Who among us does not like Nascar?

The thing that I don't like the most about NASCAR is that it's so microgoverned. Dale Junior getting points knocked off his standings just because he accidentally said "shit" on network television. What the fuck does that have to do with how well he performs in the "sport"? It'd be like Tim Duncan getting ten points taken off his last game because he criticized NBA officials afterward.

Say what you will about Bud Selig, but at least you don't have some family sitting on top of baseball, making and changing all the rules at a moment's whim.

Well, golf is certainly far more wasteful.. especially resorts in the desert. I love the game itself, but -- practically speaking -- it's the most resource wasting sport on the planet.. as far as upkeep and water is concerned. (although the terms "waste" and "resource" are very flexible, so any sport could be argued to be the worst, depending on how you stretch the terms.)

Anyway, this is why I prefer mini-golf.

I went to the second Winston Cup race at Texas Motor Speedway, with two or three hour-long delays because of wrecks and terrible track conditions. Then when they were actually running, I feel asleep. It's super-loud, but the way the engines rev in unison around the track is soothing and it was 100+ degrees and after two beers I was out like a light.

My thoughts/questions were always about the more obvious and icky bodily functions.

I grew up in the south.

I have no interest in NASCAR though. Watching corporate logos go in a circle for a couple hours is not my idea on entertainment.

I don't notice the sponsorship of basketball and baseball so much (though I hate selling the naming rights to city/state-financed stadiums), until the owners are dumb enough to plaster logos on uniforms. I'd probably be more turned off if I saw them live more often.

I don't think the gearhead factor is that big anymore - the 'cars' they race (Monte Carlos, Ford Tauruses or whatever the new equiv. is) aren't very cool. I'd say the chance of a wreck and the general bumpin-and-grindin is the major drive behind watching the sport.

You could say the same about bullfighting and rodeo.. although the degree of visual "wow"-ness associated with a crash can be seen as disturbingly obfuscating of the tragedy thereof... although this is something people *outside* the sport get more excited about when they see it in the news while those into the sport actually get sad about, I'd gather.

And I stress "I'd gather". Again, I've never even sat through a car race on TV once in my life... so I'll defer to the NASCAR people here instead to explain this.

I can see hardcore fans disliking wrecks (even while unconsciously liking the danger), but the casual fans who make up most of the audience are looking for excitement, which is served by crashes, and something that's often missing from F1.

I have no interest in NASCAR though. Watching corporate logos go in a circle for a couple hours is not my idea on entertainment.

Me too and me too.

I do get a kick out of some of the old footage circa Lee Petty. Some drivers would be in convertibles.

is there any cultural phenomenon that doesn't have naysayers like that? cf. the yakuza, black metal.

That said the best race last weekend was F1, especially the last lap. From a purist's perspective F1 is probably the most interesting class, but to anyone who doesn't follow auto racing it has to be the most boring. It's all strategy and technology, barely any passing. Speed here in the USA has some great announcers, even if they are Coulthard haters.

Does Depends have a NASCAR sponsorship program?

In the meantime, my brain balks at the idea of auto racing as a sport, because it doesn't seem to demand physical strength or endurance. However, I probably here am subscribing to a high-rockist concept of sports.

I haven't watched a whole lot of NASCAR for the last few years, or racing at all, for that matter. I'll watch the road course races and the restrictor plates, and occasionally Bristol, but that's it. NASCAR is suffering from the same problem baseball did in the 70s: every facility is the same. That, and there should be more than two road races.

Formula 1 has been abyssmal for quite a long time now, with exciting races coming 3-4 times a year in between long droughts where the winner leads 69 of 72 laps and has a 19 second lead on the competition. This year is slightly more exciting than others, because there's a different face with a commanding points lead instead of Schumacher. The IRL and CART both race some terrible street circuits (Detroit? yuck) and bad ovals, and really, they shouldn't even run ovals (sans Indy) due to how incredibly dangerous it is for racers and spectators. I love WRC, but that'll never get any interest in America, seeing as its all in a time trial style rather than actual "side by side" racing. Drag racing is really loud, but not horribly interesting. The other, smaller series basically are in the place of community theater or high school football for local entertainment.

On the whole "people watch it for the accidents" - Yeah, that's something people who don't watch or have interest in car racing say. Its akin to "people watch boxing for knockouts" (because Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard were so good at that), "people watch football for the violence," et al. Trying to understand why people like to watch cars go around a track in circles or freeform shapes is no different than trying to figure out why people like to see other people try to hit a stick with a ball or throw a ball through a hoop.

Most importantly, why?<

I should actually respond to this too.

Basically, it goes like this; throughout the history of racing, team owners have looked for ways to make money in ways other than merely the race purse. After all, there's no guarantee of winning, and no guarantee of getting paid. Unless you scratch someone's business on the side of the car. There's always been sponsorship in motorsport; whether it be factory teams at Le Mans or Indy, or some car dealership on the Beach in Daytona, to Craig Breedlove's Spirit of America having a Shell symbol emblazoned on the side. The Winston Cup and other major sponsors were the first to enter around the 70s (Pepsi, Levi Garrett, Budweiser, Wrangler, etc), and the number and types of sponsors has changed as the sport moved outside of its traditional southeastern US roots to a national audience.

The management of NASCAR itself also tries to cater to its audience, which is, for all intensive purposes, the Red State America (TM). Taking points away from a driver for cursing on national TV isn't a whole lot different than being threatened with banishment from the game for complaining about referees, so really its not NASCAR that has itself changed; its everything. Hell, ever watch Premier League? I have a strange hankering to get a wireless deal with Vodafone, all of a sudden...

Does Juan Pablo Montoya count?

I don't think it's out of line to say that people watch football for the big hits and hockey for the hits and fights too (or else ESPN has been completely wrong for 20 years). Basketball and baseball are low-contact/no-contact sports, so people watch for the big thrill there - a monster dunk or a monster home-run (also: bench-clearing brawls). The majority of people watching a sport, any sport, don't know much about it - they aren't hardcore, into the sport for its pure essence, etc..

Notice that the more weight he gains, the worse he does. By the time he hits 250, he'll be racing for Minardi.

Eep!

There's a huge difference, as I pointed out above. You can fine Jeff Van Gundy all you want, but his punishment won't actually affect the points earned during the game. It's not like Dwayne Wade can earn a technical foul for saying "shit" on camera, after the game.

This difference is what makes NASCAR seem so candy-assed.

using these shots as an example, I wouldn't say fat *yet*. But maybe by Malaysia.

I'd say telling him that if he does it again he'll be removed from the sport permanently is being slightly harsher than knocking off 20 points in an individual sport.

I wonder if something like this has ever affected tennis or cycling?

Was your point that F1 is physically demanding? I don't doubt that, but isn't the main reason why there aren't (m)any fat drivers that a car with less weight in it goes faster?
Racing around in an oval, making only left, banked, soft turns is lame.

Not interested, sorry.
Don't give a shit about wrestling, either.
-- The Sensational Sulk

I also tend to tie these things together, assuming you mean WWF or whatever fake wrestling is called now. Of course that's not to say they're equivalent, whereas racing is a sport that doesn't interest me but I can respect on some level, etc. etc. I just imagine there is a significant overlap in the audience/culture that, again, probably repulses me more than it really should.

I'm a big sports fan and participant, but it's hard for me to appreciate the athletic factor involved in motor sports, and I find the spectacle of NASCAR to be both dehumanizing and dull. The comment upthread about "corporate logos going around in a circle" pretty much sums up my experience of trying to sit through a televised race. It's sport devoid of personality and athleticism, with the emphasis instead on equipment and finance, the two aspects I find least interesting.

In an abstract sense, I guess, you can tell there's a human operating the machine and appreciate the skill of the driver, but you can't see and viscerally experience what he or she's doing. I know people who are really good at video games, or who can operate a drill press with great skill, but I don't find it entertaining to watch them do it.

DING DING DING! All of ILX to thread! Seriously? "Repulsed?" It's just a bunch of cars going around in a circle.

I bet there is a significant overlap of people that "hate" the WWF but, like, totally LOVE Mexican wrestling because it's just so CAMPY!

Don't like it? Don't watch it. hat0rz.

It's like that Chappelle skit: when you pass someone on the freeway you just yell "Gordon!"

It most certainly is. Its basically like running a marathon. NASCAR is fairly demanding as well. Oh sure, there's some 50 years olds out there too, but people play hockey till they're 45.

>No way!! Is each race seriously just left-turns and straightaways for hundreds of laps? Unbelievable. They ought to make a companion "bagging groceries" game, where if you avoid crushing the tomatoes for eight hours straight they give you a raise.<

NASCAR sim racing is a huge deal. Papyrus' sims have a cult around them (as do the related Grand Prix Legends and Indycar Racing series of games). Its actually pretty damn entertaining. Then again, I think RPGs are complete wastes of time, so what do I know?

Some threads on Ilx have one of these too, don't they?

-- Amateur(ist) (amateurist@gmail.com), May 31st, 2005.

they take a big dose of claritin before the race.

My thoughts/questions were always about the more obvious and icky bodily functions.

-- milozauckerman (wooderso...), May 31st, 2005.

but actually that's something I've wondered about all sports. Surely there's been a time when the quarterback just suddenly has to go with 3:15 on the clock down by 7.

-- milozauckerman (wooderso...), May 31st, 2005.

all athletes are secretly CYBORGS

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/?qid=20071119084732AA963dD

jesus christ somebody get the fucking tubgirl out of here I had managed not to see that for 8 fucking years on the internet fuck fuck fuck

Same here :(

nice going gabbneb >:[

hahahahahahahhaha so awesome. I forgot you started this thread gabberz.

http://www.citycynic.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/nascarlateshow9.JPG

Still a candy-assed "sport".

http://www.citycynic.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/nascarlateshow3.JPG

I got your useful right here.

Have you ever been to a race?

Yes. The Crown Royal Presents The Jim Stewart 400 and the Ford 400.

What is it like?

Very commercial and decadent. It has a bread & circus/GTA/low-budget/post-apocalyptic ambience. It's pretty great if you know the story lines and rent a scanner.

The air is horrible. It's a blend of burning rubber, evaporating gasoline, beer and dodgy festival food.

The tailgating areas and the Circus of Merchandise surrounding the track are like a "Warriors"-type gangbang/pow-wow with all the fans and their dogs decked out in their team's stuff. There is great hipster/Bipster fashion.

The fans are really nice. They are so folksy and Southern.

Are some tracks better than others?

Yes. Fan favorites are probably Darlington a/k/a the "Lady in Black" a/k/a the "Track Too Tough To Tame," Bristol and the restrictor plate tracks, Talladega and Daytona. The drivers seem to like Richmond.

Pocono is regarded perhaps as the most boring track a/k/a "The Triangle Too Tedious To Tolerate." There were a bunch of D-shaped ovals built around the same time that are called the Cookie Cutter Tracks

There are two road courses now, Sears Infineon in Sonoma and Watkins Glen. They also ran a Busch race on a Montreal road course last year. The road course races are very different and the teams sometimes sub road specialists for the usual oval track drivers.

(BTW, the "team" is actually the team running the car. The driver is really only one member of the team. Alan C. is OTM re: the athleticism involved in driving. The pit crew work is very physically challenging. Some pit crews include retired NFL players, college athletes, etc. doing the various roles.)

Do you have a favorite driver?

Yes. Martin Truex, Jr.

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Also, how did we get from simple "stock-car racing" to the corporate acronym/honorific?

We didn't. NASCAR is just one brand/sanctioning body for a particular stock car racing series. There are others.

NASCAR is fairly unique in that it is the only major sports acronym that can be pronounced as a word instead of pronouncing each letter.

It stands for National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing, in case you were wondering if cars were involved.

Is there something a little or more than a little creepy about how the image of the enterprise is manufactured, and the related restrictions placed upon the personalities?

No.

Most importantly, why?

Because Darrell Waltrip. Because aerodynamics and science. Because the running order banner at the top of the screen is nice and soothing, like the stock market ticker.

Because a lot of it is smart and funny. Williard's Garage gives star ratings to the invocations, flyovers and national anthems. The commercials are good. Because the organization is more committed to diversity than any other sport I can think of.

Even some New Yorkers like it:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/08/14/nyregion/spitz600.jpg

is it pronounced NASS-CAR or NOZ-CAR?

The former.

Or unless you are, peut-être, Formula
"Un" crossover Jacques Villeneuve.

http://images.askmen.com/men/celeb_profiles_sports_60/67_jacques_villeneuve.jpg

or P. Carpentier? or, peut-etre, I. Vandebosch? maybe I should start a club with ES for graduates of my high school who like le nascar and a certain band. I could speculate about why Tony looks a tad uncomfortable there but I imagine there are numerous situations in which he would like that. poor Tony.

I had considered a Pocono venture for my first time, but perhaps instead I will make it to the Monster Mile in the fall? or, in an alternate universe, perhaps the TK 500 over Labor Day? I've sort of been in denial about the air, which could be a problem.

Martin Newsted, Jr., huh? a quiet, Northern boy. and well-improved this year. but what about that nice kasey kahne?

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/photos/races06/features/lipton-group.jpg

Tony Stewart won that race ^^^^, Watkins Glen, in ironic fashion. He is known for spinning people out. Watkins was one of the super-rare instances in which perfectionist Jeff Gordon had the race won, and he just beat himself. Tony had fast car all race long and cruised past Gordon on the last couple of laps. I don't think Tony looks uncomfortable. He is probably taunting the 24.

Kasey is all right. He is a logger's son from the Northwest. The ladies sure love him and he makes funny commercials. I like Dodge but the 9 had a bad car for most of 2007. Of the Evernham drivers, I prefer Elliott Sadler. He has a charming and bizarre Virginia accent.

Fontana in the fall would be okay. Last year at Fontana there was a live seal in a tub in the corporate village. If you know Fontana, you will understand that this is ridiculous.

Pocono has a reputation for rain delay. If you go to Dover, try to get a view from the enclosed walkway that goes over part of the track.

Any of them would be unique and interesting. They appreciate your business.

yeah, sweet tea is like $5 at these things.

yeah, sweet tea is like $5 at these things.

But it is GIGANTIC.

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2159456640&size=l

That's < sixteen cents an ounce.

Love the passion.

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Watkins was one of the super-rare instances in which perfectionist Jeff Gordon had the race won, and he just beat himself. Tony had fast car all race long and cruised past Gordon on the last couple of laps.

I recall Gordon spinning of his own accord. I was sad for him, but I also find it hard not to like Tony.

Kasey is all right. He is a logger's son from the Northwest.

his hometown, less than an hour from Seattle, is the last you pass through before entering the forested/deforested Cascade foothills on one of the routes to Mt Rainier, and the farm fields to the immediate Northwest that lie on top of a giant old volcanic mudflow are of great picturesqueness, particularly in early morning hours

Of the Evernham drivers, I prefer Elliott Sadler. He has a charming and bizarre Virginia accent.

it is an interesting accent, isn't it. also, the inventor of rabbit release.

sounds kinky

That's rapid release, Elliott.

I occasionly watch NASCAR on TV. Never been to a race although I did attend an IRL race last year at the Mid-Ohio track. It was fantastic. Bring in as much beer and food as you can carry and sit on a hillside in the sun all day. Good times. I'll probably go to the AMerican LeMans series race there this summer which is my preferred choice of racing leagues.

i kind of liked mark martin. i always wondered how much shit he got for driving the viagra car.

it's kind of creepey how they work their corporate sponsors into every sentence they utter, tho

it's kind of creepey how they work their corporate sponsors into every sentence they utter, tho

it's a total dealbreaker, as far as watching NASCAR on TV

who among us does not like mark martin?

i forgot about that jayski site. will be useful going forward.

Rules Changes for 2008:

...

Pit Road: Teams can't roll tires back to the pit wall during a pit stop.

?????

Because Darrell Waltrip.

dw otm, if one of those despite-yourself likes for me. I am not looking forward to ESPN again on the back half of the season.

Outside tires that have been removed from a vehicle during a pit stop can no longer be free-rolled from the outside of the pit box to the wall. The tires must be hand-directed to the inner half of the pit box before being released.

It's a pit road safety measure.

Compare Ryan Newman's crew free-rolling the tire perfectly

with the 25 and Jimmie Johnson's crew doing it horribly.

Hand-directing is what Smoke's pit crew is doing in the upper right in the second video.

Some of the tire men kind of dribble the tires like a basketball. We'll see how they apply the new rule to that.

And for fun, here's a cake of Jeff Gordon hitting the wall at Pocono:

http://www.mattkenseth.com/FOTW/2007/06/Gordo20063.jpg

Dale Earnhardt was my favorite driver when I was little, back when he drove blue & gold.

I'm going to start calling you The Intimidator.

oic, i thought they were mandating that the right-side tire-changers stay in the outside of the box until the car left?!

And for fun, here's a cake of Jeff Gordon hitting the wall at Pocono:

;__;

I have started to notice racing jackets of the quasi-Mitchell&Ness sort on still-youthful men of the African-American persuasion lately. There's someone in my office building with a 24 jacket, and the other night I saw someone with the Gilliland M&M's in the subway.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/anneschroeder/0208/Revving_the_engines.html

Jimmie Johnson hanging out with Pelosi? Is he testifying or something?

oic - http://www.restrictorplatethis.com/story/2008/2/4/151714/2476

if daria does not join Junior Nation, perhaps she would enjoy rooting for the 12 car of Ryan Newman?

i don't even like nascar but lewis hamilton punched jeff gordon in a dream i had the other night

There is a hilarious youtube video of Jeff Gordon calling Wrigley Field "Wrigley Stadium" and forgetting the words to "Take Me Out To The Ball Game."

I like Gordon for having Nicorette as an associate sponsor. He is nu-NASCAR. The tobacco settlements of the '90s profoundly changed the culture and economics of the sport. It is big news that Tennessee's smoking ban applies to Bristol Motor Speedway.

NASCAR is radically pragmatic. When they change sponsors, they do a total scrub and expunge, even retroactively. This year they may talk about past season's Sprint Cup racing, as if Nextel and Winston never existed. It's like Aldous Huxley's Brave New World or the Noise Board.

Oh good heavens, yes. In what kind of a world is whatshisface's car not the green & white Kodiak chaw version?? That's some crazy changing.

This year they may talk about past season's Sprint Cup racing, as if Nextel and Winston never existed. It's like Aldous Huxley's Brave New World or the Noise Board.

haha the art of pretend forgetfulness in professional sports bankrolling!!

I probably would not have become a fan of the sport or my perfect gay champion NYC-living vineyard-owning favorite driver if not for the tobacco stuff. My GOP uncle otoh, who while not necessarily a big fan of the sport is a fan of such milieu and has actually been to a race or two, has been smoking Winstons since forever.

I look forward to the Mike Helton-JW summit

Intimidator, I looooove paint schemes.

My fave of last year was the one by Raymond Vanderlinden, winner of Kodak's "Ink Ryan's Ride" contest:

http://www.kodak.com/US/images/en/corp/1000words/jennyc/no12.jpg

You have to realize it's been like 15 years since I watched Nascar regularly...when I lived at home and my dad turned it on on Sunday afternoons. Pretending to like Nascar was a hell of a lot less annoying than helping in the kitchen, and then I sort of got...sucked in.

My friend Say got to like it because she always had races on when she did her housecleaning.

It's a totally different sport than it was 15 years ago. I only like safe NASCAR. I like reading about the history but I can't bear to watch pre-SAFER barrier tape.

right, the hanseatic league had something to do with it too

BTW, Intimidator, only the New York Times Titlecases "NASCAR." They insist on reporting NASCAR as "Nascar," similar to how they report NFL as "N.F.L."

How do you make an acronym lower-case?

And do they say, "Mr. Gordon passed Mr. Earnhardt in the final lap...."

haha

If it's good enough for the Gray Lady...no, srsly who am I fooling, I just don't care that much. :)

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (Feb. 4, 2008) - Reigning NASCAR Sprint Cup Series champion Jimmie Johnson will make a return visit Tuesday to Washington D.C., for a trip highlighted by a White House meeting with President George W. Bush.

Johnson will join the President in the Oval Office for a meeting and photo, a yearly tradition for whoever wins the NASCAR Sprint Cups Series championship.

Roffle. Exactly. (Sprint replaces Nextel as series sponsor in 2008).

And do they say, "Mr. Gordon passed Mr. Earnhardt in the final lap...."

They would, if Mr. Earnhardt could get to the final lap before hatching his engine.

How do you make an acronym lower-case?

Oh jesus, you must not read much from the BBC News site. They do that to EVERY acronym, and it makes my blood fucking boil.

Okay, not every single acronym, but the ones that have wordlike pronunciations. Unesco, but not CIA.

"There's this delightful American comedy show about the Korean War called 'Mash'."

"Rofl"

I love NASCAR. My first race was a couple of years ago at Fontana, the um...SONY HD 500? I had a blast. It was loud and smelly and exactly what I thought it would be...and I loved every minute of it! We even tailgated, and the folks were very friendly, and really not much different to tailgating at the football when you get down to it.

I find though, I actually don't enjoy watching the racing on tv as much as I did when I saw it for real. And being a rookie, I seem to mainly get interested once the Chase starts...but gimme time!

My favorite driver is Jimmie Johnson...because he was driving the Spongebob Squarepants car at the Fontana race. I wish I had a better reason than that...but I stand by it!

Today I downloaded Joe Satriani's soundtrack for the Xbox NASCAR game and checked out Mario Batali's NASCAR tailgate cookbook.

My friend Say got to like it because she always had races on when she did her housecleaning.

this was sort of it for me too - it was good background noise for doing work or cleaning. you don't really miss much by not actually watching most of the time.

Johnson will join the President in the Oval Office for a meeting and photo, a yearly tradition for whoever wins the NASCAR Sprint Cups Series championship.

"Can Carl Edwards do it again, or can David Reutimann close the huge margin that left him the runner-up last year in what is now the Nationwide Series?"

that's just wrong.

Nationwide-league, even

"Jack" Villeneuve, huh? Isn't that a basketball team or something?

maybe Tony's sister could get him to cut the hair?

hey what happened to Tony Raines? I liked that guy.

Alex in NYC (this is a guess. [this is only a guess.])

I can't remember if I ever responded here, but suffice to say -- this was very accurate guess. Nascar is for morons.

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Vegemitegrrl, I love Chad Knaus, Jimmie Johnson's crew chief. Tyra had Jimmie Johnson on her show last fall (it's hilarious - search youtube).

If Hendrick Racing were an office, Jimmie Johnson would be that guy at work who somehow sucks up to the big boss (Jeff Gordon) at every possible chance but is so deadpan about it that you just have to tip your cap.

Abbott, I also have Mario's NASCookbook.

Ryan Newman "wrote" a cute book on the dogs of NASCAR. Proceeds go to animal recue.

I was bummed "Front Row" Joe Nemechek was bounced to third in qualifying and has to race on Thursday. He's a one man team with a one man dream.

They would, if Mr. Earnhardt could get to the final lap before hatching his engine.

That happened at Daytona in the early 90's right? I seem to remember that.. as well as another year @ Daytona where he fucked up his car hitting a seagull

So since there's no more NFL I should pick a driver to root for.. but I have no idea who most of these guys are..

See above re Junior and Newman. No special reasoning re the latter, who was a semi-random pick, but he's a younger guy who's not a star, but with his fair share of top tens, and might or might not make the Chase. He's also writing a 'column' for Y! Sports this season (not that there aren't others who 'blog'). Maybe Carl Edwards would be a more interesting choice? I don't know who would be closest to home - one of these guys is from OH near PA but don't remember who.

Were you previously someone else, brownie?

I used to play play ILX fantasy baseball (lawrence_kansas)

Hello LAWRENCE_KANSAS! I found you!

Hi!

when jim thome broke my heart I fled to the Browns

daria-g there are several drivers from Virginia ... most competitive one right now is #31 Jeff Burton

I like Burton, but he's from the Southside and not the youngest guy around. Maybe Hamlin is the one for daria? The guy I was thinking of earlier was Dave Blaney, who's more Western Reserve-ish and maybe a little too low profile.

ok this picture - http://www.newsweek.com/id/109579

holy shit Kasey Kahne's middle name is Kenneth, WTF

wait until you meet Kale and Kole

I wonder if they listen to KUBE

I was just hoping they never get anything monogrammed.

How about Ryan Newman?

http://www.adrants.com/2007/02/kasey-kahne-bends-over-for-allstate.php

Ryan Newman, Dave Matthews fan? - http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/5659466/NASCAR-on-FX-preview:-10-Laps-with-Ryan-Newman-

hey guys, is our boy marcos ambrose making any waves? is the team he's running with any good? it's hard to follow nascar here if you don't have pay TV. (or a job - they play the races on a monday morning here due to the time difference.)

we had nsacar for about 10 years down here after a well-known businessman and former racer built an oval at the road circuit he owned. all the cars were basically old ones imported from the US, so the local variant (auscar) got more popular. both forms have kinda died off now; it's a shame, they were good to watch. road racing is the dominant form over here though, always has been.

he's running in the 2nd-tier series that I pay no attention to, dunno

Hm Sam Hornish was born in the same city I'm currently living in so he'll get sympathy. He'll need it as his car was 3 or 4 mph slower than the pole sitter.

his transition hasn't been the smoothest

Who's Chasing for the Gabbneb Cup? Glad you asked! After Gordon:

Martin - test pilot enthusiasm (and haircut) with real graciousness; too old/part-time to focus on, but you can't not like the guy
Edwards - I like the I'm-just-here-to-race, man demeanor - seems like a pretty smart guy under the business plan; also, reminds me of a really good KS-MO dude I went to school with (not named eddie), at least when he isn't wrecking someone
Shrub - I guess I like the excitable younger guys? his gawkiness and frustration/resignation are kinda laughable/cute, and the kid's got talent
Stewart - hot-tempered heartland culture of complaint guy should be far from my type on paper - Gordon's much more my kinda poster boy - but he can be pretty charming and generous and seems so committed to racing without borders and is too good a driver not to like
Johnson/Knaus - the better half might be a robot, but as above, a sharp one, and i like the understated sense of humor and, well, manners, and anyway I'm too nu-Nascar not to go along here; Dave Matthews and Kenny Chesney?
Said - fuck the ovals; his time coming, any day, don't worry bout him, no
Montoya - fuck the haters; viva la open-wheel reconquista
Burton - more admiration than affection, but seems like such a good dude; my idea of a concession to the roots

on the bubble
Villeneuve - if he makes it this year, I gotta root for a guy named Jacques; could become a favorite
Truex - mid-Atlantic-ish guy can do exciting things under green, but kinda boring outside the car
Raines - if he can get a ride
Junior - a gimme
Sadler - reminds me of dudes I hung out with over summers in DC years ago - v different, but fun; more interesting off the track tho
Mears/Gustafson - too grayscale for his dayglo car, but the flipside of corporate is sharp, and (probably) talented
Reutimann - sunshine coast Jesus freak who I ignored last season turns out to be modestly articulate and could be of interest in the B---- Series this year?

Martin Truex Jr. is not boring. He's just chill.

Yes, Marcos Ambrose is on the radar. His Kingsford Charcoal fire car caught on fire in one of the Busch races last year -- I wish I could find tape but NASCAR Now went to town on it. Haitch, I think you can stream races online at NASCAR's web site.

Marcus Ambrose was also leading the Montreal road course race last year until . . .

[Interior, ESPN studio}

ESPN desk (referring to Robbie Gordon): Rusty, have you ever before seen a LAPPED car spin out the leader, drive past the BLACK FLAG, and then do a VICTORY BURNOUT next to the race winner?

[Cut to Rusty Wallace, trackside]

Rusty Wallace: . . . No.

It was punk rock. Zero respect. Suspended for the next race and fined about ten gazillion driver points.

We should talk about burnouts some time.

hahaha, that is hilarious.

I like those Wagnerian (ahem) burnouts against the wall under the lights.

burnouts are never, ever, not good.

Have you ever been to a race? What is it like?

I think this video of Fontana captures the flavor pretty well:

Hollywood Nights - NASCAR Style by Low Budget TV

The green flag start in this video is about as thrilling as a Duke-Carolina basketball game in overtime.

Does anybody here follow drift racing? All I know is that they get style points for the drifts and that they use stock Japanese subcompacts.

I saw The Fast and the Furious III: Tokyo Drift. Does that count?

Yes. Do you recommend?

That probably depends on your tolerance for the "American hick in v sophisticated foreign country" act. I liked it alright. Also this is prob cradle-robbing but the lead is pretty cuet.

Thanks, my tolerance for that kind of thing is sky high.

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/news/070723/jeff_gordon320.jpg

haitch,

Throw another Tasmanian on the barbie, it's the Marcos Ambrose Kingsford Carbeque video.

Michael McDonald??? who plans this shit?

I like 1959 just fine, but that thing started not great and threatened to get worse before I turned it off.

I think I have to scratch the 5 car off my list; dude just doesn't give me the right feeling.

lolling hard at the carbeque!

so how about ryan newman then?? i was out and missed the 500 today but still. (I have relatives named Newman so I figured what the heck, if I have to pick a driver.) :)

I watched it from start to finish today because a) I live in the South and have never attempted to do it before and b) football's over. Even before the halfway point, I wanted to pluck my eyes out with a hot furnace poker.

How do people get excited about NASCAR?

XXX: I'll be rebooting my computer to get ready for the NASCAR.com raceview, pit commander etc.
XXX: hi
felicity: hi
felicity: THis coverage is good
XXX: fyi, nascar.com trackpass, etc. is free today
felicity: Flyove/.National Anthem = 4 stars
XXX: you can hear what matt is saying
felicity: CAN I FOLLW MARTIN TRUEX's EVERY MOVE???
felicity: THEy advertised comething tlike that
felicity: do you like my avatar's new background?
XXX: yes, every move
felicity: oh boy
XXX: no, only c a tight face shot
felicity: i'll have to make adjustments bext time i go into the garage
felicity: maybe its one of your options
XXX: u see the new tony stewart home depot commercial (circa 1998)?
felicity: yes he needs a haircut
felicity: what should i get, trackpass or race scanner or ?
felicity: KVAPIL!
XXX: pitcommander is ducks
XXX: & stats
felicity: no ducks
XXX: raceview is pseudo video game
felicity: i want the video game
XXX: raceview
XXX: oh boy
felicity: this is the big time for travis kvapil? Did he race SPrint Cup last year?
XXX: no, i think mostly trucks
XXX: raced sprint cup a few yrs ago, i think
felicity: is there a special place for trackpass free for daytona? Or just hte normal 14 day trial?
felicity: good for travis
felicity: I love his name
XXX: http://www.nascar.com/trackpass/#RaceView
XXX: matt is surrounded by idiots: 7, 01, 66, 28 :-O
felicity: ha ha
felicity: what';s kvapil's number
XXX: 28
felicity: are there any foreigners here ?
felicity: franchetti villeneuve?
XXX: jacques not in, losing his ride to skinner & johnny benson
felicity: Johnny beson: I dont know him
XXX: franchitti took the #40
felicity: how iron ic front row joe to the back for missing the INTRO
felicity: LETS GO RACIN
XXX: ha, last time mr. the king waved the green flag his hat blew off (no hat this time)
felicity: denny bump draft
felicity: michaeltrripp seems to have fast car all week
XXX: reed has fast car
XXX: front row 78 is back w/ 26 & 40
felicity: that's why i said it was ironic
XXX: hope denny doesn't decide to stop in front of 42 cars
felicity: is 55 his teammate?
felicity: WIIIIDE
XXX: 55, 44, 00 are mwr
felicity: they should also have !!
felicity: 11 and 33
felicity: 00
felicity: 66, 77, 88, 99
XXX: i have the #29 (blowing up) in my yahoo fantasy league
felicity: i can't get the videogame?
XXX: aww
XXX: can u get the ducks?
felicity: Reed's polaroid scheme for talladega http://jayski.com/schemes/2008/41cup.htm
XXX: fedex-esque
felicity: more colors, the diamonds look fast
felicity: it is sooooooooo pretty
felicity: HELVETICA Polaroid
felicity: I like the big ole "DODGE CHARGER" in front too
felicity: Dodge girl= me
felicity: what a brown noser
XXX: who, what?
XXX: plutonium?
felicity: didnity jimmie just bump draft his big boss
felicity: yeah plutonium==> rocket boosters
XXX: prob, i'm focusing on the 17
felicity: i am number 181 in queue for live online nascar help
felicity: my good ness this is a gr* organizatiopn
XXX: lol
felicity: gr8
felicity: they go fast! ia m now 178
XXX: foxsports is big in la
felicity: yeah they do angels
XXX: fox nfl studios in hollywood
felicity: with a Bullett!
felicity: this is so gr8
felicity: what number is JJ?HOF racing
XXX: oh big surprise, 18 flying thru the field
XXX: jj is 96
felicity: who is that
felicity: oh kyle
felicity: he always has children's paint schemes
felicity: we always treat him like such a child
XXX: and car quest
felicity: i am rooting for #1, #96, #11
felicity: nascar is goo d-- #155
felicity: and kVAPil
XXX: do they have a trackpass animation showing ur place in line?
felicity: I like all the Scabble drivers
felicity: it's a live chat window that refresshes with my place in the queue
XXX: matt's about to get hung out
felicity: haha
felicity: Team Scrabble: Kvapil, Keselowksi, Truex
XXX: no biff is loyal
XXX: lol
felicity: "MOVE"
XXX: oh matt hung out biff
felicity: he's soo aggressive passive
XXX: he actually came back to help biff
felicity: he's no idiot
felicity: I have pretty fast intervals (by commercial) now 143
XXX: biff's bumping 17 past 41 & 6
felicity: noo i can't see
felicity: btw, i did not find radio coverage even at 12:02 p.m. on LA terrestrial
XXX: sirius
felicity: i am saving up for a big screen plasma tc
felicity: tv
XXX: yes, good priority
felicity: did they have the super bird on the track earlier?
XXX: oh oh, 17 & 20 on backstretch (ala 2006)
felicity: car of tomorrow
XXX: don't know re superbird, probably
felicity: what a cwazy high spoiler
felicity: they only made like 1700 of them
felicity: 1970
felicity: oh boy i like mopar
XXX: do you like mopar?
felicity: yes
felicity: 17 positions for the `7
felicity: 17
felicity: that tire hand directing looks cumbersonme
XXX: i know :(
felicity: i want to see times
XXX: pit times or leader intervals?
felicity: haha no #108
felicity: my intervals are getting shorts
felicity: shorter
XXX: hard to pass as you get near the front
felicity: pit times
XXX: that's on trackpass
felicity: Thanks.
felicity: Very helpful.
felicity: Got any more "tips", Dr. XXX?
XXX: matt had 14.2 pit, 35.7 on pit road
felicity: waht did #1 have
XXX: 1: 14.4, 36.2
felicity: that craftsman commercial is cool
felicity: do the real pit crews pop up their tire jacks like that, too (like a skateboard?)
XXX: 24: 14.0, 35.7
felicity: who is 24's crew chief again?
XXX: i think sometimes they do clown around
XXX: letarte
felicity: no jimmie jophnson?
XXX: 11: 14.8, 36.2
XXX: 48: 16.2, 36.3 (ouch)
felicity: doh!
felicity: who was fastest in thet pits did they all take 4
XXX: 99: 15.6, 37.0
XXX: i'm sure they all took 4, i have to fetch speeds 1 @ a time
felicity: go slow to go fast
felicity: i am 96 now
felicity: is HOF racing doing any cars besides the #96?
XXX: i like the Truex story symbol MTJ
felicity: 'yes, It is traded on the NASCAR STOCK EXCHANGE (NSE)
XXX: y u say "MTR" ?
felicity: NSE
felicity: only to you and in my head
felicity: because at those times i like to go fast oh boy
felicity: 'My interval is now #86
felicity: is that bad to get lined up?
XXX: not on a plate track, lining up is fast
XXX: on other tracks it loosens the car in front, tightens the car in back
XXX: scabidly, doobie skee
felicity: taking air off the spoiler like that sneaky jamie mcmurray
XXX: downforce
felicity: alst falls daytona race?
XXX: yes dayhtona & dega are restrictor plate tracsks
felicity: was that the one jamie won?
felicity: it was such a cool finish
XXX: that was "side drafting" whatever that means
felicity: yeah! it was so cool
felicity: can that cause an opponent's car to spin? bc I think ive seen that
XXX: matt & jr haven't led a lap yet, the others should let them go by
felicity: Dale Jr. Ladies Adidas Going fast track top http://www.shopadidas.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2941703&shopGroup=R&cp=2019628.2039727.2039730.3024150&parentPage=family&colorId=
felicity: yes, Excuse me
felicity: or MTR? he usually comes up later
felicity: is this track known for having a "Big One"?
XXX: yes, not as much as talladego tho
felicity: ooh i like this one it is so rad and 70's http://www.shopadidas.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2926077&shopGroup=R&cp=2019628.2039727.2039730.3024150&parentPage=family&colorId=
felicity: but i am saving my "frivolous" budget for Vega$
XXX: green is the new red
felicity: i can tell you're watching hte race
felicity: i am chattering, need ot come in
XXX: lol
XXX: i was looking up the clothes
XXX: race view is taking a break
felicity: i want a MTR hat
felicity: i just love my 42 cap to death but i need to support my driver
XXX: yest jr's show had a scene of him as a teen w/ a gm goodwrench fire suit
felicity: aww i need ot order dvr
felicity: i miss the little backwards button
felicity: its a tahm machine
XXX: yes
XXX: carl commercial at phx int raceway
felicity: LOL @ Carl trying real hard as usua;l
felicity: he will never make it as a soap opera actor
felicity: he really gives those commercials his all
felicity: the best actors are Dle Jr., Denny Hamlin and Jimmie Johnson
felicity: Matt is terrible at acting
felicity: MTR has no commercials
XXX: hmm, no bass pro?
felicity: this is very mainstream commercial
felicity: that shot of bristol looks exciting
felicity: somebody has COmmit as an associate sponsor, i like that
felicity: Lots of pharmaceutical sponsors!
felicity: No, Bass do not like MTR
XXX: oh boy, green flag stops
felicity: which pit stall would you take me on?
XXX: raceview is hanging me out to dry. i prob will reboot after pit stops
XXX: oh i don't know, do you like an easy entry?
felicity: the train is going by!
felicity: haha
felicity: I hope those pointers corss, i like when that happens
XXX: huh?
XXX: oh i know
felicity: you know the cartoon bubble speech looking things, i like when there is a position change and they cross and become detached
XXX: yeah, i figured it out
felicity: You know that thing in cars, blah blah blah
XXX: got it
felicity: my hcat interface actually has something that resembles that also
felicity: right now i am lapping you in the speech bubbles
XXX: lol
felicity: i am #49, on the bubble
felicity: chatter, chatter chatter
felicity: i think the killer bee tire man kind of dribbled it a little
XXX: that's okay, he had control until the midline
felicity: yeah it pushes it
XXX: okay, brb
felicity: they can double dribble
felicity: ok
Offline: XXX has signed out.
Online: XXX has signed back in.
felicity: you watching?
XXX: yes
XXX: oh boy race of pit road
felicity: is MTR on lead lap?
felicity: i amworried ther wil be a pace car
XXX: dont know
felicity: i skyle petty raciong the 43?
XXX: u hear dw's joke about the 48 crew?
felicity: no tell me
XXX: talking bout the 3 new guys on the 48 crew
felicity: uh huh
XXX: said the car fell off the jack
XXX: said he let them down
felicity: oh no
felicity: haha Let him =down gently
XXX: haha
XXX: truex listed in 9th
felicity: go Martin
XXX: reed is leading
felicity: these shoes remind me of american http://www.adidas-shop.co.uk/rf/adi/navigation/product.do?Ns=prod_in_stock%7c1%7c%7cprod_min_base_price%7c1%7c%7cscu_id%7c1&Nao=75&groupId=461297505&Nu=this_product&SNtk=&Np=1&SN=4294967088&Ntt=461297505&D=461297505&Ntk=group_search&Dx=mode%2bmatchall&thisprod=461297505&N=4294967088&Nty=1&Mis_item_id=15&Mis_item_loc_id=1&product=461297505
felicity: did he only take 2 or something
felicity: i think MTR should stay out and take a lead lap'
XXX: reed stayed out
felicity: i am #29
felicity: i am staying out
felicity: gas and go
XXX: the link was too long to click on
felicity: it takes the same amount of clicking
XXX: oh i see it, addidas britain
felicity: http://www.adidas-shop.co.uk/rf/adi/navigation/product.do?Ns=prod_in_stock%7c1%7c%7cprod_min_base_price%7c1%7c%7cscu_id%7c1&Nao=75&groupId=461297505&Nu=this_product&SNtk=&Np=1&SN=4294967088&Ntt=461297505&D=461297505&Ntk=group_search&Dx=mode%2bmatchall&thisprod=461297505&N=4294967088&Nty=1&Mis_item_id=15&Mis_item_loc_id=1&product=461297505
XXX: "Advantage", what's that supposed to mean?
felicity: i like dennys new commercial
felicity: that's the model name but its also the name of american airlines frequeunt flier program
felicity: Aadvantage
XXX: but quote marks
felicity: i dont know
XXX: sounds like roger clemens hearing language
felicity: ha ha claritin restart
felicity: crank it up is so awesome i need to connect my stereo speakers
XXX: reed is toast
felicity: not cool ,guys
XXX: roflmao
XXX: oh oh, the 8 is on my fantasy team too
felicity: *looks down, sees old tires, looks up, he loses track position*
XXX: so is vickers
XXX: omg
XXX: oh boy hung out the 24
felicity: oh boy!
felicity: i missed it (pit stop)
XXX: 17, 16, 11, 6 high
felicity: Fox was the first to cross promote its tv shows by planting actor from the FOx shows in the crowd at Fox telived sporting events
XXX: 24, 1, 99 low
felicity: beautiful blue sky
felicity: that is one cwazy bank between turns 3 and 4
felicity: clear, clear yes pressure
XXX: lol
XXX: dang, NEWMAN
XXX: where did he come from?
felicity: i am chatting with nascar
XXX: ok
felicity: Shocker: Raceview is NOT SUPPORTED AT ALL for Mac
felicity: you might want to reconsider
XXX: huh?
felicity: yeah, not supported
XXX: matt's giving up
XXX: bad tires
felicity: he worked hard already
XXX: call it a day
felicity: maybe there will be ac aution
felicity: how come none of the sponsors sponsor cautions
XXX: certainly, i think the 48 has the same problem
felicity: some safety company should sponsor yellow flag cautions
felicity: and Black flag should sponsor black flag cautoons
felicity: No tires! just gas
XXX: lol
XXX: short term gain, long term loss
felicity: the teammates are side by side
felicity: has kyle hung jeff gordon out to dry yet
XXX: shock: 17 isn't as bad as matt said it was
felicity: ha ha
felicity: i like the pavement angle
XXX: ridiculous to have that kind of lead on plate track
XXX: plutonium
felicity: he says the newer macs can support race view as long as thye use and Intel processor
XXX: oh, i read that a macbook pro is coming out soon b/c best buy inventories are running out of the old one
felicity: yes get a powerfgul processor that's the most important variab;e
XXX: roger
XXX: copy that
XXX: matt's undriveable car is in 4th
XXX: 3rd
XXX: 2nd
felicity: he has distorted perception
felicity: luckily we are having a commercial
felicity: Matt gets no love
XXX: new leader: 17
felicity: pass in the grass!!!
XXX: matt's won the daytona 270 !!
felicity: hahahahahahaha
felicity: victory burnout!
XXX: is clint a young gun?
felicity: I really want you to see my new avatar
XXX: i can see a small avatar of you on pit road
felicity: do you see the flag?
XXX: you're not helping bring the tire back , r u?
felicity: DO YOU SEE THE FLAG??????????????
felicity: YES OR NO?????????????????????????????????
XXX: little busy
XXX: no
XXX: yes i see it
XXX: hope if follows the jayski rules
felicity: that was a nightmare flashback to years of trying to have conversations with my imemdiate family members
felicity: I am scarred
felicity: YES you really see it?
XXX: lol SHOUTING
felicity: then why did you say "no, only c a tight face shot" up there ^^^^^^?
felicity: It is very hard to have Super-vision
felicity: I am a lonely Incredibles
XXX: usually i only see the tight face shot
XXX: however, if i put a mouse on your name on the list, i see the full avatar
felicity: whew that was extremely stressful
XXX: i found this out after i said i could only see the face shot
XXX: when i saw the entire avatar, i was worried about you being on pit road
XXX: i saw the flag the 1st time, but it didn't register b/c the 17 was making a green flag stop
XXX: lol
felicity: i hope carl will help martin
felicity: they are out of touch
XXX: love this home depot commercial
felicity: i have a truck commercial
felicity: a commercial for a truck with a hemi engine
XXX: oh, i have it b/c i was watching the tony stewart channel
felicity: does this color hurt your eyes?
XXX: yes
XXX: bolding it might help
felicity: how do i look at other channels on direct tc?
XXX: did you get hot pass? they're in the 790 range
XXX: 4 drivers
felicity: yes i got everything
XXX: 20, 88, 24, 29
felicity: oh that is horrible
felicity: At least its Helevetica
felicity: unlike that cheapass Sergei, Terry Semmel got hte real thing
XXX: maaayyybeee, you could put a background?
felicity: ??
felicity: or bigger
XXX: bigger helps
felicity: I am watching everything but hte race
XXX: yeah, me too
felicity: This seems like a good color/font size
felicity: No bold
XXX: yes, hevetica?
felicity: YES
felicity: American
felicity: American
XXX: yea
felicity: American
felicity: I just love that to death
felicity: American Airlines
felicity: American Apparel
XXX: american t & t
felicity: Polaroid®
felicity: ℒisa
felicity: ℒℬ
felicity: ℔
XXX: quit clowning around :)
felicity: №
felicity: №
felicity: VOTE your favorite cok logo http://www.nascar.com/promos/coke/logo_vote/
felicity: oh no black flag
XXX: logo # 2 by far
felicity: he is like a piece of furniture
felicity: did you vote it?
XXX: no
felicity: I think yuou'll be surprised . . . .
XXX: you can fool some of the people...
felicity: i voted #1
felicity: it is more symmetrical and nascar-y
felicity: I have the "Logo of TOmorrow"
XXX: the track diagram for 2 is much more accurate
felicity: yours is twisted sister
felicity: track diagrams are for losers
XXX: lol
felicity: is MTR in that UPS commercial?
XXX: i like 2 by far
felicity: exactl;y
felicity: haha that ups commercial reminds me of "Kenny Loggins keychain?"
XXX: wow 2 straight commercials at PIR
felicity: and everybody said amen
felicity: when are the PIR races
XXX: april 10th ish & nov 11th ish
XXX: hope u can attend
felicity: ish
felicity: ok i wil pencil those in
felicity: i am craving sweet tea right now because that is what i always drank in brooklyn watching these races
Offline: XXX has signed out.
felicity: LOL "this taste infringers" commercial is gr8
Online: XXX has signed back in.
felicity: didyou see that 60 sec ond coke zero spot?
XXX: yes
XXX: it's like ur job
felicity: it was great
felicity: yeah that why i like it
felicity: i am the only one who like s my clients products at workl
felicity: they are really country i like them
XXX: is mtj in the coke family of drivers?
felicity: not yet
felicity: he has a new associate sponsor, cub something
felicity: cub cadet tractors
XXX: he should be a young gun
felicity: yeah he sould
XXX: biff raced some cub cadet schemes
felicity: i want them to do a chicago cub sceme at chicago land
felicity: but the cub cadet trade dress looks boring
felicity: hahah
felicity: michae; waltripp is a good sports
XXX: carl could learn a lot
XXX: biff is your new leader
felicity: hes so terrible he;s good. He makes Jamie MCmUrray look like Laurence Olivier in the Dish pass commercial
felicity: hes hte Justin Roiland of team rousch
XXX: where is the 24 going?
felicity: my new leader
XXX: hahahahahahahaha
XXX: like his flamey firesuit?
felicity: who
felicity: that kid kvapil is all right
felicity: how many cars on the lead lap?
XXX: 32 on the lead lap
felicity: go travis
felicity: i want mtr and kvapil to work together
felicity: check out the .. .
felicity: tough break
XXX: yes
XXX: doing a burnout
felicity: matt must be displeased
felicity: matt;s fault
felicity: loose
felicity: call AAA
felicity: I need a tow
XXX: matts' fault?
felicity: he tougt 6 would get out of his way accoring to DW
felicity: Jr taking a lead lap
felicity: KYLE VIOLTES THE TIRE OCNTROL RULE
felicity: check it out
felicity: 18 he free rolled from outside of pit box
XXX: close call w/ 18
felicity: its as i predicted he kind of bouce/rolled it
felicity: pushing the envelope
felicity: not cheating= not trying
XXX: 17 was holding his line on the outside
XXX: 6 just slid up into him
felicity: clear, clear WAHT THE
XXX: lol
felicity: r u off tmrw/?
XXX: yes, but on call so i'll prob have to see a pt or 2 at the hosp
felicity: pretty sunset!!
XXX: yes
felicity: some day i will go to daytona
XXX: oh boy, nascar access
felicity: sports center had a segment yesterday where Jimmie Johnson goes to Manhattant o relax bc nobody recognixes him
felicity: did you see that?
XXX: no
felicity: they walked aroung New York with a camera on jimmie johnson
felicity: and some new yorkers asked Jimmie Joehnson what they were filinging
XXX: was he wearing his firesuit?
felicity: filming
felicity: no
XXX: well then
felicity: he does not get recognized at all in NYC
felicity: and one guy after chatting with him, said, what 's your name again?
felicity: they thought he was like a camera crew or somethign
XXX: collected the 1
felicity: WTF?????????????
felicity: is he DNF?
XXX: 48 spun
felicity: what a suck up
felicity: i like this commercial with the magical clouds
XXX: don't know
felicity: havoline
XXX: magic clouds are catching on
XXX: 42 v 29 just like the glen
felicity: THAT WAS THE BEST COMMERCIAL IT WAS VERY BIUSY AND COLORFUL THAAT IS ALSO WHY I LOKE THE POLAROIUD AND KODAK SPECIAL SCHEMS
XXX: blaming the 77
felicity: the better comemrcial sare being piled on here at he end
felicity: shoot
XXX: car dice
felicity: lol
felicity: "coming out. . . "
XXX: lol
felicity: You wan tthe "Pass" bet
felicity: "77 out"
felicity: when you roll the 77, you lose
XXX: 48 off?
felicity: i have a AT&T commercial
felicity: typing htat in Helvetica was very satisfying
XXX: bet 48 doesn't even lose a lap
felicity: Do you know what a "California prayer book" is?
XXX: no
felicity: a deck of cards
XXX: u see the junior, camel commercial?
felicity: no i see a kasey kahn e comemrcial
felicity: is it really little e
felicity: ?
XXX: for amp energy drink, i'm sure you'll see it someday soon
felicity: where he carries the camel? I thought that was Ksey Kahn ebecause of his energy drik comemrcial form 2007
felicity: i am a confused customer
felicity: cross! cross!
felicity: what is "drop kick"
felicity: deja vu
XXX: didn't flip
felicity: i think of him as the 20
XXX: yes
felicity: who got hung out there
felicity: high
felicity: opoutside
felicity: haha the chicken is dedicated bu tthe pig is committed
XXX: yes
felicity: haha
felicity: i see what yor doing your pulling a mom
felicity: go ryan newman
XXX: he's a young gun
felicity: he hasnt won in a while?
XXX: couple yrs
felicity: the top 5 here seem like they will win like 500k
felicity: the 48 decided to make a sudden left turn in front of 3 lanes of traffic
XXX: helped by the 77?
felicity: i hwave to see it
felicity: that pace car is stressing me
felicity: i really like how the lights are on in the sunset
felicity: 42 gave someone a rub
felicity: golly gee!
felicity: stay away from the daves
XXX: lol
felicity: dave means "idiot" in daytonish
XXX: matt's still waiting to hear from david
felicity: hear what?
felicity: mtr is back out, that's good how many laps down?
XXX: lead lap
felicity: what!
felicity: what a guy
XXX: just spun i guess
felicity: i boldly predict #1 wil finihs in top 10
XXX: how did robby gordon get the valvoline sponsorship?
felicity: being slimey?
XXX: lol
felicity: no bad publicity
XXX: apparently not
felicity: REED
XXX: hope so
felicity: DODGE!!!!!!!!!
XXX: yea!!
felicity: teamwork!
felicity: *clap clap!
XXX: hmm, concept
felicity: great, finish, classic restictor place team racing
XXX: i'll say
felicity: ther 12 and 2 kind of "match"
felicity: the stub collar still working
felicity: stun collar
XXX: lol
felicity: kurt rmembered who his friend was
XXX: thought kurt would wreck tony but both are on probation
felicity: fiunally!
felicity: how did MTR do?
XXX: 20th place
felicity: not bad! travis in 30th
felicity: what a finish
XXX: dodge took 6 out of the top 8
felicity: mopar pride
felicity: i wish they woul dshow the nbump draft from kurt's view
felicity: little reed
felicity: did Tony hang out Jeff Burton?
felicity: "You're brakin gup . . . "
XXX: lol
XXX: it went just like hammond said
felicity: TOny was wreckers or checkers at the end but he wrecked so many ppl no one was left to help
felicity: how
felicity: did
XXX: kyle dives low around burton,
felicity: hammond
felicity: but it was newman
XXX: on the last restart
felicity: I am soo happy for Rayn!
XXX: kyle goes low, tony bails out & goes high
felicity: seem slike poor communication
felicity: TOny said to kyle that the 20 could not take the high line
XXX: oh michaels 90 bristol car is a reference
felicity: and kyle did nt care>
felicity: ?
felicity: THat will be a fun team meetings
XXX: the napa commercial
XXX: yeah, maybe denny can be peacemaker
felicity: i have a ,atchbox 20 commerical
XXX: me too
felicity: i think it is advertising nas,acar
felicity: They are really trying to cover all theior bases
felicity: Next, I predict a hiphop theme commercial
felicity: yeah RYAN!!!
felicity: dodge finally figures out the CoT
XXX: he's a gatorade driver (48, 17)
felicity: in the Coke family
felicity: Dale is having a good season so far
XXX: gatorade is pepsico
felicity: O RLY?
XXX: really
XXX: not KO
felicity: I want them to interview Kurt
felicity: "outweighs"
XXX: top 5 always get interviewed
XXX: lol
felicity: hey, it's everybody's brother in law
felicity: lol one of the Hot young guys of NASCAR
felicity: on the Tyra Banks show
XXX: young gun
felicity: he;s liek the Rory character ffrom Days of Thunder
XXX: yup
felicity: Bush aND NEWMAN for President
XXX: wah, wah wah--kyle
felicity: wow busch bros. in a 2-4 finish
felicity: hi REED
felicity: Cool guys
felicity: yes cool
XXX: lots of people tabbing him for breakout season ala clint in 07
felicity: yeah he's hot
felicity: improving fast
XXX: very young
felicity: Ganassi has good team
felicity: what race team is Kvapil
XXX: powered by Felix Sabates?
XXX: Kvapil w/ yates racing (38, 28)
felicity: 38 is David Gilliand
felicity: who is 28?
XXX: kvapil
felicity: whoah, dale jr. is green! I like it
XXX: green is new red

XXX: matt is surrounded by idiots: 7, 01, 66, 28 :-O

with 6, he could've gotten eggroll

Every time I checked into the pre-race show DW was crying! dude needs restrictor plates on his tear ducts

he was very emo. i wished they showed more of Gordon's Charlie Rose act. i am still liking MW's commercials this season. failure = funny. carl otoh is in some less agreeable company this year.

due in part to good weather, i am considering putting the 41 on my bubble

maybe I will be less jealous if I... go to the Goody's Cool Orange 500?!

I did not realize that Trisha Yearwood was doing the anthem; sorry I missed that. A real Brooks family affair this year.

pretty good chance I'd get to see my Jeffy win at Martinsville too, as long as he doesn't play too nice again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXweltI1T9E

Yes, you should go to Martinsville, or Richmond if you can. In terms of race atmosphere, Sonoma seems like it would be up your alley, but the viewing is not supposedly not great.

Gordon fan, eh? Very respectable.

Daria, Ryan Newman is a great choice, particularly if you have cousins Newman and like dogs.

In terms of race atmosphere, Sonoma seems like it would be up your alley

oh no! there's white wine with goat cheese and fig jam in the parking lot, i suppose. i once looked up their driving school, but i'm sure i have a very long list of driving skills to confront before i get there. a road course might be interesting.

i stubbornly like nascar by liking all the least-nascar elements best.

Like what?

Like road courses

Robots turn right?

Road courses are cool, are they still running the night race @ watkins glen?

I'm not all that far from Richmond but don't think it's one of the more interesting tracks is it? too bad Talladega is as far as it is..

not nascar but looks awesome nonetheless

http://www.canamfilm.com/

"TURN LEFT GO FAST"

Watkins is a day race. Richmond is good racing, IMHO.

I don't prefer road courses, but changing things up is good, and I gravitate somewhat to the guys who have raced outside nascar (and maybe I think of right turns as more authentic?), like I gravitate to guys from outside the South/midwest, not that California isn't just as much a car culture. Unlike my mom, I've liked festivals probably since my dad dragged us to ham radio fairs, but while I have semi-fully partooken of other mass subcultures, I guess I feel this is one I come to as more of an outsider and with a more critical disposition. In a rebel flag culture, I've got my own dissension to wave. Which isn't to say that I'll be flaming out in 24 gear; that's too much commitment too.

Road courses do remind me of pole position, tho, as well as this toy-electric-track-racing place (what are these called?) I went to at least one party at as a kid. And the locations are interesting too - two wine countries and two foreign countries.

I like the road races too. Shakes things up a bit, plus you get to root for guys like Robby Gordon and Scott Pruett who don't have a chance in hell at places like Talladega.

R. Gordon seems to be moving up in oval races a bit, but I don't think I will be rooting for him.

road courses have all those nice curves too.

Robbie Gordon is a TREAT LOL

lawrence, that 60s Can-Am footage is cool.

Can-Am looks like what would happen if agnes b. and Jean-Luc Godard got together and designed a road course series.

hey I could go to Richmond. how exciting. a night race would involve less SPF, but would it be the same?

the perfect gift for any home

i have determined the above to be a stupid question. maybe i will go to both. i will have to weigh vacation ideas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phkygdmPB9I

it would have been hard for the concert this year to top last year - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHlvrW77uk8

speed commentator comes up with "juridicical" (i think the soft c would be more appropriate than an s) in re the matter of r. gordon.

i hope no one's too soggy and/or chilly out there

Martinsville isn't as easy as I thought, so Richmond it is.

scary

Junior: the track ain't ready today, we rushed into this, it was a bad move

maybe they could let Gordon run 200 laps by himself

he needs all those other cars out there to help keep the track dry

Surprise! It's Cousin Douche.

We play a little game for the drivers and crew chiefs called "Douche or Hipster?"

Elliott Sadler: hipster.
Carl Edwards: douche.

n.b., "Douche" does not connote a negative judgment. It's just a descriptor at the opposite end of the spectrum as the "Hipster". (e.g., douches "try.")

Burnout/drift heaven.

Carl seems pretty above it all - not trying - when no one's in his way; like he does all the extra stuff because it goes with the territory of a) racing and b) branding/bizzing, tho maybe they're backwards. I shouldn't have second-guessed myself in putting him above Kyle tho; I like the kid's style a lot more. Also should have stuck with instinct and left McMurray on the bubble. I like him better hatless and he takes Reed's and Reutimann's places.

http://www.portfolio.com/culture-lifestyle/culture-inc/sports/2008/01/14/Nascar-and-Race/?TID=advert/drudge/Nascar

Cousin Carl tries so hard, especially in commercials.

Vegas was good racing. The new tire control rule sent Carl Edwards to the back of the field. He is an amazing closer.

It was a shame the way Gordon wrecked Matt Kenseth at the end.

Why does Truex's crew insist on these 2-tire stops? That never, ever works out.

tight-smilin' mariano edwards

seemed like Gordon got a little over-excited after Jr's tires spun. 2 dnf's in 3 is not good. maybe he's gotten a little less cool because he thinks this season is his last chance at his 5th. quite a(n unSAFE) hit he took.

it was cute how Tony and Krzysztof Kieslowski did ballet spins together in the insurance company race, tho not as cute as if it were dale

Yes it's exciting. Last year Dale Jr. was your DNF leader.

Jimmie Johnson and Gordon have had appalling cars so far. Seriously, the tires on Jeff Gordon's Nicorette Chevrolet 24 were "smoking" all race long. Cough cough sputter sputter hack hack.

Gordon's still a cool customer. He'll race at least until he catches Richard Petty.

Valuable new addition to Jayski

Which isn't to say that I'll be flaming out in 24 gear; that's too much commitment too.

Subtle, gabb. Subtle.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2105/2308954254_f8f3aa07a0_b.jpg

Gl4xoSMithKl1ne 2mg (yellow Commit) shoudl sponsor the pit road commitment cone.

Friends of mine found some infield passes, borrowed an RV from a friend at a dealership, drove down from Portland and spent a long weekend in Vegas. Bastards.

Subtle, gabb. Subtle.

believe it or not, it's not uncommon for me not to realize, at least before the fact, how many allusions I'm making. I also don't regard chartreuse as one of the miracles of science.

Fermentation goes back to the Old Testament. Plenty of miracles there.

http://www.chartreuse.fr/phpwebgallery/galleries/fotos_produits/Chartreuse_Verte.jpg

I've started watching NASCAR because I can't fathom an entire seven months without football. Tonight I even bought a NASCAR magazine. I guess this is how people 'get into' sports in general, huh?

I'm still not entirely clear on all the rules and regulations but I'm trying to learn by watching.

NASCAR Now on ESPN.

If there were ladies' college NASCAR, I'd watch.

Have you tried ESPN 8 ("The Ocho")?

NASCAR said the victory by Carl Edwards at Las Vegas this past weekend, his second Sprint Cup win in a row, was tainted and slapped Edwards and his Roush Fenway Racing team with its toughest penalty yet. Edwards was docked 100 points - knocking him out of first place - and stripped of the 10 bonus points he earned for the win.

In addition to Edwards' penalty, crew chief Bob Osborne was fined $100,000 and suspended six weeks, and Jack Roush was docked 100 owner points.

The penalties stem from post-race inspection Sunday when NASCAR discovered the cover was off the oil tank in the race-winning No. 99 Ford.

Rival competitors circulated a photo via e-mail Tuesday of Edwards doing a celebratory backflip off his car, and the cover is clearly not attached to the oil tank. It's believed that by opening up the oil tank trunk, the air is able to circulate through the car and create as much as 10 percent more downforce.

Serves him right for depriving the good fans of NASCAR of victory burnouts. If Carl Edwards just smoked his tires like a normal hipster winner, he may not have been caught.

Meanwhile, Robby Gordon won an appeal against NASCAR. (Dodge inadvertently sent him the wrong Charger nose.)

"We plan to put this issue behind us and concentrate on making the Chase in 2008," Gordon said. "Our goal is to be a model team in the future and never go through something like this again."

Maybe the extra burnout from Watkins helped with the appeal?

Kerm and brownie,

Who are your drivers?

I'm happy about the Gordon decision

I can't decide on a driver. At first it was "Front Row" Joe Nemecheck then it was Sam Hornish. Now I think it's Kyle Busch because he brings the lols.

I do like that car that has no sponsors. Can't remember the drivers name.

Kyle is the Jon Williams of NASCAR.

Cast the other drivers as ILXORS:

Kyle would never ban me tho.

Tony Stewart = Tombot?

I think I like everybody in proportion to how much I know about them and how often I hear their name, with a little bit of regional favortism thrown in. But there's no, "I can't stand that asshole, Dick Trickle!" And I'm only a mildly militant Chevy guy.

Actually that goes for NASCAR and ILX...

I fear a big one on this thread now.

Kyle is so misunderstood. I like his recklessness more than Robby's, because it seems less emo and he's in control enough to bring things back from the edge - I think people are seeing him as less preumptuous now that the extent of his skills is becoming clear. I'm glad that RG appealed and won, though. "Actions detrimental to stock car racing," lol.

I know I'm not there yet, but part of me wants to be the Robby Gordon of ILX.

haha Tony Stewart/Tombot OTM

Guess I have to be Danica Patrick(not many options)

Kerm, you can do it. Just keep your nose clean and you'll stay in the top 35.

Kyle Busch is crazy talented BTW. I have him in an office pool.

Greg Biffle as gabbneb
Richard Petty as Ned
Juan Pablo Montoya as chaki

I knew there was a reason for fear

Biffle's from a part of Washington that's politically significant, but seems totally uninteresting from a tourism perspective. Not that I've been there.

Do you have a problem with that Greg?

Danica

http://www.autoracingdaily.com/images/featured/Danica_Patrick_9966.jpg

Danica is so 'formidable'

I said, DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT GREG?

http://cdn.faniq.com/images/blog/dandanspeed.jpg

Mom!

Brownie, Kyle would spin you out at random and not even notice, because he is a RACECAR, not a truck. Whereas Tony would put up with running behind you for a while and then very deliberately wreck you.

Dale Earnhardt Sr as Laurel, obv.

Tombot has tried, in the past, to deliberately wreck me. But I avoided it. Who's good at avoiding wrecks? maybe I am him.

Aw you are Truex then honeypie :)

I do like that car that has no sponsors. Can't remember the drivers name.

I believe that would be Travis Kvapil, who I think should be driving the Aflac duck car.

-- The Biff

me

When you go to the track rent one of these:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2378/2307460034_314f084a54_b.jpg

look at those ducks on the 99 crew jackets!

Pwned!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDp8anVM0eU

maybe too obv, but Elliott Sadler as YGS

i keep reading this as "who among us does not like nancy?"

IACFTPWBAA how are the studies coming?

one of the free-to-air tv stations here has announced it will be showing nascar on its high-definition channel. i need a new tv!

here=Tasmania?

I bet 25 on Truex last weekend. You bet matchups so he was going against Boywer. Truex started in 3rd and ended up 2 laps down when it finished. I blame Goodyear tires and felicity.

close; victoria.

Boywer makes me so bad. He will top 10 you to death.

On a brighter note, my standing $5 bet on the Catsuppppppp Dude won me $40.

LOL bad=mad

Wait what?

I have you in an office betting pool in Phoenix, didn't you know?

I'm a Nascar driver?

I fear a big one on this thread now.

OH I SEE

http://bryancookart.wordpress.com/files/2006/12/kyle-dynamite-bc.jpg

Hit List: Who's the hippest?

none of those guys are as hip as Chad on the Couch - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XkHlXl1u4M&feature=related

i still want to see that Jimmie in NYC video

I was hoping that was going to be Chad Knaus of NASCAR Performance.

I wish I could find tape of that. All I have is Jimmie ringing the closing bell at the NYSE.

Road courses do remind me of pole position, tho, as well as this toy-electric-track-racing place (what are these called?) I went to at least one party at as a kid.

Are you thinking of Slick Track? There's a "road course" in Long Beach where you ride around in mini stock cars.

Best driver: Loren Wallace for GEICO

No, these were like model cars, not ones you could actually sit in. Someone dropped the name on another thread, and I've already forgotten again. I loved driving around in go-karts on the "road course" at Golf 'n Stuff in Ventura when I was 10-12, tho.

<3 Loren Wallace. Those guys are such geniuses.

talk about some good acting

yeah, but when are we gonna see some Chrissy Wallace commercials?

MW did pretty well here

I like the Sammy Hagar "Can't Drive 55" one too.

this Roman Soldier Watercraft at the Glacially-Carved Valley commercial is kinda compelling

nascar is pretty retarded. i think all sports are retarded but this one is particularly retarded.

retarded.

oh I agree

So do we!

http://photos1.blogger.com/photoInclude/blogger/5323/1352/1600/usher%20at%20nascar.jpg

Here's some popSCAR action for ya, B

is gabbneb thinking slot cars?

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f167/jmswms/Targa%20Florio/Overview6.jpg

yes!

http://www.flatoutfun.com/elmsfordraceway.htm

I bought a set a couple years ago. It's grown to 80ft and had to moved to a friends basement. We lead a simple life, in the midwest.

How I miss that simple life, with your slot cars and your barn bowling.

maybe too obv, but Elliott Sadler as YGS

OTM

I think this would look nice on the 28 car

http://www.bayareaforobama.com/northbay/obama-logo.png

Please not Tombot again.

hooray for Burtons; Happy smokes Tony after Screamin' DW and felicity put a spell on him

Thank you Kevin Harvick.

CHILDRESS!

I think this would look nice on the 28 car

and this:

http://67.19.18.90/newimages/screenshot.gif

I placed a bet on Hamlin (matched up against Jr). wtf happened Denny with the last restart.

Denny had fule problems on the restart and couldn't get going again. He actually looks a little like ian. That's a fun clubhouse. Is it the tires guys? Car of Tomorrow?

Seems like Hamlin always goes to starboard in the bottom half of the race.

Is there any debate about who drives the 41 car?

Hamlin is a chaser, and a good one. I'm thinking max. With a 2007 Nationwide win last year, good teammate, helping out the #42 here and there, he is emerging as the star of Ganassi.

"We never had any Vogue here before"

too low-profile for GQ

it occurred to me that different tones might prevail at the magazines

I just just flipped through 25 non-NASCAR henpecked husbands? That was a DNQ.

Biffle into the wall and headed for the garage

My GOP uncle otoh, who while not necessarily a big fan of the sport is a fan of such milieu and has actually been to a race or two, has been smoking Winstons since forever.

apparently he's quit smoking omg wtf!

Quit2winracing.com

Love the way Reed Sorensen has been driving all week long. <3

Oh yeah did you see Montoya put Kasey Kahne into the fence yesterday. Kahne was kind of getting sideways.

that jamie mcmurray, i guess he really cares. a nice win for n/a.

hey brownie, do people from your neck of the woods regard any sprint cup track as home turf?

a nice win for n/a.

Surely you mean Denny Hamli(a)n?

How Nascar Works

yellow flag until you start spelling it NASCAR

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/blog/from_the_marbles/post/Jeff-Gordon-is-in-no-danger-of-cracking-the-Cubs;_ylt=AhtV8BVbo9uIt3Gfjl2tk8Tov7YF?urn=nascar,74288

let's try that again

yeah, but when are we gonna see some Chrissy Wallace commercials?

-- gabbneb, Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:21 PM (2 weeks ago) Bookmark Link

http://spydomusic.com/images/IMG00077.jpg

TEN . . .

awrite

Dad, I'm trying!

green white checkered

great AFLAC commercial

I like the green white flag but Carl Edwards has the personality of a drilled out wheel well. And no burnout.

If I wanted to watch back flips I would watch diving.

On the lighter side, Kyle wins another Nationwide race with no tires shocker!

How about Michael McDowell walking away from that monster wreck on Friday?

Awesome! I wish Z C would turn that into an animated gif. I think of him as Michael McDonald, Mr. Backup driver.

or Z S even

LOL demographics:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3241/2395550407_5719974c8a.jpg?v=0

I like Carl's flat plains style, if not his hokey gun-happiness. I don't think burnout is in his vocabulary. Where's his workout video?

I would like to see a victory interpretive dance.

The only interesting thing. About Carl is that he is always only one Matt Kenseth passive aggressive baiting away from evolving into aggro steroid-HGH CARL-Hulk.

Lol at low man on Rousch Fenway totem pole David Ragan always sucking up to Carl in interviews. Biffle and Kenseth are tight, it is clear that Carl is the Tuomas of that race team.

'roid rage Carl is pretty scary. Is it bait-susceptibility? Maybe from Matt's pov. I think Carl's perspective is tunnel-vision - if you're in his way, he'll give you a gentle prod, but if you're blocking his agenda, he gets mad. If someone can't accept the fact that he's faster, he'll make concrete the fact that he's stronger too. He's not just another NASCAR driver, but Smilin' Carl Edwards, Inc., NASCAR affiliate. Not that I think that it's right.

maybe Roush Fenway is the D&D kids' table in the cafeteria, and Carl is the above-it-all afterschool karate black belt of the group.

Oh yeah, Kenseth's the most plausible-denial passive-aggressive mf in Cup.

He even got to Gordon at Bristol one year.

The one thing Carl does not understand is the importance, over the season, of making friends or at least creating doubt in his potential enemies. Has he ever won one a plate track??

Well, he's certainly passed the can-run-up-front test, but that's not the same as friend-making. Maybe he's betting he can win without it. He seems friendly enough with mellower and more pliable Rowdy, who does pretty well himself.

Oh yeah, Kenseth's the most plausible-denial passive-aggressive mf in Cup

I thought he was just kinda squirrely-inscrutable, but I've never really paid too much attention. I can see it.

Oh he's hysterical on radio.

Matt to Spotter: Am I clear?
Matt's Spotter: I can't see anything.
Matt: Ok, I'll let you know if I see anything you need to know about.

lol

Yeah, DISH commercial is pretty true to life.

Kenseth really gets inside Carl's head, telling him on team radio that he should let him by, stay out for a lead lap, etc. and then when Carl expects reciprocation he won't.

well that doesn't sound very nice. Matt seems so mild.

I haven't seen or don't remember the DISH commercial

I know. He seems so bland yet he can take it to the point where he makes people lose it.

let's see if this works.

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Nope.

Jeff Gordon shoves Matt Kenseth

Kenseth Hulk baits Carl Edwards

seen those. gordon is still funny in his spaceballs helmet. and this is priceless

he aint a fag dude, he's like tiger woods, just something different about him

f word not cool

By the way, there's been plenty of times earlier in his career where he did take off his helmet and went at it, so seriously, shut up.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news;_ylt=Au8tHpdgKSqvBF2Uez4GERXov7YF?slug=jb-mailbag040908&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Link too long; didn't c + p.

a special link for u

Not busting your chops, but what are you pointing at? (I do agree with the guy who said Texas last week was too long didn't watch.)

Hope phoenix will be better. I am going.

Carl Edwards is such a cipher. Video simulators have more personality. If he wins Cup I may go off it for a while.

Not busting your chops, but what are you pointing at?

the CoT's role in boringness-production, as originally argued in the article linked at the top of the link. perhaps that, rather than Kyle Busch or Kelly Clarkson, accounts for the falloff in viewership.

Phx shd be fun.

Naw, only old school crusties like the twisted sister. CoT is much more interesting racing.

It's the boring tracks like Texas and Poconos that turn people off. Heritage Southern fans hate Poconos because it cost them the Darlington 500 and its too tedious to attract new race fans.

Adding a second Vegas race was a good move. Poconos has 2 races too many. Who wants to watch it rain on 42 cars parked around a 3 mile triangle? Twisted sister car parked for rain delay is still a parked car.

At least it won't rain in Phoenix.

I think the contention would be that the viewing audience is significantly comprised of old school crusties

I still might go get rained on at Pocono

What contention. The reason NASCAR has been moving the schedule around and pushing the Northeastern races has been to enlarge the audience.

Poconos would be a race very much in character for you.

I have $5 big ones riding on Biff at Vegas to win Sprint Cup. Biffle was going off at 35-1, absurdly short.

The lack of Hendrick's dominance this has been the biggest surprise of the year to me.

What contention

mine that tv viewership is down as of last year in part due to the CoT

Poconos would be a race very much in character for you.

how so?

It just is.

Well, there must be some reason.

I just can't believe you would choose Poconos over Richmond as your first race.

well, I may very well not, but it doesn't look like Richmond I will be an option for me this year, and I can go to Pocono for 1/3 the cost in time+money

Just don't blame me if you hate NASCAR after you do.

Unexpected NASCAR indie rock moment: tailgaters near us in the Phoenix Raceway parking lot blasting Amsterdam by Peter, Bjorn & John.

Rumor is that Tony Stewart and Christy Wallace are an item. Supposedly Ashley Judd is here.

Rumor is that Tony Stewart and Christy Wallace are an item

aw. so Tara Roqu3more is off again?

Yeah and J.J.Yeley's sister, who works with my brother. Seems Tony is quite the ladies' man.

oh to be short, chubby and rich

Great race. First win for Hendrick. Gordon continues to have bad cars. Chad Knaus's gamble on fuel strategy paid off. The 48 had no gas left after the burnout, so the car had to be pushed into victory lane by a tow truck.

After the race, Truex was badmouthing DEI Engines to his crew over the radio:

MTJ: The 8 should have won.
Crew: Yeah.
MTJ: Did the 31 make it? [on gas, referring to another Chevy team]
Crew: Yeah.
MTJ: [Referring to DEI Engines] They don't run and they run out of gas.
Crew:
MTJ: Are we on radio?
Scanner: (turns off)

Ganassi and Petty Racing are in death spirals. They don't qualify, they lose sponsors (General Mills just defected to Childress), so they can't build the good engines, they don't get the Glengarry leads . . . etc.

So unfair that because Carl Edwards' crew chief was caught cheating with the oil tank cover Edwards now gets an even better crew chief, Robbie Reiser during the suspension. Bleah.

oh to be short, chubby and rich

http://hickorymotorspeedway.com/2007/results07_photos/6_2LMWin.jpg

Chrissy Wallace isn't that chubby, milo.

haw!

Chad is a mathlete now. Carl did pretty well on a shorter track, huh? getting Robbie as crew chief sounds like the Chicago Way. my parents were not mollified by the duck car when the baseball game was rudely preempted, tho. :(

i am hoping the Ganassi and Petty sputtering results in the revival of Tony Raines

Chad Knaus has always been very smart.

Fastenal... except the bumper, lol

amazing race. talladega sure looks purty.

Best Race of '08

Talledega's always a blast.

burnouts are never, ever, not good.

-- haitch, Wednesday, February 13, 2008 3:42 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Link

Inaugural Pennzoil Burnout Competition this Saturday, 6:15 p.m. ET before the Sprint Showdown

"in Christ's name, Amen, Shalom," huh

only now I find out one of my best friends in college got to ride in the pace car at Richmond?

Ayo!

Dale Jr. on What Really Matters:

"I knew I was gonna get a good deal [from Hendrick Motor Sports]. It wasn't really about trying to maximize that and push and push to get that number up as high as I can get it.

In the middle of the year, is that really gonna matter? You know when you're in the guts of the season and you're racing, what really matters?

What really matters is when you walk up to your car and you go, the black side skirts are ugly."

http://www.forbesautos.com/advice/toptens/cars-of-nascar-drivers-2008-story.html?partner=ybuzz

Cute! Kasey has a Viper and OMG I love Kyle Petty's Charger.

We're going to Sonoma.

Casey Mears owns this and Forbes shows his '61 Impala and a new Tahoe? Hi, advertisers! What a boring list. Ryan Newman's the only one half trying.

Welcome back to NASCAR!

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i bid a gimlet farewell to 'digger' and his marketing empire and eagerly anticipate the return of wally's world

I have won $240 on the Kyleeeeeeeeeeeee Dude 茄蕃 this season. I used my winnings to buy a new camera.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news?slug=ap-nascar-harassmentlawsuit&prov=ap&type=lgns

It's bad publicity and it's a shame but Poston's going to do the right thing.

Read any class action complaint and you'll see the same or worse happening at places from IBM to Merril Lynch.

JIMMY JOHNSON

this is what i say whenever nascar comes up

JIMMY JOHNSON

whenever i catch the tail end of a race on tv i always pull for him & he does not often disappoint

It's Jimmie Johnson, friend.

But yeah, he's a great one to root for.

pwned <3

but yeah whenever i watch a nascar race at the end its always like 'should jimmie go for it or not?' & im always like FUCK YES & he always does then he wins

He's such an awesome good sport, too.

i have been promised "nascar merchandise"!

Pocono might not be the best racing, but it sure looks purty on the tv

Suspiciously smaller-than-a-breadbox NASCAR merchandise, perhaps?

OMG I am so excited about Sonoma. I got comped tickets from my friend at Turner.

I am as yet uncertain of the size or nature of said merch, but may find out this weekend.

This is a good commercial. Someone said it was DJ not Shadow, the other one.

You know, from the 90s but not as good. Oh yeah, Spooky.

i gave my parents a nascar-related item because it also involved something they like. i kept a picture or two tho.

AP says Tony to run his own team, possibly picking up Newman

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/tom_bowles/07/11/obama/?eref=sircrc

awesome/finally

i actually sent them an email recommending Kvapil's car. I'm sure these things are related.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2008/7/8/jimmie-johnson-says-nascar-fans-arent-alike-but-will-choose-mccain.html

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Update_Obama_passes_on_NASCAR_sponsorship_0712.html

Samsung Instinct NASCAR application, as demonstrated at Mashable.

(video commentary by yours truly)

i got this guy for my parents' collection

http://web.mac.com/ben.gardner/iWeb/Site/Animals_files/P1000080.jpg

...

I was watching the driver view during practice and everything looked familiar and I realized I dropped many quarters into Indy racing at Coney last weekend and I was all I KNOW YOU, MANG

TS: Dover (or New Hampshire) + Mets-Phils vs. Richmond weekend + Mets-Braves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICi3kIzSIZg&feature=related

Got any questions for Casey Mears? I'm interviewing him tomorrow.

NOPE

yeah, who's his candidate?

I'll ask.

Got any questions for Casey Mears? I'm interviewing him tomorrow.

I suppose I'd ask him for his view on the cheating scandal with Joe Gibbs Racing. Also what he thought of Junior Johnson's reply at: http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/columns/story?columnist=hinton_ed&id=3548448

Also, is he going to race the 24 Hours of Daytona again?

Yeah, I'm totally going to ask him about the cheating. It's so blatant. I want to know if their attitude is like "LOL U BUSTED" or U Jerk.

Hey, good question about the 24 hours of Daytona, too. Thanks!

so why is McDowell still in this series?

i may be going to dover next weekend. how do i go about getting one of those scanner thingies? is there a kind to get? and what do i do with it? does it serve the earplug function?

http://thepage.time.com/mccain-pool-report-3/

http://sports.yahoo.com/nascar/news;_ylt=AgFc04FXc_dVtMgcEScu94nov7YF?slug=bm-edwards091108&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

On the subject of politics, Edwards had very strong opinions. When the subject turned to the current presidential election, he offered no direct endorsement of one candidate over another.

“People are smart, and they know the difference between what’s best for them and what’s not,” Edwards said. “I think they know who turns things around and who is telling the truth.

I don't cuz it preempted The Simpsons!!! Why is it NEVER the other way around?????? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....................

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dCpO-e3yyp0/TqlSidQ5WcI/AAAAAAAAAe8/0Cpvfxb3qyU/s400/tony-stewart-GC.jpg

Tony Stewart in high school.

surely some mistake!

wtf

The NASCAR driver known as "The Outlaw" testified Tuesday he believes his ex-girlfriend is a trained assassin dispatched on covert missions around the world who once returned to him in a blood-splattered gown.

"Everybody on the outside can tell me I'm crazy, but I lived on the inside and saw it firsthand," Kurt Busch said when his attorney, Rusty Hardin, questioned why he still believed Patricia Driscoll is a hired killer.

amazing

Lol rain delay

i saw that Ryan Newman crash and was worried it was gonna be some Russell Phillips shit but the dude walked out of the hospital today. pre-Earnhardt he'd probably be dead.

https://i.imgur.com/dLzS5qL.jpg

I don't like how much I like and appreciate NASCAR now that they banned the traitor's flag and Dale Earnhardt Jr. basically said "Black Lives Matter". As someone else stated, "You know you're living in the wrong timeline when the right-wingers get Harry Potter and the left-wingers get NASCAR."

Not the thread starter one might have expected.