Countdown: Jan 2008 -- The LOST Season 4 Anticipation Thread

january? fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

I know. :(

I'm going to just rewatch the series. Up to about ep5 of season 1.

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Probably it was significant that Sawyer & Juliet went back & we see Jack & Kate in the flash forward. The first two don't get rescued--which leads to unresolved feelings in the "fixer." I'm assuming everyone on the beach gets left behind--and I doubt Sun or Rose would leave. Yeah, the funeral has to be for Ben.

Remember when the doctor told Jack he was a hero "twice"? Hmm.
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See I was thinking they must of all went back. Who was Kate referring to when she said "I need to go. He'll ask questions." Probably too obvious to think Sawyer although I did.

I'm trying to figure out why Jack would want to go back to the island if everyone was rescued. I could see him--with his messiah complex--freaking out over not saving everyone. Naomi's people are the X factor here. Are Dharmans out for revenge or some whole new deal?

So I was figuring the funeral was Rose's?

* So is Mikhael actually dead now? I would assume so but he's already been "killed" like three times.

* The consensus is that Jack referring to his "father" in the future is just him being drugged up and confused? This seems like a stretch to me, but I can't remember whether we know 100 percent for sure that Jack's dad is dead. I thought we did.

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If so why would Jack say he wasn't a friend? (also paper clipping said "Man". I can't imagine it being any of the losties b/c I think he would call all of them friends. (Unless Locke goes completely off his rocker here soon.)

Everybody talk here, come on!

I'm sure someone would go to Rose's funeral. It was Ben's; he had no one off-island having lived there his whole life, none of the 815 survivors would have gone because fuck him you know?, and Jack was crying because A) if he had listened to Ben he would still be on the island, and B) Ben may have been the only living person who could've gotten him back onto the island.

re: Jack's dad. He did see his body on the morgue though the coffin was empty on the island.

I'm thinking there must be some sort of alternate universe thing going on. In the world we are watching, they lived Jack's dad died while in the world they're flashing back (forward?) to no one survived the crash and Jack's dad didn't die. Maybe by being rescued they've FUCKED IT ALL UP.

in the morgue, duh

so here's my theory. they get rescued, right, but they're going back to the wrong world/timeline/whatever. in the one they wind up in, something different happened, or maybe multiple things, and one of them is that 815 DID in fact crash into the ocean and everybody died. christian is alive. etc. and i'm sticking with this theory until AT LEAST tomorrow.

ooh XPish

grr, I knew the ILx LOST community would be divided if I started a new thread.

Should we call the people sticking to the old thread The Others?

yes! don't trust them.

There's this burbling electronic noise they use on the soundtrack for Lost during the "OMG CREEPY" scenes that sounds like the intro to "Rikki Don't Lost That Number" by Steely Dan.

re: Kate and "He'll be wondering where I am".

I read somewhere that the guy she married while she was a fugitive (Firefly cop-dude) is looking to re-appear in LOST, and his character is still looking for Kate. It's possible they in fact reconcile in the future.

The fact that they weren't accepting Christian Sawyer's prescription might mean that Jack had sunk low enough to try to write himself scrips in his dead father's name hoping no one would recognize the name. To actually have Christian alive & practicing medicine again? Doesn't fly.

I think he def. wrote that scrip himself and that may explain why he didn't want the pharmacist to call and check (dad alive, just didn't give him the scrip)

I think that something about Naomi's people (and how they conduct the "rescue") tips Jack off to the fact that Ben & Locke were right about the island. I also doubt that more than a few of them actually get rescued. Claire & Aaron, because of the vision, plus Jack, Kate, Ben and a bunch of no namers.

"Claire & Aaron, because of the vision"

which vision? did I miss something?

Desmond's vision. We didn't see it, he just told Charlie.

I watched the finale and was into it despite not seeing the rest of season 3.

So is season 4 going to be all about them trying to get back to the island? That would be funny.

Did Desmond arrive too late to warn them? They basically called the boat on the assumption that Naomi was working for his long-lost sweetheart, but now he knows that Naomi was probably lying. In any case, if rescue does come, Desmond is one person who's not likely to leave with them.

We haven't seen Desmond leave the Looking Glass yet. Who knows if he makes back to them in time.

Newspaper article

* The first sentence of the article Jack carries around in the flash-forward seems to read, "The body of Jo.. [unreadable] ..antham of New York was.. [unreadable] ..[shor]tly after 4 a.m. in the.. [unreadable] of Grand Avenue. Ted.. [unreadable] ..man at The Tower.. [unreadable] ..loud noises.. [unreadable].. loft. Co.. [unreadable] ..entered the.. [unreadable] ..a beam in the.. [unreadable] ..[ac]cordin[g].. [unreadable].."

There was a spoiler (from the producers?) about the finale a month back or so that said that the Lost camp would divide into two groups, one led by Jack & the other by Sawyer--but that the division would end up serving some 3rd party's interest.

First of all, Saayid is a better leader than either of those goons. Non-whiteness precludes leadership after all, though.

Second, who is the 3rd party-- Naomi's folks, Ben, Locke?

Who on the island has a name starting with Jo? hmm. . .

Agreed on Sayid although I think he's not that keen on being the leader.

Here's the weird bit - if Naomi's not working for Penny, why does she have a picture of her and Desmond together?

Jo = John Locke? He's also another guy not likely to have anyone attend his funeral, he doesn't have any family left outside the island, and the 815-ers hate him for trying to stop them from leaving.

x-post: whoever guessed the third party as penelope's pops, charles widmore has my vote. that would also explain the photo, right?

i remain a bit confused about whether benry and the others are now part of dharma or something else entirely, so it could also be the OG dharma dudes swooping back in?

or HANSO...

xp: if i recall she didn't know WHO she was working for.

who's hanso?

ahhh, yes. how could i forget hanso?
namaste, bitches.
http://www.thehansofoundation.org/

xposts nope, she definitely mentioned she was working for Penelope Widmore, but she said she never met Penny.

Jo = may be Ja? The article isn't that clear. James Ford? JACOB??

who's hanso?

This dude who makes samurai swords. LOST/Kill Bill crossover!

You know, the dead person could be somebody we don't know about yet.

It's funny how many people's theories are based on either a) OMG ONE/ALL OF THE CHARACTERS ARE REALLY DEAD AND DON'T KNOW IT or b) alternate universe bullshit. The former is so so so so played out and obvious at this point, and the latter is the biggest copout in the world. I'm going to be annoyed if it's either one of those.

hanso is so hot right now

Tail Section website thinks that a song Charlie was writing on the island was playing on Jack's car stereo. Anyone hear this?

I didn't get any sense of alternate universe stuff from the ending. It seemed like the island stuff happened, they escaped, and then Jack realized that it was actually the best time of his life, maybe?

so played out and obvious at this point,

The producers have said this is not the case.

To me the alt. universe theory seems to best way to explain the inconsistencies at this point. But I have complete faith that they are fucking with us and it will turn out to be something we can't imagine.

xpost Jack must have had a pretty shitty life.

xpost no no no he wasn't SUPPOSED to leave

I think Jordan is right; on the island Jack is a leader and a hero and has the possibility of hooking up with Kate; off the island he has lost Kate and is fucked up and has an ugly beard.

I didn't get any sense of alternate universe stuff from the ending. It seemed like the island stuff happened, they escaped, and then Jack realized that it was actually the best time of his life, maybe?

I hope the last episode of the series is Jack sat outside the airport as kate drives off. he looks down and smiles to himself, then we're treated to a slow-mo montage of all the fun times on the island (beating ben, in the net with kate, etc...) to Medley and Warne, and then finally cutting back to Jack as he looks to the camera and says "i sure did."

Judging from responses from the producers, and one interview with Michael Emerson, they've pretty much all said that the explanations lie in science, or pseudo-science. So I don't think any of them are dead except where they've REALLY died. and if they are dead and people are seeing dead people among them, then they might choose to explain it as some sort of mind-control thing.

Alternate universe = that one's not ruled out yet, because it's still somewhere in the realm of pseudo-science. I don't think this is it though, it is kind of a cop-out.

I'd say time has a lot to do with it, but weird time issues =! alternate universe.

"alternate universe," "alternate timeline," whatev.

Yeah, at least he shaved on the island.

xp: basically if you fuck with causality and that changes the future you are in essence in an alternate version of reality/time/the universe.

Hmm. Time travel. Maybe they show up back in the world before the plane crash happens (hence Christian being alive & drunk.)

why would they Oceanic golden tickets? Would the airline admit they fucked up and flew into a black hole or something?

You guys are kind of crazy.

Not Ms Misery, the rest of you.

:(

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MAYBE THE ISLAND IS AN ATOM IN GOD'S FINGERNAIL

there's something essential about what Jack and Kate have been lying about

STAY TUNED

xpp: MAYBE WE GOT TIL NEXT FUCKIN YEAR AND WE GOTTA KILL TIME SOMEHOW.

we can sing "99 bottles of beer on the wall" if you'd rather.

But Lost is kind of crazy too.

No disrespect to the thread title but isn't the new season starting in Feb.?

I looked it up and found 7 Jan 2008. Maybe that info was incorrect. Or I am stupid.

"Tail Section website thinks that a song Charlie was writing on the island was playing on Jack's car stereo. Anyone hear this?"

Wasn't the song playing on Jack's car stereo Nirvana? Something off In Utero?

x-post Ms. Misery

You may be right (& obv. not stupid.) I thought I'd read Feb. somewhere.

I thought it was Feb too, but I am glad to be wrong.

It was "Scentless Apprentice" in the scene where he drives to the funeral parlor.

But they may have been referring to when he drives to the airport at the end, I don't remember if there was music there or not.

some kinda Suskind shout-out?

I've re-searched and found Jan and Feb dates being thrown about. Nothing on ABC's site so who knows.

Cool interview here with Dominic Mon-whatever and the producers. (spoilers for finale obv).

Funny to know the actors dream of Lost, so do I!

The name of the dead man in the newspaper was (get ready for another philosopher) Jeremy Bentham, or Jeremy BENtham.

Also the newspaper is an April 5th, 2007 copy of the LA Times. So either no money was put into coming up with a prop paper or we're meant to believe the flashforward is happening now, 2 1/2 years later.

Ha ha-- "Hoffs Drawlar" (Funeral Home) is an anagram for Flash Forward.

I feel kind of sad that Charlie's "Greatest Hits" note is probably totally wet and unreadable now.

yeah I thought of that too. . .

He wrote it in Sharpie, it'll probably still be legible at least. OR THE ISLAND WILL RESTORE THE NOTE'S HEALTH.

Charlie's death seemed so stupid. Why wouldn't he have, like, shut the door with HIMSELF ON THE OTHER SIDE?

Hmmm, I hadn't thought of that. Perhaps he was committed to the idea of Desmond's vision needing to come true in order for Claire & Aaron to be rescued.

Yeah I think that's the obvious assumption there.

Yeah, it was Charlie wanting his life to serve some purpose through his death. If it meant Claire & Aaron being rescued, he was resigned to the fact he had to give himself up.

I think next season will still be on the island but instead of flashbacks, all flash forwards

there's something essential about what Jack and Kate have been lying about

I thought maybe they were bribed with an Oceanic Golden Ticket in exchange for never talking about the crash or something

and yeah I think Naomi working for Penny's dad is the best guess

so why was there a direct line to Penny in the Looking Glass hatch

I figured they were given the Golden Ticket so they could tour the chocolate factory.

DON'T TRUST SLUGWORTH.

I wonder if Mikhail is a semi-immortal Black Rock pirate with an eyepatch

I liked Juliette's audience-tweaking "joke" that they were breaking rocks to build a landing strip for teh aliens

in that one scene at the radio tower why why why would jack give ben his walkie back

u know he's gonna mindfuck ya

My boyfriend (who is not really a LOST watcher) suggested that it looked like Mikhail had sewn his eye lids together, and maybe he was hiding something in the socket (the missing bits of the orientation film?), which I thought was a cool theory.

Well, Mikhail is a dick, & that's a total dick move, so...

Simple question. . .could a grenade even go off underwater? Wouldn't the gunpowder get wet?

so the "sky turning purple" did not knock out the comms, it was all Ben

maybe he thought some of his own people were going to up and leave so he cut off their link to the mainland? with the bonus of blocking the survivors' radio attempts too.

If Desmond was on the island before the 815ers couldn't she had been trying to contact him sooner? Or has she only been trying since the hatch exploded?

so confusing.

No one answered me about the grenade!

Lot of explosives experts on the Lost thred.

Srsly though, I would imagine yes.

I could look it up online but I'm lazy.

It was an underwater station. Maybe they had a stockpile of underwater grenades in the weapons closet.

I'm still really interested to see how much Daddy Widmore is involved in all this, and I suspect that Desmond will end up being much more integral to the plot than we even know yet. I also think that somewhere down the line, Ben is going to become some kind of misunderstood hero type and was really telling the truth about the fact that The Others are the good guys (and that the people on the rescue ship really are there to kill anyone who gets in front of them).

I think a lot of people have guessed that there would be a common outside threat that would cause the Others and Losties to band together ... seems like that's where it's headed

But I wouldn't go so far as to call them good guys given their penchant for kidnapping and murder.

Well, the Losties have kidnapped and murdered now too.

The line between good and bad was blurred a long time ago.

also although it wasn't Rose's funeral in the flash-forward I could see how the possible unintended consequences of getting off the island (Rose has cancer again, Locke paralyzed, etc.) could drive Jack crazy

interesting how Jack was trying to relive his own "greatest hits" and fix some woman's spine

So anyway.... Juliet? Totally good person now or what? Anyone hate her for the kissy-kissy with Jack? In the future, Jack not only loses Kate but Juliet as well it seems.

I still hate Juliet.

This show's all about redemption. Juliet's going to win you over sooner or later by some act (possibly self-sacrifice).

Yeah Juliet sucks. She is totally getting killed at some point.

I very strongly doubt that Ben or Locke left the island. It seems rather obvious that Ben will usurp Ben's place in the Others hierarchy, and we're clearly going to get more story out of Ben.

My predictions for season 4:

Locke and Ben: Locke will usurp Ben, who has been thoroughly discredited and destroyed by the events of the past few episodes. Locke will join Richard at the "temple" and we will slowly learn more about what they've been doing, the history of the group formerly known as the others. Meanwhile, Ben will be a pariah and will plot some kind of revenge and/or attempt to avert some kind of disaster brought upon by the invading group. We will find out what happened to Annie from Ben's flashback, and it will most likely be that she died while pregnant with his child.

Desmond: Will most likely spend most of his time trapped in the Looking Glass. His first flashback will likely go back to when he was working alone in the Swan station. He will be found by the Rival Group, and he will know that they are the enemy but lie to them in order to get out of the station and attempt to contact Penny. I think there's a good chance that he won't get to pass that note to Claire for a good long time.

Sawyer, Juliet, Sayid, Hurley, Jin, and Bernard: Will most likely not be rescued. Juliet is in that group mainly for the purpose of having someone among them who will know things about the island, and their story will likely dovetail with Locke's at some point. Rousseau, Alex, and Karl will most likely join this camp as well, and we will finally see a Rousseau flashback.

Jack spend most or all of the season convincing people who were rescued to go back to the island with him. Kate will be the first on board.

I'm a little confused on the timeline -- for example, there's indication that the flash forward was in 2007, which is fine, but it kills one storyline that they spent a lot of time building up in recent episodes: Sun would give birth off of the island and would likely be okay. If they were going to send her back to the island while she is still pregnant, that would at least be some cheap drama. Then again, Sun and Rose may have refused to leave without their husbands and stayed behind.

Err, that Locke will usurp Ben.

If Desmond was on the island before the 815ers couldn't she had been trying to contact him sooner?

she has been trying to contact him since he disappeared in the boat I think ..... but it seems like she had a direct line from her "base" (or wherever she was) to the looking glass

They never did tell us what the hatch imploding did!

Sun would give birth off of the island and would likely be okay.

not necessarily? in the flash-forward (unless I missed it) he never said how long they had been rescued. maybe Jack makes the call that we saw in December 2004 and they don't get off the island until, say, early 2006. then the flash-forward is in April 2007.

I dunno why people seem to think that the Losties on the beach won't get rescued as well. If they're coming in via choppers then it's not very far getting from the radio tower to the beach. And Desmond mentioned that Claire and Aaron got on the helicopter on the beach itself.

I seem to get the idea from Jack's flashforward that leaving the island would be a mistake for ALL of the main characters, in the sense that they have nothing to go back to. If Jin and Sun go back, their problems with Sun's daddy is likely to return and destroy their marriage even if Sun survives her pregnancy. Rose's cancer is likely to return. Hurley's bad luck. Locke's paralysis. The rest (Sawyer, Kate, Sayid)... well, it's unclear what their fate might be. Kate ended up with somebody, I'm wondering if we're supposed to assume it's Sawyer. As far as unresolved issues go:

Kate = still a fugitive.
Sawyer = Cassidy, Clementine, possibly being framed for killing that guy in Australia.
Sayid = Nadia.

Only Desmond, Claire and Aaron seem likely to really benefit from leaving. And with Des, only on the condition that he manages to return to Penny.

hahaha I love Rose: "Jack if you say 'Live Together Die Alone' to me I'm gonna punch you in the face".

Has it been definitively stated anywhere that the actor who played Michael doesn't want to return? I remember someone on here saying that once, but I've never read it anywhere else. I think he could be a really interesting re-introduction at this point.

I think Kate's futureman is whatever Nathan Fillion's cop character's name was - her hubby. Just because, you know, more Nathan Fillion.

Supposedly Harold Perrineau is considering coming back but he has a new tv series on a rival network in the fall and also supposedly wants more $$$$ than they are offering etc etc.

I was thinking last night that the people still on the beach might get wiped out by the tsunami. I hope not, but they're pretty much sitting ducks.

Didn't we already establish that the tsunami is in, you know, the other ocean?

Who knows? All I remember hearing is that it would be dealt with somehow. Considering the tsunami shockwaves also crossed the entire planet, it's possible I guess.

Hmm, if they were near Fiji, I don't think so. . . Tsunami shockwaves:

http://worldatlas.com/aatlas/infopage/tsunami.gif

I think Kate's futureman is whatever Nathan Fillion's cop character's name was - her hubby. Just because, you know, more Nathan Fillion.

Yeah I hope so... I know he wants to come back on the show but it's really up to what the writers have planned so far.

Guys they are totally going to do a Jin raising a child alone (possibly in America) without any mention of Sun whatsoever flashforward. I said this on May 24th 2007 at approx 3 pm.

OK, so it's a crackpot theory but wikipedia says:

Some of the tsunami's energy escaped into the Pacific Ocean, where it produced small but measurable tsunamis along the western coasts of North and South America, typically around 20 to 40 cm (7.9 to 15.7 in).[36] At Manzanillo, Mexico, a 2.6 m (8.5 ft) crest-to-trough tsunami was measured. As well, the tsunami was large enough to be detected in Vancouver, Canada.

A lot of it depends on whether or not the island shares a plate with lower Asia. Europe and the Americas probably didn't feel the rumble, but the island might have.

Of course, nothing strange seems to actually faze anyone on the island. Big purple sky and screeching, deafening noise? Hmm...oh look, a coconut!

I like the idea of what they are capable of with the forward flashes, storywise, and I'm sure they won't abandon the flashback (otherwise they have been flat-out lying about season 4 Rousseau flashback), but I am a bit worried that they will get carried away with crazy story-telling devices and lose focus on the story itself.

i feel the opposite, nickalicious, the flash-forwards are such a simple and elegant BIG SWITCHEROO that i have tons of faith in their storytelling prowess from here on out. i was worried about all the weird ass PK Dick stuff people were talking about coming true, which is fun on the internet but wouldn't have left so many open questions yet to be resolved.

also why are so many people assuming the rescue will happen right away? i know this is L O S T and we shouldn't take anything for granted but for now i'm going to trust the GIANT FUCKING HINTS they've dropped about the people on the boat not being who they say they are and that there will still be at least a season or two of on-island action w/ flashes both forward and back before any large-scale rescue.

re: tsunami

i think if they're somewhere near Fiji, they might get slightly bigger waves but nothing really substantial. Malaysia, which is considerably closer to the tsunami, had massive ten-foot waves but suffered very little damage compared to Thailand because it was protected by Sumatra. And Australia suffered no damage at all.

Places really far away felt the impact of the tsunami because the waves amplified as you got further away. But even if the waves might be bigger, they're not likely to be dangerous enough to kill the Losties on the beach. OR MAYBE (crackpot theory of the hour)... it hits the outside of whatever bubble they're in and causes a massive tsunami generating within the Island bubble itself. Sort of like tapping the outside of a bottle.

Serious question: When did it come up that the island is near Fiji? Did Naomi say that?

'Cause I missed it, and Lostpedia is hosed right now.

In the pilot, the, er Pilot mentioned turning back towards Fiji, didn't he?

and the flight route from Sydney to LA suggests they shouldn't be anywhere near the tsunami's epicentre.

xposts the only hint that the rescue guys are BAD is that Penny doesn't know about Naomi or the boat. I kind of think Ben only made up the story about Naomi not being who says she is to stop them from getting up to the radio tower. "I'm gonna talk them out of it." "I just can't let them leave." etc. Ben manipulates people - he knows they're just in the dark about Naomi as he is and he'd do anything to make them think that she's lying.

But yeah, rescue is not going to come straight away, there's three seasons to go and the big mystery really is... "what is the island?" No real action is going to take place outside it unless this is resolved.

ok sorry for ANGRY CAPITALIZATION above, i'm overcaffeinating to compensate for L O S T withdrawal

Ben was surprised to learn Naomi was there. How could he know who she was unless maybe someone's tried to come on the island like that before.

Also what Nick said re: location.

i'm gonna take ben at his word, i think turning him into a sort of sympathetic prophet-in-the-wilderness is totally something they'd do.

I was willing to believe that until he shot Locke and left him for dead. Ben is a major liar.

I'm not really buying this tsunami stuff .... I don't listen to the podcast, though

i was worried about all the weird ass PK Dick stuff people were talking about coming true

I think the theory of "something that happened on the island changed everything and now they are back home but in the wrong timeline" is still possible

e.g. Ben to Jack "you're not supposed to make that call"

Hey wait why didn't Locke shoot Ben? WTF LOCKE, GROW A PAIR.

i think he's a bit like swearingen in deadwood, out for himself, but still vulnerable to larger forces which are perhaps more destructive in their self-interest. i don't think he'll be entirely vindicated but i trust him to be right about keeping naomi's people out. i agree with whoever above said that he's probably had dealings with them before.

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Man, Locke throwing a knife into that chick's back was incredibly cold blooded.

Well, it was practical. The knife could move faster than his broke-ass feet.

And then afterwards it's like "well if you really want to make that rescue call, I guess I won't do anything to stop you".

If there's anything we've learned about Locke, it's that he ultimately weasles out of confrontation.

my wife's comment was "if he can't kill his own dad after all he did to him there's no way he can kill Jack"

although the instructions he's getting from the island / Jacob / Walt do seem to give him more confidence in his actions

I've always loved that about the Locke/Jack relationship: Locke seems like he has always liked and respected Jack, even at Jacks multiple pinnacles of douche-osity.

Sawyer: So are you screwing Jack?
Juliet: No...are you?

Just occurred to me: Ben had to have temporarily unjammed communications a few times, because he showed video of Juliet's sister to her and when he saw the plane breaking up over the island he sent someone off to gather the flight manifest presumably from sources they have on the mainland. How long has he been jamming and unjamming communications? How long had he been lying about it to the rest of the Others? He, Juliet and the Aquahotties (and Mikhail later on) seem to have been the only Others with knowledge that The Looking Glass was still operational and being used in this way.

Not that any of this means much. I'm just gathering my notes.

I thought he only started jamming after Desmond turned the failsafe key .... maybe using the "purple sky" event as an opportunity to regain and consolidate control over the Others

the Juliet video was way earlier

Yeah, I'm happy that it seems the PK Dick stuff I speculated about before didn't come to pass--or at least seems less likely. It's much better storytelling and more compelling without the OMG they implanted memories and shit in their brains.

Hey, I just realized, Hurley killed someone! Did he ever (intentionally) do that before?

Is it Christmas on-Island yet? Christmas Eve?

OMGWTFOMG! (= season finale, but written here. Threads move fast on ILX)

Kate's "He'll be wondering where I am" or the likes: I think it's Sawyer she's living with. It's kinda Kate's destiny, stuck between two men (Sawyer and Jack).

Also: Jack's beard and medicine/alcohol addiction kinda makes him likable again, dunnit?

Oh, and was it really Jin/Sun sitting behind him in the plane, in the very first scene of this episode?

Oh, also, Vincent is back! More Vincent!

Vincent is back?

amazing. fantastic. so much to take in.

pretty much everyone got to do something cool. hurley, sayid, charlie, desmond, mikhail...so good.

i guess charlie felt he wouldn't have time to escape thru the porthole once the pressure dropped as he had to warn des. it was all really well done tho i thought. rip aquababes esp. the brunette.

lack of alpert and jacob revelations was the only real disappointment, and still no whispers and cindy explanations. no jack/claire relation reveal. no explan of christian's whereabouts.

dunno about it being ben in the coffin - why would ben be in LA? tho the paper cut-out mentions new york? baaah

it seems absurd that jack would want to go back to the island so bad. they weren't actually there that long. his life wasn't THAT messed up before the crash.

i assume penny is broadcasting a video msg to the region they detected the surge and the LG picked this up. but did she just get lucky or has she been at the console 24/7 since the surge detection?

very selfish of locke to want to keep everyone on the island for his own sake (assumng that's why he killed naomi). first time he has killed someone? the island is not going to like this - makes him a 'bad' person now? unless it protects the island...

too much not enough! all three finales have been so great, can't tell if this was the best but great for action/DEATHS

it seems absurd that jack would want to go back to the island so bad. they weren't actually there that long. his life wasn't THAT messed up before the crash.

I figured this was the big mystery/cliffhanger. Something obviously happened between where we left them and leaving the island. We'll just have to wait (probably) years to find out. Thoughts like that make me wish I never bothered, though I secretly love it.

Yeah, part of me is so mad they're going to drag this out for 3 more years. But I know if they wrapped it all up next season, I'd miss it terribly. EVIL PRODUCERS!

Something obviously happened between where we left them and leaving the island.

duh

no one has mentioned sayid breaking dude's neck with republican guard neck twist

-- cutty, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:53 (23 hours ago) Link

This was absolutely hilarious. I am really glad that fucking beefcake Price got killed too, he was basically Pickett 2.0. In fact I also was pleased that Sawyer brutally killed Tom, just to see how freaked everyone else was.

And Ben getting beaten was great too.

One thing I don't quite get, are we to believe that Jack was seeing these flash forwards in his head during this episode? I mean I always assumed with flashbacks the characters are thinking back to moments in their lives, but how is he thinking forward to moments in his life.

I'm not sure about a parallel universe storyline, it seems a bit complex but maybe.

I think the definite implication is that some bad shit has happened between the rescue and beardo Jack breakdown and he now realises what a mistake he made.

Is it possible it's not simply that Jack enjoyed his time on the island, but that the island creates some kind of bond with people? Or, given that Jack.

As for who is and isn't rescued, isn't there a good chance Desmond and some others won't be rescued because of Des knowing that it's not Penny's boat?

I'd loosely speculate that whoever the rescuers are have some ludicrous plan to build Jurassic Park on the island and charge people to come and visit. Well, not that, but they are big money island ruiners and Losties and Others will obv have to unite against them.

Also is Jack's flashforward possibly the very very end of the show? The island has been fucked up and pillaged and they can't go back. Seems possible. I reckon we won't know who was in that coffin for a long time.

oops not sure what that "or, given that jack" was supposed to be about

i'm really curious to see the temple that ben wanted to get his people to.

i'm assuming the temple is somehow related to the four toed statue remains, and totally can't wait to know more about that shit!!!

http://lost.cubit.net/forum/gallery/1_02_10_06_10_40_23.jpg

and i too feel really manipulated by this show, and ultimately wish i hadn't gotten into it until it was already over and i could just watch it all at once, the way i did with 'twin peaks' since i didn't have a tv when that was on the air...

then again, there's something nice about this tension and anticipation, as well -- especially at a time when the other 'stories' i care about are all ending ('sopranos') or about to shortly ('the wire').

O
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just watched. awesome. love this show.

i liked how nirvana was playing in jack's jeep so we wouldn't know the year just that jack likes to rock out while high

"scentless apprentice" was always my least favorite IN UTERO track but now i dunno.

not that i was huge into nirvana.

they were no blackhappy

i don't think Jack was seeing his own future as it were. the idea that that ends up being the very last scene of the final ever episode would probably end up a let down, but joining the dots, slowly and painfully, is gonna be fun i guess.

Also is Jack's flashforward possibly the very very end of the show? The island has been fucked up and pillaged and they can't go back. Seems possible. I reckon we won't know who was in that coffin for a long time.

I've been thinking the same thing. Atleast the part about the coffin.

i don't think Jack was seeing his own future as it were

what was this then? it seems a bit disingenuous if they now say "well the others were flashbacks where the characters remembered stuff, but this was just where we decided to show you some neat shit from the future to make the finale great".

I don't think it's going to be the last scene in the final episode, just that the events therein may not be explained fully until the conclusion of the show.

it seems a bit disingenuous if they now say "well the others were flashbacks where the characters remembered stuff, but this was just where we decided to show you some neat shit from the future to make the finale great".

i think this is exactly what they're doing. surely it's better than making Jack out to be having Desmond-esque visions for no apparent reason?

Supposedly Harold Perrineau is considering coming back but he has a new tv series on a rival network in the fall and also supposedly wants more $$$$ than they are offering etc etc.

His CBS pilot didn't get picked up so now he's talking about "working something out" with the Lost producers.

As for the flashbacks-in-character's-heads thing-- I didn't notice the noise that usually indicates a flashback is kicking in.

I haven't gotten the impression that all the flashbacks are the characters remembering.

yeah i can't remember when they've come back from a flashback to show the person looking deep in thought/distracted as if they were actually thinking about it themselves at that precise point. it's deliberately ambiguous so they can introduce flash-fwd concept now tho perhaps.

i was gasping and cheering all thru this episode but the end felt a bit sharkjumpy and i groaned - but this was more because it WAS the end for now i think. it's a very big deal to show rescue aftermath tho - you might say it even CHANGES the GAME story-wise, and there's no turning back.

if S4 is ALL flashbacks to island that could be potentially awesome but would there be enough interesting 'real world' stuff happening to the characters in the meantime. Jack's scenes with ex wife, in hospital etc. were pretty dull as usual. the producers seem to be suggesting the show is going on a different approach now?

i did always want to see Hurley come back and see his businesses/fortune having been guzzled up by people he doesn't even know tho.

i think this is exactly what they're doing. surely it's better than making Jack out to be having Desmond-esque visions for no apparent reason?

oh I agree it's better than that, but it's still a bit lame, don't you think?

as for the flashbacks, often it seems they are very much related to what's going on on the island, but I suppose it's possible they're not meant to be remembering them.

but in some cases they OBVIOUSLY are, eg Jack seeing Desmond etc. and probably countless other times.

as for the flashbacks, often it seems they are very much related to what's going on on the island, but I suppose it's possible they're not meant to be remembering them.

Isn't the main character of the flashback not always in the scene? I'm thinking in the Jin/Sun marriage flashback there have to been scenes where it was just Jin and vice versa. They can't be having the same memory at the same time.

Also, I didn't think Jack was aware that he had seen Desmond before. But I could be wrong. That was many episodes ago.

Have there ever been scenes in the flashbacks that don't include the character involved in the flashback? Like, for example, in an episode with Jack-related flashbacks, a flashback to a scene when Jack wasn't present? Or is the character always present in every flashback?
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Also, I didn't think Jack was aware that he had seen Desmond before. But I could be wrong. That was many episodes ago.

he says "you!" I think.

I guess it's quite ambiguous, that's a good point about Jin/Sun, I just think they've taken a hefty artistic license with all these flashbacks and now a flash-forward. This sort of approach is probably one of the key strengths of the show though I guess (and also the thing people criticise the most, the pacing sometimes seems more important than the plot)

It was good to see WAAAAAAAAAAAALT again. He has a good voice.

there was such good audience in-joking in this:

- Charlie singing 'you all everybody' really annoyingly
- Ford saying 'ya SCREWIN' Jack yet?'
- Rose telling Jack to cio re 'live together die alone'

if only Locke had said to Walt "balls dropped huh? it's the island lil dude!"

it was a bit disturbing just how merciless the survivors are now when it comes to killing Others. OTH i felt like jumping for joy when Sayid snapped dude's neck WITH HIS FEET.

a lot of this was already said but it bears repeating

i assume penny is broadcasting a video msg to the region they detected the surge and the LG picked this up. but did she just get lucky or has she been at the console 24/7 since the surge detection?

I believe the latter. It looked like she was in some kind of study or library, she's probably got the gear rigged up in her home.

I love TAKE TWO AND KILL THE REST Sayid.

I love TAKE TWO AND KILL THE REST Sayid.

That's what I said when he snapped the neck.

Someone upthread otm about Jack being a likeable beardy drugged fuck up.

I don't think there will be a rescue here, even a partial one - as it would have to lead to a big news story and everyone getting off the island in a matter of days.

Maybe S4 could be a courtroom drama where they endlessly try to work out who all the murderers are and send the bad guys back to the island.

S5 could be Papillon or Escape from Alcatraz.

the beard suits Jack. it makes him look more intelligent.

I guess how we feel watching the Losties murder the Others is one of the great things about episodes like last night.

I mean...I found myself cheering on Sawyer's evil destructive murder of Tom. He is a great character, I like the way they haven't just papered over him murdering Cooper, and now he's kind of off the rails.

i was sad to see Tom die in the end. he had spared the lives of the three after all, dude was losing faith in Ben, mellowing...ah well.

Some of you guys are trying to put way too rigorous a structure on the flashbacks. Sometimes it's a reminiscence, sometimes it's just showing an event in the past, independent of whether a given character is thinking about that event or not.

Also: Jack in the "real world" was the present, the scenes on the island were the flashback. No flash-forwarding necessary.

And: seriously? There are people who think that these scenes with Jack off of the island are going to be the final scenes of the series, chronologically speaking? Because that kind of doesn't make sense on any level.

and those tabloid vultures never did discover for sure that he was gay. xp

This rescue thing. They make the call, the helicopter(s) come. Why wouldn't the helicopters crash like Naomi's did (assuming we're meant to think the island killed Naomi's helicopter)?

i was sad to see Tom die in the end. he had spared the lives of the three after all, dude was losing faith in Ben, mellowing...ah well.

Actually I think Tom was questioning Ben's apparent order to put bullets in the sand rather than shoot them, he said pretty clearly and passionately "we should've killed them for real". Tom was fun and seemed nice enough, but he was pretty loyal to his people. Sawyer was right not to trust him. Also Jack telling Tom he was going to come kill him over the walkie was really kind of heart-rending; these guys were broing down on some pigskin barely a week(?) ago.

When did Ben tell Tom to shoot in the sand? Were they speaking code?

I think Sawyer was right to shoot him. Their trusting (or at least not being on the offense) in the Others up until now has cost them. Should have killed Ben when they had the chance.

Most of what I wanted to say has already been said but:

a) They are definitely not going to be rescued now although we were certainly supposed to connect present-time Jack's "I made the wrong decision" to the island-time Jack deciding to use the satellite phone. Perhaps this phone call, while not getting them rescued, starts a chain of events that does lead to getting them rescued. Or perhaps it is an entirely different decision that Jack is reffering to. It would be cool perhaps if at some point each lostie is given a choice as to whether they want to stay or leave the island.

b) It was already said upthread but nothing that great has happened to Jack on the island so far except I dunno, leader bullshit. He must discover the secret of the island before being rescued or something. If Ben/Locke know the amazing secret the island holds (immortality perhaps?) why don't they just tell everyone.

c) I REALLY don't think that they will replace flashbacks entirely with flash-forwards because this will essentially reveal who gets off (/survives) the island leaving no room for character deaths in the coming seasons.

d) Character in the coffin is definitely someone we haven't met yet.

When did Ben tell Tom to shoot in the sand? Were they speaking code?

I thought Tom was disregarding Ben's orders, esp. since the other Other was giving Tom shit about not killing them (just before the Hurley Party Van rolled in).

i'll have to watch again but i thought Tom had told Pickett 2.0 to shoot the sand and Pickett 2.0 was questioning this but Tom shares Alpert's doubts over Ben now?

Sawyer shooting Tom was good payoff for "you and me ain't done Zeke" tho

Tom wanted to kill them, Ben wanted them to bluff, Tom was telling Price that Ben had lost it, etc.

Ben wanted them to bluff

Were we told this? My Lost watching skills are abysmal.

Presumably Ben telling Tom to fake shooting the hostages was done off-camera, not in code.

Tom said something like "We shouldn't have shot into the sand, we shoudl have shot them for real, Ben is losing it," which implies (to me) that Ben ordered them to fake the shooting.

I really don't see why Ben would want to bluff. He seeemed pretty intent on killing people when they were planning the beach swoop.

BECAUSE HE LIKES FUCKING WITH PEOPLE'S HEADS

it's balls man. he did not intend bluff.

Maybe he wanted the sand shot to make sure Nicki & Paolo were truly dead. Hater.

Maybe he thought he could try and use them again later for bartering.

ARGH this is why this thread is annoying, you guys are making this way more convoluted than it needs to be. Why would Ben's subordinates go against his orders and not kill the hostages? Tom is clearly not happy about it, so he obviously didn't come up with the idea. If it was the other guy's idea, then Tom would have been pissed at him, not at Ben. So the only other option is that Ben ordered the fake shooting. Plus, THEY BASICALLY SAY THIS VIA TOM'S DIALOGUE.

Plus Ben's reaction when Jack finds out on the walkie that the hostages are alive is this little grin, like GOTCHA, not anger or disappointment.

Chillax Nick. What else are we supposed to do than explore every convulted or dead-end theory we can.

I agree with you, based on Tom's comment, that the obv. explanation is Ben ordered the bluff. However this show seems to leave nothing hanging which makes me suspect that may not be the case since we never saw/heard Ben give that order.

maybe maybe maybe but there's no way ben was 'acting' when he talked about killing people. he empthasised it too many times. so this is REALLY stupid if the case. it would've made much more sense for Tom to not want to kill them and just disobey Ben (presumably Tom 'outranks' this Price dude also).

Nick I think you misunderstand. (Some) people here are questioning his reasons for bluffing rather than whether he bluffed or not.

I understand that, but I would rather appreciate the fact that the makers of Lost respects the viewers by letting some things be implied rather than directly stated than assume that they are just fucking with me.

xpost uh blueski has stated a couple of times that he doesn't think Ben ordered the fake shootings

it would've made much more sense for Tom to not want to kill them

This doesn't make any sense at all, since 20 seconds after the fake shootings Tom is freaking out about having to pretend to shoot them!

Does anyone remember in the Kate/Sawyer cage sex episode, Pickett said something to the effect that Tom and Price "wrote the book" on aggressive jungle sex?

I'm not convinced Ben ordered the bluff but don't rule it out either.

Lost respects the viewers by letting some things be implied rather than directly stated than assume that they are just fucking with me.

It's not a matter of insulting our intelligence rather than fucking with us. I wouldn't be suprised if they're holding back some card which would explain this twist along with adding a new one.

n/a yeh it doesn't make sense in THAT context but i'm talking about what the writers could/should have done beforehand.

would anyone at least agree with me that Ben talking about killing so much before (on camera) only to then at some point tell his cronies 'oh btw don't actually kill them when i order you to' OFF camera is just really lame?

Ben has killed before (his own Dad if no-one else) and Jack forced him into an ultimatum (as in, no time to pussyfoot anymore) whereby his character wouldn't have had any qualms about killing at that point. what more could he get from Jack and co by threatening the captured trio's lives REALLY? Jack was hellbent on rescue so it was too late.

I don't think it matters about whether Ben is capable of killing or not.

I think it was weird strategically that he didn't kill them because, why keep them alive? Jack thinking they're dead is the same as them being dead. Nothing left to barter with.

Unless he thought he could suddenly go "oh btw they're alive" and try and bluff again. Anyone got any other theories? Did he just have to pretend to kill them because he didn't expect Jack to call his bluff?

I think the last possibility is the most likely.

Maybe he wanted the sand shot to make sure Nicki & Paolo were truly dead.

Truly LOLed at this.

Another possibility is that Ben is worried of possible ramifications of ordering three murders if everyone is actually "rescued".

Although not sure he and all the Others haven't already committed enough crimes to make that possibility moot.

Jack thinking they're dead is the same as them being dead. Nothing left to barter with.

exactly. it just doesn't make sense and not in the good way. but whatever i still loved it anyway.

it would have been better if the 3 shots heard was smoke monster surfing Locke killing the 3 others holding them hostage.

Also how does everyone feel about the probability of Jack or Kate dying over the course of the next 3 seasons suddenly becoming zero?

The future isn't set in stone! Hence it being "the future".

perhaps Desmond will have major bearing on altering Jack and Kate's and others future. But i'm with others who think the alt-timeline thing is a bit of a cop out.

I think the alt-timeline thing is something the writers will flirt with but have no intention of going through with.

the more i think about it the more i hate idea of Jack and Kate final scene being something that takes place after anything else we see in the show until the end - bearing in mind they'd have to jump forward a lot to have that happening in 'real time'. if the show carried on at same time/pace the final episode of the sixth season would only be happening in April/May 2005?

The future isn't set in stone! Hence it being "the future".

Jack's newspaper was from April 2007. The Island story was a flashback from current events. Much as I favour the "possible future" idea as it means JacKate could still die, I think it's unlikely.

Time fuckery is still a big issue for me. Like Alpert not getting old and Ben refering to killing the Dharmans as "not so long ago" plus a reference a while back to time being "different" on the island.

Also it makes it easier for Walt to keep growing faster than everyone else.

One thing I noticed that no-one's mentioned yet. Jack's "future" beard is proper dark brown while his island beard is Juliet flecked with lots of grey.

It's not your problem, but I keep on thinking this thread is about the comic book series.

the more i think about it the more i hate idea of Jack and Kate final scene being something that takes place after anything else we see in the show until the end

I mean, who knows if that's the case, maybe all the other flash forwards will involve Jack trying to convince any other survivors to return with him and in the final season he finds the island again

why assume the flash forward is "the very very end" ?

I guess I'm saying the show doesn't necessarily have to proceed at the same pace

while his island beard is Juliet

looloollollol!

I like to think that maybe Walt is somehow really on the island now and when we return to the island in season 4 it is actually a couple years down the line from Dec 04 where we left off and Walt is exactly the age he is supposed to be. Plus I've always kind of wanted them to do a 2-years-later season with elaborate tree-top residences and relationships all shook up with no context for us (except in on-island flashbacks that are things that have occurred SINCE we last saw island peoples).

W O W

unmentioned: everyone heard smokey in the moments before Walt showed up, right?

OMG, I totally cheered and whooped when Hurley came trundling through the trees knocking Others down like skittles. But also I TOTALLY knew they were setting Hurley up for a big hero thing!!!

I got the impression that the flash forward was more a general 'this kind of thing could happen in the future if we leave the island' type thing. Someone dying - could be anyone?? - and all Losties so game-changed by island experience they can't connect with normal Earth people. So no-one turns up to funerals etc (probably no-one knows about it if it's some tiny newspaper article). I really doubt it's a definite event. Perhaps even Jack imagining right now because what Ben says about there being nothing left for him back home rings true.

There's no way they're getting rescued any time soon. It took them a whole series just to find the hatch. FWIW I think Ben's right about ship of doom hence Penny not knowing anything about it. Desmond to save the day.

Haha my stupid theory while watching it: Beardy Jack is in fact twin brother of real Jack and somewhere along the line they swapped identities/loser twin assumed Jack's identity after crashing- so island-Jack isn't a big shot doctor or anything. And the real Jack was going to be in the coffin. Doesn't really work but I was convinced the beard was a clue.

Why WERE aqualadies down there??

I really doubt it's a definite event. Perhaps even Jack imagining

I would be super pissed off if that happened

Why WERE aqualadies down there??

Ben secretly sent them down there to turn the signal-jamming back on but told all of the other Others that they were on a "mission to Canada" to explain their disappearance

i wonder what they did, all alone there, underwater, for such a long time

Mmm, I wonder too.

The whole jamming thing … okay, Mikhail is communicating with Dharma to arrange food drops. That's unaffected by Ben's/Aquahotties signal jamming, which the Others don't know about to prevent them from totally losing it in the face of being totally cut off from the world. Stops Rousseau's signal though.

Locke destroys Mikhail's station, now Dharma knows something's up since food drop signals have stopped – they send a ship (Naomi) to investigate. Ben freaks since he doesn't want Dharma crawling all over the island again. Widmore now also knows, though, and will now show up at some point. But Dharma will show up first in force.

I think Locke's in the coffin (despite what the clipping says) since I see the show's main conflict being between Jack (reason) and Locke (faith) – in the future/present day, Jack accepts Locke's pro-island stance but realizes it too late.

Just thinking aloud. Loving the flash-forward (or as I think of it, making the island sequences the flashbacks instead, reversing the show structure).

i wonder what they did, all alone there, underwater, for such a long time

practicing their diving, amirite

<i>Heavens! And then they all lezzed up ;-)</i>

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GAH NU-CODE

OMG that final episode! I actually punched the air when Hurley came through in the hippy van and ran over that Other, and then shouted 'YES!' when Sayid broke the dude's neck with his legs.

As for theories, there's got to be something in what Ben was saying about everyone dying if they got off the island. And Ben certainly seemed to know whoever was on the boat out there. They are so not going to get rescued for ages, lest we forget that no one has managed to fly over the island without crashing, like that helicopter's going to be any different.

I kind of liked the idea that they do eventually get off the island and it is the wrong decision, it's Jack's fault and lots of the original characters get bumped off in the real world, one by one. Seeing this in flash forwards would be kinda cool, and kind of depressing in a 'three seasons of utter futility' way.

But actually, I think it's going to be the Really Boring Occam's Razor Theory. This is the first time we actually see Jack admit his feeling for Kate. I get the feeling Jack and Kate are going to end up having jungle sex sometime soon, but when they get back to the real world (whenever that is), she has to go on the run with Sawyer. Kate is forced to choose outlaw runaway life with Sawyer over doctor's wife life with Jack. So no alternate timelines, to flash forwards, just Lost finally ending with Jack being emo forever.

I meant NO flash forwards. Durr.

I like Brakhage's thinking.

responding to something way way upthread, it's true that the flash-forward messes up some of the more out-there, Smokey-related theories of what the flashbacks represented

but there were tons of times where they implied that the character was literally thinking about the past. all the opening eyeball shots for example. and one I remember where it was a Jack / Christian flashback and Jack wakes up with a jump in his Others cell like he had just been dreaming about his dad. and later that episode he heard his dad's voice on the intercom.

true, jack be haunted

Naomi/her ship could well be Dharma but wonder how she would know about Desmond and how she got the photo...and why she'd pretend to be from Widmore.

Did Ben just suspect she wasn't who she said she was or did he know? He seemed genuinely shocked when he learned she'd turned up on the island lie he did when he learned they had a boat (Desmond's). I am sick of dude bluffing/acting so much!

i'd love to see them do a whole season of "we've got to get back on that island!".

why assume the flash forward is "the very very end" ?

Once again, I have no idea. Why does anyone think that this is the case? It makes no narrative sense and would make for the most annoyingly pointless ending ever. It's much more likely that the "flash forward" (which is more likely just the present day, or at least not 2004) from the season finale is the beginning of a progression of present-day events that we will watch unfold in the upcoming seasons.

I think maybe the gamechanger is a little too massive for some people to logically wrap their heads around. For the moment, anyway. Like the whole "OMG why would Jack want to go back to the island his future life isn't that bad" thing. Well, he probably has good reasons that, like many other things on this show (that we really should be used to being mindfucked by after three years), have not been revealed to us yet.

I think maybe the timeframe is the thing that's troubling some people? Like......why are people contesting whether people are going to get rescued? It may not happen soon relative to December 2004, and so the rescue may not be shown anytime soon, but it clearly happens sometime to some survivors. The next season will likely be dealing both with a continuation of the 12/04 timeline and the new, "present-day" timeline. We will see at least some of the rescue-ees, even if we don't see when or how they were rescued for awhile.

Ha. Maybe we'll see them get off the island in via flashbacks at the same time they return to the island in the present. Actually, now that I think of it, I'd almost lay money on things playing out in exactly that fashion.

It's funny since so many of the flashbacks revolve around the character's regrets of their pasts; now the flashbacks can involve regrets of what they did (or didn't do, or allowed to happen) on the island.

Locke destroys Mikhail's station, now Dharma knows something's up since food drop signals have stopped – they send a ship (Naomi) to investigate.

excellent theory, this.

It's been established that Dharma, the Others, the Hostiles, Widmore, Locke, etc etc think of the island as being worth killing to 'preserve'. Jack's trauma says to me that in seasons 4–6 people escape the island (not everyone I would assume) but that the island still exists and its magicalness is preserved – or that its magicalness is being perverted or used for nefarious purposes by Dharma/Widmore/DoD/GlaxoWellcome/Disney, and Jack helped that to happen. Jack's talking about 'lying' means to me that they've been instructed/bribed to keep silent about the island. But he's known as a 'hero' (and this grates) for helping them escape it.

No chance that the final scene of S3 finale is the end to the show; I don't see them going that route for some reason.

hurley, sayid, and sawyer all excelled themselves.

i didn't really feel the game was changed tho.

no-one assumes the final scene is the last thing to happen, its just a possibility if not a likely one.

and it seems quite obvious that something happens we haven't seen yet to make Jack want to go back. but everything else around him seemed v normal so it's v difficult to imagine what it could be.

i would expect both locke and ben to die on the island in the end tho it would be funny to see Ben queuing in a supermarket, hanging out in a bar trying to pick up women etc.

And I would dismiss the 'alternate timeline/universe' idea because the producers have slagged the 'going back in time to change stuff so that we never had to go back in time' thing in Heroes. So this is it, what happens happens. Jack's dad being alive is the weird thing, though. Did he resurrect once his body crashed? Is he Jacob?

Watching Ben chat people up = spinoff comedy gold

'It's very very important … listen to me now … it's very important that you have a drink with me. Right. Now.'

Dharma [...] they send a ship (Naomi) to investigate.

i think if naomi were dharma she would be wearing dharma-emblazoned clothes and all of her gear would be plastered with the symbol. because dharma can't seem to help putting that thing everywhere (even berlin!).

so i think she's not dharma.

my theory is that penny and her father became estranged following desmond's disappearance at sea. penny is searching for des with the help of the portugese, and her father is separately searching because he wants to find des in order to make up with penny. and probably spying on penny's antarctic monitoring station.

anyway, naomi works for father widmore, which explains why she knows who penny is but has never met her, and why she has the picture of desmond and penny, and why it was

NOT
PENNY'S
BOAT

(poor charlie).

xpost, haha

the only reason widmore knows where the island is is because of the hatch failsafe/blowing up thing--not because of mikhail and the drops

The big question for me is-- Why does Jack want to go back to the island?
We seem to be assuming that it's because his after-island life sucks, or that no longer feels heroic, or someone (Juliet?) was left behind. None of these would really explain why he'd think Kate would also want to go back,
(unless Sawyer--or Kate's baby with him--was also left behind.)

Something to consider is the mythology we've been given. Perhaps something important was happening on the island. There was that Valenetti (or ?) Equation, of which The Numbers were factors, that supposedly predicted the date of the end of the world. Perhaps Dharma or Hanso or the Others/Jacob/Mittelos were working on somehow altering that equation, by different means of course (Black/White, Science/Faith.)

Perhaps Jack fucks up this work. Perhaps Ben tells him when the world's going to end, giving him no reason to go on living. Maybe he wants to go back to island to try to "fix" the world.

We can assume that some characters stayed on the island voluntarily-- Locke, Rousseau, Richard, Ben, and the other Others, possibly Sawyer.
Maybe we'll get the story of what happened to them between Dec. 2004 & today, while we simultaneously see Jack's efforts to return.

I foresee a scene where Jack, realizing he'll have to travel by boat, tracks down Michael & tries to get him to tell him how he sailed from the island to the mainland (or wherever.)

The Valenzetti equation stuff was from the Lost Experience so some may not be familiar with it. This is from Lostpedia:

"According to the 1975 orientation film in the Sri Lanka Video, the Valenzetti Equation "predicts the exact number of years and months until humanity extinguishes itself." In it, Alvar Hanso also states that the radio transmitter on the Island, will "broadcast the core numerical values of the Valenzetti Equation." The numbers, 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42, are explained in the Sri Lanka Video, as the numerical values to the core environmental and human factors of the Valenzetti Equation. Alvar Hanso also states in the video that the purpose of the DHARMA Initiative is to change the numerical values of any one of the core factors in the equation in order to give humanity a chance to survive. However, Thomas Mittelwerk reveals that as of 2006, they have failed to change the values through manipulating the environment, as the equation continues to arrive at the same six numbers."

NOT CANON, DUDE.

How so? Lost Experience was total canon.

side note: maybe everyone else already knew this, but I just learned that josh holloway was the purse-snatcher who gets jump-kicked in the aerosmith "cryin'" video. he first comes in at like 3:20 in the video.

unmentioned: everyone heard smokey in the moments before Walt showed up, right?

Lost Easter Eggs has enhanced audio of the noises from just before Walt appeared--it sounds like two voices saying something like "Eternal" and "Hell to pay." Though I'd like to think it's actually "Help me" again.

How so? Lost Experience was total canon.

everytime i post something about it someone jumps up and screams "THE LOST EXPERIENCE IS NOT PART OF THE LOST CANON PER SE (FAG)," that's all.

looking at lostpedia it seems to say that the majority of it is canonesque, so ignore me.

ok so what was the thing from the pilot that was wrapped up by these eps?

how great is the music in the season finale episodes?

say the helicopter were to arrive at the radio tower minutes later (an idea we understandably discount, but go with me here). Aside from Claire and Aaron and probably-dead Naomi, pretty much every main character wouldn't want to leave, yeah? Jack would want to make sure everyone else left before he did. Rose said she'd never leave. Locke and Ben wouldn't go. Rousseau wouldn`t, nor would Alex then, i'd imagine. Sun wouldn't want to leave without Jin. Kate would start thinking about being a fugitive again, and that'd give her pause.

But the upside would be all the redshirts would leave and we wouldn't have to look at them anymore.

my latest little theory with nothing to back it up: we've seen some ass-boring, pointless flashbacks in seasons 1 and 2. could any of those be worked out or placed as flash-forwards?

i wonder what they did, all alone there, underwater, for such a long time

"Mission to Canada" right guys

Looking-glass hatch code in 'Lost sequence of numbers NOT being 4,8,15,16 etc' shocker

This has probably been raised like a million years before but have we now established through flashbacks that no original 815ers have anyone/anything to go back for? Desmond has Penny. We've seen reasons why Kate wouldn't want to go back to her mother, Claire's mother in permanent coma or whatever, Jack's wife done left him, Sawyer's revenge target gone, ditto Locke, Sun + Jin and Rose + Bernard have each other on island... etc. I guess Hurley still loves his mom and his Chicken Shack.

Also, thinking about who was in the coffin, if it was supposed to be any particular person. If it was Ben, as seems to be popular opinion, and I was one of the Others or 815ers, I sure as hell would turn up, just to make sure the lying bastard was really dead. And for some kind of closure.

assumed the funeral was for locke and kate had to get back to sawyer

The Aquahottie said that the code was programmed by a musician-- guess we know what happened to Jim Morrison now, eh?

ok so what was the thing from the pilot that was wrapped up by these eps?

From the pilot: "Where are we?"
From the season 3 finale: Shut up, Charlie.

Maybe it was the answer to: "Are they ever going to get off the island?"

I guess Hurley still loves his mom and his Chicken Shack.

Yeah, but his Chicken Shack got flattened by a meteorite or something. So that just leaves his mother, who was enabling his self-destructive behaviour anyway. There, he was a doofus and a meal ticket. Here, he's a hero.

I still think Hurley going to get home and his financial adviser will say, "I've been make investments in your absence and you're now worth 10 billion dollars. By the way, you own a controlling interest in the Hanso Foundation, Mittelos, and Widmore Industries."

Answered question from the pilot was presumably "Why is there an SOS message playing on a loop for 16 years?".

And why hasn't anyone responded to it?

...and how did they miss a frigging red and white radio tower on a hill in the middle of the island?

Why didn't Ben have someone shut Danielle's message off at some point? They had to turn off their blocking signal every now & then to get communications out & Danielle's message would have gone out as well. It seemed like Ben knew about the radio tower.

don't think the flashforward is definite

ronan's question about how flashbacks actually relate to characters' thoughts is important

was sad to see tom die, in a way, and, insanely, charlie, after these last two eps

I don't think it was a flash forward tho--the island stuff was a flashback.
Suicidal-wanting-to-go-back-to-the-island Jack would likely be remembering when he led everyone to the radio to get them rescued.

I know there are problems with that--like how would Jack know about the scenes in which he was not present-- but I've never seen anything that suggested the writers were adhering to a rigid flashback structure. We're being a bit anal about it.

talking about something else

I would be sorely disappointed with any ending for this show that involved alternate realities. I thought that Desmond's time travel experience kind of shut down that possibility anyway--since he couldn't change anything.

I might keep watching anyway

of course you will

of course I will

am excited and don't have any problems w/

am not bothering to see this thing I have decided is a flashforward to a possible future as an "alternate reality"

I thought that Desmond's time travel experience kind of shut down that possibility anyway--since he couldn't change anything.

About this... Des can't change anything, but arguably, he has changed a lot of things. If he hadn't saved Charlie from the lightning and the drowning, he wouldn't have had the flash about Charlie getting hit by the arrow and they wouldn't have discovered Naomi. If he hadn't saved Charlie then too, he wouldn't have gotten a flash about the Looking Glass, and they wouldn't be able to decode "Good Vibrations" (any other musos on the island we don't know about?). In fact, a lot of things would not happen without Desmond flashing-forward and MAKING them happen.

Also, they haven't shown us a Desmond flash-forward which doesn't involve Charlie, yet... we don't know if he can. Other people have died since the flashes began like Nikki and Paolo and Eko, but Desmond has only been able to predict Charlie's death.

meant to say am pretty excited and don't have many significant problems w/

and i meant to add, i'm not a big fan of the alternate reality theory, but there's an argument to be made that it IS possible to change the future... just that it doesn't mean there's now two or three or four or a million different futures. It's the Back to the Future explanation = the future hasn't happened yet, we can change it!

<i> Who was Kate referring to when she said "I need to go. He'll ask questions." </i>

If enough time had passed, could Kate actually be referring to her son?

Um, if that WAS 2007 (newspaper, KRZR phone)... her kid would be two years old.

But the upside would be all the redshirts would leave and we wouldn't have to look at them anymore.

they seemed in quite short supply didn't they? also the others seem kind of depleted. like, where's that "sheriff" woman who was a big deal for one episode?

the only lame thing in this episode was locke's little moment. bit of an anti-climax.

i'm undecided on the meaning of the jack-forwards. i don't think it counts as a gamechanger anyway--either in terms of the show's format or otherwise. revealing the identity of naomi's boat -- and i don't think ben is wrong, they probably are evil -- would have counted, perhaps.

always end up obsessing on unknowables but the great things in this show are stuff like hurley driving the truck into the bad guy and charlie & des being heroic.

but there's an argument to be made that it IS possible to change the future

um of course it is.

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True, Des has been able to change the future based on his visions. I sure hope he doesn't start off Season 4 running up to the tower yelling, "Jack, stop! When Charlie knocked me out I had this vision of you in the future as a miserable beardo pill popper! You can't leave the island!"

Still, I think it's odd that we start off the discussion of the flash forward questioning whether or not it will ever actually happen. Sure it's possible it won't. But that would be very lame and bad storytelling.

True, Des has been able to change the future based on his visions.

it's a kind of borgesian thing. he sees what's going to happen, hence he makes it happen. naomi could have been hanging from the tree until dead or captured by the others. etc.

About Desmond only getting Charlie flashes: I think this has to do with Des & Penny's bond. When he went back in time it was to her. Charlie was meant to receive that communication from Penny, thus Des got flashes that helped him save Charlie's life until the point where that occurred.

I like that. That makes sense. He still didn't quite get to Penny but it doesn't matter. The point is that she definitely knows now that he's alive.

I sure hope he doesn't start off Season 4 running up to the tower yelling, "Jack, stop! When Charlie knocked me out I had this vision of you in the future as a miserable beardo pill popper! You can't leave the island!"

Haha I hope he does. Yelling those exact words (add 'brother' where appropriate).

in all fairness, well done des for having the vision but they could have found out about the looking glass by

a) torturing juliet
b) looking at the files sayid got from mikhail's shack

they did. Juliet was the one who told them the looking glass was jamming the comms. Des did the important part: Charlie had to be the one who swam down there. (haha or jack. He plays the piano right?)

the only lame thing in this episode was locke's little moment. bit of an anti-climax.

I kind of agree. They set up Locke being shot as if the question of his survival was going to be a cliffhanger...which lasted all of a week. WEAK. At the very least, the scene with Locke and Walt (or "Walt") could've gone on a bit longer than:

Locke: I BROKED
"Walt": NO YOU ISN'T GET UP SILLYPANTS
Locke: OH WAIT YOU RIGHT ROFFLE ROFFLE I IS TOTALLY FINE

he should have said 'time to shine' cos it would have been a fun stephen king reference.

but even then why is he still doing ben's bidding? i guess it was jacob.

Locke didn't have to kill Naomi - it wasn't going to stop the phone working. I mean for him to actually kill someone is a big deal I think and it wasn't even necessary/a move that would prevent Jack going ahead with his rescue plan (he knows how stubborn Jack is).

just want to point out that the Lost Experience IS canon:

Damon Lindelof: I would say in terms of all the… background that we did, in terms of the Valenzetti equation and explaining the formation of the Hanso Foundation and doing the other films…we’d consider that stuff canon to the show. Where there’d have to be wiggle room is the Rachel Blake story where she’s in the real world, in the outside world as we define it, the show Lost might be defined in an entirely different outside world so we can’t vouch for the overall fit ability and veracity of everything that Rachel was doing. But we can say that all the factoids that she was uncovering were vetted, in fact many of them were written by us personally so they are canon.

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/lost/buddytv-interviews-losts-damon-4766.aspx

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Yeah, I really hope that the cavalier taking of lives is dealt with at some point and that, in the same vein, the increasing blurriness of the line between the Losties and the Others is intentional.

the only reason widmore knows where the island is is because of the hatch failsafe/blowing up thing--not because of mikhail and the drops

Good point, forgot about the purple psychedelic explosion.

Hey, if people who supposedly died in the fake 815 wreckage (Naomi: 'you're all dead') start showing up off-island, what's the cover story there? Meaning what does the public find out about the 815 crash?

Oceanic Air officials: "LOLOL J/K THAT WAS ANOTHER PLANE WITH DEAD PEOPLES ON IT"
The public: "OH GOOD JOEK I AM ROFFLE"

talking about something else

Well, no one in the future was recognising Jack as the famous plane crash survivor, so presumably there was a total cover-up and the public never found out anything.

actually the doctor dude said "hero twice over" so I think they DO recognize him as such.

Yeah, that's what I got from the 'twice over' as well.

what's jack sick of lying about w/ futuristic kate?

Pretty much all the events of Seasons 1-X I would imagine. I can't see Jack on Good Morning America telling people about all the weirdness

re: hero twice over, just like the Christian alive or dead thing it could be interpreted a couple of ways ... could mean the car crash and the plane crash, or could just mean he saved two lives, the kid and the woman

would his spinal surgery have made him a hero?

Serious question: When did it come up that the island is near Fiji? Did Naomi say that?

In the pilot, the, er Pilot mentioned turning back towards Fiji, didn't he?

As was pointed out late on the last thread, and elsewhere no doubt a long time before, decimal coordinates of Latitude 4.815 and Longitude 162.342 (the Numbers) lead to a spot in the Pacific dead on halfway between Syndey and LA. Quite a way from Fiji, but there's not much else around. Samoa is a bit closer, and the nearest land mass of all on Google Maps seems to be the island group of Kiribati.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=4.815+n+162.342+w

Anyway, never mind that. I haven't added my voice to the chorus of approval for the finale yet. I love this show so much.

LOST.

A question--Did Desmond not see the message that Charlie wrote on his hand (NOT PENNY'S BOAT)? I thought he did, but my friend was telling me that Desmond put his hand against Charlie's, presumably thinking that Charlie was saying goodbye, and therefore Desmond didn't read the message.

your friend is ridiculous

No, he absolutely saw it.

he read it and said it, I think

crossposts

charlie was satisfied desmond had got the message because he smiled and floated away to die

That's kind of what I thought, but she seemed pretty sure of it, and I do remember Desmond putting his hand up to Charlie's.

He did, after a while (just watched it again), but his hand didn't cover Charlie's for a while, and in that time, he was mouthing the words to himself.

yes charlie would not have floated away so gracefully had he felt desmond was not comprehending

I am starting to get withdrawal symptoms....

What used to get me through the time between episodes was the hot and heavy frequency of web updates, but I fear this will diminish all too soon, and then what?

Or even if the frequency of the updates of web stuff were to maintain, it has got to diminish in quality and interestingness.

is any of the web stuff worthwhile?

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5175/deshandru9.jpg

I am referring to this thread as well when I say "web stuff." Also I check Lost Easter Eggs pretty regularly as well as going to Lostpedia sometimes. Depending on your definition of "worthwhile" ("is Lost itself worthwhile?" etc.) I find that these sources are an interesting companion to the show because I get to hear other people's viewpoints, read spoilers and see large screencaps, all of which enhance my enjoyment of the show.

ILX lost thread is the extent of my lost internetting

http://en.lostpedia.com/images/e/e5/Lostbook_all.JPG

mine too. I meant all the stuff where they (the LOST people) have websites and podcasts and so on

i've read overviews of 'lost experience' but it looks shit. i tend to expect anything good from podcasts or whatever to get posted here.

holy shit, that was magnificent. (yes, i'm late to the party again; that's because, first time round, i only torrntd the first half. tit.)

<i>Looking-glass hatch code in 'Lost sequence of numbers NOT being 4,8,15,16 etc' shocker</i>

heheh, yes. but what's the significance (if any) of "good vibrations"?

is any of the web stuff worthwhile?

i was just reading some stuff on lostpedia about "the lost experience" (which i'm sure i signed up for back in the day; never got any more e-mails or info, though, and forgot all about it) ... it all strikes me as a bit overly obsessive and marginally tedious, ie the point where the mild obsessiveness most viewers have about the show ("OMG CLIFFHANGER") crosses over into fanaticism ("OMG DETAIL").

or is that this thread?

no.

something i liked a lot about the final scene but didnt really realize until a few days after watching:

Jack and Kate meet up at LAX. LAX is where they were all to ave parted ways, never to have thier paths cross again were it not for the plane crashh. I think that setting gave a really, really nice subliminal context to the scene.

also:

jack's suicide attempt scene was one of the first scenes in all three seasons to be shot off of Oahu. It was shot in LA.

lost easter eggs is the only lost website I mess with besides this thread

good for hi-def screenshots of hatch maps and stuff

although the best of it probably gets reposted here anyway

as i have mentioned before, lostpedia is great for summaries of the podcasts.

Jack and Kate meet up at LAX.
I think that setting gave a really, really nice subliminal context to the scene.

Also the plane passing overhead making the flashback sound was a nice touch.

also xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxp u guyz are all nutz wrt tom not shooting losties. we are supposed to believe that ben is losing the grip of power he has on the others, nothing more.

lol lostpedia:

-Jack's newspaper was an issue of the L.A. Times April 5, 2007 folded at page B-4.

-April 5, 2007 would have been the 13th anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death, perhaps the reason why Jack was listening to Nirvana in the car during his flash.

I'm still laughing at the Ezra James Sharkington gag from the podcast like 3 weeks ago :((((

Nirvana + L O S T = kit in heaven, i think

Crap, the math is slightly wrong if the kid is 8, but I REALLY WANT the people Jack rescued on the bridge to be Juliet's sister and her child.

HURRAY FOR THIS SHOW.

so the radio tower was first mentioned in the pilot, and that's what was wrapped up there, right?

i am intrigued by there being some code or general order that meant Ben explictly was ordering not to shoot the 3 hostages. i had to relisten to that bit cos i rly thought he was saying the opposite (that ben was losing it asking them to be shot)

next season is about jacob and dharma strikes back fo sure. maybe they'll do SOME more flashforwards, but dramatically flash-forwards every week would close things down too much with 50 episodes left to do.

MUSICAL LOCK! i was so in a MYST/RIVEN heaven then with an underwater base and mood lighting too.

Dharma reclaiming the island would make sense. Virus test subjects etc. would make Jack want to go back, esp. if Evil Dharma had managed to keep some of the survivors (+ Juliet?) there to be tested on.

Crap, the math is slightly wrong if the kid is 8, but I REALLY WANT the people Jack rescued on the bridge to be Juliet's sister and her child.

-- Johnny Fever, Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:57 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Link

uh, whut? the lady is not juliet, dude.

you watch lost?

JULIET'S SISTER, der.

not her either

there's some wonderful science/magic thing about the island, kind of like ET, and exposing it to the outside world is like letting the scientists in to ruin it all. the whole jacob antipathy to technology thing.

perhaps this is what's driving locke and ben to keep the outside out more than is healthy. and it's this slow realisation by Jack that they ruined it right here in this episode that drove him to where he is in the flash-forward/present. the final death of some important character - seems likely a suicide caused by loss of the island,which would have overly effected locke/ben - finally made him lose it.

i mean obv you knew all that. i'm just sayin it.

just the other week we were discussing how they were going to do the 'epilogue' after-the-island stuff without dropping the pace. good move. no AMAzing move.

OMGZ guys - jack and kate get off the island!!!!!

poor excuse for a uk daytime bump there.

only because the other thread died too early a death:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c90/gradygillan/werid2.jpg

poor effort. needs *LOL* at the end

So, did Mikhail actually die this time, or is he still indestructable?

pirates wear eyepatches
he is a pirate like richard alpert
don't get the russian part, though

Ahem:

Mikhail is the INDESTRUCTIBLE MAN. I bet he'll be back, even if he's just a torso with a harpoon jutting from his chest. Mark my words.

-- Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:26 (1 week ago) Link

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Because everyone is MORTAL.

Except for MIKHAIL.

And RICHARD ALPERT.

Because they are both PIRATES OF THE CARRIBEAN.

-- Deric W. Haircare, Thursday, 24 May 2007 03:29 (1 week ago) Link

I claim this theory in the name of Spain.

wednesday nite lost withdrawlllllllllll uuuugghhhhh

your theory is ok, but you didn't even mention the eyepatch, which is essential to the theory

also still doesn't explain the russian

is there any word on reruns? i know it's traveler tonight or whatever, but might the show the season again in the summertime?

(i'm curious to see the mini-season again with what we know now)

I'm sure there are/were Russian pirates back in the day of the Black Rock.

Thursday morning--how much are you missing Lost? Me? I read Robinson Crusoe at work last night. (Yes, that's how busy I am at work.)

I'm coping OK, haven't resorted to watching second episode of Heroes yet.

i'm going to give Heroes ONE MORE CHANCE when it comes on BBC2 soon. casual catching of it on scifi it looks a bit rub. possibly because IT'S ABOUT SUPERHEROES WITH SPECIAL POWERS. snore

Not really missing it today since my finals are on Monday, so I'm pretty glad that there's no Lost to distract me from studying. I mean, ILX is pretty bad already without Lostpedia, losteastereggs, lostandgoneforever and 4815162342.com and this damn thread.

I'll really start missing it next week though. And Heroes too. Heroes is cheesy but so much dorky fun, you guys.

bbc2? blimey.

possibly because IT'S ABOUT SUPERHEROES WITH SPECIAL POWERS. snore

unlike L O S T...ah

Lost characters have Powers too...like not-being-paralyzed, fixing things, nickname bestowing. Oh, and time travelin'.

Even better, it turns out Mister M has never seen Northern Exposure! DVD summer, here we come.

Mmmm, Chris in the morning.

basically at the end a world-beating collective will emerge:

Locke = B.V. (Big Bad Bald Bulletproof Bastard)
Desmond = The Premonitioner
Walt = Conjure Boy
Charlie's Ghost = The Shafty Spectre
Hurley = El Jinxo

Jacob grants them the ability to transfer their powers beyond the island, with awesome spin-off results.

<

How can you forget Sayid? = The Martyr

maybe Jin as The Whorefishjaffa

wednesday nite lost withdrawlllllllllll uuuugghhhhh

I hear ya. We're about to start rewatching the whole thing with a virgin friend.

we just got the 1st season dvds and my wife is fiending to watch them. i take the position that we've got the better part of a year to fill up, might as well dole them out slowly.

we're gonna watch the finale again, and then go back to the start.

Did Libby appear at any point in S03?

Nope.

heroes looks rubbish

I unexpectedly got a weakling little Lost fix when I was watching 24 series 5 last night and who should be in it but DESMOND disappointingly refraining from calling people 'brother'.

minor LOST fix to help with withdrawls:

E news interview with lindeloff.

pretty good 99%-non-spoilery look at whats to come for s4, how they dealth with the jack/kate off-island and charlie dead stories.

biggest news flash: NO MORE PODCASTS

:::(((

dealt

biggest news flash: NO MORE PODCASTS

huh? forever? did i miss the part where they say that?

How are you dealing with the Spoilergate aftermath?
Well, with regard to season four, Carlton and I are going into complete and utter radio silence. I know a lot of people are going to be frustrated, but I think if things had gone a little differently in terms of the finale getting spoiled, we might have been a little more open to talking about it. But now we're all bitter. [Laughs.] No, honestly, the reason for the silence is we don’t want to tell the audience what to think about where the show is going to be next year. The way the finale concluded and what happens next is open to interpretation. I think it had a real imaginative quality to it that hopefully engaged the audience's imagination the way the show did when they first saw the pilot.

that didn't really strike me as "no more podcasts" - more like they weren't going to discuss season four before it started.

also, i'm thinking "you're a hero, twice." is deliberatly ambiguous.

i wouldnt be surprised if its a ways into s4 before we know if people off island know about what happened on the island.

xp: it struck me as "we the creators will have more fun in s4 not telling you what to think. you are on your own"

There will be no more podcasts until the beginning of S4, a fact that was announced in the 2nd or 3rd to the last podcast.

phew.

One of those tight-with-the-producers websites is leaking gossip about a major actor on the show being very unpopular with the rest of the cast. The rift has been written into the show (everyone distrusting Jack?) and has caused changes in future storylines (someone leaving the island?). The source says it is definitely not the guys who play Sayyid or Sawyer.

Is it a guy? Could it be Juliet??

Actually she said it wasn't Naveen Andrews (Sayid) or Terry O'Quinn (Locke). Assuming it's the same thing I read (Kristen Veiauetch [never sure how to spell her name]).

that would be awesome if Matthew Fox was method acting.

The speculation is that Fox wants to become a movie star and is probably screwing the producers around and seeking out Duchovny-like arrangements which will force major alterations in the storyline. Also, he's probably a dick.

I like reading about the actor disputes--anyone else read that EW article where O'Quinn basically said he didn't get along with the guy who played Mr. Eko?

I don't think Countdown will ever find another Richard Whitely.

"Consonant please Juliet..."

anyone else read that EW article where O'Quinn basically said he didn't get along with the guy who played Mr. Eko?

I get the feeling that he dislikes a lot of things about the show and/or how they are writing the John Locke character..

And one more thing.. I completely forgot about this one. He made a comment about the Locke action figure way back in 2006(April).. The question? What equipment the doll needed..

The answer..

"walterneff,
I know that's in the works. My thoughts............................I think if they make John Locke an action figure, he should come with a little gun to shoot himself.

Cheers,"

:P

If it's not O'Quinn it's almost certainly Matthew Fox.

I think maybe O'Quinn dislikes the how the show has been turned into a merchandise behemoth? I mean, he is definitely no stranger to this kind of weird conspiracy-mystery-sci-fi type show (he was on Millennium), so I wouldn't think he has a problem with the storylines really. I know I read somewhere he complained about the direction Locke was heading in during Season 2, though.

no stranger to this kind of weird conspiracy-mystery-sci-fi type show

He's also been on The X-Files and Star Trek TNG (in one of my favorite episodes).

ok nerd king.

LOST is a merchandise behemoth??

(I mean, that's the first I've heard of action figures.)

he was on Alias too

the new series of lost action figures are coming out soon.

Surely they're not the Wal-Mart kid kind, right? They're the adult geek kind.

yeah they're like $20.

only place ive seen them is the gift shop here.

i just want the video game

I had a dream the other day that they caved to pressure from fans and decided to do another run of like 10 additional season 3 episodes and I actually watched one of them in my dream and everybody's initial stokedness turned to rage as the first episode back was another god damn Jack flashback.

jack off-island vs. jack-off island

Star Trek TNG (in one of my favorite episodes).

Which one?

LOST is a merchandise behemoth??

-- jaymc, Wednesday, June 6, 2007 1:46 PM (Wednesday, June 6, 2007 1:46 PM) Bookmark Link

Dude, my parents gave me the LOST Board Game for Christmas.

Jordan - The Pegasus

His character (Admiral Pressman - ranked higher than Picard oh no!) was in charge of a ship that was testing an experimental and illegal version of a cloaking device which allowed it to pass through solid matter.

haha the sole, lonely "memorable quote" from that episode:

Admiral Eric Pressman: How long have you had the beard?
Commander William T. Riker: About four years. I think I just got tired of hearing how "young" I looked.
Admiral Eric Pressman: What was it that Lieutenant Boylen used to call you?
Commander William T. Riker: "Ensign Babyface".

That could be a Locke/Jack talk.

The LOST board game -- which my girlfriend's mom found at a yard sale and gave to her -- is a little too RPG for me.

Yeah I saw a bunch of LOST merch on the NBC store which threw me. I've never seen any anywhere else though.

you mean the ABC store, right?

i know NBC is hard up these days, but that'd be embarrasing.

they have puzzles and stuff too. and posters and probably t-shirts. a DHARMA t-shirt would definitely be worth buying, tho.

The LOST Board Game is too difficult for me.

Yeah, it was NBC selling Lost cereal complete with shards of glass.

When will I be able to buy actual 6-packs of Dharma beer instead of draping a napkin with a hand-drawn Dharma symbol over a can of Keystone Ice? That's what I want to know.

xpost haha, shards of glass. It has shards of glass because it's on another network.

jack off-island vs. jack-off island

jack-off island! i saw that movie!

oh wow i'm now seeing the Anthony Cooper/Locke's Dad actor talking to Swayze in Roadhouse on BBC One.

nick! someone posted printable dharma beer labels upthread!!!!

oh wow i'm now seeing the Anthony Cooper/Locke's Dad actor talking to Swayze in Roadhouse on BBC One.

Is this Roadhouse week or something? I was possessed by watching it the other night.

Hey guys speaking of LOST:

http://www.comicspodcasts.com/?p=754

A listener of the Comic News Insider podcast jokingly posed a question to Michael Emerson in the interview about whether he can play Jacob or not on the show, to which Emerson responded with Jacob has already been cast.

When asked who the person was, Emerson stated, "That person is a person who already worked on Lost...but you have never heard that person's voice and I don't think you ever will. I don't know that you're ever going to see that person clearly."

In addition, Emerson states that the scene in "The Man Behind The Curtain" where you see a momentary glimpse of Jacob's face is extended on the DVD and he knows this because he provided commentary on that episode.

That person is a person who already worked on Lost...but you have never heard that person's voice

I can't think of who this would suggest. Gerald DeGroot?

Alvar Hanso?

That's what I was thinking.

we've heard Hanso's voice though - in those Lost Experience thingies.

DeGroot seems more otm to me. I imagine him as an academic who got to the island and went crazy and found his place in the woods. Hanso, from the little we know, seems more like a businessman, and less likely to be there. ah, speculation. it's fun though.

LOST Mobisodes to Feature Full Cast

mobisodes will run for around 90 minutes and should not be confused as an abbreviated version of the show.

90 mins?????????

I think they mean 90 minutes total. These are probably going to be little boring snippets that don't really tell us Jack shit about anything.

haha lol @ subconscious capital letter

The Hollywood Reporter, that the mobisodes will run for around 90 minutes and should not be confused as an abbreviated version of the show. Despite that, the LOST mobisodes will reveal information that viewers would not be able to get from the show.

Maybe they will be good. . .

maybe it'll be the background conversations some of thought were missing during the season. "So then I was all like, this bus WILL start, and then...." Like litte kids recounting stories from the school yard.

Excellent Kate pap:

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Okay that didn't work for me but please tell me that's not going to be a Kate pap smear.

"Nobody wanted to see two people sitting on a beach that we've never heard of talking and saying, 'Hey, did you hear what Jack and Kate did today?'

This sounds more fun than Jack/Kate/Sawyer II

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/gallery/evangelinedominic/van-3.jpg

The Hobbit is rubbing off on her.

lol, you think she won't let him put it in?

she has horrible teeth

As a fellow person with rabbit teeth, I take offense at that comment!!

So we're all pretty sure that Mystery Abrams Trailer for Mystery 1-18-08 Movie is not at all a LOST tie-in right?

Unless it's like Jurassic Park 2 with Smoky unleashed on the mainland.

Yeah, for the five or ten seconds that I thought it was at all likely, that was the general idea.

I was watching some TV movie biopic of Paul McCartney yesterday morning (don't ask why, because I couldn't tell you) and JULIET was playing Linda!

That's all, sorry.

I more or less gave up on Lost (and Prison Break - after the break-out). :-(

ok this is really, really, really far-fetched, BUT...what if the 1-18-08 trailer is just a trailer for LOST Season 4?

- Date is about right for season 4 premiere
- the monster noises are pretty similar to smokemonster noises
- the slusho.jp site talks about people sailing off in search of something, never to return.

HRM.

Harold Perrineau, Jr. rejoins LOST

excellent.

they're showing the season finale here right now, finally. I've seen it a million times now but it's kind of nice to see it on a proper TV, rather than my crummy laptop screen.

New Lost Dharma Station 6, The Orchid S4 Sneak Peak!!

I want to love the Dharma training films, but the acting is always so bad in them.

...i thought that was the point. training films are usually pretty cheesy.

This one's a little different. Seems like Dharma has messed about with some pretty heavy science. If they really have managed to create a stable wormhole, allowing them to move throught space and time, well...shit, the possibilities!

there's a 'God loves you as he loves Jacob' caption at around 1:09 in that linked clip

Well, with regard to season four, Carlton and I are going into complete and utter radio silence. I know a lot of people are going to be frustrated, but I think if things had gone a little differently in terms of the finale getting spoiled, we might have been a little more open to talking about it. But now we're all bitter. [Laughs.] No, honestly, the reason for the silence is we don’t want to tell the audience what to think about where the show is going to be next year. The way the finale concluded and what happens next is open to interpretation. I think it had a real imaginative quality to it that hopefully engaged the audience's imagination the way the show did when they first saw the pilot.

worst willpower ever

HEY GUYS NEW PODCAST:

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/podcast

alright, it's just the comic con panel. but it's something.

Oh. Shit. I thought I was gonna be the one to break the news. I found out about this podcast when I looked at my iPod and saw that there was an artist called "Produced by ABC" on there.

this seems to deny the "flash forward as alternate universe" theory

also, there's an HP interview on the EW site.

My speakers are crappy but it sounded like Marvin Candle was calling himself something like "Halifax" in that new orientation vid.

yeah i noticed he had a different name

from http://darkufo.blogspot.com:

voices murmuring in the background as young woman applies makup to
Candle.
Candle: Sighs I'll never get used to wearing makeup.
Voice: You look great. It takes away the shine.
Candle: Who cares if I shine? I'm a scientist. I'm not a---
Voice: Turn the rabbit around, please.
Candle turns the rabbit around, revealing #15. He has no prosthetic
arm!
Voice: Got it.
Candle: Hello, I'm Dr. Edgar Hallowax and this is the orientation film
for Station 6 of the Dharma Initiative. As you no doubt -
[Inserted frame of the Hanso Building]
-surmised, Station 6, or the Orchid, is not a botanical research--- We
apologize for asking you to deceive your family and colleagues. This is
of course in the interest of their own security. The unique properties
of this island (aided?/ created?) a kind of Casimir Effect allowing us
to---
[Inserted frame of 'God loves you as he love Jacob"]
The field you have been selected to study is highly volatile and
potentially dangerous. But over the next few minutes we'll demonstrate
the elaborate safety measures that have been put in place to ensure
that---
[Something falls from the ceiling. It might be a rabbit.]
Candle: ---The Hell!
Voice: Hey, what is that? What's going on?!
Camera wobbles and pans to shelf showing a rabbit # 15 or 16?]
Young woman: Oh god! It's 15 (or 16?)
Candle: ---The hell!
Candle: Don't let them near each other! When did you set the shift?
Young woman: Negative 20.
Candle: How long?
Young woman: Nine minutes, but we're still learning---
Candle: Into camera Why is this still running?
Voice: You told me to keep the camera running no matter what.
Candle: Turn it off!
[Inserted upside down frame of bicycle on what appears to be the
Otherville Common.]
Candle: Hello, I'm Dr. Edgar Hallowax and this is the Orientation Film
for Station 6 of the Dharma Initiative. As you've no doubt surmised,
Station 6, or the Orchid, is not a botanical research unit...

I've heard both Edward Hourwax and Edgar Halowax.

Apparently the show may add Veronica Mars' Kristen Bell to the cast.

hourwax is a not massively clever addition to candle and wickman

halowax would be slightly more subtle, at least, if as silly

Apparently the show may add Veronica Mars' Kristen Bell to the cast.

EXXXXCELLLLLLENT...

ben really killed the rabbit :(

shooting has begun.

and i shared a dancefloor with a very incognito evangeline lilly for a few hours tonite.

she is quite a dancer.

T O'Quinn wins Emmy, gives lovely speech, has big wife

i shared a dancefloor with a very incognito evangeline lilly for a few hours tonite.

She's married to hobbit charlie unemployed actor Dominic Monaghan now so don't get any ideas!

weird seeing michael emerson not being benry. he shd have won.

xpost

gr8080 couldd take down the hobbit.

i don't think they're married.

she got into kate-as-asskicker mode for a few brief seconds on a golem-like hipster guy who couldn't take a hint. finger in his face and everything.

A++++++ would dance again.

Reports indicate The Wire's Lance Reddick and Lawnmower Man Jeff Fahey + 1 giant beard are to play recurring characters in S4.

Terry O'Quinn's wife, OMG. He's got a lot of lovin' to give.

yeah, reddick/daniels is in which is fkn awesome news. intense dude.

Libby's coming back

Also, i got to listen in on the rehearsals for this while walking my dog in the park tonight.

yay libby she's a treat

Really glad Libby's coming back because we got to know next to nothing about her and yet she seemed to touch on at least two characters' backstories. When I heard she'd been sacked it annoyed me because I thought we'd never find out what she was doing in the hospital with Hurley.

haven't the producers always said that she'll be back? glad to know it'll be this season for sure now, though.

still psyched as a motherfucker for l o s t

some on the lostpedia forums figured out the deal with the statue!

so psyched. I like the way Jack keeps swinging from annoying dickhead back to "WE HAVE TO GO BACK" style unhinged renegade. he is still the hero of the show, even if others can be more likeable.

I have to say tho I was under the impression that his Dad is dead, and he's just confused/druglusting so he wrote a prescription with his dead Dad's name on it. It would fit with the way people are treating him, like "I'm more saddened than surprised".

That statue theory is rubbish.

Also I really don't want a series of flash forwards* (although if Libby's in it I suppose that idea is discounted). Equally I don't really want more pointless flashbacks like some of last season's.

More on-island flashbacks please.

*Except Desmond, but he's kind of a special case.

the statue theory is truly woeful. it's a nothing theory and it's been found out today, ahem.

So I suppose the island "natives" appeared after some time warping high jinks like the rabbit thing in the video above?

My understanding is that we're to get both flashforwards and flashbacks next year. I suppose part of the fun/frustration will be figuring out which is which as we're watching each episode?

I'm gonna rent out the last season again just before season 4 just to get proper hyped... can't wait... Heroes just aint the same!

New podcast released, to commemorate the 3rd anniversary of the Oceanic 815 crash. Damon and Carlton reveal...

1. Nikki, Paulo, and Mikhail are all really dead.
2. The flash-forward in the S3 finale is an actual future, not a possible future, but is not the final tile in the mosaic.
3. Richard Alpert's story will take a backseat as Nestor Carbonell shoots Cane, but they hope to have him back at some point.

mascara manufacturers sadface

ditto manbags

radio silence in full effect

Oh that sucks about Richard Alpert. Although Cane looks kind of crap. Is it wrong that I want it cancelled just so they can have Carbonell on Lost more?

Ha, no, since I think D and C basically implied that they were really hoping the pilot wouldn't get picked up.

2. The flash-forward in the S3 finale is an actual future, not a possible future, but is not the final tile in the mosaic.

"An" actual future? I kind of wish they hadn't said that. The flash forward is like a spoiler unless they do it all cleverly.

I guess I meant an actual depiction of the future.

the first episode will be called 'The Beginning of the End'

I'm not much on offseason l o s t thread hot stove league participation but man am i psyched for this shit to come back

someone at my work raced thru all 3 seasons in like the last 4 weeks so I sort of rewatched lost vicariously by talking to him about various bullshit theories and screen-grab easter eggs

Fisher Stevens (ha!) and Andrea Roth set to join the cast:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/a77890/rescue-me-actress-joins-lost-cast.html
http://remote.lohudblogs.com/2007/10/17/lost-roundup/

Writer's Guild strike!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/20/arts/television/20cons.html?_r=2&ref=television&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

A strike by the Writers Guild of America, which could begin as soon as Nov. 1, would cut a ragged edge across the entertainment industry, with television and movies affected in different ways. Depending on the timing and length of a strike, some television shows would grind along just fine, while others would jerk to a halt. “The Simpsons” is safe, for instance, but light a candle for “Lost.” And reality shows, whose writers are nonunion, will become even more of a television staple than they are now.

I heard about the possibility of this happening a while back but I was hoping that it wouldn't happen so soon, at least not until they've finished writing the fourth season. :( Well ok, it hasn't happened yet, but it doesn't look good at this point. they've been talking about a writer's strike for months now and it seems like they're bringing it forward and scrapping the plan to withhold the strike until July next year.

they could just use lost slash fer scripts.

that's (c) btw. i am now writing a film about a writers strike where this happens with hilarious consequences.

Therapist character = we're going to get more Jack flash-forwards in the next series.

The rapist character = we're going to get more Jack fisting in the next series.

'Lost' actor Daniel Dae Kim accused of DUI

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2007/Oct/25/BR2007102513042690386.jpg

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Oct/25/br/br5701984326.html

Well shit, now we know who the first regular cast member to die next season will be.

that hair!

he and Koizumi need to make a butt baby double time cuz it'd look EXACTLY LIKE BOTH OF THEM probably a full head of hair straight outta the wombanus

if you've ever watched DOG teh Bounty Hunter, you'll recognize the back door of the Honolulu police dept:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nAvCZan0H28

Is there nothing to do in Hawaii but get drunk and drive around?

HELP ME WIN A FREE TRIP TO HAWAII [Started by HI DERE, last updated 40 minutes ago] 26 new answers

If the WGA strike went through though couldn't Lindelof/Cuse feasibly write the remainder of season 4 themselves? Their episode scripts are usually among the best anyway.

i assume that the strike involves staff writers too?

i don't know how lost works, but i think they have writers rooms on most serial dramas.

No they can't. Even though they're writer-producers, they're still members of the WGA and they won't be crossing the picket line. And yep, that includes all their staff writers as well.

The thing that leaves a bit of hope is that Carlton Cuse is apparently on the WGA's negotiating committee. which hopefully means he can pull some strings to postpone the strike til after season 4 is done. But he's just one guy, so... dunno.

See this lostpedia post for worst case scenarios: http://blog.lostpedia.com/2007/10/losts-writing-on-wall.html

in 2001 i don't remember shows going off -- am i wrong?

was there a strike in 01? apparently the last writer's strike was in 1988.

It's good to know that they've got at least a half dozen episodes filmed, though. At this point, even though it's not ideal, I'd probably prefer that they show those as planned and then take a break, rather than hold off until they know they can show all 16 in a row.

As a side note, it's occurred to me that starting filming like five or six months before the show goes back on the air has the effect of taking away viewer feedback from the creative process. I don't know if that is a good or a bad thing when it comes to this show.

yeah i dunno.. the other thing is that ABC already promised no mid-season hiatuses, so i can just imagine the collective outrage if they do decide to show it with a break. i'm more worried about this affecting the daily show/colbert report actually - an election year without those guys would suck, whereas Lost has two and half seasons to make up for any mistakes they might make while the strike is on.

personally, I don't think we have anything to worry about just yet. the industry has gotten so big now that a strike by just one guild is going to halt production on a really large scale. for all their talk, i don't think any of them will allow that to happen.

they almost struck in '01 but avoided it at the last moment iirc

(that's what i'm imagining will happen again but that might be wishful thinking)

Ugh.

they were shooting this morning, fwiw.

latest news, 8 episodes ending in a cliffhanger. followed by second half whenever the strike ends.

ugh indeed.

as long as they don't try the "mini-series" bs this time it'll be okay.

if cliffhangers were assholes, lost would be... you get my point.

yesterday i was in the mall and i saw this guy and immediately got this feeling like, "ah fuck where do i know this freak from, fuck, fuck, fuck don't make eye contact... i cant place this guy but i know he's hella weird and i don't want to say hi to him so don't make fucking eye contact...."

and then i realized it was Benry.

The first of the LOST "Missing Pieces" webisodes from ABC.com has been posted...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28qi0cXggxE

Well, with regard to season four, Carlton and I are going into complete and utter radio silence.

I am still giggling at Daniels from The Wire joining the island.

Lindelof had an op-ed in the NYT over the weekend

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/11/opinion/11lindelof.html?ref=todayspaper

this 'webisode' was the lamest bunch of shit, jack and his dad getting weepy NO THANKS

he's probably a multi-gajillionaire, but it's a strong article.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irEAuBdhRN0

oh god i cant wait

sooooo siked

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

so 8 eps and then 6 month gap then?

OH

i think you can see Jacob at 1:03 altho appears to be in a suit so could be Hanso

lol?

http://base58.com/ilx/lostcow.jpg

OMGOMGOMG

Where did Locke get a new shirt?

Have you guys watched the MISSING PIECES?

Am I trying too hard or does the reflection in the water at the very end look like the reflection of a city skyline rather than that of a tropical island?

haha "Am I trying too hard" YAY LOST IS FINALLY BACK ALMOST.

LOST + THE WIRE YEAAAAH

am just catching up with the Missing Pieces now - the 'Room 23' one is pretty cool/intriguing

Tell me more about these "Missing Pieces".

http://www.tvweek.com/blogs/james-hibberd/2007/12/abcs_new_lost_trailer.php

real actual 2 minute trailer for season 4 (sorry if it's been posted up thread - the way youtube removes stuff etc)

I AM SO HYPED

http://www.tvweek.com/blogs/james-hibberd/2007/12/abcs_new_lost_trailer.php

real actual 2 minute trailer for season 4 (sorry if it's been posted up thread - the way youtube removes stuff etc)

I AM SO HYPED

-- Alan, Saturday, 22 December 2007 10:33 (18 minutes ago) Link

Best...promo...ever.

http://www2.b3ta.com/host/creative/55872/1186656057/thumb.talooraaye.jpg

Link to the ABC's Missing Pieces website.

wu tang/ D.I. crossover?

http://www.illestlyrics.com/images/img_652.jpg

look what i saw today:

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x18/gr8080/nnnnnnne003.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x18/gr8080/nnnnnnne005.jpg

oh awesome. i was watching the season three extras the other night and went on this long tangent in my mind about those vans: did they buy them in hawaii? borrow them? were they already blue or did they have to paint them? etc etc. and there they are. thanks gr8080

there is no shortage of VW buses on this island.

also, people ship cars here every day, so with the budget they have i'm sure it'd be pretty easy to find three identical ones on the mainland and ship them here.

after all, they shipped an entire plane here a few years ago:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/45/151529105_178f5e9525.jpg

that's the cockpit under the grey tarp in May 2006. it was gone the last time i drove by. maybe they revisit the cockpit this season?

i like how when you look at the rust pattern on the two worn out vans, you can tell they are doubles of the one van the guys find with the beer.

or is one before hurley gets it started and one after??????

maybe they revisit the cockpit this season?

yeah you see jack and kate with the cockpit in the trailer i think

When does this start?

31 jan

THAT'S TOO LONG TO WAIT.

http://www.johnfrom.org.au/face.html

maybe they revisit the cockpit this season?

Also it's behind Juliet, Sayid etc in the scene where Locke says "come with me if you want to live" in the long trailer.

THREE WEEKS GUYS

Muscle car in various stages of smashed-upedness obv in a flashback/forward...BUT my question is IS IT THE CAR DADDY CHEECH REYES PROMISED HUGO THEY WOULD FIX UP?

didnt we see kate in that car?

its been tooooooooooooo long i forget.

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Cars

oh lostpedia, i've missed you baby.

Strike rules means no recap show just before the new episode, probably!

i've got Premiere working again so the temptation to make a Lost music video has reared it's ugly head once more.

they need to drink kava on this show

Raa, I will be back in the uk before this returns! I wasn't looking forward to watching it with adverts, bleurgh.

What's the general opinion of the "Missing Pieces", er, bits? (I refuse to use the term ABC invented for them.) I thought the first one nicely showed an atypical moment in Jack's relationship with his father. With the rest, some are continuity fixes and the rest seem pointless.

What was the name ABC uses for them? I can't remember.

I think they're nice tidbits while the real thing is missing from my life.

MOBISODES

seriously.

Strike rules means no recap show just before the new episode, probably!

gah. great. and the 3rd season DVDs aren't out yet, right?

I'm pretty sure they are.

well, then, i will be buying them and watching as many as i can fit into a night. every night.

Too bad tvlinks is dead.

TWO WEEKS

OMFG.!

Anyone read the Matthew Fox cover story in EW? He lets on that in the flash forwards the returned castaways have made some sort of deal not to reveal what happened on the island and that Jack feels guilty for not getting everyone off.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20169281,00.html

Also says that Jack will return to the island.

I'm renting the whole of Season 3 from an internet DVD rental thing to watch again - I've only re-watched the first three episodes so far and had pretty much forgotten all of it except for Locke flame-throwing on a polar bear. Woo!

lol www.tv-links.cc nowadays

ONE WEEK

AND NINE HOURS

how many eps do we get? eight?

EIGHT

http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R5hE_8BEtCI/AAAAAAAARow/84BPUb2HF_g/s640/IMG_0420.jpg

whoa what's that?

http://bp3.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R4auf6Pc1bI/AAAAAAAAQkY/IOcHcD5gvjY/s1600/sayidjulietzz1.jpg

xpost billboard in tennessee

Six people get off the island then? Jack, Kate obviously, Claire is present in Desmond's vision, my guess would be Sun + Hurley + whoever's in the casket.

i spoilered on this whoops

to myself, i mean

Actually Hurley's on the beach isn't he? So its either him and Jin or neither of them.

Locke, Sayid and Sawyer to stay on the island please.

Starts 3rd Feburary at 9pm on Sky One in the UK.

That 8 minute 15 second complete series catch-up video is here:

www.wehavetogoback.com

Starts 3rd Feburary at 9pm on Sky One in the wee hours next Friday in the UK.

Day-and-date really has to kick in on this TV stuff internationally. I know so many people who find the notion of illegal downloading repellent, with LOST completely excluded.

I've learned to be very careful with my spoilage after the s3 finale. I've looked at promo pics and cast lists (Harold Perrineau is in main cast list but I doubt we'll see him until like episode 4 or 5) and that's it.

I like to imagine that with Jack leaving the island Sayid and Juliette will become an item.

I can't imagine Sun leaving the island w/o Jin, but that is just the kind of tearjerker I rely on LOST for.

I'm guessing Jack & Kate, Sun & Jin, Claire & Aaron.

I guess Jack, Kate, Sayid, Desmond, Claire, Baby Aaron.

I think Aaron doesn't count as one of the Oceanic Six as he wasn't born at the time. The guy in the casket is Mike, and both he and Walt will only appear in off-island flash-forwards (would also be a handy way of solving the problem of the actor playing Walt being 3-4 years older).

The guy in the casket is Mike

is this a spoiler u bastard?!?!

that didn't occur to me before but Michael was from New York and the newspaper clipping did say the man in question was from there. don't know if it's him or not (don't think it's Ben either tho).

(All of this is guesswork, I'm not reading no spoilers)

If baby Aaron doesn't count, I'm guessing Sun then - just from the line in the trailer (which, even though it's in all the ads, I don't want to write here lest I be accused of dropping a spoiler)

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/So_It_Begins

direct video link: http://ll.media.abc.com/video/flv/426x240/LOST_113_SoItBegins_MissingPieces_HD_1541896.flv

want Vincent flashback episode.