i love Larry Charles, that hippie. but the thing that makes Borat funny is putting him in real life situations right? thats why the Ali G movie sucked right?
― huell howser (chaki), Thursday, 14 July 2005 06:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Thursday, 14 July 2005 06:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― huell howser (chaki), Thursday, 14 July 2005 06:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― N_RQ, Thursday, 14 July 2005 07:58 (eighteen years ago) link
Borat fails to fool New Yorkers:
http://www.gothamist.com/archives/2005/07/11/innit_ali_g_for_real.php
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 July 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 14 July 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Sunday, 25 June 2006 11:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― Half loaf, half pompadour (noodle vague), Sunday, 25 June 2006 11:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― pleased to mitya (mitya), Sunday, 25 June 2006 12:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 25 June 2006 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jena (JenaP), Sunday, 25 June 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 25 June 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Half loaf, half pompadour (noodle vague), Sunday, 25 June 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link
i seriously can.not.wait. for this.
― something less threatening (heywood), Monday, 26 June 2006 00:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 26 June 2006 00:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― business up front, party entrance at side door (mike h.), Monday, 26 June 2006 02:15 (seventeen years ago) link
Imagine if he'd directed the Ali G movie! Like, credulously!
― literalisp (literalisp), Monday, 26 June 2006 23:07 (seventeen years ago) link
http://blogs.citypages.com/pscholtes/2003/08/26/
― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― S- (sgh), Thursday, 29 June 2006 01:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Saturday, 5 August 2006 03:35 (seventeen years ago) link
where is the trailer milo?
― =[[ (eman), Saturday, 5 August 2006 03:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Saturday, 5 August 2006 03:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 5 August 2006 03:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― =[[ (eman), Saturday, 5 August 2006 03:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― =[[ (eman), Saturday, 5 August 2006 03:56 (seventeen years ago) link
Equal-Opportunity Offender Plays Anti-Semitism for Laughs By SHARON WAXMAN
LOS ANGELES, Sept. 6 — Fall is traditionally when Hollywood turns to more serious films, and the Toronto International Film Festival is where they are frequently shown. But a new movie that seems certain to raise hackles and induce squirming is a raucous comedy that makes its points by seeming to embrace sexism, racism, homophobia and that most risky of social toxins: anti-Semitism.
Screening at midnight on Thursday in Toronto, “Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan” stars the chameleonlike comedian Sacha Baron Cohen as he impersonates a Kazakh reporter touring the United States, bringing his version of Kazakh culture to real-life Americans.
In one scene Borat insists on driving to California rather than flying, “in case the Jews repeat their attack of 9/11.” As he tours the South, he becomes terrified when he learns that an elderly couple who run an inn are Jewish. When cockroaches crawl under the door of his room, he becomes convinced the innkeepers have transformed themselves into bugs, and throws money at them.
In another scene Borat returns to his home village and participates in an annual ritual, “The Running of the Jews,” complete with giant Jew puppets that the villagers beat with clubs.
This anti-anti-Semitic humor is mixed in with other outrageous behavior, including slurs against Gypsies and gays, and a nude wrestling match. But in a world in which resurgent anti-Semitism has become — sometimes literally — an explosive topic, the movie may well hit a particular nerve, especially in Europe.
The British-born Mr. Baron Cohen, who calls himself an observant Jew, has performed this same high-wire comedy act for his HBO series, “Da Ali G Show,” in which he plays three characters, including Borat, each hilariously offensive in its own right.
The title character of the show, Ali G, is a vaguely Muslim British idiot with a hip-hop persona, who was the subject of a rather tame, and unsuccessful, film in 2002, “Ali G Indahouse,” released straight to video in the United States.
With “Borat,” Mr. Baron Cohen — who shares screenplay credit with several others — decided to head straight for the most sensitive areas of politically incorrect global culture, and for the first time will be doing so for a mass audience, far beyond the sophisticated niche of HBO. The film is to be released by 20th Century Fox on Nov. 3 on more than 2,000 screens nationwide.
(Borat is not explicitly Muslim, but Kazakhstan has a large Sunni Muslim population along with a sizable contingent of Orthodox Christians.)
Mr. Baron Cohen, who is appearing in Toronto as Borat, declined to be interviewed for this article and will be conducting interviews ahead of the film only in character.
20th Century Fox also declined to comment for this article or otherwise participate. Executives at the studio said that they were concerned about overemphasizing the political aspects of the humor, or otherwise labeling the movie, which they said they hoped would have broad appeal to a young audience.
The film is experimental and highly unusual for Hollywood, in some ways reminiscent of the guerrilla humor of Andy Kaufman, who baited members of the unsuspecting public with his characters, or the buffoonery of Charlie Chaplin as a Hitler-esque tyrant in “The Great Dictator” in 1940.
Film historians said that Hollywood was usually reluctant to take on controversy in general and had particularly avoided treating anti-Semitism in the past.
“Hollywood has a history of avoiding controversial topics, and notably did so at the end of the 1930’s, with the rise of Nazism and anti-Semitism,” said Jonathan Kuntz, who teaches American film history at the University of California, Los Angeles. Studios “were afraid of offending audiences, and of limiting their popularity in the European market,” he added. “And because so many moguls were Jewish, they were afraid this would be used to attack Hollywood as anti-Nazi.”
Today too Hollywood is often reluctant openly to discuss anti-Semitism, as was evidenced by the careful debate over Mel Gibson’s 2004 blockbuster, “The Passion of the Christ.” Only when Mr. Gibson was heard making anti-Jewish slurs this summer during a drunken-driving arrest did a few Hollywood veterans speak out against him.
“Borat” was to some extent made outside the Hollywood system. Fox kept the film off its production list and created a separate company, One America, to be the nominal producer. Mr. Baron Cohen also ran into creative differences with his first director, Todd Phillips, who left the production last year, while the film shut down for five months. The veteran comedy director Larry Charles eventually completed the film.
A spokesman for Mr. Baron Cohen said that Mr. Phillips’s departure was “a mutual decision.”
During the shoot Fox ignored numerous protests from the Kazakh Embassy in Washington, whose officials were concerned about the depiction of their country as prejudiced.
Early indications are that the film will be a hit. It rocked audiences with laughter at the Cannes Film Festival, where Mr. Baron Cohen was photographed on the beach wearing a neon-green kind of thong, and won an audience award at Michael Moore’s Traverse City Film Festival in Michigan this summer.
Still, “I can almost guarantee you that not everyone will get the joke,” said Richard B. Jewell, a professor of film history at the University of Southern California. But he added: “In my opinion it’s a very healthy thing. Some of best films that have been made in the last 50 years have been black comedies.” He cited “Dr. Strangelove,” which poked fun at nuclear holocaust.
“What can be more serious?” he asked. “It makes people think about these things in ways they don’t when there are more straightforward, serious, sober films.”
Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2006 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 7 September 2006 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link
hahahahahaha
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 7 September 2006 20:44 (seventeen years ago) link
after reading that in the times i was wondering what the kind of part could mean, now that i see the picture...
i'm amped for this, so so amped.
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 7 September 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link
My sister is already going crazy for it. Wouldn't stop talking about it this past weekend (and I don't blame her).
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 7 September 2006 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link
hahahahahahahah again
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 7 September 2006 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 7 September 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 7 September 2006 23:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 7 September 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link
rofl
― señor citizen (eman), Thursday, 7 September 2006 23:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― señor citizen (eman), Thursday, 7 September 2006 23:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 8 September 2006 05:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 8 September 2006 10:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 8 September 2006 11:34 (seventeen years ago) link
http://thedailytransom.observer.com/2006/09/toronto-film-festival-borat-breakdown-total-freakout.html
http://www.chortle.co.uk/news/sept06/borat089903.php
But after about an hour of chaos, it became evident that the film would have to be abandoned. As Borat, Baron Cohen told one festival organiser: ‘If you don't give these people money back, I crush you.’
...Before the fiasco, all was looking well. Up to 1,000 fans had filled the Toronto streets chanting ‘Bo-rat’ and waving Kazakh flags, while the character strode down the red carpet accompanied by a horse and cart and women dressed as peasants.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Friday, 8 September 2006 12:46 (seventeen years ago) link
The show had long been sold out, and many rush-seat hopefuls went home unhappy, and one desperate fan trolled the line on Gerrard St., offering $80 for a single ticket - four times the regular price. There were no apparent takers.
http://www.thestar.com/images/thestar/img/060908_baron_cohen_300.jpg
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 8 September 2006 13:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― señor citizen (eman), Friday, 8 September 2006 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― like murderinging (modestmickey), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― like murderinging (modestmickey), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― like murderinging (modestmickey), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― a rapper singing about hos and bitches and money (Enrique), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link
You mean "Not that I'll be able to actually go to a movie theater to see it."
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 8 September 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 8 September 2006 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― something less threatening (heywood), Friday, 8 September 2006 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link
oh thank god.
― gbx (skowly), Friday, 8 September 2006 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link
Somehow I think his retiring Borat is part of the plan. (Letterman has never been funnier than when he'd go out on the streets of Manhattan in '82 w/ hidden camera and ask "What's in that bag? I'm Mr. Curious" and get ppl rushing away from him.)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2006 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― like murderinging (modestmickey), Friday, 8 September 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Friday, 8 September 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link
[...]
Cohen's representatives refused to allow him or his alter ego to respond to the controversy because it's not close enough to the film's release date.
hahahahah between all these great quotes and the "anti-Borat hard-liners" phrase, somebody had fun writing this.
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― señor citizen (eman), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link
I definitely remember seeing this in the times and thinking wtf!? Why is their an ad from the government of Kazakhstan? I totally didn't put it together.
― g00blar (gooblar), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dreaming of People With Black Eyes,Dressed In Black (jergins), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 21:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― S- (sgh), Thursday, 14 September 2006 01:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Thursday, 14 September 2006 01:37 (seventeen years ago) link
C+C Music Manufacturing Plant!
There was another fave music listing that cracked me up but I forget and it's not there any more.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 14 September 2006 01:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link
God, worse case scenario, like if our President threatens Borat or something, he can just come out and say "OK, I lie, I am not from Khazakhstan but neighboring Turkazikmenia" or something. It'd hardly matter.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:34 (seventeen years ago) link
S.B.C. is one of the best-looking clowns in eons. I'm glad Ali G always kept his legs open while interviewing.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 September 2006 13:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Thursday, 14 September 2006 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― señor citizen (eman), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― señor citizen (eman), Thursday, 14 September 2006 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link
Anyway, on of the topics that appeared to be contained in the magazine was a 'Best & Worst Dressed' list. On the cover were the usual waify trollops, but also this:http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news_img/3393/3393.jpg
Perhaps I should see what they say.
― S- (sgh), Friday, 15 September 2006 05:01 (seventeen years ago) link
woo hoo, coming to portland!
oh yeah, and in regards to the talks with dubya thing, what's this about the kazakh oil fields being on the level of certain middle east countries?
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 16 September 2006 06:45 (seventeen years ago) link
vid of Borat's response to the Kazakh lawsuit against him
"...and cleanest prostitutes in all of Central Asia!"
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 16 September 2006 08:40 (seventeen years ago) link
http://myspace-434.vo.llnwd.net/01168/43/49/1168299434_l.jpgTHIS SCREENING ISFREE! YOUR PROFILE IS YOUR TICKET!
MYSPACE.COM PRESENTSTHE BLACK CARPET SCREENINGof BORATCultural Learnings of America forMake Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
September 20th, 200625 CITIES, 6 COUNTRIES, 1 NIGHT, 1 BORAT!Berlin, GER - Dublin, IRL - London, GB - Sydney, AUS - Toronto, CAAtlanta, GA - Austin, TX - Boston, MA - Cleveland, OH - Chicago, ILDallas, TX - Denver, CO - Kansas City, MO - Los Angeles, CAMiami, FL - Minneapolis, MN - Nashville, TN - New York, NYPhiladelphia, PA - Phoenix, AZ - Portland, OR - San Diego, CASan Francisco, CA - Sacramento, CA - Washington DC
ALERT: BORAT HIMSELF WILL ATTEND ONE OF THE BLACK CARPET SCREENINGS!!!That's right, the man himself will appear at one of the 25 screenings around the world to greet his dedicated fans!Which screening? We're sworn to secrecy! You'll have to show up to find out which one!NOT A HOAX! NOT A DREAM! NOT AN IMAGINARY STORY! BORAT WILL BE THERE!
THIS SCREENING ISFREE! YOUR PROFILE IS YOUR TICKET!
Bring a printout of your profile withTHE BLACK CARPET and BORATin your Top 8/12/24/etc for FREE admittance!
ONE PROFILE, ONE PERSONFIRST COME, FIRST SERVEEntry is limited so get there early to ensure success!
THEATER LOCATIONSPLEASE NOTE: No cellphones or cameras will be allowed in the theater!INTERNATIONALall times localBERLIN,GERMANYCineStar SonyCenterat the Potsdamer PlatzPotsdamer Stra§e 4Berlin, GERDoors: 9pm DUBLIN,IRELANDCineworld DublinParnell CentreParnell StreetDublin, IEDoors: 8pm LONDON,ENGLANDCineworld Shaftesbury AveTrocadero7-14 Coventry StreetPiccadilly CircusLondon, GBDoors: 8pm SYDNEY,AUSTRALIAHoyts CinemaBroadway Shopping CentreCnr Greek & Bay StreetBroadway 2007Sydney, AUDoors: 6pm TORONTO,CANADAParamount259 Richmond Street WestToronto, ON M5V 3M6Doors: 9pm UNITED STATESall times local ATLANTARegal Hollywood 243265 Northeast ExpresswayChamblee, GA, 30341Doors: 9pm DALLASStudio Movie Grill4721 W. Park Blvd. #100Plano, TX 75093Doors: 9pm MINNEAPOLISAMC Southdale400 Southdale CenterEdina, MN 55435Doors: 9pm PORTLANDRegal Lloyd Center1510 NE Multnomah Blvd.Portland, OR 97232Doors: 9pm AUSTINAlamo Draft House South Lamar1120 S. LamarAustin, TX 78704Doors: 9pm DENVERCC Cherry Creek3000 East First Ave.Denver, CO 80206Doors: 9pm NASHVILLERegal Green Hills3815 Green Hills Village DrNashville, TN 37215Doors: 9pm SACRAMENTOCentury Downtown Plaza445 Downtown PlazaSacramento, CA 95814Doors: 9pm BOSTONRegal Fenway 210 Brookline AveBoston, MA 02155Doors: 9pm KANSAS CITYAMC Studio 3012075 S. Strang Line RoadKansas City, MO 66062Doors: 9pm NEW YORK CITYAMC Empire234 W. 42nd. St at 8th AveNew York City, NY 10036Doors: 9pm SAN DIEGOEdwards Mira Mesa 1810733 Westview PkwySan Diego, CA 92126Doors: 9pm CLEVELANDRichmond Town Center631 Richmond RoadRichmond Hts, OH 44143Doors: 9pm LOS ANGELESAMC Century City10250 Santa Monica BlvdSuite 2000Los Angeles, CA 90067Doors: 9pm PHILADELPHIAUA Riverview1400 S. Columbus BlvdPhiladelphia, PA 19467Doors: 8pm SAN FRANCISCOAMC Metreon101 Fourth Street3rd FloorSan Francisco, CA 94103Doors: 9pm CHICAGOAMC 600600 N. Michigan AveChicago, IL 60611Doors: 9pm MIAMIAMC AventuraAventura Mall19501 Biscayne BlvdAventura FL 33180Doors: 9pm PHOENIXHarkins Arizona Mills5000 E Arizona Mills CircleTempe, Arizona 85254Doors: 9pm WASHINGTON DCGeorgetown3111 K Street, NWWashington DC 20007Doors: 9pm
LOVE BORAT? LOVE MUSIC? CHECK OUT THE SOUNDTRACK!Borat: Stereophonic Musical Listenings That Have Been Origin In Moving Film "Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan." Avaiilable October 31st on Kuzcek Records and Downtown/Atlantic Records.
SEE YOU SOON!
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 05:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― jelkino (jergins), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 05:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 05:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Andrew (enneff), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 07:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 07:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 07:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― a naked Kraken annoying Times Square tourists with an acoustic guitar (nickalici, Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link
1) free screenings such as these
and
2) I have brother. His name is Bilo. He once have a demon that live in his head so we open his head and place a dry fish inside to eat the demon, but the demon become angry and make Bilo a retard. He is sex crazy! All day long in his cage he look on porno!
This Bilo son Boltok
http://www.borat.tv/ms_blog/wolfboy.jpg
― mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link
in other news:
http://www.avclub.com/content/files/images/Borat-hf.homepage_featured.jpg
the avclub uses borat as a teaser, but never really says much about their review of the Toronto festival
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 21 September 2006 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link
"Do not listen him. He is Uzbek impostor."
― Marmot (marmotwolof), Friday, 29 September 2006 06:09 (seventeen years ago) link
I wish I'd seen that news thing :(
― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Friday, 29 September 2006 07:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― dar1a g (daria g), Friday, 29 September 2006 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link
hahahahah
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 29 September 2006 14:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 29 September 2006 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link
http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/2006/09/borat_goes_to_w.html
― A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Friday, 29 September 2006 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link
Hilarious.
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 29 September 2006 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 29 September 2006 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 29 September 2006 21:48 (seventeen years ago) link
Friday, September 29, 2006 My Speehes on Kazakhstan Embassy. Here is what I say. Jagshemash, my name Borat Sagdiyev. I would like comment on recent advertisements on television and in media about my nation of Kazakhstan, saying that women are treated equally, and that all religions are tolerated – these are disgusting fabrications. These claims are part of a propoganda campaign against our country by evil nitwits Uzbekistan – who as we all know are a very nosey people, with a bone in the middle of their brain. There is a man name Roman Vasilenko who is claiming to be Press Secretary of Kazakhstan. Please do not listen this man, he is Uzbek imposter, and is currently being hunted by our agents. I must further say on behalf of my government, that if Uzbekistan do not desist from funding these attacks, then we will not rule out the possibility of military intervention. If there is one more item of Uzbek Propoganda claiming that we do NOT drink fermented horse urine, give death penalty for baking baigels, or export over 300 tonnes of human pubis per year, then we will be left with no alternative but to commence bombardment of their cities with our catapaults.Furthermores, all claims that our glorious leader is displeased with my film, 'Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan' is lie. Infacts main purpose of Premier Nazharbayev's visit to Washingtons is to promote this moviefilm. This why together with Ministry of Information he will be hosting a screening tomorrow evening, to which he have invitate Premiere George Walter Bush and other American dignitaries - Donald Rumsfeld, Bill Gates, OJ Simpson and Mel Gibsons. This screening will be followed by cocktail party and a discussion of closer ties between our countries at Hooters.Thank you, I must now return to Embassy where my government need me. Chenquieh
My Speehes on Kazakhstan Embassy. Here is what I say.
Jagshemash, my name Borat Sagdiyev. I would like comment on recent advertisements on television and in media about my nation of Kazakhstan, saying that women are treated equally, and that all religions are tolerated – these are disgusting fabrications. These claims are part of a propoganda campaign against our country by evil nitwits Uzbekistan – who as we all know are a very nosey people, with a bone in the middle of their brain.
There is a man name Roman Vasilenko who is claiming to be Press Secretary of Kazakhstan. Please do not listen this man, he is Uzbek imposter, and is currently being hunted by our agents. I must further say on behalf of my government, that if Uzbekistan do not desist from funding these attacks, then we will not rule out the possibility of military intervention.
If there is one more item of Uzbek Propoganda claiming that we do NOT drink fermented horse urine, give death penalty for baking baigels, or export over 300 tonnes of human pubis per year, then we will be left with no alternative but to commence bombardment of their cities with our catapaults.
Furthermores, all claims that our glorious leader is displeased with my film, 'Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan' is lie. Infacts main purpose of Premier Nazharbayev's visit to Washingtons is to promote this moviefilm. This why together with Ministry of Information he will be hosting a screening tomorrow evening, to which he have invitate Premiere George Walter Bush and other American dignitaries - Donald Rumsfeld, Bill Gates, OJ Simpson and Mel Gibsons.
This screening will be followed by cocktail party and a discussion of closer ties between our countries at Hooters.
Thank you, I must now return to Embassy where my government need me. Chenquieh
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 30 September 2006 00:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― Abbott (Abbott), Saturday, 30 September 2006 00:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 1 October 2006 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link
US President George W. Bush(R) shakes hands with Kazakhstan President Nursultan Nazarbayev during a meeting in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, DC. Bush chose not to publicly confront Nazarbayev on human rights, as the oil-rich Central Asian giant's leader visited the White House.(AFP/Mandel Ngan)
http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20060929/2006_09_29t082850_450x287_us_life_borat1.jpg?x=380&y=242&sig=4tkdZE2LezGq.5YEeQKkCw--
At the white house, talking to un-amused security.
Also, i didn't know that the Baikonur Cosmodrome was in Kazakhstan.
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 1 October 2006 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 1 October 2006 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Sunday, 1 October 2006 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link
Nazarbayev has sought to raise the profile of the oil-rich former Soviet republic and assure the West that, contrary to Borat's claims, his is not a nation of drunken anti-Semites who treat their women worse than their donkeys.
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 1 October 2006 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link
lolol
― am0n (am0n), Sunday, 1 October 2006 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 1 October 2006 19:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 1 October 2006 21:37 (seventeen years ago) link
The main hobbies in Israel are dreideling and drinking the blood of gentile children.
― wostyntje (wostyntje), Sunday, 1 October 2006 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― am0n (am0n), Sunday, 1 October 2006 22:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― wostyntje (wostyntje), Sunday, 1 October 2006 22:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― am0n (am0n), Sunday, 1 October 2006 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Monday, 2 October 2006 02:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Monday, 2 October 2006 03:00 (seventeen years ago) link
then there's this, about the ADL raising concerns...
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 2 October 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link
He ventures deep into unmediated America, spot-tests some big, surprisingly ambitious sociological theories, then wrestles a fat guy naked.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link
http://uk.rottentomatoes.com/m/borat/
it's getting the best reviews that i've ever seen for a comedy.
― pisces (piscesx), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― shabba ranks (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:00 (seventeen years ago) link
12 for 12 is nice & all, but it'd be a better barometer of its widespread acceptance w/ more Variety-type raves and less JoBlo.com and CliffYablonski.edu raves.
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― shabba ranks (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link
"We went out, came back in with the cameras, he wouldn't do it!"
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:47 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah, It's kinda hard to take the web, um, critic seriously when their quote reads:
"There are a lot of blue state folks who are offended by Cohen's portrayal of Kazakhstan as a backwards country of idiots. Hopefully, Cohen will find a way to make fun of these fun-hating cretins in his next picture"
Liberals hate comedy. These emo-terrorists want nothing more than to destroy our laughter. Never forget.
― cosmo vitelli (cosmo vitelli), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― this, however, is the crucial moment from the libertine's point of view (kenan), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 18:19 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.boratmovie.com/
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 05:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 05:58 (seventeen years ago) link
Despite that, I love Borat and I can't wait to see the film.
― Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 08:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― sean gramophone (Sean M), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 09:59 (seventeen years ago) link
Nothing more than that? :-/
I'm surprised that so few of you have any sympathy for the Kazachs concern
The concern seems for the most part to be coming from the government, who are a bunch of tools to start with.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link
xpost - It seems a decent idea to have non-poisonous views even on nations that don't depend on tourist Dollars (Iraq springs to mind :)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― ;_; (blueski), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Stephen X (Stephen X), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link
How does that make it worse? If a small group of people who didn't know or care that Kazakhstan existed before now have an incorrect view of it - who was harmed? They never would have patronized Kazakhstan and its industry, nor are they in a position to guide policy toward Kazakhstan. For all intents and purposes, Kazakhstan is as real to them as Hobbitland.
― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link
but i am waiting for "All your base are belong to us" or "Wazzzzup" or "I wuz fuckin' mah momma!" whatever to become the new "I'm Rick James, bitch".
xpost
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Allyzay (allyzay), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Stephen X (Stephen X), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― am0n (am0n), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 19 October 2006 03:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 19 October 2006 03:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 19 October 2006 07:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 23 October 2006 03:56 (seventeen years ago) link
maybe it's cause it was so ridiculous that you know that his attitudes were exaggerated and untrue and maybe because at some point, you realize that many of the americans he meets are keeping pace with his character's fucked up attitudes... and kind of half wondering, "are these people for real or are they actors?" and even if they are actors, you know the attitudes they're expressing are completely real... unlike the exaggeration cohen's playing.
m.
― msp (mspa), Monday, 23 October 2006 04:18 (seventeen years ago) link
One person who is likely to regret the day he met Borat is Tennessee rodeo manager Bobby Rowe, who is cajoled by the comedian into making disparaging remarks about Muslims and homosexuals.
A phone call to Mr Rowe and an enquiry about whether he is the person in the movie elicits a slow, painful reply: "Yeah, I'm the same one."
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 October 2006 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link
"And so I don't do any interviews over the dadgum phone any more. This phone rings 10-12 phones a day.
Cohen must have struggled to make this guy look stupid.
― ONIMO's lips can't feel! (GerryNemo), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― cocksure triumphalism at its most vacant (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 23 October 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 03:45 (seventeen years ago) link
http://myspace.com/borat
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link
FeaturesOctober 24, 2006Beat the PressThe Borat media frenzy begs the question: Will reporters ever quit rolling over for studios?By Lewis Beale
I was talking to a 20th Century Fox publicist last week about Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan, and the conversation wasn't about its alleged anti-Semitism or the way it picks on America's rubes and racists. No, I was wondering if actor/co-writer Sacha Baron Cohen was actually going to do interviews as himself rather than in character, as he's been doing for the past several months. The publicist wanted to know why I asked, and I responded that interviewing Cohen as Borat held absolutely no interest for me.
"It's shtick," I said. "And as a journalist, I'm not interested in promoting shtick. I'd really like to know why he chose Kazakhstan as Borat's home, why all the Jewish stuff is in the film and if he thinks that in many cases, the object of his satire is akin to shooting fish in a barrel."
Said flack was amazed I wasn't interested in a Borat interview; everyone else was dying to query the Kazakh buffoon. (If you don't believe me, read this. And watch a Borat "press conference" here). Which leads to my point: the toadying, craven entertainment press once again shows how it might as well be in the pay of the studios. Someone once said that the term "entertainment journalism" is an oxymoron, and these days, that's more often true than not. The competition for "stories" (I use this term loosely; it's really just a feeding frenzy for access) has become so intense that just about everyone has become a suckup.
Here's the thing: the film industry is a multi-billion dollar enterprise with a global reach. The images it puts out not only define how we see ourselves, but how others see us. Not that you'd know this from most entertainment "reporting," which is obsessed with celebrity, box-office gross and the vapid coming and goings of studio heads and power agents.
Back in the early '80s, when I broke in as a stringer for the Los Angeles Times, things were a lot different. The entertainment section ran stories about how the Mob was reaping millions from Deep Throat; the ways in which the cocaine epidemic was affecting Hollywood; and how the paranoid M.I.A. movies of the period (Rambo and all those cheesy Chuck Norris flicks) were presenting a distorted image of the Vietnam War's aftermath.
Can you imagine stories like those in any arts section in 2006? It's not just that editors and writers seem to be uninterested in real reporting (under the mistaken assumption that readers don't care), there's also the fact that slowly but surely, they've allowed the PR machine to dictate what they write, and even how it gets played.
Don't believe me? Just check out the outlets who will willingly sign legal documents stating that the piece being written, or the photo being shot, can only show up in the publication, Web site, etc. that the interview was scheduled for. In other words: You want the interview, you have to promise you won't sell it to another outlet. You want the photo, you have no resale or syndication rights. In some cases, you have to promise specific placement before you get the access you want.
I don't know of any other beat reporters -- whether they're covering sports, politics, business or what-have-you -- who are forced to sign away their rights. But on the entertainment scene, well, you want disheartening, check out any junket where the Webbies, TV stations, second-tier papers and other alleged journalists blithely troop up to the sign-in table and happily affix their John Hancocks to these documents. It's truly, utterly disgusting (don't even get me started on the sycophantic autograph-seekers, picture-takers and gift bag freebie sluts).
Luckily, I work mostly for outlets who refuse this sort of blackmail. And even though their stance has occasionally cost them stories they haven't backed down. In the last several months, I've had two run-ins of this sort: an interview with a B-level actor was cancelled when the paper I was writing for refused to guarantee a cover, and photos of a 20-year-old semi-unknown were not allowed when the same publication would not sign away their rights. Good for them; it's nice to know there are still some papers with ethical standards.
Which leads me back to Borat. Interviewing an actor in character has as much relationship to real reporting as the Oakland Raiders do to a good football team. It's blatantly crawling up the ass of the studio and giving it a big rimjob. You want to do it? Great. Have a fine time. But don't ever call yourself a reporter, my friend.
― latebloomer: Veteran of the Mai Tai Massacre (latebloomer), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link
INTEGRITY
― latebloomer: Veteran of the Mai Tai Massacre (latebloomer), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link
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oh give me a fucking break.
― pisces (piscesx), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link
What? That isn't true? Don't be naive.
― Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 26 October 2006 01:33 (seventeen years ago) link
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/10/boratG241006_228x371.jpg
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/img/galleries/borat251006/borat2G_350x271.jpg"I have brought here with me my 11-year-old son, his wife and their new-born baby, who I am hoping to sell to singing transvestite Madonna," he said.
and their review
A little warning: There's some anti-Semitic banter (from Baron Cohen if you please) and male nude wrestling.
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link
...earlier this week, 20th Century Fox slashed the number of theaters in which it plans to open Borat domestically to 800 from more than 2000, saying that Middle America has yet to become aware of the character. The film opens on Nov. 2 in the U.S. (and the U.K.).
Are these the same fucks that buried Idiocracy, or was those fucks at another studio?
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link
I'll be honest with you, kingfisher, I hadn't heard of Borat until recently.
This summer, a guy in my fantasy baseball league starting posting stuff in his "Talk Smack!" balloon like "Throw the Jew down the well!" The other managers and I went wtf, and started calling him out in the comments section. He backpedaled and said it was from "Borat". Hell, his team's name was "Borat's Ballers". I didn't know what it meant.
NOW, I've heard of the guy, but I wouldn't blame the studio for not giving it a Braveheart IV kind of opening.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link
Obvious and Idealistic, as that sentiment may be.
― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link
Fish in a barrel and a little too self-satisfied for my taste, but kind of great nonetheless.
― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link
Me = Capt. Obv.
― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Pleasant Plains /// (pleasant.plain...), October 27th, 2006 5:38 PM. (Pleasant Plains ///)
wait, back up... you fantasize about baseball?
― am0n (am0n), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link
Anonymously fund over-the-top promotion campaign for all wierd movies I fancy.
If I ever become a Crazy Billionaire To Do List Item #360:
Purchase Hellicopters and invite friends over for "Hellacopter Races."
― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link
Sure I do. For example, in my outfield, I have a +1 Paladin in left, Miss April 1992 Cady Cantrell in center, and Creedence Clearwater Revival in right.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 27 October 2006 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link
we all know she can't catch worth a shit, but can she bat?
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 21:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― researching ur life (grady), Saturday, 28 October 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link
Hollywood film company Universal is offering £22 million for the worldwide rights to the film Bruno, based on a flamboyant gay Austrian fashion reporter.
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 28 October 2006 19:05 (seventeen years ago) link
the facial expressions are better than the jokes
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 29 October 2006 07:06 (seventeen years ago) link
-- kingfish prætor (jdsalmo...), October 28th, 2006.
fixed.
― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Sunday, 29 October 2006 07:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Monday, 30 October 2006 09:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Monday, 30 October 2006 09:41 (seventeen years ago) link
Borat beware: Accept an invitation by a top Kazakh official to find out what the country is really like and you could be in for a nasty surprise.
"I'd kill this impostor on the spot," said Eltai Muptekeyev, who makes his living in Almaty by posing for photos with a blindfolded falcon clinging to a thick leather glove on his hand.
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Even the nation's most liberal political voice had bellicose words for Borat.
"If it happened in a country where rules are more strict than ours, there would have been a government decree to destroy Borat," said Zharmakhan Tuyakbai, leader of the opposition National Social-Democratic Party.
"Even if we set aside his (offensive) personality, he should certainly bear responsibility for his offensive words."
But some Kazakhs were starting to see the humor.
Aigul Abysheva, a third-year linguistics student at Almaty State University, said she at first was "disgusted" by Borat's jokes, especially by his "chain of importance" _ where dogs and horses are higher than women.
"But then I realized he was making fun of ignorant people, no matter where they come from," she said. "The real target of Borat's movie is a couch potato who believes that Kazakhs drink horse urine."
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link
But Galymzhan Zhakiyanov, a Kazakh opposition leader, said it was only natural that Cohen should ridicule his country.
"Instead of fighting Borat we should look at other circumstances that have harmed our country's image," he told the zonakz.net liberal news Web site.
"If human rights and freedoms were not being violated, if Kazakhstan did not become famous for its corruption scandals around the world, then Sacha Cohen would've chosen some other country for his jokes."
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jena (JenaP), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link
"Our way of thinking is mostly European," said Tuyakbai, the opposition leader. "For 70 years we lived in a totalitarian state, and successfully transformed our society in just 15 years of independence."
His tone changed when the conversation turned to Borat.
"If I see him, I'll hit him in the face," he said.
― Jena (JenaP), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link
by J. Hoberman Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan is funnier than its malapropic title—the audience with whom I saw the movie wasn't laughing so much as howling—and even more difficult to parse. Eyes wide, face fixed in an avid grin, Sacha Baron Cohen's ersatz Kazakh TV reporter, the ineffably oafish Borat Sagdiyev, goes looking for America. It's a documentary of sorts. The road trip—he's afraid to fly "in case the Jews repeated their attack of 9-11"—takes him from New York to Los Angeles (where he hopes to bag Pamela Anderson) by way of Mississippi, and well beyond the boundaries of taste.
America, the "greatest country in the world" per Borat, first appears as a subway car, where the friendly Kazakh introduces himself to passengers and, as is his custom, attempts to double-kiss the men. Predictable agitation is trumped when Borat's cheap suitcase drops open to release a live chicken.
The alert viewer may glimpse director Larry Charles among the startled commuters, but by and large, Baron Cohen's lumpen performance art—replete with all manner of public display and daredevil idiocy—is skilled at concealing its tracks. In the most spectacular example, Borat's bedroom tussle with his heavyset "Kazakh" producer (Ken Davitian), caught masturbating with a picture of Pamela, escalates into a naked chase down the hotel elevator, through the lobby, and into a banquet of the local mortgage brokers' association.
Not simply a jackass, Borat (like Baron Cohen's earlier creation Ali G) specializes in one-on-ones with unwary professionals, snared by their willingness to humor a hapless foreigner and desire to appear on (even Kazakh) TV. Stooges range from a self-identified humor consultant ("Do you ever laugh on people with retardation?" Borat wonders) to a car salesman (asked if the automobile is outfitted with a "pussy magnet") to a pair of pols, former Georgia representative Bob Barr and perennial candidate Alan Keyes. What did they know—and when did they know it? Keyes realizes something before our eyes when, after a long, faux-naive account of a Gay Pride rally, Borat says, "Are you telling me that the man who tried to put a rubber fist into my anus was a homosexual?"
How does Baron Cohen keep a straight face? If ever there was a movie that demanded a documentary devoted to its making, it's this one. (Press notes assert the filmmakers were reported as terrorists and trailed by the FBI.) That both Barr and Keyes are right-wing moralizers suggests something about the Baron Cohen agenda. It's hardly coincidental that the antique store he trashes specializes in Confederate memorabilia. Interviewing "veteran feminists" or Atlanta homies, Borat baffles them with his chauvinist stupidity. But picked up by a van of South Carolina frat boys or chatting with the owner of the Imperial Rodeo, he has alarmingly little difficulty getting them to articulate the idea of reinstituting slavery or making homosexuality a capital offense.
Baron Cohen has gleefully involved the government of Kazakhstan in a campaign against Borat—showing up at the White House on the day President Bush hosted Kazakh president Nursultan Nazarbayev. But his target isn't really an imaginary version of Nazerbayev's nation (nor its enemies, the "evil nitwits" of Uzbekistan); it is rather the domain of the "great warlord Premier Bush," red states in particular. "I think the cultural differences are just vast," the Mississippi matron hosting Borat for dinner at her Magnolia Mansion (on Secession Drive) confides to the camera while her guest is away from the table. Those differences become unbridgeable when Borat returns with a stool sample, and then with the arrival of his indescribably inappropriate date—recruited from the back-page ads of the local alt-weekly.
The movie's set piece has Borat— wearing an American-flag shirt and looking like Saddam Hussein plugged into the wall—entertain a Virginia rodeo with his Kazakh version of "The Star-Spangled Banner." Borat's introductory declaration of support for America's "war of terror" gets an ovation, his fervent wish that George Bush "drink the blood of every man, woman, and child in Iraq" a slightly less enthusiastic one. The crowd starts booing, however, when they hear him sing, "Kazakhstan is the great country in the world—all other countries are run by little girls." (Borat manages to complete this anthem; a report in The Roanoke Times suggests that Baron Cohen and his crew had to be hustled out of the place before they were lynched.)
It's almost anticlimactic when Borat wanders into a Pentecostal church and, in the presence of a Mississippi congressman and justice of the state supreme court, is baptized in the spirit. "Does Jesus like me?" he cries, his impassioned babble lost in the mass glossolalia and the strident "Kazakh" fiddle music arising on the soundtrack. To what faith does Borat subscribe? It's an interesting, never answered question. At one point, he's told to shave off his mustache so that he doesn't look Muslim—"just Eye-talian." But there's no suggestion that Borat is Muslim; his only religion seems to be anti-Semitism.
Borat is not just blatant but proselytizing; his statements precipitate the latent anti-Semitism around him. (The most outrageous example, not in the film, is the widely circulated TV bit in which Borat incites the patrons of an Arizona bar to join him in singing a Kazakh folk song, "Throw the Jew Down the Well.") Small wonder the Anti-Defamation League has expressed concern. The organization deemed it unfortunate that Borat is identified with an actual nation—as though the joke would work if Baron Cohen were passing himself off as a TV reporter from Upper Slobovia—but that's a displacement. Their real anxiety is that by satirizing anti-Semitism, Borat will legitimize it.
It's a measure of Baron Cohen's dexterity that he plants his alter ego on both sides of the Jewish Question. "Kazakhstan"— actually shot in Romania—is a nightmare Eastern Europe where peasants bunk with livestock, torment Gypsies, and stage a trad- itional "Running of the Jew," chasing giant-fanged puppets through their muddy village. But as a native of this barbaric shtetl, Borat is also a non-Christian other who—by virtue of his primitive nature—ridicules the hypocrisy of the dominant social order.
The ADL identifies Baron Cohen as an "observant" Jew. (I'm not sure what that means, but it seems less revealing than the subject of his Cambridge dissertation, namely the role of Jews in the American civil rights movement.) In any case, this comic has a distinctively Jewish sensibility. As sociologist John Murray Cuddihy notes in The Ordeal of Civility, his classic account of newly enlightened Jewish thinkers assimilated into the modern world, Marx, Freud, and Claude Lévi-Strauss were all similarly obsessed with "the raw, the coarse, the vulgar, the naked" and exposing the way in which these things were sublimated by the civil "niceness" of Western culture. So too, Borat (who might add the superstitious, the stupid, the sexist, and the xenophobic to that list).
Indeed, the man who invented Borat is a masterful improviser, brilliant comedian, courageous political satirist, and genuinely experimental film artist. Borat makes you laugh but Baron Cohen forces you to think.
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― sean gramophone (Sean M), Friday, 3 November 2006 10:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 November 2006 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link
introduced to U.S. audiences in the music video for Madonna’s 1998 single “Music”
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link
They’ve given up on the idea that pop culture can be a unifying force and so praise movies that make them feel superior to others.
If Armond really believed this, he'd consider his own status as film criticism's most prominent contrarian.
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link
Dude just watch it in a double-feature with Team America or something
― nate p. (natepatrin), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link
What a moron.
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:57 (seventeen years ago) link
(x-post) Offhand, I don't think he's ever passed off Spielberg hate as widespread anti-Semitism but rather anti-sensation, or something to that effect.
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 3 November 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link
I want to see this, but I'm having trouble not thinking about the tv producer in Jackson who lost his job because he got duped.
― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link
I was going to say the same about Talledega Nights.
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 3 November 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link
watch one Bruno Ali G skit.
― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link
No variety, terrible pacing - a few funny moments along the way, but overall just very tedious. If it had been a DVD I would have stopped it every 30 minutes to go do something else.
Not half as funny overall as Jackass, I much prefer comedy where the ridicule is internal vs. making fun of people who are otherwise unsuspecting.
― milo z (mlp), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link
OTM, even in the same SEGMENT as the "Throw the Jew Down the Well" scene, you had Borat teaching "Kazakh" folk dances to a square dance group ("walk like a homosexual", "beat the gypsy", and so on).
Why would someone centre his longass "critique" around a scene he admittedly saw only once?
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 3 November 2006 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 November 2006 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link
---
ABE FOXMAN ON BORAT
Fresh from squashing the Tony Judt speech at the Polish Legation in New York, the Anti-Defamation League’s Abraham Foxman threw himself today into the controversy surrounding the faux-Moslem comedian Borat. Foxman expressed “profound misgivings” about the “propriety of having an Israeli-born Jew portray a Moslem in an insulting and defamatory manner.” Professing to speak as the “voice of painful experience,” Foxman spoke in anguished tones:
“The Jewish people know something about defamation through humor, whether it be in anti-Semitic cartoons or Shakespearean comedies. Defamation, however ‘skillful’ and ‘funny’ is no joke, just as racism is no joke.”
Foxman was especially uneasy with the portrayal being done by an Israeli-born Jew:
“I have been accused of being hypersensitive to ethnic slurs, but one needn’t be the head of the ADL to deplore the spectacle being made in Hollywood over a Jewish comedian who impersonates Moslems in a manner that depicts an entire people as imbeciles and bigots and wins applause for it.”
Nor was Foxman happy over the national media’s embrace of Borat’s brand of what Foxman labels, “defamatory and belittling stereotypes”:
“Even if CNN and Jon Stewart think it is funny, it isn’t funny when a blood libel is perpetrated against the entire people of Kazakhstan. And, wink-nudge, everyone knows the Kazaks are just a stand-in for Arabs in general.”
Foxman insists it was a “no-brainer to step forward,” despite the ADL’s usual prime focus on defamation of Jews:
“I asked myself, ‘suppose we had an Arab on national TV networks doing a hilariously funny impersonation of a Jew but in a derogatory manner, say as greedy or rude?’ I’d do my job and he wouldn’t be on TV very long. Indeed, with the JDL like it is, he might not be alive very long. I’d prefer it never come to that.”
For his part, Jon Stewart said, he wouldn’t hesitate to put such a Arab comedian on his show, but he doubted such an actor could “impersonate a preposterous Jew as effectively as Foxman does.”
— Max Scherz Unsinn
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link
huh?
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:35 (seventeen years ago) link
still, going to see this in about 6 hours.
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link
pretty weak overall. but i bust a few guts just the same. naked wrestling was an all-time classic.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 4 November 2006 07:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 08:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 08:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 08:25 (seventeen years ago) link
Considering two of the speakers were a member of Congress and a state Supreme Court justice, I'd have thought you'd be at least a little concerned over that.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 08:46 (seventeen years ago) link
Based on the anecdotal evidence pouring in to me about long lines at the box office, sold-out screenings, and fans driving more than an hour to find a theater showing the pic, I believe Borat was standing room only inside those screenings.
this was true of the late show in Portland i attended.
also, i liked that we saw trailers for both the Reno 911 movie(FINALLY) and Casino Royale(for the Sellers connection).
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link
But the scenes at the bed and breakfast place and the one where he is fighting with his producer are as funny as things can get.
― Lovelace (Lovelace), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Lovelace (Lovelace), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:10 (seventeen years ago) link
This was actually my situation, FWIW -- I'd seen a couple of bits but no more. Therefore, everything felt v. fresh.
AND SPEAKING OF THE TRAILERS. Yeah, the Reno 911 and Bond ones were cool. Everything else made me want to kill.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link
But the scenes at the bed and breakfast placeI thought that sequence was dull and uncomfortable. Once you've had The Running of the Jew and the Jewchick, you've pretty much mined anti-anti-Semitic humor as far as you can.
― milo z (mlp), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link
But come on, even you were laughing so hard your stomach hurt when Borat threw the money at the cochroadches.
― Lovelace (Lovelace), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link
1 BORAT: CULTURAL LEARNINGS OF AMERICA FOR MAKE BENEFIT GLORIOUS NATION OF KAZAKHSTANFox
837 theatres $9,050,000$10,812 per screen.
2 THE SANTA CLAUSE 3: THE ESCAPE CLAUSEBuena Vista
3,458 theatres $5,200,000$1,504 per screen.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jena (JenaP), Saturday, 4 November 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link
-- deej.. (clublonel...), November 3rd, 2006 12:36 PM. (deej..) (later) (link)
also: according to him, Kazakhstan is in Eastern Europe. UH.
― gbx (skowly), Saturday, 4 November 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― researching ur life (grady), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link
enh, if the numbers hold up, that should change w/in two weeks, unless you don't just break down and torrent the thing.
which would be lamentable, tho, since this is a prime flick for a packed movie house.
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link
??
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:34 (seventeen years ago) link
also: watching frat dudes/cowboys squirm during the nude wrestling scene -- priceless
― gbx (skowly), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― W i l l (common_person), Sunday, 5 November 2006 05:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 5 November 2006 14:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Sunday, 5 November 2006 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link
is this a joke or something? fox slashed the screens for insta-buzz and i can't imagine it going any better...
― natedey (ndeyoung), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:31 (seventeen years ago) link
$31,511 per screen, which i assume is good.
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 5 November 2006 23:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― reddening (reddening), Monday, 6 November 2006 00:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― gbx (skowly), Monday, 6 November 2006 01:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― latebloomer: none of th movies make scence but they r good. (latebloomer), Monday, 6 November 2006 01:46 (seventeen years ago) link
i wish alan keyes would've said something crazy.
i knew absolutely nothing of this movie other than recognizing cohen when i saw it. i could only think of i kiss you murat at first, but got over the similarity pretty quickly.m.
― msp (mspa), Monday, 6 November 2006 02:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 6 November 2006 04:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 6 November 2006 04:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― W i l l (common_person), Monday, 6 November 2006 06:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Monday, 6 November 2006 06:51 (seventeen years ago) link
In my opinion, the whole anti-semitism thing, as funny as it was, was too heavy-handed to be an effective social commentary. Also, even if Pamela Anderson was in on the joke (which I suspect she was), the scene with her was too close to a sexual attack to make me laugh. Borat getting people to agree (or disagree) with his sexist comments can be funny, but playing a sexual attack for jokes is a bit too much. In comparison, I don't think people would've laughed if he would've started to hurl anti-semitic rants to the Jewish couple who's house he was staying in (which would've been in character). It's only funny when the joke's on the bigot/sexist.
I really liked the main story in the film, and I don't think I've laughed so hard at the cinema for ages, but I think the film was too much in between a social satire and a politically incorrect comedy to be effective as either. A totally enjoyable film, but less than the sum of it's parts.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 09:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 09:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― C J (C J), Monday, 6 November 2006 09:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 6 November 2006 10:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 10:53 (seventeen years ago) link
That's the point though isn't it??
― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Monday, 6 November 2006 11:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 11:47 (seventeen years ago) link
What hypocrisies do "all" Westerners share?
― ONIMO's losing the plot (GerryNemo), Monday, 6 November 2006 11:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 11:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 6 November 2006 11:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 12:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 12:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 6 November 2006 12:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 6 November 2006 12:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― C J (C J), Monday, 6 November 2006 13:34 (seventeen years ago) link
This is a college town, there were lots of, um, let's just say "male college students" in the theater, and you would not BELIEVE how quiet it got during the Winnebago ride.
My only real qualm with the film is that "eh-HIGH eh-FIVE-ah!" is going to become this year's "I'm Rick James, bitch!", which will be a shame, because it was very well used in this (the telegram scene was one of my favorite least-likely-to-be-remembered moments [also the bear in the ice cream truck, staged as it seemed to have been]).
― hang down like sleeve of wizard (nickalicious), Monday, 6 November 2006 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― pisces (piscesx), Monday, 6 November 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link
The only part that the audience was audibly uncomfortable with was when Borat was showing off the pics of his son's cock.
― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 6 November 2006 14:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― rems (x Jeremy), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:03 (seventeen years ago) link
Mahir "I Kiss You" wants to sue Borat, in November's Wired magazine:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.11/play.html?pg=4
― StanM (StanM), Monday, 6 November 2006 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:45 (seventeen years ago) link
Even Pamela Anderson? I kinda doubt it.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link
This I admit was the one thing I've been wondering most about.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah, I know the article is obviously one-sided, but if it reflects reality at all, I don't get what they do to actually deserve it? Or is it just The Jerky Boys: The Film? (yes, I'm aware of what several of his other targets have done).
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 6 November 2006 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link
with the dinner party, it's not that they actually deserve it, it's more just "japery amongst the upper classes."
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link
If she wasn't in on the joke I really wouldn't find the last scene funny at all, because the bottom line is that then you would be laughing at a man sexually attacking a woman (nevermind that the woman in question is Pamela Anderson). Yes, the set-up was supposed to make it a satirical, but I found little satire in that particular scene. You're not laughing at Borat the sexist there (at this point he's already become a sympathetic character), you're laughing at him attacking a woman, and I don't think even Pamela Anderson deserves it. As I said, Borat's schtick is only funny when the bigot or the racist or the sexist (or anyone in power) is the object of the joke. Would it have been funny if Borat's would've grabbed the tits and ass of some random women on the street? Or if he would've hurled some racist epithets to the black guys he met?
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:11 (seventeen years ago) link
(x-post)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:15 (seventeen years ago) link
Oh? If you were the woman in question, how would you interpret it? Few attacks by random men towards women are not sexual in nature.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― gbx (skowly), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link
A beautiful commitment ceremony between Pamela Anderson's two dogs was rudely interrupted when Ali G. star Sacha Baron Cohen--who is engaged to Wedding Crashers actress Isla Fisher--arrived uninvited at the event.
A surprise visit from Borat Sagdiyev temporarily halted the wedding of Star and Luca Pamela Anderson's two canine companions were about to pledge their undying devotion on a sunny Malibu beach last Wednesday, August 17, when a strange sea-craft was sighted just offshore. Chihuahua Luca, golden retriever Star, and gathered friends and loved ones eyed the vessel with suspicion until Sacha Baron Cohen emerged from the surf astride an inflatable turtle, calling to mind the frothy romance of Botticelli's "The Birth of Venus."
Cohen, in character as Kazakhstani TV reporter Borat, wore shorts with a leather jacket and cap and brandished a white keytar. Once ashore, the oft-reviled comedian sprinted toward Anderson and felled her with a perfectly executed rugby tackle, causing her to drop the beloved Luca. The Stacked actress struggled to her feet and brushed sand off of her long white gown as her loyal bodyguards seized the interloper, dragged him back to the shore, and dunked him in the hungry waves. The wedding party quickly composed itself, and the ceremony continued without further incident.
This disturbance was just the latest in a string of ill-received pranks orchestrated by Da Ali G. Show's Cohen, whose fame has made it increasingly difficult for him to avoid being recognized while "working." Early this year, Cohen (as Borat) was booted from a rodeo in Salem, Virginia, after he butchered the national anthem, made disturbingly violent antiterrorist statements, and suggested that President George W. Bush drink the blood of "every man, woman, and child" killed in Iraq. Last month, "Borat" dined at a Mississippi plantation house on the pretense of learning about Southern culture, but implied that his host's family was racist and supportive of slavery.
Cohen recently lent his voice to the DreamWorks movie Madagascar, in which he played an animated lemur. He is now working on his own Borat: The Movie and a NASCAR comedy in which he'll star opposite Will Ferrell.
― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:35 (seventeen years ago) link
...gathered friends and loved ones eyed the vessel with suspicion until Sacha Baron Cohen emerged from the surf astride an inflatable turtle, calling to mind the frothy romance of Botticelli's "The Birth of Venus."
GAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
― polar bear flashback episode (nickalicious), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― gbx (skowly), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link
i also thought the atlanta stuff was somewhat odd, especially the borat appropriating hip-hop slang thing, which was an obvious gag that felt beneath the clueless bumbling/darkest reveals shtick that made us pay attention to borat in the first place. i was also struck by how diligently cohen avoided bringing anything of race into the film (this depending on whether you view jewishness as a race or religion), especially in the frat boy scene. there was definitely some ugly shit left on the avid there.
― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link
You were at the wrong screening then. (Our audience pretty much was roffling stop to start.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link
Cut/full versions of scenes. (Seeing how much was done with the editing will be a treat.)
Various press appearances for the film in character, including the Kazakh embassy crashing and showing up at the White House
Commentary track...in character. (If not that, then Baron-Cohen, Roach and Charles all sitting around bullshitting is fine too.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link
I also don't see this as a 'paler' version of the TV show, the disappointment i felt was only in how much it was LIKE the tv show - still felt like the plot was very well integrated.
― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 21:11 (seventeen years ago) link
she was in on it eventually, but whatever, imagine you're turning tricks one night in downtown atlanta and you get this call...
by the smile on her face in the final scene i'm naively assuming that they (SBC/producers) got her in touch with a life-changing sum of money...
i laughed. the running chicken gag. the wrestling scene. the wedding sack. oh dear.
― beeble (beeble), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 6 November 2006 22:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― something less threatening (heywood), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 00:43 (seventeen years ago) link
I assume each and every one of these people must've given their consent to appear in the film, right? How on earth did they agree to that? Did the producers make them sign some agreement beforehand?
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 06:04 (seventeen years ago) link
i thought it was interesting that he treats all women like prostitutes except for the hooker who he gets all sweet and romantic on.
you can sign release after the event.
― beeble (beeble), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 08:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― 31g (31g), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 08:22 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.slate.com/id/2151865/
― 31g (31g), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 08:24 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15175836/site/newsweek/page/2/
― 31g (31g), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 08:28 (seventeen years ago) link
Yeah, but he really doesn't try to fish out the racism in people like he does with antisemitism. He never asks the southerners about black people (not even in the civil war antique store), and when the frat boys talk about "minorities running this country", he stays uncharacteristically silent. I mean, if he really wanted to expose American bigotry, you'd think racism was a more obvious target than antisemitism?
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 10:13 (seventeen years ago) link
It did concern me that there were a lot of kids (10-15 yrs) at the screening I was at. Not necessarily because of the nudity or racy-ness of it all, but because of a feeling that they were misinterpretting .
I thought that the film was about backwardness (ie. apart from it being something to laugh at). Backwardness of some Central Asians, and of some Americans. The director could have found such backwardness in almost any country, but it does seem to have more of a point being filmed in the country which is the "leader of the free world". The backwardness in the USandA is less forgiveable then that of central Asia or eastern Europe.
I presume that a better (funnier?) Borat film will never be seen as I assume that many great scenes were probably excluded because of legal concerns.
― peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 15:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link
This is the same as Mark Kermode's. I never trust him when it comes to comedies.
― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link
Hopefully, y'all understand that I'm not saying that this is my formula for a GREAT comedy. Its just that I've seen so many so-called comedies where a smile wasn't even cracked, so 4 oud-loud laughs is pretty good. Borat... had much more than 4.
― peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:07 (seventeen years ago) link
I though Sacha was married to a nice Jewish girl, kinda disappointed to hear he's engaged to an actress (from Wedding Crashers!) now.
― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:15 (seventeen years ago) link
the gypsy bit was weirdly hilarious, and very clever, the way he acts like you have to be authoritative but also cautious with gypsies, like "I am going to look through your treasures, gypsy. IS THIS OK?"
I have to say while I can see the point of the film exposing backward views or whatever, a lot of the impact seems to be in the fact that it makes racist or anti-semitic jokes, these jokes are powerful because they are seldom allowed to be made.
Once the setting has been made "ok" for people, then you get this raucous outpouring of laughter. Some of the "FUNNIEST MOVIE EVER" type reviews kind of make me feel this a bit more intensely, like people are laughing with the relief of being able to laugh at stuff that would normally be taboo.
I suppose you hope people think about how anti-semitic, sexist etc Borat is, I mean he's obviously a cartoon character, but I'm not sure that people ponder the fact that they just laughed at anti-semitism, maybe it doesn't matter.
I guess Borat brings out the worst in some of the Americans he speaks to, but then perhaps the film also exposes European attitudes towards Eastern Europeans...
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link
Borat (about black servant): "Is he your slave?"
Country Club Guy: "Oh no, we don't have slaves in America now. A law was passed years ago that we cannot use them for slavery. . . . which is good for them."
Borat: "Ah yes, but not so good for YOU!"
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link
this is pretty otm, especially for the showing i saw (semi-rural, reddest state ever)
― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link
I haven't read a less than four-star review of it yet. And the majority were fives. -- chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (joe.goode...)
Just so yr not missing this:
http://www.nypress.com/19/44/film/ArmondWhite.cfm
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link
Mahir is suing.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 18:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Chesty Joe Morgan (Chesty Joe Morgan), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 21:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― shookout (shookout), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 21:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 7 November 2006 21:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 06:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Adrienne Begley (sparklecock), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 07:51 (seventeen years ago) link
Maybe this is because HE IS JEWISH.
― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 11:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― am0n (am0n), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link
jesus christ save us from this moronic bullshit
― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 15:49 (seventeen years ago) link
i shall lead the way
http://scoopsnoodle.com/lix/yay.gifhttp://scoopsnoodle.com/lix/yay.gifhttp://scoopsnoodle.com/lix/yay.gif
― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 15:59 (seventeen years ago) link
I mean, c'mon!!....Its intent was to be funny AND IT WAS! How many "comedies" achieve that???
― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link
http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,,1931712,00.html
― peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― diebold with a vengeance (nickalicious), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― beeble (beeble), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:01 (seventeen years ago) link
The Jewish b&b=staged, no?
― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Thursday, 9 November 2006 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link
I don't feel very troubled by most of the things that people find 'offensive', but maybe I would if I was in a minority that was mocked; maybe I even should on their behalf. What I don't like is what this shares with most comedy nowadays: a quick recourse to sexuality, obscenity and scatology in place of wit. First lines of the film: 'Hello - I Borat - I like sex! Is nice!'. Would he say that? Isn't the point, the interesting aspect of this character here, his innocence, his attempt to well-meaning to a foreign audience ...? etc. SBCohen, like many others (Gervais among them), reaches for smut like a nervous tic, when he can't do any better; and he thus brings his talent down into the general mediocre ruck of bad filthy comedy.
― the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link
also stfu
― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:48 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.downtownexpress.com/de_179/howiwasduped.html
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link
In humor or art theory, you could argue that his statement is so ridiculous that the very utterance of it proves the reverse, and therefore is an unmasking of his character’s small mindedness. Some of Borat’s most famous segments do just that, such as when the comic, who is Jewish, cajoles patrons in a country-western bar to sing “Throw the Jew down the well” to expose covert anti-Semitism. But what exactly is he trying to unmask when he ridicules women?
My art confronts fears and overcomes them with symbols of empowerment. I don’t know what motivates Borat/Cohen to use his considerable talents to deceive and manipulate: maybe it’s his way of gaining power over the childhood sting of religious animosity or the feelings of inferiority from a woman’s beating him at Scrabble. I only know that afterward, I am left feeling confused and sad.
― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― the pinefox (the pinefox), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link
xp
― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm not even gonna try to argue about it here because I know I'd probably end up looking like some humorless fun-hating PC police type, but really, fuck this shit, I can't wait until people stop talking about it.
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― gear (gear), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― cousin larry bundgee (not a cockroach) (bundgee), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― manute lol (sanskrit), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:21 (seventeen years ago) link
Wtf, who said this... a Bronson Pinchot fan club president? I mean, I can understand the Latka/Borat thing (although I don't agree with it at all), but fucking Balki?
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:15 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link
OH YEAH I WENT THERE
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm saddened that I am apparently the only fan of Foghorn Leghorn/Dan Ratherisms on this board
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:20 (seventeen years ago) link
the funniest bit, for me anyway, was actually one of the obviously staged ones: the kids discovering a bear in the ice cream truck. that's just perfectly silly and will never not be funny.
― ryan (ryan), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link
The plaintiffs -- listed as John Doe 1 and John Doe 2 -- were allegedly assured the film would not be shown in the U.S. and their identities would not be revealed.
http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/09/borat-lawsuit-high-five
haha dicks
― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 10 November 2006 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― C J (C J), Friday, 10 November 2006 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link
At the Kazakh Embassy in Moscow a weary operator answered "Borat?" before directing a reporter to the press office.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 November 2006 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link
Nov. 10, 2006 | The devilish pranks of "Borat" have made him the powder-blue polyester breakout hit of the season. But how many of Sacha Baron Cohen's gags are real, and which ones are staged? Which of Borat's victims were legitimately goofed, and which ones just played along for giggles?
With few exceptions, the real folks featured in "Borat," the movie, have been happy to talk about their experience, and outing them has turned into a mini-media craze, with tons of news outlets trying to sniff out the stories behind the making of the film. To save you time and satisfy your curiosity, we tracked down some of Borat's victims on our own and also compiled a guide revealing which figures were in on the joke (Pamela -- say it ain't so!) and which weren't.
But even after our sleuthing, some mysteries remain -- like where the heck did that naked wrestling match take place? No one seems to know. If you have a clue -- or any great additional information -- please send it to us. This is a work in progress, so be sure to check back in. We think you'll find it very niiice.
The Scene: Borat goes to the rodeoWhere: Salem Civic Center, Salem, Va.
Borat arrives at the rodeo, with plans to sing the national anthem. The rodeo's producer, Bobby Rowe, helpfully advises Borat to shave his mustache, so as not to be mistaken for a Muslim. When Borat tries to kiss him on the cheek, Rowe tells him never to do that, that people might get the wrong impression that he's gay. After Borat declares, "We hang homosexuals in my country!" Rowe smirkingly responds: "That's what we're trying to do here."
Before launching into the anthem, Borat shrieks, "We support your war of terror" -- to thunderous applause. The crowd's enthusiasm tapers off as Borat voices his wish that "George W. Bush will drink the blood of every man, woman and child in Iraq" and turns into all-out booing once Borat begins to sing the Kazakh national anthem -- during which point a horse, apparently spooked by the crowd, freaks out and falls to the ground with his flag-waving rider.
What happened: The event caused quite a stir. John Saunders, the Salem Civic Center's assistant director, told the Roanoke Times that if Borat and crew hadn't high-tailed it out of the arena, "There would have been a riot. They would have been killed."
Rowe told Salon that he'd agreed to let Borat sing, believing the story that Borat was a Kazakh journalist traveling across the country. Rowe says he requested a sample track, but was sent a blank CD. And what about those anti-gay comments? Rowe, who says he hasn't seen the film, didn't disavow them, but instead offered a curious rationale: "As long as [homosexuals] don't mess with me and get me involved, if that's their choice, just have at it. Just don't come in my household and try to demand, as they're doing now, all sorts of things. All this marriage and this mess. If you want to go live together, go live together, but don't drag everyone else into it. It's, like, before you could just pump your gas, but the thieves ruined it for everyone. Now everyone has to go pay for their gas first. Homosexuals, they want their rights for marriage and all this stuff, and they want respectability. If you want to live that life, live that life, but don't involve the whole rest of the country."
Is Rowe concerned about how he comes off in the film? "I'm not really worried about it," he says. "It can't be so bad that I can't survive. No one's coming and trying to eat me."
The Scene: Borat almost stays at a bed-and-breakfastWhere: Though the film suggests the bed-and-breakfast is somewhere between Atlanta and Dallas, it's actually in Newton, Mass.
Borat arrives at a bed-and-breakfast only to realize that, to his horror, the kindly owners are ... Jewish. Scared into playing nice, Borat hesitantly takes a bite out of a pastrami and rye sandwich they bring to his bedroom -- then spits it out the minute they turn away. Later that night, convinced that the shape-shifting couple has transformed into a menacing pair of insects, he throws money at them and runs screaming, with his producer Azamat, into the night.
What happened: Mariam and Joseph Behar, the proprietors of the kosher bed-and-breakfast, tell Salon that they rented out three rooms to what they thought was a Kazakh documentarian and his film crew. The location had been scouted and photographed, with the Behars' knowledge, prior to the taping. Speaking on the telephone, Joseph, with Mariam chatting in the background, says they saw the film and thought it "was not anti-Semitic at all. It was outstanding. I think [Sacha Baron Cohen] is a genius."
Though Borat never broke character, and no one in the production let the Behars in on the joke, Joseph found Borat to be "very lovely and very polite, very attractive."
Joseph says that he first started to have doubts about Borat's authenticity when Borat told him he was going to be married in Malibu. "I know what kind of people live in Malibu," Joseph said, "and I didn't think someone in Malibu would marry this kind of man." Mariam also overheard Borat using Hebrew words (Borat's Kazakh is a mix of gibberish Hebrew and various Eastern European languages).
The producers did ask the Behars to bring food to Borat's room -- something not usually done for guests -- though they did not say what kind of food to bring.
The Scene: Borat has an etiquette lesson Where: Birmingham, Ala.
Borat visits etiquette instructor Kathie Martin for advice on appropriate dinner party behavior. Most memorably, Borat regales Martin with Polaroids of his very, very naked, teenage son, which Martin, with preternatural poise, suggests he not show to his fellow dinner party attendees.
What happened: Martin was told by producers that a Kazakh documentarian would like to have a lesson before beginning his travels, so as not to embarrass himself. Martin saw the film on Saturday and told us she found that "certain parts were funny, certain parts were not." She told Newsweek, "I would've liked my 15 minutes of fame in this life to have been for something more worthwhile than an R-rated movie."
Her first meeting with Borat was canceled after the crew came to Martin's house and encountered technical difficulties -- but not before Martin had prepared a five-course meal for her guest.
As for the naked pictures, Martin, polite as always, remarked, "It helped that I was not wearing my glasses."
The Scene: Borat eats with a Southern dining society Where: The dinner took place at the Magnolia Springs Manor in Helena, Ala. The Southern plantation home was built in 1875 and currently functions as an event hall.
Among many transgressions that night, Borat insults the wife of Mountain Brook Presbyterian Church pastor Cary Speaker; after remarking on how popular two of the women would be in Kazakhstan, Borat gestures at Speaker's wife and says, "not so much." Oh, he also brings a bag of his own excrement to the table after using the bathroom, mistakes a retired fellow diner for being retarded, and invites a "prostitute" over for company.
What happened: The Birmingham News reports that Borat's dining companions weren't that upset with how they appeared in the film. "All things considered, we got out of this pretty clean," said the retired Mike Jared.
"I don't think he made a fool of us," said Cindy Streit, the Birmingham etiquette coach who arranged the dinner.
Speaker, who abruptly left the party after the alleged prostitute arrived, says his attitude is "Hey, he fooled us; it's funny. Watching this, I'm sure it's funny [to some people]. It was just not funny that night."
He adds that his two college-age sons found his appearance "hysterical."
The Scene: Borat goes for humor lessonsWhere: Although the film makes it appear as if Borat's humor lessons took place in New York, he visited with humor coach Pat Haggerty, who lives and works in Washington, D.C.
Haggerty instructs Borat to not make jokes about the "retard" brother Borat keeps in a cage, and that perhaps it's not the best idea to tell people about having sex with his mother-in-law. Borat also proves himself to be a quick study when it comes to the subtle timing of the "not" joke -- not!
What he said: Haggerty told the BBC News that about halfway through their session he realized "this guy can't be real." Aware that he was being made to play the straight man, Haggerty continued with the lesson because "they paid me my money and they deserve an hour of my time." According to the same story, the public speaking coach is hoping his appearance in the film will give his career a boost. "The only downside is if I appear to be a fool."
The Scene: Borat talks to the Veteran Feminists of AmericaWhere: New York
Borat sits down with three members of the Veteran Feminists of America, informs them that women have smaller brains than men do, and inquires about "Baywatch." He also cajoles one to "listen, pussycat, smile a bit," without much luck. (To view some of the scene, go here.)
What happened: Linda Stein, Grace Welch and Carole De Saram were told by producers that they would be appearing in a documentary to help women in Third World countries. Stein says she has mixed feelings about the incident. She finagled her way into an advance screening of the film and found some parts of the film funny, but thinks "the joke appeals more to men than women."
Welch, a yoga instructor, found the whole incident funny. "What he does, he does very well, so I don't feel anger," she told the British Observer. "I was inclined very much to laugh at the event." As a result of the encounter she did go see "Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby," thinking it was "Borat." "I had to soldier on to watch that," she said. "I don't usually go to those kinds of pictures."
Cohen's Borat act was thoroughly convincing. Though Stein threw him out of the interview twice, she readily admits that "at no point during the whole event, as angry as I may have gotten, did it ever occur to me this was a comedian acting." The producer was able to sweet-talk the women into speaking with Borat again after the first heave-ho (the second time around, Borat asked the women to take off their tops). "Please," Stein says the producer begged, "he's from a third-world country, help him. He doesn't know any better." The producer then admonished Borat in a stage whisper, "You can't talk to American women this way."
When Stein told Borat that women in America can do anything men can, be president, secretary of state ("Oh, like that chocolate lady?" Borat replied) or even a reporter, Borat argued, "No. I can lift a chair!" At which point he stood up and lifted a chair. Not to be outdone, Stein lifted a chair as well. "I can lift two chairs," Borat countered, lifting two chairs. Stein did the same. And she now takes exception to the omission of this scene from the film. "He didn't choose the segments that really make the point that women are equal and strong. He didn't make the point with sexism that perhaps he did with anti-Semitism and homophobia."
The Scene: Borat learns to drive Where: Baltimore County, Md.
After deciding that he must travel cross-country to meet Pamela Anderson, Borat decides to take driving lessons. Patiently teaching the easily distracted Kazakh is Michael Psenicksa, a driving instructor with 32 years of experience and the owner of his own driving school. During the harrowing car ride, Psenicksa tells Borat that in America, women must give consent for "sexy time."
"That's good, huh?" says the instructor.
"That's not good for me," Borat replies.
What happened: In an interview with the Baltimore Sun, Psenicksa said his encounter with Borat began in May 2005, when he received a phone call from someone saying his production company was filming a documentary about foreigners learning how to drive. He realized he'd been the victim of a gag after he told his son-in-law about the experience, who said it sounded like a gag from "Da Ali G Show." When Psenicksa saw the show, he recognized his student.
While he thought the movie was funny, Psenicksa says he was upset that other drivers were put at risk during the prank. "I'm not happy about that to this day."
The Scene: Borat buys a car The Scene: Gaithersburg, Md.
Borat arrives at a dealership looking to buy a vehicle for somewhere in the range of $600 to $650. Borat asks the salesman, the aptly named Jim Sell, for a "pussy magnet," at which point he's shown a Hummer. After Borat learns that no such actual magnet exists, and that the Hummer is out of his price range, we appear to see Sell arrange for Borat to buy a used ice cream truck.
What happened: "I was approached by a man named Todd Lewis, who said he was a producer for a documentary," says Sell. "They wanted to film him negotiating with me over the price of a vehicle."
When Borat arrived, "they kept him away from most people in the dealership. I had no idea who he was. I just thought he didn't know anything about this country."
Sell knew something fishy was going on when Borat "gave me a pin and said it was a gift from his country. On one side was a flag, on the other side was a KKK sign."
"Luckily, I handled myself OK," says Sell. "I just feel bad I wasted three hours of my time for 150 bucks. And I had nothing to do with selling him an ice cream truck."
The Scene: Borat appears on a small Southern ABC affiliateWhere: Jackson, Miss.
Borat wreaks havoc at Jackson's WAPT, standing up every time he spoke, forcing the camera crew to scramble to avoid waist-level shots; offering up his sister to the silver-haired newscaster conducting the interview; interrupting the weatherman during a report by wandering on to the set.
What happened: A story in the Jackson Clarion-Ledger quotes station general manager Stuart Kellogg as saying, "We were gotten. Our folks researched the production company, which has its own Web site and sounds legitimate. They did their homework, but not well enough. It seemed plausible that he was who he said he was," Kellogg said. "Who knows what an accent from Kazakhstan sounds like?"
The story also reports that Borat's visit led the station to upgrading its policy on researching guests and on building security.
Another story reports that Dharma Arthur, the woman responsible for booking Borat on the show, says she lost her livelihood because of the incident. "I spiraled into depression, and before I could recover, I was released from my contract early. It took me three months to find another job, and now I'm thousands of dollars in debt and struggling to keep my house out of foreclosure. The upsetting thing is that a man who leaves so much harm in his path is lauded as a comic genius."
The Scene: Borat meets a prostitute Where: Helena, Ala.
Borat invites Luenell, a prostitute whose number he found in the back of a newspaper, to the Magnolia Mansion Dining Society, whose members promptly ask them to leave. Borat and Luenell go on to enjoy a night of mechanical bull riding at a local bar. Later, after Borat concludes that things aren't going to work out with Pamela Anderson, he realizes Luenell is the woman for him, marries her, and takes her back to Kazakhstan, where she feeds his whole town with her breast milk.
What happened: Sadly, Luenell Campbell is not a Borat-style "Pretty Woman" but a 37-year-old comedian and actress who has appeared in "So I Married an Axe Murderer" and "The Rock," and is currently on a comedy tour. She's coy about her participation in the film, telling MTV, "I can't tell you about any of the inner workings. I'm sworn to secrecy ... Borat and I go back a long way. We knew each other in Kazakhstan."
The Scene: Borat wrecks an antique store Where: Adolph Rose Antiques in Vicksburg, Miss.
After being convinced that the shop owners are not trying to trick him by selling "old things," Borat destroys a good chunk of the store's merchandise via a series of pratfalls. Borat's offer to help pay for the broken antiques with a bag of pubic hair is, unsurprisingly, turned down.
What happened: Store owner Larry Walker tells us that he was called out of the blue by a producer asking permission to come to his store, in order to film "a Belarussian documentary about life in the South."
"I had a funny feeling at first," Walker continues. "But some woman called and seemed nice and convincing, and she sent me stuff on some official-looking letterhead. Then when Borat came, all hell broke loose."
Walker, who found that he'd been duped only after a friend saw Borat on the "Today" show, estimates that $500 worth of merchandise was broken during the filming, which lasted about three hours. Still, he says he harbors no ill-will about being featured in the film (the damaged antiques were all paid for, even though the film implies otherwise). "It's a very funny movie. You have to laugh at it now. But at the time, we were just glad to get rid of him."
The Scene: Borat takes a road trip with three frat boys Where: The film implies that it takes place on a stretch in the Southwest. In fact, it was in South Carolina.
Borat gets picked up on the side of the road by three members of the Chi Psi fraternity. David, Justin and Anthony fulfill just about every frat-boy stereotype possible, saying they wished they had slaves, explaining that minorities have all the power, disabusing Borat of the notion that Pamela Anderson is a virgin, and devolving into general drunken boorishness.
What happened: The University of South Carolina chapter of Chi Psi has been expectedly tight-lipped about the incident, which doesn't portray the boys in a particularly positive light. Chapter president Todd Bailey told a Web site that he's not eager to see the film: "Personally, I have no desire to see it, but I have to be aware of what's in the movie."
David Corcoran, the most outspoken of the three, spoke with FHM about the experience. "This guy said they were filming a Kazakh reporter who wanted to hang out with frat guys," Corcoran said. "They met 10 of us and I guess chose the three who wouldn't recognize Borat." The producers paid for the three men to drink at a bar, and then had them get in the RV and "pick Borat up ... as if he was hitchhiking." Once in the RV, he says, Borat showed them naked pictures of his sister and confessed to beating women.
The Scene: Borat tries to kidnap Pamela AndersonWhere: Los Angeles
A lovelorn Borat finally meets the object of his desire at a Virgin Megastore and attempts to kidnap her by throwing a bag over her head. After she escapes, he then chases the barefoot Anderson into the parking lot, where he is thrown to the ground by two security guards.
What happened: Anderson tells MTV that she has been sworn to secrecy about her involvement with the project, but says, "I love Sacha. He's such a nice guy ... He's the new Monty Python."
Despite her silence, it seems more than likely that Anderson was in on the joke. In August 2005, when the film was still shooting, there were suspicious reports of a Malibu beach commitment ceremony between Anderson's two dogs that was interrupted by Borat, who "emerged from the surf astride an inflatable turtle." Borat, the story claimed, "sprinted toward Anderson and felled her with a perfectly executed rugby tackle ... [she] struggled to her feet and brushed sand off of her long white gown as her loyal bodyguards seized the interloper, dragged him back to the shore, and dunked him in the hungry waves." That sounds like an alternative ending that might have just been too implausible to make the final cut. But we're sure it'll wind up in the DVD.
-- By David Marchese and Will
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 10 November 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link
good ol' borat; he can elicit such comments without even being in the room.
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 10 November 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 November 2006 17:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 10 November 2006 17:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Friday, 10 November 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link
ha, i hope the DVD has plenty of cut footage.
also, i can't believe the lady had to "soldier" thru Talladega Nights. What, didn't she like the "baby jesus" scenes or Gary Cole?
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 10 November 2006 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― geoff (gcannon), Friday, 10 November 2006 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― geoff (gcannon), Friday, 10 November 2006 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link
aw
― am0n (am0n), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link
does pamela anderson think monty python is about a guy named 'monty python'?
― and what (ooo), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― nate p. (natepatrin), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link
no joke, there's a reference to Bronson Pinchot on the front page of my blog RIGHT NOW
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― latebloomer and his 'Cyborg Companion', Hacker (latebloomer), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― nate p. (natepatrin), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link
That is tragically lame.
― nate p. (natepatrin), Friday, 10 November 2006 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link
-- Alex in SF (clobberthesauru...), November 10th, 2006.
how's that jaw-dropping? it's awful, sure, and sad, but that's pretty much what like half of america thinks!
― latebloomer and his 'Cyborg Companion', Hacker (latebloomer), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― Chesty Joe Morgan (Chesty Joe Morgan), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― latebloomer and his 'Cyborg Companion', Hacker (latebloomer), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link
Half of America makes my jaw-drop then with its awfulness.
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:19 (seventeen years ago) link
1) No, I concede whatever might have been at stake here.2) "Finally"?
― nate p. (natepatrin), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:23 (seventeen years ago) link
No, that was pretty hilarious
― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Chesty Joe Morgan (Chesty Joe Morgan), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Friday, 10 November 2006 21:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― dommy p is alright WHICH IS A LOT MORE THAN I CAN SAY ABOUT A LOT OF PEOPLE (Dom, Friday, 10 November 2006 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link
xp The first Jackass movie had plenty of those in the TV trailers.
― nate p. (natepatrin), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:30 (seventeen years ago) link
fair enough!
just, where i live, i'm surrounded by this kind of thinking, so it's not shocking at all to me, just depressing...
― latebloomer and his 'Cyborg Companion', Hacker (latebloomer), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― nate p. (natepatrin), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 10 November 2006 22:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― nate p. (natepatrin), Friday, 10 November 2006 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 10 November 2006 22:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 10 November 2006 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― Chesty Joe Morgan (Chesty Joe Morgan), Friday, 10 November 2006 22:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 10 November 2006 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 10 November 2006 22:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 10 November 2006 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― am0n (am0n), Saturday, 11 November 2006 02:08 (seventeen years ago) link
wow. that was like stroszek meets the jerk.
― diane airbus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 11 November 2006 02:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 11 November 2006 02:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― c('°c) (Leee), Saturday, 11 November 2006 02:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― something less threatening (heywood), Saturday, 11 November 2006 04:53 (seventeen years ago) link
― c('°c) (Leee), Saturday, 11 November 2006 05:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Saturday, 11 November 2006 07:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Saturday, 11 November 2006 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link
everything else seemed real enough to me.
― HUNTA-V (vahid), Saturday, 11 November 2006 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.onpointnews.com/
I did think the scene seemed a little over-the-top, not like they weren't real, but like they'd been kind of encouraged to say certain sorts of things before the camera started rolling - the way the one dude asks him right off "SO WHAT ABOUT THE BABES MAN!"
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 13 November 2006 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 13 November 2006 01:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― aesthetically pleasing, in other words 'fly' (kenan), Monday, 13 November 2006 03:25 (seventeen years ago) link
I think it's equally likely that they were just drunk and there was suddenly a camera in the room.
― aesthetically pleasing, in other words 'fly' (kenan), Monday, 13 November 2006 03:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― J (Jay), Monday, 13 November 2006 03:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― aesthetically pleasing, in other words 'fly' (kenan), Monday, 13 November 2006 03:38 (seventeen years ago) link
1) If you've already seen lots of Ali G episodes, some of the schtick felt too well-worn. Jagshemash, eetsa nice, etc. - it was like an SNL movie
2) Too much Jackass-level grossout humor (although Jackass is ok when that's what you're in the mood for)
3) Too much straight-up meanness
4) Most of the better scenes, i.e. the rodeo, were spoiled in advance by reviews (not the movie's fault, of course)
5) All of the good parts would have been just fine as bits in the show. The attempts to hold this together as a movie (the 'plot', the producer character, all scenes involing only actors) fell flat.
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 13 November 2006 03:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Monday, 13 November 2006 03:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 13 November 2006 03:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― aesthetically pleasing, in other words 'fly' (kenan), Monday, 13 November 2006 03:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― aesthetically pleasing, in other words 'fly' (kenan), Monday, 13 November 2006 03:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 13 November 2006 05:12 (seventeen years ago) link
Yawn.
― StanM (StanM), Monday, 13 November 2006 09:29 (seventeen years ago) link
WAHT? THE HORSE WAS NOT UPSET BY HIS DESECRATION OF THE NATIONAL ANTHEM?
― ledge (ledge), Monday, 13 November 2006 09:54 (seventeen years ago) link
Robert Downey Sr's Putney Swope?
The per-screen average falling by 2/3 essentially shows that ppl who thought the studio goofed by opening it in "only" 800 theaters are likely fulla shit.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 13 November 2006 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 13 November 2006 14:33 (seventeen years ago) link
but no, i saw an interview later - she was in some other movie.
fooled again.
― beeble (beeble), Monday, 13 November 2006 15:16 (seventeen years ago) link
Even more intriguing are hints that scripted elements were used, along with professional camerawork, all in an effort to make sure the scene went off perfectly.
PROFESSIONAL camerwork, you say?!
jeez, we can add these guys to teh douchebags list.
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 13 November 2006 15:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 13 November 2006 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link
The plot itself is obviously 'not real' - its merely a framework on which to hang the improvised scenes. The prostitute's involvement in the plot wasn't "real" but there was some question as to whether her initial appearance was. As it turned out, she was an actress but I don't think anyone was confused as to her falling in love with Borat being fictional.
Nonetheless the scenes of them 'out on the town' appeared as if they were filmed 'in reality'
― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 13 November 2006 15:44 (seventeen years ago) link
You've clearly never known any frat boys.
― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link
As Sacha Baron Cohen’s pig and pony show continues to rake in the disposable income of an indiscriminate North American demographic
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link
"When Sacha Baron Cohen wanted a village to represent the impoverished Kazakh home of his character Borat, he found the perfect place in Glod: a remote mountain outpost with no sewerage or running water and where locals eke out meagre livings peddling scrap iron or working patches of land.
But now the villagers of this tiny, close-knit community have angrily accused the comedian of exploiting them, after discovering his new blockbuster film portrays them as a backward group of rapists, abortionists and prostitutes, who happily engage in casual incest.
They claim film-makers lied to them about the true nature of the project, which they believed would be a documentary about their hardship, rather than a comedy mocking their poverty and isolation.
Villagers say they were paid just £3 each for this humiliation, for a film that took around £27million at the worldwide box office in its first week of release.
It's a feeling Glod is used to. The village, like others in the Dambovita region of Romania, is populated mainly by gipsies who say they are discriminated against by the rest of the country.
Luca, who now refers to Baron Cohen as to the 'ugly, tall, moustachioed American man', even though the 35-year-old comedian is British, said: 'They paid my family £30 for four full days. They were nice and friendly, but we could not understand a single word they were saying.
'It was very uncomfortable at the end and there was animal manure all over our home. We endured it because we are poor and badly needed the money, but now we realise we were cheated and taken advantage of in the worst way."
So Sacha jewed the gypsies and american liberals applaud.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23374170-details/Borat%20film%20'tricked'%20poor%20village%20actors/article.do
― wostyntje (wostyntje), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:28 (seventeen years ago) link
Haha you can't make this stuff up can you?
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link
I'll Jew you, fuckhead.
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link
Wow, so 'edgy' and 'subversive'
― wostyntje (wostyntje), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― aesthetically pleasing, in other words 'fly' (kenan), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
Do we even have to ask?
― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link
>Do we even have to ask?
because I'm to only anti-semite on the internet.
― wostyntje (wostyntje), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link
-- kingfish prætor (jdsalmo...), November 13th, 2006.
http://www.hoopla.org/KenBrown/Notes/Fun/images/N-123.jpg
― latebloomer: not to be confused with the dolphin from Seaquest DSV (latebloomer), Monday, 13 November 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:05 (seventeen years ago) link
― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― bo janglin (dubplatestyle), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Monday, 13 November 2006 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 01:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link
-- bo janglin (wt...), November 13th, 2006 10:06 AM. (dubplatestyle) (later) (link)
we should hang out
― gbx (skowly), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 01:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 01:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― nate p. (natepatrin), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 01:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― nate p. (natepatrin), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 02:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― Zwan (miccio), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 02:09 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.playfuls.com/news_0003273_Borats_Face_Punched_in_NY_by_Joke_Victim.html
― am0n (am0n), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link
No, it's before your time, sonny.
― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link
i say 1. the dudes playing dice in atlanta and 2. the people (not the politicians) at the revival church
― geoff (gcannon), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link
I don't know why exactly but HAHAHAHA.
― stoked for the madness (nickalicious), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― geoff (gcannon), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link
thats cause they're from newton where people know how to be magnanimous n shit
― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:27 (seventeen years ago) link
-- geoff (gffcnn...), November 14th, 2006.
One of the points my wife (who is not American) raised is that for the most part Borat reveals Americans to be very nice, tolerant, patient people (the ones that aren't out to hang homosexuals, anyway)
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Tuesday, 14 November 2006 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link
You can put me in with the "laughed all the way through but still kind of let down" crowd.
The Slate article on the anti-Semitic content was pretty OTM in my opinion. I just found the anti-Semitic caricatures of throwing money at shape-shifted-Jews-as-cockroaches and the grainy footage of the "running of the Jews" so over the top and unrealistic that they fell flat in a film which was lauded for exposing real-life bigotry lying below the surface of American culture. Borat's other displays of bigotry seem so subtle in comparison that the anti-Semitic parts just weren't funny. They came off as fucked up in a way that "but SBC is Jewish!" can't explain away.
And while the "Whorat" entry is written in a totally douchebag way, I agree with most of the sentiment behind it. I really hated the ways that the lines between staged and OMG-REAL were blurred. To me, the HBO Borat (as well as Ali G and Bruno) works so well because the formula is consistent. SBC plays a character that catches his subjects off-guard and we all get teh funny.
All of the shit that had to be inserted into the film to give it a weak semblance of story weakened the whole thing in the end. Is it so hard to find three frat boys who will say embarrassing things on camera that you have to rent an RV for them to do it in and coach them on their idiocy before the cameras start rolling? How much harder would it have been to hire a real prostitute and invite her to the dinner party and have her accompany Borat out on the town afterward?
I confess to having a huge stick up my ass for the last couple of years about this type of "staged reality" on talk shows and reality shows and possibly expecting too much from a full-length Borat project. And while I respect the need to one-up the HBO segments for the jump to the big screen, I just found all the Larry Charles "wacky story line" shit to be so out of place to me. SBC gets teh funny so perfectly and originally without it.
Side note: I am very fascinated by the fact that the one group of subjects in the film which the press has not been able to track down is the group of Mortgage Brokers. And not only because this was the segment at which I laughed the hardest. The fact that the crew’s cameras were fixed on the doors which the Producer and Borat ran in through mixed with the fact that this group hasn’t yet been in the press with a lawsuit or complaints, (unlike almost everyone else save for a few random NYCers???) leads me to believe that they were in on it. However, it’s hard to believe that they paid a ballroom full of extras and only went that far with the joke. Also, after working in event services in major hotels for the last few years, I wouldn’t doubt it if the real-life hotel in question made enormous concessions to the real-life association in exchange to but the kibosh on the whole thing in order to save face.
― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 02:38 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm with you there! It's an amazing punchline for an amazing sequence, and I've been wondering about it myself.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 November 2006 04:44 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/sacha_baron_cohen_the_real_borat_finally_speaks
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 November 2006 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link
I feel like folks still aren't getting how this works; they have them sign a release form after the fact.
― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:31 (seventeen years ago) link
I understand that part.
But I've been around enough association dinners to know that the INSTANT an unexpected camera crew enters the premesis, they will be asked to leave. It's the fact that they had footage of the dinner prior to the interruption and that the camereas were fixed on the very door that the two burst in through BEFORE they did so (mixed with the fact that the hotel/ association have not been in the press unlike the rest of the subjects) that leads me to believe it might have been staged. A shot following the two down a corridor and then into the ballroom (think: the camera angle in every chase on COPS ever) would make much more sense if it were a real dinner that suffered a real interruption.
― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link
But there's definatley at LEAST three hundred people in there. Its amazing that no one has been able to get a hold of a single one of them.
― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link
srsly?!?!
― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link
jesus, glad i didn't click that link yet
― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 16 November 2006 20:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 16 November 2006 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link
― i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Thursday, 16 November 2006 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 16 November 2006 21:04 (seventeen years ago) link
― I'm sorry I love that JoJo Dancer thing (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 November 2006 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Thursday, 16 November 2006 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link
He seems like a horrible choice for this assignment though, wrt his own history of profiting from deception.
― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 16 November 2006 21:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 16 November 2006 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link
Not pain-inducing enough.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 November 2006 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 16 November 2006 21:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 17 November 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 November 2006 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Friday, 17 November 2006 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 17 November 2006 22:27 (seventeen years ago) link
This thing's already made like $135 million or so.
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 20 November 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 20 November 2006 17:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 17:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 20 November 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 20 November 2006 19:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― mahalo 4 ur kokua (grady), Monday, 20 November 2006 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 20 November 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link
Geez, Borat and The Departed are the only two I've seen in the b.o. Top Seventy.
The writers speak (descrip from Cinematical):
There are juicy tidbits .. about what was really supposed to happen when the Black prostitute showed up at the dinner party (she and Borat were supposed to have loud sex in the bathroom and then get thrown out, but the white folks jumped the gun by freaking out over a Black woman coming in their house and kicked them out early) and who saved the rodeo tapes from a mob of pissed-off rednecks by putting them down his underwear.
http://www.wga.org/writtenby/writtenbysub.aspx?id=2274
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 17:12 (seventeen years ago) link
speaks volumes abt the writer's intentions and basic ineptitude.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 18:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 12 January 2007 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link
My 8th grade Hebrew school teacher?
― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Friday, 12 January 2007 03:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mark G, Monday, 19 March 2007 11:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― Tuomas, Monday, 19 March 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Mark G, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― nickalicious, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― jaymc, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 14:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Okay I finally saw this movie last night. I have a sore throat from the shrieking laughter.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 21 February 2008 18:52 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, when I saw it, it was about as close as I've seen to people literally rolling in the aisles.
― o. nate, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:20 (sixteen years ago) link
How's the deleted stuff?
The deleted stuff ranges from incredibly hysterical to "omg America sux".
― HI DERE, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Okay, that footage need to see.
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:21 (sixteen years ago) link
*I* need to see, etc.
The funniest is a tossup between him going through a supermarket, getting a massage (!) and attempting to adopt a dog (!!!!). The "omg America sux" involves the amount of hassle they got from the police when they weren't doing anything wrong and the ferocious spin-doctoring of the rodeo event on that town's local news.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:24 (sixteen years ago) link
The supermarket and massage bits kill me every single time.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:25 (sixteen years ago) link
"And what is this?"
― HI DERE, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link
I'm with you, I've never seen a cinema full of people have such a raucuos reaction to a comedy. It made it a much better communal experience than going to the pictures normally is.
― chap, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link
That wrestling scene is one of the most ungodly, unbelievable things I have ever seen.
Also the reaction to "You mean to tell me that the man who tried to put a rubber fist in my anus was a homosexual?????" was priceless.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link
It was mentioned upthread, but the fact that the manager didn't require any black censorship bars still amuses me.
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:30 (sixteen years ago) link
I watched it again recently. The wrestling scene is still awesome. The looks on those ladies faces when they get into the elevator naked and holding the rubber fist? Awesome.
― ENBB, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:36 (sixteen years ago) link
wrestling thing is the funniest scene in the film. that and running gag with the chicken in the suitcase. the rest = eh.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link
Shakey you are completely high.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:39 (sixteen years ago) link
I kinda wish I was but I'm at work
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:40 (sixteen years ago) link
All of the interviews/encounters are awesome, particularly the intercutting between the etiquette lesson and the horrifying meal with the Southern society folk and the brief politician interviews. And the speed with which those frat boys pwned themselves on camera!
― HI DERE, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:42 (sixteen years ago) link
"Did the retard get loose?"
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:43 (sixteen years ago) link
And lest we forget, POO IN A BAG.
― chap, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:43 (sixteen years ago) link
eh makin fratboys look stupid is shooting fish in a barrel
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:44 (sixteen years ago) link
ditto uptight aristocrats
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link
wtf @ shakey
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:45 (sixteen years ago) link
yard sale bit is great ("i will look upon your things gypsy")
oh also "I follow the hawk" line = funny
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:46 (sixteen years ago) link
I think the point is that the fratboys made themselves look incredibly stupid with pretty much 0 help from Borat. The aristos didn't look stupid, just incredibly uncomfortable and struggling to be understanding and gracious until the prostitute showed up. (Screamingly funny bit: when the pro walks in and the pastor goes, "Okay, it's time for me to go.")
The entire thing with the bear was awesome, too, ESP. the punchline.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:47 (sixteen years ago) link
Dan were you previously unaware that fratboys are stupid or something
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:48 (sixteen years ago) link
Shakey were you aware that shut the fuck up
― HI DERE, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link
lolz
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link
^_^
― HI DERE, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:50 (sixteen years ago) link
The whole "retard" v. "retired" thing is amazing.
Also, I don't know why but I LOVE when he throws down his bag and you hear the chicken.
― ENBB, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:52 (sixteen years ago) link
The bear punchline made us go "Nooooo!"
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:53 (sixteen years ago) link
comedy is only funny when you learn new things dan
― s1ocki, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:54 (sixteen years ago) link
when he throws down his bag and you hear the chicken.
^^^YES this is what I was referring to
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 21 February 2008 19:59 (sixteen years ago) link
On second viewing it was probably this and the bit with the car salesman where he's mimicking his wife's voice all low pitched "BORAT BORAT" that I laughed hardest at.
― nickalicious, Thursday, 21 February 2008 20:01 (sixteen years ago) link
The running of the Jew gag was horrifying but funny, but even better was the payoff with the "We're Christian now!" follow-on gag.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 21 February 2008 20:04 (sixteen years ago) link
people were roffling hardcore in the theater when i saw this, but there were a few magical moments when everybody was just hushed for a second cos they could not believe what was in front of them ~~ next level
― gff, Thursday, 21 February 2008 20:05 (sixteen years ago) link
^ Yes. Oh and by the way, when I said I watched this recently it happened to be with my DAD! Thankfully he thought it was hysterical and was laughing so hard he could hardly breathe.
― ENBB, Thursday, 21 February 2008 20:07 (sixteen years ago) link
My grandma is a HUGE fan of the Borat segments on Da Ali G Show.
― nickalicious, Thursday, 21 February 2008 20:08 (sixteen years ago) link
She hasn't seen the movie yet, though.
I think I was most uncomfortable when Amamat (sp?) was jerking off to the Pam pics right before the wrestling seen. It wasn't as bad as the time we watched Chris Rock together though. I nearly died when he was doing the whole "smack her with a dick" thing.
― ENBB, Thursday, 21 February 2008 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link
Grrr. I meant "Azamat" which probably isn't right either.
Another one to avoid watching with parents/grandparents etc.? Bad Santa. Oy.
― ENBB, Thursday, 21 February 2008 20:13 (sixteen years ago) link
also, "scene". I give up.
― ENBB, Thursday, 21 February 2008 20:15 (sixteen years ago) link
"Pamela I am no longer attracted to you... NOT!!!"
― HI DERE, Thursday, 21 February 2008 20:40 (sixteen years ago) link
So, did anyone see the Storyville 'When Borat came to town' last night? I really loved it. i t was exploitative as all hell. Why didn't they turn the cameras off when the the chaps were trying to submit their deposition at Fox's offices? That was potentially ruinous for them.
― Shacknasty (Frogman Henry), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 14:31 (fifteen years ago) link
this is fucking rubbish
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Sunday, 12 April 2009 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link
not "relevant" huh
― Dr Morbius, Sunday, 12 April 2009 21:02 (fifteen years ago) link
I REALLY didn't care for this movie. I found it a lot more depressing than funny. And I feel bad for the poor newscaster that lost her job because of the weather report scene.
If police were called on SBC/Borat 91 times, why didn't he ever get arrested? Just out of the blue attacking Pamela Anderson in a crowded Virgin Megastore like that and he's being taken away in handcuffs and he gets off scot-free?
― Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 14 April 2009 02:06 (fifteen years ago) link
that pamela anderson incident was staged dude
― A Very Powerful Whale Runs To Heaven (latebloomer), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 02:23 (fifteen years ago) link
yah check out loose change dot com to see how
― rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 02:53 (fifteen years ago) link
do ya thing snrub
― the sultan of ban (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 14 April 2009 02:56 (fifteen years ago) link
really?
― schlomo replay (acoleuthic), Wednesday, 15 December 2010 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link
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― Neanderthal, Friday, 9 December 2016 00:13 (seven years ago) link
Jason Woliner to direct Borat moviefilm, surprise drop during Trump / Biden debate
― Un-fooled and placid (sic), Friday, 23 October 2020 05:50 (three years ago) link
Tbh it's always irked me that SBC didn't simply invent a country of origin for the character.
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Friday, 23 October 2020 22:51 (three years ago) link
yeah, would have been better to have a Molvanîa or Syldavia style fake country from the jump - or even to rebrand with the first film
new movie is way more hilair than cringe though, kept being bummed that I couldn't see it in a full theatre, or that Morbs would yell at me for posting that it is hilair
― Un-fooled and placid (sic), Friday, 23 October 2020 23:02 (three years ago) link
I thought it had its moments, chuckled once or twice. Points for doubling down on sheer audacity (debutante ball, Holocaust survivors), I guess. I liked the last five minutes best.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 October 2020 02:33 (three years ago) link
There were a couple of amazing lol moments but overall felt like they didn't get enough secret footage and had too create too much "story".
Giuliani footage was definitely creepy even if somewhat contrived.
― the colour out of space (is the place) (PBKR), Saturday, 24 October 2020 02:55 (three years ago) link
yeah otm re:secret footage and story. agree that this had some laughs but felt like neither fish nor fowl. I would have preferred if it was all hidden cam/prank stuff (even if didnt all hold together with a coherent story), or if they just went all-in on making a narrative film that didnt interact with the 'real' world at all - most of the laughs for me were all from lines and bits during the 'story' parts anyway. the reality-doc conceit seems to have outlived its usefulness.
i thought the actress playing his daughter was really good, funnier than him most of the time in their scenes together tbh. (on that note, giuliani obviously just tucking in his shirt but w/e, still a dirtymind creep in that scene.)
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Saturday, 24 October 2020 03:11 (three years ago) link
By the way, any guess what the set up pitch to hang with the Qanon dudes could have been, to explain the cameras? Those guys seemed too good to be true.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 October 2020 04:04 (three years ago) link
p sure they were actors - it's not plausible that they'd take in a complete stranger AND a film crew during the pandemic, especially for five days.
― Un-fooled and placid (sic), Saturday, 24 October 2020 05:02 (three years ago) link
I think the story element is key to this*. He seems to have only been motivated to make another Borat in order to be about the intersection of Trumpism / QAnon / child trafficking / sexual exploitation by male power structures, not because he had a strong motivation to use the character for a bunch of unconnected prank sketches. Nearly every setpiece runs on those themes, and most of them lead to another sequence, instead of being lightly strung together with B-roll of his car driving (or w/e it was in the first one?). *first movie credited four w/ screenplay, three of those +1 on story, and 8 longtime comedy writers get "thanks" for, presumably, punch-up or breaking story in a writers' room. new one has the same four on screenplay, plus another four on screenplay, three of those +1 on story, and at least 31 notable comedy writers, many of whom are major studio directors or TV showrunners, in the "thanks."
― Un-fooled and placid (sic), Saturday, 24 October 2020 07:02 (three years ago) link
the intersection of Trumpism / QAnon / child trafficking / sexual exploitation by male power structures
In some ways it is (ironically) kind of subtle about this, imo. For example, it takes plenty of shots at Trump, but they're almost always fleeting or indirect by way of those themes you underscored. Which is to say, it's kind of a bait and switch, in that Trump looms over the whole thing (like everything) so you think he's the ultimate target, but it's not really about Trump. In that sense it's probably prescient, and certainly ahead of the curve, in illustrating what will surely be the enduring, pervasive problem of Trumpism itself, even when the man himself is gone.
The thing I mentioned about the QAnon guys being too good to be true, it really would have been great if they *were* real (assuming they aren't). I don't remember much about the first movie, but I do remember it showing, however unintentionally, that ignorant or uneducated or horrible people in the end can still be generous, friendly, patient and polite even in the face of Cohen's exploitation of said characteristics for laughs. In this one, you get the babysitter and the Holocaust survivors as moral anchors, and also the hapless but patient guys at the cell phone place and the FAX station. Could he really have found an equivalent kindness or acceptance among the armed right wing loonies, or is the level of anger and distrust too great? I have no idea. Certainly the All Gas, No Brakes guy is kind of doing his own Borat in that atmosphere, but he's threatened all the time in his bits, iirc.
Incidentally, now I'm wondering who else must/might have been "in on it." Certainly after the fact, since there weren't many blurred faces. But the babysitter ... was she a set up? I wish not, but same thing, how did they explain the cameras?
My favorite joke, by the way, was one that was off camera, when that person had to count out $20,000 in small bills.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 October 2020 13:11 (three years ago) link
this didn't do much for me
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 24 October 2020 13:56 (three years ago) link
My wife kept asking about the cameras and my assumption is that the cameras are so small in 2020 that they were hidden. Is that a dumb assumption given the quality of the footage?
Regardless, the more I thought about this the less I liked it. It's only strength is in showing the regressive elements (Q, anti-semitism, anti-science, etc.) lying barely below American conservatism, which isn't much of a strength given you can just read Trump's twitter feed instead. And yes, AGNB does this straighter, better, with more humor and humanity.
― the colour out of space (is the place) (PBKR), Saturday, 24 October 2020 13:56 (three years ago) link
the whole thing of the first one was seeing mask off racism in America, which...uh... isn't exactly novel these days
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 24 October 2020 14:01 (three years ago) link
i was going to watch this but apparently it's only available to amazon prime members?
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Saturday, 24 October 2020 14:11 (three years ago) link
I won't see this as I dislike the reactionary comedian sasha baron cohen and his racist character borat but sic's description sounds like they better realised the part that really sunk the first film for me (aside from just not finding it that funny, after the insane 'most hilarious film ever made, you will throw up your spleen with mirth' critical hyperbole) - the plausible deniability irony cloak relies so much on the ambush comedy aspect but the biggest chunk is the story part so the audience is mainly laughing at *extremely brown guy voice* maaaa waaf lol I'm a barbaric Asian who hates women and Jews wawaweewa but fyi there is no racial aspect to this please never look up the demographics of Kazakhstan on wikipedia yeah baby yeah
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Saturday, 24 October 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link
Borat is a racist depiction?
Speaking of which, there were the usual specific warnings under the rating as the movie started, and they included "Sexuality, drug use, foul language, nudity, blackface." Was there drug use? Was there blackface?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 October 2020 14:32 (three years ago) link
buddy
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Saturday, 24 October 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link
I meant literally, as it's (still too) commonly depicted. Oh, wait, there's the picture of Trudeau! That's why the warning is there.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 October 2020 14:46 (three years ago) link
The blackface was the Justin Trudeau picture.
― Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Saturday, 24 October 2020 14:47 (three years ago) link
wins otm
― scampus milne (gyac), Saturday, 24 October 2020 14:48 (three years ago) link
I mean clearly there is a US/UK divide here given the confused face ppl are making when we bring this up, but if you look at the thread ‘borat upsetting people’ this isn’t new. Can’t think of a single reason Americans might have a blind spot here obv
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:04 (three years ago) link
Fun fact also, Cohen isn’t American he’s welsh
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:05 (three years ago) link
Welsh/Israeli, born in London.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:10 (three years ago) link
who thought he was American?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link
Got me.
Incidentally, while I have never been to Kazakhstan, I *have* been to Uzbekistan, which has I think somewhat similar demographics to Kazakhstan, and he (predictably) does not really look or sound like anyone I met there at all. He does, however, kind of remind me of the folks I met in Albania, who were among the nicest, friendliest, most welcoming people I've met anywhere. I never thought of his depiction as being specific enough to be racist, though it is a generally, generically offensive ethnic/foreigner/other stereotype. Like Balki in "Perfect Strangers."
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:19 (three years ago) link
Nobody thinks he’s American just stressing the point that Cohen will not at all be unaware of the context through which we view these things. And also like, having contempt for racist American “white trash” and also for the backwards inhabitants of a central Asian country, these are not at all difficult positions for an oxbridge Brit to hold simultaneously
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:21 (three years ago) link
The general, generic specific country of Kazakhstan
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:23 (three years ago) link
um....Balki was a stereotype
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link
One of these days I’ll let this board in to the problem with apu
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:27 (three years ago) link
xpost Balki was totally a stereotype! But a generic, generally offensive one. I think ostensibly he was from a fictional place in Greece? But there was absolutely nothing Greek about him. Whereas Apu is a very specific caricature of a very specific ethnicity. I suspect Sacha Baron Cohen picked Kazakhstan because most people know absolutely nothing about Kazakhstan, so any caricature would do.I don't know, they're all offensive. That's the whole point.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:33 (three years ago) link
phew!
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:35 (three years ago) link
seems relevant:
https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20161028-what-kazakhstan-really-thought-of-borat
― president of my cat (Karl Malone), Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:51 (three years ago) link
I had never read this before and what the fuck
The isolated Romanian village of Glod had been picked to stand in for Borat’s home town – and Borat’s ‘neighbours’ are actually Roma, the people who Borat derides as “gypsies” throughout the rest of the movie.
― scampus milne (gyac), Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:59 (three years ago) link
i would say about 70% of new movie...
... is nice
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 24 October 2020 16:02 (three years ago) link
xpost Good article, thanks.
An interesting and germane anecdote for the thread. My daughter and I watched "Blazing Saddles" a few weeks ago. Obviously the intent of that movie *is* to offend, it's sort of the grandaddy of that sort of comedy. But when Mel Brooks showed up as a Yiddish-speaking Native American, that's where my daughter flat out said "that's inappropriate, it's cultural appropriation." I found it interesting that *that* was the one moment of being intentionally offensive that she found unforgivably offensive. I tried to contextualize it, the ridiculousness of the "Native Americans" clearly the Jews, with Brooks going full broad Catskills in Yiddish, but she wasn't quite buying it. Don't entirely know what to think of that, but good for her for being so aware as a teen.
And yet, we've been watching some Arrested Development, which I'd never regularly watched, and I am absolutely shocked at the persistent degree of cringe ironic racism, but my daughter hasn't said anything yet.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 October 2020 16:03 (three years ago) link
See also:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2006/nov/15/news
2xp
― pomenitul, Saturday, 24 October 2020 16:04 (three years ago) link
xpost yeah, the ironic racism is like a relic at this point
Excerpt from my L*tt*rb*xd review:
A lost transmission from the Mind of Mencia era to our strange new world. Just tonally different than, like, every piece of comedy made in the last half decade. Like hearing a new Pussycat Dolls song or something.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 24 October 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link
Nobody thinks he’s American just stressing the point that Cohen will not at all be unaware of the context through which we view these things. And also like, having contempt for racist American “white trash” and also for the backwards inhabitants of a central Asian country, these are not at all difficult positions for an oxbridge Brit to hold simultaneously― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:21 (forty-five minutes ago) link
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Saturday, 24 October 2020 15:21 (forty-five minutes ago) link
Otm. ‘Borat’ is contemptible.
― treeship., Saturday, 24 October 2020 16:09 (three years ago) link
xpost yeah, the ironic racism is like a relic at this pointExcerpt from my L*tt*rb*xd review:A lost transmission from the Mind of Mencia era to our strange new world. Just tonally different than, like, every piece of comedy made in the last half decade. Like hearing a new Pussycat Dolls song or something.
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Saturday, 24 October 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
South Park actually had a really good reckoning with City Wok guy a few seasons ago
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 24 October 2020 16:27 (three years ago) link
lol good for them. Did they decide herro egg flied lice was good or bad in the end
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Saturday, 24 October 2020 16:29 (three years ago) link
I wish I could find the clip online, it's p great. Season 19, ep 3 if you're bored
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 24 October 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link
Not gonna look that up so I can only imagine what conclusion they draw after much soul searching, given our conclusion 5 minutes ago that racism is bad
― Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Saturday, 24 October 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link
I mean clearly there is a US/UK divide here
My God, yes, I can't believe in 2020 anyone's giving this loathsome arsehole any credit whatsoever. By the way, he isn't "Welsh/Israeli", he's English, just another privileged public school/Oxbridge twat of the type people in the UK are only too familiar with. Lest we forget:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/mar/17/punching-down-sacha-baron-cohen-and-working-class-cinema
― Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Saturday, 24 October 2020 16:46 (three years ago) link
public school
This will never not be weird to me.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 24 October 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link
public schools means something different in the uk, pom
― brimstead, Saturday, 24 October 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link
I know.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 24 October 2020 17:07 (three years ago) link
And maths are pluralized.
Welsh/Israeli
He may be public school twat, but ... wasn't his dad Welsh and his mom Israeli?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 October 2020 17:08 (three years ago) link
English Public Schools: Lord Snooty + Billy Bunter + the compulsory wearing of blazers. American Public Schools: Bash Street Kids + compulsory wearing of military-standard body armour.
― calzino, Saturday, 24 October 2020 17:12 (three years ago) link
I disagree with you all, I found it to be quite masterful.
― akm, Saturday, 24 October 2020 17:25 (three years ago) link
And he's English. His father grew up in Wales but is English too.
― Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Saturday, 24 October 2020 17:27 (three years ago) link
Whiney's "lost transmission" otm. Honestly the thing that caught me most off guard and really made it feel like something from another time is that he really cant seem to shake the gay-panic elements out of that character. All the peepee-poopoo-vagine jokes obviously feel like a relic from teen comedies of another era, but theres also a baseline homophobia to a lot of grossout stuff and its weird to me that Cohen still goes there.
Like obviously rudy's hand in the pants is the big news story, but as its depicted in the movie the part of the scene thats clearly intended to be the actual punchline, the big climactic "i cant believe he went there" belly laugh for the finale, wasnt rudy trying to fuck a reporter, but borat bursting in dressed in a bra and panties talking about having gay sex.
And like I get that a lot of those kinds of jokes are intended to be confronting bigots with extreme versions of their stereotypical fears or whatever. But idk, theres also no getting around the fact that at some level we're also clearly supposed to be laughing at the 'ridiculousness' of this guy, this craaazy coocoo-for-cocoapuffs Borat guy who's just so outrageous, talking about having sex with another guy, like can you even believe it folks??
Right after watching this we watched Dave Chappelle on the new Letterman show and he talked about the famous moment when he decided to quit Chappele's Show when he realized he was he was deluding himself about fighting racism while literally dressed up in minstrel makeup for white people to laugh at, it felt like kind of the same thing. I dont know if Cohen is as in-control of the satire as he thinks he is.
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Saturday, 24 October 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link
And yet, we've been watching some Arrested Development, which I'd never regularly watched, and I am absolutely shocked at the persistent degree of cringe ironic racism, but my daughter hasn't said anything yet.― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, October 24, 2020 12:03 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, October 24, 2020 12:03 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
there was a lot of "ironic racism" in the 00's but borat took it to a new fucked up level by exploiting actual villagers in Romania, many of whom felt humiliated byhis portrayal of them:
https://abcnews.go.com/International/Entertainment/story?id=2659018&page=1#:~:text=The%20Romanian%20village%20of%20Glod,Cohen%20and%20his%20production%20company.
his sanctimonious excuse for this type of behavior -- that he is simply "exposing" the racial hatred of the american proletariat -- makes it worse.
― treeship., Saturday, 24 October 2020 18:24 (three years ago) link
And like I get that a lot of those kinds of jokes are intended to be confronting bigots with extreme versions of their stereotypical fears or whatever.
like i said, if anything, this aspect of borat makes it even more unbearable. he is profiting from racist and homophobic humor and yet retains the moral high ground by scapegoating his targets. and in the first borat, like, half of the people he targeted were actually bigoted iirc and the other half were just baffled by his antics and trying to be polite.
― treeship., Saturday, 24 October 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link
if he was just a racist comedian, like jeff dunham or something, he would be safely and rightly ignored. but instead he does the equivalent of the jeff dunham terrorist puppet routine but then goes around and gets interviewed by npr and the new york times and calmly explains that his purpose was to highlight the prejudice of american society -- that he has come to teach us, and to shame us. it's sociopathic basically.
― treeship., Saturday, 24 October 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link
like what if an ilxor did that? like if someone came on here with a sockpuppet of an offensive stereotype that made everyone uncomfortable, and then when the rouse was discovered said that the problem was really with us. how did we not know it was fake right away? it shows your prejudice and ignorance! and it reveals my genius! it's just crazy.
― treeship., Saturday, 24 October 2020 18:32 (three years ago) link
*ruse
half of the people he targeted were actually bigoted iirc and the other half were just baffled by his antics and trying to be polite.
I think Nathan For You made a lot of SBC's shock-doc type stuff obsolete for me by showing how it can be much, much funnier (and more insightful) to show people being nice beyond all reasonable expectations than to bait people into showing their "true selves", which is what SBC imagines he is doing. see also: one of the funnier jokes mentioned upthread, the lady being totally unfazed about being paid $20k in a duffel bag.
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Saturday, 24 October 2020 18:39 (three years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Saturday, 24 October 2020 18:40 (three years ago) link
I dont know if Cohen is as in-control of the satire as he thinks he is.
This is the/a problem I've always had with him. It's so sloppy and lazy, like if he has a choice between the broad easy joke and the smart subtle joke, he'll almost always go broad and easy, maybe because the smart subtle joke takes too much work or may not get as many quick laffs. I think someone like Iannucci is better at the smart and subtle (maybe sometimes to a fault, as The Death of Stalin wasn't exactly funny), or someone like Chris Morris and "Four Lions." But Cohen just can't help himself. I remember many years ago being with my brother in law in Sydney, and everyone else was out so we decided to rent a movie and got the Ali G movie, since we'd seen bits and pieces of the bit. And it was just so bad and not funny, and I thought, huh, I thought this guy was supposed to be sharp. If memory serves, it starts with a dog waking him up by licking his balls, and I thought, really? That's what you're going for, even as this character?
Anyway, Nathan For You cracking the code is otm.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 October 2020 18:42 (three years ago) link
Mac Donald Trump
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 24 October 2020 18:43 (three years ago) link
"sup"
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Saturday, 24 October 2020 18:48 (three years ago) link
Ali G was p much always just "what if Dennis Pennis but racialist." The bit of the movie I saw seemed to remove the celebrity-rudeness Pennisisms and lean into being aimed entirely at 12-yo boys who wanted to giggle at the breaking of social norms.
Apparently SBC previously did the Borat schtick as Alexi Krickler from Moldova and Kristo Shqtipari, from Albania, so theory about him going for "funny" K-sounds confirmed, at least.
― Un-fooled and placid (sic), Saturday, 24 October 2020 19:09 (three years ago) link
wild horses could not drag me to see this
― imago, Saturday, 24 October 2020 19:18 (three years ago) link
damn he looks like freddie mercury in that albania clip
― global tetrahedron, Saturday, 24 October 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link
xpost What about two cows enticed by turnips?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 24 October 2020 19:31 (three years ago) link
SBC is a menace and a bad artist
― imago, Saturday, 24 October 2020 19:38 (three years ago) link
"wild horses could not drag me to see this" well good because it's a streaming film and not something in a theater
― akm, Saturday, 24 October 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link
More like a streamin' pile o shite
― calzino, Saturday, 24 October 2020 19:57 (three years ago) link
His widely published autism studies crank cousin needs pushing into the pit as well
― calzino, Saturday, 24 October 2020 19:59 (three years ago) link
this movie sucked... Grand Canyon University doesn't even offer a VCR repair program... I checked...
― the burrito that defined a generation, Saturday, 24 October 2020 20:05 (three years ago) link
Like obviously rudy's hand in the pants is the big news story, but as its depicted in the movie the part of the scene thats clearly intended to be the actual punchline, the big climactic "i cant believe he went there" belly laugh for the finale, wasnt rudy trying to fuck a reporter, but borat bursting in dressed in a bra and panties talking about having gay sex
agreed I think this guy is so sharp that it's really disappointing he just goes for grossout humor so often, kinda feels like he's just going "well this is what people know me for right?"
by and large I thought this was pretty funny though. the last 5 minutes were great. I did think it was a good idea to give the daughter so much screen time, she was really good. like most of you I spent a lot of the film trying to figure out who was an actor and who wasn't. thought a lot about this article I read a few years ago about Nathan For You, and all the steps they go through to get the footage they need. it mentioned SBC a lot and how he basically had an entire fake company whose only purpose was to set this up. the impression I got was that a lot of this was legit, but obviously the entire 'story' comes together in post
― frogbs, Sunday, 25 October 2020 01:21 (three years ago) link
Nathan is one of the "Thanks"ed ppl in the end credits
― Un-fooled and placid (sic), Sunday, 25 October 2020 01:41 (three years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/8TgCl39vwT— Poorly Aged Things (@PoorlyAgedStuff) October 24, 2020
― Un-fooled and placid (sic), Sunday, 25 October 2020 03:40 (three years ago) link
I think Nathan For You made a lot of SBC's shock-doc type stuff obsolete for me by showing how it can be much, much funnier (and more insightful) to show people being nice beyond all reasonable expectations than to bait people into showing their "true selves", which is what SBC imagines he is doing.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 25 October 2020 04:45 (three years ago) link
all the "topical" jokes in this were extremely cringey and awful (eg him taunting Giuliani with the "golden shower" remark, listing all the Trump ppl in prison etc), the best bits were the toilet humor and actually-funny ironic commentary on the alt-right, eg Borat's terror when he finds out via Facebook that the Holocaust "didn't happen". the daughter was impressively committed. overall I mildly regret watching
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Sunday, 25 October 2020 04:51 (three years ago) link
there's likely a good essay to be written about how and why jackass has aged better than SBC's toybox
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 25 October 2020 04:59 (three years ago) link
Because Jackass is pure.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 25 October 2020 13:10 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRGXq4t9wY4
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 26 October 2020 15:36 (three years ago) link
that's kind of brilliant, hats off
― it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Monday, 26 October 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link
I thought this was pretty good. I fell asleep near the beginning though and missed a good chunk of the daughter's makeover section; I did wake up in time for the father-daughter dance, which was glorious.
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 26 October 2020 19:11 (three years ago) link
I really loved the QAnon guys telling him his ideas about women made no sense
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 26 October 2020 19:12 (three years ago) link
I really think Maria Bakalova deserves some kind of award for that dance scene.
― akm, Monday, 26 October 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link
Couldn't finish this one. It just feels like they are just baiting people throughout, and the fact that there are cameras everywhere seems to make everyone feel like they are in on some joke rather than having authentic reactions to all of SBC and MB's antics.
― DJI, Monday, 26 October 2020 21:58 (three years ago) link
watched SBC's interview on Colbert, some pretty crazy behind the scenes stories (and video of him having to flee the stage as "Country Steve" once people figure out who he is). though Colbert asks him about the QAnon dudes and what they thought about having a whole filming crew there and he kinda ducks the question, saying something like "oh they knew there was a crew there"...so did he just explain this was some documentary in a foreign country? how did they not know who Borat was?
― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link
fertility dance had me rolling on the floor Borat 1 style
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 17:28 (three years ago) link
xp Eh, its not super hard for me to believe that dumb old white guys in a weird cabin like that might not know who Borat is. If they weren't just straight-up actors, I feel like it must have been a case where they were just being paid something to host him for what they thought was a foreign TV show or something.
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 17:38 (three years ago) link
― DJI, Monday, October 26, 2020 5:58 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
i like this review, written by someone who was apparently frozen in amber since 2003 and then defrosted in 2020 to watch borat 2
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:07 (three years ago) link
the resistance-core SNL/Colbert style lib humour was too much for me; having Borat day “grab her by the pussy”... who is this for?
I feel like SBC really miscalculated the demographic game here; the humour is way too gleefully offensive for anyone who watches it to the end to give him credit for the cringey “feminist” ending. Should have just gone for the millenial “my wife”-guy irony crowd who grew up on The Ali G Show, instead of like, our parents who are glued to MSNBC. Also, the Giuliani gotcha is extremely underwhelming.
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:09 (three years ago) link
Should have just gone for the millenial “my wife”-guy irony crowd who grew up on The Ali G Show, instead of like, our parents who are glued to MSNBC.
tbf, Chappelle did this and the internet commentariat hates him now
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link
xp amber is a solid at room temperature though, so it wouldn't make sense to try and defrost it. heating it to a liquid might do the trick, but of course it would need to be done in a carefully controlled environment with vital signs monitored as the borat 2 reviewer emerges from suspended animation. so this is a tricky one
― the burrito that defined a generation, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:20 (three years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, October 28, 2020 3:15 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
good point. ive loved all his new stuff but Dave def went too far. it’s a hard needle to thread
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link
Chappelle genuinely has several dumb and retrograde opinions though, he's not trolling ironically
― Un-fooled and placid (sic), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:34 (three years ago) link
I don't know if I will watch this, but since it feels a bit like the critical tide turned against SBC sometime around or after the first movie, it is good to remember that, at his best, he was/is very very funny.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:45 (three years ago) link
someone upthread mentioned that Nathan Fielder is the king of this kind of comedy and I agree, mainly because he actually lets his marks reveal themselves as strange and often endearing characters rather than just yell "LÖÖK AHT MY ÀHNOOS" at unsuspecting copy clerks
I still think Ali G was one of the funniest series ever, it's strange that SBC thinks its because his characters are so funny and not because of the exasperated reactions from everyone he dealt with
― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:55 (three years ago) link
i disagree but i actual LOLd at LÖÖK AHT MY ÀHNOOS so im probably the wrong person
i love nathan obv but i think SBC is the GOAT, even if he’s fallen off lately, judged on full oeuvre
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:57 (three years ago) link
― Un-fooled and placid (sic), Wednesday, October 28, 2020 3:34 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
ya this is otm
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:58 (three years ago) link
When was the Ali G movie? 2002? That was such utter garbage that it was a wise move for him to forget about the UK and turn his attention to the US.
― Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:00 (three years ago) link
The UK famously unaccepting of wildly sub-par film spinoffs of TV comedies.
― Un-fooled and placid (sic), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:03 (three years ago) link
yeah I watched it at the age of 17 at a time when I thought Super Troopers was the funniest movie ever made and don't think I laughed a single time, it was stunningly unfunny, not only that but it was a premises that didn't even make any sense, like "hey what if we made a Jackass movie that's a fictionalized account of some epic college party?"
― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:05 (three years ago) link
(xp) Which tells you something about SBC's critical standing in the UK even 18 years ago.
― Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:07 (three years ago) link
forgot abt Ali G movie. abysmal. im like the only person who liked the dictator tho
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:33 (three years ago) link
No, I liked The Dictator
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:34 (three years ago) link
I thought it was funny, just kinda forgettable. was pretty amused by them giving a comedy about global politics a sitcom-level plot
― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:36 (three years ago) link
lol: https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/kazakhstan-tourism-campaign-borat-intl-hnk-scli/index.html
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:39 (three years ago) link
― flopson, Wednesday, October 28, 2020 7:07 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
For the first movie, I could at least consider the possibility that the victims had never heard of SBC. In 2020, it feels impossible.
― DJI, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 20:49 (three years ago) link
Liked 1st movie alright and the original segments in Ali G Show were awesome. Haven't seen the movie but seen couple clips of recent interviews and they're painful to watch. Just seems like such a hack bit now, he should retire the character. It def doesn't work when the interviewer and crowd are in on it and like they're watching an aging musician: "play 'Very Niiice' for us!!! Omg he said vajeen" etc
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:10 (three years ago) link
xp- i think they must have had some pre-screening procedure to identify people who somehow hasn’t heard of him? it’s hard to imagine some of them are just people playing along
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:13 (three years ago) link
The first part of the movie used a bunch of footage where people recognized the character and chased him down the street and it worked in that context because it felt like Borat was a real person whose initial exploits legit made him infamous in the US.
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:32 (three years ago) link
we might be over estimating how many people in Brandonville, Texas or wtv know/remember Borat is
― flopson, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:48 (three years ago) link
The Ali G film is weak but I liked the bit when the message between all the young guys gets mixed up as it passes along and that part with his dick falling out in his dream made me laugh as hard as anything ever has. I think I was laughing for a full 15 minutes.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 21:49 (three years ago) link
https://www.instagram.com/p/CHGL-emhxt9/
― cherry blossom, Monday, 2 November 2020 19:13 (three years ago) link
We tried to watch the new one and found it unwatchable. Bailed at the debutante ball scene. Not enough laughs to make up for the embarrassment. Jokes were hacky and didn’t land.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 21 November 2020 03:48 (three years ago) link
I found myself asking what we need this for -- a brit making a hamfisted attempt to show us the American heart of darkness through satire or whatever it was. And there's something very have-it-both-ways about the whole thing, getting to indulge in racism and sexism in order to "expose" racism and sexism (and often just bait people into appearing racist or sexist out of their own niceness and embarrassment). A revealing moment for me was the debutante stage-whispering to her father "this guy is so fucking gross." I thought that really disrupted SBC's smug "I'm revealing the horrors of this culture" schtick, where I'm sure he was trying to make some kind of point about the parallels between his cartoonish attempt to deliver his daughter as a gift and American conservatism or something. I don't think the daughters of wealthy southerner conservatives are being sold into sex slavery, I think they're mostly just fine.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 21 November 2020 04:22 (three years ago) link
Apparently the whole debutante ball thing was a scripted, staged scene with dozens of paid extras playing the attendees. Not that it makes any difference to the inherent unfunnyness of it all.
― everything, Saturday, 21 November 2020 04:58 (three years ago) link
I found myself asking what we need this for -- a brit making a hamfisted attempt to show us the American heart of darkness through satire or whatever it was.
"a jew who has lived in the USA for fifteen years" is possibly the more apposite descriptor here
― huge rant (sic), Saturday, 21 November 2020 05:03 (three years ago) link
― everything, Friday, November 20, 2020 11:58 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
fertility dance is the funniest scene in the whole movie
― flopson, Saturday, 21 November 2020 06:18 (three years ago) link
there's something very have-it-both-ways about the whole thing, getting to indulge in racism and sexism in order to "expose" racism and sexist
while i agree that Borat 2 sucks, this is true of everything SBC has ever done, a lot of which is v good
― flopson, Saturday, 21 November 2020 06:22 (three years ago) link
yeah I think you're right about that
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 21 November 2020 06:59 (three years ago) link
while i agree that Borat 2 sucks, this is true of everything SBC has ever done
― Left, Saturday, 21 November 2020 07:37 (three years ago) link
but the having it both ways thing seems to be a feature of almost all acclaimed adult comedy from around the late 90s until some point last decade
― Left, Saturday, 21 November 2020 07:48 (three years ago) link
“Your Kanye. He tried to move to Kazakhstan and even tried to change his name to Kazakhstan-ye West. But we said no. He’s too antisemitic even for us.”
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/dec/05/borat-targets-trump-ye-and-antisemitism-at-kennedy-center-honors
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 December 2022 23:52 (one year ago) link
lmao Borat at the Kennedy Center Honors what a vision
― G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Tuesday, 6 December 2022 00:06 (one year ago) link