Young Kirk n Spock + Lost = new Star Trek movie

yeah. J.J. Abrams creator of Lost & Alias (and director of MI-I-I-I) is doing a Prequel Strek movie.

xpot

i was confused for a second thinking Strek meant Shrek.

The problems I foresee:
TV people can't always transfer to films
It could turn into hilarious cameo-athon
It could just, you know, be shite

However, I'll be going to see it.

Himself - filmography

1. "Player$"
- Coolio (2002) TV Episode .... Himself

Nimoy's in it. One of the Heroes cast is going to be young Spock.

There better be a Gorn up in this motherfucker.

this movie will make a billion dollars

it also signals the end times

at least as far as the US cultural empire is concerned

bollywood fans rejoice, your time hath arrived

wot, no orion slave girls?

There better be a Gorn up in this motherfucker.

-- Sparkle Motion, Friday, July 27, 2007 5:33 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Link

^^ds^^

this should be cool, it's nice to see them send nimoy off into retirement. i'd be surprised if they fuck this film up, since star trek's cultural capital is about as low as it can be right now.

(although admittedly you could say they've sent spock off into retirement twice before)

http://www.davelgil.com/korea/spock.jpg

1-18-08

Turns out that movie trailer is just a holodeck experience.

SPOCK'S BRAIN: THE MOTION PICTURE

also, considering the age of Quinto , this would def. seem to put the academy ideas out of scope, he's too old. I guess he still looks younger than nimoy did around the first season though. who knows? it would make more sense to set this before the first film but after the series.

now I feel like a 12 year old again!

this should be cool, it's nice to see them send nimoy off into retirement. i'd be surprised if they fuck this film up, since star trek's cultural capital is about as low as it can be right now.

i dunno, i think the true nadir was when Star Trek: Nemesis came out

that evil spock's beard episode originally aired on the exact day i was born.

ts: john craven vs andi peters?

Russell Crowe -- the new Ricardo Montalban or the new F. Murray Abraham?

http://letsturnthisfuckingwebsiteyellow.com/yellowcounter.php

better Crowe than Tom Cruise

"They want him to zoom through that black hole as the dude in the black hat."

otoh I have no idea wtf this means

"Trek Begins" is a genuinely stupid, terrible idea. It's possible there are good ideas left in Trek (I've never bothered with the end of Voyager or Enterprise, and definitely never bothered with the books) but I really doubt it.

When DS9 ended I thought maybe a series about non-Star Fleet Federation types (probably diplomats) running around trying to stop the aftermath of the Dominion war from descending into chaos would be a good idea, but I'm not so sure of that anymore. Anyway, no one but total jerkbag obsessives (raises hand) cared about DS9.

it is kinda weird how they deliberately keep trying to go backwards (what with Enterprise and now this). Seems kinda antithetical to Roddenberry's method. I don't think there's any question that, much as I hate Rick Berman, Next Generation was the most succesful of the extensions of the franchise.

TNG is my favorite, even better than the original. I don't get why people are so up on Chuck Norris when superdick Lt. Riker once crescent kicked a guy who fell backward onto a glass or possibly synthglass table and shattered it, Riker all stoic and hatable.

"superdick" lolz

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/4/4d/Trombone,_Conundrum.jpg/180px-Trombone,_Conundrum.jpg
"let me play you this love jam I just wrote"

Ep. with the second Riker = so +++ classic bcz Riker's couchehat is cocked at maximum angle. Riker having to interact with his hideous self, and practicing hilarious Klingon tai-chi with Troi that gets 'steamy' in a complete cockdrooping/vagdrying way, and Jordi and Data kind of standing around on some vine planet with question marks over their heads.

HAHA THAT IS THAT EPISODE

couchehat = douchehat

"Deeana remember alternate me who is me right now and how we erotically molded a ceramic pot that one time? THAT's ME, I AM YR RIKER, AND YOU ARE MY LEATHER CHAPS WEARING RIKER BABE. Replicator: One Syntha Colada, please.

Getting caught in the holorain.

aaaargh Ned you beat me to it ya bastid

It's been five years
Stuck far away
Five Years
Deanna my babe
Five years
Here is my trombone jam
Five years
For Deeana, my ma'am

Ryker seems like a total (captain's emergency escape) yacht rock dude of 2398 or whenever it was.

Patton Oswalt was OTM when he explained that the Star Wars prequels sucked because NO ONE CARES WHAT VADER WAS LIKE AS A KID. This will hold true in Star Trek. Why can't they just make another one where Kirk is chopping wood and then Picard shows up and they FIGHT.

that movie was terrible

That's certainly true. I don't think there's been a half decent star trek movie since the one with Christopher Plummer wearing a riveted-on eyepatch.

What, not even First Contact?

I guess that was about half decent.

yeah I agree with oilyrags - First Contact is mostly okay and then you get that guy from Babe shouting along to Steppenwolf = ugh

also the totally unnecessary inclusion of Alfre Woodard

Worf showing up for no reason, then expressing penis envy.

I just think its kinda lame and market-driven to make another prequel. The best sci-fi tricks you into looking at the present by projecting a new vision of the future - endlessly rehashing the same old version of the future is sorta counterintuitive.

Does counterintuitive mean boring?

sure

Hmmm,

Cardassia:Founders::Iraq:Bush administration...?

Maybe there is some juice in that old idea I mentioned upthread.

But then BG would be all like 'been there, done that.'

Enterprise is all about Bakula's Bush-in-Space impression.

It is also terrible.

(i.e. he does everything with a squinty resolve and good-ol-boy gumption)

did dean stockwell ever guest star

http://www.mataderu.com/xphere/photos/stposters/insp_kirkspock_preview.jpg

did dean stockwell ever guest star

Oh yes:

http://www.battlestar-galactica.fr/temp/database/personnages/img/Cavil1.jpg

AWESOME

shoulda stuck with BG

Guys what about THE RAINBOW that GRANTS ALL YOUR WISHES?

At least we are guaranteed no fanfic weddings in this one.

ay yi yi

http://www.cinematical.com/2007/11/09/winona-ryder-joins-star-trek-xi-as-spocks-mom/

nerds everywhere are getting boners

it's morning in america

WTF Star Trek XI? Did I miss something?

they haven't all been titled with numbers

http://dave.zfx.com/Scanner/nav4.gif

Casting call funnies

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2007-11/33752864.jpg

get this girl some forehead ridges STAT

IS THAT A BLJACK JOKE

SHAKEY MO

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2007-11/33752872.jpghttp://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2007-11/33752872.jpg

"kirk walken" you have got to be kidding me

okay wtf no images ever post, but it is here:

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2007-11/33752872.jpg

Isn't Winona Ryder kinda too young to play an adult character's mom? According to IMDb she's only 6 years older than the guy who will play Spock. Or will she only appear in flashback?

Zachary Quinto, apparently:

http://www.iesb.net/images/stories/setimages/spock-324_marked.jpg

teaser for this attached to cloverfield

http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/star-trek-uss-enterprise-b.gif

http://www.worstpreviews.com/trailer.php?id=450&item=0

god help me i'm kind of excited

John Cho Ben Cross Bruce Greenwood Simon Pegg Chris Pine Zachary Quinto Winona Ryder Zoe Saldana Karl Urban Anton Yelchin with Eric Bana and Leonard Nimoy

Holy shit.

THE FUTURE BEGINS...

(...because we're going to pretend that piece of crap Enterprise TV series never happened.)

as well we should

pretty good casting all around, I think. I maintain a measured sense of hope

Actually I'd be fine with a scene where they're in a classroom and Bakula's image appears on a screen and the teacher says, "This clown? Worst we ever had. Your goal is to NOT be like him."

^^

Quinto really looks like Spock in that pic upthread

http://trekmovie.com/2008/01/19/interview-orci-answers-questions-about-new-trek-trailer/

That's some pretty low tech welding going on there in the 23rd century.

i want to see the FUTURE not the past, where krik and spock have transcended the time and space plane and are point standing waves of light. past future thing is getting old already

At first I couldn't believe there'd be 'controversy' over whether or not the Enterprise was built on Earth or not. Then I remembered this is Trekdom and all was clear.

My favorite bit:

And the final thing, in order to properly balance warp nacelles, they must be created in a gravity well.

TrekMovie.com: Where did that come from?

Roberto Orci: That comes from our creative license. No one can tell me that it is not possible that in order to create properly balanced warp nacelles they have to be constructed in a gravity well.

Star Trek: The DocuDrama

This looks like an Enterprise class refit of a Constitution.

I would think an early years ship would be an original Constitution class ship, or something earlier.

Although the nacelles are round.

should have used shuttle solid fuel boosters for the nacelles

Well, maybe it will be correct. I was being thrown off by the type which is not correct.

Tyler Perry's Star Trek

Also, the visible panels are very Enterprise refit.

Dear Roberto Orci (whoever you are):

It is not possible that in order to create properly balanced warp nacelles they have to be constructed in a gravity well (whatever that means).

That's YOU told.

hi guys viral marketing douche here.

here is 1st viral site

http://www.ncc-1701.com/

3rd time u posted that homie

yeah figured somebody'd lock the other

My computer is crap but am I supposed to be able to see anything on there except blurry pics and a nice drone?

In the future JJ Abrams will direct all video.

ned, apparently if you align those slider bars in a particular way you get cool shots of the enterprise under construction

xp

If you 'tune' the pics in to 100% you get to see pics of a guy welding the hull of the ship.
If you hang around you get to see a 1 sec pic of an internal corridor.

It's a bit crap really.

"It's dead, Jim."

(There. It had to be said.)

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/09/shatner-has-a-m.html

Oh man, that link. Sandwiched between bouts of S'ing JJ Abrams' D, Shatner justifies his lame proposal to bring back Captain Kirk from the dead by proposing that the premise behind Jurassic Park will soon become reality. Oh...Shatner.

Kirk's death was some dumbass shit on a number of levels

Maybe they should just get Abrams to direct a Priceline commercial so they can test the waters...

http://www.mtv.com/movies/photos/s/star_trek_080123/star_trek_400x765.jpg

Just another Fall Out Boy video shoot.

oh god that looks shitty!!!!

:-(

that looks as bad as "lost in space" or "speed racer"

that looks worse than either.
seriously those are like 1990s PC joysticks on the table?
Abrams is going to be murdered in his sleep.

OMG nice catch, those are totally "top gun" joysticks spraypainted black

in the starfleet era, that table is what a DJ booth looks like

also I guess that color scheme for the bridge is for real. Fuck.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/Youngcrew.jpg

the bridge looks '98 Lost In Space-y. laaaaame

uniforms look good though

and it's good to know the Sharper Image makes a comeback by the 23rd century

the uniforms look like land's end, dude.

uniforms look basically exactly the same as the show!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/Youngcrew.jpg

Simple Minds tribute band

Starfleet cadet in training, last year:

http://blog.syracuse.com/storefront/2008/04/large_sharper.jpg

uhura is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaangin

There looks like there is going to be a lot of standing around with arms folded.

That's not how you express emotion!

As long as a few red shirts get killed, I'll be happy.

gawd! this is worse than could have been imagined!! (bring back Shatner, all is forgiven.)

hey guys it's a STILL PHOTOGRAPH from a MOVING PICTURE

save the Greedo-shooting bullshit for when you actually see this thing in motion

That's a sensible and rational way of looking at things, but this is ilx.

(don't remind me)

cannot wait to hear Pegg's accent. apparently he cried after seeing the footage.

Edgar Wright hinted that this is better than the Star Wars prequels!!

high praise indeed.

Let us now praise serial-killer thrillers by comparing them to Hannibal Rising.

All these pictures just spell Jim Henson's Star Trek Babies to me, which will really, really suck.

guys the bridge looks awesome

It looks like it was shot in the Nintendo World store. Is it too much to ask for some thru-continuity between Enterprise and ST:TOS?

everyone is pretending enterprise didn't happen

uhura is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaangin

― max, Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:19 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no argument there

yeah yeah, but I'm talking about this:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/akadaver/usskelvin1.jpg

USS ALVIN

I see their Wall-E units are making a break for it.

The full thing, it seems:

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9827/29451583213e41ed1192tf8.jpg

Uh, no:

http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic.com/oct242008_1017_lg.jpg

circuit party trek

judging by how excited i am by this, it seems i actually am a trekkie after all...

cannot wait to hear Pegg's accent. apparently he cried after seeing the footage.

because it was so shit? or on account of his own amazing accctingggg?

Still not sure how I feel about this thing as a whole exactly but I am really looking forward to Sylar Spock.

lookin good to me

circuit party trek

― s1ocki, Thursday, October 16, 2008 12:18 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark

lmbo

Why are EW pictures always so shiny?

who is the dexter captain kirk guy? never seen him before

no one

ugh. don't they know vulcan cocks are supposed have a glowing green series of knobs on them? it's common knowledge.

note to self: JW + img = DO NOT CLICK

i like the new way they're going with spock!!

And a pic of the new Enterprise

http://popwatch.ew.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/11/11/enterprise579_l.jpg

Proportions look kinda strange (I suspect the picture foreshortens things) but I heart the o.g. Enterprise look

This is going to suck. I can handle re-imaginings of Batman, but not Trek.

I mean, FFS they've made the Enterprise look like a Schwinn bicycle.

http://www.thyla.com/bubble/Anki-Cosmic-bath.jpg

What I meant to say was:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/pointlineplane/NCseattle101908sm.jpg

Fuck me. Photobucket tricked me. This is what I really really meant:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v627/pointlineplane/Anki-Cosmic-bath.jpg

it was worth the wait

New trailer:

Simon Pegg's accent there... is Scotty from Stoneybridge?

Not happy with some fratboy twerp muscling in on the Shat's gig.

every time this thread gets bumped i check it out and i never have anything to contribute but:

uhura is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaangin

― max, Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:19 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― max, Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:25 AM (4 weeks ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I just re-watched Wrath of Khan the other day and they make a big deal about how Kirk is a collector of antiques. In a scene in his apartment I spotted that he and I have the exact same chrome & glass diamond-shaped book shelf.

I'm kinda assuming he has mine in the future, so I have to take really good care of it now.

If you have a Commodore PET, maybe you could spray it silver and sell that to him as well...

Yes, a whole room full of computers that just run vector animation patterns would be pretty cool too.

I love that caption at the beginning of Kahn: "IN THE 23RD CENTURY", then the next thing we see is a spinning wireframe model of the Enterprise on Spock's screen.

are kirk and spock bathing in jam up there?

MAN JAM (oh dear...)

buckle up?

i will see this on opening night what is wrong with me

Seeing the trailer tonight before Quantum of Solace, I gotta say, visually at least the trailer looked pretty impressive on the big screen. Not sure if I'm really into the idea of a "sexy, slick" Trek though. I want dorky cardboard sets.

but those f/x look sweet

i actually guffawed loudly when that stupid kid said james tiberius kirk

seriously what a spoiled little shit. "fuckin' robo-pig, don't you know who i am? i'm james tiberius kirk!"

also wtf @ spock getting all "don't you lecture me!"

those two were meant for each other. a match made in petulant, angsty heaven.

no anton lines in trailer? :(

Reports of some footage Abrams screened the other day.

This looks sort-of awful. I hope I'm wrong.

From that blog post:

4. In a lengthy action sequence, Kirk, Sulu (John Cho) and a third, red-shirted Starfleet recruit (don’t get too attached to him) parachute from the upper atmosphere of the planet Vulcan onto a giant drill that is burrowing a hole to the center of the planet.

WELSHY!!!

not so sure about sylar-spock now, his voice is sooooo sylar, and soooo not nimoy.

My wife got PISSED that they are calling the movie "Star Trek" with no subtitle. I told her to think of it as "Star Trek 90210" and she guffawed through most of the rest of the trailer.

breakdown of the trailer

http://io9.com/5091679/trailer-reveals-whos-hooking-up-with-kirk-and-why-scottys-all-wet

And, now Kirk gets his mandatory sexing. And who’s the lucky lady?

YoJimbo at TrekMovie has it:

ORION SLAVE GIRL….

If you go through the 1080p trailer frame-by-frame you see that the girl Kirk is in bed with has GREEN SKIN! Ahahahaha.

He’s right. If you pause on the HD trailer, you can see she’s sporting skimpy underwear and green skin.

My friend Tom P. on the blog post I linked a few posts back:

OK, so I have read the first paragraph and already Kirk had run into Uhura and Christopher Pike in a bar in Iowa? Damn it, apparently he decided to use the George Lucas view of the universe, I don't doubt that sooner or later C-3PO will make an appearance, perhaps Scotty will fix him or something. Good god, my guess is that Zefrem Cochrane works hi way into this movie somewhere, maybe he is really Kirk's uncle or some such nonsense. Perhaps he invented the Pan Galactic Gargleblaster at another bar in Iowa....So Scotty invented the transporter? Oh no. Jango Fett anyone? I looking for Jango Fett.

he would prefer to populate the story with a bunch of new, random characters? wtf

This doesn't look all that good--although I was happy to hear the sounds of OS Trek. The upside is that the flick looks crammed with wall-to-wall craziness, and in such an environment there's a better chance of a Gorn appearance.

(xpost) Roll d20 to determine your character's intelligence...

I guess I am the only person who would rather watch this than that Watchmen piece of shit

I am fully exploring the option of not watching either.
lol at "Star Trek 90210"...

looks horrific

karl urban as bones seems like it could be an awesome choice

otherwise... idk man, idk

lol at "Star Trek 90210"...

Second time I've heard this description used. The first was when I heard Starship Troopers called "Aliens 90210"

I still cannot fathom how they cast whatsisface as kirk, at all

"Roll d20 to determine your character's intelligence..."

Don't be a fake nerd. Intelligence rolls require 3 die 6 so you get a bell curve on your results... sheesh.

Am I the only person to whom "Star Trek 90210" sounds like the only appealing thing in this project?

Also; 4d6 drop lowest one ftw.

hey fake nerds: attributes in the real star trek RPG are percentile

http://api.ning.com/files/rBd0-sgtdvH-u98G0ZzLlKoR9Djjy-zpiAdc5zlCHz92wkXIpJohHhFXvXBAfpXjB9aLxEc5R1gDyhOVvS1OntSQDULsq9Yl/STRPG.jpg

OWNED

http://www.starfleetgames.com/prime/PD_d20_cover.jpg

Ahem.

oh shit

:D

We need Spencer at this point. He'll nerdserve all of ya.

I'm prepared to compete in any nerd-off.

More on the four scenes:

http://weblogs.variety.com/thompsononhollywood/2008/11/star-trek-foota.html

Trailer looks laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.

The big action footage in the fourth clip was stunning, involving Kirk and a sword-wielding Zulu (John Cho) parachuting down from a shuttle to shut down signals that are being sent from a bore platform far above Vulcan. It's very scary. So is the Russian accent used by Anton Yelchin as Chekhov. All in all, I was more impressed by the footage than the trailer below:

john cho, playing against type as an african

"hey fake nerds: attributes in the real star trek RPG are percentile

Great point. But did anyone actually play the Star Trek RPG? And is there an intelligence attribute in that game? I bet it's I.Q. or something...

Aha! Thank you Wikipedia: "Star Trek: The Role Playing Game characters begin with seven basic abilities - Strength, Endurance, Dexterity, Intellect, Luck, Charisma and Psionic Potential."

So it's 3d6 for Intelligence, 2d10 for Intellect.

Thought I'd lost my edge for a minute there.

yeah, we played the old FASA star trek RPG when i was in junior high and high school. granted, we played two or three games in four or five years of once or twice per week RPG action (up to four times a week in the summer).

the thing was that character creation took a looooooong time. you would roll your base attributes and skills, which were usually terrible (at most in the low twenties in percentile). but then you would roll for your "tours of duty" - each one was like five years or something of shipboard experience, during which time you advanced in rank, gained skill points, sometimes got injuries or backstory or whatever. it took hours to roll through all of this stuff - roll to see how many tours, then roll for each tour to see what it was, then roll on subtables to see what happened, etc etc etc

they should've just had archetypes like the classic west end star wars RPG did ... actually we should've just played the original series characters but for some reason that sort of thing seemed off-limits to young minds.

I don't know... character creation is often a really fun process. I think some of those random results would help a youngster to be immersed in writing their own back story within certain parameters.

Glad to know that someone owned a game that got used! I certainly owned dozens of RPGs but played AD&D 90% of the time. Marvel Superheroes got a lot of love too (great universal table system).

http://weblogs.variety.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/11/20/startrekfullcastincharacter_l.jpg

ignore kirk! look at that bones! that rules!! he rules!!!!!! YES

http://i35.tinypic.com/339mvza.jpg

I still cannot fathom how they cast whatsisface as kirk, at all

JJ Abrams has always cast pretty people regardless of talent level.

Although speaking of 90210 the kirk guy looks too much like Kelly's earnest lawyer bf from the later seasons.

^^^ hahaha
I was actually thinking that this movie is going to be a lot like George Clooney's version of Batman...

But I like "Batman & Robin". Sure it sucks compared to Keaton and Bale's movies, but it's funny. Although possibly unintentionally so. And this new Trek movie is much the same. So instead of being mad with director for not making "Trek Begins", I'm going to enjoy this as "Camp Trek" with a bit of pantomime thrown in. He's behind you! It's like different interpretations of Hamlet.

Poor Val Kilmer. The forgotten Batman.

I liked his Batman movie, too, but mostly for Jim Carrey (!).

btw jim carrey looks to be about 63 yrs old in that new movie he's got coming out

Carrey was the main reason for seeing BF. He totally steals the movie away from Kilmer.

jim carrey looks hella old

Remember when:

http://www.agonyboothmedia.com/images/articles/Batman_Forever_1995/Batman_Forever_1995_012.jpg

My biggest regret about "Batman Forever" is that no one actually explained to Tommy Lee Jones or the scriptwriters that The Joker and Two-Face were two distinct characters that acted nothing alike.

Carrey does more acting in that film than TLJ and Kilmer combined.

It came out, I think, when I was in seventh or eighth grade and I admit I had a damn huge crush on the Carrey Riddler. (The Riddler from the show scared the shit out of me, as did Cesar Romero.)

GIS prompts me to ask 'wow wtf was I thinking?'

If you were Cesar Romero, would you be:

a) proud that you were remembered for an iconic performance as The Joker
b) peeved that all your other cool films (including acting alongside Marlene Dietrich) had been overshadowed by your portrayal of a character from a comic book
or
c) musing on the spectacle of another ILX movie thread going off topic even though the Trek film isn't even out yet (yes I know it's my fault 'cause I mentioned Batman first here)

which would you rather do:

1) bitch about a terrible movie trailer
2) begin the great "Batman Forver" Reclamation Project of '08-'09

haha they misspelled Sylar and Uhuru

(xpost) The history of ILX has shown that we can do both...

this shit looks like 'lost in space' and i keep thinking of this: http://glamerica.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/goodman03_muppetbabies.jpg

All these pictures just spell Jim Henson's Star Trek Babies to me, which will really, really suck.

― Little Hussein (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 16 October 2008 13:45 (1 month ago)

Also, just like Muppet Babies, this film breaks continuity established by a previous movie ("The Muppet Movie", although that's a meta movie).

I'm really in two minds about all this (like Harvey Two-Face - yay!!!) - on the one hand I want it to be a proper Trek movie, on the other hand, I'm prepared to enjoy this as a popcorn camp-fest.

You don't cuddle with JJ Abrams, you strap in and feel the Gs.

Vicky Vale: "What do you want?!"
The Joker: "A little song, a little dance... Abrams head on a lance..."

jj abrams starts everything well (except for the de rigueur dinner party scenes that set up the characters that seem to appear in all his shows and films) and then everything just gets stupid pretty quick.

I'm just waiting for the Cloverfield monster to appear in this.

They could throw in some songs, then it would be like Mamma Mia in space. With awesome explosions.

I kind of hope this Star Trek movie ends up being an elaborate tie-in explaining the Lost smokemonster as just another Star Trek sentient cloud being.

http://www.geektyrant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/spock.png

The other thing that's bothering me...

4. In a lengthy action sequence, Kirk, Sulu (John Cho) and a third, red-shirted Starfleet recruit (don’t get too attached to him) parachute from the upper atmosphere of the planet Vulcan onto a giant drill that is burrowing a hole to the center of the planet.

...reminds me of the first level of the video game "MDK", where your character parachutes onto a mining machine that's heading towards a city. Which brings me to this: assuming there's going to be a video game tie in, do you think they write the movie first or the game? Because a lot of it sounds like a scriptwriter said "hey, that would be cool in a video game!"

hahahahahhahaa

ha!

yeah I thought that was the Kirk's evil side transporter accident episode...

nu-kirk dating my godsister... made for an interesting xmas eve!

dooo tell

"Beam her up."

Shasta's godsister, yesterday...
http://www.sherylfranklin.com/images/trek/women/classic/vina2.jpg

hey look abrams threw me a bone

http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tagruato1.jpg

I guess by the 22nd century they've developed the hell out of the Presidio.

"Welcome to the Lucas Tower. We're not sure who it's named after."

Trailer 3 from http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/startrek/ looks great. Watchmen audience went nuts for it.

lol Kirk "man"

EXPLOSIONS, very Roddenberry oldskool

"FIRE EVERYTHING!" including the set designer who made the bridge look like a bathroom suite...

I mean, when Sulu pushed that throttle control forwards, I half expected to hear a toilet flush...

Sulu & Kumar Hit Warp Speed

I liked the bridge, It seemed very appropriate for future 60s and for the first time the computer screens appear to actually be doing something.

Wish we had that trailer instead of the new Terminator at our screening.

Somebody overdubbing Bale's rant over the T:S trailer in 5... 4... 3...
Honestly it looks like a grim movie, at least ST looks like it'll be funny.

I about a billion times more down for the new Terminator than I am down for the new Star Trek.

I suspect that it's going to be "I Am Legend" with cyborgs instead of zombies.

Exactly!

"I Am Legend" with cyborgs > Star Trek 90210

im stoked for both

I really want to be stoked for the Star Trek movie but it just isn't working for me. I don't really want to watch sullen young Kirk be cajoled into suave Federation-stanning via circumstances beyond his control.

new trailer was pretty dope

the guy who plays young kirk is my main worry about that one - could be a dud

Well the emo aspect of JTK acting like Kevin the Teenager doesn't really appeal, but I hope they're going to get through that bit quickly. I choose ST's (unintentional) lolfest over watching Bale grit his teeth for two hours.

I'm not sure that young woman can fill Uhura's miniskirt

i'd fill uhura's miniskirt ... uh... that sounds kinda gross but somebody had to say it

the guy who plays young kirk is my main worry about that one - could be a dud

from the trailer's that's my problem too, he just doesn't look like he has the gravity to be Kirk (no "Shatner the size of a planet" joke intended). Sisto as Spock I can almost buy as someone taking over that character for a few films, but this Kirk looks too pretty and lightweight to become iconic.

Frankly it's just too bad they couldn't or wouldn't put together a good new script for Patrick Stewart.

I guess if I'm watching a grand science fiction epic set in a world filled with technological wonders beyond anything currently available to us, I would rather watch the one with dude pissed off because said technology is trying to kill us rather than the one with dude pissed off because his dad died on a diplomatic mission.

they should put that on the terminator poster

My main concern about this is I'm wondering if they are negating all the previous episodes/movies with yet another time travel mind-f*ck.

pretty sure that's the plan

I actually wouldn't mind if they did that, there's something to be said for a full-on reboot.

imo i don't really care how this relates to the other canon stuff

or what ned said

Surferdude Kirk, I negate thee.

i think this and terminator salvation are both gonna be pretty rad

yeah me neither. continuity is stupid.

(x-post)

I mean, Nimoy's in it as Spock, there's some sort of time travel doohickey, but if the idea is he comes in and says "Well this is alternate me" or whatever, then fine.

what if spock is like omg this isnt true to gene roddenberry's vision too many explosions

what if he shuts down the whole movie while you're watching it???????

haha, screw with my childhood & I get medieval!

xp

Spock's ears turn out to be obviously phony, Shatner has a cameo as a raving maniac...

OLD SPOCK: "Wow our timeline was a lot junkier than yours. Can I stay here?"

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_s8l-yu7AZLM/SW0EwBebrKI/AAAAAAAAFvs/v57XnJKgzuE/s400/snl_st_14.jpg

it doesn't look THAT different

Au contraire, TOS looks a lot more like the SNL version than the new movie

This is gonna be better than Watchmen!

TALL ORDER

It's going to be better than Cloverfield!

dunno about that

Same basic plotline. Young folks get drunk at a party, a new situation occurs, shaky camera work, nonhumans.

a new situation occurs!

TALL ORDER

fat chance

sticking my neck out here but this is going to be the best Star Trek movie since IV

what if he shuts down the whole movie while you're watching it???????

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It would be great if old Spock turns up like the police at the end of "Monty Python & The Holy Grail"

old Spock: "All right, sonny. That's enough. Just pack that in" (Vulcan nerve pinches nu-Kirk)

it wouldn't be great.

no it would actually be sort of weird and disconcerting

what would be great would be if he then stepped out of the screen and started stomping people with his giant Vulcan boots

no, that would be sort of tragic!

all those people....

sticking my neck out here but this is going to be the best Star Trek movie since IV

Best Star Trek anything since IV (don't care for any of the TV sequels)

fuck y'all Star Trek VI is better than Star Trek IV!

Agree with everyone who thinks the problem with this is going to Kirk. That dude sucks.

Big problem, but I think the plots been constructed to try and minimise it - so it's always Kirk playing off another stronger character, for example, Kirk/Pike, Kirk/young Spock, Kirk/McCoy, Kirk/old Spock. I want to see how John Cho handles the role of Sulu, something that hasn't been shown in the trailers so far.

It only has to be marginally better than Nemesis to be awesome. Plus, chances of Spock walking around naked are very slim = good thing, 'tis logical to maintain modesty Manhatten.

glad to see were still figuring out a movies flaws based on the six minutes weve seen in the trailer

it's the only way to do it!

I'm assuming the Kirk dude is going to suck based on other stuff I've seen him in actually.

but maybe he'll get beat up by aliens a lot, and Spock'll have to save him.

http://www.agonyboothmedia.com/images/articles/Star_Trek/the_animated_series/Mudd_s_Passion/mudds_passion_34.jpg

"Is that a phaser in your pocket or are you pleased to see me?"

I actually wouldn't mind if they did that, there's something to be said for a full-on reboot.

I'm sure I'll still enjoy it, but the whole time travel thing becomes something like inverse reductionism. I.e. what's the meaning of anything if actions in time are infinitely malleable and there are multiple conflicting timelines - especially in a feature-length context? I feel like excessive time-travel has become a lazy route to complexity for these franchises.

What, only now? (I tease but I remember telling Rick Berman at a press conference for First Contact it seemed like they were heading to the well too many times there -- I was amused to see him use that phrase quite a bit after that.)

I'm hoping that the time travel thing isn't overplayed. This is the third Trek movie to include time travel in it's plot, fourth if we're counting Picard's Nexus hop. Generally I dislike time travel plots anyway, because, as Spencer notes above, they are a lazy way to complexity, but also because they result in lazy writing. They're like the modern equivalent of "so tell me, Professor, in layman's terms simple enough for the audience to understand, how does the Quark Compensated Veebleskwanger work?" dialogues.

Even good time travel plots reek of stoner-logic.

At least when Kirk & Co travel back in IV, the audience get to watch ol' JT hallucinate...

ned are you calling rick berman a style biter?

Lord no -- while we did have a bit of individual discussion following the conference itself, it's a common-enough phrase and he probably heard similar elsewhere (I hope he did, let's put it that way). But it does describe the phenomenon pretty well.

SIX-minute trailer? It only seems that long.

Isn't there some sci-fi story where a time traveler warns JFK that Vietnam will become a quagmire -- so Kennedy nukes Vietnam? HAHAHAHAHA

Rodenberry's original idea for the 2nd Trek movie had the Enterprise crew going back to stop the Kennedy assasination--maybe that will figure into this one.

that is the purest distillation of "do not want" I've seen in quite some time

Hahahah truth.

Yeah, it's hard to believe ol' Gene was overruled on that one.

also, in Star Trek IV they were supposed to meet Eddie Murphy at some point.

And now they'll get Tyler Perry instead.

http://www.wildaboutmovies.com/images_6/MeetDavePoster4.jpg

I just re-watched IV, it held up nicely.

the scene where Kirk takes the whale woman out to dinner tho - terrible dialogue (not all intentional surely)

no way!

"no, i was born in iowa, but i work in outer space." gold.

Also Kirk's inability to pay for dinner was nicely played. "What, you don't have money in the 23rd century?" "Well we don't" By far the most charming entry in the series.

"no, i was born in iowa, but i work in outer space." gold.

yeah, but doesn't that hold true for everyone born in Iowa?

i feel like she asks him "who ARE you?" about 15 times

hahahaha

goodness

If that's the same picture as the one posted upthread, it's the Golden Gate, not the bay bridge--Coit tower is barely visible to the far left. If they do show the Bay Bridge though, I shudder to think what 24th century Oakland is looking like.

And while we wait, there's always TOS chair porn:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/03/18/garden/19trek-600.jpg

need commode version

ahahha

*straining not to repeat my Picard in the men's room anecdote*

do it

That guy's uniform is from a later Trek era than the chair.

so not a real fan

*straining not to repeat my Picard in the men's room anecdote*

must hear

was on line for the urinal at a B'way theatre with a very "Don't Anyone Talk to Me"-looking Patrick Stewart. Was dying to say "Make it so, #1."

lmao

actual lol, morbs :D

does no one care about this? i'm not a trek person but the trailer looked great and everyone who has seen it has been super positive about it.

proper reviews coming in and they're all pretty thumbs up. i'm actually a bit psyched now.

Bought tickets for Friday night opening at the Cinerama Dome. Keeping fingers crossed...

Yeah, I'm not a Star Trek person either, but this looks really good based on the trailers and the interviews I've read. Definitely looks better than that ridiculous Wolverine movie.

James Henrie ... Vulcan Bully #1

Colby Paul ... Vulcan Bully #2

Cody Klop ... Vulcan Bully #3

can't wait

I can't wait for the F Troop "origin story" movie

Saw it yesterday morning. Never seen the original series but this was lots of fun, and a friend of mine who hates sci-fi admitted to being entertained. Really solid casting - Quinto especially stands out.

Oh I lost this thread and posted my review on another. I saw it yesterday and it totally rules. I'll be seeing it again when it comes out.

I'm not an obsessive Trekker, but I think I got 90+% of the nerd references. Definitely satisfying for newbs and nerds alike. Simply a great blockbuster pop/SF film.

"pop." yr scarin me.

my fear is that it's gonna ditch a lot of the philosophical shit

the philosophical shit

In a JJ Abrams project? U MAD

i have seen nothin of JJ Abrams' shit, including the philosophy-heavy Armageddon

He tends to flex that muscle more in serial television than in movies, but I suspect Star Trek is the perfect opportunity to cross over.

"pop." yr scarin me.

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as opposed to what? it's STAR TREK.

i have seen nothin of JJ Abrams' shit, including the philosophy-heavy Armageddon

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that's michael bay dude

Abrams wrote the screenplay.

ha really? i thought i remembered reading that the screenplay was worked on by like 30 people

at least 6 according to the WGA

only he and paul mazursky's daughter were credited for this one, though: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119214/

also wrote joy ride with a member of chavez wtf

!

# Gone Fishin' (1997) (written by) (as Jeffrey Abrams)
# Forever Young (1992) (written by) (as Jeffrey Abrams)
# Regarding Henry (1991) (written by) (as Jeffrey Abrams)
# Taking Care of Business (1990) (written by) (as Jeffrey Abrams)

can't blame the guy for saying "hey, call me JJ" after this run

dude also acted in six degrees of separation and diabolique and produced The Pallbearer in the "Jeffrey" years

The Pallbearer was great.

Dude also wears Infocom t-shirts <3 <3

i remembered reading that the screenplay was worked on by like 30 people

like most "pop" screenplays in Hollywood.

armageddon was pretty funny imo

Armageddon is still one of the worst films I've ever seen.

Judging solely by the trailer I saw this weekend, G.I. Joe looks like it will easily be the worse movie ever made. Seriously, the thing looks like such a mess.

<3

now just imagine that scene with Spock and Kirk

I'm sure it has been.

ha, true

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/sexymollusk/ironicnotfunny/kirkspockawwww.jpg

eyebrow raise @ that

How can you consider a movie that's opening in thousands of theaters with a huge ad campaign anything but POP?

Allow me to spell this out for you: Pop is an abbreviation for Popular. And this movie will be very popular because it satisfies.

It's not going to get nominated for any awards (except perhaps for special effects, which it deserves), but it is one of the most EXCITING films I've seen in quite a while. Thrilling, hilarious, and yes, philosophical.

What kind of vibe does it strike, in comparison to the different series? i.e. you had this kennedy-era progressive optimism mixed with New Wave Sci-Fi, vs a more staid and contemplative tech-heavy version?

This movie had its moments but overall was a disappointment--note that I did not go in with very high hopes, though.

Best moments: little boy Spock, Pike in a wheelchair.

Worst moments: sword fighting Sulu, juvenile delinquent Kirk.

It has the vibe of an action movie btw, and there are some poorly explained plot points you just kind of have to accept. Red matter, for instance. I know it's a sci-fi movie, suspend one disbelief etc, but at least TRY, people, you have a movie that's over two hours, stop filling it with useless "cute" crap.

I agree that Red Matter wasn't developed. We had to just "accept" that it was science from the far future. But that sorta just goes with the territory, right?

As for the politics, there's certainly a lot of interracial/special issues that are addressed.

I don't know why people can't enjoy 200 Million dollar movies for what they are. At least decent ones. I mean, fuck a Titanic.

aw man, i didn't say i ENJOYED it, just that it was kind of like jj had this idea for a movie then shoehorned it into the star trek universe, maybe? all the time-travel shit felt kind of forced, and some of the characters were changed for no good reason. mostly the uhura/spock romance was kind of hard to accept, given spock's general demeanor. asshole kirk was decent, but bones was probably the best of the central cast.

wait i mean.. i DID enjoy it, but i also thought it did not "feel" like a star trek movie to me, rather like an awkwardly written fanfic.

I don't know why people can't enjoy 200 Million dollar movies for what they are

^post-Lucas generation speaks. You know how I could tell it was a $200 M movie? I MUST AVENGE MY DEAD PARENT x 2

I will embargo the particulars of my opinion til later, but it's amazing how getting rid of one planet paves the way for an an all-war series going forward.

I miss the innocence of Titanic at this point (which had no dialogue more terrible than the opener here -- "Tiberius? No way!")

i.e. you had this kennedy-era progressive optimism

Kirk was very often LBJ in Vietnam in the TV series, continually wiped his ass with the Prime Directive.

As for the politics, there's certainly a lot of interracial/special issues that are addressed.

All of these was much more U&K and better addressed in the original series.

wait i mean.. i DID enjoy it, but i also thought it did not "feel" like a star trek movie to me, rather like an awkwardly written fanfic.

I think the point was for it not to feel so wooden and cultish as the original films. It's supposed to be a fresh start. Objectively, there are some huge improvements in certain areas. Of course, other things are lost along the way.

Also, I totally agree that McCoy is the best performance. Spock/Urhura was unexpected, but kind of intriguing too.

no dialogue more terrible than the opener here -- "Tiberius? No way!"

Yeah, the opening scene was awful.

the point was for it not to feel so wooden and cultish as the original films

It frequently feels mechanical, and even more a celebration of USA-style militarism than in the past.

PSYCHED FOR THIS BUT PROLLY WILL JUST SEE IT ON DVD

i will totally re-watch this when it comes out on dvd, of course.

I won't, and have no interest in future "alternate reality" installments.

i am only interested in sequels if uhura hikes up her skirt & lets her hair down.

Pon Farr Vixen

will probably see this Friday.

an all-war series

Given its single villain (and single enemy craft, albeit a huge one), I fail to see how this is any more a "war" installment than, say, Khan, which is almost universally lauded as the best of the series. You can hope for cloud-fucking or "save the whales" but no one is ever going to pay to see those things in a blockbuster context. I'm just happy Abrams and co. turned out a legitimately entertaining film after sitting through boring BS like Wolferine: Where I'm Comin' From.

I agree w/ yr first point, but Khan is a good war movie and (bcz of its lower budget) lacking in the oh-so-boring effects porn in this one.

I found this pretty enjoyable. Definitely not good if you're looking for some interesting political or intellectual sci-fi concepts, which was sad considering how much they wanted to "go back to the original", but as far as summer action movies go, it's fun, light and exciting. Loved the casting and the effects, and I liked the time travel connection they came up with. It's very much a J.J. Abrams project - fantastic setting and adventure that's a backdrop for the primary interpersonal drama. The fact it does focus so much on Spock really worked for me.

Also I feel like they did nail certain intangibles, especially the humor and the chemistry among the cast, that do make it feel like Star Trek.

how was the animal cracker scene?

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film?utm_source=a-section

^That's cute, unfortunately the plot is incoherent, cribbed from Wrath of Khan (MY DEAD WIFE!), and exists to let the TV Guy do whatever he wants in the future films.

also horndogs, this Uhura model can't act and needs to go back to saying "Hailing frequencies open."

David Edelstein somehow likes it while nailing new Spock's wrongness:

Zachary Quinto plays the half-Vulcan, half-human Spock as the kind of know-it-all even geeks want to slam into a locker. The problem might be as basic as Quinto’s physiognomy. Where Leonard Nimoy adopted a semi-scrutable (vaguely Eastern) mask, Quinto’s features settle into a sneer. Nimoy’s Spock would tell his colleagues, “I have no feelings to hurt,” and we knew it was a lie because Nimoy’s impassivity was so pregnant. But Quinto’s face telegraphs disdain. He’s Kirk’s competitor—which might be more realistic but which utterly changes the Star Trek dynamic. Kirk is no longer the virile leader trying to find a balance between coolly dispassionate logic (Spock) and urgent humanist emotion (Dr. McCoy). He’s hardly even a plausible leader. (How does he end up in the captain’s chair?) The doggone kids really have seized the Enterprise.

http://nymag.com/movies/reviews/56428/

"vaguely Eastern"

search Kirk's "my Chinese friend got his ears caught in a mechanical rice picker" line from original series

"search Kirk's "my Chinese friend got his ears caught in a mechanical rice picker" line from original series"
Their finest hour!

(not being sarcastic -- this episode is supposed to be the best one of them all)

^^^not the best episode by a long shot but it is good

http://harlanellison.com/heboard/visitors/startrekpressrelease.html

Ellison in total jackass nonshockah

you'll never guess who the holdout is! (and no, it's not Morbs, whose rating technically qualifies as "fresh")

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_11/

also - "Mission to Mars"?!

"My skepticism isn’t a matter of lacking fan devotion but simply of Star Trek breezing along familiarly—even appropriating The Beastie Boys’ “Sabotage”—yet not measuring up. "

WHAT?

"This Star Trek sells cuteness, sentimentality and explosive F/X as if Starship Troopers, Minority Report, Mission to Mars or even Blade Runner or The Matrix (all visionary standard-setters) never happened."

Armond White is one weird dude.

I'm not sure I'm going to disagree with any of White's Star Trek assessments actually (except maybe the blurred action critique), but it seems a complaint that could be leveled at virtually all of the previous Star Trek films too. It's a thing, he doesn't get it (I don't really either) so just move on.

i love armond's tactic of comparing all movies unfavorably to his very favorite movies of all time.

Yeah Armond's arguments tend to boil down to "Spielberg would've done it better" a lot of time.

someone please explain the Beastie Boys ref. Do the crew dress up as cops and go back to 70s SF?

the line in this review where he throws down peckinpah, eisenstein, AND speilberg might get him laughed out of your average college newspaper's friday entertainment section.

he’s TV’s Fincher, not an artist he’s TV’s Fincher, not an artist he’s TV’s Fincher, not an artist he’s TV’s Fincher, not an artist he’s TV’s Fincher, not an artist he’s TV’s Fincher, not an artist he’s TV’s Fincher, not an artist he’s TV’s Fincher, not an artist he’s TV’s Fincher, not an artist

Oh so this is what it's about
from poster MANWICH on beastie boys message board:

"Yo, so I just went and saw the new star trek, and 10 minutes into that shit SABOTAGE starts blaring! Sooooo sick. I don't know about the rest of you, but this makes perfect sense. Bboys are always hollering about Dr. Spock and such, it only makes sense that they'd have a song in the new movie. The movie was pretty tight too. I am not the biggest Star Trek fan (other than Wrath of Kahn) but this was wicked. Maybe the Beastie Boys had something to do with it. hhaha"

oh man my reaction was totally the opposite :(
it's also one of the most useless scenes in the movie--pre-teen kirk stealing a "vintage" car and drag racing through da fields.

I can't imagine that there is much I agree with poster MANWICH about.

"Bboys are always hollering about Dr. Spock"
I'm no beastie boys expert -- what is this about?

Adam Yauch has an irrational love of the writings of Dr Spock.

Spock ref in Intergalactic

wow, Carrie Rickey thinks this movie is "fundamentally optimistic." I guess blowing up a couple civilizations from the series to smithereens doesn't make a dent on her cockeyed Nellie Forbush scale.

Whenever I read the phrase "great summer movie," I envision the author being beaten with a sock o' manure.

gross

this is designed to thrill people who cannot tell the difference between movies and TV.

Armond OTM

Sock O' Manure would be a great name for a summer movie

for a great summer movie

you'll never guess who the holdout is! (

More dissents are coming, Simon. You do know most RT critics have a five-forked tongue so they can rim all the major studios simultaneously, right?

Ebert more OTM than Armond (tho I'm not sure why his 2.5/4 ratings are logged as rotten, and others' are as fresh):

The Gene Roddenberry years, when stories might play with questions of science, ideals or philosophy, have been replaced by stories reduced to loud and colorful action. Like so many franchises, it’s more concerned with repeating a successful formula than going boldly where no “Star Trek” has gone before.

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090506/REVIEWS/905069997

ya well dude fucking loved "knowing"

anyway i thought this was pretty dece except for making the villain a fairly boring disgruntled miner

this is designed to thrill people who cannot tell the difference between movies and TV.

Armond OTM

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, May 6, 2009 9:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

as opposed to what movies, and what tv

not really relevant, Mr Hated Ratatouille

xxp

i mean what a fucking dated and irrelevant binary... o rite it's armond white

ratatouille was lame - history will vindicate me

maybe between real science-fiction movies and Lost

xxp

see s1ocki, the screen is bigger and wider in the cinema

ratatouille was dope imo but armond white is a lousy critic and seems like a despicable person tbqf

u do know that star trek is based on a tv show right

and i'll take lost over pretty much any "real" scifi movie of the last 10 years... what are you really repping for here morbius? the island?

i think the tv/film binary is bullshit but to some degree i understand it w/abrams, maybe? MI 3 was sorta ok but paced like an episode of alias, and for a two hour action pic it just flowed and played weird

was transformers sufficiently un-TV-like for you?

BASED ON

Widescreen is perfect for A SUMMER THRILL RIDE, or Jansco's The Red and the White, which I saw today.

stfu "binary"

I've never seen Lost, there just isn't room in my life for a convoluted long-running Gilligan's Island.

i mean i dont even know why im getting so het up over a movie that i just "liked," would just prefer to see criticism not delivered in the form of a snarl i guess

http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/c209455b259dbdf2afa91a3666b13433/91194.jpg

who's snarly now?

I just barely "liked" it, essentially cuz I was a Trekkie in 1975, ie Nimoy saved it.

anyway, we agree that the Bana role sucked.

now i gotta watch this. pray for me that it's good

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crying_Fist

That looks awesome.

then i gotta wake up and watch... ugh.. angels and demons

I mean except for the fact that they are battling themselves when they really should be battling other people in the amateur battling tournament.

Yeah I'm sure glad they didn't make a TV show out of that.

the BS thing about Ebert's dislike is that he wasn't that crazy about most of the OG "Star Trek" movies - plus, he has loved lots of stupid effects porn in the past like "Phantom Menace."

"Bboys are always hollering about Dr. Spock"
I'm no beastie boys expert -- what is this about?

some of the action in this movie could have been more inventive. there were THREE whole times when kirk was hanging off a ledge by the tips of his fingers and two whole times when a snarling baddie was threatening to step on them

i think that was a "joke," or somebody loves North by Northwest.

the best joke was the inevitable fatality of "Olsen" (ie, nonstar redshirt who dies in every episode)

haha totally... as soon as you saw that red spacesuit...

Anthony Lane on the parental-revenge origin shit:

Here, in other words, is a long-range backstory—a device that, in the Hollywood of recent times, has grown from an option to a fetish. I lost patience with “Charlie and the Chocolate Factory” once we learned of Willy Wonka’s primal trauma (his father was a dentist, and forbade him candies, so guess how he reversed that deprivation?), and, likewise, with “Batman Begins,” from the moment that mini-Bruce tumbled into a well full of bats. What’s wrong with “Batman Is” ? In all narratives, there is a beauty to the merely given, as the narrator does us the honor of trusting that we will take it for granted. Conversely, there is something offensive in the implication that we might resent that pact, and, like plaintive children, demand to have everything explained. Shakespeare could have kicked off with a flashback in which the infant Hamlet is seen wailing with indecision as to which of Gertrude’s breasts he should latch onto, but would it really have helped us to grasp the dithering prince? Or, to update the question: I know it’s not great when your dad dies a total hero and leaves you orphaned at the same time, but did James T. Kirk have to grow up such a cocky son of a gun?

...the director’s fondness for the retro is crucial to his non-stop knowingness, with its hints of both hipster and nerd. He gorges on cinema as if it were one of those all-you-can-eat buffets, piling his plate with succulent effects, whether they go together or not. Hence the red ravening beast that pops up on a random planet, clearly left over from the props cupboard of “Cloverfield”; the man-to-Romulan fistfight borrowed from “M:i:3”; and, I regret to say, a dose of parallel universe. Come on, guys, you’re already part of a make-believe world in which mankind can outfly the speed of light. Isn’t that parallel enough for you?

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/cinema/2009/05/18/090518crci_cinema_lane

zzzzz

or, as we all asked of Lucas's obsession with How Vader Got That Way, WHO GIVES A FUCK?

Just got back and this is the first time in about 15 years that I'm planning on seeing a movie twice (and maybe three times) in the theater. As Carol Marcus (may have?) said: "Let me show you something that will make you feel young as when the world was new."

Also, I like how the Enterprise looks like the TMP refit, certainly in response to timeline changes. I just wish that the earlier ship looked slightly more TOS-ish. Alternate timeline also explains the "Riverside Shipyard." (wow, I guess I've been suckered in!).

Now seeing this on Saturday late afternoon, as more friends can attend.

Blimey - the UK broadsheets love it (almost)unconditionally...
****** from The Guradian and The Times. **** in the Telegraph.

<3 this film, tooo

The origin stuff didn't bother me in this film as much, mostly because we don't spend too much time w/ pre-Starfleet Kirk, and because I genuinely enjoyed the young Spock stuff.

Come on, guys, you’re already part of a make-believe world in which mankind can outfly the speed of light. Isn’t that parallel enough for you?

Has this person never met a Trekkie before?

Scott Foundas:

there’s so much talk about people’s dead parents that you start to wonder if Dave Eggers did an uncredited rewrite.

might have to cancel going to this tonight to go some performance art : (

"Let me show you something that will make you feel young as when the world was new."

"I did what you wanted. I stayed away."

20-minute video essay by Matt Zoller Seitz, "Vulcan: The Soul of Spock":

http://www.thelmagazine.com/newyork/vulcan-the-soul-of-spock/Content?oid=1152781

<3ing Zoller Seitz' video essay output of recent. His Benjamin Button one at the Moving Image Source actually makes me want to see it. Though the New World bit was like "lol drink".

Thought Star Trek was pretty good. Not great. Quinto makes up for creature fleeing.

JR Jones links the movie (meh) to the first series' episodes on children and aging:

http://www.chicagoreader.com/features/stories/moviereviews/090507/

I was kinda hoping it'd be more like this:
http://current.com/items/90029658_starship-enterprise-destroyed-by-the-death-star.htm

But I hate Trek....

Ha, there's a scene in that trekkies documentary where this guy goes "I don't like star trek because they have different settings on their phasers. In star wars there's just one setting you don't have to think as much." the coworker he's arguing with is the crazy TNG-uniform rural juror.

man this was pretty great

FUCK YEAH.

i cried

ALSO, the Starbase orbiting the Earth was straight out of Starfleet Battles!!!

this was cool, even though at times it seemed a bit like people playing dress up. I liked that Pine didn't do a Shatner, and he doesn't really look like him, but there were little moments, when he's at the bar, and at the very, very end, when he says "Bones!" that he suddenly absolutely turns into Kirk.

yes, he parceled it out.

"great," jeeeezus

this

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now, right?

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you CAN'T destroy Vulcan.

my mum informs me this is awesome, i kinda wanna see it now

In star wars there's just one (phaser) setting

Just FYI.

My wife and I just watched the first Star Wars movie last Saturday. In the first ten or so minutes Darth Vader orders some storm troopers who are looking for Princess Leia, who has stolen the plans for the Death Star and is attempting to smuggle them to Alderan, to set their phasers on stun because he wants her taken alive. They comply, and the Princess is phasered and yet taken alive for questioning.

red line for kill, blue circles for stun. everyone knows that.

Morbs - I had assumed the same thing, which is why I spent the rest of the movie wondering when the hell they were going to go around the sun and back in time to prevent it. Kind of awesome they did, though.

Yeah so I'm def gonna see this on Monday.

thought this was a blast! first theatrical movie i've seen this year i can actually say i truly enjoyed.

yeah there's some corny pandering shit but what works works really well. good casting.

great catering too!

so i hear

Is there really a canyon that deep in Iowa?

bones was probably the best of the central cast.

Agreed. Bana wasn't Montalban but then again he wasn't F. Murray Abraham either so we lucked out.

Enjoyed it, not truly great but even so, more thoughts tomorrow.

Nice touch -- the pumped-up indirect homage to the original show opening credits via the main closing credits here.

^ The whole cinema laughed when I saw it. There was an insanely excited feel in the air and everyone hung out in the lobby forever talking about it.

also A+ @ beastie boyz

Yeh all the pandering was from the good bits of the original series; they dropped all the crap from the other seasons -- eg not a single stupid language to be heard.

Loved those end credits. And the warp effect.

A friend asked me to look out for the 'inevitable Greg Grunberg cameo,' which in fact was inevitable. (Voice-only role -- he plays Kirk's stepdad chewing out young Kirk while he's driving the car.)

I left at the start of the end credits. What exactly did I miss?

i think they just meant the font and the song?

x-post -- If you saw the first couple of credits you saw what the deal was -- big splashy one-name-at-a-time credits playing out over various different stellar/planetary backdrops while an arrangement of the original theme song played.

Pegg was really good as Scotty even though he was basically just being Simon Pegg with a slightly Scottish accent. I liked the tiny alien helper he had too. "you eat a bean and you're full!"

I liked when he told him to "get tae ..."

I read somewhere he was trying to give the character a partial Lithlingow accent.

KEENSER

Why did I know you'd remember the name.

That was just a random interjection, sorry.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/5281/rittenhouse11mala.jpg

Linlithgow, Ned!

Not seen this yet or heard his accent, but I expect him to sound more Scottish than Doonan because: a) how could it be worse? and b) I know that he's spent at least a little time in Scotland because I once saw him in Borders in Glasgow.

doohan even

Linlithgow, Ned!

Thank you, I figured I was spelling it wrong.

He got married in Glasgow too; I think his wife is Scottish.

About the accent: I think he was tryin to merge real Scoatush w/Scotty's. Am maybe just overthinking it tho

Just took the boy to see this. It was good fun, Bones was probably the best performance, we lolled quite a bit, it made 2 hours go past quick. Morbs OTM re: Vulcan, but a refreshing lack of emo all the same. Don't think it bears over-analysing tbh.

A good touch: having an engineering section that actually looked like, you know, engineering.

aggro young spock...wasn't that kid in wondershowzen? at any rate, that was shades of ralphie beating on the bully in christmas story == awesome

No wonder Vulcans have to repress their emotions, it's the only thing to do when they raise you by sticking you in sunken learning pods all day and have you stand around and answer questions.

That's always been a thing in Star Trek, that Vulcans are raging balls of homicidal whup-ass barely contained by veneer of logic.

"also A+ @ beastie boyz"

A+ WAAT?

The alternate timeline lets them have a history where there was a "Sabotage" but no "Intergalactic" obv.

Film was so much better than I was expecting, but Beastie Boys and Slusho made it.

The little dude who just can't stop sitting on things that Simon Pegg doesn't want him to sit on, also.

The guy who makes those Madea movies is in this.

but not, alas, as Uhura's mother.

really, blowing up Planet Logic was bad enough but the jokey bit at the end when Spock says "nah" to Kirk wanting to let Nero surrender was cheap.

There was an insanely excited feel in the air

I hope it was the Return of the King crowd, that's the only explanation.

It was cheap, maybe there is some excuse about them being still young hotheads or something.

or, with Vulcan conveniently out of the way, Abrams can continue unimpeded with the All-American Kirk/Obama militarism in the next chapters.

I wanted to think it wasn't that kind of assholism but maybe. Kirk was always a bit of an asshole in TOS anyway. Spock not so much tho.

Is there really a canyon that deep in Iowa?

It does in the 24th century thanks to GLOBAL WARMING.

No wonder Vulcans have to repress their emotions, it's the only thing to do when they raise you by sticking you in sunken learning pods all day and have you stand around and answer questions.

Yeah, but nice callback to the beginning of ST IV: Save the Whales. I believe they were even being asked some of the same questions Spock was in that movie.

or, with Vulcan conveniently out of the way, Abrams can continue unimpeded with the All-American Kirk/Obama militarism in the next chapters.

― Dr Morbius, Saturday, May 9, 2009 11:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

do you really think the plot device of blowing up vulcan is a crypto-right-wing plot

i'm starting to think this is all a put-on by Morbius, how can someone actually be filled with so much anger at Star Trek

yes Morbs. How do you feel?

i agree with some of morbs's criticisms, but the idea that jj abrams was like "if only i could get that pesky vulcan planet out of the way i'd be free to espouse my obama militarism as much as i'd like!!" is kinda kookoo.

xxp: not at Star Trek, at its boom bam bang Star Warsification.

http://www.thelmagazine.com/TheMeasure/archives/2009/05/08/boldly-going-deep-into-freudian-analysis

HENRY:
Obama's election was initially heralded as the dawn of a new era of bipartisanship; if that hasn't quite worked out, it looks like at least some Hollywood producers paid attention. And thus, an Obama-minded blockbuster! But the problem with such (arguably naive) political "centrism" and "moderation" is that it's still based upon a belief in violence as a panacea. What did you make of the film's militarism?

BEN:
You know, I was pretty divided by Star Trek's blockbuster military fetishism (the preceding trailer for Transformers 2 had me a little queasy from the get-go). On the one hand, as you noted, this does seem to be a film informed by a shift in leadership from unilateralism (Bush) to coalition-building (Obama) — unless this whole franchise is really about an intergalactic United Nations, which I suspect is the case. On the other hand, how diplomatic can a movie that takes such obvious narrative and visual pleasure from death and destruction really be? Beyond the spectacular scenes of planet destruction, I found the frequent moments where the camera lingered on some anonymous extra's death strangely jarring — as happens whenever a missile hits a ship, when Vulcan is collapsing, and on a few other occasions. Even more unnerving, I thought, was the moment when the crew of the Enterprise sits watching the Romulan ship explode, then laughs (maniacally) at the extermination of the last of that species. The film acknowledges this scene's undiplomatic bent, but does that really make it okay?

also, I knew the time travel BS was gonna be a groaner when I saw Nimoy was billed as "Spock Prime."

no u didnt

the idea that jj abrams was like "if only i could get that pesky vulcan planet out of the way i'd be free to espouse my obama militarism as much as i'd like!!"

I didn't say it was necessarily conscious. It's $200 mil, babe, the messages are hardwired.

hardwired like a tinfoil hat

can we get you to Vulcan?

^ espousing hardwired Obama militarism

kinda figured it was like "hey, people want to see exciting explosions because this franchise is kinda talky etc... let's do that". like every film where the hero tries to save the villain from falling off and then the watch slips and Hans crashes to the ground.

if the ship was being sucked into a black hole, i don't know why they had to blow it up more though.

also: JJ needs to stop with the fucking lens flares already. also the camera moved too much because he must have been "aah, these massive lumbering ships are kinda dull". star trek battle scenes only work if there is a stalking tension or if there's loads of ships firing at the borg.

lol sure send me to a fictional planet mr. spaceman

also: JJ needs to stop with the fucking lens flares already.

also the camera moved too much

Yes this is true, and I especially noticed it at one point--Spock was on the bridge making some sort of command decision, and the camera was shaking and his head was getting clipped and i was like "wtf this is not reality tv."

Woah judging from that one youtube clip is the new Star Trek is a shoegaze movie?

This was awesome

you eat one bean and you're stuffed!#@

great

I am up to Undiscovered Country in my obligated catchup - clunky, but well-meaning, and obv. way more watchable than V, which was a total clusterfuck. On to the Stewart years...

saw this with mom. for mother's day. which made a lot of sense -- I remember watching this series in the early 80's with my grandmother, who would tell me that in 1966, as a social studies 7th/8th grade teacher she'd tell her catholic school students to go home and watch this amazing new morality play called 'Star Trek'

so I was totally entertained & misty-eyed at the characterizations which they really nailed, Bones & Scotty in particular but young conflicted Spock also made sense to me -- like a vote of confidence in the franchise, I could not help but love this

so much that I could even overlook the fairly stupid plot. I hear Morbs on this -- the idea of a crazed villain whose resentment is born from the Federation over-promising to save his people from a natural disaster is... well, I'd almost hear that, but the military solution is a little gleeful. the original show was so expert at displaying complexities -- this new film has the fun characterization & an unbelievably cool cast, but... Federation Utopia is getting tougher and tougher to posit, and this new film doesn't even try

I can't remember a single thing about any next generation movie except for the bit with kirk dying. I must have not even seen the last one or two.

& also yeah the whole alternative-timeline thing is maddening. I'm so much more of a fan of Asimov / McCaffrey in attempting to build a consistent 4th dimension, if people are travelling through time, they're travelling through a fixed vector god damn it, do not be lazy with your scripting -- I'm sad that if they move forward with this, they have basically invalidated the concrete history of the last 40 years of ST films / episodes, that is fucking selfish of them

xpost I missed the last one, the one before that was like a bad TNG episode, and the one before that had Alice Kriege as the Borg Queen and a Ronald D. Moore script and it was all right (though it also suffered from alternative timeline tension, they resolved it before film-end like Ellison)

I'm so much more of a fan of Asimov / McCaffrey in attempting to build a consistent 4th dimension

But those are individual authors versus what has now long been a collective/committee effort, to put it mildly. The impulse to go ahead and put a new stamp on it from newer members of the same team is (dare I say) logical.

FWIW, on the commentary he and Braga did for First Contact about four years back, both Moore and Braga expressed their hope that the franchise would reboot in some way or fashion, precisely because of how the issues of overarching continuity had become increasingly overwhelming.

Meanwhile the whole principle of alternate universes/timelines/etc has been a part of Trek since the original series. If that's the hook that Abrams et al have used then go back and blame Roddenberry et al for creating it to start with.

I don't mind alternative universes, I love "Mirror, Mirror" and all the followup episodes (some of the only DS9 episodes I could take featured sado-Kira). Those allow for consistency. Alternative timeline nonsense bugs me more than watching people parachute from space through the atmospheric layer.

Perhaps it is time, though. Perhaps it is time for Spock / Uhura love episodes. I'll loosen up and stay positive in that they really did find an amazing cast for the reboot.

x10 awesome

The Mirror Universe was first introduced in the original Star Trek episode "Mirror, Mirror". In the Terran Empire, officers were promoted for assassinating their superiors and order was kept by use of the "Agonizer" pain-giving devices. In some serious cases, the "Agony Booth" could also be used. Aesthetic differences included: the Mirror-crew's uniforms were flamboyant and somewhat robe-like, with ceremonial daggers for the officers; Mirror-Sulu was a Gestapo-like political officer with a disfiguring facial scar; Mirror-Spock had a goatee (which has led to a number of pop culture references of people from "evil alternate universes" having goatees, whereas the regular character does not); the "United Nations" emblem of the Federation was replaced in the Terran Empire symbol, which was a vertical sword of conquest savagely thrust through the Earth.

http://board.mdc2.org/albums/annoy/startrek.gif

I think everyone in the universe can agree that this is better than any of the movies with Next Generation cast.

There's nothing in this movie nearly as ridiculous as anything in Star Trek V.

Not even a beady-eyed space dwarf who likes sitting on top of things as if it gives him a sexual thrill?

nah that was dope

maybe the product placement, that was rather arrrggghh

Also how did the little dude get board the Enterprise?

*on board*, natch.

lol

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/1329/keenseranderin.jpg

Simon, any "obligated catchup" should deal principally w/ the original TV episodes.

I'm sad that if they move forward with this, they have basically invalidated the concrete history of the last 40 years of ST films / episodes

Not for those of us who are quitting the Abrams version right now... Plus that other history still exists over dere in the real universe. The plot of this thing was like a Star Wars prequel.

Chuckled at whatever critic called Pine "Dawson's Kirk." (apparently Joshua Jackson audititioned, so it coulda been much worse)

"There's nothing in this movie nearly as ridiculous as anything in Star Trek V."

Kirk bumping his head is homage to lame Scotty head bump in V. Also Uhura romance. Kirk's thrill-seeking stunts with natural rock formations. All tributes!

Is that picture above of the animated insurance commercial girl?

& also yeah the whole alternative-timeline thing is maddening. I'm so much more of a fan of Asimov / McCaffrey in attempting to build a consistent 4th dimension, if people are travelling through time, they're travelling through a fixed vector god damn it, do not be lazy with your scripting -- I'm sad that if they move forward with this, they have basically invalidated the concrete history of the last 40 years of ST films / episodes, that is fucking selfish of them

i think this is so, so acceptable. like morbs said, the other shows/movies still EXIST. i'm fine with them wanting to do whatever they want w/o being beholden to stupid continuity/fanboyism. all sorts of genre movies in the past few years have been totally ruined by being weighed down by all this elaborate backstory. i say let 'em go lean and mean.

Not for those of us who are quitting the Abrams version right now... Plus that other history still exists over dere in the real universe. The plot of this thing was like a Star Wars prequel.

Chuckled at whatever critic called Pine "Dawson's Kirk." (apparently Joshua Jackson audititioned, so it coulda been much worse)

― Dr Morbius, Sunday, May 10, 2009 8:52 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

but really, this movie, which you admit to liking, is enough for you to get off the star trek ship, but not "star trek V" or any of the lame TNG ones?

i'm fine with them wanting to do whatever they want w/o being beholden to stupid continuity/fanboyism. all sorts of genre movies in the past few years have been totally ruined by being weighed down by all this elaborate backstory. i say let 'em go lean and mean.

There was a telling moment in the First Contact commentary by Ron Moore and Brannon Braga -- recorded in 2005 I think -- where both of them pretty much said just this, albeit more politely. Of course Moore had already figured out how to do that with BSG but considering Braga had worked on things up through the Enterprise series I'm not surprised he felt especially peeved. And both of them grew up with the whole sense of the continuing story and history and details, especially Moore, so it's to their credit they realized it had become a potential shackle. (Also Straczynski had proposed his reboot in 2004 and I suspect both of them were well aware of it.)

so I saw this yesterday, really enjoyed it, even managed to get a few jokes since I started watching the original series for the first time to "prep," but I have a feeling that the sequel (I'm sure there will be one) will be better. There will be more time for a better villain, the expository stuff can be dropped and the crew characters will have room to breathe a bit.

Yeah, agreed, and hopefully -- crossed fingers -- it'll allow for more development of the core characters beyond Kirk and Spock (and arguably Uhura). Arguably Pegg and to an extent Yelchin just have to keep being effective comic relief tech wonks but Cho didn't have too much to do and frankly I *really* want to see more of Urban.

Arguably it's arugable, and arugula. Anyway.

This is not a "lean and mean" movie. Every scene that wasn't (or maybe even including) beastie boys was a knowing fanboy tribute to the series, previous movies, including the crappiest of the TNG movies (Star Trek: Generations, with Nimoy taking Shatner's place as "implausibly old dude from original series pitches in through time-magic to help the young'uns", blue-collar Romulan nemesis from Star Trek: Nemesis) This is excellent fanfiction.

this was dece. a few glitches. not as good as cloverfield.

earth had pretty shitty defences? like the enterprise was the only thing between the bad guys' ship and total destruction.

as with 'lost', found the time travel paradox a bit annoying but ehhh. i liked the time travel, just not pegg being given the compass he gave to alpert kind of thing.

i've never seen another star trek movie, and can't remember seeing any star trek on tv though i know i did once or twice.

earth had pretty shitty defences?

For some reason, Earth has always had this problem in Trek. Poor little planet.