Dublin

i spent a month there in 1999 when i was 20. i liked the touristy shit! i took a bus across to galway and the cliffs and all that, too. Oirland!!

oh and i drank a lot.

uh so see the book of kells. and i dimly remember lots of literary type walking tours you can do, joyce, yeats, synge, etc. the guiness brewery tour was not really worth it, you don't even get to see the vats!

best parts- genuinely good city for culture and things to do. good night life, pub life.

worst parts- price of everything, the locals.

i'm a bit biased against the dubs, this is documented in other, older threads about ireland.

you posted a thread asking for advice a few months ago, didn't you? glad to hear you got somewhere ok.

yeah, i did post a thread, but it didn't show up in my search for some reason so i started a new one.
and i did end up living in awful overcrowded expensive student housing! don't mind so much, though.

So!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/apr/02/ireland

http://io9.com/5646181/dublins-long+lost-viking-sister-city-finally-rediscovered

Hurrah!

The Dublin C or D thread that was full of abuse was locked and deleted, which was fair enough, except for the bit at the end asking for real information...

How come I can still read it then? And how come it's appearing in SNA?

truth will out imo

dublin: top three*

01. Sundays in Phoenix Park
02. gigs at The Olympia
03. Trinity Ball

dublin: bottom three

01. Dublin Bus
02. ridiculously short days in the dead of winter
03. classic gigs at The Point rendered dud b/c of worst venue acoustics in showbiz

*honorable mention: McSorley's Pub in Ranelagh

McSorley's? Oh dear, I think not.

dublin top three

1. Porterhouse/Czech Inn conveniently across from each other
2. Bruxelles/McDaids conveniently across from each other
3. Dawson St

Porterhouse otm. The food's good too.

Porterhouse is quite good, but it seems to be always full and has a lot of lamer music on in it. I think basically that the one on Parliament Street is a bit too much for tourists (not that I have anything against tourists etc.).

Against the Grain is a pleasant spot - nice beer, nice food.

The Hop House on Parnell Street is great for Korean and (possibly) Japanese food.

porterhouse a touch for the yanks alright

Dublin Bus is decent now they have the real-time update thingy. Very handy

2. Bruxelles/McDaids conveniently across from each other

OTM

McSorley's? Oh dear, I think not.

― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, November 15, 2011 7:23 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark

For me, its classic status probably has much to do w/ the fact that it was a neighborhood spot & thus my primary craic house. See also: Slattery in Rathmines

One neat gimmick w/ McSorley's is that it doubles as museum of 19th Century pharmacy - appropriate for boozing!

Is Porterhouse a multi-level brewpub w/ a number of nookish taprooms, not far from Temple Bar iirc? If so, yeah that place is great!

porterhouse a touch for the yanks alright

It is basically an American-style microbrew outpost, but they elude novelty status by doing a very good job of it! (at least they did circa-2001)

that's the place

Porterhouse has a number of branches now, there's one in Phibsboro and another off Nassau Street. The amount of choice tends to interfere with my simple desire to get drunk though

There's even a Porterhouse in London. The original is in Bray, beloved town of my school years.

I thought one of these Porterhouses, where I went with the Vicar years ago, was more like Pearse Street

what's special about Dawson Street?

The Vicar showed me a coffee place that looked bland on the outside but did a tremendous cappucino

Good thing about Dublin: Joyce's commonplace book c. 1902 digitally readable at NLI exhibit, 2011

another: the Swiss Embassy which is on a street of embassies, near Ballsbridge, that I never knew existed till the Vicar and I arrived there in a taxi one clear early evening this summer

places I have not been:

Phoenix Park
Chapelizod
Heuston Station
Castleknock
the Famine Ship exhibit (seems a bit spooky tbh) and other things east down the modernized Liffey

otherwise I have been to quite a lot of places, in Dublin.

the new dirty vicar of bray <-- i am too tired to make the actual joke here, perhaps you can assemble the parts yourself and think of me as you lol

Nassau Street Porterhouse would be the nearest one to Pearse Street pinefox

Only thing I cared about on Dawson Street was the bookshops and there's only one now :(

murder inc rip

Dawson st's just a nice one to wander, i find. Coffeehouses and upscale gent's outfitters and ok bookshops are gone but i remember them fondly

Porterhouse to which i refer is at the west end of temple bar area.

There's a great run of embassies around wellington rd in ballsbridge

Phoenix park is nice, and enormous

Heuston is like a railed port for famine ships bringin the hopeless back west, you'll always meet a fella there you know 'from before'

there is a porterhouse in westport now, while we're logging them.

This is probably the emigrant in me speaking, but by far my favourite thing about Dublin is simply "being in Dublin".

If I had to make a top three:

- Running in the Phoenix Park
- Grogan's on Castle Street (not a regular haunt of mine but quite special)
- TCD Front Square late at night (so peaceful it barely feels like you're in a city at all) and at dawn

Not sure anyone needs to see Chapelizod before they die ime.

it's best imagined using phonetic prophecy

last time i was home my friends took me to crackbird on south william st, which is a sort of pop up fried chicken place, good fun and a good atmosphere. may contain irish version of hipsters.

bar-wise i'm fairly out of the loop but georges street has many of the best imo, or if you go further south from there there are some good pubs a lot of the way along.

Yeah, I mainly frequent the hipstery bars so i'm keeping quiet on that score. Not a hipster though I swear

what are the hipstery bars? i tend to go to the bernard shaw just cos i used to dj with bodytonic so i am always likely to meet some of the old pals there, that and they sell decent beer.

Hipstery bars of my time (1999-2001): Modern Green Bar, Hogan's

The Shaw, Pygmalion, Twisted Pepper. Generally at the Bodytonic spots just cause they book good people

Whelan's, depending on who was playing

Whelans is hipstery to an extent but it's just too much of an institution now

I recall a dance club, not so noteworthy on its own, but which hosted a weekly DJ set consisting of 80s/early-90s indie, shoegaze, space rock & such.. That was always a reliably great night out & hipster central full-stop.

idk i dont like dublin that much, i guess i would probably say top three douglas hyde gallery, the luas, and getting late coffee on south williams street, which i guess makes me super boring

I would like to add to the top of my bottom three: Registering w/ the Garda - the fucking worst!

Ronan will sort that one out for you.

Best part of living in Dublin for me, as someone who goes to a lot of gigs, is simply having access to a wider variety of live music. Like i lived in Galway for years and it was always immensely frustrating having to travel to Dublin or miss out. Galway has actually gotten a lot better in that respect in recent years though, basically since i left

pub wise I have had some of my best times in the Lord Edward

also the Stag's Head
O'Neill's, granted it's a sprawl
and Nealon's which was once the Vicar's local
in fact that pub on or near Camden Street which was the Vicar's local later on was also good

went to Guinness Brewery with Lara Byrne once, that was a good time

All those pubs are solid choices. To be honest, when I lived in Dublin I went to Doyle's more than anywhere else (lol student) so I still have a lot of affection for there even if it's pretty unexceptional.

doyle's is a fixture alright

What's the place opposite, or close to opposite dublin castle? Thomas read's? Good pub.

and Nealon's which was once the Vicar's local

still possibly the pub I go to the most, as SF book club always ends up there.

in fact that pub on or near Camden Street which was the Vicar's local later on was also good

this is Devitts, a nice old man / local pub (ie not for hipsters, except to extent that I am a hipster). I don't go there much now as it is not so near me (and sad old vicar does not go to pubs so much anymore either).

Rathmines really is a desert for decent pubs.

Just read the new answers now. Glad to see the ILX hivemind subconsciously directed me to the Porterhouse last night (staying directly opposite). Good food and beer. Just walking back from the gaol now - definitely worth a trip. Is the Guinness Storehouse any cop? A bit put off by the fact it's not actually a brewery tour. Oh, if anyone's up for a pint Sunday, or indeed tonight, I'm in town.

Honourable mention for the Chester Beatty Library, by far my favourite museum in Dublin (since they closed the crazy Victorian-science Natural History Museum anyway).

Storehouse is a bit weak imo. View from the top is nice though

The Natural History Museum (aka the Dead Animal Zoo) is open again, huzzah.

Yeah, the Chester Beatty is a gem. I wuv the cafe there.

Mr Kappa - Guinness Storehouse is a huge building and you get a great view of Dublin from the top. I've never done the tour but I was there for an event once. If you like views and industrial architecture it is worth visiting. If you were living the tourist dream you could do it as the first part of a triple header followed by the Irish Museum of Modern Art (in the olde Royal Hospital Kilmainham) and Kilmainham Gaol (where our dead patriots were killed by the evil foreigner).

Chester Beatty library is stunning. So much interesting stuff.

The Kilmainham tour is definitely worth doing as well.

i'm djing at mother in copper alley on saturday btw...dubliners.

The gaol tour was worth doing. It's the prison from The Italian Job! The storehouse was pretty shite though, interesting how they set it up, but the whole thing was just a giant advert. Decent view but it was already dark. The screens where you can watch the vintage Guinness TV ads were good though.

I think a lot of film scenes were done in Kilmainham, probably because it is one of few oldschool jail-like buildings that are not in use as a jail.

mmm, slightly less films than I thought, but they include THE FACE OF FU MANCHU: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilmainham_Jail#Films

BAH! I always forget to put links on a separate line, as a way of avoiding the horror that is Full Justification.

I think a lot of film scenes were done in Kilmainham, probably because it is one of few oldschool jail-like buildings that are not in use as a jail.

The reason is that the guys wanting to restore the gaol had no money and hiring it out to film crews was the only way they could raise the cash!

dmac in dublin is 'a thing'

aside from becoming an urbanite wretch of the highest and totally selling out my heretofore begrudging stony grey soil of mayo disavowal of all things east of tarmonbarry, i'm quite looking fwd to a few years amongst the enemy.

Aside from evening courses, five a side at ucd, boardsdeals-funded meals out, long and brisk walks around muggers and heroin-users along the canal, and three hours on the 16a from the centre to terenure, any clues from the locals as to what to expect?

Bear in mind that i'm in the bottom 5% of ilxors as rated by culture, though as to whether that's been environmentally-stymied thus far or not is open to (short and bad-natured) debate.

You are staying out in Terenure? Noice.

when i burn my bridges i nuke em

terenure/rathgar is, indeed, noice, but it is, unfortunately, temporary.

Is daft.ie the best way to find accommodation, or should we register with a few agencies? Bear in mind that we're not going to be able to come up with much in the way of references, having lived 'at home' for the past few years.

Any clues/advice as to area? Kilmainham/inchicore seem like a winner in terms of the price/transport/decent accommodation available balance.

I can get to work from anywhere but ms mac is stuck out at eastpoint (near clontarf) which is a bit of a pain.

Daft does the job I think. How about Stoneybatter? Near the Luas and stuff.

I'd say you'd be able to get somewhere with a garden etc. in Kilmainham/Inchicore for a similar price to what you'd pay for something pokier in Stoneybatter. But if you like hipster street parties and the like then go for it. I live in Drimnagh, so i can vouch for that end of town but i rent from a friend so i never ran into any problems with references or anything.

do i come across as hipster street party guy? i must be doin somethin wrong

thought that might be a red flag

Despite the supposed hipster cachet over here in D7, there were a posse of mucksavages knocking a sliothar about at the bottom of my street today, so you'd probably fit right in.

new rule- if you can't spell it you don't get to complain about it

dublin what's good

recommended things to do & places to eat? there first weekend in august

1. Find a nice pub (lots of suggestions upthread)
2. Have a Guinness
3. Go to step 2

otm, all of the pubs upthread well worthy of your time. Whereabouts you stayin

I'd suggest fap but i'm in kinsale that w/end

I have a weird relationship with Dublin but sometimes I fall so hard for the city all over again.

if you want hipster food go to bear or crackbird, google away. if you want guinness go to keogh's on south anne street. if you want music i'd say maybe twisted pepper (good lineups but venue is okayish at best) or bernard shaw (loads of children but a decent pub with good beers relative to dublin in general)

not sure about good high end restaurants, it's been too long for me and my friends don't seem to know. winding stair was the last one that people rated and still seem to.

some of my recs may be out of date, don't live there.

hang on, i think cozen likes craft beer, if so "against the grain" is dublin's craft beer bar, and in a fairly vibrant part.

i am ready to be told i don't have a clue tho, the longer i live away, the more i tend to spend my weekends home in suburbia cos i enjoy how totally different from london it is.

Also good for interesting beer is Mulligans in Stoneybatter (where I spent most of today)

otm, sean, very good spot

tbh, dublin's not short of quality pubs for beer, ambience or grub. you'd be grand pretty much anywhere.

What kind of things do you like, Cozen?

Some cultural/historical things to consider:
- Kilmainham Jail (where the Brit bastards killed our independence heroes)
- Chester Beatty Library (fascinating boutique museum of orientalist stuff bequeathed to the state by rich collector guy)
- National Museum on Kildare Street (you want bog bodies, we got bog bodies; also things made of gold and an Egyptian mummy, stuff, etc.)
- Literary Pub Crawl (out of work actors tell you literary anecdotes and bring you to pubs)
- 1916 Rising Walking Tour (you get brought around to sites of exciting uprising action)

My pub recommendations:
- Lord Edward (old school; make sure you go to the upstairs lounge; if in the mood for expensive fish food try their restaurant on 2nd Floor)
- The Brazen Head (popular with tourists, though don't let that put you off. Also, you are a tourist. And it does really nice Guinness and is official oldest pub in Dublin)
- Palace in Fleet Street (not to be confused with Palace on Camden Street, a hellhole; Palace on Fleet Street is appealing old school pub with literary connections but is always full)

I think I will be in London that weekend so no fappage from me, sadly.

I'd back all of those.

National Gallery & the National Museum at Collins Barracks are definitely worth a look too.

The Black Sheep on Capel Street is less smelly new location of Against The Grain crew.
+1 for Chester Beatty.
I am not great at restaurants but if you're looking for decent but not OTT try Winding Stair. Great view if you can get by a window.

hi gelligt

Hi DMac, didn't realise you'd moved up. Story?

As an aside for tourist spot suggestions I was in Glasnevin today for the first time. Very interesting even if you're not Irish.

Great things about Dublin:
1) You can meet groups of friends out all round town that are a walk to get to rather than a bus/train/taxi ride away.
2) The quirkiness is coming back that had been a bit drowned out for few years.
3) The Screen, The Lighthouse & The IFI.
4) The parks. Especially Phoenix Park.
5) View from Capel Street down towards Parliament Street.
6) The increase in non-Diageo beers in more and more pubs.
7) Dead zoo (even if you can't go upstairs into the galleries).

Bad things:

1) There are none. Haters be hating.

Lies obviously. Dublin bus (even with the new app), actually just the public transport in general is pretty poor. Run down buildings that have only been around for 10 years. The abandoned Anglo Irish building.

thanks everyone - this is more than enough to be getting on with

The Black Sheep on Capel Street is less smelly new location of Against The Grain crew.

this sounds good, fuck going way southside for a drink when i have to get the 42 from my parents' place covertly drinking a can lest i get beheaded or whatever the current sentence in ireland for peacefully drinking a cannister of liquid which contains alcohol as opposed to a cannister of liquid which doesn't is.

northside till i die.

major re-evaluation goin on here

what do you mean? (genuine question...)

no wait, you're from malahide or somewhere iirc?

Spiritually southside imo

Xp lol just that yr a southsider in my head

i'm probly gonna be living in clontarf this time next week, so it's not like i can talk tbf....

i can't claim any northside cred at all yeah, though i do think even malahide or howth, posh as they are, breeds a diff type of person to actual southside. posh southside has a more urban insular quality, malahide is a bit of a backwater, county dublin etc.

i did go to belvedere tho so there you go. yet again, a sort of difference from its southside counterparts but kinda the same.

what does fucking infuriate me is a few years in london of nobody understanding my voice on the phone has given me a nasal voice that suddenly makes any irish person think i'm from blackrock. this never happened until the last year or two. not that i had a huge north accent before but it's defo a swing based on having had to work in bbc.

heh do you sound like wogan, i wonder

I've started hypercorrecting my r's after years of English people going "or what?" and I kind of hate myself for it. Not that Greystones ever gave me a credible accent in the first place but still.

oo-er misses /frankiehowerd

heh do you sound like wogan, i wonder

my entire family are from limerick too, it's a similar fusion.

that's why you love that youtube selecta so much i guess....

i have been speaking in phrases from it for months, with many people i know bruv.

it's always mememe with u ppl

Well if you're darting it to Malahide they have another place near Connolly. Or is that the one on Dorset Street? They've kind of done a Porterhouse on it.

I agree with DMac, Howth is spiritually Southside. Sutton as well.

I too shall move soon to leafy Northside. Also Clontarf area. This is all most strange.

Has there been a Dublin FAP recently or was the one a few years ago the last one?

Dare it even be suggested? Is this the most passive aggressive FAP suggestion of all time? I don't care, not bothered, etc.

Oh yeah DV spot on re. Lord Edward. I also like Bull & Castle for draught Metalman.

Spiritually southside imo

Malahide... the South Side's West Berlin.

i'm probly gonna be living in clontarf this time next week, so it's not like i can talk tbf....

Just a short walk away from Barcode... RAPPEH, and an excuse to post this link again:http://www.dublinpubscene.com/thepubs/barcode.html

Goddamn full justification.

Well if you're darting it to Malahide they have another place near Connolly.

yeah, people keep saying it is good. But I am developing a slight reaction against the AtG/Black Sheep/OtherOne empire - the beer might be nice, but some of Dublin's oldschool pubs are nicer.

jesus@that barcode link. the 42 nightlink became significantly nastier when it started stopping outside that kip.

Bleedin rappeh!

I'd forgotten that DV, Is it still going I wonder.

I hear you re. Realaleification of Dublin. It does make a nice change though.

What is Hogans like now they have No Name Bar upstairs? Haven't been out that way in yonks.

that no name bar is kinda crap in my view, tho i was last there a good year or so ago, maybe more. just a big noisy sparse drink box.

i can't stop reading the barcode comments and thinking how everyone who posted them will die one day.

To summarise: FAP at Barcode then?

Bleedin rappeh!

looking forward to being in dublin next month for a couple of days!

i genuinely struggle to imagine what i would talk to a non-ilf ilxor about irl tbh

The magic of indoor plumbing?

is barcode near clontarf castle

Sadly not! Sure you could taxi out. Getting back would be a problem.

because I'd be dead

barcode is the sort of place that gives getting completely fucking trollied a bad name.

Hairy Lemon. It is a mystery why it prevails and yet I am expected to go tomorrow night. Could be worse. Could be the Market Bar. Or Hogans. Man, what happened to Hogans?

never went to barcode in the end

Tell me all.

I suppose you went for all the hackneyed locations. I dunno why Barcode doesn't do well, it could set itself up in Cara as the anti-Johnny Foxs.

it does amazingly well, or it did when i lived in bac.

didn't get up to all that much exciting tbh

was delayed 10hrs by ryanair on our flight out so lost a day. had some americans in tow so did a lot of touristy stuff: merrion sq, national gallery, the guinness storehouse. pints & the dublin game at the duke off dawson st., food at elephant & castle in temple bar was OK.

will say dublin is very pretty in places; the georgian townhouses are gorgeous

That is rough re. Ryanair. A pity that you lost so much time. Still, looks like you made the touristy best of what time you had.

Not sure if this is the best place to post this but:

I live in Northern California (flying out of SF, Sacramento or Oakland) and have traveled to Europe twice in the last 2 years, planning a third and no matter how widely I search, going on 3 years, flying into Dublin is the cheapest in western Europe by a margin of about $300. I never really hear anyone else mention this, though, irl or online...I feel like most transatlantic travelers don't share my experience in finding Dublin flights so cheap? I love Dublin, but would love to see a new city en route to my ultimate destination, Valencia, Spain. Any tips, other places to search, insights into this huge price gap would be greatly appreciated.

Long haul taxes are low out of Dublin and there's lots of competition between airlines. Frankfurt and Amsterdam might be worth checking though.

i got propositioned tonight walking up behind the mespil (i think?)

jaysus i didnt think that happened. dublin, eh? its not like back at home at all at all.

in Dublin Airport for a short-ish layover today & unlike my last flight on Aer Lingus a few years back, the flight staff spoke no Irish today/last night. but I notice lots of signs in both English and Irish. is this just for tourists or is there a substantial community of people here who prefer to read Irish? is there a real move toward bilingualism here?

Irish is the official language. All official documentation/signage is in both languages.

fair q

the answer will depend on who you ask

I'm from a Gaeltacht myself but haven't got great Irish. we had a few houses that the mandated inspector knew to visit to be able to stamp the forms to allow the nod/wink of culture claim and cash flow to the area from the approving Dublin middle class, who speak Irish (having the resources to teach it and send their kids off to the strange and foreign west to learn it each summer). where I'm from, we were much more worried about getting practical subjects so we could hopefully get jobs or bring jobs locally someday.

that never came about, obv. we'd have been better learning our gaeilge, how to weave baskets and act as if life out west hasn't changed since our grandfathers' time. that's p much the only industry coming to the gaeltachts any time soon, aping past poverty for tourists and hobbying dubs.

ito the language, there's a huge scam driven by a range of cabals attempting to sell the pretends of Irish as a living tongue, using a gamed census form and spin to radically overstate the extent to which people use or can use it in everyday life. throwing it on signs, insisting on tramlnslation of all forms/services, EU docs, legislation, making it compulsory to study it until leaving school, the whole thing is a cod and a farce driven by a tiny group of actual gaeilgeoirs from the Gaeltacht (most of whom speak better English), hobby gaeilgeoirs from elsewhere that have a fetish for a famines west, and a few literary scholars who need to drum up work.

I don't have a chip on my shoulder about this at all btw

huh, interesting. I wonder if there are other nations with an official language that isn't dominant in the communication of most of that nation's people. the examples that I'd consider would all be former European colonies where the official language is a European language but most people speak an indigenous language. but that's not the case in Ireland.

French in Canada is an obvious one

-- Do you understand what he says? Stephen asked her.

-- Is it French you are talking, sir? the old woman said to Haines.

Haines spoke to her again a longer speech, confidently.

-- Irish, Buck Mulligan said. Is there Gaelic on you?

-- I thought it was Irish, she said, by the sound of it. Are you from west, sir?

-- I am an Englishman, Haines answered.

-- He's English, Buck Mulligan said, and he thinks we ought to speak Irish in Ireland.

-- Sure we ought to, the old woman said, and I'm ashamed I don't speak the language myself. I'm told it's a grand language by them that knows.

I just saw a guy in a kilt while sitting here in the airport Burger King; now all my stay in Ireland needs for full ~~~~authenticness~~~~ is for me to scarf down a bag of Taytos

not all, but urgent certainly

In Dublin for a couple of nights next week - are there any nice guides for events in the centre of town? Any arthouse cinemas etc.

lighthouse in Smithfield or the ifi in temple bar are yr bets.

I hesitate to propose a fap but fap?

LOL Darragh ifi are playing Orson Welles' Chimes at Midnight but its at 4pm so I can't go that ;-)

Why hesitate - want to suggest a pub? Staying around Smithfield but I can go somewhere off that for a drink in a better place etc. Thurs is best for me.

hesitation only out of acknowledgement of my not being everyones cup of tea bytimes. also I dont read too many books!

but I get along ok with ppl in person mostly.

I'll check Thursday out but sounds preliminarily good

Cool.

myusername @ gmail.com FYI

yup, be in touch sometime.

Have fun you two. You are both a good cuppa tea.

tx jed - might be making my way to Edinburgh for a few weeks after (during weekdays) for this piece etc. Hope to get sometime for Glasgow. Revive the appropriate thread if so.

facot

Good to hear Julio, I'll come and see you. I was obviously feeling quite sentimental last night although I dunno if Darraghmac just called me a faggot or what!?

fancy a cuppa

ha sorry I didnt check the phonetics there my bad

In the big smoke. "Vote for gay marriage, vote for anti-austerity"

Sorry for the delay, emailed you D.

well at least we have two things to fight over hey

casting call for dub ilxors in general?

shameful to note ive never met any but eh I dont blame em or anything

oh hey this was great BTW more ilxors should meet me in dublin

I should be up in Dublin 17-19th June

oh, awkward. I meant glamorous foreigners.

http://img1.nymag.com/imgs/daily/vulture/2012/04/10/10_vanderbeek-cryface.w215.h143.2x.jpg

I'll be accompanied by glamorous foreigners if that's any consolation

drop me a fb but it shouldn't be beyond bounds of possibility to have a quick pint surely

did we ever clear that up with jed?

I will be visiting with my sister in June. Any recs for hotels, bars, record stores, etc?

Looks like most of the record shops I knew are gone now. Tower is now in the old Waterstones premises and above Easons on O'Connell st.
There's still a record shop in George's St arcade.
I don't remember seeing any of the others still around. Except HMV on Henry St. Had been 5 years gap before my last visit a couple months back though. So maybe there are new places I don't know about?

I, a 35 year old married man in a decent state of career, am now looking into the option of us renting a room in a share in order to actually save money for a deposit while also managing to live in Dublin

I realise this will not be news to new yorkers or Londoners but lookit we're only little old Ireland lads hasn't this all gotten a bit #notions

Oof sorry to hear that, deems. Cork is getting ridiculous regarding rent/accom too

I was in Dublin for a few days last summer and thought it seemed even a bit pricier than London.

I'd happily stay miles away from the buying option tbh but the way renting is gone.....eesh

If you would like to commute in from Offaly I can sort you out with a decent 'buy two houses, get one free' deal.

Ah, sorry to hear that, man - I know the prices fell off a ridiculous high in early 2006 (as the fear of going home and buying is what kept me over here) - it looks like they hit the bottom in 2012 from a minute's Googling, is it back to the mad old times?

Rent wise certainly, the buying market actually appears to be slowing very slightly as a result of the lending strictions.

We'll survive. In tallaght.

Dammit tho it's a great town to live in tbf.

You'll have the decency not to mention I said any such thing obv

Damnit D, that sucks. (I loved your house, it's prob twice as big as mine too!)

The integrity of your ethnic identity is safe with me.

Tyvm

Three things to note

Property soars but it's rents that are in actual full-blown crisis, the IT serving some use here for a change in this week's focus

Mentioning that august publication, item two is it's execrable opinion piece today on how awful Dubliners are. Absolutely rotten writing and none of the searing wit evident in our own little stramash some years back on the topic

Third, we ended up north of Stoneybatter in a lovely one bed, thanks for askin

^this is code for cabra yes?

Wash out yr mouth

It's "Navan road" and don't u forget it

Right so boss

Anyways cabra is on the up, luas and everything. Green line!

it's all connected now though. The infection will spread...

We're having out day after tomorrow and our LA riots all at once here folks

Ok you want details here's the details

https://youtu.be/dOAcOjWbhVY

Yes that is local kids demolishing a superstore with a hijacked jcb

I'll admit I'm impressed

Our cops were distracted by....snow

Rumours he'll turn informer are unverified as yet

Was it just for kicks or

looting ensued thereafter

Yeah there was a minor rampage across three or four stores then we sent in the army

Good times

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Can't share tweets what's up

Twitter.com/thatboiyiddo/status/969686929481576448?s=09

Fuckit Google Lidl tallaght and whatever else yerselves

Do u know internet dad?

Computer. Keyboard. You type

i will be in your city, Friday to Monday next weekend, though only really Friday is free, as I am joining friends for the Leinster match on Saturday, and will be staying just outside Dublin/Sunday lunching after that.

Let me know a thing that is good to do that isn't doing the things that everywhere on the internet says is good to do.

what

drinking in a pub?

i mean thats a hell of an option to eschew all things considered

i was in fact thinking of drinking in a pub mainly.

but have a filthy and i suspect protestant legacy of needing to look at some statuary or engaging in some v mildly strenuous cultural activity before i feel i deserve it.

also, you know, pub recommendations. tho my limited experience was that the general standard in ireland is much higher than in england.

national gallery is convenient to manys the good pub and rather plushly newly-built/furbished

i propose something along those sketchy lines

The Hugh Lane is a nice little gallery and houses Francis Bacon's relocated studio in a sort of weird artquarium. It's at the top of O'Connell street, so not that convenient to many good pubs

I mean you can also just walk around Dublin randomly all day — it’s great and will warrant many pints

Thanks NN – it's going in the notebook. and yes I suspect there will be random wandering. both before and after the pub. when the wandering will be more random.

and of course, anyone who fancies a pint shd apply below. I know my way to the bar and am able to converse superficially and with an air of entirely spurious certainty on a number of topics.

chester beatty library is great, actually. chalk that one in.

great. that does sound up my street.

fair warning i might be there for some of the pints so

yes, i mean that seems splendid but de gustibus non est disputandum &c

if theres a precursor to english that nobody speaks anymore but to demonstrate the wealth necessary to send their kids to learn it, twont be latin buck

peeved that I can't be there for Fizzles & darragh in conversation owing to being 8 time zones away

tbf i had to check it on google. i put est at the end.

silby that’s a pretty poor show imo. i mean come on shake a leg etc.

Aer Lingus goes from here to there nonstop once a day but I'd be late

actually that's a pretty affordable fight actually if actually booked ahead, I practically can't afford not to visit Dublin

actually actually actually ffs

every other day actually, must be just the one plane

Consider pints in The Swan. All other decent pubs in D2 are overfull in December.

i think as you say silby it’s practically uneconomical for you not to go next time. as your accountant etc.

and yes, thanks facepalms - i’m resolved to it being a week before christmas in dublin and am girded to experience revelry at close quarters but it’s good to have an alternative bolthole if it becomes too much.

i was in fact thinking of drinking in a pub mainly.

Good man there.

The Swan is a good shout tbf

last chance

no agenda as yet, abu hamza may come up idk

in the swan. good shout everyone. was standing room only with some intercultural barstool #bantz. shrill english woman accused a toothless miserable toper at the bar of stealing her barstool and said she’d complain the barman. he suggested she could complain to whoever she wanted and that the barman was right there and suggested her sort were fucking bastards to no one in particular after she’d gone back to complain to her friends.

now have barstool.

by god its already a hit

Fizzles, get a spice bag!

juan de lads

batter sausage or gtf

and some curry chips

hot whiskies all round. this is the stuff.

Innumerable persons with whom I had conversed had represented to me that spiritous liquors and intoxicants generally had an adverse effect on the senses and body and that those who became addicted to stimulants in youth were unhappy throughout their lives and met with death at the end by a drunkard's fall, expiring ingloriously at the stair-bottom in a welter of blood and puke.

Such reasoning only appears to hold water on occasion because there is strength in numbers. Don't believe their lies. The crowd is untruth.

you've had the pints etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Darragh_MacAuley

fizzles is a pintman now

fizzles losty

cracking night.

turns out mixtures of spirits and beer is good for you. who knew.

me

insider knowledge.

https://giphy.com/gifs/orson-welles-gif-xhlH4jx4li8Ra

cobblestone fyi

this is actually bollocks now tbh

stoneybatter is the new d4

thank god that's over.

What happened to mixtures of spirits and beer being good for you?

turns out not

should’ve got a spice bag

this didnt feel heavy heavy at the time but i am fierce glad i had set up a self-kindness day today

the verdict is that dublin is a good pub town iirc nb for obv reasons my ability to rc is vmiq

i felt extraordinarily tired all day. second visit to the really excellent chester beatty library and then watched leinster bamboozle a leaden-footed bath in the rugby, a game in which the weather turned from mild and wet into fucking freezing and wet.

now down in donabate with a dog, a cat and a fire, so pretty happy.

aviva is one of those structures that seema to amplify bad weather, the cold in particular imo

i thought you were kipping on the south coast!

on the coast south of dublin.

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dunno if this will work but while watching a good programme on rte on the abovementioned chester beatty library they made mention of this scandal: search for "the caretaker"

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/doconone/

it’s an interesting documentary. several good anecdotal scenes - the quite congenial sounding interrogation at Dublin airport for instance.

that interview with the academic who sent the reference to the judge is bizarre. You know the people of Dublin might not be in a position to properly appreciate documents of that sort, right? best sell them on the private market where they can be better appreciated.

I would like to have known what the change in the culture of trust involves. As someone says, the position of cataloguing represents an enormous amount of trust. You get to say what does and doesn’t exist. I will ask a librarian friend how they manage it.

it would have been interesting to know more about the timeline of events and decisions James made but i guess without his participation that’s difficult.

good documentary strand generally that as well.

Me and my wife are planning of possibly visiting Dublin in the first week of July... Neither of us have ever been Dublin, so any tips on what's happening there in July, and what sites/places to visit in general, are welcome.

We haven't a book a hotel yet or anything, so I'd also appreciate recommendations on where to stay. We can afford a hotel but nothing too pricey or fancy.

will be back later with recs. might have to tease out yr idea of what pricey and fancy are!

Suggested itinerary:

Arrive in Dublin
Leave Dublin immediately

ah jaysus

ah no, it depends what you're into of course

All the obvious ones:

- Chester Beatty Library
- national art gallery
- the national museums
- get on the dart and go up the coast to somewhere like howth
- go to the gpo and other obvious places

I was going to recommend the Jackson court hotel where we stayed over ten years ago but fuck’s sake, it’s like €734 for four nights in a double room that week!

I've been there only once, but apart from all the things to do in the city, we had a really great day buying a cheap day pass on the DART train (like €10 for unlimited rides) that runs up and down the coast outside Dublin. We climbed the hill at Bray, visited the Martello Tower at Sandycove that's in the opening of Ulysses, and had great seafood at Howth (a village with an insane amount of seafood places).

I'd say Airbnb would be your best bet accommodation-wise tbh

hotels in Dublin are absurdly expensive

Isn’t air bnb in Dublin fucking tons of local people over though?

yeah, me included

but I use it in other cities so can't really complain...

On the food front, if you want to sample some Irish produce I'd recommend:

Klaw (oysters)

Fish Shop (fish!)

Forest & Marcy (modern takes on classic Irish dishes)

Delahunt (Beautiful old building with a nice cocktail bar upstairs)

Hatch & Sons (good spot for a simple lunch if you're around the city centre)

If you're splashing out:

The Greenhouse (Probably the best lunch in town. And it's got a Finnish chef)

Thanks for the recommendations. I'd definitely be up for taking the train and seeing the coast. I guess this Howth is worth a visit, since two people mentioned it already?

As for restaurants, I don't eat meat or fish, but my wife does, and she loves seafood. So we'll have to settle for places with at least one vegetarian option on the menu. How easy/difficult is Dublin in general for vegetarian? (I'm lacto-ovo, not vegan.)

hmmm, most of the fine dining-ish places are not very vegetarian-friendly....

let me have another think

Also, we're both into literature, visual arts, comics, stand-up, pop music, so anything along those lines would be of interest.

Well there's the World Science Fiction Convention in Dublin Aug 15-19th, if you want to delay your trip - I did look in to going, but for the same sort of outlay I could have had a week in New York - so sorry Dublin.

https://dublin2019.com/

id have said town is pretty good vegetarian option wise tbh

the usual hotel aggregators and Airbnb are the options for accommodation. i think we can note that without reference to the accommodation crisis like

Oh there are vegetarian options for sure, but a lot of the fancier places are still just stuck on one starter/one main

xp fairly sure that the usual options are obvious, but fuck airbnb

I don't think we would go to fancier places anyway, we're not that wealthy, and both of us are used to travelling on a budget.

I'm not the biggest fan of Airbnb either.. Do you have an idea what would be average price per night for 2 in a three star hotel, for example?

xp agreed agreed

but i mean like nn i use em too so shrugs whatta woild etc

i uh

look i mean sorry i wouldnt know about three star hotels sorry

booking.com are my go-to for hotels i dunno if im teaching granny to suck eggs here tuomas but they alow you to group by type, star rating, amenities, distance, budget and rating by different groups (eg young couples) so thatll give you agood indicator

gyac and eyeball kicks recs are a very good selection i second all that

Looking at the hotel prices for July, and I guess Number None is right, they are pretty steep, way more expensive than in Helsinki for example. So I guess we'll have to settle to for an Airbnb, if we wanna come. I found one that seems quite nice and with a decent price, it's located in the corner of Infirmary Rd. and Aberdeen St. Would that be a bad location for moving around town?

no, location wise. the town is very walkable, if walking is something you can bear. thats right at the phoenix park, two mins from heuston station for buses and the luas, probably about 25 mins walk directly to oconnell st.

i dont know anything much about that street tho ito would i stay there, others may advise

That's a grand part of town. You won't run into any bother

my 11-month-old daughter and i are gonna be killing some time in dublin for a couple of days from tomorrow - any suggestions of baby-friendly stuff we can do together other than go to the pub?

Go to a baby-friendly pub.

fuckin nailed it, cheers

Tom otm, although most pubs are baby friendly tbf...
https://youtu.be/GahWcnBvnSA

Is she too young for the zoo? I’m guessing so.

get the DART out to Killiney or Howth. Weather is going to be great so might as well spend it at the beach

also this place is meant to be good

http://www.imaginosity.ie/

although she might be a bit young

actually Howth wouldn't be so suitable

but Killiney, Portmarnock or Sandycove

what does she like to do usually

Go to the pub.

big fan of shitting herself at the mo

also mini babybels

beach and/or zoo sounds good, thx folks

northside pub forsure so xps

tuomas im not in town that weekend alas, otherwise i was goin to offer to be nicer to u in person than i am on the internet.

bg hmu if it appeals or time allows obv

little walk down dun laoghaire pier and trip out to dalkey is a lovely DART day out btw

Second Dun Laoighaire, get an ice cream from Teddy’s and eat it in front of her.

ya a grand day out

darragh, not quite sure exactly what me and my very drunk baby are gonna be up to quite yet but it’d be great to say hi if you’re around late afternoon tomorrow or weds? no worries if not, it’s pretty short notice after all

i wouldn't recommend portmarnock but then i'm a malahide man so it's basically shelbyville.

it isn't v nice tho really? like it is pleasant suburbia but the town is fairly depressed apart from the beach i guess, when there aren't pitched battles between roving gangs. i would rep for malahide if you want beach plus town. or howth maybe above either.

i don't think i've ever set foot in dun laoghaire. i often think if i lived in dublin again i would see more of it.

have driven through obv.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7umHnB0DtoU

actually here you go - sorted

still haven't gone on the Ghost Bus :(

Wouldn't venture north of Connolly Station myself but it is a nice beach

would return for a Ghost Bus FAP

generation apparition

i met dmac ffs

the man knows where to find a damn good chicken sandwich tbh

scored a fowl

https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2017/02/10/19/11/thumbs-up-2056022_960_720.jpg

i felt a twinge of guilt about berating him about his opinions on black panther after his impeccable hospitality but y’know it had to be done and anyway i’d crossed a sea i wasn’t gonna miss my chance

Top work lads.

When you say chicken sandwich, please tell me you meant chicken roll?

*chicken fillet roll

i’d characterise it more as a roll than a sandwich, yeah

it was a chicken club on an onion bap

philistine, dunno why i bothered

he had a right go about black panther but it was background noise i was talkin to a cute blonde at the time

can confirm that "the one north of manhattan" also known as "the one spiderman attended" is indeed columbia fyi

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can confirm that "the one north of manhattan" also known as "the one spiderman attended" is indeed columbia fyi

― deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Tuesday, May 14, 2019 7:23 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

except it's in the north of manhattan, not north of manhattan

everything's relative smartass

look just as long as we can all agree that it’s the alma mater of peter parker, the amazing spider-man

yeah i was hardly off by miles

i got sunburned btw, thanks for nothing dublin

actually, Peter Parker attended "Empire State University" in the comics

an why you be like that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLA67dbBLAc

they were puns about miles morales and nyu

Any suggestions of particularly good pubs within about a 15 minute walk of Trinity College?

that's pretty much all of them!

but more specifically, The Long Hall (Georges Street), Mulligans (Poolbeg Street), Grogans (South William Street)

Thanks! Yeah I don’t have my head around the distances yet, I suspect everything is closer than it looks on a map.

I used to like O’Neills in Suffolk St but haven’t been there in about 10 years.

everything is walkable.

the whiskey bar beside/adjoining porterhouse nassau st is good for whiskey

upstairs at rustic stone for cocktails

upstairs at central hotel for sherlock holmesy ambience

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2021/06/how-rentier-capitalism-is-destroying-dublin

https://tribunemag.co.uk/2022/02/dublin-bus-station-busaras-modernism-architecture

BUSARAS

all my Busáras memories involve being cold