James Watson: Avoid Black People

we really don't need to do this.

James Watson bottle opener

This is basically The Bell Curve all over again.

the thread title could've been phrased more accurately to reflect his in actual fact more disturbing opinion.

oh geez, you're right Frogman! sorry!

and yeah, i guess blueski's right. i was still *_* when I read the article, though. c.f. his crazy opinions on genetically engineering pretty girls.

was it watson or crick, that did all the acid?

Crick.

intelligence isn't genetically influenced in any way?

*disclaimer*

not agreeing with theory, not supporting racism, sexism, or an other -ism, just wondering.

Here we go...

I don't think you can make a blanket statement that one race is genetically more intelligent than another without making a culturally-loaded definition of the word "intelligence".

point taken.

not to mention a loaded definition of the word "race"

when people are deprived of food in their infancy, they lose IQ

that been your personal experience?

possibly

RESPECTED SCIENTIST: NABISCO NOT OTM

I would think they lose not only IQ, but also life.

The 79-year-old geneticist said he was “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa” because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really.". He said he hoped that everyone was equal, but countered that “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true”.

this has to be fake guys

james watson is fake!!

i mean they get insufficient food, because of famine or just poverty

deeznuts is right; there's no way a 79-year-old white person could be ridiculously racist towards black people.

(HH: I knew what you meant, I was making a lame joke.)

really old white dude is a racist shockah!

especially not a 79-year-old RESPECTED SCIENTIST

srsly I almost wish they didn't bother printing this shit at all, it just lends undeserved credibility to a batshit statement.

but, but HE'S A RESPECTED SCIENTIST!

he also wants homosexual babies to be aborted, and women to be genetically prettier. and jol out.

This story was (bizarrely) on the front of the Independent today:

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00257/p1-171007_257291a.jpg

lookin' good, watson

FTW

i regret starting this thread

Why they gave this the space, god knows, but here's the story:
http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3067222.ece

INSIDE: 20-PAGE FREE BOOKLET
HOW TO SUCCEED AT INTERVIEWS

Page 1. "Don't be James Watson."

(The remaining 19 pages are pictures of unicorns.)

is he that respected?

What's really frustrating is that the article does very little to actually examine what might be wrong with Watson's conclusion.

CONTROVERSIAL PERSON: Black people are dumb
CRITIC: That's racist!
JOE READER: Well, it's true, but it's racist, so I won't mention it at the office.

didn't watson also try to test the claim that "fat people are jollier than skinny people"? or am i thinking of some other batshit scientist dude

On the issue of obesity, Watson has also been quoted as saying: "Whenever you interview fat people, you feel bad, because you know you're not going to hire them."

damn, just came here to post that!

at least he didn't say "Whenever I interview fat people, I feel bad, because I know I'm not going to hire them."

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/76/76rblackperspective.phtml

Garrett Morris: [ interrupting ] Well, I think I understand the problem with the tests. But the fact is that people have been saying that white people are smarter than black for hundreds of years. We've only had I.Q. tests for 20 or 30 years. How did the idea of white intellectual superiority originate?

Julian Bond: That's an interesting point. My theory is that it's based on the fact that light-skinned blacks are smarter than dark-skinned blacks.

Garrett Morris: [ not sure he heard that right ] Say what?

fact!

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9923/p1171007257291boq7.jpg

B+

Oh yeah, Mr. Watson? Well we hope you like the scare quotes that will be now going around the word "scientist" when we are talking about you in conversation! Take that!

Good job, BIG TIME, "Mr. Scientist."<sarcam>

whoever asked "is he that respected?": my impression has always been that in fact, he's not. That Crick and Rosalind Franklin were the scientific engine behind the discovery of DNA and Watson was more of an opportunist and a popularizer (the latter is an important role, of course, but has little to do with his chops as a scientist.) Also, he comes off as a total dick in The Double Helix and a real creature of his time in terms of his social views, so I can't say I'm totally surprised by this. it's infuriating, of course.

"I think at sort of a young age I began looking at sort of ornithographical magazines, so I became aware of...of science through people interested in birds, and particularly bird behavior. Because the migration of birds was the thing with which you were dominated. Some birds came through in the spring, and in the fall, and in the winter you saw another collection of ducks"

what is it with ducks today?

(I am relying for this impression of Watson's insubsantiality as a thinker on my reading of The Double Helix for a bio class my first year of college, so I could be wrong, but I remember hardly anything about that class except this, which I remember pretty clearly.)

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What would rather you have – surgeon with high IQ score or surgeon that plays basketball well? Note: IQ is not politically correct since results would favor Dr. Watson’s view. Bottom line: you dead and surgeon receive extra credit for basketball skills since IQ was never determined.

Tom, New York City, US/NY

um

Bottom line: you dead and surgeon receive extra credit

hahaha

because they stop people from being surgeons after the IQ determination phase of medical school.

even if you do get past that the basketball skills tests are grueling.

and so unneccessary.

“there are many people of colour who are very talented, but don’t promote them when they haven’t succeeded at the lower level” <-- what does this mean? I cannot parse this sentence.

Tom from New York City is blowing my mind a little bit.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00220/watson_1_220741a.jpg

Did anyone see the House M.D. where the patient was a doctor/scientist who'd done all these Tuskeegee-type tests on black babies back in the day? He looks just like this guy, only kinder.

omg guys i am so bad at basketball, what am i going to do :(

I think all the doctors who are bad at basketball end up in radiology.

what is really amazing is how people can be functionally literate and learn how to tie a knot and yet still be for all other intents and purposes exactly as smart as yeast

most of the knot critic community for starters

That's knot fair to say!

also lol @ racist dan saying hindoos aren't be good at basketball

what is really amazing is how people can be functionally literate and learn how to tie a knot and yet still be for all other intents and purposes exactly as smart as yeast

all types of "smart" are just different subsets of literacy, really

FWIW both crick + watson have been on really shaky intellectual ground for a very long time now

WAHT ABT BALKC QUARTBACKS

i wouldn't let them cut me open if that's what you're asking, i guess that makes me a racist

also lol @ racist dan saying hindoos aren't be good at basketball

lololololololololol I thought I was saying Germans aren't be good at basketball! (All the radiologists I know are German.)

NYC Tom's spiel upthread could be made into surrealist poetry or maybe old-style eletro rap, or jazz poetry or something like that:

"you got a high IQ/but I play basketball well/now sucker you DEAD/ but I got extra CREd/for my basketball skills"/er I can't think of anything more (thankfully, probably)

radiologists actually are pretty good they just disagree with the no zone defense rule in the pros

same for why you don't see any seismologists in major league baseball, they all refuse to give up their aluminum bats

My doc had a syringe that contained a trio of needles. you might say he was good with the three point shot

the only reason you don't see jockeys playing football is because they can't learn the plays

I guess flutie was the exception that proved the ruled then

this is still less embarrassing than the guy from the human genome project who wrote a book about how human evolution is evidence that god exists

who did he expect to agree with him? people who believe in evolution or people who believe in god? they appear to be virtually exclusive

i think this is worse xp

local morning radio discussion of this = "Charlize Theron is African, right?"

was joke slocki

FWIW both crick + watson have been on really shaky intellectual ground for a very long time now

Yeah hasn't Watson been saying dumb/bigoted shit for years? Or am I making that up?

well like a lot of nobel prize winners watson's been doing a lot more talking (politics + public speaking) than thinking for a while now

crick OTOH has been doing very weird professor-emeritus type research, trying to figure out where "the soul" resides in the brain

cf kary mullis

http://www.karymullis.com/book.JPG

that is a very entertaining book. he's a loon, though. also an HIV-causes-aids "skeptic".

Crick went to my high school. Just a heads-up.

-- Dom Passantino, Sunday, 23 September 2007 23:07 (3 weeks ago) Link

Dude's treatment of Rosalind Franklin in Double Helix is indefensible. When not discounting her contributions he's all "She might not be so ugly if she'd do something with her hair."

Plus, Double Helix is a lame little book.

she's portrayed as the hero in 'DNA', to be fair. lol@jeff goldblum character becoming racist twunt. they used to show us that one all the time in chemistry class, as an end of term treat.

haha first thing i thought of reading that article was 'lol @ jeff goldblum'

well maybe not the first thing, but yeah

Since it is impossible to say what IQ tests actually measure, aside from the ability to score well on IQ tests, I find Mr. Watson's conclusions to be without much foundation.

If he were to define what he is talking about when he speaks of "intelligence", it would be possible to discover what the fuck he is banging on about. But just saying Africans are not as intelligent as Europeans is about as useful as saying that some fish tastes "fishier" than other fish.

my scientist wife says "we've known watson was an asshole for a long long time"

also if you guys aren't reading the comments thread on that Times Online story you're really missing an opportunity to crave death

John, that's slightly mitigated by the gem Curtis found that I repost here:

What would rather you have – surgeon with high IQ score or surgeon that plays basketball well? Note: IQ is not politically correct since results would favor Dr. Watson’s view. Bottom line: you dead and surgeon receive extra credit for basketball skills since IQ was never determined.

Tom, New York City, US/NY

he's got us there

little known fact: Mt Sinai Med School won the NCAA Basketball tourney in 1946

If anything that comment makes me love life.

Dude's treatment of Rosalind Franklin in Double Helix is indefensible. When not discounting her contributions he's all "She might not be so ugly if she'd do something with her hair."

it's indefensible for sure, but it's also embarrassingly transparent. it's like, shit, she's the one who should have won the Nobel, quick, let me call her ugly to distract everyone! but yeah, it's an unintentionally amazing read.

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/lopate/episodes/2007/10/30/segments/87947

Buried somewhere in this segment, the dude who actually published the first human genome sequence, J. Craig Venter, points out that there's no genetic basis for anything Watson said - and honestly that's pretty widely known and OUGHT to be common knowledge. It's kind of depressing that there wasn't more follow-up of that sort in most of the coverage - everything I saw was framed as "this is the truth" vs. "it's racist," and the latter doesn't really refute the former.

on another internet forum, someone who works in broadly that field said that Watson is famous for not knowing anything about anything and for basically lucking his way into the Nobel Prize all those years ago.

I am at a theoretical level open to the idea that there might be a genetic basis to intelligence (while being aware of the problems with "intelligence" as a concept), and so that some people might be genetically cleverer than another, and I suppose that these people might congregate in some countries more than others. But one of the many problems with what Watson was saying was that it would be a bit strange if skin pigmentation genes determined intelligence. And Africans have the highest genetic variance of anyone in the world, so to say they are all anything is a bit mental.

Everything Watson said was completely supported factually.

If you want the long explanation:

http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2007/10/james-watson-tells-inconvenient-truth_296.php

Liberals act no better than fundamentalist Christians when science destroys their pretty little myths.

oh fucking hell

haha

welcome back manalishi

be my, be my baby

the proof is in the pudding: more than 99% of MENSA members believe strongly in the viability of IQ testing

the proof is in the pudding: the US Army believes strongly in the viability of IQ testing

us army = another group of geniuses, obviously

both ends of the spectrum

both need lessons on where to buy glasses

You're right, we should let people with IQ of 70 fly helicopters or target artillery.

would they do a worse job than the current bunch?

yeah black people have done really badly in the american military

ok 'dethkiller' quit being a pussy and take the next step: once we've all accepted this IQ & race business, then what?

i am glad this dude is greater than 700 iq
him too
oh also him

haha i mean 70 iq

Soldiers are, for the most part, highly competent in performing their day to day duties. The fact that Iraq is a clusterfuck has nothing to do with them.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Colin_Powell_official_Secretary_of_State_photo.jpg/200px-Colin_Powell_official_Secretary_of_State_photo.jpg

dethkiller i will listen to your ideas on IQ if you can answer this question

a random group of non-chess players are shown a chess game in progress for 30 seconds

a random group of chess masters are shown a chess board in progress for 30 seconds

which group tested better at remembering the layout of pieces on the board?

the dudes i posted were soldiers failing at their day to day duties (flying helicopters specifically)? and some in afghanistan?

i would actually like to solicit everyone's opinions on this study as it will seperate the men from the boys on this thread

>yeah black people have done really badly in the american military

Blacks do well in the military because low IQ blacks get weeded out in the testing process.

Of course, this is only a surprise if you willfully misinterpret "blacks have a lower average IQ than whites" as "all blacks are stupid".

Best thread ever

how does one kill deth anyway?

"dethkiller i will listen to your ideas on IQ if you can answer this question

a random group of non-chess players are shown a chess game in progress for 30 seconds

a random group of chess masters are shown a chess board in progress for 30 seconds

which group tested better at remembering the layout of pieces on the board?"

The chess players will do better. But this is irrelevant to IQ.

1) IQ tests are not genetic tests
2) Correlation =/= causation

big fan of 'james and the quiet', dk

>how does one kill deth anyway?

That is not dead which can eternal lie.
And with strange æons even deth may die.

a random group of non-chess players are shown a chess game in progress for 30 seconds

a random group of chess masters are shown a chess board in progress for 30 seconds

which group tested better at remembering the layout of pieces on the board?

The white people?

hey dethkiller: the "explanation" you link to says that skin color does not determine intelligence. it says many people confuse skin color and race (or "breed"). maybe you are one of these people?

by the way, f*ck you for even making me read that page in order to show how little you've thought about this.

http://www.last.fm/user/dethkiller/

Arguing with this guy is not going to do anyone any favors, I fear.

Unless you're an Ashkenazi Jew, since their IQs supposedly test higher -- then you might get somewhere.

HAHAHAHA RYAN ADAMS

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"hey dethkiller: the "explanation" you link to says that skin color does not determine intelligence. it says many people confuse skin color and race (or "breed"). maybe you are one of these people?"

I am American. When I say "black" I mean of "of Sub-Saharan African origin."

since Tracer brought it up, there is a big open comments box over at gnxp, and there are many scientifically-minded and non-pc-blind ppl u can chat with there. some of them are even quite racist! good luck and have fun. best, gff

(xpost They joke about it: "Sephardim? More like RETARDim, amirite??")

ok i take it back, dethkiller. it seems like you've thought about this a lot! why are you so interested, just out of curiousity?

Namibians be taking over the Air Force, that's why

"Unless you're an Ashkenazi Jew, since their IQs supposedly test higher -- then you might get somewhere."

Roughly it goes:

Ashkenazi
East Asians
Whites
Middle Easterns/Indians
Blacks

sub-saharan makes me think of some sort of desert morlocks, why do people say sub-saharan? that means UNDER, not... SOUTH OF

is there even a set of prefixes that deal with direction like north/south/east/west?

the real questions is why do canadians have bigger penises AND higher iqs than americans of sub-stratospheric origin?

now let's do one for dick size

haha xpost

"1) IQ tests are not genetic tests
2) Correlation =/= causation"

1) Who claimed this?
2) This is true. But every other factor has been considered (socio-economic level, testing bias, etc.) and still a difference remains. It is not unreasonable to conclude this difference is of genetic origin.

but what about BALKC QATUERBAKCS

HAD U GUYS SEEN BAKSTEBLALS

yeah no east asian i know would be dumb enough to listen to ryan adams

dethkiller seriously - i have never met anyone before who knows the ranking of different races' intelligences, even "roughly". what is it about this subject that intrigues you?

hay guyz i heard that skin color is conversely corololleated with a black holloway

don't leave me this way babe

don't leave me with an empty vajayjay

MARTHONG RUNNZER?

MDIECAL SCOOHL ENROLMETN!

WHY IS ONLY WHITE DUDE EVR PRESDIENT

so who wants to join my dethkiller time-to-ban office pool?

i say ten minutes +/- 1 minute

don't let me down here tomboto

it's you guys who are letting me down

hahahahahahaha roughly

SGHGDUNGDTVCAY JAHJIAGYFNAV DVSA

what is that some kind of code for ashkenazi chessmasters or some shit

lolz @ naming after(notoriously racist) HP Lovecraft

um way upthread, many x-posts

'ok i take it back, dethkiller. it seems like you've thought about this a lot! why are you so interested, just out of curiousity?"

It dovetails with my interests in the origins of humanity, its settlement of the world, the origin and spread of farming, the history and spread of language-groups, the developement of civilizations, etc. In other words, I am interested in a lot of things.

LIKE RYAN ADMAS

SHGSFAYVG AHJAHJKHA: NAJNUAGA?????

boy you sure are!

hmm dethkiller brings an interesting perspective. i say we ban him.

DEE EE VEE OH

see the interesting thing is that you have a very poor grounding in cognitive science

The chess players will do better. But this is irrelevant to IQ.

-- dethkiller, Friday, November 2, 2007 8:18 PM

NO.

the chess masters scored the same as normal people when the board was randomized.

the chess players did better then normal people only when the board matched layouts of actual chess games

more Cthulhu talk please

BOOOGIE

BOOOGIE WONDERLAND

do you have a link to anything about that study MJTB?

JUST A GIRL
THE GIRL U WANT

IVE GOT AN UNCONTROLLABLE URGE

There's so much on the list of things I never knew existed before the internet, e.g.:

- furries
- Brazilian post-punk
- racism nerds who are total boring nerds about being racist

I'VE GOT A PICTURE IN MY POCKET OF THE LUCKY ONE

i've been to many foreign lands
but i just don't understand
everywhere i turn
a feeling starts to burn
though i've tried to shake it loose
it just ain't no use
i find myself back in time
cause you're still on my mind

NANANNANANANANANANAN NAHHHHH

i'm right back to youuuouououuuuuuououo

why don't we have a rum poll yet

I would have to probably vote a couple of times. Maybe we should have two rum polls

rum is innately of inferiory intellihol

will M: no but i can find it when i can get to my copy of "how Students Learn: history, mathematics, and science in the Classroom" (2005) by donovan and bransford which was the last thing i read that cited it

it is a very famous and basic study that people ALWAYS cite when they talk about multiple situational and contextual intelligences

light rums are smarter

actually three

RUMM RUMMM RUMM RUMMMMMMMMMM

RUMM TUMMM TUMM KITTY

http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz236outcome3.jpg

why does dark rums never want to rock

light rums are smarter but dark rums have more soul. i hate this minimal german rum.

hey vahid those are three separate books on my amazon, what do I do? there is a $18 "bridging research and practice" but eh
can u recommend some other good general cognitive books?

rum poll

Thanks, Moonship! I don't know anything about that kind of stuff but am very interested to read about it, now. Cognitive science. Hm. Is it as dry as it sounds though? I may be very interested but that doesn't make me any less ADD/uneducated.

dethkiller just so you know, you just got schooled by an iranian

>ok 'dethkiller' quit being a pussy and take the next step: once we've all accepted this IQ & race business, then what?

Black people are fucked either way. Current idiot liberal attempts to improve their conditional in Africa (which is what Watson was critizing) and America have not worked, and won't ever work. However, there is no humane or praticable solution that comes with the realization that they have a lower average IQ.

It seems the fast track to getting 'banned' around here is to hold an unpopular opinion.

OK, then...Trompe Le Monde is the greatest Pixies album!!!

We the people await your response.

allright dude i'm banning you

xpost

how convenient

fyi: when you don't know, just say "i don't know". it's a little more intelligent that just making something up

dang I was sure you were gonna recommend exterminating the brutes

or maybe sending them to a lunar colony

x-posts

I'm sorry, but banning someone from ILX for any reason other than harrassment of another poster or posting kiddie porn or something is totally weak, guys.

"It seems the fast track to getting 'banned' around here is to hold an unpopular opinion."

Its not like I started a new thread about this, or started posting this in an off-topic thread.

spewing a bunch unsusbtantiated racist bullshit c/d

ban dethkiller

for real

this dude needs to prove ot me that he actually believes this, and isn't, you know, just a troll! i am not convinced at ALL.

"spewing a bunch unsusbtantiated racist bullshit c/d"

Is your non-racist viewpoint substantiated?

hold a sign that says ilx with your white hood on, then i will believe you're for real

Ha, the "current idiot liberal attempts to improve their conditional in Africa" is totally priceless -- it's like it never occurred to him that he has terrific historical efforts to "improve the condition" of Africans that he could totally be repping for!

xpost - ILX isn't some kind of public institution with an interest in accommodating all -- I don't see any pressing need to ban this person, but c'mon, tell me anything at all would be lost by doing it

the idea that "intelligence" (a quality that cannot be objectively measured) is somehow linked to genetics (which ARE objectively measured) is fucking ridiculous on the face of it, and we all know it. The only reason to argue otherwise is cuz someone's got an axe to grind against a particular ethnic group, and why should that be entertained or allowed exactly...

x-post

I'm sorry, but banning someone from ILX for any reason other than harrassment of another poster or posting kiddie porn or something is totally weak, guys.

racist trolling like this would be implicit harassment of every black person who posts here. I'm glad you have the guts to call people out for shit they haven't done, though.

tombot OTM

Actually, the fear of actual discourse on ILX when it comes to controversial topics such as this kind of makes moderators seem more characteristic of brownshirts than "dethkiller" or anyone else. But hey, that's just my $0.02. I don't really agree with what he's saying so I'm not taking sides. Just another voice defending his right to say it, as it were. Carry on.

wow i figured you'd at least argue that some stability, rule of law, and foreign direct investment (you know, conservative shit, rather than aid) (and rather than miserable 'shock tactic' imf sell-offs and all that) has shown some success in certain african countries, but "black people are fucked either way"? a+ convincing & cogent enjoy your ban moron.

P.S. His intelligence ranking actually does not at all support the notion that sub-Saharan Africans are screwed: judging by it, white people's conditions + outcomes have been WAY outperforming their mediocre innate capabilities for an eternity

"fear of actual discourse" = 100 posts in less than half an hour, apparently

unless by "discourse" you mean, "validate an offensive opinion that no one here agrees with"

x-post

quiz: gimme the name of the african president who was "bigged-up" on some conservative blogs for sounding like a rotarian from indiana?

I'm not sure we're 'validating' it by systematically shooting it full of holes for all of the internet to see forever and ever

I think some fairly large holes were pointed out rather quickly, no...?

I mean I see your point and I'm all for the intellectual disembowelment of invalid opinions, but lets not pretend mr. lovecraft troll is actually interested in exploring anything contrary to his already fixed-in-stone opinion.

Well, hey, banning works too I guess. After all, we won't be hearing from ol' dethkiller anymore. Now we can all go back to talking about the new Burial album or whatever. Cheers.

wow somehow this thread got even worse after dethkiller stopped posting

"stopped posting" - hilarious

"If Assholes", you're the guy that said there was a media conspiracy to not report on those black dudes who killed a car full of white kids in knoxville, right?

Still, a question remains - how does one find a board like this and think "oh, this'll be a great place to air my prejudices!'

I know nothing of a car full of white kids being killed in knoxville or anywhere else

Tracer's confusing you with manalishi

But 'stopped posting' - come on. He didn't stop posting, he was STOPPED from posting. Big difference. Like I said, I couldn't care less, but let's at leats be honest about what happened

Did dethkiller post in any of the I Love Music threads, I wonder? Or did he come here to taunt "music fans" for some reason??

oh ok - you sound just like him!

i don't really know what happened and i don't really care but carry on believing that the pc police are stifling interesting debate if it mows your lawn

Still, a question remains - how does one find a board like this and think "oh, this'll be a great place to air my prejudices!'

Because of people like you, Assholes.

Oh come on, ban this prick already. We'll get the benefit of not having to listen to his asolutely rediculous views, and he can jerk off about how everyone is trying to silence him. Win/win.

you're a real idiot if you think the reason ILX is bored of talking about eugenicist horseshit has to do with "fear of discourse." You should also mention our reactionary defense of the official government version of the 9/11 attacks against Loose Change mavericks

and he hasn't been stopped from posting my anybody!

i have to admit, it was amusing getting him to answer questions, it was like testing the abilities of an animatronic dog or something

dowd, it's spelled "ridiculous," dude. I'm just a nice guy correcting you, so no assholes correct you first in some scathing attack.

pretty cool that we get to call this guy 'assholes'

^^^ exactly what i thought

haha, ta Will M.

remember when assholes and dethkiller came and talked about how black folks are all screwed?

but I have a serious problem with the term "If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport" anyway, I mean honestly. It'd just be a messageboard with a bunch of people flying! Some people have silly imaginations.

because their low intelligence means they can't take advantage of the help that white folks give em! that really is a new one for me, but i haven't lived in tennessee for awhile - it's probably a big meme

You should also mention our reactionary defense of the official government version of the 9/11 attacks against Loose Change mavericks

I have no idea what this sentence means.

And I was under the impression you had dethkiller banned. If you didn't, sorry. I think it was the 'enjoy your ban' comment.

I NEVER agred with dethkilelr's idiotic remarks, for the record. You're confusing my defending his right to free speech with an endorsement of whatever crazy thing he was saying.

As for me, I'm leaving the thread before this gets out of hand. I've obviously touched a nerve for some reason.

No one has a right to free speech in a privately-owned forum.

PS FWIW there are no ILM threads started by 'dethkiller' that I could find

oh please

xxpost

i dont like you assholes

no nerves have been touched, the dude is pathetic and we are laughing at him - and i for one am kind of confused by your indignance!

You, Assholes, are confusing his national/public right to free speech with his private/personal non-right to utilize people's message-board bandwidth in basically pointless and irritating ways. Not that I care either way, but it's seriously less about discourse and speech-rights than it is the equivalent of pretending dinner's ready when the Avon lady won't just leave already

sorry, xpost

It's nonsense - your right to free speech doesn't mean that the New York Times has to print your infantile rantings. No-one is stopping 'dethkller' from saying what he says, printing leaflets etc. But telling him to go fuck himself doesn't affect that right.

if assholes could shop this place would be a mall

if assholes could make or purchase chinese food, this place would be a chinese restaurant

I've obviously touched a nerve for some reason.

haha well that was your whole point! Congratulations, have fun on ILM or wherever. I don't think dethkiller's coming back but I'm banning him sitewide permanently. For being an obvious troll of the even more boring variety, Assholes gets a 3-day from ILE.

if he's genuinely confused by this then I'm sorry he's only been on the internet for three months and hasn't learned anything.

power-crazy tombot!

The only nerve I have that's been touched is knowing that people here have the self-discipline of Pac-Man in a maze full of dots and that this entire thread would turn into "lol bait the racist" bullshit that isn't funny.

You, Assholes, are encouraging/attracting posters like dethkiller by defending his nonexistent right to say whatever he wants on this forum without censure. Whether you agree with his position or not is unimportant. Also lol u got banned.

Roughly it goes:

Ashkenazi
East Asians
Whites
Middle Easterns/Indians
Blacks

-- dethkiller, Friday, November 2, 2007 4:29 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Funny how most Ashkenazi Jews tend to be in the liberal camp that argues against your conclusions then, isn't it?

I was totally having the Pac-Man problem with this dude. I held out most of the afternoon, but it Just Kept Going till it found me at a weak point.

I have the right to walk into your house and scream "YOUR MOM'S A CUNT" at you over and over, and you don't have the right to show me the door!

What's the pac-man problem?

I don't get the pacman or avon lady/dinner's ready metaphors, what are you guys on about

troll feeding habits

I typed an entire paragraph that Tom made redundant with three words.

same here:

Pac-Man = dude drops breadcrumbs you are meant to argue with / get offended by and thus give him the opportunity to espouse his views at length, just as a patient response to your questions and arguments (a.k.a. "trolling"), and while we'd all be better off just ignoring it, it's too tempting to start arguing

Avon lady = is invited to your house in a spirit of openness, but once her presence is starting to bother you, it's your house, and "free speech" is no reason not to tell her to get out so you can enjoy the rest of your day

hahaha but I am an idiot so I post mine instead of redacting it like Dan

lol black ppl can't be concise

troll genocide now
burn all bridges

lololo nabisco, good zing defense there!

us ashkenazis have a notoriously poor grasp of internet metaphors

a random group of non-chess players are shown a chess game in progress for 30 seconds

a random group of chess masters are shown a chess board in progress for 30 seconds

which group tested better at remembering the layout of pieces on the board?

sike

argh you are good at proofreading my posts

it should read something like "an arrangement of chess pieces on a chessboard"

The big problem with black people is that they don't start massive threads on the internet about how there isn't enough "miscegenation" of different ethnic musical styles.

The fuckers.

And how they have a problem with sounding "faux-white".

Seriously tho', I'm a bit shocked this crap made the front page of The Independent.

i opened up a time magazine at the doctor's office today and there was an infographic on the "in brief" page about how the average height of men is increasing. there was also a comparative graph of the average height of white men and black men over the last 50 years

thank you time magazine for improving the discus

tom i don't really have any great suggestions for an overview book because i'm in the field, so i tend to run towards journal articles. the other thing is that i'm coming from the liberal wing of the "soft" side of the field. so i tend to look at things from a particular (educative) focus, you'd get a different perspective from people who approached cog sci as computer scientists, yet another from neurobiologists, yet another from linguistics, yet another from classic psychologists, etc etc

i can say that as far as my engagement w/ the field goes (education context) the don of the field is howard gardner and the one to read is "the mind's new science".

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2007/12/17/071217crbo_books_gladwell

Malcolm Gladwell sometimes does me a solid by writing something both well-reasoned and interesting.

How is it that until I listened to the "New Yorker Out Loud" podcast and then read that Gladwell story, that I had never heard of the "Flynn effect?" It answers this shit so elegantly!

I know. It's frustrating how poor the reporting has been on this, as though most of the media either already wanted to believe what Watson told them or thought no way a famous geneticist dude could be wrong about anything.

It's sad too - the subject has already come up in several low-voiced conversations I've been party to, so it's clearly making the rounds and convincing some people of some pretty wrong-headed shit.

HOW TO SUCCEED AT INTERVIEWS

WHITES DON'T HAVE ENUF RIGHTS

I AM THE SMARTEST CAPSLOK POSTER ON THIS THREAD GO KNATLIPS!

are you saying Immanuel Kant had big lips?

QUIT HURTING YOU BRAINPIECE CLEVERBOY WITH TEH JOKE TRIES IT MAKES ME SAD LIKE YOUR MOM IS OH SHIT

waht

kantlips OTM

james watson talks to henry louis gates, jr

http://www.theroot.com/id/46667/output/print

JW: I was watching the basketball games yesterday. And I'm just trying to say, you dominate.

HLG: Oh, you mean black people?

JW: Yes.

That interview is great!

it really is though, beautifully handled by HLG

HLG is one of the best interviewers in the country right now, particularly when talking about racial issues.

HLG: I can't run. It's a good thing I was a good student because I wouldn't have made it. … My father, though, will be 95, June 8th, God willing. And my father, every time he passes a basketball court of black boys, young black men, he will say, "If we study calculus like we study basketball, we would be running MIT." So to him, it's not genetic. It's the fact that we're in basketball laboratories instead of math laboratories, all of our lives.

JW: Yes, and that's bad. Black kids have got to get different aspirations.

HLG: Right. But even you said, "You dominate us." You see what I mean? We have this image of being dominant as natural athletes.

JW: Well, one of my rules in my books is, take courses where you can get good grades.

goddamn someone please just take that old goat out back and shoot it

thing is if you watch the vids you can see he really is falling apart mentally

hlg does a great job of being genuinely respectful while still making his points forcefully

JW: You're bigger, and bolder, and rougher and tougher, in other words sucker, there is no other...wanna kiss yourself?

HLG: Security!

I like to think he was watching a Globetrotters game.

i didn't used to like hlg but he's been rolling the last few years.

but, but HE'S A RESPECTED SCIENTIST!

he also wants homosexual babies to be aborted, and women to be genetically prettier. and jol out.

-- darraghmac, Wednesday, 17 October 2007 15:27 (7 months ago) Link

Holy shit I keep finding all these old Jol bombs and they still make me laugh.

i totally missed all revives of this thread

moonship is yoga flame, and the avon lady made actual lols for this guy

OK guys and gals - a really serious plea for help here.

I have to compile a list of interview questions for an Oxford scientist to put to Jim Watson on Wednesday this week. The scientist wants to ask him about atheism and make the suggestion Watson should have made more fuss about that (ie does he more like wish he were Richard Dawkins) but I need more sensible (though they can be as mischievous and controversial as you like) questions urgently. Without too much flippancy, is there anything you would like to see Jim be pinned down to answer? Help!

Will email something :)

bumpity bump