goddamn smirky eyebrow-raised badass poochie cartoons nowadays

excellent thread idea!!! i was just complaining about this to someone last week

shrek was the death blow

so wait is this convo mainly about TV shows, or summer tentpole animated features, or both?

I hate them so much but you do realize that complaining about this kinda thing = you have grown old rite

eh i was griping about these kids today when i was 14, im not too worried about coming off like a curmodgeon

http://www.jerryzigmont.com/Images/WonderPets.jpg

but yeah i remember watching shrek in high school & thinking it was way too pleased with itself in its mocking of every disney convention & the fact that it was a kids cartoon with dick jokes - i dont know that theres really been a successful traditional animated feature since?

http://mikeresponts.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/horton_hears_a_who_.jpg
http://mystrangetheories.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/horton.jpg

now find an animated protagonist that isn't fat

i think ratatoillie was maybe not so smirky? i dunno cuz i havent actually seen any of these

but id like to see someone try a non-winkywinky fairytale movie for kids sometime

http://images.movieeye.com/store/images/space-jam-tweety-movie-poster.jpg

http://www.preston.gov.uk/Images/News/Wallace%20and%20Gromit.jpg

ratatouille wasn't smirky at all..it was very sincere.

honestly i don't feel like pixar is at all a part of this sort of thing. (which i hate)

it's more of a dreamworks thing.

Yeah the Pixar movies are none of these things. xp

and while these types of films are successful, pixar has been more successful by far.

the end monologue by the french food critic guy might be the best manifesto for criticism ever.

well, Cars was a little smirky.

Yeah, my first thought was WHAT ABOUT PIXAR?

Kung Fu Panda has had very good word of mouth, to be fair.

Antz
Shrek
Shrek 2
Shark Tale
Madagascar
Over the Hedge
Shrek the Third
Bee Movie
Kung Fu Panda
Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa
Shrek Goes Fourth
Puss In Boots: The Story of an Ogre Killer
Shrek 5
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:0sUpDm4JFOqAKM:http://www.shillpages.com/movies/judgmentatnuremberg1961dvd.jpg

^^^ dreamworks wall of shame

and yeah cars is pretty 'tudey
http://www.channel4.com/4car/media/features/2006/cars-film-review/03-large/cars-lightning-mcqueen.jpg

theyre seriously not fucking done w/ shrek yet??? or even close, apparently? ugh

I like the first Shrek.

fuck angelina jolie doing a voice in it. and balls to being fair as well. (:p)

Also, for comparison's sake, via Rotten Tomatoes:

66% The Incredible Hulk $55.4M
88% Kung Fu Panda $33.6M
20% The Happening $30.5M
34% You Don't Mess with th… $16.4M
77% Indiana Jones and the … $14.7M

When a movie is rating higher than Indy IV and the latest Marvel joint, yeah, it might be actually not too bad.

all of these cartoons get ridiculously good critical reviews

what about shark's tale?

Cameron Diaz has reportedly asked for the film to have an eco-friendly storyline about a threatened swamp.

Ugh.

shrek 4 is set to be directed by the director of deuce bigalow: male gigalo

what about shark's tale?

-- Upt0eleven, Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:01 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

aka "crossed arms: the motion picture"

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mo/sharktalebig.jpg
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/10/07/shark_tale_narrowweb__200x372.jpg

lol crossed fins

Shark 'Tude

Shrek the Third 42%
Bee Movie 53%
Madagascar 56%
Over the Hedge 73%

What metric are we using for "ridiculously good" here?

Shark Tale 34% BEST REVIEWED MOVIE LOL

well i guess yeah cars maybe was a little bit of bad dudes with baddass 'tudes

but still it's nowhere NEAR as snarky as say shrek.

the big thing with Pixar is that they don't do pop culture reference gags...each movie is true to its own fantasy world, they don't break to wink at the audience...

cars is the least of the pixar movies though.

"Shrilly pandering to edgy, jive-talking, hip-hopping bents of the moment, [Shark Tale] churns up a sea of offensive ethnic stereotypes, unfunny situations, unsympathetic characters and lousy plotting." Houston Chronicle

A MUST-SEE!!

eh i was griping about these kids today when i was 14, im not too worried about coming off like a curmodgeon

-- deeznuts, Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:38 AM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Suspicions about nuts's age confirmed.

Yeah, Kung Fu Panda is the only one of these I actually want to see, for the whole "actual animal master of corresponding animal style" thing.

the Shark Tale producers presumably concluded that the secret to Nemo's success was the fact that it had fish in it. OMG FISH ARE SO IN THIS YEAR!!!!

cocks

When a movie is rating higher than Indy IV and the latest Marvel joint, yeah, it might be actually not too bad.

-- Pancakes Hackman, Thursday, 19 June 2008 16:00 (7 minutes ago) Link

Smirking computer animation edges out the corpse of a movie franchise and yet another comic book film (the second take on this one), what an accomplishment.

Yeah, Kung Fu Panda is the only one of these I actually want to see, for the whole "actual animal master of corresponding animal style" thing.

-- kingfish, Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:10 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

that's a really strange criteria for wanting to see a movie.

Finding Nemo only came out a year before Shark Tale, and these computer animation movies take years and years to produce.

Yeah, Kung Fu Panda is the only one of these I actually want to see, for the whole "actual animal master of corresponding animal style" thing.

-- kingfish, Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:10 PM (54 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

that's a really strange criteria for wanting to see a movie.

-- some dude, Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:13 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

coyote kingfish

i saw monsters inc on tv & its great but theres def pop cult refs... buscemi makes fargo woodchipper jokes!!

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:aeu3c2Y6M5CKMM:http://www.wallpapergate.com/data/media/1819/Tweety.jpg

lol argh @ tweety

I like kung fu movies, what do you want? Trad kung fu movies make a point of demonstrating contrasting styles, the more the better. Hell, even the pilot for the David Carradine series had each of the 5(ish) animal styles portrayed. The conceit of taking your otherwise bog standard dreamworks talking animals cheapo CGI but using it to instead match up said animal with the animal style interests me.

Let's see if this movie has James Hong in it.

[imdb check]

HA! It does!

Finding Nemo only came out a year before Shark Tale, and these computer animation movies take years and years to produce.

Dreamworks and Pixar so know what the other is working on, even if they're not meant to, and even if it's just "hey they're doing a fish film". Goes as far back as Bug's Life/Antz.

tweety is one of the OGs of this shit imo xposts

Finding Nemo only came out a year before Shark Tale, and these computer animation movies take years and years to produce.

there were leaks. so i hear.

http://www.mywildcrazyspace.com/wp-content/themes/2007/11/alvin_chipmunks_christmas_2.jpg
http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/Previews/Alvin-Chipmunks-movie-02.jpg

http://www.buzzbunny.co.uk/images/050217_loonatics.jpg

O_o

yeah i dunno...i feel like competing studios have more to lose than to gain by jumping on similiar themes/premises. i always imagine that it's more of a situation of both teams getting really far along on pre-production before finding out what the other is doing and going "fuck it, we've already put a lot of time into this, let's just do ours and hope it's better than theirs."

ughghhggh i dont know if anyone saw the chipmunks trailer in theaters but it revolved around some kind of joke that involved one of them having to eat one of their own turds to prove to dave it wasnt a raisin

not kidding

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/PreStitch.jpg

woulda been cool if stitch looked like that

er was a raisin obviously

haha I was about to post the whole chipmunk turd trailer -- the ENTIRE TEASER was a poop joke

to appeal to the stoner frat bro demographic - xxxpost

o_O at Disney's next picture being based on a Philip K. Dick fantasy story. Did somebody just option everything the guy wrote and they're trying to clear out the cheap properties?

i saw monsters inc on tv & its great but theres def pop cult refs... buscemi makes fargo woodchipper jokes!!

They do have em, but they're always completely peripheral to the characters and plots.

In other words, they're not "Family Guy".

Wait, are you saying that the pop cultural references in Family Guy are integral to the plot? Because that's the complete opposite argument most people make about FG.

family guy is so disconnected from modern society!!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/11/business/media/11cartoons.html

Warner Brothers hopes to “reinvigorate and reimagine” Bugs Bunny and Scooby-Doo through a new virtual world on the Internet, where people will be able to dress up the characters pretty much any way they want. American Greetings is dusting off another of its lines, the Care Bears, which will return with a fresh look this fall (less belly fat, longer eyelashes).

And 4Kids Entertainment, which licenses the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, will revive them next year in new video games, where they will have more muscles and less attitude.

Even Mickey Mouse is getting an update, although the Walt Disney Company is still mulling what tweaks to make.

“I love classic Mickey, but he needs to evolve to be relevant to new generations of kids,” Robert A. Iger, Disney’s chief executive, said in an interview.

Reinventing these beloved characters without inflicting indelible damage is one of the entertainment industry’s trickiest maneuvers. Go too far, as Mattel did in 1993 when it gave Ken a purple mesh T-shirt, a pierced ear and the name “Earring Magic Ken,” and it can set off a brand crisis on a global scale.

Done correctly, it can be incredibly lucrative. Mickey Mouse produces an estimated $5 billion in merchandise sales every year. Strawberry Shortcake, even in her diminished state, has generated $2.5 billion in revenue since 2003, according to American Greetings.

If the classic characters look less stodgy, the companies hope, they will appeal not only to parents who remember them fondly, but also to children who might automatically be suspicious of toys their parents played with. For parents, nostalgia is considered a bigger sales hook than ever because of the increasingly violent and hyper-sexualized media landscape.

“It’s a terrible world, and modern parents are trying to cocoon their kids as much as possible,” said Alfred R. Kahn, chairman of 4Kids Entertainment, which also manages franchises like Pokémon and the Cabbage Patch Kids. “What better way to protect them than wrapping them in nostalgic brands?”

Mr. Iger talks about the need to balance “heritage and innovation.” For Mickey and other Disney characters, one method is to keep the core attributes of the characters the same, but to update the world in which they live. For instance, Disney is updating Toontown, the section of Disneyland that Mickey calls home. One plan features an old-fashioned trolley, but Mr. Iger is not sure that is a smart idea. Will modern children know what an old-fashioned trolley is?

Warner Brothers, by contrast, is leaving the styling decisions up to the customers, some of whom were weaned on virtual worlds like Disney’s Club Penguin (where they can, say, dress a virtual penguin in a pirate costume and make it dance). At KidsWB.com, which is rolling out a revised site over the summer, the studio will let people customize Looney Tunes characters as they see fit.

“You want a dark, Goth version of Tweety Bird? Have at it,” said Lisa Gregorian, executive vice president for worldwide marketing at Warner Brothers Television.

“You want a dark, Goth version of Tweety Bird?"

No thanks

“What better way to protect them than wrapping them in nostalgic brands?”

WHAT BETTER WAY, INDEED

i forgot about some of the monsters stuff..i haven't seen that in a minute

but i think everyone knows the point i was trying to make wrt pixar's style vs. the shrek style which is a constant barrage of winky referential b.s.

One plan features an old-fashioned trolley, but Mr. Iger is not sure that is a smart idea. Will modern children know what an old-fashioned trolley is?

unbelievable.

Go too far, as Mattel did in 1993 when it gave Ken a purple mesh T-shirt, a pierced ear and the name “Earring Magic Ken,” and it can set off a brand crisis on a global scale.

ahahaha

http://www.manbehindthedoll.com/images/earringmagic.jpg

yeah matt i know toy story (which i think is the only pixar ive seen) didnt have nearly as much of that stuff; still i felt like a huge amount of its appeal was its cgi novelty, which is obviously done with

somebody needs to go back in time and kill the teenage mutant ninja turtles.

somebody needs to go back in time and kill the teenage mutant ninja turtles.

-- Tracer Hand, Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:42 AM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

F.U. man wtf

btw while we're on the subject, what do you guys make of this WALL-E flick? I feel like the trailers have been too vague for me to really have any idea whether it's more likely to be great or garbage.

somebody needs to go back in time and kill the teenage mutant ninja turtles.

-- Tracer Hand,

FU MAN WTF

I think Wall-E looks fantastic.

Also, Gay Ken is astonishing.

somebody needs to go back in time and kill teenage mutant ninja turtles bugs bunny

also, destroy Sgt. Peppers' so prog doesn't happen

this Gayken?

http://www.usmagazine.com/files/clay_blog.jpg

Bolt is a computer animated film produced by Walt Disney Animation Studios, and will be Disney's 47th animated feature. The story is about Bolt, a white German Shepherd who has lived all his life on the set of a TV show in which he portrays a superhero dog, and as a result thinks that his superpowers are real. Later, he gets accidentally separated from the studio. He then meets a female cat named Mittens and a hamster who never leaves his exercise ball, and eventually he discovers that all of his powers are fake.

do we need rintintin meets toy story?

oh and
It stars the voices of John Travolta, Miley Cyrus, Malcolm McDowell, Diedrich Bader, Nick Swardson, Greg Germann and Susie Essman.

hahaha i had no idea anyone was invested in memories of the teenage mutant ninja turtles, sorry d00dz!

or should i say "donatello and raphael"

has someone already killed off two of them?

no, those are my new nicknames for deej and deeznuts

Michaelangelo was way more smirky than Donatello

no, those are my new nicknames for deej and deeznuts

-- Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 June 2008 17:54 (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

Why would you give two seperate nicknames to the same poster?

i hate almost all new animated features not made by pixar and even those can occasionally have a little bullshit here and there. but for the most part they're pretty awesome. but i think every single other animated feature just has a formula of loud colorful junk for the kids, innuendo for the adults, and shit jokes for everyone. i mean maybe pixar traffics in that as well to some degree but it happens like once per movie and the rest tends to keep pretty close to the disney formula. but i was watching alice in wonderland once and i was thinking how much was lost when randy newman took over the music factory with his cookie cutter "do you want to be my friend" academy songbait.

http://beehivestudios.koojisites.com/auctionpages/stickers/chibidonatello_finishedstickersample.jpg

Why would you give two seperate nicknames to the same poster?

-- The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:55 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

ban

uh oh is and what gonna have to fite to defend Randy Newman's honor again?

you've got a capn-save-a-ho in he

i guess that doesnt really work

it's ok, deejnuts, i thought it was funny

i like randy newman but his disney stuff, not so much.

not gonna defend the time i got drunk & cried watching joan cusacks song from toy story 2 on youtube at 2 in the morning

That was a big scene.

Tracer is OTM, the only reason ppl don't hate equally on TMNT is that WE WERE KIDS THEN, IF IT HAPPENED WHEN WE WERE KIDS IT'S PURE

i hate on tmnt equally

cartoons are some bullshit

Over the Hedge was awesome, but in general I hate this bullshit too

xpost however: cartoons are some bullshit DISAGREE

did this all start with Tom and Jerry? namely Jerry? I agree that the modern shit is hella grating and lazy, but you can't knock T&J.

This actually wasn't too bad:

http://www.thewebpen.net/movies/505173~Monster-House-Posters.jpg

This was marginally OK:

http://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/r/h/O/meettherobinsonsposter.jpg

solid proof that tmnt is in no way comparable to this bullshit - adults & adult film critics alike both despised & didnt get it

ie if tmnt pandered it actually pandered to the right audience

http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/73340/kirby_gets_tough_qjpreviewth.jpg

haha that is seriously depressing, Kirby's one of my favorite 'tude-free modern animated/vid game protagonists.

my heroes

http://kungfurodeo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/chowder1.jpg

American Kirby has angry eyebrows. Japanese Kirby does not. This says something about our two cultures.

and i do love squirrel boy

http://kjzz.org/news/arizona/archives/200607/squirrelboy/squirrelboy.gif

my other heroes

http://lezette.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/courage-the-cowardly-dog.jpg

i'm a camp lazlo fan too

http://www.aolcdn.com/ch_kids/camp-lazlo-raj-clam-300-032707.jpg

and naturally i love grim and billy and mandy

http://www.aolcdn.com/ch_kids/grim-adventures-billy-mandy-300-032707.jpg

I'm afraid we may blame Chuck Jones (sniff)
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n229/ljechris/opt.jpg

and foster's is still genius of course

http://www.aolcdn.com/ch_kids/fosters-home-for-imaginary-300-032707.jpg

scott how do you feel about The Fairly OddParents? my wife watches it like daily but I've always kinda found it irritating.

and fairly oddparents just gets MORE genius as time goes on

http://www.aolcdn.com/ch_kids/fairly-odd-parents-timmy-300-032707.jpg

fairly x-post!

fairly oddparents now has, like, EPIC story lines. so friggin' imaginative. so convoluted and cool.

genius non-funny edition

http://darialois.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/avatar1.jpg

yeah now and then I find it pretty clever or impressive, but the overall vibe puts me off somehow. Foster's is my shit, though.

i was all set to love chop socky chooks, but it kinda blows. i'm sick of the kung fu shit.

http://www.racewire.org/archives/chopsockychooks.jpg

you know what i can't really deal with is grown-up stoner cartoons

what about

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/The_Incredibles-group-L-01.jpg

i love the fairly oddparents episodes that go to hell and back to save the universe. they are crazy.

there is an even newer kung fu animal show starting now too. ugh, give it a rest.

haven't seen it, but it reminds me of Family Guy xp

"you know what i can't really deal with is grown-up stoner cartoons"

http://www.mistershape.com/blog/uploaded_images/gabbatv-736301.jpg

I don't know how people feel about this 'round here but it always makes me laugh:

http://kungfurodeo.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/ATHF_DOWNSHOT.png

xp

you know what i can't really deal with is grown-up stoner cartoons

well, that answers that!

http://i22.tinypic.com/2ugotgy.jpg

I know it looks rubbish, but this was fun, srsly.

love the incredibles

i liked surf's up! saw it last week.

not gonna defend the time i got drunk & cried watching joan cusacks song from toy story 2 on youtube at 2 in the morning

-- and what, Thursday, June 19, 2008 5:03 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

^^^ OTM, this is like the saddest movie moment in recent history

you'll think i'm completely crazy, but i bought this for rufus when we were all totally sick with vomitstomachbugs a couple years ago and it ended up being one of my favorite things to watch. i've seen it a bunch of times and i never get sick of it. it's like a trance film. just this endless beautiful colorful race that transfixes me.

http://www.dvdexpresstt.com/Images/012236149361.jpeg

Oft-overlooked KLASSIK:

http://www.geocities.com/theactionkingsk/TheIronGiant-DVDcoverart.jpg

Venture Bros hasn't gotta mention yet?

ventures bros and home movies i like but for the most part adult swim is a wasteland to me

ventures bros and home movies i like but for the most part adult swim is a wasteland to me

-- deej, Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:02 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ cosign 100%

haha that is seriously depressing, Kirby's one of my favorite 'tude-free modern animated/vid game protagonists.

Kirby ftw esp in the new SSB

ooh I just sent back like three netflix I need to make sure ventures are near the top of my queue

just this endless beautiful colorful race that transfixes me.

oh word!! I caught that on cartoon network randomly flipping through hotel channels once and scott so OTM, I forgot about it 'til now
will also be heading into the queue asap

this is why netflix is great, you can load up on kid trash and weird animated popcorn garbage and there's no clerk either looking at you like "wtf weirdo" or "finally somebody else understands"

I'm afraid we may blame Chuck Jones (sniff)

but SexyDancer, the CROOSHUL difference there (to me) is that the coyote is actually a clueless loser! all these new smirkers are supposed to actually be cool.

was going to say woody woodpecker is the original cool smirking badass poochie but he doesn't really smirk, he's just on a lot of cocaine, fucking with you

what about mighty mouse?

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k118/Striker_au/Muttley.jpg

http://goobox.com/store/catalog/images/hong_kong_phoey.jpg

ay didn't read this but kung fu panda is dat realness yall need to get up on it for real

what if i'm ill-prepared for awesomeness?

Jack Black will show you the eyebrow is why he makes the big bucks.

xp: see Chuck Jones' Bugs Bunny for 'tude archetype, y'all

^ point I made already, but was ignored ;_;

we're old. nobody under 30 even knows who Bugs Bunny even is

Foster's Imaginary whatever is the ugliest fucking TV show.

?

May as well get my standard cartoon short heresy out of the way now - The Fleischer material is superior in every way to the WB or Disney material.

http://www.aolcdn.com/ch_kids/fosters-home-for-imaginary-300-032707.jpg

this shit. the characters are all well-designed, but it so poorly animated that everything blends into the backgrounds and just looks like someones dragging shit around with a mouse. to paraphrase mst3k: shit makes clutch cargo look like wallace and grommit

i feel you man. you look at old cartoons and shit is designed all 3 dimensional - if the animators wanted to rotate daffy duck around they could draw that shit from every angle. but post dexters lab/powerpuff girls bullshit just goes for this flat colorforms 60s bullshit instead of being real animators and it looks like trash. fuck fosters home for imaginary urban outfitters vinyl toy collectors.

You guys should be reading Kricfalusi's blog if you're not already; it's bitchfestcentral for all these complaints.
For my money, I don't watch kid's animation for fun for the same reason I don't drink out of sippy cups; it ain't made for me.
I've pretty much finished watching every Home Movies and King of the Hill episode; the new Venture Brothers are fucking incredible though.

yo gabba gabba <3<3<3

this newschool cartoon network style is ok w/me, fosters home etc
visually i have more of a problem with stuff like athf and sealab, they look like flash animations or something barfffff, but thats not enough to make me hate those either because sometimes they bring the funny

i guess a lot of them use flash now but athf/sealab etc just look really lazy i guess? which i'm sure is part of the point but they still look like shit

http://www.dvdtown.com/images/displayimage.php?id=6285

do venture bros. count as a grown-up stoner toon?.
i love the shit out of this show.

“You want a dark, Goth version of Tweety Bird?"

pretty sure this describes some ILXors

Every Adult Swim show except Boondocks is just unbearable.

Are you guys all in a backyard wrestling league I don't know about?

The animation on those shows are so bad, it makes me wonder why people are getting paid for them when pretty much anyone can make that shit on YouTube.

You ever read Krisfalusi's Spin interview where he trashed South Park? Dude may have been the last great animator that television has ever had.

Though Spongebob Squarepants is a pretty wonderfully animated show, but it clearly owes a lot to Ren & Stimpy.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee253/luvfaery13/Samurai_Jack_by_kilroyart.jpg

Greatest animated action show since the big bang.

I hate pop culture jokes. Unless it's about stuff I think other people won't get

none of this shit lives up to Krisfalusi

first 6 eps of ren + stimpy should be in the smithsonian

i do love chowder. and i like the animation. i like when they cut to weird live-action puppets. everyone should watch chowder once! i like flapjack too. and i like the new speed racer. i HATE johnny test though and i don't care what rufus says. spongebob is still going strong. when rufus first saw ren & stimpy he thought it was the greatest thing he had ever seen. then i showed him some old 6 hour drug store vhs tape of ancient public domain popeye, batman, bugs bunny, etc, and he couldn't stop thanking me for showing him that stuff. he was in awe. he's got pretty good taste for a five year old. sadly, he loves scooby doo as much as i used to as a kid. even horrible later-era scooby doo.

ancient public domain cartoons on drugstore VHS tapes <3 4 EVA

serious though, look how much John K cares about this stuff: http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/

Don't they show Bugs Bunny on like TBS or TNT or something anymore?

rufus thinks tom & jerry is the best of all.

flapjack is totally 3D by the way!

i think there are episodes of courage the cowardly dog that rival ren & stimpy for sheer joy and invention.

Every Adult Swim show except Boondocks is just unbearable.

-- Whiney G. Weingarten, Thursday, 19 June 2008 23:56 (Yesterday) Link

if you're still talking mainly in terms of animation quality, OK, that's arguable, but ugh the TV version of Boondocks blows.

I'll rep for John K. as an animator and for those episodes of R&S any time, but in fairness, it also appears that the dude is a grade-A cockfarmer to pretty much everyone except possibly Ralph Bakshi. This, from an interview at The Onion AV Club this week w/Billy West:

AVC: Your website has a warning that if people are just there to talk about Ren & Stimpy, they can "hit the bricks." Does it irritate you to even talk about the show?

BW: No, I had people that were coming on my own website and attacking me. You know, they were like Hillary Clinton supporters? It was very ugly. And I'm sorry, I hate to say it, but it was a forum that I paid for, and these people would come on, and they were too cheap to get their own fucking forum, so they used mine as their platform for their love of (Ren & Stimpy creator) John (Kricfalusi) and all this other crap.

(John K.) wanted me to quit the job when he got fired (in 1992). But the problem there is that I wasn't his partner. I was a hired gun.

AVC: But you were largely responsible for the show getting picked up in the first place.

BW: Well yeah, and then these people badmouth me for 10 years, like a rock in my shoe in that camp. It's a very small but active group of posters, as I've come to find out. But the thing is that I finally got to the point where, "Okay, I get you, I get it you don't like that I did what I did." But the thing was, the whole story was cockeyed. They said I put everybody out of work. No, I didn't. Everybody was going to be out of work if I didn't continue the show.

(John K.) is very talented; he used to really piss me off. But I did good work, you know? The show without me was totally unsuccessful. So if there's anybody listening out there with any doubts about what I can do for a show: Try me. The thing is, I wasn't about to stop doing a job. And he called me up, screaming at me, saying they can do the show without him, but they'll never be able to do it without me. So in other words, he was saying, "If you quit the show, you have the clout to get me back on." And I said, "You're fartin' way higher than your ass on that one, because everybody is disposable." Everybody is! I don't have that much of an ego where it's like "How dare you, you can't do something without me." Although the show did fucking do a bellyflop in a sundress. (Laughs.) Because I didn't do it.

I'm well aware of all the crazy baggage w/ Ren & Stimpy but if anything that quote reflects more poorly on West than Kricfalusi.

also god the more i think about it, being a net-savvy celebrity must be the worst thing ever. as much of a mess as the moderator situation on ILX can be, can you imagine trying to moderate a forum about yourself?

I disagree -- sure, West can be and is full of himself and his talent (although deservedly so) but fuck Krisfaluci for wanting West to give up a paying voice gig to try to save someone else's job. Voice work like that is hard enough to get, and it's not like Nickelodeon was so invested in the show -- given how much shit they gave the producers over the years and how control-freaky they got over content -- that they wouldn't have simply said, "OK, fuck it, it's cancelled." West quitting wouldn't have brought Krisfaluci back to the show under any conceivable set of circumstances.

as much as i love hot stuff comix, john k. is, like, the ultimate rockist.

did john k. have anything to say about this recent development:

http://i19.tinypic.com/4kp4sxg.jpg

and a thousand dan decarlo fans weep...

that guy's got a soul patch, he's bad news veronica!

That's sort of charming in that some 90-year-old Archie editor's idea of sexing up Betty and Veronica for a new millennium is to make them look like Barbie comics from 1989

Looks like Art Adams, actually.

I haven't watched too much of Foster's Home, but I can't fault them for making a super cheap Flash cartoon as easy on the eyes as possible. Speaking of pop culture references though I think Venture Brothers is just getting too nerdy for me

Yeah but Art Adams in tenth grade or something like that, it's kinda amateurish

I didn't know Kung Fu Panda featured the voices of Jack Back, Seth Rogan AND David Cross. The Smirk Pack!

Why not just throw Norm MacDonald in there?

all those dudes are pretty funny but they arent fit to lick norm macdonald's asshole

They occupy Lagrangian points of the Burt Reynolds-Norm MacDonald system.

btw this thread is currently the top google result for "snarky badass"

smirky, rather

#5 is a review of The Transporter 2

They had to record the voice parts of each member of the Smirk Pack separately for fear their combined smarm powers would cause the universe to disappear inside its own asshole.

Global Smarming

mad rockism on this thread altho i agree with most of it

not gonna defend the time i got drunk & cried watching joan cusacks song from toy story 2 on youtube at 2 in the morning

-- and what, Thursday, June 19, 2008 5:03 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

^^^ OTM, this is like the saddest movie moment in recent history

-- n/a, Thursday, 19 June 2008 18:57 (1 week ago)

the bit in Ice Age when the mammoth sees the cave paintings of his kind being slaughtered by neanderthals or whatever also up there

My girl at the time fuckin bawled her eyes out at the Sarah McLachlan sequence in Toy Story 2 and always appreciated me not calling her out on it.

i'm sayin

i feel you man. you look at old cartoons and shit is designed all 3 dimensional - if the animators wanted to rotate daffy duck around they could draw that shit from every angle.

That's because the animators needed the money for new shoes, since their soles were worn down from running through fifteen foot snowdrifts every day with wolves chasing them down for their rationed hunks of bread and cheese. BUY WAR BONDS

damn i was dry-eyed during ts 2 but when buzz lightyear finds out hes not a real person in the first story i always get a lump in my throat

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/c190ae5c-6fae-11dd-986f-0000779fd18c.html?nclick_check=1

ts smirky poochie vs ho'd up tweensploitation anorexia toons

Dora to explore older, racier market

oh god no, they've discovered Deviantart

I saw an episode of "What's New, Scooby Doo?" yesterday that I'm pretty sure featured the (paraphrased) line:

"I'm 18 years old. I'm old enough to legally ... vote."

-Velma's cousin, voiced by Jenny McCarthy.

I'll confirm this next time the kid(gf's son) puts it on, but I'm not trying to encourage Scooby Doo these days since he makes me do the voice.

Kung Fu Panda was pretty damn good by the way.

Agreed, I went to Kung Fu Panda with low expectations and was surprised how much I enjoyed it.

Shark Tale, on the other hand, is truly horrible.

I wish i could find the boner joke in Ratatouille and C&P it for you guys

saw kung fu panda on the plane - weak juice

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v422/dieautobot/doracopy.jpg

that post turned out to be a lot less funny and a lot more disturbing than I thought it would be

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6a/Blank_Check_film.jpg

i saw that in the theater w/ my grandma in 1994

preston waters, cool name

is that lil faggot stealing british money?

The only thing about that movie that stuck with me was that a man's name was Juice

fact: i auditioned for the part of preston waters when i was a kid

!!!!!

real talk

no!!!!!!

sorry you didn't get the part :(

srsly

was also in the opening minutes of Little Big League

and came ~this~ close to being the humpback in the Secret Garden lol

oh man

one of my lolcollege girlfriends was up for the part of the girl in my girl

my brief and lolarious life as a child actor

goddam smirky eyebrow-raised badass child actors nowadays

does gbx have an imdb entry

no :(

uncredited

but i did make $1500 for sliding into third base, so f u

u r my hero

Kung Fu Panda was... meh. Once his balls dropped and he started fighting the bad guy who FINALLY showed up, I thought, YES! The fun part starts! Then it ended. Not that the rest of the movie suckes, but the story arc was way lame.

This may be the absolute nadir of this kind of thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pa_Weidt08

Ansel Elgort and Taron Egerton are the IRL versions of this

^ tweener bait. who decides this kind of shite deserves to be bankrolled for tens of millions? I hope it's a flop(sy).

wtf @ that Peter Rabbit trailer

Would not blame descendants of Beatrix Potter burning down any theaters showing this atrocity.

(after hours/when empty obvs)

I'm not going to be able to watch that until after work but I feel the dread creeping in nonetheless.

What's left to ruin at this point? We should submit a list to the major animation studios so they can just get it over with.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DreamworksFace

Yikes I didn't realize tvtropes pages were written so terribly.

All wikis everywhere are written in the exact same standards throughout.

I set a very high standard when it comes to wikis on the house style of animation studios that make cinematic diarrhea.

Okay, fuck that movie directly in its stupid, smirky face. I hope everyone involved gets untreatable crabs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPibAvHU1-U

this is as far as any modern take on peter rabbit can safely go imo

what does 'poochie' mean? this has bothered me for years.

that peter rabbit movie looks like shit. why has rose byrne let me down like this

I will recommend the Paddington movie that came out a few years ago though, it was sweet.

Poochie from the simpsons

My gf thinks it's funny that I get worked up every time I see a commercial for that Peter Rabbit abomination. It would've been cheaper to just film 90 minutes of someone wiping their ass with page after page from a Beatrix Potter treasury.

Think my kids would prefer to watch that. Actually anything with disgusting bodily functions works for them in terms of entertainment.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/shortcuts/2018/feb/12/allergies-peter-rabbit-apology-not-good-enough

TBF, the characters in the original Potter stories often cruelly exploited one another's infirmities for a cheap laff, followed by a 'show me the mon-ay, byaaatch!'

i think i might've just found my "oh ffs shut up" line

My six-year-old son Callum has from 28 severe allergies – from all dairies to gluten, eggs, tomatoes and all forms of nuts and citrus.

damn, good luck callum... also maybe wait for the movie to come out on bluray xxp

]My six-year-old son Callum has from 28 severe allergies – from all dairies to gluten, eggs, tomatoes and all forms of nuts and citrus.

Kid in bag, bag in river. Start over.

meanwhile, i have to walk past this smirky eyebrow-raising motherfucker every day i go to work and i've come very close to committing serious damage to the bus stop

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/03/cb/bd/03cbbd4de46ee9042fa65be6199075e1.jpg

For some reason, a 2017 AV Club article about the Poochie episode of The Simpsons was re-circulated on the site last week. It's OK.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/Screen%20Shot%202018-11-09%20at%203.02.03%20PM_zpslznfuohm.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/Screen%20Shot%202018-11-09%20at%203.02.15%20PM_zpsweiez8rp.png

shit looks so bad

Yep but basically on a par with all the other Happy Meal shit year on year

I don't like this new grinch pic.twitter.com/Dl7VtQxVB1

— Bug Mane🐛 (@bugmanetv) October 20, 2018

Lego Movie 1 was alright, it's just funny how these cool toys have moved into the territory of smirky eyebrow-raised badass poochie cartoons.

https://redtricom.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/rex-dangervest-chris-pratt-the-lego-movie-2-the-second-part.jpg?w=1280&h=922

um that's kind of the point of Lego Movie 2

oh cool, i'll see it

This chick is incredibly annoying 🙄 pic.twitter.com/dynrUiGkFi

— Ghost 💀🖤 (@yourghostfrend) August 1, 2021

iirc, ages-old ilx wisdom dictates that when a man says he finds a woman "annoying", it means he wants to fuck her.

(of shame)

She really does get the cartoon princess facial expressions perfectly. Some uncanny valley stuff. (Does "uncanny" also signal libidinous interest?)

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=5654105694683726

^ far less cartoony than the one posted by X. pretty drab stuff tbh.

honestly not clear on who did it first

Okay this made me snort

I dunno this is pretty funny pic.twitter.com/Zn6bnCvqMv

— 金冠 (@styrojeff) August 2, 2021

The idea of reverse uncanny valley (not sure how else to describe it) is certainly a unique sort of creepy. Kind of like all those similar videos where people try to emulate video game NPCs.

honestly I can never tell if this sort of thing is just engineered for hate clicks

What bewilders me is people who can't distinguish decades whatsoever. 60s & 70s, but especially 80s & 90s kinda run together for them. I feel like due to consuming pop culture as a kid from every era 40s to the then-present I no problem at least guessing the decade correctly. My friend and I used to play the "what year was this movie released" and judging it solely on clothing and film stock we'd get within a year or 2 nearly every time.

Goddamit how'd that happen

if this was 1990 she would've gone to the NFL (National Forensic League) nationals in San Jose and totally dominated HI (Humorous Interpretation). rubbery face is pretty mesmerizing, though a little goes a long way.

How did she do this without accidentally splitting her face apart, is what I want to know

her eyes are nuts

She really does get the cartoon princess facial expressions perfectly. Some uncanny valley stuff. (Does "uncanny" also signal libidinous interest?)

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, August 2, 2021 11:38 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Totally. Impressive if extremely cringe.

Is she lip-syncing? If so, where does the original audio come from?

Tik Tok is like a nightmare for creative expression. It’s all just people making their own versions of viral videos—often seeming to put a lot of time into mimicking what has already been done. No other social media platform has been nearly this dystopian.

People used to do stuff like that as their 'party trick' to amuse their friends, because such specialized talents were useless in any other part of life.

Tbh the disney princess impression seems actually well done and original. But it seems to be in the service of one of these viral memes—like her spin on it. And the “three looks” one is certainly that, I’ve seen it before.

No other social media platform has been nearly this dystopian.

did you miss Friendster

i miss vine

Vine was so much better.

3 Looks is based on a Jenna Marbles video from 2014, which has apparently seen a TikTok revival.

these people existed on vine but it was so easy to never encounter them if you didn't want to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2TsiFctXkU

if I could go back in time to erase one movie it would be Ace Ventura

i would read a paper tracing the decade-by-decade history of objectively insufferable comedy from 1900 to the present

if I could go back in time to erase one movie it would be Ace Ventura

It really did (to me) seem funny and norm-breaking at the time but now I'm kind of like, oh, I guess that's why there were norms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXED2AVlbR0

How did she do this without accidentally splitting her face apart, is what I want to know

She's using some kind of filter, I think?

Some kind of image manipulation going on.

https://i.imgur.com/XzbU07J.png

https://www.reddit.com/r/uncannyvalley/comments/cha497/reverse_uncanny_valley_she_moves_like_a_cartoon/

I feel so sorry for her central nervous system

Strong Laura Dern in Inland Empire vibe

Now do the locomotion

with me?

https://reallifemag.com/tiktok-face/#!

Feel so glad I abandoned the social media ship when I did, feel so sad for the younger generations living life through this dystopian filter

I think what that article brings home for me is how routinely young people take and share photos of their face, which sounds like a nightmare to me

that article and this one linked were just uh...profoundly depressing to me

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/decade-in-review/the-age-of-instagram-face

yeah I read this yesterday and was similarly dismayed: https://www.vox.com/the-goods/22598377/bbl-brazilian-butt-lift-miami-cost-tiktok

I notice there's no analogous Peruvian Penis Pump

There are many things to despise about society as a whole but the myriad ways in which women specifically are invited to mutilate themselves or have mutilation forced on them by others is one of the worst.

xpost Well if people would just contribute to my goddamn GoFundMe already

Until the last decade or so, the BBL was not common practice in the US. Its origins, as its name suggests, are in Brazil, where cosmetic surgery has a storied background, largely due to the country’s history of eugenics. In 1918, Dr. Renato Kehl founded the Eugenics Society of São Paulo, which aimed to erase all signs of Black and Indigenous physical appearance in Brazil. In 1960, a surgeon named Ivo Pitanguy founded the world’s first plastic surgery training center in Brazil, where he pioneered what became known as the Brazilian butt lift and taught surgeons all over the globe how to perform his techniques.

i'm irrationally annoyed by this shameless non-sequitur

There are many things to despise about society as a whole but the myriad ways in which women specifically are invited to mutilate themselves or have mutilation forced on them by others is one of the worst.

― Karl Havoc (DJP), Wednesday, August 4, 2021 2:30 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFKdZsAkMqs

oh my god what the hell is that

it's a guy who was on an episode of "how to with john wilson," highly recommended, and i hate how fucking catchy the song is

Anyway: I feel like on some level it is a positive development that people put their images through weird filters on Instagram in order to look different -- the hope is that we're at the tail end of the stage where people think how you look in person is how you "really" look, which is what's driving the perverse urge to get your body cut open in order to recreate in inferior physical form what Instagram can do easily and cheaply. In the future, looking one way on the screen and looking a different, perhaps less-marked-as-desirable way in so-called "real life" will not seem any weirder than looking one way dressed up and wearing makeup and a different, less-marked-as-desirable way when you wake up in your pajamas. And then we can fire all the plastic surgeons.

vtubers are, presumably, the first wave of that - although their relationships with fans, the real world, etc. is definitely different that an influencer on instagram or someone on a dating app.

Before you get too depressed over "instagram face" and similar self-mutilations, that entire New Yorker article was centered around real life examples provided by Beverly Hills and its ethic. Although pressure to conform to commercialized standards of feminine beauty is nearly universal, even extending into poorer nations now, the more extreme versions that include plastic surgery and expensive injections will be out of reach of the vast majority of women. It's always going to be a rather fringe phenomenon.

https://d43fweuh3sg51.cloudfront.net/media/media_files/a1e7449c-7171-47da-b82f-817b21ac0db6/7e206072-450e-4f6c-83c0-277fbec14513.png

Problem solved!
The problem is solved!
We solved the problem
And everything is awesome!
Problem solved!

Anyway: I feel like on some level it is a positive development that people put their images through weird filters on Instagram in order to look different -- the hope is that we're at the tail end of the stage where people think how you look in person is how you "really" look, which is what's driving the perverse urge to get your body cut open in order to recreate in inferior physical form what Instagram can do easily and cheaply. In the future, looking one way on the screen and looking a different, perhaps less-marked-as-desirable way in so-called "real life" will not seem any weirder than looking one way dressed up and wearing makeup and a different, less-marked-as-desirable way when you wake up in your pajamas. And then we can fire all the plastic surgeons.

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, August 4, 2021 1:04 PM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

hmm, i feel the converse. the filters making young people look much more conventionally attractive cannot be good for self-image and just anecdotally i know tons of women, some in their 20s, who are getting fillers and botox now whereas i knew none 5 years ago

If you're curious about numbers: https://www.plasticsurgery.org/documents/News/Statistics/2020/plastic-surgery-statistics-full-report-2020.pdf

15.6 million "procedures" (which includes Botox; 2.3 million of those are surgeries). That's a 14% drop from 2019, though obviously Covid is that crucial factor there

those are US numbers btw

There are many things to despise about society as a whole but the myriad ways in which every thought expressed in public must be crushed into a false binary straitjacket so it can be applauded or denounced in the simplest terms is one of the worst.

It's really more that your pathological need to be the most nuanced person in the room makes you post unnecessary things that don't expand or enrich the conversation

unnecessary things that don't expand or enrich the conversation

this makes me feel abnormally typical

hmm, i feel the converse. the filters making young people look much more conventionally attractive cannot be good for self-image and just anecdotally i know tons of women, some in their 20s, who are getting fillers and botox now whereas i knew none 5 years ago

yeah kind of my feeling, I put a pic of myself through a filter and thought "damn! I look good!" and then got depressed that I don't actually look like that. it also seems to be kind of a thing on dating apps - my wife has a cousin who's meeting people using one but using a picture of herself that looks nothing like actually does...I don't wanna be insensitive, but this almost feels like a form of catfishing?

frog you're a fox

great revive

well thanks but imagine if my nose were smaller. it would be game over for all of you

xp
sounds like someone needs an eyebrow raise and a little light smirkening around the mouth

The article rob posted above was interesting. People are not just trying to look “hotter” — younger, slimmer, smoother — they are turning themselves into human cartoons with cartoon facial expressions and sound effects. The ideal is not even realistic for anyone — not even the most conventional looking person around — it isn’t meant to be on our plane of reality. This is about virtual representations of the self supplanting the real self, probably causing weird kinds of dysmorphia.

Not even dysmorphia. A more general or fundamental alienation from the body. I think this is why it seems so dystopian.

I guess digital foot-binding and skull shaping is preferable to IRL foot-binding

Yeah that is true. But people are getting real-life surgery to approximate anime body proportions.

https://www.statesman.com/storyimage/TX/20161012/NEWS/310112497/EP/1/3/EP-310112497.jpg

this is the terrifying sequel to 28 days later I really needed

Alex Jones is not yet 50

14 years on...

https://images.mymovies.net/images/film/cin/350x522/fid21007.jpg

maximum Poochie

The original Legion of Super-Pets is v much not a smirky eyebrow-raised badass Poochie comic strip

https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Legion_of_Super-Pets_%28Earth-One%29

https://i.imgur.com/R4JmXDx.jpg

Excellent.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNWEyYzc2YjItYzY4Ni00ZTY2LWJjYTItMjJiYTE1MWNkZTU4XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyODUwMzI1NTI@._V1_.jpg

http://www.impawards.com/2023/posters/ruby_gillman_teenage_kraken_ver6_xlg.jpg

Dreamworks, it is time for you to learn to draw faces

There is a large slice of society for which smirk=WINNER and a smaller slice to whom smirk=sociopath, we must choose a side

Well going by the trailer for that movie, the filmmakers are in the latter slice since she’s the baddie lol

del Toro just a few days ago:

The 58-year-old filmmaker spent a good portion of his Annecy master class deriding what he sees as destructive tendencies in much commercial animation where characters and emotions are “codified into a sort of teenage rom-com, almost emoji-style behavior. (If) I see a character raising his fucking eyebrow, or crossing his arms, having a sassy pose — oh, I hate that shit. (Why) does everything act as if they’re in a sitcom? I think it's emotional pornography. All the families are happy and sassy and quick, everyone has a one-liner. Well, my dad was boring. I was boring. Everybody in my family was boring. We had no one-liners. We’re all fucked up. That’s what I want to see animated. I would love to see real life in animation. I actually think it’s urgent. think it’s urgent to see real life in animation.”

Guillermo del Toro, welcome to the resistance

"Well, that just happened."

already noted upthread but

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/lego/images/6/6e/LEGO-Smiley-001.png/revision/latest?cb=20131127180524

to

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/9b/fa/ca9bfa14ff7384c85dde033ab28290ca.jpg

http://https%3A//media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230504113629-01-what-are-zillennials-olarte-wellness.jpg%3Fc%3D16x9%26q%3Dh_540%2Cw_960%2Cc_fill/f_webp

from: "Zillennials: The newest micro-generation has a name" https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/10/health/what-are-zillennials-wellness/index.html

Apparently this is the smirking generation. No generation has suffered more. "“They attended college during the pandemic, and missed out on important social markers.” So they must smirk.

goddamit

well just click the link to get your dose of smirk

http://https%3A//media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230504113629-01-what-are-zillennials-olarte-wellness.jpg

i give up.

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/230504113629-01-what-are-zillennials-olarte-wellness.jpg

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNzk4ODdiOTEtMTk3YS00MzZmLTgyOWMtYzc1NjgxYWE2MmMyXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTUzMTg2ODkz._V1_.jpg

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/garfield/images/2/22/Garfield1980.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width/360?cb=20231128184048

Garfield was kind of a pioneer when it comes to smirky cartoon characters