*** ILE Best Films of the 1970s REVEALED ***

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Here we go. Sorry about the ties at the bottom of the poll, I thought I could get enough ballots to sort that out, but there were a few.

We'll start out with a good comment about American films in the 70s:

Phil says, I've written this elsewhere, but I think it's worth repeating: the richness of American film in the '70s owes almost as much to a brilliant array of character actors as it does to the decade's famous directors. Obviously that's true of the '30s and '40s, too, and maybe the same could be said of any decade if you took the time to look hard enough. But whenever I start thinking about my favourite films of the '70s with any degree of specificity, the first thing that comes to mind are scenes and lines that I'll forever identify with these supporting players: John Cazale, Allen Garfield, Peter Boyle, Ned Beatty, G.D. Spradlin, Harry Dean Stanton, Sterling Hayden, M. Emmet Walsh, P.J. Soles, Gwen Welles, Murray Moston, Helena Kallianiotes, Candy Clark, Michael Murphy, Jeannie Berlin, Paul Sorvino, Bert Remsen, etc., etc.--and, of course, about two dozen small roles scattered across the two Godfathers. There were even directors who did indelible work in front of the camera for a couple of minutes at a time, sometimes in their own films (Scorsese in Taxi Driver, Polanski in Chinatown), sometimes working for others (Huston in Chinatown, Rydell in The Long Goodbye). As great as Nicholson and Dunaway are in Chinatown, Polanski's little walk-on ("Where'd you get the midget, Claude?") is the best thing in the movie.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 27 August 2005 18:17 (eighteen years ago) link

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101b. Cross of Iron
Sam Peckinpah, 1976

Points: 25
Total Votes: 2
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 27 August 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

see, i've already made a mistake, that should be 101a. doh.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 27 August 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

This list is making me happy already.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 27 August 2005 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

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101b. Superman
Richard Donner, 1978

Points: 25
Total Votes: 2
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 27 August 2005 18:25 (eighteen years ago) link

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101c. The Bitter Tears of Petra von Kant
Rainer Werner Fassbinder, 1972

Points: 25
Total Votes: 2
First Place Votes: 0

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 27 August 2005 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I've never seen Bitter Tears, but that's a beautiful cover.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 27 August 2005 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

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98. The Getaway
Sam Peckinpah, 1972

Points: 25
Total Votes: 3
First Place Votes: 1

C-Man:
Kim, who was quite possibly the hottest human being on earth in the eighties. Then came the nineties and she got hooked up with a Baldwin, but she's still suuuuuper sexy in "The Getaway". Nudity is cool (as long as the fellas keep their togs on).

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 27 August 2005 19:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Peckinpah, Peckinpah!

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 27 August 2005 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

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97. The Harder They Come
Perry Henzell, 1972

Points: 28
Total Votes: 3
First Place Votes: 0

Pete Scholtes: I'd side with The Harder They Come only because the story is more mythic, and the music, which spans more years, includes some of the greatest popular music ever set to tape. The live gospel scene is so great. If there's a film from the rock steady era rotting away somewhere, I hope somebody finds it.

Eastern Mantra: This film's in my list of 14 impeccable films, and yet crazy ass me hasn't picked up the wonderful wonderful soundtrack. *le sigh*

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 27 August 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

That's all you get for now.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 27 August 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

that c-man comment is about the remake from the '90s!

gear (gear), Saturday, 27 August 2005 19:53 (eighteen years ago) link

(xpost) The comments on The Getaway are on a different version of the film. The great novel has an ending that makes Dostoyevsky seem bright and breezy, and neither film is brave enough to take that on fully, so I've never quite been able to love either.

I am disappointed The Harder They Come is so low. It has my favourite film soundtrack ever.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 27 August 2005 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link

whoops! my bad. I'm just searching for comments.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 27 August 2005 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought THTC would be higher too. There were some films like that that seemed to fall through the cracks.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 27 August 2005 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

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96b. The Shout
Jerzy Skolimowski, 1978

Points: 27
Total Votes: 3
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 27 August 2005 21:33 (eighteen years ago) link

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96a. Patton
Franklin J. Schaffner, 1970

Points: 27
Total Votes: 3
First Place Votes: 0

Kenan: Oh come on. If you're bored watching Patton you need to check your pulse.

Oops: The opening scene in Patton is the shit. . .

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 27 August 2005 21:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Dammit, The Shout is far too low as well.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 27 August 2005 21:49 (eighteen years ago) link

the first 50 will all be too low!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 28 August 2005 02:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the format.

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 28 August 2005 02:52 (eighteen years ago) link

how many people voted total?

happy the shout got three at least.

the scene where john hurt (playing a concréte music composer) slowly makes a new piece by close micing himself smoking a cigarette (static hiss) and recording trapped bees. followed by the scene where the maniac who can kill with his voice stares at him blankly, and says; "I've heard your music. it's empty. it's nothing."

Nightmare!

I forgot to vote for Night Porter. And forgot to vote for God Told Me To. I hope someone else did.

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 28 August 2005 03:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Something tells me Slapshot didn't make it :(

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 28 August 2005 03:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Umm, Petra Von Kant, Superman and Cross of Iron are all actually tied for 99th place, not 101st. Likewise, The Shout and Patton should say 95b and 95a.

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Sunday, 28 August 2005 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, and C-Man's comments on The Getaway are referring to the 1994 remake.

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Sunday, 28 August 2005 04:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Yea. The format is great. ILM needs to adopt it for our upcoming 80s poll.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Sunday, 28 August 2005 06:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Well we've encountered some difficulties. My computer crashed last night, and I've been going into data recovery mode. I'm going to have to put the reveal on hold until.

Number is off, but it shouldn't really matter, if people want to renumber after I'm done that's fine, but as longas they are in order!

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 28 August 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Ugh, it's looking more and more like I lost everything. I still have all the ballots in the gmail inbox, I just have to recalculate. Sorry, this really fucking sucks.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

in the meantime, i would like to point out that the comments on "the getaway" are referring to a later film of the same name.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 28 August 2005 20:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, like three people have pointed that out. I GOT IT.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 28 August 2005 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

i was being silly, jeff - i just thought it was funny that like half the comments so far were in response to that.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 28 August 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

*checks watch*

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 21:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm waiting for my new hd to arrive, should be thursday at the latest. Won't take me too long to calculate the results again, expect the reveal next weekend. SORRY ABOUT THE DELAY.

I love you guys.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't seen Shout, Getaway or Cross of Iron.

Patton, while 'professionally made' and primarily a Scott vehicle, leaves a sour taste for the way it was marketed -- with the subtitle 'Salute to a Rebel" to pander to the Groovy People -- and the way the film hedges against the bloodthirsty SOB's mania throughout, finding his desire to start WW3 before II was over kinda cute. It was also Dick Nixon's most-screened movie in the White House, and inspired him to illegally bomb Cambodia (I'll exempt Schaffner and Coppola from direct responsibility).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 12:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Thank you, we're so relieved!

Schaffner & Coppola (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 12:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Cross of Iron is really among the best of war movies, and it's exceptional in that it tolds it's story from the side of German troops in WWII. There are no good guys, every one acts like a human being in a shitty situation... And there's lots of philosophical and ethical pondering about people in war. The only minor downside is that the film shies away from making the two main characters members of the Nazi party (they both explicitly state that they aren't): that would've emphasized the idea that those on the "bad guys'" side weren't necessary that bad, just ordinary people caught in the midst of political currents far bigger than them.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 12:52 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, definitely. no-one was to blame!

The only minor downside is that the film shies away from making the two main characters members of the Nazi party (they both explicitly state that they aren't): that would've emphasized the idea that those on the "bad guys'" side weren't necessary that bad, just ordinary people caught in the midst of political currents far bigger than them.

so even if they *were* nazi party members, you're saying, they were powerless amid the 'currents' of politics?

N_RQ, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 12:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, not necessarily totally powerless, but since the film goes on to show that not all German soldiers were evil, it might've just as well pointed out that not all members of the Nazi party were evil either (certainly a huge amount of people did not join the party because they were Fascists at heart, but because they were expected to). I thought the decision not to made the main characters members of the party, even though they were army officers, felt like a deliberate attempt not to make the film more controversial than it already was.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I prefer Stalingrad over Cross of Iron when it comes to "German army on the eastern front" films, but that's not to say it's very good! it needs a decent DVD release here in the U.S.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I love James Coburn, and I'll rent that right away.

Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Excellent that "The Shout" got in there; interesting to think that it was made effectively with government money, c.f. the Eady Levy, and NFFC funding.

Never has another film made Devon seem so haunting. The whole film has a disquieting, slow pace, and evokes the madness and serenity in 'Englishness' better than many films by English directors. Bates (infinitely disturbing) and Hurt are great, too; what a shame we didn't see more of them in British cinema in the following decades.

Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:55 (eighteen years ago) link

To be fair Tom, that's because they spent the following decades pissed.

I Ain't No Addict, Whoever Heard of a Junkie as Old as Me? (noodle vague), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's a couple of comments from ILF about the original Getaway:

"Bring Me The Head Of Alfredo Garcia and The Getaway are among my all-time favourites. Past the hard-as-steel protagonists and the "balletic" action there really is an incredible economy of storytelling, visually these films are excellent. There is always a degree of tension wrung from every scene, and it's never over or underplayed, just on the surface. I actually find that a lot of directors/films that owe something to Peckinpah (Christopher McQuarries Way Of The Gun, Tarantino) skip over a lot of the qualities I have just mentioned."-Nordicskillz

"i got shit to say about the hows and whyfors but i absolutely love the wild bunch, straw dogs, ...alfredo garcia, and the getaway. i bought a toy shotgun last year and wrapped it in brown paper so i could emulate steve mcqueen while i watched the latter flick.
err...i mean nothing." -brian badword

As for me, I think the film has little more than diddleyshit to do with the book. That doesn't stop it from being one of McQueen's best, and one of Peckinpah's most entertaining. Not to mention a key part of Sally Struthers secret history (the other being Five Easy Pieces). Besides Alfredo Garcia was a fair stab at great pseaudo-Jim Thompson.

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Thursday, 1 September 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

"Pseudo-Jim Thompson"

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Thursday, 1 September 2005 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

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93. Day for Night
François Truffaut, 1973

Points: 28
Total Votes: 3
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 5 September 2005 17:22 (eighteen years ago) link

whoa hoe i'm back.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 5 September 2005 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Well? Don't stop now...

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 5 September 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link

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92a. Days of Heaven
Terrence Malick, 1978

Points: 29
Total Votes: 2
First Place Votes: 0

Amateurist: the rhythms are very strange. the sound design is strange. the pervasive quiet is very strange.

(i have to say i find the lead actress really unappealing. but the little girl is the strangest and most fascinating of all the film's elements.)

it's interesting to think of this film and "badlands" (and i guess "the thin red line") coming out the revisionist cycle of films that kicked off with "the chase" and "bonnie & clyde" etc. and they *are* revisionist readings of american history, albeit very unorthodox compared to the likes of "soldier blue" or even "heaven's gate."

sam shepard talks in this movie just like terrence malick!! it's weird.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 5 September 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link

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92b. The Tenant
Roman Polanski, 1976

Points: 29
Total Votes: 2
First Place Votes: 0

Jay Vee: I love when Polanski's character comes back from his wacky shopping spree, takes his new shoes out of their bag and does that little, high pitched "What lovely shoes! Wherever did you get them?" conversation with himself.

Polanski does "slowly unhinging" really, really well.


Fields of Salmon: the first time i saw this film i was stone cold sober, yet it unnerved me to such a degree that i actually shut it off (i think at the point where he starts screaming "they're trying to turn me into her!") ... and yet after staring at the darkened t.v. screen for about a minute i found myself unable to not finish the film.

Fabrice: One of my faves ever. The filming angles are also key in giving it that subtly nauseating feel, eg. when going to the bathroom and seeing the mummy there. Classic scene, Polanski in full garb in a darkened room staring at the window, with this head bouncing in the courtyard..

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 5 September 2005 17:41 (eighteen years ago) link

day for night is the weakest truffaut film i've seen

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Monday, 5 September 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Cross of Iron: one of - if not actually the - greatest war films ever, criminally - if not actually illegally - low - if not actually at the very bottom - of the chart. You call this democracy? Screw you!

I didn't vote so feel free to disregard above.

Pvt. Dave Goes To Far (scarlet), Monday, 5 September 2005 18:20 (eighteen years ago) link

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90a. All the President's Men
Alan J. Pakula, 1976

Points: 29
Total Votes: 3
First Place Votes: 9909

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 5 September 2005 19:19 (eighteen years ago) link

make that 0 first place votes for the previous

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 5 September 2005 19:20 (eighteen years ago) link

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90b. Up in Smoke
Lou Adler, Tommy Chong, 1978

Points: 29
Total Votes: 3
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 5 September 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

I have measured every editor I've worked for against Jason Robards, and they've all come up lacking.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 5 September 2005 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link

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88. The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser
Werner Herzog, 1975

Points: 31
Total Votes: 3
First Place Votes: 0

mm: It's so sad at the beginning of 'the enigma of kaspar hauser' when it says 'every man for himself and god against all

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 5 September 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

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87. Monty Python's Life of Brian
Terry Jones, 1979

Points: 31
Total Votes: 5
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 5 September 2005 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link

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86. Gates of Heaven
Errol Morris, 1978

Points: 31
Total Votes: 5
First Place Votes: 0

Sherm: best scene in Gates of Heaven is when the rock dude has his amp set up outside overlooking the cemetary and surrounding valley and is just jamming away.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 5 September 2005 19:41 (eighteen years ago) link

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85. Picnic at Hanging Rock
Peter Weir, 1979

Points: 32
Total Votes: 3
First Place Votes: 0

Alex in NYC: Every single instant in "Picnic at Hanging Rock" wherein the pan-flute theme is heard, ominously unfurling itself like a beautiful poisonous flower.

jewelly: I loved this film too. One of the many ideas I had about it was that it was sort of symbolically illustrating a shift from the Victorian era to the twentieth century (I think the story is set on Valentine's Day of 1901, yes?) ... And then I went out and rented a bunch of Peter Weir's movies and decided "Picnic" was the rare case of a director perfectly suited to the material

Kyria: One of my all-time favorites, this is not a movie for just everybody. Those who are willing to see no more then the "outward" picture- Victorian schoolgirls, repressed sexuality, menacing landscape and outstanding camera work- will probably lable the movie as "slow," or "old fashioned". But those who exert themselves a little, to become immersed in the picture, will discover the reasons why "Picnic at Hanging Rock" is such a masterpiece. From the story behind Venus (the picture of a "Botticelli angel") to the significance of the clocks pictured everywhere, the thousand and one pieces of a mystery that does not add up to an explanation; Put simply, every shot in the film is symbolic. And every shot in the film is fantastic.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 5 September 2005 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

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84. California Split
Robert Altman, 1974

Points: 32
Total Votes: 3
First Place Votes: 1

Jams Murphy: california split i loved, even though i can hardly remember a single scene. just hypnotic and typical greatness from segal and gould. you'd love it, adam

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 5 September 2005 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link

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83a. Up!
Russ Meyer, 1976

Points: 32
Total Votes: 4
First Place Votes: 0

SexyDancer: Meyer's film "Up!" remains as good as The Bible.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 5 September 2005 20:49 (eighteen years ago) link

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83b. Stroszek
Werner Herzog, 1977

Points: 32
Total Votes: 4
First Place Votes: 0

steveo: 'Stroszek' - alienated outsider musician (Bruno S. brilliant) released from prison leaves for US with hopes of new life in new world with prostitute girlfriend, but ends up in desolate Railroad Flats, Wisconsin. Curtis was about to leave on Joy Division's first US tour at the time.

Jeff-PTTL: C'mon, you know any film is classic if it ends with the line "We've got a truck on fire, can't find the switch to turn the ski lift off, and can't stop the dancing chicken. Send an electrician." Plus the first time I watched the film, I had the vaugest recollection that I had been there before, and I had! At least to the Cherokee tourist trap at the end, it's in the mountains of NC.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 5 September 2005 20:58 (eighteen years ago) link

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81a. Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid

Sam Peckinpah, 1973

Points: 33
Total Votes: 2
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 5 September 2005 21:11 (eighteen years ago) link

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81b. The Mirror
Andrei Tarkovsky, 1974

Points: 33
Total Votes: 2
First Place Votes: 0

Jeff-PTTL: I actually remember very little of this film, except that it was a complete mindfuck and gave me a raging headache. I loved it.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 5 September 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Film 94 is missing.

statistician, Monday, 5 September 2005 22:54 (eighteen years ago) link

it'll work out, my numbering is crazy anyway

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 5 September 2005 22:56 (eighteen years ago) link

meaning that I had them miss numbered when I started

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 00:19 (eighteen years ago) link

the get away should have been 97. I'm but a mere man.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 01:06 (eighteen years ago) link

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79. The Last Picture Show
Peter Bogdanovich, 1971

Points: 33
Total Votes: 4
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 01:10 (eighteen years ago) link

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78. Woodstock: 3 Days of Peace & Music
Michael Wadleigh, 1970

Points: 33
Total Votes: 5
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 01:13 (eighteen years ago) link

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77. The Warriors
Walter Hill, 1979

Points: 34
Total Votes: 3
First Place Votes: 0

nickalicious: Warriors for the bottle-clanking 'come-out-to-play-ee-ay', for featuring a gang whose get-up was vests-with-no-shirts-and-ascots, and basically just for being DA SHIT and entertaining me on many a drunken not-getting-any-tonight-why-not-turn-on-USA-network?-night.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 01:18 (eighteen years ago) link

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76. Papillion
Franklin J. Schaffner, 1973

Points: 35
Total Votes: 2
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 01:22 (eighteen years ago) link

good god it seems like they're getting erratically worse as the countdown continues.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 03:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Papillion is a bit shit, esp. when compared to Slapshot, which has not made this list, and Teh Warriors, which is probably missing Ally's vote and the votes of Ally's crew... also, there is no way that Last Picture Show is better than Patton. It is, to use my favorite phrase, a 'powerful and boring film'.

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 03:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Whereas Pappilon is, to coin a phrase of my own, 'profoundly silly.'

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 03:16 (eighteen years ago) link

The Last Picture Show is like the Anti-Amacord (and thus it should probably be way lower on the list as I imagine Amacord will rank in the top 10...)

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 03:19 (eighteen years ago) link

incredibly, "profoundly silly" is used, on the internet, only about 4,400 times

crosspost

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 03:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I remember enjoying the last picture show

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 03:20 (eighteen years ago) link

last picture show's great

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 07:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I always forget how kind of brutal The Last Picture Show is, until I see it and get reminded. Likely to be the only movie on the list to feature both naked Cybil Shepherd and beastiality.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 07:13 (eighteen years ago) link

i wouldn't count out at long last love just yet

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 07:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Last Picture Show would probably be in my all-time top 10, and is way too low. It is immensely moving and funny, and like no other film in all kinds of ways, with some great acting (and some not-great acting, admittedly).

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 11:12 (eighteen years ago) link

My fave Truffaut of the '70s is likely "The Green Room."

I just saw "Gates of Heaven" for the first time, and it's a solid piece of work, but I don't get any greatness. Morris' more recent films have more depth (except war criminal McNamara's semi-apologia).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 12:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I like Gates of Heaven, but I tend to agree. Sometimes that is exactly what i'm looking for, a sweet old man that just wants to do some good. It's like a pallette cleanser for me.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 13:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Day For Night: I like this one alot (it was Top 15 on my ballot). It has to be one of the most positive films about filmmaking ever made.*

*Albeit from the standpoint of "We're not making art, but that's better than making nothing at all."

California Split: My #1. I can't believe Murphy can hardly remember a single scene. Nearly ever sequence is classic in one way or another. OTM about it being hypnotic. Why #1? I just liked it better than the other 19.

Pat Garrett:I've only seen the short version, which is more like a sketch for a great movie than actually being a great movie. Still, Coburn's fucking awesome in it, as is Kris.

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 14:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I just saw "Gates of Heaven" for the first time, and it's a solid piece of work, but I don't get any greatness.

I think I agree, too. It's in Ebert's top 10 of all time, which I've never understood.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 14:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Why "Up"? I've never seen that one so I'm curious why it stands out above his others.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Search: Bogdanovich's story of meeting Nixon with Cybill at the White House.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.reel.com/Content/Reelimages/features2002/bogdanovich/bogdanovich.jpg

Have I mentioned that I knew Orsen Welles?

Rotgutt (Rotgutt), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 22:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Isn't Timothy Bottoms making a living as a Bush impersonator now?

Rotgutt (Rotgutt), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Day For Night: I like this one alot (it was Top 15 on my ballot). It has to be one of the most positive films about filmmaking ever made.*

*Albeit from the standpoint of "We're not making art, but that's better than making nothing at all."

Agreed! This was in my top 10. It's as madcap as Soapdish (remember that one?), but also very reflective, and kind of inspiring.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 22:49 (eighteen years ago) link

"When I begin a film, I want to make a great film. Halfway through, I just hope to finish the film."

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 22:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, upon reflection, Soapdish is too bitter to compare it to. Ed Wood is much better, and also one of my favorite movies.

Ah... I remember when I wanted to direct.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 23:00 (eighteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004Z1FM.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

75a. The Discreet Charm Of The Bourgeoisie
Luis Buñuel, 1972

Points: 36
Total Votes: 5
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 00:33 (eighteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0009X766Y.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

75b. The Sting
George Roy Hill, 1973

Points: 36
Total Votes: 5
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 00:38 (eighteen years ago) link

They're so cute.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 00:38 (eighteen years ago) link

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73a. The Deer Hunter
Michael Cimino, 1978

Points: 37
Total Votes: 3
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 00:45 (eighteen years ago) link

don't care for those last two really

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 00:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the sting

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 00:48 (eighteen years ago) link

http://www.1worldfilms.com/France/celine10.jpg

73b. Celine and Julie Go Boating
Jacques Rivette, 1974

Points: 37
Total Votes: 3
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 00:49 (eighteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0790731487.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

71. Blazing Saddles
Mel Brooks, 1974

Points: 37
Total Votes: 5
First Place Votes: 0

Stew: Blazing Saddles is comedy gold. Of course it's scattershot, but the vast majority of gags hit. It's sublimely silly, but nevertheless is one of the best films about racism ever made, thanks, in part to Pryor's briliant gags, such as Cleavon Little taunting the Klansmen, "Where the white women at?". Lily Von Stup is great too. The schnitzengruber! Hedley Lamarr and his linguistic flights!

Andrew L: 'Blazing Saddles' was the first film I went to see at the cinema where I was underage (it was a UK 'AA' - you had to be at least 14, and I was 13, not much diff, I know, but still quite exciting.) This was in 1979 (oh god) - a revival double bill w/ 'Monty Python and the Holy Grail' at our local fleapit - just before the home video market killed off such things. I'd never seen anything as outrageous as the classic campfire/farting scene before...

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 00:56 (eighteen years ago) link

last comment sort of relevent. ilxors like listing films much more than discussing them.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 00:57 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a comment on The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie, but it will not be terribly helpful. If I describe the movie, it sounds obvious, out-of-date, and dead. You just have to see it.

It's basically a farce about the misbehaviour of the more respected class. This has been done badly so many times that no one would bother based on this description, and yet it's more than that -- it's Bunuel. Ebert is fond of saying that a movie is not about what it's about, but about how it's about it, and this is a prime example. This movie does not date, not because the lampooned people here still exist in any meaningful way, but because Bunuel makes it about more than them. It's a brilliant fucking film.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 00:57 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah the sting's alright, just sorta surprised to see it this high. i like butch and sundance alot more, there's at least two other 70s newman flix i like tons more. it's always been one of those best pictures that made me go 'really?', i guess if 'the greatest show on earth' places in the 50s poll i'll be more surprised.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

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70. In the Realm of the Senses

Nagisa Oshima, 1977

Points: 38
Total Votes: 6
First Place Votes: 0

James Blount: the first time I saw In The Realm of the Senses it was in the library when I was 16; I kept looking over my shoulder.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:03 (eighteen years ago) link

despite really like the sting, I've never seen butch & sundance

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:04 (eighteen years ago) link

FORGOT THIS COMMENT ON BLAZING SADDLES:

Peter Scholtes: Fuck Young Frankenstein, this is Mel Brooks's best. Now would you like another schnitzengruben?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:08 (eighteen years ago) link

The Sting is very likable, but it's definitely punching above its weight here.

xpost: oooo, In the Realm of the Senses. I actually just saw this in time to put it on my ballot. What a sumptuously crazy movie. I happened to see it within a week or so of seeing The Piano Teacher, and I thought it was so much better because there was actually some kind of deeply felt love and desire driving the whole tortuous relationship, not just loathing. Even the big, um, coup de grace (or coup de groin) works as an act of love, both in the giving and the taking. Also, it helped me understand a little where Miike comes from.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:08 (eighteen years ago) link

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69a. Breaking Away
Peter Yates, 1979

Points: 39
Total Votes: 4
First Place Votes: 0

Peter Scholtes: What I remember most are the dives into the quary lake, the quiet breeze of the earliest bike race, and Jackie Earle Haley taking his girl down to the judge to get married. That moment is so sweet, but so natural and offhanded. It's just like the movie's humor. (Watch it with the comparably arty and talky Spring Forward and you'll see similar class themes, too.) Maybe the camera seems too indifferent to be considered great "film," but sometimes art happens casually, and I think it does here.

xhuxk: *Breaking Away* was the John Cougar (without the Mellencamp) of movies.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:09 (eighteen years ago) link

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69b. Get Carter
Mike Hodges, 1971

Points: 39
Total Votes: 4
First Place Votes: 0

Alex in NYC: Michael Caine is one cool motherfucker.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:16 (eighteen years ago) link

pretty sure alex was talking about cider house rules when he made that comment

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

lol

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

The Sting is very likable, but it's definitely punching above its weight here.

A lot of movies are punching above thier weight here, in various people's opinion. Who's the douche that put Pappillon in their top five? You know it was just one guy who got that crap on the list.

Then again, we're totally in that part of the list.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:19 (eighteen years ago) link

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67a. Play it Again Sam
Herbert Ross, 1972

Points: 42
Total Votes: 4
First Place Votes: 0

Jimmy the Mod: An oddity in the Woody Allen Cannon and a forgotten masterpiece. And odd, really, with Ross' trendy San Franciscoization of it all.

Jedidah: The most consistently, side-splittingly funny comedy of the last thirty years

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:19 (eighteen years ago) link

You're all forgetting one thing: Michael Caine is one cool motherfucker.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think Play It Again Sam is either forgotten or a masterpiece. But it's a lot of fun.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:22 (eighteen years ago) link

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67b. Shampoo
Hal Ashby, 1975

Points: 42
Total Votes: 4
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, lord.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:24 (eighteen years ago) link

this thread is crazy unpredictable, a little disconcerting you can get 67 with four votes - why didn't more people vote???

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link

haha - "you wanna fuck?"

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:26 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost Because apparently no one has seen anything.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:27 (eighteen years ago) link

We recieved 50 ballots, I didn't think that was too bad. I really push for it.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:28 (eighteen years ago) link

It probably would have sufficed with a top 50, but I think these are pretty funny at times the way they are ordered, so I stretched it out to 100. It's all in good fun.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:33 (eighteen years ago) link

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67c. The Exorcist
William Friedkin, 1973

Points: 42
Total Votes: 4
First Place Votes: 0

Rat: I saw the Exorcist for the first time by myself alone on T.V. late at night. "Parental control" did not exist then. I was scarred for life. By far the scariest movie I've ever seen.

Joe: As a total film, though, I would say The Exorcist (the version WITHOUT all the extra scenes, that is; the 'Version You've Never Seen' ending is total crap) is still the best of the three. Jason Miller's performance as Father Karras is totally underrated...he really drives the film, along with Ellen Burstyn. And Lee J. Cobb (in his last high-profile movie) is always a pleasure to watch. Best scenes: "You're gonna die up there", the dream sequence with Karras' mother and the semi-subliminal cut of the demon face, and of course the actual exorcism.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:34 (eighteen years ago) link

teehee, shampoo and the exorcist

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:34 (eighteen years ago) link

okay, this next one is going to piss some people off.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:35 (eighteen years ago) link

xxpost Recieved 50 ballots from people who had seen 20 movies from the 70's, obv. I'm not pissed or anything, I'm just saying that maybe we're not punching our... um... age group on this board. Lat's cancel the 60's poll, plz. Nothing good can come of it.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:36 (eighteen years ago) link

haha 20 herzog movies from the 70s "obv"

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, I think The Exorcist, seen as an actor's film, is the hammiest piece of crap ever. But it still scares the fucking shit out of me. This is an evil film, and I don't believe in evil.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link

lol

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link

haha 20 herzog movies from the 70s "obv"

That makes no sense. I think we all saw ONE herzog film. It's real high up. You'll see.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:39 (eighteen years ago) link

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64. Amacord

Federico Fellini, 1974

Points: 42
Total Votes: 4
First Place Votes: 1

Jedidiah - Fellini's last masterpiece, and my vote for the best overall film of the 70s

H: Amarcord does hold a special place in my heart though for the um, interpretive dance by (maddalena?) the kids go to witness.

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64. Amacord

Federico Fellini, 1974

Points: 42
Total Votes: 4
First Place Votes: 1

Jedidiah - Fellini's last masterpiece, and my vote for the best overall film of the 70s

H: Amarcord does hold a special place in my heart though for the um, interpretive dance by (maddalena?) the kids go to witness.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:40 (eighteen years ago) link

hey! I posted that twice!

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:40 (eighteen years ago) link

you sure as hell did.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, lord.

Oh no, Shampoo at #67 with 4 votes? (Insert movie title here) was robbed!

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link

There weren't any comment before I said, "Oh, lord."

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Doing my part, is all.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha ha "part"

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:46 (eighteen years ago) link

i think the only thing i can enjoy about the exorcist is it's o so 70s touches, the 'actors film' aspects, the movie burstyn is in. i like the immediate pop culture residue from it also. everything else about it i hate.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:46 (eighteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0780020847.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

63. Walkabout
Nicolas Roeg, 1971

Points: 42
Total Votes: 6
First Place Votes: 0

Shookout: "Walkabout" is a pervert's dream. Jennie Augger in school girl clothes. And naked!

Ian Riese-Moraine: I loved Walkabout. Not just because of Jenny Agutter either (sure, she was completely naked, but I don't think the film was very discerning about her parts if I remember right...they always appeared blurry or not in plain sight or underwater).

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:46 (eighteen years ago) link

kenan you've only seen one herzog flick? you should check out some of his others - great stuff! the two already listed on this thread are pretty great, but it's hard to go wrong with the 70s stuff.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

which director is most likely to make the most appearances? herzog's got at least 3, altman might top that, will tie it at least surely. hal ashby? john waters? coppola's probably got four in right? if 'play it again sam' came in this high does that mean there's alot of woody allen to come?

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I've seen a good amount of herzog, but i do admit i'm missing some essentials. I will depend on Jeff to fill me in. If he would ever answer his goddamn phone, this would all be simpler.

Ok, that wasn't fair. But Jeff, why won't you ever answer your phone?

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:52 (eighteen years ago) link

john waters?

I'm really doubting this.

if 'play it again sam' came in this high does that mean there's alot of woody allen to come?

my magic 8 ball predicts "yes".

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I never hear it, it's charging in the bedroom, and on buzzy buzz buzz. Also, I'm afraid of the phone, which is why I always have it in the bedroom on buzz.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:55 (eighteen years ago) link

You keep everything you're afraid of in the bedroom.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:56 (eighteen years ago) link

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62. Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind

Steven Spielberg, 1977

Points: 45
Total Votes: 6
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I have a comment: It's the film on which Spielberg both found his voice and lost his soul. It all happenens at once.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 01:59 (eighteen years ago) link

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61. The Last Detail
Hal Ashby, 1973

Points: 46
Total Votes: 7
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:01 (eighteen years ago) link

that movie's awesome

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Didja vote for it? Once again, I'm at a loss for words.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm going to eat a banana.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I had to look it up, but Last Detail was my #13.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:08 (eighteen years ago) link

i had it 11, i had shampoo 19 - quite possibly if you switch them on my ballot they switch on the poll

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Someonw who was not me, but who I liked reading, recently pointed out how The Last Detail still does a good job of pointing out the class difference between the military and the civilians in American society. I liked that a lot.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link

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60. The Red Circle
Jean-Pierre Melville, 1970

Points: 47
Total Votes: 4
First Place Votes: 1

Jedidiah: One of the greatest crime movies ever made. Alain Delon is beyond cool in this film

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:23 (eighteen years ago) link

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59. Susperia

Dario Argento, 1977

Points: 47
Total Votes: 6
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link

I knew I'd do that eventually

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link

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59. Susperia

Dario Argento, 1977

Points: 47
Total Votes: 6
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:26 (eighteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0792846095.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

58. Love and Death
Woody Allen, 1975

Points: 49
Total Votes: 4
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Comments for Love and Death are impossible to search for on ILX.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:28 (eighteen years ago) link

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57. Pink Flamingos
John Waters, 1972

Points: 49
Total Votes: 5
First Place Votes: 0

Elisabeth: I like how all of the scenes he had to cut in Pink Flamingos are really short, but he left in heaps of shots of the trailor burning! I mean really I'm sure there was room for that pig latin bit.
Pink Flamingos is my favourite and I could read Shock Value over and over again, well I have.


dave q: PINK FLAMINGOS!!! "You can eat shit for all I care!", "There's two kinds of people in the world, my kind and assholes", "No one sends you a bowel movement and lives!", "Do my balls, mama!", "But WHAT if one day there's no more EGGS?!"

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link

this thread is making me feel better abt my taste in movies after the laws of attraction debacle.

except xpost I love love and death so much. it's like all woody allen's earlier slapstick applied to high-cult directly insteada just being *about* high-cult. jump-cut gags with dosteyevskian dialogue! "wheat. wheat. wheat."

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:35 (eighteen years ago) link

now get ready for what you've all been waiting for: a 4 way tie for 56

sigh.

at least this is the next to the last one.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:36 (eighteen years ago) link

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56a. Bring Me The Head of Alfredo Garcia
Sam Peckinpah, 1974

Points: 50
Total Votes: 5
First Place Votes: 0

Kenan: I think the grasp on masculinity was the problem. It held onto masculinity like it was golden shit. I mean, the movie is aware of its own obsessions -- don't get me wrong. But in "Alfredo Garcia," the lead character has lost his way so profoundly that we sense him re-inventing his masculinty on his own terms, killing for his own reasons, sympathizsing with or condemning others off the top of his head, because he has nothing to lose and, once he gets all the facts about his girlfriend, nothing to gain. He becomes the poster child for inventing your own morality, which makes his actions at the end all the heavier. Nobody TOLD him to do that... no reasonable person ever would have.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link

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56b. Five Easy Pieces
Bob Rafelson, 1970

Points: 50
Total Votes: 5
First Place Votes: 0

Bryan: A masterpiece and beautiful film. Not the best film ever, but I'd say it's Nicholson's best work and Karen Black should be much more acclaimed and recognized than she is. It's one of best of those important films in a period (mid-60's to mid-70's) of cinema that is sorely neglected. The sad crop of indie-film assholes who think John Favreau is great cannot appreciate a film like Five Easy Pieces.

Andrew L: ONE OF the best movies ever made, certainly - morseo than 'Last of the Mohicans' or 'Cabaret', that's fer feckin' sure.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:51 (eighteen years ago) link

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56c. God Told Me To
Larry Cohen, 1976

Points: 50
Total Votes: 5
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:51 (eighteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005BCJQ.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

56d. The Muppet Movie
James Frawley, 1979

Points: 50
Total Votes: 5
First Place Votes: 0

Deric: The Muppet Movie and The Great Muppet Caper are two of my absolute favorite movies. No shit.

kingfish: The Muppet Movie is an endless classic, mainly b/c they wrote for both the adults & the kids. The GMC had Charles Grodin & Kermit professing their love for miss piggy in a duet. MTM i saw once at the theaters in 1988, and i have yet to see a muppet flick since.

michele: Search - Muppet Movie, especially for the puns (Drinks are on the house! or If frogs couldn't hop I'd be gone with the Schwinn!) and for Dr. Teeth and the Electic Mayhem. Also, great sing along songs.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:51 (eighteen years ago) link

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52. The Devil, Probably

Robert Bresson, 1977

Points: 52
Total Votes: 4
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:53 (eighteen years ago) link

i really need to see alfredo garcia.

god told me to is awesome

the devil, probably is totally awesome

jeff do 10 votes get you in the top ten? what the hell ppl?

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:55 (eighteen years ago) link

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51. Carrie
Brian De Palma, 1976

Points: 52
Total Votes: 4
First Place Votes: 1

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Carrie is my wife's favorite movie ever. It must rock then.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:57 (eighteen years ago) link

the number 10 movie has 10 total votes.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

The list is heavily weighted towards the top, which isn't surprising, since the usualy suspects will be there, with may a few surprises.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 03:08 (eighteen years ago) link

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50a. Harlan County, USA
Barbara Kopple, 1976

Points: 52
Total Votes: 5
First Place Votes: 0

Tadeusz: Harlan County, USA (about an extremely violent coal miner's strike in West Virginia during the Seventies) is also a must-see.


Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 03:08 (eighteen years ago) link

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50b. The Wicker Man
Robin Hardy, 1975

Points: 52
Total Votes: 5
First Place Votes: 0

C-man: The Wicker Man - which shows the cruelty humans will carry out without feelings of guilt or remorse on behalf of their faith is far scarier.

Trevor: Yes, the mundaneness of the bulk of the film is what provides the ending's impact. The viewer is made to share the victim's overwhelming sense of "NO! THIS CANNOT BE HAPPENING!".

Andrew L.: Classic! One of the v. best English horror films evah, along w/ 'Witchfinder General'. I always find the sight of C. Lee in a dress and wig inexplicably haunting/spooky (see also Anthony Perkins at the end of 'Psycho'.) And I don't think it's a crappy movie before the ending - Lindsay Kemp is wonderful, the scenes at the school are truly creepy, and the whole 'pagan' flavah is a uniquely 'English' kind of terror, a clash between competing 'ways of praying'.

Ben Mot: A tad overrated I feel. The Britt Ekland wall-banging, arse-slapping scene (together with Woodward's sweaty reaction) is somewhat risible, but there's no denying that the climax is utterly horrifying no matter how many times you watch the film, made more so by the deliberate slow pacing leading up to it. Only the incongruity of some 70's wah-wah music at the end (clashes with the corn dolls and barley rigs folk ditties heard throughout) has dated it really. Oh, and I think Diane Cilento is excellent too.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 03:08 (eighteen years ago) link

That's it for tonight. The top 50 will be over the next few days. No more ties! Thanks for playing.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 03:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Recieved 50 ballots from people who had seen 20 movies from the 70's, obv. I'm not pissed or anything, I'm just saying that maybe we're not punching our... um... age group on this board. Lat's cancel the 60's poll, plz. Nothing good can come of it.

Is your name Dr. Morbius?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 04:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Jeff, I still don't understand your numbering system. The four tied at #56 should be tied at #53, surely.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 04:09 (eighteen years ago) link

i merely started at the bottom, instead of at the top with the numbering. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER, they are in the same order, no matter what they are numbered.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 10:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Ok, at least two documentaries so far, and "Shoah" didn't even make the top 100 for the '80s... pet cemeteries are cuter than Dachau I guess.

>Oh no, Shampoo at #67 with 4 votes?<

I think it's overrated, but two cinema-savvy friends of mine probably think it's the best (read subtle) American political film of the '70s.

"You are a wonderful lover." "I practice a lot when I'm alone."
(NOT pillow talk btwn me and jaymc)

Blazing Saddles is the film on which Mel Brooks both found his voice and lost his soul. It all happened at once. (he got it back on loan for Young Frankenstein)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 13:25 (eighteen years ago) link

i never have seen shampoo, am i missing much?

piscesboy, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 13:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Shampoo is one of the best movies about the death of the '60s and it's one of Ashby's funniest. So if you like Ashby then yeah you're missing something.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:32 (eighteen years ago) link

i should've voted! i hope serpico is in there somewhere...

stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Let's see here:

Carrie: Saw this recently, and didn't like it as much as I probably would have when I was in high school. That said, I jumped about 3 feet out of my chair when Sue dreams about the rubble.

Discreet Charm: Made top thirty for me. And you know what? I saw The Phantom of Liberty a couple of weeks ago and it's even better.

Le Cercle Rouge: Totally awesome. Can you fucking believe that robbery scene? Melville was a God amongst directors. Sadly, I didn't see this until after voting time. Would have top 15 or 10.

I think it's kinda funny and sad that Close Encounters will probably be the highest Truffaut-related project to place.

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

okay, so I lied there was one more tie Ididn't notice. I'll commit suicide later.

So we continue...

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link

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48a. M*A*S*H
Robert Altman, 1970

Points: 55
Total Votes: 6
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

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48b. Barry Lyndon
Stanley Kubrick, 1975

Points: 55
Total Votes: 6
First Place Votes: 0

Earl Nash: Barry Lyndon is a beautiful movie. I love how natural things look in the sequences in the castle with the candles. The battle scenes are amazing.

Dr. Morbius: There are days I think Barry Lyndon is Kubrick's second-best film (after 2001). Likely his subtlest; so smart and profoundly funny.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

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46. Solaris
Andrei Tarkovsky, 1972

Points: 56
Total Votes: 5
First Place Votes: 0

Nordicskillz: Solaris is the Kid A of films. make of that what you will.

Martin Skidmore: I'm a fan, and I'll go for Solaris just ahead of Stalker, for its unique look and mood and compelling slowness. They're maybe my two favourite SF films ever (well, maybe two of three with Metropolis, I guess).

amateurist: solaris is the one tarkovsky film that has had a great emotional effect on me (much of this is due to the reorchestrated bach cantata used on the sdtk), but while i adore it i think it has patchy parts, esp. toward the beginning.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 23:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I love that cover, it always makes me thing that the characters are computer graphics.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 8 September 2005 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

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45. Beyond the Valley of the Dolls
Russ Meyer, 1970

Points: 56
Total Votes: 6
First Place Votes: 0

n/a: Beyond the Valley of the Dolls is a great, great, weird film.

emil.y: There is no way in the universe that Beyond The Valley Of The Dolls is a bad film. Yes, it has self-consciously cheesy bits, but it also has everything! you'd! ever! want! ever! in a film: it is hilarious (eminently quotable); the music is amazing; you can be a seedy lust-merchant if you really want to be; it is truly deranged and psychedelic in places; the cinematography and editing are actually very good and if not comparable to a beautiful art-piece then it's definitely above the level of most Hollywood films and it all fits perfectly into the pace, mood and context of the film; the casting and mise-en-scene creation are perfect; good lord, there is nothing wrong with it at all.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 8 September 2005 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

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44. Claire's Knee
Eric Rohmer, 1971

Points: 59
Total Votes: 4
First Place Votes: 1

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 8 September 2005 00:16 (eighteen years ago) link

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43. Straw Dogs
Sam Peckinpah, 1971

Points: 59
Total Votes: 8
First Place Votes: 0

Jedidiah: Violent, messy, bleak--I'm astounded at how long this movie stayed with me after I saw it

mark s: one of the things peckinpah does which almost no mainstream directors do is show you strongly dislikeable characters as protagonists who he wants to get you to face and understand and think about, rather than just easily side with (or against): so when calum says he found this particular aspect of this film "troubling", my guess wd be that peckinpah WANTED viewers to be troubled by this, and to look into themselves and work out the nastiness of their own feelings as well as the easyreach pat-yrself-on-the-back goodness — ie that calum saying this wd mean peckinpah wd say "hooray it worked, be troubled, you should be!!", rather than "oh no! i thought everyone agreed w.me that all women are sex-robots!"

Austin: I think the Straw Dogs essay is just tops. I really recommend it to anyone, but especially people who find the movie gross (I did, my first couple times through.)

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 8 September 2005 00:23 (eighteen years ago) link

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42. The Conformist
Bernardo Bertolucci, 1970

Points: 60
Total Votes: 5
First Place Votes: 1

Mary: The Conformist rocks ohh those shots of architecture are nice.

Mr. Diamond: I think the reductionism in The Conformist is a little annoying, yes, but everything else about the film is so powerful and moving that I really don't care to carp too much about it. The scene where they're all dancing is amazing.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 8 September 2005 00:29 (eighteen years ago) link

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41. That Obscure Object of Desire
Luis Buñuel, 1977

Points: 62
Total Votes: 6
First Place Votes: 0

Jedidiah: Bunuel does something few directors ever have: he goes out at the top of his game. This movie is damn near flawless.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 8 September 2005 00:37 (eighteen years ago) link

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40. Don't Look Now
Nicolas Roeg, 1974

Points: 63
Total Votes: 6
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 8 September 2005 00:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Every batch, there is at least one where I'm appalled at how low it is. This time there are two - Solaris and Don't Look Now. At least my favourites are appearing here and there, but I confidently expect to be thinking "How the FUCK is THAT better than Don't Look Now?" when we get #39.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 8 September 2005 10:44 (eighteen years ago) link

ILX love da recently marketed re-releases.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ALL 80 YEARS OLD LIKE YOU

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't think it so much as marketing, than it is availablity. There was no way I could watch these films in the 80s and early 90s, they just weren't available where I lived.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 8 September 2005 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Don't Look Now is great until the climax. Just silly.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 September 2005 13:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm ashamed of how few of these films I've seen (29 by my count). This is a great rental list... That said, some of these are pure crap.

Play It Again Sam? Except that date scene where he tosses the record across the room, it's really stage-bound and embarassingly sexist. The Excorcist is laughable religious hokum: I've tried to watch it again, and just can't get through it. It's grindingly bad. All the President's Men is ponderous: Maybe you had to live through it to think otherwise. M*A*S*H is smugly unfunny and Straw Dogs is fascist (but still a great movie). I don't see how Blazing Saddles and Close Encounters, just by being more popular, have less soul than any of those films.

Pete Scholtes, Thursday, 8 September 2005 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I quite like All the President's Men, much more than Pakula's other films except for Klute (which I imagine won't show up at all since there isn't a new deluxe DVD). But then I was a pubescent Nixon hater.

Play It Again Sam is an entertaining product of its time (Woody was considered hip and sexually progressive in '72), but again, not a serious response.... but MY GOD THIS IS JUST A LIST OF FUN MOVIES!!! sorry. anticipating.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 September 2005 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

the thing i like most about this thread is it shows how pedestrian morbs taste are (all the president's men?????? maybe shampoo is too 'subtle' for you! and love for don't look now - say no more), i wasn't aware people even watch play it again sam really anymore, maybe it's getting it's placement from being a regularly staged high school play (or seriously every fucking woody allen movie is making this list). m*a*s*h* is decent, probably better as the first full blast of altman at the time than as 'where that tv show came from' as it is now (still leagues better than the tv show), it's basically south pacific with less songs, more blood and hairier, uglier actors. pity morbs prefers pakula to waters, roeg to herzog. thank god ile (note - E) doesn't think that way. cold, miserable and stupid is no way to go thru life son.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 8 September 2005 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

also this poll doesn't drop trou for recent deluxe reissue nearly as much as sight and sound or voice polls. deluxe reissue : film polls :: having a good month for a contender in august/september : mvp voting. but then again you don't get baseball either so maybe that's too 'subtle' for you.

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

it's basically south pacific with less songs

Ha, except the "I'm Gonna Wash That Man Right Outta My Hair" scene ends somewhat differently...

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:07 (eighteen years ago) link

So Play It Again Sam, an "entertaining" and "fun" movie, places at #67 out of 100. What exactly is the problem with that? Does a movie have to be dramatic to be great? (I personally think it's the funniest movie I've ever seen, which is why I voted for it.)

jedidiah (jedidiah), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't see why anyone would get upset about anything under #50. With so few people voting, at least the bottom half of the poll is pretty much meaningless.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

So Jed, you think Woody's other films woulda been funnier if Herbert Ross directed them? (thx to the stars and Neil Simon doing what he's good at for a change, The Sunshine Boys is a funnier Ross movie btw)

>morbs prefers pakula to waters, roeg to herzog.

Funny blount, I snubbed the guys I "prefer" in the poll and voted for Female Trouble and Aguirre. cold, incoherent and shitfaced is no way to go thru life suhhhh... (ya don't say the N)

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link

that is funny! and your father disagrees with you on the second point (he disagrees with you on the pronunciation of 'son' also, but perhaps yr smug center-right yuppie act caused someone to knock your two front teeth out long ago in which case i won't poke fun or fuhhh if 'ya' don't say the n).

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:38 (eighteen years ago) link

center-right yuppie? man, show the evidence and i'll blow you (with all teeth intact, so look out).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

i like all the president's men despite the fact that being a journalism major has forced me to sit through it in, oh, about three different classes. it's prob not a 'great' movie (tho i'd take it over m*a*s*h any day, the only thing i like about that is the closing credits) but it's not 'pure crap' by any means.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I doubt if Woody's other films would be funnier if Ross directed them; I think it has more to do with Woody's writing than Ross's direction. Play It Again Sam just seems more consistently funny to me than, say, Everything You Always Wanted to Know..., or Bananas, or Sleeper, which I love, don't get me wrong, but there are several bits that fall flat.

jedidiah (jedidiah), Thursday, 8 September 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I think of Sleeper as Woody's first 'mature' comedy (while still slapstick) -- it's certainly much more cinematic than Play It Again Sam, which very much wears its Broadway origin despite the 'opening-up' and SF location shots.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 September 2005 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

More comments:

Straw Dogs: Jay Cocks was on to something when he said (I paraphrase) this was the first major American film to be devoid of heroes. I know that the whole "blood shed as rite of passage" angle gets played up alot, but even Peckinpah said the theme was about coming to terms with the evil you are capable of doing.

M*A*S*H: If you think about it, this movie is notable for two rarely discussed reasons--(1) It sets up a formula for some Altman, meaning throw a diverse bunch of people into a common community situation for a set period of time (Nashville, Short Cuts, McCabe, Popeye) and devote the last act entirely to some event (the concert in Nashville, the Reno card game in California Split, the shoot-out/church fire in McCabe), and (2) This is the spiritual birth of flicks like Animal House, Stripes and such (straights vs. hip rebels with comic results etc).

Useless trivia: M*A*S*H frequently gets compared to Mike Nichols' very good take on Catch-22 (which may or may not be coming up on the list). For those who haven't seen Catch-22, or have seen it and missed it, look closely at the soldiers in line at Milo's brothel. That dazed-looking one standing in the curve of the line inside the building is Alan Alda, star of the M*A*S*H TV show.

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Thursday, 8 September 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link

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39. Stalker
Andrei Tarkovsky, 1979

Points: 67
Total Votes: 5
First Place Votes: 1

Pashmina: I think the best part of "Stalker" is the whole sequence from where the protagonists enter the zone in their land-rover, up to where they get into the zone, and you see the abandoned tanks, bodies in armoured cars etc. The part where they are on the little rail trolly, and you can see the landscape behind them changing is just phenomenally good, esp w/the newer artemiev soundtrack.

Reed Moore: - the reason I prefer Stalker is how expertly he creates the world of 'the zone' without resorting to any kind of cheap special effects, relying instead on more subtle effects of lighting and color to create that sense of foreboding. The shots of the undulating grass, the close-ups of the water with the submerged industrial detritus, the characters' physical disorientation and circular travels while in the zone, the encounter with the telephone -- all add up to one of the more eerie and unsettling films where nothing really overtly *scary* ever happens.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 8 September 2005 23:45 (eighteen years ago) link

'newer' artemyev soundtrack? was it revised?

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

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38. Cries & Whispers
Ingmar Bergman, 1972

Points: 69
Total Votes: 4
First Place Votes: 2

Jedidiah: Harrowing. Bergman and Sven Nykvist's use of color is highly effective and astonishing.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

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37. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

Milos Forman, 1975

Points: 70
Total Votes: 7
First Place Votes: 0

Justyn: With its unreliable narrator and LSD-influenced narrative, Ken Kesey's novel is the
epitome of the unfilmable book, but it worked incredibly well taken straight, with Jack Nicholson and Louise Fletcher doing a lot to humanize their rather archetypal characters. A fine supporting cast, most of whom later wound up on "Taxi."

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:17 (eighteen years ago) link

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36. Monty Python and the Holy Grail
Terry Gilliam and Terry Jones, 1975

Points: 72
Total Votes: 7
First Place Votes: 0

Girolamo Savonarola: I think it's exceedingly hard in Western society (especially among males) to find someone who can actually speak of this film rationally and without total bias. I know I've seen it way too often to be able to look at it at all vaguely objectively. Is my laughter to this film reflexive now, or does it remain genuine? God knows. I haven't seen it in a while anyway, but I have the movie embedded in my memory, so why bother? The director's cut sucked, by the way, not b/c they made the movie bad, but because they were the least noticeable changes a director's cut has had in a long time. On the other hand, any excuse to roll this back out into the big screens again is fine with me. I wonder, though, if MP is at risk of such cultural saturation to the point that it all sorta cancels out as humor? Or worse, if they run the risk of being so seen that they age badly (a la Mel Brooks)?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:23 (eighteen years ago) link

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35. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Tobe Hooper, 1974

Points: 73
Total Votes: 9
First Place Votes: 0

s1ocki: texas chainsaw massacre (the original) is truly one of the most horrifying films i have ever seen!

chaki: texas chainsaw massacre is great. it makes you feel so hot and sweaty and dirty and hillbilly

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:24 (eighteen years ago) link

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34. Cabaret

Bob Fosse, 1972

Points: 74
Total Votes: 6
First Place Votes: 0

anthony: A movie that i am rewatchig for the umpteenth time and realizng how economical its stagig and acting is , underplyed where it needs to be and overplayed when it needs to be , symbolic , shimmering , writhing and decadent , perhaps the best american movie to come out of the fabled auter driven 70s ?

Jonnie: I quite like the film but Liza Minelli dances like a duck.

Dirty Vicar: . I greatly admire its inventiveness and the way scenes are posed and shot. Am I right in thinking that some of the crowd scenes in the cabaret place are meant to look like actual paintings of the period?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:29 (eighteen years ago) link

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33. Young Frankenstein
Mel Brooks, 1974

Points: 82
Total Votes: 7
First Place Votes: 1

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:36 (eighteen years ago) link

My comment: I hate Young Frankenstein. It's beautifully shot, I can certainly see the artistic value in it, but the humor doesn't jive with me at all. The timing seems wrong, I'm sure it's paced that way on purpose, but I find myself stabbing my eyes out. And Frankenstein's yelping/moaning hurts me.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:37 (eighteen years ago) link

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32. Last Tango in Paris
Bernardo Bertolucci, 1973

Points: 84
Total Votes: 6
First Place Votes: 1

Nicole Graham: When I was 8, I first saw Last Tango In Paris on terrestrial TV. I thought, "What's the big deal? They're naked." Sneak-watching my first porn flick (at 11) had greater impact, though I wasn't sure why at the time.

Reed Moore: I'm recalling the scene where Maria Schneider tells Brando he's self-centered and that he doesn't take an interest in the details of her life. And he's on that ladder, and then he climbs down, and he places his harmonica on her head, and then he goes into the other room. And Maria masturbates, while he breaks down and cries. Recalling this scene, right now, I am bawling like a baby. Brando was incredible. THE BEST. I know, apres his death, us cinemaphiles are probably sick of the hosannas and so forth. But make no mistake, this man was incredible.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:45 (eighteen years ago) link

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31. Harold & Maude

Hal Ashby, 1971

Points: 89
Total Votes: 8
First Place Votes: 0

Comments ?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link

COMMENT BY RICH GIN: I am proud that my mom gave me this move when I was 12 and didn't have to wait a decade for the Anderson revivalists to take it over

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:51 (eighteen years ago) link

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30. Alien
Ridley Scott, 1979

Points: 89
Total Votes: 10
First Place Votes: 0

Lee G: I love the first movie above all, and am looking forward to seeing in on the big screen again after years of small-screen reruns. Having gotten the DVD last year, I was shocked to be reminded a) how great and imaginative it looks, still, retro computer interfaces notwithstanding, and b) that there is acutal stuff visible in the dark spots of the murked-out versions you get on cable. That said, Ridley Scott is not exactly a master storyteller or extravagant shooter, so I have a hard time imagining what "extra footage" he's gonna insert that hasn't already shown up on the DVD--extra footage, I might add, that I think he was right to leave out.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

quiet here tonight, I'll be back tomorrow with 29-20, and the rest over the weekend.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

"In space, no onecan hear you snore."

I'm intrigued by the "timing" complaint on YF, Jeff. Too slow? It's classic Jewish humor/vaudeville timing. Have you only seen it at home -- I'm thinking the spaces left for the audience to laugh bothers you? Also, Peter Boyle's perf is probably the most touching in Brooks' oeuvre (not to mention his priceless takes in the Hackman scene).

Brndo's great, but Play It Again Sam is far less sexist than Last Tango in Paris.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 September 2005 12:17 (eighteen years ago) link

My comment: I hate Young Frankenstein.

B-b-but, "Puttin' on the Ritz"!

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 9 September 2005 12:31 (eighteen years ago) link

It's classic Jewish humor/vaudeville timing.

That makes a lot of sense, so I'd just chalk it up to my strange taste. I don't like many comedies in general, and most of the ones I do are from the 90s. I do like the look though, I'd watch it with the sound off any time.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link

There were comedies in the '90s?

The look is from the James Whale '30s Frankensteins, which are better choices for being watched with the sound off (not that their dialogue is bad -- well, cept for Colin Clive's).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 September 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Office Space!

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 9 September 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

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29. Network
Sidney Lumet, 1976

Points: 90
Total Votes: 7
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 03:35 (eighteen years ago) link

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28. The French Connection
William Friedkin, 1971

Points: 90
Total Votes: 8
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 03:40 (eighteen years ago) link

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27. Ali: Fear Eats the Soul

Rainer Werner Fassbinder, 1974

Points: 90
Total Votes: 8
First Place Votes: 1

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 03:56 (eighteen years ago) link

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26. Willy Wonka & the Chocolate Factory
Mel Stuart, 1971

Points: 92
Total Votes: 9
First Place Votes: 1

Jimmy the Mod: Odd how a movie with GENE WILDER from 1971 can out-dark Tim Burton.

Nikwakwa Hoogenterf: I truly believe that the Oompa Loompas are the greatest creation ever made by the movie industry, that the Oompas should be worshiped daily, and what the heck, i think they deserve there own holiday... Oompas are the bases of all that is good.. ROCK ON OOMPAS!!!!

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 03:57 (eighteen years ago) link

willy wonka is very charming but doesnt have a single good song in it

don't be jerk, this is china (FE7), Saturday, 10 September 2005 11:22 (eighteen years ago) link

The Oopma Loompa song's good, the one about the magic ticket ain't bad. But yeah, it's kind of hilarious how bad most of the songs are, a lot of the time it just feels like they're making the actors make the songs up as they go along.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 10 September 2005 11:27 (eighteen years ago) link

In defence of Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory vs Charlie & The Chocolate Factory the other day, I think I said that Wilder's performance is my favourite of all time, by anyone. That could be an exaggeration, but it wouldn't be far off. It's simply....exquisite. Every other aspect of Burton's movie may be better, but he could never improve on the original because of this.

Ally C (Ally C), Saturday, 10 September 2005 12:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I am sort of angry at "Charlie & The Chocolate Factory" precisely *because* it betters quite a lot from the original movie (the songs, the squirrels.) Like, I think the original is faulted enough that the new one might in the long term become the more popular/well known one, which I really wouldn't want to happen, because yeah, Gene Wilder. It's like, when a movie isn't all that great, but has elements in it that are just beyond awesome, I think it's not very sportsmanslike to try to remake it.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 10 September 2005 13:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Prediction on the remaining 25 (I won't worry about order):
The two Godfathers, The Conversation, Apocalypse Now, Nashville, The Long Goodbye, Taxi Driver, Mean Streets, A Clockwork Orange, Jaws, The Marriage of Maria Braun, In a Year of 13 Moons, Manhattan, Annie Hall, Aguirre: The Wrath of God, American Graffiti, Star Wars, Chinatown, Animal House, Performance, Dog Day Afternoon, Badlands...and then I start to draw a blank. Maybe the White Lightning/Gator/Smokey and the Bandit trilogy will fill out the remaining three spots.

merritt ranew (merritt), Saturday, 10 September 2005 13:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Those are good guesses.

I forgot to vote for The Long Goodbye!

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 10 September 2005 14:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Every other aspect of Burton's movie may be better

There is not one single aspect of Charlie that improves on Willie. If anything there are several major missteps that make it a pale shadow of the original.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 10 September 2005 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

i love the long goodbye!

seriously, onna smokey tip, the commentary to cannonball run has to be heard to be believed...

stevie (stevie), Saturday, 10 September 2005 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I know that The Long Goodbye was set in a differnt era than the Chandler books, but I have such an attachment to Marlowe from the books, I just didn't thing Gould nailed the role. Humphrey Bogart was the best Marlowe I've seen on film.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

hey! I've got a poll to continue.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

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25. A Woman Under the Influence

John Cassavetes, 1974

Points: 106
Total Votes: 7
First Place Votes: 0

nathalie: A film about relationships, the inability to express emotions, sufficating in suburbia, feminism, working class, the US,... Gloria is also pretty good, but WutI just blew me away.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Peter Faulk may be my favorite actor ever, and I'm unreasonably attracted to Gena Rowlands in this role.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

xxpost

Jeff, I'm sorry. The correct answer is Robert Mitchum.

Our third place contestants will receive Rice-a-Roni.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, I am sad for Cassavetes. That movie is way better than #25. I had it at #2.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I quite like All the President's Men

really? despite its unbelievable sexism?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

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24. Mean Streets

Martin Scorsese, 1973

Points: 106
Total Votes: 10
First Place Votes: 0

Peter Scholtes: Personal filmmaking, urban filmmaking, Italian-American filmmaking, action filmmaking, and musical filmmaking, all turned up to 11.

s1ocki: mean streets is a harvey keitel movie and goodfellas is not, thus there is absolutely no basis for comparison

mark s: mean streets is still scorsese's best movie by far ("the rest is bullshit and you know it!")

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

as much as I love Bob in the Big Sleep, there is just no comparisome to Bogart. It's a time and place thing for me.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

really? despite its unbelievable sexism?

*rubs eyes*

What?

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Whoops, I meant farewell.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Fair enough. Mind if I eat the Rice-a-Roni myself? I'm hungry.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

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23. Badlands
Terrence Malick, 1973

Points: 107
Total Votes: 9
First Place Votes: 0

jed_: Badlands is *FUNNY*. I watched it on TV tonight and the voiceover had me cracking up several times.

Gypsy Mothra: Badlands gets away with its poetry -- visual and otherwise -- because its poetry seems somehow less affected. (And it gets help from Sheen and Spacek that the other movies don't get from Gere and Caveziel. Thin Red Line is partly ruined for me from its opening portentous voiceover.)

anthony: I think it was intended to be a comment on how tennous a paradise created by violenceis , how it can be destroyed by violence . In this way , with its innocent Sissy SPacek and the Cruel father , it becomes an almost oepedial gloss on revoluitonary politics.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm a litte surprised that Farewell, My Lovely didn't get more love in this poll.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, me too. I'm surprised I didn't vote for it. ILX 70's Poll part II: The Forgotten ones.

xpost: Hoo-fucking-ray for that movie. And Hooray for Sissy Spacek.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

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22. McCabe and Mrs. Miller

Robert Altman, 1971

Points: 109
Total Votes: 10
First Place Votes: 0

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I know that The Long Goodbye was set in a differnt era than the Chandler books, but I have such an attachment to Marlowe from the books, I just didn't thing Gould nailed the role.

ah, i came to the movie a Chandler novice, so just appreciated Gould's laconically charismatic turn for what it was...

stevie (stevie), Saturday, 10 September 2005 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

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21. A Clockwork Orange
Stanley Kubrick, 1972

Points: 113
Total Votes: 10
First Place Votes: 2

Tracer Hand: I watched "Clockwork Orange" with my skateboarding friends about 3,479,089 times in high school.

Sterling Clover: penetrating and harrowing examination of violence and the reprecussions of its suppression.

nathalie: Clockwork Orange is also about violence. But also how wrong it is to completely erase it. That the governement is playing with a life. You can't just take things away from said person unless you destroy him completely. I think it's a... very interesting movie. Although I don't really agree with some of the points - it feels as though Kubrick approves of violence - I do think it makes some valid points So I guess both films are more or less about the same thing (violence).

Pete: A Clockwork Orange is a film about violence but also about being a voyeur to violence and our responses to it. The excitement in the film is initially watching the violence of Alex, and then the violence of the State (ie us) against Alex. Are we excited by the rape scene, are we excited by the conditioning against him Is this what happens when we punish someone, is this why society punishes / rehabilitates via aversion therapy.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

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20. Eraserhead

David Lynch, 1977

Points: 113
Total Votes: 11
First Place Votes: 0

K-reg: on Eraserhead gave sound designers a whole new box of tricks. His editing and use of sound create almost visual poetry, playing with silence and darkness, it's refined the grammar of cinema, in my opinion.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 17:11 (eighteen years ago) link

and next is the one you have all been waiting for.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

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19. Star Wars
George Lucas, 1977

Points: 114
Total Votes: 7
First Place Votes: 2

Pete Scholtes: I was 8 years old when it came out, and it's the greatest 8-year-old-boy movie ever made. But my adult self still think Star Wars is damn funny. The overblown size and mercilessness of the Empire coming up against a few mystics and rebels, and stumbling--it's like a slapstick satire of militarism. The rebels are just joy-riders, really. They let computer-brains do the heavy lifting, and place as much emphasis on spiritual oneness as on bravery. It's as if hippies had replaced the Viet Cong.

The opening shot of the spaceships passing overhead, a satiric homage to Kubrick's similar shot in 2001: A Space Odyssey, goes on much longer, and is much faster and more visually exciting. The mechanics of how the ships are operated couldn't be more different from Star Trek, and yet it's the only other myth-franchise where I care.

I don't get the Star Wars haters. The dialogue is dumb-immortal in the same way Casablanca's is, and the rip-off from other films are inspired. Han Solo is fucking classic. And I love the junkiness of the Millenium Falcon; the fact that Chewie seems about to kill everybody; Solo trying to convince the guy on the radio that there's nothing going on in the Death Star cell block; the fact that it's called the Death Star (nice PR job!); the way all the action within the Death Star turns out to be just a ruse to let the Empire track the Falcon to the rebels (is Darth Vader controling everything psychically, or what?). I imagine a scenario in which these guys squat in the Death Star for months, stealing food from the cafeteria to survive. This movie is just fun to think about, though I haven't for years...


Jimmy the Mod: We'd better be counting the original version and not the cheapened, showy, Jabba-steppping-Han-Shoots-First version.

Justyn Dillingham: Even if it does get more undeserved attention than any other movie on this list, Star Wars is a more subtle film than most people remember, managing to suggest an enormous, awe-inspiring backstory - references to the "Clone Wars," Darth Vader's past, et al - in one quiet scene of exposition, with Alec Guinness bringing all of his considerable dignity to the role of Ben Kenobi. Unfortunately, Lucas has no faith in the imagination of his audience; hence his decision to waste nine more hours on a near-worthless second trilogy which told us nothing worth knowing that we couldn't have surmised from the first one. While its genuine quality as a film will always be overshadowed by what followed, Star Wars remains a pretty riveting experience, more eloquently and powerfully filmed than almost any blockbuster action film since.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I had to search for the VHS cover to find one with out the stupid episode IV a new hope on it.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

MOREPLZ.. these lists are the best thing evah.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Sunday, 11 September 2005 02:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Man, I can't believe Network was so low. I thought it was a shoe-in for the top ten.

Mike O. (Mike Ouderkirk), Sunday, 11 September 2005 05:04 (eighteen years ago) link

I had to search for the VHS cover to find one with out the stupid episode IV a new hope on it.

I for one appreciate this effort, Jeff. Once and once only I had an argument with someone MY OWN AGE who maintained that Star Wars had always been called "A New Hope", and I couldn't convince them of the truth. After that I decided I had better things to do with my time than argue over things like that.

It's interesting to me that the seventies films that made the biggest impression on me are not the ones that are currently available on lovely remastered DVDs, but the ones they used to show late at night on Channel Four when it first started and telly started to carry on past midnight. There was a golden period before The Hitman and Her-style rubbish when late night babysitting meant watching something like Badlands or Freebie and the Bean at two in the morning.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 11 September 2005 10:22 (eighteen years ago) link

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18. Dawn of the Dead

George A. Romero, 1979

Points: 114
Total Votes: 11
First Place Votes: 1

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link

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17. News From Home

Chantal Akerman, 1977

Points: 118
Total Votes: 7
First Place Votes: 1

Comments?

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

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16. Dog Day Afternoon
Sidney Lumet, 1975

Points: 118
Total Votes: 9
First Place Votes: 0

57 7th: Pacino in Dog Day Afternoon= BEST PERFORMANCE EVER

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 16:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Pete Scholtes: How many more great movies would Pacino and John Cazale (Michael and Fredo Corleone) have made together if Cazale hadn't died of bone cancer? Both are so good in Dog Day Afternoon that it doesn't even occur to you that it's the same two actors doing their dance as in The Godfather.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes! Dawn of the Dead beating Star Wars makes this poll worthwhile!

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 11 September 2005 16:18 (eighteen years ago) link

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15. In A Year of 13 Moons

Rainer Werner Fassbinder, 1978

Points: 118
Total Votes: 9
First Place Votes: 1

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Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link

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14. Jaws
Steven Spielberg, 1975

Points: 119
Total Votes: 10
First Place Votes: 0

Pete Scholtes: Jaws gets a bad rap for inaugerating the blockbuster, but come on, it's so much better than the films it supposedly killed off. Besides being the finest use of John Williams, it's unsentimental about kids, suspicious of authority, mocking of machismo, and drawn to the visceral appeal of boats and the ocean. Oh, and it's really scary.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

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13. The Long Goodbye
Robert Altman, 1973

Points: 122
Total Votes: 12
First Place Votes: 0

Nordicskillz: I love the Long Goodbye. Especially for those weird yoga girls that live next door to him. Plus it's the best film to start with a man buying cat food ever.

Theodore Fogelsanger: "The Long Goodbye." Robert Altman's 1970's take on Raymond Chandler is all sorts of messy fun. Elliot Gould, in the best performance of his I've ever seen, is detective Phillip Marlowe. I saw this a few years ago and it didn't leave much of an impression on me except seeming a bit too self conciously cynical but I'm very glad to have had a second viewing.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 16:48 (eighteen years ago) link

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12. Manhattan
Woody Allen, 1979

Points: 129
Total Votes: 13
First Place Votes: 1

Pete Scholtes: It's darker than you remember, maybe, and predicts some of Allen's downfalls. But, man, is Muriel Hemmingway good.

Jimmy the Mod: a sign of things to come in the personal life of WA and his last great film (Crimes and Misdemeanors is BORING. ADMIT IT)

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

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11. F For Fake
Orson Welles, 1973

Points: 131
Total Votes: 9
First Place Votes: 2

Geoff: I'm watching F for Fake right now. it's really great, slurry and embarrassing and overcooked, and the art = lying conceit, well: no shit. i can't for the life of me imagine what the original venue or reception of this was supposed to be! it's like welles said: "i will make a shitty documentary that will blow minds when broadcast on the late night television of a compressed and unhappy future" it feels like it's been on for six hours; i could watch it for another twelve.

Kenan: I saw F for Fake for the first time last week, and I'm still thinking about it. The way it's edited is so goddamn brilliant. I keep remebering the sequence when the painter is denying that he ever signed a painting, and instead of just cutting to the biographer saying that he did, he lets the camera sit for a long moment on the biographers expression, purse-lipped, not even wanting to comment on a fact so obvious. "Of course they were signed."

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link

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10. Female Trouble
John Waters, 1974

Points: 132
Total Votes: 10
First Place Votes: 1

Arthur: Female Trouble covers the same ground as Natural Born Killers, only it's a million times better and it came out twenty years earlier.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link

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9. Nashville
Robert Altman, 1975

Points: 198
Total Votes: 13
First Place Votes: 2

eddie hurt: I grew up in Nashville, and people here hate the film, which only proves its power as a commentary on what this town has always been--and just in the last few years has the city become self-conscious enough to see how the movie is about politics, not music. There's talk afoot of doing a 30th-anniv. thing about the movie, with the usual panel discussions, etc. As a look at the California-ization of Nashville, it fits perfectly into Altman's other work, too, and there are lots of transplanted Californians and New Yorkers here now who get the movie, too. It's lost a bit of its power for me over the years--I prefer Altman's Chandler film to "Nashville" these days--but it's still pretty great.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

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8. Chinatown
Roman Polanski, 1974

Points: 225
Total Votes: 16
First Place Votes: 3

Absolute Skittles: Truth is: "Chinatown" is a proud member of my DVD family, but I made the mistake of reading the script before I saw the film, and there were too many snappy lil' one-liners and comebacks that were totally left out. In the opening scene with Curly (script), after Curly mentions to Jake that he thinks he'll ice his cheatin' wife, I kinda liked how Jake said something to the effect of, "you dumb son-of-a-bitch, you think you got that kinda class? That kinda DOUGH? You gotta be rich to kill anybody in this town". Polanski probably felt it was TOO on-the-nose, though... the foreshadowing way too obvious.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

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7. The Conversation
Francis Ford Coppola, 1974

Points: 227
Total Votes: 14
First Place Votes: 0

Jedidiah: “An underrated gem from Coppola, the greatest director of the 70s”

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link

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5. Apocalypse Now
Francis Ford Coppola, 1979

Points: 235
Total Votes: 18
First Place Votes: 2

Pete Scholtes: America didn't get lost in the jungle, Francis; we bombed the jungle.

Jimmy the Mod: Overlong w/o restoration; indulgent and nowhere NEAR his best work. But Duvall steals the show as Comic Book Hero and infinetly quotable Kilgore. This war's gonna end someday.

Justyn Dillingham: I often feel like the only person on Earth who likes Brando's performance in this film. It's ridiculous, sure, but I can't think of another way to end it, can you?

Jedidiah: Coppola's fourth masterpiece in a row, and his last truly great film. Who cares if half of the lines have become a part of pop culture? It's well deserved.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Ridiculous??? Duval the best character???

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

and fuck a reduxe

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

and Apocaplyse is 6, not 5, sorry.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

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4. The Godfather
Francis Ford Coppola, 1972

Points: 244
Total Votes: 15
First Place Votes: 3

Jimmy the Mod: Only narrowly bested by Annie Hall in ways that I can't really quantify. Classic if only for the cinematography of Gordon Willis -- daring and groundbraking even to this day.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

dammit, the godfather is 5. I'm losing it.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Pete Scholtes: The Godfather's flaws are those of its deeply conflicted audience. The family is evil, but we want in. We know our leaders kill in cold blood, but isn't that the price of security? Like Apocalypse Now, the movie is about steeling yourself past the point of no return. But Coppola steels himself, too. He stacks the moral deck in favor of conformism: Michael doesn't accidentally kill an innocent bystander at the restaurant, for example. And the rival family is so bad, you find yourself thinking Carlo gets what he deserves.

Maybe the second film colors the first, so that I can enjoy The Godfather's look and pace without guilt, the changing seasons and period details, the performances (even the minor ones), the reliance on narrative, the father-son tragedy, and all the great lines. "They're animals, anyway, so let them lose their souls."

The Godfather is the opposite of Lawrence of Arabia, which sent its mystery of a character through incomprehensible world history, and didn't make sense of either. The Godfather indulges in everything that made it the defining Rated R movie, but Pacino's Michael is more modern than its sex and violence. He's probably the most realized monster in movies.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link

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4. Aguirre: The Wrath of God
Werner Herzog, 1973

Points: 262
Total Votes: 19
First Place Votes: 1

Jed_: I just saw Aguirre and it's insane. watching it made me hate all those widescreen pretty-beautiful epics that are ten a penny. it's so fucking real-looking. anthony minghella please watch a Herzong film then give up or kill yourself. obviously Aguirre is astonishing to look at but makes you realise, to an extent, that most films are just cinematography and lightning with actual direction and vision and depth waaaaaaay down the list. films are too beautiful now. all surface no feeling.

Jeff-PTTL: Where to begin? I find it almost impossible to talk about my favorite film of all time. The opening shot just kills me everytime, it's the start of a constant barrage of goosebumps that don't end untill Kinski is surrounded by monkeys.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

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3. The Godfather, Part II
Francis Ford Coppola, 1974

Points: 285
Total Votes: 19
First Place Votes: 2

Pete Scholtes: The Fredo drama and the Cuban sequences redeem the lackluster killings, the romanticized De Niro Corleone, and one very shaky plot point: What exactly is Fredo's complicity in the attempt on Michael's life? Did he tell his enemies what bedroom Michael was sleeping in? Open the gate to let the gunmen in? What?

Jimmy the Mod: overlong but an appropriate end to the saga, III notwithsanding.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

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2. Annie Hall
Woody Allen, 1977

Points: 316
Total Votes: 22
First Place Votes: 3

Pete Scholtes: I don't even want to use the phrase "romantic comedy." This is best comedy about love that I can think of. How did Allen pull it off? By remembering a great relationship. By establishing right off that his view of his life is skewed. By recognizing his foibles (he's bigoted, pseudo-intellectual, snobbish, schtick-prone, mildly self-hating, and roundly and passively hostile). By still making you care about him, and by making his great love stand in for all relationships remembered with fondness. By going about it all with the playfulness of a filmmaker just discovering what he can do, and finding he's willing to try anything.

Jimmy the Mod: makes New York the most romantic place in the world, Diane Keaton an oddball ideal, and proves that Los Angeles really DOESN'T have anything going for it. Woody never got better.

Jedidiah: Woody Allen's greatest moment. He has been both funnier and more poignant, but never in the same film

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link

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1. Taxi Driver
Martin Scorsese, 1976

Points: 317
Total Votes: 22
First Place Votes: 1

Pete Scholtes: It's all about the long stare into that glass of Alcaseltzer.

DG: Right at the end, after Travis drops Cybil Shephard's character off, there's this odd moment where he catches himself in the mirror, and well, it's just odd. I've always taken it to mean everything from him being dumped up till then is just some bizarre power fantasy, which would explain how he gets off scot-free for the shootings. If this is correct, this would make the second half just a 'dream', and therefore a bit of a GCSE drama project ending - and therefore dud. But I could be wrong...

Jonathan: The strange ending only adds to it's uniqueness. Robert de Niro, Jodie Foster, Harvey Keitel and a sick cameo from Scorcese himself. What more could a boy want?

Michael G Breece: 'Taxi Driver': earnest portrayal (basically, based on the writer Schrader himself - is why it is earnest) of a loser/loner type in America. Sure, it goes far overboard at the end with the "cool anarchist mohawk" bullshit and the shoot-em-ups and all that jazz, but...it's a Hollywood type of thing. It should've been left to a more earnest ending, fitting to the realistic loner/loser portrayal built-up. In reality, that character (a frayed coward at hear) would have just stayed in his crappy little apartment more as he spent the rest of his time driving the taxi. Nothing less/nothing more than that, basically. Until some other little "hottie" turned his eye, then it would all go round and round again.

Joe: Actually, one of my favorite little moments in the movie is when the dispatcher asks Travis: "Education?" and Travis responds blankly, "Oh...some...here and there...", and then it cuts back to the dispatcher's reaction.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

~fin~

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

morbius = pwnd

don't be jerk, this is china (FE7), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

bravo...... although taxi driver at #1 makes me meh.

poortheatre (poortheatre), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks to Jeff for his work in putting this together. I thought there were some peculiar inclusions and omissions, but nothing that doesn't fall within the realm of idiosyncrasy. I guess the single most surprising omission to me is American Graffiti.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Sunday, 11 September 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Gee, too bad there weren't any more Coppola-directed '70s films to squeeze into the top 10.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 11 September 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

thank you jeff - have loved this thread.

foxy boxer (stevie), Sunday, 11 September 2005 20:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, thanks. Fun.

Who's doing the '60s?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 11 September 2005 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

102-266:
Sleeper
Chloe in the Afternoon
Master of the Flying Guillotine
Performance
Phantasm
Scanners
The Taking of Pelham One Two Three
Grease
La Grande Bouffe
Smile
Nosferatu
The Man Who Would Be King
Little Murders
The Creeping Flesh
Wise Blood
Spirit of the Beehive
Sweet Movie
The Optimists of Nine Elms
The Rocky Horror Picture Show
What's Up, Doc?
Slapshot
Ciao Manhattan
Phantom of Liberty
Catch-22
Duel
Quadrophenia
Two-Lane Blacktop
Chinese Roulette
Holy Mountain
House of Mortal Sin
Pocket Money
The War at Home
Saturday Night Fever
Buffet Froid
Fox and His Friends
Jonah, Who Will Be 25 In The Year 2000
La Maman et La Putain
Phantom of the Paradise
Radio On
Being There
200 Motels
Jeremiah Johnson
Lancelot Du Lac
Love on the Run
Millhouse
The Bad News Bears
The Hellstrom Chronicle
The Magic Flute
Tout Va Bien
Bananas
The Brood
Death Race 2000
Goin' Down the Road
The Adventures of Picasso
The Concert for Bangladesh
The Enigma of Kaspar Hauser
Weekend
National Lampoon's Animal House
The Jerk
3 Women
Hearts and Minds
Phase IV
The Chant Of Jimmy Blacksmith
Welfare
Xala
And Now For Something Completely Different
Capricorn One
Death Line
Magnificent Butcher
Murmur of The Heart
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Even Dwarfs Started Small
High Plains Drifter
Interiors
Lone Wolf and Cub: Baby Cart at the River Styx
Save The Tiger
Shaft
The Tin Drum
Who Is Harry Kellerman And Why Is He Saying Those Terrible Things About Me?
Animal House
36th Chamber of Shaolin
Assault on Precinct 13
Little Big Man
Live and Let Die
Satan's Brew
The Candidate
Tristana
Thieves Like Us
Dirty Harry
1900
American Boy
Bad News Bears
Blue Collar
Deep End
O Lucky Man!
All That Jazz
American Graffiti
Bedknobs and Broomsticks
Deep Red
Deliverance
Dersu Uzala
Enter The Dragon
Eskimo Nell
Killer of Sheep
Thunderbolt and Lightfoot
Marathon Man
The Man Who Fell To Earth
Detective Doberman
New One-Armed Swordsman
Sweeney!
The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes
The Omen
1941
Airport
Bugsy Malone
Jubilee
Night Moves
Sweet Sweetback's Badassssss Song
10 Rillington Place
Beneath the Planet of the Apes
Kings of the Road
Last Picture Show
Mad Max
Serpico
Straight Time
The Five Venoms
Turkish Delight
Two English Girls
Fist of Fury
House of Whipcord
Juggernaut
Kramer vs. Kramer
Prime Cut
Rocky
Silver Streak
The Bamboo House Of Dolls
The Spirit of the Beehive
Foxy Brown
Rollerball
Female Convict Scorpion Jailhouse 41
Killing of a Chinese Bookie
The China Syndrome
The Heartbreak Kid
The Longest Yard
Time After Time
Coffy
Halloween
Escape from Alcatraz
Junior Bonner
Marriage of Maria Braun
Mr. Majestyk
The Ballad of Cable Hogue
The Great Rock And Roll Swindle
Ulzana's Raid
Westworld
Brewster McCloud
Bed & Board
Charlotte's Web
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Norma Rae
Over the Edge
Shivers
The Hot Rock
The Marriage of Maria Braun
THX-1138

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link

and now I see my first mistake. I had the enigma and mystery of kaspar hauser as two different films. That would push it up to 64 between Close Encounters and Walkabout with 45 points and 4 overall votes. How could I cheat Werner like that????

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 11 September 2005 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link

just a warning in case people are about to rent/buy these: the DVD of Aguirre could use a lot of video improvements (it's faded and blurry, and the shots of it in My Best Fiend look a lot better) and the cheapo DVD of Annie Hall I have isn't so hot either, although I've heard there's an improved version out.

älänbänänä (alanbanana), Sunday, 11 September 2005 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link

As a matter of interest, The Spirit of the Beehive, The Marriage of Maria Braun, The Bad News Bears and Animal House are all listed twice in the runner-up list. The Last Picture Show is also listed. Should that not change its current place in the top 100?

, Monday, 12 September 2005 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

results may vary and appear closer than they appear in mirror.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 12 September 2005 10:52 (eighteen years ago) link

okay Last Picture show would move up to 72 between In the Realm of the Senses and Blazing Saddles. Or just ignore anything above the top fifty.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 12 September 2005 11:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I'd like to purrnt out that there are only one point of difference between #1 and #2.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 12 September 2005 11:51 (eighteen years ago) link

The lead character's haircut? I'd have said that I could spot one or two more differences than that, though obviously they are almost identical, yes...

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 12 September 2005 11:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, I meant their scores. (And since I'm here, I might say that Female Trouble is the most WTF top 10 in any of these polls so far, in a good way.)

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:17 (eighteen years ago) link

A Woman Under the Influence: I can go listen to my insane married friends fight anytime.

The Conversation is the Garret Anderson of '70s films: most overrated
"underrated."

How did News From Home sneak in there? I don't think I've even read about it.

Apocalypse Now would have a shot at being one of the 5 best films of the decade if Coppola cut it down to a short about Kilgore and the Air Cavalry titled "Charlie Don't Surf."

>morbius = pwnd<

Happily, I am still Luddite enough to have no fuckin idea what that means.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the idea of the overrated underrated, and I've used it myself--my template is Joe Rudi rather than Garrett Anderson, someone who seems genuinely overlooked to me, whereas Rudi got loads of publicity in the early '70s for a few doubles and a .264 lifetime average--but I don't think the tag can be hung on The Conversation. I was heartened to see it rank so high, but typically it still gets overshadowed by The Godfathers and Apocalypse Now, even though I think it's much better than Apocalypse, and, while not an epic like The Godfathers, it probably achieves something closer to perfection.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Monday, 12 September 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Heavy-handed Catholic guilt, bah. Plus you can't tell me he didn't use a DIFFERENT sound take for the last "He'd kill us if he had the chance." Cheating!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 September 2005 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Coppola did cheat, agreed. I think it can be justified, though, because when we hear the quote all the way through the film (until the very last time), we're hearing it through Harry's ears; it's an extremely subjective film. I think it makes for a thrilling reversal when we hear the words the way they're actually said for the first time. No thoughts on your Catholic guilt complaint, but I don't think the film's heavy-handed at all.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Monday, 12 September 2005 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks, Jeff, this has been a welcome distraction from New Orleans.

I was Gene Hackman from The Conversation a few years ago for Halloween, so I like it enough for that.

But I rented it a few days ago and my problem with it (once again) is that it just doesn't make sense (spoilers to follow): So the Harrison Ford character hired Hackman to record a conversation Ford knew was going to happen, and which the murderers knew was going to be overheard? Why not just record the conversation without Hackman?

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 12 September 2005 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

If you're not kidding, that might be the funniest Halloween costume I've ever heard of--excellent. Is there a store that specializes in anonymous gray raincoats?

I love the film so much, and get so caught up in it, I've never even stopped to ponder the logic. I guess I've always assumed that while Hackman is technically hired by Ford, it's with Duvall's knowledge; we hear Duvall say "You want it to be true" to Ford, which I take to mean that Ford initiated Hackman's hiring as a way to prove to Duvall that there's a plot against him, that Duvall approved the project, and that now they're sitting around weighing the evidence. I don't think Cindy Williams and Frederic Forrest were aware they were being taped. That would make Ford the really shadowy and unknowable figure--aligned with Duvall at the beginning, but keeping quiet and keeping his own proximity to the company's seat of power intact when the plot to kill the emperor succeeds and power is transferred.

I don't know, maybe that's wrong. But with The Conversation so steeped in the Watergate moment (accidentally; it's well known that Coppola wrote the script years earlier), I think a little mystery concerning the film's internal logic works well. The real-life parallel is why Nixon never burned the tapes, something that continues to puzzle everyone.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Monday, 12 September 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Just a follow-up thought. Beginning with the often cited question of how we know what Kane's last word is when no one else is in the room, I think you could probably uncover faulty, or at least questionable, points of logic in some of the greatest films ever made. If I like a film enough, I'm generally not bothered a great deal by these inconsistencies. I'm not saying they're unimportant--the question Pete Scholtes raises about The Conversation is a good one, central to the whole movie, and I'm still running it through my mind--but they're one part of something much larger and, hopefully, much richer.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Monday, 12 September 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I should have said "how the world knows what Kane's last word is," not how we know--we know because we're in the room with him. Duh.

Phil Dellio (j.j. hunsecker), Monday, 12 September 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Knawing curiosity: Would Animal House/National Lampoon's Animal House and The Bad News Bears/Bad News Bears have placed if the votes of each film were combined? I'm surprised neither made it.

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 12 September 2005 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Jimmy the Mod: We'd better be counting the original version and not the cheapened, showy, Jabba-steppping-Han-Shoots-First version.

You mean "Gredo-shoots-first," right? On a related note, I also notice that the Jaws swimmer's breasts are less visible on the DVD art than they were in the original 1975 poster. These things matter.

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 12 September 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, and in defense of Wonka hate: I'm with you on the Oompa Loompas, and even Gene Wilder's performance. But this is an evil movie, not just a dark one. The kids from The Bad News Bears would have/should have poured into the factory and kicked Wonka's ass.

I seem to remember Gene Wilder regreting that he made the film because it was "anti-child," but can't place the source...

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 12 September 2005 23:53 (eighteen years ago) link

Charlie in the original movie is an asshole. He ignores Wonka's advice just as much as the other kids; no reason why him and his grampa (and what a judgemental asshole THAT guy is, "Veruca finally got to go first", fuck off!) shouldn't have been punished for drinking that soda, since similiar actions resulted in a fucking *death sentence* for everyone else. Mostly Charlie gets by due to having no personality and never actively questioning anything (look how eagerly he signs Wonka's contract!)

But then, you know, "Looney Toons" is pretty fucked up, moralitywise, too (how many times does Bugs torture his foes in a manner of total overkill that isn't at all justified by the small infraction that they've made? That's without mentioning the times when it's entirely unprovoked), and I wouldn't want that erased from my childhood.

"Taxi Driver" is a good movie.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 00:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Why does Duvall still go to the hotel alone after hearing about the plot? And didn't the hotel report the seeping blood to the police? And how exactly is cindy williams' character related to Duvall: wife or daughter? ah well, i prefer it this way. answers aren't always revealed in real life, either... conversation is my favorite movie, by the way (tied with Husbands).

poortheatre (poortheatre), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 02:09 (eighteen years ago) link

No Grey Gardens?

Of course, I could have voted.

/opening Netflix queue

Lurky McLurk, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I like movies, I go see one or two a week (though most are mass releases and quickly forgotten), I try to read film criticism and theory and so on. But I've never had any desire to see either Godfather movie. Am I alone on that? There's something fundamentally unappealing about them, between the director, the canonization, the material.

They sound like utterly unremarkable films that have passed into greatness on qualities I can't ascertain.

Should I just break down and watch them?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:58 (eighteen years ago) link

"Looney Toons" is pretty fucked up, moralitywise, too (how many times does Bugs torture his foes in a manner of total overkill that isn't at all justified by the small infraction that they've made?

actually, bugs usually doesn't go after ppl without a good reason (i.e. they're trying to shoot him or dig up his home or posting "rabbit season" signs all over the place). chuck jones talked about this in his autobiography, how he wanted bugs to be more sympathetic/interesting than, say, woody woodpecker. of course, daffy's another story...

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 04:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Well yeah, that's what they *say*, but it isn't always true - often enough his opponent's infractions are minor compared to the hell they're then forced to go through because of him. I realise that just saying this doesn't help the discussion along, give me some time to dig through my box set and find concrete examples.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 08:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm actually in the exact same boat as you re: the godfather films, milo! but i have to watch the first one in my film class in a few weeks, so that'll be the end of my half-intentional boycott.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:01 (eighteen years ago) link

The third "Godfather" has the best quotes:

"My coat! My lucky coat!"

"This pope has powerful enemies!"

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I'll have a poll summary in a few days, with update results on one convienent page.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 10:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks for all your hard work Jeff!

jedidiah (jedidiah), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:47 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

OK, who was it who liked The Shout (96b)? It's showing at Lincoln Center at 4pm. Dave Kehr:

An airy allegory (from a Robert Graves story) held to earth by some scathing sexual passion. Alan Bates is the traveling madman who holds a composer (John Hurt) and his wife (Susannah York) in thrall. Sexuality triumphs over civilization through a series of small betrayals, each registered with appalling, pinpoint accuracy by Jerzy Skolimowski's camera. Though Skolimowski had backed off from his formal ambitions somewhat (he once seemed a real rival to Godard), this 1978 feature is shrewd, imaginative moviemaking, a trance thriller that beats Peter Weir on his own turf.

Your Favorite Saturday Night Thing (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 October 2009 16:15 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

^this is like the most noize board movie ever (maybe crossed w/ I LOVE CRICKET: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX: THE CHINATOWN OF ILX)

johnny crunch, Saturday, 9 April 2011 01:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I used to disagree with Dr. Morbius under my actual name; now I disagree with him under a fabricated one. The world has changed so much.

clemenza, Saturday, 9 April 2011 02:54 (thirteen years ago) link

three years pass...

has anyone seen Chilly Scenes of Winter ('79) by Joan Micklin Silver, aka Head Over Heels?

http://www.ifccenter.com/films/chilly-scenes-of-winter/

things lose meaning over time (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:16 (nine years ago) link

eight years pass...

A friend was telling me about this book--not sure if I knew about it or not.

https://academic.macmillan.com/academictrade/9781632868183/openingwednesdayatatheaterordriveinnearyou

Will definitely try to track down a copy at a decent price.

clemenza, Thursday, 12 January 2023 15:46 (one year ago) link

I was Gene Hackman from The Conversation a few years ago for Halloween, so I like it enough for that.
― Pete Scholtes, Monday, September 12,

Still the funniest Halloween costume I've ever heard of.

clemenza, Thursday, 12 January 2023 15:51 (one year ago) link


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