Penn & Teller's Bullshit!

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Anyone else been watching the third season?

It's my fave thing on TV right now...

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 28 May 2005 19:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

You can only access that page from the US? What the...? Not much help if I want to download it or something. Or even find out more about it.

Guymauve (Guymauve), Saturday, 28 May 2005 19:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I've been watching a few of the old shows on the tv streaming thing on winamp. they're pretty good. we need more Penn and Teller on tv over here. I loved the magic shows they did when I was younger

jellybean (jellybean), Saturday, 28 May 2005 19:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

that's so lame.

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 28 May 2005 19:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

bullshit has its heart in the right place but i think it's often a little too reactionary. genetically modified food will save the planet! greenpeace are nothing but dopey trust-fund college students! hey, i can appreciate indictments of the extreme left, but sometimes it seems like p & t's message is "sitting on your ass and doing nothing is better than being one of those earnest misguided dipshits who care about, like, stuff."

a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's the reason I'm considering getting Showtime!

Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

save your money and download the episodes!

a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

It's the reason I'm considering getting Showtime!

Save your cash and get them off of BitTorrent.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:19 (twelve years ago) Permalink

that's what i said.

a collectivist romantic fling! (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 28 May 2005 20:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

From the celebrity atheist site:

"Penn is such an ardent atheist he refuses to go to weddings" writes Joshua Quittner in a PJ profile in WIRED 2.09.

latebloomer: B Minus Time Traveler (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

im not sure whether to applaud that or call the dude out for being an asshole.

latebloomer: B Minus Time Traveler (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 May 2005 16:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i've never met a self-proclaimed libertarian that wasn't an asshole.

Did the glacier in the library bounce today? (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 29 May 2005 17:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I've got Season One on my Ziplist (Cdn version of Netflix) as a PRIORITY.

Huk-L, Monday, 30 May 2005 13:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

if they had balls they'd do an episode on libertarianism. maybe a guest host would be required for that one... perhaps martin gardner?

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 30 May 2005 20:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i still think it's a great series though.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 30 May 2005 20:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Penn is a FREAK. A FREAK.

His thinking is very simplistic and just as reactionary as the other side of the idiot polemic he argues against. The only decent things I've seen on the show are the less ideological stuff-like designer water, for example.

I know someone who loves him, but she's a sucker for any athetist with a penis.

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 30 May 2005 20:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

penn is an entertaining comedian and magician.

charleston charge (chaki), Monday, 30 May 2005 23:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

They both brazenly flirted with my at the time 16 year old sister. Eww.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 00:16 (twelve years ago) Permalink

ugh, skeevy.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 03:13 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Makes you wonder what else they do together.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 03:22 (twelve years ago) Permalink

penn's married, teller has a lifetime partner.

kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 04:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I only rented one DVD: Loved the Ouija Board debunking, but yeah, some "libertarian" pro-corporate types seem to see the world only in terms of people who work for a living versus wackos.

Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 16:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

The PETA one is the scariest thing ever. But I think the recycling one failed.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

some "libertarian" pro-corporate types seem to see the world only in terms of people who work for a living versus wackos.

OTM (your opinion, not the libertarian one)

The Pinup Girls of YANK (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Don't the randroids actually have terms for those? Productives vs. leeches or something.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:15 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I think "wackos" is a bit harsh. Often it's people who have an informed opinion vs. people who just have an opinion.

slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:20 (twelve years ago) Permalink

no, on bullshit even those with informed opinions are wackos.

The Pinup Girls of YANK (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I haven't seen more than a handful of random episodes, but the one about second hand smoke not being bad for you was really, really unconvincing. I guess the claim was that you're unlikely to inhale enough to hurt you secondhand, but... look, I smoke like a chimney, and I don't like smoking in restaurants. It's just common sense. Come on, Penn.

slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

And I saw one with a lot naked people, and it was kinda pointless and icky.

slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Oh! And the Global Warming Episode! I was OUTRAGED!

You know what? Every episode of this that I've seen has pissed me off. Ok, fuck this show.

slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:28 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I started watching the one on college which was idiotic, but one of my best friends swears by the water episode.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:34 (twelve years ago) Permalink

you don't really need to drink water?

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:36 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the one on college which was idiotic

I watched the online clip of that last night because of this thread, and it seemed to follow the formula. Here's this venerated respectable person who agrees with us, and... sheesh! Look at this fuckin' idiot!... who represents our opposition.

slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

everybody knows that most bottled water is just tap water, but i'll still stand up for "smartwater" and eternally roll my eyes at people who insist on saying "i'll take my water stupid, thank you" (oh fuck off, you ignoramus).

The Pinup Girls of YANK (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Whenever I see it I keep thinking, well, that was fun and kinda-okay, but it might have been better if he'd done, like TWO MINUTES RESEARCH ON THE INTERNET. Or is empiricism bullshit, too? The idea's okay, the execution's flat-out lazy. And Penn can't do sarcasm.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:37 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Penn Jillette = Conan Doyle + Dave Sim

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:39 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Even the designer water one, though hilarious (naming one of the gourmet brands "Agua de Culo" was pretty funny), didn't really prove the intended point. It said a lot more about people's behavior when being filmed than it did about expensive water.

Keep in mind, Penn is the type of person who claims to hate wacko pseudo-pundits... and then he pops up in shit like "Michael Moore Hates America." He's a boob.

On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 20:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

ten months pass...
Penn's seriousness is still grating, but the death penalty episode was pretty dang great.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 22 April 2006 20:34 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the show's fun, but it should be called making fun of idiots, as they always find the stupidest possible people to advocate the position they're arguing against.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

otm

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

So a more libertarian TV Nation then?

I've only seen the War On Drugs episode thanks to Elvis and S. Cindy, and that one was great, incidentally.

DOQQUN (donut), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what were they debunking in the death penalty episode?

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 22 April 2006 21:51 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the show's fun, but it should be called making fun of idiots, as they always find the stupidest possible people to advocate the position they're arguing against.

yeah, i really dislike the show for this reason. it makes for good comedy, but i wish their targets weren't so easy. they sweep a stupid hippie off the beach so they can say "look! hippies are stupid!"

even cathy berberian's nose (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 22 April 2006 22:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

after seeing more episodes, i'm less enthused.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Sunday, 23 April 2006 04:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what were they debunking in the death penalty episode?

Statistics used by pro-death penalty people that supposedly prove that capital punishment deters crime.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Sunday, 23 April 2006 16:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ok good!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 23 April 2006 18:33 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the infamous p3t@ epsiode

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 19:39 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I like the fact that the show spends a good chunk of time actually considering some of the key problems/debates of our time. Ultimately I disagree with the conclusions and even the methodology, but what other show even tackles these issues? My fellow Berkeley/SF/Oakland residents are a bit of a Green Party hivemind, so it's nice to be confronted with a wildy divergent opinion that isn't based on an impulse toward theocracy, xenophobia, etc.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 20:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

tru dat. i do wish they weren't so disingenuous with their editing choices and arguments sometimes. but it's no worse than michael moore i suppose.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 20:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ha ha good job not calling "BULL.. SHIT!" on the center for consumer freedom as you quote them & base your entire argument on their assertions

+--++--++, Tuesday, 25 April 2006 21:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

yeah, it's basically asshats calling out other asshats for being asshats when all the various asshat factions in question should just get together and have asshat sex and have asshat children. er...not have asshat children, i haven't quite done the asshat math completely.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 21:37 (eleven years ago) Permalink

in any case, asshats!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 25 April 2006 21:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Asshat sex sounds, if not exactly mainstream, at least a little cute. I mean...the hats are clearly yellow, are they not?

Tiny Hats, Indeed, Wednesday, 26 April 2006 01:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Wow, that PETA episode . . . I mean, pointing out PETA's problems is a bit like shooting fish in a barrel, but Penn & Teller say the FISH are DEMONIC SEAMONSTERS, the barrel is YOUR POOL IN YOUR BACKYARD, and let's just blow all of it up for shits & giggles. They lost me in the first 30 seconds when they deliberately misdefined "ethical". Penn & Teller have lost a fan, PETA haven't gained one, nobody wins. Fucking libertarian nihilists.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 07:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Hahaha, I think the Center for Cinsumer Freedom guy was jealous of PETA's over the top moves. "They juxtaposed holocaust victims with livestock farms. [Cut out by Penn: They totally stole that move from us.]"

Abbott (Abbott), Thursday, 27 April 2006 01:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

More upsetting than anything in that ep. was seeing P&T all leathered out. Hello "Sex Over the Phone."

Abbott (Abbott), Thursday, 27 April 2006 01:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

they also called bush-lite on environmentalism

a.b. (alanbanana), Thursday, 27 April 2006 02:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

this show suxxx (shockah)

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 27 April 2006 02:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
lol just saw the episode about teachers. damn what a buncha whiners. wahh i get summers off. wahhhh.

¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ¨ˆ (chaki), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 23:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

this is some Stossel-level bullshit innit

Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:29 (ten years ago) Permalink

From everything I've read about the show, yes.

Disappointing, really, since P&T television specials used to be awesome.

kingfish, Friday, 29 June 2007 17:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

it's more fun to watch if you imagine the people watching aren't the choir, and p/t aren't preaching to it

Will M., Friday, 29 June 2007 17:37 (ten years ago) Permalink

Right, because this country is FULL of self-described libertarians who love magic and mutes.

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

The gun control episode is a hoot. "Guns are good, because, uh, freedom is good. And guns = freedom!" I think they even tried a variation on 'overthrowing the multilateralist black helicopter government if need be' line. It was some real Roger Adultery shit.

(nb: and I'm not a supporter of gun control)

milo z, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

The "Wal-Mart is good" episode kinda pissed me off. I didn't watch any more after that.

Rock Hardy, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:32 (ten years ago) Permalink

the show is getting worse and worse.

kenan, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

Right, because this country is FULL of self-described libertarians who love magic and mutes.

Not nec., but plenty of geeks and nerds who love magic & mutes are badly socialized enough to be libertarian. Core audience & whatnot.

kingfish, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

ya too many smart kids w/ no friends reading "the fountainhead" in 7th grade and thinking that it explains why they havent gotten laid

max, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:41 (ten years ago) Permalink

or maybe they havent gotten laid in 7th grade because theyre only 11.

max, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:42 (ten years ago) Permalink

Right, and take those people and advance them 40 years, and then have them get put into some apparatchik position in a U.S. Admin.

kingfish, Friday, 29 June 2007 18:46 (ten years ago) Permalink

that or HELLO FARK.COM

max, Friday, 29 June 2007 19:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

isn't this just the magic man's version of john stossel segments?

mh, Friday, 29 June 2007 20:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

isn't this just the magic man's version of john stossel segments?

Yeah, the fourth season was all reactionary without any of the fun of the first two seasons.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 29 June 2007 20:25 (ten years ago) Permalink

i called it pretty early on.

get bent, Friday, 29 June 2007 20:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

I like the part of the episode where Penn earnestly sympathizes with those in serious emotional pain searching for some comfort. He's not trying to mock their struggles, he has problems too. But the shamelessness of these...ASSHOLES who profit from other people's misery that just gets his blood boiling.

Teller's usually not pulling a bandana through his nose during that speech.

da croupier, Sunday, 1 July 2007 13:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

I only got through disc 1 of season 1 before giving up but I gather that it didn't get better.

da croupier, Sunday, 1 July 2007 14:00 (ten years ago) Permalink

Right, because this country is FULL of self-described libertarians who love magic and mutes.

I was thinking more like, full of people who think they're smarter than dumb people and love laughing at dumb people's CRAAAAAZY IDEAAAAS (like the healing crystals are bullshit episode-- no healing crystal fans are turning on the TV and thinking, "I want to watch P&T. What? These new age magnets are bullshit?! THANKS GUYS! clearly everyone watching the show was already pretty anti-healing crystals). Also, atheists.

Will M., Sunday, 1 July 2007 17:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

k, I've just seen four episodes of this show....and while I admit some of the episodes are funny, after seeing the environment and diversity episodes,....they make Michael Moore seem fair and balanced (not that I dislike M.M.).

the assessments above are OTM, wish I had read your warnings first.

Bo Jackson Overdrive, Monday, 4 August 2008 02:27 (nine years ago) Permalink

plenty of geeks and nerds who love magic & mutes are badly socialized enough to be libertarian. Core audience & whatnot.

-- kingfish, Friday, June 29, 2007 6:40 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

this is ridic otm

so many old school magic bros have gone this route it's ;_;

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 4 August 2008 03:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

ya scifi writers too.

s1ocki, Monday, 4 August 2008 03:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

The show on free range kids has redeemed this season somewhat

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 12 August 2008 23:08 (nine years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Today, they are on ITV doing a Magician's X-Factor type thing.

Wonder if Teller will speak during this? (I know he does when the occasion suits, so ..)

Mark G, Friday, 7 January 2011 11:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Love this show.. 90% of the time.

OTM episodes: Alt meds, creationism, obesity, detoxing, new age meds, being green, stranger danger, good ol days, antivaxers

The other 10% is infuriating.

Jeff, Friday, 7 January 2011 13:19 (seven years ago) Permalink

That's a good hit rate for that kind of show.

Mark G, Friday, 7 January 2011 13:46 (seven years ago) Permalink

Also hilarious cursing. "What the fucking fuck, fuck you in the neck."

Jeff, Friday, 7 January 2011 13:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

eh their smugness would be more tolerable if i knew they were using reliable data instead of sourcing it from whatever shady corporate funded fake laboratories

ice cr?m, Friday, 7 January 2011 14:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

Has anyone seen their movie? "Penn & Teller Get Killed"

I read the synopsis, it sounds like the worst thing ever.

Mark G, Monday, 10 January 2011 16:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Catch them in Run DMC's "It's Tricky" video.

I no longer think this is a great series. Shit went off the rails.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 10 January 2011 19:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

I really enjoyed "Penn & Teller Get Killed" when I was like 13/14, but then again, I was like 13/14

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 10 January 2011 19:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

i remember being like "oh wow" about all the references to the Velvet Underground they threw in there...

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 10 January 2011 19:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah I'm pretty confused like everyone else as to what the point of the show is. I like Penn & Teller and think they're funny, but they only make half of the show funny, with the other half being some kind of patched-together debate between a well-spoken professor or scientist and some drugged-out halfwit they pull from the street, it's so intellectually dishonest that not even the hardcore skeptics can agree with the show's message. Which is too bad because I like these guys. But mostly the show just makes me mad, I wish they had like half the diligence of, say, Mythbusters.

frogbs, Monday, 10 January 2011 20:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean i think its biggest problem is that it shouldn't have gone six seasons. like it was pretty funny in the first two seasons watching them take down low hanging fruit like faith healers and psychics in the sense of "here's how these scams work."

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 10 January 2011 20:11 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean but also, just saw the list of eps, and like control+F "scientology" not found

Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 10 January 2011 20:13 (seven years ago) Permalink

i mean i think its biggest problem is that it shouldn't have gone six seasons. like it was pretty funny in the first two seasons watching them take down low hanging fruit like faith healers and psychics in the sense of "here's how these scams work."

OTM, I more or less jumped off around season 4

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 10 January 2011 20:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ohhh man, "Penn and Teller Get Killed" was so bad. I saw it at age 20, but I probably would have liked it more at 13 & 14 when I was their #1 fan from their PBS show of my childhood and from their book How to Play With Your Food and How to Play in Traffic. It was just the worst "aren't I the coolest" shit, just the total shit Vegas ego of Penn Jillette jizzing in spurts for 90 minutes. Total fantasy of how they wish they were. The climax is Penn ranting at a psychic surgeon (in a public square iirc?) and taking him down with grand success in a storm of spittle-drenched vituperation. Big close-up of his pointing finger. Just ridiculous. But I still enjoy both of those books.

I am actually still a huge P&T nerd. I watched that British magic contest of theirs and I couldn't believe how pleasantly diplomatic Penn was being. It was a fun show, too – the cell phone fish trick was gross/awesome, and the bolo tie card guy was too great. Not sure why there were so many ppl going the neoclassical route when the goal was to fool ppl, but I appreciated it.

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

A guy did a trick from ancient Egypt ffs!

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

It was mainly because Magicians rarely get onto TV over here, so it got PT onto screens here, and also showed that there's roomfor more than one magician on TV (prev: Paul Daniels, now=Derren Brown)

Mark G, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

I thought it was nice – Vegas could use some gentle 3,000 year old magic.

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 00:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

Abbbottt, that PBS special was so important for me growing up too. How old r u

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 02:35 (seven years ago) Permalink

I am 27.

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 02:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

Was it Penn & Teller: Don't Try This At Home or another one? (I'm 31)

Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 02:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

It was their TV show "Behind the Scenes" abt art and shit!

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 02:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

It was defs a for kids show, too. I think my mom still thinks of them as kid show hosts.

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 02:50 (seven years ago) Permalink


Painting and Drawing: David Hockney, Wayne Thiebaud and Robert Gil De Montes
DAVID HOCKNEY, the world-famous artist whose work spans painting, drawing, book illustrations, photo-collage and set design, shows how modern artists play with the conventions of perspective, illusion of depth and the vanishing point. Artist WAYNE THIEBAUD shows how volume, shape, feeling and movement can transform a simple line into art. And MATT GROENING, creator of The Simpsons and Futurama, demonstrates the art of comic strips. ROBERT GIL DE MONTES, the celebrated painter, relies on the imaginative and unusual use of color to create art that reflects a keen awareness of his Mexican roots.

I want to watch this again!

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Tuesday, 11 January 2011 02:51 (seven years ago) Permalink

lol i thought for a sec that was a bullshit episode abt art

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 06:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

also these guys are libertarians so basically, scum of the earth

ice cr?m, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 06:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

p & t had a v good trick

first they told u to get a blank vhs ready to record

then they thought u how to get someone to pick a specific card from the deck, say ♣8

they said to invite your friend over, do this trick, get the card wrong, be sad & say "oh well, whatchu wanna do now, let's watch some tv i guess"

at that point u secretly play the footage they are about to tell u to record, which was a highly recognizable & serious newsreader finishing off a legit-sounding report and then saying, "and this just in: was this your card?" *holds up a GIANT ♣8 card out of nowhere*

zvookster, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 07:49 (seven years ago) Permalink

I was infuriated by the episode where they claim that tap water tastes the same as bottled water. I can taste chlorine, you fat fuck.

Matt Armstrong, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 07:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

they thought u oh my goodness

zvookster, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 07:57 (seven years ago) Permalink

I remember seeing their book, and there was a page in it that had a fake recipe for some lovely looking dinner, except the result would be nothing like as successful if it was followed.

Basically, it was a prank for you to leave this somewhere where someone nosy would see it, go *ooh* and make a copy of it and do it at home, to failed result.

Made me think, "Where do these guys live?"

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 09:15 (seven years ago) Permalink

xp What has Penn's size got to do with his loathing of bottled water?

Just been watching P & Get Killed in youtube - the whole thing is there but I doubt you'd get past part 1. It's exactly how Abbott describes it. And they look spookily young. I did enjoy the Fool Us prog though, mostly because it seemed Penn had brought the rage down a notch or two. All the card tricks were amazing.

Ned Trifle (Notinmyname), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 11:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

Apart from the guy that implied that he'd implanted a suggestion in JRoss' mind, who Penn called out (did he shout Bullshit or just Bull, there?) and pretty much explained the trick, all the acts got respect for what they did.

I guess Penn keeps the rage for people on the "bullshit" show trying to defraud people.

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 11:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

I remember seeing the ad for the P&T film in my (then current) copy of the "What Goes On" Velvet Underground App Soc mag, and wondered why we didn't get cool film like that over here.

Mark G, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 12:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

has anyone seen the vegas show?

Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 12:25 (seven years ago) Permalink

I agree that water matters. It matters when you drink it straight, and when you make coffee, and beer, and whiskey, and... water has taste, and it matters. HOWEVER they're right that bottled water is bullshit, at least the way we market and consume it most of the time.

I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 15:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah but I can tell the difference between tap water and purified bottled water, and I suspect everyone else can too.

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 17:20 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah but a lot of bottled water is from municipal water supplies.

I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 17:26 (seven years ago) Permalink

People think they can taste the difference between a lot of things, but blind tests usually prove otherwise.

Jeff, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 17:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

Almost always, in fact. The latest Freakonomics podcast was about wine. Just guess what they found.

I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 17:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

More about wine: http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2008/11/expensive_wine_1.php

Jeff, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 17:42 (seven years ago) Permalink

Ummm, even in a blind taste test I am sure I could tell the difference between "spring water" (which is usually just tap water, I guess) and purified water. I buy the 24-packs for home and used to accidentally get the spring water every once in a while before noticing how it tasted like tap water every time (you know, without really knowing what was on the label). It's not a placebo effect or anything. They literally do taste different.

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 18:14 (seven years ago) Permalink

No argument, they do. I know Houston tap water when I taste it, for sure. Ew.

But part of the experiment, for both the water and the wine, was presenting ordinary, inexpensive, or even outright crappy product to people as if it were the finest of the fine, and that influences people's opinion ENORMOUSLY, in every experiment ever done, like, in history.

I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 18:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah but I don't know exactly what that proves. Most people who buy expensive wine do it for the image, like I would argue if you're on a date, you would get the expensive wine for reasons that have nothing to do with how it actually tastes. Our brains just naturally assume they taste better...that they don't doesn't really matter too much. Also, I am sure that if we blind tested, say, 128 kbps vs. 192 kbps MP3s on $20 headphones, most people would say the one labelled 192 'sounds better'. Actually, even on a good stereo I don't think most of your standard music fanatics could tell between say, 256 VBR and lossless. It doesn't really prove anything.

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 18:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

It proves humans are delusional. Which is good to remember if you deal with humans at all.

Jeff, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 18:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

i'm still not sure that vinyl sounds better than CD tbh

I Lost A COGHdrop in His Pato (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 18:55 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.

polyphonic, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 18:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

It doesn't if the CD is mastered properly (hint: most of them aren't)

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 19:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

I've heard vinyl rips to mp3 that sound better than the CD, or more flattering anyway. If you play around with wav files on a computer, you can hear sample bit-depth (word length?) empirically affect the perceived quality of the sound way more than sample frequency.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 19:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

(these are all very important tradeoffs to someone wanting to fit as many high-quality-sounding fart noises on a floppy disk as possible)

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 19:06 (seven years ago) Permalink

p & t had a v good trick

first they told u to get a blank vhs ready to record

then they thought u how to get someone to pick a specific card from the deck, say ♣8

they said to invite your friend over, do this trick, get the card wrong, be sad & say "oh well, whatchu wanna do now, let's watch some tv i guess"

at that point u secretly play the footage they are about to tell u to record, which was a highly recognizable & serious newsreader finishing off a legit-sounding report and then saying, "and this just in: was this your card?" *holds up a GIANT ♣8 card out of nowhere*

Ha! They have so many variations on this. In How to Play with Your Food it was always 3 of clubs. They had a little pattern you could print out to send to your pizza place to design a 3 of clubs pizza to be delivered. "Is this your card?" Also they made a lot of "pizza trick" jokes which I didn't get at age 13 (also popcorn trick! rude stuff! I didn't even know erections existed!). They said a friend of theirs got a tattoo of three of clubs on the palm of his hand to do this trick. P hardcore!

I remember seeing their book, and there was a page in it that had a fake recipe for some lovely looking dinner, except the result would be nothing like as successful if it was followed.

Basically, it was a prank for you to leave this somewhere where someone nosy would see it, go *ooh* and make a copy of it and do it at home, to failed result.

Made me think, "Where do these guys live?"

lol – the recipe had you mix vinegar and baking powder. The best thing about this is you were supposed to fax it to people.

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Thursday, 13 January 2011 01:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

I like their stupid tricks and bad jokes so, so much better than I like "Bullshit"!

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Thursday, 13 January 2011 01:58 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIU6ZNBxIRo

Loup-Garou G (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 13 January 2011 04:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSiI0N_fjas

Loup-Garou G (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 13 January 2011 04:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

"Three of clubs" is classic, being an easily recogniseable 'medium' card

not like, say, nine or ten of hearts, where conj goes "Is this your card" and the guy goes "um, maybe, let me count the hearts..... yep!"

Mark G, Thursday, 13 January 2011 10:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

The point with bottled water isnt the taste, its the fact coca-cola amatil et al claim you have to buy bottled water because your tap water is full of germs and chemicals.

BULLSHIT. It is not, if you live in a westernised city. Bottled water otoh sits in storage and parking lots and shops in the sun and gets all gross and has been shown in tests to have far more ecoli and etc than tap water.

Dont buy bottled water, any of you. Just dont. It is a crime against everything, a problem created by coca cola to make money.

Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 11:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Then again, the first time I made a disprin with bottled water, I was like "whoa, it actually dissolves! As opposed to "go all clumpy and have to be stirred"".

Mark G, Thursday, 13 January 2011 12:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

The point with bottled water isnt the taste, its the fact coca-cola amatil et al claim you have to buy bottled water because your tap water is full of germs and chemicals.

Where do they claim this?

frogbs, Thursday, 13 January 2011 14:21 (seven years ago) Permalink

"In designing DASANI to be the best tasting water, we start with the local water supply, which is then filtered to remove impurities."

"Since [Aquafina's] state-of-the-art HydRO-7 purification system removes substances most other bottled waters leave in, you get pure water and perfect taste every time."

"Does Aquafina remove the substances like bacteria or gaseous compounds?
Our state-of-the-art HydRO-7™ purification system is designed to remove dissolved solids and organic compounds that may be present in the water. The reverse osmosis process we use removes these organic compounds, but we also employ other steps such as carbon filtration, ozonation, and Ultra Violet (UV) light as additional safeguards."

"Does the Aquafina purification process remove pharmaceuticals?

The Aquafina purification process uses the best technology available to purify water. It is an accredited and validated process that meets or exceeds government standards and has been verified by independent experts.

The seven-step RO-7 process includes reverse osmosis, ozonation and carbon filtration. Each of these steps - even individually - is designed to remove manufactured molecules such as pharmaceuticals, as well as naturally occurring substances such as heavy metals. When these steps are used together, as they are in our proprietary RO-7 process, they further ensure the purity of Aquafina."

you think you're cool, but you read ick (Phil D.), Thursday, 13 January 2011 14:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

So is none of that actually true? Or, is it true but not really a big deal (as in, tap water won't get you sick anyway).

frogbs, Thursday, 13 January 2011 15:29 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah the latter, mainly (and thanks Phil! Some excellent quotes)

I did mean in the marketing sense rather than anything scientific of course. Not all that long ago bottled water did not exist, and people sniggered at Perrier and Evian drinkers. "why would you pay for water?".

Softdrink companies manufactured a concern. There's some excellent web-movies on this stuff. I'm trying to rememver where I saw them.

Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

FIJI water's a nice example of something supposedly pure and quality actually completely fucking up the community in Fiji where the factory is.

Recycled plastic - there's too much of it - is sent to India for "processing" and most of it ends up being burnt. WHich poisons the commnities where they do the processing. Which means their water gets tainted. Whoops! Better send in some bottled water to help them out!

Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:53 (seven years ago) Permalink

Well I can see people drinking it as a "novelty" back in the day but it's not really that laughable of a product anymore. You can get around 30 bottles for $4 which is about the cost of just buying purified water by the gallon.

frogbs, Thursday, 13 January 2011 20:56 (seven years ago) Permalink

Aha here we go: this is what I saw recently.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/annie-leonard/the-story-of-bottled-wate_b_507942.html

Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 21:01 (seven years ago) Permalink

The question is why are you buying purified water? Do you really need to? And is it, really?

Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 21:02 (seven years ago) Permalink

...you have to buy bottled water because your tap water is full of germs and chemicals. BULLSHIT. It is not, if you live in a westernised city.

People do tend to forget that there are still a lot of places in the world where the water will make you very, very sick. And not over several years, Erin Brockovich-style, but that very same afternoon. No, we have not 100% perfected the total purity of the water supply in America, but there does seem to be a prominent feeling -- just a feeling, is all it is -- that drinking water from the tap is BAD for you. This is not because most municipal water supplies are unsafe to drink. In America, almost no municipal water supplies have been shown to have any ill health effects of any kind over any period of time. (With a few notable exceptions, of course.) A huge amount of time and money and engineering and invention and all-around giving a shit has gone into making sure that you can drink a glass of water right out of your faucet whenever you like, and even if you have taste issues with your local tap water, I don't think enough people stop to consider what a modern miracle it is that we have unlimited access to perfectly safe, clean water.

I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:18 (seven years ago) Permalink

The question is why are you buying purified water? Do you really need to? And is it, really?

Because it tastes much better, and yes I would do a double blind test or whatever

frogbs, Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

Yeah Kenan I'm obviously talking about western cities with clean water supplies. Theyre the ones soda companies are selling this crap to!

Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:27 (seven years ago) Permalink

but there does seem to be a prominent feeling -- just a feeling, is all it is -- that drinking water from the tap is BAD for you.

It is Coca Cola Amatil et al who CREATED this "feeling". Watch that link/video I posted.

Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

Sorry this is my one barrel I push haha. Wrong thread for it really.

Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

oh my god you guys

I Lost A COGHdrop in His Pato (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Bottled water is a load of bullshit. please don't drink/buy it. Thanks from the rest of the world.

assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:31 (seven years ago) Permalink

pretty sure all water is fine unless you drink it out of a muddy hoofprint. Like you guys being all "don't put bad things in your body" on a board that has a 340-post thread on how awesome four loko is, i mean

I Lost A COGHdrop in His Pato (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:32 (seven years ago) Permalink

it's the BOTTLING of the water that is the problem

assorted curses (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:33 (seven years ago) Permalink

Thankyou Shakey, I was begnning to think I was on crazy pills!

Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:38 (seven years ago) Permalink

And if your tap water is hard (which is why Mark G's disprin wont dissolve), or metallic, or a little funny tasting - buy a filter jug!

Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:39 (seven years ago) Permalink

I like hard water, both for drinking from the tap and for showering. Calcium and magnesium are not problems with the water, they're just common minerals. Hell, the water out of Lake Michigan has so much calcium in it, you don't need to drink milk anymore.

I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

And it's delicious, btw.

I am Woolen Man. The scarf and I are one. (kenan), Thursday, 13 January 2011 22:44 (seven years ago) Permalink

I like the chunky style.

nickn, Friday, 14 January 2011 00:22 (seven years ago) Permalink

hard water is the worst for showering, makes crazy hair

ice cr?m, Sunday, 16 January 2011 15:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

so does this show still involve Penn and Teller picking and ripping apart easy targets and spitting out oversimplified opinions? if so, I'll continue to skip and will thank u for the warning

five deadly venoms (San Te), Sunday, 16 January 2011 15:50 (seven years ago) Permalink

I never liked this show for that reason. Any good arguments they make are, like you say, shootin' fish in a barrel stuff - and theres that small percentage of utter libertarian nonsense to boot.

Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Sunday, 16 January 2011 22:28 (seven years ago) Permalink

And a while ago I was dating a guy who, I realised eventually, looks (and has opinions) like Penn Gilette. It was... disconcerting. Like that episode of the IT crowd where Jen is dating the guy who looks like a magician, haha.

Stargazey Pi (Trayce), Sunday, 16 January 2011 22:30 (seven years ago) Permalink

Just got tickets for the Vegas show! :D

domo genesis p-orridge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 16 January 2011 23:23 (seven years ago) Permalink

My seats are ridiculously fucking close

domo genesis p-orridge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 16 January 2011 23:37 (seven years ago) Permalink

Growing up, these guys were some of my heroes. It was awesome to get another Penn & Teller book for Christmas or seeing them on Letterman.

Crazed Mister Handy (kingfish), Monday, 17 January 2011 00:45 (seven years ago) Permalink

I liked in one of their books when they said magic is a terrible way to pick up women. It makes people think you are deceitful and crafty and manipulative, which they said is not attractive to women.

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, 17 January 2011 00:47 (seven years ago) Permalink

It's a good way of making women appear from nowhere though.

Mark G, Monday, 17 January 2011 10:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

being cut in half is probably a turn-off

Jefferson Mansplain (DG), Monday, 17 January 2011 13:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

Whiney will the Vegas show have the ppl from the British TV contest?

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, 17 January 2011 16:43 (seven years ago) Permalink

\o_o/

domo genesis p-orridge (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 17 January 2011 16:52 (seven years ago) Permalink

man i used to love these guys wish i never woulda watched this horrible show.

glenn beck follows penn on twitter (and muse!)

dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:03 (seven years ago) Permalink

muse about what?

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:04 (seven years ago) Permalink

muse the band

dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:05 (seven years ago) Permalink

I feel silly!
But: Stephanie Meyers likes them ---Glenn Beck likes them, are they the #1 band for Mormons?

Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:07 (seven years ago) Permalink

yeah i don't know much about them, other than the songs on rock band and guitar here...are they "political" or some shit? i guess they are the new Rush kinda so maybe they have weirdo libertarian leanings and shit

dj plain ole m@tt (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 January 2011 18:17 (seven years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

An in-law of mine has been tweeting obsessively on facebook about the recycling episode, telling everybody to stop recycling. Could anyone who has seen the episode break this down for me? The only clue I've got from this thread is:

The PETA one is the scariest thing ever. But I think the recycling one failed.
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, May 31, 2005 1:01 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

kkvgz, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 13:03 (six years ago) Permalink

bump

kkvgz, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:52 (six years ago) Permalink

from what i remember someone figured out the pollution/resoureces it takes to drive trucks to places and pick up news papers and then break them down vs just dumping them in a field, and it's supposedly WORSE for the environment to have all these extra trucks and factories running to reuse this stuff

suxv (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 14:57 (six years ago) Permalink

Oh, I'm sure...

Also, for every action there is a reaction.

As in, we get to have our burgers in biodegradeable boxes, only get a shopping plastic bag when we really need it, and so on. So, Newspapers are given out free to train travellers, everyone tales one, only 50% of them are read, and 95% are left on the train to get recycled and reprinted. I vote we sack free papers.

Mark G, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:04 (six years ago) Permalink

xp ok (or not, depending on whether that's true) but recycling is not just about energy saving, it's about not giving over the whole of your countryside to massive stinky unhealthy landfill sites.

and the hint of parp (ledge), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:15 (six years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I was thinking about that. And not stripping the countryside of natural resources in the first place.

kkvgz, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:16 (six years ago) Permalink

stuff like paper might be better made from renewable resources rather than recycled, iirc. like to see the arguments against recycling rarer materials with finite supplies.

a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:28 (six years ago) Permalink

aren't these guys more or less global warming sceptics tho? fucking libertarians

a SB-in' artist that been in the game for a minute (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 15:28 (six years ago) Permalink

Wow - he just posted on it for the third time today.

kkvgz, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 16:03 (six years ago) Permalink

Getting the trash picked up at my curb is more expensive and uses more resources than simply throwing it out the window and letting it pile up in my backyard. Therefore trash pickup is bullshit.

wk, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 17:02 (six years ago) Permalink

That's the level of thought these libertarian asshats seem to operate under. Teller is a great magician though. Shame they had to go down this path.

wk, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 17:04 (six years ago) Permalink

Getting the trash picked up at my curb is more expensive and uses more resources than simply throwing it out the window and letting it pile up in my backyard.

this is only true in the short-term duh

in my world of loose geirs (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 30 March 2011 17:13 (six years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Teller speaks! Wizard-level misdirection!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5x14AwElOk

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, 14 July 2011 06:52 (six years ago) Permalink

This is still his best piece. Too bad there's not a clean version up without people talking on top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un1pNtmYguA

lizard tails, a self-regenerating food source for survival (wk), Thursday, 14 July 2011 07:12 (six years ago) Permalink

I remember a "travels around the world" TV series they did, which was excellent and one I'd buy if it were available..

Teller did a bit of a video diary on it.

Mark G, Thursday, 14 July 2011 09:35 (six years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

I'm finally watching this show, it's pretty great. The show about going green was so awesome. Some of them present really interesting points of view that I hadn't thought of, and never really see when these topics come up. They must get a lot of shit from leftists. Also, <3 the blonde with the perfect huge tits

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:30 (five years ago) Permalink

definitely some interesting POVs on this show, but I certainly wouldn't take anything away from it, it's about the least objective thing on TV right now

That's a pretty funky dance, Garfield. Show me how you do it. (frogbs), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:34 (five years ago) Permalink

Nothing's objective on TV.

The organic one was awesome too

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 30 April 2012 21:40 (five years ago) Permalink

one year passes...

seeing doc directed by Teller, Tim's Vermeer, tonight. It's on the Oscar shortlist of 15.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 December 2013 21:23 (four years ago) Permalink

I like crawetur

Brian Eno's Mother (Latham Green), Thursday, 12 December 2013 21:45 (four years ago) Permalink

There was good Vanity Fair article about that Vermeer story and the accompanying documentary recently.

The Glam Of That All The Way From Memphis Man! (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 13 December 2013 04:21 (four years ago) Permalink

yall know this show sites fake corporate research real news sources wont touch right

lag∞n, Friday, 13 December 2013 04:23 (four years ago) Permalink

aka liberty

lag∞n, Friday, 13 December 2013 04:24 (four years ago) Permalink

eh their smugness would be more tolerable if i knew they were using reliable data instead of sourcing it from whatever shady corporate funded fake laboratories

― ice cr?m, Friday, 7 January 2011 14:06 (2 years ago) Permalink

They're talking about a different thing, a documentary about Vermeer.

bamcquern, Friday, 13 December 2013 05:12 (four years ago) Permalink

Verneer of respectability

Mark G, Friday, 13 December 2013 10:24 (four years ago) Permalink

I think I got through about 3 seasons, possibly more, a couple of years ago before I gave up on it.
At that point i just found the inherent political slant too grating. Seemed they only wanted to be cynical in one direction.

Not sure how many series there are and that was around 2009 or 10 that i was watching it. Had to download it from Demonoid or something.

Stevolende, Friday, 13 December 2013 10:55 (four years ago) Permalink

man I forgot how much I hated this show

frogbs, Friday, 13 December 2013 13:47 (four years ago) Permalink

They're talking about a different thing, a documentary about Vermeer.

wow i couldnt tell that by all the posts talking abt the documentary abt vermeer *j/o motion*

lag∞n, Friday, 13 December 2013 15:26 (four years ago) Permalink

i read the vanity fair piece it does sound cool tho but the more important point is bullshit is bullshit these guys are disgusting

lag∞n, Friday, 13 December 2013 15:27 (four years ago) Permalink

yes but tell me amore about the blonde with the huge perfect tits?

ian, Friday, 13 December 2013 18:12 (four years ago) Permalink

So, they are touring the UK next year

Mark G, Friday, 13 December 2013 18:15 (four years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

If it worked for him, ok, that's fine. Some people need a drastic change from old habits. Not anything I'd recommend for others. Especially anyone who isn't worth at least a few million dollars and can afford whatever medical assistance they need if things go south.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 15 August 2016 04:55 (one year ago) Permalink

he had some awful illness a couple years ago, was painfully thin after.

I guess there's a whole bunch of things he can't eat anymore.

Mark G, Monday, 15 August 2016 08:04 (one year ago) Permalink

that's contrary to everything he's publicly said over and over, which is that he lost weight deliberately for health reasons

Shakey δσς (sic), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 01:11 (one year ago) Permalink

with all that fiber and hot pepper his shits must just be phenomenal

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 01:25 (one year ago) Permalink

I don't see anything wrong with his diet? It doesn't seem as unpleasant as most vegans I know with the fake meats and stuff.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 02:49 (one year ago) Permalink

The blueberry cayenne thing, I'm going to try.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 02:51 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah that piqued my curiosity tbh

bagging area (map), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 02:55 (one year ago) Permalink

diet sounds pretty healthful to me too, any vegetarians around to weigh in on this? like he says, seems like he eats a lot, it's just mostly fruits and veggies. isn't that what we're all supposed to be doing?

it's sort of a layered stunt (sheesh), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 04:55 (one year ago) Permalink

He starves himself and then he overeats. He also has periods of not eating nutritiously, which is disguised by all the veggies and fruit he eats, but most of us are guilty of that.

bamcquern, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 05:15 (one year ago) Permalink

Intermittent fasting isn't starving yourself.

Only thing that sticks out to me is that it's very light on protein but Furman is largely anti-protein IIRC.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 16:49 (one year ago) Permalink

He describes eating several pounds of food, really prodigious quantities, and he'll follow that up with huge snacks four hours later. And periodically going 36 hours without food sounds more like deprivation than fasting.

bamcquern, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 17:04 (one year ago) Permalink

No, that's a pretty standard fasting style - eat dinner, skip a day, eat breakfast.

His 'pounds of food' is watermelon, which has a crazy high water content even for fruit. It's not like eating four pounds of beef or French fries.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 17:31 (one year ago) Permalink

but I don't see any particular health benefit in eating tons of watermelon?

ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 17:40 (one year ago) Permalink

like it's a nutritious and hydrating fruit to consume but id imagine the absorption of the vitamins in it isn't infinite, and like there's only so much fiber and fruit sugar you really need in a day?

ælərdaɪs (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 17:41 (one year ago) Permalink

Watermelon has low calorie density (filling but not terribly calorific) and the red pigment is lycopene, the same skin protecting carotenoid that colors tomatoes.

Penn's diet follows Dr. Fuhrman's guidelines, basically caloric restriction with optimal nutrition style, but achieved via ranking foods into seek/reduce/avoid categories rather than the spreadsheets etc. used in CRON, and there are few healthier. Some of Fuhrman's rhetoric about "toxic hunger" is unfounded, and I didn't care for the recipes. Most data sees diminishing returns on fruit and vegetable intake after 8 or so servings a day, and I'm increasingly convinced the health benefit of whole plant based diets owes more to what they don't include (fats and excess protein), so I've opted for a more comfort food diet (ie, more potatoes, beans, & corn tortillas), but I'll sometimes have a Fuhrman-style dinner salad with over a pound of greens, veggies, 'shrooms etc.

no ends, only meanness (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 16 August 2016 18:13 (one year ago) Permalink

It's not just pounds of watermelon. He eats two entrees and rice at the Indian place, and then at the airport he eats two containers of pineapple. He eats four big containers of blueberries, and the "big" containers I get in the stores around here are all 32 ounces. Maybe he means a smaller container, but he says "big." He eats an "insane" amount of watermelon, a "whole" container of cherry tomatoes, a "big, big" bowl of soup, and "a lot" of blueberries; that's just one evening meal. On the 8th, he seems to eat a reasonable amount of food, albeit three meals' worth in the evening, but he appends that entry with "I eat a lot of food," which makes me wonder how large the portions are. For one meal, the base is three pounds of spinach (is one container even a pound?) to which he adds brown rice and four vegetables, including four ears of corn. This is the evening after he eats a store bought wrap, so much peanut butter "it would make you sick," a whole watermelon, and the blueberries snack in the afternoon. At midnight he eats three melons, popcorn, and more peanut butter.

And whose fasting style is this? For what purpose? It sounds like a gimmick diet fast to me.

bamcquern, Tuesday, 16 August 2016 18:30 (one year ago) Permalink


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