Jesus Fucking Christ: evangelical bigwig opposed gay marriage "because it takes the dirt and danger out of clandestine sex with rent-a-men"

"Gay prostitute" too bulky; "male whore" is much more better to say.

Whoops! Shame on me for giving up on that one days ago...

Trayce, I know nada about the facts in this one but the fact that he stepped down before it went any further suggests that where there's smoke there's, er, fire.

xpost - I thought it was an ephebic 49

WHO?!!?!

No, no, that's the first thing I thought too.

hmmm...

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38691000/jpg/_38691859_swaggart238.jpg

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http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2006/1102/20061102_032450_ol02haggard_300.jpg

Like there's some way of telling if somebody is gay or not!

http://media.graytvinc.com/images/haggard.jpg

put these on these on, they give you gaydar!

naaah

http://wonkette.com/politics/ted-haggard/ted-haggard-admits-something-212200.php

hahaha. Does he actually do the "yo man, what you got?"

ha ha to extended tongues, too:

http://www.evangelicalright.com/TedHaggard.jpg

wicked xpost

i dunno man, jimmy had sex with a woman for pay. that's probably far more forgiveable to these homophobes.

oh bring it on.

TEH GAY MENACE VS TEH FUNDIE MENACE. GAY MENACE WINS.

please.

hopefully for the slightly more reasonable it might lead to the revelation I KNOW AND LIKE LOTSA GAY WHO ARE PRETENDING TO NOT BE GAYS BECAUSE OF MY PREJUDICE!

these uber-homophobes' broken gaydar points to their comically villainous mental image of teh gays.

The only person to deliberately address the camera and make meta-commentary about the fact he's being filmed is Ted Haggard, President of the National Association of Evangelicals, who grabs the camera and jokes: "I think I know what you did last night! If you send me a thousand dollars I won't tell your wife!" He -- and the crowd -- laugh, and then he gives the kicker: "If you use any of this, I'll sue you." He's kidding, but it doesn't feel funny.

the thousand bux is for teh meth, obv.

SOMEONE PLZ TO YOUTUBE THIS CLIP

I don't think it's pessimistic to think it's more likely this will result in to paranoia of THE ENEMY WITHIN and serious witch-hunting.

The upside is it may result in hilarity, what with Dimmesdale-esque self-flagellating closet cases, and (with any luck) the Evangelical church screening hardcore gay porn and judging erectile response to find aforementioned ENEMY WITHIN.

uh... or not. I should stop projecting my fantasies now.

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Nothing gay here

http://www.blackshearonline.com/members/AardvarkCatalog/9990174443422/image3.jpg
http://www.blackshearonline.com/members/AardvarkCatalog/9990169448752/image1.jpg

dude has his own line of pious figurines, too

http://www.blackshearonline.com/members/AardvarkCatalog/9990237947668/image3.jpg

I want one!

(I'm not sure of the wisdom of having 'BO' on all his images.)

How do cherbim keep their little pudenda-hiding scarfs from falling off? Is it angel magic? The power of faith? Tiny boners?

1) Arranging to purchase Meth.
2) Arranging to get a Massage from grandpa-escort.
3) Arranging to meet in a hotel room for above two items.

Things Harrard has not yet admitted to:

1) Gayness
2) Extramarital Sex

Also, that the David Kuo guy is a lying worm to dare suggest that the Faith-Based office was nothing but a whorehouse of apparatchiks.

Here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6rSjrBhUIA&eurl=

Is it as good and even-handed as everyone is making it out to be?

"Is this something I can imagine of Ted Haggard? No," he said.

i love how theres always some dude who says this - yeah i dont spend alot of time imagining a wrinkly old dude getting teabagged in some econolodge neither!!!

XPOST

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

media/blog coverage:

-from Time Magazine

-Reaction from the guy who wrote that Harper's piece

-my usual go-to-guy for stuff like this, who mentions that Haggard was one of the guys who supported the fundies running amuck at the U.S. Air Force Academy(also located in Colorado Springs, where I almost attended)

-Dan Savage and here

???

http://static.crooksandliars.com/2006/11/haggerd-bush.jpg

I'm starting to believe that people who say "homosexuality is a choice" and believe that exposure to the very concept opens the door to "conversion" are... well... telling the truth as they know it.

I'm waiting for the DVD also. In other news, the Jesus Camp camp won't be in ND anytime soon.

yeah, similarly, i think that these folks' fucked-up view of gay people comes from the few massively closeted & dysfunctional gay folks in their own midst. In other words, when you repress that much, that deeply, for that long, shit's gunna manifest itself in even more fucked up ways.

An 1/8th probably.

Movies Napoleon Dynamite

oh and like this is a big fucking surprise

Depends. Probably last a serious user a week if they only used it themselves. If he was sharing it with a bunch of folks, maybe as little time as a long weekend.

Jesus... after I die.

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Talking to reporters outside his house Friday, Haggard denied the sex allegations but said that he did buy meth from the man because he was curious.

Wasn't that a King of the Hill episode?

Especially when the weak-willed perverts who shamelessly embrace their degenerate lifestyle are allowed to rub it in your face like that. With their Halloween parades. Because that's the day of witchcraft.

In July 1839 he married Catherine. The two maintained a 'rescue' home for prostitutes and Gladstone would, famously, trawl London streets at night, trying to persuade prostitutes to start a new life.

ESCORT: We had sex and did meth.
HAGGARD: That man is lying. I don't even know him.
ESCORT: No really, we had sex and did meth.
HAGGARD: Oh, him. He's just my masseur! That's all!
ESCORT: No, we had sex and did meth.
HAGGARD: Oh right, meth. I forgot, I bought some once, just to look at it.
ESCORT: No, we had sex and did meth.
HAGGARD: Oh, you mean sexual intercourse!

(etc.)

G. Boccaccio to thread!

"I see now the truth of what the good folk in Capsa told me, that serving God is a delight; for I never remember doing anything that gave me as much joy and pleasure as this putting the Devil in Hell. So I think the people who spend their time otherwise than in serving God must be very foolish."

(2) vid of the event

A letter of explanation and apology by Haggard as well as a word of encouragement from his wife will be read during services at New Life Church Sunday morning, the statement said.

"Our sermon today will be a little different..."

Now I have a deadline.

"Now I'm in charge...heheh."

Jones first learned of Haggard's firing in a telephone interview with The Denver Post.

"I hadn't heard," he said. "I'm sad. I didn't want to ruin his life or his family's life."

"I just said all that stuff because we were bros!"

homosexuals anonymous?

or does he do some serious soul searching, embrace his sexuality, and start a new movement within the church, changing the face of religion in america?

naaaaahhhh....

Haha dream on. I mean he might be one of those ex-ex-gays at some point, but those guys aren't changing the face of anything.

All he wanted to do was create his very own November suprise.

I don't see how that's even an issue. This guy has made a profession out of (in part) demonising homosexuality, so he is a huge hypocrite. It is he who has dragged his family and church into the issue through his own hypocrisy. Jones has no responsibility to protect him from himself.

and also the movement he represents and of which he has been a high-profile standard-bearer has been dragging the whole country through a nasty fight over civil rights in which they are -- by my judgment, and probably history's -- entirely and viciously in the wrong. he's a public figure whose power is partly based on encouraging bigotry and intolerance, so while i can have sympathy for him as an obviously deeply confused man, i can't feel bad about his loss of stature and authority. he was actively using it for bad ends.

plus, apparently, their wives are schlubs.

I thought exactly the reverse - that it appeared Haggard was barely restraining himself from violence. Dawkins was upset that his position was being misrepresented, but Ted had a look in his eye and tremble in his face that I associate with "get ready to rumble."

i would love if haggard took his NEA connections and worked for soul force, but i doubt its going to happen

Sooo OTM.

After reading that Harper's piece last year (incidentally, Jeff Sharlet is the best investigative journalist working today; seek everything he's done), I was so frustrated thinking I'd never really hear anything once any of these obvious maniacs fell hard... so this is hugely satisfying. You feel bad for his wife and family, of course, but fucking hell.

WE MUST SAVE WAL-MART!

Hi,

I am one of those people who is no longer shopping at Wal-Mart, but as I talk with other Christians I often get the response that they're going to continue shopping at Wal-Mart because probably all of the other stores we would shop at in place of Wal-Mart are also doing sinful things and/or supporting gay and lesbian groups etc. What is your response to this? Do you know if Kmart supports gays and lesbians? Do you have a list of businesses which Christians can support in good conscience?

I believe if I can address this issue I could be more effective in encouraging people not to support Wal-Mart.

Thank you,

Eileen K.

Hi Eileen,

Why Wal-Mart? It's very true that many other stores have also been bullied into supporting gay issues and have engaged in other evils, but Wal-Mart is special. It is the single largest private employer in America with 1.3 million employees. It is the largest retailer and the largest privately-owned retailer in America , with 127 million weekly customers. It boasts a $300 BILLION a year business . Wal-Mart is the biggest in everything! And it started out under Sam Walton as a godly, family-friendly operation. If we can fight and win at Wal-Mart, we'll be sending a strong message to other companies that they too need the support of American families to succeed and they won't get it by stomping on our values and encouraging and promoting those things that God abhors.

I hope this helps!

God bless your efforts for His kingdom.

Brenda/OSA

But in a news conference after the service, the head of the oversight board, Pastor Larry Stockstill of Baton Rouge, La., told reporters that Haggard denied engaging in homosexual acts or being gay. Stockstill said Haggard's admission that he received a massage from a gay man was enough grounds for the board to remove him.

At the same time, Stockstill said the board found discrepancies in Haggard's account. He did not go into detail.

"(Haggard) is not in touch with truth and reality, and he readily admitted that," Stockstill said.

A separate pastoral board, still being formed, will work further with Haggard to explore his sexual issues in more depth, Stockstill said.

well, off to rehab w/ mark foley for him, then

After being lambasted for years by the anti-family, pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, radical environmental left, Wal-Mart has finally succumbed to this constant harassment and blackmail. She has now chosen a policy of appeasement to assuage all of the false accusations leveled against her in hopes that the devil will somehow stop being so mean.

"is it backwards day?"

"yes. no. i mean, yes. i mean--"

Phrase it like that, and you'd have to remove half of anyone who's ever been to a day spa.

Additional weirdness: surely acknowledging the sin, evil, and temptation in the heart of man is appropriately religious already? INXS are good Calvinists, no reason to edit their work.

yeah, but remember how these guys work; acknowledging something they don't approve of without condemning it is identical to zealously advocating it, which is why talking about gay people or having a gay character on your tv show is akin to promoting the radical homosexual agenda.

Oh yeah, and that you should hire "heterosexual male assistants" to defend your priestly body from temptations of the world.

and all this is best described by Jon Swift, in an essay entitled "Ted Haggard Shows the Virtue of Hypocrisy"

He sat in on a conference call w/ Bush and other Evangelical leaders every Monday. He was in no way Bush's "top spiritual advisor," and despite the calls and meeting him in person, hardly influential at all in the Whilte House's policy making. He was more or less used in turning out the Evangelical vote. Its not like he was hooking Cheney up with meth and giving Bush BJ's.

I saw Jesus Camp this weekend and CAN NOT BELIEVE it isn't getting name-checked in every story about Haggard seing as though he's seen preaching a sermon on homosexuality in it.

not on a weekly basis, at least

That Driscoll entry gets pretty nuts in places, but for a man of the cloth to impose ragulations on himself such as "dont be alone with women" isn't any different from rules about High School teachers not giving rides home to students.

Not hysteria so much as being smart about the position you're in, and the potential for something fucked up to go down.

oh i know & understand that bit. It's the same doctrine that Billy Graham follows. There's just something about the guy specifying "male heterosexual assistants" that makes him sound like he need to be tailed by two strong, young bucks at all times.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. High school teachers aren't supposed to give rides home to students mostly because they have no good reason to fraternize with students outside of their work. (Also because the students are minors over whom teachers have extensive power.) For a man of the cloth to impose regulations on himself such as "don't be alone with women" would be more like ... a male teacher who tutors boys after school, but refuses to meet with a girl during study hall to discuss her grade.

agreed.

fwiw, my father has been a (much more moderate) Evangelical minister for 25 years and has never been alone with a woman who wasn't his secretary or someone in his family. I've never asked him, but I think he imposed that after the Swaggert thing.

(Please spare me the jokes about if my mom puts out.)

Nabisco, i suppose "alone" would be defined as "no one else is present, on the premesis, or witnessing our engaging with eachother." My father meets in private with female members of his congregation to discuss things, but someone always knows about it and sees the visitor come and go. Its not OMG MUST CONTROLL PENIS so much as realizing that you're somewhat vulnerable in a position like that.

(just a general comment, not following any discussion here)

P.S. You know what else helps with avoiding that kind of impropriety is if women can't leave the house at all unless accompanied by a male relative! Also if they wear veils and loose-fitting robes you won't be tempted by noticing that they look better than your old fat wife, who's really "let herself go."

- Betty Bowers, "America's Best Christian."

http://www.bettybowers.com/nl_nov2006.html

(The problem with things like "this" and Foley, though, is that it just cements the link in people's mind between homosexuality and secret sordid activity like drug use, soliciting minors, and prostitution; it doesn't seem to register that suppression of homosexuality might be a major part of how people end up in those situations.)

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yeah, that's the bit that other folks have talked about, and i might have even mentioned. That the hilariosly negative view these folks have about gay people, w/ all the pathological stereotypes & whatnot, is that the only gay people they ever come in contact with are those w/in their own midst who have had to repress so much for so long. Eventually they crack, and thus are evidence in some people's minds that gayes = teh evil.

Agreed.

i think the fact that bush had regular talks with a rabid YOUNG EARTH CREATIONIST is a lot more disturbing than any of this shit

Agreed!

Yeah, Grady, but like you say, that's an issue of deniability and ass-covering -- protecting yourself against accusation and slander -- rather than an issue of avoiding temptation.

You're half right. The other half is the fact that there are people who are drawn to those in a leadership position, be it a priest, minister, CEO, president, whatevs. People who actually wish to engage in some kind of behavior innapropriate of someone in that kind of role, NOT just make false accuations that are impossible to disprove. And when you're in that position, it can catch you off guard and you can fuck up. Again, we agree on Driscoll going way too far in this direction and placing blame on spouses who "let themselves go." My initial point was just that being aware of the potential for both slander AND tempation (not the kind of OMG I HOPE THAT HOT LADY IN THE 2nd PEW STOPS IN TODAY temptation, more the kind that can catch someone off-guard) is very real. I was just getting a little bothered that the sentiment was "hahaha xians r afraid sexx lolz."

If Haggard's unblinking congregation could sit and listen to such a liturgical Liberace week after week and not realize they were in the presence of someone who makes Barry Manilow in a full-length mink look butch, they really need to recalibrate their ability to detect prescription-strength doses of flamboyance.

OTM x100,000,000,000. In Jesus Camp he speaks of a life in Christ being FABULOUS. I swear I'm not making that up.

it just cements the link in people's mind between homosexuality and secret sordid activity

This is why i was unrealistically hoping Haggard could be a key person/symbol in changing the shape of homosexuality and religion in this country. Sadly, it will only reinforce cuurent views.

Well, the really unfortunate thing is that this country is full of well-adjusted gay couples who are Christians, and yet the evangelicals' rhetoric ensures that they'll never come into contact with them. (This would seem to be by design, actually: I assume the fear is that sharing anything with gay people -- trying to acknowledge common values at all -- will lead to GOD FORBID noticing that they tend to be decent human beings like anyone else.) The only way you can get that kind of example you're talking about would be ... well, the fairly unrealistic scenario of an unmarried clergyman being discovered as having a secret committed gay partner and raising adopted children in blissful good-citizen happiness?

ding ding ding.

Perhaps.

My fantasy scenerio was more along the lines of Haggard getting a divorce, dropping out of the spotlight for a number of years and then re-emerging as a homosexusal religious leader 100x more powerful than Vermont bishop guy. He cerntainly has a knack for leadership, and one would like to think that if he can build a congregation of 14,000 and have conference calls with the president while preaching homophobia that he can do the same as an openly gay man. One would like to think that the 14,000 member congregation, the 30mil association, all the political connections had less to do with his anti-gay anti-abortion stance than who he is as a communicator. The medium is the message, bro.

I know I'm sounding like I think Haggard is the best thing evah minus the pro-family rhetoric.

It's all just wishful thinking.

or at the very LEAST, get to know them, spend time with them, and perhaps gain some understanding as to where they're coming from.

True.

But Old Testament the story of Soddom and Gommorah is terribly misinterprited as a story about God hating teh ghey when its really a story about God punishing bloodthirsty rapists (hetero or homo).

but I agree in general abt the narrow interpretation of the story as being specifically homosexuality. Tho I believe there are several other OT passages commonly cited as "proof" that god hates fags. I forget where, Leviticus...? so many OT "laws"...

Leviticus 18:22 "You [masculine] shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."

Leviticus 20:13 "If a man lies with a male as a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them."

Now Jesus, for his part, did explicitly deny the necessity to follow all the rules laid down in the OT, so you can ostensibly combine that rejection of Jewish moral traditions with his "hey I love everybody" attitude and extrapolate from there that he woulda been cool with Rip Taylor or whoever, but I think we should all be able to agree that that's stretching it quite a bit.

It should also be noted that there is a considerably large movment within Evangelical churches to admit that the ways in which the church has dealt with honosexuals hasn't been Christ-Like©. This movment seeks some kind of reparations with the Gay community and encourages openly homosexual families into thier churches in order to treat them as Jesus would have and perhaps gain understanding from them... but still defines homosexuality as a sin only redeemable through a life in Christ.

It's a nice sentiment, but if you're only going half way, just fucking forget about it.

Shakey OTM re: Chick tract on Soddom and Gommorah.

Re: other OT passages, yes there's at least one in Leviticus. There's a hilarious "Open Letter to Dr. Laura" floating around the net where someone goes "gee, thanks for setting me straight on Leviticus' commandments regarding homosexuality. Can you set me straight on a few more?" ...and goes on to ask her stance on shearing sheep, disposal of moldy clothing, stoning of adulterers, and other things Leviticus goes into inane depth on. quite teh funny.

v. gene, where's yo' POWAH?!?!??

threads like these almost make me glad i done grown up episcopalian.

They make me completely glad I did!

Guess which column "lying with a man as a woman does" falls in to????

(not to be read as snarky at all)

what does that have to do with what we're talking about? Is it that you relate more to a group discussion that listening to a speech?

pretty much, yeah. especially by choosing the authoritative leanings of my high school sunday school teacher(an engineer for GM/Delphi) than the increasingly authoritarian/conservative leanings of our pastor.

but i mention this things just as background for me.

the website isn't there any more and i didn't take proper notes abt who the rabbi was, or what his school was

Well the Old Testament is totally packed with prostitutes, so I can't claim to be clear on when exactly that became on par with an "abomination." I mean, through those first dozen books or whatever, the Bible has more to say about the filthiness of menstruation than on anything having to do with whether prostitution is right or wrong.

oh yeah, Onan. Another example of God obviously stacking His book up with events that you can totally misinterpret whichever way you want if you wish to force whatever doctrine on your kids. And let us thank the Victorians to re-enforcing that.

vs

metaphorical = masturbation into a tissue/mouth/apple pie?

(sorry grady, is that what you mean?)

so frot's OK?

xpost No, seriously, the Old Testament is chock full of rape, dismemberment, warfare, slavery, intensely homosocial love, polygamy, prostitution ... I mean, if Paul Verhoeven directed a literal adaptation, it's certainly not anything you'd let your kids watch (which incidentally OMG, how can we help make that happen?).

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yeah, literally. Story of Onan, dude. Instead of impregnating his brother's widow, he pulled out and shot it all over her lower back tattoo.

That explains Huntington Beach, at least.

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I can only imagine the science behind these teachings.

Graham (to apprentice): "First, you will bleed me and I will measure my exhaustion by trying to run a mile while you time me. Tomorrow, I will whack off in a cup and run a mile. The day after we will continue the cracker experiments."

Apprentice (looking eager): "Sounds great, sir."

As Ned (Ragget.... am I the only one who finds thier names a little similar?) linked to yesterday, what he's actually admitting to is pretty vague.

Has the media put a fork in this story and moved on to election coverage? Will we see Haggart on the next Barbar Walters tell-all?

Dear Cecil:

While eating graham crackers recently, we were discussing the myth that they were invented to keep girls from engaging in, uh, self-abuse. Is this true? How were they supposed to work? Didn't Graham realize he might frustrate an entire generation? --Chris C. and Frank L., Washington, D.C.

Cecil replies:

Frustrate, nothing. Health lecturer Sylvester Graham (1794-1851) was trying to save shattered lives--not just of women, but everybody who suffered from what Graham referred to variously as "venereal excess" or "aching sensibility." Graham thought intense physical desire, no matter how expressed and regardless of whether you were married or not, was guaranteed to have dire physiological consequences.

A forebear of the hairy-palms-and-blindness school of moral instruction, Graham said excessive carnal exercise would cause indigestion, headache, feebleness of circulation, pulmonary consumption, spinal diseases, epilepsy, insanity, and early death of offspring, among other things. He thought men should remain virgins until age 30 and then should make love only once a month--not at all if they were sickly.

To control lust, Graham prescribed a special vegetarian diet, the centerpiece of which was "Graham bread," made from whole wheat flour. Graham crackers, which Graham invented in 1829, were another manifestation of the same idea.

Graham attracted a fair number of followers, who opened Graham boardinghouses in New York and Boston where his dietary regimen was observed. But most people regarded him as a nut. He was assaulted by mobs on at least three occasions, once by butchers and bakers who thought he was going to drive them out of business. He was cranky and aloof and alienated even those who admired him, so much so that he gave up the lecture business in 1839 and lived out the last years of his life in relative obscurity.

His saving grace was that in many important respects he was right. Although he was a little goofy on the question of sex, many of his ideas about health were sound. He advocated daily toothbrushing, once considered a revolutionary idea, as well as fresh air, regular bathing, exercise, and seven hours of sleep. During an era of recurring cholera epidemics he urged people to drink pure water.

Most important, we now know the diet he recommended to be vastly more healthy than the one Americans were eating at the time, or for that matter eat today. He railed against commercial bakers who used refined flour devoid of dietary fiber. He urged the consumption of fresh fruits, vegetables, grains, and seeds. Strictly verboten were fat, salt, sugar, tobacco, alcohol, and stimulants. Modern dieticians aren't as strongly opposed to meat as he was (although they'd certainly advise fish and poultry rather than red meat), and they'd go easy on the fat- and cholesterol-laden milk, cheese, and eggs he recommended. But by and large "the prophet of bran bread and pumpkins" was right on the money.

One more thing: if you were starting to feel virtuous because you eat graham crackers, don't. Despite the name, most brands of "graham cracker" today use refined white flour. If you want the real thing (more or less), try the Health Valley or New Morning brands, which can be found in health food stores. They use whole wheat flour, soy oil, unsulfured molasses, and no preservatives.

--CECIL ADAMS

Dudes were giving this out on campus the other day:

http://www.zambooie.com/product_images/x3church/X3BOOK112-ZOOM.jpg

It's just a really shitty translation of the new testament. I asked the guy handing it out what the translation was. He said, "Uh...English?"

I, state your name, promise to the best of my ability not to dress, buy clothes or act like a Ho. Clothes I should try to avoid buying or wearing: tight pants that are cut so low that when I bend over you can see my g-string or butt crack, tight half shirts that show my six or not-so-six pack, tight shirts that are low cut to show my cleavage or short shorts that you can see my butt cheeks in.

I know that God desires me to glorify him in all things and I realize that by dressing like a Ho, I only desire to give glory to me, not God. I also know boys have a problem with sexual things and I know that by not dressing like a Ho, I can be a part of the solution, not the problem!

Joel Osteen

http://lillebror.weblogg.no/images/lakevood_church_1144429395.jpg

What would it be called? The Massage?

And what about orange juice? "Do you know why God hates homosexuality?" Anita Bryant asked in the May issue of Miami Magazine. "Because the male homosexual eats another man's sperm. Sperm is the most concentrated form of blood. The homosexual is eating life."

Churches are churches, and this shit happens in all of them.

how does this square with what's mentioned in the Bible (not taking into account different versions over time), out of interest (and ignorance on this matter)?

http://www.kospn.com/images/ltg.gif

It's square with most people not giving a shit about the 16,000 rules in Leviticus.

for christians, all of the 16,00 rules of levticus have been updated, with the two rules of christ:

37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38This is the first and great commandment.

39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Matthew 37:40

now, you can give us metric tons of shit for not following those two, but dont expect us to keep kosher

xpost with shakey

http://www.newwest.net/index.php/topic/article/colorado_election_results_beauprez_ritter_perlmutter_odonnell/C69/L37/

i wonder if haggard's kids and santorum's kids can get together for grief counseling or something.

totally OTM. In fact, I thought I had Schadenfraude Fatigue going into the elections... turns out I was onlt getting warmed up!

And what about orange juice? "Do you know why God hates homosexuality?" Anita Bryant asked in the May issue of Miami Magazine. "Because the male homosexual eats another man's sperm. Sperm is the most concentrated form of blood. The homosexual is eating life."

that's funny, considering the eucharist is symbolic cannibalism.

But you also know that the official Church does not speak with one voice on this issue, to say nothing of parishoners. I have known more closeted gay and lesbian Episcopal priests than out ones. (I am including "out to everyone outside a 50mile radius of my Parish" types as closeted, because jeez, c'mon.)

Then, as if things could not get worse, there was the disgrace of Sheldon’s own friend and colleague, Rev. Ted Haggard, the Colorado mega-church leader and president of the National Association of Evangelicals, an even bigger pillar of Republican support on the Christian right. Sheldon disclosed that he and “a lot” of others knew about Haggard’s homosexuality “for awhile ... but we weren’t sure just how to deal with it.”

Months before a male prostitute publicly revealed Haggard’s secret relationship with him, and the reverend’s drug use as well, “Ted and I had a discussion,” explained Sheldon, who said Haggard gave him a telltale signal then: “He said homosexuality is genetic. I said, no it isn’t. But I just knew he was covering up. They need to say that.”

I still say if you think sexual orientation is a choice it's because you struggle with your attraction to people of the same sex.

-- hstencil (hstenc!...), November 9th, 2006.

but it's not symbolic man, its for rizzeal! transubstiation!

http://www.uschesslive.org/crowns/profiles/images/h318266.JPG

Yes, you are totally right.

The success rate of these therapies in actually changing clients' sexual orientation appears to have been between 0% and something less than 0.1%. The success rate at changing clients' sexual behavior is much greater. Some of these techniques can persuade homosexuals to be celibate, either through terror, guilt, or persuasion that God considers same-sex behavior to be an abomination. They can persuade bisexuals to confine their sexual activities to members of the opposite sex. They may even be able to train gays to successfully have sex with a woman, while fantasize about making love to another man. But therapies do not seem to be capable of changing one's feelings -- one's sexual orientation -- in the vast majority of people.

http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/N1942.Christianpost/B2123671;sz=728x90

such fun

Fisting in a Christian relationship:

http://www.sexinchrist.com/fist.html

Surely a hoax site?

(1) To avoid the impropriety of male homosexuality, a heterosexual couple should not under any circumstances form a threesome with another man.
(2) Both women involved in the threesome must be willing to keep within traditional female roles (i.e., not taking on masculine appearance or behavior in or out of the bedroom) and recognize the male as the leader in the relationship.
(3) If the wife’s lesbian sex partner is unmarried, it may be permissible for the husband to have relations with her only with his wife’s consent.
(4) If the wife’s lesbian sex partner is unmarried, but the wife does not wish her to have relations with the other woman, the husband should respect this.
(5) If the wife’s lesbian sex partner is married, her husband must not have objections to the relationship.
(6) If the wife’s lesbian sex partner is married, the husband should refrain from having any sexual relations with her, and should make every effort to control his fantasies about her. He should concentrate his attention on his own wife.

not exactly a hoax, but...

"Need money 4 degree"

i regret that all the jokes that would once have been funny are now hackneyed

This is from that website

SEO Text Browser

Anal Sex in Accordance with God's Will

Are you saving yourself for your wedding night? The Devil wants you to fail, that’s why he puts stumbling blocks in your way. But God wants you to succeed, and that’s why he has given us an alternative to intercourse before marriage: anal sex. Through anal sex, you can satisfy your body’s needs, while you avoid the risk of unwanted pregnancy and still keep yourself pure for marriage.

malicious parody definitely

technicalvirgin.com

The Rev. Ted Haggard, who left the megachurch he founded after admitting to "sexual immorality," has asked supporters for financial assistance while he and his wife pursue their studies.

Studies? We might need to ask if this is of the "Pete Townshend School Of 'Study'" before we sign checks.

New Life Church, founder Haggard end relationship

*nelson laugh*

wtf @ the ad placement

http://aycu07.webshots.com/image/42526/2000089929670841859_rs.jpg

^^that's a truth ad btw

a little more info here:

http://www.towleroad.com/2008/02/ted-haggard-qui.html

Just one year ago today, a four-member oversight board announced that after three weeks of intense counseling that Haggard was "completely heterosexual".

New Life recognizes the process of restoring Ted Haggard is incomplete

"restoring ted haggard" is a reality show just begging to happen.

omg so OTM

Who makes up the rest of the wacky cast?

(Rogermexico's thread title, meanwhile, is one of my all time favorites on this board.)

Retry? Cancel? Abort?

There's this.

And there's that.

Back for the attack!

As guests parked in his snow-crusted field and carried chocolate chip cookies and jugs of apple juice into the barn, he greeted them enthusiastically. "Look, everybody," Haggard announced when one person arrived with a special treat: "Chocolate cake!"

As the service began, he was jovial, even joking about his indiscretion. "If you're not getting enough snuggling [from your spouse], don't do it the way I did it," he said.

Also:

The rejection by friends and church members made his situation more painful, Haggard said. He did not name New Life, but spoke critically of people focused too intently on religion and rules instead of God. "When you get yourself in trouble, are they going to draw near to you? No, they're going to disappear. They're going to judge you," he said.

H.B. London, the vice president of church and clergy at Focus on the Family and a former member of Haggard's restoration team, criticized Haggard's decision to start a new church located so close to New Life as insensitive and premature.

London said he'd heard from many pastors who don't think Haggard is ready to lead a congregation again, asserting that Haggard didn't complete the restoration process and was still in need of counseling.

But London said it doesn't surprise him that Haggard can attract followers. "He was a hero to many people, and people are pretty forgiving. Forgiveness is good, but just because you forgive someone does not give them the right to just begin again, necessarily," he said.

Stuff like that fascinates me because of the whole idea of the sliding scale of forgiveness.

"If you're not getting enough meth and anal sex [from your spouse], don't do it the way I did it," he said.

"Now, about that cake."

aaaaand... bump

http://gawker.com/5531027/the-virulent-anti+gay-activist-who-brought-a-rentboy-to-europe-updated

Rekers has been speaking out against all things gay for many years now, so vehemently that one is led to assume that he's overcompensating for something. And indeed that looks to be the case. Rekers traveled to Europe on a vacation recently and hired an escort through Rentboy.com to "carry his luggage." He claims he recently had surgery and thus couldn't do the lifting himself. Why he found a porter through a gay prostitution website — the only place where Lucien, as the rentboy is called by the Miami New Times (who broke the story), offers his services — remains unexplained.

Sure, it's just the same old story: destestable Christian bigot exposed as howling hypocrite. But it never seems to grow stale, does it?

But where else would you rent a boy to carry your luggage?

Man I know this is extremely touchy-feely territory & I can also get into the schadenfreude of hateful hypocrites getting their comeuppance for sure, but amidst that feeling when this sort of thing happens I usually also feel a terrible sadness. Because when a guy makes his lifework this sort of "ensure that being gay is seen as wrong/erase gains made toward dignity and acceptance/un-liberate everybody" thing, and it turns out, not even surprisingly at all to anybody any more, that the guy in question is gay or bi -- I mean to me it seems like the process in these guys' heads has gotta be a walking daily Hell of self-denial and self-hatred -- it has to be like constantly policing yourself to never, ever for a second contemplate who you might really be, what your real feelings are, what kind of life you'd actually like to lead; never share with anybody how and who you are; construct an entire life toward trying to strike the pose of being the sort of person you think of as good, as opposed to the sort of person you make a point of painting publicly as sick or narcissistic or sinful, which is actually just you talking about how you feel about yourself...I mean, fuck these guys for all the harm they do, but that they spend most of their lives in this prison of shame is tragic to me. getting all the way to old age without ever allowing yourself the chance to be who you are without hiding it? having a whole family to whom you can only show part of yourself? that is so sad, what a sad world.

Who knows what is really going on in their heads, I think one of the appeals of this kind of story is the sheer unfathomability of what they must be thinking. But to put a different spin on it, perhaps they're having the time of their lives railing against teh homos while gaily bumming around all up the whazoo in private. Kind of like yer socialist dictator preaching collectivism while lording it up in a palace.

The world is too sad and life is too short to waste any of our empathy on people like him.

jesus f christ wd disagree iirc

Empathy for his personal suffering doesn't absolve him of responsibility for his sins against other people.

But to put a different spin on it, perhaps they're having the time of their lives railing against teh homos while gaily bumming around all up the whazoo in private. Kind of like yer socialist dictator preaching collectivism while lording it up in a palace.

kinda like this reading - maybe guys who do this are just berzerker sociopath gay men who get laffs from making a bunch of fundies think they're all on the same side

gotta make the sex hotter too knowing that if you get caught it will completely fuck everything up

(and yeah, Laurel, obv me feeling these stories are tragic absolves no one of anything - to the best of my knowledge I do not have the authority to grant absolution, though I should check, I think I'm due for a pay grade increase and maybe now I can pardon people for foul shit)

Empathy for his personal suffering doesn't absolve him of responsibility for his sins against other people.

― wasting time and money trying to change the weather (Laurel), Wednesday, May 5, 2010 9:40 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

word, otming aerosmith more than anything

I wonder if, when you spend your life working to make the world a worse place for gays (for instance), and you are somewhat successful, your paranoia about BEING one and having to hypothetically LIVE in the world you've created increases, which makes you agitate against it/yourself even more, which makes the world seem worse for your kind, which makes you react MORE strongly, which...etc. Obvious stuff really but since we're looking for a window into this kind of thinking....

How many of these guys WANT to be caught, do you think? Probably everyone does at some point, just to contemplate getting off the merry-go-round even if they don't want to go through the upheaval that results.

ike constantly policing yourself to never, ever for a second contemplate who you might really be, what your real feelings are, what kind of life you'd actually like to lead; never share with anybody how and who you are; construct an entire life toward trying to strike the pose of being the sort of person you think of as good, as opposed to the sort of person you make a point of painting publicly as sick or narcissistic or sinful, which is actually just you talking about how you feel about yourself

i thought this was just called "being alive"

or have i said too much

haha

what's amazing is how common these stories are.

more amazing is how some ppl don't understand why everyone assumes virulent homophobes are closeted gays given the frequency of these stories

my guess is (james baldwin ahoy) people like this get into the firebreathing racket early in life and those already in it are more than happy to have them.

...and we'll probably never really know how it works since none of these dudes has the self-possession to give an honest account of their life, inner or outer. they're too deep in the game, and the whole life around it; self-exile is hard work and these guys have raised cowardice to an artform. ted haggard did a prayer weekend and he's off the cock now, remember?

jd otm

interesting how this guy helped enforce Florida's gay adoption ban, 'cos it could lead to "sexual abuse of an adolescent male foster child by that homosexual"; adopts a 16 yr old boy himself, and then has sex with a rent boy that is barely a few yrs older than that. Sooooo hypocritical.

Going down fighting. As it were.

lolling hardcore at "teensextoday.com"

this slanderous article

fightin' words!

and we'll probably never really know how it works since none of these dudes has the self-possession to give an honest account of their life, inner or outer.

http://rgr-static1.tangentlabs.co.uk/media/9781400047284/blinded-by-the-right-the-conscience-of-an-ex-conservative.jpg

oh right, forgot about that dude.

and gram the one-eyed snake

his research contributions on child gender identity disorder.

WTF

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2010/05/06/alg_abs_rekers_inset.jpg

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFo8NGO4nTA

Contrary to Internet stories based on this slanderous article, following medical advice Professor George Rekers requires an assistant to lift his luggage in his travels because of an ongoing condition following surgery.

As documented in this photo... er...

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/06/article-1273778-09741145000005DC-475_468x357.jpg

What's worse is this guy was in Europe. Is he also secretly a socialist who hates America?

one thing's for sure: whether it's to talk or keep quiet, the kid's going to end up getting paid a lot more for his week in europe than he planned

oh look, new hilarious update at professorgeorge.com (boldface his):

Dr. Rekers found his recent travel assistant by interviewing different people who might be able to help, and did not even find out about his travel assistant’s Internet advertisements offering prostitution activity until after the trip was in progress. There was nothing inappropriate with this relationship.

"I need a stenographer."

"A stenographer?"

"...yeah."

"Huh."

"Wait, no, an ostler."

Anyway:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9Y1mFTNU2c

"I need a stenographer... for my COCK."

"Monster.com, just what I needed!"

...

"Wait, this isn't about...um..."

Elsewhere:

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2010/05/video_stephen_colbert_names_ge.php

'Lifting luggage' = 'naked body rubs'. One for urbandictionary.com, then.

New Times spent more than three hours with Lucien in the wee hours of Thursday morning. Check back this afternoon for stories detailing the trip, the document Rekers asked Lucien to prepare in the hopes of preventing any future disclosures, and a character sketch of what we think is a brave kid -- one who dawdled for less than 24 hours before opting to tell an exceptionally painful story.

What's worse is this guy was in Europe. Is he also secretly a socialist who hates America?

― Adam Bruneau, Thursday, 6 May 2010 10:00 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

He is proving how much he likes america by only renting american boys rather than giving into free socialised european boys.

how much luggage does one teen sex specialist need??

those are the bags the various pieces of his cut-up body were to be secreted in

Carefully phrased.

one does what one can

okay that sentence really pivots on how you interpret 'secreted'

And pronounce it...

i dont mind these guys bc they make it really easy to b. all "lol u homo-repressive hate internaliser" to homophobes

they'd be easier to not mind if they also didn't work so hard to make so many people's lives miserable

misery loves company, tho

sometimes it even rents it

well played

ike constantly policing yourself to never, ever for a second contemplate who you might really be, what your real feelings are, what kind of life you'd actually like to lead; never share with anybody how and who you are; construct an entire life toward trying to strike the pose of being the sort of person you think of as good, as opposed to the sort of person you make a point of painting publicly as sick or narcissistic or sinful, which is actually just you talking about how you feel about yourself

i thought this was just called "being alive"

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 5 May 2010 16:35 (Yesterday)

i know you're joking or doing your ilx "thing" but that just makes your sad bullshit disgusting bullshit.

Man I know this is extremely touchy-feely territory & I can also get into the schadenfreude of hateful hypocrites getting their comeuppance for sure, but amidst that feeling when this sort of thing happens I usually also feel a terrible sadness.

...

I mean, fuck these guys for all the harm they do, but that they spend most of their lives in this prison of shame is tragic to me. getting all the way to old age without ever allowing yourself the chance to be who you are without hiding it? having a whole family to whom you can only show part of yourself? that is so sad, what a sad world.

― brad whitford's impotent rage (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Wednesday, May 5, 2010 9:20 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

to go back to this for a second. j0hn's post got me thinking about compassion and politics in this case. j0hn's point is totally sound but i find i just have a limited amount of mercy for guys like this. a lot of people are self-hating for any number of reasons but very few make a whole damn career out of it, which j0hn also said.

rekers himself was the one who chose to be a public face of anti-gay politics, is it right then to judge him as such, rather than as a broken-down guy with a twisted life? i know you must be miserable, dr. rekers, but by ye fruits (lol) we shall know you, so fuck you -- is that fair?

putting on my scolding PC hat, i have to say i'm a little uneasy with the rent-boy punchlines, lolsy as they are. give a thought to Lucien the whore. it's not an easy life.

I don't think any of them have (intentionally) been at Lucien's expense.

there's more homophobia in media rentboy jokes than reker's entire career

can i see your math on that?

He is proving how much he likes america by only renting american boys rather than giving into free socialised european boys.

In London, those now loiter on the half-dead part of Oxford Street by Centre Point, if dude is willing to go free-range.

lol that was phrased in a challopy way, sorry. i just don't think that the secret-gay's anti-gay career affects society at large or gay people nearly as much as omnipresent assumptions and stereotypes about hot man sex or whatever do, even if they appear to be relatively harmless and played for laughs, and that valuing person x's bad, bad public career against the dysfunctionality of their personal lives in order to feel good about condemning something is such a red herring. i mean, i'm not the one who's comparing ethical sums here! x-post

i'm afraid i don't understand what you mean there.

what i said was, yes, i made a judgement, but then wondered if the judgement is fair, and wondered if the public/private split really matters

Dear Matt P: No

The rentboy lulz I've seen don't seem any more specifically homophobic than the Ashley Dupré lulz tbh. Whereas...

During a presentation on research conducted by George A. Rekers, professor of Neuropsychiatry and Behavioral Science at the University of South Carolina, the presenters noted that “boys and girls adopted by lesbian and homosexual couples show a greater level of stress than that which is already generated by their status as orphans or children abandoned by their biological parents.” They added that this situation “produces diverse trauma and behavioral disorders that can even lead to suicidal tendencies or attempts.”

“According to various studies containing testimonies from children of homosexual parents, most them of admit to suffering strong emotions, such as fear, anxiety, apprehension, shame and anger in trying to hide from their friends and relatives the homosexuality of their father or mother,” they continued.

http://www.calcatholic.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?id=ab3efae8-b9bf-4269-828b-13604acaa059

ha, then i agree with you. i get annoyed by the schadenfreude in instances like this and i'm trying to articulate why. not arguing w/ anyone per se. it might sound like it just cuz it bugs me.

x-post ok, i was waiting for someone to give an example! the guy can go fuck himself obviously. but i still think there's a better way to deal w/ the damage of "research" like that than to hang the author for being a fuck-up. i think it's good to know to clear the air for some, but it doesn't really change any opinions imo, or self-opinions. it's not like it has to. but when people think it's more important than it is or proves something that it doesn't -- not thinking of anyone here -- then it's annoying and wrong imo

there's more homophobia in media rentboy jokes than reker's entire career

I think I might get what you're saying. More or less homophobia, I don't know, but whereas Reker's homophobia is considered unacceptable, it seems pretty OK to mock the hustler boy and whatever you imagine he did with Reker.

One of my best friends just told me he went out on a date with "Lucien" last year.

date or "date"?

He wouldn't say, but they're still friends.

I'm not very fond of Miami New Times' coverage of this, btw.

A few commenters there have brought up a key point -- how exactly did the MNT reporters know to look for them in the first place?

It's an excellent question, and the answer may prove interesting, but it's hard to pay attention when the man himself is sending amateur-hour letters to Miami New Times like this one:

Dear [reporter who got the ball rolling],

If today's news story in the Miami New Times is accurate, I have been advised to retain the services of a defamation attorney in this matter, because the fact is that I am not gay and never have been.

My travel assistant called me this afternoon earnestly asking me to clarify on my website that he worked for me as a travel companion and not as a prostitute. I completely agreed with my travel assistant that it is absolutely true that I hired him and he worked for me as a travel companion and not as a prostitute. I also read to him the first sentence that has been posted on my website for several days that says, "A recent article in an alternative newspaper cleverly gave false impressions of inappropriate behavior because of its misleading innuendo, incorrectly implying that Professor George Rekers used the Rentboy website to hire a prostitute to accompany him on a recent trip."

Two days ago a professor friend of mine recommended that I ask my travel assistant to send me an email saying what happened on the trip so I could post a statement on what we agreed on. When I called my travel assistant to ask if he would write a statement to me, he asked me to send him questions to remind him of what topics about our trip he should write to me about, which I did on May 4.

Here are the four questions that I sent my travel assistant at his request two days ago, together with the answers we agreed on in our phone conversation this afternoon:

1. Did Dr. Rekers in fact hire you to lift my luggage when necessary as a travel assistant during the trip, because I cannot do so myself since I had surgery?
Together we agreed that I in fact hired him to lift luggage when necessary as a travel assistant during the trip, because I cannot do so himself since having surgery. We agreed that this is what my travel assistant agreed to do for pay prior to taking the trip.

2. Did you in fact lift my luggage during the trip each time it was necessary, or did Dr Rekers lift his own luggage during the trip?
We agreed that my travel assistant did in fact lift my luggage each time it was necessary, that I did not lift my luggage, and my travel assistant did all the lifting.

3. Did Dr. Rekers hire you as a prostitute for the trip?
We agreed that I hired him as a companion and to help with luggage, and that I did not hire him as a prostitute for any sexual purpose.

4. Did Dr. Rekers spend time explaining how the Christian faith is based in love to you during the trip?
We agreed that I explained the Christian faith to my travel assistant in conversations on several days during the trip.

Sincerely,
George A. Rekers, Ph.D.
Distinguished Professor of Neuropsychiatry and Behavioral Science Emeritus
University of South Carolina School of Medicine
Fellow, American Academy of Clinical Psychology
Diplomate in Clinical Psychology, American Board of Professional Psychology

together with the answers we agreed on in our phone conversation this afternoon:

Truly wonderous stuff, that.

completely agreed with my travel assistant that it is absolutely true that I hired him and he worked for me as a travel companion and not as a prostitute.

Admirably legal prose.

that letter is amazing

And then there's this.

The conversation was too sad, by then, and we couldn't bear to follow it. The whole thing felt pornographic. One of us took a bathroom break; the other of us left the couch and stood by a window.

oh fuck off

The NT reporters were practically getting massages too throughout.

Maybe all four of them are in on it.

thankin u rekers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K63GUKF9EOc

so wait people actually say things like "I'm getting pressured out of the gay community"?

I guess they do when they are actually getting pressured out of the gay community.

4. Did Dr. Rekers spend time explaining how the Christian faith is based in love to you during the trip?
We agreed that I explained the Christian faith to my travel assistant in conversations on several days during the trip.

Mostly the 'Love thy neighbor' part.

it was sort of disconcerting to get to the bottom of that article and have this ad sitting next to it:

http://imagec12.247realmedia.com/RealMedia/ads/Creatives/TheVoice/mia_House-BOM_050510_300b_ROS/mia_House-BOM_050510_300b_ROS.gif

Yeah, I though Angel was the worst "Rent" character too...why put him in that ad?

http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/05/my-interview-with-jo-vanni-roman.html

'He was definitely totally gay for me.'

"Well, I do have to get up early for an interview. You know that guy, the gay reporter on TV?"

Hahaha - that's great. I think I have a crush on Jo-Vanni.

Or maybe it's a desire to protect him.

http://chazonator.blogspot.com/2010/05/i-am-original-reker-rent-boy.html

This is turning into some Tiger Woods bullshit.

Furthermore, Rekers is no Pastor Ted Haggard. Those who know me are aware that Ted Haggard has become a friend of mine. I believe Ted Haggard is a faithful husband to his wife. He is a dedicated Christian, and he is no enemy of gays.

wait what

I felt an attraction to Pastor Ted the first moment I laid eyes on him. I wanted him, and I couldn’t help myself. I knew he was married and I knew it was wrong, but I wanted this man and I was determined to get him. I thought of ways to let him know how I felt. I planned how I would test him and see if he wanted me to. I fantasized about having an affair with Pastor Ted Haggard. For as much as my hard cock wanted it my conscience wouldn’t allow me to make a move on him. I gave him every opportunity to make an advancement on me. I remember waking up and finding him reading the bible on his treo, which is an older kind of I-phone. He would pace back and forth, in his boxers, and pray. One morning, I woke up with wood, and I saw him pacing back and forth. He was wearing different underware this time. They were tight and white. I could see the full impression of his cock and I swear, I almost came on myself just looking at him. As he walked back and forth his huge cock moved with his left leg and his balls jiggled inside his package. I couldn’t stop starring at him, and when he almost caught me I pretended that I was praying too. I was praying. Praying he would fuck me!

what the fuck blog is this

On the interwebs, no one knows u r lyin.

his balls jiggled inside his package

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6ysl_lq7IU

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2010/05/_despite_what_anti-gay_evangel.php

Also, this, asking a lot of the same questions raised here at points:

http://blog.unzipped.net/2010/05/what-a-mess-george-rekers-miami-new-times-penn-bullock-brandon-k-thorp-and-rentboy-jovanni-roman.html

The editor wrote this in the comments section:

Chuck Strouse says:
I am the editor of Miami New Times. No money was paid to a source in this story and nothing unethical or illegal was done. Our reporters have no personal relationship with anyone involved in the story. For anything more, read the stories that will continue to appear on our website and in print.

Meantime, the two reporters tell their side of the story.

his balls jiggled inside his package

um, ow?

I just...

Thorp and Bullock went about the task of writing their story methodically. First, it was not Roman that tipped them off to the lead the young man was in Europe with Rekers. Instead, it was a friend of Roman’s, who was an ‘authorized user’ of his e-mail account. Apparently, while reviewing Roman’s contacts, he came upon the escort’s famous client, and contacted his friend, Bullock. His goal was to expose Rekers, a married man, for hiring a male escort.

Kinda inevitable:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/rekers_resigns_from_board_of_ex-gay_group_narth.php?ref=tn

Meantime, more 'how the story happened' stuff:

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2010-05-13/news/how-george-alan-rekers-and-his-rent-boy-got-busted-by-new-times/

The two guys standing nearby make the young man even more uneasy. One of them holds a hot-pink digital camera, and both are trying hard not to look his way. They keep stealing glances, which the young man tries to ignore.

more slash fiction, I see.

Rather.

what kind of an acronym is NARTH

it's like a hair's-breadth away from being an annoying sidekick character on a kid's cartoon

Sounds like a name for an NPC orc.

Thrall, Garrosh, Narth... yeah, that could work.

Best campaign ever!

more slash fiction, I see.

OTM. Really hard to read. Congratulations on making it all about about you, dudes.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e2/Marthshadowdragon.jpg

OTM. Really hard to read. Congratulations on making it all about about you, dudes.

― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:15 PM

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