I'm 27 now, and I just bought another pair of baggy jeans... When should you start dressing like an adult?

Yes, about 17 years ago.

Except today, it's fucking hot.

it often seems, to me, that some men barely think about what they are wearing

are you talking (in part?) about t-shirts/football shirts/sportswear, as day-to-day clothing, on people over a certain age?

I try not to think about what I "should" wear. I think I would dress more badly and feel more awkward, if I did

OTM

Of course there's a huge population of 20/30-somethings, you'd just never know it from the way they dress.

-- teh_kit is jayne without the tits (kittenslikemil...), July 29th, 2006. (g-kit) (later)

OTM, sure, but it's not going to make you look any better.

RJG, i'm not really talking about t-shirts/football shirts/sportswear, but that's part of it. i'm talking in general about the kinds of casual wear that men generally do wear & whether it's camper shoes or baggy trousers or stripey t-shirts i usually think that yeah, it would look ok on a toddler but it doesn't look ok on someone in their 30s. i really DO think that people should wear whatever they want to wear but i don't think it follows that they should feel proud of it.

minus the ballcap, this is what i'm wearing right now. i understand the antipathy, but really, shorts-sandals-t-shirt is comfortable. it's what i wear for as much of the hot months as i can get away with. i guess i could wear a tunic or something. i kind of wish there were more tunics available in your average mens store. but don't take away my shorts and sandals, dammit.

WOT? REAL grunge or that faux marc jacobs shit?

i'm thinking a large part of this comfort is psychological - as in not having to think about it. if you approach clothing as a chore than you'll never dress well. if you actually take an interest, you'll likely start to enjoy the whole process. there'll be some slight discomfort as you rub up against your habitual patterns, but being a little brave in this situation might be a good training ground for becoming an adult altogether.

xpost

You might indeed. Although you would probably look "comfortable".

I won't grow up.
Not a penny will I pinch.
I will never grow a mustache,
Or a fraction of an inch.
'Cause growing up is aw-full-er
Than all the awful things that ever were.
I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up,
No sir,
Not I,
Not me,
So there!

I work in corporate America, and I'm really sick of seeing guys dressed in golf shirts and khakis. It is really horrible. I don't support dress codes at work, but I do wish people would make an effort to look good.

yes!

no no, shorts-tee-sandals is comfortable comfortable. when it's hot and sticky, it's the closest you can get to going naked and still be able to walk down the street without getting funny looks. (you can ditch the shirt altogether, i guess, but that risks sunburn and anyway not many of us guys have torsos that we're proud enough of to display so nonchalantly). i do wish western men's clothes would pick up on some of the loose robe-y stuff from asia and africa, especially with the planet melting and all.

i have no objection to dressing well -- i'd love to have a fully tailored wardrobe -- but don't underplay the effort and expense it entails.

holy shit that's so correct my head is going to explode.

OMG you totally should. We're going to hell anyway, might as well.

(Especially stuff that's wearable in 95-degree heat, with no A/C. And that costs less than $80 for a complete outfit. Yeah.)

i have no objection to dressing well -- i'd love to have a fully tailored wardrobe -- but don't underplay the effort and expense it entails.

-- is totally OTM: if you're making less than $20k a year, buying fancy tailored stuff just isn't on.

BAD: http://cdn.llbean.com/products/mens/36416/images/M36416_Heritage_Khaki.jpg

Potentially quite good: http://www.oldnavy.com/Asset_Archive/ONWeb/Assets/Product/400/400403/main/on400403-00p01v01.jpg:

I have seven outfits identical to this that I wear for work/leisure

I also realize this is why both of my brothers freaked the fuck out when they had to go shopping for their first suits -- one of them actually broke into a cold sweat and had to leave the store because of the pressure of his own idea of adulthood; I suspect he didn't have any mental models for being self-sufficient without "selling out". The Midwest is a weird place sometimes.

I wonder if I will reach a certain age where I'll feel compelled to dress like a senior citizen.

Given things like that, it's hard to feel like I can go into a store and find choices that are "safe". It'd be nice if there were an affordable store where you could go and know that anything you buy is OK and not something that's going to get you smirked at.

(btw my post was an xpost to Laurel)

xpost Um, whatever.

Once I got a sense of what fit me well, it was a lot easier to find stuff that I liked and that looked good on me. I can't say that I've found a lot of great, inexpensive clothes though...

Sure. Just wear black.

how come Sam Cassell and Russell Simmons look weird in the way they dress

http://www.mensflair.com/media/mens-linen-pants-dolce.jpg

But I can't afford to pay $132 for them! On sale, no less! And linen is pretty fragile, isn't it? One slip, a little red wine or spaghetti sauce in the wrong place, and poof, there goes $132...

Meanwhile, I was looking at some of the featured fashions on the Details site: $650 for a sweater? $300 for a pair of jeans? Yikes!

otm. In my case, every tall men's shop I've ever seen is an timewarp horrorhouse of pleats and rayon and polyester and wilted polo-golf-elastic-easyfit shit, plus they figure every person going there is just a MOUNTAIN OF A MAN so you'll see pant waists starting at 40" for example, nothing for the lanky among us. Old Navy, of all places, is the only place I can reliably get semi-fashionable casual pants off the rack, which means I have to deal with my clothes falling apart after 6 months or so. Been meaning to troll downtown L.A. for a whole new, more formal wardrobe for work and elsewhere, just been putting it off.

Good looking adult menswear gets expensive real fast, esp if you are like me and can't wear anything off the rack.

sales, used - get creative, does not have to be expensive

So, even on the rare occasion when I can find pants with a waist size that is even close, inseam is way too long. With jackets and shirts, it's just an impossibility.

go to a tailor, it's not v expensive. there are no pants made in my size, so this is a regular occurrence for me. try chinatown (if they have one of those where you are).

how come Sam Cassell and Russell Simmons look weird in the way they dress

this is an utterly fascinating question - im gonna think on it.

Clothes can get expensive, but it's hardly an intractable problem. If you want to dress well, you can find a way even on a modest budget. Creativity is key!

on the bus sometimes i see these noo meeja wankers all the time, with their regulation hipster specs and 'funky' t-shirts and low-slung jeans and trendy trainers and scarves and shit - and then they have their paunches hanging out, and they haven't shaved properly (in a lazy-slob way rather than a designer-stubble way), and their hairline is receding - sometimes i see the most pathetic attempts to create a hairstyle out of little more than one tuft of remaining hair. and it looks so, so lame, and sometimes i laugh out loud at them.

Best grown-up outfit: Jeans, nice belt, white shirt with open collar, crisply cut dark jacket.

antexit: *BARF*

Auntie X, you are an enduring classic, I thought of your suits just the other day.

Oh no.

:( I'd best get some proper clothes then.

as usual, g. is right.

It's not a receeding hairline, it's a widow's peak.

You're right, though, that it helps to start simple -- or better yet, start by just looking at things, not buying. Then buy one piece at a time, as you think it over and get comfortable with the idea. "Hm, grey flannel trousers. Am I a flannel kind of guy? What'll they go with, how will I wear them" etc etc. When you feel good about something, THEN purchase.

One cannot look like RJG just overnight, obv.

AX: I recommend some judicious sun-bathing on the roof of your building in the pre-beach season.

i wish they had pleated faces

This girl I used to date said (half-ironically, though) that real men always wear a belt. What's the deal with this? I only wear if I have pants that are baggy enough that they're in danger of falling down.

For men, is it a sign of adulthood that you start wearing your shirt inside your pants, and a belt on top of that? Because I hate wearing shirts inside my pants, once I start doing that I must've irredeemably turned into a grown-up.

so is the beach tho. don't want sand in ears/elsewhere.

actually this is not correct. getting trousers shortened is cheap - anything else is certainly not.

most people wear a belt whether their trousers would fall down without one or not. stop pretending that that is some kind of mind blowing fact.

nothing wrong with belts.

(x-post)

belts tie a look together, like functional jewelery

Dress shirts: also woven cotton but trimmer-fitting, shouldn't be able to get more than two fingers in the collar. Tails are long to stay tucked in all day, and will look disproportionate out. Can have serveral styles of collar (pointed/spread/tab/etc), tie basically a "must" with all of them.

Better?

i just discovered a shoemaker who can remake my favourite shoes which one day soon are going to fall apart omg.

xpost :)

xp Enrique, I think pretty much all men's shirts, even polo shirts, were originally meant to be tucked in. The big innovation of Lacoste at some point was having a longer back than front so it wouldn't come out during tennis. The untucked button-down shirt-- where did I read that it was started by teenagers who wanted to hide their involuntary boners? This also explains the big jersey and the nightgown-style white t!

haha!

i guess some shirts have longer tails than others.

now i'm thinking that pleated pants are for hiding small boners.

i'm also thinking that the word boner is freakin hilarious.

(xp)

Shorts: I don't hate 'em, I know it's the thing to hold them in high contempt but I do love beach and resort wear done a little bit askew (perhaps comes of growing up a townie in a resort area). It's just when they're bad, they're very VERY bad. And while I'm a confirmed slob in my home-time, I like the push towards some degree of formality in public. Not saying head-to-heel seersucker or anything (although I've seen some REMARKABLE suits around Rock Center lately), just a nudge in the right direction.

Oh, XP.

guys look great in shorts as long as they are this kind:

http://www.shockadelic.com/0412.jpg

viva la 70s

Possibly harder to interpret in the suburbs when you have to drive to big box stores all day running errands with three kids in tow? I mean, I'm not unsympathetic. But then, people in those kinds of situations don't give a shit whether ILX likes their shorts anyway, they've got other things to worry about.

people for which fashion is more important than comfort should be shot, then deported, then brought back to the country, and hanged, then everyone can point at their sweaty crotch stain and be like "ewwwwwww!"

(i am being very silly here, but it's still odd)

*rolls eyes*

Folks, I wear shorts in my Everyday Working World Situation, the mild winters excepted, because:

1) I live in Southern California and frankly that is reason enough at least nine months out of the year

2) There is no formal dress code situation at work, which is one of the best benefits about this place -- I think requirements about what specifically to wear at work outside of a military/uniformed practice context are stupidly petty

3) As has been noted, it is comfortable, and if there is a choice between working and feeling comfortable and working and NOT feeling comfortable, then what the hell are you going to think I'm going to choose?

When I'm out at dinner with friends, on a date, at a get-together, nine times out of ten I will be dressing far more formally precisely because I enjoy dressing more formally for THOSE situations. And that is I think all that has to be said about it.

if they go below the knee, why not just wear pants? do shins get that hot?

Monday
92°F (33°C) | 75°F (24°C)

Tuesday
95°F (35°C) | 80°F (27°C)

Wednesday
95°F (35°C) | 76°F (24°C)

xpost - shorts and sandals for men are seriously polarizing issues.

Oh baby, etc.

every male fashion thread ever on ILX becomes a discussion about shorts.

I can only conclude many ILXors were attacked by shorts when they were children and have been scarred.

forgot I had this photo but it doesn't really show but these trousers stop just where the picture does

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v515/RJG/ed.jpg

I don't mind!

http://www.confedalot.com/KIPP200.jpg

Because at a certain point one gets irritated with the fact that everyone else's insecurities get turned into dogma.

exercising our rights to express our opinion, nonetheless. and this isn't a thread exclusively about fashion, it's also about getting older. which is something EVERYONE is doing. so we read the thread.

1) 90% of shorts pretty much look like shit (moreso men's than women's, and no, not because of some sexist "Women should be nakeder than men" thing, but purely on a design aesthetic)
2) 90% of men have no idea how to dress which results in them pairing the said hideous khaki pleated front shorts with, like, a band t-shirt, white socks and tevas for some ungodly reason. None of it goes together or looks remotely ok.

If you are fine with this personally then go for it but don't expect us all to condone it or say it looks good. Because it doesn't. It's not like there aren't certain rare instances of well-made shorts, or certain men who know how to dress where it actually doesn't make them looked like crazed middle-aged dads or huge, huge stoners to dress like that but seriously, the laws of averages say that most of you don't fall into that category (and those of you who do, your wife or gf is dressing the rest of your shorts-outfit and you should admit it).

More confusing than any of this is the new women's "dress shorts" thing. Making 30 year old women look even more like crazed, retarded versions of Jodie Foster in Taxi Driver, a never-ending quest, a story by H&M.

Ahahah, Ally. Yes. Also, based on fashions for this summer/fall, I think that the designers really hate women. Not even secretly. I mean, there are always some unlikely ideas being floated on the runways but I can't remember a time when things looked THIS bad at the off-the-rack stage. Le sigh.

hi g-kit care to actually read my post? The whole fucking last paragraph is about women looking like shit?

You're both intolerable on this subject. OMG sorryz that shorts are not fashion. Where is that siren alert graphic?

Good lord yes. I always kind of feel bad when I see these tragic "bought the entire mannequin's outfit" fashion girls, it's like the opposite of this men "WE MUST BE COMFORTABLE ABOVE ALL ELSE" issue, being violently uncomfortable just to look worse than women wandering around in sweatsuits. I don't understand what is going on with the racks at all this year.

xpost women seem to have a wider variety of shorts than men do. On both I think I prefer sporty gym gear to any other type of short.

to clarify, though: in no way do i think shorts are some kind of fashionable item. i work with molten lead. i will not wear long trousers at work. outside of work, i play lots of frisbee. so i wear shorts. travelling, car or walking, very hot. shorts plz.
also, quite often, i have chicks chasing me because i look so fucking hott in my shorts, so i need shorts to outrun them. +2 to agility in shorts.

Slightly wide-legged linen pants? In white if you're feeling unspillable, or maybe unbleached linen or a nice soft neutral beige/olive/slate of some kind. Just one suggestion.

Lauren, sweater dresses make me saaaaaad, although I can get with the tartan thing. I've got a lot of sewing to do there, but it's impossible to even HANDLE wool in this weather.

i'm totally pro-shorts, but like lauren says, there are nice, light linen trousers. i used to have a pair i liked a lot, i should buy some more. perfect sort of thing for, you know, picnicking on clipped lawns. things like this.

Well, the thing is, a lot of the stuff being said here makes sense, but a blanket ban on shorts seems like it comes from bizarro-world. The two motivations I can see are either: (a) you have a lifestyle in which you spend all your days in air-conditioned comfort, and can't relate to the experience of driving to work in a 100-degree car with no A/C, or (b) you think that men's bodies, or at least men's legs, are disgusting/unattractive and should be covered up.

I mean, the notion that people can't look good in shorts -- I see people, men and women, in shorts all the time, and they look great! I can think of three times this summer, easily, that I've seen an attractive woman in shorts and had, let's say, an experience of immediate visceral aesthetic appreciation.

So the stuff about wearing tailored clothing, for instance -- that intuitively makes sense, even if it's depressing on the $$ front, and doesn't seem...ideological? But "no shorts, ever" doesn't feel like "how to look good and feel good", it feels like trendy, "how to do what some rich people in NYC/Paris/whatever who have never had to work a day in their lives say you're supposed to do". And that latter is why so many men don't bother with this shit.

xpost OK, you covered (b), but I'm still left with (a). Again, if you think that 10% of shorts can look good, post pictures of the fucking 10%!

I'm beginning to think so.

It's not about insecurities and it's kind of weird and offensive that you have claimed this on shorts threads left and right, Ned

As far as I'm concerned, there's a difference between dressing appropriately for everyday life -- at this point and place that means, as I see it, clean clothes, showering daily, washed hair, trimmed nails etc. -- and 'fashion' as arbitrary fixed rule. Maybe insecurity is the wrong word, but there's something ultimately pretty damn strange about it all.

I, guiltily, feel like posting that thing from the noise board where someone found 10 instances of Ned discussing "robes" now.

:-D I hope they were flowing. :-)

When it's hot and I've got jeans on, I can feel my legs cooking!

All at once?

well, that's kind of what fashion is. I mean, it's imbricated with all kinds of fucked-up-edness. I can't help being obsessed with it nevertheless.

Re linen pants: READ, PLS. I said they COULD be white but that there were lots of other serviceable colors that would wear better.

(...but it'd be a fuck of a lot better than "No shorts, ever, whatever you do it'll be WRONG WRONG WRONG unless your girlfriend picks it out for you MEN R SO DUMM KTHXBYE".)

xpost I picked white because of sunlight/reflection; I've seen dark colors I liked, but the tannish ones I've seen looked kind of weird, or at least "not me".

horseshoe: If the worthwhile stuff can be extricated from the fucked-up-ness, I think most men are receptive. Maybe it's the difference between looking good and looking trendy -- the former's great, but there are too many other important things in life to worry about the latter, not to mention the cost.

All at once?

= PARTY

fyi pleats in dress pants are perfectly acceptable when they are flattering; heavier people don't look good in low rises or flat front pants. Same goes for double breasted suits. In general, you should begin with clothes that flatter your figure and work fashion in as a secondary measure. kind of what lurker said about looking trendy vs. looking good. when you are younger, you can pull of trendy much easier than when you get older. I have some suburban mom friends who raid their high school daughter's wardrobes and it's pretty sad. men have it easier, I think, in sartorial concerns.

http://www.patriciasmith.co.uk/spring06/babies/pl/navy_linen_shorts_straps250.jpg

But of course it's true that wearing clothing too small is never a good thing.

ha, apologies to you both.

pleats maybe do help obscure bulging waists. not as well as flowing robes, though. fat sheiks look way better than fat american bank managers.

by tevas do you mean "all sandals," or just sport-style sandals?

here's what pleat-dudes need: all-cotton "Chi Pants" - with an entire extra PANEL sewn into the crotch. unfortunately the internets say they have gone out of business. however there are similar design available from.. get ready... the "gusset jeans company"

I mean, if you're in an overcooled office from 8:30 - 5:00 p.m., and as you step out into the early evening heat you think to yourself "Ah, what a refreshing change!" for the five minutes you spend outside before retreating to some other air-conditioned place...then yeah, maybe your jeans'll breathe.

but you know y'all will gladly participate in other forms of dogma that are just fashion after all (e.g. balding men should shave head not comb over). i actually dont agree with the anti short but it often looks bad and, as some genius upthread said, is psychologically lazy.

these are also "gussetted"

gah that word is like seriously my bete noir

it's comfy though

Oh heavens no, Jed. They should just cut their heads off. (A bit extreme, but I'll feel better.)

Sorry to disappoint, but I haven't banged any moms, not to mention my own.

its bad enough that summer leads to compromises like no jackets and hats (no hat!), never mind those awful long short things. people, if you are going to wear shorts, at least wear shorts, dont play at it

India is rather hot and you don't see many shorts there. Plus long pants protect whiteys from skin cancer.

I donno, unless I'm sunbathing or swimming my legs don't really get much sun in shorts so that hasnt really been an issue.

I donno I prefer pants to shorts and I only have 2 pairs, but I don't think they look bad on me and most people I know look fine in them too. Girls in short shorts can be one of the hottest things too.

They aren't always flattering but this is the only place I've ever seen them get so much visceral hate. There are plenty of other, much worse fashion crimes out there.

unless you consider my accents when speaking foreign tongues 'fake' somehow too.

I speak Spanish with a strong castillian accept and my (thusfar unfounded) fear of offending people in the New World has kepy my spanish usage to a minimum. Not sure if this is really as bad as my Colombian teacher made it out to be. :(

roffle roffle roffle

There are three s in my office today who are doing this.

Have we talked about Crocs yet?

Allegedly Crocs are mad comfortable, like blowjob-for-your-feet comfortable, but why does that blowjob have to come from a snaggletoothed harpy with cold sores and eczema?

No Day-glo.

God I want to set a torch to the next person wearing them, but just to their feet, so their hideous crocs melt to them.

haha xpost

VS.

http://www.zappos.com/images/999/7160999/1733-135375-d.jpg

most of the men/boys I see wearing shorts are in Abercrombie-beachwear uniform (not unproblematic of course but that's another thread) or preppie golf-course uniform and look a lot better to me than the dude in nondescript-indie-pants, alt-trainers-of-subcultural-origin and no-logo-t-shirt/decidedly-unpreppy-button-down. but perhaps the exemplars of the 'hideous' aesthetic could care less what people think of how they look? maybe they are more concerned with things like ferrying their kids around, doing grocery-shopping, getting work done, etc?

The only person I know who owns a pair is a guy!

Does everyone remember how the little sole part of your aqua sock would always come out?

Possibly harder to interpret in the suburbs when you have to drive to big box stores all day running errands with three kids in tow? I mean, I'm not unsympathetic. But then, people in those kinds of situations don't give a shit whether ILX likes their shorts anyway, they've got other things to worry about.

perhaps we are close to admitting here that we are not speaking of objective fashion rules, but a particular aesthetic (or, should we say, anti-aesthetic)?

http://www.shoes.com/productimages/shoes_is45717.jpg

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

totally muthafuckin' classic -- and only $65!!

They are incredibly comfortable and durable. I seriously haven't worn anything else since the first time I tried them on. I don't care if other people think they're ugly b/c to me lots of walking + TX summer = comfort above all else.

fair enough point -- esp. since all of the men posters' justifications for shorts are because they are comfortable.

Eisbar, it's not a rehash of that AT ALL. We haven't even STARTED on NJ-style guido dressing.

-- lauren (warmleatherett...), August 1st, 2006."

See? Now that's what I call a good question.

I think if people are gonna say stuff like this we need some evidence of their personal fashion sense.

I'm confused as to why you think this is a "Midwest" thing.

more buttons?

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a157/RJG123/3.jpg

If so, then yeah, they're pretty ugly. I kind of think of them together with chinos and other Mr Square clothing items. I kind of think of them as quite American too.

Unless you're a rent boy, Greek, or a 17 year old trying to get into a nightclub, there's no excuse to wear a shirt outside of a formal setting.

This however, is rubbish.

crosspost

But all those boys are hot.

Yes, nonsense -- one can ALWAYS wear a sport shirt, if it's a good one and it fits. The same is not true of a DRESS shirt, that's true (difference explained above by Yours Truly).

-- Alba (albab...), July 31st, 2006. (Alba) (later)

Name a good time to wear a shirt with no jacket other than work or wedding receptions.

http://www.capital.it/trovacinema/rendercmsfield.jsp?field_name=Image&id=259626 vs. http://www.uncut.at/data/personen-big/george-clooney.jpg

Dom, WHAT? With cords or other non-suit trousers, under a V-neck sweater, unbuttoned over a T-shirt when you're running to the deli, on a date, to drinks with the dudes. In short, DAILY LIFE.

This post is potentially confusing, because aren't the girl ones actually called boyshorts?

http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/images/button_down_shirt_large.jpg

http://students.goucher.edu/growl/images/jayz.jpg

Yeah, both of those things are hot to me. :D

A picture of me wearing a shirt on the occasion of sitting in my old bedroom:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v417/albaalba/ilx/DSCF0140.jpg

I feel like I'm shot by both sides.

I zoomed in and I think it does.

button-DOWN

the collar itself buttons down

the tips of the collar have wee buttonholes and there are buttons on the front of the shirt like alba's ideal button-down dude, just up there

shirts w/ buttons, more times, otherwise, are fine

but·ton-down
PRONUNCIATION: btn-doun
ADJECTIVE: 1. Having the ends of the collar fastened down by buttons: a button-down shirt. 2

http://www.bartleby.com/61/41/B0584100.html

yesterday i wore cut-off dickies because they actually are way breezier and more comfortable than full-length and also because i am hipster scum. so i guess i am pro-shorts.

also: the diff between looking decent in shorts and looking retarded = socks. dudes, if you're wearing tennies or something, just get those super low ankle cut jobbies or else you look like a dweeb with your stupid stocks sticking up over your ankles.

also: i wear "sport sandals" on a semi-regular basis, but that's because i'm doing stuff in the water, like canoeing, or walking in a stream, or floating on an innertube in the mountains with a beer in my hand while you fucks melt in the city.

ps -- my physics professor is here at the coffee shop, and he is wearing tevas, above the knee denim shorts, and a weird patterned golf/polo shirt that i remember chavvy dudes rocking in England 10 years ago with their brittle combed hair and chains and earrings. he couldn't care less.

hippy/redneck mountain towns are the sucking vortex of questionable fashion. At one end you've got fratty Abercrombie asshole dudes, at the other you've got Dead-head, motocross ski bros, and everyone in between dresses like my physics prof.

What not to where.

I agree w GBX about the socks.

xp

This week I have bought a stripey T-shirt *and* a new suit for social occasions. Perhaps I will wear the two together to placate jed and Dom.

http://www.auracan.com/images/indiscretions/2002/VincentCassel.jpg http://oceans12.saccharinity.org/photos/oceans12-48.jpg http://greysanatomynews.com/wp-content/patrick-dempsey-sexier-with-age.jpg http://images.absolutenow.com/rp/BonJovi_JS88130922.jpg http://www.theepochtimes.com/news_images/2006-4-8-springsteen.jpg http://www.onstage.nl/onstage/gfx/2005/concert_impressies/john_fogerty_01.jpg http://imagesource.allposters.com/images/pic/67/017_PP0253~Johnny-Cash-Posters.jpg

I can't emphasize this enough, btw. All the women here are into world music, yoga (which is fine, actually), wear cheez-ball 'ethnic' clothing that they got while backpacking in Thailand or something, and wear endless variations of the prototypical "ski/kayak/bike/wrassle/eat burgers like a girl" t-shirt. Basically, the New Age yuppie girl-power uniform.

I'm constantly baffled by how people can profess to have such a deep appreciation of other cultures or whatever, and then fuck it all up with Kokopelli jewelry and tats like this http://www.tarawa.com/img_prod/20296.jpg

SOMEONE DIAGRAM THIS SENTENCE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD; I WANT TO KNOW WHAT I JUST AGREED WITH

mrs fiendish bought me a stripy brown skinny-fit shirt for my birthday (alba: i was wearing it on saturday) which rocks bells, but has - get this! - a button in the BACK of the collar. this seems silly. mind, it also has epaulettes, pockets on the sleeves and a weird (but wonderful) double-button thing going on halfway down it, so it's NOT LIKE OTHER SHIRTS anyway.

mrs fiendish, i admit, has had a huge effect on my fashion sense. especially my shirts. the easily offended (or those who haven't seen "what did you used to look like") should avert their eyes now, or at the very least turn down the brightness.

http://sparky.thehold.net/pix/MeWithShirt1996.JPEG

and to think i wondered why, in 1996, i didn't pull very often.

you want to have a button-down shirt that isn't buttoned down and the floppy wee collar is floppin around w/ holes in and you have a couple of wee buttons on the front of your shirt doin nothin see?

Button-down shirts are awful. i'm not sure what the button back shirt is for (though i have seen it) probably some kind of throwback to old tailoring like the fact that the bottom buttonhole slit on a good shirt is usually horizontal.

i don't think i've ever seen a man look better in a t-shirt than in a crisp ironed slim one colour shirt. i'm not surprised that dom disagrees with this.

Alba - that was insane about the stripey t shirt - i couldn't think of a better example of a child-like garment.

actually i'm pretty sure it's a throwback to when collars had to be buttoned on seperately to shirts. i think this was done because the filthmongers of olde fashionde times used to only was the collars.

Also, if you aren't wearing collar stays in your points, you are wearing a cheap dress shirt.

http://www.rmconnection.com/images/AllBeechCrocs.jpg

I have never met gbx but I'm pretty sure I like his style. Also he was the first (only?) person on this thread so far to agree with me, so obviously I'm partial.

What was insane – me buying one?

are actually the second-most expensive shoes i own. i wear them around town. i wear them to work on weekends. they are very comfortable in summertime.

http://www.shoes.com/productimages/shoes_is78982.jpg

SHORTS = BAD

no, insane to give stripey t shirt as an example of a child like garment.

Funnily enough, the only time anyone has ever told me I was wearing clothes that were too childlike was over 10 years ago. It was my eldest sister and she was referring to a stripey T-shirt that a friend had given me! But that was a more childlike one (with wide, simple, blue and white bands) than the fancier version I bought last week.

Welcome to ILX, the late Timothy Claypole!

http://www.zappos.com/images/722/7223804/1733-233528-d.jpg

A "sport shirt"? Who are you people?

I don't like "shirt-shirt" because I don't like giving buttoned shirts primacy in the shirt world. I am going to suggest "button-up shirt" for those shirts that don't have button-down collars -- partially because, ummm, I've actually heard and maybe even used the term.

JMZ = Laurel's name for me.

shirt with button

shirt

then again, when you cross streams or rivers or whatnot, I tend to get sand and shit inside my keens and it always migrates to an uncomfortable position under my foot and I have to remove them and rinse in order to mitigate. that's why I prefer a mesh enclosed river shoe these days. I have hangups with my feet being ABSOLUTELY comfortable when I'm doing outdoor stuff.

(Isn't that a brand of water?)

i am mostly just still surprised we are all not wearing all-over urban armour these days. or suburban armour. or outdoorsy armour. you know. i sincerely await the nanotech fashion revolution.

http://www.addconsults.com/store/images/crocks.jpg

I am not too fussed about button down shirts or shorts and other things, but the one thing I am always repulsed by is suit jacket and jeans.

xpost - haha yes, but sometimes a sport coat with jeans, depending

today i am wearing a dorky powder blue t-shirt with with the name of a "tire and car care center" emblazoned across the chest, because i don't have any other clean clothes. also black jeans with a huge rip in the left pocket, so i have to keep keys and change elsewhere.

http://images-p.qvc.com/is/image/f/68/f0968.001?$proddetailmain$

i want them in CLEAR. with hot pink ribbons. get inside my mind for that now.

topsiders are classic though, I want to buy a pair but can't find women's in navy blue anywhere.

anyone else read the sartorialist?

(i'm still reeling about those finger shoes. i partly blame the heat wave though.)

Not Such A Croc
Might a Fad Shoe's Health Claims Stand?

Yeah, okay, I'm sold.

Anyway, here is an acceptable shorts fashion:

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4686/1648/1600/slimshorts26.jpg

i like the sartorialist! thanks for the link!

Oh snap, me too. Though they really had me at the part about over-pronating/back-pain/etc.

This part, esp:

(Disclosure: Acting on a tip from my best friend, I got my first Crocs last winter. My chronic low-back pain disappeared quickly. I now own two pairs -- as do my daughter, son and normally conservative husband.)

I HAVE CHRONIC LOWER BACK PAIN.

Trust me, it sounds much sillier in America.

but crocs? shit - those are the ugliest motherfuckers ever. i knew they should've been eradicated in boulder before they spread. but i never thought new york would be threatened - it's a plague so much viler than anyone could've imagined.

i really don't think you want that to happen

What about lunghis and dhotis that leave the calves bare?

If a shirt is going to have a collar (and this is only an idea that I am recently coming round to) then the only acceptable collars are those with the little spars to help maintain their shape.

I can't think of a decent looking casual shirt. Prove me wrong.

i know the kind of collar you mean - with no upright bit between the body of the shirt and the collar so it looks more like a drawing of a collar a kid would do.

except...

smart t shirt = t shirt that is clean, not full of holes, doesnt say "beer: helpnig ugly people have sex since 1874" or similar, possbily ironed???

I find short-sleeved button up shirts to be something of a horrible crime (moreso when worn in a professional setting).

there are other styles than the 'beach' one you see everywhere. Those are meant to be larger and the other styles are more true to size. This is the aspen, which I wear to work most days:

http://www.journeys.com/images/products/1_41347_FS.jpg

just as comfortable as my bright pink beach ones which my boyfriend tried to slip to the dog for destruction.

i was walking thru humboldt park and saw this otherwise-gangster dude hanging on the corner in ... pink crocs

Crocs just look so bad on anyone over the age of ten. They make Ugg boots seem elegant and elevate flip flops to the realms of Jimmy Choo.

Yeah, crocs and tevas look terrible unless you are wearing them in the actual context of camping and/or boating of some sort.

Why, oh, why are people wearing topsiders again? They weren't cool when I was in high school in the late 80s and they are even less cool now.

Is there some kind of anti-baggy backlash on its way in the hip-hop world? My wife says she's seen a lot of guys in the Bronx wearing tighter pants, bright colors, skater clothes, stuff that looks like it's out of Wild Style etc., and I've seen groups of kids on the Subway dressed like that as well.

a friend of mine was just telling us about how she wore her five fingers to work today

Oh my god those are horrible.

yuk

Is there some kind of anti-baggy backlash on its way in the hip-hop world? My wife says she's seen a lot of guys in the Bronx wearing tighter pants, bright colors, skater clothes, stuff that looks like it's out of Wild Style etc., and I've seen groups of kids on the Subway dressed like that as well.

-- Hurting 2, Friday, July 6, 2007 3:19 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

PARTY LIKE A ROCKSTAR

i think it looks terrible

ban tombot's friend

Those footie things are so grotesque that I come all the way back round to liking them for sheer chutzpah. You must get awesome grip from having 5 separate toes working.

a friend? you are very forgiving.

I don't know, I thought the XXXL all dark colors look was getting a bit tired. It's kind of refreshing to see some crazy styles coming back. (xpost)

or should I say XXXPost

http://nymag.com/fashion/lookbook/lookbook060918_330.jpg

Eeeee! They make feet looked as though they have been dipped in some sort of alien tar, which will spread up the body and eventually suffocate the host organism.

The five-finger things that is.

they had a special on E on outrageously expensive things. i knew that sneakers could be high priced, but in the 1000s???? wtf man.

re: the hip hop kids with bright colors & rock style, i've seen it in dc to some extent.. saw a trio of super stylish kids at american apparel store with 80's brights, funky glasses and asymmetrical hair. their jeans and sneakers were obv very, very expensive

Definitely due in part to Skateboard P., Lupe Fiasco, etc.

I will dress like I'm 15 forever and ever.

My wife says she's seen a lot of guys in the Bronx wearing tighter pants, bright colors, skater clothes, stuff that looks like it's out of Wild Style etc., and I've seen groups of kids on the Subway dressed like that as well.

-- Hurting 2, Friday, July 6, 2007 11:19 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link

yea go to broadway + spring st in the afternoon, you'll see this everywhere

today i am wearing a wu tang shirt with a brown cardigan, b&w camo shorts, stripey b&w socks and le coqs. i have been ridiculed by 3 girls.

I would be totally down with the new skatery hip-hop fashions, except for the fact that NYC hip-hop fashions seem to spread directly to wealthy middle-aged women, and I would like to avoid seeing wealthy middle-aged women dressed up like late-80s middle-school wavers

because I would be too turned on.

Tuomas!
Tuomas!?
Got any new unbaggy jeans in the meantime?

t-shirts and ancient levi's 'til I die.

except when I'm at work. and sometimes even then.

True or False: The reasons men struggle with upgrading to decent "adult" clothing have less to do with fashion knowledge and more to do with decent "adult" clothing requiring care and maintenance (including but not limited to ironing, proper folding/hanging, dry cleaning, not getting food on them, and not ripping them)

T--also i think expense has something to do w/ it; ive avoided "adult" clothes cause they cost money.

i finally got rid of most of my gym socks this summer tho and have been wearing proper adult non-white socks. it makes me feel way more complete.

xxpost. . .uh I think this is true for me as well.

in my case it's due to having worn the exact same 25 pieces of clothing since i was 22 and shopping being a more soul crushing experience than listening to your dad cry

Part of what helped me with this was a few years of crushing grad-school poverty, during which I couldn't afford any new clothes at all -- by the end of it, just about everything I owned was threadbare, worn out, ripped, stained, and generally crappy. By the time I got back to a proper full-time job, I was just dying to blow my first few paychecks on some good-lucking clothes.

Re: crying parents, here's the sad coda to that: a couple months ago, my mom was in town, and I actually went through the trouble of having my good clothes dry-cleaned and pressed and whatnot, and she STILL says to me, "so you still kind of dress like a teenager." This after two days of wearing DKNY trousers and Italian shoes and roll-top wool cardigans, on the one afternoon where I put on nice jeans, nice sneakers, and a ridiculously expensive sweater. There is apparently an alive-and-well mentality where if you're not wearing a suit or tucking your shirt into dress slacks, you're still a child.

i've improved recently; i've started sorting my laundry into "knits" and "weaves" to avoid rough treatment of fabrics. remember, the most damage to your clothes happens during washing!

i have got to stop shopping at forever 21 and other stores with clothes designed for pre-teens. i have got to, seriously. i am totally ready to start dressing like an adult. but damn, real clothes are so expensive!

also, when will i get over stripes? i have ONLY STRIPED SHIRTS! its ridiculous! i probably look like i'm trying to be french or something.

Stripes are ending big-time, I think. I keep seeing stores carrying these faded stripey shirts, so you can look like either (a) "yeah, it's a striped shirt, but it's old, I got it in 2002," or (b) "yeah, we're still doing stripes, but note how we're fading them out?"

only acceptable stripes are seersucker

wait are we talking about large horizontal stripes, like a rugby shirt or something, or thin vertical stripes on a dress shirt, or some third thing that I'm unaware of because I'm FASHION-RETARDED (currently wearing a grey adidas t-shirt that I've had since middle school and a pair of green nautica shorts that I bought fairly recently when I realized that none of my old nautica shorts fit me) (in my defense I am 19 and unemployed and only get dressed in order to drive my sister to and from the summer camp where she works)

AND I WEAR TEVAS WHILE DOING SO

We're talking about medium horizontal stripes, which have been rather popular over the past half-decade or so:

http://www.getsigned.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/AD18262WH_med.jpg

If you keep wearing anything it will eventually come back into fashion, though you might not, especially if you neglect to wash it for all those years.

o i was talking about vertical stripes

u HIPSTERS and your sailor shirts

jk

i am guiltily wearing a red and white striped top right now.
i am really ready to get over stripes. really, really ready. i think my eye is just drawn to stripes in stores full of ugly, bland, cheap clothes and i buy them just to get the whole painful process over with.

stripes are classic, what's wrong with them? i don't wear a lot but i have a great long striped cardigan from the club monaco & was looking for some striped t-shirts because.. jean seberg wears stripes in breathless and they're super chic

the answer is not to go to stores with ugly bland cheap clothes :)

I stopped wearing shorts when i was eight

I will never eschew my stripey tops! I love my black and red/black and white tight stripey longsleeves. Esp under a tshirt, or a cute black pinafore dress.

Also, stripey tights and chunky maryjanes or Docs.

And Chuck taylors. And jeans. And yes, goth clothes.

I'm 36. Fuck it, I dont care. I dont look it so stuff it!

I think "What Not to Wear" shows what Adult Female Clothes look like. And the style is largely nice. Unfortunately, it also shows that to upgrade to such will cost 5k. So...I think I will be stuck wearing what I have now: 5 skirts, 3 trousers, one nice pair of jeans I never wear, 2 dresses, 3 silly blouses, and enough T-shirts to clothe a large army of refugee children.

They never help men on that show, which makes me off.

I hate all cargo pants/shorts/etc. and wish all would quit wearing them. Especially shorts on the very skinny whereupon they look like saddlebags. Pleats are okay, I don't see why people are wrong with them if they are not too egregiously flappy and are worn in a size that actually fits.

It's funny that this thread got revived. Just the other day I was about to go shopping for some new stuff and I had a crisis about whether I was going to be buying faded jeans, band t-shirts & new Chucks or if I needed to go for dark jeans, button ups & some workboots or something.

I haven't gone shopping yet.

Also I have not worn shorts except around my house since 8th grade. No one understands why I refuse to wear them out.

I grew up Mormon & my mom would basically not allow me to wear shorts or tank tops or skirts (unless w/tights) so I have grown very acclimated to wearing pants in hot weather. I feel very uncomfortable in shorts, though quite fine w/the rest of course.

I went through a three- or four-year-long phase of refusing to wear shorts for no apparent reason, but I got over it last month when I suddenly remember that north carolina is HOT AS BALLZ. it was either shorts, or overalls with nothing under them

"overalls with nothing under them"

how very north carolina

/never been, may be confusing it with like backwoods virginia in which case i apologize

I just made the awful mistake of trying to buy some *adult* clothes at Century 21. WTF is up with the parallel universe mens clothing they sell there? How can I know I'm getting a good price when I've never fucking heard of the designer?

i saw hip hop dude wearing brand new crass t-shirt XD

GREAT, A PAIR OF 28" WAIST 36" INSEAM JEANS WITH A PHOTOGRAPH OF A DANDELION SEWED ONTO THE ASS - ONLY $115

AND LOOK, IT'S...FARACHI

sorry just needed to vent

i get the impression my napalm death shirt doesn't have the same effect. xxxpost

ur no hip hop dude. ive seen ur pic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v71/punkychicken/bush.jpg

http://www.freshtrend.com/images/dopies.jpg

ur no hip hop dude. ive seen ur pic

-- am0n, Sunday, July 8, 2007 4:05 AM

tru dat ;_;

How many clothes do you think a guy needs to own? I went on holiday for two weeks and took about six pairs of trousers, seven shirts, ten or so t-shirts and four pairs of shoes. It was hot and I was lying around in shorts much of the time, but we went out every evening and I never got close to wearing even half of what I brought. And that's only a fraction of what I actually own.

Time for a clear-out? Or should I just change my outfits more?

where is pic of big hoos i need to laugh

was it ever determined whether busch is wearing a utilikilt in that pic

xpost
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3238/hardoutherecd7.jpg

i have lost all my style.

Can people post photos of young "adult" style that they like (other than suits, which aren't that hard to figure out) - like work-appropriate non-formal style, going out style, etc.

wau @ the video on utilikilts.com!! xpxpxppxpopsta

Basically, I'd just take 100 bucks to Uniqlo and call it a day. Gotta have good sneakers though.

Gah them abominable sk8 shoes sleep posted are just a storming brew of FOOT TENDONITIS!

Hurting, a lot of these are kind of a tangent to your actual question, maybe more fashiony and casual than you want -- but here's a cut-and-paste of stuff stuff, just from a 10-minute run through some style blogs (mostly Sartorialist):

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4686/1648/400/TRVF.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/mensfashion/1/5/M/6/00060m.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/mensfashion/1/5/b/6/00230m.jpg

Aww crap, I lost like a dozen links in there! One sec---

-- and crap, they don't show up in the page source, either. Sorry, ILX hates men's fashion.

I am more or less rocking those looks these days, nabisco. well, more the first pic than the second or third. but yeah, to tuomas: i figure as long as you're dressing in a way that A) is good enough for the job you have, and B) good enough for the job you WANT to have, then you're probably okay! hence why A&R types can wear jeans until they're 60, etc.

There was a much wider variety of styles in the 8 million pictures that followed, now lost somewhere in the belly of ILX -- it was supposed to start with basics and then get more interesting. I have no idea how it got eaten!

weird! you should jsut jack all the pics and put them in a flickr or an imageshack or something. much easier than hotlinking a bunch of things, then losing them...

In any case, as much trouble as I have actually following this advice, I think all of the following should help:

1. Buy trousers. Not jeans or shapeless khakis, but well-cut trousers, altered to break right. (Even if it costs a little more, or they're dry-clean only, or need frequent ironing, or whatever.)

2. Know your shirt size and do not be afraid of the packaged men's dress shirts, which are actually fairly cheap. (Even if they require frequent washing and ironing.)

3. Don't just buy things that are basic and sturdy and all-purpose. Get used to the idea of buying things you can't necessarily wear all the time: seasonal clothes, interesting colors you'll only need once in a while, a range of formal/casual, etc. (It's not like you're growing -- you can keep a large wardrobe for a while.)

4. Bother with the smaller details -- keep decent v-neck undershirts, buy nice socks with different colors to match to your clothes, etc. A little accessorizing does not automatically make you a woman. (Neither does having an actual selection of different shoes for different clothes and occasions.)

5. Buy stuff that has shape and structure and a tailored look.

6. In addition to looking for more "adult" things in the stores you already shop at, go into the kinds of men's stores you might not usually visit, and look through the casual sections.

7. Be patient about shopping. Your first more-adult purchases might feel incongruous with everything else you own, such that you don't even wear them very often. But if you keep picking up things along these lines, you'll eventually find your jeans and t-shirts harder to work in with what you're wearing.

8. Even if individual items feel weird, inappropriate, or unstylishly old on you, there's every chance they won't when paired with the right other clothes.

xpost yeah will the problem is that I didn't copy my post before posting it, so I have no backup or memory of where all those pictures came from -- maybe I'll trawl through again later and re-collect the better ones

9. Try to wear materials that would have been generally recognizable to someone in 1910. Even the same item with finer fabrics/construction = more adult.

i never knew nabisco was well dressed male

http://bp1.blogger.com/_qjpwnPW4c1o/Roov257-NmI/AAAAAAAABg8/VGVKvu80poY/s400/Tsst1.jpg
http://bp0.blogger.com/_qjpwnPW4c1o/RodlCZ7-NbI/AAAAAAAABfk/NJQyc1c8Ns4/s400/Hhair.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4686/1648/400/Markus.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4686/1648/400/TBcasual.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4686/1648/400/The%20Painter2.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/4686/1648/400/PrinceDaniel.jpg

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http://bp3.blogger.com/_qjpwnPW4c1o/RiZVgPeDVwI/AAAAAAAAA6M/ZrI6dL5bq4o/s400/ClassicMilano.jpg

Sadly, cutty, I'm not very well dressed. I think I just spend a lot of time sorting out how to become better dressed, investing in it for a really short period of time, and then getting tired and just wearing t-shirts again.

jed is very good on this thread.

I try sometimes to dress like an adult but I am such an odd size and shape and cannot often afford a tailor.

I think women have it easier, when it comes to clothes. Other things, not so much maybe.

women can go buy a "cheap" article of clothing just to wear one night out. i on the other hand can never find anything other then name brands that fit me. It’s a serious commitment for me to just by a shirt

i wonder what kind of odd size and shape my adam is

short and weird, like a Jewish monkey

are monkeys kosher?

Not this one.

This is me, wondering why all shirts are so long:
http://smonkey.surveymonkey.com/img/logo_mk.gif

guys i sympathize and all but the idea that women have it easier or cheaper wrt clothes is just bonkers

guys have it easier if they don't care--any guy can pull off not caring

women not caring is way worse

Women have a diverse choice of items from which to choose and now (like the pests they are) they are even colonizing menswear with their "boyshorts" and "boyfriend pants". They simply must be stopped at all costs. We should build a fence.

On the other hand - yaaaay boyshorts!

then i guess my GF just makes it look easy. cuz she's always coming home with stuff you got that was part of some huge "sale" .i never find anything on sale

My wife is the same way. It's so insidious and disgusting.

It's harder to find like actual good-looking "work" clothes for women (or for meeee)...I have no idea what's too trendy, etc. Whereas men can throw on the oxford & trousers and hip hip hooray, no thought required. You could even do grown up garanimals and sew little lions and hippos to make matching all your oxfords/sweaters/socks easier...I have a hard time with the whole thing somehow & I envy men for it.

she's like "look i got this pair of pants fo $2" What?

xp i think you have to spend a lot more time shopping to run into stuff on sale

listen guys--if you want to look good i'll take you shopping. bring $2000.

I think I'm gonna just end up like nabisco and come out of grad school looking like a vaudeville hobo minus the 5 o'clock shadow with a satchel full of New Balance 578s bought with money I should've spent on dressy shirts.

cutty, will you get me the t-shirt with the dog on it? I'm on a whole other coast so there's no way we'd end up wearing it to the same "event".

guys i sympathize and all but the idea that women have it easier or cheaper wrt clothes is just bonkers

When I'm at the mall/Target/etc. I always see way more affordable/trendy clothes for women than I do for men.

For dudes, until you step up to the big bucks, you're stuck shopping at the surf & skate shop (or Abercrombie, god forbid) and looking like you're 16, or you're wearing plain/awful Dockers and such.

(depends on your idea of big bucks, though, I suppose)

I came out of grad school looking like a hobo who'd been vaguely fashionable several years ago in a different state, thank you very much.

I think the root men's vs. women's difference is that women are expected to own a wide variety of different clothing, the individual pieces of which aren't worn very often, while men tend to have a smaller number of more durable, often-worn pieces. (Hence lots of women are schooled from the get-go in the Dressing Like an Adult rule of having different options for different situations.) If you have to compare, I would guess that at lower prices it's basically a wash, and that at higher prices it probably works out in men's favor. (With the kind of men's stuff we're talking about here, well ... just lay down a couple hundred each on some key basic things -- good trousers, shoes, jackets -- and you can pair them up with inexpensive middle-priced basics like plain dress shirts and such, and you'll still look like you know what you're doing.)

I think the root men's vs. women's difference is that women are expected to own a wide variety of different clothing, the individual pieces of which aren't worn very often, while men tend to have a smaller number of more durable, often-worn pieces.

totally

(i didn't want to say nabisco OTM)

if you guys could only see what i'm wearing right now

Why don't you just...tell us?

this is a funny thread

I don't see much to laugh about.

tretorn/acne collab shoes
trovata shorts
silas t-shirt
eugenia kim hat

did you show all messages?

tretorn/acne collab shoes
trovata shorts
silas t-shirt
eugenia kim hat

If I was the sort of person who understood what any of this stuff is, what sort of conclusions what I draw from this?

WOULD I draw

why did you ask

http://www.eugeniakim.com/
http://www.trovata.com
http://www.silasandmaria.com
http://www.acnejeans.com/

put together an outfit jew monkey

Trousers are exactly what I need. How much should I expect to spend minimum on a decent pair (not including alterations)?

you're wearing a hat?

a few things:
1) pants with pleats can look fantastic, there's no reason to diss all of them in one fell swoop.

2) what is wrong with lacoste style golf shirts? they can be so becoming, and at this point, they come in so many fucking crazy colors that it takes a fashion retard not to look good in them. (tho not w/ khakis. khakis give me the howling fantods)

3) linen pants are excellent, and they actually DO last a long time, provided you are relatively careful. if accidents occur...well, a lot of them are white anyway. bleach is your friend.

4) to the men who don't wear shorts, ever: be prepared to have the most disgusting legs when you get older. like seriously.

5) places 2 shop: it is called Loehmann's Department Store and it sells well-made, good-looking designer clothes for much cheaper than you'll ever pay in any other new clothing store. ALL of my pants and some of my shorts are from Loehmann's.

you sound like you dress like you are 60

I think I have an aversion to things that look expensive, especially stuff that looks like expensive versions of hipster wear.

Also, high fashion needs to cio with their fucking websites.

hipster wear is either vintage clothing or expensive clothing, there is no in between

why did you ask

Because I wanted to know!

you would conclude that i spend too much on clothes and i look too good

fyi cutty, i tend to dress like this guy:
http://spectacle.provocateuse.com/images/spectacles/don_johnson_01.jpg

and if you ever diss the way i dress again, i will find you and rip your disgusting $400 jeans off your ass, fucker.

Also I cannot wear these skinny jeans. I have muscular legs. But I don't really like baggy jeans either. It is deeply difficult, but one tries.

Yes, I do admire you, cutty.

NO MY PIC FUCK. anyway, that was Don Johnson.

Although posting to ILX in a hat is a bit like making a phone call with gloves on.

xp

I don't think I could give you a trouser minimum, Hurting, since it depends on so much stuff -- hell, if you're easy to fit and hit the right designer consignment store, you could have some world-class trousers for cheaper than a pair of Levis. Personally, the couple pairs of really great, stylishly cut, wise-investment trousers I own both came in around $200, from places like APC and DKNY.

Unfortunately I invested in a good suit for my wedding and then lost a whole bunch of weight since then -- it may be fixable through alterations, but the suit looks awfully baggy on me now.

you'd rip my jeans off? what?

do your linen pants have an nice tie string? do you wear tevas with that?

you'd rip my jeans off? what?

rofl

;)

do these "wise investment" $200 pants tan my legs? Build up muscle? Do my taxes and bring my wife to climax?

Why, are you having trouble with those things?

I know, it hurts, but it's really not so crazy to spend as much on a great pair of trousers as you would on, like, a game console. Even if you only manage to wear them 200 times in their entire life with you, that's like getting up in the morning and paying a dollar to look awesome all day.