whole upper management echelon has decided to go down with the traditional media ship, ego's intact, barking orders from their casting couches, rather than try to actually run a successful business.

"how dare mark harmon disagree with us!?!? who does he think he is? fire him and destroy the show immediately, lest he get more residuals!"

messiahwannabe, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 06:36 (eleven years ago) link

Somewhere there's apparently a quote from Orson Welles that Hollywood is not about money, it's about ego.

Fiendish Doctor Wu (kingfish), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 06:38 (eleven years ago) link

lol @ the thought of Community being a Mark Harmon creation.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 06:40 (eleven years ago) link

I never realized that was a Carl Reiner movie. I saw it about 20 times in the late 80s, but haven't watched it since. I probably had idea who Carl Reiner was at the time.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 07:06 (eleven years ago) link

ha ha, whoops, guess i'm not as rabid a community fan as i thought i was

messiahwannabe, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 07:38 (eleven years ago) link

aw, I thought that was a "disengaged nbc execs" zing

fistula-la-la (sic), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 08:05 (eleven years ago) link

ABC and CBS collectively have, like, three shows I care about at all but I have so much more respect for the way they're run and the sense that there's some kind of clear vision behind the hands steering the ship. NBC (the home of almost every network series I make a point of watching regularly), on the other hand, feels way too much like some places I've worked where a handful of sniveling and cowardly mid-level execs with no real courage in their convictions are steering the ship in eight different directions and you just have to sit back and watch in morbid curiosity as the thing implodes in slow motion. I almost feel like their best stuff slips through the cracks and happens by accident because no one's paying all that much attention. Which is probably the biggest mistake Harmon made. He should've just done whatever was possible to fly under the radar.

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 08:51 (eleven years ago) link

Without having to launch these comedies on Friday at this time, we can keep our promotion focused on earlier in the week

NBC was actually going to promote Community? By running an ad or two on their own network?

Listen to this, dad (President Keyes), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 10:44 (eleven years ago) link

Which is probably the biggest mistake Harmon made. He should've just done whatever was possible to fly under the radar.

Sony fired him, not NBC

fistula-la-la (sic), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 11:00 (eleven years ago) link

it cracks me up when people talk like NBC will rue the day they messed with Community. NBC fucks up all the time -- if they go down the tubes it won't be because of any one decision, and certainly not because they didn't try harder to treat one low-rated comedy well and keep it on the air as long as possible.

some dude, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 11:07 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, how they handled Community is nowhere near the biggest of their fuck ups.

controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 12:12 (eleven years ago) link

30 Rock was a living memorial to their neverending stream of mistakes

Nhex, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 12:53 (eleven years ago) link

i'm not really suggesting nbc will survive or collapse entirely depending on the fate of this one show. but on the other hand, seinfield didn't have great ratings to begin with, it was kind of an underground, bubbling-under-kind-of-show for a few seasons at first, and wasn't until, what, the 3rd or 4th season, that it really became a ratings blockbuster, right?

maybe if nbc actually let their critically-acclaimed, rabidly-fanbased underground hit develop naturally, with a bit of love and support from it's parent company, instead of seemingly trying to fuck it up, firing the creator, not premiering it on schedule, etc maybe they'd eventually have a hit on their hands?

don't tell me larry david got along with his corporate overlords any better than dan harmon

messiahwannabe, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 14:10 (eleven years ago) link

I think Harmon was ditched by Sony, not NBC.

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 14:12 (eleven years ago) link

seinfield didn't have great ratings to begin with, it was kind of an underground, bubbling-under-kind-of-show for a few seasons at first, and wasn't until, what, the 3rd or 4th season, that it really became a ratings blockbuster, right?

Seinfeld, Cheers, probably a number of other shows that went on to be at least moderately successful. But that's not how NBC operates anymore. Doesn't fit the "tankin' it" model.

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 14:28 (eleven years ago) link

if Seinfeld's ratings were as bad at the end of season 2 or season 3 as Community's were (and they weren't going up instead of going down like Community's), that show would've been canceled or had some of its creative team fired too. Community got a pretty fuckin' sweet deal doing 70 episodes more or less the way they and their (very small) audience wanted them done.

some dude, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 14:38 (eleven years ago) link

I know we've had this discussion before, but you really can't compare ratings today to ratings twenty+ years ago. The fact that any show with Community's ratings would've been canceled in '92 isn't really germane. It's a whole different ballgame now (which NBC and, tbf, the other networks) don't seem to fully comprehend. Almost everyone I know who's around my age watches those super low-rated Thursday night shows, so I have to assume there's something amiss in the data.

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 14:48 (eleven years ago) link

we're likely in the wrong demographic. i mean, i don't know any people who watch new episodes of Two and Half Men or The Voice either

Nhex, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 14:51 (eleven years ago) link

fwiw i was going on ranking, not audience #s. Seinfeld was ranked the 42nd most watched primetime show in its 3rd season, which was its highest rank at that point and it kept climbing from there. Community was #97 in its first season and kept dropping lower from there.

some dude, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 14:56 (eleven years ago) link

Community had a really solid 1.7 rating at 8pm. It was interesting that the normally higher-rated 30 Rock absolutely tanked in that time slot, with 1.3 iirc. 1.7/1.8 is *not* a good number, and that show wouldn't last more than a season on any other network. I don't begrudge NBC for moving away from these critically-acclaimed, rabid fanbase shows if they can't find a larger audience. I just hope that doesn't mean sacrificing quality, even though I know somewhere inside that it probably does.

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:07 (eleven years ago) link

optimistically speaking, we could get some Modern Familys out of this (a good sitcom that's also high rated), but truthfully it's way more likely we'll get more Daddios

Nhex, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:17 (eleven years ago) link

As someone who doesn't like Modern Family, I hope not.

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:20 (eleven years ago) link

Cosign. Not that I think it's bad, but if ever there was an overpraised show...

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:22 (eleven years ago) link

fair enough, but can you give me an example of a currently high-rated sitcom that is good? and god help you if you say Big Bang Theory lol

i guess i could sneak HIMYM in that category, but i'm not sure it's that good or high-rated at this point

Nhex, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link

I didn't "get" Modern Family until the episode when Phil got that super-unfortunate ad silkscreened onto their minivan

Technology of the Big Muff (DJP), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link

I don't dislike Modern Family, I just never find myself wanting to watch it.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:27 (eleven years ago) link

Modern Family isn't the best sitcom, but its decent enough, and Ty Burrell is a brilliant physical comedian. He's up there with Chris Pratt.

HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:28 (eleven years ago) link

Wasn't last season HIMYM's highest season, ratings-wise? I'd say it counts. And yeah, it's spinning its wheels a bit, but it's still surprisingly enjoyable for a sitcom in its seventh season. That said, I don't think it should be used as a model for other shows, as its success (imo) lies in the writing and the ensemble and the formal experimentation. In other hands, it'd probably be just another shitty multicamera sitcom.

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:30 (eleven years ago) link

HIMYM is pretty bad at this point, and has been for a while. Modern Family has its moments, and Ty Burrell is very good, but it hasn't been as funny as it was in its first season and even then it relied on way too many stock sitcom tropes. It probably is the best of the high-rated sitcoms, though, and that's the problem.

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link

lol I have never liked HIMYM

Technology of the Big Muff (DJP), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link

Aside from Happy Endings, ABC's sitcom slate just isn't for me, but they're well-made and feature a lot of talented people. I see the appeal and don't begrudge their success at all. Like, it's perfectly pleasant to be in the room with other people who are watching them while I'm doing other stuff. Except that awful The Neighbors show, which needs to die a quick death.

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:36 (eleven years ago) link

Modern Family won me over with that Spandau Ballet ep

kinder, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link

I only saw the pilot to The Neighbors, which was amusing if totally wafer thin

mostly I just want Jamie Gertz to have a successful show

Technology of the Big Muff (DJP), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link

I am thoroughly unsurprised when anyone who hasn't consistently watched from the start says they don't like HIMYM. Yet another reason why I don't think it should be a model for other shows. Gags that take several seasons to pay off are probably too insular to lure new viewers.

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link

I said a long time ago that I'd watch HIMYM from the beginning once it was over. I honestly didn't expect it to last this long, so now I'm screwed.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:42 (eleven years ago) link

Jami Gertz had a somewhat successful show! It was one of the worst sitcoms ever!

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:42 (eleven years ago) link

I watched maybe the first 3 episodes of HIMYM and was basically annoyed that they were wasting Allyson Hannigan and Neil Patrick Harris on some unfunny horsehit that was going to go off the air in 6 weeks; then I blinked and SEVEN YEARS went by and ppl were talking about how it was the funniest thing ever

xp: Square Pegs was awesome

Technology of the Big Muff (DJP), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:44 (eleven years ago) link

Oh yeah, Jami Gertz was Mark Addy's wife on that one show.

50 Shades of Greil (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link

Still Standing, DJP.

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:46 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, that one. #enougheps4syndication

50 Shades of Greil (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:48 (eleven years ago) link

how i met your mother is a better show than community

congratulations (n/a), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:51 (eleven years ago) link

oh lol I had no idea, I avoided "Still Standing" like the plague

Technology of the Big Muff (DJP), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:51 (eleven years ago) link

I wouldn't say HIMYM is the funniest ever, but it hits a sweet spot between straight-up multicamera laffery and something like Community that rewards long-time viewers. Plus, it still has the ability to pleasantly surprise (the arc with Marshall's dad's death was legitimately affecting).

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:51 (eleven years ago) link

i'm not trying to defend HIMYM or Modern Family too much in this thread, though I do enjoy both of them. I'm asking a serious question though - is there a currently existing viable sitcom model for NBC to actually follow without following the lead of Chuck Lorre? granted - i'm just as guilty as you guys - all my favorite sitcoms are the ones America doesn't give a crap about

i do gotta give ABC credit for trying to do some interesting stuff like Happy Endings or even The Middle or Suburgatory, but I'm skeptical those will ever blossom into network leading hits, as they are too "weird"

Nhex, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:52 (eleven years ago) link

xxpost

As you should have.

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:52 (eleven years ago) link

Happy Endings is wonderfully weird and insane, no quotes

Nhex, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:52 (eleven years ago) link

I did a few seasons of HIMYM but I guess I kind of got tired of it? Mostly Radnoor's emo sadsackery, lol. I'd like to revisit one day, maybe *shrug*

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:53 (eleven years ago) link

is there a currently existing viable sitcom model for NBC to actually follow without following the lead of Chuck Lorre?

The Seth MacFarlane model? These would be two strong arguments against models.

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:54 (eleven years ago) link

I don't really see a point in picking between the NBC critical darlings and the ABC critical darlings; they're all really, really funny shows. CBS is really the place where terrible sitcoms live, and even there I get and enjoy most of the humor fueling BBT.

Technology of the Big Muff (DJP), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:56 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, Radnor (or his character, tbf) is kinda HIMYM's universally-acknowledged weak link. He does get less intolerable as the show progresses, fwiw.

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 15:57 (eleven years ago) link

tbh i'm ok with the Seth McFarlane model, but as it barely works as is, i wouldn't recommend it to NBC

HIMYM was way better when they acknowledged Ted being a douche, and whenever he had less focus on the show

CBS is #1 by a landslide in sitcom ratings right? but HIMYM is a definite exception to their lineup which mostly mediocre/crap stuff like Terms of Engagement. Poor David Krumholtz.

Nhex, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 16:29 (eleven years ago) link

2 Broke Girls + BBT + (to a lesser extent now) 2.5 Men are the heavy hitters. HIMYM and Mike and Molly do very well. Partners only got a 2.2 last night, which is bad news for it. On NBC that would be a smashing success.

Legendary General Cypher Raige (Gukbe), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link

2 Broke Girls is the worst thing in the world

Technology of the Big Muff (DJP), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 16:32 (eleven years ago) link

you're kidding me - 2 Broke Girls is a smash hit? I honestly had no idea

Nhex, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 16:47 (eleven years ago) link

Depressing but unsurprising. It's so LCD. It's of a piece with that string of awful sitcoms NBC parked between Friends and Seinfeld in the '90s.

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link

Or after Seinfeld, even. Must See TV wasn't so Must See even back then.

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link

NBC Thursday night lineup history

Union Square is the show that immediately came to mind. Couldn't remember the name off the top of my head.

Old Lunch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 16:59 (eleven years ago) link

oh god UNION SQUARE

Technology of the Big Muff (DJP), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 17:00 (eleven years ago) link

2 Broke Girls isn't just bad, it's actually offensively bad. And not just to good taste, like the overt racism is just 0_0

Nhex, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link

What if they brought back the NBC Thursday Night Movie?

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 17:23 (eleven years ago) link

I liked Good Morning, Miami btw.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link

Cosby Show, Family Ties, Cheers. Done and done

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 17:33 (eleven years ago) link

And not just to good taste, like the overt racism is just 0_0

They make a lot of rape jokes too, it's so edgy.

controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 18:29 (eleven years ago) link

I've watched a total of five minutes of 2 Broke Girls and that was enough to ensure I will never of my own free will watch it again; nothing should EVER make you pine for Nick and Norah's Infinite Playlist

Technology of the Big Muff (DJP), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link

hahah DJP otfm

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link

I wonder how pissed the suits are at NBC that CBS got 2BG and they got stuck with Whitney.

50 Shades of Greil (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link

strange no one's mentioned fox's live action shows, all of which (afaict, i've only seen commercials) are single-camera non-laugh track shows. if mindy project and ben and kate can catch on, at least. ABC's only multi-cam show is last man standing.

that is the model for NBC, maybe. it seems like they want to ignore the other two networks that have successful (if less funny/'intelligent'/'creative') single-cam shows and shoot for CBS numbers.

zachylon (zachlyon), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 03:36 (eleven years ago) link

what the fuck is rules of engagement and how is it on its sixth season btw

zachylon (zachlyon), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 03:37 (eleven years ago) link

SEVENTH! i mentioned this on an SNL thread recently but David Spade has had one sitcom or another on network primetime for 16 seasons straight now o_O

some dude, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 03:42 (eleven years ago) link

oh lol i remember seeing a promo for a new david spade show but i thought that was maybe last year at the earliest

zachylon (zachlyon), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 03:44 (eleven years ago) link

So far this season New Girl is the best sitcom.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 03:46 (eleven years ago) link

yeah rules of engagement has been sticking around for several years by being an option cbs has plugged in whenever there's a hole in their schedule. it's been on for seven seasons but i believe last season was the first season where they actually started it in the fall and gave it it's own scheduled time. granted it was on saturday nights in some admirable attempt at bringing original programming back to saturdays but i think they scrapped that plan and moved it somewhere else as soon as there was a hole in their programming. did spade jump to 8 ways to fuck my daughter immediately after whenever just shoot me died? crazy to think he's managed that. plus if he jumped right from snl to just shoot me (which i think he did) then he's had a steady network tv gig for around twenty years. david fucking spade.

balls, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 03:57 (eleven years ago) link

rules of just shooting my teenage daughter

zachylon (zachlyon), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 03:59 (eleven years ago) link

the david spade story

zachylon (zachlyon), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 03:59 (eleven years ago) link

So glad we have the internet, sounds like network TV really sucks.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 04:00 (eleven years ago) link

i did appreciate how new girl had hipsters on but didn't feel the need to do 'ugh hipsters' pat storyline and instead just treated them as young ppl, i don't think i could've handled the cognitive dissonance of zooey deschanel show mocking tumblr whites. really enjoying mindy project.

balls, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 04:00 (eleven years ago) link

engagement is basically half to a third a good sitcom with Krumholtz and half to two thirds some really irritating b-plots with annoying people i don't care about.

s.clover, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 04:05 (eleven years ago) link

wait not krumholtz i meant warburton. warburton delivers.

s.clover, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 04:07 (eleven years ago) link

oh, and mindy project is good? saw the pilot and decided it would be awful. guess it picked up?

s.clover, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 04:07 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, it's nothing i'd go testifying for but it's watchable, if you have any mindy kaling tolerance you'll be ok w/ it i'd imagine.

balls, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 04:12 (eleven years ago) link

i'm still enjoying raising hope, though it feels like it's running out of gas a bit

Nhex, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 05:17 (eleven years ago) link

Haaaa. That kinda gives me hope. I'm looking forward to the 2015 season 4 premiere on nbc.com.

Burgled Hams (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 October 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link

Sometimes I think Virtual Systems Analysis was kind of great.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 19 October 2012 18:56 (eleven years ago) link

Between this clip and 30 Rock it seems like everyone is getting their digs in regarding Animal Hospital.

one bad call from barely losing (Nicole), Friday, 19 October 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link

Joel's been making digs at the delayed premiere on The Soup as well. He had Fred Willard on and after he left said "see Fred Willard on Community which will be premiering..." (looks at his phone) "someday!"

or something like that.

dan selzer, Friday, 19 October 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link

lol your beloved alien show continues to dodge the bullet

some dude, Friday, 19 October 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link

I haven't seen this week's episode yet, which apparently is one of the worst things ever put on television

poor Jami

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Friday, 19 October 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link

I haven't watched it, but it can't be worse than Two and a Half Men.

one bad call from barely losing (Nicole), Friday, 19 October 2012 19:22 (eleven years ago) link

I've actually laughed at Two and A Half Men before; I couldn't even make it through 5 minutes of Mike and Molly

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Friday, 19 October 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link

ha I saw my first five minutes of 2 1/2 Men last week waiting for the Veep debate and it was so much more repellent than I had even imagined. It didn't help that it was Cryer and Kucher having a 3 way with Cryer's wife or something.

Binders Full of Mittens (President Keyes), Friday, 19 October 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link

I haven't seen the Kutcher iteration of the show, seems kind of pointless

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Friday, 19 October 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link

Anger Management and Kutcher-era Two And A Half Men are basically the Beady Eye and Noel Gallagher's High Flying Birds of stupid sitcoms

― some dude, Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:05 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

some dude, Friday, 19 October 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link

https://twitter.com/joelmchale/status/259779529474711552

gives me hope for the new season.

Perfect Chicken Forever (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 20 October 2012 22:23 (eleven years ago) link

so much more repellent than I had even imagined.

My boss loves this show. And hates unions. I assume union-hating middle managers are the show's intended audience.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 20 October 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link

Stay classy Chevy.

Sug ban (Nicole), Sunday, 21 October 2012 00:57 (eleven years ago) link

Maybe he had an episode and thought he was back on SNL doing a sketch with Richard Pryor.

false pie promises (Old Lunch), Sunday, 21 October 2012 01:03 (eleven years ago) link

That's kinda the only thing that makes any sense, given the facts as presented.

false pie promises (Old Lunch), Sunday, 21 October 2012 01:04 (eleven years ago) link

who adds that Chase has grown increasingly unhappy with the dark direction of his character, the bigoted Pierce Hawthorne.

wait, he's grown increasingly unhappy with his character's bigotry?

I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Sunday, 21 October 2012 01:05 (eleven years ago) link

i don't really hate CC like a lot of folks do (although that story isn't helping) and think his character has been plenty funny/worthwhile throughout the show, but i really don't know why they haven't just written him out of the show unless his contract makes it legally difficult. he's prob the most expensive member of the cast member, his name recognition means nothing for the show's (lack of) ratings, and it would fit fine into the show's arc for the old contentious guy to die or just finally leave the group for good.

my mansplain songz (some dude), Sunday, 21 October 2012 01:06 (eleven years ago) link

Pretty much my thoughts. I would've preferred that he was let go before Harmon was fired, assuming their feud had anything at all to do with Sony's decision.

false pie promises (Old Lunch), Sunday, 21 October 2012 01:14 (eleven years ago) link

so I guess Harmon wasn't Chevrolet's only problem

Binders Full of Mittens (President Keyes), Sunday, 21 October 2012 01:30 (eleven years ago) link

Nah, he's been a cantankerous turd for about 40 years.

false pie promises (Old Lunch), Sunday, 21 October 2012 01:35 (eleven years ago) link

a cantankerous turd with a coke addiction

Binders Full of Mittens (President Keyes), Sunday, 21 October 2012 01:43 (eleven years ago) link

Got the 3rd season dvds. Enjoying the commentaries so far.

the max in the high castle (kingfish), Sunday, 21 October 2012 02:04 (eleven years ago) link

i really don't know why they haven't just written him out of the show unless his contract makes it legally difficult

Might be summat to do with overseas sales. Both the UK channels it's been aired on have trailed it as "Comedy legend Chevy Chase goes back to college!" He's pretty much the only cast member who's known outside the USA, possibly excepting Ken Jeong (or, according to the UK adverts, "that guy off The Hangover).

William Bloody Swygart, Sunday, 21 October 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link

Got the 3rd season dvds. Enjoying the commentaries so far.

Is Harmon on any of these?

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 21 October 2012 23:31 (eleven years ago) link

Chevy is pretty much the only cast member who's known inside the USA, tbf

my mansplain songz (some dude), Monday, 22 October 2012 01:41 (eleven years ago) link

Is Harmon on any of these?

couple at least. have only watched one disc so far

Weird thing is that I found out that Ganz went to my alma mater, and wrote for the campus humor mag that a buncha guys I knew started before she headed off to the Onion

the max in the high castle (kingfish), Monday, 22 October 2012 02:38 (eleven years ago) link

Thanks, good to know re: Harmon. I didn't know if he'd been shitcanned before or after the commentaries were to be recorded.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 22 October 2012 05:13 (eleven years ago) link

The whole 'he is the only famous one' is bullshit. Almost no-one from American sitcoms are known beforehand and only very recently has it seemed to have changed from 'this is funny so we imported it' to 'you slightly remember this guy from roseanne? well yr parents might! she was in a shitty movie about indie music with someone from superbad; superbad was funny right?! whiney wants to drown her and she sings in elf! watch this!'

a hoy hoy, Monday, 22 October 2012 09:23 (eleven years ago) link

xpost

Harmon was fired as showrunner but he still works for the show as some sort of producer with a title and a paycheck but no real creative control. I'd like to think that he'll show up on the season 4 commentaries and that they'll be a thing of beauty.

false pie promises (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 October 2012 12:24 (eleven years ago) link

i don't think that's true? thought he was going to be offered that sort of position but jumped ship completely

I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Monday, 22 October 2012 12:39 (eleven years ago) link

I think the deal was that he had the option of being some sort of active-yet-neutered participant in the show but opted to just sit back and play videogames because he was gonna get paid either way. I think he's still a producer.

false pie promises (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 October 2012 12:43 (eleven years ago) link

it's free money and he doesn't have to (and won't be asked to) do anything. Afaik he took the title and ran

Clay, Monday, 22 October 2012 12:44 (eleven years ago) link

And I don't blame him for deciding against being actively involved. He would've been relegated to a position akin to being a sex consultant to your ex's new boyfriend.

false pie promises (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 October 2012 12:46 (eleven years ago) link

gross

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Monday, 22 October 2012 13:39 (eleven years ago) link

Um: [Removed Illegal Link]

Um.

false pie promises (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 October 2012 14:28 (eleven years ago) link

Workin on a ex farm

the max in the high castle (kingfish), Monday, 22 October 2012 14:29 (eleven years ago) link

Oh fertheluvvachrist. ILX won't let me post a proper link why because brackets in the url. But:

http://gawker.com/5953728/if-alison-brie-and-gillian-jacobs-pin-up-special-doesnt-get-community-back-on-the-air-nothing-will-[nsfw]

false pie promises (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 October 2012 14:30 (eleven years ago) link

brackets aren't universally-supported characters in URLs

The Owls of Ja Rule (DJP), Monday, 22 October 2012 14:37 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, you'd think Gawker would be aware of that.

false pie promises (Old Lunch), Monday, 22 October 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link

"I think he's still a producer." = "His name is still in the credits."

da croupier, Monday, 22 October 2012 15:48 (eleven years ago) link

chevy and jeong were definitely drags on season 3, since they're the biggest names they had to be shoehorned into stuff despite being entirely irrelevant after s2

da croupier, Monday, 22 October 2012 15:54 (eleven years ago) link

I guess that's the hard part of doing a live-action community building - it's not like simpsons writers have to find something for every harry shearer character to do in every episode. deadwood season 3 had a similar overpopulation problem.

da croupier, Monday, 22 October 2012 15:57 (eleven years ago) link

`yeah cy tolliver had clearly outlived his usage and while the brian cox arc clearly was gonna serve a purpose in season 4 as it is it's just so much agonizing filler (have no problems w/ any aspect of the hearst arc though i know some ppl hate how it resolved). sopranos sorta had this problem also, giving plotlines to tertiary characters and ruining their charm in the process (vito is the nadir of this but part of me is lukewarm w/ bobby bacala's fleshing out as well). mad men has managed to avoid this - weiner is pretty ruthless about jettisoning characters if they've outlived their use or the story demands it (though january jones is still out there, eating bugles). the wire as far as i can tell also managed to avoid this problem while doing the biggest community building of any live action show i can recall.

balls, Monday, 22 October 2012 19:39 (eleven years ago) link

I think the deal was that he had the option of being some sort of active-yet-neutered participant in the show

Neither NBC nor Sony have yet contacted him to tell him that he's not actually showrunner anymore, so that speaks to the level of "options" he has

set the controls for the arse of your mum (sic), Monday, 22 October 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link

Never mind

Gukbe, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link

Pierce was great in S3, it was S2 where they couldn't work out what to do with him.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 16:49 (eleven years ago) link

mid-season schedule just released by nbc says community will air thursdays at 8, starting feb. 7

i've hidden a white teen on Crimedoer Mountain (reddening), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link

resigned lols at the fact that community can't escape the grim spectre of thursdays at 8

i've hidden a white teen on Crimedoer Mountain (reddening), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 18:56 (eleven years ago) link

Community has always done best in that slot. (Best is a relative term, of course.)

Bout to go Jethro TULL on that ass (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link

Their ratings on Thursdays were better than 30 Rock's current ratings, iirc.

5-Hour Enmity (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 30 October 2012 19:13 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

So he won't be in the final two episodes?

Binders Full of Mittens (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 November 2012 23:26 (eleven years ago) link

He'll be in the final episode, but not a few of the lead-ups.

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Wednesday, 21 November 2012 23:27 (eleven years ago) link

Surprised it took this long.

the max in the high castle (kingfish), Thursday, 22 November 2012 00:08 (eleven years ago) link

rip bigot man

some dude, Thursday, 22 November 2012 00:13 (eleven years ago) link

lol this happens and harmon isn't even the showrunner for it

I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Thursday, 22 November 2012 00:26 (eleven years ago) link

I'd say "good luck back in the career toilet, Chevy" but I'm not entirely sure that NBC hasn't relegated Community to the selfsame toilet at this point.

Come Into My Layer (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 November 2012 00:33 (eleven years ago) link

i think chevy can just calmly wait for death and probably be p happy about it

I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Thursday, 22 November 2012 00:35 (eleven years ago) link

CHEVY + HAPPY...DOES NOT COMPUTE...BLEEP BLORP BLOOP

Chevy has seemed like the most uniformly miserable fucker in show business for 30+ years.

Come Into My Layer (Old Lunch), Thursday, 22 November 2012 00:41 (eleven years ago) link

seems p pleased with himself at least

I have done bad. I love my pj's. (zachlyon), Thursday, 22 November 2012 00:42 (eleven years ago) link

RIP Chevrolet Chase

This Is Not An ILX Username (LaMonte), Thursday, 22 November 2012 00:56 (eleven years ago) link

Now we can look forward to his upcoming work on oh fuck who even gives a shit.

and I scream Fieri Eiffel Tower High (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 22 November 2012 03:50 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

A friend on fb who works at Paramount just posted this, so it looks like the episodes in the can now are all we're gonna see.

Sad times at Greendale Community College--the "Community" actor's trailers are all gone, and their sets are bundled up and wrapped in plastic. They even took apart the faux-concrete walls around the Library exterior, which they have never done at the end of past seasons.

nickn, Thursday, 13 December 2012 05:00 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, demolition of sets is usually a signifier of the end.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 13 December 2012 05:02 (eleven years ago) link

Although, this is the fourth season, and if they all graduate and plan to move beyond the Greendale setting like Harmon intended, this would make sense.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 13 December 2012 05:03 (eleven years ago) link

That's definitely not a good sign. But, I guess Whiney'll be happy.

HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 13 December 2012 05:04 (eleven years ago) link

it's so weird and passive aggressive that they renewed it at all. hopefully these episodes are good, though.

xpost lol c'mon they were never really going to move the show outside the campus

some dude, Thursday, 13 December 2012 05:04 (eleven years ago) link

some dude otm, especially with Harmon out of the picture. they sure as hell weren't going to follow his "grand plan", if it even existed in the first place.

HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 13 December 2012 05:06 (eleven years ago) link

this show was/is great. it never deserved to get treated quite as badly as it did, by the network, the production company, its egotist creator and its cunty old barnacle of a "name star".

That symptom is fucking my wife (stevie), Thursday, 13 December 2012 08:16 (eleven years ago) link

OTM.

I think four seasons is enough though, artificially extending its run past a college course's natural lifespan would feel so forced.

Matt DC, Thursday, 13 December 2012 10:18 (eleven years ago) link

if cougar town's second life goes well on TBS or wherever they are, I wonder if community stands a chance at following suit (or if it could potentially platform hop to somewhere like hulu or netflix). then again I kinda wonder if most of the cast isn't ready to move on to movies or furthering their rap careers.

a robotic squirrel named RoboSquirrel (reddening), Thursday, 13 December 2012 10:22 (eleven years ago) link

sony seems to hate community more than nbc does, i imagine that's a bigger problem than having a station to air the show

THE NATIONS YOUTH DANCED TO THE MACARANA (innocent) (zachlyon), Thursday, 13 December 2012 10:25 (eleven years ago) link

Kinda wondering why such a big deal was made of Chevrolet leaving if there were only going to be two episodes after he was gone.

President Keyes, Thursday, 13 December 2012 11:06 (eleven years ago) link

prob b/c it's simultaneously insanely unprofessional and reaffirming of every bad thought everyone ever had of chevy

Clay, Thursday, 13 December 2012 13:12 (eleven years ago) link

It's clear from the Old Navy ads that Chevy made a thoughtful, considered, and highly principled choice.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 13 December 2012 14:43 (eleven years ago) link

four weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7ACRFd9aJ4

I no longer fear Season 4.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 11 January 2013 18:26 (eleven years ago) link

if that's indicative of the shift we're def headed into the family guy zone, which ain't all bad as long as they're faithful to the characters.

da croupier, Friday, 11 January 2013 18:29 (eleven years ago) link

it was odd that on a recent Harmontown, DH called Chevy from the stage and Chase called him back later. Sounds like they still get along.

President Keyes, Friday, 11 January 2013 19:34 (eleven years ago) link

Harmon's always said they get along fine because they're so similar: they're both giant babies

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Saturday, 12 January 2013 02:26 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Did I say I no longer fear Season 4? Apparently, there's good reason to fear.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 7 February 2013 01:33 (eleven years ago) link

Season Faux, two days away

President Keyes, Thursday, 7 February 2013 01:45 (eleven years ago) link

one day actually, though I won't watch it until Friday

President Keyes, Thursday, 7 February 2013 01:45 (eleven years ago) link

though I guess the hundred or so episodes of Harmontown in the past month make up for it

President Keyes, Thursday, 7 February 2013 01:48 (eleven years ago) link

xp Yeah - Harmontown is great, Harmon being a character in his own right. He manages to be very magnetic and sorta... repulsive? overbearing? relentless? simultaneously.

Liked him detailing how he's essentially derailed at least one of the three shows he's incubating right now.

"Rob is startled, this is straight up gangster" (R Baez), Thursday, 7 February 2013 01:55 (eleven years ago) link

not that i have any hope for the new season but that NYT article is annoying me. complaining about britta not remembering the history of inspector spacetime? goes beyond giving a bad review and sounds like catering to the rabid avclub fans. (and then he gets the info about pierce leaving wrong and implying that there might be hope for a season 5, which, o_0). and isn't happy endings a really well-liked show?

Alice 2 Chainz - "I Luv Dem Bones" (zachlyon), Thursday, 7 February 2013 02:16 (eleven years ago) link

but if it's truly dumbed down, i don't really get the point. if NBC was going to strike the set months before the first episode even aired why didn't they just keep harmon on board and let him do what he wants. they're in might-as-well-burn-the-season-off mode now.

Alice 2 Chainz - "I Luv Dem Bones" (zachlyon), Thursday, 7 February 2013 02:18 (eleven years ago) link

Seeing Harmontown live last week was certainly something.

The New Jack Mormons! (kingfish), Thursday, 7 February 2013 02:19 (eleven years ago) link

NBC didn't fire Harmon, Sony did

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Thursday, 7 February 2013 02:20 (eleven years ago) link

YUP. i think i made that correction itt like half a year ago, whoops

Alice 2 Chainz - "I Luv Dem Bones" (zachlyon), Thursday, 7 February 2013 02:24 (eleven years ago) link

but if it's truly dumbed down, i don't really get the point. if NBC was going to strike the set months before the first episode even aired why didn't they just keep harmon on board and let him do what he wants. they're in might-as-well-burn-the-season-off mode now.

― Alice 2 Chainz - "I Luv Dem Bones" (zachlyon), Wednesday, February 6, 2013 9:18 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think there was some hope on Sony's part that they could still get a hit out of this, and that to make it a hit, they'd need to keep Chevy, who they likely figured wouldn't stick around for another Harmon season.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Thursday, 7 February 2013 04:09 (eleven years ago) link

I got seasons 2 and 3 for Christmas and rewatched them. S2 really was all that great: I even really enjoy the more straightforward episodes that I didn't like as much the first time around, such as "Accounting for Lawyers". In fact, those can sometimes stand out as the funniest. (See also: "Urban Matrimony and the Sandwich Arts" from s3). A lot of s3 is great but "Contemporary Impressionists" and just about everything after Chang takes over the school have not gotten better. I actually skipped "Virtual Systems Analysis" this time around.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 7 February 2013 04:31 (eleven years ago) link

I think it was mainly to get enough Chevy-episodes for syndication. If they failed at that (they have close eighty episodes, right? is that enough?), then this will probably be seen as one of the dumbest moves by a studio ever.

Frederik B, Thursday, 7 February 2013 04:33 (eleven years ago) link

I think there was some hope on Sony's part that they could still get a hit out of this, and that to make it a hit, they'd need to keep Chevy, who they likely figured wouldn't stick around for another Harmon season.

― Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Wednesday, February 6, 2013 11:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah. it sucks that it all seems so pointless now. i've never been a giant fan but the commercials so far and that review have me thinking i shouldn't even try.

Alice 2 Chainz - "I Luv Dem Bones" (zachlyon), Thursday, 7 February 2013 05:10 (eleven years ago) link

eh, i've stuck it out this long, might as well watch it end

Nhex, Thursday, 7 February 2013 05:17 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/new-community-producers-moses-port-and-david-guarascio-preview-season-4

longish interview w/ the new showrunners. they mostly say the right things but they also kind of come across as the pod people of showrunners.

Clay, Thursday, 7 February 2013 05:36 (eleven years ago) link

I get why the whole 'Britta forgetting Inspector Spacetime' seems like a trivial complaint on the surface, but this is a show that's gotten a lot of mileage out of callbacks to small details, and if the new showrunners are that inattentive to detail, it certainly doesn't bode well for the tone of the show.

Fuckleberry Hen (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2013 13:25 (eleven years ago) link

OTM. Plus, for all that "Inspector Spacetime" sucked, it was a big part of s3. It is pretty weak, then, for the new creators/writers to overlook that Britta introduced Abed to it in the first place.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 7 February 2013 13:58 (eleven years ago) link

can't wait for the thinkpieces

berner herzog (fadanuf4erybody), Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:13 (eleven years ago) link

I can imagine Britta forgetting what DST is.
But I don't see what the problem with that NYT piece is. The writer was pretty accurate in describing Happy Endings (obviously also referring to stuff like New Girl and HIMYM) Those shows are also more popular than Community.

President Keyes, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:18 (eleven years ago) link

But the changes in “Community” feel like a total surrender. What the new episodes often resemble is the type of post-“Friends” sitcom that is defined by a jokey solipsism, in which the humor comes not from anything we’d recognize as real life but from the barely distinguishable characters’ constant battle to one-up one another. As it happens, Mr. Guarascio and Mr. Port worked together on one of those shows, “Happy Endings.”

this is super hilarious to me because the escalating gonzo banter on "Happy Endings" closely mirrors the way I interact with my friends

also, if you can't tell the characters on "Happy Endings" or "New Girl" apart, you have issues

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:30 (eleven years ago) link

xp those shows are also critic-approved in a way friends never was. well not HIMYM but i don't think HIMYM really fits in with new girl/happy endings/ben and kate/whatever that show with maya rudolph was

Alice 2 Chainz - "I Luv Dem Bones" (zachlyon), Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:31 (eleven years ago) link

Xpost where did anyone say that?

President Keyes, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:33 (eleven years ago) link

I can definitely tell the characters from New Girl apart from the characters on Happy Endings

President Keyes, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:34 (eleven years ago) link

also not sure how “Wow, there are 50 years of these, huh?” = not knowing anything about it, maybe there's more to it but that's a weird quote to single out for your review cause that's not at all unrealistic given the situation

Alice 2 Chainz - "I Luv Dem Bones" (zachlyon), Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:35 (eleven years ago) link

wait, so previously I was supposed to view 'Community' as something I'd recognise in real life?

pandemic, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:35 (eleven years ago) link

i don't know what anyone's point is anymore

OH THIS THREAD, MISSED YOU SO MUCH

Alice 2 Chainz - "I Luv Dem Bones" (zachlyon), Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:37 (eleven years ago) link

Sepinwall not convinced by new episodes either.

Gukbe, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:38 (eleven years ago) link

Cue fan backlash against chubby tv critics

President Keyes, Thursday, 7 February 2013 14:39 (eleven years ago) link

Imo Sepinwall can be really dumb when it comes to comedy, so I'll watch the new episode with an open mind.

Ulna (Nicole), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:17 (eleven years ago) link

Xpost where did anyone say that?

But the changes in “Community” feel like a total surrender. What the new episodes often resemble is the type of post-“Friends” sitcom that is defined by a jokey solipsism, in which the humor comes not from anything we’d recognize as real life but from the barely distinguishable characters’ constant battle to one-up one another. As it happens, Mr. Guarascio and Mr. Port worked together on one of those shows, “Happy Endings.”

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link

It's directly in the text you quoted, which you then went on to say also applied to New Girl.

My argument is that if you can't get past the common friend language of the characters in these shows to see how they are different and distinct from each other, you have problems.

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:35 (eleven years ago) link

But you said i couldnt tell the difference between characters on new girl and happy endings

President Keyes, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:40 (eleven years ago) link

No, I didn't. "And" is not the same word as "or".

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:40 (eleven years ago) link

And neither means the same thing as "from"

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link

Welcome back communtiy

Gukbe, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:44 (eleven years ago) link

There's always so much hostility in this thread! You'd think we were talking about tipping or something.

Ulna (Nicole), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link

also not sure how “Wow, there are 50 years of these, huh?” = not knowing anything about it, maybe there's more to it but that's a weird quote to single out for your review cause that's not at all unrealistic given the situation

Yeah, tbf, that quote could make perfect sense. I haven't seen the episode yet and wasn't thinking that critically about the actual quote tbh.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:58 (eleven years ago) link

Xpost i was joking about how i misread your post, but i never expected my reward would be a pissy grammar lesson

President Keyes, Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:03 (eleven years ago) link

my entire existence on this board is defined by dick jokes and pissy grammar lessons

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:17 (eleven years ago) link

Well Britta directly chose Inspector Spacetime because of it's overwhelming amount of episodes, following the bleak ending of Cougarton Abbey after only six episodes. So that there was 50 years of them should probably be the only thing she knew.

Frederik B, Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:45 (eleven years ago) link

It depends on the context. It could make sense in e.g. the context of "Wow, this is stupid. They made 50 years' worth of these, huh?"

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:58 (eleven years ago) link

I can see this episode is going to require line-by-line close reading. Maybe we should tweet Gillian Jacobs and get her perspective.

President Keyes, Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:01 (eleven years ago) link

U&K

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 7 February 2013 18:44 (eleven years ago) link

not terrible so far i give it an 8.1025 let's see if minutes 9 through 22 can keep it above panic level pink

Alice 2 Chainz - "I Luv Dem Bones" (zachlyon), Friday, 8 February 2013 01:09 (eleven years ago) link

Is it better than "Loveless"?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 February 2013 01:11 (eleven years ago) link

I think that even if I hadn't read 2 or 3 articles that had told me I wouldn't enjoy it I still wouldn't have enjoyed it. Of course, there have been past episodes I didn't like very much for similar reasons. I'm not giving up just yet.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 8 February 2013 03:10 (eleven years ago) link

I thought it was fine. I get the feeling people/critics are wanting this to fail (and in a way, it already has, given the sets being struck and all).

Big Sambola & The Tailspinners (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 8 February 2013 04:00 (eleven years ago) link

How does it stack up compared to previous season openers, bearing in mind that they previously haven't been very good either?

Matt DC, Friday, 8 February 2013 08:46 (eleven years ago) link

i thought it was imperfect but still plenty funny.

says a future man to his crystal son (reddening), Friday, 8 February 2013 08:53 (eleven years ago) link

"our student records are stored in a microsoft paint file."

says a future man to his crystal son (reddening), Friday, 8 February 2013 08:53 (eleven years ago) link

I get the feeling people/critics are wanting this to fail

Fwiw I'm more invested in a Community that continues to be funny than I am in Dan Harmon claiming a pyrrhic victory really. I want it to succeed, at least on a qualitative level.

Matt DC, Friday, 8 February 2013 09:56 (eleven years ago) link

nah this was rly weak, felt like a cover version of a song that fails to either understand what makes the song work or put an interesting reinterpretation on it

even though it was (credited as)* written and directed by returning ppl. same editors?

chuckled three times


*Sepinwall's interview with Guarascio & Port makes it clear what a huge hand they had in shaping the "new version"

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Friday, 8 February 2013 12:25 (eleven years ago) link

I actually enjoyed this!

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 8 February 2013 16:29 (eleven years ago) link

I thought it was ok. Definitely not as good as Harmon-era, but good enough to still be one of the ok'est sitcoms on tv. Which is fine by me, at this point.

Frederik B, Friday, 8 February 2013 16:51 (eleven years ago) link

There were many terrible episodes in s3 that tried way too hard or did dumb things with the characters. I actually thought this was better than those. Some of the humour and writing did seem more similar to other regular sitcoms, which I enjoyed because those shows make me laugh.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 8 February 2013 17:15 (eleven years ago) link

this was pretty funny IMO

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Friday, 8 February 2013 17:26 (eleven years ago) link

It was good, if a little forced. The Community Babies bit was great, though.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 8 February 2013 17:35 (eleven years ago) link

i stole their balls while they were Incepting

Nhex, Friday, 8 February 2013 19:14 (eleven years ago) link

this feels kind of like when you see actors from the Wire on Criminal Minds or Flashforward.

President Keyes, Friday, 8 February 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link

This wasn't actually any worse than the start of S2 or S3, and I actually thought the lol-sitcom bits were kind of clever. Weird to see an opening episode of Community openly pitching to committed fans rather than noobs. Although I was really hoping that if the new showrunners were going to throw one element of old Community old of the window it would be fugue state Abed.

Complete waste of a Hunger Games parody though, although Jeff and the Dean living next door to one another has potential.

Matt DC, Friday, 8 February 2013 21:00 (eleven years ago) link

I thought that was the perfect usage of a Hunger Games parody; any more would have been an SNL skit

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Friday, 8 February 2013 21:13 (eleven years ago) link

i didn't think it was that great but i don't know if the problem was with the show or because i'd read this thread/knew about the harmon situation and everything : /

mookieproof, Friday, 8 February 2013 21:16 (eleven years ago) link

not funny

j., Saturday, 9 February 2013 05:57 (eleven years ago) link

it felt weird. kinda the same, but...weird. like invasion of the bodysnatchers

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 February 2013 06:55 (eleven years ago) link

not horrible, but not promising

da croupier, Saturday, 9 February 2013 06:56 (eleven years ago) link

s3 was already a little thinner and more inane than s2 so in a sense tossing harmon just makes a trajectory that was always likely even moreso. only episode one but i'll be pretty shocked if there's an interesting emotional arc anytime soon

da croupier, Saturday, 9 February 2013 07:05 (eleven years ago) link

The "Ring girl" joke from next week looked funny when I saw it, but...now I've already seen it.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 9 February 2013 07:10 (eleven years ago) link

"can it, ham"

s.clover, Friday, 15 February 2013 03:08 (eleven years ago) link

shut this off after like halfway through. it wasn't bad but I think I'm just kinda over this show? the fan pandering last season was bad enough.

ta-nehisi goatse (fadanuf4erybody), Friday, 15 February 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link

man

j., Saturday, 16 February 2013 07:30 (eleven years ago) link

I usually don't post in this thread but I've got to say that was the worst episode they've done yet. Just... so much of so many things that the show just doesn't need.

you made me the queef of your fart (edwardo), Saturday, 16 February 2013 11:05 (eleven years ago) link

written by megan ganz

so I guess things won't be okay after all

gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Saturday, 16 February 2013 11:11 (eleven years ago) link

something felt really off about the direction too, or the post-production--or whatever process they put shows through to make them not terrible

gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Saturday, 16 February 2013 11:13 (eleven years ago) link

and when Pierce inverted the Chang line from last season about fire and ghosts, it felt so pointless

gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Saturday, 16 February 2013 11:18 (eleven years ago) link

I was going to come here to defend the episode but I can't actually remember a particularly funny or affecting bit.:P

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 16 February 2013 16:43 (eleven years ago) link

Britta and Jeff's whole "Are you?" "Did he?" run was ok, but other than that...

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 16 February 2013 16:44 (eleven years ago) link

I quite enjoyed this actually, although I didn't really laugh. It's weird in that there doesn't seem to be any major change in approach but the lines just aren't as funny and the characters feel like they're impersonating themselves.

Matt DC, Saturday, 16 February 2013 17:00 (eleven years ago) link

Everything with Jeff's dad was great and Shirley's reaction to the sex room killed me

My biggest problem was that parts of the episode felt rushed, to the point where I sometimes felt like the actors were rushing through their dialogue and I had a difficult time understanding them.

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Saturday, 16 February 2013 17:02 (eleven years ago) link

Av club otm:

The show seems to lean more on “like-a-jokes” now, jokes that sound like jokes and have the rhythm of jokes and are delivered like jokes, but aren’t actually funny. This tends to happen on older sitcoms, which lean heavily on things they already know the actors are good at.

gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Saturday, 16 February 2013 17:10 (eleven years ago) link

Shirley's reaction to the S&M room was probably my favourite bit. Also Britta still does 'dorky' exceptionally well. Like I don't think this episode was a disaster by any standards.

Matt DC, Saturday, 16 February 2013 18:33 (eleven years ago) link

yeah i liked it. I mean, it was a Britta A+ alone

to me i was only annoyed that this was a Halloween episode delayed for four months

Nhex, Saturday, 16 February 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link

Troys happy-face on the swing was the highlight in my opinion. I also liked the stuff about Do the Right Thing, though I didn't get it till the avclub pointed it out. Other than that it was middling. I mean, it's not disastrous, and I'm not 'over it'. But if this was a new show I probably wouldn't bother. As it is, I actually wanna know about fathers and halfbrothers and stuff like that, so I'll continue watching.

Frederik B, Saturday, 16 February 2013 18:45 (eleven years ago) link

I quite enjoyed this actually, although I didn't really laugh. It's weird in that there doesn't seem to be any major change in approach but the lines just aren't as funny and the characters feel like they're impersonating themselves.

― Matt DC, Saturday, February 16, 2013 12:00 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That last point is OTM. The first thing I thought of was what Richard Pryor said about post-burn work, that he felt like he was doing an impression of Richard Pryor.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 16 February 2013 19:18 (eleven years ago) link

I still don't think this is that much worse than the first few episodes of S3, which were really bad.

Matt DC, Saturday, 16 February 2013 20:54 (eleven years ago) link

^^oh yeah, I agree. I didn't hate the premiere, to be honest

ta-nehisi goatse (fadanuf4erybody), Saturday, 16 February 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link

where i'm at too, basically

weed, tumblr whites and wein (some dude), Saturday, 16 February 2013 21:48 (eleven years ago) link

2nd episode of ssn 3 was much funnier than this

gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Saturday, 16 February 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago) link

I'll rep for eps 2-10 (maybe 11) of s3.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 17 February 2013 00:04 (eleven years ago) link

And, actually, the remainder of s3 except "Contemporary Impressionists", "Virtual Systems Analysis", and everything that happened after Starburns died and Chang took over the school. (Might make an exception for "Digital Estate Planning".)

I did laugh at Annie's "can't appreciate the homage/I hate reference humour" comments. I enjoyed these two episodes well enough when they were on, in the way that I would appreciate a sitcom that I would never care to rewatch or think about again.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 17 February 2013 00:07 (eleven years ago) link

something felt really off about the direction too, or the post-production--or whatever process they put shows through to make them not terrible

Harmon used to spend all-night shifts in the editing bay apparently

Shapeero is a returning S3 director, wonder if any others will show up again - Russos obviously gone forever, Justin Lim won't have time ever, but Jay Chandrasekhar seems happy to work on p much anything -- though presumably the Russos brought him in via Arrested Development history

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Sunday, 17 February 2013 13:04 (eleven years ago) link

Not bad, but FotC & 30 Rock did that Nigeria joke better.

Big Sambola & The Tailspinners (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 22 February 2013 01:10 (eleven years ago) link

This is much much better than last week so far

This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Friday, 22 February 2013 01:19 (eleven years ago) link

otm. Nearly on par with season 2.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 22 February 2013 02:59 (eleven years ago) link

reading the rageful dislike on AV Club (although the comments seem evenly split) really makes me wonder if half of the people who were into this show were actually just into Dan Harmon

This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Friday, 22 February 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link

it was an OK episode IMO, not one of their strongest but nothing i've seen so far this year really disappoints me

Nhex, Friday, 22 February 2013 15:53 (eleven years ago) link

I really disliked the Annie storyline because it did seem like she had matured past behaving as childishly as she did in this episode, but otherwise it wasn't as bad as I had I feared.

Ulna (Nicole), Friday, 22 February 2013 16:12 (eleven years ago) link

Annie's storyline was childish but fed into her gonzo obsessive streak and opened up the hilarious drink-throwing scene and Jeff's concern about his hairline

This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Friday, 22 February 2013 16:19 (eleven years ago) link

djp probably otm. There's a slight drop in quality in these new eps but really nothing major.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 22 February 2013 16:50 (eleven years ago) link

The more you say the new eps sucks, the more it feeds the "DH is TV Jesus and died for our sins" narrative.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 22 February 2013 17:06 (eleven years ago) link

Compared to how much negative stuff I'd seen written about this episode, I was quite satisfied. The Annie-stuff was a bit dumb, but it was quite fun, and I liked Abed Wingering it. Also, honestly, I was happy to see Annie having a story of her own.

Frederik B, Friday, 22 February 2013 18:40 (eleven years ago) link

I thought this episode was great, I'm mystified by all the critics who thought it was emblematic of the show's decline. Good material for Troy and Annie in particular, who are my favorites when the writing allows them to have fun. Also sexy Britta fleeing Troy's room should've garnered more critical goodwill, surely.

says a future man to his crystal son (reddening), Friday, 22 February 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link

I think the short answer is "anything that makes fun of nerdy fandom will make modern critics feel badly about themselves"

This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Friday, 22 February 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link

Also sexy Britta fleeing Troy's room should've garnered more critical goodwill, surely.
yes. yes

Nhex, Friday, 22 February 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link

It took me a while to get to this point because of age difference bias but I now like that they've taken the expected initial parings of Jeff/Britta and Troy/Annie and swapped them

Also do you guys remember the viral video of my buddy the Washington state representative making a speech about how his deep-felt Christianity compelled him to vote to legalize gay marriage? Apparently he went to high school with Joel McHale, who showed up at one of his fundraisers last year. </threedegreesofseparationfromannieandbritta>

This beat is TWEENCHRONIC (DJP), Friday, 22 February 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link

I dunno, I think I honestly preferred last week's episode. (I was never fond of Inspector Spacetime, admittedly). This felt a bit like a Big Bang Theory episode or something.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 22 February 2013 21:14 (eleven years ago) link

What is FotC?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 22 February 2013 21:15 (eleven years ago) link

Flight of the Conchords I think?

HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 22 February 2013 21:25 (eleven years ago) link

Fellowship of the Cockfarmers

Ulna (Nicole), Friday, 22 February 2013 21:30 (eleven years ago) link

hee hee

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 February 2013 21:30 (eleven years ago) link

would watch

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 February 2013 21:30 (eleven years ago) link

xposts

Ah.

I really disliked the Annie storyline because it did seem like she had matured past behaving as childishly as she did in this episode, but otherwise it wasn't as bad as I had I feared.

Definitely liked last week's "I'm sure as stuff not your sexy little ring girl" Annie.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 22 February 2013 21:31 (eleven years ago) link

xposts. They had a gag where Murray the manager responded to one of those Nigerian emails, and the Nigerian finance minister came to see him.

Big Sambola & The Tailspinners (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 22 February 2013 21:32 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, I remember that. It was a good one. I just didn't recognize what "FotC" meant at first.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 22 February 2013 21:34 (eleven years ago) link

I was kinda hoping the Annie/Jeff story last night would blossom into more of a Certified Copy parody/homage, which would have been really next-level.

Big Sambola & The Tailspinners (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 22 February 2013 21:36 (eleven years ago) link

I also said it felt like a big bang theory episode! After Britta's sexy escape

kinder, Friday, 22 February 2013 22:27 (eleven years ago) link

Don't think is is an absolute disaster that AV Club/Dorks On Twitter think it is, despite a bit of a decline in awesome jokes.

Blowing off the whole 'Abed is going to freak out about them fucking' with his relevation that he has been taking advantage of morning donuts was great btw.

B.A. "Bad Attitude" Santamaria (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 23 February 2013 00:01 (eleven years ago) link

I also said it felt like a big bang theory episode!

I thought this as well. But at least it doesn't have the laugh track!

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Saturday, 23 February 2013 00:02 (eleven years ago) link

winger's admirer was a nice bit of casting

железобетонное очко (mookieproof), Saturday, 23 February 2013 00:16 (eleven years ago) link

Six is still bangin'

Nhex, Saturday, 23 February 2013 05:11 (eleven years ago) link

okay you guys talked all DAY about this and no-one mentioned Luke Perry + Jenny Garth!? Ugh. Nerds.

Not bad! Didnt like the Annie storyline at all but otherwise it was ok & had some funny moments. The Thoraxis bow-down made me lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 February 2013 05:36 (eleven years ago) link

i did not recognize jenny garth

железобетонное очко (mookieproof), Saturday, 23 February 2013 05:38 (eleven years ago) link

Her face looks a little weird but it's totes KELLY

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 February 2013 05:41 (eleven years ago) link

after three episodes, the pacing still seems off... a little too fast? but it's not bad at all.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 23 February 2013 05:46 (eleven years ago) link

weird, i did not recognize her at all

Nhex, Saturday, 23 February 2013 07:46 (eleven years ago) link

Luke Perry was on Raising Hope this week too--odd timing, since this Community was supposed to air in November or something.

gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Saturday, 23 February 2013 09:59 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, I didn't mention it bc I felt like I'd already seen enough of Mr. Perry this week.

Ulna (Nicole), Saturday, 23 February 2013 12:33 (eleven years ago) link

as expected the qualm with the "so there's 50 years of this, huh" line was totally bonkers

This is called money bags. (zachlyon), Saturday, 23 February 2013 16:55 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah OTM, it made total sense in context.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 23 February 2013 17:46 (eleven years ago) link

Hogan's Villans.

s.clover, Friday, 1 March 2013 05:09 (eleven years ago) link

bottle episode callbacks a nice touch too.

s.clover, Friday, 1 March 2013 05:13 (eleven years ago) link

Caught up on the first three eps of the season. Laughed plenty. I don't think any particular ep went next-level like the show could, but none of the shows were as bleah as the "wine-tasting" one.

At this point, the show is enjoyable and doesn't make me want to end humanity like most other tv, so it's fine.

The New Jack Mormons! (kingfish), Friday, 1 March 2013 08:01 (eleven years ago) link

Didn't like this one at all. I laughed once or twice, but everything seemed slapdash and inconsistent. I sort of liked the reversal -- that the study group is actually hated by everyone -- but it didn't make any logical sense, given how many times they saved the school and were able to rally everyone around them (paintballs, Chang dealie, etc). Also, they played D&D on a Saturday when (presumably) no one else would want or need to use the study room.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 1 March 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link

This isn't the first time the group were cast as villains tho, isn't it? I thought something like this happened already once.

Show still sort of funny, i mostly watch it for the characters/actors not the writing. I know we are all doomed to wander in a Harmon-less desert for 40 years of death and pestilence but TV show = OK. The groundbreaking older episodes still exist.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 1 March 2013 15:48 (eleven years ago) link

People frequently study on Saturdays in college

that Django got me Nuages (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 1 March 2013 17:42 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, the glitch there is they had literally established everybody else at the school was at the puppy parade. thought this episode was actually bad (watchable but bad). current show is this weird mix of straining fealty to previous seasons of show and betrayal of previous seasons of show.

balls, Friday, 1 March 2013 18:11 (eleven years ago) link

There were some funny jokes and I liked all the stuff about history/war/Germany. I hated the Chang stuff from last season so I wasn't thrilled about that coming back but I guess they couldn't really blow it off.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 1 March 2013 19:23 (eleven years ago) link

also arguably ken jeong is one of the bigger stars on community, so makes sense they'd want to give him play.

s.clover, Friday, 1 March 2013 19:25 (eleven years ago) link

I thought he was a lot funnier as the dickish Spanish teacher. The whole security guard arc just fell flat for me (but at least it set up some good episodes after the expulsion).

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 1 March 2013 19:29 (eleven years ago) link

I was disappointed that they didn't do more with the security guard voiceover gag. I thought they would gotta a few minor reoccurring laughs thru the contrast of Chang's powerless mundanity vs his extravagant internal delusions

The New Jack Mormons! (kingfish), Friday, 1 March 2013 19:33 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, he was GREAT as a Spanish teacher. They really seemed to be struggling with what to do with him after he lost that job. The whole coup and tyrannical reign was the nadir for me.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 1 March 2013 19:34 (eleven years ago) link

That stuff happened while Harmon was still head btw.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 1 March 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link

o rly

balls, Friday, 1 March 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, I haven't denied that. I'm not a Harmon partisan. I've even said that the first two episodes of s4 were better than the worst of s4.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 1 March 2013 20:18 (eleven years ago) link

I fell asleep during this. I don't feel bad. The Not-Kroll German was laaaaaaaaame

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 1 March 2013 20:36 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, bringing back the Germans seemed lazy enough, but without Kroll? Shit smacked of desperation.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 1 March 2013 21:34 (eleven years ago) link

I was kind of bummed that they didn't have Kroll, the other guy was pretty lame.

Ulna (Nicole), Friday, 1 March 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago) link

the editing felt really weird on this one, the scene with abed and the one german guy talking about the game they play felt very weirdly shoehorned in. the jokes were broad and weak -- prof complaining he was fired for getting caught with a coed and annie pulling her cardigan closed? that's like the tritest college joke ever. pierce gets electrocuted? that's the joke?

says a future man to his crystal son (reddening), Friday, 1 March 2013 23:44 (eleven years ago) link

Those were weak, and the Lactaid joke sucked too, but I liked e.g. "You were just following orders". I even laughed at the "Real World" joke.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 2 March 2013 00:01 (eleven years ago) link

"Hogan's Villains" joke was good too. But this is probably OTM for the most part: http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/telefile/2013/03/community-alternative-history-of-the-german-invasion-review.php

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 2 March 2013 00:13 (eleven years ago) link

oh I will admit to laughing at "the German version of The Nanny."

says a future man to his crystal son (reddening), Saturday, 2 March 2013 00:22 (eleven years ago) link

Franlein, no?

Vol. 3: The Life & Times of E. "Boom" Carter (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 2 March 2013 00:43 (eleven years ago) link

I laughed at one bit of this, which was Pierce getting butthurt about not being able to be the Hitler of the group, otherwise this was pretty bad. Pierce getting electrocuted is probably exactly the sort of gag that Chevy wanted in the show all along. I was sort of pro- bringing the Germans back but WW2 gags are just lazy (crucially the fussball episode avoided them) and the guy playing their new leader was just bad.

Ken Jeong is an amazing comic actor but if they can't figure out better material for him than simply inserting the word 'Chang' into everything he says then they might as well bin the character. He was funny up until the end of S2 but they've totally lost their way with him by now.

An Oxford professor who is reduced to teaching at Greendale is hilarious in theory but didn't work that well in practice. Also, British people don't say "co-ed", ESPECIALLY fusty old Oxford history professors. It's kind of annoying because they totally nailed the Britishisms with Professor Ian Duncan (RIP), even when they were lol-Britishisms, so this just smacks of laziness in the writing.

Britta and Troy as a couple are not funny, and it prevents the group from laying into Britta like the good lord intended.

current show is this weird mix of straining fealty to previous seasons of show and betrayal of previous seasons of show.

The straining is the irritating part, you can tell the writers are trying to write for the nerds while simultaneously broadening the comedy. So there's this nudge-nudge kind of meta comedy for the nerds, like Pierce coming in and ruining Inspector Spacetime, or the digs at mainstream comedy in the first episode. But the original Community didn't dig at mainstream comedy, it loved it. And it did great broad comedy - ie any occasion when Jeff got kicked in the fact/beaten up/had his head bounced off the table.

It's weird because I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with the approach per se, the problem is the scripts aren't funny enough. Most of the actors are doing their best though - Alison Brie, Danny Pudi and Joel McHale in particular are still carrying their lines well enough to make the show watchable.

Matt DC, Sunday, 3 March 2013 13:11 (eleven years ago) link

^^ otm. We grumbled at the co-ed thing too. Dumb.
I did like this ep though, esp 'Hogan's villains'.

kinder, Sunday, 3 March 2013 13:39 (eleven years ago) link

I wondered about "coed" too. I can't even imagine a Canadian professor using that term tbh.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 3 March 2013 14:42 (eleven years ago) link

Do Americans even still say "coed"?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 3 March 2013 14:43 (eleven years ago) link

American newscasters do.

I laughed a lot at this episode but I was three beers deep when I watched it. I thought the Real World joke was wonderful regardless of inebriation, though.

my super interesting Kant story (DJP), Sunday, 3 March 2013 15:58 (eleven years ago) link

So what is the British English term for a student you get fired for having sex with?

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 4 March 2013 00:19 (eleven years ago) link

if they can't figure out better material for him than simply inserting the word 'Chang' into everything he says then they might as well bin the character.

V. OTM.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 4 March 2013 00:24 (eleven years ago) link

not british but i think it's "student" xp

This is called money bags. (zachlyon), Monday, 4 March 2013 00:24 (eleven years ago) link

A "Bird"

gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Monday, 4 March 2013 01:36 (eleven years ago) link

its "newsie wewsies"

max, Monday, 4 March 2013 01:37 (eleven years ago) link

funny episode

Shuwopley (some dude), Monday, 4 March 2013 18:16 (eleven years ago) link

"Hogan's Villains" was a my favorite quickie joke of the whole episode. I thought this one was slightly better than the three that came before it. I dunno why. The jokes just seem better at Greendale instead of off campus. Still a far cry from the show's peak, though.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 4 March 2013 18:38 (eleven years ago) link

I thought the whole thing was pretty funny and reading the handwringing about the study group being called Nazis online was even funnier. Like, it's been pretty apparent for a couple of seasons now that the study group en masse has an antagonistic relationship with the rest of the school; many of the members have friends outside of it but no one at the school aside from the Dean appears to have any time for them as a group.

my super interesting Kant story (DJP), Monday, 4 March 2013 18:43 (eleven years ago) link

i feel like the show treads a line of "your awesome TV friends who you love to spend time with would be kinda dicks IRL" that is very familiar in the post-Seinfeld age, and that it's pretty silly that anyone would take offense at it.

Shuwopley (some dude), Monday, 4 March 2013 19:36 (eleven years ago) link

are they editing in awkward pauses for laughter now, or am I just laughing less?

da croupier, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 01:59 (eleven years ago) link

i totally understand if people who watch 10 sitcoms each week think this is one the 15 best sitcoms on tv, but it really does remind me of bob camp-era ren & stimpys

da croupier, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 02:08 (eleven years ago) link

woops, meant to use the number 10 twice, didn't intend to make a further dis

da croupier, Tuesday, 5 March 2013 02:09 (eleven years ago) link

So next...
Troy and abed are bronies
Changam style
Pierce gives a TED Talk

gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 19:43 (eleven years ago) link

Man, when you are reduced to ripping off an episode of Angel that's pretty weak sauce.

Ulna (Nicole), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link

tbf, that is possibly the best episode of Angel, so if you're gonna rip one off...

Nhex, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link

Yet the claymation episode was a mind-blowingly brilliant and original idea.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link

mostly because it was a Claymation Christmas episode

"Bellini." (DJP), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

so actually the show is using the company that did the puppets for angel, if that helps anyone deal with that conflict at all.

Clay, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 21:12 (eleven years ago) link

really the most upsetting thing for me here is learning that Angel had a puppet episode

"Bellini." (DJP), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 21:20 (eleven years ago) link

it's fantastic.

Nhex, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 21:24 (eleven years ago) link

Was a really good episode iirc

pandemic, Wednesday, 6 March 2013 21:25 (eleven years ago) link

You rc, was written by Ben Edlund

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Wednesday, 6 March 2013 21:47 (eleven years ago) link

Not a bad episode, and Jeff's half-brother was pretty funny. But what the hell, are Troy and Britta suddenly no longer dating?

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 8 March 2013 02:53 (eleven years ago) link

thought that was weird too

Nhex, Friday, 8 March 2013 04:18 (eleven years ago) link

I'm really bored by this show now and it makes me sad.

Evan, Friday, 8 March 2013 05:44 (eleven years ago) link

I'm watching this and man the guy from Workaholics is a lucky sonofabitch to get so much work. He's a horrible actor.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 March 2013 19:04 (eleven years ago) link

He has a certain amount of buzz right now. He'll go away soon.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 8 March 2013 19:08 (eleven years ago) link

I thought he was decent, in a fun, unrealistically over-the-top kind of way. Never seen him before/in Workaholics, though.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 8 March 2013 19:09 (eleven years ago) link

He's in Workaholics, this (and future?) ep of Community, a Sim City commercial, and probably a couple other places I can't recall.

I know people who LOVE Workaholics. I think it's just bad tv. Not because I'm a prude or too highbrow for it. It's just not good. In this guy's defense, he's probably the least objectionable of the three stars.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 8 March 2013 19:12 (eleven years ago) link

he was also in Pitch Perfect

yes, I saw Pitch Perfect

"Bellini." (DJP), Friday, 8 March 2013 19:14 (eleven years ago) link

Didn't find this very funny at all - Jeff's dad and brother felt poorly cast and a wasted opportunity. The Abed-Shawshank Redemption strand was really strained. Britta was good in this one though.

I'm losing patience with the show in general by the point, but I am totally ready for Pierce to ride off into the sunset now because Chevy is carrying his lines worse than anyone right now. The rest of the cast are still great to watch even when their lines aren't very funny.

Matt DC, Friday, 8 March 2013 19:22 (eleven years ago) link

Chevy had one really awkward line reading last night. I can't remember what it was, but I immediately thought he must have been asked to do another take but probably/dickishly refused.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 8 March 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link

Thinking back to a character like Vaughan, or Pierce's dad, and how great the minor details of those characters were, and they conspicuously failed to do anything like that with Jeff's brother. Like, he vomits sometimes? Is that the sum total of the humour in the character?

Matt DC, Friday, 8 March 2013 19:27 (eleven years ago) link

I saw Workaholics, maybe 5 or 6 eps, and thought it was hilarious. But here, not so much. Didn't help that he was cast for a role in the serious/dramatic/character development story arc. I thought maybe he was supposed to be slow, so it just seemed mean-spirited to me.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 March 2013 19:31 (eleven years ago) link

I thought large chunks of this were funny/great, esp Britta

I also admit to taking the easy lols offered by Annie's attempt to fake her way out of Shirley's house and how Shirley thwarted her

I thought the main point of Jeff's brother was that he was the exact opposite of Jeff; short, dumpy, codependent, super emotional, etc, basically showing Jeff's dad as an all-around failure of a parental figure and an emotional villain for Jeff to build his speech off of.

"Bellini." (DJP), Friday, 8 March 2013 19:32 (eleven years ago) link

They could have done all that in ways that were funny, and with better -drawn characters. It all felt like a pointless frittering away of a moment they've been working up to for years.

Matt DC, Friday, 8 March 2013 19:49 (eleven years ago) link

define "better-drawn"

"Bellini." (DJP), Friday, 8 March 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link

I'll agree that Jeff meeting his dad seemed thrown together, but really, once Bill Murray was out of the running, I didn't care anymore.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 8 March 2013 19:58 (eleven years ago) link

Brolin was not a bad choice imo

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 March 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago) link

despite jeff's dad and brother being pretty nondescript i thought the emotional stuff at the end was pretty well done, even if it was a bit much all at once. but prior to that i can't say i got much of anything from this episode. watching this season while i rewatch season 2 for the first time in a while probably isn't helping me have much in the way of good feelings about the new stuff.

did anyone else think that chevy chase's delivery was often a bit slurred? i had to strain to pick up what he was saying at a few points.

hot young stalin (Merdeyeux), Friday, 8 March 2013 20:12 (eleven years ago) link

shawshank stuff was so strained

This is called money bags. (zachlyon), Friday, 8 March 2013 20:17 (eleven years ago) link

I didn't even watch this! It's not like I was boycotting it, I just got busy and forgot. I was curious to see how the situation with Jeff's dad played out, oh well.

Ulna (Nicole), Friday, 8 March 2013 20:43 (eleven years ago) link

I know people who LOVE Workaholics. I think it's just bad tv.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, March 8, 2013 2:12 PM (1 hour ago)

It's the poor man's It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia.

Evan, Friday, 8 March 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link

workaholics is better than community

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 8 March 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link

At this point I'd agree.

Evan, Friday, 8 March 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link

it's a dumb show that knows it's dumb as opposed to a dumb show that thinks it's smart

congratulations (n/a), Friday, 8 March 2013 20:57 (eleven years ago) link

i like the shawshank stuff. straining credulity sure, but the first movie thing this season that has been not just screwing with us.

btw when we talk about great episodes from past seasons i've realized that somehow the "dinner with andre" episode stopped getting as consistent mention. that's still the apex of the series for me.

s.clover, Friday, 8 March 2013 23:58 (eleven years ago) link

workaholics is better than sunny at this point

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Saturday, 9 March 2013 00:01 (eleven years ago) link

THIS EPISODE WAS ABOUT *EMOTIONS* OR SOMETHING

B.A. "Bad Attitude" Santamaria (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 9 March 2013 03:22 (eleven years ago) link

Pierce gives a TED Talk

wait, this is a great idea

B.A. "Bad Attitude" Santamaria (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 9 March 2013 03:23 (eleven years ago) link

a better show would have made the groop interact with shirley's in-laws and made it funny rather than hiding in the garage

mookieproof, Saturday, 9 March 2013 03:28 (eleven years ago) link

this feels av club-standard nitpicky, but why were they so enthusiastic about thanksgiving at shirley's anyway? rejecting shirley's food is a firm and long-standing staple of the group.

hot young stalin (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 9 March 2013 03:31 (eleven years ago) link

they were enthusiastic because their own families suck and at least they would be together

yeah, it doesn't really take much in the way of comedic chops to play pierce, especially now -- chevrolet is *really* mailing it in

mookieproof, Saturday, 9 March 2013 03:45 (eleven years ago) link

they were excited because then they had an excuse to do shawshank

This is called money bags. (zachlyon), Saturday, 9 March 2013 04:44 (eleven years ago) link

(the writers, i mean)

This is called money bags. (zachlyon), Saturday, 9 March 2013 04:44 (eleven years ago) link

When Jeff's dad faked the heart attack I couldn't work out whether they were making a point about him being a bit like Pierce or just throwing in a lazy shout-out to last season.

Actually, Jeff's reaction upon realising his father was basically Pierce Hawthorne would have been hilarious in ways this episode didn't get anywhere near.

a better show would have made the groop interact with shirley's in-laws and made it funny rather than hiding in the garage

This. The fact that so much of the action appeared to be going on off-camera didn't really work either. Weird decision to finally show us Shirley's house when Malcolm Jamal-Warner couldn't appear for whatever reason.

define "better-drawn"

If you really want me to spell this out, the first season in the show really took care with its minor characters, they'd all have these unique little touches to them that ensured they held your attention whenever they were onscreen. A character like Vaughan could have been some general trustarian type but they bothered to write in the details (tiny nipples, saying hello and goodbye three times, awesome songs). When the writers put together Jeff's brother they basically stopped at 'chubby, dorky, butthurt' and then 'what if we make him vomit while stressed lololol?'

Matt DC, Saturday, 9 March 2013 13:01 (eleven years ago) link

well-drawn characters like Magnitude

Darth Icky (DJP), Saturday, 9 March 2013 14:15 (eleven years ago) link

^ capn save-a-show

da croupier, Saturday, 9 March 2013 15:15 (eleven years ago) link

i mean come on, the point of magnitude is that he's a walking catchphrase. how does his existence remotely undercut the idea that characters were more developed and nuanced in the past?

da croupier, Saturday, 9 March 2013 15:18 (eleven years ago) link

Bitching that a character seems like a broad sketch on a show full of broad sketch characters and using as your main example a character who made several appearances over a protracted story line is making a poor argument IMO.

This isn't even getting into the issue of any minority outside of the study group being marginally drawn at best, with both Troy and Shirley (esp. Shirley) going through patches where the writers have no idea of what to do with them and Abed basically being a walking AV Club commenter 50% of the time. Despite this, I still find shit in the show to make me laugh, usually due to the chemistry between 6/7 of the study group.

The season opener was okayish and the Halloween episode was bordering on terrible; since then, the show has stabilized somewhat and given me solid laughs. I guess that makes me Cap'n Save-A-Show.

Darth Icky (DJP), Saturday, 9 March 2013 16:45 (eleven years ago) link

i've said it before, but i totally understand if someone who watchs a lot of sitcoms still thinks this is a show worth watching. there's good actors and decent gags. it's needling people over their word choice when trying to describe a quality drop-off and then, when they do, bringing up a bit character that was clearly meta commentary ON thin character work as if he wasn't, is what made me say "capn save-a-show"

da croupier, Saturday, 9 March 2013 16:54 (eleven years ago) link

i haven't seen the new episode, but i can see how a broad bit re: jeff's family would be disappointing considering the seasons of build-up to it. And if Vaughn feels like a poor comparison point, I thought Malcolm Jamal-Warner's first appearance was pretty classic as far as the introduction of family goes.

da croupier, Saturday, 9 March 2013 16:58 (eleven years ago) link

This just isn't true though, most of the minor characters had enough distinctive characteristics to make them interesting and enjoyable even they were only in an episode or a couple of scenes, I could easily have used the example of the Seize The Day guy, or the pottery teacher.

It's not even that the brother was a broad sketch character, it's that he's a lazily conceived and unfunny broad sketch character. I get the feeling you're playing down the distinctiveness of older characters (even some of the leads) in order to make the point that there's not much difference in how S4 handles things, which just isn't true. The old Community would never have handled such a pivotal moment in the life of its central character in such a tossed off way.

Matt DC, Saturday, 9 March 2013 17:02 (eleven years ago) link

(xpost to DJP)

Matt DC, Saturday, 9 March 2013 17:04 (eleven years ago) link

on the one hand i think you're right. on the other, i don't actually think the show is that much poorer for it.

s.clover, Saturday, 9 March 2013 17:06 (eleven years ago) link

this thread is going to straight-up "worked for me" vs "didn't work for me" and "not what it was" vs "still best thing on thursdays at 8" until they pull the plug, isn't it?

da croupier, Saturday, 9 March 2013 17:12 (eleven years ago) link

that's how all these popular sitcom threads go more or less

Nhex, Saturday, 9 March 2013 17:13 (eleven years ago) link

i'm probably done with it since the quality is just high enough that i can't hate-watch it like smash. "well that was an underwhelming resolution, but i liked when troy did that thing." Considering the flaws of season 3 it's not even necessarily worse than it would have been if Dan Harmon was watching it from afar while focusing on a new show. it's just clear that nobody on board is going to be surprising us. it's a skeleton crew until the lease runs out.

da croupier, Saturday, 9 March 2013 17:19 (eleven years ago) link

"Community" was never the best thing on Thursdays at 8

Darth Icky (DJP), Saturday, 9 March 2013 17:19 (eleven years ago) link

bbt4life

da croupier, Saturday, 9 March 2013 17:21 (eleven years ago) link

actually what about the end of s1, before they moved bbt - in early 2010 did you prefer vampire diaries, bones, flashforward or survivor?

da croupier, Saturday, 9 March 2013 17:34 (eleven years ago) link

The dramatic elements of most Community eps are really low on the chain of appreciation, personally. I enjoy the jokes and the performances of the main actors, and if it's a high-concept ep, the stylistic choices. I can appreciate the dramatic Learning Moments they pretty much put into every ep (aching piano soundtrack and all) because i think of it more as another element of TV sitcom meta. Character arcs over a single ep are important mainly as a framing device, and it is important to keep the balance between that and the comedy. Sometimes the show is so focused on getting to that Learning Moment that the other elements are ignored. And you end up with something like the last episode.

Did Harmon take a bunch of the writing staff too? Maybe there is something more to his leaving.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 9 March 2013 18:28 (eleven years ago) link

dude reportedly rewrote every episode and was heavily involved in shaping plots in the writing room. so basically every moment of s1-3 had his strong stamp of approval on it

da croupier, Saturday, 9 March 2013 18:34 (eleven years ago) link

the only two holdovers from seasons 2 & 3 that i'm aware of were andy bobrow and megan ganz, on a staff of about probably a dozen.

Clay, Saturday, 9 March 2013 18:41 (eleven years ago) link

the thing about tv writing credits is that while the one credited did most of the grunt-work, usually the plots are beat out by committee and then the crew fine-tunes the script after. not every show-runner is as dictatorial as harmon reportedly was, but the only people with more power and authority over the direction and content of the show is the studio and network (and maybe a big name exec producer).

da croupier, Saturday, 9 March 2013 18:47 (eleven years ago) link

also acc to wikipedia The end of the third season also marks several other departures including executive producers Neil Goldman and Garrett Donovan, writer/producer Chris McKenna, actor/writer Dino Stamatopoulos, and frequent episode directors and executive producers Anthony and Joe Russo - that's a massive change at the top.

da croupier, Saturday, 9 March 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago) link

dead show walking anyway but ganz split for modern family almost as soon as this season wrapped. kudos to modern family for recognizing talent (and i'm reminded of when one of the modern family guys was gushing at harmon on twitter a few seasons back and he replied 'hey thanks, maybe you guys can give me a job in a few months'), glad ganz ended up w/ a show that could very plausibly still be on the air in ten years.

balls, Saturday, 9 March 2013 18:53 (eleven years ago) link

yeah other than bobrow I don't think there was anyone left from season 1 on the staff this year. xp

Clay, Saturday, 9 March 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link

Modern Family is already 4 seasons deep, right? You think it could run for 14?

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 9 March 2013 18:54 (eleven years ago) link

alot of season 1 staff left after season 1 right - couldn't deal w/ harmon's hours, work ethic, whatever?

balls, Saturday, 9 March 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link

yeah he lost people en masse every year, but those were usually staff writers, not executive producers and supervising producers and their go-to directors (the russo's deserve A LOT of credit for the show's visual makeup / dealing with shooting episodes with constant script changes or just missing acts while Harmon freaked out rewriting things during shooting). You can't really fix having everybody who lived and breathed the show splitting, whereas you can survive losing people for whom the show is just a job.

Clay, Saturday, 9 March 2013 18:59 (eleven years ago) link

i mean it's very very unlikely it runs for 14 but there's nobody on it young enough to need to jump ship for movie stardom (the kids are another story but you can always just have them go to college out of state or get married and move like w/ charlene tilton), it's not a concept that necessitates a short run (which is what made it so weird that they seemed to started running out of ideas by season two), and it's one of the few genuine hits on tv right it'll only be more so in a few years when two and a half men and possibly ncis is gone (though for real ncis could totally still be on in ten years right?). it's a big cast so maybe salary issues could impede it down the line but they already hit that speed bump last year.

balls, Saturday, 9 March 2013 19:03 (eleven years ago) link

russos were gone anyway, maybe there was a chance they could've somehow fit in an episode somewhere for old times sake or just to be near alison brie but their involvement was gonna be way way down no matter what.

balls, Saturday, 9 March 2013 19:06 (eleven years ago) link

how i met your mother ratings were higher than ever last year (dunno about this season), in part because syndication is making more people aware it even exists, and i think that's going to inspire networks to let shows last longer assuming they're syndication-likely and cost-effective. so a show like modern family could definitely last a long, long time.

da croupier, Saturday, 9 March 2013 19:18 (eleven years ago) link

and concept doesn't seem to be much of a hurdle anyway - ted's described nearly a decade of uncle barney's sex life to his kids!

da croupier, Saturday, 9 March 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link

yeah himym was something i was thinking specifically of, that if this thing w/ that concept could last and get milked for ten years than something as loose as 'three families' could be mined forever.

balls, Saturday, 9 March 2013 19:32 (eleven years ago) link

ok so i was checking how old ed o'neill was, to see if he could open a spin-off bar in 2022, and discovered this fascinating tidbit: After being introduced to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu by his friend writer/director John Milius, O'Neill has trained in the martial art for 22 years under the mentoring of Rorion Gracie. In December 2007, O'Neill received his black belt. In the 2011 TV documentary I Am Bruce Lee, O'Neill states that he considers getting his black belt "the greatest achievement of my life, apart from my children."

Wholly unrelated to Community, but hopefully appreciable to Community fans.

da croupier, Saturday, 9 March 2013 19:47 (eleven years ago) link

when read in Abed's voice, yes.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 9 March 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago) link

...British people don't say "co-ed", ESPECIALLY fusty old Oxford history professors. It's kind of annoying because they totally nailed the Britishisms with Professor Ian Duncan (RIP), even when they were lol-Britishisms, so this just smacks of laziness in the writing.

Ha, when rewatching s2 at my highly demanding temp placement, I noticed that Duncan does refer to Britta and Annie as "coeds" in "The Psychology of Letting Go".

Also, I basically decided in the end that it would hurt too much to keep trying to watch this season. Revisiting the awesomeness of s2 only confirms this.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 12 March 2013 04:36 (eleven years ago) link

we've really stopped caring, eh? i just watched the latest one. it was alright i suppose.

hot young stalin (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 17 March 2013 21:55 (eleven years ago) link

i'm actually curious about the chang storyline.

s.clover, Sunday, 17 March 2013 21:57 (eleven years ago) link

meh. shrug.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 March 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link

yeah this has been just barely better than the worst-case scenario for new guys taking this show over.

Clay, Sunday, 17 March 2013 22:01 (eleven years ago) link

might've laughed once. but i thought the concept was dumb from the start so it never had much of a chance with me.

This is called money bags. (zachlyon), Sunday, 17 March 2013 22:05 (eleven years ago) link

Only laffs for me were the Garrett stedicam bit and Troy constantly contradicting Annie. But man, this does not stand up to repeated viewing at all.

Clay and VG otm.

Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 17 March 2013 22:10 (eleven years ago) link

it just feels like they're on a hamster wheel of recreating old episode variations with flat obvious jokes

I mean, I'm mindful that I might be holding up the earlier seasons up a bit to highly in my mind but I don't think it's just me?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 March 2013 22:12 (eleven years ago) link

nah I was watching through the first three seasons recently with these episodes interjecting and side by side comparisons don't lie. Although season 3 was a bigger decline than I had noted at the time.

There were a few things I liked about this episode but really it was just a much less coherent and well-worked version of the previous documentary-style episodes - not just not nearly as funny but a bit of a tonal mess.

hot young stalin (Merdeyeux), Sunday, 17 March 2013 22:21 (eleven years ago) link

season was certainly in a certain amount of decline (partly via the audience coming to expect a certain amount of ambition that is always conducive to a sitcom's weekly cycle) but it also had some very high highs and there's at least a couple episodes i'd nominate for the series' top 10 (chaos theory, the apocalypse now ep., pillows and blankets, maybe the law and order one but it's pretty boilerplate). Season 3 is mostly just inconsistent. But the season 2 --> season 3 drop is just apples and oranges to 3 ---> this year.

Clay, Sunday, 17 March 2013 22:45 (eleven years ago) link

certainly very certain certain whatever

Clay, Sunday, 17 March 2013 22:45 (eleven years ago) link

it just feels like they're on a hamster wheel of recreating old episode variations with flat obvious jokes

I mean, I'm mindful that I might be holding up the earlier seasons up a bit to highly in my mind but I don't think it's just me?

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, March 17, 2013 6:12 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Naw, it's definitely not just you. I used to watch Community with incredibly high expectations and, in one way or another, they were either met or exceeded. It feels too easy and unfair to pin the decline on the new showrunners, especially since a lot of writers left before Harmon did (also, Donald Glover is doing some serious heavy lifting this season -- his readings of even the hackiest lines are funny). But even in the worst of the season 3 episodes there was an undercurrent of batshittery that kept us engaged/interested. Said undercurrent is gone.

Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 17 March 2013 22:53 (eleven years ago) link

there was an element of danger in the weaker episodes always like "is this just going to go somewhere wholely else four minutes in and i didn't see it coming"? and i've now given up on ever expecting that, so even if the material is the same, the experience of watching it is very different.

but on the other hand, once you accept it as a less daring show, its still pretty decent.

s.clover, Monday, 18 March 2013 00:20 (eleven years ago) link

it feels a lot more telegraphed? idk. talking about comedy is weird because it's so subjective and shit just is funny or it isn't, but for me this season is like when Mum would buy home-brand supermarket versions of cereal i loved and get mad when I wouldn't eat it saying 'they're just the same'. CHOCO POPS ARE NOT COCO PUFFS

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 March 2013 00:23 (eleven years ago) link

yeah to me it comes down to, like, these characters are pretty fine-tuned and often delicate. Britta being the worst takes more than someone saying every episode "Britta, you're the worst." Abed being Abed takes a little more than "[television reference]" + "Eeeeeeeeeeee". I'm not the first to make this observation but the comparisons to mediocre fanfic are otm.

Clay, Monday, 18 March 2013 00:28 (eleven years ago) link

I feel like the Abed character has suffered the most in this season. Just not funny anymore.

gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Monday, 18 March 2013 00:38 (eleven years ago) link

definitely

everyone will roll their eyes @ this but: abed was based on a dude that Harmon knew irl so with Harmon gone maybe the ~heart~ of him gets lost somehow? speculating

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 March 2013 00:48 (eleven years ago) link

the "real Abed" has been showing up on Harmontown the last few weeks

gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Monday, 18 March 2013 00:50 (eleven years ago) link

i need to listen to that

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 March 2013 00:55 (eleven years ago) link

There was an interesting discussion a few weeks ago about the Abed auditions. Kumail Nanjiani, who auditioned for the part and didn't get it, was there. Everyone seemed to think Danny Pudi is a genius actor, and the character was refashioned around him.

gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Monday, 18 March 2013 01:20 (eleven years ago) link

Real Abed also auditioned and didn't get it

( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Monday, 18 March 2013 01:24 (eleven years ago) link

strained

i didn't even like the show THAT much before but the difference really is stark. those earlier episode concepts mostly felt like they came out of a surplus of ideas and immediately everyone knew there was some substance there. basically like any positive, communal creative atmosphere. now it feels like a struggle, like a bunch of writers desperately trying to force ideas together when there's really no reason to, just because they know "ideas" are what's expected of them. instead of episodes that someone at some point felt was necessary to make bc their ideas had some urgency, we're getting the results of a bunch of people treating a show like an open sandbox bc they just aren't getting any real ideas

and big serialized concept-ep-heavy shows usually have this decline but never so sudden. even last season when some of the theme eps felt forced, they backed those up with 1)funny jokes 2)executing the themes with a lot of verisimilitude ("troy is the type of player who is constantly jumping") 3)decent backstory/emotional heft backing it up

and yeah, garrett was the 1 laff this wk

This is called money bags. (zachlyon), Monday, 18 March 2013 02:02 (eleven years ago) link

I feel like I'm watching a completely different show from the rest of you. I thought this was fine.

Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 18 March 2013 13:28 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, thread becoming pretty AV Club

Stephen Thomas Duttywine (some dude), Monday, 18 March 2013 13:36 (eleven years ago) link

It was cool to see the actor that was head of the trout store or whatever, I must have seen him in over a dozen movies and tv shows.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 18 March 2013 14:37 (eleven years ago) link

I mean, I can't be the only person here who thought the season opener was okayish, the second episode really, really terrible, and everything since has been good to very good?

Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 18 March 2013 15:17 (eleven years ago) link

Third episode was the best so far, but on everything else the jokes just weren't landing for me, regardless of any conceptual/continuity flaws.

I haven't found any of the episodes to be outright awful. I still look forward to it, but in a Simpsons season 9 way, rather than in a Simpsons season 5 way.

Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 18 March 2013 15:39 (eleven years ago) link

DJP, i feel like it's been pretty good too. I can see a drop-off in quality but i don't think it's as steep as people are making it out to be.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 18 March 2013 15:41 (eleven years ago) link

I agree third episode was the best but I don't really understand sitting stonefaced through this last episode. I wasn't rolling on the ground wiping tears from my eyes but I enjoyed the Troy/Annie detective team, especially Troy's logic behind his character and Annie's exploitation of said logic. I also thought this was the funniest Pierce has been all season.

Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 18 March 2013 15:43 (eleven years ago) link

xp: I'm not even saying that there hasn't been a drop-off in quality as much as I think the drop-off happened after last year's Christmas episode and the show has basically been in a "just fine" zone ever since.

Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 18 March 2013 15:44 (eleven years ago) link

the crux of it is whether or not you enjoy 'just fine' and I don't think I do

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 March 2013 15:49 (eleven years ago) link

then, by definition, it wouldn't be "just fine"

Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 18 March 2013 15:51 (eleven years ago) link

So what are the top 5 episodes so far? I think we may have voted already but i can't find the thread. Paintball, the Trampoline one, etc? The more people gripe about this new season the more i kind of want to revisit the 'best of' eps from the first 3.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 18 March 2013 16:00 (eleven years ago) link

My favorites:

S1: Modern Warfare (Paintball 1)
S2: Aerodynamics of Gender (Trampoline)
S2: Epidemiology (zombie Halloween)
S3: Regional Holiday Music (body snatchers Xmas)
S2: Advanced Dungeons and Dragons (D&D, Fat Neil)

honorable mention to the following:

S1: Physical Education (billiards)
S2: Mixology Certification (Troy's birthday)
S2: Abed's Uncontrollable Christmas (Claymation)
S2: Paradigms of Human Memory (flashbacks)
S1: The Science of Illusion (April Fool's)

Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 18 March 2013 16:09 (eleven years ago) link

"critical film studies" (dinner with andre) is my #1 for sure.

s.clover, Monday, 18 March 2013 16:23 (eleven years ago) link

also pillow fort

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 March 2013 19:41 (eleven years ago) link

pillow fort pt 2, specifically

Darth Icky (DJP), Monday, 18 March 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago) link

The last one of season 3, where the Dean has been renting the school out for weekend raves, was pretty wonderful.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 18 March 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link

That was great; almost made the whole Chang-as-dictator storyline worth it.

Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 18 March 2013 19:53 (eleven years ago) link

first western paintball ep might be the funniest ep they ever did

This is called money bags. (zachlyon), Monday, 18 March 2013 20:21 (eleven years ago) link

epepep

This is called money bags. (zachlyon), Monday, 18 March 2013 20:21 (eleven years ago) link

This week's episode was, uh, not terrible? Not much in the way of big lols but... kind of likeable anyway?

you made me the queef of your fart (edwardo), Friday, 22 March 2013 12:27 (eleven years ago) link

feel that way about this season so far - nothing i hate except the schedule push really making all the holiday centered stuff feel weird

Nhex, Friday, 22 March 2013 12:30 (eleven years ago) link

Donald Glover seems to be doing an extended apology for Childish Gambino via his commitment to Troy this season

Darth Icky (DJP), Friday, 22 March 2013 13:22 (eleven years ago) link

"I was supposed to teach you two to teach other people, but instead, you ended up teaching me."

Thought this was pretty LOL ep.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 22 March 2013 13:56 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, this definitely was pretty decent, although Abed's subplot didn't go anywhere (and is well-worn territory), and the song/montage was meh. But Magnitude's "...diggity-doo...?" cracked me up, as did the Let's jokes.

Darth Magus (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 22 March 2013 14:04 (eleven years ago) link

writing the initials for Physical Education Education on the chalkboard was super childish and cracked me up a lot

Darth Icky (DJP), Friday, 22 March 2013 14:21 (eleven years ago) link

They really laid out their contempt for Chevro...I mean, Pierce in the opening, eh?

Vol. 3: The Life & Times of E. "Boom" Carter (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 22 March 2013 15:38 (eleven years ago) link

liked this one a lot

kinder, Friday, 22 March 2013 20:39 (eleven years ago) link

great ep all the way through. appreciate that they gave chevy the country club bit.

s.clover, Saturday, 23 March 2013 01:53 (eleven years ago) link

this was the first one this season that seemed on point. the UCB guy helped a lot.

gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Saturday, 23 March 2013 01:56 (eleven years ago) link

I agree that this episode was as good as they've been all year (and quality-wise was about the ceiling i would have put on the creative team before the year started). The A-plot's conclusion was pretty rickety ("I like being treated normal!" ... okay? It felt extremely tacked on) but the P.E.E. thing was classic community imo and if you're gonna jack Harmon that's about as good as it can be done.

Clay, Saturday, 23 March 2013 02:00 (eleven years ago) link

it was great that co-opting magnitude was where the line must be drawn.

i liked it, but i just kind of feel like the barbershop and the frat (and maybe even the p.e.e., although that was pretty good) would have been better taken advantage of in the past?

also, britta-troy isn't funny (except for that one bit with britta on the fire escape a few eps ago). they're so insistent on troy-abed and have made no suitable case for troy-britta to even begin, let alone continue

mookieproof, Saturday, 23 March 2013 02:11 (eleven years ago) link

This episode was delightful. Consistently funny with great lines and, crucially, charm. The frat was an amusing visual gag and not much more but I cracked up at the Troy and Shirley storyline throughout and Pierce was really really funny for the first time this season.

Got a real Season One vibe from this one actually, which is a much, much better way to make Community accessible than taking Season Three type storylines and giving them much broader jokes. Like if this rest of the season were to follow this cue I would be totally happy.

Matt DC, Saturday, 23 March 2013 14:43 (eleven years ago) link

good episode

Stephen Thomas Duttywine (some dude), Saturday, 23 March 2013 14:50 (eleven years ago) link

OK, you guys are convincing me to give it a chance.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 23 March 2013 14:54 (eleven years ago) link

Ha, there have been THREE episodes since the last one I watched!

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 24 March 2013 00:04 (eleven years ago) link

Huh, "Cooperative Escapism" was actually pretty good.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 24 March 2013 00:43 (eleven years ago) link

OK, I liked "Advanced Documentary Filmmaking" even though I hated the Chang storyline previously. I've loved every other "Documentary Filmmaking" episode (+ "Intro to Film" if that doesn't count) so I'll chalk it up to that.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 25 March 2013 00:50 (eleven years ago) link

They seem to have picked up after "Alternative History of the German Invasion".

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 25 March 2013 00:51 (eleven years ago) link

OK, after reading the discussion, Matt DC is consistently OTM re the characterization but it seems like enough of the old glory is left to make it a decent sitcom at times.

Croup, don't tell me you preferred BBT during s2??

Working on my top 5 eps...

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 25 March 2013 02:56 (eleven years ago) link

A top 10:

"Abed's Uncontrollable Christmas"
"Advanced Dungeons and Dragons"
"Conspiracy Theories and Interior Design"
"Introduction to Film"
"The Science of Illusion"
"Contemporary American Poultry"
"Intermediate Documentary Filmmaking"
"Modern Warfare"
"Physical Education"
"Paradigms of Human Memory"

Honourable Mentions:

"Documentary Filmmaking: Redux"
"Intro to Political Science"
"Remedial Chaos Theory"
"Digital Exploration of Interior Design"
"Studies in Modern Movement"
"Horror Fiction in Seven Spooky Steps"
"Debate 109"

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 25 March 2013 03:09 (eleven years ago) link

Also "Comparative Religion"

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 25 March 2013 03:10 (eleven years ago) link

Hm, that last one kind of sucked.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 25 March 2013 03:58 (eleven years ago) link

Croup, don't tell me you preferred BBT during s2??

i was kidding

da croupier, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 15:57 (eleven years ago) link

Comparative Religion is really underestimated, I think. It was the first of their theme-episodes that went above just 'copying genre-stuff' (although that was obviously awesome as well). All of a sudden doing the bible with Abed as Jesus was just so weird, and I think it was the first of episodes like Critical Film Studies, Remedial Chaos Theory and stuff like that. At the time, it really seemed like at least an attempt at taking the show to the next level.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 26 March 2013 19:21 (eleven years ago) link

Just watched last week's, the Mountain Dew Cool Tent bit was classic Community. This ep much better than the last two.

nickn, Friday, 29 March 2013 02:30 (eleven years ago) link

extremely sweet episode. also, 'dean law'. also abed subplot felt fanservicey, but adorable.

Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Saturday, 6 April 2013 02:15 (eleven years ago) link

i was kidding

Ha, OK. A lot of people really like that show.

"Comparative Religion" was the s1 Christmas episode, actually. The "Abed as Jesus" episode was called "Messianic Myths and Ancient Peoples". I really liked it too but iirc it wasn't that popular here. Love the Pierce subplot in that one!

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 6 April 2013 02:31 (eleven years ago) link

I laughed many times during this ep, it was a pretty good one.

One of my friends in high school decided that Sophie B Hawkins was her personal hero and style icon (she legit worshipped her and dressed like her for at least a couple of years)... the rest of us were like, 'really? because of that one song?'

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 6 April 2013 02:35 (eleven years ago) link

annoyed at myself that I totally didn't recognize Brie Larson just because she had black hair

Nhex, Saturday, 6 April 2013 02:47 (eleven years ago) link

Best ep of the season so far; far more joke landings, and the character development was plausible/consistent with previous seasons, for once. OK, maybe except for Pierce, but it didn't feel forced.

Pope Frank is the messenger of your doom (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 6 April 2013 04:49 (eleven years ago) link

yeah this ep was nice -- good jokes, chemistry between the group members felt comfortable again. also someone from the show has randomly started updating the pierce hawthorne twitter account again.

a sentimental knife (reddening), Saturday, 6 April 2013 05:41 (eleven years ago) link

Two good episodes in a row, definitely. They were in danger of Brittaing "Britta" as a verb so this was a nice way of seeing it off.

you made me the queef of your fart (edwardo), Saturday, 6 April 2013 09:56 (eleven years ago) link

ya this was a sweet episode, none of the messiness and offness of the first bunch that had me thinking this season was doomed to failure. "The Colin Farrell of people" is a nice insult to have handy too.

a similar stunt failed to work with a cow (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 6 April 2013 11:08 (eleven years ago) link

I've decided the Dean is the funniest character.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 6 April 2013 14:35 (eleven years ago) link

holy shit, the Dean's costume

relentless technosexuality (DJP), Saturday, 6 April 2013 16:13 (eleven years ago) link

yeah, Deanna Reed was next level

Nhex, Saturday, 6 April 2013 17:30 (eleven years ago) link

OK, that episode was pretty classic.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 6 April 2013 18:58 (eleven years ago) link

this show's fine, isn't it? stayed away from season 4 at first (my other half still refuses to watch it for fear of tainting her memory of a show she loves) but have really enjoyed most of the episodes thus far. this latest one was my favourite so far this season...

media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Wednesday, 10 April 2013 20:36 (eleven years ago) link

I'm coming around, but I feel like Troy and Abed are suffering the most from Dan's absence.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 11 April 2013 05:00 (eleven years ago) link

worst episode

This Is Not An ILX Username (LaMonte), Friday, 12 April 2013 00:28 (eleven years ago) link

don't know what show y'all are watching but i have not liked a single episode

infirm neophytic child (zachlyon), Friday, 12 April 2013 00:37 (eleven years ago) link

This was mostly stupid

relentless technosexuality (DJP), Friday, 12 April 2013 01:40 (eleven years ago) link

Still not as bad as the Halloween episode though

relentless technosexuality (DJP), Friday, 12 April 2013 01:43 (eleven years ago) link

It was pre-empted here for severe weather coverage, but I guess there's no hurry in catching it via ondemand this weekend, eh?

Johnny Fever, Friday, 12 April 2013 02:41 (eleven years ago) link

The songs were fucking godawful and the puppet schtick wore thin immediately. A handful of jokes weren't bad, but this episode may as well have never existed.

Pope Frank is the messenger of your doom (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 12 April 2013 02:44 (eleven years ago) link

what's sad is that the show is trying so earnestly to be lovingly reverent of harmon-era community and its fans. the balloon lady was sara bareilles, whose song "gravity" is used in a jeff/annie fanvid that the show has already made of fun of in a previous episode. but the jokes aren't there, and the characterization's become so rote (britta/troy has become just troy complaining about britta). and the high concept here was so artless! "they're doing puppet therapy" leads to...different puppets and musical numbers?

a sentimental knife (reddening), Friday, 12 April 2013 07:57 (eleven years ago) link

A- at AV Club

this is making me laugh harder than anything in the episode

relentless technosexuality (DJP), Friday, 12 April 2013 13:42 (eleven years ago) link

I was hoping the episode would get better and then Sara Bareillis showed up *sad trombone*

relentless technosexuality (DJP), Friday, 12 April 2013 14:01 (eleven years ago) link

seems like all the critics who hated the inspector spacetime convention episode really liked this one, which I don't understand at all

a sentimental knife (reddening), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:26 (eleven years ago) link

can we talk about how non-terrible their terrible secrets were?

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:28 (eleven years ago) link

A- at AV Club

Yeah, pretty baffling, especially considering this was the most blatantly, and vacuously, pandering of any episode this season.

Pope Frank is the messenger of your doom (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:31 (eleven years ago) link

not that baffling when you consider that all of the whining over there was about how the show wasn't mawkish enough

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:32 (eleven years ago) link

Good point.

The songs were so bad I wondered if the Glee episode songs were actually shitty. Nope, still great. I assume Bareillis wrote these songs, as they bear her stamp of crapulence.

Pope Frank is the messenger of your doom (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:33 (eleven years ago) link

Ya this was not good. Very insubstantial. I liked the puppet designs but the conceit as a whole didn't rly work and something was off about them in combination with the voices.

I thought the songs as songs were alright but they kinda went for long stretches without bothering to have anything resembling a joke? It seemed odd.

a similar stunt failed to work with a cow (Merdeyeux), Friday, 12 April 2013 17:48 (eleven years ago) link

lmbo @ how bad this show has become.

Clay, Friday, 12 April 2013 23:59 (eleven years ago) link

"puppet musical episode"

infirm neophytic child (zachlyon), Saturday, 13 April 2013 07:32 (eleven years ago) link

I actually really enjoyed this, I've enjoyed the last three really.

I'm assuming we're at the point in the series where Chevy just checks out completely? Were they supposed to have left Pierce in the woods?

Matt DC, Saturday, 13 April 2013 12:19 (eleven years ago) link

Turned this one off halfway through

gentle german fatherly voice (President Keyes), Saturday, 13 April 2013 14:02 (eleven years ago) link

Ugh, that episode was all kinds of dreadful. Pastiching something lame like Glee leads to something else lame but which might be entertaining to some people who have that sense of humour. But pastiching something really good (Muppet musical numbers are GREAT) and doing it so lifelessly with no jokes... that's just not going to be any fun for anyone.

you made me the queef of your fart (edwardo), Saturday, 13 April 2013 14:14 (eleven years ago) link

I really really really hate singing in sitcoms except when it is being used to rain on Glee's parade.

Hurry Up, Tell 'Em They're Dreaming (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 13 April 2013 14:34 (eleven years ago) link

I have an extremely low tolerance for musicals but a pretty high tolerance for puppets, im hoping i can make it through this.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 13 April 2013 16:48 (eleven years ago) link

according to some rando commenter on avclub who might not be trustworthy, chevy agreed to record his lines for this ep as part of his deal to walk early, and this was the very last episode they filmed because of the technical complexity.

a sentimental knife (reddening), Saturday, 13 April 2013 17:17 (eleven years ago) link

mm that's what i assumed to be the case. i recall that he only missed one episode and it wasn't the finale.

the kind of man who best draws girls' eyeballs (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 13 April 2013 17:50 (eleven years ago) link

In the 'Times Higher Education' this week there's a big picture which is a still from that 's critical analysis of Who's the Boss ep of Community

kinder, Tuesday, 16 April 2013 12:40 (eleven years ago) link

I thought the songs in this were fine, it was just incredibly saccharine and most of their terrible secrets weren't actually terrible, except of course for the black people, which fuck that

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Tuesday, 16 April 2013 13:17 (eleven years ago) link

Just watched it. I think it was better than most of s4 so far but still a ways from their peak. I liked the puppet designs and thought the songs were fine but, yeah, it was a bit insubstantial. I liked a lot of the jokes though!

I actually didn't completely understand Troy's secret. He burned down Greendale? That doesn't seem to make sense. I don't think it's necessarily important whether the secrets were legitimately terrible: they were all things that those characters would be embarrassed about. And Annie's was pretty appalling imo!

I think where the episode fell a bit short was in how cheaply the resolution was earned, e.g. Shirley confesses to a pretty serious lapse and everyone just shrugs it off with no discussion or advice.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 18 April 2013 03:47 (eleven years ago) link

I was going to say that the songs and singing might have been better than some of those in the Glee parody but at least I could remember those instantly. I can't remember any of these songs after watching the episode.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 18 April 2013 03:48 (eleven years ago) link

This was not bad, cos maybe my memory is screwy or something, but i remember them only singing 1 or 2 songs at most.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 18 April 2013 14:31 (eleven years ago) link

there was the original adventure song, the boarding the hot-air balloon song, the Jason Alexander song, and the shameful secrets song

fuck if I remember how any of them went tho

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Thursday, 18 April 2013 14:33 (eleven years ago) link

except for Chevy croaking about humping Eartha Kitt, which I wish I could forget

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Thursday, 18 April 2013 14:33 (eleven years ago) link

Wait was Jason Alexander the woodsman who gives them psychedelics?

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 18 April 2013 14:36 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah.

Also, Britta is suddenly able to sing competently.

Pope Frank is the messenger of your doom (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 18 April 2013 14:39 (eleven years ago) link

Her singing wasn't terrible in "Abed's Uncontrollable Christmas" or even at the very end of "Regional Holiday Music".

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:39 (eleven years ago) link

And she was making shit up on the spot when she had to sub for Abed in the Christmas pageant.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:40 (eleven years ago) link

True. I'm probably just looking for more holes because of how much I hated the songs in this episode.

Pope Frank is the messenger of your doom (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 18 April 2013 16:49 (eleven years ago) link

still amused by pierce's twitter, which is now 99% him retweeting rob schneider's awful tweets and saying "so true."

a sentimental knife (reddening), Thursday, 18 April 2013 22:59 (eleven years ago) link

I also didn't like that they did a bloopers reel instead of a tag like they used to do. There were some really classic tag moments!

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 19 April 2013 00:54 (eleven years ago) link

I thought the xmas party episode last night was the first one that felt like a S01-S03 quality episode, even though I've not been as harsh a judge as others in this thread.

"I copied and pasted the lyrics to 'War, what is it good for'."
"Good God, ...!"

Johnny Fever, Friday, 19 April 2013 19:39 (eleven years ago) link

That was the only line I really liked. The rest of it made me choke on my own rage.

Pope Frank is the messenger of your doom (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 19 April 2013 19:43 (eleven years ago) link

I liked the Dean talking about Rizzoli & Isles. Otherwise meh.

Sheela-Tubb-Mann, You Real Know-It-All (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 19 April 2013 20:21 (eleven years ago) link

3:30 in and I hate it so far. (The hate started with Annie decorating Jeff's apartment. NOT a fan of this new side of her that's coming out this season.) Inviting Cornwallis to the party isn't helping. I'll watch the rest though. I'll be a little sad if they actually do a bad Christmas episode.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 19 April 2013 23:42 (eleven years ago) link

Weird. I guess I'm the only person who liked this one.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 19 April 2013 23:44 (eleven years ago) link

It's getting better.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 19 April 2013 23:56 (eleven years ago) link

i liked this one too. essentially a bottle episode, wasn't it?

a sentimental knife (reddening), Saturday, 20 April 2013 05:53 (eleven years ago) link

That had the air of being hastily rewritten due to no Chevy. A group dynamic episode without the whole group there doesn't really work. Needed more Dean as well.

The history teacher is rubbish.

Matt DC, Saturday, 20 April 2013 19:04 (eleven years ago) link

'a human version of Scrooge McDuck' made me lol. The rest was weird :(

kinder, Saturday, 20 April 2013 21:39 (eleven years ago) link

decided to check out one for the first time in a while and it was the puppet episode due to a few friends of mine raving about it. shit was unwatchable, what the fuck is going on?

ta-nehisi goatse (fadanuf4erybody), Saturday, 20 April 2013 21:46 (eleven years ago) link

show was amazing for 3 years. showrunner was fired. now the show sucks.

Clay, Saturday, 20 April 2013 21:49 (eleven years ago) link

Needed more Dean as well.

One more whine: the Dean's crush on Jeff was funnier when it was just something that came up now and then and was not actually a central part of the show.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 21 April 2013 00:53 (eleven years ago) link

i was sick of the episodes-about-the-strength-of-the-group-and-their-amazing-friendship thing before this season, this isn't helping, though i can't blame them for relying on it

episode was alright except for not having any jokes

infirm neophytic child (zachlyon), Sunday, 21 April 2013 08:43 (eleven years ago) link

well troy's "he knows my name" made me chuckle

infirm neophytic child (zachlyon), Sunday, 21 April 2013 08:43 (eleven years ago) link

wtf is with abed, holy balls they have no idea what to do with him anymore

"abed has a problem with pop culture references, also you have to mention vague autism problems every once in a while" <-- is how i'd cynically describe S1-S3 abed, never realized how much more there was to him before until they actually turned him into that description

infirm neophytic child (zachlyon), Sunday, 21 April 2013 08:46 (eleven years ago) link

he's just a student of human character with a buttload of self-esteem.

― j., Saturday, December 4, 2010 10:36 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

j., Sunday, 21 April 2013 09:29 (eleven years ago) link

GREAT character in s1-2 imo. He was already slipping into self-parody at times in s3.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 21 April 2013 12:55 (eleven years ago) link

Troy was a better Abed than Abed was Troy, and it was a little frustrating that they essentially shoehorned Troy and Britta's whole relationship into one episode (especially considering it wasn't even addressed, much less acknowledged, in most of this season's episodes). But I dug it, and laughed through most of it (especially the Dean "switching" with Jeff, and needling him with "when Jeff was inside me").

Pope Frank is the messenger of your doom (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 26 April 2013 13:51 (ten years ago) link

The Dean has been really criminally under-used in this season, especially given he's living next door to Jeff. Given Jim Rash carries even mediocre lines better than pretty much anyone you'd think they'd have done more with him.

Matt DC, Friday, 26 April 2013 14:02 (ten years ago) link

I loved the first season, liked the second and third, haven't watched the fourth at all - should I bother?

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 26 April 2013 14:02 (ten years ago) link

No. "Herstory of Dance" is the only episode I've really liked.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 26 April 2013 14:05 (ten years ago) link

Watch the Physical Education Education episode, that's very funny and about as Season One as they get.

Best thing they've done with Abed this season was the episode with the two dances. I also liked Troy's reference to his "recent divorce", kinda harking back to the idea of Abed as having ridiculous offscreen adventures all the time.

Matt DC, Friday, 26 April 2013 14:07 (ten years ago) link

What kind of braindead asshole pretends to be a different person so that he can break up with his girlfriend by proxy? And what kind of woman is ok with that?

Studied keyboard mash (tsrobodo), Friday, 26 April 2013 20:37 (ten years ago) link

otm. Pierce might be the most likable person in this ep

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 26 April 2013 20:43 (ten years ago) link

pierce being abused and underutilized all season = me sympathizing with chevy chase and feeling he's been hard done by, which is not something i ever anticipated feeling.

this episode had some good jokes, but the troy/britta relationship has been so blankly written all season that the breakup felt like bad fanfic. annie's reaction to the dean pretending to be jeff was clownish, as was jeff's plot-driven anger and heartfelt resolution speech. i'm starting to feel the full disappointment of this show's decline, the good really isn't outweighing the bad anymore imo. jim rash was good, tho.

a sentimental knife (reddening), Friday, 26 April 2013 21:53 (ten years ago) link

I liked this episode! I did think the Troy-Abed body swap was a bit of a conceptual mess but rather than assholeness I think it's a nice point of progression for Troy, as someone who is basically childish realising that he is basically childish and trying to deal with it. Though I do wonder how Troy and Britta had managed to be together for a year under those conditions.

Even though it was a bit sitcom-y (I suppose I don't really know why I think that should be a bad thing though) Jeff persistently calling bullshit on all that was going on around him was funny, and Jim Rash's Dean-Jeff was great.

the kind of man who best draws girls' eyeballs (Merdeyeux), Friday, 26 April 2013 22:01 (ten years ago) link

I'm kinda wishing they'd made Jim Rash showrunner.

Sheela-Tubb-Mann, You Real Know-It-All (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 26 April 2013 22:04 (ten years ago) link

If it survives, he should definitely be a main writer. I gave up a couple of weeks in, but checked this out for his writing, and liked it a lot.

pierce being abused and underutilized all season = me sympathizing with chevy chase and feeling he's been hard done by,

Ganz and Bobrow have said that Pierce would be written into his own side-stories / lock himself into a trailer / etc so frequently, so that Chevy couldn't disrupt the whole week's work for the rest of the cast and crew.

just a dorp in the scrooge vault (sic), Saturday, 27 April 2013 00:56 (ten years ago) link

That was not a bad episode at all. If only the other writers this season knew how to use Jim Rash as well as Jim Rash.

you made me the queef of your fart (edwardo), Saturday, 27 April 2013 02:41 (ten years ago) link

dean-jeff was amazeballs. i liked the overall premise too -- playing with "doing a bit" vs. the not-so-hidden subtext in a decent way. felt very confident in the relationship of community to genre as something that's not just from outside, imposed by writers doing gags, but also drawn directly from how the characters operate within and relate to broader culture.

the throwaway gag about 'murder mystery dinner' or whatever was also cute.

Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Saturday, 27 April 2013 05:46 (ten years ago) link

That episode actually made me angry.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 April 2013 07:27 (ten years ago) link

Yeah the mistake was folding the body swap in with the breakup. It was funny enough in its own right, but Troy and Britta as a couple has never worked in any context.

Troy doing Abed was much funnier than Abed doing Troy, which I put down to writing as much as performance. Abed did a much better Troy in the gay disco episode. The Dean doing Jeff was amazing though.

Matt DC, Saturday, 27 April 2013 09:31 (ten years ago) link

Character growth (or whatever it is) needs to be more than everyone realizing they are friends and they have to stick together at the end of every episode.

The Troy/Abed/Britta thing is super disturbing. Maybe Britta got involved in that mess in the first place because she knew there would be a bunch of chances to flex her psychiatric skills.

I'm putting it down as weak writing, which yes has been popping up over the course of the show. It is still a funny show, I still like the characters (as characters, not as fictional people), etc. But I can't tell sometimes if the recent stories are just dumb or MEANT to seem dumb because meta. No, it's the former.

For instance, Annie and Shirley are super smart nerdy Valedictorians, yet they spend this whole episode not doing their work and trying (in vain) way harder to get the rest of the study group to do the work for them. Pierce's bit at the end shows how that assignment wasn't supposed to be necessarily a group project, cos he did all the work and they are all saved and get good grades. Again i guess you can argue Annie and Shirley aren't really super smart, it's a Community College LOL, dumb old Leonard was Valedictorian ahead of them, etc. but again it's just more difficult to take those characters or their arcs seriously.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 27 April 2013 15:25 (ten years ago) link

Character growth (or whatever it is) needs to be more than everyone realizing they are friends and they have to stick together at the end of every episode.

Especially when there's so little to build up to it or back it up, which was related to what I was getting at re the puppet episode. Troy's explanation of how he weaselled out of breaking up a relationship that we barely saw any evidence of inspired that Winger speech about commitment? Really? And Britta's totally OK with it? The stories weren't so lame before.

And you're right about Annie and Shirley. Annie used to have a lot of integrity about work and studying! It's getting really hard to care about her character.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 April 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link

"is related"

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 April 2013 18:26 (ten years ago) link

I don't even think Big Bang Theory or Modern Family get this weak about basic writing.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 April 2013 18:34 (ten years ago) link

xp ime valedictorian has never been "the smartest" or really the most anything, it's always been the person who really wants to be valedictorian and has spent their entire time in school primping up their credentials, so that part makes sense to me

infirm neophytic child (zachlyon), Saturday, 27 April 2013 19:24 (ten years ago) link

no, valedictorian is the person with the highest gpa? which just sort of happens if you work hard to get good grades?

Chuck E was a hero to most (s.clover), Saturday, 27 April 2013 19:26 (ten years ago) link

They keep bringing up that they got a C+ on that last thing.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 27 April 2013 19:30 (ten years ago) link

fuck this show -- *totally* unrealistic portrayal of community college grade point averages

mookieproof, Saturday, 27 April 2013 19:40 (ten years ago) link

That's not anyone's criticism, though.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 April 2013 19:51 (ten years ago) link

This was mostly funny, although it's super telling that Abed impersonating Troy had more chemistry with Britta than actual Troy.

Dean was episode MVP

Call me at **BITCOIN (DJP), Saturday, 27 April 2013 20:14 (ten years ago) link

xp yeah but highest gpa doesn't mean smartest

infirm neophytic child (zachlyon), Saturday, 27 April 2013 21:44 (ten years ago) link

is that the normal standard/definition for valedictorian? i always thought it involved an application process and stuff

infirm neophytic child (zachlyon), Saturday, 27 April 2013 21:46 (ten years ago) link

Dean was episode MVP

It was a really good acting performance but I'm pretty burned out on his obsession with Jeff - and this was an especially weird way to express it.

xp yeah but highest gpa doesn't mean smartest

It doesn't have to but Annie's character was previously established as smart, hard-working, and pretty honest.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 April 2013 22:43 (ten years ago) link

I swear that episode last night was very reminiscent of an episode of My Little Pony. This is what happens when I watch an episode of Community now.

The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Friday, 3 May 2013 13:08 (ten years ago) link

I had a hamburger the other day and suddenly I'm not cold all the time.

viacom dios, Saturday, 4 May 2013 05:09 (ten years ago) link

that one was sort of vintage. i'm getting used to laughing once per episode.

infirm neophytic child (zachlyon), Saturday, 4 May 2013 05:23 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, one real banger per ep this season. Yogurts-burgh is up there, too.

viacom dios, Saturday, 4 May 2013 05:29 (ten years ago) link

They gave Britta a Kieslowski reference.

Sheela-Tubb-Mann, You Real Know-It-All (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 4 May 2013 07:49 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, that was good. She totally Britta'd the pronunciation.

viacom dios, Saturday, 4 May 2013 07:57 (ten years ago) link

Thought the concept was pretty good but it wasn't funny enough. Also you get the feeling that old Community would have done more to make the Troy and Annie origin stories tie in with the others a bit more.

Also the substitute Pierce was lame.

Matt DC, Saturday, 4 May 2013 17:19 (ten years ago) link

Incidentally I hope Chang's "they'd give a degree to a monkey" line was foreshadowing the season actually ends with Annie's Boobs graduating from Greendale.

Matt DC, Saturday, 4 May 2013 17:20 (ten years ago) link

rip

mookieproof, Friday, 10 May 2013 03:13 (ten years ago) link

Last night's was...ok. About as decent (if sometimes forced) a wrapup as you could expect at this point. It was written and directed by Harmon-era vets (Ganz and Shapeero), which probably accounts for most of the jokes landing, even if going back to the multiple-timelines well was a bit cheap.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 10 May 2013 13:31 (ten years ago) link

I'm assuming they didn't announce cancellation yesterday because the finale hadn't yet aired, but if this was being renewed it probably would have been announced along with Parks & Rec

mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Friday, 10 May 2013 13:41 (ten years ago) link

This was the dumbest fucking thing

When Abed announced that none of it was real and it was all happening in Jeff's head I went "oh thank god" because I really couldn't take it anymore, and then they had fucking "6 seasons and a movie" written on the chalkboard in the graduation scene and I wanted to scream "nooooooooo"

Watching that felt like being forced to watch how much someone else is enjoying jacking off

far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Friday, 10 May 2013 13:52 (ten years ago) link

6 seasons and a movie is literally the most annoying meme ever propagated via television

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Friday, 10 May 2013 13:55 (ten years ago) link

otm. Like I love Arrested Development to death, I've rewatched those three seasons over and over so many times it's ridiculous. But there's really no way you could do 6 seasons and a movie of THAT show and not have a ton of duds in there.

I also really like when bands play a song live and it's a minute or 30 seconds long, then they stop and immediately go into the next one, and it's also a minute long.

Haven't watched this ep, but read the AV Club eulogy last night. As long as it makes me laugh as much as usual it's fine w me.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 May 2013 14:00 (ten years ago) link

I laughed exactly once

far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Friday, 10 May 2013 14:05 (ten years ago) link

And it's not even that I require every episode of every sitcom to be a nonstop laugh riot; this particular episode was a gigantic pile of irredeemable bullshit top to bottom with little humor, no emotional resonance, and a fuckton of "Ooh look remember this? You liked this! You liked this, too! The Cape, lol! Annie is sexy! Let's get Jeff naked! Wooooooooo oh shit we forgot to write an episode"

far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Friday, 10 May 2013 14:08 (ten years ago) link

It was the Community Farewell Tour. They played all the hits, the performances were spirited, got to see them one last time, and hopefully that's the end of it.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Friday, 10 May 2013 14:18 (ten years ago) link

The show went out as the gigantic animated GIF it aspired to be, having abandoned plots and dialogue and likeability for the most part.

you made me the queef of your fart (edwardo), Friday, 10 May 2013 14:20 (ten years ago) link

Last week's episode ends with Chang signing on for actual friendship and the City College dean laughing maniacally about an alternate plan...except whoops! We only have 30 minutes of season left, so forget you ever saw that. No time to carry that story out.

I really wanted the (likely) final episode to be a good and make me laugh a lot, but tbh it's probably fitting that it was mostly terrible and not very funny.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 10 May 2013 14:23 (ten years ago) link

I really didn't like the sound design for evil Troy's voice.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 May 2013 14:27 (ten years ago) link

In retrospect I feel like they rang a bell with Remedial Chaos Theory that ended up destroying the show

far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Friday, 10 May 2013 18:49 (ten years ago) link

I liked that episode but, yeah, I've groaned inwardly any time they referenced it since then.

The descriptions of the last two episodes have not inspired me to check them out.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 10 May 2013 18:53 (ten years ago) link

Bring on an Alison Brie sitcom!

Sheela-Tubb-Mann, You Real Know-It-All (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 10 May 2013 18:58 (ten years ago) link

ha ha haaaa they renewed this jfc

a sentimental knife (reddening), Saturday, 11 May 2013 00:18 (ten years ago) link

and then cancelled Goon? I thought that was a "hit"

mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 May 2013 00:22 (ten years ago) link

I never thought I'd be annoyed by news of a Community renewal, but it should be put down like Old Yeller.

The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Saturday, 11 May 2013 00:29 (ten years ago) link

def needs to be taken to the back of the woodshed

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 May 2013 00:35 (ten years ago) link

My main reason for half-wanting it to be renewed is so that I can still see Yvette Nicole Brown on my tee vee, because I fear she'd be dropped back down to working bit parts and Nickelodeon/Disney shows and I <3 her.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 11 May 2013 00:35 (ten years ago) link

oh wait I see it's already been reported. might skip next year but probably won't be able to help myself.

Clay, Saturday, 11 May 2013 00:43 (ten years ago) link

Christ, I'm actually pissed about its renewal. There's nothing left in this show to care about.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 11 May 2013 00:53 (ten years ago) link

"mistress in a lifetime movie" gag was a+

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Saturday, 11 May 2013 00:54 (ten years ago) link

goon's ratings started out really high and ended really, really low, so i guess that's not too surprising. nbc also canceled the new normal, whitney, and guys with kids, so unless i'm mistaken parks and rec and community are the only returning nbc comedies next year (???). what a world.

a sentimental knife (reddening), Saturday, 11 May 2013 01:07 (ten years ago) link

i think i am the only person that liked whitney

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Saturday, 11 May 2013 01:08 (ten years ago) link

and even then i liked it for trying.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Saturday, 11 May 2013 01:08 (ten years ago) link

I will watch an episode next year if Jim Rash writes it again

(I will watch six if he writes six)

charli.xlsx (sic), Saturday, 11 May 2013 01:17 (ten years ago) link

I'm happy to watch subpar Communitu rather than none at all. Still better than According to Jim or whatever other crap is out there.

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Saturday, 11 May 2013 01:22 (ten years ago) link

This current incarnation of Community is much, much worse than The Big Bang Theory

far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Saturday, 11 May 2013 01:37 (ten years ago) link

Amazing how one mindbogglingly terrible episode can ruin a season

far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Saturday, 11 May 2013 01:38 (ten years ago) link

for some reason I didn't think this episode was too bad. It was certainly a conceptual mess but some of the other better episodes this season were too, I guess that's something I can overlook if it holds together in other ways (mainly being funny regularly enough), which I think this one did for the most part. Though that doesn't give me any idea why they'd want to continue with it, I'll still watch but I can't foresee anything but me coming ever more to resent that it still exists and still commands some of my attention.

ohmigud (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 11 May 2013 02:02 (ten years ago) link

holy shit NBC is so pathetic

infirm neophytic child (zachlyon), Saturday, 11 May 2013 02:03 (ten years ago) link

It would be funny if they just keep making a new excuse every episode for why Pierce isn't present instead of properly writing him out.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 11 May 2013 02:14 (ten years ago) link

Wow, I'm really disappointed that this is being renewed. Seriously, just allow it to salvage some dignity.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 May 2013 02:28 (ten years ago) link

(╯︵╰,) this is the darkest timeline (╯︵╰,)

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Saturday, 11 May 2013 02:32 (ten years ago) link

I've been moving to the pov that s1 was the strongest overall, after the pilot. I think I might get the most lols from it + I think it's the only season where every element in the show worked and worked together. Despite the brilliant ideas in s2, you could already see them straining with Chang's and Pierce's characters.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 May 2013 02:36 (ten years ago) link

season 1 is the funniest overall, 2 had the big conceptual eps but there are definite seeds of the reddit/tumblr-baiting fanwank that really flourished in the third season. (and i mean if you're into that, that's cool, but that shit kinda grates. and the third season also somehow manages to waste both john goodman AND omar!)

kiss me, son of based god (fadanuf4erybody), Saturday, 11 May 2013 02:48 (ten years ago) link

i'm feeling pretty solid now about dropping out after s3.

i wonder if they've been keeping any cast loyalty by promising them more (better) work down the road, development deals. (not that many early-career actors would give up paying work just because it kind of sucked.) or if nbc is bringing it back just to prove themselves right.

j., Saturday, 11 May 2013 07:38 (ten years ago) link

Season 1 is virtually flawless I think, although S2 maybe has higher highs - the conspiracy thriller episode is probably my all-time favourite.

S1 > S2 >> first part of S3 >>> second part of S3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> S4.

Gonna make a bold prediction and suggest that S5 will be funnier than the fourth.

One kinda sad thing was seeing the assorted tertiary characters all there for Jeff's graduation and realising the extent to which the Community universe has shrunk over the last couple of years.

Matt DC, Saturday, 11 May 2013 10:58 (ten years ago) link

community mostly got renewed cuz nbc wanted some of the new sony pilots and sony wants that guaranteed syndication $.

da croupier, Saturday, 11 May 2013 12:42 (ten years ago) link

I figured it was probably related to syndication. Which is why you'll probably hear no complaints from any of the actors, syndication money is pretty good.

The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Saturday, 11 May 2013 13:49 (ten years ago) link

not that many early-career actors would give up paying work just because it kind of sucked

I'm sure the work experience itself is still decent, maybe even less stressful without Harmon.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 May 2013 13:54 (ten years ago) link

Anyway, as is usual regarding this show, Matt DC is OTM here:

Season 1 is virtually flawless I think, although S2 maybe has higher highs - the conspiracy thriller episode is probably my all-time favourite.

S1 > S2 >> first part of S3 >>> second part of S3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> S4.

The best conceptual episodes from S2 are my favourites: Christmas, D&D, conspiracy.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 May 2013 13:55 (ten years ago) link

I can't really pick a favorite, I think I like about an equal amount of episodes from seasons 1-3. I'm going to start pretending the show ended then.

The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Saturday, 11 May 2013 14:01 (ten years ago) link

I'm sure the work experience itself is still decent, maybe even less stressful without Harmon.

Alison Brie came close to talking shit about Harmon on WTF this week: basically, the scripts were always late, "That's not how you run a tv show."

mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 May 2013 14:01 (ten years ago) link

If she wants to argue that the end results were better when things ran more smoothly, more power to her.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 11 May 2013 14:03 (ten years ago) link

Her other experience in television is Mad Men, Weiner seems like the sort who wouldn't (or wouldn't let any of his writers) turn in anything late. xp

The last of the famous international Greyjoys (Nicole), Saturday, 11 May 2013 14:10 (ten years ago) link

Anyone else get the feeling that Chevy wasn't even in the same room as the others for most of this episode? Pierce was either the only person in the shot or filmed from behind. The exception being when he was sitting next to Troy in the study room and I'm pretty sure that was two images next to each other.

Matt DC, Saturday, 11 May 2013 14:31 (ten years ago) link

Hologram Pierce

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 11 May 2013 14:34 (ten years ago) link

heard that harmon was pretty checked out and awol during s3 - no doubt due in part to network note bullshit, but not shocked that he might have been less than profesh

da croupier, Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:13 (ten years ago) link

i mean they don't fire you JUST because you're determined to blow minds

da croupier, Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:14 (ten years ago) link

Harmon has admitted himself that he is 'hard to work with'. He has diagnosed himself with asbergers, and is a functional alcoholic. I mean, the show was amazing, but I can't be surprised that Sony didn't want to work with him. I think he would function better on cable, but he seems to want to try and create a broad hit, which just seems weird.

Frederik B, Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:19 (ten years ago) link

last season nbc was super psyched about their new sitcoms to the point where it looked like it might be the end of all their cult thursday shows. Now, everything is canceled except for two of the cult thursday shows. a+

da croupier, Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:24 (ten years ago) link

xxxpost whoops I meant Gillian Jacobs, not Alison Brie

mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:30 (ten years ago) link

i britta-ed that one

mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:32 (ten years ago) link

He has diagnosed himself with asbergers

Unless he's been actually diagnosed this is probably bullshit.

Matt DC, Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:32 (ten years ago) link

my god that Deadline article is so dumb.

mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:36 (ten years ago) link

Unless he's been actually diagnosed this is probably bullshit.

I completely agree but I'm fairly sceptical of actual 'diagnoses' of things like this as well.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:50 (ten years ago) link

the extent of his self diagnosis was that people started telling him that Abed surely had Aspberger's and he thought, well a lot of Abed's quirks are based on my own, therefore I must also have it.

mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:52 (ten years ago) link

Well, no, he looked it up on the internet and took some tests and stuff. Which is still probably bullshit.

Frederik B, Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:58 (ten years ago) link

god do people not understand what doctors are for

j., Saturday, 11 May 2013 20:13 (ten years ago) link

It's possible that the people telling you about this on ILX are not registered doctors who are accurately reporting Harmon's actual words

charli.xlsx (sic), Saturday, 11 May 2013 23:25 (ten years ago) link

heard that harmon was pretty checked out and awol during s3

The writers' room's tumblr was from S3 wasn't it? Or might have just been when I saw it.

Anyway, ppl who worked on S3 have said that 50-85% of another writer's script could be written by Harmon, and the immediate collapse of tone & pace in S4 indicates that he was still present in the editing bay right through S3.

charli.xlsx (sic), Saturday, 11 May 2013 23:30 (ten years ago) link

i know he's famous for doing rewriting but I've heard some secondhand chat about him being less predictable and waaaaay behind schedule in s3. while obviously there's a big shift between s3 and s4, s3's patchiness/clumsiness compared to s2 indicates something too.

da croupier, Sunday, 12 May 2013 03:48 (ten years ago) link

meant less reliable not predictable

da croupier, Sunday, 12 May 2013 03:52 (ten years ago) link

looks like i'm not the only one to hear this

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/11/could-dan-harmon-return-to-community-for-season-5

There are definitely reasons to be skeptical about this, one being that Sony and NBC letting Harmon go was due to many factors, with his feud with Chase just one – one that was notable and got lots of press, but at the most was likely a straw that broke the camel’s aspect back more than the central issue, and even that may be an overstatement. In fact, long before the Chase issues, Harmon was said by many to have frequently gone over budget and both he and his writing staff have spoken openly in the time since he’s left about how he almost never had a completed script ready on schedule, making it very difficult for production on a basic level. On top of that, it’s well known (and acknowledged by Harmon) that he was prone to flat out ignoring studio and network notes, something that might make him a hero to fans, but is not desired by those in charge.

da croupier, Sunday, 12 May 2013 03:57 (ten years ago) link

that doesn't mean "awol" though, it's more because he wouldn't let something go in order to get the whole thing done

Harmon was said by many to have frequently gone over budget

he's said this himself, and he used to put his own pay back into the production at times

charli.xlsx (sic), Sunday, 12 May 2013 07:35 (ten years ago) link

After staying away from the series at first for fear of it being some horrific mess that would spoil my memories of what came before, I have to say that season 4 really didn't seem all that awful to me. Some missteps, sure, and it didn't have the same spark as before, but it wasn't unwatchable. And it sure as hell wasn't as bad as The Big Bang Theory.

media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Sunday, 12 May 2013 11:24 (ten years ago) link

i would have preferred it to be a horrific mess rather than bland and unfunny

mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Sunday, 12 May 2013 11:43 (ten years ago) link

This was still WAY better than Big Bang Theory

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 12 May 2013 15:27 (ten years ago) link

Y'all are high

far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Sunday, 12 May 2013 15:28 (ten years ago) link

Maybe you're low?

media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Sunday, 12 May 2013 17:49 (ten years ago) link

adam's right

i'm with the attitude that even a mediocre Community is better than most sitcoms and still enjoyable. also agree with the prediction that season 5 will be better than season 4, there were a lot of obvious transitional pains going on with this season, not to mention the horrific scheduling mishaps which were made worse when it seemed like half the episodes were holiday-based

Nhex, Sunday, 12 May 2013 18:02 (ten years ago) link

i don't really gaf if a show airs things when it's seasonally appropriate. pretty much every show on cable airs holiday/seasonally specific episodes at the 'wrong' time of the year and it's not like it matters to me at all when i'm watching.

seanpennderizer (some dude), Sunday, 12 May 2013 18:28 (ten years ago) link

one episode isn't that noticeable, but we only had 13 eps this season so the the abrupt jumps from halloween > thanksgiving > christmas during february-april was really weird to me

Nhex, Sunday, 12 May 2013 18:33 (ten years ago) link

i think most cable shows wouldn't do that many holiday episodes in one season either for that reason

Nhex, Sunday, 12 May 2013 18:34 (ten years ago) link

The first half of Mad Men season four was just holiday episodes. And it was awesome!

Frederik B, Sunday, 12 May 2013 18:37 (ten years ago) link

30 rock had a holiday episode themed season which was awesome.

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Sunday, 12 May 2013 18:54 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

so uh Dan Harmon was apparently offered his job back?

thot police (fadanuf4erybody), Monday, 27 May 2013 23:38 (ten years ago) link

What?

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 27 May 2013 23:40 (ten years ago) link

lol

they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 27 May 2013 23:48 (ten years ago) link

couple folks were talking about it on twitter, apparently he brought it up at one of his Harmontown things

thot police (fadanuf4erybody), Monday, 27 May 2013 23:49 (ten years ago) link

would be happy if that happened, although suspicious that he and/or the stanbase would find some way to fuck it up

some dude, Monday, 27 May 2013 23:50 (ten years ago) link

He admitted he'd been asked, but apparently said he'd only return if Chevy did too. Not sure which half of that (or if all of it) is the joke.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 27 May 2013 23:50 (ten years ago) link

i think we are being deprived of an epic Pierce death scene tbh

some dude, Monday, 27 May 2013 23:53 (ten years ago) link

He said he'd been approached but only as part of a ploy to get a new season okayed, and now that that's happened the deal is off the table.

mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Monday, 27 May 2013 23:54 (ten years ago) link

How are they justifying a fifth season? Did they all get held back a year?

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 00:17 (ten years ago) link

feel like people are sweating the 'logic' of that too much. it's not remotely as glaring as high school shows full of 20somethings or the Korean War lasting 11 years.

some dude, Tuesday, 28 May 2013 00:24 (ten years ago) link

jeff and pierce are the only ones that graduated

ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 00:27 (ten years ago) link

I'm not necessarily on board with every situation like that either BUT if the linear passage of time is not actually part of the reality of the show, I don't have much of a problem with it. With Community, they were constantly counting the years until graduation etc so it does seem glaring.

xpost

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 00:29 (ten years ago) link

I don't even know if "glaring" is the right word: it seems like a question that's at least worth asking.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 00:31 (ten years ago) link

I mean, Annie's and Shirley's competition to be valedictorian is one of the things that actually stands out in my memory about what I saw of s4.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 00:33 (ten years ago) link

the whole idea of "graduating" in four years from a community college, or a community college where people live in dorms, and all other kinds of thing.... i mean this show was not built with verisimilitude in mind, let's put it that way

it's like they want to make liberal-arts-college jokes AND community-college jokes so they just kind of combine the two (nonsensically, but in a way that sets up enough good jokes that nobody really cares)

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 02:01 (ten years ago) link

i became jamaican for a moment here

"all other kinds of t'ing, y'know"

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 02:01 (ten years ago) link

i mean this show was not built with verisimilitude in mind, let's put it that way

OK, but they had already established that within the fantasy-world of the show, these students happen to attend a community college where they graduate after four years. The characters had been planning for this and story lines were built around this premise. Anyway, maybe zachlyon was actually answering my question. I thought he was joking, initially.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 03:24 (ten years ago) link

But tbf I haven't even watched the last few episodes and kind of hated s4 so maybe I am just being a flippant asshole after all? Not like I'm eager for the next season either way.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 03:28 (ten years ago) link

no, i was answering but maybe i'm wrong? i didn't really catch all the intricacies of the graduation statuses of season 4 on account of my not caring at all. i was under the impression that they didn't all graduate but then i'm not sure why shirley and annie had the whole valedictorian storyline at this point

ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 04:14 (ten years ago) link

if i interpret the events correctly, as we saw a short season 4, it ended after 1 semester instead of 2 with Jeff graduating early - season 5 could just be the following, final semester for troy, annie, britta and shirley

Nhex, Tuesday, 28 May 2013 04:15 (ten years ago) link

I think that's right, the last episode was perhaps the start of semester 2, with some meta-joke presumably about the wonky airdates saying that it was "winter-summer" semester having finished the "autumn-spring" semester.

Bob Bunsen (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 04:22 (ten years ago) link

ok but if that's the case why the big deal with the valedictorian storyline if there's a whole other semester? it seemed at the end like it was all concluded. that was just dumb.

ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 04:36 (ten years ago) link

The other characters could stay at the school longer, depending on when they selected a major. And even then they coould stay longer due to red tape and such. I used to work in the RTVB department at a CC, where the main degree was 2 1/2 year, but the joke among us was it really took at least 3 because you couldn't take the classes in the suggested degree order (due to cancellations, classes not being offered freaquently enough etc).

Mr. Mojo Readin' (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 05:04 (ten years ago) link

community colleges offer two-year degrees y'all, don't be holding this to real-life standards

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 05:09 (ten years ago) link

many offer four but don't let that stop you

balls, Tuesday, 28 May 2013 05:10 (ten years ago) link

really? i thought the two-year idea was built into the notion of "community college"...

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 12:19 (ten years ago) link

wikipedia:

In the United States, community colleges, sometimes called junior colleges, technical colleges, or city colleges, are primarily two-year public institutions providing higher education and lower-level tertiary education, granting certificates, diplomas, and associate's degrees. Many also offer continuing and adult education.
After graduating from a community college, some students transfer to a four-year liberal arts college or university for two to three years to complete a bachelor's degree.
Before the 1970s, community colleges in the United States were more commonly referred to as junior colleges, and that term is still used at some institutions. However, the term "junior college" has evolved to describe private two-year institutions, whereas the term "community college" has evolved to describe publicly funded two-year institutions. The name derives from the fact that community colleges primarily attract and accept students from the local community, and are often supported by local tax revenue.
Comprehensive community colleges
Many schools have evolved into and adapted the term comprehensive to describe their institutions. These schools typically offer six facets of education:
Transfer education – The traditional two-year student who will then transfer to a four-year institution to pursue a BS/BA degree.
Career education – The traditional two-year student that will graduate with an Associate Degree and directly enter the workforce.
Developmental – Remedial education for high school graduates who are not academically ready to enroll in college-level courses.
Continuing – Non-Credit courses offered to the community for personal development and interest.
Industry training – Contracted training and education wherein a local company pays the college to provide specific training or courses for their employees.
eLearning - Distance learning occurs online using one's computer and proctored exams. Pell grants and federal aid apply to eLearning also. For example, studying Spanish in an eLearning environment is possible when in another state and federal aid is applied to out-of-state tuition.
Within the transfer education category, comprehensive schools typically have articulation agreements in place that provide prearranged acceptance into specific four-year institutions.[5] At some community colleges, the partnering four-year institution teaches the third and fourth year courses at the community college location and thereby allows a student to obtain a four-year degree without having to physically move to the four-year school.
There is a number of institutions and organizations which provide community college research to inform practice and policy.
For background on U.S. community college libraries, see "Disposed to Consolidation and Innovation: Criteria for the Community College Specialization."

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 12:20 (ten years ago) link

i really wish they'd just go on taking classes and hanging out, never acknowledging that they've been there for how many seasons the show lasts. let the internet writhe in agony, if they don't acknowledge it, no one can make them!

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 May 2013 12:21 (ten years ago) link

On some level, sweating their collegiate career is like screaming "HOW IS BART STILL NINE?" at your tv

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 May 2013 12:22 (ten years ago) link

i really wish they'd just go on taking classes and hanging out, never acknowledging that they've been there for how many seasons the show lasts. let the internet writhe in agony, if they don't acknowledge it, no one can make them!

― da croupier, Tuesday, May 28, 2013 7:21 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i wouldn't mind that

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 12:22 (ten years ago) link

my problem isn't with the shows verisimilitude, it's with people trying to rationalize the show

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 12:23 (ten years ago) link

i mean i don't really have "a problem" at all

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 12:23 (ten years ago) link

if the show suggests there's some logic to it, and they do, then people are totally right to debate it and critique it if so driven. they should have just taken the "you get this is basically a cartoon, right?" out.

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 May 2013 12:25 (ten years ago) link

i probably wouldn't have said that circa s2 when i thought it had more potential though

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 May 2013 12:30 (ten years ago) link

I am at a private college that is very similar to a community college, and there have been students here that have been here forever. The group not graduating in 4 years doesn't bother me -- people going back to school rarely finish on time because of work/kids/etc.

Otoh, I've stopped watching Community so I don't know why I'm arguing about this.

...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 12:36 (ten years ago) link

i really doubt dan harmon is coming back, but if he did i would be fine with him calling all of last season a dream and just starting year four over again from scratch.

persona insufficiently memorable (reddening), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 12:43 (ten years ago) link

annie walks in on jeff in the shower

da croupier, Tuesday, 28 May 2013 13:01 (ten years ago) link

xp That would be ideal, just pretend s4 never happened, start from the end of s3.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Tuesday, 28 May 2013 13:42 (ten years ago) link

it can go on for TWENTY seasons if they just keep resetting the timeline, no biggie.

Bob Bunsen (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 13:44 (ten years ago) link

man i'm really hoping after the last episode that the word 'timeline' never comes up in this show again

some dude, Tuesday, 28 May 2013 13:46 (ten years ago) link

ha, i didn't realise i'd done that, i've been indoctrinated to the show's vocabulary. OMG WOULDNT IT BE AWESOME IF THE HAD A SEASON FOR EACH OF THE 7 TIMELINES OMG OMG~~~~~.

Bob Bunsen (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 13:53 (ten years ago) link

You should see the face that post made me make, it was pretty impressive.

they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 15:48 (ten years ago) link

I am imagining it was a bit like this:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/cf7573743c1b013d71eeb01a0f91af44/tumblr_mlw2yhPdy31qz8kcpo1_500.gif

...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 15:53 (ten years ago) link

I am doing a bad job of writing/posting today, never mind me.

...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 15:53 (ten years ago) link

Entire seasons should be genre seasons: a stop-motion season, a paintball season, a musical season...

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Tuesday, 28 May 2013 15:56 (ten years ago) link

this thread can turn into just a series of gifs of DJP's facial contortions.

Bob Bunsen (Merdeyeux), Tuesday, 28 May 2013 16:14 (ten years ago) link

https://twitter.com/RashisTVUgly/status/340878652621340672

looks like Harmon's back then.

Bob Bunsen (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 1 June 2013 17:14 (ten years ago) link

Now I have to consider watching this show again, which mean watching season 4.

Gukbe, Saturday, 1 June 2013 18:04 (ten years ago) link

It doesn't mean that at all.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 1 June 2013 18:08 (ten years ago) link

so rumor has it that joel mchale thought s4 was so shitty, he strongly lobbied for harmon back? bless him.

persona insufficiently memorable (reddening), Saturday, 1 June 2013 18:24 (ten years ago) link

The completist in me means it does, unfortunately. xpost.

Gukbe, Saturday, 1 June 2013 18:29 (ten years ago) link

it would be awesome if the ssn 5 premiere was a continuation of the ssn 3 finale with no mention of anything that happened in Ssn 4 ever, not even a "that was a crazy dream."

mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Saturday, 1 June 2013 20:49 (ten years ago) link

Professor Duncan in the shower.

Mr. Mojo Readin' (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 1 June 2013 20:54 (ten years ago) link

Harmon did mention a few weeks ago that he hasn't watched any of the season 4 episodes

mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Saturday, 1 June 2013 20:56 (ten years ago) link

what an unlikely turn of events! probably helped that Chevy is out

Nhex, Saturday, 1 June 2013 21:17 (ten years ago) link

it would be awesome if the ssn 5 premiere was a continuation of the ssn 3 finale with no mention of anything that happened in Ssn 4 ever, not even a "that was a crazy dream."

― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Saturday, June 1, 2013 4:49 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is really the only option.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Saturday, 1 June 2013 21:24 (ten years ago) link

bring chevy back

waterprick (stevie), Saturday, 1 June 2013 23:09 (ten years ago) link

(=^‥^=) This is not the darkest timeline (=^‥^=)

stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Sunday, 2 June 2013 01:18 (ten years ago) link

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/dan-harmon-says-hes-returning-to-community-20130601

Responding to the news of Harmon's return, Community star Gillian Jacobs offered some words of appreciation to the show's creator. "Welcome back, @danharmon!" she tweeted. "E Pluribus Anus!"

Hockey Drunk (kingfish), Sunday, 2 June 2013 08:32 (ten years ago) link

The completist in me means it does, unfortunately. xpost.

just watch Jim Rash's episode, really

¬╡▫ ▫╞⌠ (sic), Sunday, 2 June 2013 10:39 (ten years ago) link

http://www.avclub.com/articles/dan-harmon-may-record-his-reaction-to-communitys-f%2C98529/

One thing that will definitely be part of his more immediate plans: Finally watching season four, which Harmon still swears he hasn’t seen yet, and maybe even doing so as part of a special feature for the forthcoming DVDs. “Sony said they’re very interested in recording me watching it as a commentary track,” Harmon said, acknowledging that doing so “would move season four DVDs, for sure.”

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 3 June 2013 17:57 (ten years ago) link

my overall reaction is "SAVE THE DRAMA FOR ON-CAMERA"

I am certain whatever Harmon will do will be better than the end of S4 but I will actually be surprised if it's appreciably better than the good S4 episodes; this whole scenario brings out the screaming skeptic in me

Having said that, due to my pathological willingness to be entertained I'm sure I will greatly enjoy S5 and it will be hard NOT to see it as a "return to form" after that horrible season ender

they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 3 June 2013 18:16 (ten years ago) link

my overall reaction is "SAVE THE DRAMA FOR ON-CAMERA"

I stopped watching mid-way through season 4 but still feel Harmon doing a commentary on the season to be a very shitty thing to do.

...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Monday, 3 June 2013 18:19 (ten years ago) link

can't wait for a year from now when people start saying here "ah, season 4 really wasn't that bad, guys" (cause it wasn't!)

Nhex, Monday, 3 June 2013 18:21 (ten years ago) link

lol read my S4 posts in this thread, I'm already on that bandwagon aside from the fucking horrible season ender which was pandering horseshit

they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 3 June 2013 18:26 (ten years ago) link

I think my expectations were so flattened by the end that I could only see the finale in terms of whatever mild chuckles it brought. I chuckled a couple of times, so Yay! Good episode! The "it was all a dream" didn't even bother me at the time since they seemed way past caring by that point.

I would almost prefer Harmon never watch Season 4 or address its existence at all. Treat it like Squeeze or Cut The Crap; pretend it never happened.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Monday, 3 June 2013 18:58 (ten years ago) link

there were three episodes this season where I sat stonefaced with nary a lol; two of them were written by Megan Ganz

they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 3 June 2013 19:01 (ten years ago) link

(actually I did lol at Pierce's sex dungeon, so that's overstatement)

they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 3 June 2013 19:01 (ten years ago) link

In reality, not much of consequence did happen this season, aside from Jeff graduating. I can see Harmon wanting to declare that episode with jeff's dad non-canon and doing something better with that storyline

mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Monday, 3 June 2013 19:02 (ten years ago) link

I think I laughed once or twice during the Inspector Spacetime convention episode. It at least seemed like the least-shitty, even with that horrible Annie-playing-marriage subplot.

But I wonder if the writing credit goes to the writer who came up with the idea, or the one who actually wrote the bulk of it, or both, or neither (meaning, the crapulence may not be due to Ganz).

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Monday, 3 June 2013 19:06 (ten years ago) link

I think I laughed once or twice during the Inspector Spacetime convention episode. It at least seemed like the least-shitty, even with that horrible Annie-playing-marriage subplot.

That was probably my least favorite of the ones I watched from season 4.

...also i'm awesome (Nicole), Monday, 3 June 2013 19:11 (ten years ago) link

I thought the run from the Inspector Spacetime convention through the Sophie B Hawkins dance were all good (with "Herstory of Dance" and "Economics of Marine Biology" easily being the best of the season)

they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 3 June 2013 19:11 (ten years ago) link

"Herstory of Dance" was my one keeper from s4, although I didn't watch the last few. (Did the girl - Rachel? - ever come back??) Agree with Nicole: the Inspector Spacetime convention episode was kind of heartbreaking.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 3 June 2013 19:14 (ten years ago) link

I'm sure I remember Troy taking Abed aside and whispering something about his "recent divorce".

Matt DC, Monday, 3 June 2013 19:19 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, Herstory definitely the best of the season. And no, Rachel never came back. Seems like in s4 they either left loose ends lying around, or tied them up in the clumsiest manner imaginable (Jeff's dad, Troy & Britta's breakup).

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Monday, 3 June 2013 19:49 (ten years ago) link

abed never gets to keep a girlfriend longer than one episode

Nhex, Monday, 3 June 2013 20:20 (ten years ago) link

they need to make take steps to make Abed less Sheldon imo

some dude, Monday, 3 June 2013 20:55 (ten years ago) link

well right now one way is "don't let him have a girlfriend"

they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 3 June 2013 20:59 (ten years ago) link

well i haven't seen much recent BBT, did they finally break the asexuality barrier?

some dude, Monday, 3 June 2013 21:01 (ten years ago) link

he's been dating blossom for years

balls, Monday, 3 June 2013 21:05 (ten years ago) link

they haven't had sex yet though

balls, Monday, 3 June 2013 21:06 (ten years ago) link

...so glad i don't watch that show

Nhex, Monday, 3 June 2013 21:08 (ten years ago) link

it was much, much funnier than Community this year

they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 3 June 2013 21:09 (ten years ago) link

Ha, you keep defending s4 but you don't actually seem all that enthused about it.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 3 June 2013 21:13 (ten years ago) link

I have never hated BBT the way the rest of this board does

they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Monday, 3 June 2013 21:16 (ten years ago) link

But I wonder if the writing credit goes to the writer who came up with the idea, or the one who actually wrote the bulk of it, or both, or neither (meaning, the crapulence may not be due to Ganz).

The writing credit goes to whoever wrote the first draft, not who had the idea (usually a collaborative process) nor who wrote the bulk of it (frequently Harmon, when he was on the show)

¬╡▫ ▫╞⌠ (sic), Monday, 3 June 2013 22:07 (ten years ago) link

yeah i feel like analyzing TV episodes by who 'wrote' them (especially when it comes to how funny an episode was) is usually pointless for that reason

some dude, Monday, 3 June 2013 22:17 (ten years ago) link

Saw my first episodes of BBT last month, all in a row one night, bcz there was a promo on while I was at the gym for "ALL NEW BIG BANG THEORY TONIGHT" with Kate Micucci in, so I kept returning to the treadmill to plug my headphones in and see her turn up. However, it turned out that there were three ALL OLD episodes first, and Micucci was only onscreen for about two minutes.

But I got to see the Blossom/Sheldon thing across a few episodes where she was longing for acknowledgement and affection from him, and it being presented as a victory that we're meant to laughingly share in when his aspieness shuts her out. To the point of drafting a relationship contract including that he is not required to even hold her hand.

I guess this could be seen as supportive pro-asexuality propaganda, but it felt way gross to me to be making broad-audience lols about a grown woman making huge allowances for a partner, and being denied sexual agency and fulfilment in return

¬╡▫ ▫╞⌠ (sic), Monday, 3 June 2013 22:20 (ten years ago) link

yeah that plotline, the longer it goes on, is kinda grotesque, so it surprised me that DJP was all "hey Sheldon has a girlfriend!". Shirley gets more action on Community than My Empty Valley gets on that show.

some dude, Monday, 3 June 2013 22:25 (ten years ago) link

djp I got yr back on big bang theory

balls, Monday, 3 June 2013 22:44 (ten years ago) link

BBT is lazy as hell.

Gukbe, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 05:02 (ten years ago) link

[Guarascio & Port] went to Comic-Con, saw what was going on. People dressed as spacemen and bananas and shit; people going, 'Holy shit, I cut myself every night and watch Community.' And they went, 'Fuck' and I think they tried their best and I think that was the best idea — not the best idea, as it turns out, but the most admirable kind of impulse. It's like, 'Let's not let these people down. If there's anything else we do, let's not let these people down' …

what a monster

pink, fleshy, and gleeful (sic), Monday, 17 June 2013 23:41 (ten years ago) link

“I watched season four. I guess I already knew this, but apparently, I’m quite a genius … I think I feel pretty comfortable expressing any kind of 'Eh, not my cup of tea' about it because — this has been expressed a thousand times over — it's obviously not somebody doing what they do and trying very hard to make people happy. It is very much like an impression, and an unflattering one. It’s just 13 episodes of 'Oh, I’m Dan Harmon! Derpy, derpy, durr! Die Hard! Durrrrr!' I feel like I'm going back to work tomorrow morning, and I just feel like, 'Do I talk like that?'…. Man, watching those characters without me there is just not fuckin' cool, man. It's like flipping through Instagrams and watching your girlfriend just blow a million [other guys]”

Still being sarcastic, if engaging in a far less healthy exercise, Harmon then added, “There's something awesome about having all of those preconceived notions ripped away from you. It's exciting. There's something exciting about being held down and watching your family get raped on a beach. It's liberating. It makes you focus on what's important.”

pretty much

they are either militarists (ugh) or kangaroos (?) (DJP), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 00:14 (ten years ago) link

sounds like an appropriate reaction. maybe too cordial.

mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 00:23 (ten years ago) link

I havent listened to this week's yet, but that sounds like the usual making-fun-of-his-narcissism-for-a-small-audience-in-the-back-of-a-comic-book-shop tone of Harmontown

pink, fleshy, and gleeful (sic), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 00:28 (ten years ago) link

yeah the nature of the beast that is dan-drunk-at-harmontown doesn't translate at all on paper. on the other hand, jesus take it down a notch maybe?

Clay, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 00:40 (ten years ago) link

I havent listened to this week's yet, but that sounds like the usual making-fun-of-his-narcissism-for-a-small-audience-in-the-back-of-a-comic-book-shop ... and then broadcast over iTunes to thousands of people... tone of Harmontown.

polyphonic, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 01:25 (ten years ago) link

you listen? it's v plain that he doesn't think about any audience except those in the room, hence ep 58 not even having the D&D uploaded. (and the tour showed that that micro-audience is in fact the macro listenership.)

pink, fleshy, and gleeful (sic), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 07:20 (ten years ago) link

(well, them and cockfarmers at the AV Club listening to an episode the second it goes up in case he says something impolitic typical.)

pink, fleshy, and gleeful (sic), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 07:22 (ten years ago) link

Just listened to the Harmontown intro from which those quotes are pulled. The whole 'watching your family get raped' thing was a joke at the end of a long riff on how he'd been trying to reach out to bill murray to play jeff's dad and how that possibility had been taken from him. Fuck that av club writer

mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 13:27 (ten years ago) link

at the end of a long riff

11 and a half minutes in. And it's really the start of the following 18 minutes of serious monologue about Harmon's stilted relationship with his own dad.

pink, fleshy, and gleeful (sic), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 15:32 (ten years ago) link

if i have to start listening to a podcast to enjoy this show i am done

Nhex, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 15:41 (ten years ago) link

Aaaaaaand he's apologizing.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 16:05 (ten years ago) link

sort of amazed he apologized

ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:38 (ten years ago) link

then again patton oswalt recently went on that rant and came out against rape jokes, maybe that really did have an effect

ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:39 (ten years ago) link

That might've been part of it, but Harmon's rant looked a lot more dickish in print than it sounded on his podcast. He probably wouldn't have apologized if transcriptions hadn't made the rounds (but he should've expected they would).

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:45 (ten years ago) link

He always sounds incredibly dickish to me, audio or print

polyphonic, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:46 (ten years ago) link

he sounds varying stages of drunk to me

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 June 2013 18:57 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, I've heard that he drinks a lot on his podcasts. And at every other time of day.

Tarfumes The Escape Goat, Tuesday, 18 June 2013 19:03 (ten years ago) link

He was the guest on, as far as I know, the only unaired live Nerdist podcast. He was SO drunk, like, humping the stage drunk. And saying the CRAZIEST trolliest shit. It was hilarious. But also kind of twilight zone.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 01:54 (ten years ago) link

I saw the Harmontown podcast tour. Dude was openly swigging from a vodka bottle whilst dancing shirtless to begin the show with a GoPro camera strapped to his head. He gets that drunk.

Hockey Drunk (kingfish), Wednesday, 19 June 2013 02:52 (ten years ago) link

Fuck that av club writer

so at last night's show he opened with talking about how since last week he's now hired a publicist to make him less famous. after five minutes of that he said "have you heard about this new thing, context?" which launched a lot of talk about the transcriptions from last week and related issues, and prompted bringing a boy-and-girl band up on stage and discussing how using a ringtone sample in a song they put on youtube has resulted in them reading hundreds and hundreds of strangers directly telling them to kill themselves and that the girl is hideously ugly and etc. it was really great. (nb: Erin was comptrolling, so Harmon's discourse on his big mouth and unthinkingness and intended audiences was p much unfettered/unstructured, rather than being interaction with Jeff's enquiry or analysis)

pink, fleshy, and gleeful (sic), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:17 (ten years ago) link

also in one week of work on Community, Spencer has twice earned applause from the writers' room for getting Dan to sit down and calm himself

also they made fun of the entertainment bloggers or Hollywood Reporter types who were obviously attending in hope of headlines


if i have to start listening to a podcast to enjoy this show i am done

he reiterated last night what he's said before: the TV show itself is what he wants to say to a large audience.

pink, fleshy, and gleeful (sic), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:25 (ten years ago) link

Gotta say the more I read about DH, the less likely I am willing to indulge his BS. It's sort of a blessing that Google Reader is dying in a week and I won't have AV Club updates on his ego delivered to my browser daily.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 24 June 2013 18:37 (ten years ago) link

I wouldn't really comment on his ego based on AV Club updates

mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Monday, 24 June 2013 22:19 (ten years ago) link

http://www.avclub.com/articles/community-will-now-have-far-less-donald-glover%2C99865/

Less Troy, more Childish Gambino.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 8 July 2013 20:54 (ten years ago) link

That's a shame, because he's funny as Troy, but really not very funny or good or interesting at all as Childish Gambino.

I guess I don't fully understand what the show even is without Glover and Chevy Chase. I guess the writers can write around it.

I know everyone hates Chase but imo he was a huge part of the show.

polyphonic, Monday, 8 July 2013 21:02 (ten years ago) link

Now they're really not going to have a clue as to what to do with Abed, his relationship with Troy was one of the few reliably great things at the heart of this show.

JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 8 July 2013 21:06 (ten years ago) link

maybe they'll have Abed murder someone

big black nemesis, Puya chilensis (DJP), Monday, 8 July 2013 21:07 (ten years ago) link

i kinda burned out on this show halfway through the third season. should i keep going, or am i destined to be heartbroken by the awfulness of what comes next?

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 8 July 2013 21:17 (ten years ago) link

You can certainly skip season 4, even if it wasn't as bad as some people thought it would be.

polyphonic, Monday, 8 July 2013 21:20 (ten years ago) link

they should just hire another actor to do an impression of glover as troy

mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Monday, 8 July 2013 22:36 (ten years ago) link

bummer about that news, as Glover was Harmon's favourite actor in the cast

(though he never seemed to adore Harmon as much as the rest of them, so)

pink, fleshy, and gleeful (sic), Monday, 8 July 2013 22:43 (ten years ago) link

"thing that happens all the time also happens in show that makes us a lot of ad money"

ty based gay dead computer god (zachlyon), Saturday, 20 July 2013 21:34 (ten years ago) link

Maybe he's a ghost.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, 21 July 2013 00:26 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...
one month passes...

Comedy Central is kicking off their Community syndication tonight, and it's the first time I've seen all these S1 episodes since they originally came on. One thing that very clearly fell by the wayside with this show...exterior shots. I'd forgotten how often they did things outside the classroom/study room/people's apartments, something which never happens anymore.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 21 September 2013 02:46 (ten years ago) link

one of my local broadcast stations starting showing it in late night reruns recently. the other day i watched the 3rd episode, and it was kinda jarring how different it was from later episodes, both in how a lot of the characters were portrayed and in how little there was of anyone but Jeff and Britta. i liked the show a lot from the beginning, and it definitely improved from there, but i wish the seams didn't show so much in how it grew in retrospect.

Jean-Claude Brand Ambassador (some dude), Saturday, 21 September 2013 03:50 (ten years ago) link

i think that's the norm when it comes to sitcoms, it always feels weird to go back and watch the early episodes where they're still refining the formula and retooling, let alone how often main characters got replaced

Nhex, Saturday, 21 September 2013 03:52 (ten years ago) link

the other day i watched the 3rd episode, and it was kinda jarring how different it was from later episodes, both in how a lot of the characters were portrayed and in how little there was of anyone but Jeff and Britta

? That episode is all about Abed. It's actually one of my favourite episodes. Prof Whitman and Abed's Dad are both great.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 September 2013 04:35 (ten years ago) link

One thing that very clearly fell by the wayside with this show...exterior shots. I'd forgotten how often they did things outside the classroom/study room/people's apartments, something which never happens anymore.

― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, September 20, 2013 10:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This may be due to budgetary constraints. iirc, in the commentary for "Cooperative Calligraphy," Harmon said they were so over-budget that at least one bottle episode was a necessity.

punt cased (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 21 September 2013 19:53 (ten years ago) link

Exterior shots can't be that expensive, especailly on a campus. Local news stations across the world do them daily.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 21 September 2013 19:55 (ten years ago) link

Although, it might necessitate paying a bunch of extras.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 21 September 2013 19:55 (ten years ago) link

in my limited experience with (totally different kinds of) shoots, i would say that doing a scene outside, probably with a dolly, is definitely more expensive and labor-intensive than just setting the scene in the same interior sets where they're probably already shooting several other scenes that week.

Jean-Claude Brand Ambassador (some dude), Saturday, 21 September 2013 20:20 (ten years ago) link

when is this show back btw?

Holy Shirt! (stevie), Saturday, 21 September 2013 22:28 (ten years ago) link

new season is 13 episodes and isn't in the fall lineup, so i'm guessing early 2014

Jean-Claude Brand Ambassador (some dude), Saturday, 21 September 2013 22:36 (ten years ago) link

although it will almost definitely be back on Thursdays, since that's the only night NBC is running sitcoms in the fall and there are 3 new shows that can't all survive a full season

Jean-Claude Brand Ambassador (some dude), Saturday, 21 September 2013 22:38 (ten years ago) link

Has anybody purchased the S4 box? Is it worth it?

Your Own Personal El Guapo (kingfish), Sunday, 22 September 2013 00:17 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

:/

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:33 (ten years ago) link

that bums me out. like, not just the content but the motivation behind doing that in the first place. i hope he's ok

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 23:33 (ten years ago) link

he really doesn't sound okay. wtf

Defund Phil Collins (stevie), Thursday, 17 October 2013 06:46 (ten years ago) link

sounds like the "I'm rich and famous, smashing mad puss, woe is me" tone of a lot of Gambino lyrics tbh

(nb I haven't really heard a lot of Gambino why bcz ^^)

I'm not a rockist, I just hate Rap-A-Lot (sic), Thursday, 17 October 2013 09:29 (ten years ago) link

feel kind of bad for him but also turned off by oversharing

Nhex, Thursday, 17 October 2013 15:03 (ten years ago) link

oversharing is for anonymous

Nhex, Thursday, 17 October 2013 15:04 (ten years ago) link

Looks like they're offsetting this by bringing back John Oliver for about half the season as well. He's no Troy but Professor Ian Duncan is a much-missed character for me, if only for bro-ing down with Jeff potential.

Matt DC, Thursday, 17 October 2013 15:18 (ten years ago) link

I just don't even know what the point is without Troy tbh. Are they writing him out? Will he "go visit his aunt" for a few episodes and come back? What about Abed?

Defund Phil Collins (stevie), Thursday, 17 October 2013 15:31 (ten years ago) link

one month passes...

Meta bit about Zach Braff and what Scrubs did for him was lol.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 12 December 2013 21:41 (ten years ago) link

Ha, yeah. I lol'd plenty at this...but then, I also had high hopes for season 4 after seeing its trailer.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 12 December 2013 21:56 (ten years ago) link

yeah, i liked the meta-Glover joke and the return to Harmon nod. as before, cautiously hopeful

Nhex, Sunday, 15 December 2013 19:27 (ten years ago) link

I wonder how they're going to do the whole study group thing with no Pierce and no Troy. Presumably they're going to do something with Chang that doesn't involve the usual lame nemesis/supervillain thing, but I wouldn't be averse to seeing a couple of new characters at this point.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 19:37 (ten years ago) link

Not only no Pierce and no Troy, but supposedly none of them are students in season 5. In one of those pieces Harmon mentions "contrived reasons" for bringing everyone back to the school.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 18 December 2013 19:47 (ten years ago) link

Given they have a criminology professor this time round, they could have a lot of fun with those contrived reasons.

AFAIK though only Jeff actually needs a contrived reason to come back in the first place?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 December 2013 19:49 (ten years ago) link

What did they all graduate at the end of S4 or something? I only watched like the first three episodes.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 19 December 2013 14:21 (ten years ago) link

It was only Jeff and Pierce, right? Jeff had secretly accumulated enough credits to graduate a semester early, iirc.

Merdeyeux, Thursday, 19 December 2013 14:24 (ten years ago) link

Jeff's reason is that he'll now be an instructor, but it seems weird if the rest of them aren't students...unless Greendale is like "The Island," and leaving is impossible.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 19 December 2013 14:40 (ten years ago) link

Hey, Luis Guzman did it!

Nhex, Thursday, 19 December 2013 15:00 (ten years ago) link

Mad Men promo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BswdZTeTsXY

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 18:01 (ten years ago) link

hahahah

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 24 December 2013 18:03 (ten years ago) link

Nailed it!

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 28 December 2013 05:28 (ten years ago) link

lol

balls, Saturday, 28 December 2013 05:35 (ten years ago) link

i lol'd at least a few times tnite

Mordy , Friday, 3 January 2014 01:56 (ten years ago) link

The tonal shift from last season is staggering

def lol'd at the meta joke from Donald Glover

SHAUN (DJP), Friday, 3 January 2014 02:11 (ten years ago) link

yeah i have to hand it to him for willingly being Zach Braff in that gag

some dude, Friday, 3 January 2014 02:34 (ten years ago) link

I half want to look up the writing credits to see if he's mentioned because I wouldn't be surprised if he put that in himself

SHAUN (DJP), Friday, 3 January 2014 03:12 (ten years ago) link

that ep was McKenna and Harmon

giant faps are what you take, wanking on the moon (sic), Friday, 3 January 2014 06:10 (ten years ago) link

yeah performers don't get writing credit for improvs, writing credit is assigned by the staff/showrunner, usually to whomever does the first draft.

Clay, Friday, 3 January 2014 06:32 (ten years ago) link

first ep was good, clever, and got the job done but the second episode reminded me just how much i loved this show. jonathan banks was hilarious and even though the nicolas cage thing at first made me think 'really? you're going to go there?' abed descending into cage was amazing and it leading up the realization that 'humans are random and pointless' was great, reminded me of the lost burn in the xmas episode from season 2. happy to have it back.

balls, Friday, 3 January 2014 07:11 (ten years ago) link

the Scrubs thing was so built into the episode at different points though (and Harmon and Lawrence have done so many shout-outs to each other before) that the line wouldn't be likely to just be thrown in

really sweet that Chevy came back to do a cameo now that Harmon is back btw!

giant faps are what you take, wanking on the moon (sic), Friday, 3 January 2014 10:20 (ten years ago) link

So much could've gone wrong with the casting of Banks, and it all went so, so right.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 3 January 2014 14:50 (ten years ago) link

I'm very happy that this is a show I like again.

Merdeyeux, Friday, 3 January 2014 15:05 (ten years ago) link

so so happy

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 January 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link

no surprise that Jonathan Banks does 'old white guy' character better than chevy chase

jbn, Friday, 3 January 2014 17:17 (ten years ago) link

always be caging

mookieproof, Friday, 3 January 2014 19:52 (ten years ago) link

Haven't seen last night's yet, but: will I be missing anything, not having seen S4? Kinda wanna watch it for car crash value/sating of OCD completist tendencies...but I also kinda don't want to. Mostly, I'm just curious if there are any camouflaged self-referential barbs afoot.

Cloaca & Dagger (Old Lunch), Friday, 3 January 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link

There's a passing reference to Chang's "Changnesia," and his name change to Kevin, from last season (it's really better that you don't know). It's just there to put that fetid storyline to bed so everyone can move on.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 3 January 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link

always be caging

died when i noticed this, btw

an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 3 January 2014 20:35 (ten years ago) link

Also Annie says 'well there was a gas leak that one year', and Jeff's reply indicates it was the WHOLE year, ie last season. At least that's how I interpreted it.

franny glass, Friday, 3 January 2014 21:12 (ten years ago) link

yeah i caught that too, lol'd

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 January 2014 21:13 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, a few lines later when they are talking about the number of Abed's breakdowns he asks, "does that inclde the gas leak year?".

an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 3 January 2014 21:19 (ten years ago) link

The Zach Braff thing was definitely a planned thing, because he was brought in to do the Scrubs-style voiceover at the end of the episode.

Cereal. Killed it. No spoon. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 4 January 2014 03:44 (ten years ago) link

The Pierce Hawthorne Museum of Gender Sensitivity and Sexual Potency

optional and mutable (it's a boy!), Saturday, 4 January 2014 04:09 (ten years ago) link

I liked how Jeff's speech in the study room was essentially an acknowledgement and rejection of the the one-note personalities they'd become by the end of the last season. Also the apparent reset of Chang's character to his S1 persona is pretty much the best thing they could have done with him.

I was kind of worried how this show was going to work with no Pierce and no Troy, because the whole study group dynamic had become so important to the show, but that feels kind of irrelevant now. Most of all I'm just overjoyed that this show is funny again.

Loved the Pierce cameo though. Also Abed doing Cage was incredible.

Matt DC, Saturday, 4 January 2014 12:39 (ten years ago) link

Also Troy attempting to escape from Banks's office while disguised as a chair pretty much had me in tears.

Matt DC, Saturday, 4 January 2014 16:22 (ten years ago) link

laughed through both episodes, thank fuck for harmon

"I'M A SEXY CAAAAT"

haim goin ham (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 4 January 2014 16:41 (ten years ago) link

"Also Troy attempting to escape from Banks's office while disguised as a chair pretty much had me in tears."

Me, too! Maybe their best credits scene yet.

Fetchboy, Saturday, 4 January 2014 19:31 (ten years ago) link

god the look on glover's face and then banks' last line - "we can't afford to bury father with the rest of the family"

balls, Saturday, 4 January 2014 19:56 (ten years ago) link

very happy with these two. Always Be Caging had me dying, as did "gas leak year". Chang actually funny again.

Nhex, Saturday, 4 January 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link

Have y'all seen this: http://imgur.com/a/6Sa6L

SHAUN (DJP), Saturday, 4 January 2014 20:08 (ten years ago) link

OTM re: Chang. His "Aaaaawww she in your class, yo" was funnier than all of his S4 lines combined (and most of his S3 lines).

xp

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 4 January 2014 20:10 (ten years ago) link

OTM

SHAUN (DJP), Saturday, 4 January 2014 20:12 (ten years ago) link

"oh, excuse me for being alive in the '90s and having two ears connected to a heart."

Merdeyeux, Friday, 10 January 2014 02:40 (ten years ago) link

Reverse Chang tonight struck me as absolutely hilarious. Also the part about "You just admitted you own a fake butt."

Johnny Fever, Friday, 10 January 2014 02:52 (ten years ago) link

STARBURNS' CAT CAR U GUYS

haim goin ham (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 11 January 2014 00:48 (ten years ago) link

"The world's first animal powered vehicle!"

Was the episode supposed to be like the killing, or another TV show? There was clearly a logo treatment that I didn't quite get, but the grey rainy episode certainly reminded me of the killing

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Saturday, 11 January 2014 01:00 (ten years ago) link

i think it was kind of serial killer genre homage mostly (opening credits were basically the Red Dragon credits iirc) and there was a bunch of Zodiac in the first few minutes. The constant rain thing could be a Seven reference, or at least that's where my mind went. It's sort of like how the paintball wasn't necessarily a Die Hard spoof but a general action homage taking from this and that blueprint or film.

Clay, Saturday, 11 January 2014 01:09 (ten years ago) link

yeah, i thought mostly a fincher homage

Mordy , Saturday, 11 January 2014 01:14 (ten years ago) link

does no-one watch Hannibal?

credits, rain, classical music, weird colors = Hannibal

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 January 2014 01:36 (ten years ago) link

even the way it deliberately didn't resolve was very Hannibal-ish/esque/ w/e

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 January 2014 01:37 (ten years ago) link

It's all Fincher.

This Is Not An ILX Username (LaMonte), Saturday, 11 January 2014 01:49 (ten years ago) link

not saying that it wasnt also Finchery, but there was a lot of Hannibal in there imho

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 January 2014 02:05 (ten years ago) link

ah, having seen none of the things mentioned I suppose it's obvious why my mind went "the killing"

Best ever obv Law & Order: Basic Lupine Urology xp

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Saturday, 11 January 2014 02:06 (ten years ago) link

the classical music + "i thought that would take longer" thing was perfect.

note at the end abed was deleting a whole bunch of hannibal episodes from his dvr.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Saturday, 11 January 2014 03:51 (ten years ago) link

this was GREAT

gonna miss Troy

SHAUN (DJP), Saturday, 11 January 2014 04:41 (ten years ago) link

choir version of 'creep' at the beginning fincher callout

balls, Saturday, 11 January 2014 06:46 (ten years ago) link

on one hand i miss how the genre exercises used to develop from within the world (in s1/s2 there wouldn't have been text at the end unless abed put it there himself), and the discussion of the annie/jeff "thing" felt forced. on the other i was giggling straight through this thing.

gotta see hannibal though if this episode was like hannibal then hannibal is like fincher

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 07:38 (ten years ago) link

"You can't stop me because what are you going to do, not have butts?"

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 07:40 (ten years ago) link

xpost hannibal is like if fincher was an interior decorator. ITS SO GOOD content-wise, and rad to look at

zodiac levels of holy shit LOOK at that pause-moments

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 January 2014 07:47 (ten years ago) link

gonna miss Troy

this. damn you childish gambino.

the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Saturday, 11 January 2014 08:00 (ten years ago) link

i still haven't gotten around to seeing Hannibal -- basing a whole episode around a moderately popular NBC show that's been on for one season, really? that's like if instead of having a great throwaway gag about The Cape they actually let Abed make an entire episode about The Cape. Hannibal doesn't even half a half-red/half-white logo like the Community logo in that ep, does it? what was that about?

some dude, Saturday, 11 January 2014 14:29 (ten years ago) link

i suppose Community may have accurately surmised at this point that most of their audience is people whose remotes are broken and the TV is stuck on NBC. kinda lol but mostly sad that the season premiere preceded by months of "Harmon's back!" excitement got lower ratings than the last season premiere that was preceded by months of "Harmon's gone!" outrage.

some dude, Saturday, 11 January 2014 14:36 (ten years ago) link

very different timing for both premieres but in both cases community beat the newer more friendly nbc sitcoms in the ratings that week

balls, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:03 (ten years ago) link

i still haven't gotten around to seeing Hannibal -- basing a whole episode around a moderately popular NBC show that's been on for one season, really? that's like if instead of having a great throwaway gag about The Cape they actually let Abed make an entire episode about The Cape.

did you watch the episode? read the thread? plenty to laugh at, plenty of references to recognize even if you haven't seen hannibal.

and yeah the important thing is community's relative standing to its peers in the NBC thursday crypt

http://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/article/NBCs-COMMUNITY-Up-17-in-Key-Demo-vs-Year-Ago-20140110

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:23 (ten years ago) link

if dan harmon can avoid posting naked drawings of castmembers on his tumblr or disappearing for a month, i think the chance are pretty good for a season 6. I mean, NBC has to renew something and its hitting that syndication gravy train. as for a movie, that's up to kickstarter.

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:28 (ten years ago) link

http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/photos/3/6/7/9/8_05f14de1719aeb2/community-fincherthA.jpg

this isn't a "omg have you seen hannibal" image they gave to all the blogs, this is a "omg have you seen a procedural about a serial killer since the mid-90s" image

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link

i watched and enjoyed the episode but the whole time i was confused about what it was parodying and had no idea until i read the thread

some dude, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:40 (ten years ago) link

i'll admit i didn't recognize the red dragon credits and while they're not particularly iconic they're undoubtedly cheaper than seven-style credits

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:41 (ten years ago) link

i mean i LIKE that the show doesn't trade exclusively in spoonfed Star Wars-level pop culture references but My Dinner With Andre refs >>>>> this

some dude, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:42 (ten years ago) link

i wouldn't say its up to the level of that episode, sure, but if you got confused because they were paying tribute to a popular filmmaking aesthetic rather than one specific movie that's on you

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:46 (ten years ago) link

it sounds like you're mad no one said "ITS LIKE ZODIAC!"

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:47 (ten years ago) link

i thought the montage at the end where life goes on and no one is certain who the culprit was while the ben folds song played felt like a direct homage to zodiac

Mordy , Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:48 (ten years ago) link

iirc there was also a photo of a dragon-tattoo-ish punk lady on a locker early on

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link

did they not really deal w/ torture serial killer flicks in the ep or did i miss some references (hostel/saw/etc)?

Mordy , Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:50 (ten years ago) link

nah it was pretty much the post-seven brand

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:51 (ten years ago) link

well i got all the stuff that was broad genre parody but i'm assuming there's some Hannibal-specific stuff that went over my head -- again i have no idea how much.

some dude, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:51 (ten years ago) link

in any event it felt like they wanted to do something else in the vein of the Law & Order ep or the conspiracy theory episode but didn't have as strong a hook for it, i dunno.

some dude, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:52 (ten years ago) link

i've never seen an ep of hannibal fwiw and didn't catch any refs to it

Mordy , Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:53 (ten years ago) link

i dunno, the stuff vg ref'd up thread - "rain, classical music, weird colors" - are all fincher tropes too

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:53 (ten years ago) link

if i hadn't read the thread first i would have primarily assumed zodiac, considering the show consisted of attack sequences followed by threatening letters, paranoid detectives in glum settings and an ambiguous "will we ever know" montage

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:55 (ten years ago) link

but if this is all like hannibal too, then shit i gotta see me some hannibal

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:56 (ten years ago) link

are creepy greenhouses a film noir thing, or am i just thinking of "the big sleep" and extrapolating it to all film noir?

reddening, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:57 (ten years ago) link

more just going into a claustrophobic space, a spooky guy at the end of the hallway bolting upon spotting the detectives, and the detectives having to thrash around the claustrophobic setting, hopefully breaking at least one glass object

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:58 (ten years ago) link

almost disappointed there wasn't more of ben folds

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:58 (ten years ago) link

first time i've said that since high school

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:59 (ten years ago) link

also i don't think this really pulled anything from hannibal other than a heightened stylized air, but everyone should still watch hannibal cuz it's great.

reddening, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:59 (ten years ago) link

i think creepy greenhouses/labs are definitely a thing tho the main example i can think of atm is varicella

Mordy , Saturday, 11 January 2014 17:02 (ten years ago) link

both make great lairs, naturally cluttered spaces with sharp corners

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 17:06 (ten years ago) link

there's the creepyish greenhouseish guy in Twin Peaks too.

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 11 January 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link

re this episode, I thought I was missing a key reference point because I didn't recognise the credits, but I think if not for those I'd just have taken it as a general post-Seven serial killer thing.

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 11 January 2014 17:09 (ten years ago) link

i don't think it was just hannibal. but abed's "profiler" was def a hannibal ref. "so many.. profiler shows... on basic.. cable.. so much pain.. ful writing."

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Saturday, 11 January 2014 17:25 (ten years ago) link

except hannibal isn't on basic cable and is a spin-off of a movie franchise dating back to the 90s

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link

not saying they aren't aware of hannibal (as per abed's dvr) just that the slow talking profiler wasn't invented in the last three years

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 17:29 (ten years ago) link

'80 actually, re hannibal

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link

the music in the DMB reseach scene was taken from a research scene in Seven

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 January 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link

oh, and Abed was deleting episodes of "The Bridge" and "Hannibal" show that have detectives with Aspberger's. He was also deleting episodes of "Johnny Spectrum"

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 January 2014 17:40 (ten years ago) link

or maybe the Hannibal guy doesn't actually have Aspberger's but they say he's "on the spectrum"

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 January 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link

oh, and Abed was deleting episodes of "The Bridge" and "Hannibal" show that have detectives with Aspberger's. He was also deleting episodes of "Johnny Spectrum"

― I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Saturday, January 11, 2014 12:40 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha ok that's great. especially if that's an indication that one of the things they're walking back from season 4 is how Abed had begun to seem less like a functional adult than he had in earlier seasons.

some dude, Saturday, 11 January 2014 17:46 (ten years ago) link

except hannibal isn't on basic cable and is a spin-off of a movie franchise dating back to the 90s

― da croupier, Saturday, January 11, 2014 12:29 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

right i wasn't saying the _content_ of the bit was all about hannibal. the delivery and setup was pure will tho.

lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Saturday, 11 January 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link

man i hope hannibal is like the platonic ideal of these tropes cuz everything being described as oh so hannibal seems oh so familiar even though i've never seen the show

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 18:03 (ten years ago) link

"rain? classical music? a slow talking profiler? someone's clearly picking up what nbc's been putting down since april '13!"

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfXuNJxWw88

filmed in 1999

da croupier, Saturday, 11 January 2014 18:11 (ten years ago) link

I'm on the "what are they parodying?" train, but I totally dug this episode. Love Troy with the blankets and cups, and Starburns' "hee haw!" was A+.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 11 January 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link

"This is how they comfort victims in movies"

"Wait a minute, ants DO have butts!"

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 11 January 2014 18:36 (ten years ago) link

yeah starburns dave hee haw was probably the second biggest laff of the night for me after the dean snapping his fingers trying to get the call traced

balls, Saturday, 11 January 2014 18:55 (ten years ago) link

oh man, the snapping thing stressed me out.

Øystein, Saturday, 11 January 2014 18:57 (ten years ago) link

dean in the press conference was funny too

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:57 (ten years ago) link

Dean's snapping was ace, especially w/ the "look at the extension" tag

I mean, NBC has to renew something and its hitting that syndication gravy train

Gravy is for Sony, not NBC (though this means they're likely to make it super-worthwhile to NBC to buy another 13.)

giant faps are what you take, wanking on the moon (sic), Saturday, 11 January 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link

in love with this show all over again

Sufjan Grafton, Saturday, 11 January 2014 21:52 (ten years ago) link

this episode didn't have a ton of lols, but it had whatever quality harmon brings to the show in spades, and I thought it was solid.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Saturday, 11 January 2014 22:08 (ten years ago) link

"I went backstage, met all the band... except Dave".

Matt DC, Sunday, 12 January 2014 11:45 (ten years ago) link

wau this thread turned into a really cool ~*ALTERNATE REALITY GAME*~ wau jfc

also

except hannibal isn't on basic cable and is a spin-off of a movie franchise dating back to the 90s

p sure nbc is basic cable?

my whole family is catholic so look at the pickle i'm in (zachlyon), Monday, 13 January 2014 02:26 (ten years ago) link

nbc is a broadcast network. basic cable channels are amc, comedy central, espn, that sorta thing.

Clay, Monday, 13 January 2014 02:27 (ten years ago) link

OH LOL

my whole family is catholic so look at the pickle i'm in (zachlyon), Monday, 13 January 2014 02:28 (ten years ago) link

nvm had a brainfart

my whole family is catholic so look at the pickle i'm in (zachlyon), Monday, 13 January 2014 02:29 (ten years ago) link

NBC's ratings are comparable to those of middling basic cable networks, so the confusion is understandable.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 13 January 2014 02:41 (ten years ago) link

lol

idk why my brain saw "basic cable" and decided it meant "network"

BUT hannibal is actually based on the original books, not the movies, so i can still be right about something

my whole family is catholic so look at the pickle i'm in (zachlyon), Monday, 13 January 2014 02:50 (ten years ago) link

FWIW this was funny enough without getting what it was a parody of. In light of the ending it was possibly less about a parody for the sake of a parody as it was about creating the right atmosphere for the Pierce bombshell.

Matt DC, Monday, 13 January 2014 13:30 (ten years ago) link

tbh i thought the pierce bombshell was so pointless it was 99% there for sake of the parody

my whole family is catholic so look at the pickle i'm in (zachlyon), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 00:18 (ten years ago) link

also didn't we see pierce's ghost two episodes ago, that confuses me some

Clay, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 00:24 (ten years ago) link

that was a hologram, keep up

mookieproof, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 00:25 (ten years ago) link

yeah but it's a decent point, show was already treating him like he was dead

my whole family is catholic so look at the pickle i'm in (zachlyon), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 00:30 (ten years ago) link

yeah, but didn't they also suggest he wasn't allowed on the premises of the college for some reason, thus the hologram?

the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 07:30 (ten years ago) link

supposedly this is gonna play out as a storyline, so we'll see how it goes. i'm surprised they're even bothering, honestly

Nhex, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 07:31 (ten years ago) link

Am finally caught up. This show is awesome again. The lengths they went to light and shoot this ep and desaturate it all were astounding.

Did anyone notice the Rorschach on Prof John Oliver's wall?

Who is DANKEY KANG? (kingfish), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 08:37 (ten years ago) link

I dunno, I think there's some fun to be had with Pierce's funeral.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 09:47 (ten years ago) link

this show is hella dark now, between everyones post-college failings, breaking bad guys phone conversation, pierces death and the inevitable funeral.

its also really good again.

i love how abed didnt take the bait.

a hoy hoy, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 12:44 (ten years ago) link

Also, is it just me or is their cafeteria art that looks exactly like one of Dan Harmon's Story Circles? It's the segmented circle with little colored geometric shapes

Who is DANKEY KANG? (kingfish), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 17:56 (ten years ago) link

a hoy hoy? feels like i haven't seen you in a while!

Nhex, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 19:06 (ten years ago) link

this show is hella dark now, between everyones post-college failings, breaking bad guys phone conversation, pierces death and the inevitable funeral.

well, yeah, this is the darkest timeline.

an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 19:41 (ten years ago) link

fuck that "darkest timeline" bullshit

SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link

the chaos theory episode was amusing but every subsequent "darkest timeline" joke has been worse than every Inspector Spacetime joke put together

SHAUN (DJP), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 19:43 (ten years ago) link

i'm p sure that's entirely where this season is set though, it's been made pretty obvious.

an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 19:49 (ten years ago) link

i mean, not saying you are wrong to be tired of the whole thing, but this seems like a pretty intentional thing Harmon is running with for season 5.

an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 19:50 (ten years ago) link

Jeff has 2 arms though?

some dude, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 19:51 (ten years ago) link

i don't think we'll be seeing goatee Abed anytime soon. or I hope not. i was ok with the concept but it seemed pretty done.

Nhex, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 19:55 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, I mean there are some pretty major inconsistencies, but the way the whole show has been literally darker since the new seaon started. I don't know the correct techincal term here, but it's rendered significantly darker than it has been in the past and its pretty drastic compared to every other sitcom now. I just figured it was something Harmon was running with, since the depressing outcomes have just been hammered in over and over.

an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 19:56 (ten years ago) link

i agree, the change in visual tone is definitely noticeable. i don't know if they're going to get much darker than "Repilot", it feels like the angst in that episode got quickly handwaved away

Nhex, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 19:58 (ten years ago) link

I mean, who knows, I hate to overthink a show like this (lol, cue Whiney) esp when they're clearly fine with handwaving away entire seasons (the gas leak year!), but the change in visual tone has had me thinking "darkest timeline" for better or worse. Don't get me wrong, I sincerely hope this doesn't end up there again, it just seems like he's really hammering on the whole "dark" thing.

an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 20:01 (ten years ago) link

It's a good move, IMO; I don't think they're going for the kitsch factor this time, though (like Inspector Spacetime etc.), it feels like a genuine reassessment and moving the show back to the darker corners it once had, like Abed's mental/social breakdowns, Shirley's alcoholism, etc. and this could be a great way to get back to regaining the emotional core this show has somewhat lost for the past few years. But you're right, this show really shouldn't as over-analyzed as it has been, both in this thread and on the internet in general.

Nhex, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link

I mean, ASS CRACK BRITTA. This is the show we're talking about here. :)

Nhex, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link

I liked Britta's deadly serious attempt at profiling

Who is DANKEY KANG? (kingfish), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 01:10 (ten years ago) link

a hoy hoy? feels like i haven't seen you in a while!

― Nhex, Tuesday, January 14, 2014 7:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hey! yeah 2013 was a tough year and it meant internet consumption died for me, p much. im still kicking around a little bit though.

a hoy hoy, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 11:53 (ten years ago) link

the chaos theory episode was amusing but every subsequent "darkest timeline" joke has been worse than every Inspector Spacetime joke put together

Best thing about this season = no darkest timeline or Inspector Spacetime references shoehorned into every episode. The writers just got incredibly lazy when it came to writing Abed.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 12:27 (ten years ago) link

you told me a hawk stole them!

mookieproof, Friday, 17 January 2014 03:24 (ten years ago) link

Goggins at the end was hilarious.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 17 January 2014 03:33 (ten years ago) link

the interwebs way overrating this episode imo. it was good but certainly no advanced dungeons & dragons

Mordy , Friday, 17 January 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link

This image got some traction:

http://i.imgur.com/jkAinJH.jpg

Who is DANKEY KANG? (kingfish), Friday, 17 January 2014 16:04 (ten years ago) link

it was more a spiritual sequel to the lost pen episode from season two, collaborative calligraphy (this was collaborative polygraphy) xp

Clay, Friday, 17 January 2014 18:59 (ten years ago) link

Loved this one, pretty much the whole thing was perfectly pitched. And a great way to work loads of Pierce humour in there without even having Chevy anywhere near the set.

There's still at least one more episode of Troy right?

Matt DC, Saturday, 18 January 2014 13:41 (ten years ago) link

Yep, next one's supposed to be the last one with Glover. Harmon was talking about it on his podcast, said it's a real tearjerker.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 18 January 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link

great ep

Nhex, Saturday, 18 January 2014 18:45 (ten years ago) link

goggins!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 18 January 2014 19:05 (ten years ago) link

goggins at the end was hilarious

balls, Saturday, 18 January 2014 19:09 (ten years ago) link

"This is me! This is the real me! I'm artistic!"

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 18 January 2014 19:11 (ten years ago) link

feel like there've been at least four eps exactly like this but the sperm cylinders was great

my whole family is catholic so look at the pickle i'm in (zachlyon), Sunday, 19 January 2014 00:22 (ten years ago) link

yeah every "FEELINGS! YELLING!" scene on this show is the same and euchhhhhh 'Childish Tycoon' but funny episode anyway, Goggins killed it

Algerian Horsebeater (some dude), Sunday, 19 January 2014 00:54 (ten years ago) link

Whoa, trashy post-apoc 80s Britta is hawwwwt

Who is DANKEY KANG? (kingfish), Friday, 24 January 2014 06:50 (ten years ago) link

Miss you already, Troy Barnes!

Johnny Fever, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:01 (ten years ago) link

yup :(

Nhex, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:02 (ten years ago) link

though hot Britta :)

Nhex, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:02 (ten years ago) link

sometimes i think she kinda got unfairly shafted on this show with Annie being the phenom

Nhex, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:02 (ten years ago) link

It was clear in the beginning that Jeff/Britta was supposed the pair the rest of the Greendale world revolved around, or at least that's what NBC had planned for, but it quickly became a brilliant ensemble. In that sense, Britta got shafted, but I think she still plays an important part.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:08 (ten years ago) link

supposed *to be

Johnny Fever, Friday, 24 January 2014 07:09 (ten years ago) link

under normal sitcom rules Jeff and Britta would have married at the end of ssn3 and this year their toddler would be enrolled in Greendale's Neil Patrick Harris Memorial Child Genius Program.

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Friday, 24 January 2014 11:46 (ten years ago) link

This was so much better than another paintball episode. ;_; at the end as well.

Leonard releasing the butter was probably my favourite moment although we were robbed of a chance to see the Dean whimpering while stranded on the table as the school gets trashed again.

Matt DC, Saturday, 25 January 2014 13:51 (ten years ago) link

Last two eps have done a good job starting at a familiar place but then taking an emotionally affective left turn from the eps they recall. Really impressed they've kicked into a strong season 5 without getting to do a season 4.

I love that they took no effort hiding the paramount lot when the childish tycoon rolled away from the set.

da croupier, Saturday, 25 January 2014 16:17 (ten years ago) link

banks is fucking killing it on this show

balls, Saturday, 25 January 2014 16:27 (ten years ago) link

OTM. This is seriously as good as the show has ever been right now.

Matt DC, Saturday, 25 January 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link

no no no, let's not get crazy here ppl

balls, Saturday, 25 January 2014 16:30 (ten years ago) link

waiting for someone to show up and tell us that ssn 4 was better

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Saturday, 25 January 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link

Abed's "I'm sorry but I'm totally crazy" speech took my by surprise and was really effective. Also effective was distilling Troy's goodbye episode down to the characters who got closest to him, highlighting the differences in connection between Abed (knowingly wallowing in childhood) and Britta (transitioning into adulthood).

SHAUN (DJP), Saturday, 25 January 2014 18:04 (ten years ago) link

Wow this was great! Really amazing surprise ending. So good. Gonna miss Donald Glover on this show big time.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 25 January 2014 20:31 (ten years ago) link

"You never went to a star. Not in one episode."

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 January 2014 21:24 (ten years ago) link

so basically it sounds like community's got a good chance of a sixth season if the network doesn't give up on a comedy night, as they're in the same boat as last year where they hate community/parksandrec numbers but the new shows bombed and at least they're syndication-ready and cult favorites. but if NBC gets the Thursday NFL package and/or cuts down their number of comedy spots even further, parks & rec is already basically renewed so community would probably get dropped.

da croupier, Saturday, 25 January 2014 22:07 (ten years ago) link

xp actually not true at all, Troy. for shame!

Nhex, Saturday, 25 January 2014 22:14 (ten years ago) link

they totally styled chang after rufio from hook, right?

reddening, Sunday, 26 January 2014 00:20 (ten years ago) link

locker boys

mookieproof, Sunday, 26 January 2014 00:59 (ten years ago) link

Man, when Harmon writes Abed he is basically the most tragic character on television...

Frederik B, Sunday, 26 January 2014 01:15 (ten years ago) link

season 4 guys were so bad at getting abed this almost felt like showing off

worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Sunday, 26 January 2014 05:50 (ten years ago) link

otm

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 26 January 2014 05:51 (ten years ago) link

A limey here. I am almost finished on Season 3 should I just skip Season 4 entirely?

Chewshabadoo, Sunday, 26 January 2014 09:40 (ten years ago) link

Yep. The episode Jim Rash wrote was pretty good, but you're fine just hopping.

(D1CK$) (sic), Sunday, 26 January 2014 11:43 (ten years ago) link

If you're bored you can always go back, but you won't lose anything. Just know that Pierce leaves at the end of the season.

Nhex, Sunday, 26 January 2014 19:33 (ten years ago) link

Also, Troy and Britta were a couple, or at least they were when the storyline sort of called for it.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 26 January 2014 19:46 (ten years ago) link

i bailed after two episodes but from what i've heard they cashed in on some of the stuff harmon had spent years kinda building towards - troy and britta, jeff's dad - but didn't really do anything w/ it right?

balls, Sunday, 26 January 2014 20:16 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, the episode with Jeff's dad was one of the shittier ones, made moreso by the fact that his dad wasn't played by Bill Murray (who Harmon had envisioned for the role from the beginning).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 26 January 2014 20:20 (ten years ago) link

yeah, but honestly they were never gonna get Bill Murray. has he done any TV in decades?

Nhex, Sunday, 26 January 2014 23:43 (ten years ago) link

troy and britta was the real waste, imo

Nhex, Sunday, 26 January 2014 23:43 (ten years ago) link

The Sophie B. Hawkins Dance episode was good too.

jmm, Monday, 27 January 2014 00:07 (ten years ago) link

oh yeah, how could i forget! Man, too bad due to the pattern of Abed's love interests, we'll never see Brie Larson again

Nhex, Monday, 27 January 2014 01:58 (ten years ago) link

the dance one was the only one i thought was up to old standards.

Merdeyeux, Monday, 27 January 2014 06:18 (ten years ago) link

I want them to bring back Eliza Coupe

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Monday, 27 January 2014 07:43 (ten years ago) link

with Troy gone a string of romantic partners for Abed is surely the only way to go.

Merdeyeux, Monday, 27 January 2014 07:50 (ten years ago) link

The dance episode, and the Physical Education Education episode are both good, you can probably skip the rest.

The only thing that didn't really work with me about the last one was Abed thinking the lava was real. Kinda hoping we were done with 'Abed has weird visions' (and maybe we are now).

Matt DC, Monday, 27 January 2014 12:25 (ten years ago) link

not sure abed really thinks the lava is real so much as abed is willing to suspend his disbelief somewhat profoundly

Clay, Monday, 27 January 2014 12:39 (ten years ago) link

Just watched the first four episodes. Didn't much like the ass crack bandit one, other than that a total return to form. The gag density is almost of a peak era Simpsons level.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 27 January 2014 13:09 (ten years ago) link

I prefer the gag density of the first two episodes to the conceptualnessness of the last three - the last one was fun and noisy but there weren't a lot of actual jokes. Overall back on second season form though (i liked the first season best).

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 27 January 2014 14:11 (ten years ago) link

Abed's Nic Cage freakout was the funniest thing I've seen for ages.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 27 January 2014 14:23 (ten years ago) link

sexy cat otm

Nhex, Monday, 27 January 2014 14:42 (ten years ago) link

"taking kickbacks from Big Buzzkill" is my new favorite line.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 07:52 (ten years ago) link

This show has it all: Roxy Music, two Labyrinth references, and the return of Brie Larson.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 31 January 2014 02:42 (ten years ago) link

i was so happy about that! it's like they answer my internet whining prayer above.

also, if they can keep Chang at this level for the rest of the season, I can almost forgive him for the last few years, he's tearing it up

Nhex, Friday, 31 January 2014 02:44 (ten years ago) link

Haha, yeah, when I saw her the first thing I thought was "Nhex will be so happy!"

otm re: Chang. I was a tiny bit worried when he started crying about the bear down bit, thinking he was hatching another scheme, but it worked out pretty brilliantly.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 31 January 2014 02:49 (ten years ago) link

Season's killing it.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:10 (ten years ago) link

Didn't really get the last bit with Duncan though.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 31 January 2014 14:11 (ten years ago) link

IT'S A BEAR DAAAAAANCE!

Johnny Fever, Friday, 31 January 2014 14:13 (ten years ago) link

Real nerds don't go to the school dance and sit in an opened doorway reading a book.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 31 January 2014 17:44 (ten years ago) link

this episode was pretty wonky in ways (i can now sympathize with people who weren't sure what was being parodied in the buttcheek coin-dropper ep), but I loved so many individual bits. My dream for this show was that it would just be left to its own devices on Fridays instead of being prepped for major crossover by a desperate network, and while season 3 & 4 obv suffered from issues with the latter, it seems like its finally being allowed to just be this endearingly weird novelty with no worries about emmys, ratings or cancellation.

da croupier, Friday, 31 January 2014 17:50 (ten years ago) link

thursday now being an even more pathetic night for nbc than friday

da croupier, Friday, 31 January 2014 17:51 (ten years ago) link

i really liked the feel of this episode, had some seriousness around the edges without a lot of shrill arguing like some episodes, and the characters were grouped together in ways that you don't usually see and some of them (Annie and Chang in particular) got out of their usual niches, and Abed was still Abed in a good way without Troy. i was mildly dreading an instant turn into "Abed misses Troy" plots.

some dude, Friday, 31 January 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link

kinda weirded out by the lukewarm reaction i've seen to this episode, loved this episode and thought it was the first one this season that felt like it was doing something fresh instead of revisiting something that had worked in a better episode a previous season. sepinwall bitched that they didn't do anything w/ the guest stars or whatever (though man paget brewster and brie larson, these motherfuckers are reading my mind) but i thought the episode in general had a ton of hilarious lines. they did a good job of fat dogging for midterms imo.

balls, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:03 (ten years ago) link

also, again, and i'm probably gonna say this every week but jonathan banks is just killing it.

balls, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:05 (ten years ago) link

yeah it was our first glimpse of the post-troy/pierce show and that novelty was exciting and promising but i'm not shocked people aren't BEST YET over an episode with a "more than this" montage of unclear ironic distance.

da croupier, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link

oh and yeah SO GLAD this episode wasn't about troy at all - Suburgatory spent the first three episodes of this (Godawful so far) season having half the cast talk about how much they miss the guy who's on Enlisted now.

da croupier, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:12 (ten years ago) link

balls otm re: Banks. No weird adjustment period, dude just slotted right in.

I read some accusations of stunt casting wrt Nanjiani and Fillion, but they were both perfect, and didn't strike me as the least bit stunty.

"Daughter soccer. Got it."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 31 January 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link

i mean, it is "stuntcasting" in the sense that a bunch of recognizable actors with varying degrees of nerdlove zipped past us in the episode, but it's not like there wasn't an amusing plot w/ good dialogue they were taking part in.

da croupier, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:24 (ten years ago) link

kept thinking about tv shows within tv shows: an ocd thread for jaymc and nabisco because Nathan Fillion showed up in character a mere week after Chang yelled out the actor's name as his same sex celebrity crush.

some dude, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:25 (ten years ago) link

suburgatory :(

balls, Friday, 31 January 2014 18:32 (ten years ago) link

i'm actually quite impressed Banks is doing so well on this show, never would've thought him to be a good fit

don't forget Paget Brewster lol

Nhex, Friday, 31 January 2014 19:01 (ten years ago) link

my hopes weren't exactly high after omar never really paid off

balls, Friday, 31 January 2014 19:06 (ten years ago) link

yeah, exactly

Nhex, Friday, 31 January 2014 19:07 (ten years ago) link

Great episode, this season is killing it for sure.

I can also see how the whole internet culture around this show can get clowned though, I mean fretting over "stunt casting" as if there were millions of Americans waiting to check out this Community show to quench their thirst for a Kumail Nanjiani guest appearance.

an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 31 January 2014 19:16 (ten years ago) link

the only one of these massive guest stars I recognised was Robert Patrick, I thought he was funny, I also thought the other people I didn't recognise were funny.

Merdeyeux, Friday, 31 January 2014 19:19 (ten years ago) link

i've only seen it talked about in the AVClub review - but yeah, very silly hang up

Nhex, Friday, 31 January 2014 19:34 (ten years ago) link

I am basically hate-reading AVClub at this point

SHAUN (DJP), Friday, 31 January 2014 19:50 (ten years ago) link

speaking of meta, weird that both Parks and Rec and Community both had main plots about chains of political favors. less so for P&R, but...

Nhex, Friday, 31 January 2014 19:59 (ten years ago) link

kept thinking about tv shows within tv shows: an ocd thread for jaymc and nabisco because Nathan Fillion showed up in character a mere week after Chang yelled out the actor's name as his same sex celebrity crush.

― some dude, Friday, January 31, 2014 6:25 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Firefly is also been a big thing for Abed and Troy and where 6 seasons and a movie comes from.

a hoy hoy, Friday, 31 January 2014 20:01 (ten years ago) link

Pretty sure that was from "The Cape":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXqLCM0d0Os

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 31 January 2014 20:04 (ten years ago) link

it was definitely The Cape

SHAUN (DJP), Friday, 31 January 2014 20:05 (ten years ago) link

lol I don't remember the context of that episode at all, but as a standalone scene it's brilliant.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 31 January 2014 20:12 (ten years ago) link

Ok surely firefly fans going crazy was pre-cape?

a hoy hoy, Friday, 31 January 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link

Firefly fans going crazy definitely predated The Cape by 8 or 9 years, but I don't remember "six seasons and a movie" ever being tied to Firefly. The show was shuffled around the schedule seemingly at random (and nearly week-to-week), episodes were aired out of order, and then of course it got cancelled. It barely lasted a full season, but Serenity still somehow managed to get made.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 31 January 2014 20:18 (ten years ago) link

six seasons and a movie was a tag i heard quite a bit post-cancellation/pre-serenity. (i was a big whedon nerd at the time.)

a hoy hoy, Friday, 31 January 2014 20:19 (ten years ago) link

oh ok i guess it was never said on tv until abed from a small amount of googling.

a hoy hoy, Friday, 31 January 2014 20:21 (ten years ago) link

I am basically hate-reading AVClub at this point

I can't even hate-read it anymore.

an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 31 January 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link

my hopes weren't exactly high after omar never really paid off

Worth it for this scene alone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVCOAFKjaoY

erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 31 January 2014 21:24 (ten years ago) link

idiot youtube uploader missed the 's' in 'Legos'.

I am basically hate-reading AVClub at this point

is it my imagination or is Todd VanDerWerff much much worse than he used to be? Of course he was never good but I feel he used to do a reasonable job for someone who had to have thoughts about things with no time for reflection, but now, eesh.

Merdeyeux, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:41 (ten years ago) link

sooooo did anyone else catch the news ticker at the end of the latest episode?

gbx, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:44 (ten years ago) link

I think he's just rushing out the reviews so that people can read them within an hour of the show airing. Which seems weird to me, as I have no problem waiting until the next day to see how wrong and sloppy he is.

xp

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 31 January 2014 21:44 (ten years ago) link

I did not catch the news ticker at the end of the latest episode

SHAUN (DJP), Friday, 31 January 2014 21:44 (ten years ago) link

Levar Burton and non-celebrity companion captured by pirates in the gulf of mexico

gbx, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link

wut

Johnny Fever, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link

omg

da croupier, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:52 (ten years ago) link

haaa

SHAUN (DJP), Friday, 31 January 2014 21:52 (ten years ago) link

where/when is the news ticker? i don't see anything in my uuuuuuuh paralegally acquired copy.

Merdeyeux, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:56 (ten years ago) link

ah right, on the TV during the 'More Than This' montage.

Merdeyeux, Friday, 31 January 2014 21:57 (ten years ago) link

sepinwall bitched that they didn't do anything w/ the guest stars or whatever

Sepinwall is consistently off the money

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Saturday, 1 February 2014 04:12 (ten years ago) link

btw, that makes two episodes this season that make a gag on Gary Oldman's classic line from The Professional. i can only hope this trend continues.

Nhex, Saturday, 1 February 2014 05:55 (ten years ago) link

idiot youtube uploader missed the 's' in 'Legos'.

uploader can spell Lego better than TV writer and/or Michael K Williams

(D1CK$) (sic), Saturday, 1 February 2014 06:19 (ten years ago) link

kept thinking about tv shows within tv shows: an ocd thread for jaymc and nabisco because Nathan Fillion showed up in character a mere week after Chang yelled out the actor's name as his same sex celebrity crush.

― some dude, Friday, January 31, 2014 6:25 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

holy fuck that thread

worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Saturday, 1 February 2014 06:56 (ten years ago) link

one of those "oh so that weird thing i've obsessed about since i was six, there's a whole ilx thread on that" moments

worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Saturday, 1 February 2014 06:57 (ten years ago) link

also re avclub you guys gotta realize that 95% of their ad revenue comes from breaking bad/community and they're all out of breaking bad* so community is basically their only real responsibility

*(lol jk they can still milk it for a few more years)

worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Saturday, 1 February 2014 07:02 (ten years ago) link

Return of Eddie Pepitone and Jerry Minor playing a janitor named "Jerry"

Everyone reacting to the bear tragedy reminded me of something I liked from earlier years, usually involving insults to Leonard: the feeling of this strange world full of off-camera shot they all live in which we only get to see 22 minutes of each week.

President Frankenstein (kingfish), Saturday, 1 February 2014 09:01 (ten years ago) link

There were lots of individual bits that made me laugh in this episode but it still felt oddly flat and devoid of a centre. Show is going to be totally different now there's no Pierce and no Troy and that the study group is no longer a thing.

I can see where they're going with the Save Greendale Community but it still felt a bit weird to see them all sitting round the table with Buzz Hickey and Professor Duncan and Chang, like there's a dynamic that needs to be established all over again, and this is a show that has made group dynamics its thing since the start.

We're basically back at a Season One point where they need to re-establish the relationships between pairs of characters and that's kind of what they were doing here but the various storylines were all totally separate from one another, and the central conceit wasn't inherently funny. Episode probably needed more Jeff.

I hope we see more of Brie Larsen though. Also did Dan Harmon actually spoiler-not-spoiler the next season of Game of Thrones there? Like out of pure malevolence? I hope so.

Chang's dance at the end was awesome though, and I like what they're doing with Britta this season.

Matt DC, Saturday, 1 February 2014 13:30 (ten years ago) link

Also did Dan Harmon actually spoiler-not-spoiler the next season of Game of Thrones there?

No, he was just making fun of Game of Thrones.

SHAUN (DJP), Saturday, 1 February 2014 14:07 (ten years ago) link

There were lots of individual bits that made me laugh in this episode but it still felt oddly flat and devoid of a centre.

hmm. This is the second episode in a row in which Jeff was not a major player in the A-story. Wonder if that's what feels off.

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Saturday, 1 February 2014 14:35 (ten years ago) link

Yeah but the last episode was entirely built around the Troy-Abed-Britta relationship that has been established for years, whereas I couldn't really get a handle on how Annie was supposed to be feeling about Buzz and vice-versa. Banks is great in this but his character still feels underwritten beyond the occasional glimpse of his family life, which is problematic given he's basically part of the group now.

Matt DC, Saturday, 1 February 2014 14:59 (ten years ago) link

I have the opposite opinion of basically every single sentence in Matt DC's post. The show being obsessively devoted to hashing out the group's relationships became really tiresome after a while. They've amply demonstrated that they care about that stuff more than other sitcoms, at this point I'd rather them just keep trying to do funny new things with the characters they've got instead of laboring further over the THEMES and MYTHOLOGY. xp

scott c-word (some dude), Saturday, 1 February 2014 15:05 (ten years ago) link

It's part of what makes the show funny, things like Shirley constantly snipping at Britta.

Matt DC, Saturday, 1 February 2014 15:08 (ten years ago) link

But they could stand to drop the "Jeff gives an inspiring speech at the end" thing, which is usually not funny and getting a little tired after overuse.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 1 February 2014 15:16 (ten years ago) link

Dan Harmon does 'The Fat Dog'

http://instagram.com/p/j0hr3bg4Pe/

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 1 February 2014 18:13 (ten years ago) link

the whole bear/fat dog story was A+

worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Saturday, 1 February 2014 20:54 (ten years ago) link

it's not made up, it's not made up

Nhex, Saturday, 1 February 2014 22:07 (ten years ago) link

I was really glad that they finally brought back Rachel and there were some real lols in this last episode (and throughout this season). I kinda have a hard time with what the premise of the show even is at this point, though: this is probably obvious but they're really straining to justify a fifth year at community college with Jeff becoming a teacher and everyone else re-enrolling for the hell of it. As a result, a lot of these stories are hard for me to get behind. "Geothermal Escapism" seemed like a mishmash of ideas from the paintball and s2 Christmas episodes to me but made less sense than either of those. The school decided to officially devote itself to a game of Lava Wars because one student was leaving? Adult Swim territory imo - not a compliment. Still, I'm glad that it's watchable and sometimes funny again.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Sunday, 2 February 2014 01:14 (ten years ago) link

iirc the school was devoted to a $50,000 comic book

worthless lucubrations w/ ill-concealed apathy bro (zachlyon), Sunday, 2 February 2014 01:15 (ten years ago) link

i remember harmon saying sometime during season two that their world would get larger each season so that by the time graduation or whatever loomed as a plot point it really wouldn't matter that much, the show would've outgrown campus by that point. i'm guessing budget issues changed that.

balls, Sunday, 2 February 2014 01:38 (ten years ago) link

plus season 3 was probably a lesson in having too many characters - goodman and michael k williams underused while pierce and chang are walking hand in hand in a montage of doing nothing

da croupier, Sunday, 2 February 2014 01:41 (ten years ago) link

xxxp otm -- i had to stop watching south park when it became apparent that kenny's deaths meant nothing

mookieproof, Sunday, 2 February 2014 01:42 (ten years ago) link

it was somehow too many characters and too few in that weird way shows get where apparently the only ppl these characters know and interact w/ really are each other, everybody only knows four or five other ppl and those four or five other ppl only know each other and you, everybody lives on gilligan's isle.

balls, Sunday, 2 February 2014 01:43 (ten years ago) link

i'm not shocked people aren't BEST YET over an episode with a "more than this" montage of unclear ironic distance.

I thought this was a pretty-funny reference to the Dean's observation that things were getting Sorkin-y.

franny glass, Sunday, 2 February 2014 03:15 (ten years ago) link

I just really like the song.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 2 February 2014 04:20 (ten years ago) link

I'm curious if Harmon dumped his salary into the budget again to get that song

President Frankenstein (kingfish), Sunday, 2 February 2014 06:45 (ten years ago) link

I can't imagine broadcast rights for a Roxy Music song are Stones-level expensive, at least in the US.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 2 February 2014 06:50 (ten years ago) link

If "Layla" didn't kill the budget, then I doubt Roxy did.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 2 February 2014 15:26 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, but he has spoken before about plowing his own funds into the show to get music, I believe

President Frankenstein (kingfish), Sunday, 2 February 2014 18:58 (ten years ago) link

Quite like that it's centred around the campus again tbh. That was a big failing of the last season, and a good chunk of the third.

Matt DC, Sunday, 2 February 2014 19:12 (ten years ago) link

Ah, didn't know that.

xp

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 2 February 2014 19:18 (ten years ago) link

Has anyone watched DH's cartoon? It's called "Rick and Morty" and is on Adult Swim, and episodes are about 10 minutes long. It follows a kid and his constantly drunk mad scientist grandfather, sort of feeling like a Family Guy take on Dr. Who or something. I enjoyed the a-story about the title characters, but the b-story is the mom and dad, the latter of whom acts like he is the most brilliant person in the world and just won't shut up and really drags the whole thing down.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 2 February 2014 19:35 (ten years ago) link

i had no idea that was Harmon's

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 February 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link

i'm mr meeseeks look at me rick and morty thread

episodes are about 10 minutes long

r&m episodes are a standard 22 minutes fwiw.

Clay, Sunday, 2 February 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link

Quite like that it's centred around the campus again tbh. That was a big failing of the last season, and a good chunk of the third.

agreed

i remember Mordy pimping Rick and Morty, keep meaning to watch it. maybe when it hits netflix

Nhex, Sunday, 2 February 2014 21:57 (ten years ago) link

Rick And Morty didn't impress me at all when i saw it, been meaning to give it a second chance

scott c-word (some dude), Sunday, 2 February 2014 22:03 (ten years ago) link

As some have noted on its thread, the first episode is a little meh, but after that, look out.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 2 February 2014 22:20 (ten years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Somebody had some (Comedy Bang Bang-inspired) Wikipedia fun with Gillian Jacobs:

http://distilleryimage9.ak.instagram.com/d0ab1b7e9eb611e3afa4126f3b37e9fd_8.jpg

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 26 February 2014 20:34 (ten years ago) link

lol! those cbb episodes have been great, her character on community does not do justice to how funny and endearing jacobs is irl

hug niceman (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 20:44 (ten years ago) link

ha ha

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 20:46 (ten years ago) link

This was kind of a dark episode. The Abed-Hickey scenes were rawer than this show usually plays it.

jmm, Friday, 28 February 2014 14:58 (ten years ago) link

this felt like a throwback to the episode around Troy's bday in season 2

Clay, Friday, 28 February 2014 15:08 (ten years ago) link

What he hell?!?

This Is Not An ILX Username (LaMonte), Friday, 28 February 2014 21:21 (ten years ago) link

PUBLISHERS ARE INTERESTED!

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 28 February 2014 21:23 (ten years ago) link

I don't think I liked this episode as much as the reviewers, but this season has been astonishingly great. I love what they are doing with Buzz, Duncan and even Chang. At this point I want the rest of the original cast slowly phased out and the series continuing indefinitely with new characters, ER-style.

Frederik B, Friday, 28 February 2014 21:30 (ten years ago) link

It was a good episode. I still miss troy. But they are doing something about that. The Chang plot was great, and the final visual gag.

you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Friday, 28 February 2014 22:11 (ten years ago) link

Good ep but one gag fell flat due to recent key and peele Halloween ep gag that is far superior

this episode is why I am so glad Harmon is back... less funny, but like 100x more interesting (and still pretty funny!). that Key and Peele sketch was so good it's not even fair to compare other stuff to it.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Saturday, 1 March 2014 09:29 (ten years ago) link

The character's name is Police Justice.

wow such doge of venice (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 1 March 2014 14:37 (ten years ago) link

Was it resolved whether Chang was actually at the reception? I love the idea of the janitor and/or theatre audience just randomly messing with him.

jmm, Saturday, 1 March 2014 14:43 (ten years ago) link

Daaaark episode but I really enjoyed it, thought this one did all the character and relationship-building stuff the previous one should have. There's still loads of potential in building the Jeff and Duncan double-act.

Britta's character has been hard-done by in the last couple of seasons but they're doing great things with her this time round.

Matt DC, Saturday, 1 March 2014 15:03 (ten years ago) link

When does Oliver's HBO show start?

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 1 March 2014 15:06 (ten years ago) link

I feel for Duncan.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 1 March 2014 15:12 (ten years ago) link

loved the abed stuff so much

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 2 March 2014 01:19 (ten years ago) link

good ep. loved Chang's bit and Britta getting some respect again

Nhex, Sunday, 2 March 2014 06:19 (ten years ago) link

I'm in love with Britta when they do her well.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 2 March 2014 14:05 (ten years ago) link

That was so good. One of their best episodes yet.

jmm, Friday, 7 March 2014 01:47 (ten years ago) link

Best episode since S3.

oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Friday, 7 March 2014 10:34 (ten years ago) link

LOL @ The Apple reference, with the holographic triangles.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 7 March 2014 18:05 (ten years ago) link

KOOGLER

wow such doge of venice (King Boy Pato), Friday, 7 March 2014 20:22 (ten years ago) link

Loving the expansion of the Hurwitz/Harmon mutual admiration society.

Charles, hatless (sic), Friday, 7 March 2014 22:23 (ten years ago) link

I didn't really find Koogler very funny but the rest of the episode was A+++.

I notice they didn't include Magnitude in that episode because he would really have blown the Meowmeowbeanz system wide open.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 March 2014 22:57 (ten years ago) link

Jeff and Shirley rivalry episodes are so great.

Matt DC, Friday, 7 March 2014 23:04 (ten years ago) link

Didn't get any of the references (I'm told Hunger Games was one...?), still loved it. Very laff-heavy episode, especially after last week's...in fact, probably the most laff-heavy of the conceptual game-takes-over-Greendale eps.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 7 March 2014 23:12 (ten years ago) link

amazing. another reference I'm sure…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJkbVAs8rjo

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 8 March 2014 01:00 (ten years ago) link

Logan's Run, Zardoz, The Apple, and Brave New World

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 8 March 2014 02:01 (ten years ago) link

Where did Koogler come from? Did I miss something (nb only watched a little bit of S4).

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 8 March 2014 02:39 (ten years ago) link

mitch hurwitz played koogler, he and harmon have become fast friends over the past year or so (dan had a cameo in the netflix arrested development episodes) so i think they were just finding something for hurwitz to do / spoofing on goofy college movies.

Clay, Saturday, 8 March 2014 02:46 (ten years ago) link

Oh so he was a new character to that episode. Gotcha.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 8 March 2014 02:47 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiqWPa368q0

balls, Saturday, 8 March 2014 02:54 (ten years ago) link

ha, i saw that movie about a dozen times

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Saturday, 8 March 2014 03:51 (ten years ago) link

Hurwitz has been on a few episodes of Harmon's podcast lately, and is generally hilarious.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 8 March 2014 06:03 (ten years ago) link

meowmeowbeenz

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 8 March 2014 06:19 (ten years ago) link

Who was the keytar lady with Tim & Eric?

Nhex, Saturday, 8 March 2014 18:48 (ten years ago) link

Also yeah, liked this episode - Shirley/Jeff always a good pairing, oddly

Nhex, Saturday, 8 March 2014 18:56 (ten years ago) link

xpost It looked like Jen Kirkman

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Saturday, 8 March 2014 19:36 (ten years ago) link

is The Apple quite the cult thing, I've *never* heard of it, and I've seen a lot of shit in my time. (Hello Xanadu)

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Sunday, 9 March 2014 09:08 (ten years ago) link

meant to add - had to watch this a second time. just terrific - might be my favourite episode ever.

And because of the Buck Rogers link in my head I was reminder of the South Park that riffed heavily on that I'm just going to post it (again)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8cHYvf7Mms

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Sunday, 9 March 2014 09:11 (ten years ago) link

That sent me down a trail of Buck Rogers clips. Never saw this show. Wasted youth :(
Buck Rogers Disco Dancing! biddibiddibiddibiddi It's expressive. Really impressed by how the musician figured out what the hell dumbass Buck wanted.

Øystein, Sunday, 9 March 2014 10:44 (ten years ago) link

Well the Apple is about disco fascism, and at some points in the movie they decide everyone has to wear these holographic triangles at all times. Pretty sure there was a direct reference to that.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 9 March 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link

this episode was so so great.

you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Sunday, 9 March 2014 23:02 (ten years ago) link

up there with dungeons & dragons and 1st paintball

you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Sunday, 9 March 2014 23:02 (ten years ago) link

When I clocked they were parodying 60s/70s sci-fi I laughed like a bastard.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 9 March 2014 23:05 (ten years ago) link

yeah it was the background music/'tones' playing when you first see jeff-as-a-4 that did it

post-commercial break, all the plebs being in communist jumpsuits and the all the 5s dressed up decadent Romans

Nhex, Monday, 10 March 2014 03:05 (ten years ago) link

the music when Tim Heidecker catches Jeff with a 2. so good.

POO: the blossom or full flower of the evening (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 10 March 2014 03:09 (ten years ago) link

he was soooo creepy in that bit, which movie was that a reference to

Nhex, Monday, 10 March 2014 03:14 (ten years ago) link

omfg Dean's freestyle rap

Neanderthal, Friday, 14 March 2014 02:06 (ten years ago) link

and the cheesy pic on the Chemistry book cover...the VHS interactive game....wow.

Neanderthal, Friday, 14 March 2014 02:06 (ten years ago) link

OMG VINCE GILLIGAN'S GUEST SPOT

Neanderthal, Friday, 14 March 2014 02:19 (ten years ago) link

Dean's rap killed me. Everything about it. Amazing.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Friday, 14 March 2014 02:22 (ten years ago) link

Barack Obama is SCAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRED OF ME

Neanderthal, Friday, 14 March 2014 02:36 (ten years ago) link

the guest stars in this episode! brie larson! spencer from harmontown! vince gilligan? paul williams? gina gershon?

Clay, Friday, 14 March 2014 08:54 (ten years ago) link

SPENCER

Charles, hatless (sic), Friday, 14 March 2014 12:14 (ten years ago) link

Perfect episode in every way. Dean's rap probably the funniest moment of the season. I was in tears.

How in the fuck did this show stay so fucking good after Glover left?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 14 March 2014 13:38 (ten years ago) link

OMG VINCE GILLIGAN'S GUEST SPOT

― Neanderthal

His identity was bugging me so much, finally twigged who he was in the coda.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Friday, 14 March 2014 14:39 (ten years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fSW3vmRpV0

Johnny Fever, Friday, 14 March 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link

He looks so at sea in the coda with Gina gershon. Makes me love him all the more.

TheMenzies, Friday, 14 March 2014 15:03 (ten years ago) link

Supposedly he kept protesting to Harmon "I'm not an actor!" Harmon's response was basically, "Great! Use that!"

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 14 March 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link

Oh right, he's dressed as a PayDay bar, duh

Dan I., Friday, 14 March 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link

so fucking funny!!!!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 14 March 2014 21:21 (ten years ago) link

The more I watch it, the more I'm convinced it's the funniest gag to ever happen on Community.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 14 March 2014 21:27 (ten years ago) link

Gilligan was awesome, I died when they fired up that vhs game

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 14 March 2014 21:28 (ten years ago) link

I played so many of those shitty games as a kid...such a good sendup.

Neanderthal, Friday, 14 March 2014 21:30 (ten years ago) link

The more I watch it, the more I'm convinced it's the funniest gag to ever happen on Community.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, March 14, 2014 5:27 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my bro and I replayed the "Barack Obama is scared of me" part until we were sufficiently laughed out and could move on

Neanderthal, Friday, 14 March 2014 21:31 (ten years ago) link

i like you can see the fear in his eyes when he starts to go off

balls, Friday, 14 March 2014 23:36 (ten years ago) link

"all the black man gets is a PLATE OF WHITE LIES" while Shirley looks completely petrified

Neanderthal, Friday, 14 March 2014 23:37 (ten years ago) link

The moment when drops the mic is perfectly timed.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 15 March 2014 02:30 (ten years ago) link

And the sight of a huge Payday skittering out of the room...I fucking lost it.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 15 March 2014 03:02 (ten years ago) link

The payday gag was lost somewhere over the altantic. I assume it's some kind of snack bar.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 15 March 2014 03:35 (ten years ago) link

Making an early 90s VCR game the central conceit of an episode gives me the feeling that Dan Harmon et al are gloriously flying the Enterprise straight into the sun just to see what they can get away with.

President Frankenstein (kingfish), Saturday, 15 March 2014 07:01 (ten years ago) link

Ps we had the I, Robot VCR game when I was 13

President Frankenstein (kingfish), Saturday, 15 March 2014 07:03 (ten years ago) link

This episode was great. And now I also know that my complete dragon strike boardgame at home is worth something.

POO: the blossom or full flower of the evening (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 15 March 2014 07:30 (ten years ago) link

this was a brilliant episode, and still for all that dean pelton was the MVP

you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Saturday, 15 March 2014 11:46 (ten years ago) link

Chang's confession was great too

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 March 2014 13:16 (ten years ago) link

On some level the show feels less ambitious than it did in season 2, even though its basically doing the same thing. Only then it felt like "who knows where this could go?" And now its "celebrations of obscure reference points that still focus on the emotional dynamics between the characters, that's what we do." I used to worry the show would turn Family Guy but its got way too much heart to do that right now. So it's a little low impact and I can't imagine non-nerd people who aren't already into it getting into it, but I don't care because I'm so grateful for it.

da croupier, Saturday, 15 March 2014 15:23 (ten years ago) link

Great episode!

And wow, Gina Gershon has been taking care of herself.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 15 March 2014 17:17 (ten years ago) link

D&D episode next week!

jmm, Saturday, 15 March 2014 17:19 (ten years ago) link

nice

POO: the blossom or full flower of the evening (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 15 March 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link

is Spencer coming back for it?

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 March 2014 18:56 (ten years ago) link

"we didnt learn nothin"

Neanderthal, Saturday, 15 March 2014 18:58 (ten years ago) link

best part was gillian jacobs turning around after the dean scutters away, brief moment where she looks like she's about to lose her shit

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Saturday, 15 March 2014 19:27 (ten years ago) link

yeah i caught that too, she's almost in pain keeping it in

balls, Saturday, 15 March 2014 19:29 (ten years ago) link

Both her and Joel look directly at the camera for a split second

President Frankenstein (kingfish), Sunday, 16 March 2014 01:35 (ten years ago) link

also loved the bit where abed and annie shared a look that basically said "we do not want britta to live with us"

you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Sunday, 16 March 2014 08:22 (ten years ago) link

Thought that last episode was mixed. The VHS half was enjoyable, especially Gilligan, but not really actual-laughing-funny. The textbook story was kind of boring and confusing.

I've really enjoyed this season, but something about it is almost starting to remind of Red Dwarf, although maybe that's just a hangover from last week.

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 16 March 2014 18:15 (ten years ago) link

The textbook part was the most conventional part of the ep!

Neanderthal, Sunday, 16 March 2014 18:58 (ten years ago) link

It did kind of remind me of that lame episode where everyone was stuck in the garage at a Thanksgiving dinner for some reason.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 16 March 2014 19:00 (ten years ago) link

eh I thought it was cute they had Vince Gilligan in the nerdy storyline while the rest of the cast was in a BB style heist & betrayal plot

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Sunday, 16 March 2014 19:37 (ten years ago) link

The vcr game was hilar cos some of those games were convoluted and ridiculous.

Neanderthal, Sunday, 16 March 2014 20:04 (ten years ago) link

not quite sure what the exemplars were of the genre that the textbook plot was based on, but the musical cues were perfect.

eric banana (s.clover), Sunday, 16 March 2014 20:46 (ten years ago) link

a simple plan

balls, Sunday, 16 March 2014 20:46 (ten years ago) link

i love that beat where Gilligan gives an instruction on the game and then he pauses forever til you think the tape is stuck and then he yells GO or whatever

brought back vhs game memories

also the convoluted rules made me lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 16 March 2014 21:38 (ten years ago) link

cf in parks and recs Ben Wyatt's Settlers of Catan geek out and the ridiculous game he invented and bequeathed to his bean counter colleagues

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Sunday, 16 March 2014 22:01 (ten years ago) link

yeah the vcr game details were nailed so great i have no idea how that played to someone who never played one of those awful games

balls, Sunday, 16 March 2014 22:16 (ten years ago) link

we had one that our aunt gave us & it had like 900 perforated cardboard pieces, we tried playing it & it was so boring & confusing. i think it was pirate themed? maybe? idk. mum was mad we didnt play it more and we were like mum it's the WORST

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 16 March 2014 22:20 (ten years ago) link

I'd never even heard of VCR games before, but the basic idea came across right away. Also the characters had no idea either -- bafflement was the whole point.

jmm, Sunday, 16 March 2014 22:31 (ten years ago) link

yeah i'd never played one but the concept was clear and hilarious

da croupier, Sunday, 16 March 2014 22:38 (ten years ago) link

I remember VCR trivia games, like it'd show you a scene from a movie and you'd have to guess the movie or something ("Scene It" I think it was called?). But our VCR was too crappy to take full advantage of something like Pile Of Bullets; the lag time between hitting FFW on the remote and the VCR actually fast-forwarding would've killed all the fun.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 16 March 2014 22:42 (ten years ago) link

Which also serves as a reminder that every single robocop thing except for the original Verhoeven flick has been garbage

President Frankenstein (kingfish), Sunday, 16 March 2014 22:42 (ten years ago) link

my vcr board game story: we used to have atmosfear - http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/1881/atmosfear-the-harbingers - when i was growing up. we tried playing it once or twice and then it got tucked into a random vcr box until a few years later when my then ~2yo sister turned it on thinking it was a baby genius movie. she was so frightened that from then on if you asked her if she wanted to watch baby genius she'd say, "no, too scary."

Mordy , Sunday, 16 March 2014 22:53 (ten years ago) link

lool

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 16 March 2014 22:55 (ten years ago) link

haha that's awesome

balls, Sunday, 16 March 2014 23:06 (ten years ago) link

I used to have this one basketball VCR game but it was shitty because unless you picked a random point to start the VHS tape (thus delaying the start of the game), every game always started the same! DVDs kinda brought back this type of thing since it's easier to jump around (ie, SceneIt etc).

and then our friends growing up had us playing a horse race betting game, thus exposing me to gambling at a nice right age.

also did anybody ever play the interactive CAptain Power game shit?

Neanderthal, Sunday, 16 March 2014 23:17 (ten years ago) link

not quite sure what the exemplars were of the genre that the textbook plot was based on, but the musical cues were perfect.

― eric banana (s.clover), Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:46 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't know that it was meant to be anything more than 'hey it's organized crime/drug cartel shit only with textbooks instead'.

Neanderthal, Sunday, 16 March 2014 23:23 (ten years ago) link

was thinking googling "heist gone wrong" would yield some good results but didn't bother.

eric banana (s.clover), Monday, 17 March 2014 00:32 (ten years ago) link

nah i'm struggling to think of other examples than a simple plan but basically the plot involves small group of friends find some loot that's possibly ill gotten, decide to split it up amongst themselves instead of report it or whatever and then eventually greed and paranoia lead them to betray and destroy each other until whatever larger powerful evil force the loot originally belonged to arrives to deliver the final blow. no country for old men has elements of this, treasure of sierra madre as well but there are some that fit it more specifically. basically a variation on monkey's paw.

balls, Monday, 17 March 2014 00:38 (ten years ago) link

Not sure if mentioned here but VCR star was the dude who created breaking bad hence drug deal subplot

she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Monday, 17 March 2014 00:40 (ten years ago) link

the captain power video tapes were more like a video game where you use the toy jet as the controller
here's a link the second tape

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6nqsq_captain-power-training-video-2-bio_shortfilms

I believe you have to destroy the sears tower

jbn, Monday, 17 March 2014 00:44 (ten years ago) link

i'm struggling to think of other examples

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Men_and_a_Comic_Book

something about it is almost starting to remind of Red Dwarf

Most inexplicable comparison between two things I have heard all year.

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Monday, 17 March 2014 02:07 (ten years ago) link

I'm not really sure why I felt that (probably just the sci-fi association from last week) but something definitely sent a Chris Barrie -shaped shiver down my back. Something about the lameness and intransigence of the characters and being in a confined situation. But it passed pretty quickly.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 17 March 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link

nah i'm struggling to think of other examples than a simple plan but basically the plot involves small group of friends find some loot that's possibly ill gotten, decide to split it up amongst themselves instead of report it or whatever and then eventually greed and paranoia lead them to betray and destroy each other until whatever larger powerful evil force the loot originally belonged to arrives to deliver the final blow.
Like you mentioned, Treasure of the Sierra Madre is probably the best example of this trope. I'm really fond of Shallow Grave with Christopher Eccleston and Ewan McGregor

Nhex, Monday, 17 March 2014 14:23 (ten years ago) link

can't believe i forgot shallow grave

balls, Monday, 17 March 2014 14:29 (ten years ago) link

Don't know why it never occurred to me that Community is basically a sub-par spinoff/reimagination of this,
http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130711002842/recess/images/7/7f/Recess.jpg

tsrobodo, Monday, 17 March 2014 17:41 (ten years ago) link

no.

Nhex, Monday, 17 March 2014 17:48 (ten years ago) link

yes.

You've got your inspirational speech making de-facto leader white guy,
Your (budding) firebrand anarchist,
your black sporty guy that hides a nerdy side,
Your rotund, impossibly kind person with a not so hidden dark side,
Your diabolical snitch that wants to be a part of the gang,
Your supporting cast of people defined by singular weird traits,
Your infinitely moldable school environment

I can't be the only one that sees it.

tsrobodo, Monday, 17 March 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link

So what you're saying is Community is a situation comedy

Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Monday, 17 March 2014 19:29 (ten years ago) link

If all situational comedies share the aforementioned tropes, then yes.

tsrobodo, Monday, 17 March 2014 19:58 (ten years ago) link

Or in other words, no.

tsrobodo, Monday, 17 March 2014 19:58 (ten years ago) link

"supporting cast of people defined by singular weird traits"

and there was that one time when there was a misunderstanding about a thing that caused an unlikely situation

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:02 (ten years ago) link

and that episode where they were in a room together and didn't leave the room

eric banana (s.clover), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:05 (ten years ago) link

You've got your inspirational speech making de-facto leader guy: Cliff Huxtable
Your (budding) firebrand anarchist: Denise
your black sporty guy that hides a nerdy side: Theo
Your rotund, impossibly kind person with a not so hidden dark side: Rudy's friend, forget the kid's name
Your diabolical snitch that wants to be a part of the gang: Rudy
Your supporting cast of people defined by singular weird traits: Cliff's parents, Cockroach, Sondra, Elvin, Tito Puente, Art Blakey.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:34 (ten years ago) link

Jeez why are some people so unnecessarily defensive of this show? I'm not knocking it at all, I was (I thought) clearly trolling when I compared it unfavourably with a Sunday morning Disney cartoon (albeit a very good one). Regardless, the similarities are more than incidental.

Had no idea that The Cosby Show was set in a school.

tsrobodo, Monday, 17 March 2014 20:52 (ten years ago) link

Oh man if you think this thread is bad for being defensive about this show, you better stay away from The A/V Club.

an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 17 March 2014 20:55 (ten years ago) link

what kind of pussy trolls and then whines over ppl's reaction their trolling? jesus

balls, Monday, 17 March 2014 20:56 (ten years ago) link

Haha "why so standoffish I was clearly trolling"

da croupier, Monday, 17 March 2014 20:57 (ten years ago) link

Xpost

da croupier, Monday, 17 March 2014 20:57 (ten years ago) link

Had no idea that The Cosby Show was set in a school.

A character learned something in every episode. Sounds like a school to me.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 17 March 2014 21:00 (ten years ago) link

wtf? I mean I maintain a pretty loose definition of what trolling is "Being facetious/tongue in cheek" would probably have illustrated that better, but I missed the part where trolling was defined as some kind of internet lifestyle choice that demands dedication and commitment.

A character learned something in every episode. Sounds like a school to me.

good for you.

tsrobodo, Monday, 17 March 2014 21:06 (ten years ago) link

The problem wasn't that you were trolling, it's that you were trolling really, really poorly

Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 01:23 (ten years ago) link

lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 03:16 (ten years ago) link

and trolling is one of the most pointless things in the world, so you failed at one of the most pointless things in the world. we aren't angry at your trolling. we're angry that we have to pity you.

you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 08:00 (ten years ago) link

Oh please, could you be more precious? If trolling is something that requires any amount of effort then the chances are I probably wasn't. It was a quaint observation that occurred to me because Recess had an episode called "The Ratings Game" that played out in a very similar fashion to "App Development and Condiments".

and it's not like I'm the first person to notice this.
http://0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/55/40/917016309d819712fdde60ae88317d96.jpg

Surely failing at one of the most pointless things in the world would be immaterial, yet you feel compelled to pity somebody and on top of that feel angry about it? I ain't the one with a problem here.

tsrobodo, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 10:38 (ten years ago) link

you totally britta-ed that trolling

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 10:49 (ten years ago) link

mehh. Guess I haven't built up enough goodwill here to merit the botd, even if I genuinely meant no harm.

tsrobodo, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 11:00 (ten years ago) link

did anyone else feel like the Hurwitz and Gilligan cameos were almost like a gratuitous acknowledgment of this season's celebration of the return of the show's showrunner/auteur

The Greta Gerwig In The Sky (some dude), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 11:37 (ten years ago) link

shut up we need to make more posts about recess

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 13:16 (ten years ago) link

It is peculiar that two big dude showrunners have cameo'd recently but considering their bits were great and unrelated to their day jobs I can't see holding it against the show.

da croupier, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 14:07 (ten years ago) link

tsrobodo, the only person who seems to be angry here is you. you have a weirdly pass/agg approach to ilxing, maybe its not for you?

you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 14:09 (ten years ago) link

As long as its only distracting for the nerdiest of TV nerds I'm fine if next week has David milch as a custodian in a rainbow wig.

da croupier, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 14:11 (ten years ago) link

Funny that the only person that's even intimated at anger here is you. Oh and I'm doing fine, thanks for your concern though.

tsrobodo, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 14:29 (ten years ago) link

did anyone else feel like the Hurwitz and Gilligan cameos were almost like a gratuitous acknowledgment of this season's celebration of the return of the show's showrunner/auteur

Harmon's appearance in Arrested Development was obviously symbolising his being cast out from the NBC and Sony families, as he was in the desert. And further, representing the Harmontown documentary, as it showed him having found an ersatz support group/cult that would pay to be abused, and give him a place to do pointless "work".

Charles, hatless (sic), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 14:30 (ten years ago) link

i don't actually think anyone here is really angry or really pitying you, we just don't seem to be responding to your thing about the cartoon show the way you wanted us to? but i mean that's cool - i mean, i'm not american so i have no idea what that cartoon show is. i'm just confused about whether you are trolling or not, and how we should be responding to your trolling? but its really no big deal, and apologies if i seemed like a dick above.

you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 14:45 (ten years ago) link

how we should be responding to your trolling?

Ignoring trolling is usually the way to go, but hey, you guys seem to be having fun w it.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 14:52 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, I probably shouldn't have taken that so literally. And I guess I'd figured the comparison might not mean all that much to most. Recess first aired in 97 when I was 6 and ilx generally trends a fair bit older than that.

To clarify, it wasn't my intention to troll the thread, genuinely thought that nobody would think I was seriously calling Community sub-par in comparison to Sunday morning Disney.

But you're right its nbd. Apologies for any misunderstanding.

tsrobodo, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:20 (ten years ago) link

no hard feelings, and glad to quash the beef!
http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4p3ar8wle1rx19c0o1_500.gif

you are clinically deaf and should sell you iPod (stevie), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:24 (ten years ago) link

yeah definitely
http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/fistbumpdone.gif

tsrobodo, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:47 (ten years ago) link

As long as its only distracting for the nerdiest of TV nerds.

by which of course you mean this shows' audience

Clay, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:52 (ten years ago) link

crickets huh

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Saturday, 22 March 2014 08:18 (ten years ago) link

didn't think this was great. honestly should've been a 2-parter it all felt so rushed and felt like half of it was missing anyway, didn't really do anything for hickey's character. felt sorta halfassed tbh.

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Saturday, 22 March 2014 08:24 (ten years ago) link

cross felt miscast to me

Clay, Saturday, 22 March 2014 08:31 (ten years ago) link

Awful episode. One or two eps of Season 4 were actually better than this. I don't give enough of a crap about Hickey for him to be bringing in one-episode tertiary characters in his orbit as an excuse to re-hash a much better earlier episode, and the writing didn't make it sound as if the established main characters did either. And I love love love David Cross, but, uh, two characters being dicks to each other is sometimes just two characters being dicks to each other even if you give them a backstory. I mean, Fat Neil was less established but the interactions were far more natural, well-paced and the game was a lot funnier.

oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Saturday, 22 March 2014 08:34 (ten years ago) link

I thought it was pretty funny, but it also seemed like a misstep and a pointless rehash. In his interview with Sepinwall, Harmon also says as much. Which gives me hopes for season six.

Frederik B, Saturday, 22 March 2014 08:43 (ten years ago) link

Interesting - I kind of hated the first one and thought this was a lot funnier. Iirc the first one was where they first turned up the meanness dial on chevy's character and kind of ruined him.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 22 March 2014 09:38 (ten years ago) link

yeah i thought it was totally better than the first. jim rash definitely episode MVP.

The Greta Gerwig In The Sky (some dude), Saturday, 22 March 2014 11:11 (ten years ago) link

Honestly I was just happy to see Jim Rash get a load of screen time this episode. This season has been great but the Dean has been criminally underused given he steals every scene he's in.

Matt DC, Saturday, 22 March 2014 12:11 (ten years ago) link

I would rather he be used sparingly but creatively than for him to be wearing a dress and saying "dean the dean dean dean" in every episode again

The Greta Gerwig In The Sky (some dude), Saturday, 22 March 2014 14:52 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, it was great to see Rash given more to do, and the sword/hug thing was genius. But overall, it felt like they were trying to shoehorn Banks and Cross into a world that they hadn't really grown into yet.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 22 March 2014 15:04 (ten years ago) link

The Dean writing those letters was the best part of a pretty middling episode.

Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Saturday, 22 March 2014 15:14 (ten years ago) link

the letters were all time

POO: the blossom or full flower of the evening (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 22 March 2014 15:28 (ten years ago) link

not as poignant as the first D&D episode but still pretty entertaining

Nhex, Saturday, 22 March 2014 16:15 (ten years ago) link

it was ok, kinda meh for me

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 22 March 2014 16:24 (ten years ago) link

I feel like I should be excited about this, but I'm actually kind of dreading it:
http://www.avclub.com/article/heres-what-communitys-gi-joe-episode-looks-and-now-202517
http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/5039/15/16x9/640.jpg

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 22 March 2014 16:40 (ten years ago) link

i love the look already. my only request: they do some kind of parody of the absurd movie theme song

they've already done The Professional EVERYONNNNNNNE three times this season, so I don't think it's far out of reach

Nhex, Saturday, 22 March 2014 17:13 (ten years ago) link

totally agree that this felt underbaked and missing a third act - doubly bummed because the first D&D episode is probably my favourite half hour of community, and I think the format is smart enough to be revisited, just not as it was this time around (though, on rescreening the first D&D episode the other day, yes, it's the episode where Pierce is broken so he cannot be fixed).

FUCK BINGO LET'S COMPASSION (stevie), Sunday, 23 March 2014 10:32 (ten years ago) link

I enjoyed this ep. My gf had never seen the first, so we watched that one before this, and I really did think that one was a great example of using genre jokes as a way to highlight character interaction.

https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/s640x640/1488686_10152301645868184_1921312675_n.jpg

President Frankenstein (kingfish), Tuesday, 25 March 2014 05:51 (ten years ago) link

i laughed at a lot in this episode - some of the best abed and dean bits of the season - but making the plots revolve around hickey is a real cousin oliver thing to do.

da croupier, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 14:12 (ten years ago) link

not even a dis on breaking bad dude - you just can't take a long-running show centered around a group dynamic and make it all about the new guy until he's actually part of that dynamic.

da croupier, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 14:16 (ten years ago) link

but that's what they sorta did with Fat Neil!

Nhex, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 14:31 (ten years ago) link

nah that episode was pretty central in the pierce arc of the season

da croupier, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 14:32 (ten years ago) link

hickey's been around for ten or so episodes and had several plots working around him and his relationship with members of the group

Clay, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 14:33 (ten years ago) link

yeah, that's quite a bit for a cousin oliver, and then to have one where he works out his shit with his son while actors who've been on the show five years watch, it's a bit much. again, i laughed plenty, but focusing your attention so aggressively on The New Guy is a danger zone.

da croupier, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 14:36 (ten years ago) link

clay otm, plus this episode gave lots of opportunities for everyone to shout things and generally be funny, but I admit I could be overly generous with that

Nhex, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 14:45 (ten years ago) link

like, the plot was literally "new guy has cliche beef with son, everybody helps new guy" with only dean's boner for jeff getting any attention as far as the ongoing group dynamic goes. lots of funny shit, but that's pretty thin and uninvolving for a community episode.

da croupier, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 14:48 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, it was a funny episode, but the beef between David Cross and Hickey was so slim and vague I didn't care, and also the episode seemed to be missing a third act.

FUCK BINGO LET'S COMPASSION (stevie), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 15:48 (ten years ago) link

Why does it matter for how long Hickey has been part of the group? He's a human being, they help him. We invest in him because of the writing, the performance, and because, again, he's a human being.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 15:54 (ten years ago) link

It seems pretty 'be less like real life, more like a tv-show' to me.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 15:55 (ten years ago) link

harmon had said it's his least fav. ep. this season

waterbabies (waterface), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 16:01 (ten years ago) link

Ugh how hard is it to grasp that someone can find an episode funny but still note that focusing episodes of a long running show on a new character has traditional pitfalls to the degree that its one of the better known "TV tropes"

da croupier, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 16:04 (ten years ago) link

Also he's not a human being he's a sitcom character it's not sociopathy to suggest audience members might care less about his ish

da croupier, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 16:06 (ten years ago) link

I still don't think Hickey is as well-drawn a character as any of the others (compare him to, say, S1 Pierce), which may be why building an entire episode around him was a) necessary and b) still felt a bit off in terms of tone.

Like he's a slightly odd character, he worked brilliantly with Abed but the fit with Annie didn't work at all.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 16:13 (ten years ago) link

Still prefer him to Pierce x1000

Nhex, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 16:19 (ten years ago) link

Pierce had *a lot* of genuinely hilarious one-liners though.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 16:20 (ten years ago) link

like that goofy post-credits scene where he's arguing with his family over a cemetery plot was more character revealing than most episodes Pierce was in

Nhex, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 16:20 (ten years ago) link

Hickey is way more well-drawn than Fat Neil, as Nhex pointed out.

People upset at the plotting of this last episode, did you see the one with the stolen books? The one that made very little sense by it's own internal logic? Where they find the books and then start threatening each other if they snitch and then halfway through just decide not to care about them anymore? They do this every other show, it's pretty much embedded in the show. TV/movie/pop culture conventions often win out over the characters' motivations making sense.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link

The study-group trying to do something past their own interests has been a common theme of the show. Really, if Community is a show about the joy of 'community', then it has to be pretty open to new people. Otherwise, it just seems awful. I've written upthread that I think they should replace all the characters, ER-style, and just keep the show at Greendale forever. I love the new dynamics.

(also the human being stuff was a reference. Hickey is most definitely a Human Being, though he doesn't seem too proud of it)

Frederik B, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 16:39 (ten years ago) link

I kinda wondered if episodes centered on the ensemble being goofy would be brought up as proof it's normal for an episode to be centered on a new character while the ensemble acts goofy. I thought its already been noted that the last d&d was really more about pierce than fat Neil though.

da croupier, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 16:50 (ten years ago) link

In a sense, the comparison point for fat Neil would be hickey's son, not hickey

da croupier, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 16:53 (ten years ago) link

Meanwhile, six seasons and a movie...?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link

Chris Elliot!

waterbabies (waterface), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link

I know! Definitely excited about that.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 26 March 2014 17:19 (ten years ago) link

OK, looking forward to this now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2N8wLKC7bw#t=47

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 27 March 2014 18:37 (ten years ago) link

New D&D episode was funny, obv not as funny as the original. Loved the goblin interrogation scene. Also kind of loving the tacit metacommentary on the writers not knowing what to do with Shirley, though obv it's better when they actually do something with her (which is why I loved the ultimately nonsensical textbook story from the previous episode)

Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Thursday, 27 March 2014 19:00 (ten years ago) link

glimpses of Shirley's dark past are usually pretty good

Nhex, Thursday, 27 March 2014 19:07 (ten years ago) link

Where they find the books and then start threatening each other if they snitch and then halfway through just decide not to care about them anymore?

They quit caring when they found out the books were worthless! I mean, it wasn't one of my favorite episodes either, but the internal logic made sense to me - if a bit silly.

an enormous bolus of flatulence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 27 March 2014 19:39 (ten years ago) link

It was a fantastic sight gag but how did Shirley overpower and tie up both Britta and Hickey? I mean obv the answer is "who cares" but that was the logic leap for me

Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Thursday, 27 March 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link

Her kids are always off camera and help her out whenever she needs to do something like that.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 27 March 2014 21:57 (ten years ago) link

I actually loved that there was no explanation for that bit at all, like she did it by sheer magic

Nhex, Thursday, 27 March 2014 23:31 (ten years ago) link

Well like I said, it was awesome

Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Friday, 28 March 2014 02:40 (ten years ago) link

Or fantastic, which is what I actually said

Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Friday, 28 March 2014 02:40 (ten years ago) link

I have watched the first 3.5 seasons in the past two weeks. And it's good. But the SOPHIE B. HAWKINS dance is my favorite thing p. much ever. Sophie B. for life.

r. bean (soda), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 23:56 (ten years ago) link

Was it on last week? Can't find a torrent.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 00:49 (ten years ago) link

yeah they skipped last week due to march madness

balls, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 01:21 (ten years ago) link

to me and chap that sounds like "due to fevered whim"

Charles, hatless (sic), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 01:23 (ten years ago) link

you are correct

mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 01:26 (ten years ago) link

show about college kids playing gi joe characters postponed for show about college kids throwing orange balls around

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 10:19 (ten years ago) link

thought this was fun. premise was kind of a stretch, it's obv they just wanted to have fun lampooning shitty an 80's toy tie-in cartoon and needed an excuse, but I'd be lying if I said I cared. Hearing Cobra Commander say "I LOVED HIM!" made me guffaw.

Neanderthal, Friday, 4 April 2014 03:55 (ten years ago) link

also loved the fake commercials

Neanderthal, Friday, 4 April 2014 03:56 (ten years ago) link

That was awful right? Or is it just because I never watched/played with GI Joe?

The Whittrick and Puddock (dowd), Friday, 4 April 2014 06:38 (ten years ago) link

Thought this was hilarious. I never saw an entire GI Joe episode, but I remember the ads and the PSAs -- who knows, maybe I would've hated it if I didn't have any reference points.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 4 April 2014 15:20 (ten years ago) link

i watched an insane amount of gi joe, owned a ton of the toys, and was a devoted reader of the comics so i enjoyed it but i breathed a sigh of relief that there was at least a framing device. laughed at every 'i have 3 kids' but that's the second time at least this season they've gone meta w/ shirley on that front and maybe it's time to actually fix the problem instead of just acknowledging it. agreed it's probably a low for a harmon episode, this is the best version of what ppl who hate community think community is like. that a comparison to robot chicken came to mind is a bad sign. that i actually prefer the robot chicken short i'm thinking of is something i'm gonna have to assume is indicative of something wrong w/ me and not community.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW3dg9VURMU

balls, Friday, 4 April 2014 15:31 (ten years ago) link

Or is it just because I never watched/played with GI Joe?

Me neither, but I watched enough toy tie-in cartoons in the 80s to 100% get all the jokes (this must be the most squarely aimed at my generation episode yet of a show which is generally aimed very squarely at my generation indeed).

The coda got the most laughs out of me. Very clever.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 4 April 2014 15:36 (ten years ago) link

Maybe they still make cartoons like that, I dunno. The only kids' cartoons I watch are the ones that are actually for grown-ups.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 4 April 2014 15:39 (ten years ago) link

i'm just surprised they actually shelled out for a GI Joe license and it was approved!

Nhex, Friday, 4 April 2014 20:53 (ten years ago) link

love that Robot Chicken bit btw. FUMBLES!

Nhex, Friday, 4 April 2014 21:19 (ten years ago) link

The best joke was when everyone was expressing shock that Jeff was 40 and Shirley was all "well we all knew that" because of the implicit callback to the foosball episode.

Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Friday, 4 April 2014 21:45 (ten years ago) link

the suppressive fire thing made me LOL cos I was always the asshole kid who was bummed at watching cartoons cos "how intense can being shot at be when the bullets never hit anybody".

esp when I could just play Double Dragon and dome people with baseball bats

Neanderthal, Friday, 4 April 2014 22:01 (ten years ago) link

*watching these types of cartoons, that should say

Neanderthal, Friday, 4 April 2014 22:01 (ten years ago) link

This was entertaining. I never cared about GI Joe as a kid cos army stuff was too mundane, I was into wizards and dragons and ghosts. Also talking cat people and giant robots made of lions.

Really great production job on this! They even had accurate film grain and other animation artifacts! But I really couldn't get into the story. Maybe I missed lots of past references to Jeff's alcoholism, but the whole real world premise felt like it came from out of nowhere, and was there to lend weight to a pretty flimsy premise. Is this the first time Jeff has drank himself into the hospital? Feels like his drinking has never interfered in any other way, and now it's suddenly he's trying to kill himself w scotch. Maybe I'm wrong.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 4 April 2014 23:18 (ten years ago) link

GI Joe was not mundane army stuff lol

Nhex, Friday, 4 April 2014 23:38 (ten years ago) link

he was taking weird anti-aging drugs he bought from a street vendor or something, not just alcohol. but yeah, flimsy. the ads were the most hilarious part, so spot on.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Saturday, 5 April 2014 05:32 (ten years ago) link

i thought this was p fun! and I liked that it was really simple and flimsy... that's what made it work with the cartoon, even the wrap up in the hospital was super-cheesy and dorky like a cartoon wrapup. the psa at the end was great.

hat-muffs dude was my favorite

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 5 April 2014 06:38 (ten years ago) link

balls otm, esp that's the second time at least this season they've gone meta w/ shirley on that front and maybe it's time to actually fix the problem instead of just acknowledging it.

there was a definite cool-factor in tupac's hologram (stevie), Saturday, 5 April 2014 06:49 (ten years ago) link

hat muffs -- was that just throwaway odd/silly, or reffing something specific?

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 5 April 2014 10:39 (ten years ago) link

The double-level meta to Jeff's character reducing Shirley to a caricature because he doesn't want to acknowledge that they are peers along with the show not knowing what to do with Shirley almost saves it.

Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Saturday, 5 April 2014 14:42 (ten years ago) link

Sometimes this show is like going to see a band that has an obviously great taste in music and not a song goes by that doesn't remind you of something you love but in the end the cleverness of their influences doesn't really add up to anything memorable.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 5 April 2014 14:56 (ten years ago) link

I guess *zing* meta commentary right there, I've falled into DH's plan all along, and besides I'm his target audience, been watching since the beginning. Just feels like sometimes he gets careless about hiding the seams.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 5 April 2014 14:57 (ten years ago) link

the premise was a bit flimsy so I wouldn't put this in my upper echelon of Community episodes, but it brought the LOLs.

also I'm glad to see feminist/pseudo-political Britta back in full force...after how they mangled her a bit last year.

Neanderthal, Saturday, 5 April 2014 17:20 (ten years ago) link

Did it bring the lols? For me it was just an example of a concept overwhelming the jokes. But then I felt the same way with the animated xmas ep. But yeah, there were very few jokes in this ep, no? Less than usual.

The Whittrick and Puddock (dowd), Saturday, 5 April 2014 19:04 (ten years ago) link

I thought it had plenty of lols, certainly moreso than...than another recent episode I can't remember offhand that was largely lol-free but still good, a la the episode where they spent Troy's birthday in a bar.

I thought all of the Cobra commander's lines were hilarious, as were Jeff's questions about cartoon life, and the subsequent answers (e.g., characters had never seen anyone naked or gone to the bathroom).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 5 April 2014 21:26 (ten years ago) link

the only eye-rolly part for me is making Cobra Commander say "for realsies", but I for real laughed out loud at his anecdote about Destro asking him about painting his face all in chrome...

Neanderthal, Saturday, 5 April 2014 21:27 (ten years ago) link

this one was written by Starburns. I feel that in his episodes the concepts overwhelm because he doesn't care about the characters

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Saturday, 5 April 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link

Sounds like his other shows tbh

Nhex, Sunday, 6 April 2014 01:32 (ten years ago) link

My god, the pathos of the Dean trying to commit suicide by vending machine.

I actually thought that every actor played an absolute blinder in that one. The scene at the end with Duncan and Hickey was so great.

Matt DC, Friday, 11 April 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link

Dazzling episode.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Saturday, 12 April 2014 00:25 (ten years ago) link

Is all the Subway stuff a swipe at Chuck and the series-extending Subway product placement?

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Saturday, 12 April 2014 15:07 (ten years ago) link

or I guess it's the same product placement deal Chuck had, except Harmon got to make Subway into a villain instead of having characters showing up with footlongs all the time.

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Saturday, 12 April 2014 15:15 (ten years ago) link

subway was big brother in the 1984 episode a couple of seasons back

balls, Saturday, 12 April 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link

huge lol at starburns cranking the dave

balls, Saturday, 12 April 2014 15:35 (ten years ago) link

Dave!

Belgian Flanders Albums Chart (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 12 April 2014 15:40 (ten years ago) link

That was hilarious.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 12 April 2014 15:55 (ten years ago) link

Skunkthorpe

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 13 April 2014 01:07 (ten years ago) link

I felt sad during the scene with britta and jeff (which was awesome, btw), because it *did remind me so much of the series at the start - the chemistry between the two of them, the 'will=they/won't-they' thing the series comprehensively outgrew - and it made me feel sad that this season, while better than the one that preceded it, has been patchy, and feels like the end, and that the show had *so much potential - and often fulfilled it, mind - but that it seems to have been limping along since halfway through the third season or so, and it didn't have to be that way, and if Chevy or Dan Harmon hadn't been so assholish, and if Sony or NBC had had more luck with the show, and Donald Glover hadn't bolted, it could have maintained that level until the end. which may not be true, but i felt a pang of "if only" in that moment.

there was a definite cool-factor in tupac's hologram (stevie), Sunday, 13 April 2014 21:02 (ten years ago) link

I pretty much think Seasons 1-3 were impeccable, and agree that this year has been better than 4 but not perfect.

I'm ok with them hanging it up after this. It's not going out on top, but it's going out a lot better than it would have after Season 4. This is the type of show that always had a finite shelf life re: quality control, and part of me had wished they were gonna wrap it up after 3.

still, can't complain given the number of lols it gave this year.

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Sunday, 13 April 2014 21:16 (ten years ago) link

also yeah Glover leaving hurt. Pierce being gone wasn't even a thing really - they essentially had a "Pierce episode" without him even having to appear! But removing 1/2 of Troy and Abed left too many gaps, although I was pleasantly surprised that they still managed to churn out some great episodes afterwards.

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Sunday, 13 April 2014 21:17 (ten years ago) link

i feel like its a show that needs 20+ episodes a season to make sense, so half of them can be whacky conceptual episodes, and the other half can develop characters and move the "plot" along. this season feels like there were another 12 episodes that i missed, which explain who hickey is and what's going on. 13 episodes is too short. it almost feels like they haven't 'earned' wildcards like the the GI Joe episode, like this season was all sprinkles and no ice cream.

but yeah, it's glover's absence that hurts most. it makes this season feel like the aerosmith album they cut while joe perry was out of the band.

there was a definite cool-factor in tupac's hologram (stevie), Sunday, 13 April 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link

pretty sure the good money is on another half-season pickup

it's a trilby (Clay), Sunday, 13 April 2014 21:42 (ten years ago) link

After this season, they're 3 episodes away from the 100 required for syndication. I can't imagine Sony not picking it up for at least a shortened season.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 13 April 2014 21:47 (ten years ago) link

yeah, i'd heard as much. i wish they'd get a full season though - like, it seems like this season is ending just as they're getting into their flow.

there was a definite cool-factor in tupac's hologram (stevie), Sunday, 13 April 2014 21:52 (ten years ago) link

100 required for syndication

This is not a magic number in 2014 (or 2012). They're already in syndication.

brock out with your cock out (sic), Sunday, 13 April 2014 22:14 (ten years ago) link

tv by the numbers has it as a tossup but i can't imagine they don't get a final season, esp as it'll be a useful thing to send out to get slaughtered by football on cbs

balls, Sunday, 13 April 2014 22:28 (ten years ago) link

S4 is actually quite a lot funnier than the second half of S3, which really did feel like they were overstretching themselves for the first time.

i feel like its a show that needs 20+ episodes a season to make sense, so half of them can be whacky conceptual episodes, and the other half can develop characters and move the "plot" along. this season feels like there were another 12 episodes that i missed, which explain who hickey is and what's going on. 13 episodes is too short. it almost feels like they haven't 'earned' wildcards like the the GI Joe episode

This is OTM though, and Troy is irreplaceable. I still wouldn't bet against him reappearing at some point though, even if it's only as a special guest.

Matt DC, Sunday, 13 April 2014 23:14 (ten years ago) link

agreed, this show actually could use more episodes to split up the wackiness/serious episodes more evenly

that Jeff/Britta scene got me pretty good, too, to my surprise. damn, Britta <3

Nhex, Sunday, 13 April 2014 23:22 (ten years ago) link

xpost I didn't find anything in ssn 4 as funny as the 2nd half of ssn 3

I got the glares, the mutterings, the snarls (President Keyes), Monday, 14 April 2014 00:05 (ten years ago) link

The Sophie B. Hawkins Dance episode was the only one in S4 that didn't feel like a faint approximation of Community. But it still wasn't even as good as the worst S3 episodes.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 14 April 2014 00:21 (ten years ago) link

I hated the Sophie B ep

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Monday, 14 April 2014 00:28 (ten years ago) link

The second half of s3 was terrible, particularly in contrast with the first half.

Wahaca Flocka Flame (DJP), Monday, 14 April 2014 00:58 (ten years ago) link

I dunno, I didn't think it was terrible, but it definitely wildly swung for the fences and didn't necessarily succeed. Even if it didn't always bring the lols, I appreciated the shit out of it for going to stupidly absurd lengths to do so.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 14 April 2014 01:07 (ten years ago) link

i'm fine w/ second half of season 3 and season 3 in general (haven't seen it since it aired but have long suspected season 3's main problem is it had to follow season 2). looking over the episode list though the only two i recall being stone cold classics are chaos theory (obv) and xmas one that took on glee. the l&o one was awesome also but i can't pretend that has much to offer to someone not familiar w/ l&o.

balls, Monday, 14 April 2014 01:09 (ten years ago) link

the l&o one was awesome also but i can't pretend that has much to offer to someone not familiar w/ l&o.

― balls, Sunday, April 13, 2014 9:09 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ppl not familiar with l&o odds are don't own a tv tho so

wat is teh waht (s.clover), Monday, 14 April 2014 01:36 (ten years ago) link

if you watched American TV in the last 20 years you had to have seen some variant of law and order, it was broad enough

Nhex, Monday, 14 April 2014 01:40 (ten years ago) link

man the treeship generation don't even know who outkast are apparently so i'm taking nothing for granted

balls, Monday, 14 April 2014 01:58 (ten years ago) link

man can you imagine not knowing law & order at all? presumably you've also never watched tv on a plane!

da croupier, Monday, 14 April 2014 02:09 (ten years ago) link

I've never watched Law & Order.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 14 April 2014 10:23 (ten years ago) link

Sorry, I actually meant S5 has been funnier than the second half of S3. S4 was mostly depressing shit.

Matt DC, Monday, 14 April 2014 15:37 (ten years ago) link

Pretty disappointing finale, but some hilarious moments (the shushing, everyone imitating Dave at the end).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 18 April 2014 19:27 (ten years ago) link

I thought it wasn't awful, had a few really solid laughs. The jukebox door was perfect.

djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 April 2014 19:45 (ten years ago) link

Yeah, that was funny. I think I started to see what stevie was talking about upthread, though, how this really needed to be a 20+ episode season for relationships to properly develop/take root.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 18 April 2014 19:52 (ten years ago) link

Anyone notice the robot was made by Boobatron?

Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Friday, 18 April 2014 19:53 (ten years ago) link

Oh yeah, that makes complete sense. I thought they did a decent job with this one though, I liked the "canon" comment to hedge the renewal bets.

Did you catch the historic facts on the wall timeline? One of the original names considered for the town of Greendale was "Harmon's Heartbreak".

djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 April 2014 19:55 (ten years ago) link

It was a low key finale to a low key season but I'm just glad Harmon got to right the ship.

da croupier, Friday, 18 April 2014 20:21 (ten years ago) link

I really enjoyed the credits scene.

Fetchboy, Saturday, 19 April 2014 02:02 (ten years ago) link

This could have done with being more Goonies and less Deus Ex Machina I think but this really didn't have the feel of Last Episode Ever.

Best thing about this season was at no point did Chang insert his own name into any other sentence. Always hated that.

Matt DC, Saturday, 19 April 2014 09:27 (ten years ago) link

I was pretty happy with the way they handled Chang this season, until the whole reveal that he was spying on the group. That was a roll my eyes, "again!?!" kind of moment. But this season has been such a massive improvement over the last that it seems weird to hang on to such a minor complaint.

djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 21 April 2014 17:31 (ten years ago) link

he was only spying on the group for the last two episodes, thankfully... but yeah, even the show pathetically lamp-shaded it. but yeah, overal best Chang in years

Nhex, Monday, 21 April 2014 17:48 (ten years ago) link

finale was pretty bad, rmde at the whole chris elliott emoticon thing. whole chris elliott character possibly

sort of like last season's finale but with dan harmon cynicism added in

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 22 April 2014 00:36 (ten years ago) link

i wonder if/when we'll be able to get the full version of that Aimee Mann cover of "Come Sail Away"

Nhex, Tuesday, 22 April 2014 16:44 (ten years ago) link

tvline.com/2014/05/09/community-cancelled-nbc-season-6

mookieproof, Friday, 9 May 2014 18:36 (nine years ago) link

that asteroid hit's canon then

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 9 May 2014 18:47 (nine years ago) link

how long until the kickstarter launches?

Nhex, Friday, 9 May 2014 18:55 (nine years ago) link

I can't even be real mad about this, because I have no idea what stories are left to tell in a potential sixth season (much less a fucking movie). Did Troy die at sea? That's all I need to know, I guess.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 9 May 2014 18:56 (nine years ago) link

don't know if harmon can be arsed going to netflix leave alone a begging bowl kickstarter

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 9 May 2014 18:59 (nine years ago) link

I can't imagine any out there could actually be surprised by this, but it does kinda sting after how much the show bounced back with the 5th season. I guess I'll just be glad it didn't fade out after the awful Season 4.

djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 9 May 2014 19:02 (nine years ago) link

I can't even be real mad about this, because I have no idea what stories are left to tell in a potential sixth season (much less a fucking movie). Did Troy die at sea? That's all I need to know, I guess.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, May 9, 2014 2:56 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, I kind of feel the same way. Sucks that it's done, but at least it went out on a high note. Makes season 4 seem like that much more of a waste, though.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 May 2014 19:02 (nine years ago) link

I'm still not sure season 4 was so much worse than season 5 tbh. Or maybe that season 5 was so much better than its predecessor.

it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Friday, 9 May 2014 19:03 (nine years ago) link

Season 4 was 85% straight out terrible, I'm not sure how you could even equate the two.

djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 9 May 2014 19:05 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, there were massive chunks of S4 that were unwatchable; not even the worst S3 moments were that bad.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 May 2014 19:08 (nine years ago) link

Season 4 was 85% straight out terrible, I'm not sure how you could even equate the two.

maybe i was watching season 4 braced for the worst. maybe i expected better from season 5. i haven't watched episodes from either season more than once (have watched the previous 3 a bunch of times, season 3 tails off badly too). i don't know what to tell you.

it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Friday, 9 May 2014 19:10 (nine years ago) link

someone asked a netflix suit earlier this year about a possible pickup and apparently something about the syndication deal they have w/ hulu makes it very difficult for netflix (and presumably amazon) to pick it up.

balls, Friday, 9 May 2014 19:11 (nine years ago) link

i can't remember much about season 4 other than it wasn't as bad as i thought it would be. my immediate feelings about season 5 is that a lot of it didn't work, and losing troy was an unwinnable situation. and i missed chevy more than i thought i would. and they just didn't bother writing much that was interesting for shirley.

it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Friday, 9 May 2014 19:12 (nine years ago) link

although i think it was lame for dude to jet for the last 7% of the show's run because he needed to get his cornball album out, i liked the dynamic of the episodes without Troy, tbh the pairing with Abed had gotten stale to me and did a lot to limit possibilities for both characters.

some dude, Friday, 9 May 2014 19:24 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, was going to say I thought they handled Troy's absence pretty well.

djenter the dragon? (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 9 May 2014 19:26 (nine years ago) link

one thing i noticed in the commentaries for the early seasons was how they made a point of basing scenes/stories around every possible pairing or grouping of characters and found a way to make those people funny together. things like the Troy/Abed superfriendship reduced that as time went on, so it was fun to see that approach return a bit in season 5.

some dude, Friday, 9 May 2014 19:27 (nine years ago) link

Hoping the cast fatalism is long game minded - why curb audience heartbreak when it could only increase chance of cc/Hulu pick-up. But either way, wahhhhhh. Why u give me good season 5 when hit or miss s3 followed by zombie s4 let me down more gradually?

da croupier, Friday, 9 May 2014 20:23 (nine years ago) link

Harmon is in town doing a podcast taping tomorrow that I'm going to try to attend. We'll see what he says.

Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Friday, 9 May 2014 20:23 (nine years ago) link

Rick and Morty having been picked up for a 2nd season softens the blow considerably, I gotta say.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 9 May 2014 20:26 (nine years ago) link

Wish they'd at least marketed it as a farewell season instead of literally putting "six seasons and a movie" in the network promo

da croupier, Friday, 9 May 2014 20:28 (nine years ago) link

Rick and Morty isn't that good, though

chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Friday, 9 May 2014 20:31 (nine years ago) link

maybe they'll make up for the lost season and give us a Ben Hur length movie

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Friday, 9 May 2014 20:31 (nine years ago) link

tbh I would rather have a movie chronicling Alison Brie's Smirnoff party with Adam Scott

chillin' on an "awesome pretzel" hoagie (DJP), Friday, 9 May 2014 20:33 (nine years ago) link

It sucks that the show had to go out on such a low note. The season 5 finale was a mess.

jmm, Friday, 9 May 2014 20:37 (nine years ago) link

uh yeah if S5 finished on a high note, I could live with this

(Don't worry, they'll be back on some streaming thing.)

Enola Ghey (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 10 May 2014 05:41 (nine years ago) link

i'm honestly kinda fine with it ending. liked season 5 fine but I never felt this needed to be a long-tenured series. if anything I'd have been happier if 4 never happened and 5 replaced 4 and it had more of a definitive end.

getting strange ass all around the globe (Neanderthal), Saturday, 10 May 2014 05:46 (nine years ago) link

I said this above and I stand by it - had S5 been a normal length season, with a bit more light and shade, and character development between the novelty episodes, it would have been fine. But it felt rushed - cf the David Cross character in the subpar D&D episode - and suffered as a result.

it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Saturday, 10 May 2014 08:47 (nine years ago) link

super-nice of them to time this leak for the return of Harmontown

Gritty Shakur (sic), Saturday, 10 May 2014 09:32 (nine years ago) link

stevie otm

Harmontown. Dan is not nearly as upset by the news as you'd think he'd be.

https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t31.0-8/10255447_10152062727596596_8532038610208064006_o.jpg

https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t31.0-8/1979096_10152062765246596_3275127959936070356_o.jpg

Jeff is taller and skinnier than you'd expect.

https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/10250136_10152062595281596_7862423479692567925_n.jpg

I proved empirically than I am taller than Dan Harmon.

Oh yeah, and this happened:

https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10366300_10152062915821596_8729889955711706834_n.jpg

Made the whole weekend festival worth it. He'll happily talk to anybody afterwards about Joseph Campbell, the Dead Alewives, etc.

Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Monday, 12 May 2014 04:48 (nine years ago) link

Dan is not nearly as upset by the news as you'd think he'd be.

I think he's relived, tbh. The show will forever hang around his neck like a ship's anchor.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 12 May 2014 05:07 (nine years ago) link

great photos kingfish!! lucky dog!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 12 May 2014 15:58 (nine years ago) link

http://24.media.tumblr.com/baf7987a499e3f2f5d3128a6b23f10f3/tumblr_n08shpfflo1qm9vvlo1_500.png

This may nag at me forever.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 14 May 2014 22:06 (nine years ago) link

the meteor got them too

rage against martin sheen (sic), Thursday, 15 May 2014 02:14 (nine years ago) link

I do not watch Girls, but I might watch these specific episodes: http://www.avclub.com/article/gillian-jacobs-joins-season-four-girls-204914

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:48 (nine years ago) link

this news confirms for me that i dislike girls more than i like gillian jacobs

Mordy, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:50 (nine years ago) link

haha

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:53 (nine years ago) link

great moments in sentences being typed out without the titles of things being capitalized

ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:59 (nine years ago) link

capitalization fascist

relentlessly pecking at peace (President Keyes), Thursday, 22 May 2014 00:13 (nine years ago) link

lol mordy

Nhex, Thursday, 22 May 2014 01:17 (nine years ago) link

6th season on Hulu?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 29 May 2014 14:59 (nine years ago) link

and a movie (on vimeo plus or something)

ςὖτ ιτ Οὖτ (some dude), Thursday, 29 May 2014 15:41 (nine years ago) link

do not want

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 29 May 2014 15:49 (nine years ago) link

i love community but sometimes a show can just be cancelled surely

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 29 May 2014 15:58 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, otm. Even if everyone's on board and Glover comes back, I can't see getting to excited about this. I loved the show, and I'm ok with it being over.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 29 May 2014 16:00 (nine years ago) link

*too

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 29 May 2014 16:02 (nine years ago) link

bring glover back and i'm down. otherwise, just let it die. it's entering galactica 80 zone now.

it definitely wasn't designed to be a pants pocket player (stevie), Thursday, 29 May 2014 16:09 (nine years ago) link

Community season 6 will be the adventures of Troy and Levar Burton on their world cruise

On-the-spot Dicespin (DJP), Thursday, 29 May 2014 16:12 (nine years ago) link

I actually WOULD watch that.

Johnny Fever, Thursday, 29 May 2014 16:13 (nine years ago) link

take a look

famous instagram God (waterface), Thursday, 29 May 2014 16:13 (nine years ago) link

it's in a book

famous instagram God (waterface), Thursday, 29 May 2014 16:14 (nine years ago) link

a pair of reading rainBROS

famous instagram God (waterface), Thursday, 29 May 2014 16:14 (nine years ago) link

I feel like Harmon in that I'm cool with it ending but i certainly won't be the person that keeps me from watching s6.

da croupier, Thursday, 29 May 2014 16:14 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

I present this as a point of information.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/community-returning-sixth-season-yahoo-715857

Ned Raggett, Monday, 30 June 2014 22:06 (nine years ago) link

yahoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

da croupier, Monday, 30 June 2014 22:07 (nine years ago) link

for the life of me i cannot figure what the game plan is at yahoo but hey if you're gonna burn money either way i approve of this effort

da croupier, Monday, 30 June 2014 22:09 (nine years ago) link

did the Arrested Development thing work out well for Netflix? it seems like reviving a cult comedy is a decent idea for a streaming service but creating dramas that people will want to binge watch ended up being far more beneficial to them. if nothing else it beats Amazon Prime's strategy of creating new half hour comedies that nobody gives a damn about enough to even form a cult around.

some dude, Monday, 30 June 2014 22:13 (nine years ago) link

i don't think "yahoo screen" a netflix/amazon prime type deal in the first place

da croupier, Monday, 30 June 2014 22:17 (nine years ago) link

smart in that i now know there is something called yahoo screen

balls, Monday, 30 June 2014 22:19 (nine years ago) link

it's basically a wanna-be youtube so this will be ad revenue-based not subscriber

da croupier, Monday, 30 June 2014 22:19 (nine years ago) link

oh wait they removed the ability to upload, so i guess it's a wanna-be hulu only with no network content?

da croupier, Monday, 30 June 2014 22:20 (nine years ago) link

https://screen.yahoo.com/

the future is now

da croupier, Monday, 30 June 2014 22:22 (nine years ago) link

"ugh, i hate going to hulu to watch snl clips and going to youtube to watch vevo shit! there HAS to be a better way!"

"now there is!"

da croupier, Monday, 30 June 2014 22:24 (nine years ago) link

Yahoo did the three seasons of Burning Love, so this is probably a good fit. On the other hand, I forgot they existed since they geoblocked Burning Love halfway through the first season and wouldn't put it on the Australian version.

boney tassel (sic), Monday, 30 June 2014 22:38 (nine years ago) link

yeah from what i can tell it's not a subscription service. arrested development worked in that it got a ton of attention and subscribers for netflix. opinion is mixed on how well it worked creatively (i'm pro, esp the last half, but i think it's definitely fair to say there was more buzz beforehand than afterward) and who knows on the data but netflix doesn't seem to be in a huge hurry to due a half hour comedy while they have no problem renewing lillehammer or spawning new seasons of the killing. comedies were pretty big to hulu (initially at least) so who knows but it does seem like dramas have an edge in streaming like they do on network tv. cable seems more mixed - sunny is arguably the biggest hit fx has had and girls probably does more for hbo's brand than any show other than game of thrones; it's weird cuz yeah house of cards got huge attention and buzz for netflix and it has standard prestige drama dressings but it was kind of astroturfed success. orange is the new black is the organic hit and i'm not sure exactly what lessons can be learned from it.

balls, Monday, 30 June 2014 23:10 (nine years ago) link

i misspelled 'do'

balls, Monday, 30 June 2014 23:11 (nine years ago) link

I wonder if I'll ever watch the fifth season

polyphonic, Monday, 30 June 2014 23:13 (nine years ago) link

It was okay-to-great while it was happening, but I barely remember any of it now except for when Dean Pelton dressed up like a Payday bar and rapped in the study room—which was probably the funniest scene in the history of the show.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 30 June 2014 23:16 (nine years ago) link

Yahoo did the three seasons of Burning Love, so this is probably a good fit. On the other hand, I forgot they existed since they geoblocked Burning Love halfway through the first season and wouldn't put it on the Australian version.

― boney tassel (sic), Monday, June 30, 2014 6:38 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i always vaguely knew that Burning Love was on the internet somewhere before it aired on E! but i had no idea where. good to know, maybe this means that some months after the new Community episodes go online they'll put them on after The Soup as part of a Joel McHale power hour.

some dude, Monday, 30 June 2014 23:19 (nine years ago) link

there was something autumnal about season 5, like they'd accepted their lot as a sweet little cult show. can't imagine the yahoo season will be any different.

da croupier, Monday, 30 June 2014 23:21 (nine years ago) link

i doubt they'll truly go insane over the relative freedom of the net cuz i assume sony still wants to air those episodes in syndication

da croupier, Monday, 30 June 2014 23:23 (nine years ago) link

i think the only thing that kept them from turning outright into an Adult Swim-style revolving door of pop culture pastiches was some sense of fidelity to the characters and the 23-minute sitcom formula. i don't get the sense that they'd change a lot with 'more freedom,' i just hope that the inevitably smaller budget with Yahoo is spread over fewer episodes so it doesn't suddenly look way cheaper or completely scale back on the playful special effects stuff.

some dude, Monday, 30 June 2014 23:33 (nine years ago) link

Community is about 20 minutes, not 23, and they're doing the same number of episodes as S5.

boney tassel (sic), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 00:06 (nine years ago) link

Indeed, Vulture hears the production budget for Community’s sixth season will not be dramatically different than the most recent NBC season of the show.

boney tassel (sic), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 00:13 (nine years ago) link

gonna say, this show's gone from being nbc's least treasured show to yahoo's most treasured - budget's probably not that diff

da croupier, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 00:20 (nine years ago) link

kinda wonder if this last minute reveal came down to yahoo being the safety choice

da croupier, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 00:21 (nine years ago) link

It sounds like the negotiations went to last minute because Sony's contracts expire tomorrow.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 00:22 (nine years ago) link

It was either that or the Food Channel.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 00:26 (nine years ago) link

mmm brie

balls, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 00:27 (nine years ago) link

Hulu only passed last week, contracts expired yesterday, Sony has been negotiating with different partners for months

boney tassel (sic), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 00:49 (nine years ago) link

yeah i can't imagine sony WANTED to go with a service best known for providing Burning Love episodes before they air on E!

da croupier, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 00:58 (nine years ago) link

We were in pretty advanced conversations with Hulu and we had made a half-dozen or so phone calls to other places. Then out of the blue — and this never happens — I got the best phone call in the world from Yahoo selling us on why Yahoo would be great destination [for Community]. To be honest, we were so far down the path with Hulu that, hopefully not arrogant but [we were], maybe a little bit dismissive of their overture, which made them that much more committed to explaining to us and to Joel McHale and Dan Harmon why this was going to be a cornerstone of the new Yahoo that they're about to unveil to the world. They really want to be close to their users and viewers and wanted it to be a safe destination for creators. It was an excellent and articulate speech.

We will not cut any money from what we were doing on the broadcast version of the show. No low-cost digital whatever; Yahoo was spectacular with that and told us how much they stand for quality. You haven't seen a whole slew of announcements out of them but when they make announcements, they want them to be loud and to stand for something. They really were beyond supportive with understanding the production demands of a sixth-year show. They are fully supporting it in their deal and beyond; it's pretty historic.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/community-revival-sony-exec-talks-715907

boney tassel (sic), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 03:05 (nine years ago) link

Hopefully Donald Glover will come back to his senses for a final season. Probably not though

Nhex, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 05:12 (nine years ago) link

yeah chances of that are close to nil.

Clay, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 05:21 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

aw man

Nhex, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 23:49 (nine years ago) link

I don't care what Yvette says about no one character being bigger than the show. No Shirley, no credibility.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 00:02 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

Paget Brewster, Keith David added to cast.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/community-adds-paget-brewster-keith-747827

nickn, Monday, 10 November 2014 21:44 (nine years ago) link

Aw, she's not playing the same character.

Nhex, Monday, 10 November 2014 21:52 (nine years ago) link

damn, i'm over this show but i love paget brewster.

you little affront to god (reddening), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 07:04 (nine years ago) link

yesss i love Paget Brewster too. and Keith David was hysterical on Enlisted.

nakhchi little van (some dude), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 09:22 (nine years ago) link

I only know David from Bird and his narration on Montgomery Burns' Jazz series. Whenever I hear his voice, I feel like he's about to say something snottily disdainful about the Art Ensemble of Chicago.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 12:13 (nine years ago) link

i've loved keith david ever since i was 12 and saw his amazingly drawn-out alley fight with roddy piper in they live

http://www.wrestlecrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/they-live-knees.gif

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 14:00 (nine years ago) link

i was gonna say ALL-TIME

Nhex, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 14:25 (nine years ago) link

Did Keith David not do the narration for the Burns doc spoof episode(s)?

franny glasshole (franny glass), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 14:26 (nine years ago) link

I think you're right.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 14:37 (nine years ago) link

Also, he was Goliath in Gargoyles. GOLIATH!

Nhex, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 19:26 (nine years ago) link

I'm still not planning to watch any of this, btw.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 19:38 (nine years ago) link

Is there some kind of paid Yahoo subscription we're going to have to get to watch these? Because... well I'll probably just download it somewhere else then.

Nhex, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 20:12 (nine years ago) link

I think they're going to try to do this with ad support only, but we'll see how long that lasts.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 20:32 (nine years ago) link

hey yahoo's been on the "we'll see how long that lasts" bubble for quite a while now

da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 20:34 (nine years ago) link

paying for a sitcom is a drop in the bucket

da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 20:35 (nine years ago) link

for Yahoo this is like pocket lint... I'm still not sure why they're bothering, but hey, at least one good (?) thing will come out of their experimentation

Nhex, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link

Burning Love!

the incredible string gland (sic), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 21:50 (nine years ago) link

i've loved keith david ever since i was 12 and saw his amazingly drawn-out alley fight with roddy piper in they live

ha ha I was trying to tell my wife about that fight scene recently and she thought I was making it up, then we watched that Zizek documentary on Netflix where he opens talking about They Live and teh sunglasses.

you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 00:39 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

Watched the first 5 or 6 episodes of first series. Does this show get better?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 26 December 2014 14:34 (nine years ago) link

I love the early episodes but the show became more conceptually ambitious and Brie became a stronger actress in her role. Maybe start watching at s1e20 ("Science of Illusion") or try some of s2, e.g. "Advanced Dungeons and Dragons", if you want a sample? "Introduction to Film" (s1e3) is still one of my all-time favourite episodes, though.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 26 December 2014 14:41 (nine years ago) link

I think one of the worst signs was the charmless main male character and the prospect of another "will they, won't they?" unlikely romance.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 26 December 2014 14:59 (nine years ago) link

Oh, the show isn't 'about' an unlikely romance in anything close to the way Mindy Project or New Girl were, if that's what you're worried about.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Friday, 26 December 2014 15:19 (nine years ago) link

the show also gets better once they realise that jeff's strengths are not as a romantic leading man but as a narcissistic asshole prone to grandiose speeches. stick with it, it does get so much better.

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 26 December 2014 20:19 (nine years ago) link

the paintball episode in s1 was the real game-changer iirc

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 26 December 2014 20:20 (nine years ago) link

doesn't jeff accept being a narcissistic asshole prone to grandiose speeches at the end of… the pilot?

j., Friday, 26 December 2014 20:34 (nine years ago) link

there was still a cute will they/won't they with Britta, and then they did and no one cared, hey what about Jeff & Annie?

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Saturday, 27 December 2014 02:48 (nine years ago) link

i think Harmon was more in love with the Britta character than the audience (or any of the characters) ever was, and it became apparent by like the 9th episode that there was way more chemistry/fan interest in Jeff and Annie. and then they sidestepped the whole thing by pairing Jeff and Britta up in a secret non-romantic hookup way. i kinda liked how they handled what could've easily been a pretty tedious love triangle thing, at least until the pretty boring Troy/Britta relationship.

some dude, Saturday, 27 December 2014 03:09 (nine years ago) link

doesn't jeff accept being a narcissistic asshole prone to grandiose speeches at the end of… the pilot?

OTM.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 December 2014 03:13 (nine years ago) link

The breakthrough character is Abed, who understands that he lives in a tv show.

Vic Perry, Saturday, 27 December 2014 03:27 (nine years ago) link

Have never really given a shit about Jeff and Annie and was overjoyed when Harmon tied that one up. Whereas Britta gets funnier the dorkier she becomes.

I think Jeff wrongfoots a lot of people early on because the show seems to be setting him up as the cool guy when a lot of viewers think he's a twat, it takes a while to realise that the show thinks he's a twat too and gets a lot of comic mileage out of that.

Matt DC, Saturday, 27 December 2014 12:46 (nine years ago) link

Ha, maybe I like the early episodes so much because he always seemed like he was supposed to be a twat.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 December 2014 19:41 (nine years ago) link

"to me"

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 December 2014 19:41 (nine years ago) link

I mean, he starts out as a fraudulent disbarred lawyer who is trying and failing to cheat his way through a bottom-tier community college diploma and desperately hit on a woman.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 27 December 2014 19:49 (nine years ago) link

Still so much of the early Jeff stuff was about him being a reluctant leader who could tie the group together and make inspirational speeches. He took a darker turn later on.

ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Saturday, 27 December 2014 23:10 (nine years ago) link

Seen up to episode 19 now. Liking it more.

Jeff looks so much like British comedian Greg Davies.

Like how they kept up the creepy mascot.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 28 December 2014 03:49 (nine years ago) link

The stuff about the Dean's Dalmatian fixation was funny. But the best thing was the keytar with the screaming samples.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 28 December 2014 19:29 (nine years ago) link

annie's "no" scream is amazing

(曇り) (clouds), Sunday, 28 December 2014 19:33 (nine years ago) link

That joke about Paul Giamatti was a bit too cruel though.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 28 December 2014 20:08 (nine years ago) link

Like how they kept up the creepy mascot.

The show thrives on recurring gags, so you should often be delighted.

Johnny Fever, Monday, 29 December 2014 05:45 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7Qi6mEIcAETgEb.jpg

This picture looks so empty and it makes me sad. The cast has really thinned out.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:08 (nine years ago) link

That promo pic makes me want to actively avoid the show.

Let me help you out Charlie XCX fan (DJP), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:37 (nine years ago) link

I was looking forward to this. Now I'm not.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:48 (nine years ago) link

Abed totally bringing the false joy.

This is really the last season, right? Gilliam Jacobs has a new show happening somewhere.

Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:51 (nine years ago) link

i like everyone in that picture and am looking forward to the show but it definitely feels like a bummer that they're down to 4 of the original 7 core study group cast members.

some dude, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:51 (nine years ago) link

i genuinely don't think this season would be happening if Abed had said "five seasons and a movie" in that one episode.

some dude, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:52 (nine years ago) link

Does the Yahoo thing cost money?

jmm, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:54 (nine years ago) link

xp that's very true

Also, I'll restate what I said previously. No Shirley, no credibility.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:55 (nine years ago) link

Yahoo is ad supported afaik.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 21:56 (nine years ago) link

Dan Harmon has just said, that as long as people like it, he will keep on doing it, up to season 20 or something. In a way, that was how it always should have been. The show is about communities, the insularity of the study group always made them seem like a bunch of assholes. But it's still sad :(

Frederik B, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 22:01 (nine years ago) link

According to the promo, Professor Slater is back:

https://screen.yahoo.com/community/

Which...yeah, that was a funny run in season 1. But as a full cast member?

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 22:01 (nine years ago) link

i mean...she presumably still works at the school where the show takes place, they're not bending time and space or anything.

some dude, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 22:09 (nine years ago) link

why didn't they just shoot a promo pic with the new study group members? they have new people right?

linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 22:48 (nine years ago) link

if so, the audience don't know them yet, so wouldn't feel warm and fuzzy to see them in a photo

i like everyone in that picture and am looking forward to the show but it definitely feels like a bummer that they're down to 4 of the original 7 core study group cast members.

the cast was always intended to shift and change if they made it past year 3 - it's the weird embattled nature of the production that's kept it so consistent

bob seger's silver bullet gland (sic), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 23:48 (nine years ago) link

reminds me of the pictures for the cinemax season of sctv when they were down to just flaherty, martin, levy and short

da croupier, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 23:56 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

trailer singlehandedly renews my interest in the show tbh

DJP, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:20 (nine years ago) link

I will watch it, but I will miss Yvette SO MUCH.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:40 (nine years ago) link

trailer was good. do we have to pay for yahoo! screen?

you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 3 March 2015 20:56 (nine years ago) link

It's ad supported, so only with your time. Glad I discovered there's a Yahoo Screen app for the Roku so I can actually peep this shit on a television.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 3 March 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link

not available outside the US

xp thanks for the heads-up, just got a Roku recently so that's great

Nhex, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 14:42 (nine years ago) link

not sure what sort of shady backroom contract adds a new application to my Sony Blu-ray player, but there's no yahoo! screen ;_;

you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 14:48 (nine years ago) link

no Yahoo Screen app for ps3 fffuuuuu

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 19:54 (nine years ago) link

yeah, I think my blu-ray player is basically a PS3 without the ability to play games

you can buy your hair if it won't grow (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 21:13 (nine years ago) link

i am old & need to watch tv on my tv

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 21:28 (nine years ago) link

They'll probably release one for the PS3 sooner or later. I love my Roku, though, and think everyone should have one. :)

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 21:36 (nine years ago) link

i love t0rrentz

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 21:48 (nine years ago) link

Are you watching things your torrent on your tv? Because you said you like to watch tv ON YOUR TV. :P

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 4 March 2015 21:59 (nine years ago) link

i meant that i dont want to have to watch stupid yahoo on my pc

:P

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 4 March 2015 22:22 (nine years ago) link

i guess this is back now, does anybody still care?

Clay, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 05:28 (nine years ago) link

Considering the thread has been revived twice already this year, I'd say yes.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 06:20 (nine years ago) link

def watching first 2 tonight. I'd forgotten.

Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 14:44 (nine years ago) link

What kind of promotion is Yahoo giving this? I haven't seen anything outside of this thread about the new season

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 16:35 (nine years ago) link

I haven't watched the episodes, but here are the direct links.
Episode 1 : https://screen.yahoo.com/community/ladders-070001899.html
Episode 2: https://screen.yahoo.com/community/lawnmower-maintenance-postnatal-care-070001912.html

If you live in a blocked country like I do, you can internationalize yourself with the Media Hint plugin for Firefox.

…. wow – the power of words ! (Øystein), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link

i have a Sony box that allows me to watch Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc. shows on TV, so it bums me out that it doesn't have any Yahoo capability to pay this, but w/e, i'll watch Community on my laptop if i have to.

watched the first episode this morning and there were a few laugh out loud moments, as expected there were meta jokes about the cast changes but the gag about Shirley was hysterical.

some dude, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link

in same boat. will hdmi to a TV for communal viewing, however.

Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 20:44 (nine years ago) link

The email montage was pretty funny.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 22:36 (nine years ago) link

Despite the one bit of Shirley, she's sorely missed. :(

2nd ep better than the first, but even with my incredibly low expectations for this season I'm having a hard time enjoying it.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 23:12 (nine years ago) link

Also, re: the first episode, they must just assume anyone watching is already familiar with the show and isn't just coming in blind. Because none of that would make any sense at all to a first time viewer. I had a hard enough time with it as someone who's seen all five previous seasons.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 23:14 (nine years ago) link

I almost feel like Harmon is hard-trolling everyone who demanded a sixth season by giving them one.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 23:33 (nine years ago) link

marissa mayer should put herself in this show as a new castmember

iatee, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 02:13 (nine years ago) link

I definitely liked the first two eps (especially that Shirley cameo), but I think part of the love is that I already kinda love Paget and Keith so it's easy. And it doesn't feel quite as shaky as last year since they're not awkwardly dealing with Pierce and Glover leaving. Britta actually getting a decent story where she gets to do things! (also nice to see Lesley Ann Warren too)

Nhex, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 04:29 (nine years ago) link

yeah same here, Paget Brewster and Keith David are worthy additions.

some dude, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 12:14 (nine years ago) link

Can't wait for a full episode of "The Butcher & The Baker" tbqh.

AB de Villiers Terrace (King Boy Pato), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 12:55 (nine years ago) link

AND WHERE AND WHEN DID BRITTA LEAVE THAT LITTLE GREEN MACHINE

AB de Villiers Terrace (King Boy Pato), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 12:56 (nine years ago) link

First episode was great, second one was a bit hit and miss if only because the virtual reality storyline was lame. It felt like a very convoluted way to introduce a new character without actually giving him much to do.

I enjoyed the scenes with Britta's parents through, they were well-cast and I hope they reappear because there's comic mileage there.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 13:04 (nine years ago) link

yeah, second episode's interminable jeff and new lady watching dean flail around in VR scenes really made it drag. that said, both eps had plenty of laughs and they are hitting much better notes with chang and abed characterwise so I am fully on board with season 6!

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:13 (nine years ago) link

I hated the Chang hand-bitten running gag, they are basically just admitting they don't have a clue what to do with Ken Jeong at this point.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:16 (nine years ago) link

tbf they haven't known what to do with him since season 1. his "best" storyline was the Shirley pregnancy, i mean sheesh. the hand gag is probably in the "better" half of running Chang jokes. but i agree the takes on him and Abed are already better this year

that said "AND JESUS WEPT!" did make me laugh, damn you Dean

Nhex, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:18 (nine years ago) link

he was so good when he was the Spanish teacher, they need to get back to that. xpost jinx

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:19 (nine years ago) link

they are basically just admitting they don't have a clue what to do with Ken Jeong at this point.

Isn't this essentially everything after season 1?

ed.b, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 16:47 (nine years ago) link

kinda wishing these episodes were 22 minutes and not 27. that extra time gives room for stuff to sag.

Clay, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 19:09 (nine years ago) link

meant that we got the full trailer for Portuguese Gremlins however

AB de Villiers Terrace (King Boy Pato), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link

yup, those extra minutes mean we get that and The Butcher and The Baker, I say bring 'em on every episode

Nhex, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link

it is interesting that they made the episodes longer where afaik the Netflix and Amazon Prime sitcoms haven't. i guess there's no chance of the season 6 episodes getting plugged into Community's broadcast reruns on Comedy Central or w/e.

some dude, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 22:21 (nine years ago) link

interesting that they made the episodes longer where afaik the Netflix and Amazon Prime sitcoms haven't

episodes of Arrested Development S4 ranged between like 22 and 38 minutes

oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 22:52 (nine years ago) link

must just assume anyone watching is already familiar with the show and isn't just coming in blind

Probably not too many people stumbling across it by just leaving their computer on Yahoo Screen after The Nanny finishes.

oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Wednesday, 18 March 2015 22:53 (nine years ago) link

ah i hadn't watched the Netflix season of AD, i was going off of Kimmy Schmidt, Alpha House, Betas, etc.

some dude, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 23:23 (nine years ago) link

Come to Yahoo Screen to watch Community, stay to watch ... nothing? It doesn't seem like they have any other content.

polyphonic, Wednesday, 18 March 2015 23:49 (nine years ago) link

I hated the Chang hand-bitten running gag, they are basically just admitting they don't have a clue what to do with Ken Jeong at this point.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, March 18, 2015 12:16 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hahaha:

http://www.avclub.com/article/ken-jeong-says-he-will-never-leave-community-216779

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 19 March 2015 00:00 (nine years ago) link

Come to Yahoo Screen to watch Community, stay to watch ... nothing? It doesn't seem like they have any other content.

― polyphonic, Wednesday, March 18, 2015 7:49 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the ad breaks for Community have a lot of commercials for the extremely unpromising-looking Sin City Saints, which premieres next week (along with, funnily, lots of Netflix ads for Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt)

some dude, Thursday, 19 March 2015 00:31 (nine years ago) link

in the secret bar there was a sign with 'do not serve this man' -- was that supposed to be someone?

mookieproof, Thursday, 19 March 2015 01:10 (nine years ago) link

looked maybe like younger Harmon with a moustache drawn on but I wasn't close to the screen

Al - Kimmy Schmidt was made for network; season 2 will be the tell for whether they get more flexible on running times. (Streaming shows are likely to stay similar to broadcast standard bcz they can be sold overseas still. Although AD S4 is airing here now on non-commercial FTA.)

oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Thursday, 19 March 2015 02:04 (nine years ago) link

Wasn't convinced until the scene in the ladders class, which killed me

DJP, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:21 (nine years ago) link

that was fantastic

Nhex, Thursday, 19 March 2015 14:30 (nine years ago) link

what happened to buzz hickey

mookieproof, Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:15 (nine years ago) link

travelled back in time to the early '00s

oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Thursday, 19 March 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link

Man, this Yahoo Screen ap suuuuuucks. everytime I paused the show it reverted back to the beginning.

Btw the Harmontown doc is on Netflix

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Saturday, 21 March 2015 02:45 (nine years ago) link

the harmontown doc was what got me to stop listening to harmontown

Clay, Saturday, 21 March 2015 02:47 (nine years ago) link

Too into the cult of personality for me. I like his shows though, and don't fault him for making money. But I have watched every episode of Community and it is good, cleverly-written sometimes-meta pop tv. But not a life-changing work of art that I must delve into, or see a movie about the making of.

I can see it being appealing if you are working in the entertainment industry. Doesn't he talk a lot about his process? It seems like hard work, talking about how hard you are working all the time /jk

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 March 2015 03:35 (nine years ago) link

harmontown movie is a doc of when he took his podcast on the road, so it's mostly harmon being a sad alcoholic who is really mean to his friends and himself and occasionally hosting a show where he says cruel things to his then-girlfriend (now wife)

Clay, Saturday, 21 March 2015 03:45 (nine years ago) link

According to imdb he has written 9 episodes of tv in the past 5 years. I thought he wrote way more than 7 episodes of Community.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1363595/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 March 2015 03:53 (nine years ago) link

Oh why would you want to support that kind of behavior?

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 March 2015 03:53 (nine years ago) link

xp The way the sitcom "writer's room" set up is done these days, a team of writers works on every script, credit is distributed to the primary writer for that episode. The showrunner like Harmon typically writes/edits/contributes to every script on the show, credited or not.

Nhex, Saturday, 21 March 2015 03:58 (nine years ago) link

I think this more than likely has to do with Hollywood/union royalty structures

Nhex, Saturday, 21 March 2015 03:58 (nine years ago) link

I can see that.

Is it normal for them to credit non-showrunner writers as having written episodes? For instance Emily Cutler is credited for 5 Community episodes, including the first Paintball episode. That is 2 less than Dan Harmon. I tried finding out more from his 4-part season 2 AV Club interview but the only time he mentions Emily he doesn't talk about her as a writer but how bringing in women writers changed the atmosphere.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 March 2015 04:55 (nine years ago) link

whoever is assigned the first draft is credited as the writer, generally. but the pitches come from everyone on staff. after the first draft other writers do "passes" on the episode, including the showrunner, and individual jokes are fixed by committee.

Clay, Saturday, 21 March 2015 05:03 (nine years ago) link

If Harmon wants to portray himself as some kind of comedy writer that is fine, but he needs to step it up imo. Louis C.K. wrote 61 episodes in that same amount of time, compared to his 9. He also earned directing, acting, and producing credits on 40+ episodes.

Or is Louis C.K. not a showrunner? Do they have a different system set up for credits and such being network vs. cable?

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 March 2015 06:18 (nine years ago) link

lol @ Harmon and Louis even being in the same league in any regard.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 21 March 2015 06:44 (nine years ago) link

louis runs his own show and has full creative control on an extremely small budget. he's essentially making small art films that occasionally have jokes. the system community runs on is the system network and cable comedy have been using at least since the 60's. i mean how many episodes of 30 rock did tina fey write? she was usually credited w/ abt 4 or 5 a year. but if you think that wasn't her show, that it wasn't her voice the writers were emulating, that she didn't have creative control of the jokes that got into the show etc, that'd be silly. it's harmon's decision who gets writing credit and as i understand it he's pretty liberal about not crediting himself when he's written the vast portion of a show's dialogue.

Clay, Saturday, 21 March 2015 07:12 (nine years ago) link

louis' situation is unique in the history of american tv, fwiw.

Clay, Saturday, 21 March 2015 07:14 (nine years ago) link

Tina Fey got full writing credit for 31 episodes period in addition to exec producer and actress in pretty much all 138 eps yeah she is a badass.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 March 2015 07:20 (nine years ago) link

xp yeah it should be said that Louis' deal is pretty crazy and groundbreaking and of course no network is rushing to offer similar deals

also there are showrunners who hoard credit as well. whether that's deserved or not obviously depends on the show, but one example was Aaron Sorkin on The West Wing who actually did cram out every word of every single script for like three seasons coked out of his goddamn mind

i heard something similar about Weiner on Mad Men as well, but I don't watch it, so i'm out of the loop on that one

Nhex, Saturday, 21 March 2015 07:27 (nine years ago) link

Most of Harmon's writing credits prior to Community are all short films and/or parodies, as in he is interested in coming up with concepts, not so much sketching them out. Nothing with a long narrative or interesting dialog, just lots of clever concepts. I bet he didn't actually write most of the jokes in Community.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 March 2015 07:36 (nine years ago) link

Weiner notoriously hoards writing credits on mad men, it's true. he shares or owns credit on like 3/4 of the episodes last I checked.

Clay, Saturday, 21 March 2015 07:39 (nine years ago) link

Harmon heavitly rewrites each and every episode of Community, everyone agrees on that. As could be seen in season four, his voice is essential to the show. His lack of credits only mean that he is generous with doling out credit - and cash - to the other writers on the show. It's a very nice thing, imo.

Frederik B, Saturday, 21 March 2015 08:16 (nine years ago) link

Yes, even when he does a page-one rewrite - and he did the final script for every episode of season one, for example - he never takes credit from a staff writer.

oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Saturday, 21 March 2015 14:33 (nine years ago) link

So he is generous with doling out credit to the writers who are writing the show? And it is a nice thing he is doing by paying them money? Isn't is standard practice to pay the writers of a show money and give them credit?

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 March 2015 16:47 (nine years ago) link

He's being generous by giving them SOLE credit (and hence more royalties) since he could by all rights take co-credit on every script, like Weiner. But that's sort of standard practice tbh, since most showrunners are already credited as producers and getting some other kind of backend.

Nhex, Saturday, 21 March 2015 16:55 (nine years ago) link

i think it's standard practice for showrunners to not take script credit, i think significantly because of union matters but also just the etiquette of the situation (especially re things like 'story credit', which is something showrunners will often have the right to but won't take). i imagine with someone auteur-ish showrunners like harmon it will often involve them having the idea for the episode, writing a significant outline, then passing it on to the credited writer to produce a draft before it goes to harmon and the rest of the writing room for redrafting, but still then there'll be no showrunner credit.

cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Saturday, 21 March 2015 17:00 (nine years ago) link

Someone just convince me he did not come up with some brilliant outlines and then wander around drunkenly from dept. to dept. - occasionally making "auteur" demands and doing self-promotion on social media -- while the show was being made around him.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 March 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link

Like he is on a bender and then the script comes in and he is in a drunken fever pining over the purity of his creation and rewrites a few references and lines of dialog and he has "rewritten the script to suit his vision".

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 March 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link

How come seasons 5 and 6 aren't up there with 2 and 3? Was it his brilliant vision to let the quality just slide?

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 March 2015 17:20 (nine years ago) link

Easy to be a "Ninja of alcholism" if there is a whole team of people backing you up and cleaning up after your messes.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 March 2015 17:21 (nine years ago) link

it's almost as if American comedy shows with niche concepts organically run out of steam in later seasons

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 21 March 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link

i think the show might've been better off if they went with the conjectured "replace the cast every four years" plan

Nhex, Saturday, 21 March 2015 19:01 (nine years ago) link

3 of the originals are already gone at this point, anyway

Nhex, Saturday, 21 March 2015 19:01 (nine years ago) link

Adam, you're grinding a weird axe itt imo

Clay, Saturday, 21 March 2015 20:01 (nine years ago) link

like everyone who educated about how american sitcoms are produced is like "well, no, not exactly" to basically everything you bring up trying to tear some guy down and you keep coming up with random conjecture to continue spitting on the guy, idk man

Clay, Saturday, 21 March 2015 20:03 (nine years ago) link

How is this random conjecture? He admitted he is an alcoholic and he was famously fired for being an abusive one who could not do his job. Dude has a movie out about a tour about a podcast about how he is a genius writer. The internet is filled with people fawning over him. I'm sure he can take the criticism that perhaps people other than him are why Community was so successful.

I looked at how many episodes he wrote compared to his peers and it was lacking. You guys reminded me of TV working practices, ok, I get that. You realize that does not mean that he DID write all those episodes, but that those episode were written by the staff writers and him collaboratively. Take "Remedial Chaos Theory", a classic episode that is evidence of the creative brilliance of the show. It was written by Chris McKenna, who based it on the idea from Megan Gunz. Dan Harmon's original idea for that episode was a riff on the way you respawn after death in videogames. Yet if you look anywhere online he says the original idea was to copy "Rashomon", "Run Lola Run", and "Sliding Doors". It's like he is trying to score points with my Film 101 professor from 1999.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 March 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link

harmon is definitely not a guy who knows much about films other than like Robocop and Die Hard, I'll give you that.

and hey I'm the guy who said the Harmontown movie was so gross it made me give up on the guy, so I'm not defending him as a genius or a dude I love, I just think there's a huge gray area between louis ck and laughable hack.

Clay, Saturday, 21 March 2015 20:54 (nine years ago) link

Word yeah I just need to ignore DH entirely. I wasn't calling out anyone on this board in particular but rather the general perception, DH's bullet-proof brand.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 March 2015 21:23 (nine years ago) link

there's a very blackhearted part of me that almost admires harmon for saying, "you wanted your little hashtag to work, huh? well here's your goddamn sixth season and probably your goddamned movie, you asked for it!!" regardless of quality

...and then I remember how distasteful I find the obvious cynicism involved in this completely unwarranted revival of community. and yet ppl seem fairly happy about it, and I don't think that makes them dupes by default, so it's a complete gray area for me. I don't think I've watched an extended stretch of community episodes since season 3

slothroprhymes, Saturday, 21 March 2015 21:31 (nine years ago) link

interesting to mention weiner upthread, bc like harmon he is roundly regarded as both a pretty brilliant TV mind (weiner may legit deserve "genius") and kiiiind of an awful person. this has always been something I wonder about. like when I hear an artist of any kind I like is a complete dickbag, I always get kinda bummed even though I know I shouldn't really care about their personalities long as they aren't committing crimes or being bigots

slothroprhymes, Saturday, 21 March 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link

"That was the fanciest sentence I ever heard, and I used to watch Frasier"

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 March 2015 21:53 (nine years ago) link

Sorry that should have gone in the "Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt" thread.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 21 March 2015 21:55 (nine years ago) link

We'll clean up your mess you, drunkie

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Sunday, 22 March 2015 01:33 (nine years ago) link

yahoo screen makes this unwatchable

Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 22 March 2015 22:37 (nine years ago) link

given that they own the content, they should be able to work out the buffer lengths necessary to make good streaming possible.

Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 22 March 2015 22:38 (nine years ago) link

i didn't have any problems (or ads, weirdly) using the xbox app

Nhex, Monday, 23 March 2015 03:49 (nine years ago) link

finally saw these, first ep was very blah to me, but I dug the 2nd episode. Dean in virtual reality was great, and portugese gremlins cracked me up

difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 23 March 2015 04:11 (nine years ago) link

If anyone here liked E3, please tell me why and/or how and I'll listen.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:14 (nine years ago) link

The kids pranking the Dean was funny, as were the asides, but the main plot strand just wasn't funny at all.

In general, the bits of to the side of this season have been great, but the chemistry just isn't there between the main group any more. There's a lot of heart missing without Shirley and Troy there. The thudding repetition of "they gave a degree to a dog" suggested that maybe Harmon isn't trying as hard as he would have for network TV.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link

Britta parts were good, rest was pretty mediocre
I liked the bits with the Japanese kids and the ending tag

Nhex, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:19 (nine years ago) link

Also I still don't understand the point of Keith David's character, and I wish the show had gone to a bit more trouble to establish relationships between the group and the new characters before throwing them straight into forced plot conceits. That was Community's big strength in the first season.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 14:22 (nine years ago) link

Abed's AV nerd bit was great

some dude, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link

wouldn't have guessed that was the episode directed by Bobcat Goldthwait though

some dude, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:09 (nine years ago) link

He directed a bunch of Chappelle's Show bits, too.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 15:12 (nine years ago) link

Keith David is awesome, good nerd-get having him on the show. That is the point behind his character. Personally I thought he was great in the Saints Row games.

Yeah it is becoming more and more difficult to care about what is happening at all on this show.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:22 (nine years ago) link

Like I am trying to describe any of these characters in relation to each other and am coming up empty other than they are good at being generators and recipients of snarky comments.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:24 (nine years ago) link

oh I hope they spend a lot of time on relationships between the characters. that was always the funniest part of the show

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link

That seems to be the thing they're doing the least of.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link

The character stuff was often the most numbskully part of the show

Like it was either pure satire on sit-com form or people kept telling Harmon he needed to make people care about the characters

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link

Community’s biggest focus this season needs to be redefining these relationships for the audience. Are they still friends, or are they now more like co-workers? Is there still a romantic spark between Jeff and Annie or has that dynamic been abandoned completely? Who or what is Chang? There’s more to solidifying Community’s sixth season than randomly plugging in a couple new characters, but if anyone can make these characters’ relationships feel genuine and dimensional, it’s Harmon.

http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/community-basic-crisis-room-decorum-216984

Well the comedy isn't doing it for me anymore. I had to rage-quit in the middle of Frankie's speech on "What is truth" just cos it was the nth joke where the comedy revolved entirely around "how clever is this?" I guess this show isn't for me anymore.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:28 (nine years ago) link

It's like the intellectual equivalent of a series of guitar solos.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:31 (nine years ago) link

some people like Grant Green

Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link

Are we still supposed to hate guitar solos?

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:35 (nine years ago) link

think the rule is you may solo if it sounds like Prince http://pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/16900-ivory/

Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:38 (nine years ago) link

or Neil Young: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/19536-strand-of-oaks-heal/

Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link

There is lots of pre-grunge guitar on here: some actual shredding and soloing, albeit no showboating. Synths play a much larger role on HEAL, especially on the neon-lit title track and on “Same Emotions”, with its video-game solo on the coda.

so basically you have to solo like Prince, but with no showboating.

Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link

you have to be eddie van halen, but only 1984 eddie.

Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:42 (nine years ago) link

oh look, this is the Community thread

Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:43 (nine years ago) link

Community is the Derek Bailey of sitcoms.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:45 (nine years ago) link

lol

Team Foxcatcherwatcher (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:45 (nine years ago) link

Are we still supposed to hate guitar solos?

I'm not a fan of the Grateful Dead and never will be.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link

I only like guitar solos where the dynamics between the notes are explored--you know, like, is this note a good leader? Or can this note deal with his best friend dating a female note? Or why is this note racist?

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:48 (nine years ago) link

Your right i am an idiot who could never enjoy the genius doodlings of writer mc writerson. Enjoy the Artistic Integrity of a bunch of adults defending a dog's college graduation.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link

Your right i am an idiot

Mordy, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:54 (nine years ago) link

more like dumbmunity

ienjoyhotdogs, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link

oh I hope they spend a lot of time on relationships between the characters. that was always the funniest part of the show

I don't mean things like Troy and Britta or Jeff and Annie, I mean like when Jeff and Shirley would wander off and start bitching about the rest of the group, or the rivalry between Britta and Shirley, or y'know Troy and Abed doing anything. You got to know how different pairings of characters would react to a situation, things that made it a believable group dynamic and also acted in the service of the comedy. Seems pretty obvious that Harmon put a lot of effort into defining all that early on before taking the series off-piste.

This last episode felt like a sequence of characters just getting up and doing their own thing one after another and felt disconnected and disjointed and not very funny as a result. Britta's drunk and wearing someone else's pants? That's the joke?

Matt DC, Thursday, 26 March 2015 09:08 (nine years ago) link

that was pretty bad

maybe not dozens-of-weird-rage-filled-posts-from-adam bad, but still

mookieproof, Friday, 27 March 2015 00:14 (nine years ago) link

Hah yeah. I'm done with this show and anything else Dan Harmon does. He's a hack and a bully.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 27 March 2015 01:43 (nine years ago) link

sure, don't watch the funniest show on tv

Mordy, Friday, 27 March 2015 01:50 (nine years ago) link

I don't know which show you're talking about, Mordy, but it's not this one.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 27 March 2015 02:41 (nine years ago) link

Too bad he didn't give us a link or something

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Friday, 27 March 2015 13:49 (nine years ago) link

oh lol the stylesheet I'm using doesn't make links apparent. will be changing.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 27 March 2015 14:40 (nine years ago) link

ep 4 easily the best so far imo

some dude, Thursday, 2 April 2015 20:49 (nine years ago) link

yeah this was a pretty good

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:23 (nine years ago) link

I enjoyed 3 and 4 quite a bit actually.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:24 (nine years ago) link

It's been getting dramatically better starting with ep 3. Ep 5 the best so far; loved Chang's line about, "I was their Spanish teacher; then they couldn't figure out anything interesting to do with me" or something.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:32 (nine years ago) link

"jesus WEPT" had me in tears. Enjoyed first few Eps. But I really don't care about any of these characters anymore, they're just ciphers for the next joke.

NotKnowPotato (stevie), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link

Like, none of them interact as if they actually know each other.

NotKnowPotato (stevie), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link

yeah this is in some ways more like watching a well-rehearsed improv troupe than, like, a show about humans at this point

Clay, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 19:19 (nine years ago) link

Yahoo Screen just launched a new show from Paul Feig starring a bunch of commercial actors, plus Joel and Trace from MST3K. Anyone seen it yet?

polyphonic, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 19:21 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4iQfJftmOU

NotKnowPotato (stevie), Thursday, 16 April 2015 10:13 (nine years ago) link

Like, none of them interact as if they actually know each other.

I've been enjoying the petty Annie v Britta flatmate rivalry (especially the fact that Jeff has nothing to do with it), but yeah, this.

Matt DC, Thursday, 16 April 2015 10:17 (nine years ago) link

the last episode with the email leaks was a little better on that front

Nhex, Friday, 17 April 2015 19:28 (nine years ago) link

I have had zero inclination to go back to this show after the first two episodes

DJP, Friday, 17 April 2015 19:29 (nine years ago) link

I watched the third, didn't think it was measurably better than the first two, have thrown in the towel.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 17 April 2015 21:01 (nine years ago) link

this was always a show that I wanted to end after Season 3 or so because I wanted it to go out on top. Quality over quantity. bleh.

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Saturday, 18 April 2015 19:48 (nine years ago) link

Yahoo Screen just launched a new show from Paul Feig starring a bunch of commercial actors, plus Joel and Trace from MST3K. Anyone seen it yet?

― polyphonic, Wednesday, April 15, 2015 3:21 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

gonna check this out now. i'm pretty annoyed that Yahoo hasn't put any ads for this show on Community, considering it might actually appeal to Community viewers more than the show they do run ads for constantly, Sin City Saints starring Tom Arnold.

some dude, Saturday, 18 April 2015 20:52 (nine years ago) link

Watched the first half or so of Other Space this weekend. it's cute, very MST3K (obviously), like a very low budget live action version of Futurama at points. Not amazing, but fun enough and it's some good potential. Really like the whole cast.

Nhex, Monday, 20 April 2015 19:30 (nine years ago) link

yeah i watched the first two eps of Other Space over the weekend, they were very fun!

bonkers candle ancestors (reddening), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 20:21 (nine years ago) link

weird to think that joel shows up in two shows I'm watching now (steven universe being the other).

bonkers candle ancestors (reddening), Tuesday, 21 April 2015 20:23 (nine years ago) link

car scene with the child cybercrime expert made it worth sitting through about 40 minutes of not very funny community.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 22 April 2015 04:00 (nine years ago) link

after being entertained but utterly uninvested this most recent episode is the first i've really liked, and the first where it's felt there's been any kind of real group dynamic to latch on to

cis-het shitlord (Merdeyeux), Friday, 24 April 2015 01:52 (nine years ago) link

i mostly enjoyed this completely ridiculous episode abt the movie despite myself

Clay, Wednesday, 29 April 2015 08:04 (eight years ago) link

-just watched the first episode of Other Space and liked it
-there is totes some really great Community moments this season; things we would of normally quoted a lot more by now

The Once-ler, Friday, 1 May 2015 13:58 (eight years ago) link

xpppp
Steven Universe has moved to the top rank in my Cartoon Network lineup. so much respect for that show
It's a little late now and also unrelated but since 'Over The Garden Wall' only got mentioned once in another thread, I'll go ahead here and back up the sentiment that it is one of the best things CN has ever produced.

The Once-ler, Friday, 1 May 2015 14:05 (eight years ago) link

^^ the frog boat

Mordy, Friday, 1 May 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Haven't been feeling this season much at all but I really enjoyed the giant hand one. The scene with the couple at the end was incredible.

Disliked the Star Wars one a lot, it felt very Season 4 in its combination of being underwritten and also trying too hard.

Matt DC, Sunday, 17 May 2015 20:03 (eight years ago) link

I watched a bunch of SNL videos today that were supposedly the best of this season. Every time one of the videos ended, the newest episode of Community began to autoplay in the video player. I guess that's one way to get people to watch this garbage!

polyphonic, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 22:33 (eight years ago) link

Has any critic who used to vocally ride for this show come out and said "I was wrong; this show sucks" yet? Feels like even most of its biggest proponents washed their hands of it long ago, but it would be really satisfying to hear just one admit it's always been gimmicky garbage

Evan R, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 03:06 (eight years ago) link

that would be pretty dishonest

Nhex, Wednesday, 20 May 2015 05:55 (eight years ago) link

maybe they could also whip themselves or cut off a pinky

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 14:02 (eight years ago) link

if it's always been garbage then why are you posting here during season 6 on a thread that rarely gets bumped. what the fuck do you care?

Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 14:04 (eight years ago) link

I realized the other day that I missed maybe 3-4 episodes of this season. Watched one last night (something about an RV and a giant hand), and it was ok (better than anything in S4, not as good as S5), but aggressively reinforced how much Shirley and Troy are needed. It really just made me want to watch a S1-S3 episode.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 20 May 2015 14:24 (eight years ago) link

this yahoo season is not amazing (at least not so far - i'm up to ep 7) but it turns out that i can enjoy watching anything that has cpt david anderson in it

Mordy, Wednesday, 27 May 2015 00:31 (eight years ago) link

The wedding episode was terrible, but it had O-Lan Jones as Garrett's mom! And this season's paintball episode was pretty solid.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 29 May 2015 16:13 (eight years ago) link

internet dudes are posting that Annie's Missing Lover gif everywhere, who'd have thunk it

never heard of this Mark Knobfler bloke (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 31 May 2015 00:59 (eight years ago) link

Elroy encouraging white people is one of the very few lolling moment of S6.

never heard of this Mark Knobfler bloke (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 31 May 2015 01:03 (eight years ago) link

very weird ending. i liked it - back to the sappy depressing roots of the show
amazing tag too

Nhex, Saturday, 6 June 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link

I'd hate to not see the final episode, but I dropped it after the first 3. Is there some stuff I need to know if I go in blind, or should I just suck it up and watch the episodes I didn't?

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 6 June 2015 17:13 (eight years ago) link

(S6 episodes, that is...I was all caught up to this season in case that wasn't clear.)

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 6 June 2015 17:14 (eight years ago) link

honestly no, just know that the last few episodes of the season focus on Jeff's fear of being abandoned and left behind as a general theme

but c'mon man, it's season six! i think there were plenty of funny moments to make the season worth "toughing" out. i say suck it up JF

Nhex, Saturday, 6 June 2015 17:27 (eight years ago) link

Ok cool. I'll do it. I owe it to them I guess for how much joy I got out of S1-S3.

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 6 June 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link

The last month or so was probably the most consistent of the season? Really it's all pretty good from the grifting episode on.

( who ALSO my boss and his sister!) (sic), Sunday, 7 June 2015 01:03 (eight years ago) link

yeah they hit a nice groove by the end. the structure of the finale irritated me but still a lot of good moments.

trap steen (some dude), Sunday, 7 June 2015 01:24 (eight years ago) link

Second half of S6 was pretty funny, they worked out how to integrate Elroy and Frankie and just ran from there. The run from the giant hand through to Garrett's wedding was very enjoyable.

If you're going to catch up I'd probably recommend the first half of S5 though, before Troy leaves - that run is really good and pretty close to recapturing the form of the series imperial phase IMO. The show lost a lot of heart when Donald Glover and Yvette Nicole Brown left and didn't quite work out how to recapture that - they shouldn't even try to make the movie without both of them involved.

Towards the end I found myself extremely irritated with Harmon's habit of making meta jokes about the show's obvious faults rather than addressing them, but on balance I'm glad S6 exists.

Matt DC, Sunday, 7 June 2015 10:34 (eight years ago) link

I didn't watch this season due to being busy. I really wish they'd just ended it after Season 3. 5 was p good but nothing like the prime. I'll probably watch it eventually. what were the best eps?

Hammer Smashed Bagels, Monday, 8 June 2015 00:14 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

The last month or so was probably the most consistent of the season? Really it's all pretty good from the grifting episode on.

the garrett's wedding episode was great!

on balance I'm glad S6 exists.

Me too.

appropriation and whatnot (stevie), Monday, 22 June 2015 11:29 (eight years ago) link

The final episode was pretty funny. Chang never became anything more than a cartoon character but had some of the funniest moments all season.

The Once-ler, Monday, 22 June 2015 12:09 (eight years ago) link

O-Lan Jones! I knew I had seen her before.

While I got alot of enjoyment out of this season, I would not be sad if it ended here. Season 6 had a very fan-fictiony spin-off vibe to it, and it felt more off and forced than even season 4. Harmon keeps getting thrown second chances to continue but has never used them to actually bring any closure to the story, and if his plan is to just drag this out for as long as he can keep the actors attached, then it needs to end.

someone's attractive cousin (st. nico), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 17:16 (eight years ago) link

i agree, but i'll give them credit in that it does feel like the end for Annie and Abed. it would be a tough sell, even worse than the last time, to have them come back to Greendale after that. With Abed's storyline especially, it felt like he was ready to go - he made a "real" movie and all, seriously at the end of his rope with all the meta stuff, Troy being gone, etc. Annie's FBI exit was rather ill-planned in comparison

The show can end here just as well - by season 6 tends you feel the death point of most great sitcoms anyway - though I would like a movie just to wrap up Troy and LeVar Burton's storyline (as well as Shirley and Malcolm Jamal-Warner... and whatever happened to Chang's ex-wife?)

Nhex, Tuesday, 23 June 2015 18:41 (eight years ago) link

I assume she just disappeared into the ether that is the world off the Greendale Campus...

I would still like there to be a movie, or some sort of one-off special like the Christmas Special of the Office. A "movie" opposed to a whole new season would be the best bet in being able getting as much of the main cast back together again. John Oliver and Chevy are never going to come back, and I guess Jonathan Banks is a no go, but we should at least get closure with Troy and Shirley in the fold.

someone's attractive cousin (st. nico), Tuesday, 23 June 2015 20:20 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

Alison Brie got engaged! ;_;

To Dave Franco. ;_; ;_; ;_;

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 17:15 (eight years ago) link

Is Gillian Jacobs still married to Gary Marshall?

Why because she True and Interesting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 25 August 2015 17:36 (eight years ago) link

feel yer pain JF

Nhex, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 19:43 (eight years ago) link

she's married worse

https://media.giphy.com/media/l41m1UCZiRDhAuoda/giphy.gif

balls, Tuesday, 25 August 2015 21:28 (eight years ago) link

four months pass...

yahoo-screen-dead-and-its-probably-because-it-was-poorly-designed-ill-planned-and-incompetently-capitalis-23029

glandular lansbury (sic), Tuesday, 5 January 2016 04:38 (eight years ago) link

yahoo-screen-is-dead-what-was-yahoo-screen-an-explain-6275309

big WHOIS aka the nameserver (s.clover), Tuesday, 5 January 2016 06:11 (eight years ago) link

lol

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 5 January 2016 19:52 (eight years ago) link

Wasn't this basically the equivalent of creating a cable network that only had one show? I wonder why that didn't work out for them.

Beef Wets (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 5 January 2016 19:59 (eight years ago) link

I think they actually had three or four shows. That terrible Sin City Saints with Malin Akerman and the surprisingly good Other Space. And another one I'm forgetting.

Nhex, Tuesday, 5 January 2016 20:03 (eight years ago) link

The Whatthewhat with whozit now?

Beef Wets (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 5 January 2016 20:07 (eight years ago) link

Sadly it is show about a fake NBA team in Vegas rather than what we're probably all hoping for with that title and star

Nhex, Tuesday, 5 January 2016 20:09 (eight years ago) link

It also stars Tom Arnold and Rick Fox. I lasted two episodes

Nhex, Tuesday, 5 January 2016 20:10 (eight years ago) link

This is the path I expect to see many of these stupid balkanized streaming services taking until they wise up and realize that they need to join forces instead of living in an imaginary fairyland where people shell out for twelve different versions of Netflix every month. And this one wasn't even a paid service.

Beef Wets (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 5 January 2016 20:13 (eight years ago) link

what if they'd lucked into a game of thrones type-phenomenon...

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 5 January 2016 20:27 (eight years ago) link

other space was great r.i.p.

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Tuesday, 5 January 2016 20:28 (eight years ago) link

xp it's actually getting even worse for the moment - you should see those Amazon Prime "add-on" channels, it's absurd how many of these things that have popped up this past year. shoutout to exploitation.tv though!

Nhex, Tuesday, 5 January 2016 20:59 (eight years ago) link

Other Space >>>>>>> Community

the naive cockney chorus (Simon H.), Tuesday, 5 January 2016 21:01 (eight years ago) link

Yahoo had done three seasons of the excellent Burning Love before Community

glandular lansbury (sic), Tuesday, 5 January 2016 21:16 (eight years ago) link

seven months pass...

Guys, HULU just put up season 6!

Quarter measures (sunny successor), Friday, 19 August 2016 13:58 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

all4 in the uk now has all (70+) of these available for streaming (free!)

(i've just recently bought seasons 6 and 7 on dvd and watched them all 3 or 4 at a time)

koogs, Monday, 30 July 2018 13:28 (five years ago) link

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/community

koogs, Monday, 30 July 2018 13:28 (five years ago) link

(i've just recently bought seasons 6 and 7 on dvd and watched them all 3 or 4 at a time)

Atlanta is not S7 of Community FYI

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Monday, 30 July 2018 20:27 (five years ago) link

my partner peaced out on the last couple of seasons of Community and I kindof wish I had too, looking back on it

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Monday, 30 July 2018 20:38 (five years ago) link

season six had some larfs

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 30 July 2018 20:44 (five years ago) link

thanks koogs!

kinder, Monday, 30 July 2018 21:13 (five years ago) link

Ha, wow, I honestly didn't realize there was s6. I still love the first two seasons.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Monday, 30 July 2018 21:51 (five years ago) link

Oh, I mean 5 and 6 then. Was a good 3 year gap between the end of 4 and the last couple but I enjoyed them.

I hope Chevy never listens to the commentary tracks...

Odd how Troy ended up murdering that choir...

koogs, Monday, 30 July 2018 21:57 (five years ago) link

yeah, 5 and 6 are very good and funny for how beleagured the productions were. both of them are more like reboots than continuations - I think composer Ludwig Goransson was the only person who continued across all seasons? - and 6 is a separate reboot from 5.

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Monday, 30 July 2018 22:14 (five years ago) link

The first half of season 5 is great, but it really loses some heart after Troy left. By the time they got to 6 it was really obvious that the whole thing was being propped up way after the end of its natural lifespan, and it just fizzled out at the end.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:58 (five years ago) link

Natural lifespan of a community college education = 2 years

Srsly, s3 was hit and miss for me and I found s4 unwatchable. Any chance 5&6 would be worth it?

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:47 (five years ago) link

They're hit-and-miss but definitley better than S4. That season's a whole different deal, no Harmon and all that.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 11:25 (five years ago) link

Keith David and Paget Brewster, along with a (mostly) more relaxed tone make season 6 really great, imo.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:27 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

Just finished season three again and wow it is so obvious that Donald Glover had a compressed schedule so they just filmed all the air conditioner repair school stuff in one go and slotted it around the rest.

Matt DC, Saturday, 18 January 2020 00:22 (four years ago) link

Might also have been to film all of Goodman’s scenes.

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Saturday, 18 January 2020 09:09 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

So Donald Glover is finally taking part in a Community event, a charity virtual table read. Just not sure that the middle of a Monday afternoon work day for most of the country makes a ton of sense, but do they just assume no one is working?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 8 May 2020 19:16 (three years ago) link

The read through ep is on YouTube - enjoyable waste of a half hour at home and good to see Troy and Shirley back.

https://youtu.be/V6Q_nlSULio

BRAVE THE AFRIAD (onimo), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link

Apparently this podcast or whatever it is is a hoot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1muNqPgekog

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link

i watched the table read, it was really great, especially when pedro pascal kept breaking at the end.

man, donald glover could've been the best comedic actor of his generation. he is...not the best musician of his generation, but he headlined coachella, so it seems to be working fine for him.

sleight return (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 16:14 (three years ago) link

don't sleep on the comedic aspects of Atlanta

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 16:18 (three years ago) link

To his credit, Atlanta is so good its comedic aspects come in, like, third.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link

he's great in atlanta (as an actor and the creative mind behind it), but i still think his greatest talent is in broader, more overtly comedic styles.

sleight return (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link

he could've been eddie murphy, but it's just as well that he chose to be donald glover instead (let's not talk about childish gambino)

sleight return (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 16:48 (three years ago) link

he's 36. you guys are high.

Yerac, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 16:50 (three years ago) link

idk what his age has to do with anything?

sleight return (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:01 (three years ago) link

By 36 Eddie Murphy had hit the family movie stage of his career, fwiw. "Nutty Professor," et al.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:01 (three years ago) link

so high.

Yerac, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link

Wait, "so high" for pointing out the fact that Murphy was into his family flick phase by 36?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link

high above me, she’s so lovely

sleight return (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:19 (three years ago) link

yeah. this is so irritating i can't even gather the energy to type out how irritating and bad these throwaway takes on donald glover are because it could go on for paragraphs.

Yerac, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link

plus i am not even a "fan" so yeah... i don't know why I keep opening this.

Yerac, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:25 (three years ago) link

Do ittttt

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:26 (three years ago) link

when this thread began I doubt anyone here could have predicted much of what happened with Glover's career. "He could have been the next Eddie Murphy" is a weird take, since people in the future will be saying "he could be the next Donald Glover."

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link

Yeah, I have no problem with the current Donald Glover or his c/v.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:37 (three years ago) link

alls im sayin is that if he didn't have the ambition to become the world-conquering polymath that he is today and he decided to stick to his original milieu, he could've been equally successful. cause he's an outrageously talented comedic actor.

sleight return (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link

It's hard to say what his milieu is, exactly. Writer? Performer? Actor? Musician? Director? The weakest link on his resume seems to be movies. What made him (and really everyone) in Community so great is their gifts as team players. They're all "stars," even if by narrative default they orbit Joel McHale.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:46 (three years ago) link

Def. one of those shows where every character/actor could (and sometimes did) anchor an entire episode.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:47 (three years ago) link

having a successful/critically acclaimed prestige tv show that you created, star in and are the executive producer on, whose production gets delayed because you have to be Lando in a new Star Wars film, while also having a v successful music career (much more than Eddie Murphy ever had for a start) is a strange kind of failure.

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link

ha, he definitely is a world-conquering success.

sleight return (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link

im just a guy who despises the music of childish gambino idly speculating about a world where donald glover stuck to comedy.

sleight return (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 18:10 (three years ago) link

atlanta is better than community

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link

Maybe, but they're totally (and tonally) different animals.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link

decided to stick to his original milieu, he could've been equally successful. cause he's an outrageously talented comedic actor.

Before he became a sitcom actor on Community, he had already been part of a live sketch comedy group, a UCB improviser, a youtube writer/performer with millions of views, a salaried sitcom writer, a stand-up comedian, and had co-written a theatrically-released movie.

His original milieu, before all of those, was being in New York University's sketch team: it's fair to say that writing a couple of skits a month, which were performed anonymously by an ensemble at one free show monthly, exclusively to college students, would not have made him equally as successful if he'd kept it up for 18 years instead of doing a bunch of other things.

Bleeqwot (sic), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 20:16 (three years ago) link

he wrote for Kenneth on 30 RK

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 20:18 (three years ago) link

(said adoringly)

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 20:18 (three years ago) link

thanks for the explanation, amelia bedelia

sleight return (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 20:23 (three years ago) link

sic, you ever wonder if you're gonna get bored playing a board game?

sleight return (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link

let's talk about Danny Pudi instead. What's up with that guy?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 21:20 (three years ago) link

he's the voice of huey on ducktales

sleight return (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 21:22 (three years ago) link

He's on that new Apple TV show called "Mythic Quest," playing a morally questionable business dude who wants to add loot boxes to everything.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:08 (three years ago) link

Abed would totally be into loot boxes.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:11 (three years ago) link

Mythic Quest is also a show written by Community writer Megan Ganz, I think

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:13 (three years ago) link

Yeah, she' s in the mix. But she also did "Sunny in Philadelphia," which I think is the more direct link.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:48 (three years ago) link

decided to stick to his original milieu, he could've been equally successful. cause he's an outrageously talented comedic actor.

Before he became a sitcom actor on Community, he had already been part of a live sketch comedy group, a UCB improviser, a youtube writer/performer with millions of views, a salaried sitcom writer, a stand-up comedian, and had co-written a theatrically-released movie.

His original milieu, before all of those, was being in New York University's sketch team: it's fair to say that writing a couple of skits a month, which were performed anonymously by an ensemble at one free show monthly, exclusively to college students, would not have made him equally as successful if he'd kept it up for 18 years instead of doing a bunch of other things.

― Bleeqwot (sic), Wednesday, May 20, 2020 4:16 PM bookmarkflaglink

boooom

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:50 (three years ago) link

Kevin Hart is the current version of Eddie Murphy in terms of national stature and omnipresence I would say

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:51 (three years ago) link

I don't like Childish Gambino but I've come to respect the obvious will pushing it forward.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:53 (three years ago) link

Who was Eddie Murphy's Rock?

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:53 (three years ago) link

Nick Nolte

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 23:54 (three years ago) link

he wrote for Kenneth on 30 RK

(said adoringly)

― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved),

yah he is IRL from Stone Mountain, Georgia, so wrote loads of gags for / about Kenneth's background

Bleeqwot (sic), Thursday, 21 May 2020 02:45 (three years ago) link

when this thread began I doubt anyone here could have predicted much of what happened with Glover's career. "He could have been the next Eddie Murphy" is a weird take, since people in the future will be saying "he could be the next Donald Glover."

― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes)

he could have been the next Jordan Peele

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 21 May 2020 03:10 (three years ago) link

great revive

mookieproof, Thursday, 21 May 2020 03:14 (three years ago) link

who knew everyone felt that way about Childish Gambino

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 21 May 2020 04:02 (three years ago) link

great table read. like the P&R special, they've pried open my wallet

Nhex, Thursday, 21 May 2020 04:24 (three years ago) link

I look forward to his surprise stand-up special dropping in 2025.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 21 May 2020 04:55 (three years ago) link

Atlanta is so good he gets a free pass from me on like four more poor Prince impersonation singles.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 21 May 2020 04:56 (three years ago) link

look the kid’s brilliant, it doesnt really matter if you didnt dig his music

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 21 May 2020 04:58 (three years ago) link

he could have been the next Jordan Peele

JP never topped the Pazz and Jop singles poll, every kid's dream

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 21 May 2020 14:18 (three years ago) link

only managed to tie for #9 in Reissues in 1986

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/bigmouth/images/c/c9/Screenshot_47.png

Bleeqwot (sic), Thursday, 21 May 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link

we are rewatching S1 and there’s so many genuinely great moments in the early episodes

i forgot about Abed’s first movie “Six Candles” in episode 3 or 4? amazing

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 21 May 2020 20:33 (three years ago) link

it's funny because you'd never guess the show would get as zany as it did in the first season. it was never a grounded show and the characters and dialogue were sharp from the beginning but it was less set-piecey.

one of my fav eps is still the one where Pierce joins Vaughn's band.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 May 2020 21:57 (three years ago) link

We've been watching it from the beginning, me and a daughter, and it has aged really, really well.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 May 2020 22:35 (three years ago) link

a friend of mine is watching for the first time and his only word of complaint so far is that it "isn't believable." i've assured him that it only gets more realistic as it moves along.

sleight return (voodoo chili), Thursday, 21 May 2020 23:35 (three years ago) link

lol

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 May 2020 23:38 (three years ago) link

Ha, I'm glad people are coming around to my pov on s1. I think Abed's movie was as early as ep 2?

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 21 May 2020 23:39 (three years ago) link

Arrested Development just doesn’t have realistic family dynamics. 2/10 would not watch again

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 21 May 2020 23:41 (three years ago) link

been watching through S3 occasionally for a few months; gotta hurry up to get to the table-read ep.

Bleeqwot (sic), Friday, 22 May 2020 00:15 (three years ago) link

just watched that podcast episode #5 with surprise guest alison brie, pretty incredible

Nhex, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 10:34 (three years ago) link

It's wonderful how well they all get along and how funny they are all together. They never even get around to talking about "Community." Or anything, really!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 14:17 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

this is on Netflix

jazzed (it's a boy!), Thursday, 18 June 2020 00:06 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juk9K1LaxP4

jazzed (it's a boy!), Thursday, 18 June 2020 00:06 (three years ago) link

Still my favourite Dean Pelton moment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvzE64A28NI

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Thursday, 18 June 2020 09:32 (three years ago) link

ROFL

jazzed (it's a boy!), Thursday, 18 June 2020 19:49 (three years ago) link

stoked to not rewatch

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 18 June 2020 19:49 (three years ago) link

lol yes, as amazing as i remember it

Nhex, Thursday, 18 June 2020 20:15 (three years ago) link

We've been watching this, and we are a season or two beyond the D&D episode that apparently just got pulled for Chang in blackface. Which is weird to me, because I thought the joke was that he was all-in on OTT cosplay for a mundane D&D game, and that his black skin/white hair Dark Elf was just him emulating make-up from something like the Lord of the Rings movies. I had no idea that a Dark Elf (with black skin and white hair) was an actual D&D thing, but having learned that ... I still felt like the the gag was just him fully committing to a D&D game that all the rest of the crew were half-assing, and that it wasn't blackface, per se, it was just his face painted black. And he had white hair. Because he was a Dark Elf, which I now learn that in D&D lore has pitch black skin and white hair. Is that considered controversial? It's too bad, it's a really good episode. I mean, there's a lot more winking, ironic racism that is in this show - and dozens of shows - in service of a gag. Like, the Pierce character is nothing but racist/sexist/homophobic/xenophobic gags (with him always the butt of the joke, afaict), so why draw the line at Chang? Oh well. I guess it's good that Hollywood is at least aware and making an effort.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 June 2020 14:53 (three years ago) link

Yeah, and Shirley even described his costume as a hate crime. I was joking last week that I wanted to make sure my copy was stable in case it got pulled and now it happened?

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link

With 30 Rock, there are actually WERE things I found questionable or possibly offensive, none of which were addressed by pulling the blackface episodes.

This, though, is easily one of the least racist shows I've ever seen on network TV. The cast and writing staff were diverse, the characters weren't just stereotypes, the bigotry was always ridiculed. Plus the AD&D episode was one of their best.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link

Were there actually any complaints or protests about this?

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Sunday, 28 June 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link

I don't think so? When she called it a hate crime I thought it was just supposed to be hyperbole, a little bit of lampshading about it coming dangerously close to being legit offensive, but also like calling a bad movie a crime against humanity or something.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 June 2020 16:31 (three years ago) link

And Chang being oblivious to it even possibly being offensive akin to David Cross in "Arrested Development" painting himself blue and being oblivious to all the "blue himself" jokes.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 June 2020 16:34 (three years ago) link

Yeah, I don't disagree. I just meant that it showed that the writers of the episode were clearly not clueless themselves and were pointing out the complexities of the issue in the dialogue of the show AND being funny. I doubt that anyone took the message that blackface minstrelsy/appropriation is OK or was laughing at the expense of African-Americans.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Sunday, 28 June 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link

Iirc, Pierce also called Chang "Al Jolson" in that ep?

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Sunday, 28 June 2020 17:34 (three years ago) link

Oh god, I read too many of these books as a kid.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drizzt_Do'Urden

I never really watched this show, but the idea of a blackface controversy over Drizzt cosplay (either in the show or irl) is funny.

change display name (Jordan), Sunday, 28 June 2020 17:35 (three years ago) link

xpost See, I think that's clever, because Chang wasn't being intentionally racist (well, I guess "Dark Elf" is a pretend race), but Shirley and Pierce recognized it as problematic, for different reasons that were nonetheless still in character. Good show!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 June 2020 20:54 (three years ago) link

These censorships are getting stupider too fast to even process: Hulu have pulled a Golden Girls episode where two of the golden girls got mud masks at a day spa

an, uh, razor of love (sic), Monday, 29 June 2020 00:21 (three years ago) link

I do believe in taking down actual problematic material, but a lot of these recent moves seem performative, as if they're doing it so they're seen as doing something.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 June 2020 00:31 (three years ago) link

I prefer the content note approach

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 29 June 2020 01:42 (three years ago) link

So you all know that the reason drow elves are dark-skinned is because their goddess corrupted them with evil, right?

I am not saying they should have pulled the episode (in fact, I think pulling it is incredibly fucking dumb) but the source material it's using has a bunch of shady shit in it, which is why Wizards of the Coast recently announced they were dropping the entire concept of "good races" and "evil races". The humor presented in the episode is explicit naming of a subtext running through the backstory of the drow.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 29 June 2020 14:01 (three years ago) link

I only learned that this week from my D&D friends!

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 June 2020 14:33 (three years ago) link

Yeah, I had no idea. For pseudo-blackface, that's a pretty subtle sitcom gag.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 June 2020 14:42 (three years ago) link

Given the in-show reactions to Chang's costume, I think pulling the episode is beyond cowardly. It's the exact same impulse that leads to the conclusion that "colorblindness" is desired and aspirational. Shirley's hate crime line is one of my favorites of the entire show and that episode is probably my favorite of the entire series; more importantly, even in the context of the show and the subliminal shitty stuff in the D&D source material, IT WASN'T BLACKFACE and had absolutely nothing to do with minstrelized representations of Black people AND was used in the show to both obliquely and directly criticize said representations. Removing it is incredibly fucking stupid.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 29 June 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link

I don't care if you're black or white or yellow or green or elf ...

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 June 2020 15:51 (three years ago) link

Thank you falettinme be mice elf

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 29 June 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link

I'd never seen anything past season 3, and oof, the first few episodes of season 4 are indeed as totally, noticeably off and/or bad as I'd heard, enough so that my daughter was getting kind of angry and I actually googled "can I skip season 4 of Community?"

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 13:04 (three years ago) link

Yeah just skip the whole thing. Beginning of Season 5 is really great but there's a noticeable drop-off after Troy leaves.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 13:12 (three years ago) link

"Herstory of Dance" was OK iirc. Otherwise, s4 was basically unwatchable imo. S5 was a little better in comparison but still didn't do much for me; the premise of the show had p much fallen apart by then.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 13:23 (three years ago) link

was the giancarlo esposito video game episode in s4? i remember liking that at the time

ACABincalifornia (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 14:30 (three years ago) link

We are about halfway through S2 on our rewatch, that season is just fire after fire after fire.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 14:31 (three years ago) link

xpost No, that one is in season 3, I think.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 14:32 (three years ago) link

Yeah, "Digital Estate Planning", the video game ep, is s3. S4 was done without Harmon and was not even really the same show.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:01 (three years ago) link

I don't remember 4 being quite as bad as everyone says. It was a bit weak, but so were seasons 5 and 6; still worthwhile.

Nhex, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:09 (three years ago) link

Also the realization later why he was fired for that season, yikes.

Nhex, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:09 (three years ago) link

season six is also worth your time, Paget Brewster and Keith David have some great moments

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:15 (three years ago) link

Indeed, the cameos and guests seem like the best reason to give S4 a shot.

xpost Which realization, the Ganz stuff? I thought he gave a lengthy apology that she accepted and even complemented. That doesn't seem to be why he was fired, though, at least not directly. His behavior as showrunner was supposedly just generally inconsiderate, unprofessional stuff, afaict, though it's curious that the first three seasons are great with him despite all of this alleged unprofessional behavior, and that after he leaves 1) the show takes a big dip, no matter what you think of S4, 2) they immediately bring him *back*, partly at the request of the cast. So if I had to guess I would go out on a limb and say he was ultimately fired over ... money.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:24 (three years ago) link

I thought the final straw was shouting 'fuck you Chevy' at the S3 wrap party?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:31 (three years ago) link

Final straw for Chevy, maybe.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:36 (three years ago) link

xp Yeah, I was talking about the Ganz stuff. By his own admission/apology, it sounded pretty rank. (That said, as funny as he is, he comes off as a total alcoholic asshole in a lot of his Harmontown spewings.)

Nhex, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 16:16 (three years ago) link

Be a shame if he was fired over saying something that every single person on that set was thinking on a constant basis, considering everything I've heard about Chevy on that show.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 16:19 (three years ago) link

Checking the episode list on IMDB, and outside of the Inspector Spacetime convention and the origin stories one (and I guess some of the Chang stuff), I don't remember S4 at all. Fwiw, it was also only 13 eps.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link

Actually, the last three seasons were 13 episodes each.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 16:35 (three years ago) link

S4 was dire. I agree with Matt DC that season 5 was actually worthwhile, but gradually started to sink after Troy left. but compared to S4, it was a breath of fresh air to actually find the show funny again.

I always felt they should have hung it up after 3 seasons. Season 4 was my worst fear, realized - without Harmon, everybody sort of just tried to recreate an archetype of Community without nailing, well...any of its essence. they had characters acting atypically for no apparent reason, the humor was all forced. I think by episode 4, I had turned to my brother (who I watched it with religiously) and asked "have we laughed once this season?". He kept watching, I gradually gave up. I've seen most of that season, but there's several I have never seen.

I also haven't liked what I've seen of Season 6. If it were some other show in its first season, it'd be mildly amusing, but doesn't really get further than "slightly above average"

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link

the Sophie B Hawkins dance was exactly the type of ridiculous setup that would have paid 22 minutes of dividends in the first 3 seasons, and they just squandered the potential. it was one of the more watchable eps, but I remember being disappointed as the premise had promise

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link

It just hit me last night that we never saw season 6 when it moved to Yahoo! (god, remember that?) so that will actually all be new to us when we get there.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 16:43 (three years ago) link

I had that memory too, and started watching it during lockdown. it's definitely better than 4. and i"ll give a few more eps a chance.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link

I remember the end of S3 being just as bad as S4

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 17:37 (three years ago) link

Having come to it late and binge watched it all about the start of lockdown, I didn't see a huge drop off in quality for S4. Probably no real high points but not actively bad.

Mud... jam... failure (aldo), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 18:43 (three years ago) link

First time watching the show ever on netflix. i bailed halfway through season 5. the first two seasons are so, so good. I really disliked like 80% of the high concept episodes. The claymation and video game episodes I could barely watch.

Yerac, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 18:49 (three years ago) link

I remember the end of S3 being just as bad as S4

Yeah, the Chang dynasty and Greendale coup stuff was garbage. I also hated the one where Abed was 'addicted' to hiring actors to do impressions (or something like that?) S1 is actually my favourite. The storylines and characters are strongest imo and it was so fresh and fun. They never knew what to do with Chang after he was no longer a Spanish teacher. S3 is when the decline really started for me but it got by on lols and ambition. Love the claymation Christmas ep though.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link

They really seemed to start leaning on Abed's character/the actor a lot to carry the show. I don't know if it's because of actor conflicts or the character was very popular at the time?

Yerac, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:11 (three years ago) link

The writers very obviously loved Abed

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:13 (three years ago) link

(IMO, obviously)

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link

Ii just missed the ensemble-ness of the first two seasons which was made even worse when Troy leaves.

Yerac, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:16 (three years ago) link

The show was definitely better when everyone could potentially be seen as the series lead.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link

They messed up Chang, he was far more interesting and funny as a badass. Turning him into a pathetic loser was bad writing.

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:20 (three years ago) link

They leaned on Abed so heavily because he was the best character through which they could insert the pop culture references and meta narratives.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:23 (three years ago) link

Harmon thought of Abed as a stand-in for himself

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:45 (three years ago) link

He's definitely more of a Jeff, though.

Fetchboy, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:00 (three years ago) link

iirc he imagined himself as the Jeff, but came to realise how much of an Abed he is

(though all the group are intended as aspects of his personality, and he had Feelings about Britta being disparaged by real people due to the degree he identified with her)


yes, you can absolutely skip S4, although one character from the Sophie B Hawkins dance shows up for a few seconds in a S5 episode

bat ain't Thad (sic), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:50 (three years ago) link

The scenes between Abed & Jeff were some of the best moments of S1 and 2, i wish they would have done more with their friendship

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:51 (three years ago) link

a shipping perhaps

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 21:55 (three years ago) link

They never knew what to do with Chang after he was no longer a Spanish teacher.


otm. As great as S2 is, so many (but not all) of the Chang premises feel shoehorned-in. And the early S3 run of him working as a security guard (the matchbooks, the mannequin leg, etc.) felt forced.

Yeah, the Chang dynasty and Greendale coup stuff was garbage.


Weirdly, I dug this, and thought it worked. The slightly-batshit Chang scenarios didn’t always (or often) work; the completely-batshit ones did.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 00:26 (three years ago) link

They leaned on Abed so heavily because he was the best character through which they could insert the pop culture references and meta narratives.

I also think Pudi was possibly the best actor. Imo, though, when they leaned on him, they started trying too hard to play up his 'quirks', veering into Sheldon Cooper territory. It really did feel like they were trying to play to the social media fan response by s3. It stopped being a quirky funny show about students studying at a community college and became more about idk going hard on whatever 'concept' generated the buzz last time or something.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 00:45 (three years ago) link

I feel like Pudi was the first one who fully enveloped his character. in the early episodes, the other actors are definitely game, and are surprisingly close to what their characters become fairly early on, but Pudi was pretty much already there from the jump, whereas the others had to sand off a few rough edges.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 01:31 (three years ago) link

Maybe it's harder to watch as a binge vs weekly; I would just sigh super loud every time it was a high concept episode on one idea, lazy bullshit. I honestly thought maybe they were centering on Abed because he was the only actor showing up and memorizing his lines on time.

Yerac, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 01:35 (three years ago) link

Well, there was a lot of fan enthusiasm for both Abed and the high-concept episodes. Really don't think that e.g. doing a claymation introspection into the emotional state of an detached student with divorced parents was just cutting corners for the sake of cutting corners.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 01:51 (three years ago) link

*a detached

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 01:51 (three years ago) link

that's why i think the binge probably isn't the best way of watching some of it. It gets very gimmicky back to back. I did like the paintball, buttcrack and D&D episodes though.

Yerac, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 01:57 (three years ago) link

I loved the high concept episodes, personally, though I liked when they balanced them with more "grounded" (relatively speaking) eps since the writing and acting was sharp enough to carry almost anything.

but I didn't binge the show, I pretty much watched it in real time from the middle of Season 1 on, so not sure how I'd feel about watching more than 2 eps in a night. I hate the concept of binging though. once I sit through ANYTHING for more than a few hours, I need a break, and it starts to diminish my enjoyment.

even the metal cruise I went on this year that was one of the best times of my life, there were definitely breaks in my schedule, lol

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 02:00 (three years ago) link

like my favorite episode is still the Christmas ep with Anthony Michael Hall, which was relatively grounded, just because the scenes with Hall and McHale about made me pee

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 02:01 (three years ago) link

We usually watch 1 or 2 episodes a night while we eat dinner, feels like a better way to dole them out

My favorite is the Christmas claymation; and a close second is the Law & Order parody episode about the murdered yam

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 02:24 (three years ago) link

does abed ever do anything actually wrong, such that the group needs to bring him back into line? i don't think weird counts

certainly everyone else does

freaking out ever so slightly that this is 11 years old and even the youngsters are now in their late 30s

mookieproof, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 02:30 (three years ago) link

we went through about one season a week until I dropped off in season five ( I still catch glimpses because spouse is slogging through season 6 which looks terrible). But netflix is the only tv/platform we have besides 'random streaming'. I think i may just really subconsciously dislike claymation.

Yerac, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 02:32 (three years ago) link

"Mixology Certification" was the first ep I saw and still my favourite (maybe tied with "Remedial Chaos Theory"). I wish more of the series had that tone.

jmm, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 02:38 (three years ago) link

does abed ever do anything actually wrong, such that the group needs to bring him back into line? i don't think weird counts

He was (deludedly and unintentionally) vandalizing property at the start of the claymation Christmas episode, which prompted the whole therapy session.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 02:48 (three years ago) link

the only real wrong thing that he did was alienate his girlfriend in the episode where they played the VHS game to determine who would get to be the new roommate to replace Troy.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 03:03 (three years ago) link

Also made out with Annie in a rain of paint and then blew her off when he was out of character in the second paintball episode.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 03:10 (three years ago) link

also used mustard gas on some of his Spanish classmates in that one ep

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 03:11 (three years ago) link

well shit. my mistake, abed's an asshole

mookieproof, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 03:12 (three years ago) link

serious answer, though, no, he was about as pure as they came, though he occasionally upset people due to his aloofness, which usually wasn't his fault. i.e. the person at the bar that kept buying him drinks and Abed wasn't interested in him.

or the ep where he starts burning everyone but he was 'programmed' to do so by the ladies of Spanish club and he quickly relinquished his power.

I definitely know a few Abeds irl

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 03:16 (three years ago) link

this watch of community led me to sympathize with the whole Brie Larson is a terrible actress thing. because omg she is terrible in Community.

Yerac, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 03:23 (three years ago) link

sophie b hawkins is better in it than brie larson. Chevy Chase is better in it than Brie Larson.

Yerac, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 03:24 (three years ago) link

Does she appear in anything other than the role of the library clerk in "Herstory of Dance"? Or do you mean Alison Brie, in which case, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 03:26 (three years ago) link

who are the best actors named after cheese

mookieproof, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 03:26 (three years ago) link

she had a follow-up episode with Abed in Season 5 ("VCR MAINTENANCE AND EDUCATIONAL PUBLISHING")

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 03:29 (three years ago) link

yeah she was in two episodes and that was right around when i became disinterested so I had assumed (wrongly) she may have reappeared again.

I like Alison Brie. Except her Franco.

Yerac, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 03:31 (three years ago) link

someone did tell me this thread was heavy on Alison Brie horniness but I didn't read the backlog.

Yerac, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 03:32 (three years ago) link

the whole internet was heavy on alison brie horniness back then

j., Wednesday, 8 July 2020 03:38 (three years ago) link

Don't think that ever actually stopped

Nhex, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 04:02 (three years ago) link

Jeff's pants went to regionals

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 04:20 (three years ago) link

Abed destroying Professor Hickey's drawings and wanting to go to his Kickpuncher screening in costume without apologising or making amends, just because it was what he wanted to do in the moment, was not exactly right

also, planning to murder his entire friend group while wearing a fake beard may have been an example of him being in the wrong

bat ain't Thad (sic), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 04:24 (three years ago) link

I forgot all about the former

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 04:27 (three years ago) link

Abed: Motherfucker With Dark Secrets

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 04:35 (three years ago) link

UK people - this is showing from S01E01 on 4Music (freeview 29) on sunday from 22:00 (it's been on all4 for a while, i think. don't know how complete that is though)

(takes a couple of episodes to find its feet)

koogs, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 08:58 (three years ago) link

FWIW there are plenty of episodes I've watched five or six times but I don't think any of those occur after the festive Glee Club episode halfway through season three, which is the series' last straight-up classic I think. It's still funny after that but it loses something in its tone, a bit of the heart goes, and that's in large part down to the treatment of Abed's character.

He's at his best when he's slightly weird, obviously a vector for all sorts of pop-cultural adventures, but also the sanest one in the group. The weirder they make him the less funny he gets and it's a sign of a show starting to overreach itself and lose sight of what it's really good at - anything involving the Dreamatorium, Inspector Spacetime, Chang taking over the college or the Air Conditioner Repair School falls flat.

The multiple timelines episode is a masterpiece but it's also kind of the show's undoing. But there are still great episodes later on - the Jeff/Shirley fussball episode with Nick Kroll as the dickhead German guy really sticks in my mind, Jeff and Shirley is an underrated comic pairing in the show generally.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 09:28 (three years ago) link

just watched the 'abed recreates goodfellas with chicken tenders' episode and i really wonder how much it cost them to use 'layla'

mookieproof, Monday, 13 July 2020 03:09 (three years ago) link

iirc their most expensive licence ever was the two-note "dun-dunn" from Law & Order

bat ain't Thad (sic), Monday, 13 July 2020 04:08 (three years ago) link

I wonder how these music licenses are all negotiated. I watched "Palm Springs" over the weekend, and it's packed with music that probably didn't cost *too* much, like John Cale, or Patrick Cowley, or Gene Clark. But then there is a long sequence set to the "The Brazilian," by Genesis, and I thought, huh, how was that worked out? On one hand, it's an instrumental, on the other, it's an instrumental from "Invisible Touch" in a low budget film. Hmm. It seems like there used to be more conflicts with music licensing in TV and movies than there is today. Maybe labels and artists have a little less sway these days, or recognize the value of getting a song placed in a show or movie?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 July 2020 14:45 (three years ago) link

Palm Springs in particular got the biggest signing deal ever at Sundance, so they were probably able to pay any licensing costs after the fact

Nhex, Monday, 13 July 2020 14:47 (three years ago) link

Freaks and Geeks still probably one of the craziest given how much classic rock was in that show that had to be negotiated for home release

Nhex, Monday, 13 July 2020 14:48 (three years ago) link

And why it will never be on a streaming service, according to Apatow. Which reminds me, I still need to get the Blu-Ray before that becomes prohibitively expensive.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 July 2020 14:52 (three years ago) link

Wait, I've watched Freaks and Geeks on Netflix Canada.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Monday, 13 July 2020 14:56 (three years ago) link

xxpost Yeah, that's the one I was thinking of in particular. But Palm Springs ... they got a pile of cash after the fact, but you can't just screen a film with unpaid for music in it before you get picked up for distribution, can you? There's that story of Peter Bogdanovich's "Mask," where he included a bunch of Springsteen in it, but apparently there was a misunderstanding and the studio realized the contract wasn't secure, so at the last minute replaced Bruce with Bob Seger, which iirc Bogdanovich only learned of at the premiere. It took over 20 years for those music rights to Springsteen to get resolved, and that was apparently *with* the artist's blessing.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 July 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link

it's a lot easier to negotiate sync licenses as income from recorded music shrinks.

palm springs was an indie film but had a decent-sized budget. there was a making-of article in the ringer last week and it explained that once samberg/lonely island got involved after the script stage, there was a budget increase. probably enough to buy the rights to some songs.

ACABincalifornia (voodoo chili), Monday, 13 July 2020 15:11 (three years ago) link

I think it was on Netflix at one point, because I swear I watched an episode years ago, but apparently it's not on any streaming service now and unlikely to be anytime soon:

Judd Apatow is clearing the air about one of his beloved shows, Freaks and Geeks!

Freaks and Geeks is an American teen comedy-drama television series created by Paul Feig and executive-produced by Judd that aired on NBC during the 1999–2000 television season, but it isn’t available for viewing on any streaming service.

It helped launch several of its actors’ careers, such as James Franco, Seth Rogen, Jason Segel and Busy Philipps.

Amy Kaufman, author of the New York Times best seller “Bachelor Nation,” took to Twitter to direct the question to Judd himself: “Is it actually possible that ‘Freaks & Geeks‘ is not streaming anywhere and is also not available for digital purchase anywhere??? @JuddApatow”

Judd responded on Twitter, revealing that the unavailability is due to music copyright: “The music needs to be cleared for Freaks and Geeks and Undeclared. If it isn’t, your DVD will be all there is.”

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 July 2020 15:22 (three years ago) link

Oh yeah, it was a few years ago.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Monday, 13 July 2020 15:24 (three years ago) link

xp Josh - speaking from my "professional" experience - the cost to license festival screenings / one-time shows is usually far, far less than for theatrical / tv / home video. Most labels would take that easy money for a short-term license for sure, with the artist's permission.

Nhex, Monday, 13 July 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link

Huh, thanks, that's sort of what I suspected. Re: budget, supposedly "Palm Springs" cost $5 million. Fwiw, "American Psycho" cost $7 million, and I guess that was enough to cover at least one Genesis song and one Phil Collins song, among other needle drops. That was 2000 money, though, with a pretty big indie backing it.

Anyway, odd that "Community" could afford stuff like "Layla" but "Freaks and Geeks" or "Undeclared" can't. I think Shout Factory owns the rights to F&G, who shelled out for F&G music on DVD, maybe they just don't feel like shelling out again.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 July 2020 16:16 (three years ago) link

To be fair, there's probably a huge difference between one use of "Layla" and almost every single F&G episode having anywhere between 4 and 7 classic rock staples.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 July 2020 16:18 (three years ago) link

the songs used in palm springs are not super well-known, besides maybe **spoilers i guess** 'cloudbusting' and 'the partisan' **spoilers over**, probably could be covered by $500k or less of that budget.

ACABincalifornia (voodoo chili), Monday, 13 July 2020 16:26 (three years ago) link

Yeah that's why I specifically cited the song from 'Invisible Touch."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 July 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link

since it's being discussed here, Palm Springs was a decent lil movie. Samberg about as good as Murray in Groundhog Day even as they are referencing it as the most obvious touchstone, Miloti quite good also, some groanworthy bits

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 13 July 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link

Yeah, there's some gags thrown for little more than the sake of just a gag thrown in, imo. Like the fork gag. Vibe reminded me as much of "Eternal Sunshine" and "Groundhog," actually, though nowhere near as good as either. Still good, regardless.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 July 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link

re: song licensing, if the owner of the master recording and the publisher have a favored-nations deal, whatever you pay the owner of the master, you have to pay the publisher. In an instance where a tv show wanted "Who Are You," MCA/Universal said, "OK, we want $150,000," which meant the show would pay out $300,000 total. But they also went to the publisher/Pete Townshend, who said, "eh, gimme $7500," and the show got it for (an apparently dirt-cheap) $15,000.

That said, I seem to remember Dan Harmon saying that "Layla" was a huge outlay that put the season way over-budget.

(and I'm not sure how one would negotiate with or even contact Jim Gordon...or, for that matter, if he even still gets money from "Layla." I assume he doesn't.)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 13 July 2020 19:48 (three years ago) link

We finished S4 over the weekend - I was ok with the averageness of the season for a while but the last handful of episodes were definitely dire. Especially the weird puppet musical about being lost in the woods

Harmon’s return hasnt made me feel like like it’s a ~massive~ upswing in quality, its not like day/night, but i think the jokes definitely at least seem to land better idk

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 July 2020 19:51 (three years ago) link

also i have no memory of s5 at all so far, so maybe i peaced out completely during s4 the first time round

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 13 July 2020 19:52 (three years ago) link

Is the Yahoo series on Netflix? I don't remember if I ever saw any of that...

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Monday, 13 July 2020 20:04 (three years ago) link

it is.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 July 2020 20:18 (three years ago) link

That's a big part of what prompted our rewatch, realizing that we had never seen the Yahoo season.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 13 July 2020 20:19 (three years ago) link

The puppet musical pissed me off so much

shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 13 July 2020 20:23 (three years ago) link

Like, just remembering it going back and destroying all the good will my rewatch of Community had rebuilt.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 13 July 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link

McHale: “How much did it cost to buy this song [“Layla”]?”

Harmon: I don’t know the dollar amount. It’s expensive. You got an episodic budget, you get a music budget. I’ll pull a number out of my butt. If you want a moderately well-known song, you pay $50,000 to put it into your episode, basically.”

mookieproof, Monday, 13 July 2020 20:29 (three years ago) link

We skipped a few episodes of S4 and went to S5, and ... the first couple of episodes of S5 still haven't quite righted the ship. But it does seem to be trying.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 July 2020 20:36 (three years ago) link

XP

That sounds about right. In their early days, Blender did an article about putting a film soundtrack together and their source said that a track from a breaking Rock band would be about $25-50 thou*, well-known Classic Rock songs started at $50 thou, a Bowie or Stones song would be $250 thou, and the Beatles were $500 thou. I imagine those prices haven't changed too much in the ensuing 15+ years.

*This doesn't cover labels actively trying to place new songs, like you see on alot of MTV/VH1 shows or sitcoms like IIRC Malcolm In The Middle.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 13 July 2020 20:45 (three years ago) link

I read a thing once which said that the Stones price to use their songs in a movie was actually pretty cheap - but they would charge a ton if you wanted to then use it on the actual released soundtrack.

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 13 July 2020 20:52 (three years ago) link

I can believe that. I remember hearing "Neighbors" on an episode of Ed, and wondering how that was swung.

I imagine one factor is whether the recording is controlled by the band or Abkco?

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 13 July 2020 21:07 (three years ago) link

“Neighbors” is on Tattoo You, iirc, so it was long after they’d freed themselves from Allen Klein.

But the Stones still apparently have some say in their Abkco-controlled work, or else they wouldn’t be able to sue Trump for using “You Can’t Always Get What You Want.”

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 13 July 2020 21:43 (three years ago) link

The puppet musical pissed me off so much


Yes! It made me viscerally angry! It felt like some random mediocre sitcom was doing a shitty version of a high-concept Community episode.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 13 July 2020 21:47 (three years ago) link

I don't even remember it. Guess i tapped out by then

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 July 2020 23:22 (three years ago) link

I wanna know, did the other shoe ever drop in Pierce's rap battle with Vaughn ("he has a big poop breakfast/and a glass of pee").

Vaughn said it wasn't over but i never recall a revenge follow up in credits

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 July 2020 23:24 (three years ago) link

xps a friend of mine made a small budget horror in which three Metallica songs were kind of essential as touchstones - the band looked at it and basically let him use them for the legal fees, which was pretty astonishing. No soundtrack released but DVDs etc.

assert (MatthewK), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 00:10 (three years ago) link

Oh God the puppet musical with Sara Bareilles songs

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 00:31 (three years ago) link

those songs were straightup garbage

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 01:05 (three years ago) link

Plus the episode itself was racist

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 10:33 (three years ago) link

Well now I'm glad i never saw it.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 10:56 (three years ago) link

I don't remember it at all, which sounds like a mercy, tbh.

I think Dan Harmon also said that the Abba songs for the Halloween episode were hard to get, because Abba rarely allow their stuff to be used in TV programmes (wouldn't want to Sully the legacy of Mama Mia, after all).

"What is up with that cat?"
"Is someone throwing it?"
Still one of my favourites.

trishyb, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 11:58 (three years ago) link

I watched Community from the very beginning and just rewatched season one and half of season two on netflix.

It's easier in retrospect to see the tonal shift that it made after season 1, getting more self-referential and mean. And the way that Britta was turned into a punching bag was disappointing when I watched the show at the time but seeing it within a matter of days made it more conspicuous. Britta was such a great character at the beginning, cool but complicated, clever but ignorant, selfish but performative. Knowing what I know about Dan Harmon now (and the fact that Britta was apparently based on his ex-gf?)I can't help but see her being debased for laughs, rather than it being an attempt to make her character "funnier". I watched 30 Rock at the same time as Community (NBC had a killer lineup back then) and you can definitely see characters like Tracy, Liz and Jenna get progressively wackier after season 1, but it never felt like the show had contempt for them.

BTW apparently the D&D episode was removed from streaming because of Chang's blackface? I didn't remember where it was in the series but in one episode (Pierce in the hospital?) he complained that he wasn't invited to their D&D game so it must have been somewhere in season 2?

musically, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 18:00 (three years ago) link

re: emerging meanness and reliance on meta humor, that probably helps explain why I was only really into s1, and not even enough to ever revisit

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 18:03 (three years ago) link

I thought Harmon based Britta partly on himself

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:31 (three years ago) link

tbh I automatically assume that of all Dan Harmon-created characters

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:32 (three years ago) link

which is of course true of all writers but seems....especially true for him lol

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:33 (three years ago) link

The show also gets meaner towards Jeff as it goes. Also the S2-3 Britta was always latent in her character and, frankly, is funnier.

Agree the show has a heart in S1 that it never quite recaptures though.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:34 (three years ago) link

Yeah, Advanced Dungeons & Dragons was a little over halfway through season 2. There's been at least one other reference to the D&D game in another episode besides the Pierce hospital one, but I can't remember which other episode. Funnily enough I think having the episode pulled actually works out in the overall tone of the show, considering all the other references to stuff we never saw (ala the clip show with clips that weren't ever in the show).

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:36 (three years ago) link

Knowing what I know about Dan Harmon now (and the fact that Britta was apparently based on his ex-gf?)I can't help but see her being debased for laughs

(though all the group are intended as aspects of his personality, and he had Feelings about Britta being disparaged by real people due to the degree he identified with her)

bat ain't Thad (sic), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:49 (three years ago) link

But Pierce was in the D&D episode, the whole point was that they're all making the guy Jeff insulted feel better and Pierce is just in it for himself (and reads the DM notes iirc?) and wants to 'win'.

There's a second D&D episode where they try and reunite Mike from Breaking Bad with his son?

Mud... jam... failure (aldo), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 20:32 (three years ago) link

Ah, he wasn't invited but then turned up and was brought in as an NPC of sorts before it went wrong.

Mud... jam... failure (aldo), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 20:34 (three years ago) link

I think Community was a perfect show for me in my early 20s, smart and funny in a smartass and self-congratulatory kinda way. I definitely don't vibe with it the way I did when it was on the air but I can understand why I liked it as much as I did. The first season of the show made such an impression on me, I still remember the plots/gags clearly, watching it again really felt like re-watching an old favorite. and then...

There's a second D&D episode where they try and reunite Mike from Breaking Bad with his son?

clearly my passion for the show had waned by this point, even if I was still watching it as it aired. it's all coming back to me now though...puppets? Paget Brewster? something involving another actor from Breaking Bad? lol

musically, Thursday, 16 July 2020 16:11 (three years ago) link

massive xpost from days ago but Freaks and Geeks is avaiable free on ALL-4 in THE UK.

BRAVE THE AFRIAD (onimo), Thursday, 16 July 2020 16:35 (three years ago) link

Do the streaming versions of F&G have the original music? I read somewhere that when they first showed them in cable reruns, the music had been replaced with soundalikes and/or library music. This also applied to the eps that premiered on cable (ones that NBC declined to air), and it wasn't until the DVDs that they appeared with the correct music.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 16 July 2020 16:46 (three years ago) link

Anytime there's a clearance issue, the song should be replaced with clips from Crispin Glover's solo album

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 July 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link

I don't know. I swear I saw an episode or two on Netflix about four or five years ago that had the original music in it, but of course it's not on there to verify any longer. From Apatow's comments over the past few years, it isn't available to stream anywhere and likely won't be given the costs to secure the music licenses and he doesn't want to sign off on replacing the music anymore. I'd be really curious to how this is handled in the UK.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 16 July 2020 16:48 (three years ago) link

Gimme a bit to watch from an ep and I'll tell you what music is playing.

BRAVE THE AFRIAD (onimo), Thursday, 16 July 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link

It would be great if it was presumably cheaper b-list butt rock warhorses. Like replace most stuff with Bad Company and Foreigner.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 July 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link

I read somewhere that when they first showed them in cable reruns, the music had been replaced with soundalikes and/or library music. This also applied to the eps that premiered on cable (ones that NBC declined to air), and it wasn't until the DVDs that they appeared with the correct music.


I think they always ran on tv in the US with the original/correct music. Before the DVDs came out, a friend loaned me a a couple VHSs of the whole series which he’d taped from whatever cable channel re-ran it, and all the music cues were there. I remember because I only managed to catch about one-and-a-half episodes of its original run, so my first time watching it was on this friend’s tapes. I expected some Who, but not as much as there was, and I really didn’t expect the Faces or XTC.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 16 July 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link

All 4 keeps trying to force me to watch ads. I'll watch an ep later and see how it compares with what's listed on what-song.com

BRAVE THE AFRIAD (onimo), Thursday, 16 July 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link

The Who ep was one of the cable premieres, so perhaps whatever I read was wrong? I do see in the imdb trivia that "Kim Kelly Is My Friend" (the 'too dark' ep w/Rashida Jones as a bully that NBC didn't air nationally) was edited for cable, but they don't say why (presumably for content?).

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 16 July 2020 17:09 (three years ago) link

"Dead Dogs & Gym Teachers" was obviously Who-heavy (even though they couldn't have gone to a Who concert because Who didn't tour the US in 1981, and Lindsay's parents ABSOLUTELY would have brought up the Cincinnati tragedy, and the Who t-shirt Millie wears wouldn't exist until 1994), but there were also Who songs in at least one other episode ("Song Is Over", but I can't remember the exact ep).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 16 July 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link

I can confirm that on All-4, Bill makes a sandwich and watches TV while The Who plays I'm the One.

However, Boris the Spider doesn't play while Kim runs over the dog.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

BRAVE THE AFRIAD (onimo), Thursday, 16 July 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link

I just came here to say that really love the joke at the end of S5 ep 7 when Chang thinks he’s a ghost

...the camera slowly pans, Shining-style, over to an old black & white photo on the wall, closeup showing Chang and a group of people in period costume and then the camera finally holds on the photo’s caption OLD TIMEY PHOTO CLUB 2014

it’s very good :D

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 July 2020 17:25 (three years ago) link

More Who as Bill eats cereal and shares awkward glances with the back to the future gym teacher (Love Reign O'er Me).

I'll stop now as I'm destroying this community (thread).

BRAVE THE AFRIAD (onimo), Thursday, 16 July 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link

lol just got to 'Squeeze Box'

brb gonna binge Freaks and Geeks again

BRAVE THE AFRIAD (onimo), Thursday, 16 July 2020 17:32 (three years ago) link

"Squeeze Box" was so great on there.

That bit was in the teaser for the never-happened NBC airing of the ep.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 16 July 2020 17:35 (three years ago) link

gillian jacobs is two months older than alison brie

mookieproof, Thursday, 16 July 2020 17:38 (three years ago) link

*updates .xls

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 July 2020 18:10 (three years ago) link

lol. just found it curious that one was playing a character roughly the correct age and the other a character ten years younger

mookieproof, Thursday, 16 July 2020 18:16 (three years ago) link

lol i was just razzing ya. It is funny! I always forget that Annie is meant to be so young, her & Britta def feel the same age to me except when its specifically called out

and when annie’s age WAS called out it was usually in reference to Jeff & then i’d get that jarring UGH WHAT moment

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 July 2020 18:35 (three years ago) link

She was on tv as Trudy Campbell at the same time so I definitely never thought of her as an actual teenager (she also didn't look it, no matter how infantilizing her wardrobe was). Which was fine because I couldn't imagine romantic scenes between Jeff and someone that actually looks like a teen, yucky

musically, Thursday, 16 July 2020 18:56 (three years ago) link

They kind of covered for her appearance by saying she'd had extensive reconstructive plastic surgery after going through a plate glass window at a party whilst high.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 16 July 2020 19:03 (three years ago) link

Didn't watch Mad Men, so didn't have a problem with Annie's on-screen age. OTOH they were sexualizing her even in season 1, tons of Jeff/Annie jokes on that wavelength

Nhex, Thursday, 16 July 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link

Debate episode is one of my favourites.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 16 July 2020 19:44 (three years ago) link

Just heard “Evil Woman” in the supermarket and immediately thought of the debate episode.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 16 July 2020 21:00 (three years ago) link

so good! i love that one too

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 16 July 2020 21:02 (three years ago) link

HE WAS HORNY, SO HE DROPPED HIM. Man is evil!

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 July 2020 23:04 (three years ago) link

Re: F&G music- Wikipedia sez some of the songs were replaced with generic music when reruns ran on Fox Family

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 23:59 (three years ago) link

I watched the S6 “We gave a dog a degree?” episodd and found it p funny esp everyone saying that line allthe time, it cracked me up

S6 so far not too bad! It’s not early season giddy heights but still v enjoyable & often funny.

at this point I’m thrilled at anything that is an improvement on the nadir of the puppet episode, my bar is maybe too low idk

oh and the s6 episode where Dean does virtual reality filing was also *hilarious*

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 July 2020 01:08 (three years ago) link

Yeah, for me it's:
S2>S3>S1/S6>>S5>>>>>>>>>>S4

Fetchboy, Thursday, 23 July 2020 01:22 (three years ago) link

S2>S1>S3>>S6>S5

















nah

Steppin' RZA (sic), Thursday, 23 July 2020 01:34 (three years ago) link

I'd rate S1 higher if it didn't take so long for them to de-center Jeff and figure out who Troy and Britta were. Granted, to me the show's peak is the trampoline story.

Fetchboy, Thursday, 23 July 2020 01:52 (three years ago) link

rewatching s2 and it's striking what an utter over-the-top asshole pierce becomes. (the d&d game and the one where he pretends he's dying, specifically.) and not in a funny way or a way that can be reconciled at the end by hopeful music and shirley and annie going 'aww'

sort of wonder if the writers made pierce worse than necessary because everyone hated chevy? i don't feel like he needed to be this awful simply for comedic effect

mookieproof, Sunday, 26 July 2020 06:56 (three years ago) link

By S2 they were largely writing Pierce's dialogue by putting things that Chevy actually said to his coworkers into the scripts. The plots were probably similarly motivated.

Steppin' RZA (sic), Sunday, 26 July 2020 09:05 (three years ago) link

Even at the time the wheelchair felt like a device to physically keep Chevy apart from the rest of the cast as much as possible and he has way fewer scenes when he's physically in the room with them.

Even some of the study room scenes tend to film Pierce separately and on his own. Like you can just see in all those scenes where they're all supposed to be round the table together and Chase just isn't there except when he absolutely needs to be.

Matt DC, Sunday, 26 July 2020 09:24 (three years ago) link

Granted, to me the show's peak is the trampoline story.

I've been rewatching the DVDs with the commentaries, and someone (I think McHale) talks about how Donald Glover and Matt Walsh (janitor who made the secret trampoline garden) would do hilarious improvs with each other. When he shows the swastika tattoo, "It's going to be a maze" was improvised. An alternate line for that reveal, which was Donald's idea, was, "It's the original U2 logo."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 26 July 2020 15:30 (three years ago) link

Ha!!

Fetchboy, Sunday, 26 July 2020 18:37 (three years ago) link

We made it up to the episode where Troy leaves to go sailing on Pierce's yacht last night, Season 5 was like an immediate uptick again in quality after S4.

Being able to binge these seasons made me realize just how much darker S5 in, and I don't just mean the tone. The color is more muted and everything seems filmed with less lighting or something. I saw a few reddit threads that mentioned it was due to the lower budgets by that point, but that seems to be a weird specific place for the budget to impact.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 16:04 (three years ago) link

Back half of S6 is proving to be weird as hell

There was a great ep on Grifting 101 with Matt Berry guest starring, super funny

But we just watched Giant Hand/RV episode which was about as bad as you can get without puppets + singing

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 17:05 (three years ago) link

I saw a few reddit threads that mentioned it was due to the lower budgets by that point, but that seems to be a weird specific place for the budget to impact.

Production design overall takes huge steps down as the series progresses. It's probably that they were no longer lighting to make sure 43 background jokes were clearly visible on a fifth rewatch, than that they couldn't afford the same bulbs as before.

(Harmon paid props and design staff overtime out of his own pocket on the first two seasons, partly out of appreciation for the incredibly great job they were doing, and largely because his own constant rewriting and rewriting of the scripts meant that they weren't able to do such a great job on regular schedules. In the third year, he stopped doing this and bought a house instead.)

Steppin' RZA (sic), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 17:55 (three years ago) link

Interesting, that makes sense about the background stuff. Had no idea he paid so much out of pocket.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link

But we just watched Giant Hand/RV episode which was about as bad as you can get without puppets + singing

― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, July 29, 2020 1:05 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

That was where I bailed. I was pretty hopeful up to that point, but this episode just felt so desperate. I never saw any of S6 after that.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 30 July 2020 15:21 (three years ago) link

the next episode is the final paintball episode though!

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Thursday, 30 July 2020 15:35 (three years ago) link

yes we watched that last night & it was fun!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 30 July 2020 17:37 (three years ago) link

Wait, there’s a paintball in season 6?! OK, will revisit.

I’m about halfway through rewatching season 5, and it’s much better than I remember. Jonathan Banks’ reaction to the Meowmeowbeenz presentation is one of my favorite moments of the whole series. And the darkness pointed out upthread is only in the first episode and the Ass Crack Bandit episode.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 1 August 2020 01:42 (three years ago) link

We just got the Ass Crack episode, was ok.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 August 2020 03:04 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

I ended up stopping my rewatch at the My Dinner With Abed episode, I remember being...not confused...but taken aback by it. Obviously it's very tonally different from the average episode, but also iirc the previews of the episode were focused on all the Pulp Fiction costumes and all the online chatter was dedicated to theories re: what kind of Tarantino homage Dan Harmon was doing to do. Then of course you watch the ep and realize the episode has absolutely nothing to do with Pulp Fiction. Am I making that up or does anyone remember that?

Anyway all that said just makes me think about what the show would have been like if Dan Harmon had direct access to the viewership through twitter...an important part of being self-aware is making sure that everyone else is aware of how self-aware you are.

musically, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link

Am I making that up or does anyone remember that?

I honestly have no memory of those promos, so I went into the episode blind. I believe I shouted out loud, "THEY'RE DOING MY DINNER WITH ANDRE?!" I mean, of all the referencey stuff the show had done up to that point, this was not an expected reference. iirc, Danny Pudi had neither seen nor heard of the film, so he had to watch it a couple of times in preparation.

But TV promos were notoriously misleading. The promos for the Simpsons episode where Bleeding Gums Murphy dies were, "BART GOES TO THE E.R.!" (implying some kind of E.R. crossover).

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 18:12 (three years ago) link

Harmon did have twitter, but was always very self-aware of the difference between a general audience, dedicated viewers, and the kind of microniche of super-dedicated fans who track down offscreen communication from the uncredited writer of a TV show.

erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 18:35 (three years ago) link

He talked about twitter all the time on Harmontown

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 18:51 (three years ago) link

he incorporated the term "streets ahead" in an early episode because some Tweeter claimed that Modern Family was "streets ahead" of his "meta-bullshit", so of course he had Pearce trying to coin the term.

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 18:52 (three years ago) link

I know episode promos are either misleading or totally uninformative (shout out to the Mad Men previews) but they really seemed intent on playing up the Pulp Fiction angle. I guess as I watch less and less TV in the traditional week to week format I forgot that preview promos used to be pretty disconnected from the material.

“Critical Film Studies” has been sold as “the Pulp Fiction episode” of Community. Even NBC, which often doesn’t promote the show all that heavily, has run many, many promo slots for the show playing up the crazy costumes and situations involved in the Pulp Fiction-styled B-plot.

(I tried expanding the comments in this post to find old discussion too and I broke firefox so never mind)

musically, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 18:57 (three years ago) link

all the online chatter was dedicated to theories re: what kind of Tarantino homage Dan Harmon was doing to do

although it may have come from dumb decision-making in the promo dept, preserving the surprise of the Dinner With Andre-ing is a great result of this tactic

erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 19:00 (three years ago) link

That's very true! That's why it made me wonder about how else the show could have played with/subverted expectations if Dan had been showrunner and on contemporary Twitter (and not 2009-era Twitter which hardly counts) at the same time.

musically, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 19:09 (three years ago) link

Considering the swirling cesspool that 98% of Twitter is right now, I can only imagine how much worse it would have made the show. Harmon would have gotten in huge arguments with fans eight episodes in and/or canceled in real time for the Chang Drow gag and never would have even finished the first season, imo.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 19:24 (three years ago) link

(yes I know the D&D episode was in season two, but still...)

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 19:26 (three years ago) link

I think he would have gotten through season 1 but by season 2 he and the show would be literally and figuratively cancelled for sure

musically, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 20:35 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

almost suffocated watching danny pudi's nic cage impressions

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 21:16 (three years ago) link

I still think the (first season?) "Goldbluming" joke is one of the funniest things ever.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 21:27 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv6mA0qyOo4

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 21:27 (three years ago) link

two years pass...

Well there ya go

.@alisonbrie @kenjeong @dannypudi @YNB @donaldglover @GillianA @peacock @SonyTV @CommunityTV pic.twitter.com/ynVqgaPuQD

— Joel McHale (@joelmchale) September 30, 2022

Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 September 2022 14:43 (one year ago) link

Amusing oops

Lmao just realized he tagged Gillian Anderson instead of Gillian Jacobs

— Preeti Chhibber 🔜 NYCC (@runwithskizzers) September 30, 2022

Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 September 2022 14:44 (one year ago) link

Hooray!

Nhex, Friday, 30 September 2022 17:34 (one year ago) link

Will Chevy return tho?

politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Friday, 30 September 2022 18:37 (one year ago) link

The lack of tag says it all I think.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 September 2022 18:38 (one year ago) link

Ha, good point Ned!

politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Friday, 30 September 2022 20:07 (one year ago) link

six seasons and no Chevy!

stank viola (Neanderthal), Friday, 30 September 2022 20:15 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

happy birthday jesus

sloop johnnin' skater (geoffreyess), Sunday, 25 December 2022 13:21 (one year ago) link

MERRY HAPPY

Fash Gordon (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 December 2022 13:49 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

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https://www.foodandwine.com/subway-change-name-free-food-for-life-7565780

Subway is looking for one true sandwich fan to change their first name (for real) to "Subway." The brave soul who agrees to do so will be rewarded handsomely with a lifetime of free Subway food and beverages. Whether a legal name change is a large or small price to pay for such an offer is up to you.

Jared would do it.

nickn, Friday, 28 July 2023 21:32 (eight months ago) link

four months pass...

Santa invented Spielberg and microchips

soup of magpies (geoffreyess), Monday, 25 December 2023 14:17 (three months ago) link


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