Hellboy rules.

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Hellboy is great. I can't think of anything I don't like about any of the series I've read (a bunch)--the stories are great and well put-together and make good use of myth/history/etc without resorting to twee Neil Gaimanisms, the art is awesome, the dialogue is excellent (especially for comics) and I'm running out of superlatives. Anyone want to share a negative opinion?

The movie is due out late 2003 I think. Guillermo Del Toro (Blade II) is directing and Ron Perlman is Hellboy. That's cool too. Oh, and the RPG (Steve Jackson's GURPS system) comes out in August.

Turn this into a Mike Mignola CD/SD if y'all want.

adam, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I'll go. Classic. Search those cool old X-Factor covers where Mr. Sinister actually looks cool--usually he just looks like a big goober. Destroy nothing that I can think of.

adam, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Adam, that Hellboy news pisses all over the kewl Marvel movie news. AWESOME.

Hellboy is great. Mignola is great. His work on Alpha Flight, ehh. His work on Cosmic Odyssey is super-nice. I love how John Byrne used to write dialogue for Hellboy back in "the day" because Mike didn't have confidence in his lyrical skillz - ha ha ha ha ha. (What the hell is Byrne doing nowadays?)

Daver, Wednesday, 8 May 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

I like Mignola art, but any of Hellboy that I've read - admittedly very little - was nice art married to boring story.

DV, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

DV is OTM.

Andrew L, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

(What the hell is Byrne doing nowadays?)

Probably working long and hard to ensure that his next project is as boring as Next Men.

I never saw Mignola do Alpha Flight--I can imagine it being dull, AF were not a very interesting-looking team. (Not a very interesting team either.)

adam, Thursday, 9 May 2002 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...
Oh my

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 18:18 (fifteen years ago) link

One word (OK, six): Time for bums in seats, kids. That makes me want to see....or have I just saved $10?

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link

the one Hellboy comic I read was pretty dull, if very well drawn.

the trailer looks like the usual people jumping around and stuff - i.e. about as much fun as Men In Black.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm so sad about the way this movie looks, since I love Hellboy . I was expecting some creeped out darkness from Del Toro. This looks silly. Hope I'm wrong.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 19:58 (fifteen years ago) link

oh, come on! it's cute!!!

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Tuesday, 25 November 2003 20:04 (fifteen years ago) link

bummer

kephm, Tuesday, 25 November 2003 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link

about as much fun as Men In Black.

! you _do_ hate fun!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 10:56 (fifteen years ago) link

I hate dull films.

and Andrew, if you use this as an excuse to bring up my heterodox taste in films I will HIT YOU WITH A BOOK next time I meet you. and it'll be a bigger one than the one you hit Lara with.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:08 (fifteen years ago) link

No, I'm sorry - if you hate MIB, you hate fun. Case closed.

But if you have something you want to get off your chest about what film you like, feel free.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Hellboy should have been like The Devil's Backbone...... shadows, mystery, the occasional bone-shattering explosion..... wait, lots of explosions plz...... but that trailer looks like yellowfoggy Blade II pseudogloom + corny Hulk CGI puppetry + nerdy X-Men hitech bollocks ................fuck

Herbstmute (Wintermute), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 11:18 (fifteen years ago) link

HOLLYWOOD FOLLOWING NEWLY SUCCESSFUL FORMULA IN ADAPTING ANY OTHER COMIX SHOCKA

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 15:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Hellboy should have been like The Devil's Backbone...... shadows, mystery, the occasional bone-shattering explosion.....

why should it be like that? the comic isn't.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:20 (fifteen years ago) link

?

Yes it is.

The one Hellboy comic you read, was it Hellboy Junior?

Herbstmute (Wintermute), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:29 (fifteen years ago) link

As for Hellboy the comic, Mignola's drawings are very nice, but the stories never reach beyond standard horror/thriller material (wasn't John Byrne one of the scriptwriters?). Then again, that would make it a perfect source for a movie adaptation.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:29 (fifteen years ago) link

the one I read was Hellboy meeting two other comic characters I'd never heard of and taking on NAZIS. the art was very pretty but the story was completely forgettable. It was neither horrifying nor thrilling.

I'm sorry to be so dismissive... maybe I read a bad limited series.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:33 (fifteen years ago) link

I've read three series, and they were all like that.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 26 November 2003 16:39 (fifteen years ago) link

"Hellboy" is the name of Rake Yohn's character in Haggard. I thought this would be a Bam Margera-related thread, alas no. :(

A Girl Named Sam (thatgirl), Thursday, 27 November 2003 02:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Nothing with the occult and Nazis can be bad! Viva Ragnarok!

Leee Majors (Leee), Thursday, 27 November 2003 03:20 (fifteen years ago) link

I consider WWII a bad thing! Admittedly the part the occult actually played in that was limited (to zero), but some people tried!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 27 November 2003 13:16 (fifteen years ago) link

that's where you're wrong, Martin. If it weren't for the Duc de Richlieu the Nazis would have triumphed, thanks to the forces of SATAN.

and world war two RoXoR.

DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 27 November 2003 15:38 (fifteen years ago) link

WWII was the good war 'n all!

Leee Majors (Leee), Thursday, 27 November 2003 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link

I doubt that Hellboy is supposed to be scary. Mignola's aim seems more to do pulpy and Gothic stories w/ lots of gorillas with bolts in their necks.

Leee Majors (Leee), Thursday, 27 November 2003 22:24 (fifteen years ago) link

I think Hellboy the comic =
10 unseen ancient evil lurks in half-black panels
20 evil pops up
30 Hellboy clobbers it
40 GOTO 10.

Now if Hellboy the film =
10 well-explained evil lurks in clouds of mustard gas
20 evil jumps around and around in shoddy CGI shots
30 Hellboy clobbers it
40 GOTO 20
...I wouldn't want to see it, really.

Herbstmute (Wintermute), Thursday, 27 November 2003 23:51 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...
I'm still excited about this movie.

adam (adam), Monday, 2 February 2004 18:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Sam OTM! I can't believe there was already a Hellboy that wasn't Rake Yohn!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 2 February 2004 18:16 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...
i know nothing about the comic, but this movie looks like it might be very fun. and selma blair looks foxy in the previews

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 11 March 2004 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link

I am...HELLBOY!

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Let's see those filed-down horns, buddy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link

gimma some candy first!

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Bump. Tell me good things.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 2 April 2004 12:51 (fifteen years ago) link

I just got the press kit from my boss! It's pretty whatever, except that it has a dossier with the B.P.R.D. letterheard on it. I'm the coolest geek in the office!

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Friday, 2 April 2004 16:03 (fifteen years ago) link

A finer film has never been crafted by human hands. Perhaps the only flaw was the distinct absence of giant apes/monkeys with huge bolts jutting from their necks (a favorite motif of Mignola's, along with Nazis, and Satan, and sometimes Nazi monkeys, I guess).

Belgian Rofflez (Adrian Langston), Saturday, 3 April 2004 05:31 (fifteen years ago) link

NAZI MONKEYS?

Nate in ST.P (natedetritus), Saturday, 3 April 2004 06:16 (fifteen years ago) link

All monkeys are nazis.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:07 (fifteen years ago) link

i thot that it lost some of the physical gorgeousness and alot of the kitsch/camp/deconstructive/satrical elements.

the moralizing was too obv. in places, and abe sabien didnt have enough lines.

still fine film, lots of phun, gr8 adventure, et. al

anthony, Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:16 (fifteen years ago) link

I haven't seen this, but the case had to be made for monkeys = nazis.

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 3 April 2004 13:18 (fifteen years ago) link

i gotta see this!

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:04 (fifteen years ago) link

I got up early this morning to get work done so that I can make the case for seeing this and Scooby Doo 2 or Starsky & Hutch tomorrow (depending on which is at the same theater).

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Scooby Doo 2??? What kind of masochist are you, Tep?

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:40 (fifteen years ago) link

I can't even explain why I like the Scooby Doo movie! It isn't that it's good. It isn't that I liked the cartoon, because I hated it as a kid and am indifferent to it now. I just like it. The second one looks a lot like the first, but with no Rowan Atkinson and more Seth Green, which is happy math.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:44 (fifteen years ago) link

(Plus, Hellboy/Scooby = monster-bashing double feature.)

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:45 (fifteen years ago) link

B-b-b-but Freddy Prinze Jr.!

El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Tep's love does not compute.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh, I know, Freddy Prinze Jr is terrible in it. He should only do straight-to-video House of Yes sequels in which he is the only original actor to appear.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:48 (fifteen years ago) link

This isn't even ironic love or anything. I like the movie, I just don't know why. Matthew Lillard and Linda Cardellini, maybe.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 3 April 2004 15:48 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm so worried i'll end up seeing scooby 2 as i've recently finished buffy and am in quite a state! i could so get suckered into seeing smg and seth green in the original scooby gang!

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 3 April 2004 16:45 (fifteen years ago) link

SEE?

And not just Seth Green but Seth Green in scenes with Linda Cardellini. C'mon, that's cool. Would it be cooler without a cartoon dog? Sure, but what wouldn't? The world's an imperfect place.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 3 April 2004 16:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Hellboy good. Flawed but RP is fucking great. I hope to see Toys R Us all Hellboyed out next time I'm there.

adam (adam), Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:26 (fifteen years ago) link

some review i read somewhere compared perlman to lon chaney, career-wise, and i actually think that's pretty apt!

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:28 (fifteen years ago) link

He was underused in Looney Toons: Back in Action, which unfortunately meant more screen time for my least favorite Steve Martin performance ever.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:34 (fifteen years ago) link

that looked like a DREADFUL performance.

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 3 April 2004 17:38 (fifteen years ago) link

I really like the movie (road trip spy zaniness + cartoons, how could I not?) and I really like Steve Martin when he's great (The Jerk, L.A. Story), but yow, yes, it was painful.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 3 April 2004 18:12 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, steve martin at the top of his game is awesome, but he's become pretty tiresome lately (especially those shitty "literary" humour pieces he does for the new yorker)

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 3 April 2004 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Best movie ever.

Leee O'Gaddi (Leee), Sunday, 4 April 2004 00:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Agent Clay's plugs? Scared the hell out of me!

Leee O'Gaddi (Leee), Sunday, 4 April 2004 00:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Loved it.
Certainly not without its shortcomings, but a great adventure movie. I loved the way Hellboy kept getting beat up inthe first half of the movie, just like Indiana Jones in Raiders.
I kinda felt like they tried to tell too big of a story in too small of a movie though. But I've been wearing my big, stupid fanboy grin for the last 14 hours. I even had a dream about the sequel last night.

Huck, Sunday, 4 April 2004 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link

Just came back from it, it was great. The ending let me down a little. Not that it's crappy, or stupid, or involves some last-minute thing from out of left field, it just wasn't as good as the rest. Ron Perlman is great, though! And the lack of $20 million salaries in the cast ought to make a sequel perfectly feasible.

(The other similarity to Indiana Jones: it would be really easy to do a sequel to this movie without it feeling the least bit forced or tacked on.)

Through the whole movie, I thought Abe was voiced by David Hyde Pierce. And when John Hurt's name rolled in the credits, I couldn't figure out who he'd played. I'm usually better at recognizing people.

(No Scooby or Starsky double feature today, I got plenty done yesterday but the girlfriend didn't.)

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 4 April 2004 19:58 (fifteen years ago) link

Hurt was Broome, and yeah, DHP, otm.
My dream about the sequel was actually a prequelly kinda thing called Hellboy:The Lost Years.
What I don't like about movies based on comics is that everything has to have weight and impact. Whereas in the comics, since there are like 12 sotires a year, writers can afford some just plain casual adventuring, which is honestly my favourite kind. I mean, I'm not against saving the world, that's a good thing to do, but I also like to see heroes come up against less cataclysmic stuff. Cuz anyone can prevent the end of the world and walk away a hero, but what about more normal stuff, like, uh, going to the dentist.
I guess that's why I liked the live-action Tick series so much.

Huck, Sunday, 4 April 2004 20:04 (fifteen years ago) link

Really nicely done (definitely better than any recent comic adaptation. . . pretty clever, some great FX, good one-liners, decent acting all around, but really good performance from Perlman.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 4 April 2004 20:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Through the whole movie, I thought Abe was voiced by David Hyde Pierce.

But he is, isn't he?

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 5 April 2004 00:54 (fifteen years ago) link

Someone just told me he was; around the times the credits rolled is when my migraine set in, so all I saw was "Abe ... so-and-so," which I guess is the body actor. I didn't see DHP in the credits, but apparently, yep, he was the voice. (DHP didn't want to be in a fishman suit?)

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 5 April 2004 00:57 (fifteen years ago) link

I am very excited to see this.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 5 April 2004 00:59 (fifteen years ago) link

Hey, are the Blade movies any good? I've always been curious about them...

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 5 April 2004 00:59 (fifteen years ago) link

I am in a big comic book movie mood right now.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:00 (fifteen years ago) link

the first one is SO!!! AWESOME!!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:00 (fifteen years ago) link

the second one stinks.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:00 (fifteen years ago) link

I think they're both pretty good.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:02 (fifteen years ago) link

I think adam might appreciate Ron Perlman's blatant theft of the second movie. Which can't be more than 1/10 below the first.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:03 (fifteen years ago) link

The first Blade is very good; I've never seen the entirety of the second, for some reason (I've never rented it, just caught it on cable, and either it doesn't grab me or it just shows up when I'm easily distracted/doing other things -- I don't know which). But if you're excited to see Hellboy, you'd probably love Blade.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:05 (fifteen years ago) link

What else????

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:09 (fifteen years ago) link

superman 1!!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:11 (fifteen years ago) link

especially the dvd with all the trippy extra footage!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Some of Superman really falls apart for me, but the DVD is very nice. Superman 2 makes up for the first one's failings even though it has its own. (This is true of Batman and Batman Returns, too; the second one has the interesting love interest the first one glaringly lacks, but is also a huge sloppy chin-dribbling mess of a thing.)

Ghostbusters isn't a comic book movie, but I think the "we're just regular guys going to work, except work involves killing monsters" angle qualifies it as a Hellboy uncle.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:14 (fifteen years ago) link

for sure! but i must say i looooove superman 1.

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Hey, remember the original Darkman movie? I loved that at the time...

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:15 (fifteen years ago) link

with la law dude!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:16 (fifteen years ago) link

benny!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:16 (fifteen years ago) link

It's still GREAT!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:16 (fifteen years ago) link

but i must say i looooove superman 1.

Consistently? I mean, the Margot Kidder "can you read my mind?" scene, and the Jor-El's Prime Directive scene towards the end?

Technically Men in Black is a comic book movie, but next to no one had read the comic when it came out. (Ditto Road to Perdition.)

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:16 (fifteen years ago) link

The Rocketeer is pretty fun too.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:17 (fifteen years ago) link

the margot kidder scene is something else. whew. i read an interview with richard donner where he basically said, "well, people have to get up and go to the bathroom when they're at the movies, so i suppose this is the scene where they oughta do that."

i love pretty much any and all of the brando stuff. especially when his face turns into a gigantic exploding psychedelic space crystal!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:56 (fifteen years ago) link

this brings me back to one of my favourite "dream-casting" ideas ever: '70s-era marlon brando (ie apocalypse now/last tango brando) as the dark knight in the dark knight returns!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:57 (fifteen years ago) link

oh man i really want to see this but i probably wont be able to

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 01:58 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm going crazy wanting to see this! and my dawn of the dead date fell through tonight! i gnash my teeth!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:01 (fifteen years ago) link

no one will go with me :-(

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:02 (fifteen years ago) link

maybe you should dress up as hellboy and go by yourself!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:03 (fifteen years ago) link

this is what i get for ditching all my geek friends post-college

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Dude, seeing movies by yourself is classic, if the theater is good and non-sleazy.

I don't think the bladder defense is good enough re: Margot Kidder's music video.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 5 April 2004 02:31 (fifteen years ago) link

"can you read my MIND?!"

and yeah, i see movies by myself all the time! and i'm cool

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 April 2004 03:37 (fifteen years ago) link

I thought hellboy was pretty great. Classic even! Can't wait to see if the Xmen series does the Phoenix saga.

hector (hector), Monday, 5 April 2004 04:16 (fifteen years ago) link

It would be so, so good if they did.

re: Hellboy, I meant to mention the special effects for Selma Blair On Fire, too -- I now fully believe in the feasibility of a Fantastic Four movie that wouldn't suck. That was one of those nice touches, like when you know (obviously) that it's special effects, but you don't feel like they're trying to blow you away with "hey, look what we can do."

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 5 April 2004 09:33 (fifteen years ago) link

I loved the clockwork guy. (haven't read the comic, though I probably will now, even though all the asswipes at the comic store will accuse me of bandwagonning, even though I've been a fan of Mignola's since Gotham By Gaslight)

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:49 (fifteen years ago) link

I'd never gotten around to the comic (hearing people talk about it, it always sounded like something that would have very involved continuity, hard to read casually; which it turns out is not at all the case) but picked up the first volume yesterday. It's very different from the movie: the Prof has a small enough role that he could be written out entirely (or could die of old age between flashback and current day) without affecting the story; Liz is ten years older with none of her insecurities; Torch of Liberty, a Captain America analogue, is part of the group at the beginning, so this is a more comic booky universe; other things like that.

The spirit is mostly the same, and I don't know how representative the first book is.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Hellboy thread on I Love Comics.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:56 (fifteen years ago) link

The way X2 ended I have no doubt in my mind that, if there is an X3, it will be the Phoenix thang.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:56 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm all for another X-Men movie, and Dark Phoenix is cool and all, but Jean Grey is just so BORING.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 5 April 2004 13:57 (fifteen years ago) link

(Speaking of comics, the second collection of The Maxx is either out or reprinted -- I hadn't seen it before, but I might well have missed it. It won't make too much sense if you haven't read the first volume and don't remember the cartoon, but damn is it good.)

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 5 April 2004 14:10 (fifteen years ago) link

(Can someone please please please re-release The Maxx cartoons on DVD? Best cartoons ever)

First comic-book adaptation I've liked since Blade, but it dropped off in quality at the second subway adventure. Comments about it trying to fit too much into the movie OTM - but that's been the case with every comic book movie other than Blade, right? SpiderMan really suffered from the "here's the backstory, oh and a little action!"-syndrome

Baby Hellboy was awesome, the cat fetish was a nice touch.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 5 April 2004 22:39 (fifteen years ago) link

I tried googling today to figure out why on earth the Maxx isn't on DVD -- the out-of-print videocassette sells for as much as $100, so you figure the demand must be there -- but found nothing. Sometimes there's a rights thing or whatever.

Baby Hellboy was really great, although the Baby Ruth thing had me thinking Goonies (this isn't necessarily bad, I guess).

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 5 April 2004 23:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh, damn, $100? I bought the Maxx cartoons for $1 at Movie Trading Co. a couple of years ago and left it at someone's apartment.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 5 April 2004 23:31 (fifteen years ago) link

I've got the Maxx cartoons on my computer. :P

Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 02:09 (fifteen years ago) link

A conversation with TOMBOT about this film, which he didn't think was great, turned into talking about recent comicbooks adaptations. The last to come up were Blade & Blade II, which he didn't much rate either. I asked whther he hated Ron Perlman/Fun, and he said that he liked Ron, and had enjoyed his work in City of Lost Children & Alien 4, both Jeunet films. Clearly to properly calibrate his tastes, Science demands the creation of Amelie 2: Enter Hellboy.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 12:34 (fifteen years ago) link

You know what else I liked about Hellboy (and this is probably something that goes back to the comics)? I liked that even though the BPRD is a top-secret agency whose existence the Director of the FBI denies on TV Talk Shows, they still put their logo on their airplane. That was classy.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 13:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Ha! I hadn't thought of that.

I like the fact that Jeffrey Tambor was not nearly as goofy as I expected him to be (especially since he played a similar role in Muppets From Space).

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 13:43 (fifteen years ago) link

I thought he was really good, until the inexplicable moment where they're tramping around in the booby-trapped tunnels underneath Rasputin's grave, hunting Nazis, and all he can say when he's attacked by the assassin freak is, "Hey, what do you think you're doing?" all offended and shit.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 13:46 (fifteen years ago) link

I thought he was going to be like that the whole time, though! So I was like, "Okay, well, that gets that out of the way."

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 13:48 (fifteen years ago) link

It was a good movie. Though there should've been vampires and werewolves and more creepiness. Less of the Predator-demons. But I liked it. I think Del Toro nailed the feel of the comics for the most part.

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:13 (fifteen years ago) link

Okay, yeah, that was the other that sorta bugged me about it. HB spent too much time fighting the same monsters. MORE MONSTERS, not more of the SAME monsters.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:16 (fifteen years ago) link

I agree...most of the things I didn't like about it have their roots in the comic.

My favorite moment might have been in the subway fight -- the whole taking the piss out of superheroes always having to save cute little animals and babies and whatnot, so fuck it let's HAND HIM A BOX OF KITTENS while fighting the big bad hellhound.

(x-post)

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:19 (fifteen years ago) link

hey! you wrote the same thing on ILComics. You're double-dipping!

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Crone (sp?) is one of the baddest-ass movie villains from a movie based on a comic book I've ever seen. Totally nightmarish.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Ha, I was going to mention that, but figured no one reads ILC anyway.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:21 (fifteen years ago) link

Especially when he "bled" sand. I nearly flipped! And I loved the way you could hear his gears whirring. V. creepy. Norman Bates creepy.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:23 (fifteen years ago) link

I loved how quickly the decrepit sandbag of a corpse became unstoppable Nazi ninja motherfucker. From zero to lung-puncturing in 0.6 seconds or some shit.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Woah hold up let's back this up a second...Jeunet directed Alien 4!?!!?! Why have I not seen this yet!?!!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, he was great. And for some reason all the excessive flashy knife-whirling before he would ever actually hit anyone seemed to fit the character, like he just really enjoyed being a Nazi ninja.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Woah hold up let's back this up a second...Jeunet directed Alien 4!?!!?! Why have I not seen this yet!?!!

Plus, there's some really hot lesboedipal tension between Winona and Ripley.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 14:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Loved the sand-nazi apparently *winding himself up* prior to action moves. Loved the Russian direction-giving corpse. LOVED Abe Sapien with a very special love reserved only for effeminate fishmen.

Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 16:49 (fifteen years ago) link

One strike against the movie - Pete Yorn doing "Red Right Hand."

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 8 April 2004 01:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Is that who it was? Yes. Nick Cave's version has shown up in enough movies, what stopped them from getting it again?

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 8 April 2004 01:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh, well I thought it was kind of zzzzzzzzzzz.

I really, really wanted to like it. Bear in mind that I am a fairly avid comics reader, but I have never read Hellboy.

I just found it fairly cliched, corny and...well, boring. Ron Perlman was good enough (not great, though), but he had some terrible "one-liners" and I thought that the Hellboy character was kind of flat. I also pretty much hated that fake-looking fish thing. I didn't get the sense of "wow! comics come alive!" epic-ness that I got watching the X-men films, and felt that some of the pacing and framing would even been better suited to the comics medium (some nice use of colors, though). Maybe I missed something?

I would like to add that, on the advice above, I finally saw Blade last night and that really was something special.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 11 April 2004 17:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Crone (sp?) is one of the baddest-ass movie villains from a movie based on a comic book I've ever seen.

Kroenen in the movie isn't really based on Kroenen in the books.

Pedantic Nerd O'Gaddy (Leee), Sunday, 11 April 2004 18:52 (fifteen years ago) link

I saw it last night and it really wasn't what I was expecting. I'm surprised it has been reviewed so favorably! I do like the Hellboy comics (I wouldn't call myself a "fan", but I've read several of the TPBs and liked them a lot), but as soon as the movie started and I heard the way the lines were delivered my heart kind've sunk. I liked Blade too, so after hearing everyone say that this is Del Toro's best movie I was pretty excited. After the intro sequence I was thinking "ooh damn they already lost anyone who hasn't read the comics" and then just a little way into the movie I realized they lost me too. :(

The thing that bothered me the most was Abe Sapien as a fucking C3P0 clone! That's just so wrong!

Dan I., Monday, 12 April 2004 00:51 (fifteen years ago) link

3P0 is waaaaaaaaaay gayer than AS.

adam (adam), Monday, 12 April 2004 02:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Though talking like David Hyde Pierce is not exactly the express train to straightville.

adam (adam), Monday, 12 April 2004 02:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Dan OTM

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 12 April 2004 02:44 (fifteen years ago) link

My fellow adam also OTM

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 12 April 2004 02:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Ha ha, I always thought that the two adams were the same adam!

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 12 April 2004 16:59 (fifteen years ago) link

The other adam is cool, d00d. He likes Ca$h Money and comic books, as far as I can tell.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 12 April 2004 17:00 (fifteen years ago) link

That's why I thought it was you!

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Monday, 12 April 2004 17:01 (fifteen years ago) link

This was the thread where The Maxx was mentioned, right? I went ahead and bought a DVD from Ebay -- not an official release, obviously, looks like a transfer from videocassette or computer. But it's perfectly watchable -- sound's perfect, video is comparable to videocassette with awkward blacks -- and cost me like $9.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 14 April 2004 12:28 (fifteen years ago) link

The wonderful world of bootlegging never occurred to me. I just got one off EBay for $9.99.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 15 April 2004 04:58 (fifteen years ago) link

so i saw this hellboy and i gotta say i was pretty delighted for the first act or so, i loved the way it looked and it was sort of appealing to me on every single level, except perhaps the prurient. but man does this movie sag in the middle! and the ending stinks too. i got bored and impatient.

love those tentacley space demons though.

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 24 April 2004 23:19 (fifteen years ago) link

I agree with you about the last two acts at least.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Sunday, 25 April 2004 01:22 (fifteen years ago) link

you didn't like the beginning at all? i thought it was pretty fun.

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 25 April 2004 04:11 (fifteen years ago) link

I want to see an entire movie like the WWII scenes, using the cast of Band of Brothers.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Sunday, 25 April 2004 06:48 (fifteen years ago) link

YES!!!!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 25 April 2004 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link

six months pass...
I watched this tonight. I had to watch it after they nicknamed that guy on the Amazing Race "Hellboy". I thought it was too much like Blade. I guess Del Toro really has a thing for octopussy/squiddy creatures. And the fish/C3PO's voice reminded me too much of Kelsey Grammar's tight-ass brother from Frasier.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:26 (fourteen years ago) link

That's because it was. The voice anyway.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, 20 November 2004 04:52 (fourteen years ago) link

That would explain it.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Saturday, 20 November 2004 15:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Octo-pussoire

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 20 November 2004 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Make sure you rub it the right way.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 20 November 2004 16:11 (fourteen years ago) link

gotta appreciate his enthusiasm but guillermo del toro pretty much sucks, doesn't he?

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 20 November 2004 16:19 (fourteen years ago) link

All I know is that he *loves* tentacles and swords.

Maria D. (Maria D.), Saturday, 20 November 2004 16:24 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...
i have never read a comix book/graphic novel. EVER. but i love comic-book adaptations, i just saw 'hellboy' and loved it, loved 'from hell', love x-men, etc etc. and the thing is most people love 'spiderman' and the big ones but the more marginal stuff that never 'crossed over' (ie i'd never heard of 'hellboy' before the film, but had heard of the x-men) has these two levels of criticism going on. it's a bit like with adapted novels, but not, and enjoying them i feel a bit like a n00b or how i felt getting into hip-hop initially -- it was other people's property. i don't resent it becasue most likely if you know about x-men the comix, you'll get more out of the film -- but otoh not knowing probably means the films aren't 'spolied' by the knowledge that there's been some Really Significant Aspect that the filmmaker has travestied.

so anyway: hellboy rules (maybe lost the thread a bit at the end, tho).

N_RQ, Monday, 4 April 2005 09:19 (fourteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Going back to the very first post:

the stories are great and well put-together and make good use of myth/history/etc without resorting to twee Neil Gaimanisms

Well it's funny you should say that because...Neil and his younger daughter Maddy are on set of Hellboy 2 for a bit cause he and Del Toro are buds. And Maddy is filing the various reports, with some photos.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 June 2007 02:58 (twelve years ago) link

good blog, i should read it more often than once a year.

coincidently, yesterday i was moving stuff back into newly decorated bedroom and dug out all the hellboys from the various boxs of comics. there are 26 of them. turns out i am missing #5, the wolves of saint august (although i think i might have the DHP issues that they were originally in).

one day i will read them all again.

am also missing optic nerve #8. calamity.

koogs, Monday, 2 July 2007 09:12 (twelve years ago) link

Don't worry unless you're a completist -- "Wolves of St. August" isn't very good. It's the first story that Mignola scripted on his own (<i>Seeds of Destruction</i> was scipted by Jh0n Byyyyrne), and the art is a little heavy-handed (thick inks and ugly, busy coloring).

Leee, Monday, 2 July 2007 16:19 (twelve years ago) link

BPRD (with art by Guy Davis!) is where it's REALLY at these days.

Oilyrags, Monday, 2 July 2007 16:22 (twelve years ago) link

Is it? I was kind of bored with the early volumes.

Leee, Monday, 2 July 2007 17:33 (twelve years ago) link

Well, I'd read almost anything with Guy Davis art, but I do think the writing is also very strong right now.

Oilyrags, Monday, 2 July 2007 17:34 (twelve years ago) link

OILY IS RIGHT

David R., Monday, 2 July 2007 17:59 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

(wolves of st august £4 from ebay, including p+p and two other issues which i already have. also picked up optic nerve #8 and #11 without leaving my desk. woot)

koogs, Monday, 6 August 2007 14:22 (twelve years ago) link

nine years pass...

I liked him a lot, both in ST and at the SAG awards, but I'm sure anybody should be forced to play Hellboy after Perlman.

your cognitive privilege (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 03:09 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

trailer is up - do we have a thread for this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt5g5_1cKVk

def has a lot more of that mike mignola feel

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:28 (ten months ago) link

looks pretty cool

though i think it's hilarious and sad how trailers have trailers for themselves immediately before them now.

omar little, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:36 (ten months ago) link

Not liking that at all, the CGI stands out as CGI more than in GDT's movies, the wise-cracking feels like they took too much of a cue from Deadpool, Hellboy just doesn't sound right without Perlman's voice, Ian McShane is no John Hurt.

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:51 (ten months ago) link

Good points:

1) Neil Marshall is my favorite kind of insane (see Doomsday if you haven't)
2) MILLA
3) It's gotta at least be better than Golden Army, which SUUUUUCKED

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:59 (ten months ago) link

this is a neil marshall flick? ok I'm interested

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:15 (ten months ago) link

Not liking that at all, the CGI stands out as CGI more than in GDT's movies, the wise-cracking feels like they took too much of a cue from Deadpool, Hellboy just doesn't sound right without Perlman's voice, Ian McShane is no John Hurt.

― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, December 19, 2018

love u milo but this is crazy talk

1. CGI - longstanding tradition of CGI improving between advance trailers and release
2. wisecracking - have you read Hellboy?
3. Perlman - no, leaning toward hell no. love Perlman but his Hellboy was terrible.
4. Bruttenholm - agree John Hurt was well cast. McShane a little more 1946-1952-style but he's A+ in everything other than American Gods so let's see how it plays

Speaking as an unabashed lover of the books, this trailer alone is already more enjoyable than any of GDT's work with the character or his world. No telling if it will translate into a satisfying feature, but the tone feels right and Harbour is killing it.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:23 (ten months ago) link

Eehhhhhhhhhhh. I like Marshall, but his genre riffing I think is more miss than hit. This one looks cheap - CGI doesn't get polished *that* much * and less than charming, especially after the GdT ones, which at least had character.

Has McShane played the Devil yet?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:25 (ten months ago) link

Hellboy would have been better off without GDT period full stop.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:29 (ten months ago) link

Has McShane played the Devil yet?

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, December 19, 2018

Has he ever not?

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:29 (ten months ago) link

lmao can't believe y'all gonna make me watch GDT's Hellboy again just to better catalog what it gets wrong

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:30 (ten months ago) link

xpost I guess he is very devil-like in Sexy Beast!

Anyway, as someone who never read the comic, I liked the first one (esp. director's cut) a lot, and thought the second one looked great.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:31 (ten months ago) link

I have not seen this longstanding tradition of CGI improvements - when a movie seems like it's going to have the overall look of a video game cutscene in the trailer, it still does in the theater IME.
I've read Hellboy and there are jokes but it's more off-hand sardonic style than this. I'm not really into the Deadpool/MCU winking at the camera style.
if you don't like the Perlman/GdT films I can see this being better, I guess, but yr crazy

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:36 (ten months ago) link

Barbour sounds like he's got Marlon Brando's cotton balls stuffed in his mouth

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:36 (ten months ago) link

not being familiar with Hellboy before the films i thought the GdT ones were cool, but far from the types of films you can't improve on.

omar little, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:37 (ten months ago) link

I think you could improve on the GdT films by stripping them down more (fewer fantasy elements)

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:40 (ten months ago) link

Okay so (nerd hat on) what makes Hellboy interesting imho is the way Mignola uses cosmic horror as a framework for his interest in folklore, and what gives it oomph is Hellboy's struggle to find out if he can be who he wants to be instead of who he's fated to be.

GDT seemed to think what made it interesting was look there are SO MANY CREATURES! (which if you're GDT I mean, yeah, I get it) and what gave it oomph was Liz's struggle to not be Rogue from the X-Men.

tldr Hellboy is The Iron Giant and GDT made it Beat the End Boss and Kiss the Girl. He was always more interested in Abe.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:48 (ten months ago) link

if you don't like the Perlman/GdT films I can see this being better, I guess, but yr crazy

― louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, December 19, 2018

peace. xoxo.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:48 (ten months ago) link

btw I’m not blind - that is some sardo numspa-lookin CGI demon.

still better than GDT tho.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 20 December 2018 04:45 (ten months ago) link

what makes Hellboy interesting imho is the way Mignola uses cosmic horror as a framework for his interest in folklore, and what gives it oomph is Hellboy's struggle to find out if he can be who he wants to be instead of who he's fated to be.

I thought this was literally what the first movie was about?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2018 13:04 (ten months ago) link

I liked the GdT movies, and thought Perlman was pretty good. I liked what I've read of the comics. I'll probably like this, too.

However, the feel of Mignola's art, which is about half the appeal of Hellboy for me, just can't be adequately translated to live action, IMO, unless you're going to go for some Sin City-esque hyperstylization. Has anyone seen any of the animated Hellboy stuff/is it good?

days of being riled (zchyrs), Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:08 (ten months ago) link

yes/not really? I mean, I literally forgot it existed and that I had seen it until this thread popped back up again yesterday

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:47 (ten months ago) link

"Storm of Swords" is fine, haven't kept tabs on any other animated HB films.

I complained about this when the first movie came out that I didn't like GDT's decision to make HB and Abe hide their existences from the outside world. Having common folk talk to HB like NBD is a great little touch in the comics.

Siouxie Sioux Vide (Leee), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:02 (ten months ago) link

three months pass...

lol i literally contradicted myself in the other Hellboy thread. I rewatched both recently though and the very particular del Toro auteurism was more impressive on these viewings. the first trailer of this new one did look cool but the last one or two were troublesome. the funny lines didn't land and the direction looked very boilerplate. The Hellboy universe goes a long way with its inherent creativity, maybe there'd be some appeal there. but idk.

omar little, Friday, 12 April 2019 18:02 (six months ago) link

so much for my high hopes... by all accounts this one’s a fright pig. feel bad for Harbour and for Mignola, whose work deserves better

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 13 April 2019 02:49 (six months ago) link

Such a shame. I really like a bunch of Marshall's B grade horror/historical films: "Dog Soldiers", "Centurion", "The Descent" - and was hoping he'd stay away from the cutesy GDT-isms and get at that sweet Mignola creepiness. Seems this is just a Z grade mimic'ing of the Del Toro stuff.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Saturday, 13 April 2019 14:30 (six months ago) link

so I ended up seeing this after all. it’s overstuffed and undercooked but really not half as bad as golden army and much closer in spirit to the books, which remain unassailable.

a less corny soundtrack and maybe pulling two or three cheesy fight scenes would have helped a lot.

they tried to do way too much and presumably won’t get a second swing, but god bless ‘em for trying. McShane’s as wasted as he is in American Gods but Harbour’s a gem throughout.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 04:53 (six months ago) link

The previews made it seem a bit Guy Richie Does Hellboy, which seems v. unlike the comic

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 14 April 2019 11:31 (six months ago) link

just to be clear, this is not a good movie. and there are def bits of that, though if anything more Matthew Vaughn than Guy Ritchie. i mean, there are bits of everything. you could cut a trailer that made this thing look like Attack the Block. my take is just, huh, it's not as bad as I expected.

the fatal flaw is that the producers think bc HELLBOY is a comic book, Hellboy has to be a superhero. i'd hoped this one would steer away from the CGI action crap and toward the horror/pulp/melancholy/weird tale elements but aside from one or two shots, nope.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 14:42 (six months ago) link

I remember at the very least The Golden Army (which I only saw that once, back when) looked gorgeous. From its trailers this one looks like a CGI public toilet.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 April 2019 14:48 (six months ago) link

an overhaul of the soundtrack alone would make this 50% better

gbx, Sunday, 14 April 2019 15:05 (six months ago) link

an overhaul of the soundtrack alone would make this 50% better


who’s gonna volunteer to do the fan cut?

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 14 April 2019 22:28 (six months ago) link

Yeah wasn't great was it.
& it seems to want to be the first of several.
Seemed like a lot of lines were off rhythm or something.
Wonder how many people stayed for the post credits scenes.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 17:00 (six months ago) link


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