As long as he stages the pretzel-choking scene with multiple angles, I'm there.
http://www.cinematical.com/2008/03/27/oliver-stone-casts-dubyas-parents/
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:07 (sixteen years ago) link
Why couldn't anyone besides Oliver Stone be the first to take this on?
― Hurting 2, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:09 (sixteen years ago) link
has anyone noticed that oliver stone is a weirdo?
― gabbneb, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:09 (sixteen years ago) link
No. Never have.
― kenan, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:13 (sixteen years ago) link
The writer did the Giuliani TV movie that starred James Woods.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link
winners all
― gabbneb, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:15 (sixteen years ago) link
hahaha oh man this is gonna be funny
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:16 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm unclear if this is gonna be a birth-to-surge all-in life story
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:16 (sixteen years ago) link
omg this is gonna be the best ever !!!
― jhøshea, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:17 (sixteen years ago) link
I lobby for James Woods as Rumsfeld
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:18 (sixteen years ago) link
That James Woods Giuliani movie is insane.
― C0L1N B..., Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:19 (sixteen years ago) link
im assuming we can rely on stone to paint the least flattering picture possible? but after that 9/11 bullshit im not so sure. i mean not one hint at a conspiracy or anything?
alls im saying is oliver stone just be oliver stone here - now is the time we need you.
― jhøshea, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:20 (sixteen years ago) link
who will play Cheney!?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:20 (sixteen years ago) link
Cromwell is a good choice
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Thing is this is NOT going to be funny. It's going to be a completely humorless take on a subject that is almost impossible to make humorless.
― Hurting 2, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:22 (sixteen years ago) link
who for Fredo Gonzales? Javier Bardem?
Don't forget how unexpectedly soft Nixon turned out...
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:22 (sixteen years ago) link
oh come on hurting theres really no such thing as a not hilarious stone pic
― jhøshea, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:23 (sixteen years ago) link
kinda can't wait for this!!
― s1ocki, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:24 (sixteen years ago) link
and ya jhoshea otm
yeah I kinda like Nixon and it IS funny (Woods as Haldeman! Discovering all the doorknobs in the oval office are missing! Praying on bended knee with Kissinger!)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:24 (sixteen years ago) link
resemblance be damned, Steve Coogan for Tony Blair
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:24 (sixteen years ago) link
steve carell for tony blair
― jhøshea, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link
shadoe stevens for tony blair
― s1ocki, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Steve Carell for 'Brownie'!
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:32 (sixteen years ago) link
hmmm i like it
― jhøshea, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:33 (sixteen years ago) link
its too bad Burgess Meredith isn't around to play Cheney
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Alexander was rough going (but did have some big roffles as they went)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:33 (sixteen years ago) link
the doors movie is one of the top comedies ever committed to film
― jhøshea, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Sacha Baron Cohen as Saddam
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link
Robert Downey Jr as Condoleeza Rice
― nickalicious, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:36 (sixteen years ago) link
Cate Blanchett as Bono
― nickalicious, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link
omg if he did this in a natural born killers motif w/our casting suggestions it really would be the best movie ever
― jhøshea, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link
The only way I could even get through the trailer of World Trade Centre was to decide the whole thing was a piss-take.
This would make it all worthwhile, especially if every other actor played things deadly serious.
― chap, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Terrence Howard as Powell
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Larry David as Cheney.
― chap, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:39 (sixteen years ago) link
martin landau as wolfowitz
― s1ocki, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:40 (sixteen years ago) link
wait Landau's dead
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:41 (sixteen years ago) link
Larry David as Cheney!!!!
yes
― nickalicious, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:41 (sixteen years ago) link
Martin Short as Nancy Pelosi
― nickalicious, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:42 (sixteen years ago) link
This will be terrible. Oliver Stone is such a hamfisted, pious director.
― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:42 (sixteen years ago) link
Cheney's the toughest to cast, and obv crucial. maybe Woody Harrelson padded in a bald wig.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:43 (sixteen years ago) link
This will be fantastic. Oliver Stone is such a hamfisted, pious director.
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link
woody must factor in somewhere
― jhøshea, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Meatloaf as Roger Clemens
― wanko ergo sum, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link
woody could be W.'s alcoholic devil past, resting on W.'s shoulder during crucial times and whispering sweet cocaine dreams in his ear
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:45 (sixteen years ago) link
I hope he scouts for locations high on mushrooms for this one too (a la desert scenes in NBK).
― nickalicious, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Actually one of the worst things about it being so soon is that it will not include the drunken post-presidential downward spiral.
― Hurting 2, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link
How much of the film will occur in DC vs various golf courses and vacation homes?
Laura's already cast, btw:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20186389,00.html
Stone, who wrote the screenplay with his Wall Street co-writer Stanley Weiser, has been openly critical of Bush's invasion of Iraq, but he has said the biopic will present a fair and accurate portrait, focused on things like his relationship with his father, President George H.W. Bush, his wild younger days, and his conversion to Christianity. Stone was quoted in Variety last January as saying, ''People have turned my political ideas into a cliche, but that is superficial. I'm a dramatist who is interested in people, and I have empathy for Bush as a human being, much the same as I did for Castro, Nixon, Jim Morrison, Jim Garrison, and Alexander the Great.'' Shooting on W is scheduled to start in late April.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:47 (sixteen years ago) link
ha, he DID direct Alexander didn't he? I completely erased that movie from memory.
― nickalicious, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:48 (sixteen years ago) link
i see no reason to not include the occasional flash-forward
― jhøshea, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Cheney's the toughest to cast, and obv crucial. maybe Woody Harrelson padded in a bald wig
James Earl Jones would be perfect, if you can get past the skin-color thing. Darth Vader as himself.
― o. nate, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Larry the Cable Guy as youthful W's coke dealer
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:49 (sixteen years ago) link
(W shaves head, W flips out at gas station, W pregnant again, etc.)
― Hurting 2, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:49 (sixteen years ago) link
egads that Kevin Smith movie.
― C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Morgan Freeman as a magical Colin Powell
― Hurting 2, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:50 (sixteen years ago) link
PS Hoffman ft Cheney.
― suzy, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:50 (sixteen years ago) link
not old enough
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Fred Thompson
― C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:51 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:41 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
rong!!
― s1ocki, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:52 (sixteen years ago) link
wishful thinking
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:52 (sixteen years ago) link
hoffman for ROVE
― s1ocki, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:53 (sixteen years ago) link
YES
obv Kirsten Dunst & Michelle Williams as Jenna & Barbara
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:53 (sixteen years ago) link
haha
― s1ocki, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:54 (sixteen years ago) link
who will play Daddy/41?
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Dana Carvey?
― C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link
betcha it's cromwell
― s1ocki, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link
haha xp
Pity they've already decided against Jon Stewart doing his Dubya impression as Dubya.
― chap, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link
the late Fred Gwynne as John Kerry
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:56 (sixteen years ago) link
No, not him, who played Lurch?
― suzy, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Ted Cassidy also dead
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link
-- jhøshea, Thursday, March 27, 2008 4:48 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
how to spot the LOST fans on non-LOST threads
― nickalicious, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Freeman actually will be Kofi Annan, mark my words.
― chap, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link
weird, why did I think Landau was dead? he would be great for Wolfie
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:58 (sixteen years ago) link
oh, right. hi, i can't read.
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:58 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't see any problem with casting a corpse as John Kerry
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 27 March 2008 16:59 (sixteen years ago) link
obv Shakey, but Herman Munster had the lantern jaw
Hal Holbrook as Robert Byrd
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link
-- nickalicious, Thursday, March 27, 2008 12:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link
haha i was actually thinking this would be better as an endless multi-season tv show
― jhøshea, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link
Tom Noonan as John Kerry Michael J. Fox as John Edwards
― David R., Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link
What about the movie Lurch?
― C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link
Larry David as Ari Fleischer!!!
― David R., Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Mickey Rooney as John McCain
andy rooney as harry reid
― jhøshea, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Guy who played Jean-Do Bauby's dad in Diving Bell and the Butterfly as John McCain
― Hurting 2, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Jeffrey Jones as Larry Craig (uncredited)
― David R., Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:05 (sixteen years ago) link
xp: is that Max von Sydow?
heavy on W-as-God's Chosen, apparently -- who as W's vision of God?
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:06 (sixteen years ago) link
-- Hurting 2, Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:04 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link
max von sydow??
― s1ocki, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:06 (sixteen years ago) link
yes!
― Hurting 2, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:07 (sixteen years ago) link
no old Swedes
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:07 (sixteen years ago) link
-- who as W's vision of God?
Duh, himself
― C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:08 (sixteen years ago) link
Charlton Heston
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:09 (sixteen years ago) link
in Planet of the Apes make-up
― David R., Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:10 (sixteen years ago) link
JM J. Bullock as Rummy Whoopi as Condi
― gabbneb, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:11 (sixteen years ago) link
udo kier is the only cheney i want to see
http://www.players.de/40/bild1k.jpg
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:12 (sixteen years ago) link
Lark Voorhies as Condi
― Hurting 2, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Wanda Sykes as Condi
― o. nate, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Eddie Murphy as Condi
― David R., Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Wally Cox as Karl Rove
― gabbneb, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link
dame judy dench as harriet meirs
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link
Jeff Goldblum as OBL
― wanko ergo sum, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:14 (sixteen years ago) link
anton chigurh as alberto gonzalez
Seth Rogan as Tim Russert Ed Helms as Tom Brokaw
― C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:15 (sixteen years ago) link
lord custos epsilon as this thread
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Tommy Lee Jones as Al Gore
― C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Actually I want Kevin Tighe (Cooper/real Sawyer on LOST, Col Andropolis on Freaks & Geeks) as McCain. FOR REALS.
― nickalicious, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:16 (sixteen years ago) link
-- J0rdan S., Thursday, March 27, 2008 10:15 AM (46 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
― omar little, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Charlie Sheen as Rumsfeld
― o. nate, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:18 (sixteen years ago) link
you guys are hard, hard men, xp
― gabbneb, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:19 (sixteen years ago) link
^^^ YES. He is also great in Matewan.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Whoa yeah, perfect
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:24 (sixteen years ago) link
John Turturro as Wolfowitz
― o. nate, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Kevin Tighe would be great. The role would rival his work in Road House.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Now you're talking crazy Ned.
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Wha bout Powers Boothe?!?!?!?!
― David R., Thursday, 27 March 2008 17:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Wilford Brimley as Cheney.
It's the right thing to do.
― Sara Sara Sara, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link
"It's not Rove."
― David R., Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Myers's Dr, Evil I think would be most appropriate under the circumstances.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:18 (sixteen years ago) link
At the end of said movie Tighe bloodily murders a man with a gun. This I can see McCain doing.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Bill Cosby as Clarence Thomas.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link
GWB = Wile E Coyote OBL = Roadrunner DC = Daffy Duck KR = Porky Pig
― Oilyrags, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Who is Bugs Bunny? Ashcroft = Foghorn Leghorn?
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:26 (sixteen years ago) link
but who will play obama & hills?
― jhøshea, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:27 (sixteen years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/dysign/ilx/drcheney.jpg perfect.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Obama - Sylvester HRC - Tweety
― Oilyrags, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Bugs is a tough one, though.
― Oilyrags, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Bugs-Bill Clinton
― C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Bin Laden = Marvin the Martian
― chap, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Toby McGuire for Matt Drudge. Philip Seymour Hoffman as Andrew Sullivan. John C. Reilly as Josh Marshall. Susan Sarandon as Maureen Dowd. Some half-step between Terrence Howard and James Earl Jones for Colin Powell. Parker Posey as Ana Marie Cox.
― Eazy, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link
howard dean = the housewife in the sylvester/tweety cartoons
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:34 (sixteen years ago) link
I saw about 3 minutes of "Little Bush" the other day. Holy Christ, Comedy Central, wtf is wrong with you to spend money on the shit.
― Oilyrags, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:37 (sixteen years ago) link
^^^ yeah. 8 years too late and not at all funny either
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:51 (sixteen years ago) link
well if lateness was an issue "That's My Bush!" wouldn't have been horrible too
― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link
lil tony blair was actually hilarious
― jhøshea, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:55 (sixteen years ago) link
did that ever even air? I thought they ran into all kinds of problems... basic premise sounded pretty lame anyway, I never saw it. Am I misremembering that that was Stone and Parker's brainchild...? Those South Park guys are pretty hit-and-miss concept-wise.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:58 (sixteen years ago) link
this will be one of my favorite scenes:
pilot: "just take your damn physical, georgie. we need you! I need you"
W: "I made a deal with the devil Johnny, and I keep my deals"
pilot: "but you're a good pilot! a pillar of the air national guard!"
W: "pillar of the air national guard by day, coke bars at night"
pilot: "if you walk away from this, you walk away from a white-hot future!"
W: "i got a white-hot rock of columbian cocaine in my future, then maybe some black-hot oil. For once I'm gonna be the decider in my life okay?"
pilot: "you're the boss, georgie. you're our leader."
W: "shoot Johnny, let's go grab a beer. The KING of beers."
― Cosmo Vitelli, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link
It aired. Regretably for all concerned.
― Oilyrags, Thursday, 27 March 2008 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link
can't laugh or cry. http://youtube.com/watch?v=IK9wVxNVF8w
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 27 March 2008 19:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Tim Bottoms was a scary W lookalike tho
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 19:06 (sixteen years ago) link
I've been talking about Kevin Tighe as McCain for years! Years, people!
― jaymc, Thursday, 27 March 2008 19:09 (sixteen years ago) link
He'll have to wait for McCain's presidency, if any movie theaters are still standing by 2013.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 27 March 2008 19:12 (sixteen years ago) link
CALLED IT!
― s1ocki, Thursday, 27 March 2008 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link
"Ellen Burstyn as George Herbert Walker Bush"
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 27 March 2008 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
JUICE BY GEORGE!
― David R., Thursday, 27 March 2008 22:00 (sixteen years ago) link
I just wish it was a musical.
― Nicole, Friday, 28 March 2008 13:12 (sixteen years ago) link
I can see OS sticking in a dance number similar to the end of the 2nd Jackass flick.
― David R., Friday, 28 March 2008 13:28 (sixteen years ago) link
weird, why did I think Landau was dead? he would be great for Wolfie-- Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:58 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link
-- Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:58 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link
lol Shakey i dunno
― gr8080, Friday, 28 March 2008 21:54 (sixteen years ago) link
this will be one of my favorite scenes:pilot: "just take your damn physical, georgie. we need you! I need you"W: "I made a deal with the devil Johnny, and I keep my deals"pilot: "but you're a good pilot! a pillar of the air national guard!"W: "pillar of the air national guard by day, coke bars at night"pilot: "if you walk away from this, you walk away from a white-hot future!"W: "i got a white-hot rock of columbian cocaine in my future, then maybe some black-hot oil. For once I'm gonna be the decider in my life okay?"pilot: "you're the boss, georgie. you're our leader."W: "shoot Johnny, let's go grab a beer. The KING of beers."-- Cosmo Vitelli, Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:59 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link
-- Cosmo Vitelli, Thursday, March 27, 2008 8:59 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link
omar, can you get to work on some of these?
i'll slip this under oliver's door
― omar little, Friday, 28 March 2008 21:55 (sixteen years ago) link
from Jeffrey Wells' Hollywood Elsewhere blog (someone emailed him a script):
I'll post a thought or two about Stanley Weiser's W, formerly known as Bush, on Monday. I couldn't get my hands on a recently revised draft, but if the film that Oliver Stone will begin shooting next month is at all similar to what's on the page, W won't be any kind of breathtaking, guns-blazing, political-zing movie. It's primarily a modest, brick-by-brick character study about who George W. Bush really is deep down.
― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 29 March 2008 23:32 (sixteen years ago) link
that might actually be interesting if it were any good (ie if it agrees with me about who he really is).
lol at gr80
― gabbneb, Saturday, 29 March 2008 23:36 (sixteen years ago) link
after reading robert draper's semi-authorized bio "dead certain," i've got to say that bush is kind of a fascinating, weird, complex character. i could see this movie being watchable, at least (it helps that the only stone film i even sort of like is nixon).
― J.D., Saturday, 29 March 2008 23:39 (sixteen years ago) link
I almost bought that book today! how is it?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 29 March 2008 23:44 (sixteen years ago) link
i enjoyed it a lot, partly because it's clearly not a hatchet job. draper is totally sympathetic to bush's motives, likes him as a person, never condescends to him -- which makes it all the more convincing when he explains why bush failed in such a huge way. draper's writing style is a bit new journalism-y (let's just say he uses a bit too many exclamation points) but i'd rate it above any other book on the guy i've read.
― J.D., Saturday, 29 March 2008 23:56 (sixteen years ago) link
how did i miss this thread?
― latebloomer, Sunday, 30 March 2008 09:16 (sixteen years ago) link
you had other priorities.
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 31 March 2008 13:29 (sixteen years ago) link
Soon after a disastrous news conference in April 2004, Bush retreats to the White House den to watch a Texas Rangers game in the final scene of the script.
Popping open a nonalcoholic beer, he lapses into his favorite dream: playing center field for the Rangers. Hearing the crack of the bat, he looks up for the ball but he can't find it in the sky. ABC News
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:10 (sixteen years ago) link
Years later, after Dubya drains a pint of Wild Turkey and runs over a pile of trash cans while driving home, his angry father tells him to call Alcoholics Anonymous, prompting Dubya to sarcastically deride his dad as "Mr. Perfect. Mr. War Hero. Mr F-- God Almighty."
― and what, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:12 (sixteen years ago) link
i am first in line for this
this is gonna be like that made-for-tv movie where cybill shepherd plays martha stewart x10000000
― and what, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:13 (sixteen years ago) link
Clearly that scene was written by someone that hates baseball.
― David R., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link
"early screenplay," don't expect to see everything there... But we need an Ari Fleischer! Jeremy Piven or Jason Alexander?
In one scene, Bush practices his parachute landing in the White House pool but forgets to properly release the harness and sinks to the bottom. In another scene, Rumsfeld doodles a drawing of Condoleeza Rice standing on a piano with a globe spinning on her finger....
He interrupts a meeting with Prince Bandar, in which he informs the Saudi ambassador about plans to invade Iraq, so that he can catch the rest of the 2002 Miami Dolphins-Baltimore Ravens playoff game. Bush is later shown choking on a pretzel and passing out during the second quarter.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:18 (sixteen years ago) link
stoked
― latebloomer, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:18 (sixteen years ago) link
-- and what, Tuesday, April 1, 2008 4:12 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
me too haha
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:19 (sixteen years ago) link
-- David R., Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:02 PM
― David R., Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:20 (sixteen years ago) link
there's gonna be nothing in this about his helping run his daddy's campaigns and becoming a serious political operative, rite? didn't think so.
― gabbneb, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:20 (sixteen years ago) link
hey, let's list bald jews
Piven's a good pick
anyone think they might have a screening of this at the white house?
― latebloomer, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link
if they do i'm so going!!!
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:22 (sixteen years ago) link
I'd like to see the scene where Hunter S. Thompson pulls him out of an empty bathtub and throws him out of his hotel room.
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:23 (sixteen years ago) link
"The first time I noticed George W Bush was when he passed out in my bathtub at the Hyatt Regency in Houston. He was with a guy who had come to sell -- Look, I'm not going to put this next sentence on the record. Let's just say that 'a friend of mine' was buying cocaine. I have friends in Houston from all walks of life. Lawyers. Professional men. Bush was hanging around with this crowd of what you might call gilded coke dilettantes. I remember Bush as a kind of a butt-boy for the smart people. This was in the late 1970s, when he was in his drunken-fool period. He couldn't handle liquor. He knew who I was, at that time, because I had a reputation as a writer. I knew he was part of the Bush dynasty. But he was nothing, he offered nothing, and he promised nothing. He had no humour. He was insignificant in every way and consequently I didn't pay much attention to him. But when he passed out in my bathtub, then I noticed him. I'd been in another room, talking to the bright people. I had to have him taken away."
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:25 (sixteen years ago) link
god this is going to be so awesome
Piven would be great as Fleischer, good call
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:27 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www-tc.pbs.org/newshour/extra/road_taken/images/fleischer_young.jpg?Log=0
"Let's play another prank on Dwight!"
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Andy Samberg!
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:35 (sixteen years ago) link
who should play fleischer's crazy "lbj did it" dad?
― latebloomer, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Tracer, do you have a link?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 16:50 (sixteen years ago) link
Hunter S. Thompson muses about Richard Nixon and 9/11
― and what, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 17:01 (sixteen years ago) link
^^^love that article
― omar little, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link
I ain't playing that game, thanks.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 17:06 (sixteen years ago) link
via Cinematical:
Jeffrey Wright is reportedly in negotiations to play Colin Powell, Tommy Lee Jones is supposedly being sought for Donald Rumsfeld, Robert Duvall has been rumored to be the choice for Vice President Dick Cheney and now both Paul Giamatti and Toby Jones are being named as potentials for the part of Karl Rove (who Giamatti may have already channeled for his character in Shoot 'Em Up).
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 17:59 (sixteen years ago) link
So PSH has said no to Rove, then.
― suzy, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 18:02 (sixteen years ago) link
I can't say I like any of those casting choices
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 18:04 (sixteen years ago) link
I shouldn't have clicked on that link.
― Nicole, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 18:25 (sixteen years ago) link
I didn't know Rummy & Cheney had been in both the Ford Administration and Lonesome Dove
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 18:52 (sixteen years ago) link
my gf's dad is gonna be in this
/max
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 19:38 (sixteen years ago) link
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/04/thompson_to_pla.html
― gabbneb, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 22:30 (sixteen years ago) link
The Bush administration is coming together -- and adding a key ally for good measure.
Oliver Stone has found the actress to play Condoleezza Rice in his upcoming "W," with Thandie Newton in final negotiations to star as the National Security Advisor-turned-Secretary of State.
Meanwhile, Ioan Gruffudd is in final talks to play former British prime minister Tony Blair.
― gershy, Sunday, 6 April 2008 04:39 (sixteen years ago) link
yer too good for condi, thandie <3 <3 <3
http://images.celebscentral.net/images/celebrities/thandienewton/20.jpg
― gershy, Sunday, 6 April 2008 04:41 (sixteen years ago) link
HAHA, ALL-HOTTED-UP CAST
― Dr Morbius, Sunday, 6 April 2008 16:41 (sixteen years ago) link
Thandie Newton is way too young to play Condi. Couldn't he have gotten someone like Alfre Woodard?
― jaymc, Monday, 7 April 2008 22:43 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3i1155cb8195120add876286155ef704a6
― gabbneb, Tuesday, 8 April 2008 04:02 (sixteen years ago) link
http://gawker.com/assets/images/gawker/2008/04/Picture%2029-1.jpg
― latebloomer, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:45 (sixteen years ago) link
Real men of genius.
― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:56 (sixteen years ago) link
hahahaha
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 15:57 (sixteen years ago) link
Rob Corddry as Ari! OK, this shit is getting weird now,
http://www.cinematical.com/2008/04/09/rob-corddry-is-ari-fleischer-in-stones-w/
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 10 April 2008 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link
wait is this supposed to be a comedy or not
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 10 April 2008 20:36 (sixteen years ago) link
no matter what its supposed to be it is going to be LAFFS
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 10 April 2008 20:47 (sixteen years ago) link
I mean, the Nixon movie had some chuckles, but how straight can the Fleischer scenes be with that casting? It'll be big-budget Daily Show.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 10 April 2008 20:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Maybe Stone'll have Corrdry do something dramatic to show that He Is Serious -- shoot a mugger, abort a baby, pay for Maalox w/ cash instead of a Visa Check Card, etc.
― David R., Thursday, 10 April 2008 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Fleischer press conferences were already comedy routines anyway
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 10 April 2008 21:09 (sixteen years ago) link
ya - seems fitting.
― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, 10 April 2008 21:12 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20198476,00.html
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 8 May 2008 19:03 (sixteen years ago) link
That make-up's kinda scary.
― David R., Thursday, 8 May 2008 19:05 (sixteen years ago) link
Tough Talker Bush, 26, drunk-drives his car onto the lawn of his parents' D.C. home, and challenges his dad to a fight, ''Let's go mano a mano! Right here. Right now!'' Then, in 2003, when France fails to back the U.S. on its invasion of Iraq, Bush says of French president Jacques Chirac, ''I'd like to stuff a plate of freedom fries down that slick piece of s---'s throat.''
Practical Joker During a prep meeting on Iraq, Bush playfully locks Colin Powell out of the room. He then steals a mint from Condoleezza Rice and tells Paul Wolfowitz to trim his ear hair.
― max, Thursday, 8 May 2008 19:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Scott Glenn as Rumsfeld; Cheney still unannounced.
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/a95876/bourne-actor-cast-as-donald-rumsfeld.html
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 19:31 (sixteen years ago) link
This sounds even better than the scene in Nixon with Bob Hoskins Frenching the Hispanofag from "My So-Called Life."
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 19:53 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3ic8cebb424120f3a576fdfb72633580f7
Richard Dreyfuss heads to the White House To play Dick Cheney in Oliver Stone's upcoming "W"
By Steven Zeitchik
May 22, 2008, 08:44 AM Related Content Complete Cannes coverage CANNES -- Josh Brolin has a vice president.
Richard Dreyfuss could soon make the trip to Oliver Stone's White House, entering final negotiations to play Dick Cheney in the provcateur director's upcoming "W."
The role is the last major position in the Bush administration to be filled; the West Wing is already occupied by the likes of Brolin (President Bush) Thandie Newton (Condoleezza Rice) and Elizabeth Banks (Laura Bush).
The 60-year-old Dreyfuss has never played a U.S. leader, but has had a few related roles. He starred as an opposition senator to Michael Douglas' commander in chief in 1995's "The American President," as Alexander Haig in a television movie about Ronald Reagan and played the president of a banana republic in the 1980s comedy "Moon Over Parador."
The QED-produced "W," which has been granted a waiver by SAG, begins shooting this month in Shreveport, La. QED has been selling territorial rights at Cannes' Marche du Film, with the idea that the movie will be released in October, before Americans elect a new president. A DVD release will follow in January timed to Bush leaving office.
― latebloomer, Thursday, 22 May 2008 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link
I am starting to really look forward to this.
― caek, Thursday, 22 May 2008 16:49 (sixteen years ago) link
Perfect casting:
http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1507787.jpg
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 22 May 2008 16:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Seriously. What I actually hope - I mean in my heart of absolute hearts - is that Stone plays this one so close to a documentary that it will look like a National Geographic program.
But Thandie as Condie? Hmmm.
― B.L.A.M., Thursday, 22 May 2008 16:53 (sixteen years ago) link
The 60-year-old Dreyfuss has never played a U.S. leader
Not true, he played the prez in Clooney's TV remake of Fail-Safe.
Don't see him as a plausible Cheney tho.
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 22 May 2008 16:54 (sixteen years ago) link
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/8189/1507787fe2.jpg
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 22 May 2008 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link
http://media.tbo.com/photos/trib/2004/oct/1007drey.jpghttp://media.tbo.com/photos/trib/2004/oct/1007chen.jpg
― jaymc, Thursday, 22 May 2008 16:56 (sixteen years ago) link
'The 60-year-old Dreyfuss has never played a U.S. leader
Not true, he played the prez in Clooney's TV remake of Fail-Safe.'
OT but remember when this guy was gonna do a live version of network on cbs? that woulda been must see tv
― deeznuts, Thursday, 22 May 2008 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/3619/richarddreyfussvp6.jpg http://www.fp-es.org/images/artwork_8th_19_3.jpg
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 22 May 2008 16:58 (sixteen years ago) link
Cheney not Jewish enuf
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 22 May 2008 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link
i hope the part where he blasts a dude in the face makes it in
― gr8080, Saturday, 24 May 2008 01:09 (sixteen years ago) link
dreyfuss is perfect and I don't even particularly like him as an actor. very excited for this
― Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 24 May 2008 04:04 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/06/04/teaser-poster-for-oliver-stones-w/
http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/wteaserposter.jpg
― latebloomer, Friday, 6 June 2008 13:37 (sixteen years ago) link
saw that!
was Dreyfuss officially signed?
anyone got the recent W quote about how econ stimulus would help "the machine-making place"?
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 6 June 2008 13:48 (sixteen years ago) link
"And so the fact that they purchased the machine meant somebody had to make the machine. And when somebody makes a machine, it means there's jobs at the machine-making place." --George W. Bush, Mesa, Arizona, May 27, 2008
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushisms.htm and there's an audio gallery!
― ledge, Friday, 6 June 2008 14:10 (sixteen years ago) link
what a fucking retarded poster
― gr8080, Sunday, 8 June 2008 03:29 (sixteen years ago) link
apparently it has NO relation to the Stone film.
― Dr Morbius, Sunday, 8 June 2008 17:45 (sixteen years ago) link
holy christ how did this escape my attention
― gbx, Sunday, 8 June 2008 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link
iMdb:
Sayed Badreya ... Saddam Hussein
Jason Ritter ... Jeb Bush (rumored)
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 16 June 2008 16:32 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1082098/ lolol
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 16 June 2008 17:12 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-ca-w29-2008jun29,0,934790.story
DRESSED IN a suffocating Rangers warmup jacket earlier on that scorching June day, Brolin kept running into an outfield wall, trying to make a heroic catch as part of the film's baseball-oriented fantasy framing device.Stone worried the leap wasn't quite athletic enough and chose to add the baseball's falling into Brolin's mitt through visual effects -- allowing the "No Country for Old Men" star to throw himself into doing everything else.
Stone worried the leap wasn't quite athletic enough and chose to add the baseball's falling into Brolin's mitt through visual effects -- allowing the "No Country for Old Men" star to throw himself into doing everything else.
!!!!!
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-06/40497430.jpg
― Pancakes Hackman, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 16:24 (fifteen years ago) link
i own a polo shirt in that color
― jhøshea, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 16:26 (fifteen years ago) link
I R EXCITED
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 16:32 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't see how this can be anything except "Mommie Dearest" levels of utter fantasticness.
― Pancakes Hackman, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 16:34 (fifteen years ago) link
gonna be kind of awesome if it does come out before the GE as planned.
― banriquit, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 16:34 (fifteen years ago) link
Brolin's head looks huge in that pic.
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 1 July 2008 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Brolin getting deep into character? (w/ help from Jeffrey Wright)
http://www.towleroad.com/2008/07/fictional-georg.html
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 14 July 2008 15:22 (fifteen years ago) link
According to a sober source who was in the Stray Cat, a few profanity-laced barbs about Stone, his politics and the reported anti-Bush tone of ''W'' led to harsh words from Brolin -- who is known for his own short fuse. Then a few pushes (it's unclear who started the pushing) degenerated into punches being thrown.
A ''W'' crew member reports Wright initially tried to play peacemaker, but that changed ''after a racial slur was yelled'' and the actor got ''into it as well.''
http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/zwecker/1055471,CST-FTR-zp15.article
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 17 July 2008 14:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Trailer has leaked:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJh7Md5KuWc
― caek, Monday, 28 July 2008 00:34 (fifteen years ago) link
so is stone actually playing this as a dark comedy then, or is that just bs to get people to see another overwrought political drama?
dont answer
― deeznuts, Monday, 28 July 2008 00:38 (fifteen years ago) link
When was the last time "What a Wonderful World" was not used as ham-fisted wickedness/violence contrast in a movie?
This still looks awesome tho.
― Abbott, Monday, 28 July 2008 00:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Attn: world; song is best without irony.
fucking cosign to infinity
― J0hn D., Monday, 28 July 2008 00:46 (fifteen years ago) link
oliver stone has a great sense of humor, abbott -_-
― deeznuts, Monday, 28 July 2008 00:46 (fifteen years ago) link
trailer needs more solsbury hill
― velko, Monday, 28 July 2008 01:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Yus. I actually like a use of it at the end of the original Hitchhiker's Guide radio series, which while it follows a scene with ironic undertones acts more as a reflective, gentle balm.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 28 July 2008 02:03 (fifteen years ago) link
the prob w/ using what a wonderful world w.out irony in a trailer is that it has to be totally contextless to be pure
this has probably always been the case
― deeznuts, Monday, 28 July 2008 02:05 (fifteen years ago) link
lol @ creepy capote guy playing rove
― velko, Monday, 28 July 2008 02:10 (fifteen years ago) link
looks awesome
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 28 July 2008 03:09 (fifteen years ago) link
looks horrible
― Mr. Que, Monday, 28 July 2008 03:12 (fifteen years ago) link
it looks awesome if you give stone way more credit than he deserves; ie believe he can actually play this off as a comedy rather than forcefully make some kind of political points that are only gonna dampen the response to it
― deeznuts, Monday, 28 July 2008 03:12 (fifteen years ago) link
it looks. . . horrible
― Mr. Que, Monday, 28 July 2008 03:13 (fifteen years ago) link
it looks horrible
― deeznuts, Monday, 28 July 2008 03:14 (fifteen years ago) link
Fuck this movie, I want to see Brolin and Jeffrey Wright teaming up to kick redneck ass in a loooziana bar.
― kenan, Monday, 28 July 2008 03:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Excruciatingly horrible.
― Johnny Fever, Monday, 28 July 2008 03:22 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0lz5ae4Bls&feature=related
― peter james, Monday, 28 July 2008 03:57 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-uv9mIF2yk
― and what, Monday, 28 July 2008 04:09 (fifteen years ago) link
diskoatdapalace (3 days ago) Show Hide 0 Poor comment Good comment Marked as spam Reply A bit David Lynch, a bit the Doors, probably even more Frank Zappa, Pee Wee Herman,The Who's Tommy,and the Rocky Horror Picture Show.Crazy and bound to be one of those 'You either love it or hate it' types of film events.
― gr8080, Monday, 28 July 2008 04:35 (fifteen years ago) link
"'George W. Bush is a different souffle.... The film will be more fun [than Nixon]. Bush is dangerous, but he is also goofy, awkward and endearing. A lot of people still like him.'
"Presented with the ultimate question -- which man would he prefer be on a long car trip with -- Stone unhesitatingly chose Nixon over Bush. 'He was more intelligent. Bush has done outrageous things, and he has no guilt. He is a backslapper and a salesman. He's not very deep.''
"Stone, however, says both Nixon and W. ask the same question: 'Why do we keep going to war? Why do we keep creating enemies? Bush is the latest and perhaps the most dangerous manifestation. Vietnam was a nightmare. It's amazing that the same characters have returned and sold us another war.''
Stone said he "now believes that 1995 was an unfortunate time to have made Nixon, and believes that if the film had come out in 2006 "with all its parallels" to our current political predicament that it would have done much better. He says that it's interesting to see Nixon now. "We view him in a different context. He seems almost harmless compared to the current administration."
http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2008/08/more_fun_than_n.php
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 14:00 (fifteen years ago) link
nice posters.
http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2008/08/palens_best_ad.php
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 18 August 2008 18:11 (fifteen years ago) link
George W. Bush is a different souffle....
waht
― HI DERE, Monday, 18 August 2008 19:45 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh how nice if he could be flattened just by stomping around the room while he's in the oven.
― Abbott, Monday, 18 August 2008 19:56 (fifteen years ago) link
There's something wrong with my sentence.
― Abbott, Monday, 18 August 2008 19:57 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah i know he forgot the accent on the "é"
bastard
― amateurist, Monday, 18 August 2008 22:52 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/10/wmovie200810
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:11 (fifteen years ago) link
oh man look at the puss on Dreyfuss
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:12 (fifteen years ago) link
isn't Step 1 of playing Cheney "put on puss"?
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Jeffrey Wright as Colin Powell, Toby Jones as Karl Rove, Dennis Boutsikaris as Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Dreyfuss as Dick Cheney, Josh Brolin as George W. Bush, Thandie Newton as Condoleezza Rice, Rob Corddry as Ari Fleischer, Bruce McGill as George Tenet, and Scott Glenn as Donald Rumsfeld
many lols
― "goole" (goole), Thursday, 18 September 2008 18:33 (fifteen years ago) link
this is gonna be a gas
― I want to be your Dairy Queen (latebloomer), Thursday, 18 September 2008 20:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Fierman: Wait, are you saying this movie is a comedy?
Stone: Well, it has to be done with an ebullience and a certain fun, because the guy is goofy. He's a goofball! And I think he endeared himself to people because he couldn't get anything right. Kubrick was an idol of mine. I grew up on Strangelove and movies like Network, and they made a big impact on me. So yeah, W. is a satire.
Fierman: What do you think about what's happening at the box office right now?
Stone: It's all about the muscularization of film. Comics changed everything. It's movies on steroids. I mean, look at Transformers. That made a fortune, but it's incomprehensible! Maybe I'm too old for it.
http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_7465
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 22 September 2008 14:58 (fifteen years ago) link
ok this is def going to be the bestest movie ever
― update prefs (ice crӕm), Monday, 22 September 2008 23:56 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/22/oliver-stones-w-movie-an_n_128195.html
― update prefs (ice crӕm), Tuesday, 23 September 2008 00:00 (fifteen years ago) link
opens on my birthday! this was meant to be.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 23 September 2008 00:04 (fifteen years ago) link
The TV spot ending w/ slow-mo pretzel choke is encouraging.
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 6 October 2008 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link
+ use of "once in a lifetime"
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Monday, 6 October 2008 17:08 (fifteen years ago) link
actually, the ads never, ever fail to crack me up. i'm so excited to see this dumb movie. the one where he glares at cheney and says "i don't even understand why you'd bring this up when i'm eating lunch" is a good point actually.
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Monday, 6 October 2008 17:09 (fifteen years ago) link
The more ads I see for this movie, the more excited I get about it.
― Like sicking a little bit of water into my mouth (HI DERE), Monday, 6 October 2008 17:59 (fifteen years ago) link
the MPAA rating is PG-13, so less filthy verbiage than I was hoping for.
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 6 October 2008 18:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Can't wait to read nutjob reviews of this.
― Kramkoob (Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃), Monday, 6 October 2008 18:12 (fifteen years ago) link
so no "go fuck yourself" lines eh? :(
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 6 October 2008 18:12 (fifteen years ago) link
having just lived through 8 years of W I'm not sure I want to pay for another 2 hours
― akm, Monday, 6 October 2008 18:31 (fifteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:04 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
That's what I said about Alexander
― Brosef Stalin (latebloomer), Monday, 6 October 2008 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link
still, totally psyched about seeing this
Says nothing about the movie, but whoever edited the ads and set them to "Once in a Lifetime" is genius.
― Pete Scholtes, Monday, 6 October 2008 22:21 (fifteen years ago) link
my "birthday party" has now been transformed into a bunch of people going to see this
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 6 October 2008 22:23 (fifteen years ago) link
I think you are allowed 2 or 3 "fucks" in a PG-13.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 13:24 (fifteen years ago) link
only if you're quiet
― Granny Dainger, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 14:22 (fifteen years ago) link
hahaha
― Like sicking a little bit of water into my mouth (HI DERE), Tuesday, 7 October 2008 14:29 (fifteen years ago) link
the trailer made me lol
― warmsherry, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 14:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes. For instance, Elisabeth Shue: "Don't fuck with the babysitter."
― jaymc, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link
I think you're allowed fuck in PG-13 if it's used as in "fuck you!!" or "that's fucked up" rather than "I want to fuck you".
― tokyo rosemary, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 15:18 (fifteen years ago) link
well, there goes George and Laura's first date.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link
does Clay Shaw make a cameo?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 15:23 (fifteen years ago) link
http://daily.greencine.com/archives/006803.html
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 18:14 (fifteen years ago) link
if David Poland likes, I'm skeptical.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 7 October 2008 18:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Stone trying to be a Colbert w/ Colbert last night, failing
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 10 October 2008 14:42 (fifteen years ago) link
i dug this
― s1ocki, Friday, 10 October 2008 14:49 (fifteen years ago) link
The movie?
― jaymc, Friday, 10 October 2008 18:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, I saw this before work this morning, and it was kind of painful. If you go on that show, you kind of have to accept that you will be upstaged by Colbert, and the only option is to earnestly play along and not mind if it looks a little goofy.
― nabisco, Friday, 10 October 2008 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link
Or throw water in his face.
― Nicole, Friday, 10 October 2008 18:22 (fifteen years ago) link
http://www.jfk-online.com/jones.jpg
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 10 October 2008 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link
― jaymc, Tuesday, October 7, 2008 10:59 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
some movies from before pg-13 ratings have "fuck" in them too, like spaceballs and all the presidents men
― and what, Friday, 10 October 2008 18:25 (fifteen years ago) link
actually spaceballs is from 87 so i have no idea how it got a pg except maybe the mpaa didnt hear rick moranis adlibbing the line
― and what, Friday, 10 October 2008 18:26 (fifteen years ago) link
yes i dug the movie!
― s1ocki, Friday, 10 October 2008 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Those were Daphne Zuniga's halcyon days. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
― Like sicking a little bit of water into my mouth (HI DERE), Friday, 10 October 2008 18:27 (fifteen years ago) link
xp Give us a teaser.
― jaymc, Friday, 10 October 2008 18:28 (fifteen years ago) link
beetlejuice drops a couple fucks too & im pretty sure that was pg
― and what, Friday, 10 October 2008 18:28 (fifteen years ago) link
in american teen which is pg-13 they start bleeping out the fucks after 2 or 3 or whatever the limit is
― kgb (J0rdan S.), Friday, 10 October 2008 18:29 (fifteen years ago) link
the freshman, which is PG, also has a "fuck"
― omar little, Friday, 10 October 2008 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link
new thread for this
― and what, Friday, 10 October 2008 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link
yes we know there were goddamn fucks in PG films
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 10 October 2008 18:33 (fifteen years ago) link
The Right Stuff is loaded with 'em, usually in the form of a fuckin'-a, and also Shepard's prayer. I always figured there was some kind of astronaut loophole.
― crusty but benign (kenan), Friday, 10 October 2008 18:47 (fifteen years ago) link
movies you cant believe are g/pg/pg-13
― and what, Friday, 10 October 2008 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link
apparently Dreyfuss' Cheney explains Iraq by using a ham sandwich.
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 10 October 2008 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link
slocki what about the movie
― the valves of houston (gbx), Friday, 10 October 2008 19:05 (fifteen years ago) link
it runs a mere 131 minutes.
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 13 October 2008 16:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Good interview with Oliver Stone in WNYC's Leonard Lopate show (on iTunes, etc.).
― Eazy, Monday, 13 October 2008 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link
OST tracklist:
War Introduction from the W. Original Film Score - Paul Cantelon The Whiffenpoof Song - Collegians Male Chorus Claudette - Roy Orbison Chattahoochee - Alan Jackson Shot Gun Boogie - Hank Thompson Bayou from the W. Original Film Score - Paul Cantelon Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys - Willie Nelson Wasted Days and Wasted Nights - Freddy Fender Delta Waltz from the W. Original Film Score - Paul Cantelon Robin Hood - Dick James Deep in the Heart of Texas - Gene Autry The Differencemaker from the W. Original Film Score - Paul Cantelon What a Wonderful World - Eddy Arnold Yellow Rose of Texas - Mitch Miller War from the W. Original Film Score - Paul Cantelon I'm Winging My Way Back to Home - Blackwood Brothers With God on Our Side - Bob Dylan
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 14 October 2008 20:02 (fifteen years ago) link
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 14 October 2008 20:03 (fifteen years ago) link
and thus should fit nicely with the film I suspect
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 14 October 2008 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link
no "won't get fooled again" no cred
― Little Hussein (Pancakes Hackman), Tuesday, 14 October 2008 20:05 (fifteen years ago) link
"once in a lifetime" in the trailer is like my top music-in-film moment of the year
― J.D., Tuesday, 14 October 2008 22:23 (fifteen years ago) link
Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up to Be Cowboys - Willie Nelson
Do you see? Oh good.
― Carrie Bradshaw Layfield (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Tuesday, 14 October 2008 22:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Yellow Rose of Texas - Mitch Miller
Needs to be featured in a scene where W. pees on the TX statehouse wall.
― Everything is Highlighted (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 14 October 2008 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Hoberman asks, who cares? "The least-nuanced performance in a film full of cartoon characterizations is Brolin's Bush. A simian slob, modeled on Andy Griffith's raucous run-amok in A Face in the Crowd and given to bad-tempered pronouncements while stuffing his face, Brolin uses stupidity as a crucifix. He wards off sympathy as though it were a vampire...."
http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-10-15/film/oliver-stone-assigns-motive-to-dubya-s-m-o-in-w-but-at-this-point-who-cares-other-than-josh-brolin/
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 17:28 (fifteen years ago) link
That's pretty much the exact impression the trailer gives.
― disdick (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 15 October 2008 17:34 (fifteen years ago) link
comaplaining about the political timing/squandered potential "impact" of the movie seems kinda stupid.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 17:36 (fifteen years ago) link
True. But I think the bigger things to complain about here are the rush to get the first word in and then squandering that opportunity by doing a hack job that basically sounds like a superficial round-up of the already conventional wisdom and most-remembered moments.
― disdick (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 15 October 2008 17:38 (fifteen years ago) link
I mean, the NYT profile of Stone describes an early cut where Bush was flying over Baghdad on a carpet. I'm guessing that's the version ppl here were panting to see.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Wasn't sure Armond would maintain his Stonelove, but he does:
http://nypress.com/21/42/film/ArmondWhite.cfm
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 20:16 (fifteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:36 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i 100% agree
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link
this is actually a much more chilled-out movie than you might expect. it also assumes you've made up your mind about the significance of the bush presidency and all he's been responsible for in favour of a smaller, character piece.
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link
W. is the best example of American filmmaking courage since Munich.
ahahahahahah
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 20:45 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm a bit disappointed that it ends before the second term.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 20:47 (fifteen years ago) link
I haven't the filmmaking courage to open the Armond review.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link
That is the stupidest Armond White review yet.
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 21:53 (fifteen years ago) link
complaining about the public being unfair to Bush is pretty weird. Aesthetically, I don't have any problem with vilifying evil people. Armond seems to take issue with it for being "too easy" or something.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 21:56 (fifteen years ago) link
(and thus commends Stone for not taking the "easy" way out and attempting to make a more "balanced" portrait)
Think of how much more courageous Munich would have been if Eric Bana had stepped on a corn cob.
― Alex in SF, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 21:59 (fifteen years ago) link
lolz
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 15 October 2008 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link
anyone who isn't excited by this song in the trailer is a damn fool is all im sayin, guys.
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 16 October 2008 00:58 (fifteen years ago) link
<3
― latebloomer, Thursday, 16 October 2008 04:25 (fifteen years ago) link
seein this tonight!
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 17 October 2008 16:23 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, and not really sure why I am so excited about it. i mean, i haven't even seen a trailer
― Dominique, Friday, 17 October 2008 22:57 (fifteen years ago) link
thoroughly enjoyed this.
― latebloomer, Friday, 17 October 2008 23:16 (fifteen years ago) link
i've never been much of a stone fan but i liked it a lot. wonderful performances throughout — james cromwell especially — and surprisingly moving.
the only downer for me was that stone skipped the entire period between 1999 and 2002. leaving florida and 9/11 out of the bush story just seems wrong.
― J.D., Saturday, 18 October 2008 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link
there is indeed a "go fuck yourself" but it went by so fast i couldn't tell whether it was from powell or cheney.
― J.D., Saturday, 18 October 2008 18:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Powell
― en i see kay, Saturday, 18 October 2008 19:00 (fifteen years ago) link
what a chore of a movie
― al gore rhythm nation (m bison), Sunday, 19 October 2008 05:47 (fifteen years ago) link
long as fuck, not really gripping in any places
― jordan s (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 19 October 2008 05:52 (fifteen years ago) link
made me want a sandwich really bad though
― jordan s (J0rdan S.), Sunday, 19 October 2008 05:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Cheney says something about Iraq "fucking with us."
― jaymc, Sunday, 19 October 2008 05:54 (fifteen years ago) link
One historical inaccuracy I noticed: In a scene that was supposed to be set in 1990, W. complains to Bush Sr. that Bud Selig jerked him around about becoming baseball commissioner before deciding to take the position permanently himself. In 1990 the commissioner of baseball was Fay Vincent; Selig didn't replace him until two years later (as "acting commissioner") and did not become permanent until 1998.
― jaymc, Sunday, 19 October 2008 15:42 (fifteen years ago) link
congrats you have found the plot hole!
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Sunday, 19 October 2008 18:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Hoberman asks, who cares?
Hoberman also shows his inattention to detail by saying W choked on a potato chip. The pretzel makers of America are now furious at him.
― Aimless, Sunday, 19 October 2008 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link
this was great. Thandie Newton's Condi was constant roflz
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 October 2008 17:27 (fifteen years ago) link
i really hated Thandie Newton's Rice. either Stone had her just play her as broadly as possible or Newton's not capable of anything better.
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 October 2008 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Shakey Armond Collier!
Does she get to say "I beleeeeve the name of the report was..."
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 20 October 2008 17:29 (fifteen years ago) link
couple minor things:
1) Armond's wrong about the corncob shot, its Dubya's host who steps on it, not Dubya. (Why this shot is in there at all is kinda inexplicable).2) The exclusion of 9/11 is interesting. Partly because its absence directly implies that 9/11 had nothing to do with Dubya's motivations in office, and partly because maybe Stone didn't want to retread that ground...?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 October 2008 17:30 (fifteen years ago) link
the Powell/Cheney exchange ref'd above is Cheney disappointedly telling Powell "you could've been president!" and Powell responds "fuck you."
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 October 2008 17:31 (fifteen years ago) link
remembering oliver stone's crazy conspiracy theorizing upon the occasion of 9/11, as reported in the new yorker, maybe he thinks it's safest to stay the fuck away from it.
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 October 2008 17:31 (fifteen years ago) link
it would've meant filming Nicholas Cage's firefighter embracing Josh Brolin on WTC wreckage.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 20 October 2008 17:31 (fifteen years ago) link
i thought it was laura who stepped on the corncob! i figured it was just a 'wacky' way of introducing her.
― J.D., Monday, 20 October 2008 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link
is "stepping on the corncob" a frottage reference?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 20 October 2008 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link
this movie has no plot
― 888 (ice crӕm), Monday, 20 October 2008 22:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Welcome to the last eight years.
― Alex in SF, Monday, 20 October 2008 22:13 (fifteen years ago) link
lol thats what it shouldve been called - i kept trying to imagine how baffling the movie wouldve been if youd never heard of george w bush
― 888 (ice crӕm), Monday, 20 October 2008 22:15 (fifteen years ago) link
i was SHOCKED at how bad jeffrey wrights powell was - dude is usually so sweet
― 888 (ice crӕm), Monday, 20 October 2008 22:16 (fifteen years ago) link
The real Powell did kill some people, you know.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 20 October 2008 22:17 (fifteen years ago) link
:(
― goole, Monday, 20 October 2008 22:18 (fifteen years ago) link
? What was wrong with the Powell performance?
Saying it has no plot is OTM though. The story is taken for granted and is framed as a light-handed, dual flashback series of vignettes. All the scenes are really short. here's no dramatic arc, no climax. I laughed my ass off though.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 October 2008 22:19 (fifteen years ago) link
it was just that he didnt sound or act at all like colin powell
― 888 (ice crӕm), Monday, 20 October 2008 22:20 (fifteen years ago) link
i thought it was laura who stepped on the corncob!
I don't think so - the shot immediately prior is of the hostess collaring George and walking through the backyard, then it cuts to a woman's sandal crushing the corncob, then back up to George seeing Laura.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 October 2008 22:20 (fifteen years ago) link
I also enjoyed the preponderance of scenes involving people eating.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 October 2008 22:21 (fifteen years ago) link
After watching Taxi to the Dark Side this weekend, I think it'll be a while before I can laugh at this presidency.
― Alex in SF, Monday, 20 October 2008 22:21 (fifteen years ago) link
brolins bush is pretty hilarious
― 888 (ice crӕm), Monday, 20 October 2008 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link
watching the cabinet meetings about the war is pretty harrowing.
― horseshoe, Monday, 20 October 2008 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link
brolin was great
totally left out the passive aggressive dick aspect of his persona tho
I guess I have an outsized capacity for black humor then cuz when Cheney whipped out his Middle East Empire powerpoint presentation I was lolling hardcore
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 October 2008 22:24 (fifteen years ago) link
i was AMAZED at the size of josh brolins head
― 888 (ice crӕm), Monday, 20 October 2008 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link
favorite moment: Dubya patting his dad on the shoulder saying "good President, good President" like you would to a dog after Poppy loses re-election
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 October 2008 22:29 (fifteen years ago) link
also earlier advising him to not think too much cause it just screws you up
― 888 (ice crӕm), Monday, 20 October 2008 22:30 (fifteen years ago) link
I admit I was a little disappointed that Stone didn't go all the way with the Dubya-sees-God moment when he collapses during the jog. But it woulda been a little too comedic/over-the-top to have some silly Charlton Heston figure coming out of the clouds, I guess....
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 October 2008 22:36 (fifteen years ago) link
i went with a group of about six last night who were split down the middle w/r/t its merits. very much flawed - the Rice character & a couple of others were like mediocre SNL parodies. of course the daddy issues were beat to death. a lot of Bush's public verbal gaffes and infamous malaprops were clumsily reprised in the film's staff meetings - which themselves were equal parts lols & ;_;... but yeah the plot, as it were, was kind of threadbare.
Even so, i was definitely in the camp that ultimately enjoyed it. Dreyfus & Cromwell were great, as was whoever played Rumsfeld's daft ass. And I gotta say Brolin did a pretty surefooted job of evoking Dubya. Better than Travolta's "clinton" in Primary Colors, imho. one thing everyone agreed on is that it was just really, really sad. Too soon?
wo many xposts
― flyover statesman (will), Monday, 20 October 2008 22:39 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah Wright's Powell was kind of weak.
― flyover statesman (will), Monday, 20 October 2008 22:41 (fifteen years ago) link
I loved how all Rummy's lines were impenetrable pseudo-philosophical gibberish
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 October 2008 22:44 (fifteen years ago) link
and yeah for all the laughs it was pretty sad. ending shot was fantastic.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 20 October 2008 22:45 (fifteen years ago) link
as was whoever played Rumsfeld's daft ass
The great Scott Glenn.
― jaymc, Monday, 20 October 2008 22:52 (fifteen years ago) link
How was Karl Rove?
― caek, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 01:07 (fifteen years ago) link
weirdly small, but good.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 01:08 (fifteen years ago) link
isn't it the dude from the non-phillip seymour hoffman Capote movie?
― velko, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 01:55 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 02:00 (fifteen years ago) link
i liked wright! i thought the scene where he's argued into supporting the war was great. and fuck you dick
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 02:46 (fifteen years ago) link
every scene involving sports in this was so fucked up
― jordan s (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 03:00 (fifteen years ago) link
- george bush choked on a pretzel while watching a dolphins/ravens playoff game on a sunday night, not on a saturday during a college game- at the end of the movie when gwb supposedly swells with pride as the UT baseball team scores a run (we know this because the announcer says this) they are showing the univ of miami scoring (ryan bruan, in fact) on UT- sammy sosa was still on the rangers in 1990, also bush wouldn't have regretted trading him until he broke out in 98
― jordan s (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 03:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Why does Oliver Stone think Karl Rove is a gay, with all that flamboyant "fabulous" interjecting?
The way-not-drawn-to-scale map of teh world with a gigantic Iran dwarfing the rest of Asia that Cheney pulls down in the power-point was major lols, and Brolin was fine, but ultimately this movie was a hollow, forgettable dud. I'm glad the chihuahua beat it this wkend
― Vichitravirya_XI, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 04:05 (fifteen years ago) link
sammy sosa was still on the rangers in 1990
No, he was on the White Sox, but you're right about the last part. The Sox traded him to the Cubs a year later for George Bell.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 04:30 (fifteen years ago) link
what? i don't think the movie was trying to portray him as gay at all.
― I'm glad the chihuahua beat it this wkend (latebloomer), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 07:56 (fifteen years ago) link
i also lol'd at the Fox News caricatures jizzing all over themselves during the Mission Accomplished circus.
― flyover statesman (will), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 12:59 (fifteen years ago) link
tho i hesitate to call them caricatures, as there was very little exaggeration going on.
― flyover statesman (will), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 13:01 (fifteen years ago) link
haha ya. "women are LOVING him"
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:04 (fifteen years ago) link
"could you imagine a Democrat doing that?! Of course not!"
― flyover statesman (will), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:11 (fifteen years ago) link
The woman who plays Ann Coulter was brutally attacked in her home Monday morning.
― ☑ (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:12 (fifteen years ago) link
UH
― the valves of houston (gbx), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:12 (fifteen years ago) link
That was a pretty debbiedowner thing for me to do. Sorry. It's just all over the news here since she's a local anchorwoman.
― ☑ (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:27 (fifteen years ago) link
damn. what was her name?
― flyover statesman (will), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:30 (fifteen years ago) link
US TV anchorwoman Anne Pressly found badly beaten at homehttp://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h3sRmbkYztmZI0Nrt0KBPjomlK1AD93UQVQ02
― ☑ (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 14:36 (fifteen years ago) link
SHE'S NOT PLAYING ANN COULTER.
sorry to shout but if i was this poor woman i'd shoot myself on top of being stabbed -- she is given a completely different name in the film, she is rather explicitly meant to be generic media bimbo, looks nothing like ann coulter, and if she was supposed to be ann coulter i'm pretty sure stone would've had the cajones to CALL her ann coulter considering that everyone else in the goddamned movie was a real person.
everyone and their brother in the media is referring to her as "arkansas's ann coulter" or having played ann coulter in the film -- it isn't true. quite frankly the 30 seconds we get with the character she did play bore no resemblance whatsoever to ms coulter besides a) having a vagina b) being blonde.
END OF RANT.
― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 16:38 (fifteen years ago) link
if only everyone watched this film as closely as jordan did.
Have we verified that Ann Coulter has a vagina?
― Pipe Wrench Fight (HI DERE), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 16:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Wait who stepped on the corn cob again?
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 16:40 (fifteen years ago) link
I haven't seen the movie personally, but I had been told she played Ann Coulter.
― ☑ (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 16:43 (fifteen years ago) link
I can't imagine Stone would want to get Coulter moist (or whatever chemical consequences are precipitated by her ego-ecstasy) by dramatizing her on the silver screen.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 16:50 (fifteen years ago) link
her adam's apple starts to throb
― flyover statesman (will), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 16:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Was it done like the "Jack Rose" character in Any Given Sunday?
― ☑ (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Scott McClellan on W.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:04 (fifteen years ago) link
I am half-joking, okay, but gee..why couldn't the real Ann Coulter be attacked? Is it because her robotic components would blow a fuze and explode
Oliver Stone hasn't made a profitable film at the BO since Born on the 4th of July. That's 19 years folks...when will it end
― Vichitravirya_XI, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link
JFK, NBK, and Any Given Sunday all made money.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link
surely others did as well
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:26 (fifteen years ago) link
From that McClellan article:
" The most unflattering portrayal was that of Condi Rice, caricatured by Thandie Newton as a mere yes–woman, which is excessively denigrating but not entirely without basis."
Ouch!
― Vichitravirya_XI, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:29 (fifteen years ago) link
World Trade Center made $162 million.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:32 (fifteen years ago) link
[I should have said "v profitable" I sppose since I was referencing this: " Of the dozen films Stone has made over the last 20 years, only the earliest—Platoon, Wall Street, and Born on the Fourth of July—were huge hits in the United States" -> http://www.portfolio.com/culture-lifestyle/culture-inc/arts/2008/10/16/W-the-Movie?PMID=alsoin/Bankrolling-W. He's had a terrible track record for almost 15 years now, but is in that minute group of directors that can keep getting their projects financed - by forgiving foreigners]
― Vichitravirya_XI, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:33 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost Yeah but think of the cost in human life.
― Alex in SF, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:33 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, just on a personal acct basis, he's a monstrous human being even by Hollywood standards - so it's hard for me to not cringe at his repeated opportunities for failure more so than those other directors
― Vichitravirya_XI, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link
the foreigners are forgiving because his movies make money.
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:39 (fifteen years ago) link
maybe his next topic can be The War on Drugs starring himself, and he'll never finish it
― Vichitravirya_XI, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:41 (fifteen years ago) link
"monstrous"? why should I care what kind of a person he is? All his investors care about is whether the dough rolls in - doesn't matter if its dollars, pounds, sheckels, or yen
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link
like lolz did you here Eric Von Stroheim was a sadist? Woody Allen married his daughter! Billy Wilder was a jerk! etc
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:45 (fifteen years ago) link
the best scene she's in is when the they've all descended upon the ranch pre-strike and he's leading them down a dirt road, getting updates, handing out directives, etc. she's sort of jockeying for position, trying to walk right next to him as Rove, Cheney et al struggle to keep pace (or are just bored/ put out) with W.
and then he realizes he's misjudged their location. pretty funny.
― flyover statesman (will), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:46 (fifteen years ago) link
x-post not over here. When his heavily promoted thing abt a super unpopular president opens 4th after a dog movie that's been around for 3 weeks and gets mixed-to-negative reviews, that's sad -
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/
W.'s on-target debut (SUCH LOW EXPECTATIONS -> $10m) still doesn't mean the movie will recoup its $30M mil budget , plus $25M marketing costs that included a surprisingly aggressive TV ad campaign emphasizing the script's humor. True, Hollywood never bets the farm on political fiction pics because they usually don't attract crowds. Small budget Wag The Dog and Bullworth receved a lot of attention but not a lot of business. Studio pic Primary Colors disappointed. Stone's own JFK was wildly successful, but his Nixon underperformed. Of course, none of these pics were biopics about a sitting U.S. president. It also served the pic well that Lionsgate had experience with this kind of controversial film: it released Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 which went on to open with a $24M weekend from just 868 theaters, and an eventual worldwide total of $222M. W. won't be in that league.
― Vichitravirya_XI, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:48 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't really get what your point is. A lot of his movies make money. This one may not. So what?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:52 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm not saying his investors care how he is personally - and perhaps YOU don't care but yes other ppl who work in the biz, or have to encounter him, clearly do: his reputation is legendary and more than a few wish him the schadenfreude that is only reserved for the most heinous characters (Shyamalan, Bay, Weinstein, etc)
― Vichitravirya_XI, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:53 (fifteen years ago) link
seems like a nice guy imo
― omar little, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Shyamalan, Bay,
the difference is these guys make terrible movies, without exception. Weinstein's just an exec so I don't care about him one way or the other
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link
and again, he's a jerk = so what?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link
so your point is that he is a hollywood director who is disliked by a lot of people. why do you care
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link
xp
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:56 (fifteen years ago) link
people give jerks money all the time. particularly if they tend to MAKE money.
x-post
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Bay makes spectacles, not movies; I think more people would enjoy his work if they came to grips with that.
Shyamalan made several good movies before disappearing far up his own ass.
― Pipe Wrench Fight (HI DERE), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:56 (fifteen years ago) link
*cue glasses pic*
I've hated all Shamalamadingdong's movies but obviously opinions vary. I've only seen a couple of Bay's "spectacles" and did not enjoy either of them.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:57 (fifteen years ago) link
I really liked "Signs" and "The Sixth Sense" and I think "Bad Boys II" is one of the most entertaining things I've ever watched.
― Pipe Wrench Fight (HI DERE), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:59 (fifteen years ago) link
My point is just to express frustration that he'll continue to get funded, that's all. I haven't seen anything of his I didn't regret since JFK, probably - but I didn't even bother with Any Given Sunday
>why do you care
Whoa..why am I not allowed to make a point here without being barraged by this...do I really need to tell you the personal 1st and 2nd hand accts of why Oliver Stone is a douchebag (which go back to a Any Given Sunday screening in 2000 for me, actually) without just expressing that I think he sucks?
― Vichitravirya_XI, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:59 (fifteen years ago) link
the rock was pretty dope. the rest of bay's stuff sucks big-time. i have heard ok things about the island though.
― omar little, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Shamalamadingdong
^^^^this needs to stop
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 18:59 (fifteen years ago) link
(let's just say it has to do with his treatment of women and end it at that. oh and also underlings he works with. and abusive behavior. thanks)
― Vichitravirya_XI, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:00 (fifteen years ago) link
spill!
― goole, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:01 (fifteen years ago) link
when will it end
― Buffcoat and Beaver or Beaver and something else (jeff), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:03 (fifteen years ago) link
I liked "The Island" a ton, too. And yeah, "The Rock" for life.
― Pipe Wrench Fight (HI DERE), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:04 (fifteen years ago) link
― horseshoe, Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:59 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
shakey mo on some "barack obamamamamamamama" shit
― and what, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link
You Would Like To Be The Next M. Night Shamalamadingdong, But Your Blues Aren't Blue Enough And Sarah Michelle Won't Return Your Calls. Quick! What Nursery Rhyme Will You Use In Your Next Highly Deri
― ☑ (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link
why am I not allowed to make a point here without being barraged by this...do I really need to tell you the personal 1st and 2nd hand accts of why Oliver Stone is a douchebag (which go back to a Any Given Sunday screening in 2000 for me, actually) without just expressing that I think he sucks?
you're allowed to make whatever point you want but not being able to separate an artist from his work seems like a bit of a stumbling block when it comes to properly evaluating film/music/art/whatever.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:12 (fifteen years ago) link
I mean Phil Spector's a wifebeater and a murderer, does that make "Be My Baby" a bad song?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:13 (fifteen years ago) link
phil spectordectorshmector
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:14 (fifteen years ago) link
When you say "this needs to stop," do you mean corrupting his onerously pronounced name, or just him as a person...he just needs to STOP and spare us all? Because that's near-unanimous now
speaking of treatment of women, why was only Condi Rice the ridic. character in the cabinet, almost thrown in there for comic relief ? It became so atonal - and didn't really add anything except random lols
I think Elizabeth Banks did the best she had to work with
x-post I think Stone is despicable enough on a personal level, and he puts so much of him in his films (admirable at times) anyway, that it's harder for me to make the separation. But I still somewhat admire JFK (or rather, its editing)
― Vichitravirya_XI, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link
shakey mo wanted to rape rachel ray, does that make "lol moar liek m night shamalamadingdong amirite" a bad post? wait, don't answer that
― and what, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:16 (fifteen years ago) link
keep it up ethan
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:16 (fifteen years ago) link
fightin the good fight
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:17 (fifteen years ago) link
i bet rachel ray would put up a good fight, amirite
― and what, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:17 (fifteen years ago) link
ethan
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Shakey can't you just chill and leave it at why I may hate Oliver Stone for reasons you don't know, and that I am AWARE that that affects my discussion of his work, rather than bringing innocent, wonderful "Be My Baby" into this? Let's just go back to talking about the movie
― Vichitravirya_XI, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link
ethananamadingdong
― and what, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link
when i said "this needs to stop" i meant unfunny jokes about how INSANE shyamalan's name is. making fun of his movies seems pretty obligatory.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,770 for "m night shamalamadingdong". (0.21 seconds)
― and what, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link
SEE THIS HACKERY NEEDS TO BE STOPPED. GAH!
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link
is everyone just really hungry or something
― cool app (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:21 (fifteen years ago) link
no, "shamalamadingdong" always makes me twitch.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:22 (fifteen years ago) link
Results 1 - 10 of about 458,000 for "this needs to stop". (0.25 seconds)
― Buffcoat and Beaver or Beaver and something else (jeff), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:22 (fifteen years ago) link
it's not going to stop til you wise up
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link
fair enough
speaking of treatment of women, why was only Condi Rice the ridic. character in the cabinet, almost thrown in there for comic relief ?
um, everybody in the cabinet was pretty ridiculous/comic relief. I noted above that every single Rummy line was incoherent pseudo-philosophical babble. "Turdblossom" was totally obsequious, Cheney villainish, etc.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link
everyone in the cabinet was kind of a caricature, but also kind of human, except for Rice. i also thought Laura Bush was insufficiently characterized, but what are you going to do?
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link
is J. Edgar Hoover in this?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:25 (fifteen years ago) link
everyone in the cabinet was kind of a caricature, but also kind of human, except for Rice.
really? how were Rumsfeld and Ari Fleisher "humanized"?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah, he plays barbara bush
― and what, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link
yes he plays jenna bush
lol xp
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link
i guess i think the performances were more than caricatures. all thandie newton did was mug. dreyfuss mugged + was believable as a person. an awful, disgusting person, but still.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:27 (fifteen years ago) link
with laura bush i just didn't really get why she liked him. maybe she felt sorry for him?
Mugging isn't always a pejorative.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:28 (fifteen years ago) link
okay, but i thought thandie newton sucked.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Lots of great performances in Stone movies consist of lots of mugging.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:29 (fifteen years ago) link
i'm not saying condoleeza rice has not been a yes-man for this administration; i just would have liked more from the movie than easy laughs at her face + voice.
best example is Tommy Lee Jones playing the warden as Daffy Duck in NBK (tho "great" might be going a little far)
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:35 (fifteen years ago) link
NBK is the last Stone movie I saw, I think.
― Pipe Wrench Fight (HI DERE), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:35 (fifteen years ago) link
or basically anyone in JFK!
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:36 (fifteen years ago) link
dreyfus + brolin both gave great performances that consisted of a lot of mugging; i know what you guys mean. newton sucked.
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:37 (fifteen years ago) link
nohn bitzgerald kennedy
― and what, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Joe Pesci in JFK = great performance that's completely absurd.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:38 (fifteen years ago) link
JFK is definitely the single most entertaining Stone flick
― I'm glad the chihuahua beat it this wkend (latebloomer), Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link
i called this movie a long time ago:
Atta was in my Illuminati group. I taught him everything. He was a wannabe. No one liked him. Thought he was a snitch. But I treated him good. He wanted his kid to grow up with a chance. My neck is killing me. I've had cancer for years. Been working with mice to find a cure. You don't leave the neocons. Once you're in, they got you for life. Chertoff's an untouchable. Highest clearance. Chertoff, Atta, Al Qaeda, all Agency. Cheney was there from the start. Set up Texas Al Qaeda. Ran guns to Saddam when he was on our side. Saddam was almost with us till we tried to whack him. Everybody keeps flipping sides. It's fun and games, man! The neocons and Al Qaeda worked together for years trying to take down those towers. There's more to this than you could dream! Check out something called "Operation Liberty Tower." Big time project. They're in charge. But who pulls whose chain? Who knows? "Oh, what a deadly web we weave when we practice to deceive." Who took down the towers?? Why didn't you fucking stop it? Shit! This is too big for you, you know that? Who did the towers?? Fuck! It's a mystery! It's a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma! The hijackers don't even know! Don't you get it? Fuck, man! I can't keep talking like this!
-- gear (gear), Saturday, September 16, 2006 5:42 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― omar little, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link
we've really needed you here.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 21 October 2008 20:03 (fifteen years ago) link
This was a fairly banal and gratuitous film; all I really learned is that W drinks Dr Pepper and O'Doul's. Someone shd do a good remix of the pretzel seen tho.
Thandie got big yuks on the UWS with her Condi lampoon, but she was in a different movie.
It was odd that one of the few scenes where we got the Old Oliver Stone was the big Cheney explains the Persian Gulf meeting, cuz it was more like Dreyfuss was playing a Bond villain. (but Dick was right -- we ain't *leaving*, and this means O)
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 7 November 2008 14:42 (fifteen years ago) link
i came out of this movie ready to punch someone
― a country packed with ponies (sunny successor), Friday, 7 November 2008 14:54 (fifteen years ago) link
rather ambiguously stated
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 7 November 2008 14:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Thandie... was in a different movie
^^otm
― flyover statesman (will), Friday, 7 November 2008 15:07 (fifteen years ago) link
the real Condi looked and sounded Newton-esque during her post-election press conference.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 7 November 2008 15:09 (fifteen years ago) link
I think I would've preferred the movie Thandie was in.
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 7 November 2008 15:12 (fifteen years ago) link
This was a bunch of bullshit.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 23:39 (fifteen years ago) link
yeah this was really terrible
― let free dom ring (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 23:40 (fifteen years ago) link
eh. I lolled
― Kitchen Paper Towel (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 23:43 (fifteen years ago) link
I laughed through JFK and still do. This was even as funny as a "Saturday Night Live" sketch. Poor Richard Dreyfuss -- he thought he was playing Donald Sutherland.
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 June 2009 23:47 (fifteen years ago) link
no, DR NO
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 03:17 (fifteen years ago) link
*wasn't even as funny, I meant
― Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 03:17 (fifteen years ago) link
It really felt like a made for TV movie. I'm not sure how much of that is related to the fact these scenes and issues are so current, though.
― giving a shit when it isn't your turn to give a shit (sarahel), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 23:57 (fifteen years ago) link
Great thread. Kermit the Frog's "Once in a Lifetime" completes some kind of life circle.
I think this is Oliver Stone's best film. It's his first since Salvador where I feel like there's something genuinely at stake in the drama of the lead performance, and it's odd how Hoberman didn't see Brolin's Bush as sympathetic, because this is the only Stone film that's really about a character. The key scene, edited for comedy in the previews but not funny, is Bush not being able to answer a question at a press conference about what he would do differently if given the chance. The entire movie is about why he can't think that way, what would lead him to not be able to think that way.
Seeing this and then reading that article in Harper's about conservative evangelicals in the military was sobering. Hoberman seems to miss how much certain kinds of faith can enable shortcuts past thought, including too much reflection about one's own corruption, and how corruption and zealous idealism can intertwine, and enhance each other.
I do think the performance has less charm than the real Bush, but Laura's love seems based on both sensing vulnerability and rooting for that unwavering, confident side. Maybe the sports inaccuracies (the most easily checkable of facts!) are added as a layer of "hey it's just a movie" faerie dust, in the way that nobody seemed to mind JFK's monumental slander of Lydon Johnson because it was such a fool paranoid worldview clogged with inaccuracies anyway. But W. says something true about Bush amid make-believe, and Cheney's ultimate-strategy speech is a great moment--and you can imagine something like that probably happened.
I even like the Condi performance--she looks like she's constantly struggling with the intelligence gap between her and her president, and her own short-cutting of reflections about corruption. You can see a continuum of irresponsibility from this through Generation Kill, Ugly American certitude down the food chain, that's probably something like the real-life latticework of U.S. power.
― Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 11 June 2009 20:35 (fifteen years ago) link
because this is the only Stone film that's really about a character.
this is an interesting point, probably true (except for the Doors, maybe?)
― Kitchen Paper Towel (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 11 June 2009 21:01 (fifteen years ago) link
ya i thought this was fucking awful, didn't even get past the 1st hour tbh, and it stopped getting any lols after first half hour. i think that's when i started to realize that, 'wow, this is actually a full length feature?" it totally felt like a made for tv movie.
― mark cl, Friday, 12 June 2009 04:11 (fifteen years ago) link
trailers were GREAT tho, many lols
should've just stuck to those
tbf i really like josh brolin tho and he did an okay job
i didn't like it, but it's not awful.
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 12 June 2009 04:29 (fifteen years ago) link
I was tempted to watch this to complete my "Brolin in Texas" trilogy after seeing Planet Terror and No Country for Old Men.
― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 12 June 2009 04:46 (fifteen years ago) link
See I saw it as part of a "Brolin-as-creepy-bad-guy" trilogy with American Gangster and Milk.
― giving a shit when it isn't your turn to give a shit (sarahel), Friday, 12 June 2009 08:36 (fifteen years ago) link
"Oliver Stone ran into Bill Clinton in China. Clinton told Oliver that he had loaned Bush his DVD copy of 'W.' He said W liked it very much. He said W thought there were sad moments."
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/14/t-magazine/02well-cover.html
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:40 (fourteen years ago) link
G.W. Bush was a totally lovable dude in this movie. It made me see why people voted for him.
― How to Make an American Quit (Abbott), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:44 (fourteen years ago) link
wtf at Jonah Hex movie
― Get the Flaps Out (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link
also WTF had no idea he was in RKL that's bizarre
― Get the Flaps Out (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 16 March 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link
I assume this is in the Josh Brolin interview and that RKL is a film
― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 02:25 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfrngGUr_j8
― "I get through more mojitos.." (bear, bear, bear), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 02:55 (fourteen years ago) link
RKL = Rich Kids on LSD. they were a band.
― Get the Flaps Out (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 15:39 (fourteen years ago) link
god do people even remember this movie? brolin is a big star, and i feel like no one even remembers that he played the sitting president of the united states in an oliver stone film.
― Noblesse J. Blige (jaymc), Friday, 6 December 2013 05:32 (ten years ago) link
he's not really that big of a star; viz. oldboy
this movie was completely forgettable is the issue. toothless and forgettable
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 6 December 2013 05:37 (ten years ago) link
Case in point. I'd completely forgotten about it until the thread was bumped.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 6 December 2013 05:38 (ten years ago) link
there was one good part of this movie
it was when bush and advisors are debating something in the oval office. suddenly a grumpy voice mutters something and stone either cuts away or pans over and it's revealed that cheney was there all along, standing against the wall
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 6 December 2013 05:42 (ten years ago) link
haha wasn't it, like, richard dreyfuss, too?
― Noblesse J. Blige (jaymc), Friday, 6 December 2013 05:46 (ten years ago) link
yup, he's grimacing and kind of hunched over
stone should have made a biopic of that dude
"loving husband, trusting parent, the greatest threat to the ideals he purports to believe in"
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Friday, 6 December 2013 05:52 (ten years ago) link
― nickalicious, Thursday, March 27, 2008
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 December 2013 12:03 (ten years ago) link
should have been more scenes anticipating post-presidency visual art techniques/aesthetics
― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 6 December 2013 12:14 (ten years ago) link
should have had george senior discussing being a sock man and saying "bieb"
― Legitimate space tale (LocalGarda), Friday, 6 December 2013 12:16 (ten years ago) link
bump
― mattresslessness, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
this one was pretty good
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:10 (nine years ago) link
it was innnnnnteresting but 'good' is a bump too far
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:10 (nine years ago) link
could've used more laughs but it was oddly sympathetic. well, as sympathetic as you could be to a congenital idiot with daddy issues that ruined the country.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:12 (nine years ago) link
i think at the time it came out it felt kind of weird and jolting to see a sympathetic take on GWB. dunno if it's 'good' or worth a revisit but it kinda stayed with me more than i expected.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:15 (nine years ago) link
I thought this was v good - unusually restrained for Stone, and it felt small in scope almost to the point of claustrophobia, it's primarily concerned with this weird hermetically sealed environment that Dubya exists in and in that sense it was very good at teasing out his motivations and internal conflicts even when he (submoron that he is) was totally oblivious to them.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:18 (nine years ago) link
has anyone watched stone's 'untold history' miniseries from a year or so ago?
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 23 July 2014 19:27 (nine years ago) link
yeah they're the fuckin bomb. Episode 6 about the Cuban Missile Crisis was incredible. they're edited at a ridiculous pace for TV documentaries though, that would be my one small gripe.
― piscesx, Thursday, 24 July 2014 06:44 (nine years ago) link
I liked W. I do wish there were more scenes of bush and his cabinet wandering through wilderness. Love love love the visual portrayal of Rove, he looks like a fucking Dilbert character or something.
― brimstead, Thursday, 24 July 2014 07:00 (nine years ago) link
it's primarily concerned with this weird hermetically sealed environment that Dubya exists in and in that sense it was very good at teasing out his motivations and internal conflicts
Yeah, otm.
― brimstead, Thursday, 24 July 2014 07:02 (nine years ago) link
gimme a fucking break this was fucking terrible, like a fucking 2 hour unfunny SNL skit
― marcos, Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:40 (nine years ago) link
i also think it's an insanely difficult and probably futile task to sucessfully portray public figures who have the level of visibility of bush, et al. while they are still in office running the country. just ends looking like bad impressions and bad makeup regardless of how good the acting is
― marcos, Thursday, 24 July 2014 14:43 (nine years ago) link
I watched this again because of this thread--third or fourth time. I don't like it that much, but for the same reasons other people level at Nixon, which I do. The only performances that work for me are Posey, Cromwell, and Dreyfuss; everybody else seems grotesque, especially Brolin and Newton.
― clemenza, Thursday, 24 July 2014 17:46 (nine years ago) link
brolin is on letterman right now and is pretty hilarious. he's kind of awesomely handsome right now; getting a bit of a ronald colman vibe from him these days.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/Ronald_Colman_-_publicity.jpg
― I dunno. (amateurist), Saturday, 20 December 2014 05:21 (nine years ago) link
he plays hard-bitten working-class characters so often (maybe because of his weathered face and physique?) but his own speaking voice and cadences have a faintly dandyish quality.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Saturday, 20 December 2014 05:23 (nine years ago) link
no love for josh brolin hm
― I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 29 December 2014 22:18 (nine years ago) link
i'm a brolin fan. he's always had some great presence, i think i first noticed it for real when he owned russell crowe and denzel washington in their shared 'american gangster' scenes.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Monday, 29 December 2014 22:25 (nine years ago) link
i hope he's dealt with his alcohol problem. that made me sad.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 29 December 2014 22:28 (nine years ago) link
lookin sharp
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/13/1415839588362_Image_galleryImage_Picture_Shows_Josh_Brolin.JPG
― I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 29 December 2014 22:29 (nine years ago) link
Terrific in Inherent Vice.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 December 2014 22:35 (nine years ago) link
big ups to brolin, lol.
has anyone seen W since 2008? i feel like it would be really weird to see again.
― Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Saturday, 27 August 2016 06:04 (seven years ago) link
Everyone was so mad about Bush back then, hard to remember what the big deal was
― Sean, let me be clear (silby), Saturday, 27 August 2016 06:07 (seven years ago) link
wasn't a Democrat
― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 27 August 2016 06:08 (seven years ago) link
hard to remember what the big deal was
O rly? Go back and take another look at the Iraq War, at waterboarding & Abu Ghraib & 'dark sites', and at the financial crisis that almost brought down the world. Even before 9/11, go back and look at his inheriting a budget surplus and promptly turning it into a huge deficit via tax cuts for the wealthiest 1%. That fucker ruined whatever he touched.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 27 August 2016 16:25 (seven years ago) link
he doesn't deserve mere ironic dismissal into the memory hole. our red-hot contempt should never be allowed to fade away.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 27 August 2016 16:31 (seven years ago) link
this is an insane thing to say.
this was on netflix last summer so i watched it for the first time since seeing it in the theater. it seemed...oddly slight. considering the characters, the stakes, the fact that it was a dude tackling a sitting president, etc. i am not an oliver stone hater -- thought at his best i think he only rises to the level of enjoyable batshit melodrama -- but it lacked even the a-cokehead-reads-the-nation intensity that gives his crappy work some verve.
― a basset hound (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 27 August 2016 17:04 (seven years ago) link
many xps
2008 feels like yesterday. At first I thought silby meant what was the big deal about the movie. Bush years cast a long shadow. Feels like we're still in them. The movie is slight bc it was rushed: principal photography started in May 2008 (!!)
― flappy bird, Saturday, 27 August 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link
doesn't feel like yesterday to me - sometimes I remember that Dubya was President for two terms and it feels vaguely unreal
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 27 August 2016 17:47 (seven years ago) link
in part because even with Obama's massive flaws, it feels like we've made real strides on important things (gay marriage, abortion rights isn't purely on the defensive, people actually talk and care about police brutality/personal rights/privacy, etc.) vs the nadir of the Bush years that felt like the end of anything positive happening
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Saturday, 27 August 2016 17:50 (seven years ago) link
also because he nominated Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, how the fuck did that ever make it past more than a couple of interns spitballing names
Harriet Miers looks like Virginia Woolf compared to Kellyanne Conway and Donald Trump.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 August 2016 17:58 (seven years ago) link
karl rove looks like he was drawn by garry treudeau or berkeley breathed
― brimstead, Saturday, 27 August 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link
(in this film)
This is Stone's last good film. Cast is great, scope is tightly focused.
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 27 August 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link
waiting for Brolin to play Rick Perry in a biopic
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 August 2016 18:37 (seven years ago) link
"thought at his best i think he only rises to the level of enjoyable batshit melodrama"
i swear i am not a chuck palahniuk fansite moderator when i say: natural born killers was something more than this. i have no idea if it was him at his best and it was certainly batshit, but that was some sort of cinematic something or other that was very memorable on the big screen.
i still feel like he doesn't get enough credit for the use of SOUND in that movie. and i never understood why more people didn't follow his lead. it was a true sensurround experience. i was totes impressed at the time.
kinda didn't need another 20+ year of IT'S THE MEDIA DO YOU SEE???? after that one. but what are ya gonna do?
― scott seward, Saturday, 27 August 2016 18:37 (seven years ago) link
(although part of me feels like he just saw wild at heart and said to himself: i can top that!)
― scott seward, Saturday, 27 August 2016 18:38 (seven years ago) link
nbk is definitely...an experience. it's like an american takashi miike movie.
also one of the few movies where i like the extended cut more. if only for the shot of tommy lee jones's head on a spike.
― a basset hound (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Saturday, 27 August 2016 18:44 (seven years ago) link
I like Stone in batshit epic mode, The Doors, JFK, NBK, Nixon. I've never seen W, but if it's like that, I'd definitely see it.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 27 August 2016 18:48 (seven years ago) link
and as far as 90's heads in duffel bags go, i think U Turn is kinda underrated.
― scott seward, Saturday, 27 August 2016 18:50 (seven years ago) link
plus, the cast of U Turn is just ridiculous. where is the behind the scenes footage of jon voight, billy bob, nick nolte, and sean penn hangin' with j-lo?
― scott seward, Saturday, 27 August 2016 18:52 (seven years ago) link