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Anyone play besides Ken and I? We should get an online game going.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago) link

yeahhh!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i've had a regular home game going for about five or six years. we play every sunday. and in the past year i've started playing in a monthly tourney here in nyc -- $50 buy-in, with an average of 50 players per tourney. last week i finished fourth, my best so far. before that: sixth and tenth.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

i played in a tourney two weeks ago $60 buy in. 40 guys. I came in 15th, got my AK busted with jacks. Played a small game last saturday and won $200 from my friends. I play a lot online...pokerroom.com username letdown08 if your ever looking to play a game.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a weekly card game that meets regularly for six months, falls apart for six months, gets back together for six months, etc.

I'm in an off-period right now, and I kinda miss it.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 17:31 (nineteen years ago) link

while i was out of work for last month i played so much online i thought i was going to have to call gamblers anon. luckily pokerroom.com has a nice feature that you can set your monthly, weekly or daily deposit limits. which i use.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

i've had a really good winning streak last month and so i haven't had to make any deposits for a while.. although i've only played pussy $5 games with amateurs (as opposed to amateurist).

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago) link

unfortunately (or fortunately) my bank doesn't let me make deposits into pokerroom, so i'm strictly a play money player.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

i got my clock cleaned last month on pokerroom. i had a few good streaks going for a few days and then all of the sudden i get stuck against fools who have no idea how to play and take me out with middle pairs. never fails.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

i yahoo poker sometimes. used to play with friends for small time bucks. sort of looking to start up again

― come on sock it to me, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link

so if we do play are we going to settle on pokerroom then?

this would leave jams murphy out though unless we go for just play money games.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

has anyone ever played captaincooks.com? there is no way around the pokerroom bank thing eh?

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

POKER!!!!!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been back on the poker wagon during the last few months. We play cheap $5 games, which is great for me since I can't afford higher stakes poker right now (er, did I say "afford", of course that's not what I meant because I WIN WIN WIN, I don't have to "afford" anything ... um, yeah).

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd be up for joining in $5 games, if it gets sorted.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, once details are all figured out, I will TOTALLY suck you guys out. I'll be the noob, everyone else can be Phil Helmuth (sic).

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

I will so do this. I've been missing my biweekly game ev' since I moved to New York (altho these $50 tourneys sound worth checking out, if they're ever on a day I'm not working and can convince my wife she should babysit so I can go gamble).

I'm curious, what does everybody play? It seems like Texas hold'em is everyone's default (maybe partly because that's what they play on TV), but I like 5- and 7-stud too.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link

99.9% Hold'em, though I'm fine w/ 5 & 7-card. A few times, someone at my real-life irregularly-schedule poker hoe-downs would try to start up w/ Omaha - after 10 minutes of that, everyone went home.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link

im dl captaincooks now to check it out. pokerroom lets you do private tables.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

far too slow. im sticking with pokerroom.com if anyone else is interested.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:47 (nineteen years ago) link

i play holdem and omaha

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm scared to gameble online. Is it safe?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link

sure.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago) link

gypsy if you wanna play an in-person game, you are officially invited to join mine. we have about six players, with a buy-in typically of $15 or $20. we play a mix of hold 'em, omaha 8, seven-card stud, a few wild card games and anaconda. mucho fun. email me if you're interested.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I play in two semiregular games, and have been playing cards my whole life. I don't believe in gambling, but I make an exception for low stakes poker.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

(same goes for anyone else in nyc, btw)

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm normally too paranoid to play online (do poker sites have randomizers in place to keep friends/stooges from being at the same public table and helping each other?), but I'd be up for an ILX game for any reasonable amount.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:07 (nineteen years ago) link

hey bingo so do you want to refer me to pokerrooms? so you can get the $50 if and when i play enough??

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

my email pykachu at gee mail.com

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm always down for a gamble. Count me in for any Fancy A Pokers.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

yay dom! ilWWEors represent!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm up for this after I get past work deadlines in a couple of weeks. My parents used to let me sit in with their games when I was a kid, mostly 5- and 7-card stud, but every now and then they'd play something called Between the Sheets (aka Mexican Sweat) for variety. That could get really hairy really quick, and once I won a $60 pot and was told to go watch tv.

― Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG KEN C REMEMBER WHEN WILLIAM HILL WAS OFFERING ODDS ON WHO'D WIN THE ROYAL RUMBLE AND EVERYONE BET ON TRIPLE H AND WILLIAM HILL LOST A SHITLOAD OF MONEY?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

i'd be on for this. JimSlim77 at pokeroom.com

― Michael B, Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i am flembach in pokerroom

― S!monB!rch (Carey), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG HAHAHAH WILLIAM HILL GOT PWN3D!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link

aw velveteen not here.. anyone want to refer me for that $50??

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago) link

all set ken.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

aha great!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link

flembach is logged in! what table?

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

i just started a private table. letdowns08...in the private tables section if anyone wants a game?

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

What the hell are you people doing, playing during the workday? So wrong!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

im home already!

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

i just saw flembach get taken for some $$

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

If anyone wants referral money for me the wooderson at gmail address is best.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

still waiting for my referral to arrive gmail

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

done

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

the referral is a bit longwinded, i would need to accumulate 150 player points to get it...so don't worry.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't mean to be dealt a hand!

― S!monB!rch (Carey), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

and i won 75 cents! hehehehhahaha...im awesome.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Ken, check your spam folder.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

still nuffink :\ ok i'm giving up i'm just gonna sign up!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

the poker itch has overcome me!!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah fuck, because I've got an Italian passport but live in the UK, I can't register. Racists.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone here named mossem?

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:06 (nineteen years ago) link

do you have a drivers license?

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

damn this installation's slow

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I am in Bon Churi right now if you want to play until more people join.

― S!monB!rch (Carey), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

kens in!

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry, i'll be there in a sec, it won't let me sit down with the amount of money I have since I left the table before.

― S!monB!rch (Carey), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:32 (nineteen years ago) link

is silverfox an ilxor?

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:35 (nineteen years ago) link

you need to be under $25 to sit in. i have no idea if he/she was, but you cleaned them out.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

we should try and organise a tournament game one day

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link

oh no where are you bingo!??

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link

lincoln table.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:45 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry haha i joined boise without reading

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:46 (nineteen years ago) link

thats ok.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

it sucks that you can't leave once the game starts.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

if you wanna play an in-person game, you are officially invited to join mine.

Thx! I sent you an email. Might or might be able to make it depending on my work, but I'd love to. I tell you, tho, anaconda screws me every time -- that's one of those games you need a flush or full house just to stay in.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

(might or might not, that is)

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 20:59 (nineteen years ago) link

i've just lost haha

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

bingo you still on?

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, i want to play in a tourney.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago) link

akron?

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

ok!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 21:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I am at a standstill in my winnings. I can't get anywhere.

― S!monB!rch (Carey), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

some guy just chatted me up because i liked his cartoon character's boobs

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link

haha he paid the price - velvet just took all his money

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 21:07 (nineteen years ago) link

i had a nice straight there and one away from a royal flush

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link

i only place face cards and high pairs in these tourneys.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 21:19 (nineteen years ago) link

wow ken with the huge full boat.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i just said "pwn3d" in an online poker chat window

this is a proud moment of my life

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago) link

haha.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

what positions win money on this bitch?

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

haha one for the ilx out of context thread that!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to play poker with friends, very badly. I wouldn't mind getting into it again, but i'm another person who's a bit nervous about playing for money online.

― caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 21:56 (nineteen years ago) link

top 3 get paid.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i came 2nd!!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

$15 woot!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Another one for the out of context thread... (xpost)

― Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:12 (nineteen years ago) link

haha

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, at least you came.

― Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

i wasn't unhappy about it!!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

roffles

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

it was pretty dramatic stuff - twice i was going all in, and almost crashed out - another time i almost caught a flush but the river was no help. but in the end i came trumpantly 2nd!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:22 (nineteen years ago) link

ok that one was deliberately out of context

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

i played another tourny and was 3rd! awesome. we need to organise another game soon.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 10 February 2005 08:12 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm really glad i put the responsible gaming limits on.. i can feel myself getting addicted to this now that i know other ilxors are playing

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 10 February 2005 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

FANCY A GAME TONIGHT GUYS?!?!?!?!?!?

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I would! It'd need to be like 11pm or so, I think, and I'm a beginner so you could all fleece me.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 13:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm feeling very tempted to try online poker myself. I am also rubbish, though. You *do* play for small stakes, right?

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link

well we can either play $.25/$.5 blinds tables

or we can all join a tournament table ($5.50 buy in, 10 people table, top 3 share the money $25/$15/$10 i think??) which is very cheap cos a game can last half an hour, plus the bonus of possible lynching of non-ilxor money.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 13:38 (nineteen years ago) link

11pm sounds good mark.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

this is tempting, though I know I'll get addicted. Hmm, might check in later to see what the bobby is.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 13:40 (nineteen years ago) link

you can set a responisble gaming limit to stop yourself being addicted!! (like setting an arbitary deposit limit per month/week so that you can't blow out all your money - of course it won't stop you being GOOD and addicted and so keep playing without having to deposit money, but then that'd be alright i suppose!)

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 13:42 (nineteen years ago) link

that sounds sensible enough, do I have to wear a tie?

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link

you can choose to be the cartoon character with a tie - i prefer to be the old lady with a square hat though.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 14:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Holy fucking shit I'm appalling at this. I just tried playing pretend poker (at least I hope it was) for half an hour - lost every hand, including one where I folded on a hand that would have totally won, and realised I don't understand the betting. If anyone wants to explain what call, check, bet and raise mean, simply and accurately, I'd be totally, pathetically grateful.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.pokersiteonline.com/Links/Glossary.html

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 14:30 (nineteen years ago) link

i will play later this afternoon around noon. 11pm in london is 5 in the us? i can play then.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 14:31 (nineteen years ago) link

This might be wrong. If it is, please tell me, because I'd appreciate knowing (I said, I'm not very good)

Bet: what each person has staked so far
Call: bet as much as you need to to stay in the hand, which is the amount that the players on your right have bet.
Check: don't bet anything at all, but don't fold (which you can do if you are the first player in the betting round to bet, or if all the players to your right have also checked)
Raise: bet *more* than you'd have to to call (meaning that players who have already bet will have to call again to meet your bet)

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks Chris and Caitlin - I'm getting an idea now.

Chris, 11pm is 6pm on the Eastern seaboard.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

im an idiot. someone post here what time and what room when they are on and i will play.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

okay.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone up for a game

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd love to but officially I'm still working (for the next 20 minutes, anyway). Hope to see you at 2300 GMT.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 17:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Bump! Anyone else up for this? pokerroom.com

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe, later tonight - I'll have a look at the site, see if I can register (do they take debit cards?) and see how sleepy I am.

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

they take debit cards. and i am definately up for a game. it might be hard to get everyone in one room for a tourney. but we could set up a private table for just a cash game?

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago) link

That sounds good, assuming the stakes are still pretty low (I don't want you to clean me out *completely*). 2300GMT is good for me too, because I'll be able to get on the other computer (the Windows one) by then.

Um, will it work over a dialup connection?

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I've registered ok (my nick is 'gneiss') but the Java version doesn't work very well on my rather old Linux computer - it starts up OK, but if I try to join a table it just seems to freeze up. I'll try switching over to the newer Windows computer and putting a deposit in my account later on.

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, I've signed up too. "FuzzySte" is my nickname.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Grrr, I can't find my driving license for the sign-up form. Does anyone fancy just a play-money game so I can see if I can get the thing working at all?

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link

so are we okay with dial up connections, I'm feared my 1k per second rate is going to piss people off!

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:38 (nineteen years ago) link

i've created a private table. letdown08's nl in the private table area.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:45 (nineteen years ago) link

ok! i'm logging in

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

ALL OTHER ILXORS WHO WANT TO PLAY - THE ACTION'S ABOUT TO START!

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Ste, come back! I didn't mean for you to go!

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:23 (nineteen years ago) link

ok started to understand it now, but probly need a few more games with play money before i start to lose all i own

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Why can i not find your table on the private tables list?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

it's deffo there.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"letdown08's"

― Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Dom, make sure your format (at the top) is ring games and then click the private tables tab. Ste, come back - we've stopped playing for now as we need a few more dudes! Caitlin, where are you?

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 15 February 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Cheers for that chaps! Shall we do another one soon? This time with more than three people (and Ste, briefly!).

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry for being a no-show last night - I was falling asleep at my desk by 10.45, and thought that poker probably wouldn't be a good idea at that point.

― caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 09:41 (nineteen years ago) link

haha yes sorry for choking last night. i got a bit confused with what was going on on my screen and it was all going too fast. I wasn't expecting the high bids either. i think i lost $3.50 in less than 30 seconds.

I shall spend a bit of time in the 'pretend' money games area before the next session.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 10:21 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, I'm in for round two whenever it occurs. Does one of the ILE Poker elders wish to set a date?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 10:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Ste, the bidding got scarier once Chris and Ken got into their stride - I think the biggest winning pots were $27 and $29 (the last one me thwacking Ken with an aces high straight, hehe). But by and large, the average (played) hand went for $4-6, which isn't a lot of $$$ when divided by 3 players.

I can do tonight?

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 10:41 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah i'll totally play - haha last night I kept not paying attention and got timed out twice when i had the top hand! pants!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 10:43 (nineteen years ago) link

i shall be up for possibly another round this evening. mark, think your ready for a tourney? I think so....hustler.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 10:45 (nineteen years ago) link

if you guys get a chance look at the private tables in the $100-$200nl rooms and look at the money these people have. I saw one person with approx $136000.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 10:46 (nineteen years ago) link

also, mark called my stone cold bluff of $12 and took me down.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 10:47 (nineteen years ago) link

if you guys get a chance look at the private tables in the $100-$200nl rooms and look at the money these people have. I saw one person with approx $136000.

it could all be yours in about 10 hands!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 10:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha Chris! I definitely learnt from both you and Ken and I'm beginning to get a handle on how to play the game properly, but you can hardly call me a hustler as you turned your $10 into $40 or so, whil I lost 5 bucks.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Chris, I wonder if I need more practice before doing a tournament. When I pretend play in rooms of 10 people, I just lose it completely :(

(who else is up for playing tonight??)

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Typically in 10 player games you need to play really tight. my strategy is to not play anything but face cards(suited or unsuited) or decent pairs ...9's and up until it widdles down to less people. also the play is much different in the real money tournaments rather than the play games. people tend to shy off big bets unless they are holding something in the tourneys where as the play money games people bet with anything and everything and usually take you down.

but as i've mentioned before playing tight in the tourneys can get frustrating when you get beat by small pairs or some one takes you out playing a 7-4.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, the play games aren't a realistic edumacation as far as I can tell as you know that at any one time there are 2 or 3 players just going "wheeeee!" and betting on everything. Last night was much more interesting - looking forward to doing it again. 5 or 6 players would be ace (Dom, Ste, Caitlin, I'm looking at you).

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

CHICAGO NICK, YOU SEEM THE IDEAL POKER PLAYER - WHY DON'T YOU JOIN US?

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm much better at the tournament games than real money

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll stick to the private ilx tables for now.

I can't do tonight though, tomorrow or the weekend would be ideal if anyone is around at the same time as last night?

― Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Ste, I may well be - I can see myself getting into this!

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Just so y'all know - I am TOTALLY ON BOARD w/ taking your money (or giving my money away), but a) I can't really do it during the week (w/out shunting some other responsibilities), and b) I'm on a wireless network that's just a bit unreliable, and I phear what will happen if I'm in the middle of a hand and get punted.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

oh god i had that so many times :(

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

i much prefer real life poker too, you know, booze, low lights, ciggies (i'd hold one and pretend). i have the set at home with decent chips (they make a solid thump noise when you throw them on the felt playing service) and all.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Really! What happens when you get kicked out? (Of a virtual game, that is - I know what happens in the real world, after watching movies & junk.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

If you time out on pokerroom.com it makes you check or fold, I think.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Ahh. That wouldn't be so bad unless you're bluffing.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:50 (nineteen years ago) link

..which is what I just clicked anyway in shear panic when the timer went red and started shouting at me

xpost

― Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

for money per hand games i get the impression that you can set it to go "all-in" when you get disconnected too! (i've never explored this option)

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 16:58 (nineteen years ago) link

oh yes i was meaning to ask, what's the 'rake' ?

― Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago) link

a rake is the amount the "casino" takes from the players.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link

basically its how the site makes money.

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:14 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, how often do they 'rake' you?
(soz, I could go to the site and find out but ilxor's are so much more friendlier to ask info for)

― Ste (Fuzzy), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:16 (nineteen years ago) link

i think it's about 5% of the pot

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.pokerroom.com/main/page/games/poker4Rules#rake

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Dudes, as it ain't happening tonight, how about we make a date to meet at the Poker Room website tomorrow at 11pm GMT (6pm Eastern etc.)? Try and get half a dozen people in a private ILX room?

If you haven't yet registered, or fancy a bit of pretend-money practice, it'd be worth showing up early and using one of the play rooms, get the feel of the site. We can liaise, as before, though this thread in real time.

If tomorrow isn't good for y'all, I guess we can try and arrange a better time?

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

i've just played for about 2 hours!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link

p.s. are you guys all on AIM? it may be easier to arrange things that way!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 23:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I played one day for 12 hours with them same $15.

― S!monB!rch (Carey), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 23:24 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, i have aim

chrisv1918

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Ken, I notice you haven't said how much you won/lost tonight.

Carey, you up for it tomorrow?

I'm on aim as Markelby.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 17 February 2005 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

i haven't made much win/loss as yet! been playing for petty cash! i've been hovering around $40-50

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 17 February 2005 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I will be playing more next week. This week I am abstaining from poker.

― S!monB!rch (Carey), Thursday, 17 February 2005 00:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Boo. Any more Britishers up for this? 11pm is a suitable late, sexy time for poker-playin'.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 17 February 2005 10:36 (nineteen years ago) link

i often play whilst wearing no clothes.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 17 February 2005 10:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Is this the most cliquey thread ever?

Is there a mod reading this who can add TONIGHT 2300 GMT AT POKERROOM.COM!!! to the thread title or something?

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 17 February 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

BUMP!

Come on, guys, do I have to start begging now?

Caitlin, any luck registering? Do you not have a passport?

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 17 February 2005 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link

mark's desperate! i'm in obv.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 17 February 2005 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Tonight? Yeah, go on then. What are we playing, tournament or ring?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 17 February 2005 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyway, if we're gonna be playing poker regularly, shouldn't we all have Late Night Poker-esque nicknames? Like Dom "The Puffer Fish" Passantino or something?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 17 February 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago) link

im in aim me. chrisv1918 for a reminder

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Thursday, 17 February 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

i actually think that the play tournaments are good practice for playing in-the-flesh poker. you learn how to deal with over-aggressive players, you better learn traps, etc. i've only played for money on poker room a few times (on a friend's account) and generally found it dull; people play too tight. last week i won seven straight play-money tourneys! i'm play-rich!

by the way i love playing online players in person. always easy to spot, and very easy to take down. they freeze when there's an actual person staring them down, and they too often call big bets when they are in on draws. sometimes they hit, but most of the time they don't.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 17 February 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Just a spectacular night last night with my poker group. (Texas Hold-Em play)

Game 1: I went all in on the first hand and was called. I won, and went on to knock out everybody else at the table except for one en route to winning.

Game 2: When it got down to head-to-head play, one guy was outchipped 9-to-1. He came back and won.

Game 3: Me and another guy were both all-in and had a million outs, but we lost to a pair of pocket eights. The guy who knocked us us ended up winning. Things were about even in head to head play, but then he got trapped by pocket aces and made the all-in call with a J-Q. He hit a straight on the river and won.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 17 February 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

we totally need play by play commentary on this thread

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 17 February 2005 20:13 (nineteen years ago) link

My driving licence should in theory be a lot easier to find than my passport - in that I know where my driving licence is supposed to be, and I know I used it a few months ago. I have no idea where my passport is.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 17 February 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Caitlin, do you have both the bits of your licence? Do you keep them together?

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 17 February 2005 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Both bits? It's only got one. I don't have one of these posh modern photo ones.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 17 February 2005 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh I see.

So we currently have Dom, me, Ken and Chris. Ste? Julia? Caitlin? Jams? David? 9 would be rad!

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 17 February 2005 20:49 (nineteen years ago) link

WHERE ARE YOUR LATE NIGHT POKER STYLE NICKNAMES????

Ken "The Padre" Chu

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 17 February 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

Next game I will be there. Unless you are playing play money tonight. I think I won $5000 in 2 hours one night. Too bad it was play money.

― S!monB!rch (Carey), Thursday, 17 February 2005 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

chris "the nuts" v

― Big Baby Bingo (Chris V), Thursday, 17 February 2005 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

i seem to have a constant crap connection (over 15 secs) so I'm going to sit it out tonight. plus ive only just got off a 4 hour train ride and im knackered and going to bed.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 17 February 2005 22:55 (nineteen years ago) link

letdown08's private table ready for play.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 17 February 2005 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Aw Ste! :( You can just watch if you like, watch and chat?

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 17 February 2005 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Come on children, there's eight seats empty here. The Texan and the leisure suited guy are alerady taken, though.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 17 February 2005 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 17 February 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm signing up right now! Look out for POPSHIZZ!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 February 2005 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

dave you need to be in for "real money" in order to sit in.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 17 February 2005 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm trying! Stupid credit cards are getting DONGED, tho. I will have to try this again @ a later date.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 February 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I just got owned.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 17 February 2005 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link

turned my $10 into $50

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 17 February 2005 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

well fuck, everytime i had a hand someone else gets the only possible higher one. should pay more attention

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 17 February 2005 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link

raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar. the nuts.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 17 February 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Turned $29 into $49. That'll do me.

(Chris, you totally pwn when you're focused on pwning)

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 17 February 2005 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Here's my new name.

― Mark "The Shark" LB (Mark C), Thursday, 17 February 2005 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link

its tough to concentrate when your drunk and its dinner time. mark, maybe when your in massachusetts in may we can get you to visit me and organize a game?

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Friday, 18 February 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe Chris - if Sarah's up for it, I'm up for it (as long as it's small stakes as I'm prety sure you would REALLY pwn me in real life).

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 18 February 2005 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link

trying doing it whilst on the phone!

xpost

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 18 February 2005 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

haha. $20 will get you $100 in chips. so basically to win money you would need to get $200 in chips to make $40.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Friday, 18 February 2005 00:06 (nineteen years ago) link

or we could make it UK rules.....whatever the hell those are. Seriously...if we don't have a markelby and sgs fap i will be pissed!

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Friday, 18 February 2005 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

and you'd have a place to stay if need be. the bingo house has a guest room.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Friday, 18 February 2005 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

That's kind of you! Do you have cats, Chris (we're both allergic)?

Sarah probably wouldn't play poker, though - she's fiscally cautious :)

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 18 February 2005 00:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Where are you guys playin'? I might want to get in on this. I love me some poker.

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 18 February 2005 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link

i have two cats and a dog unfortunately....bah!

pokerroom.com donut beeotch.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Friday, 18 February 2005 02:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm playing w/ fake money right now.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 February 2005 02:10 (nineteen years ago) link

me too. im up to $3500 somehow

― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 18 February 2005 02:14 (nineteen years ago) link

are you guys playing against each other, or just against anybody?

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 18 February 2005 02:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Same time tomorrow then.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 18 February 2005 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

we should totally get a group for playing with fake money. also, for those who suck. because i have no fucking idea what i'm doing.

― JuliaA (j_bdules), Friday, 18 February 2005 02:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't wait until I finish the current work project. Ah'mo play me some cards.

― Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Friday, 18 February 2005 02:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Yay! Enthusiasm!

A fake money game could be quite fun, though I bet we wouldn't see The Nuts there :)

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 18 February 2005 10:56 (nineteen years ago) link

is it possible to move forward future games by half an hour?

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 18 February 2005 11:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Why not start the game at 10pm instead, giving me a perfect excuse not to sit through Nathan Barley?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 18 February 2005 11:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Moving games forward would make me significantly more likely to appear on weeknights - often I'm still active at 10 but half-asleep by 11.

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 18 February 2005 11:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd be cool with that (except on Wednesdays - America's Next Top Model, people).

Dom, did you leave in a huff last night? Caitlin, did you find yr licence?

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 18 February 2005 11:22 (nineteen years ago) link

10pm sounds all the better.

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 18 February 2005 11:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Nah, I just cut my losses without saying goodbye. Made it back on another table though...

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 18 February 2005 11:41 (nineteen years ago) link

of course i'd play in the fake money games as well. although you would all be jealous of my enormous stack i've built up over the years of playing online.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Friday, 18 February 2005 12:19 (nineteen years ago) link

My mother: "oh, yes, I filed your driving licence away with your payslips so it would be easier to find." So at least I've got a lead on where it *should* be now.

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 18 February 2005 12:24 (nineteen years ago) link

do you know where your payslips are?

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 18 February 2005 12:27 (nineteen years ago) link

They're *supposedly* in a big red filing box on a shelf in the dining room. Apart from the ones that are still in the posession of the Student Loans Company, of course.

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 18 February 2005 12:28 (nineteen years ago) link

You do not have the key for this filing box
what now?
>_

― Ste (Fuzzy), Friday, 18 February 2005 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

xyzzy

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 18 February 2005 12:32 (nineteen years ago) link

i wat to play

― phil-two (phil-two), Friday, 18 February 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

OK then, is it on for 10:00 GMT tonight then? I was playing tournament earlier on and came 24th out of 210, so I'm on a roll. Not a money winning roll, but a roll nonetheless.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 18 February 2005 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link

who took the bump from the bumpalompalomp?

i can play at 10 tonight if people wanna.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 21 February 2005 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe, see how I feel at 10. Hint - if 4 or 5 others are keen I'll probably be up for it, especially if Chris "The Washing Machine" V3nuti (he takes all other players to the cleaners) is unaccountably absent ;)

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 21 February 2005 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

ha.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been playing a lot of tournament poker recently. I came 17th out of 291 the other day. So... yeah, if there's a number of us, count me in.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

So, yeah, is this happening? Because I've just been smacking fools around on LadbrookesPoker.com

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link

wow what's your username on ladbrokes dom?

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

i'll play at 10 if anyone else fancies

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

p.s. it's a shame we can't set up a tournament private table.. it's much cheaper to play that way

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Juror8, still. The players are a lot less skilled on there. Which is weird, as its the webpage Dave "Devilfish" Ulliot apparently frequents.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link

i noticed that too ... it's weird cos it's the one that doesn't have all the cartoon characters

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

hey! anyone up for a play money game at 11 GMT/ 5 CST tonight?

― JuliaA (j_bdules), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 15:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I would be fo sho - it'd be fun doing it for pretend cash for a change (and Ken wouldn't have to worry about me MEGA-PWNING HIM again).

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

possibly, i may be too deeply involved in my baseball game though. but im down for some play money every once in a while.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

I am good for REAL MOOLAH POKERNATION! Ph34r my big stack!

Unfortunately, I dunno if I'll be around for Fake Moolah Pokeration this evening. If I am, though, I'll be there.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

possibly for a few hands.. i'll need to sleep not long after 11 tho. also i feel i should really save the ultimate revenge pwnage of mark for a real money game

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I will *try* to get on for a play money game at 11 GMT - watch this space.

― caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

When I was goofing w/ play money, I was dealt crap almost every hand, and when I had face cards, they were abetted by a crap kicker, and when I actually had a decent hand, I was always one-upped. Bastardos. Of course, the WORST thing was it was a limit game (not pot-limit - bet-limit?), so you couldn't flex any muscle by going all in, which stink stank stunk.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

bet limit games are lame

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

(having found that our house's Windows computer does not apparently have Java installed, am desperately trying to download and install the native Windows pokerroom.com client before 11pm)

― caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

i started a private table for anyone who wants to join, i'm julesb74...
(play money)

hope you can get it installed, caitlin!

― JuliaA (j_bdules), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Caitlin, you can join at any time. Registering doesn't take more than a couple of minutes. Post again if you can't find us.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link

It's trundling along - damn my slow internet connection

(my nickname on there is 'gneiss')

― caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 23:01 (nineteen years ago) link

(I registered for play money last week, btu still haven't managed to deposit any actual cash)

― caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 23:03 (nineteen years ago) link

mine isn't letting me run the java app, grrr!

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 23:11 (nineteen years ago) link

It looks like it's working - but i can't find you! help!

― caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 23:17 (nineteen years ago) link

No, I can't find Julia either. Hang on, we're sorting it out.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

it didn't seem to sort out, but we should totally play another time when things aren't acting wonky!

― JuliaA (j_bdules), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Well. That didn't work. Chris, Ken, maybe you can explain this - Julia and I were both setting up tables, but we couldn't see each others anywhere. We then decided to find a small table in the existing play area, but the names of the tables she could see were different from the ones I could see! So we couldn't find anywhere to play at all. Wtf?

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Shall we try again another night?

― caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, let's. I ended up having a few hands of play Blackjack instead. I like Blackjack.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 24 February 2005 00:04 (nineteen years ago) link

the reason for that is because if you are only registered for play money your on a different server than real money.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 24 February 2005 00:26 (nineteen years ago) link

But ... there were three of us, and none of us could see each other.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 24 February 2005 08:35 (nineteen years ago) link

if some one has registered for only play money and the others are registered for real/play money essentially you are all on different servers. if everyone is registered for real money then you will all be on the same server.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 24 February 2005 11:03 (nineteen years ago) link

Bah. Time to hunt for the driving licence again

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 24 February 2005 12:10 (nineteen years ago) link

But I've played with Julia before, Chris. It's a bugger though.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link

To be honest, I think *everyone* on pokerroom.com was having trouble last night - watching the lobby chat window, lots and *lots* of people were complaning that the Holdem tables were almost all down.

― caitlin (caitlin), Thursday, 24 February 2005 20:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Bump - when's our next for-money game going to be?

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 27 February 2005 14:55 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm going to be playing tournament poker on LadbrokesPoker.com this afternoon, if anyone's to be around. But I'd be up to take your cash this evening as well.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 27 February 2005 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

when you playing dom? i might join you in a tournament

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 27 February 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I tend to play two table NL Holdem, I've not finished out of the money in six goes so far (I've not finished in the top of any of them, but still). I'm in the $3 NL mass tourney at the moment though, just to see what the major tournaments play like.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 27 February 2005 17:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Vital question - in online poker (specifically pokeroom.com), how many virtual decks are used in each game?

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 27 February 2005 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 27 February 2005 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

otherwise you can get 5 of a kind?

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 27 February 2005 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Makes sense. I'm down in a play game right now, but hopefully people are playing properly enough to teach me something.

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 27 February 2005 22:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Play games are a lot more reckless than real games, people don't go all in on a whim like that when cash is on the table (apart from those guys just there to make the numbers up in tournaments. All in on 67 suited, good work fellow).

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 27 February 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago) link

i got 4th twice today at a 10 people tournament on ladbrokes precisely because people went all in with 67 suited and got lucky :(

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 27 February 2005 23:10 (nineteen years ago) link

So how much do these tournaments cost to enter? what's the most you can win/lose?

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 27 February 2005 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I got fucked over on a $30 tournament today because I went all in on KA, the other guy had a pair of tens, king on the flop, ace on the turn, and ten on the river. Unfuckingbelievable.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 27 February 2005 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

the cheap ones are like $5+1 mark. if you win through a 10 people you get $25. 2nd = $15 3rd = $10. there are variations with more players and more money etc.

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 27 February 2005 23:48 (nineteen years ago) link

So you spend $5 - what does the +1 mean?

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 27 February 2005 23:53 (nineteen years ago) link

$5 goes to the prize money, $1 is rake.

so you pay $6 to be in. but if you add up the total prize money (25+15+10) is only $50 from 10 people

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 27 February 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

i think pokerroom actually is $5+$0.5 i.e. even better.

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 27 February 2005 23:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I was in a tourney this afternoon ($2 buy in, about 240 people entered), & was sucked out. I had pocket 8s (one club), three middling clubs were flopped. Dude had a 10 of clubs, and an red Ace. I went all in, he called, and a club came up on the turn. Would've won otherwise. I was k-pissed.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 28 February 2005 00:05 (nineteen years ago) link

FYI - there's a $5.00 + $.50 no-limit Texas Holdem tourney on PokerRoom.calm that's due to start @ 7:50 PM EST.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 28 February 2005 00:15 (nineteen years ago) link

i've been playing too many real money games lately. played at a friends this weekend, crushing everything in my path and taking home $400

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Monday, 28 February 2005 11:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Nice one, "The Nuts". Are you friends getting wary about playing against you?

I am still not disciplined or perecptive enough at this game. Definitely up for a tournament one day, though - would the logistics work for us all to join a tournament table at the same time?

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 28 February 2005 11:55 (nineteen years ago) link

we just need to be there at the same time and join an empty table.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 28 February 2005 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Perhaps we should decided on a time/place? Tonight at 10pm GMT? They seem to announce the tourney times about 6 hours in advance on pokerroom.com.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 28 February 2005 13:25 (nineteen years ago) link

you mean we should all enter a multi-table tournament (i was thinking just a single table thing which you can start almost all the time)?

multitable (the ones they announce 6 hours ahead) sounds fun too though.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 28 February 2005 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Single table sounds fun too - well up for that. Maybe we could try both? I guess in the multi-table format you can't choose which table you're at.

Though, don't the casino make much less money from tournaments? If $5 + $1 only gets them $10 in total?

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 28 February 2005 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

it's a cheaper way to play in a way. but not everyone are up for money every hand games. Also, they're effectively taking a 17% (if it's $5+1) rake rather than 3% that they do in money per hand games.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 28 February 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

huh? I thought you paid your $6 and that was IT until the tournament was over?

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 28 February 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Unless they take $1 per hand... but then who do they take it from? I'm confused again. Can someone explain it all in a paragraph

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 28 February 2005 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

So, this evening? I might give it a go anyway but it's much more fun playing with you guys*

*this includes you, Julia, Ste, Daver, Caitlin, Barry, Jams, okay?

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 28 February 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

well if you pay $6, and they take $1 for the prize money, that's taking 16% right?

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 28 February 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Ken, I understand that. But in the regular games, they take the rake EVERY HAND whereas, presumably, they only take it once in these tournaments?

Maybe I'll just have a look at the site and see if it explains everything.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyway, anyone up for play or real action tonight?

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 28 February 2005 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Fuck, what a dire night. Decided to use real money. First off, 399th out of 593 - not too disgraceful, I guess. Then three single-table tourneys - 10th, 9th and 8th. I suck.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 00:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Dom took a first place on a two table $5 buy in tournament today! Some nice playing by me, some retarded playing by various Scandinavians, I was down to 600 chips with eight players on the table at one point, and then the tide turned. The final all-in saw my AA against his AQ. There's nothing better than seeing those cards come up.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I've been hosed in all the multi-table tourneys - I go all-in w/ pocket 7s, the other guy has pocket 9s. Or I get sucked out. Or I make a dumb move. I am trying my luck @ the single-table things now. I phear I am now an addict. Pray for me.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 00:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, 300 player tournaments probably aren't the way to make a living off this thing. Stick to 20/10 player games, make a few notes on the players, you'll notice some of the same names pop up.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 00:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i love the ones who come on trash talking and then get pwn3d.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 00:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh god, the Yanks on pokerroom.com are dreadful with the trash talk.

My top trick is a well-timed "Call him you pussy" when a mid-tabled player has just been offered an all-in against a top-tabled player. He won't call him, he hates you, and he'll call anything you put against him for the next half hour to reassert his masculinity. Beautiful.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 00:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Hahah! I wonder what those sort of people would be like playing poker in real life, if they're that easy to manipulate on-line.

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 08:31 (nineteen years ago) link

only got 2nd place last night.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 12:32 (nineteen years ago) link

In the same game in which I came 10th, ken :(

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 12:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Though I am still pwning at pretend money play. Just shows the difference between amateurs who like a laugh and people who actually want to win money.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 14:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm been WAY into online poking this week - Saturday, I won $30 and a $50 ticket to a tournamet (good for either a big-money $10,000 pool game OR a chance to win a ticket to the NEXT level big money game), but the last two days I have been pwned to the tune of $50 (via suck-outs & brain farts - have I mentioned that pocket queens don't mean dookie when an Ace is flopped?), and I think I'll need to ease off the gas & work the bet-limit HE games until I'm comfortable. (Moral victory - I almost finished in the top 100 last night in a tourney. Goo goo steps, y'all.)

A tip for you guys looking to break me - for whatever reason, whenever I'm in a "big money" tourney, I get tight-fisted & gun-shy. It's like I'm always playing behind, & feel like I never have enough chips to, for instance, call a pre-flop raise when I've got an Ace w/ a middling kicker. I'm hoping that practice (and/or binge drinking) will grow me some chest hair. Another tip - if you take your sweet ass time in calling a $30 bet when you have over $1,500 in chips EVERY SINGLE TIME IT'S YOUR TURN, you'll really piss me off to the point that I'll be tempted to whack you upside your virtual head. And you'll probably pwn me, too.

Yeah, obviously the psych game isn't the same online as in real life - for one, you can turn off the table chat, which is nice if you're easily swayed - but shenanigans like the long pause between bets (and the stupid HURRY UP bar that pops up) make up for that. Also, the big-ass pre-flop re-raise is just as annoying / antagonizing in the virtual world as it is in the real world.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

i dunno whether i can ever play a real life game now that i'm so used to laughing OUT LOUD whenever i know i have someone suckered when i have the top hand!

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

David, I'll be in fo sho. I'm still totally in need of practice, though - I've got so far to go before I learn what to do at whatever point in a game. And must remember to do it sober (yeah, right)...

Tonight, again, I appear to have nothing on, and Sgs has already told me she's got thesis stuff to keep her occupied. Watch this space?

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 16:26 (nineteen years ago) link

i dunno whether i can ever play a real life game now that i'm so used to laughing OUT LOUD whenever i know i have someone suckered when i have the top hand!

Hah, yeah, I don't think I could get away with singing Notorious BIG lyrics ever time I get the nuts either.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, yeah - I do my own wrong-headed color-commentary now (complete w/ total misues of poker slang). I'm afraid my roommate's going to have me committed if I continue on like this.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Definitely going to be around later (9, 10, 11 GMT). David, I am Markelby on pokerroom.com - might you be around? Anyone else?

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I might be, though probably not until later (more like 12 or 1 GMT, or 7 / 8 PM EST). Look for POPSHIZZ.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, will do (but if you can get there earlier, so much the better :)).

I fancy another tounrey tonight - ken, fancy joining me at a single-table one?

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Is there a "friends list" type of thing on this PokerRoom contraption?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Not that I know of, but Chris knows it best I think.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone playing?

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:01 (nineteen years ago) link

ME AND JULIA ARE IN A PLAY TOURNEY - SHE IS TOTALLY PWNING DUDE

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:17 (nineteen years ago) link

BUT I TOTALLY PWNED THE NEXT TOURNEY - FIRSTXOR!!!

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:41 (nineteen years ago) link

what's this about single table? i'm just making dinner now, join you afters if you're still awake

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link

in pokerroom, there's an icon at the bottom of the screen that's like a magnifying glass.. click on it and you can search for a player's name and it'd tell you what table they're on etc.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 1 March 2005 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Oooh, neat. Though we should still use this thread (and AIM?) to keep in touch. I did another play tourney afterwards last night and won again, though it was less fun as the dude I ended up playing against wasn't taking it seriously and going all in/raising to like $6000 each time. And he called me a fagget (sic). Sarah pointed out I should have responded with "moran", but I wasn't sharp enough to think of it. Damn.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 11:05 (nineteen years ago) link

OK then, I think we should have one tonight. Opinions?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 11:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I won't be able to play until 2300 GMT but I'd be keen.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link

if i'm home, then i'm not in rome.

and thus will play.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

going bowling with flatmate tonite but should be back b4 11

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 14:34 (nineteen years ago) link

played in a single table $10 tourney today, came in first. won $50

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Nice one Chris. You around?

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah well. Another constructive night's play. Came 4th in my first pretend tourney, then won my second after a titanic battle (with blinds up to $1,500) with a cool bloke who played honestly and cautiously and complimented my game. Made a nice difference compared to last night.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 3 March 2005 00:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i've found that when i play tourneys i will have Kenny Rogers "The Gambler" going in the background.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 3 March 2005 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link

it's really useful!! Sometimes I forget and I would start counting my money, while still sitting at the table.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 3 March 2005 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link

what's really useful, Ken? "The Gambler"?

Next time I play (prob tonight) I am going to have Tep's 1991 mix playing in the background.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 3 March 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

i just end up with 'the gambler' in my head when i'm playing a lot of poker, regardless. and i think of when kenny rogers was on the muppets, riding on that train and playing poker with rolf if i remember right.

― JuliaA (j_bdules), Thursday, 3 March 2005 15:30 (nineteen years ago) link

"The Gambler" is legitimately one of my twenty favourite singles of all time. The pathos of "Somewhere in the darkness, the gambler, he broke even" is too much to bare sometimes.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 3 March 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i like the Tetris connotations of "If you want to play the Game, boy, you gotta learn to play it right"

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 3 March 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

markelby which room are you in?

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 3 March 2005 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Hi Chris - sorry, haven't been on this thread. Just watched the most amusing thing - three people away at our play tournament, so they stayed in till nearly the end. Julia happened to be one of them, and she won AT LEAST 6 hands without being there! Julia, you came 2nd :) The best moment, though, was when one of the away guys (away since the very beginning, this is), was forced all-in and was dealt FOUR ACES.

A game of skill, you say? Ha!

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 4 March 2005 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link

four aces? that's insane. sorry about having to leave so abruptly. i was even doing well before i left, which is unusual for me...though maybe i play better when i'm not there!

― JuliaA (j_bdules), Friday, 4 March 2005 03:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Yay - my first real-money (one-table) tournament success - 2nd place and $15! I should have won, though - I was about $10,000 up on the last remaining guy, but he played phenomenally and I made like 1 mistake and the tables were turned.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 4 March 2005 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

anyone up for a game tonight? i need to win some money, pokerroom.com's blackjack room sucked me dry in two hands.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link

When? I could do w/ s'more losing.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago) link

if i'm in (the house), i'm in (as in up for the game)

although might be out later on. will check this thread though.

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

6 or so or later whatever.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe, but doubtful - I'm hoping Sgs will have finished her studies for the night so I can spend some quality time with her.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 4 March 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Dudes? Anyone around? I fancy a torunament/game of some description. Does everyone have AIM? I'm Markelby on that too.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 4 March 2005 22:43 (nineteen years ago) link

crap markelby im on my third tourney. 8th and 4th.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Can I play without registering or paying money or anything (I have totally skimmed this thread)

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm in a play game playing like an absolute arsehole. Haven't I learnt *anything*?

Ailsa, you can play pretend poker, yes. www.pokerroom.com - it's pretty straightforward.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link

hi honeys i'm home

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

ken, i think chris was looking for you tonite

― phil-two (phil-two), Saturday, 5 March 2005 08:27 (nineteen years ago) link

― ken c (ken c), Saturday, 5 March 2005 09:00 (nineteen years ago) link

man i did pretty good in a 135 people tourny today. but this guy beat me on two seperate hands on the river when i had the better hand. shame!

― ken c (ken c), Saturday, 5 March 2005 11:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Where did you come, Ken? Ailsa, did you give it a go? What happened to Caitlin and Ste?

― Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 5 March 2005 13:15 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah i was wasted and thought phil was ken on aim...hehehe. we had a good talk anyways about kings of convenience.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Saturday, 5 March 2005 13:55 (nineteen years ago) link

mark, read your post again.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Saturday, 5 March 2005 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry Chris, not sure what you mean.

― Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 5 March 2005 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

haha

― JuliaA (j_bdules), Saturday, 5 March 2005 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

roffle.

― ken c (ken c), Saturday, 5 March 2005 20:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh I think I get it now.

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 6 March 2005 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Anyone around tonight?

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 6 March 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Since this thread is so moribund, here's a question from a play tourney I'm in:

Two dudes go all in; their cards are turned face up. One has two kings, the other has two fives. The flop and turn are useless; the river is a third king.

Why did the 2 fives win a side pot? And why was this side pot almost twice as big as the main pot, won by the three kings guy?? Was it anything to do with the amounts they respectively bet (kings guy put in much less cash than fives guy)?

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 6 March 2005 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes.

― caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 6 March 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Long answer: Player A goes all in. Player B wants to raise.* Because A is all in, he can't call B's raise. So, the pot gets split into 2. Out of each player's bet, an amount equal to A's all-in bet goes in the main pot, and the rest goes in the side pot. If A has the best hand, s/he wins the main pot but the side pot goes to the next-best hand. If someone else wins the hand, they win both.

* or, equally, A wants to call but doesn't have a large enough stack, so goes all in without meeting the previous player's bet.

― caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 6 March 2005 22:53 (nineteen years ago) link

funny. i was really drunk last night and managed to get 3rd in a tourny (whereas day before i kept getting 4th place)

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 7 March 2005 10:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Some friends of mine said that their best ever performance in a real-life tourney was when they were really, really badly hungover. Their explanation was that there was no way the other players could tell whether or not they were bluffing, because most of the time they were feeling so ill that they couldn't remember what their cards actually were.

― caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 7 March 2005 12:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I lost all my pokerroom.com winnings on Saturday night in a drunken frenzy. Im laying off online poker for a while.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Monday, 7 March 2005 12:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I remember reading an interview with Daniel Negreanu where he said the reason he turned pro was because he woke up the day after his 21st birthday and realised he drunkenly gambled away all the money he'd won the past two years playing as an amateur.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 7 March 2005 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

i figured i was all good after i had taken home a good chunk of change from my weekly home game at my friends house earlier. well as the night wore on and the more drunk i got the worse i was. i was calling Phil- Ken on AIM and making a drunken buffoon of myself. Of course like I've said a million times...i think online games are fixed.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Monday, 7 March 2005 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

my friend says that too - i don't see too much evidence of that. but i'm guessing there are people who join the same tournament table together and collaborate (i don't know how good pokerroom are at spotting those).

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 7 March 2005 13:52 (nineteen years ago) link

it just amazes me that the same person always hit the river card to win every time. its complete bullshit. im thinking of writing a complaint to pokerroom.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Monday, 7 March 2005 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

When you win it's skill; when you lose, they're fixed ;-)

(NB: you could well be right for all I know)

― caitlin (caitlin), Monday, 7 March 2005 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link

yep!

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Monday, 7 March 2005 14:00 (nineteen years ago) link

It barely seems worth bothering any more, but PLEASE can we get 5 or six of us together tonight and start a private table, or at least all hook up for the same tourney or something? 2200 GMT? Anyone?

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:02 (nineteen years ago) link

im off of it for a while....or at least until i get paid.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I have to apologize for my previous bouts w/ flakiness. Mark, I can be on around 2300 GMT - please to post the name of the table to this thread, and I'll be there.

FYI - there's a POKAH! area on the site where one can set up a "personal" page & possibly list folks one plays w/.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, make it three, I'm in.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

im on aim and i'f im feeling lucky i'll play. chrisv1918 6pm?

― chrisv1918, Monday, 7 March 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago) link

So we're going for 2300 GMT/1800 EST/1700 midwest time or whatever it's called? I'd most like to be part of a one-table tourney, if we can wangle it.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:24 (nineteen years ago) link

im dumb i don't know fancy times. i know est.

― fuckie fuckie river card, Monday, 7 March 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago) link

aim me.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I only aim marriage, Ken.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link

2300 GMT = 11:00 PM GMT = 6:00 PM EST

Right?

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

= 5pm Republican time, 4pm Cowboy time, 3pm Hippy time.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

All time is Republican Time in Jesusville!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:52 (nineteen years ago) link

(bump)

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 7 March 2005 22:14 (nineteen years ago) link

More dudes needed! Check Markelby on AIM or post here - we're setting up a private table.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 7 March 2005 23:00 (nineteen years ago) link

hey, count me in

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 7 March 2005 23:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm logging in right now! Tell me where!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 7 March 2005 23:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Markelby da Sharkelby!

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 00:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Haha - db, before you joined I was down $40 at one point - didn't get back to breakeven, though only $8 short in the end. Good game chaps! Six of us, whoot!

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 00:35 (nineteen years ago) link

i hate poker.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm happy to know I'm not the only one that cusses & swears when they lose hands and/or get jobbed.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 01:55 (nineteen years ago) link

i played foolishly, i could have cared less...thats my problem. i get bored easily and start to play like a shithead.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 01:56 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG - I was just in a tourney, went all in w/ pocket Js and a 9-7-3 on the flop. The two big money baggers called me (both not on the blind), & the bigger one got the other one to fold, and he flips over a 7-3? That is 13 types of godforsaken @&!#$!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link

i took a lot of mark's money but then mark replentished a lot of the money from others.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 02:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I can already tell this is something I'd like to do again, but keep as a limited thing. I'm going to stick to ilxor buddies as fellow players as my limitation.

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 02:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Awww, my best showing ever just happened - 26th in a 277-person tourney. Just 6 spots away from finishing in the moolah. My 2 Ks were submarined by pocket 3s and a 3 on the flop. Alas.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 06:04 (nineteen years ago) link

It just occurred to me when telling my mate about last night's session that we might as well have been out of the fucking Sopranos - with the exception of Mr Chu and Mr Debonair, we all had Eye-talian surnames (I am assuming that David R is of Italian origin)!

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 10:27 (nineteen years ago) link

don't understate my Greek/Canadian mafia rootz!

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 10:32 (nineteen years ago) link

What on earth are you doing up?

That was some pretty attritional two-man poker last night, db :)

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 10:39 (nineteen years ago) link

hahahah! attritional to my deposit, yes. (I'm about to head to bed.. it's, ur, "only" 2:45am)

― donut debonair (donut), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 10:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Woo, I've found my driving license and registered! So now, even if we're not playing for real money, I should still be able to see you all? Right?

(so, is anyone up for a game tonight?)

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 11 March 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah man, earlier on, 300 player $5 tournament on Ladbrookes, top 30 pay, top prize $450, I was chip leader for ten minutes! And then I lost it all off of two bad hands and finished 40th. And to add insult to injury, I lost to a four of a kind Kings (had AJ suited).

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 11 March 2005 21:22 (nineteen years ago) link

(i'm "caitlinpigtails" on AIM, if anyone wants to get in touch)

― caitlin (caitlin), Friday, 11 March 2005 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Hi dudes - I'm playing a real money tourney on my day off :) Haven't had much luck lately - play tourneys are easy as all you need is patience - although I was called a pussy who shouldn't be allowed to play throught my last game! (I came 2nd, seems reasonable to me). Still only finished in the money in one real-money tourney, so I've still got a lot to learn.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link

i can teach you but i'd have to charge

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

p.s. who's up for another game soon? i quite fancy a tournament game with all of us in it. but whatever's cool.

late tonight is good, or tomorrow night all night.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:29 (nineteen years ago) link

God I fell apart at the end there. Just made mistake after mistake, then tried to bluff a win on a piar of 6s and got righteously fucked. This is happening too often - I think I am frightened of the blinds increasing to scary amounts.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:39 (nineteen years ago) link

So I played a bit Friday night in the $2-$5nl room. Mostly losing blinds with garbage for a while. Some fuckwad went all in every hand before the flop everytime! Finally I got dealt pocket bitches....i call his all in. I hit 4 of a kind. His $75 was mine. FUCKO. I may play a bit this afternoon after my dr's appt if your still online mark. maybe we can hop in a tourney...i'll aim you.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Chris, I've just come 5th and 9th in two tourneys and I think I'd be too soft a target today. Fuck.

(but AIM me anyway - as I'm not at work I'm not at my PC all the time)

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 March 2005 15:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I finished 9th in a $5 tourney this weekend (out of 300+ entrants)! I was chip leader for a good 45 minutes (out of 3+ hours of play)! I got hosed by pocket Jacks!

I've been cleaning up on the $.25-.50 tables, even as they've been cleaning me up - started w/ $30 yesterday, went down to $6, then ended up w/ $46. And I also played in some tourneys, too, where I was teh suck.

I'd love to take the big-chip cockfarmer playing 4-2 offsuit non-blinded and pop him in the mouth with a shotgun. You should NOT get 3 4s from that crap. Nor should you play 5-7 offsuit and get a straight on the river! (Sez the guy that was riding the river like a white water rafter last night.) (I also won w/ pocket 9s against 2 all-in guys w/ A-J off-suit.)

Yeah, I'm part Italian. Can you tell? :)

Worst suck-out ever - going all in w/ pocket Queens & no face cards on the flop against A-Q, and getting beat by a STRAIGHT. Almost as bad as the time I had two pair, and was housed by a flopped / turned / river'd 4-card FLUSH.

I've been playing every day, & I might need a break just to appreciate my recent good fortune (& get something done away from the PC). However, I'll probably be on, as I am weak, and need to pay off my vig, so lemme know what the plan is (on thread, preferably).

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Sigh. Why am I so bad? I might be up for playing tonight, though I really don't want to lose my whole $50 which looks totally likely.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Hi dere!

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 14 March 2005 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Me and Ken did a tourney together last night - I came 2nd, which slightly resurrected a terribly disappointing poker-playing day. I always fail horribly at the last - I invariably have like $13,000 to their $2,000, but in three hands they completely turn me over.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I was playing real-money tables last night, & was up $27, but ended up down $10 overall (due to playing 2 $5 single-table tourneys where I got jobbed) (some fuctard going all-in against me - I had pocket Qs, he had pocket 9s - lucked out w/ a 9 on the flop, & then said "later beeotch" as I was leaving the table) (stupid program closed the window before I could reply w/ "eat my fuc").

Also, really, you big-stacked bastards lucking into hands because you play EVERY SINGLE HAND even if you have 7-2 offsuit - blow a Bunsen burner three times. (I say that because I am teh jealous, of course.) Also, if I run into any other reckless dorks that raise $5 on crap flops when my hand is crap enough to make me wary of playing said hand, they will also be invited to suck on some natural gas.

It's not like I want the poker gods to continually bless me w/ last-minute saves & pocket As every hand - just don't switch from blessings to pissings at will every 3 days. I can only withstand so much whiplash.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

ah the joys of online poker. i started reading doyle brunsons "super/system 2" last night. FEAR ME NOW.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

OH NO A SYSTEM!

My system seems to be, "play your As & Ks if they don't raise, slow play non-face-carded pocket pairs, scare folks off if you think you got deez nutz, raise if the flop is teh crap and you have top card, and wait to get jobbed by the river".

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Also: "fuc a J-4 suited, as I get that more times than I get gas after meals."

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

System for online tournaments: play tight, play tight, realise that you've played so tight that your stack is inherently worthless against those who bothered playing hands, go all in, get beaten on the river.

Never fails.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i wouldn't play a j-4 suited if i was getting a blowjob at the same time.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:52 (nineteen years ago) link

If I was getting a blowjob, I'd hope it wouldn't be at a poker table of any kind. I can barely multitask as is.

Also, Dom's system was my system for the first couple of weeks - oh, if I had a nickel for every time I folded K-2 and saw two Ks come up.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, you live and learn David.

So, how often do you like to make a big play then? Say there's ten seated at a table, how often do you need to make a chipmove that's gonna have people sitting up and taking notice?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I was lucking out a lot in recent play, as I'd raise pre-flop when I had a suited set w/ a facecard, or a pretty high pocket pair, and then the flop would totally be in my favor, so my next raise (usually about 1/2 the pot or greater) would frighten all the folks that paid for the flop. And then, once in a while, I played some crap (like a suited 8-4, if blinded) and then scared folks off with a big raise when the flop was crap.

Then I came across folks that didn't give a shit, and just played regardless of what I did, which is where my strategery was submarined. Also, I wasn't getting any breaks - my A-K suited would be grouped w/ a 7-4-9 off-suit (w/ some jerk holding pocket 7s), and my lowish pocket pairs would run into Q-Q-6 (w/ some jerk holding the 3rd Q). Stupid jerks.

Or course, now that I've told you all this, I can never play w/ you ever again for phear of this knowledge being used against me.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, according to the super/system which is the bible of poker books. The advice is to play fairly loose at a 10 seat table at first. try to buy people out of pots. play aggressive at first. then mix it up. play it tighter. also keep an eye on the players that use the "speed" buttons to check, fold.....there's an online tell right there. Chances are if they use the speed button they have something. Pockets or suited connectors. if you have someone who is constantly giving you pots by folding keep attacking him..eventually you'll have all his chips. of course try not to take this advice to heart in online games....better off in real sit downs.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:27 (nineteen years ago) link

My biggest problem was falling in love w/ the idea that I could bully anyone of out the pot, even if my hand was subpar. I got really reckless, & very stubborn - I don't care if you're all in and there's four hearts on the table and I have the J of hearts, I'm paying to see your heart! And then the dude would have the A of hearts, and I'd be out $15.

Seems like the biggest problem w/ aggressive scare-tactic betting is not knowing when to get over yrself and just step away from a losing situation - it's better to turn tail after the turn than see the river through & show yrself to be full of it.

& also, & this seems really stupid to say but it's probably worth saying anyway, it helps to have the cards - during one stretch, when I was really feeling my testosterone, I was getting decent playable hands (Q-6, K-4, 5-5), and playing them like they were King Shit Nutz hands, and getting burned by unfavorable flops & my own half-ass kamikaze betting style (i.e. betting just enough to look like a sucker and simultaneously lose 3/4ths of my stack).

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Ha - I use the "speed" buttons usually because I'm either playing 2 games @ once & don't want to be bothered all the time by YOUR TURN reminders, or I'm doing something non-poker related. Motherlover, to play in a tournament where the guy before me doesn't treat a $20 bet like an essay test every damn time. JUST CALL, FOLD, OR RAISE, YOU SLOTH.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I tend to be inconsistent intentionally when I play w/r/t my tactics - problems only really come up when I start doing it UNintentionally, when I get flustered. I am too easy to bully sometimes.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago) link

i wouldn't play a j-4 suited if i was getting a blowjob at the same time.
ditto it'd be too hard to concentrate

haha many xposts now

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Is it possible to watch games in progress without playing? I'd like to get a feel for pace of play, the degree of trash talking, etc., before jumping in the deep end.

― Curious George Finds the Ether Bottle (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes it is - you'll still have to register though. The trash talking is mostly minimal, but watching the pace, style etc. is a very good idea.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:28 (nineteen years ago) link

also keep an eye on the players that use the "speed" buttons to check, fold.....there's an online tell right there. Chances are if they use the speed button they have something

if they use the "speed" button to fold.. surely that's a tell-tale sign that they DON'T have something!!

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Unless they WANT you to think that. "Ha ha ha! I'll fold Big Slick, and make them think I folded 9-2! Ha ha ha! Now I can play 9-2 w/out impugnity! Ha ha ha! Reraise before the flop, bitchz!"

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Ladbrokes trash talk:

straightflush191: ul wp
DAN_THE_GOD: tx

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Did straightflush burp?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i got pushed out last night by a royal straight flush. the information box actually write it in capital letters and with an exclamation mark.

blah blah blah wins $4383 with a ROYAL STRAIGHT FLUSH!!

like that. i felt very special indeed.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I like doing tourneys with other ILXors!

I came 2nd last night for the third time. Yet to win one though. Probably about $20 down on tounreys so far.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 21 March 2005 12:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Finally won my first tournament (single table, $5 + $.50 obv) at the... 19th attempt? So I'm still down on tourneys overall, but not by an obscene amount.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 25 March 2005 23:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Congrats, Mark!

I won $79 today, between finishing 3rd in a single-table tourney ($10), and getting really good cards at the real-money table ($69). I'm now playing real-money w/ "steve albini" (& 8 other folks). Up $6, too.

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 26 March 2005 01:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Nice one, Dave - I think you have more bollocks than I do for ring games. I also always always always lose like $30 before I hit a run of form, and seeing as I only have $27 in my account that's something I can't afford to do!

― Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 26 March 2005 13:54 (nineteen years ago) link

a guy next to me in the computer lab last week ws going on abt how he had won 6 kubricks on partypoker.com

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 26 March 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Yay, another win today, but three no-scores too, so only $3 up. How's everyone else doing? Chris? Ken? Julia? Or is some other fad in fashion now?

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 27 March 2005 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

i've been playing chess a lot

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 27 March 2005 22:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Ooh, pokerroom.com gave me a $10 bonus after I racked up a certain number of points! That's nice.

So far: 24 tournaments; 2 x 1st; 4 x 2nd; 1 x 3rd; 17 x no place.

(I can't really deal with chess - it requires a level of skill/thought that is beyond my willing)

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 27 March 2005 22:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm on a poker sabbatical for a few weeks whilst I stack enough sterling to hit the tables with a renewed vigour. I may try playing in a suit next time.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 27 March 2005 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Hehe.

In my last two tourneys I've come 1st and 3rd, which means I am now in the black after twenty-seven $5 + $0.50 tournaments. This makes me very, very happy, this profit of, I think, two whole dollars.

What do people think of multi-table tourneys? Ever really worth entering, especially if you don't have like eight hours free?

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 31 March 2005 09:34 (nineteen years ago) link

i like the multi table tourneys....as evident by me winning $800 big ones last night. I couldn't believe it, i was getting all the cards. people just got scared because i was hitting everything, i could throw out a bet with a shit hand and everyone folded. i was proud and a wee bit drunk.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 31 March 2005 11:50 (nineteen years ago) link

i even hit four of a kind last night..four 9's. i was otm.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 31 March 2005 11:50 (nineteen years ago) link

Nice going, Chris. I might have to give it a go. I tried a bit of play poker in my lunch break, and it's like decaf coffee, or talcum powder heroin. It's just not the same.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 31 March 2005 12:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I've actually capped myself on the $$$$ I throw into my PokerRoom kitty every week - it's way too tempting to, say, join a table w/ $10 dollars, get two pair, go all in, get beat by a guy w/ pocket 4s w/ a 4 on the turn, and then throw in ANOTHER $10, and then get beat again, and then etc etc etc. I should try Mark's strategy (playing the single-table tourneys till I'm satisfied), though it'll take me a loooooong while to get back in the black (well, about 20-25 3rd place finishes @ the $5 tables).

I like the multi-table tourneys, because it's longer, there's more of an investment, there's more chance of a big payout, there's a sense of being part of SOMETHING BIG, and the one time I finished in the money in a tourney (after almost 3 hours of play), it felt like I had, um, beat death? Even if it was only for $29. I DID IT MANG.

Also, I seem to have 8 hours to kill all the time, even though I'm working full-time & writing on the side - usually, I just throw on some MP3s, get a glass of water & maybe some snacky foods, and ready my cursor over the FOLD button for the next hour+. (If I make it out of the first hour, I consider it a moral victory.) (If I make it through Hour Two, I consider it sheer luck.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 31 March 2005 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

hey i got all the time in the world as im back on short term disability for my knee. between MVP Baseball and poker im sure to fry my brain.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Thursday, 31 March 2005 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

i went into a $1 tournament on ladbrokes once, and came 11th... and thus won the princely sum of $1.20 back

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 31 March 2005 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Because I love you guys...

www.ultimatepokerbankroll.com

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 31 March 2005 22:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks Dom - that looks fascinating, but maybe a bit overcomplex and, I reckon, relies on a certain level of talent.

Having said that, after spazzing out of a tourney in 10th and, with my 2nd attempt, getting down to $400 (notional) with no-one else under £1k, I managed to pull of an unlikely win, which has had the effect of raising my account to a record $67! Admittedly $10 of this was pokerroom.com's bonus, but hell.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 31 March 2005 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Thinks are still going well - up to $98 after a 3rd and a 1st last night. Though thw in was sullied by the guy in 2nd place losing his connection - in the end the blinds did for him, all I did was sat there and collected. But still, $25.

(I suspect when Sgs is in the States I might enter a few multi-table tourneys - then I won't be disturbing anyone if I stay up till 5am playing...)

How are you all doing? Y'all give us an update!

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 7 April 2005 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Sucking wind. I'm limiting myself to $30 a week, lest I sucumb to poker rage when I get beat by three 2s. Last week, that $30 lasted approximately 2 hours and 5 minutes. I think tonight (or tomorrow) is when the new week starts anew, so I might get another chance to lose more cash. Total earnings = -$250+. I try to stay away from the real money tables, but they've been good to me as much as they've jobbed me. And then, in the single-table tourneys, I get jobbed (usually by my own hubris) (or by suckouts) (I think I'm part black cat).

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 April 2005 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

David, the way I seem to be making tourneys work for me (I have less than 2 months poker-playing experience so I'm totally still learning) is by playing the first one (on the lowest-money tables) fairly loose and learning from my mistakes. It's a kind of warm-up - I seem to need a good 30 mins play before I'm seeing the cards and the opponents clearly.

Also, don't bet against someone who is consistently but unostentatiously raising - every single bad game I have, I lose all my $$$ by being overconfident with my 2 Queens or whatever.

If you feel it's going away from you, rein yourself in - fold all but the best hands, but maybe play a little looser on the ones where you've paid the blinds/where everyone else has folded.

I'm sure the advice of a mediocre beginner like me ain't worth diddly, but that's what has worked for me in its own small way. Losing $5.50 in one game and then winning $15 or $25 in the next seems to be my MO, and it's one I'm pretty happy with.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 7 April 2005 13:21 (nineteen years ago) link

i've just won one.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 7 April 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Mark, that's very sensible advice, esp. "watch out for the consistent even-keeled raiser". That's usually where I go wrong, even when I have a pocket pair higher than any card on the draw (cf. getting beat by three 2s). I hate it, tho, when I'm stuck at a table where some jerk is raising all the live-long day, & I know s/he's bluffing, and I'm stuck w/ crap cards.

I tend to play loosey-goosey before the blinds go up to $50 / $100, & then I tighten up. My problem is getting burned during the loosey-goosey stage by a decent hand, & me not recognizing what could be out there to beat me. (I'm always afraid of being bluffed out of a pot, w/ usually gets me in deep shit more often than it gets me a win.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm exactly the same. 90% of my fuck-ups are because I think I should be able to bully someone out of the pot, and the reason I *can't* is because they've got a fantastic hand (someone totally understatedly took me to the limits of bankrupcy last night when I went all gung-ho and confident and they had four of a kind).

Let the bluffers win sometimes, but keep an eagle eye out for when their hands are revealed and it proves that they bluff.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 7 April 2005 20:28 (nineteen years ago) link

David, the way I see it, the blinds change for everyone equally, so I try and play in a largely similar style even when the blinds go up. There's a small but noticeable advantage in doing this, in that the people who *are* intimidated by the blinds increasing are more likely, for a time at least, to be bullyable into folding when perhaps they shouldn't.

I just won another $5 + $.50 tourney (bringing my tourney profit to $71 after 38 tourneys - yes, I am anal, but it helps me keep tabs). I'm beginning to think of moving to $10 + $1 - anyone want to give me reasons why I shouldn't?

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 7 April 2005 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

(NB that means my bankroll is a bit down on cash games, i.e. with you bunch of hustlers.)

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 7 April 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I've switched to no limit recently. Am I a coward? If so, I'm a coward with more money than he used to have.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 7 April 2005 22:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I always play no limit. So much more freedom. The first few times I played Hold 'Em, it was pot limit, and I can't tell you how many times I wish I could've flexed more muscle w/ a bet to either scare people off or establish my authoritah. Sure, you can get bit by the same type of strategy (cf. the really high pre-flop raises, or getting into a showdown shortstacked when you're not sure you have the best hand), but the advantages outweight the drawbacks if you know how to do yr thing.

Also - belated congrats to Ken on his win! Wooo! Moolah!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 00:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Dom, no limit is a much fuller game - you win more because you have the balls and the perception to play the other players, and less because you have the best cards. There is a certain anal pleasure (as it were) in playing the percentages in a limit game, knowing the ranking of every hand, the odds of an out coming up - but no limit is a magnitude more absorbing for the depth of tactics, for mental strength, and for the chance to be a complete unreconstructed bully.

(I've discovered that if you get called a bully during play, you're doing something right)

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 8 April 2005 08:20 (nineteen years ago) link

After I finished playing last night, I clicked on a multi-table tournament that was down to its last 6 players, to see how the stronger players play. It was very quick, there was a lot of folding, raising rather than calling, and very few hands actually got to the river.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 8 April 2005 08:22 (nineteen years ago) link

I got my check for $800 in the mail yesterday. good times. my step father won a real poker table from a scratch ticket, its all mine.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Friday, 8 April 2005 12:37 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, yeah - I won $12 playing poker w/ friends in real time. Of course, one player was busy flirting w/ a co-worker (& raising pre-flop like a punk douche when he deigned to participate), one player was busy fighting w/ her boyfriend (also playing) & taking 15-minute bathroom breaks every 20 minutes, and one player had no idea what he was doing. (The other guy that made $$$ won $48.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 12:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Chris, what does your final sentence mean?

I love talking about poker. I have become a complete poker bore/evangelist.

The only time I've played real life poker, I got pwned by Sgs.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 8 April 2005 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

This is OTM. I fucked up royally in head-to-head play this past week with my regular group. I was short-stacked and hit a straight draw on the flop. I read my opponent as having a weak hand with a low pair (and I was right), but I kept calling his bets instead of raising him. I didn't hit an overpair OR the straight, so I went all-in on the river, he read it (correctly) as a bluff, and that was that.

Stupid. As Markelby noted, the correct play was to go all-in after the flop, or fold.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 8 April 2005 16:18 (nineteen years ago) link

depends on the hand

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 8 April 2005 16:55 (nineteen years ago) link

MY LUCK: Get pocket 5s, & a 5 on the flop, and get beat by a guy that had pocket 7s w/ a 7 on the flop! whatEVer.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link

HOSED

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Read an article in the paper (yes, that's right, poker coverage in the paper), about Annie Duke saying that she was always worried about people overvaluing their small pairs, even after they turn into trips post-flop. Not that it's really related, but it reminds me of my friend telling me about a tournament he played in where he had AK with a flop of K74 unsuited. AK went all-in, AA all-in behind him, my friend went all-in with AK, and then 44 called and won. Tell you the truth, I don't know if I'd have called with the trip 4's after 3 all-ins, depending on pre-flop play.

― mr. drew (mr. drew), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Tip of the day: SportingBet.com. This poker room has the worst players in history. Guy has T2, the flop is TJQ, and he RERAISES CONTINUALLY TO THE END. Fucker deserved to get smacked down.

Anyone signing up there's some split bonus for referals so just let me know and I'll give you my username.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 8 April 2005 23:46 (nineteen years ago) link

You want us to sign up to play w/ the worst players in history? That doesn't sound like fun!

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 9 April 2005 07:21 (nineteen years ago) link

It's fun for your bank balance.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 9 April 2005 08:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I am obviously thick as pigshit, but what is "T"?

I was looking at a comparison site yesterday that rated all the major poker sites. Pokerroom.com gets a good all round report, but several other sites seem to have much stupider players who you can screw for vast amounts of money. I dunno if that should tempt me away from pokerroom, where I feel pretty comfortable. But, y'know, sign up bonuses, suckers, it's tempting...

― Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 9 April 2005 11:28 (nineteen years ago) link

T is ten. Blame David Sklansky for that.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 9 April 2005 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks Dom.

Had a poor night tonight, playing lick a dick (genuine typo, so I'm leaving it in) and coming 5th twice. I pretty much know when I made my mistakes, but even so, it brought home how not very good I am at this game. I'm sure I'll be playing again tomorrow night, though.

― Markelby (Mark C), Saturday, 9 April 2005 23:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I am a red-headed stepchild, and poker is a stern taskmaster wielding an oak paddle.

― David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 10 April 2005 00:50 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm playing like a cunt today. I don't deserve to win. Ever.

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 10 April 2005 18:36 (nineteen years ago) link

First "down" day in a week for me. I need to stop suffering one bluff early on, and then assuming every other big pot is being bluffed thereafter.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 10 April 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I finally won a tourney after three unplaced efforts tonight. So I'm up today (just) but down for the weekend. I'm still too scared to play a ring game, though - scared of the unpredictable effects on my bankroll, I think. Also, I tend to play like a retarded baby foal for the first 45 mins of any given session.

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 10 April 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Finished 2nd in a $5 tourney, and THEN lost w/ 3 Qs because some moron decided to call my preflop reraise w/ 85 suited, & flopped a straight! I HATE STUPID PEOPLE AND THEIR BUSH-LIKE LUCK.

― David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 10 April 2005 21:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Amen brother. If I see one more river making a pair like sevens and threes ever again, I'm going to cry.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 10 April 2005 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Just played a few practice hands of play poker on pokerroom.com AND MY PLAY BANKROLL IS FUCKED UP! I won about $2,000 - my account says I lost $800. Obv I'm not fussed about play money, but does this imply that there's some software bug (presumably they use the same software for play & real money) that doesn't always update your cash account properly?

I was that lucky person* tonight. Three times I go all in with A or K high; three times the other dude makes a lower pair on the flop; three times I make a pair with my higher card on the turn. He was not impressed.

*but not lucky and stupid. Just lucky.

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 10 April 2005 21:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Just one small tourney tonight, in which I came 3rd. BUT, up till the last half dozen or so hands (a couple of sloppy hands had me down, and the other guy's pocket aces and ace oin the flop had me out), I felt it was the best I've played to date.

I was sensible, aggressive when necessary, folded well, bet well and backed off if I needed to. More than that, I identified early on the three other players I thought were actually playing decently (the others were clearly just calling stations). When it came to the last 4, it was me and the three I'd picked. And the steady, unflashy guy who'd I'd marked down as the dark horse got gradually more confident and aggressive, and played a masterful game to take the win.

A profit of $4.50 isn't worth talking about. But the comfort I felt in the room is. If I feel this way in a few games times, it'll be time to move to the dizzy heights of (gasp) $10 + $1 games...

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, limit hold'em, which felt so safe when I first started, now seems so limp and lifeless. Maybe if I was better at maths I'd get more of a kick out of it.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Limit hold'em is my game, but, yeah, it really is a maths game rather than a poker game.

The biggest pot I played tonight I lost heads up to a four of a kind (fours). I had full house (aces full of fours). Bastard.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 11 April 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Explain me how there were six fours in that deck of cards.

― Curious George (1/6 Scale Model) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 00:52 (nineteen years ago) link

when you play texas hold'em, five cards are dealt in the middle as "community" cards (face up), and the players each have 2 hold cards (face down).

The idea is to have the best 5 card hand out of those 7 cards. (so if there are two fours in the middle, you can have a four of a kind and full house with 4s.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Okay, I'm a moron. I played so much stud and draw poker when I was younger, it's hard to get used to Hold 'Em being the ubiquitous poker game now. D'oh!

― Curious George (1/6 Scale Model) (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i've started playing on the nyc underground poker club circuit. so much fun! i'm up a hundred or so thus far.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 02:26 (nineteen years ago) link

do you actually play poker on underground trains?

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 07:20 (nineteen years ago) link

How does that work, Yancey? Is it real life poker? I'd be scared rigid, I think. Though a colleague is organising a casino night soon, and I want to be able to play poker there. Any and all tips appreciated, especially etiquette, betting processes etc.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 08:53 (nineteen years ago) link

all the poker tables in casino seems to be stud poker

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 09:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Even with the recent explosion in hold'em's popularity? I don't know how to play stud, so that's a no-no, but hold'em...

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 11:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Yay! I won my first $5 single-table tourney (thanks in part to a 2-pair SUCK OUT wherein yours truly got his pairs on the turn & river), AND also finished 13th in a multi-table tourney of 360+ people (thanks again to a river bail out). I am still down $200+ this weekend, though, but baby steps. The fact that I PLAYED WELL actually means more than the money - I think I had a little streak similar to what Mark described up thar.

I was trying Markelby's Guide To Poker Success (i.e. the single-table tourneys), but I think I'll stick to my original plan & enter the multi-tables. I get to play more hands (usually), it's a small investment that could potentially pay big, and it's more epic (which I think I've said before). And, given how I tend to play (one after another), it's MUCH CHEAPER. I had this running dialogue w/ a guy I sat w/ @ my first table - we ended up seeing each other two more times, once when there were 60-50 players left, and once when there were 20 left. We ended up sorta rooting for each other to make it - he got knocked out 3 folks before I did.

I had a RIDICULOUS run of cards early on - 3 or 4 pocket pairs meted out by AK or AJ or KQ suited or low suited connectors that lead to a flopped flush. Busting his balls about semi-bluffs pre-flop & such. Good stuff. Still kinda miffed about the J7 offsuit I folded that would've lead to a flopped full house (Js over 7s, natch), but whatever.

Chatting during tourneys is fun, too - I was at this friendly table for about 30 minutes, then (after a big win) I was switched to a table that was tighter than a machine-sealed pickle jar. Not one damn word at all. Maybe they were upset because I stormed in w/ more chips than anyone else sitting there (excepting, um, the chip leader @ the time).

Total winnings yesterday (after subtracting $$$ spent on one-and-done fuckery) = $12. WOOOOO!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

That's wicked, David. I personally find I can't give the time to the multi-table tourneys - even though I'm sure Sgs values her alone time as much as I do, I get antsy if I know she's sitting downstairs and I haven't had a chat or a smooch for an hour. I also have a subconscious idea that online poker *might* not be the most worthy and productive use of my time, and I'd feel too guilty if I did well in a multi and ended up still playing 5 hours after I started.

Maybe on the weekend I'll give over an afternoon to it. We'll see. I think I might be playing cricket instead, though.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Thanks, Mark. Yeah, I spent about 3 hours playing in the tourney - of course, when the money was on the line, things REALLY slowed down (& not just because PokerRoom actually slows the game down when you're about to cross the $$$ threshhold). For what it's worth, you have 5 minute breaks every hour, so you can get a quick eskimo kiss in while you run off to the loo & refill your water glass / bottle of Boone's.

Also, I do "work" (listening to / taking notes on muzak) while pokering, so it's not entirely counter-productive. I think all my music writing $$$ has gone into my poker addiction, so it's only fitting I try and make money while losing it. (Jury's out on whether my writing has sucked crack pipes since I started the poker.) Anyway, I gotta do something when that inevitable run of crap hands [73 84 T2 96 J3] comes around. You could sneak off for a quick peck then, too.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I like 7 3 suited - nice small bet then pick them off one by one if the flop flops in your favour!

I'm interested that you say you work (and others have talked about what else they do while they're playing) during games. Does this mean that keeping an eagle eye on your opponents' every move isn't as necessary as I've been suspecting it might be? Certainly, the more attention I pay, the better I seem to do - one time when I got a phone call while playing, I was startled to realise I was playing almost as if drunk, so slapdash were my decisions.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:39 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, i play real-life poker -- have for six or seven years. i play in a monthly tournament with about 50 people ($50 buy-in) and have a weekly game with friends for $20. we play hold 'em, omaha, 7-stud, anaconda, etc. through playing in a bunch of different games around the city, i started getting invited to these off-the-book clubs (a la kgb's in rounders) in the lower east side and upper west side. been playing no-limit tournaments (normally 50 or 60 players) and the occassional no-limit table game ($200 buy-in). i've been holding my own. i've seen a couple of "pro" players, though i haven't sat down with any yet.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, given my lack of success, maybe I SHOULD try focusing on the game more than my other stuff. But, yeah, I have my monitor resolution set high enough that I can put the poker window in the upper left corner & keep a small word processing window open in the lower right. If it's just raise-fold action, I don't bother watching too intently, but if the flop looks interesting, or if someone goes all in, then I pay attention, especially if I folded something somewhat playable.

I'm especially intrigued by players / asshats that raise big pre-flop if they're taken to the flop, to see how they handle getting called. Also, I open up the BIG chat window, so I can scroll back & see how hands went down if I missed some action. This is especially handy when nature calls.

Anyone use the right-click player marking thing? I'm not sure what it's for, but I THINK it's for note-taking, which would probably come in handy during a tourney. Of course, I'd probably just mark every better as a "BLUFF SUCKER", & then get burned. (I always think everyone raising pre-flop is bluffing.)

Re: attention - I won the single-table tourney right before I went to sleep. I was dead tired, I hadn't eaten any dinner (aside from a few pretzels), and I just didn't give a shit. Somehow, it worked out. Of course, I go downstairs to tell my roomy I actually won, and I nearly slip and fall and pull a groin muscle. Zzzzzz.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Ow!

I use the right click stuff, a bit, but really judging someone on one game is risky unless they're obviously hopeless, so notes aren't much use. I used it a bit playing play poker about people who were assholes, though.

Yancey, you sound hardcore. I am scared of you.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I heard Yanc3 is gonna audition for the next season of Tilt. (haha "next season" I kill me)

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.theasc.com/magazine/oct98/rounders/img1.jpg

"Mr. Son Of A Bitch, let's play some cards"

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

And tonight, I completely fuck up four tourneys in a row. Shit cards, shitter concentration, shittest tactics. AAARGH.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 22:52 (nineteen years ago) link

You need to drink more!

In other news, if I have pocket Qs, it's a safe bet SOMEONE has Big Slick, and they will get a K or A on the flop.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I've done it! I've won $100 in a week!

Not that impressive to some of you advanced hustlers on here, I know, but that makes the credit card debts a little lighter to look at.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 15 April 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Nice one Dom. I had a good weekend - $46 up thanks to two firsts and a third (in four low-stakes single-table tourneys) and a swift ring game in which I managed to win lots, lose lots and win lots again in three crazy hands.

This puts me, for the first time, MORE THAN $100 UP on my inital deposit. Go me!

Tonight, I am teaching two friends, separately, how to play Texas hold'em. I am childishly excited.

Updates y'all?

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 18 April 2005 12:34 (nineteen years ago) link

grumble grumble grumble

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 12:38 (nineteen years ago) link

David, what's up?

(p.s. you owe me an email - I want to buy Rock Cats tix! GO ROCK CATS!)

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, just the usual - getting hosed on bad plays either by me being stubborn or other folks getting lucky following through on the "chip and a chair" principle. Biggest problem - getting into a $10 rebuy tourney where I rebought AND bought more chips @ the end of the first hour, and got knocked out a few minutes into Hour 2. $30 gone poopy. Ah, me.

(pps - I will e-mail you tonight or tomorrow! sorry! THESE CATS ROCK!)

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:15 (nineteen years ago) link

Rebuy tourneys always sound like a mare to me - if you have limited funds or limited time, then you're always going to lose to some deep-pocketed slacker who's happy to stay for 8 hours and spend $500.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:18 (nineteen years ago) link

From the What The Fuck Dept. (a running series of posts where every single asstastic bad beat I experience will be documented, so the world can witness how shitty my luck is):

Get dealt pocket 5s, & a 5 pops up on the flop (w/ a J & K). I'm slow playing, because what the hell? Then a K on the turn, & I figure, a full house of 5s over Ks beats all suckers. Still slow playing. J flops on the river. 3 guys are in at this point - I've just been calling their bets. One guy bets $200, & I reraise 3x (to $600). 3rd guy folds, & the $200 bettor reraises all-in. I'm thinking, "even if he has KJ, I'm paying to see his shit," so I call.

HE HAD POCKET KINGS. I LOST TO FOUR OF A KIND W/ A FULL HOUSE. WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!?!?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 00:21 (nineteen years ago) link

WTFD #2 AND #3:

AT suited. Two As flop. Woo hoo, 3 As, not much that can beat me. Other cards showing are a 4, 5, and J. Dude bets big after the river. I go all in (w/ more chips, so I'm not out if he beats me). Dude has Big Slick. I become perturbed, & am left with $295 in chips.

Next hand, I'm big blind, & about all in before betting, but, hey, pocket Ks lookin' good. Dude before me (table chip leader, 3rd or 4th in the tourney) calls, I raise all in, he calls, shows a 9T off suit, AND GETS A QUEEN HIGH STRAIGHT ON THE FLOP. I misspell WHATEVER & F*CK as I leave the table.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 03:09 (nineteen years ago) link

From the Thank You Jeebus Dept: River Q gives me 3 of a kind, saves me from single-table tourney elimination.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 03:17 (nineteen years ago) link

TYJ: I got two pair on the turn & river. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 04:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I love your contribution to this thread, Dave :)

I once again played 10 mins of a ring game and, once again, came out up ($19 this time). Which has left me wondering - does playing tourneys give you soem kind of discipline, or help you spot good hands, that playing in ring games doesn't? Or have I just got lucky? Cos at the current rate, I could use $0.25 ring games to pay my mortgage ($32 earned in less than half an hour's play in total).

I guess two samples isn't really enough to use for statistical purposes. But it's looking good.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 09:54 (nineteen years ago) link

In limit, ring games are basically finding a game where the bad players outnumber the good ones, and then just waiting for your hands to come in. I'd imagine in no limit it's a bit more of a crapshoot.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 10:08 (nineteen years ago) link

No limit $0.25 games seem to be where all the beginners end up. Beginners tend to be either super-literal with their betting, or ridiculously maniacal bluffers. Or they're just clueless. Either way, they seem pretty easy to pick off - substantial (but not all-in) raises scare them rigid, by and large (the "Chris Venuti tactic" as I call it, seeing as that's how he won lots of money off me when I first started), and there's a lot of betting to the river with second pairs and the like - a genuinely strong hand will not only win, but it'll win the cash of all the people who should have folded after the pocket cards or the flop, but carried on blindly.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 10:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I had good luck w/ ring games @ first, & then lost whatever touch I had developed - hubris forbids me to say it was my own fault, so I'll say it was bad beats whut got me.

I feel my technique is improving, despite my constant run of bad luck. This improvement is most evident in my post-bad-beat demeanor - after only a few mintues of ranting and raving, I'm ready to re-enter the fray.

I do have to watch my in-game chatting, tho - when I'm astrugglin', my tendency is to get really flustered when some asshat raises big pre-flop more than a couple of times during one go-around, & I get all "yeah yeah keep on trying it, big boy. One guy did this pre-flop AND post-flop (after an AK flopped - I had 2 Ks), & I folded incredulously after the flop raise. & then he flashed his pocket AK before the next hand. Yep.

FWIW - I did use the Note operability to mark someone as a "bluff sucker" last night.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 16:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I use the note-feature to list players who will chase miracle cards on 5th street. These people are idiots and deserved to be hustled out of every game they play in.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

WTF #4:

QJ offsuit. Flop & turn reveal an open ended straight draw for yrs truly - need a 9 or an A on the river. (The other 2 cards, BTW = 2 6s.) Turn = A. I am good. Other guy betting goes all in. I call. Eat my fuc? NO! Dude has A6, & wins w/ a full house!

According to Dom, I got what I deserved. :(

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 April 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

I played a full two hours in a $.25 - $.50 ring game last night, and finished 40 cents down. I don't know how to feel.

(I was teaching a mate how to play - he mnaged to hold his own for a while, play sensibly, win a few hand,s then threw away $20 in one go with one of the most foolish hands I've ever seen! Made me feel better in a way. My bad?)

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 09:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Schadenfreude is the true reward of the talented poker player.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 20 April 2005 10:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I am posting on here as I am well and truly on tilt and I can't seem to do ANYTHING to stop this massive slide. I am currently SIXTY-ONE DOLLARS DOWN this weekend playing ring games. I just don't get it - I was either good (lucky?) or perfectly competent enough to play for hours without losing money.

I think I am becoming genuinely resentful (TILT TILT TILT) at my bad luck. I keep thinking over and over the mistakes I made, what I should have done to rectify them, and it all makes sense - until I sit down at a virtual table. My opponents seem to have vast reservoirs of luck - in the entire time I've been playing, I have had 2 lucky breaks, including my first four of a kind, and that's it. Pocket rockets, I bet aggressively against a guy with a FUCKING 2 AND 7 SUITED. Of course, he makes a flush on the river.

So anyway, I'm now folding anything that doesn't look fantastic, and I think I've lost it.

Help?

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 24 April 2005 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy shit, since writing this I won one hand ($1.45 profti, woo), then threw away twice that much on both the next two hands, both times with fuck all yet I went to the showdown.

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 24 April 2005 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Step away from the computer, breathe, then come back.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 24 April 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Is it a good thing I've only lost $4 since my last post?

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 24 April 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Sure, you're good for a few days at that pace -- it's only $8 an hour. Have fun.

― Curious George (1/6 Scale Model) (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 24 April 2005 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Mark, I'm sorry - my bad luck's rubbed off on you! Yeah, take a break, snuggle w/ your SO, stay away from any sorts of card-looking things.

― David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 24 April 2005 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link

I got taken out by a flop straight early on today anyway, and I kept raising him beacuse of my 3 queens. Stupid stupid stupid.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 24 April 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Dom, Imagine doing that, but TWO DOZEN TIMES. Welcome to my weekend.

David, I guess my winning streak was too good to be true anyway. Or maybe, for some reason, I can do tourneys but not ring games. Ah well.

$82 down this weekend. So far.

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 24 April 2005 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I've started playing my first tourney in a week, and it's like immediately I've gone back to my old mindset, which is PLAY FAR FEWER HANDS. Can it really be that simple?

(I haven't won the tourney yet, far from it, but my mindset is just totally different. Weird)

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 24 April 2005 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Tonight I lost $1 in a ring game, and lost $1 in two tourneys (finishing 5th and 3rd). This feels like a fucking huge triumph after the weekend. Believe me.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:16 (eighteen years ago) link

btw, tonight's tiny loss takes my 3-day deficit into three figures.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:48 (eighteen years ago) link

i introduced my friend from uni to pokerroom and he mopped up $400 in 3 hours (he studied this in his computer science dissertation)

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 11:05 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't played in almost a month, internet or home games.

― Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 11:09 (eighteen years ago) link

we all should have a game again soon.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 11:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Woohoo - played in a tourney w/ a $5.00 buy-in, & finished 7th out of 220+! Won $49! Woohoo! But the cockfarmer that took 10 minutes to call every single hand managed to last longer than me! Boo! I guess I was "lucky", but I'm not sure it's "luck" when you have the percentage advantage in a hand, and you actually WIN THE HAND more often than not. I don't think I had one bad beat in the tourney (tho I did chase after an A late, & that set me back).

Markelby: if you happen to be reading this, I will give you a call re: Friday's game tomorrow evening!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey!

How's everyone else doing - time for an update I think. I have only played about 40 mins in the last week (broke even), but I'm impressed with Ken's chum. How did he do it, Ken? If that's the same guy I saw you playing just before I left, he wasn't doing anything special at the time.

David R, you are a prince among men - thanks so much for everything on Thursday - I had a fantastic time!

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Mark, it was my pleasure!

Unfortunately (or fortunately, for my wallet), I am taking a self-imposed break from pokeration, as I am currently unable to play w/out the URGE TO KILL rising to such levels as to want to choke the life out of the fickle poker gods. Also, I've been dropping more $$$ than my finances can really allow. Until I get my billz straightened out (and I don't want to suckerpunch every person that beats me), I think I'll limit myself to playing w/ fun money.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 9 May 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Aw - hope you can justify the hard stuff again soon :)

On the advice of a guy I've been recently teaching hold'em to, I have signed up for William Hill (old-style UK bookmaker)'s online poker site. He said there were far more fish there than pokerroom, where we'd been playing, and certainly his bankroll indicates this. I, however, have been up and down like a yoyo since I joined. Started with £30; up to £45 first night. Next night, unable to sleep, miserable and on tilt, lost the whole lot; over the weekend, put another £20 in and am now up to £54. All of this in ring games, where I am much less comfortable than in tourneys.

Next stop, I think, may be to sign up for one of the biggest sites - Party Poker, or Pacific, or something. My logic is that the ones who market themselves most heavily will be the ones with the biggest number of naive newcomers. Thoughts?

Do any of you chaps use flopturnriver.com? It seems to be an excellent hold'em forum - I have tentatively started posting there.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 16 May 2005 12:28 (eighteen years ago) link

i've been on partypoker for ages but never really played that much there. i lost $200 in one day a couple of years ago. i was pretty crap at it back then.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 16 May 2005 12:52 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

so, where can i find something i can print out with the basics of texas hold em (rules and some advice), or indeed more advanced info? or am i going to have to buy a book? and if so, which one?

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 13:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Any of the poker sites will have tutorials - and if you want a poker community which aggregates lots of the info, as well as having useful forums for beginners and experts alike, try www.flopturnriver.com which I like a lot.

If you like, I can get together a load of links I found for a friend of mine I taught a few weeks ago, and who now is £100 up on me as well as being, by all accounts, a much better player.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 13:46 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks mark, i'm printing off the stuff from flopturnriver.com now, looks great...

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:22 (eighteen years ago) link

After a one-week layoff, I turned into a golden god w/ the luck of the lucky. Over the last fortnight, I've won two multi-table $5 tourneys (for over $1000!), and have gone to the final table in 2 others, including yesterday. I probably would've done better in the tourney I was in last night, too, if my wifi connection didn't once again shit itself - I still finished 8th, though.

I'm actually AHEAD overall now (not as much as I'd like of course, but it's the nature of the beast). It's madness. Of course, now I expect to win, so when folks suck me out (for instance, when 2 heart-suited guys are calling my agressive raises when I get 2 pair - Ks & 3s - on the flop, and BOTH OF THEM go runner runner on me when they should've folded eons ago), I get slightly perturbed. I mean, OK, you have AQ hearts, and K73 flop (one heart), and you're short-stacked, sure, waste your money chasing an A or the long-shot flush but NINE SIX? NINE SIX? Are you STUPID? Do you want me to wipe that drool off your chin, you incompetent luck-fucking douche?

Other anti-luck fun - getting dealt pocket 10s, and losing to pocket Qs BOTH TIMES (including one hand where the flop offered both a 10 AND a Q). Also - losing AJ to 42 suited because a TWO comes up on the river. Also - losing 3 Js because my showdown opponent drew the 4 cards he needed for a straight.

I think I'm finally coming to grips w/ the random chance nature of poker, tho - I went fishing 5 times successfully last night. Granted, I was fishing for a flush w/ AK suited, or fishing for a pair w/ AJ offsuit and nothing higher than a 9 showing. Fishing for high game w/ quality bait is A-OK, unless you come up short and the dorkwit w/ pocket 3s wins all your stuff. Still, some downers or muscle relaxants would probably mitigate my need to foam at the mouth when I don't get the breaks.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 June 2005 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

David R, you da man! What are you? YOU DA MAN!!

Last night I managed to lose $80 at William Hill - very frustrating, but I think playing against UNBEFUCKINGLIEVABLY slow calling stations has warped my playing style for the worse.

So afterwards, I went to pokerroom and played shorthanded ring for a while. At first, my money ebbed away slowly (mainly because of a decent player to my right), but when he left I turned $13 into $46 in not very long at all, playing good poker, quickly, with decent-good cards against decent players who folded when they should and didn't take 30 seconds on ONE SINGLE DECISION.

God it felt good. Thing is, I *know* I can make money at William Hill, as I'm £160 up so far (playing in sterling there is very good for the bank balance - assuming I'm not losing, of course), so I'd like to stick around there a while longer. So... I'm multi-tabling from now on. I'll start with 2 tables, and consider three if that gets dull/good returns. Only real concern is that there are only 5 or 6 £0.15/£0.25 tables, and people may be getting to know my style.

Toby, do you have AIM or MSN? I'd love to discuss the whole shebang with you while you're learning - give advice if I can etc.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

i do have msn, mark - but i'm going to be offline for the next week, when we'll be in spain. but once i'm back...

― toby (tsg20), Thursday, 2 June 2005 19:30 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, cool! I still suspect you'll be more suited to limit poker (and when I say "suited", I mean "in 6 months you'll be a shoo-in for the World Series of Poker, Limit Hold'em Category"), but if your reading makes you think No Limit might be fun, that's my area of, um, slightly less hopelessness.

I'm on hols from 9th - 13th June, but after that, let's kick some ass. Via email too is fun. You should sign up for a poker site that has micro limits (i.e. where each minimum bet is between 2 and 10 cents, rather than $0.25/£0.25 where I play) as you'll learn better there than on play tables - I hear Ultimate Bet has good microlimit facilities. It may cost you a few bucks - the so-called "learning tax" whereby you lose money to start with but learn by your mistakes - but it's part of the process - and at micro-limits there's no way you should lose more than $20-$30 before you start consistently winning.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 2 June 2005 22:08 (eighteen years ago) link

Update time y'all?

(this is me right now).

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 5 June 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm trying to retrain myself right now. I got a bit stupid, thinking I could win by playing any and all hands w/ no rhyme or reason, and thinking that everyone against me is bluffing. Still up overall, of course, but my trend line's flattened out a bit.

― David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 5 June 2005 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

i've got the say i love the new pokerroom software that shows you the WINNING PERCENTAGE when there's an all-in stand up thing. except i love it so much that i'm tempted to go all-in on everything just to see this new feature.

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 5 June 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyone who hasn't clicked on my link above - my last three days have been (on William Hill alone) £72 up, £89 down, £58 up. It is NOT good for my heart rate.

Amateurs hardly ever bluff. A re-raise from a fish is a 100% sign they have the cards.

I haven't seen this software, Ken - can you describe in detail what it does?

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 5 June 2005 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link

It's an update of the PokerRoom downloadable software (for playing away from your browser). When there's a showdown, it shows the chance of winning for each contestant. So, for instance, if you have trip Js, you know your opponent (stumbling into a straight draw w/ pocket TQ offsuit) has a 9% chance of getting a card that will make you lose your shit.

― David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 5 June 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

there you go
http://lolrider.com/pokerroom.jpg

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 5 June 2005 21:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Woo dog. A 2nd-place finish (& $344 bux) for me. Mark, many thanks for mentioning that FlopTurnRiver site - it's definitely helped fix my "problems".

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 June 2005 07:00 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...

Updates anyone?

I've been playing tournaments this week after a couple of months of cash games only. It's been great fun - I can totally recommend Pacific (who are shit for most things) Poker's Nitro 16-man tourneys - 16 people, $5.50 buyin, $40 1st prize, and it's all over in 25 mins! 10 seconds to make your bet is NOT a lot of time, trust me.

I still haven't made the money in any multi-table tourneys, but equally I barely ever can spare the time to play them. SNGs I'm still comfortably up though.

Currently I'm about £350 up in all, which is a bit under £100 a month in real terms. But it's a great hobby, regardless of the cash.

If anyone wants any referrals, btw (to Pacific, Pokerroom, William Hill or Empire) I'd be delighted to send you one :)

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 26 August 2005 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm still thinking about it, but I find myself losing too much in real life.

One of the guys I play poker with said that he quit the online stuff once when he had four of a kind and was beaten by a straight flush. Bull fuckin' shit. Least with a human being, you can whup their ass.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 26 August 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

(And of all threads, this one has managed to avoid the spam?)

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 26 August 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Hahaha - oh, for all the times I've been hosed online. KK v AA, AA v KK and getting kinged on the river, AK v AA or KK, AA broken by 7-high 4-drawn straight, trip Ks broken by rivered 4-drawn flush, etc etc etc. I was especially partial to losing w/ AA to J7 off because I was reraised all-in preflop and the dude caught 2 pair ON THE FLOP.

As for me - I think I'm still up overall, but not by much. (I don't want to find out how much of my winnings have been eaten up.) Been trying higher-stakes tourneys (higher-stakes REBUY tourneys), and have been getting hosed overall. Rebuy tourneys are a bitch, as players (already looser than my shorts) just play shit hands because, hey, they can just buy back in. Had a run for about 3 weeks where I was either just missing the money or only finishing in the lower tier of the money. However, I was also playing a LOT of tourneys in a day, which probably numbed me to the nuances of the game, and made me go from cautious cagey card fiend to free-wheeling shitwit.

Played yesterday (online) for the first time in about a week - dropping most of my savings on college tuition means less happy-fun-time gambling for me. Finished 30th and won $17 in a $5 tourney (400+ entrants), and (most importantly) made good plays. And also avoided the "KK v AA" type of pooch-screws. Except when I was shortstacked near the end, and went all in preflop w/ 66 (because my stack was worth about 2 blinds), and the guy next to me called my bet. With KK. Bastard.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 August 2005 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Did I actually say K4 was a good hand once? Lord help me.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 August 2005 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Hehe :)

Anyway, tonight, not only did I finish up in cash games on FOUR different sites (albeit only one of them being a decent amount, £33 on William Hill), but I managed to WIN a single table tournament versus 9 other members of the poker forum of which I'm a member! They are almost all more experienced and successful than me, so it was doubly sweet :)

(in case anyone here is interested in having a look and maybe joining, this is the link)

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 26 August 2005 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

The Parishiltonists score their first big scalp of the season, as Raghav Passantino, aka "The Juror" (man, I love being given an obvious nickname by those dudes who stay on to watch matches after they've been eliminated) entered a 7,000 played Bet365 freeroll, and finished 6th, winning me a tidy £75 which I will use to buy the alcohol.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 11 September 2005 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Did I actually say K4 was a good hand once? Lord help me.

-- David R. (quoteidio...), August 26th, 2005. (popshots75`)

Hahahahaha guess what hand finally eliminated me from the tournament? I fucking called him with K9s as well.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 11 September 2005 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I lost $25 tonight, in real life. Who the fuck holds J6 sitting next to the dealer?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Sunday, 11 September 2005 05:45 (eighteen years ago) link

raghav dude! does this mean 75 is now the new 10+1?

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 11 September 2005 06:55 (eighteen years ago) link

we need to totally change all our login names to prefix it with ph_

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 11 September 2005 06:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Remind me why, ken?

PP, you reckon it's fixed? Really?

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4746

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 11 September 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Phew - just won my first $8+$0.80 8-man Nitro at Pacific. $40!

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 11 September 2005 17:02 (eighteen years ago) link

mark

ARE THE POKER CLAN "ROCKS N RINGS" THE COOLEST PEOPLE IN HISTORY???
http://parishiltonists.blogspot.com

― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 11 September 2005 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Um, seen them. I even posted to the first one.

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 11 September 2005 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link

raghav dude! does this mean 75 is now the new 10+1?

There's only one 10+1. But 75 is totally 10+1

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 11 September 2005 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, sorry Ken. My 8+.80 was four fifths of 10+1!! omg!

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 11 September 2005 22:42 (eighteen years ago) link

OKAY YOU GUYS. Time, I think, to organise another ILXPokerx0r game of some kind! All up for it? We should agree a weeknight soon, maybe next week, when we can all get together, probably at Pokerroom since most of us are members and it can deal with macs.

So, provisionally: Wednesday September 21st at, say, 11pm. I think you can still set up a private room at Pokerroom, is that right? If not, we can, I'm sure, find an empty room and camp out there. Even better, we could all sign up for the same sit'n'go!

Anyone who's interested, please respond on this thread or, if you like, email me on this email address. LET'S DO THIS THING, YOU GUYS!

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, I hang out at a small but perfectly formed poker community - it's a bit quiet at the mo so it'd be rad if some of you could come over, have a read and maybe join up.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link

we already have a poker community mark!!!!

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

(see 7 posts above!)

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I ain't fucking with ring games anymore, so an ILXors poker tournament would be perfect for me.

I'm about to hussle fools in the Bet365poker freeroll if anyone else is free at the moment.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:46 (eighteen years ago) link

but yes i wouldn't mind a parishiltonists tourney!

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

yes Ken, but it's a joke community, so maybe if anyone fancies a sort of proper one then it'd be nice if they could have a look. There's room for both!

(also, your one seems to have stopped)

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

i might be up for a game tonight if you guys are.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

i've been on partypoker.com for a bit though so i may well be all dumbed-down.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

i've already noticed that i trash-talk a lot more than i did

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Heh. I sometimes play at Empire, which is affiliated to Party. Don't like it very much, but it's pretty fishy.

If anyone fancies a poker challenge, have a look at this. I'm in the middle of it right now. Scary but fascinating seeing how the big boys live!

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Wow - that actually sounds like a plan! (Also, it would accomplish my ulterior motive of securing my $40 deposit bonus FOR REAL.)

FWIW: haven't played in the past couple of days, due to school stuff. Last week = not good. Got HOSED, lost $100+ in ring & tourney shenanigans. Usually hosed myself to boot.

Mark, that AI bluff would make me wanna call you bad names. :)

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link

You mean the final hand? Why, I had top pair!! No kicker, admittedly, but hell :) I am terrified about playing $3/$6 NL, but I have to do it at some point. I do know my luck's about to run out - it just can't last.

(got 2nd in a $5.50 SNG tonight, but very mixed performances at ring)

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 22:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Had a good week - up to £640 profit now, and am ready for the POKER EXTRAVAGANZA on Wednesday night - if you lot are still up for it?

Show of hands??

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I haven't played much online lately. Barely at all. I did pick up WSOP for PS2 though and its great fun. I've been playing a lot of home games as opposed to online as my frustration with online play got the best of me. Its best to walk away then to sit there and keep putting money and and complain.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:47 (eighteen years ago) link

No, it's best to play with your ILE BUDDIES! Ah go on Chris, it'd be good to see you again on the tables...

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been stopping & going w/ the Markelby Scheme. Farthest I got was to $1/$2 tables, but got wanged when I got pocket Ks and a K on the flop that gave someone else an K-high straight (on the turn).

BTW, if I get taken out by a big stacked squatter that stumbles into 2 pair while calling my raises when I'm dealt AK or AQ and get top pair on the flop, I'm gonna drive down to PR's offices and beat the shit out of someone's fax machine.

Also - to the rat bastard that A) reraised ALL IN w/ AQ off when I raised initially w/ AK suited (when we both had the same sized stack), and B) had no idea he caught a 2-flopped runner runner flush (off the stupid-ass Q) until the next hand: eat me you know-nothing rattit.

(Hi - I'm the Lupton Pitman Bitch & Moan Rebuy King.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link

last time i played i blew through $200 in 15 minutes.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Last night I had my biggest swing ever - down £50 in 30 mins, in the doldrums for an hour, then up almost £120 to finish £68 in profit. And this was all at £0.15/£0.25NL

So, tonight - should I assume no-one fancies it then?

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 12:57 (eighteen years ago) link

LOST is on tonight markelby, NO WAY I AM MISSING IT.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 12:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I gots night class. Alas.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:41 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got law exams tomorrow.

I'm still crying at the guy who rivered three tens against my pocket rockets yesterday. That would have put me in for big money, rather than knocked out just before the tourney started paying. Cunt.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Dom, I hope you don't lose that charming bedside manner when you enter the courtroom! (Also, good luck!)

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

My sob story from yesterday (first time playing in a week): why is it so hard for me to fathom that someone besides me might actually have a pocket pair? It's not like 99 is the be-all, and it's not like it's uncommon for someone else to get AA, and sorta slowplay them (raising only 2x the blind preflop to my right, calling my flop probe bet - rainbow 742 flop), and then reraise ALL IN on the turn (after Q comes out). And it's not like I'm all that smart that I can realize I'm beat. "Oh, he's totally playing AK or some crap," I think.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

David, I don't think you'll appreciate this, but last night I had 99 heads up and raised the guy's 4xBB pre-flop bet. He re-re-raised, I pushed, and he turns over JJ. Oh fuck, I think - £23 down the shitter.

And then I flop a 9. He was not pleased :)

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

i played briefly last night online, i won $45 in 15 minutes.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I'm gonna go back to limit sit and go tournaments. That's like $5 in the bank each time I sit down. It's amazing how many people don't actually understand maths.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

i can't play pot limit games to save my life. i like to play a little omaha everyonce in a while to mix it up.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:03 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Hi dere!

Updates anyone? I have had a torrid time lately - down from my peak of £788 up to only £485 up, though I have slightly turned it round and am now only £226 below my peak. Sigh.

But I have realised I am more than competent at $50NL 5max ring, which is nice, and a different sort of challenge. I also won my first $10 SNG, which made me feel great, even if I did then blow all my winnings entering MTTs which I never, ever get even close to the money in. This has to be rectified :)

Has anyone read Super System? Any good?

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 17 October 2005 10:30 (eighteen years ago) link

mark, i've read super system 1 and super system 2. both helped the game. the bible of poker.

― bingo (Chris V), Monday, 17 October 2005 10:34 (eighteen years ago) link

if you ever want to read a good book about poker (and not strategy) try "positively fifth street".

― bingo (Chris V), Monday, 17 October 2005 10:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I am sucking ass. Either because I get burnt out and make dumb plays due to frustration (cf. playing 99 to the wall w/ a K showing; bluffing w/ the nut hand against the guy that has the nut hand I'm bluffing @), or get wanged by the river / idiot players (cf. losing AK to AQ because of a rivered Q w/ my tourney on the line; losing KJ to a 35 3-drawn flush on the river; making a great call on an AI bluff w/ my 88 all over KQ until he turns a K; losing a flopped K-high straight to a big stack who gets quads w/ his fancy 95 off because of THREE DRAWN 9s including, BTW, RUNNER RUNNER).

I'm down $300-350, after being up probably $1000 (don't hold me to that), because of high tourney buy-ins and the aforementioned bad luck / stupidity / stubbornness. Also, I'm a dick when I lose, because, y'know, a decent beat in light of that horseshit I just described is still a beat, & I hate losing. I think I've developed a rep as either a donkey or an ass on le site, both of which might be deserved. I need a siesta. And for the bad beats to happen in the SMALL pots, not the pots where my stack is on the line.

Super System 2 is good stuff. Is Super System just the same stuff as SS2. (Please note: I think I've done worse since I started reading books.) (Which clearly means I was just lucky before hand, and am now getting my just desserts.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 17 October 2005 11:48 (eighteen years ago) link

i need to go all-in less often.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 17 October 2005 11:52 (eighteen years ago) link

super system 2 has the updated "online play" section as well as more updates from 1.

― bingo (Chris V), Monday, 17 October 2005 11:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Ken, can you get to Clapham Junction for 7.30 on Thursday? Starting with a £10 buyin SNG, then a £10 buyin cash game (rebuys positively encouraged), lots of beer and pizza etc. We can email to confirm the details.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:02 (eighteen years ago) link

sounds great. how many players?

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:03 (eighteen years ago) link

a few weeks ago i won a $30 buy-in tourney on poker room, raking in a nice $900. since then i've played almost exclusively the multi-table tourneys, and have lost most of it, even though i seem to finish in the money about a third of the time.

also, the fastest way to make (and lose!) money on pr is the omaha 8 tables. after going on a run where i made $500 in two days playing .50/.50, i then lost about $600 in about the same stretch. ugly stuff.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Blimey Yancey, that's good going - what's your MTT strategy? I seem to end up just camping, then not getting any value from my premiums. Which is odd as I'm semi-loose-aggressive at (shorthanded at least) cash games.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

i tend to see a lot of flops early -- you'll find a lot of weak players fishing in the early going. i push hard on those early pots and hope the fish don't suck out on me. i try to build a bankroll of about $4k before the blinds hit the $50/$100 mark -- this allows me to wait on good hands and to push hard enough to scare people out when i hit them. inevitably, i always lose big on some really nice hand -- like flopping two pair, trips or a straight -- that i don't push hard enough, and allow someone to suck out. it's one thing to maximize the value out of hands, but it's another to let someone steal it from you.

my final rule is never ever ever (unless i'm on a blind or up against someone shortstacked) play an ace with anything less than an eight as a kicker. i will make some exceptions if suited, but i have lost way too many pots with shitty kickers.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:13 (eighteen years ago) link

obviously those rules are contingent on getting good cards and not getting unlucky, so they are by no means foolproof. but i have had success with that. (if you get bad cards be patient, while taking occassional stabs at good-sized pots.)

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha - is it any wonder I tend to be timid early on & get stuck w/ the blinds equaling one-tenth my stack before the 1st hour's out? It's because of assmasters playing 94 offsuit non-blinded and flopping 94A rainbows when I have AJ, and me betting the farm. Gotta play the cards, tho, not the shit luck or shittier players (which all my bad bad beats have "taught" me to do - "oh god, AK off got busted the last 3 times I played when I was put AI preflop; I should fold").

Yesterday, I was blessed w/ AQ off right before the button in the first hand of a tourney. 3 people called, someone raised 2x the blind, someone called THAT, and then it was my turn to bet. Something tells me I should've re-raised, but I just called the small raise, and the flop (88x or something) didn't hit me, so when the raiser & the first caller started probing the pot, I ran. I think a Q came on the river, which would've won, of course.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:32 (eighteen years ago) link

don't forget to calculate pot odds! that should tell you whether to call in a spot like that, david. i.e., say, a $700 pot w/ a flop w/ garbage but only a $60 bet to call. it's ABSOLUTELY worth hanging in there in that case, especially if you have overcards and there's nothing paired on the board. HOWEVER, i never hang in for, say, a straight draw when there's also a flush draw in the board. if i'm on a draw, it needs to be for the best one.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I always ignore pot odds in the heat of the moment, or get stymied by them - "so I got QT suited w/ an KJ4 2 to the flush I can't get; pot's $300; someone bet $75, so that's 4:1 pot odds; I have 8 outs w/ 30 cards left - oh, shit, it's the cards THAT I DON'T KNOW, so that's 47:8 = 6:1; fuck, is that good odds or bad?; oh shit the timer better call; oh no don't lag don't lag don't lag F******************CK"

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway, my strategery now (until I have more money to burn): play the $5 MTTs for the cheap reps, regain confidence, hopefully win a wee bit, and then step it up buy-in-wise once I get back in the black. And AVOID THE 40K REBUY.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link

oh rebuy tourneys are certain death! never play one!

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha! I've actually had all my recent success come via rebuys. Ideally, I only buy in once (depending on how much you're willing to burn), and ride out the first hour playing the table - if it's loose, tighten up; if it's tight, let it fly a bit. And, of course, hope I don't get stuck w/ the Asshat All-Inster willing to risk a stack on any damn thing because s/he has money to burn. Getting stuck with a loopy freak in an UNLIMITED rebuy tourney when you're getting stuck w/ middling cards (like T8 suited, or KJ off) and a guy to your left raising every other hand like he's got pocket trips is no fun @ all.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Yancey, what kind of hands do you see early flops with? And how important is position? How much of a raise will you call with sub-premium hands? Do you avoid the first orbit or two because that's when maniacs will be pushing anything to try and double up?

Sorry for all the questions - I'm really struggling with this and I tend to play like David says, ultra-rock-like until I'm being eaten by the blinds and my fold equity is almost worthless against all the players with 5-10x my stack.

I just can't get my head round a rebuy tourney - even though I can be quite Laggy I am naturally cautious, and thinking ah well, I'll go all in with QTo cos I can always rebuy just doesn't work for me. I'll stick to nice, cheap, unthreatening freezeouts I think :)

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link

While I'm not Yancey, here's how I see it (&, yeah, position is very very key) (& please note that I probably don't follow my own advice):

- early position: suited connectors, AJ up, pocket pairs TT or higher; I usually raise w/ KK or AA or AK, tho I think accepted knowledge sez to either raise minimally or slowplay w/ those hands.

- middle position: suited connectors, face-carded connectors, pocket pairs; maybe raise w/ KQ suited or something similar, always raise w/ face-carded pp?

- late position: depending on what's preceded, go for it w/ just about any hand that has potential, and put down the hammer if you got the good stuff w/ lots of callers

If I'm off-base, someone w/ skillz plz let me know! (Of course, you'll need to switch it up to keep people honest, esp. in tourneys.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:48 (eighteen years ago) link

that sounds good, david. when i'm on the button i'll play pretty much anything, provided there aren't any raises greater than, say, $60. (8-2, 7-2, etc excepted of course) but those suited connectors (7-8, 6-7, 9-10) can be BIG MONEY. but beware the flushes -- someone might be in there with a better one. but you should get a strong sense from betting patterns if you have it or not.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:28 (eighteen years ago) link

FINALLY: if you raise with a middling pocket pair (4s, 5s, 6s, 7s, 8s, 9s) and a flop hits with face cards and you had more than one caller, make ONE PLAY at the flop with a big bet, and if you get called or raised, run. going into the hand you were the favorite, but once you see paint you can safely assume that you are an underdog. against one other person you can push harder, especially if they only call rather than raise. if you get a calling station to the river, consider trying for all in, unless the player has been proven to overplay weak hands, in which case his bottom-pair on the board (like 10s when there's a,k and j on the board and yr playing 8s) will take you out.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

pls note that i break all of these rules all of the time but seem to do best when i follow them

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

If I wasn't skittish before about online gaming, I am now after reading about the dudes who play four or five hands at the same table via unique telephone lines.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Things I just learned tonight:

1) When you have 3 people in a pot, and one goes AI pre-flop, you're supposed to check your remaining opponent to the river - it's the "ethical" thing to do.

2) When you have T8 suited, and the turn gives you a Q-high straight, don't bet w/ it, because the other guy's gonna have KT suited and take your chips.

2a) Losing this hand is proof that you, Mr. Bet With One Guy All In, are unethical, rude, and got what you deserved.

2b) Thinking that this "check to river" thing is chickenshit nonsense is wrong wrong wrong. You got what you deserved. Prepare for some bad luck.

3) When you're dealt AQ suited the very next hand in early position, FOLD because there's someone waiting across the table w/ AK. DO NOT raise 4x the blind and then go AI when the paint-free flop comes.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 04:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Note to self: LEARN HOW TO READ STRAIGHT DRAWS

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 04:15 (eighteen years ago) link

#1 is bullshit.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 04:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Tell that to the melonheaded namby-pamby shitwits I play against! This is the SECOND TIME that nonsense has come up - the first time (when I once again deigned to bet in such a situation), half the table was like, "yeah, man, WTF?" and I was like "no, YOU WTF? do you want to WIN CHIPS, or do you want to play La La Check-n-Fold?"

Please note that I believe #2 and #3 are bullshit as well (tho I'm at fault in #2) (at fault for forgetting I have the luck of a dead black cat under a ladder).

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

i wouldn't go 4x the blind with AQ suited full stop

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:34 (eighteen years ago) link

pot odds smot odds.

― bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

i love me some implied odds

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

A rule that came up the other night about flushes - Let's say that K-Q-J-8 of diamonds are showing. One player has the 6 and another has the 5 of diamonds. Both have flushes.

One side of the table says that Player 1 should win the pot because his flush is made up of higher cards (6 over 5). The other side says that the flush is judged by its highest card, in this case the Ace, and the other four cards are irrelevant. The two players would split the pot.

Apparently, the TV shows play like the latter, but it still nags me that the first player might've had a better hand.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

in my new house i have a partially finished man basement which is going to be converted into a poker room. only two more weeks.

― bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

where did the Ace come from?

yeah, rules like that should be defined beforehand.

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

The five best cards count, so if one player's 5th best diamond is a 6 it beats another's 5. Full stop.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link

That "only the high card in a flush matters" rule seems kinda silly. The first player SHOULD have the better hand - why should the "kicker" in a flush be treated any differently than a "kicker" in a non-flush?

Yeah! What Markelby said!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 16:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I wrote "Ace" instead of K. I have no short-term memory anymore. WHICH REALLY HELPS IN POKER.

I did think that the "a flush is a flush" rule didn't ring right. However, I play with a bunch of dudes who watch WPT and ESPN2 poker all the time, and they said that's how the pro's do it.

Well, just because the American League in baseball has a Designated Hitter doesn't mean that makes it right.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

i am generally in favor of the "check it down" rule in tourneys, simply because it sucks if someone bluffs at the pot, gets everyone else to fold, and then loses to the all-in player, thereby tripling them up and prolonging the game, costing everyone else money, etc. but this is by no means a standard poker rule.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

If I ~~have a good hand~~ think that I can win the hand, I want to squeeze as much blood out of that turnip as possible. If I've got four aces, no frickin' way am I going to sit there and check the remaining opponent.

Someone who would bluff with a bad hand in that situation likely wouldn't last long at the table anyway.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 16:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Yup, I'll always bet if I think I have a good chance at having the winning hand - and I will bet hard so that the showdown is just me vs initial all-inner if I think I'm vulnerable.

So - I got my first money finish on Saturday night! 5th in a Pokerroom $5.50 MTT - I beat 450 players to get there :) Annoyingly, I was actually chip leader with only 5 left, but a mixture of bad luck and mediocre play crippled me before my 66 was beaten by an AKo who made his flush dammit. The prize was $113 - the real money started at 4th, grr. Still, I'm pleased really.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 24 October 2005 12:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Congrats, Mark!

I suck ass. Lost @ a ring table w/ 22 when a 2 flopped but a big stack (w / 33) chased my bets to the river to get a 7-high straight. Was dealt AQ off early in a tourney when the folks directly to my right were dealt AK suited and AA, and went AI on a questionable flop because I thought the big stack (w/ AA, of course) was full of it, and I'm stupid. And lost w/ 99 because my trips came on the flop w/ two suited cards and some loose-betting shitwit (and the other guy in the hand) went AI four to the flush after I bet half the pot AND THE FLUSH HIT OF COURSE BECAUSE GOD FORBID AI BIG STACKED FLUSH CHASING SLAPHEADS SHOULD LOSE TO ME.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 24 October 2005 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link

the other day i won a load of chips from betting high on the flop after some dude went all in, another dude called me with his crap hand, i lost the main pot to the all in man, but the side pot was way bigger.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 24 October 2005 12:52 (eighteen years ago) link

David, why do you never tell us of your good wins that MUST outnumber the shitty beats you always seem to suffer? Cos you'#re clearly a decent player - are you too reckless? Do you refuse to fold hands that you know are probably beat but dammit you've got KK and you ain't folding that?

p.s. you got a problem with slapheads? ;)

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 24 October 2005 12:57 (eighteen years ago) link

fold your hands child you play like a peasant

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 24 October 2005 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Do you refuse to fold hands that you know are probably beat but dammit you've got KK and you ain't folding that?

That's part of it (cf. me get AK suited, me get 2p but there's the straight if the caller has a ten, and looky HE GOT TEN, BUT I HAVE BIG SLICK SO ME GO FOR IT) (or me get & raise with QQ, A flops, me bet big and get whacked by jerk playing A4 off). I'm reckless at inopportune times, and play close-to-the-vest when I should open things up.

My favorite moment yesterday = I have TT on the button, raise w/ it, get three callers. Flop & turn reveal 2 flush possibilities but no overcards, but the guys to my left (I'm the button) call my flop bet, and are reraising each other on the turn, so I skedaddle, thinking my TT is beat (because of all the times I've been waxed by a higher PP). They end up AI. One guy was playing Q4 off, the other was playing J7 off, and won w/ a pair of 7s. I got wanged by the flush-chasers soon after.

Which is to say: I'm good enough to get into trouble I should be smart enough to avoid, and when my decentness results in a good read, I get wanged (or, at least, I remember the wangs).

Ken kiss my arp. :)

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 24 October 2005 13:06 (eighteen years ago) link

OK, here's a feel-good story (where I probably made the wrong move):

Tourney situmation. Dealt AK off just before the button. One caller, directly after the BB. I slowplay the sucka. Button calls, SB calls.

Flop comes 5K2 rainbow - happy am I, yes? SB (a large-stacked fellow - 2x what I have right now) bets the minimum. One guy folds. I reraise 4x that. Button folds. SB calls.

Turn reveals a Q; vague flush possibility (think it matched the 2). So, right now, I'm thinking that Slappy McSlappington is playing either Kx or just chasing whatever - I've seen him stick around pots before, which is why his stack's kinda big. He checks to me. I go AI, trying to either scare him off or (hopefully) have him call w/ Kx and is meat. He calls, and turns over 52 off. Dude flopped 2 pair. Of course.

And then a Q comes out on the river, giving me the better 2 pair, and letting me escape w/ my hand covering my ass. I think I lose later on to a pair of Jokers.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 24 October 2005 13:31 (eighteen years ago) link

David, you HAD to fold on that TT hand - it's not even a close call, assuming you put in a decent sized flop bet. So don't beat yourself up about playing perfect poker :)

As for the feelgood hand, yes, I think you marginally made a mistake going all-in as only a hand that beats you will call. Having said that, had you bet the pot and been raised - what then? At least there were no more decisions to make.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 24 October 2005 13:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah - I should've just probed, not pushed in like that. It wasn't a smart move if I had the nuts (as the chances he'd call would be slim), and if I was beat (which I was), he would call. As it stood, he was probably going to reraise any bet I made (given that my flop bet = HELLO I HAVE A KING).

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 24 October 2005 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I am gradually excising non-necessary all-ins from my game, but it's tough, especially after a couple of beers and/or bad beats. My lay-downs are getting better too - even though I'm sure I'm throwing away a few winning pots, I'd bet my bottom dollar that I'm avoiding losing a hell of a lot more.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 24 October 2005 13:49 (eighteen years ago) link

congrats, markelby!

last night i played in the $50+4 us daily. 400 entrants. i ended up finishing 16th, losing on a hand i probably shouldn't have played. i had about 10,000 chips -- average at the time -- and blinds were up to 500/1000. dude to my right had been going all in every hand for a while, and had moved his stack up to 20,000 as a result. i'm on the big blind, he's on the small blind, and no one else calls. he raises pre-flop to $6000, or over half my stack. i had Q-10 of spades, and after deliberating, i decided to re-raise all-in pre-flop. he calls and shows 9-9. i hit nothing on the flop, turn or river, and i'm out, winning $200. i was so close to folding the hand and living to fight another day, but i was convinced he was just trying to steal my blind. argh. i so wanted that $4000 first place!

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 12:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Still, pretty impressive! Where was this - a live game? Or do you play online (and if so where)?

I might have done the same - certainly my last two attempts at MTTs, including the big one above, ended for me with marginal decisions rather than big suckouts or obvious mistakes.

In other poker news, London's most famous cardroom, the Gutshot club, may be forced to shut down :(

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 13:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I've been playing super aggressive lately. SUPER.

― bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 14:00 (eighteen years ago) link

this was at pokerroom. i haven't been able to play in a live game in two months! (which is good, since i lost $300 the last time i did!)

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

won 3 single table things in a row now! sweet $150

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 October 2005 18:45 (eighteen years ago) link

what's everyone's username again? i'm ygstri

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

on pokerroom? kenjuggle i think

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 27 October 2005 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

letdown08

― bingo (Chris V), Friday, 28 October 2005 08:53 (eighteen years ago) link

juror8, on about 40 different poker rooms.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 28 October 2005 09:05 (eighteen years ago) link

markelby on Pacific, Pokerroom and William Hill.

A friend of mine came 4th in the £10K guaranteed at Hills last night - I watched him until I was practically asleep. £750 isn't bad considering he'd won his ticket in a £6 satellite.

Has anyone here played at ultimatebet? A friend of mine is promoting it aggressively, plus there's a good rakeback programme.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 28 October 2005 09:14 (eighteen years ago) link

what's rakeback?

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 28 October 2005 09:24 (eighteen years ago) link

It's a scheme whereby you sign up with a rakeback provider and between 20 - 30% of the rake you personally pay on your hands is returned to your account. I don't have it on any of mine, annoyingly, but looking at my stats I've paid almost £800 in rake so far in my poker career so getting say £200 back would be pretty cool.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 28 October 2005 09:41 (eighteen years ago) link

And you can't get it retrospectively - and it's not available for all sites. But if you DO decide to sign up for a new site, make sure you look into its rakeback possibilities first - there are several aggregators of rakeback who you can sign up through. I'd recommend looking at the rakeback forums on flopturnriver.com for advice.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 28 October 2005 10:25 (eighteen years ago) link

i've been really good lately with getting the run of the cards and not getting bad beats. i like to think it's a combination of luck and my great risk assessment skills.

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 28 October 2005 10:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Update time y'all!

I have won my last 2 (two) SNGs and I am playing in a big scary real-life tourney at a Soho members club tonight (I'm not a member but I have contacts, nowotimean). £30 buyin WITH REBUYS omg, but a very generous prize pool and only roughly 40 players. I am, to be fair, bricking myself, more about the social aspect of it (I'll know no-one and feel like a spare arse among all the hyper-confident coked-up TV producers and f-list celebs), but also because I am highly likely to come out of there £100 worse off than I went in.

Ah well, it's all good fun.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I've just recently been getting into real life poker with some friends. The idea of online poker strikes me as rather depressing, somehow - surely it's a far less nuanced game?

― chap who would dare to tell uninteresting celeb spotting stories (chap), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, I guess so - I'd never experienced live poker until recently so, for a while, it was all I knew. You don't get to make plays bbased on physical tells, though there are plenty of betting-related tells that you can still take advantage of - indeed, learning to do this effectively might bring an extra aspect to your live game.

You also naturally miss out on the entire social aspect of poker, although, tbh, I'm currently reading Anthony Holden's Big Deal about the year he spent as a poker pro, and the constant travelling, living out of a suitcase, and grinding $10/$20 limit for 18-hour stints sounds pretty depressing to me too.

Essentially, if you are stimulated by the game itself, then online poker can provide a lot of the best bits of playing combined with other positive attributes - it's much quicker, cheaper, with more choice, versatility, opportunities to put it on pause for an hour or two if you like; you can do other things while playing, you can sit in your pants and chuff whenever you like; and you can multi-table, which again speeds it up and also, if you're a winning player, ups your profit.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Online poker possesses a different sort of nuance. A "son of a bitch, these fuckers will chase w/ any suited cards, won't they?; LET MY ROCKETS WIN DAMN YOU" sort of nuance.

Also, what Mark said. I played @ a table @ Foxwoods a month or so ago, and after I got over the initial jitters (OMG REAL PEOPLE!), it was great. Maybe I wouldn't be so woo-hoo about it if I didn't win, but whatever. And I think getting slapped down so often online made me much more aware of what could happen if I'm not careful or ever vigilant.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I've finally found a weekly live tournament. Last week, there were sixteen people seated at two tables in a kitchen. Good times.

I went out when I drew a straight and got beat by a full house. I basically wagered that Mr. Bluffy McBluff didn't have a pair of fives, but for once, he wasn't bluffing.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

holy shit guys!!!!

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― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 27 November 2005 14:51 (eighteen years ago) link

say hi to the parishiltonists!
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― ken c (ken c), Sunday, 27 November 2005 14:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Already a member of a rival team, ken :)

I have, this weekend, switched my poker sites to ones that offer Rakeback (30% at Interpoker, which is a Cryptologic site like William Hill, where I've been playing for the last 6 months, and 35% at RakebackPoker, which is a Prima site). I calculated that this would have saved me about £250 had I done this when I started. Grr.

In other news, I am actually DOWN for November, which sux big donkey balls. 4 days to turn it round...

― Markelby (Mark C), Sunday, 27 November 2005 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link

"Is a dream a lie if it don't come true,
or is it something worse that leads me to LOSING BECAUSE OF GODDAM SEVEN SHOWING UP ON THE RIVER GIVING MY OPPONENT TWO PAIR."

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 28 November 2005 07:31 (eighteen years ago) link

ken, i shall join the team soon.

― bingo (Chris V), Monday, 28 November 2005 11:00 (eighteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

yesterday i placed second in pokerroom's $50 tourney -- $1600!!! thank you transit strike!

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Nice!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:24 (eighteen years ago) link

wow!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

So at the beginning of last month, I crunched some numbers. From February to July, I made about $600. From August to October, I lost $1400, mostly due to bad luck & me being stooopid.

So, starting early November, I vowed to only play 1 tourney / day, and if I lost, then so be it, that's my limit. I bought into a $10 NL tourney, finished in the top 20, won about $100 or so. Then I figured I'd give ring tables ($.25 NL) another chance. In November, I made up the deficit I was in, am now up $150 overall, and have yet to re-deposit any moolah. Of course, I've been in a holding pattern since my last withdrawal, but whatever.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

I've also flamed about 59230 people after bad beats or good beats or whenever I misjudge a situation & get burned. My typing hands move faster than my sense of decorum.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah i flame people all the time these days. also my playing has been well shit - there was a purple patch when i was winning every single table tourney i was in or come 2nd. now i struggle to get to 3rd place. i think i'm getting too arrogant at times.

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

You made $1,000 in November? Holy Moly. You and Yancey are as hardcore as each other!

(good stuff y'all :))

I am currently treading water, which has lasted 3 months. Still £100 away from my Xmas target of a grand clear profit. Very frustrating indeed. I have also dabbled a little bit in limit - am just about up, I think, but it's really just an antidote to the terrifying ups and downs of my first love NL.

Haha Ken - I was having a great SNG run, then didn't finish ITM for 13 of the fuckers. This game is mental.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 22 December 2005 15:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Every tourney I've been in of late has seemingly started me @ a table w/ at least 3 fuckwits chasing J4 offsuit and catching two pair on the river.

Also, to those of you that HIT THE WRONG BUTTON when I reraise big and catch your dream flop: eat one rotten cowpie.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:15 (eighteen years ago) link

i played yesterday for the first time in months and finished 6th (just out of the money) in a three table $50 tourney! crapola!

ken i also submitted my app for team membership!

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

It just occurred to me how much the very first sentence in this thread has changed my life. Cheers Chris, though the missus may not thank you quite so much!

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 22 December 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Went out on a pair of aces this week. I'm actually beginning to think that's my least favorite hand.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 22 December 2005 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link

My bane hand is KK - too many times I've been hornswoggled by either AA, Ax, or a pocket pair turned trips on the flop. Gotta ride or die w/ it, tho, within reason. KK, that is.

Did you lose w/ AA because of the way you played or another player's stubbornness - if you have someone that's calling your big bets chasing a flush or straight that they inevitably catch, you can't do a damn thing except tip your hat and wish them eons of pain.

Yo Yancey! More info on your win, plz! How many folks in the tourney? Did you encounter any fish or donkeys or other forms of wildlife?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 22 December 2005 19:01 (eighteen years ago) link

In hindsight, and I always hate using those words talking about poker, but

In hindsight, I should've seen it coming. I had AA and the flop came up J-8-3. Soon as I raised, Johnny-on-the-spot immediately doubled his bet. He did it so quick. I just looked at him for a second, and called him anyway. He had J-J.

I should've figured that out, just the way he freakin' jumped in there like that. But when you got a pair of aces, you don't feel rightly mortal to those kind of sheniangans.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 22 December 2005 19:19 (eighteen years ago) link

well, it was about 300 people, $50+4. early on i pulled out a couple of tough all ins (a-k vs. 6-6 or something like that, w/ me on the ace) and i dodged a few bullets. didn't get GREAT cards, but did a good job of stealing blinds and pots on the flop. with 40 people left i was the chip leader w/ about 30,000 chips, and lost a couple of tough toss-ups. with about 15 people left i was down to $5k (blinds were about $2k at this point) and actually managed to steal some blinds with that small a stack (no one wanted to miss the top ten, when the money started getting legit). soon enough i was up to $15k and managed to keep scrapping. the big hand was w/ about 12 people left. i'm on the button, chip leader -- who played VERY loose -- quadruples the blind to $8k. i reraise the rest of my money -- another $20k -- with A-A. he calls and turns over q-10 (wtf?) and from there on out i was the chip leader or close to it. i thought i had first sewn up at one point. it was heads up, and i get dealt a-k as the first to act. he calls, i raise pre-flop. flop comes a-k-junk, with two clubs. i bet a small amount, he reraises all-in and i call, having him well covered. he shows 2-3 clubs, and he rivers a club of course. after a FULL HOUR of heads up he finally takes it. it was a blast.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 22 December 2005 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link

and dudes i cannot get with the getting mad about hands thing. i mean sure, i get pissed too sometimes, but i WANT those idiots to call. seven out of ten times i'm gonna get their money!

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 22 December 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

i mean sure, i get pissed too sometimes, but i WANT those idiots to call.

Yeah, I know that intellectually, but I get too wound up when DoucheBoy hits his dream draw that I wig out and get all Matusowy on the guy. And then I get called "poopshits".

That tourney sounds awesome, BTW!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 22 December 2005 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

KK is my death hand as well....fucking hate it. I lay it down instantly now.

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Thursday, 22 December 2005 21:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Everything is my jinx hand right now! I folded TPTK on the flop to a simple check raise earlier - my theory is that these amateurs only try it when they make a set or whatever.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 22 December 2005 23:47 (eighteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I got $89 rakeback in December. Which means I've missed out on over $500 in rakeback since I started. That sucks!!

If anyone is interested (and it's just me talking about poker), I have a poker blog you can fnd here. Let me know what you think!

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:04 (eighteen years ago) link

Wherefore art thou gettingest this rakeback?

SNGs are teh suck for me. Been trying them lately - HOSE CITY. I did, however, manage to make it into the money in thee hot-to-trot 50K unlimited rebuy hoohah. Lucky me, I played when "only" 600 folks entered. Ended up finishing 55th or so, only because douchebag big stacked honker decided to call my AQ off AI preflop w/ AT suited, and he caught a flop featuring both a T and two suited cards. Jerk.

Nice bloggo, btw!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link

FWIW: still haven't bought back in since November, still acting like a spoiled brat when I either get outfished or outplayed.

PS from my previous post - the buy in for that 50K was $30. I ended up winning $175!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Nice going dude - I am terrifed by rebuys because a) they can cost a fortune and b) rich assholes will just go all in every hand and prevent you from actually playing poker!

I get the rakeback through a rakeback website who seem pretty decent. The downside is you can't get it on sites where you are already subscribed. However, if you swap to a site which does offer rakeback and uses the same network (e.g I used to play at William Hill but now play at Interpoker, on the same tables only with a slightly different interface and 30% rakeback) then effectively nothing has changed other than the money coming into your account :)

If you want to email me I'll happily give you all the details and refer you!

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 6 January 2006 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, rebuys are awful, especially the low-buy-in ones. PR runs a $2 unlimited rebuy tourney every weekday (@ 4 PM EST) - folks strap on their clown shoes for that shit. I only do ones-and-dones w/ rebuys, tho, especially for the $$$ they can cost. I think that's the reason I lost so much money in the middle of last year - buying back into, and back into, and one more fucking time STOP FISHING A-HOLE into those blasted rebuys.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 6 January 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Won my first weekly $10 buy-in. I'd come in second a couple of times, but I finally won. It's nice having a hundred bucks, but it feels really nice having outlasted everyone. Every so often, it's nice to have been the best at something, even if it was for just one night.

It was all a blur. Flop was showing Q-A-9. He called all-in with $33. I had close to eighty with K-Q suited in the pocket. I figured that he might have the Ace, but I had the three spades and a pair already. Really, like an idiot, I called him. He had A-3. The next card was the ten of spades. I had four spades now, but was still nervous as hell. The river was a Jack, giving me a straight.

I feel kinda bad because I beat the host (who's been a great host), and he's never won one before. But he went all-in first, which was a good move though maybe not in hindsight.

Anyway, maybe you could say I showed some (blind, dumb, wreckless, stupid) BALLS and came out ahead. Nine out of ten times I would've lost, but I got it this time.

Anyone else feel guilty for winning hands that they walked backwards into? It's hard to feel that bad when you did what you were supposed to even if you weren't supposed to that.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 9 January 2006 09:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Good stuff PP! I know exactly what you mean - I don't mind being seen as loose or aggressive, but showing down a shitty hand that somehow wins has a special embarrassment attached to it. I even said "omg sorry" when I pushed in a $10 online SNG the other day and made runner runner straight, rivering the card that gave him a set, to knock out some poor guy who had by far the best of it when we both went all-in. I apologised because it was the third time I had massively sucked out on someone within about five hands...

I've had a good few days playing at Party, with my last six $10+$1 SNG results coming 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 7th*, & 1st. If anyone's interested, I posted the complete hand history (i.e. the 32 hands where I saw a flop or was in the last three) of the SNG I won yesterday on the bijou poker forum on which I also post - you can find it here. Comments more than welcome!

*99 in pocket, pushed when shortstacked, came up against AA. Flop Q9x, woohoo! Turn Q, river... Q, giving him a higher full house. I HATE being beaten by the board.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 9 January 2006 10:36 (eighteen years ago) link

flop, river, pocket -- these are funny names

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 9 January 2006 10:39 (eighteen years ago) link

or "terms"

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 9 January 2006 10:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Did full stops kill your parents?

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 9 January 2006 11:01 (eighteen years ago) link

are you on your periods?

i had QQ and made these two folks go all-in pre-flop with their one A.

Flop: 2 Q 5
Turn: 4
River: 3

heh. i roffled.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:05 (eighteen years ago) link

There's one guy at my table who has consistently been beat by betting big with As-Ks to someone's Jc-Qd only to have something like 2h-4h-5h-8h-10h dealt out onto the table. And it just keeps happening to the poor guy, like a bad dream.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 9 January 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link

oh, you've been playing me!

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 9 January 2006 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

heh, just tonight. pwn3d by 4 straight draws in an hour. hands included 3 x 10. JJ KK. etc.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 03:08 (eighteen years ago) link

pwn3d me once, shame on you. pwn3d me twice, shame on me.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 03:23 (eighteen years ago) link

make it 5.

and also. when i have the slicks it had to be when someone else has rockets.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 03:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Out of how many hands in that hour?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link

about 10 showdowns?

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 03:35 (eighteen years ago) link

it was one of them single table thingie.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link

i lost $400 in my in-person game in the city the other night. ugh! at least i lost the bulk of it on a-k and k-k. mostly not dumb shit, but not the way i wanted it to turn out.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 04:20 (eighteen years ago) link

I was just wondering, ken, because the odds of straights being drawn like that five times in an hour just seem, I dunno, a little out there.

I haven't played online, so what do I know.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 05:38 (eighteen years ago) link

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 05:43 (eighteen years ago) link

PP, in an online 10-handed game, single-tabling, you can expect to play between 40 and 70 hands per hour. In a tournament, like Ken was playing, because players get knocked out the number of hands plays increases. They tend to last between 30 and 80 minutes, usually 45-60, and there can be between about 70-120 hands played in that time.

I once won a shorthanded SNG in 11 hands - I got great cards, played them hard, and took out each of the players one by one in the space of 5 minutes. It was brutal and beautiful :)

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 12:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I once won a shorthanded SNG in 11 hands - I got great cards, played them hard, and took out each of the players one by one in the space of 5 minutes. It was brutal and beautiful :)

it's only beautiful when your great cards don't get knocked out by A 2 3 4 5 far out straight draw

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 10 January 2006 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link

You know I've been banging on about rakeback? Well, the rakeback provider I use provided a freeroll tournament for new members, and I came 10th! In a normal freeroll, 10th wouldn't be much to write home about; but this one had a $10,000 guaranteed prize pool, and I made $200!

I played one single hand on the final table (99 vs AQ) and bust out, but it didn't matter, as 4th through 10th all got the same prize :)

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 23 January 2006 00:00 (eighteen years ago) link

It's been a decent weekend all round, actually. Made bugger all at NL, but I did manage to win both my first $20+$2 SNG and my first Omaha hi/lo SNG!

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 23 January 2006 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

congrats dude. i had a great weekend last one -- won $500 in an pr tourney and then $700 last sunday at an in-person game. lost $150 at my in-person game on friday, although there were two pro players there so i didn't feel as badly.

i'm getting kinda sick of pokerroom tho. does anyone know of any other mac-compatible sites?

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 23 January 2006 00:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Full Tilt are launching Mac-compatible software - which is a proper standalone program rather than a java application, apparently (caveat emptor - I've never used Full Tilt though it seems kosher from what I've heard).

Also, Pacific supports Macs, and it's supposed to be full of fish. There are some fun turbo tourneys there too.

If you decide to go for either, then I'd be delighted to either refer you to Pacific for bonus fun, or set you up with my rakeback provider for Full Tilt (I think they offer a 27% rakeback scheme) - let me know if I can help!

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:13 (eighteen years ago) link

refer me to some too mark!

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, where do you want to join! Are you on Party, which has by far the most fish as far as I can tell? I can refer you there, though there's no rakeback. Interpoker I'd be delighted to refer you to - 30% rakeback there; Pacific I can do too, and I know that you can get rakeback at Pacific but not through the site I use I don't think; maybe some others. Just tell me what you're after :)

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:54 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm growing to hate partypoker. i don't like the format too much. interpoker sounds fun though!

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

also. i just clicked the wrong button and called some loser's all in :(

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

still in but in much worse shape. wish me luck

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link

now some dude caught a flush when he's all in with a worse hand

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 00:04 (eighteen years ago) link

what a stupid night

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 00:07 (eighteen years ago) link

new game. got rockets. no fucker calls :(

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 00:16 (eighteen years ago) link

i even limped in

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 00:18 (eighteen years ago) link

fucking sick.

someone went all in with A5 to buy the blinds. I had KK and called it. he catches 436 and then 8 on the river. sick.

fuck party poker

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 00:43 (eighteen years ago) link

Was there a 2 on the turn?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 00:53 (eighteen years ago) link

oh i may have done the numebrs wrong but they caught a straight

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 00:54 (eighteen years ago) link

at least i won some money back with the money per hand games

― ken c (ken c), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 01:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I have got to stop being a little bitch whenever I lose, esp. to a dimwit that's begging to give away his/her money.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 01:21 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm back in the game now. At low levels, I've already made £40 so far this week just off limit single table tournaments at pokerroom.... No Limit is a bit too far away for me at the moment.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 01:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, yeah - and blah blah won $500 in a $30 MTT on thee PR. Just in time to start paying off college loans WOO HOO!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 25 January 2006 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link

oh man.

i ended up 12th in a 320 people tourney! it was amazing. i was totally down and out with like 900 chips left and went all in under the gun. somehow held on to the money bits (40th) and then slowly worked all the way up to loitering around the top 3 spots for best part of 40 minutes! it was mental.. it was such a good feeling.

then stupidity struck.. first i couldn't resist holding onto a nut flush draw from the flop. THEN i was on small blind and the big blind dude was AWAY, previously this happend i forgot to RAISE and gave him to chips. this time i remembered to raise BUT I DIDN'T SEE THAT SOMEONE ELSE ALREADY RAISED and i lost all the cash lol.

i could have been in serious money tonight but still it was a nice 2 hour adventure! i dunno whether i can ever play as well as this again (up to the stupid bits)

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 3 February 2006 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link

i had the run of the cards too, i suppose. when i was short stacked people kept bullying me when i actually had a hand and i just kept doubling tripling through.

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 3 February 2006 02:35 (eighteen years ago) link

the only annoying thing is that that dude who is AWAY is still there now at the final table!

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 3 February 2006 02:41 (eighteen years ago) link

hey new yorkers: anybody up for a once-a-month wednesday night game? that's my only dependable day off, and i haven't played for ages. (once a month is probably all i can negotiate for with the Other Important Household Member). i'm just looking low-stakes, nothing fancy. if there's any interest, you can email me at the below address, replacing the first 4's and the 0, obv.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 3 February 2006 02:44 (eighteen years ago) link

(i mean, replacing both 4's, is what i mean)

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 3 February 2006 02:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I have recently started playing with some bros, after one of them came fourth in his IT department's tournament at first attempt and talked us all into having a monthly game.

first up: came fourth out of five, no real idea what I was doing tbh. went and read a little afterwards to prepare for...

second game: chip leader for about half the game after pulling off some big wins early. then I got a run of totally useless hands which chipped away at my pile (we were playing antes rather than small/big blind). key moment: folded while on A-2-4-5 with one to come because it was getting way too pricey for me. should've backed myself in because guess what came on the river! and they were bluffing too. was out within three hands.

third game: useless, had mind on other things so probably subconsciously threw it. lucky it's only ten bucks to play.

― rez one-bagger (haitch), Friday, 3 February 2006 03:11 (eighteen years ago) link

About the dumbest move I've made recently was in a heads-up. The blinds were $4-$8, and I was the big blind. Other guy just called and pushed in his $4. I looked at my cards, saw an unsuited 5-2, and folded. Other dude shrugged his shoulders and took my eight dollars.

I can take a little comfort in the fact that he probably had a better two-card hand, but hell. I could've seen the flop for free and then folded. Or hell, it could've been something crazy like 3-4-6 or 2-5-2.

Dumb move. It was late.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 3 February 2006 03:35 (eighteen years ago) link

it's gutting when something like this happens.. i think the poker software i use warns me about that (it says something like "DUDE IT'S FREE TO CHECK DO YOU WANNA?" without the dude bit)

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 3 February 2006 03:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I suspect it may have been live, Ken.

key moment: folded while on A-2-4-5 with one to come because it was getting way too pricey for me. should've backed myself in because guess what came on the river! and they were bluffing too.

You can't let yourself be results oriented, though. Unless you were getting 10:1 odds to call, you were well off out of the pot (and I'm sure you weren't if it was getting pricey). Your fold was good - you need to make sure you do the same next time, rather than remembering that the miracle card came last time and paying bad odds in order to see the river.

Guess what I saw on telly last night? A certain bearded lotherio winning $1.4m with rockets!

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 3 February 2006 10:53 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm back into the mix, i've been playing a lot again. got roughed up last night.

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Friday, 3 February 2006 11:13 (eighteen years ago) link

i thought it may be too mark

hey wher's my invite

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 3 February 2006 12:11 (eighteen years ago) link

to your rakeback thing i mean

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 3 February 2006 12:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Ken, I don't send you an invite as such. You go to their site, find the specific link, follow it, then email them and say you have joined and that you were referred by me - my username is Zerbombt and my membership no. is RTR04959.

If you want to join Party, you can also do it through raketherake though it's not rakeback as such, rather it's a sort of odd bonus thing that looks quite good. Or you can let me refer you, in which case I get $50.

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 3 February 2006 12:20 (eighteen years ago) link

im already on party i;m fraid!

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 3 February 2006 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

(first ever one i joined! way back in 2002!)

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 3 February 2006 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Heh!

So, who do you want to join? I can def recommend Interpoker - $100 bonus a month, a great freeroll tourney for new members (the one I won $200 in, above), and $, £ and € tables.

Ok Step 1 : Go http://www.raketherake.com/PokerInterpoker.html and follow the on screen instructions, basically you just need to click on their link which takes you to the interpoker site. This is important – you have to follow their link otherwise you will not be able to have rakeback added, so make sure you click the banner! There are no codes or anything to enter, it’s all automatic based on you clicking their banner.

Step 2 : Once you’ve set up your interpoker account and deposited some money (100% match up to $100 so deposit the full amount if you can), email newplayer@raketherake.com letting them know you have set up a new interpoker account from their link and give them your username and ask them to set up a new rakeback account. Tell them you want the rake paid directly in to your poker account. Don’t forget to say “I was referred by Mark Casarotto, RTR account number RTR04959”.

That's it!

― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 3 February 2006 12:28 (eighteen years ago) link

tommorrow i get started on building my own ten person homemade super table.

http://www.homepokertourney.com/tables_build.htm

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Friday, 3 February 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

table almost done, need to put the rail on.

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 11:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Pics plz Chris!

Anyone here play $100NL? I want advice about whether I could move up to it...

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 11:33 (eighteen years ago) link

as soon as the rail is on pics will be posted. actually i'll post before and after.

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 12:31 (eighteen years ago) link

OH, sweet.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 17:55 (eighteen years ago) link

the unrailed table. built from scratch.
http://webpages.charter.net/cmvenuti/images/table.jpg

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

forgive mmy dingy basement

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

At where else would a poker game be played outside of a casino?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Here's my bad news for the day:

I knew there would come a time where I would finally agree with my friends who think of Game Night as a lame poker party. I think I've just been in denial for a long time. ... After 20 something weeks of hosting the poker tournament I've had enough. Some poker players are consistently rude, inconsiderate, sloppy, and way too serious. Last night D____, a weekly staple at the poker table told me I couldn't cut the deck the way I did. M______ handed me the deck to cut and the top card had practically fallen off, so I just knocked it off the rest of the way. D____ in a very serious no no tone said I couldn't count the deck. D____ had stormed out the week before without saying goodbye so I told him that he couldn't do that and I got pissed off and remained pissed for the rest of the night ... I'm tired of people being impatient and sitting around wanting me to warp the rest of the poker bunch into the kitchen so we can begin. I'm tired of our kitchen smelling like a dirty ashtray. I do not like waiting around after everyone is gone 'til four am so the tournament can end. L_____ and I are both sick of finding beer caps in the garbage disposal. ...And I hate it when people storm out of the house. It's not worth it to me. That's why no one else hosts a weekly 10 to 16 player tournament. ... The poker players also seem to think that if they meet someone that happens to like poker, they should invite them to my house, give them directions, and hand out my phone number. My very good friends have made some very bad judgement calls lately ...I'm sorry if cancelling the poker tournament disappoints some of the friendly poker players whose company I enjoy (you know who you are). But I know you will understand because you know what I have to deal with. It had to end sooner or later.

Dude is completely OTM in his e-mail to all of us. In case anyone was curious, THAT'S how you kill a poker night.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

the rail is being shipped...no, i didn't build one from scratch. f-that shit.

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 12:51 (eighteen years ago) link

COMPLETED TABLE.
http://webpages.charter.net/cmvenuti/images/table.jpg

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Looks real good, Chris. When you having us over?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

anytime anyone wants to fly out to beantown (well west of beantown anyways) im always down for a game!

― slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Bwah hah hah.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 10 February 2006 22:35 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...

I never posted this, did I?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/biondino/royal.jpg

NB - stone cold nuts on flop, turn and river - the perfect poker hand :)

― Crimea River (Mark C), Monday, 29 May 2006 19:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Also - updates everyone please!

― Crimea River (Mark C), Monday, 29 May 2006 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I work with a number of internet gaming companies but have never once logged on and spent my own hard-earned cash.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 29 May 2006 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Ooh, what do you do?

― Crimea River (Mark C), Monday, 29 May 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Man, I was looking at this thread to bump earlier on. In the past five days, I've finished 2nd and 6th in 300 player plus tournaments. Today I was knocked out (in 6th) by a guy who, on running hands, was dealt JJ, TT, AJ, KQs, and, knocking out my T9s all in, AA. Git.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 29 May 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I am a consultant and work in payments and risk management.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 29 May 2006 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

nice going Dom! I have won my last 2 $11 SNGs. About bloody time too.

― Crimea River (Mark C), Monday, 29 May 2006 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

So, I made about £200 this weekend, almost all grinding out £25 and $50NL. I might buy a camera with it. Yancey, David, Ken, Haitch, Chris, Pleasant Plains - updates y'all?

― Crimea River (Mark C), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 14:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm hanging in there - been playing mostly ring tables ($.50 NL - OH YEAH HIGH ROLLING), & am still up overall, but got screwed by the poker gods this weekend. First hand I got sitting down at a table = AA. I raise 5x the blind, two people call. Flop is AQQ. Me = !!!! I check, some jerky bets $2, I (thinking I have this hand sewn up, & thinking Slappy is playing Ax) call. 3rd dood folds. Turn is a Q - no betting. River is crap. I end up getting reraised & going all in. Slappy had QJ offsuit. Then has the balls to tell me I shouldn't have slowplayed the nut full house. I kinda lost it then.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

Up another £200 this week (god, why do I post this - I must curse myself). I am contemplating, once again, the move to $100NL - I am easily rolled for it but just don't have the balls. Though I did play 50 hands or so along with tonight's session, and finished $19 up on that table, which is better than a kick in the balls I guess.

The week's highlight was this. Snazzy, eh?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/biondino/royal2.jpg

― Earwig oh! (Mark C), Friday, 11 August 2006 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

you don't appear to have tempted the rest into putting that much in, though.

― Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Friday, 11 August 2006 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

i should really read this thread through.. will later.

but, can anyone rec a good underground house in NYC? i used to really enjoy those, one on the ues and a couple on the west side. not that i bet much, mostly tournaments where you'd only blow $60-80 on the early rebuys. i've heard of some really loose games w/ drunk kids in williamsburg.

online just doesn't do it for me, i end up getting bored. haven't played in over a year, but was in a tournament last week that rekindled some interest.

― mentalismé (sanskrit), Saturday, 12 August 2006 01:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Sanskrit - have you spoken to Yancey about it?

Louis - I got a £17 pot in the end - check/raised Phipps on the river and got a call. Not too shabby.

― Earwig oh! (Mark C), Saturday, 12 August 2006 10:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Not too shabby indeed!

FWIW, I'm hanging in there - up nearly 2 grand for the year, and won 6 bills @ Foxwoods a few weekends ago. Gonna head up there in a few hours again, actually (to give the money back, of course).

I am ALMOST to the point that I can stop relentlessly bitching about bad beats. Tho it's hard when I raise w/ QQ, catch trips, get 55 to go AI, and lose to a runner-runner straight.

Oh, and RAKEBACK! IS! AWESOME!

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Got my first four of a kind the other night. It's funny how you feel really proud of yourself for getting a great hand by pure chance.

― chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

All skill, baby!

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Nice going :)

Here's the good hands I've received in the last 23k hands, apropos of chap's post:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/biondino/hands.jpg

Cahp, where do you play? How long's it been? I haven't seen you on this thread before, I don't think?

― Earwig oh! (Mark C), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I just have a weekly game with some friends which has been going on for about a year. Haven't ventured on to online poker yet as I am scared of losing all my money. I posted on this thread once before, I think.

― chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Is the site providing that breakdown for you, Mark? Or do you have some fancy tool @ yr disposal, like SharkScope.com?

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

(x-post) Ah cool. Assuming you didn't lose your money, do you think you'd be interested in playing online? It can be quite a time sink but it's a great hobby, and I'm by no means great (and I play at very low levels) but I've now got about £2,800 I didn't have at the start of last year.

David - the stats are from Poker Tracker - it's an essential (I think) tool for keeping in touch with your stats and those of your opponents. I can't tell you how valuable it is to know that the guy to your left is playing 45% of hands and raising half of them, for example.

― Earwig oh! (Mark C), Saturday, 12 August 2006 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I would be interested in theory (not right at the moment though, cash flow problems), though I think my most valuable asset in the game is that I have a pretty good poker face, which wouldn't be much good online. Also, I enjoy the socializing as much as the game itself. Might be fun to practice loads on the internet and trounce my friends, though.

― chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Saturday, 12 August 2006 15:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Hehe yeah, that would be good. Or we could just talk tactics - what kind of style do you use? Most live games tend to be too loose/passive, so tight/aggressive tends to pwn them.

― Earwig oh! (Mark C), Saturday, 12 August 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Gah. Played 800 hands this afternoon and lost £30. That's not how it's supposed to happen. Made some brilliant reads, called all-ins ahead and lost on about 4 occasions. I did, however, luck out massively with this one. The guy I beat took it very well :)

Game #2157608863: Hold'em NL (£0.15/£0.25) - 2006/08/12 - 13:38:06 (ET)
Table "Saz" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: pumbar (£18.75 in chips)
Seat 2: Bigpete12 (£26.15 in chips)
Seat 3: sheridga (£28.90 in chips)
Seat 4: Willym (£15 in chips)
Seat 5: FlopAbit (£13.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Zerbombt (£30.01 in chips)
Bigpete12: posts small blind £0.15
sheridga: posts big blind £0.25
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Zerbombt [Qs Ac]
Willym: folds
FlopAbit: folds
Zerbombt: raises to £1
pumbar: folds
Bigpete12: calls £0.85
sheridga: calls £0.75
----- FLOP ----- [Qd 6s 3c]
Bigpete12: checks
sheridga: bets £1
Zerbombt: raises to £2.75
Bigpete12: folds
sheridga: raises to £10
Zerbombt: raises to £29.01 and is all-in
sheridga: is all-in £17.90
Returned uncalled bets £1.11 to Zerbombt
----- TURN ----- [Qd 6s 3c][Qc]
----- RIVER ----- [Qd 6s 3c Qc][Ad]
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Zerbombt: shows [Qs Ac] (A Full House, Queens full of Aces)
sheridga: shows [3h 3s] (A Full House, Threes full of Queens)
Zerbombt collects £55.90 from Main pot

― Earwig oh! (Mark C), Saturday, 12 August 2006 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Joe, you intrigued enough to give online a go yet? I'd be happy to discuss where you could play, what games and stakes etc. Some sites give free money to start; others give bonuses which you receive after playing a certain number of hands (and further bonuses as you continue playing). I've managed to rack up the best part of £800 in bonuses and rakeback alone, which comes on top of winnings (or mitigates losses :)).

― Earwig oh! (Mark C), Saturday, 12 August 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link


Seat 1: amele ($25 in chips)
Seat 2: Micky7763 ($4.50 in chips)
Seat 3: elthomas001 ($1.10 in chips)
Seat 4: kenjuggle [7H,7C] ($27.50 in chips)
Seat 5: v4ImmBa ($27.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Deported ($8.20 in chips)
Seat 7: Richie B ($30.60 in chips)
Seat 8: JBlooms ($18.65 in chips)
Seat 9: despo75 ($21.45 in chips)
Seat 10: DME9 ($20.60 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
elthomas001 posts blind ($0.25), kenjuggle posts blind ($0.25), Deported posts blind ($0.25), amele posts blind ($0.25).PRE-FLOP
v4ImmBa folds, Deported checks, Richie B calls $0.25, JBlooms calls $0.25, despo75 folds, DME9 calls $0.25, amele checks, Micky7763 folds, elthomas001 checks, kenjuggle checks.
FLOP [board cards 8H,6S,7D ]
elthomas001 checks, kenjuggle bets $0.30, Deported calls $0.30, Richie B calls $0.30, JBlooms bets $3.25, DME9 calls $3.25, amele folds, elthomas001 folds, kenjuggle calls $2.95, Deported calls $2.95, Richie B calls $2.95.
TURN [board cards 8H,6S,7D,JD ]
kenjuggle checks, Deported bets $0.25, Richie B calls $0.25, JBlooms bets $15.15 and is all-in, DME9 folds, kenjuggle calls $15.15, Deported folds, Richie B calls $14.90.
RIVER [board cards 8H,6S,7D,JD,JH ]
kenjuggle bets $8.85 and is all-in, Richie B folds.
SHOWDOWN
kenjuggle shows [ 7H,7C ]
JBlooms shows [ 5D,4D ]
kenjuggle wins $8.85, kenjuggle wins $63.20.
SUMMARY
Dealer: Micky7763
Pot: $72.55, (including rake: $0.50)
amele, loses $0.25
Micky7763, loses $0
elthomas001, loses $0.25
kenjuggle, bets $27.50, collects $72.05, net $44.55
v4ImmBa, loses $0
Deported, loses $3.75
Richie B, loses $18.65
JBlooms, loses $18.65
despo75, loses $0
DME9, loses $3.50

― ken c (ken c), Saturday, 12 August 2006 23:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I want to play with you guys, but I can't.. legally.

Washington passed a ban on online gambling for all state citizens. I'm not kidding.

I guess I need to cash in my money somehow. :/

― wrapped up like a DOUche in the middle of the NUT (donut), Sunday, 13 August 2006 01:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Aw d-nut, that sucks a lot. On the other hand, no-one is actually getting prosecuted for it, I don't think? An d see it this way - if you DO get done you can be the test case which destroys their stupid law and imposes ~~obligatory gambling~~ freedom for all Americans!!

Here's a hand for y'all. Read: guy was strong, aggressive, maybe a bit overly so. Likes re-raising and betting big, but has a very good grasp of the game. Bear in mind it's 6max, too.

***** Hand History for Game 4938540012 *****
$50 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, August 13, 04:59:49 ET 2006
Table Table 107985 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: honeychook ( $49.93 )
Seat 4: Zerbombt ( $41.06 )
Seat 6: davidstb ( $15.46 )
Seat 5: stu2472 ( $48.70 )
Seat 2: russell77772 ( $23.15 )
Seat 1: ClemsonTGR5 ( $49.50 )
Zerbombt posts small blind [$0.25].
stu2472 posts big blind [$0.50].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Zerbombt [ 7s Ks ]
davidstb folds.
ClemsonTGR5 folds.
russell77772 folds.
honeychook calls [$0.50].
Zerbombt calls [$0.25].
stu2472 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Tc, 8d, 6d ]
Zerbombt bets [$1].
stu2472 folds.
honeychook raises [$2].
Zerbombt calls [$1].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
Zerbombt bets [$3].
honeychook raises [$6].
Zerbombt raises [$11.16].
honeychook calls [$8.16].
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
Zerbombt is all-In.

Thoughts?

― Earwig oh! (Mark C), Sunday, 13 August 2006 09:03 (seventeen years ago) link

just back from playing Carribean blind on the tables at Monte Carlo. very James Bond, one to tick off on the 'before i die' list.

my esteemed mentor tells me that the blind play is the smart choice. the probability of the dealer qualifying is 2/5 hands over all so you're likely to pick up a touch on the ante. it's bread and butter wins of course but the house HATES this type of play - it really irritates them. jolly amusing wot.

― beeble (beeble), Sunday, 13 August 2006 09:42 (seventeen years ago) link

A transcription of a conversation held in the chat box of a $5 tournament, with an explanatory link added, as well as minor stage directions.

Hey SennaS
yeah
is that ur last name?
nah its for A Senna I'm a big fan
oh
*extended pause in conversation*
he's dead
yeah
very
*extended pause in conversation*
i named my son after him... so he lives on...
just dont let him take any sharp bends :)
it's ok... he's blind...

― g00blar (gooblar), Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Doh! Ignore that post. Here it is again, properly:

[Scotty990] Hey SennaS
[SennaS] yeah
[Scotty990] is that ur last name?
[SennaS] nah its for A Senna I'm a big fan
[Scotty990] oh
*extended pause in conversation*
[SennaS] he's dead
[Scotty990] yeah
[SennaS] very
*extended pause in conversation*
[SennaS] i named my son after him... so he lives on...
[Scotty990] just dont let him take any sharp bends :)
[SennaS] it's ok... he's blind...

― g00blar (gooblar), Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

I love that post gooblar :)

Update time y'all!

I have started playing mostly £50NL (roughly equivalent financially to $100NL, though I am pretty sure $100 is trickier) and am owning it so far, which is nice since my last experiment at moving up cost me a little over $800.

Since I moved sites at the start of September I have managed to make almost $2,000 which is EASILY my most successful period - it's probably taken me 12k or so hands to do it.

I am playing almost exclusively 6max cash games nowadays with the occasional SNG (and the very occasional MTT) thrown in for fun. I get in maybe 12-15 hours play a week 3- or 4-tabling.

If anyone is interested I have a poker blog on the excellent Flopturnriver.com. Say hi if you get a chance to read it.

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:01 (seventeen years ago) link

My country has decided to do some banny-banning on online poker fun (booo), so I'm taking a temporary siesta until either A) the ban is lifted or B) I feel like spitting in the face of some G-men. Sucks, too - this year, I've made a NICE chunk of change (which I just spent on a new TV & some bedroom furniture).

If you go to PokerShark.com (or whatever that tourney-tracking site is) and search for 'sinnermann' on the PokerRoom network, you can bask in my awesomeness.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

judging from yr blog the £50 refers to the min buy in, no? what's that £.50/£1? i was gonna say £25/£50 - that's a serious game dude! anyway well done regardless.

i played 3 $24+2 multi's in the last few days, came in 14th in one with 600+ and 12th in a 500+. won like a hundred in each - so annoyingly close to the real money (and in the second one i was in 1st w/25 to go). won $900 for fourth a couple weeks ago. used to be more into s&g's but i'm getting my multi game together now. which makes a lot of sense since i've actually won way more from multi's, even though i've played them less.

in the one i didn't cash i got wounded early (and knocked out soon after) when i limped w/aces from 1st position and one of the many callers caught a boat on the flop. of course then the chat window lights up with that's why you don't slow play aces - yeah - u suck - (various simple minded treatises on poker strategy follow) and i'm all because someone catches a boat every time? i try not to be annoyed at these dumbasses, but gdamn!

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:40 (seventeen years ago) link

david - netteller deposits to fulltilt still work fine - and i'm sure many other setups do to. also the ban is on us banks making transfers to gambling sites - so ur not actually culpable.

also those pokershark stats - totally not accurate. or maybe they just don't go back v far or something.

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I like MTT's a LOT more than S&Gs. I like the narrative flow & shit. Also, I get some sort of perverse thrill seeing some idiot donk catch all his hands early on, and then lose all his chips trying that same shit right before the bubble. The fact that I've had a ridiculous run of luck (or skill) in them of late might have something to do w/ it, tho.

Yeah, I don't know how far back PokerShark goes, but my stats are pretty accurate (except for one or two rebuy MTTs - they only track the initial buyin). Of course, I've only been 'sinnermann' for a few months, so that's probably why.

Hey, I use Neteller, too! So that means that doing the bank-to-Neteller-to-site handjive is still legal?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:48 (seventeen years ago) link

jhoshea OTM. And yes, bank-to-Neteller is still fine. David, you can play at any of the sites who are still accepting US players - Pokerstars (though I am not a fan) now has the biggest userbase in history, with 105,000 players online the other night! It is possible that, after the 270-day period during which the lawmakers set up the rules which will govern the new legislation, playing online might become much trickier, but until then (i.e. until July 2007) you can play to your heart's content at Stars, Full Tilt (where I have recently signed up - say hello if you come across SandInMyVagina) and several of the smaller sites.

Whatever you do, though, be CERTAIN to make sure you get rakeback before you sign up. Email me if you want to be shown how (Stars don't offer rakeback but Full Tilt and most of the other sites do).

Personally, I prefer playing at the sites which offer £ tables as I think they're better value, and Sun Poker (my current main site - I am Zerbombt there) has the lovely Cryptologic bonus structure that I used to praise at Interpoker, who changed their requirements, boo.

Oh - and £50NL means £0.25/£0.50 blinds, so pretty low level. it's roughly equivalent to $0.50/$1.

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:51 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i deposited the full $600 when i signed up for fulltilt and $20 bonuses are still popping up every so often (although i think my time's about to run out).

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i haven't bothered for a while cos of summer and the funness of outdoors.

might play again soon though. um, and when i get my credit card back from the bank. although i still have a load of money in pokerroom.

xxxxpost haha i thought mark meant £50 bb too!!

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Ken, you should get a Neteller account if you don't have one already - very easy to set up (though it does take a few days) and makes transfer totally easy.

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:10 (seventeen years ago) link

neteller will still need my credit card somehow though right? or do they do some scary direct debit thing?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Scary direct debit ahoy!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i haven't deposited since the new law but i've heard that netteller is more expensive than the no longer working firepay - which kinda sux. i wonder if there's a cheaper option?

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm sure it was free when i just used my credit card?

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Neteller transfers to and from Poker sites are free, and cost me the grand total of £1 (or $1) when I cashed £1,500 back into my bank account.

My understanding is that Neteller is a good deal cheaper than firepay. Check their website for details.

The problem with using credit cards is that you have to withdraw onto the credit card, at least a certain proportion of your winnings. Of course this doesn't need to be a problem, it's up to you. Americans of course can't use their credit cards on poker sites because the card providers don't allow payments to gambling businesses.

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Is there an extant poker site with a Java client that'll accept US players? That was always the thing I liked best about Pacific (which was otherwise way too fishy) - the ability to pad my bankroll when I was bored at work.

Likewise, if you're using a Mac, you're pretty much limited to Full Tilt at this point, right?

― govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Canbet seems to be a US-friendly site with Java - it's on Boss so no Pokertracker support but lots of nice fish.

But yeah, I'd def go with Full Tilt if I had a Mac - they're pretty much the no. 2 after Stars now, they have the most impressive celeb affiliations (good for attracting fish - why don't you like fish, btw?), and they're the fastest-growing site I believe.

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

guess i heard wrong abt netteller.

fulltilt has my endorsement: 9 handed tables, good blind structures, nice feel, funny avatars. being a mac user i've only ever played @ pokerroom and pacific, which are both wicked retarded.

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

But but you WANT to play against bad players, right?

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah of course - i wasn't saying the players of the other sites were more retarded - just that the setups up those sites sucked (10 handed tables, no antes in later tourney stages etc). i have a hard time believing there's too much variation in fish content between sites, seems like it would be self-correcting.

(not sure if you were actually taking to me)

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, I was talking to you :)

I used to prefer 10-handed to 9-handed and I still do in SNGs - the way I see it (because I see myself as one of the better players at the table) is that the 10th man will be a net donator to my prize pool and therefore I want him in.

But in cash games I am pretty much totally converted to 6max. Same winrate - actually I'm running better at 6max - but 50% more hands - it's easy to see how much more profitable it is. Also, you actually play more poker, which is more fun and much more educational - it's not the nut-camping grind you get at 9- and 10-handed tables.

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I love taking money from fish, and two or three per table (which there always seemed to be in every $10 buy-in Pacific sit-and-go, which was an incredibly reliable way to make money) are always good for everybody, but I can only deal with so high of a flop percentage before I start going insane.

I had a couple of almost unbelievably bad beats on Pacific before the ban; the worst was losing with AA (and trips on the A-8-2 flop!) to 7-2 offsuit, when some genius decided to call my pre-flop raise and my post-flop raise with his pair of twos and got 7-2 on the turn and river. There's just no accounting for people like that.

― govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, I'm remembering that wrong, since under that scenario I would have won. Regardless, I lost with AA to something totally fucking ridiculous, and I guess you can chalk up my faulty memory to PTSS or something.

― govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I am on Full Tilt! Literally! Because I had my AK and KK "broken" by the same guy w/ AA! Yay bad luck!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 October 2006 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

And again! Awesome!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 October 2006 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Hi dere,

I was off sick yesterday and played a little bit of poker and managed to fluke my best day ever! Up $440 or so in under 600 hands, thanks to an SNG win and some good times at $50 and £50NL 6max.

Highlight was hitting the nut straight on the turn and pushing all-in over a guy re-raising with a set - hello $280 pot! What might have been the highlight, but for a tremendous laydown on the villain's part, was my last hand - AA, hit a set on the turn (which also brought three to the flush), bet 3/4 of what was already a massive pot and a guy with a lower (flopped) set managed to find a fold. Considering we both had 3 x buyins at this point, I was looking at a $570 pot if he'd been a tiny bit braver/more foolhardy.

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 13:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I am down $360 since joining FullTilt. THANKS MARK.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

But you got rakeback, right? Please tell me you have rakeback? I made $222 in Otcober through rakeback alone. Which was nice.

p.s. why does my firefox no longer recognise the poundsign? Do I have to start writing GBP from now on?

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I have rakeback, yeah, but I think the sign-in bonus I'm working on is deducting from the rakeback.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

David and I went to Foxwoods Sunday. The $1/$2 NL tables there are really an experience; I never thought I'd see top pair take down a gigantic pot with multiple 20xBB pre-flop calls, but it happened at least a dozen times.

Lowlight: QQ against Bluffin' Grandma, a genuinely terrible player who's gone all-in with garbage twice in the past five minutes and donked away about $300 in a half-hour. I raised to $12 pre-flop, three callers, check-raise to $20 post-flop (7-4-2, two diamonds), and everybody folds but Grandma, who immediately goes all-in on the Kc turn. No way she's got that king - I'm thinking A7d at best - so I call her, scare card be damned. Turns out Grandma's been slow-playing aces, and I wave goodbye to a day's work.

I'll let David tell the story of how he got his kings cracked, which is one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen in a poker game.

― govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, you mean the KK I raise to $20-25, got one caller (from a kinda loose, kinda shitty, very large-stacked player that was catching lots of cards after catching nothing), and played all in on a 235 two-to-the-flush flop? And she turns over A4 offsuit? Yeah, I took a walk after that.

The Rest Of The Story: after Daniel & I lick our wounds @ the buffet, we both decide to give it another go. This was around 6:30 - 7 PM. I cash in the remaining $200 I earmarked as Fun Money, & sit down @ another table. Dan & his buddy stop by a few hours later (where I hear about the QQ story), and I'm down another $100+, making my losses on the day a little more than $400. This included some shitwit chasing a flush & gutshot straight w/ (I think) A4 suited, despite me doing my best to bet him out. And said dude, of course, catches the STRAIGHT FLUSH on the river.

By the time I left (@ 5 AM), I was up $450. Doi. I actually blogged about it in a general-audience style (because what else am I gonna do after playing poker for 14 hours?), but the short of it: drunk Patriots fans that don't know when to bail out are the best guys to play against.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, I'm thinking that the shitwit was chasing the flush / straight w/ 35 or 25, because I had AJ, and I paired the A on the flop. And it wasn't even that the dude caught - he was playing footloose & fancy free all night. It was the fact that the dude acted like he had me over a barrel, when he actually only had 13 outs, and the river bailed his stupid ass out.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

there's a game in nyc on the 27th. yall should come, yo.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Yo, I'm there. Gives me a chance to lose the money I won this weekend against folks that aren't HOLY SHIT BRAH THE PATS WON.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

wish i had made the foxwoods trip. i haven't played casino poker in well over a year. just recently started playing at all again (up $2k so far this year).

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost -

I believe I'm thinking of another bad KK beat (which doesn't seem totally out of the question, given how badly the first few hours at that table went for you). The guy you faced up (and I remember it being somebody else across the table sitting in the Raving Maniac seat, not her) was playing A6s with two spades on the flop and caught his ace on the turn and then his spade on the river, effectively beating you twice. No idea why he called your raise in the first place.

NB: I oughta point out that for every time I couldn't fold top two pair against a totally obvious flush draw or called a $30 raise to chase an eight-outer, there was the time I beat aforementioned maniac on a nut flush or rode AK to megabucks against some meathead; I only finished down $150 for the day, which isn't a huge amount of money by any means. I just wish we didn't have to leave so early to drive back, since by the sounds of it, it got as loose after the Pats game as I figured it would.

Nice comeback, though that dude's AQ story is the fishiest thing ever.

I'll see what I can do about the NYC game. We should definitely put together a bigger Foxwoods group next time.

― govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, yeah, THAT KK beat. That was against Ye Olde Manne what couldn't be bothered to pay attention half the time, and folding more often than not, suddenly having his Viagkra kick in after getting AT (I think) suited, and flopping 2 more suited cards (no pair) and calling my $60-70ish AI, then, yeah, beating me two times.

Folks love them flush draws, especially if they have an A, regardless of how shit the kicker is. Folks just love playing hands, really - whether it has something to do w/ the mystique of the World Series & wanting to be the devil-may-care 37 maverick, or just wanting to gamble, it seems like a lot of folks just like throwing their shit around @ the lower stakes tables. I'd probably cry & piss myself if I sat down @ a high stakes table right now.

And, to be fair, DC, my streak happened around 2 AM, so it was well after the Pats game. Right after last call, I think. COINCIDENCE?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey everyone,

More tales like the above please! It makes online poker look like the glorified masturbation it really is.

But... it's glorified masturbation that's made me $10,000!! I did my sums the other night and worked out that between bonuses, rakeback and poker profits, Sunday night's play took me into 5 figure winnings. Man that felt good :)

I guess I owe Chris V ~~half my winnings~~ a hearty vote of thanks for getting me started - if he hadn't posted the opening post to this very thread I might never have given it a go :)

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I gotta give this a go. Only played no-money lunchtime games so I'm not expecting to rake it in but should be fun to try out. Where should I start - sites, games, etc?

― ledge (ledge), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I gotta give this a go. Only played no-money lunchtime games so I'm not expecting to rake it in but should be fun to try out. Where should I start - sites, games, etc?

Seconding this request.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Tom, Chris - add me to your buddy lists on AIM (markelby) or MSN (boyincorduroy@yahoo.c o m) any time. I'm probably not in tonight, or at least not till after 11pm GMT, but I have AIM on during the work day too. Or you could just email me.

First thing you can do - register with Partypoker.com or pokerstars.com and start playing the play money games and reading the small tutorials if they'd be useful. The games'll be silly but you'll get a hang of the interface etc. If you sign up for Pokerstars (currently the biggest, most highly regarded site) and there's somewhere you can say that someone referred you, please tell them efil4elbmow sent you :)

If you can afford $50 or so, then deposit that and play the lowest buyin real money games - $0.01/$0.02 no-limit at Stars (double at Party), where it'd be hard to lose more than $10 even if you played blindfolded. It's a lot better than the play money tables because even when such tiny sums are at stake, people care about the outcome - when the chips are pretend, they could just push with every hand.

Anyway - AIM/MSN me when I'm next on and we can chat more. I have LOTS of stuff to tell you!

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Final post of the day - I'm going to go through this thread, find the names of everyone who expressed an interest - might be as many as 20 people, most of whom still post here - and try and get another private game together. I might be able to set up a private tourney which would be rad, as long as enough people are interested. And anyone who hasn't posted to this thread before but might be intrigued - just say hi!

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

God damn - I posted a SLEW of crap, and some brainfart in the ILX hivemind ate the post & told me I typed NOTHING. Grrrrrrrrr.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Online, only a few sites are allowing US players to play for cash money (THANK YOU MR. BUSH) - FullTiltPoker is one of them, & it's the dealer of choice for both me & Mr. C0h3n. They offer both pay & play games, sit-down cash games and tournaments, o

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

HAY THERE IT IS

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd be in for an online game!

― Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm definitely interested in an ilxor game, but bear in mind that US players' options are really limited right now, due to anti-gambling legislation. (xpost- what David said)

http://www.flopturnriver.com/US-Friendly-Poker-Rooms.php

It might be wise to cross-reference with this list, and also to consider that Full Tilt is basically the only solution for US Mac users at this point; Bodog stopped development of their Mac client last month, and Pokerroom no longer accepts US bets.

― govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, sorry I forgot about the new US issues. Full Tilt it is then, though if anyone who hasn't signed up there is serious about playing a decent amount in the future, then you should go to rakerebate.net and follow their signup instructions. This will save you 27% of the rake you'd otherwise be paying - and when you bear in mind my rake this month alone is already $397, it could form a significant part of your winnings.

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha - my post lost to the ether suggested RakeTheRake for FTP, which also offers 27%. I had 30% from Hollywood Poker, but, alas, they're part of the PokerRoom network, which hates fun & America.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, I also use RaketheRake and they're very good. 27% is the most you can get with Full Tilt, apparently.

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Update time! What are your February goals? How was January?

I had a pretty decent Jan - made about $1500 or so, played 11k hands of cash and maybe a dozen SNGs - and a couple of MTTs which both ended with bad beats a few dozen hands outside the money. I am still playing mostly £50NL 6max, but am getting frustrated with the lack of tables - even at peak times at Crypto there are maybe only a dozen, and I don't know of any other sites - apart from the Boss network which I am loathe to use as it doesn't support Poker Tracker - that provide £ tables.

The reason I am so keen to play in sterling is because I am an overall loser at $100NL but am making 10PTBB/100 at £50 which is very pleasing indeed. The game is simply far easier.

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:02 (seventeen years ago) link

In total I think I'm about $5 down after 5 hours total play on the minnow tables. Yay!

Think I'm gonna have to put the poker ambitions on hold for a little while, feeling too stressed/depressed about job/career/life changing plans to devote any energy towards it. May buy a book and do some offline studying.

― ledge (ledge), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link

OKAY NYC FOLKS: THIS SATURDAY. LET'S PLAY.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 5 February 2007 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link

i played online poker while watching louis theroux in las vegas the other night. it was tops. i pwn3d a bunch of losers on the money table for like $30 and then battled my way through one of those cheapo $5 buy in 10player tournaments and won another $25.

small fish though really. but it made me feel better esp seeing all the addicts on l.t. losing $$$$$$$$$$$$$$s.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 February 2007 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I watched that too - bizarrely I was just about to start a thread on it (to talk less about the programme and more about the much-noticed similarity between Louis and ILX's very own Jel) but I didn't know where to put it.

I also played poker during it but, after 600 grinding, tedious, painful hands I finished down £35 (though rb and bonus makes it about breakeven). Man I've seldom enjoyed poker so little - but in comparison to all these astonishingly self-deluded idiots (the Roberto Baggio/Toadfish out of Neighbours fellow in particular) I felt like I had a money-printing machine in front of me.

― === temporary username === (Mark C), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...

Serendipitous juxtaposition on me table tonight (I am SRSLY):

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/biondino/orlysrsly.jpg

― Mark C, Thursday, 29 March 2007 23:58 (seventeen years ago) link

How's everyone getting on? I am in the biggest (in terms of number of hands played) downswing of my career - 9 buyins down, approximately, though fingers crossed, I seem to be levelling off. I have also moved up, for the most part, to 6max $100NL as my main game, which is tricky and swingy but I feel I am actually progressing - a good session tonight, in terms of gameplay if not profit.

― Mark C, Friday, 30 March 2007 00:00 (seventeen years ago) link

have you guys been on PKR.COM yet????? looks well good from the adverts..

― ken c, Friday, 30 March 2007 07:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I signed up for it when it was in beta but it was SO slow I gave up. Also, it's all very well you can laugh, stretch, scratch your balls etc. but isn't all that a bit of a distraction from the game? Maybe if it distracts your opponents then it's all good.

Tell us more, anyway, Ken - it might be unrecognisable from when I last had a go.

― Mark C, Friday, 30 March 2007 11:10 (seventeen years ago) link

i haven't had a go yet - i saw the flashy advert and downloaded it but haven't yet signed up.

it might be good as an added extra to play mind games with opponents like be cocky and that. and also, perhaps because it's so fancy pansy that the kind of people it will attract are gonna be gullible n00bs i.e. easy money!

― ken c, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I playing a proper person table game tommorow, which will be nice i gave up for a few months got sick of coming fourth in tournaments

― secondhandnews, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:52 (seventeen years ago) link

David and I went back to Foxwoods a few weeks ago. There was a ton of easy money at our table for the first three or four hours (inc. one tweaky guy between me and Dave who was absolutely bleeding money - straddled every single time R4posa was BB, claimed to have been up for 48 hours, and I believed him), but I was running so card-dead that I couldn't get at any of it; I played well, didn't chase with any of a million mediocre drawing hands, and managed to bluff my way +$80 or so when we broke to eat dinner.

Afterwards, it got a little disastrous - I limped in with pocket threes from UTG+1, three other callers. For some reason, after the 7h7c2h flop, I decided to sell a bluff flush draw the entire way. Turn card was a low heart, I bet big, everybody folded but UTG (super loose/passive, and a little drunk), who called. River was another low heart, UTG checked, I made a pot-sized bet (by now knowing he might have had the flush, but no way he had the nut), UTG called and turned over 8h7s for the eight-high flush. I ran into the guy later, and he said he was "pissed off" that his flopped trip sevens would have lost to a flush draw. 8-7 offsuit from UTG?!

Of course I didn't have anything, but I have no idea what he could have possibly put me on. I asked him afterwards what I could have bet on the river to make him lay it down, and he said he was prepared to go all-in. He didn't seem to be kidding. Calling a $150 river bet with four hearts on the board and eight-high?

I managed to make up what I lost there and a little more playing a bunch of Omaha on Full Tilt; I'm sinking most of <i>that</i> into bracelet races and WSOP super-satellites as we speak. Running about even for the year, but planning on driving back down to Foxwoods on April 15. Are we ever going to get an ilxor game together? I'm not sure exactly how to set up a private SnG on Full Tilt, but I'm totally up for playing in one. (Possible cash game option: figure out how many players are in, agree upon a limit and variation, find an empty table, and all sit down at an agreed-upon time?)

― govern yourself accordingly, Saturday, 31 March 2007 04:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey govern, what was your old-ilx name? I am having real problems keeping up with who's who now.

I was off work yesterday and played 1,500 hands of $100NL. OMG swingy - I was down $300 before I could breath, but managed to calw my way back to +$110. Man that felt good :)

Here's a linky for y'all - I am charting my progress, throwing in a few stats and hands, on this thread on Flopturnriver.com (which srsly you should all join, it's ace), so go have a look and make a comment :)

― Mark C, Saturday, 31 March 2007 10:32 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.lolrider.com/shutupanddeal.jpg

― ken c, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 10:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Brilliant poker book = Positively 5th Street by James McManus. Beautifully written, fascinating and involving.

― Mark C, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 11:02 (seventeen years ago) link

i don't think any book can be more beautiful than one written by Jesse May

― ken c, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 11:07 (seventeen years ago) link

What do you know, $25NL donk >:[

― Mark C, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

the mcmanus book is awful! he is such a dolt. the much better mcmanus piece was the original harpers one that p5s takes off of. seriously, so so so so so much better.

i could conceivably be down for foxwoods on the 15th. i haven't played in at least two months.

― YGS, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:53 (seventeen years ago) link

also, us poker peoples, what can i use to deposit money now online? and which sites allow us players?

― YGS, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I doubt y'all watch much WSOP on ESPN, but I think there was some kerfuffle a few years back involving McManus and some dude that looked like the dad of Bubbles from The Wire, w/ McM taking serious umbrage @ Bubs Sr. doing something gauche (checking in the dark or something), & not shutting up about it because That's Not How You Play Poker.

FullTilt still allows US folks, & they have a list of places you can use to transfer money. However, from what I gather, most of these places hit you up w/ serious fees.

― David R., Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:57 (seventeen years ago) link

It's not awful! It really isn't! Each to his own, mind :)

Yancey (it is Yancey right?) - here's a handy link to US-friendly sites. As for depositing, EPassporte seems to be the best option (though unlike Neteller, it's not free to make transfers), though you can also use things like pre-paid visa cards, some debit cards and then there's workaround methods like having foreigners transfer the money to you (works on sites like FT and Stars, not sure about others).

Remember to either get rakeback sorted (through sites like Rake the Rake or [url=[Removed Illegal Link], both of which I use), or confirm that rakeback isn't possible, before signing up for new sites. Stars doesn't offer rb but Full Tilt does and I think Absolute and UB (which I hear may be merging) do too, and several of the smaller sites still open to US players definitely do. Email me if you want more info etc.

If you have Neteller, then I'd be happy to do a transfer to you direct on a site if you Neteller me the cash. Again, email if you'd be interested.

― Mark C, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Second rb site was http://www.rakerebate.net

― Mark C, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...

Update time please! How was April for you? Here's muh graph:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/biondino/April2007.jpg

$100nl is hard. Not impossible hard, but you really need to keep your wits about you. One tilting session can decimate a month's profits; scared play will just see you bleed chips. God knows how higher stakes players don't go crazy.

― Mark C, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:25 (sixteen years ago) link

what are the blinds for $100nl?

i lost $75 in one bet the other day.. it was great.

― ken c, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:39 (sixteen years ago) link

$0.50/$1.00, max buyin $100. It's hardly high stakes but it's plenty high enough for me!

The best thing about $100nl is that you clear bonuses, and earn rakeback, relatively quickly. I made about $1,000 last month, and almost two thirds of that was bonus/rb.

― Mark C, Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:42 (sixteen years ago) link

US Online Poker RIP ;_;

(well, not really, but since Neteller went pussmo, I'll be fucked if I'm paying a "handling fee" to have the pleasure of getting donked online.)

― David R., Thursday, 3 May 2007 14:53 (sixteen years ago) link

oh that'll be why then. i was on what must be $200NL haha when i lost that $75.

― ken c, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link

If you wanna play in the US, use 10veth4tp0k3r.com -- de-1337ed of course. i'm scrambling the name cos I don't want to get googled because I actually work for this site (full disclosure for the win) and I don't wnat my bosses know where I waste all my time even though they already know because they must be able to see logs or something.

anyway the business model is a subscription-based thing so you don't "add" money so much as you get a daily allowance for a monthly fee. and you cna win money and such. except we're brand new and since we have more investors than sense, it's free for the next couple of months. i know it sounds like a scam, but seriously, there are dudes playing who have just... taken 1000 bux. and not paid anything. plus there are only like... i dunno, let's say 20 to 30 regulars now, so your chances are pretty good.

fyi, i am not trying to advertise. i took a really long time to even decide if i wanted to post this due to the fact that i don't have a neutral point of view (employee and all). but if you'rei n the US and wanna win money... there's that. I guess to be more neutral, i can mention another site that doing it (our competition): b3tz1p.com (de-1337 as well). Believe me if I were trying to advertise I would have posted a real link with a source ID or something... ugh I feel like a heel now.

― Will M., Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Shit, I just remembered... are there such things as, like, online poker blogs? Where people talk about the sites and stuff, and not just post the transcripts of hands they won? (There are a fucking lot of the latter and I don't see how they're interesting in ANY way)

― Will M., Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:36 (sixteen years ago) link

ask mark ;)

― ken c, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:39 (sixteen years ago) link

(just kidding ;))

― ken c, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Ken wtf are you doing playing $200nl? You know you need at least $5k in your bankroll to justifiably play those stakes, right?

Will, can I drop you an email to discuss your post further?

Online poker blogs - yes, there are. I like Rizen's - he's a high-stakes cash player and MTT genius who came deep in the money in the last WSOP main event, but he's also a really bright, decent guy who writes well.

Or, he says blushing, you can look at my blog and my operation thread over at my favourite poker forum, Flopturnriver.com. I haven't updated the blog while I've been doing my operation thread, but it's got some okay content, I hope. I'd love to know what you think!

― Mark C, Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah Mark, please hit me with an e-mail :) magacid at gmail, I can give you more info.

― Will M., Thursday, 3 May 2007 15:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Don't let this wonderful thread disappear just yet, you guys

― Mark C, Thursday, 3 May 2007 16:47 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

I am loving PKR.com! haha, like, i was sceptical at first, but, after the first time you make CHICKEN NOISES at people, you fall in love with it.

oh my god.

the only thing is you need a pretty decent computer for it to work.. my laptop can just about run it on the min spec settings.

― ken c, Monday, 28 May 2007 06:32 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, I tried it and it was just ridiculously slow. Haven't played it for a while, so they may have ironed out the issues. Have you actually played real money there?

Having a pretty crappy May - am only in the black thanks to bonus and rakeback. $100NL isn't kicking my arse as such, but it's not letting me get a foothold either. Still trying though...

― Mark C, Monday, 28 May 2007 11:07 (sixteen years ago) link

i've just played STTs there so far!

― ken c, Monday, 28 May 2007 11:09 (sixteen years ago) link

but with real money

― ken c, Monday, 28 May 2007 11:09 (sixteen years ago) link

Finished May $100 down on the tables, but $450 up in rakeback and bonus terms. Oh! Just checked my stats and actually I finished UP about $45. Not sure how that happened. Played less than 10,000 hands for the first time this year, but that's okay.

Here's May's graph. Enjoy the mid-month downswing...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/biondino/May2007.jpg

― Mark C, Sunday, 3 June 2007 13:00 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

I think Ken might have an update for us?

― Mark C, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 00:15 (sixteen years ago) link

My update (after I started playing again, just in time for the anti-poker legislation to kick in):

- I suck
- I get angry way too easily, and I start sucking as a result
- I should not play when I'm tired, because I get angry
- people suck, and should not be allowed to play poker against me
- STOP CATCHING ACES

― David R., Tuesday, 3 July 2007 00:22 (sixteen years ago) link

i just won £1000 at some crazy rebuy tournament thing! omg, dudes on TV were there! and they all got pwn3d!

played pretty damn tight at the rebuy stage.. probably strange tactics, but it somehow worked, and won a bunch of chips when i had a hand and guys were playing loose. and with that money somehow survived the endgame and was in the money. amazing.

then it was mental, everyone were on the brink of going out, but doubles through when they go all in, and it went on til like half past midnight and then we got to the end of the highest blinds and we were going to play 3 last hands, with 4 of us left, but when we played the first hand one player went out we were all pretty much even with 2 hands to play, so we just split the money.

amazing. i didn't rebuy at all (but bought an add-on)!

― ken c, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 00:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Hi Dave!

My update: $1000 profit in June, mainly thanks to bonus/rakeback. Not sure what to do in July, what targets to aim for.

Nice work, Ken :)

― Mark C, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 00:38 (sixteen years ago) link

did you know all of those people there mark? some of them looked famous

― ken c, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 00:45 (sixteen years ago) link

I've eaten through $600+ this month, of my money & of bonus deposit money (just like I did the first few months of my online back a few years ago), and it's all I can do to slap myself. Most of that was @ ring tables, tho, which I'm avoiding like the plague (just like I did when hit rock bottom after starting off) - sticking to sit-n-gos of the $10 / $20 persuasion, & some regular old tourneys, until I get back on my feet. Then I will move to Monte Carlo, oil my chest hair, and get buck wild.

That is, until the preznit decides to cap my ass.

Congrats, BTW, Ken! Winning in a rebuy w/out rebuying is the best feeling ever.

― David R., Tuesday, 3 July 2007 00:47 (sixteen years ago) link

BTW, how awesome is it that foreign countries are pitching a fit @ the US online poker ban!

― David R., Tuesday, 3 July 2007 00:48 (sixteen years ago) link

it's harsh cos online poker is harder without america :((

― ken c, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 14:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Ken, no, I didn't know many of them, and the ones I did know were producers rather than actors/presenters etc (apart from the gregarious H4rd33p K0hl1 who I know a bit). Glad you had fun :)

― Mark C, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:13 (sixteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I joined a Sunday night game. Tonight will be my 3rd night with this group. Went home broke both previous nights.

But still I'm SO EXCITED about tonight. I love it. There is the bothersome issue of why did I lose all my money the past 2 times, but still I think it's just a matter of time before rise to the top of this field.

These dudes just play it straight. Period. It's funny, but this is actually a bit of a predicament. When you're on a table where you know everyone's playing straight (weak hands are folded, good hands stay in) what's the best strategy? I almost find it easier to play against more daring/colorful players b/c if you're good with reads/tells you can sniff out a bluff... With these guys there's nothing to read, a check is a check and a raise is a raise... hmmph.

― wanko ergo sum, Sunday, 22 July 2007 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Wanko, if they are playing it straight and tight, then you bet and raise more, both pre- and post-flop, with position being almost more important than cards. Bear in mind that most of their hands WON'T hit on the flop, so you can take down a lot of pots by betting, especially with position.

Equally, you know that when they do bet, or call your bets, you're going to need a good hand to showdown. So play very cautiously in these situations when you have draws or marginal hands, and make decent raises when you have strong hands, especially if they'll call down almost anything with top pair etc.

Play drawing hands in position, make regular semi-bluffs when they show weakness, and if they don't bet enough to take away your odds, you should win a few big pots.

― Mark C, Sunday, 22 July 2007 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Since this thread's back, here's a proposal for you. I am 14 FPPs away from being able to set up private tournaments at Pokerstars, and I want to do an ILX invitational for all the people who post on this thread or would like to play.

I have a list of 30 or so players who have posted to this thread, so I know there's plenty of possibles. The idea would be to have a nice cheap tourney - $5.50 or $11 I imagine - and just have a laugh.

I chose Stars because it's open to anyone in the world, and is the biggest site currently operating, so if you don't already have an account you can quickly and easily make one.

I was thinking of emailing people rather than posting on this thread, but I'll do that too :)

So, what do you think? Let me know if you'd be up for it!

― Mark C, Sunday, 22 July 2007 21:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Wanko, if you fancy chatting on messenger about poekr I'm always up for that - drop me an email.

― Mark C, Sunday, 22 July 2007 21:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Thanks, Mark. I haven't studied Hold 'em formally to any degree yet, and I really don't know about positions and those dynamics (I guess it's sort of apparent, but I haven't given much thought to it). I'm going to start reading up. ESPN doesn't go into much strategy.

Count me in for ILX tourney.

― wanko ergo sum, Sunday, 22 July 2007 21:34 (sixteen years ago) link

The way we play is big blind ($.50) -> little blind ($.25) -> dealer. (Player left of dealer is small, player to his left is big). I'd love to hear some position theory if you're so inclined.

― wanko ergo sum, Sunday, 22 July 2007 21:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, the essence of it is that the dealer has the best position as he is last to act on each street post-flop, and therefore sees what action each opponent takes before he has to make his own mind up. Often, the other players will simply check to him - they either have weak hands or are at least representing weak hands, and the player can simply bet at this point and take down a number of pots uncontested.

Also, because the player find out what bets his rivals are prepared to make before he acts, he will often find himself able to make correct calls (depending on pot odds and implied odds) when he has a drawing hand.

As a result, the player with position basically controls the hand. As a result, you can play many more hands profitably when you have position than when you're out of position. A hand like 67s (i.e. 6 and 7 suited, say both hearts) is an easy fold out of position, but can be raised or called when you have position for the reason above. These type of hands are my favourite; they're easy to fold when you don't hit and someone else shows strength; but when they do hit, they both hit strong hands (two pair, straight, or flush) and these hands are fairly well disguised.

Conversely, when you are out of position, such hands are much harder to play. This is because, while you'll hit monsters just as often (assuming you are able to stay in the hand), you'll have far fewer opportunities to get them as good players who DO have position will be betting into you much more often (and, of course, you are handicapped because whatever you do, there are still one or more players to act after you, any of whom may make a play that renders your hand no longer playable).

Out of position, also, your good (but not great) hands, like AJ or KQ, are much more vulnerable, because even if you hit top pair, you will have to act first, and if you get raised you have to wonder if the raiser has you dominated (with, say, AQ) or if they're just playing aggressively to induce you to fold the best hand. And, of course, if you don't hit then you have to decide whether a bluff - known as a continuation bet or cbet, because it "continues" your pre-flop raise - will get a fold or whether they'll call you, which leaves you in a really tough position, or raise you, which will mean you have to fold.

So position is absolutely vital - it's a truism that above a certain level of the game, it becomes more important than the cards you hold because it has such an effect on the hands you play and how you play them.

Just checking my stats.... I play 6-handed cash games primarily, and under the gun (the first person to act pre-flop) I put money into the pot 14% of the time, compared to on the button (i.e. when I am dealer) when I put money in 26% of the time.

― Mark C, Sunday, 22 July 2007 22:48 (sixteen years ago) link

What is the buyin in your game, and do you play fixed, pot or no limit? My post was specifically about no limit but it's pretty much the same for each form of the game. With 50c big blinds you should be playing with at an absolute minimum $25 in your stack, and ideally $50.

― Mark C, Sunday, 22 July 2007 22:52 (sixteen years ago) link

ha we buy in @ $20 and this is a problem... too easy to lose. And I usually don't reup.

― wanko ergo sum, Sunday, 22 July 2007 22:57 (sixteen years ago) link

This is good reading, thanks! In your 3rd paragraph, what do you mean by "and these hands are fairly well disguised"?

― wanko ergo sum, Sunday, 22 July 2007 22:58 (sixteen years ago) link

The problem with low buyins is that the sexy hands - pocket pairs, suited connectors,i.e. the ones that can win the big pots when you hit three of a kind, straights and flushes - can't be played as easily with small stacks as you need big implied odds - i.e. the amount you COULD win if the hand plays out well - to justify playing them. Basically, in a raised pot, they just don't hit often enough to justify the money it costs to play them.

In small stack poker, the big hands like AK, AQ, JJ etc go up in value, while small pairs and suited connectors, suited aces etc become less valuable as the implied odds are seldom there to play them correctly.

I'd just suggest to your mates that either you up the buyin a bit, or you reduce the blinds - 10c/20c blinds would be perfect, and the pots can get just as big during the big hands.

― Mark C, Sunday, 22 July 2007 23:02 (sixteen years ago) link

Disguised: let's say you are holding 67 and the other guy has AK. The flop is A58, which gives him top pair and you an open-ended straight draw (i.e. both ends of the straight draw, which is currently 5678, can complete your straight, so a 4 or a 9 both give you the straight).

Let's say he gets cocky here, and just makes a small bet - less than half the pot and you can call, thanks to implied odds (which I'll go into more later if you like). The turn is a 4, and you've hit your straight.

However, to him, the board is a harmless looking A584, and he has top pair top kicker! Now your aim is to stack him, which you will hopefully be able to do by betting or raising the turn and/or river. He won't have seen it coming!

― Mark C, Sunday, 22 July 2007 23:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Phew, just won a $16 SNG after typing all that lot - glad I can multitask :)

― Mark C, Sunday, 22 July 2007 23:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Okay, just earned my 2,001st FPP - tourney creation is now possible!

― Mark C, Sunday, 22 July 2007 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Cool. My game's in an hour, I'll report back! Thx again!

― wanko ergo sum, Sunday, 22 July 2007 23:21 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh snap, game cancelled tonight. I just registered at pokerstars. I know nothing about it. I thought online gambling was illegal, but it seems you can bet real money? Anyway, I'm scared to sit at a table b/c the games move quick and I don't know how to play. where's the flippin tutorial?

― wanko ergo sum, Monday, 23 July 2007 00:39 (sixteen years ago) link

on PS I am 'thesmallcat'

― wanko ergo sum, Monday, 23 July 2007 00:46 (sixteen years ago) link

It's here, but it's pretty limited. I'd recommend the forums at flopturnriver.com where I've a member - I think I have something like 2,400 posts there! Start with the stickies on the beginner's forum - I wrote one of them (I am biondino there) :)

Online gambling isn't illegal in the US unless you live in Washington state. The difficult bit is depositing money on the sites, but it's doable. For now, check out the play money tables - you weren't learn much (as people play totally differently when there's no real money in play) but you will get a feel for how it all works, the speed etc., and you'll begin to absorb how hands play out. But reading is key.

xpost hahahahaha :D

― Mark C, Monday, 23 July 2007 00:48 (sixteen years ago) link

One final thing - figure out whether you want to play limit or no-limit. Limit is good for learning the odds, because it's a very technical game. No limit is more psychological, and is much more about bet sizing, position and reading your fellow players. A much better game IMHO :)

― Mark C, Monday, 23 July 2007 00:51 (sixteen years ago) link

FUCKING ADDICTIVE (I'm up few hundred play money)

― wanko ergo sum, Monday, 23 July 2007 00:59 (sixteen years ago) link

Nice going! I lost $120 yesterday. All in a day's work.

― Mark C, Monday, 23 July 2007 09:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Bump! Other ILX poker players, please see my suggestion 20 or so posts ago!

― Mark C, Monday, 23 July 2007 15:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, the play-money tables are kinda worthless. I like that there's a limit to how many times you can go back to the well, but it's still a bit liberal. I'll continue to practice, though, and maybe go in for realz if I gain confidence.

― wanko ergo sum, Monday, 23 July 2007 15:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, Stars has tables where the big blind is 2c and although they're hardly high quality, they're def much better than play money tables. I'd find out how you can deposit if i were you.

― Mark C, Monday, 23 July 2007 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd be up for an ILX tournament. i'm a bit rusty but I'll take y'on.

― Uptoeleven, Monday, 23 July 2007 15:15 (sixteen years ago) link

I don't think I've signed up for PokerStars (tho I might have, & just never bothered playing for real money). I'm actually locked out of FullTilt (because I'm refusing to use ePassporte, & my funds are kinda tight as is) (& also I've lost loads of $$$ since singing up w/ FT, so I'm not eager to stick my butt back out there) so I might switch to PS, for giggles. How's it been for you guys currently on there?

― David R., Monday, 23 July 2007 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Oh it's okay - the facilities they offer are without a doubt second to none, it has the biggest user base and their big tourneys are the market leaders. There's no rakeback and bonuses are rare, but certainly at the lower levels there are enough fish and it's probably the most reliable and safe of all the sites. Definitely set up an account there if you haven't already.

― Mark C, Monday, 23 July 2007 16:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I might be up for this, though I will surely be taken to the cleaners, hapless rube that I am.

― ledge, Monday, 23 July 2007 17:39 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, but it'll probably cost you the price on one pint, so I wouldn't fret too much :)

― Mark C, Monday, 23 July 2007 17:45 (sixteen years ago) link

is pokerstars mac compatible?

― YGS, Monday, 23 July 2007 18:02 (sixteen years ago) link

What about the lost respect from my fellow ilxors, the shame, the humiliation?! Oh I can barely contemplate it.

Ok signed up for pokerstars.

― ledge, Monday, 23 July 2007 18:02 (sixteen years ago) link

i am thesmallcat

― wanko ergo sum, Monday, 23 July 2007 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link

(not logged on)

― wanko ergo sum, Monday, 23 July 2007 18:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Yancey, Stars doesn't work with macs unless you have thd ual boot thingy or virtual PC :(

― Mark C, Monday, 23 July 2007 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Awesome - first two tourneys on PS (one play, one real), and I get rivered on both. It's like I'm home. :)

― David R., Monday, 23 July 2007 23:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Make that 3 rivers.

― David R., Tuesday, 24 July 2007 00:28 (sixteen years ago) link

NOTE TO POKER: blow me.

― David R., Tuesday, 24 July 2007 02:35 (sixteen years ago) link

I was up to 9600 play money and now I'm busted again, out on the street, one shoe, etc.

― wanko ergo sum, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 02:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Meh, I played 4 SNGs last night, bubbled two, way out of the money one, and a scraped third. This is looking like being my first net losing month in... god, a year and a bit?

― Mark C, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 11:19 (sixteen years ago) link

It's those damn high school / college kids.

But, hey, I won $3 yesterday! Sure, I lost $40, but baby steps, right?

― David R., Tuesday, 24 July 2007 13:31 (sixteen years ago) link

This game is so unforgiving. I am perpetually in a state of "where the fuck do I go next". The one thing I *do* want to do, fo sho, is play more easy-going live games - got one coming up next week (well, it's a $100 buyin freezeout, which is a bit overbudget, but it seems to me the social aspect of it is a benefit in kind).

― Mark C, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 14:46 (sixteen years ago) link

I am HOPING that my run of bad luck (coupled w/ stupid plays from "trying too hard") is near an end - if I lose my KK to a small blind catching 2p on the river one more time etc etc etc etc

― David R., Tuesday, 24 July 2007 15:05 (sixteen years ago) link

I much prefer live games to online but I find it a real pain in the arse to arrange them. Getting the 8/9/10 people round to play seems to require an exhausting level of social coordination. I've been to the casino a few times with smaller numbers of mates for tournaments (and been fairly successful) but I hate playing rebuys and htat seems to be what most of them are for lower stakes games. Still much more personable andf preferable for that anyway.

Registered with pokerstars. Very different format to partpoker and not quite so user friendly but just something to get used to i spose.

― Uptoeleven, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link

I played stud, draw and baseball last week and have a question- when playing with wild cards does five of a kind beat a straight flush? Or is five of a kind even allowed?

― brownie, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link

BTW - if you're on PokerStars, and some asshat calling himself BuzzBuzzBuzz starts mouthing off about whatever, come to this thread & tell me to shut the fuck up.

― David R., Tuesday, 24 July 2007 15:08 (sixteen years ago) link

And if some dickwad called efil4elbmow harasses you, or asks you to eat his balls, come to this thread and tell me to go fuck myself.

― Mark C, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 16:33 (sixteen years ago) link

OK, seriously - getting my AA busted by KK on the river right on the bubble of a rebuy = suck Michael Vick's cock, PS.

― David R., Wednesday, 25 July 2007 00:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Oof that does hurt. Dave, you really are preternaturally unlucky. I have another poker buddy called Dave, and so's he. Try a name change :)

― Mark C, Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Honestly, I'm surprised I ended up doing so well in '05 & the start of '06. It's gotten to the point where, if I have the top hand and someone's all-in fishing for a flush w/ 93 suited, I'm rooting for the flush to hit. Overall, I think I'm still up about 3K, but I was up 6K at one point. And, yes, that is dollars.

According to thepokerdb @ Bluff Magazine, I've either had or am on a 20 tourney non-money streak (not counting SNG MTT tourneys, which have been fucking me as well), in addition to a handful of 10+ winless streaks. And I don't think I've finished in the top ten in a large tourney in a loooooooong time. Call me a cab already.

― David R., Wednesday, 25 July 2007 17:48 (sixteen years ago) link

My month of SNGs is coming to a very unsatisfactory end. I only actually started recording my progress on Wednesday, but bad luck is smacking me on the arse in the most deflating way right now. 2 money finishes in 12 SNGs and I've lost exactly twice as much as I've won. Stupid game.

― Mark C, Friday, 27 July 2007 23:13 (sixteen years ago) link

Anyway, it seems that most of the people who've contributed to this thread aren't able to read it these days, so I'll start emailing people re an ILX invitational tourney over the weekend.

― Mark C, Friday, 27 July 2007 23:14 (sixteen years ago) link

I was hooked on play-money games for about 2 days. But the no-stakes thing just doesn't hold my interest. Still have a real game on Sunday, though -- can't wait.

― wanko ergo sum, Friday, 27 July 2007 23:19 (sixteen years ago) link

ZOMG I WON MONEY (finished 11th in a 360-person tourney) - it felt really weird, but then I got hosed by a slow-playing AK soon after that, so now everything's back to normal.

― David R., Saturday, 28 July 2007 00:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Wanko, srsly, you can afford say $20, right? it's really worth playing the lowest-stakes cash games or sngs - it'll make a huge difference to your development as a player.

Make sure you give us updates on tomorrow night!

― Mark C, Saturday, 28 July 2007 13:40 (sixteen years ago) link

So, how did it go?

I played 5 MTTs tonight and bust early in the first four before final tabling the 5th (only a Stars $4.40 180-man jobby, but they all count). Came third in the end after a long time as 1st or 2nd in chips - in fact I managed to have a 2-1 lead 3-handed but fucked it up with an incomprehensible pre-flop push which just happened to be called by AA. Idiot Mark. Still, it was kinda satisfying, though in the endgame I was getting NO hands at all - A7s was my double up hand - sucked out on AQ - and I pushed with JJ over a pre-flop raise and got a fold. Other than that, nothing - my bluff raises were all re-raised. Meh.

Still, my highest finish, if not my best result (which remains 4th of 455). I guess I'm pleased. Sorta.

― Mark C, Monday, 30 July 2007 00:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm trying to get hold of the group -- if I make it tonight I'll update around midnight my time/4:00am GMT! (I usually just tag along with my sis but she's sitting out tonight)

― wanko ergo sum, Monday, 30 July 2007 00:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Hope it didn't fall through! Did you win?

― Mark C, Monday, 30 July 2007 10:17 (sixteen years ago) link

Called off in lieu of tubing, bah.

― wanko ergo sum, Monday, 30 July 2007 16:16 (sixteen years ago) link

"in lieu of tubing"? Is that a sex thing?

Dude, email me, I have a proposition for you :)

― Mark C, Monday, 30 July 2007 16:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Tubing = floating down the river on a big blowup thing that looks like a tire. I emailed you.

― wanko ergo sum, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 00:33 (sixteen years ago) link

just took down a 45 player 20+2 sit n go at full tilt. i like those tourneys. multi table but not too big. only took 2 hours. hadnt played in a while before last week. started of way rusty loosing $200 in a couple days - then i got my groove back. made 4 final tables (and the money - only top 6 pay in the 45) on either the 45 or 90 handed sit n goes. unfortunately this has been my first substantial haul.

i had like 5x chips of final dude and he basically folded away all of them. v strange.

my one big suckout was against the chip leader w/3 players left when i raised w/ jacks and slow played a set on the flop. we ended up going all in on the turn when he hit a flush then i hit my boat on the river leaving him wounded.

ps its called toobin'

― jhøshea, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 05:34 (sixteen years ago) link

ok so now its 4am - after i won that last one i played a 69+5 multi. was in the top ten from most of the 1st two hour then dropped down to like 20th out of 8 remaining (360 entered). i raised preflop... fuck it i wont even explain just look at the screen shot and know i didnt go all in preflop.

http://i17.tinypic.com/67raoar.jpg

― jhøshea, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 08:13 (sixteen years ago) link

ps i am beach wolfz

― jhøshea, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 08:14 (sixteen years ago) link

corrections: 69+6, 80 remaining. i need bed.

ps also my table had 3 or 4 (including me) of the top ten for over an hour. if those fuckers werent there to knock me out wtf.

― jhøshea, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 08:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Heh - nice work dude. All I managed last night was to get my SNG tally (since I started charting it on 24th July) back into the black. I play a mixture of $11-$16 short-handed, 9/10-handed, turbos and regs at Stars and Party. The $13 6max turbo tourneys at Stars seem to suit me best, but obv the payout isn't huge.

I really don't know if I should return to ring games in August. I'm not at all confident about winning at $100NL any more but if I eased myself back in at $50, maybe that'd work? I dunno, maybe I should just keep playing tourneys till I get bored of them - problem is whatever happens, they're going to make me next to no profit and at least in cash games there's always the chance of doubling up in a single hand.

― Mark C, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 09:36 (sixteen years ago) link

i'm playing poker with mark c IRL this friday.

i don't think dunc4n b4nn47yn3 will be there again this time though.

― ken c, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 16:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Which one was that?

Want to play Monday at the C3ntury as well, Ken, or is that overkill?

― Mark C, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 16:08 (sixteen years ago) link

the scottish dude who was sitting next to me in the final table?

is it the same drill again as last month? i'll be up for it yeah as i just got loads of backpay from work and so why not blow some of it on poker!!

― ken c, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 16:12 (sixteen years ago) link

i cant belive no one is OMGWTFing at that screen shot ;_;

just made the money in that same tourney and got my kk busted

― jhøshea, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 16:13 (sixteen years ago) link

omgwtf.

why is the 7777T a winner when there was a straight flush? (oh he won some kind of sidepot?)

― ken c, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 16:18 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah sided pot

short stack went all in on flop w/less than half my chips so i called w/my over pair and big stack called behind me w/his quads

― jhøshea, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 16:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Sorry fella, I only noticed the quads - that is quite the hand, my god.

― Mark C, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 19:23 (sixteen years ago) link

are you ready for friday mark? (and monday)

― ken c, Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:56 (sixteen years ago) link

i've decided that if i make any decent amount of money out of any of these two outings i'll use the money to book a flight to vegas.

― ken c, Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:57 (sixteen years ago) link

(but i fear my luck won't stretch again this time)

― ken c, Thursday, 2 August 2007 10:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Ken, I am ready! Just waiting for confirmation about Monday but I've never had a problem before.

You're in the enviable position where even if everything goes as bad as possible for you YOU'LL STILL BE UP £750. Which must be nice.

Ken - what games are you playing online these days? How often do you get to play?

― Mark C, Thursday, 2 August 2007 11:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Online I only ever play catty $5+1 10ppl SNGs. and not very very often - it's hard to concentrate at home with the telly and other internet stuff going on (e.g. scrabulous) that i drift off a lot and don't pay attention to how people play and that.

i also have a habit of playing way too loose when there's 4 people left when i should try and hang on a bit more to be in the money.

perhaps i need to raise the stakes a bit so i'll actually pay more attention.. it feels like a play money game when you spend an hour on a game that makes you a tenner at best..

― ken c, Thursday, 2 August 2007 11:24 (sixteen years ago) link

If you're paying a dollar in rake you might as well play the $10+$1 games - they're pretty soft, and you'll probably pay more attention.

I also like the turbos on Stars - the pace is right for me, they're between $6.50 and $16, so even less rake, and the software's decent.

― Mark C, Thursday, 2 August 2007 11:41 (sixteen years ago) link

oh it's probably $5+0.5 actually - this is how little attention i pay!!!

i still need to do some fun things involving rakeback i think.

i only ever play on PKR.com these days too.. haha that's actually probably why i never pay attention (too busy making chicken noises at people)

― ken c, Thursday, 2 August 2007 11:45 (sixteen years ago) link

just won a ticket to fulltilt's ftops $200 + $16 pl holdem tourney. and then realized i will be camping on 8/10. i think i can use it on any $200 tourney tho.

ken you should go up to at least $10. 5s are really just too chaotic to be enjoyable or learn anything from or really to make any sense at all. i mean some might say the same for 10s but they are like 1mx better than 5s. and if that still doesnt hold yr attention, play 2 at once.

― jhøshea, Thursday, 2 August 2007 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, you should be able to sell it or reassign it, I think, though I don't play on FT since my initial attempt there at $100NL went completely tits up.

I think playing the $5s is okay if a) you want cheapness, b) you're okay with the most bizarre fishy play sucking out on you and c) you can face being a disciplined nit. At the $10s it's just that bit easier to play solid poker with a bit of flair - the players aren't so bad but they're seldom much good either, so you can run over them a lot, especially since you know you're not going to have 7 limpers in every pot.

I tend to play 3-4 tables at once, and the $16s are probably about my limit where I can expect to win long term - at the $22s I'd probably break even, maybe eke out a few bucks but I'd be that much more anxious and nitty and it's less fun then.

― Mark C, Thursday, 2 August 2007 16:08 (sixteen years ago) link

Ken, will I see you there tonight?

― Mark C, Friday, 3 August 2007 10:55 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah man. shall we meet up somehwere beforehand or just turn up there?

― ken c, Friday, 3 August 2007 11:57 (sixteen years ago) link

I think we'd better meet there tbh as I have a 6pm meeting and am not exactly sure when it'll end, and whether I'll have to rush straight to the do. Though if I am out early I might give you a call, see where you are!

― Mark C, Friday, 3 August 2007 12:05 (sixteen years ago) link

ok doood i'll prolly go there and drink whiskey and look hard or something.

― ken c, Friday, 3 August 2007 12:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Does this mean anything?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y148/Juror8/Todaywe.jpg

I mean, if I can manage a win like that, does that mean that I'm any good and should play more poker? Or can you fluke something like that?

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 3 August 2007 13:48 (sixteen years ago) link

you just have to keep playing and see

― jhøshea, Friday, 3 August 2007 13:50 (sixteen years ago) link

William Hill said the same thing about betting on horses to me around 1999.

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 3 August 2007 13:51 (sixteen years ago) link

It means that you have the discipline to play a whole MTT without losing focus. It doesn't mean a lot else, as luck plays too big a part in individual games to be able to assign undeniable talent, but it does mean that you're obviously good enough to make the right moves against the poor players who make up a $5.50 tournament.

So you can't fluke something like this; but it's certainly possible that the key hands you played were decided more by luck than judgement. However, it's a truism that anyone winning an MTT HAS to have luck in spades on their side because there are simply too many occasions on which they'll be in tight spots and sometimes, the cards just have to fall your way.

The other thing is that even at $5.50, the final table players are usually competent and aggressive, which means you need good cards or good luck to win - skill isn't as big a factor because stacks are so small compared to blinds. The tourney where I cam third, I managed to get A7 and JJ during the last 50 or 60 hands and nothing else even half decent, and I just couldn't make enough successful bluffs to do anything against players who were taking every chance to play hard.

I'd be pretty fucking pleased, though. I've got a 3rd a 4th and a 5th in 100+ field tournaments, but despite being the chip leader at the FT twice, the win has never seemed close.

― Mark C, Friday, 3 August 2007 14:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Put it this way Mark: say I want to settle down, stretch myself beyond Sklansky and a brief flick through "SuperSystem 2", and actually test myself playing online tournament poker: what type of tournaments should I be entering, how often, etc.

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 3 August 2007 14:42 (sixteen years ago) link

oh fine ask mark who has never won a multi *huff*

― jhøshea, Friday, 3 August 2007 14:59 (sixteen years ago) link

He was first to respond!

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 3 August 2007 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Put it this way ~~Mark~~jhoshea: say I want to settle down, stretch myself beyond Sklansky and a brief flick through "SuperSystem 2", and actually test myself playing online tournament poker: what type of tournaments should I be entering, how often, etc.

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 3 August 2007 15:00 (sixteen years ago) link

what was the jureor8 hand?????

― ken c, Friday, 3 August 2007 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link

-e

― ken c, Friday, 3 August 2007 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link

So you want to take it seriously in a money-making capacity, or you want to see how far you can go?

I don't think I have an answer, mainly because MTTs are my least-experienced area of the game. You should certainly read more - the 3 Harrington on Hold'em books are the sine qua non of tournament play, so they're a no-brainer, but there are other decent ones which might explore more complex strategies. You want to develop a knowledge of ICM if you don't understand it already - and you want to make sure that you know instinctively all the basics of tourney play, how to play at each stage during the tourney, bubble play, FT play, playing for the win rather than to scrape into the money, that kind of thing.

Or, you could look into making a career of playing satellites - some do, as they tend to have a lower quality of opponent (poor players who want a cheap shot at a big prize) and a strategy peculiar to themselves, i.e. you need to adapt how you play when the aim is to come within the top 10 or 25 or whatever rather than aiming to come 1st, as you would in a normal tourney. If you have these skills, you'll have a big advantage; and if you play at sites like Stars, where you can simply convert the tickets you win into T$ (money that you have to spend on entering tournaments of any kind) rather than having to play whatever you satellite into.

Obviously, the more MTTs you play, the better you'll get and the more your earning potential will rise. Only you know the level you're at - maybe even you don't, if you haven't played many. You could stick at the $5 level for now, and see how that goes; you could try a $10, see if you find it much trickier. I'd suggest you sign up to Stars and play the 180-man SNGs they have there - they are at $4.40, $11 and $22 levels, they start every few minutes, and they last about 3-4 hours, and the standard is relatively low. But they're easily the most versatile, and you have the advantage of knowing how many players you'll be up against - it really sucks signing up for a tourney at 10pm and then realising that with 1,000 players you won't be done till 3am at the earliest if you do well.

You can practice also with single table and multi-table SNGs - both Stars and Party have 2-table, 3-table and 5-table SNGs (I won one of the latter, still my only multi-table win of note) - which will give you a good grasp of middle and end-game strategy.

You'll probably need to multi-table if you're going to take it seriously. You're also going to have to be able to commit considerable amounts of time - I guess there were 4-500 people in the one you won, and it took 5 hours or more? This is the main reason I don't play many, I just can't find evening where I can blank out 6 hours.

Hope this helps.

(xxxxx-post obv - and no, I've never won one, but I'm an avid reader and know a little bit about stuff and stuff :))

― Mark C, Friday, 3 August 2007 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link

single table sit n goes are probably the best way to learn. obv the strategy is different from a multis, but not so differnt that the experience isnt applicable. and itll really help you later when yr short handed at a final table.

also small mutlis like the 45 handed sit n goes on full tilt are are good too. they lack the utter chaos of larger multis and will shorten yr cold streaks. i'd start @ $10. as i mentioned before the play on $5s is just too ludicrous to really help you develop.

stay away from rebuys at least at first - those shits are crazy.

and def read dan harrington's tourney books.

and dont go all in much.

― jhøshea, Friday, 3 August 2007 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link

I had about 30% of the chips with five hands to go, all-ined with a pair of sixes, won that, then five hands later called his AT all-in with a pair of sixes and won that. Like Doyle Brunson's T2, only much less impressive.

xxp

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 3 August 2007 15:11 (sixteen years ago) link

jh - Ken and I are playing a live $60 rebuy on Monday and a $100 freezeout tonight, and I ain't that good - any advice?

― Mark C, Friday, 3 August 2007 15:11 (sixteen years ago) link

well i would say as someone who used to play a lot on sit n goes and made the transition to multis - dont be afraid to take some risks early to build yr stack (especially since a lot of live multis are basically crazy turbo.) once you do that shift gears and bide your time. trapping tactics are def more valuable in multis. once antes start its time to steal blinds. final table is often crazy loose and aggressive till 4 or five left then gets conservative - play accordingly.

and dont go all much.

― jhøshea, Friday, 3 August 2007 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link

avoid playing on the same table as me

xpost

― ken c, Friday, 3 August 2007 15:34 (sixteen years ago) link

fightin words

― jhøshea, Friday, 3 August 2007 15:36 (sixteen years ago) link

Dude he won the $60 rebuy last time, he walks the walk.

― Mark C, Friday, 3 August 2007 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link

aww now this is making me want to play a live tourney. all the poker clubs in nyc have the most retarded structures and fees ;_; still fun tho

― jhøshea, Friday, 3 August 2007 15:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, both tonight and Monday are outside my usual comfort zone, but tonight is at least a) Friday, so more people will be drinking and having a laugh (including me) and b) spending is capped at $110 (though I will no doubt bust out early, then lost another $200 in subsequent cash games).

― Mark C, Friday, 3 August 2007 16:11 (sixteen years ago) link

oh god that's no attitude. youve gotta have confidence dude!

here's what you do: when yr at home before the tournament, take a nice warm shower, then stand naked before a full length mirror repeating "rickey's the best" for like 10 minutes.

― jhøshea, Friday, 3 August 2007 17:00 (sixteen years ago) link

Ken and I both made the money! I picked up $200 for 4th and that little fucker only won AGAIN to the tune of $1200.

― Mark C, Saturday, 4 August 2007 08:15 (sixteen years ago) link

AWESOME DUDEZ I TOLD U THE NAKED MIRROR AFFIRMATIONS WOULD WORK !!!

― jhøshea, Saturday, 4 August 2007 08:19 (sixteen years ago) link

also ken c is clearly good at poker so why is he losing online at $5s?

― jhøshea, Saturday, 4 August 2007 08:20 (sixteen years ago) link

OMG I can't believe I won again fucking hell.

haha I totally lucked on the river though on the hand that knocked out Mark C!

I really don't know what the difference is, but I seem to do be doing a lot better at real life games than online.. maybe it just feels more natural to hold the chips and have a physical sense of what's going on. or maybe i have a really imposing demeanor that only shines through in person!

― ken c, Saturday, 4 August 2007 09:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Ken I think you had something like 14 outs on that river, so it was hardly a suckout. It's my fault anyway for pushing with 74s.

― Mark C, Saturday, 4 August 2007 09:46 (sixteen years ago) link

we're doing it again, tonight!

i think i might retire from poker if i win again.

― ken c, Monday, 6 August 2007 13:16 (sixteen years ago) link

gl gg nh gf nc

― jhøshea, Monday, 6 August 2007 13:21 (sixteen years ago) link

ty!!

― ken c, Monday, 6 August 2007 13:29 (sixteen years ago) link

stfu ><)))'>

― Mark C, Monday, 6 August 2007 13:35 (sixteen years ago) link

/bringiton

― ken c, Monday, 6 August 2007 13:46 (sixteen years ago) link

Ken?

― Mark C, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 09:20 (sixteen years ago) link

I didn't manage the hat trick :((

BUT I CAME THIRD AND TOOK HOME £580! Woo hoo!

I want to say this was due to my obvious poker talent, but fuck, I didn't deserve to get anything last night.

i still remember the hand i called someone's all in with my K 10 offsuit vs someone's A 10.

I caught 4 spades and knocked that guy out. Something inside me died with shame when i collected the chips.

― ken c, Tuesday, 7 August 2007 09:48 (sixteen years ago) link

so yeah, off the back of these wins i'm using the money for a trip to las vegas...

is there good poker fun to be had? if so where? also.. recommendation for good hotels? it looks like tropicana at the moment (the best sounding £30 a nighter on the strip)

― ken c, Thursday, 9 August 2007 16:59 (sixteen years ago) link

That's rad, Ken! I'd advise you join flopturnriver.com and search their archives/ask people to recommend the best places to play. Figure out what you'd like to play, of course, tourneys or cash etc., and what other entertainments you want to enjoy.

Btw there is a super-rad arcade in Vegas somewhere on/close to the strip - me and Sgs and my bro hung out there for like 4 hours. It helped that the DDR machine had ELEVEN free goes when I used it :)

― Mark C, Thursday, 9 August 2007 17:04 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm reading Harrington on Hold 'em volumes 1 and 2. HOMEWORK.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 9 August 2007 18:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Nice - I still need to get Vol. 2, but my game improved 58383% (rough estimate) after reading Vol. 1. Given how shitty I've been, I shd reread.

― David R., Friday, 10 August 2007 02:14 (sixteen years ago) link

i should read a book on poker one of these days

― ken c, Friday, 10 August 2007 11:16 (sixteen years ago) link

one that isn't "shut up and deal" by jesse may

― ken c, Friday, 10 August 2007 11:16 (sixteen years ago) link

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/41CHY2BQHSL._SS500_.jpg

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 10 August 2007 11:45 (sixteen years ago) link

OMG - what's that all about? Is Louise aiming to become the new Vicky Coren (after Vicky Coren retires from the poker circuit to marry me, obv)?

― Mark C, Friday, 10 August 2007 12:46 (sixteen years ago) link

http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=28047

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 10 August 2007 12:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Just booked my ticket!

― ken c, Friday, 10 August 2007 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link

kekekeke our site just left beta. i am freaking the eff out.

― Will M., Wednesday, 22 August 2007 16:50 (sixteen years ago) link

ok seriously fuck. this is getting ridiculous. i went again and won again (split money 1st and 2nd). This is the 5th time i played real life poker and the 5th time in profit, and whenever i am tempted to think "wow, fuck you must be fucking talented at this" i look back and remember how progressively i get flukier and flukier, like kasper schmeichel's clean sheet record.

― ken c, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 00:22 (sixteen years ago) link

I, on the other hand, lost £100 playing a £0.50/£1 no limit cash game and didn't even get to the casino in time to buy into the tournament Ken won above. I might not be a better player than Ken, but I'm not £3,000 worse in 5 evenings!

― Mark C, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 00:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Ken, that 3rd place at the last Century do is really spoiling your otherwise flawless run of victories.

― Mark C, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 00:31 (sixteen years ago) link

I know - although two of the "victories" were splitting the money between the top 2/3 places (i was 'technically second' last night because when we decided to split they dealt a free hand to each of us to determine the "winner" so i didn't get my picture taken :( even though i was leading in chips a little!)

I'm really glad to have been to this casino warm-up trip, God, it took some getting used to - there were so many more joyless and angry people compared to c3n7ury. I wonder if it's what all casino games are like.

― ken c, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 09:08 (sixteen years ago) link

The cash game was okay - not friendly as such, but the occasional banterful comment and no-one got angry or rude.

― Mark C, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 09:28 (sixteen years ago) link

also: mark you were unlucky last night to not win though (got sucked out of a big hand?)

― ken c, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 10:26 (sixteen years ago) link

Well, my last pot of about £150 I was about 70/30 to win or something, but not hugely unlucky, not like the poor guy to my right earlier. He had A3, opponent had AJ, and he re-raised all in on a A3x flop. Turn 3...... river A, the one card that prevented him taking it all down.

― Mark C, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 13:26 (sixteen years ago) link

http://m.assetbar.com/uua3qs16T.gif

― Mark C, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 14:24 (sixteen years ago) link

I haven't been tot he casino since back in the day when i had.... money. But did play eight hours of poker for pints on Sunday. Won five out of the first six games and therefore have very little recollection of what happened after that. Job-----> Money---------> Poker -------> More/Less Money

― Uptoeleven, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 19:21 (sixteen years ago) link

HI DERE
http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v112/110/26/549466400/n549466400_295933_7995.jpg

― ken c, Monday, 3 September 2007 23:49 (sixteen years ago) link

can't believe mark c hasn't reported back yet

― ken c, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 13:48 (sixteen years ago) link

http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v112/110/26/549466400/n549466400_295933_7995.jpg

U gonna get etc etc etc

― Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 13:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Oops, sorry Ken!

As you can see, Ken and I met Doyle Brunson, his son and fellow pro Todd, and the delightful Hoyt Corkins at our regular rebuy do on Monday. Neither of us cashed this time (ken's FIRST time outside the top 3 since I've been playing with him), though I did win a bounty of £70 for busting Mr Corkins which completely made my night (as did his graciousness after busting out).

To complete the set, here's Todd, left, and Hoyt, right:

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1172/1315201859_f6ceef5e83_m.jpg http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1172/1316087448_03c2ffa166_m.jpg

― Mark C, Wednesday, 5 September 2007 13:57 (sixteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Update time - how's everyone doing? Any notable events? I am back playing ring this month (only $50NL 6max for the most part, though I appear to pwn pot limit so I might try a bit more of that) and am up about 3 buyins.

A mate of mine won $70k on Party's bad beat jackpot thing - his king high straight flush beat his opponent's jack high straight flush. His opponent probably wasn't too unhappy, though, as he took home $140,000.

Anyway, most importantly - KEN! How did Vegas go? Tell us yr gambling exploits!

― Mark C, Thursday, 20 September 2007 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link

Ke-e-en?

― Mark C, Thursday, 20 September 2007 17:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Ken I know you're around today...

(I lost $123 last night. Meh)

― Mark C, Friday, 21 September 2007 13:11 (sixteen years ago) link

dude i'm writing a whole epic journal about this but it takes time.

― ken c, Friday, 21 September 2007 13:50 (sixteen years ago) link

it was TREMENDOUS FUN that's all i will tell you just now

― ken c, Friday, 21 September 2007 13:51 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

You never linked it here, Ken!

Just a stab in the dark - any ILXors around right now who want to play a fun game, probably just a $5 heads up tourney or something? I'm likely to be chillin for the next couple of hours, so hit me up gmail style (b0y1nc0rdur0y at the yahoo com designation, numbers changed to letters) if you're interested.

― Mark C, Tuesday, 16 October 2007 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link

i've been back on partypoker after taking about a month off pokering

i think it's done me good - feel much more composed. i have been winning several SNGS now, was in the money more than i was out of it, and those that i was out i've bubbled each time (something i need to work on i think - i still don't have enough patient to slug it out when it gets to the final 4/3 players). and actually feel like i'm enjoying it again.

― ken c, Thursday, 25 October 2007 19:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Just had an 11-buyin downswing - made $40 last night but I'm waiting until I've had a few more winning sessions before I can say the downswing's over. Here's the graph:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/biondino/Octo07.jpg

― Mark C, Sunday, 28 October 2007 10:40 (sixteen years ago) link

i had an account on pokerroom from many years ago. i put like $100 in it, grinded up to $300, then got brash and fell to ~$150. i haven't played in 2 years or so, but left the money there in case i ever wanted to play again. i tried to pull the money out last night, but because of the new legal climate US people can't bet real money there anymore, and the only way to make a withdrawal is to use click2pay, a new gambling PayPal clone which doesn't accept US customers.

so how do i yank the money out? any suggestions?

― sanskrit, Sunday, 28 October 2007 12:30 (sixteen years ago) link

They appear to be rejigging their check options so I'd be surprised if once that's all sorted you couldn't get the cash out via a check.

― Mark C, Sunday, 28 October 2007 15:46 (sixteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

pocket AA, flop 6 K 8, 2 players, i raise small, got reraise, i reraise again, they go all in, i call. dude had KJ. rubbing my hands for payout, then J came on the river.

bastards.

then i got out to the same player later with ANOTEHR JACK ON THE RIVER.

― ken c, Saturday, 17 November 2007 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link

i drew a little >|||'> picture to that guy

― ken c, Saturday, 17 November 2007 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link

you missed the <

><)))'>

― Mark C, Saturday, 17 November 2007 16:55 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

You guys,
- I suck
- I don't want to suck so bad
- Super System 2 seems unreadable to me
- waht to do?

Start with Harrington?

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 28 December 2007 02:50 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Losing a $35 pot in a .05/.10 game to a bad beat on the river (she had ONE out and made it), and still coming out $5 ahead for the night, is a very funny feeling.

Anyway,
- I don't suck quite as bad as I did six weeks ago.
- Harrington is THEE BOMB.

― Rock Hardy, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 06:08 (sixteen years ago) link

I have barely played any ring lately after my desperate first half to the month. I have been pwning tournies, though:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v222/biondino/last20sngs.jpg

― Mark C, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 11:13 (sixteen years ago) link

nice! what do those W C and H on the left stand for?

― ken c, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 11:21 (sixteen years ago) link

No idea - it's the "source" column but I can't find out what the different sources actually mean.

Obviously last night I spoiled it by finishing OOTM in the 2 SNGs I played, but they're not yet tracked by the site (which, if you play SNGs on Stars and want to look at your own, can be found at the Startacker website.

― Mark C, Tuesday, 29 January 2008 12:14 (sixteen years ago) link

had a pretty good game finally. came 2nd out of a 9 table and should have won it if not for 4 badbeats in a row!

― ken c, Wednesday, 30 January 2008 02:15 (sixteen years ago) link

heh i folded, but look!
http://lolrider.com/lol/QK.jpg

― ken c, Thursday, 31 January 2008 02:52 (sixteen years ago) link

fucking bad beat.. got called this on the flop
http://www.lolrider.com/lol/fish.jpg

― ken c, Saturday, 2 February 2008 21:29 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

OMG finally i am back to +ROI on fulltilt!!!!!! crawled from $400 down over the course of last 2 weeks :D :D :D

― ken c, Friday, 21 March 2008 16:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Dear Full Tilt::

Blow me.

xoxoxoxoxoxo

― David R., Friday, 21 March 2008 18:04 (sixteen years ago) link

Dear internet poker in all its glory:

Blow me first.

xoxoxoxoxoxoxox

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 21 March 2008 18:38 (sixteen years ago) link

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/1662/royalku9.jpg

― Pleasant Plains, Sunday, 23 March 2008 03:17 (sixteen years ago) link

woah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― ken c, Sunday, 23 March 2008 09:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Andrews gutted there with the king high straight flush, poor dude!

― Mark C, Sunday, 23 March 2008 10:14 (sixteen years ago) link

and it's not even a cash game so he doesn't get his bad beat bonus

― ken c, Sunday, 23 March 2008 11:00 (sixteen years ago) link

actually no idea if fulltilt do those

― ken c, Sunday, 23 March 2008 11:03 (sixteen years ago) link

I think they do, but only in specified games.

That was a $6 sng, heads-up. Maybe my one and only royal flush, and I was able to snag SIX DOLLARS with it.

― Pleasant Plains, Sunday, 23 March 2008 15:06 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm feeling particularly flush (ba dum chhhhhh) at the moment, not to mention sorely out of practise; any chance of another ilx game?

― Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 10:50 (sixteen years ago) link

would love one although don't think i can do it this weekend. next sunday? (or heaven forbid - a weekday!??!?!?!)

― ken c, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 10:53 (sixteen years ago) link

I ventured out of my usual SNGs and went to a cash game.

I got severely butthurt.

― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 13:59 (sixteen years ago) link

I can usually at least break even in a cash game, but can't hack it in SnG/tourney play where people are all aggro and trying to chip up in the early going. Patience is not rewarded (usually), and aggressive play is like throwing percentile dice. Not so much fun.

― Rock Hardy, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 14:05 (sixteen years ago) link

See, I love the SNGs where three idiots will go all-in within the first two hands. Then you can usually take your time after that.

Granted, the blinds can eat you up, but it's amazing how often you can fake out a table with a K 2.

― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 14:10 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah i always think patience rewards you way more in SNG.. cos you don't necessarily have to be the one who knocks people out to win - survival is more the game than necessarily to build up an early chip lead (you can't cash out like you can in a cash game), it's when the blinds go up in the end-game that agressive play rewards you.

― ken c, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 14:14 (sixteen years ago) link

I have no idea why I do so well when I play @ casinos, yet turn into a sack of mush when I play online tourneys. After a really bad losing streak, I was holding my own of late for a while playing $5 / $10 SNGs (tho I got submarined plenty of times), but had a bad run and then decided to play a $50 regular tourney because OF COURSE donks and tools play low buy-in tourneys, and got bounced within 30 minutes. (I only play 1 or 2 days a week, if that, so that doesn't help my stats, tho it sure helps my stress level.)

And I really need to stop mouthing / typing off when I get beat by someone because they're either a fish or a big stack that could afford to chase a sketchy hand.

Honestly, I'm gonna blame the retarded internet gambling ban thing -- I was doing just fine @ PokerRoom before they decided to lock out all US players. Now I'm FullTilt's and PokerStars' bitch. Because obviously the problem's not me. :\

― David R., Wednesday, 2 April 2008 14:18 (sixteen years ago) link

x-post definitely. although turbo S+Gs are bitches because there just isn't time to be patient before the blinds eat you up. don't really suit really tight players I guess.

and Ken i'd be happy to play a midweek game but I guess doesn't work for Mericans who will be at work when we want to play.

― Upt0eleven, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 14:18 (sixteen years ago) link

oh that is true.

― ken c, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 16:58 (sixteen years ago) link

I have a 20% ROI at the Stars $13 and $16 turbo SNGs - and patience definitely IS the way, even when the blinds go up quickly.

Today I cashed out from and uninstalled two of the Crypto skins - was pleasantly surprised to discover $3,800* sitting in them!

*a good proportion of this - say half - is from money deposited for bonuses, rather than winnings, though.

― Mark C, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 17:02 (sixteen years ago) link

I still need to "wire" you back a deposit (while I still have it.)

― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 2 April 2008 17:06 (sixteen years ago) link

burnt through $50 at 6 player $6 SNGs before finally placing. I'm not sure I have the patience for this (where "patience" is a face-saving synonym for "skill").

― ledge, Friday, 11 April 2008 21:53 (sixteen years ago) link

Got back from the pub pretty loaded last night, accidentally joined a $10 Omaha Hi SNG when I meant to join a Texas Hold 'Em SNG. I have never played Omaha before. I've only gone and won the bloody thing, haven't I. I guess I was completely impossible to read because I didn't know any strategy at all and was drunk, so was pretty much guessing when I had a good hand.

― caek, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 15:04 (sixteen years ago) link

the good thing is i don't think most people who play omaha has much of a clue what's going on so probably helps that you may well have been actually thinking about what you're doing, having not played it much before!!

― ken c, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link

i think it's time to spend some of those winnings at c3n7ury mark

― ken c, Wednesday, 16 April 2008 15:30 (sixteen years ago) link

damn it. got in the money at the vic again - but busted out 6th despite chip leading at one point with 9 players to go. called someone half the stack all in with my KQ vs A3 and nothing hits. and about 10 all ins from other people all went the all-inners way (including one who hits the only one out card on the river)

my chips was dwindling but then i got AK suited on the big blind (i have about 4x left), one dude all in (similar stack) and another big stack calling, i went all in and dude all in was Q 6 and caller had 7 7.. of course the Q comes and nothing else so crashed out. shame.

maybe given the circumstances of being sixth (£75 verses 5th which would be like £150) i should have folded when the other guy called. but i just couldn't resist.

― ken c, Thursday, 17 April 2008 00:28 (sixteen years ago) link

omg and one of the girls from sky poker was there!

― ken c, Thursday, 17 April 2008 00:39 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

So I played poker for the first time (Hold 'Em) against a bunch of dudes, one of whom looked exactly like Tuomas and talked about politics and Rambo the entire time. I lost, but I lasted a while. I want to become killer at it.

― roxymuzak, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 17:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Harrington on Hold 'Em, first 2 volumes, are very good in my opinion. Those focus on tournament play, but he has a new 2-vol. set on ring games that I'd like to get. (Buying poker books costs more than playing poker!)

Small Stakes Hold 'Em by Miller/Sklansky/Malmuth is also good, but its focus is limit hold'em, not No-Limit.

I've switched from .05/.10 NL to .25/.50 Limit, with better success. Apparently I just don't have the cast-iron cojones for NL. I'm okay with people who refuse to limp in, but if they're going to raise 10BB if they play at all, they're just freaking me out and they can play amongst themselves.

― Rock Hardy, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 18:05 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Been following this year's WSOP here.

― Eazy, Friday, 20 June 2008 04:12 (fifteen years ago) link

four months pass...

hi dere

do you guys still play?

i have had an awful few months of just total losing streak on the online poker places. strangely it all started after I went for a real life tourney again - i was up about $400 on fulltilt and then somehow ended up losing it all.

but i think i'm finding my rhythm again - made $100 back from the beginning (the final $6 left in party poker lol), i think my mistake before was while playing tourneys I got overly obsessed with deceiving people and controlling the table with my bets, and totally overlooked the fundamentals i.e. looking at the value of each bet etc. getting better now and got some discipline back. there are still moments when i'm still a bit like OMG i will call you just to see what you have, but i put those down as payments for learning as i still have lots to learn i think.

― the goth from the hilarious 'nemi' comics (ken c), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 01:17 (fifteen years ago) link

I play free poker sites with prizes. I won $10 in a game of 316 players.

― ❤ⓛⓞⓥⓔ❤ (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 02:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Where do you get to play for free prizes?

I rode Mark C's $5 donation on FT for a year before I got drunk one night and blew it all. But in the meantime, I've gathered a lot of FTPs, so I still have some capital.

My live games are doing pretty good. I only won $14 the other night, but I have been taking home between $30 - $70 a night recently.

In the meantime, I found this batshit insane site. I'd be real tempted to call up one of those games in my state, but being here in the Bible Belt, you'd probably later see me on TV telling a reporter "I knew this was a trap..."

― ⊕-----⊕-----⊕ (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 03:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Yow, I finally won a tournament! (9-player Limit Hold'em)

― a new Rock Hardy screen name because I can't find the old one (Rock Hardy), Monday, 17 November 2008 04:24 (fifteen years ago) link

i play at turning stone sometimes when i'm at home (ie not at college)
here's a story from my last time playing cash there, a few months ago

blinds are $2-3 (kiddie tables, i know). the button's one seat to the left of me i believe. nothing much going around, but dude two seats to my right makes it $20. dude to my right calls. i look down at QQ. think for about two seconds and make it $60. folds around and they both call. flop comes T-8-3 or some shit, so i've got a huge boner. dude #1 open shoves the rest of his shit for like 95-100 bucks. guy to my left instafolds. i think for a minute, laugh out loud, say "you've got aces, it's obv, but i'm calling anyway". dude shows AA, catches an ace on the turn, and i laugh and go home. not my best hand.
not that much dough to drop i guess but i'm not a regular player up there by any means so it was kind of a downer

― Kevin Keller, Monday, 17 November 2008 04:43 (fifteen years ago) link

that's harsh - it's so hard when those happens, you feel shit either way even if you fold them and they show you the AA.

― o_O (ken c), Monday, 17 November 2008 18:20 (fifteen years ago) link

guys do you fancy another fulltilt game sometime soon (next week?)

― o_O (ken c), Monday, 17 November 2008 18:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Possibly.

― a new Rock Hardy screen name because I can't find the old one (Rock Hardy), Monday, 17 November 2008 18:26 (fifteen years ago) link

OMG I won another one! Limit is definitely my game.

― a new Rock Hardy screen name because I can't find the old one (Rock Hardy), Monday, 17 November 2008 23:20 (fifteen years ago) link

hurrah!

― o_O (ken c), Monday, 17 November 2008 23:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Possibly.

― a new Rock Hardy screen name because I can't find the old one (Rock Hardy), Monday, November 17, 2008 12:26 PM Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

― ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 00:56 (fifteen years ago) link

THREEPEAT

(this is kind of creepy...I'd only ever cashed three times before yesterday, and now I've won three SnGs in a row.)

― a new Rock Hardy screen name because I can't find the old one (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 04:03 (fifteen years ago) link

jesus christ suckout city today

― o_O (ken c), Sunday, 23 November 2008 18:41 (fifteen years ago) link

seriously this dude will just call you all in preflop with everything. QQ vs KT, and hits a K

then TT vs A5, two 5s at flop.

that made me angry

― o_O (ken c), Sunday, 23 November 2008 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link

i think i need to be more careful as to what hours during the day i play

― o_O (ken c), Sunday, 23 November 2008 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link

and adjust my game accordingly (or not play at all to save my sanity)

― o_O (ken c), Sunday, 23 November 2008 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link

What hours are better to play than others?

Are you getting the sloppy aggressive players more at night?

― ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 23 November 2008 19:08 (fifteen years ago) link

it seems at the moment, folks are proper loose (you re-raise them pre-flop with a massive hand they will call you with shit like A 5)

― o_O (ken c), Sunday, 23 November 2008 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link

so i guess whatever US time is equiv to around 18:00 GMT!!

― o_O (ken c), Sunday, 23 November 2008 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link

on a sunday

― o_O (ken c), Sunday, 23 November 2008 19:18 (fifteen years ago) link

i should write a program that measures people's betting pattern according to time of the day/day of the week

― o_O (ken c), Sunday, 23 November 2008 19:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Those murrikans really need to be watching their football instead of playing games online.

― ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ ⊂⊃ (Pleasant Plains), Sunday, 23 November 2008 19:47 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm doing both.

― a new Rock Hardy screen name because I can't find the old one (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 23 November 2008 20:09 (fifteen years ago) link

lololol

― o_O (ken c), Sunday, 23 November 2008 20:37 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

take sides: fixed-limit vs. no-limit

― WmC, Saturday, 13 December 2008 20:50 (fifteen years ago) link

No limit is to whiskey as fixed-limit is to wine.

Each has its own merit, and each will get you where you want to be if you use them right.

― B.L.A.M., Saturday, 13 December 2008 22:56 (fifteen years ago) link

one month passes...

FUUUUCK!!

I just lost $50 on Full Tilt. My bankroll was $185, so I still have quite a bit left, but still. Here's what happened:

5 player cash game at .25/.50 blinds., max buy-in $50. I am 3 left of the dealer & check on pocket 4s. BB raises $1.50 & I call. Flop is A34. BB raises $3 & I call. Turn is a 3, giving me a boat. BB raises $6. I deliberate (for show) & then re-raise $14. BB re-raises again, I go all in & he calls. At this point, I'm scared of AA or 33, the only two hands that could beat me, but I decide to chance against it. I figure him for AK, a 3, a low straight, or, at best, A3. If I had lost to AA or 33, I wouldn't be so pissed, b/c I would chalk it up to not trusting my instincts against a possible nut hand, but dude had A3 & I had him covered. Well guess what: river was another A, giving him the better boat. Fucking goddam luck.

Aaargh! Oh well, at least I blew off some steam just then by typing really, really hard!

― Ricky Apples (Pillbox), Monday, 9 February 2009 04:53 (fifteen years ago) link

heh, last night at a live sitandgo.

it was like the 5th level or something BB was like 400 (2500 starting chips).. 3 limpers i had 8000 on the button and I put in a 2500 raise, all folded except one (he had like about 4000 left) flop J 4 7 or something crappy, he goes all in, instant call, JJ vs QK, running cards 10, 9. fucker.

actually hung on despite crippled for ages and got back to about 3200, when the levels were at 600/1200 one dude raised and same dude went all-in, I called with A 10 as it seemed the best opportunity i'd get. A 10 vs A 4 vs K Q (that dude) and fate would have it that I'd lose out to the same hand to the same guy again

boo hoo.

― \∫Öζ/.... argh oh noes! (ken c), Friday, 20 February 2009 12:33 (fifteen years ago) link

last hand wasn't so much a bad beat obv. but still

― \∫Öζ/.... argh oh noes! (ken c), Friday, 20 February 2009 12:33 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

wow

today in one game i lost 5 hands calling the same guy all in pre-flop, him hitting his 3-outer each time (one was split pot).. works for full tilt??

― \∫Öζ/.... argh oh noes! (ken c), Monday, 9 March 2009 00:37 (fifteen years ago) link

My sympathies...I've been getting a faceful of variance lately. Can't afford to play at the stakes where people play poker instead of high-speed chicken, and getting a lot of ugly beats on the river.

― WmC, Monday, 9 March 2009 02:45 (fifteen years ago) link

Nothing more hilarious than NL players who accidentally get into FL SnGs and scream "I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS PUSSY GAME YOU PEOPLE WOULDN'T LAST FIVE MINUTES PLAYING NL" until they bust out by level 3.

― WmC, Tuesday, 17 March 2009 18:36 (fifteen years ago) link

haha
it is annoying though when you get to the wrong game

― \∫Öζ/.... argh oh noes! (ken c), Wednesday, 18 March 2009 11:08 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

ARGH. got to final table in a live game. first hand someone raised crazy amount i folded AJ as dude was fairly tight, and indeed he had AK - someone further down called A9 all in. 9 hit and J would have hit, made the right move but could have tripled through

about 6 hands later someone else raised and i went all in AQ, he reluctantly called with A5 and of course, 5 came and no Q. maybe i need to play crappier poker sometimes..

― ken "save-a-finn" c (ken c), Thursday, 11 June 2009 23:39 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

anyone free in london this friday and up for a game? might try and organise one

― ken "save-a-finn" c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 July 2009 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Wish I could.

Anyone else following the WSOP? Main event whittles down today from 27 to the November 9.

― Beanbag the Gardener (WmC), Wednesday, 15 July 2009 16:43 (fourteen years ago) link

i haven't followed but will!

― ken "save-a-finn" c (ken c), Wednesday, 15 July 2009 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link

I keep a browser tab open here throughout the day.

― Beanbag the Gardener (WmC), Wednesday, 15 July 2009 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link

ken! been meaning to ask if i could join you for a game for ages. def in.

― N1ck (Upt0eleven), Wednesday, 15 July 2009 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link

this still likely/possible?

― N1ck (Upt0eleven), Thursday, 16 July 2009 12:28 (fourteen years ago) link

i would be up for another full tilt tournament at some point btw

― caek, Thursday, 16 July 2009 12:29 (fourteen years ago) link

hey n1ck - argh i just called it off as many people are away and i could only get 4 in (would have been 5 with you)

BUT there's been lots of interest so I'm going to do one in early august i think! i have your email don't i i'll let keep in touch there!

― ken "save-a-finn" c (ken c), Thursday, 16 July 2009 14:07 (fourteen years ago) link

yes to a full tilt tourney

― ken "save-a-finn" c (ken c), Thursday, 16 July 2009 14:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Would be up for full tilt tourney. Especially if i could hold of this AI which predicts bets to three decimal places:

http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2009/07/ai_predicts_poker_be.html

― ledge, Wednesday, 22 July 2009 10:22 (fourteen years ago) link

had a game with friends last night, and it was one of those nights where one guy keeps getting cards. to an almost ludicrous degree. even hands he thought he'd lost he ended up winning. i've had those nights too, and it's always a weird feeling -- you feel chosen by god or something. but being on the losing end of it can be frustrating. the temptation is just to fold against him on every hand, but that seems superstitious, so instead you play your cards and ... lose. anyway, he's a nice guy so it was hard to begrudge. as long as he comes back and loses next time...

― flying squid attack (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 13:22 (fourteen years ago) link

ha that's happened to me the time when i ended up playing poker with steve a1b1n1 at ATP this year.. first night there was one guy who just kept getting boats or hitting a lucky second pair on the river and ended up like £140 up. but next day went back i played sensible poker and fleeced a many a few (it helped that loads of groupies aka poker n00bs found out about this and joined in).

― ken "save-a-finn" c (ken c), Wednesday, 22 July 2009 16:13 (fourteen years ago) link

three months pass...

if i try to set up another fulltilt game would you guys be interested??

― ken "save-a-finn" c (ken c), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 16:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Possibly... though if there's one thing I've learned in the last year, it's that my game is Limit, not NL.

There's a hilarious crazy woman who haunts the microstakes SnGs I play at Stars -- she has this idea that any preflop aggression is cheating, and god forbid you should check-raise her. That REALLY sends her into orbit. But she's easy pickings because she's apparently unable to bluff.

― WmC, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 16:30 (fourteen years ago) link

also, my poker must have got progressively worse since 2 years ago (those two months of 3 money positions in a row). as i don't seem to do so well in tourneys anymore, it could well be because i never went back to that place where i won twice (where everybody were loaded and so were chucking money about going all in every hand and then rebuy)

i had never lost at the tournament at the vic either though, so maybe i should head back there to have a go again sometime.

― ken "save-a-finn" c (ken c), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost that is awesome! you should get her to play headsup with you!

― ken "save-a-finn" c (ken c), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link

are you around this sunday WmC? I might set one up 4pm ET/9pm GMT, like old times? (just a $5 flutter?)

― ken "save-a-finn" c (ken c), Tuesday, 27 October 2009 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Possibly!

If anyone knows of a realtime odds calculator for Mac OS that can't be detected by the FT/PS software, I'd love to know about it.

― WmC, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 16:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I could be in too, Ken (email me bro)

― Mark C, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link

I am travelling this weekend, but if I'm near an internet I'm in, so keep this thread updated with any news please!

― caek, Tuesday, 27 October 2009 20:22 (fourteen years ago) link

ok any more offers? I'll email fulltilt for this sunday if you guys are in.. kind of should try and get more than 4 players though!!!

actually fuck it i'll set it up

― ken "save-a-finn" c (ken c), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:22 (fourteen years ago) link

a small slim chance i'll be around on sun night.

― George Mucus (ledge), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:23 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm going to set this to freezeout so no rebuys

― ken "save-a-finn" c (ken c), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:32 (fourteen years ago) link

but would anyone fancy a deepstack?

― ken "save-a-finn" c (ken c), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Read that as deepsack and lolled.

After which I read everything else. I'd definitely be interested if I'm in, which I reckon I will be this Sunday.

― I never saw the advantage of peeing while standing. (Upt0eleven), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link

lolol

okay i've emailed them will keep y'all posted.

― ken "save-a-finn" c (ken c), Wednesday, 28 October 2009 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link

what is a deepstack? sure, why not.

― caek, Wednesday, 28 October 2009 17:39 (fourteen years ago) link

deepstack = more chips (but probably will have to pay more rake - i only asked for a regular one this time!

NEWSFLASH and it's done!!!!
ILX POKER TOURNAMENT #7 (?) Sunday 1st Nov 2009 4pm ET/9pm GMT

― ken "save-a-finn" c (ken c), Thursday, 29 October 2009 13:02 (fourteen years ago) link

WSOP final table happening today, btw.

Live coverage if you don't want to wait for ESPN Tuesday - http://www.bluffmagazine.com/live/

― WmC, Saturday, 7 November 2009 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link

Still going on, about 17 hours now. There were 7 players left when I went to bed, down to 4 when I got up about an hour ago. There are 3 now, and there have been a couple of ZOMG YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING ME hands just in the last half hour.

― WmC, Sunday, 8 November 2009 13:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Are we playing tonight, you guys?

― Mark C, Sunday, 8 November 2009 14:30 (fourteen years ago) link

This is from a few minutes ago.

Queen Mary: im not on tilt just cant stand playing with desperate little boys
Queen Mary: will say you at least had something when you bet but the check raise was not called for
Queen Mary: i played fair the whole game didnt resort to the check raise to win a hand
iLikeBeersss: fair?
iLikeBeersss: wtf are you talking about?
Queen Mary: you wouldnt know what that is i like beerasss
iLikeBeersss: there is no fair
Queen Mary: i noticed that
iLikeBeersss: your dumb
Queen Mary: why because im not desperate like you ok
iLikeBeersss: your dumb
iLikeBeersss: this is a dollar buy in
Queen Mary: ha ha ok
Queen Mary: here dont cry you can have it little boy
iLikeBeersss: there are not rules playing poker
iLikeBeersss: it's a mind game
Queen Mary: i would agree but you dont have a mind
iLikeBeersss: lol

I don't know whether I want this woman driven out of Stars for life because she's such a bitch, or if I want her to hang around because she's so easy to read. I think I got a pretty good read on her the other day when I told her she was a crazy trailer park lady with nothing in her life but a bottle of vodka, 52 cats and a bunch of Poker Stars opponents to abuse. She shut up and busted out of that tournament pretty quickly.

― WmC, Sunday, 8 November 2009 20:45 (fourteen years ago) link

Is there a tourney tomorrow night, you guys?

― Mark C, Saturday, 14 November 2009 14:35 (fourteen years ago) link

i might show up, but may not make it. work due monday 9am.

― caek, Saturday, 14 November 2009 14:40 (fourteen years ago) link

I may skip this week. I've been running really bad the last few days and I need a break.

― WmC, Saturday, 14 November 2009 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Will be watching some guys with guitars mostly playing a single E chord. So no.

― George Mucus (ledge), Saturday, 14 November 2009 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I'll be building a turtle habitat tomorrow, doods, but I can play next week.

― you just freaked out more than our director of lols (Pillbox), Saturday, 14 November 2009 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link

No wucks. Maybe next weekend.

― Mark C, Sunday, 15 November 2009 13:37 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

finally, my 1st straight flush yesterday (after 39,444 hands)

― Bob Saget's "Night Moves": C or D (WmC), Sunday, 29 November 2009 18:52 (fourteen years ago) link

are we playing tonight?

― caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm in if we have enough

― caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link

i would play tonight if tis possible?

― DRUNK SWEDISH CHINTZ (Upt0eleven), Sunday, 29 November 2009 19:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'll play today.

― Bob Saget's "Night Moves": C or D (WmC), Sunday, 29 November 2009 19:16 (fourteen years ago) link

ILX POKER TOURNAMENT #7 (?) Sunday 1st Nov 2009 4pm ET/9pm GMT

― caek, Sunday, 29 November 2009 19:17 (fourteen years ago) link

http://pokertube.com/free-poker-videos?movie=12561

― Lamp, Saturday, 12 December 2009 02:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Interesting -- I really don't like FT's SnG structure, but the numbers don't lie -- my ROI and % In the Money are a LOT higher there than at PStars.

― WmC, Monday, 14 December 2009 02:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah but on FT you're at least partly playing against the ILX ><)))'> posse.

― Mark C, Monday, 14 December 2009 12:25 (fourteen years ago) link

totally in -ve ROI territory :((

― I sb'ed your mum (ken c), Monday, 14 December 2009 12:27 (fourteen years ago) link

urgh. I'm on "tilt form" apparently: 4-7 straight losses, I'm told :\

― I sb'ed your mum (ken c), Monday, 14 December 2009 12:30 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Anybody played Rush Poker on FT? I never lost two buy-ins so fast.

― WmC, Thursday, 21 January 2010 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link

i donked around 50nl and won a little playing lol nit and calling weird flop overshoves (saw like a dozen of these ~1 hour of play)

generally h8 both ft and nlhe but it seems like a good way of shaking up lowstakes from dudes 24-tabling and set-mining

― Lamp, Thursday, 21 January 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link

this is kind of fun but scary but yeah guess this suits you if you're a rock? (or a bot lol)

― The smile on my face, disguises the case, I bury the truth deep down in (ken c), Thursday, 21 January 2010 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link

im not sure how much more profitable this is for bots - i mean sure ure playing cards + position but most of the value is postflop - its not that abc isnt going to make u money but itll miss most of the value from ppl flatting 3bets pre and then valuetowning two pair

having put in another hour+ 4-tabling this is crazy fishy - dont know how long itll last but if u can stand the swings its p amazing - theyre adding plo8 apparently lol

― Lamp, Thursday, 21 January 2010 19:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Hmmm.

So maybe I am a NL player now, based on the last few days. (Yeah, small sample size.)

― the end times are coming, but they're just the beginning (WmC), Thursday, 4 February 2010 04:43 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...

heyyy! OUR DAVER is down to the last 3 tables in tonight's daily dollar on ftp! gogogogogogogogogogogogogogogogogogogogogogogogogogogogo

― trip goin' hammer (govern yourself accordingly), Monday, 29 March 2010 07:18 (fourteen years ago) link

false alarm, 14/10,420 - but still, congrats!!

― trip goin' hammer (govern yourself accordingly), Monday, 29 March 2010 08:16 (fourteen years ago) link

So recently taught myself, started playing a bit on games.com and seem to be pretty consistently dominating the rooms I play - can I assume anything about my poker ability from this? I mean I assume I should take no real stakes free rooms with a grain of salt but just wondering.

― hills like white people (Hurting 2), Saturday, 3 April 2010 06:27 (fourteen years ago) link

It's hard to gauge a skill level in play-money games against anyone except the people who play play-money games, which is a small subset of the whole. They're fun for getting a feel for the game, learning how to deal with tilt when some eeedjit playing 83o cracks your KK, learning how "flush draw = 4.1:1 underdog" actually applies in a live situatiion, etc

Time for you to sign up at Full Tilt and join us at the next ILX PWN CUP! (I don't know when that will be tbh.)

― my full government name (WmC), Saturday, 3 April 2010 13:57 (fourteen years ago) link

four months pass...

been on dire straits on fulltilt lately. may as well change my name to mr bubble.

― HOOS' THE BOSS (ken c), Sunday, 8 August 2010 22:20 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Last day in Vegas, finally played some cards. 2+2 message boards recommended the daily tourney @ Sahara -- good structure, soft. $45 + optional $20 rebuy. I think there were 19 or 20 @ the 11 am this morning? We played down to five and chopped. I can def. recommend. Just wait for a hand and get paid. After tipping tourney dealers I'm up $115 -- might play the 7 pm. W00t!

― Donovan Dagnabbit (WmC), Wednesday, 15 September 2010 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link

you should also try the tourneys at o'shea if you fancy some easy money.. usually just a single table full of tourists/students.

― HOOS' THE BOSS (ken c), Thursday, 16 September 2010 15:20 (thirteen years ago) link

oh this may be too late.

― HOOS' THE BOSS (ken c), Thursday, 16 September 2010 15:21 (thirteen years ago) link

I played the 7pm that night...made some loose/stupid calls, busted about 2 hrs in. But I was near the chip lead when the rebuy deadline came, so I passed on that and the tourney only cost $45. So I made $70 on that trip.

A++, will play more live poker.

― If you want me to "get there," pay attention to my angina (WmC), Wednesday, 22 September 2010 18:09 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

whooohoo, after a flat October (up only 24 cents for the month), I won a 90-player SnG tonight. Love seeing those spikes on the bankroll chart.

― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 03:59 (thirteen years ago) link

430% ROI so far this month

beats the Lipper Average iirc

― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Monday, 8 November 2010 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Having good success in 90-player tourneys, but once we reach heads-up, I'm terrible. Winning 14 buy-ins is great, but winning 22 would be greater. Advice on HU play? Would studying HU SnG strategy be the way to go, or is there a different strategy for the HU portion of a larger MTT?

― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:42 (thirteen years ago) link

it would be although depending on what your leak(s) is you might be able to just do some work on your effective ranges vs. standard opponent types in sng wizard & u can avoid playing boring hu sngs.

even if you think youre playing loose you probably just are pushing wide enough fwiw ime

― .gif of the magi (Lamp), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link

*are NOT

― .gif of the magi (Lamp), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 16:53 (thirteen years ago) link

even if you think youre playing loose you probably just are [not] pushing wide enough fwiw ime

I'm sure this is the situation. I need to find a Mac equivalent of SnG Wiz.

― Unfrozen Caveman Board-Lawyer (WmC), Tuesday, 16 November 2010 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Push/fold HU.

― Mark C, Wednesday, 17 November 2010 14:52 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Running so bad lately...the club comes, gives me the ace-high flush...and gives the villain a straight flush. FUCK! A monthlong cooler has got me playing scared and defensive. Hate this game so much right now!

― Kip Squashbeef (pixel farmer), Monday, 3 January 2011 01:32 (thirteen years ago) link

Anyone know any Online Poker sites that aren't rigged to give action hands like flushes, straights and full houses.

Please help me find one. I just want to play free games against other online users while using a fair deck.

― gravity explodes (CaptainLorax), Friday, 7 January 2011 20:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Do ppl really have hard and heavy conversations during the poker meetup, or is it something they have people do during intense conversations during TV and movies so everyone has something to do with their hands/reason to be together & getting real?

― Stop Non-Erotic Cabaret (Abbbottt), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link

In most IRL games I've played in, you could've heard a pin drop 95% of the time.

No one really ever gets confrontational. Someone will pull some weird move and the guy on the spot will lean back and put his arms around his head.

And you're a dick if you even try wearing sunglasses.

― http://tinyurl.com/MO-02011 (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 12 January 2011 04:11 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Playing rational poker is fucking boring.

I've been at a .25/.50 LHE table for twenty minutes and only played two hands outside of checking on blinds, neither of which I should have (A-8 suited, K-6 suited)

― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 7 March 2011 19:01 (thirteen years ago) link

Do ppl really have hard and heavy conversations during the poker meetup, or is it something they have people do during intense conversations during TV and movies so everyone has something to do with their hands/reason to be together & getting real?

Our weekly tournament/game is basically an excuse to drink, smoke and bullshit without going to a bar one night per weekend.

― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Monday, 7 March 2011 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link

Right on; those games are absolutely the best, and nowadays the only form of live poker I can stand, most games have so much awkwardness and ego that they just become unbearable; the 20-something backwards-hat sunglass-wearing type has just really grated on me lately

Anyone know any Online Poker sites that aren't rigged to give action hands like flushes, straights and full houses.
Please help me find one. I just want to play free games against other online users while using a fair deck.

Uhh, no poker site is rigged for action (at least not the ones with a real money element); back in the PartyPoker days people used to argue this all the time when it made absolutely no sense since the poker sites do the best if NO ONE goes broke

― frogbs, Monday, 7 March 2011 19:21 (thirteen years ago) link

Playing rational poker is fucking boring.

I've been at a .25/.50 LHE table for twenty minutes and only played two hands outside of checking on blinds, neither of which I should have (A-8 suited, K-6 suited)

Multitable or try a different game? How many playable hands do you expect to get in 20 minutes?

― Lt. Van Ice Cage (govern yourself accordingly), Monday, 7 March 2011 19:29 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah when playing live the social interaction is what keeps it interesting, online I usually play like 16-20 tables so you can do at least 4

― frogbs, Monday, 7 March 2011 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link

guys. want to get a weekly fulltilt game going again?

― Jlloyd, I'm ready to be heartbroken (ken c), Monday, 7 March 2011 23:39 (thirteen years ago) link

i'd be in for that

― frogbs, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 15:34 (thirteen years ago) link

i haven't played in a looooong time.

― OLD MAN YELLS AT SHOUT RAP (chrisv2010), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 15:36 (thirteen years ago) link

people should not keep these exotics as pets. one day you will get a monkey and it will rip your face off.

― OLD MAN YELLS AT SHOUT RAP (chrisv2010), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Def up for it. Also Lorax, it's the noobs and fish who think online poker's rigged. Hope you join our game ;)

― Mark C, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 15:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Since the last ILX tourney, Stars has created Home Games...we could set up an ILX Home Game and have more flexibility about times/buyins/formats.

― WmC, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 16:17 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i was thinking the same thing, I dont really know much about it but the home games thing seems to cover a lot of bases

― frogbs, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 16:18 (thirteen years ago) link

i have no idea why my post about monkeys ended up here. haha.

― OLD MAN YELLS AT SHOUT RAP (chrisv2010), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 16:26 (thirteen years ago) link

wait can you play for actual $$ in the us again?

― OLD MAN YELLS AT SHOUT RAP (chrisv2010), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 16:27 (thirteen years ago) link

I think Washington (state, not DC) is the only place that has banned online poker? It's not illegal to play, there are just some tricks to putting $$$ in yr acct and cashing out.

― WmC, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link

how does this star thing work? i can set up a stars account then maybe.. is there a rakeback thing for stars?

― Jlloyd, I'm ready to be heartbroken (ken c), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link

that goes to show how longs its been since i played.

― OLD MAN YELLS AT SHOUT RAP (chrisv2010), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link

No rakeback that I know of for Stars.

― WmC, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 16:37 (thirteen years ago) link

i can't play for like the next month, but i would be up for the ilx game again.

― caek, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link

i can play most evenings i think with some prior notice.

― Jlloyd, I'm ready to be heartbroken (ken c), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link

e.g. weds, thurs, sunday evenings

― Jlloyd, I'm ready to be heartbroken (ken c), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 16:43 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah me too, if i feel like taking up this habit/time waster again. it may be harder for me now, since i have a kid.

― OLD MAN YELLS AT SHOUT RAP (chrisv2010), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 16:44 (thirteen years ago) link

making good progress on the bankroll playing cash games lately. seems really easy to find one or two fish to target on each table. fold everything except if i have the goods with them and then pull back the line for a double up. not really testing ones poker ability i suppose?

― Jlloyd, I'm ready to be heartbroken (ken c), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 16:58 (thirteen years ago) link

you generally have to use echecks now to deposit

stars is a great site but yeah they don't have rakeback (though there is a reload right now), instead they do this VPP program that is kind of like rakeback, but it only really approaches the standard 27-40% levels if you're a high volume player. you won't get anything like 33% but the upshot is that stars really is the best poker site in so many ways and has a huge pool. give and take I guess

― frogbs, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 17:02 (thirteen years ago) link

making good progress on the bankroll playing cash games lately. seems really easy to find one or two fish to target on each table. fold everything except if i have the goods with them and then pull back the line for a double up. not really testing ones poker ability i suppose?

it was really easy to do this in the early days, but you don't really find those "all in with top pair no matter what" players anymore. you have to learn to beat the regs

― frogbs, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 17:03 (thirteen years ago) link

hmm fulltilt are full of them or maybe they're just regs and i have gotten better? i wonder if the time of the day makes a difference too

― Jlloyd, I'm ready to be heartbroken (ken c), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 17:56 (thirteen years ago) link

that may be but the old style of "play really trappy" doesn't work the way it used to, even the fish know how to do things like pot control now.

time of day does make a difference...friday/saturday/sunday are the best times

― frogbs, Tuesday, 8 March 2011 17:58 (thirteen years ago) link

I would be down for home games to lose money to ILXors. I'm available for a while some afternoons and most late evenings (CST, Texas)

― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Tuesday, 8 March 2011 18:25 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Online Poker's Big Three Indicted

― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Friday, 15 April 2011 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link

Can still play real-money games on Full Tilt, for the moment.

― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Friday, 15 April 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link

i wonder how many people are playing way above the roll right now

― Suicide Demo for Kemba Walker (govern yourself accordingly), Friday, 15 April 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link

their roll i mean

― Suicide Demo for Kemba Walker (govern yourself accordingly), Friday, 15 April 2011 20:01 (thirteen years ago) link

What, just spewing because they think they'll never be able to cash out?

― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Friday, 15 April 2011 20:23 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah

not that i'd know anything about that :x

― Suicide Demo for Kemba Walker (govern yourself accordingly), Friday, 15 April 2011 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

what the ffffffffffffffffffffffffff

holy shit this sucks hard

i don't doubt we'll be able to get our money back but this is really bad for me

― frogbs, Friday, 15 April 2011 22:19 (thirteen years ago) link

i wish san te were here to talk about this

― jeff, Friday, 15 April 2011 22:52 (thirteen years ago) link

ok i'm kind of freaking out now, apparently checks are bouncing and I was counting on this money for the down payment to the place i'm buying...this could totally screw me...BUT online poker is so big...they can't just confiscate the money can they?

― frogbs, Friday, 15 April 2011 23:08 (thirteen years ago) link

there's got to be quite a few people (poker pros mainly) with millions or close to it on these sites, essentially using them as banks, right?

― we the_best (Clay), Friday, 15 April 2011 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah there's a ridiculous amount of money on there

― frogbs, Friday, 15 April 2011 23:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Just submitted a request to pull out the $75 I had in PokerStars. Hope it goes through.

― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Saturday, 16 April 2011 00:00 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.thegreatmortgagerevolt.com/wp-content/uploads/image/run-on-the-savings-and-loan-or-bank.jpg

Full Tilt this evening.

― Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 16 April 2011 00:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Cashed out my $160 at Stars a couple of hours ago...requested a check instead of a transfer. Not sure why...giving them my checking acct details just feels unsafe right now.

― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Saturday, 16 April 2011 00:20 (thirteen years ago) link

Rumor is that the indicted sites are going to shut down worldwide within the next 48 hrs, even in countries where they operate legally.

― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Saturday, 16 April 2011 00:29 (thirteen years ago) link

Meet The Boy Genius Who Just Took Down The Online Poker Industry

― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Saturday, 16 April 2011 00:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Just got email from Stars, the cashout request is being processed. Hope the check doesn't bounce.

― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Saturday, 16 April 2011 03:57 (thirteen years ago) link

i haven't played in a couple years but this kinda sucks. don't really care about the money i've still got on fulltilt, i feel like the 'right' thing to do is just wait til this blows over and see how i can get it back then, rather than making a run at it and ending up with a check that won't be accepted by US banks

― ciderpress, Saturday, 16 April 2011 04:52 (thirteen years ago) link

it doesn't let me cash out, lol

btw from what I heard the checks issued in the last few days are bouncing, so let me know if any of them come through

― frogbs, Saturday, 16 April 2011 13:23 (thirteen years ago) link

I may just frame mine instead of risking an NSF fee.

― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Saturday, 16 April 2011 14:05 (thirteen years ago) link

lol one of my online poker buddies JUST quit his job this friday in order to go full-time
can't get owned harder than that

― frogbs, Saturday, 16 April 2011 14:06 (thirteen years ago) link

woo i lost all of my money on fulltilt a few weeks ago and never reloaded.

― Jlloyd, I'm ready to be heartbroken (ken c), Saturday, 16 April 2011 14:23 (thirteen years ago) link

Maybe a home-game scene will start to develop around here now.

― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Saturday, 16 April 2011 14:26 (thirteen years ago) link

how will we play our ilx game now?

maybe i'll start a server

― Jlloyd, I'm ready to be heartbroken (ken c), Saturday, 16 April 2011 14:27 (thirteen years ago) link

lol last line of linked article:
"...as the Courier Mail put it, if this were still the old days, he'd buried in the Las Vegas desert right now"

― night mode (margins), Saturday, 16 April 2011 14:28 (thirteen years ago) link

like all your money

― night mode (margins), Saturday, 16 April 2011 14:29 (thirteen years ago) link

no kidding, but I doubt anything will be done about him
I mean look at Russ Hamilton, who directly stole millions from poker players, he's still alive and playing golf
still, fuck this guy, fuck the poker sites for pissing off the man with the info to bring you down

I guess maybe there will be a positive out of all this, this should lead to regulation right??

― frogbs, Saturday, 16 April 2011 14:35 (thirteen years ago) link

I think it will eventually. This is just the process of tearing down a bunch of houses to put up a mall.

― The Louvin Spoonful (WmC), Saturday, 16 April 2011 14:43 (thirteen years ago) link

Hey guys. Been hanging out at the hottest poker site on the Web:

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/8126/screenshot20110416at956.png

― Pleasant Plains, Saturday, 16 April 2011 14:58 (thirteen years ago) link

acewhiskey needs to work on his bankroll management

― Jlloyd, I'm ready to be heartbroken (ken c), Sunday, 17 April 2011 03:02 (thirteen years ago) link

That used to be high-rolling! Then AceWhiskey stopped playing Yahoo Games in 2004 and the rest of the world done passed him by.

― Pleasant Plains, Sunday, 17 April 2011 03:39 (thirteen years ago) link

I guess if checks are bouncing, I'm probably fucked on the money I had on PokerStars.

― boots get knocked from here to czechoslovakier (milo z), Sunday, 17 April 2011 07:34 (thirteen years ago) link

Part of me thinks I should cancel this PS cashout until the situation is a little more stable -- right now, there's a run on the bank, so to speak. After things settle down a little, Stars may put some more resources into covering cashouts so they don't freak out their remaining legal players. Y/N?

― the wages of sin is about tree fiddy (WmC), Sunday, 17 April 2011 18:41 (thirteen years ago) link

most of the advice i've heard is to just sit tight with stars and fulltilt, and try to get your money later after this blows over

― ciderpress, Sunday, 17 April 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link

kind of a long read, but Ron Paul is definitely OTM with this:

Hearing on HR 2267: the Internet Gambling Regulation, Consumer Protection, and Enforcement Act

July 20, 2010

Ron Paul: Thank you Mr. Chairman for holding this hearing on HR 2267, the Internet Gambling Regulation, Consumer Protection, and Enforcement Act. While it is out of character for me, to say the least, to support a bill that regulates private transactions, I support HR 2267 because it repeals the ban on Internet gambling. The bill does not create any new federal laws; it merely establishes a process to ensure that gambling sites can comply with existing laws, and thus offer their services to adults who wish to gamble online.

The ban on Internet gambling infringes upon two freedoms that are important to many Americans: the ability to do with their money as they see fit, and the freedom from government interference with the Internet.

The proper role of the federal government is not that of a nanny, protecting citizens from any and every potential negative consequence of their actions. Although I personally believe gambling to be a dumb waste of money, American citizens should be just as free to spend their money playing online poker as they should be able to buy a used car, enter into a mortgage, or invest in a hedge fund. Risk is inherent in any economic activity, and it is not for the government to determine which risky behaviors Americans may or may not engage in.

The Internet is a powerful tool, and any censorship of Internet activity sets a dangerous precedent. Many Americans rely on the Internet for activities as varied as watching basketball games, keeping up on international news broadcasts, or buying food and clothing. In the last few years we have seen ominous signs of the federal government’s desire to control the Internet. The ostensible reasons are to protect Americans from sex offenders, terrorists, and the evils of gambling, but once the door is open to government intrusion, there is no telling what legitimate activity, especially political activity, might fall afoul of government authorities.

The ban on Internet gambling also forces financial institutions to act as law enforcement officers. This is another pernicious trend that has accelerated in the aftermath of the Patriot Act, the deputization of private businesses to perform intrusive enforcement and surveillance functions that the federal government is unwilling to perform on its own.

Mr. Chairman, while I am willing to support HR 2267 as a means to repeal the total ban on internet gambling, I urge my colleagues to oppose any attempt to tax internet gambling. Taxing any commercial transition, including gambling, is an unwarranted expansion of the taxing power and will cripple the development of internet commerce. Furthermore, since the power to tax is the power to destroy, imposing taxes on internet gambling could simply morph into a backdoor way of banning gambling on the internet. If opponents of the internet gambling ban are serious about expanding individual liberty, they will oppose restricting the freedom of internet users to do what they want with their time and property by imposing taxes on the bill.

In conclusion, I urge my colleagues to support Chairman Frank’s HR 2267. While not perfect these bills will take a step toward liberty by restoring the right of Americans to decide for them whether or not to gamble online.

― frogbs, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:12 (thirteen years ago) link

I'll be honest and say that I only paid taxes on my gambling winnings one year. The first two years I didn't even think I had to pay in on that, my taxes were super simple and I was young, so yeah whatever. I paid the next year, then the UIGEA came and fucked everything, since then my profits have not really been so high (maybe like $7-8k a year?)

My problem with taxation on winnings is that current laws are completely ass-backwards on this - it's not just "how much did you net, pay taxes on that", it's "record every winning session as income and deduct the losses". Essentially you're asking me to report an extra $300k in income with a $293k deduction, which moves me into the highest tax bracket, wiping out all my profits. Of course my position on this is that the money has ALREADY been taxed; I mean I pay 30% or so income tax, so do my opponents...if he wins from me why does he have to pay taxes on money that was already taxed?

― frogbs, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:16 (thirteen years ago) link

btw just to clarify I'm talking about doing it the proper way, as opposed to my recent method of "guess"

― frogbs, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:19 (thirteen years ago) link

I think you'd have trouble defending the idea of a clearly defined chunk of money that gets taxed as income and then has done its tax work. What about sales tax when you buy something with your already taxed income? And then the tax that the shopkeeper has to pay, since after all your money is income to him. Then he dies and leaves some to his kids, and it gets inheritance taxed. Then they pay it as wages to the workers in the businesses they run...

― standing on the shoulders of pissants (ledge), Monday, 18 April 2011 14:31 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah exactly, I'm not saying this is the only way in which our tax system is backwards, sales tax I don't mind because it's not much, but IMO this is mostly the same concept

taxing poker accounts is such a weird area because there are so many different points of taxation which you need to look at. obviously, you're hoping the government doesn't want to fleece their citizens and create a situation in which players who lost money on the year would have to pay in. I have a friend who went on a huge run and made about $8000 in a couple of weeks, but donked back $6000 of it and I would think lost about $3000 more through the course of the next year (PartyPoker, lol). Technically he still had to pay in on the $8k he won but can deduct the money he lost next year...however he didn't really have an income then so the end result (had he paid up proper) would be him losing money on poker, then paying taxes on the money he later lost and not really being able to deduct it later; I guess an equivilent for say, stock traders, would be to pay taxes on your "earnings" every time your stocks go up, then deduct every time they go down.

The other issue is that people in general are just not going to freely pay taxes on their winnings if they're not making a living off it. If a guy sells a TV in the paper for $400 I think there is about a 0.05% chance he's actually going to report that as income.

― frogbs, Monday, 18 April 2011 14:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Stars, Tilt domains restored so the operators can start cashing out US players.

― the wages of sin is about tree fiddy (WmC), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 19:49 (thirteen years ago) link

smh

how do they expect them to PAY the players exactly

― Suicide Demo for Kemba Walker (govern yourself accordingly), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 19:53 (thirteen years ago) link

I can't imagine they're not sitting on boatloads of revenue.

― the wages of sin is about tree fiddy (WmC), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link

nah, i mean in practical terms - like, via the check processors they just shut down?

― Suicide Demo for Kemba Walker (govern yourself accordingly), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 20:00 (thirteen years ago) link

also: imo all this is going to do, assuming the inevitability of a Notional US-Friendly Online Poker Site run by a casino/state lottery/etc, is either create a huge unregulated black market for person-to-person transfers/Paypal transactions to evade taxation (which was already how tons of people were getting money on and off ftp/stars for years if their bank/CC company didn't honor them) or encourage chip dumping - there's no way this is going to work as smoothly as they think, not with this much infrastructure to support a poker shadow economy already in place

― Suicide Demo for Kemba Walker (govern yourself accordingly), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 20:06 (thirteen years ago) link

/fills out 1099-misc for winning a $3 rebuy

― Suicide Demo for Kemba Walker (govern yourself accordingly), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 20:07 (thirteen years ago) link

That's pretty much it. I'd love to see something where you only have to report if you make over $50k a year or something. I just can't see how taxing the casual players is ever going to work out, especially since the tax laws are so sketchy and rely on terminology like "session" which could mean anything in the internet age.

BTW I'm really happy about the news; definitely could use that money now!! My last check bounced but I hope it all gets striaghtened out. Kinda shocked that the DOJ is doing the right thing here!!

― frogbs, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 20:22 (thirteen years ago) link

Got an email from Stars Cashier about 30 minutes ago, cashout unsuccessful.

Got another email five minutes ago:

Dear (username),

We were very pleased to receive the news today that allows US players to cash out their real money balances.

In response to this update, the Cashout Option in the PokerStars Cashier will be temporarily closed to allow us to prepare the technical solutions and formulate the plan and processes required to allow you to cash out your balance.

In the interim, any pending cashouts have been returned to your account in order to ensure players have the opportunity to cash out orderly. Please be assured, US player balances are safe. We will notify all US players as soon as the cashier is available again.

Providing you with the facility to cash out is our top priority right now, and hopefully all US players will be able to cash out via the PokerStars Cashier in the near future. We apologize for the temporary delay, and sincerely appreciate your patience and cooperation, as we continue working towards providing you with a solution to cash out.

Regards,

PokerStars Support

― the wages of sin is about tree fiddy (WmC), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 21:36 (thirteen years ago) link

Looks like cashouts are a go at Stars.

― the wages of sin is about tree fiddy (WmC), Tuesday, 26 April 2011 22:49 (twelve years ago) link

Got my check from Stars in today's mail.

― Stomp! in the name of love (WmC), Monday, 9 May 2011 17:46 (twelve years ago) link

one month passes...

well now

― ize cræm (Lamp), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 15:03 (twelve years ago) link

well, crap

― the presidential candidate inside me (WmC), Wednesday, 29 June 2011 16:19 (twelve years ago) link

two weeks pass...

ESPN's "live" WSOP main event coverage is 100x more entertaining than the edited Tuesday night packages.

― Josef K-Doe (WmC), Saturday, 16 July 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link

two months pass...

anyone else on here have a big chunk of money stuck on Full Tilt?

really dumb to call this a 'Ponzi' scheme, but damn was that company poorly run

― frogbs, Monday, 26 September 2011 18:04 (twelve years ago) link

i think i still had like sixty bucks, so no

― this display name must in some way reference laurel halo (Lamp), Monday, 26 September 2011 18:26 (twelve years ago) link

$102 and change -- I assume it went up one of the main dudes' nose last year

― Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Monday, 26 September 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

pokers lame

― conrad, Monday, 26 September 2011 18:35 (twelve years ago) link

you're lame for not playing

― Antonio Carlos Broheem (WmC), Monday, 26 September 2011 18:43 (twelve years ago) link

ten months pass...

poker companies settle us fraud charges

― just sayin, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 11:14 (eleven years ago) link

Saw that last night, good news. I hope the govt. has kept everybody's account details, because I can't remember how much I had down to the exact penny. Should have taken a screen shot on Black Friday.

― Your sweet bippy is going to hell (WmC), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 12:08 (eleven years ago) link

I'm lucky that I mostly moved over to Stars by then but I am a little upset that all those player points I got from endless HORSE sessions are pretty much kaputt

― frogbs, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:15 (eleven years ago) link

two months pass...

kinda wish there was still such thing as internet poker

― lag∞n, Sunday, 7 October 2012 17:51 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

Finally got my 108 bucks from Full Tilt.

― Corporal Clegg, you've got a lovely daughter (WilliamC), Wednesday, 12 March 2014 21:56 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

I've been stimming on zynga poker.

― calstars, Tuesday, 24 June 2014 13:36 (nine years ago) link

two months pass...

My playing days seem like about 3 lifetimes ago. The last time I really worked hard studying a thing and getting better at it. Fuck you, Sheldon Adelson or whoever made Black Friday happen.

― Malibu Stasi (WilliamC), Friday, 19 September 2014 20:19 (nine years ago) link

ten months pass...

Anyone still playing? I made a deposit on Bovada last month, been enjoying playing there so far. Depositing is a real hassle, you have to get one of those temporary Visa cards and there are a lot of fees - I think they charge between 4.9% and 6.9% due to all the processors they have to use. Luckily they waive it for the first deposit, plus give you a (fairly difficult to clear) 100% match bonus.

It's an interesting site - games are totally anonymous, players don't have names, just numbered by seat position. You can take notes but they disappear after the player leaves. Furthermore you can only play four tables at once, so it's not like say Carbon where the same regs would be at literally every table for a stake. Tracking software doesn't really work, you need a converter and even still you can only really see your own stats. As a result the player pool is pretty weak, I'm seeing some plays that remind me of the old Party days, and the full ring tables are limp city. Getting back into this still feels weird but I'm having fun!

― frogbs, Monday, 20 July 2015 02:35 (eight years ago) link

five months pass...

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2016/01/antonio-esfandiari-to-donate-50000-to-charity-23798.htm

^^this is my favorite poker story in forever

― frogbs, Wednesday, 13 January 2016 14:20 (eight years ago) link

nine months pass...

lol wtf nguyen doin

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 2 November 2016 01:11 (seven years ago) link

man that was a sick hand

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 2 November 2016 01:29 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

after running so good this whole week i got coolered out of this satellite tourney this afternoon. UTG+2 opens, i 3 bet to a good size in hijack with KK, button flats, opener flats. flop comes AK9 rainbow, opener checks, i decide to slow play my set and check, button checks. turn bricks, original opener leads out, i shove, button calls with AA. guy rivers quads just for good measure. maybe 3-handed i should have bet flop to charge straight draws and get value from an ace, but no matter what i did i was losing most of my stack anyway

― k3vin k., Tuesday, 31 January 2017 21:08 (seven years ago) link

honestly it was a pretty bad flat by button, you should pretty much always 4 bet aces when there's 2 other players in the pot imo

― k3vin k., Tuesday, 31 January 2017 21:27 (seven years ago) link

three months pass...

hi folks,
started playing a few online "home games" with friends on pokerstar on sunday nights (20:30 UTC). Currently get around 5-6 players would be fun to have a couple more! Buy in between $5 and $10

let me know if you're interested in joining in.

― ^ 諷刺 (ken c), Sunday, 21 May 2017 19:01 (six years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/dougpolkpoker/live

my favorite poker player dude is livestreaming a 5k final table, and has a lottery going for 5% of his profit

― k3vin k., Monday, 22 May 2017 03:33 (six years ago) link

also he's getting pretty drunk lol

― k3vin k., Monday, 22 May 2017 03:35 (six years ago) link

yeah Doug Polk is pretty great, one of the few who's legit fun to watch

any US people still playing? I'm going strong on Ignition, for the time being

― frogbs, Monday, 22 May 2017 03:53 (six years ago) link

The only thing I know about poker that is worth knowing is the old truism, that if you don't know who is the easy mark at the table, it's you.

― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 22 May 2017 05:21 (six years ago) link

one thing I've started to gravitate towards is the idea that the four pillars of poker are Position, Hand Strength, Aggression, and Pot Odds, and you need at least two of them to make any hand worth playing

starting to get into PLO a lot more...doing well though I am sure I have no idea what I'm doing. that said I don't think anyone else does either.

― frogbs, Monday, 22 May 2017 18:40 (six years ago) link

PLO is so much fun but so easy to be bad at

― k3vin k., Monday, 22 May 2017 19:14 (six years ago) link

polk won that tournament last night btw, 271k

― k3vin k., Monday, 22 May 2017 19:15 (six years ago) link

wow good on him. definitely one of the most likeable of the newer crop of internet players.

what's really struck me about PLO is just how much different it is than regular NLHE. its such a post-flop game, you really can't ever be more than a 60% favorite before the flop and you can't win big pots if you whiff on it. thus far my "edge" is just noticing which players are unwilling to bet anything but the nuts and which ones get too gung ho about their low straights and flushes. not to mention sticking to the basic principles of aggression and position which people seem to forget in favor of a "limp every hand" strategy.

― frogbs, Monday, 22 May 2017 19:26 (six years ago) link

doug polk and daniel negreanu seated next to each other at the feature table of the 111k WSOP one drop. doug is wearing a "more rake is better" t shirt

― k3vin k., Saturday, 3 June 2017 21:58 (six years ago) link

is that online somewhere?

― Clay, Saturday, 3 June 2017 22:03 (six years ago) link

that is one of the best things i've ever heard

― Kozelek, Saturday, 3 June 2017 22:04 (six years ago) link

clay a bunch of the WSOP events are being live streamed on the pokergo app and pokergo.com. it's 10 bucks a month or 99 for a year. the main event will be free

― k3vin k., Saturday, 3 June 2017 22:10 (six years ago) link

oh thx, i don't keep up like i used to but nice to dive into a tourney on a cloudy saturday

― Clay, Saturday, 3 June 2017 22:18 (six years ago) link

both doug polk and haralabob make the final table of the 111k one drop

― k3vin k., Monday, 5 June 2017 03:07 (six years ago) link

doug won and bob got 4th!

― k3vin k., Tuesday, 6 June 2017 11:14 (six years ago) link

aw man the coverage last year on the wsop site was so good
looks like tuchman only doing a lil bit of the coverage on pokergo
think i'm going to leave it, might be tempted with the 10k HORSE final table

seems like a nice wsop so far tho, good to see kurganov win his first bracelet (with liv boeree too + half prize money going to charities)

― nxd, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 12:10 (six years ago) link

10k omaha 8 final 17 look like a good bunch
cheering for ray d. obvs

― nxd, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 12:11 (six years ago) link

its been a good couple of months for Doug Polk huh

― frogbs, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 13:12 (six years ago) link

don't really follow players online what's gone down?
i'm trying to catch up on scoop via twitch streams so am v v much behind!

― nxd, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 13:15 (six years ago) link

oh sweet there's an 8 hour vid of his final table :)

― nxd, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 13:17 (six years ago) link

anyone still playing online? what games/stakes are people on ?

― frogbs, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 14:30 (six years ago) link

Nah, Black Friday took all the wind out of my sails.

― a warm bowl of soap (WilliamC), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link

play every now and again on pokerstars
just $4ish tourneys - whatever game is going
play live a few times a week which is enough for me really

― nxd, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 15:00 (six years ago) link

I'm still going on Ignition. I kinda like anon poker since it means I don't have to dick around with HUDs and I don't have a whole lot of time to study opponent tendencies and w/e. So its nice to just not have to do it. Plus the playerbase seems pretty soft. Downside is the software is absolutely atrocious.

― frogbs, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 16:19 (six years ago) link

ha I think we're very different players, don't use any software and just go on betting patterns online, hold em is hard for it - think my only two big tournament wins this past year have been in horse and badugi

― nxd, Tuesday, 6 June 2017 22:35 (six years ago) link

honestly I hated having to deal with a HUD and a database. must've been how baseball players must've felt in the 90's - it just seemed like cheating to me, but I knew I was leaving a lot of money on the table if I didn't get one. it definitely helped my game a lot, to the point where I wished I had gotten one years ago. but I would much prefer the world where no one gets to use it.

those HORSE tournaments are the thing I miss most about Stars. Ignition offers PLO and PLO8 but that's it. and there are not a whole lot of players there. if Stars came back I'd probably stay the hell away from Hold Em, the players there are just way too good these days

― frogbs, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 04:19 (six years ago) link

negreanu mosseri heads up in 10k plo8!

― nxd, Wednesday, 7 June 2017 10:32 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

riding a pretty sick heater right now. i moved up to 2/5 a month and a half ago and am +922 BB in 79 hours since then

― k3vin k., Sunday, 23 July 2017 16:28 (six years ago) link

very nice

― nxd, Monday, 24 July 2017 08:37 (six years ago) link

well done, that's a solid chunk

this month has been swingy as hell for me, I've had two crazy heaters followed by two crushing downswings. probably gonna finish short of my goal but hey, any month in the plus column is a good month right?

― frogbs, Monday, 24 July 2017 13:52 (six years ago) link

four months pass...

relatively sure that doug polk has developed a cocaine habit

― k3vin k., Friday, 8 December 2017 13:40 (six years ago) link

well he did say he was going 100 days without drinking, and despite being relatively well-adjusted that's gotta be pretty difficult in that world

― frogbs, Friday, 8 December 2017 14:36 (six years ago) link

he's lost over 20 pounds in a couple of weeks and his videos are becoming more and more unhinged

― k3vin k., Friday, 8 December 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link

oh dear
i think the last one i saw was him ripping alex torelli

― nxd, Friday, 8 December 2017 16:33 (six years ago) link

worth mentioning that he's big on the cryptocurrency thing (which is why I muted him on Twitter) and things have been going absolutely nutso there. bad time to quit drinking imo

― frogbs, Friday, 8 December 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link

his beefs have annoyed me for a while but there is a definite change in his mood and editing quality lately, it's concerning!

― k3vin k., Friday, 8 December 2017 16:36 (six years ago) link

seven months pass...

they interviewed that guy miles' mom and she basically compared cheering for him as he played poker to supporting a drug habit or something

― k3vin k., Sunday, 15 July 2018 02:47 (five years ago) link

commentary is lol norman chad is ranting about how he can name all the times aces has lost in the final hand in the main event, antonio is like 80% solid analysis 20% borderline soul-crushing digs at norman, lon I haven't quite figured out how to nail down even after all these years as anything other than just a solid dad, like if mitt romney smoked weed or something

― k3vin k., Sunday, 15 July 2018 02:50 (five years ago) link

been watching for the last hour or so. pretty boring hands thus far. who should i be pulling for here?

― Hall of Fam (Spottie), Sunday, 15 July 2018 05:32 (five years ago) link

right on cue big hand by miles there

― Hall of Fam (Spottie), Sunday, 15 July 2018 05:35 (five years ago) link

if I could add up the number of hours of my life I’ve spent listening to norm and lon I’d prob spiral into a really serious depression

― Clay, Sunday, 15 July 2018 05:40 (five years ago) link

Never add up the time you spend on anything, none of it sounds good in that light

― devops mom (silby), Sunday, 15 July 2018 05:41 (five years ago) link

only time worth adding up is time spent on ILH

― Hall of Fam (Spottie), Sunday, 15 July 2018 05:42 (five years ago) link

every moment a gem

― Clay, Sunday, 15 July 2018 06:23 (five years ago) link

tapped out about 1am, this went on till 8 eastern apparently!

― k3vin k., Sunday, 15 July 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link

some absolute titans clashing at the final table of the 1M one drop tonight. sick sick sick hand fedor won 20 mins ago to bust rick salomon and byron kaverman

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 18 July 2018 02:18 (five years ago) link

lon just referred to fedor vs bonomo as ali-frazier and honestly it is

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 18 July 2018 04:39 (five years ago) link

true that
bonomo now overtaken negreanu all time live tourney $$$!
$25 million is 2018 alone!

― nxd, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 08:45 (five years ago) link

damn... Negreanu's been on top of that list for a long time hasn't he?

didn't watch this but Fedor vs. Bonomo seems like a must-see HU match. I watched the Super High Roller bowl tourney that involved a lot of those players and it was awesome watching poker being played at such a crazy high level. and Kevin Hart too.

― frogbs, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 13:26 (five years ago) link

had to go to bed finally but it was just a sick match, at one point fedor overbet like 6 rivers in 15 hands or something, these guys were out there throwing haymakers

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 18 July 2018 14:16 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

some pretty crazy shit going on here

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/mike-postle-cheating-allegations-1753388/

basically, there is this guy named Mike Postle who plays on a 5/5 streamed game at Stones, who has been running insanely good, cashing at a rate of 220bb/100 (for reference, in a live game 15bb/100 is generally seen as "crushing it"). this has gone on for nearly 2 years before someone noticed something very strange about the way the guy was playing. he is consistently taking lines that are absolutely ridiculous - he plays nearly 50% of his hands (which no winning player can do), takes the correct river line 100% of the line (lol) and makes the most ridiculous bluffs, which just so happen to be correct every single time. a number of his plays make absolutely 0 sense unless you happen to know your opponent's exact hands. the theory is that this guy somehow got access to the RFID info that is broadcasting these hands. probably could have gotten away with it too but he makes it so incredibly blatant.

― frogbs, Wednesday, 2 October 2019 12:58 (four years ago) link

yeah I’ve been following this too. guy is clearly a cheat, and a dumb one

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 2 October 2019 20:40 (four years ago) link

@Mike_Postle @AndreasFroehli @Joeingram1 @berkey11 @scott_seiver @haralabob @DougPolkPoker

I apologize in advance for how long this is going to be, but after what i have witnessed in the past 24+ hours, i couldn't sit on the sidelines any longer without giving My 2 cents. First
— Nick_Rice (@NickRic06274872) October 2, 2019

lol

― k3vin k., Thursday, 3 October 2019 02:40 (four years ago) link

ha watched a montage of his hits and it's pretty ridic

― nxd, Thursday, 3 October 2019 10:01 (four years ago) link

I mean the numbers speak for themselves - he's winning at a greater rate than Potripper (the Absolute Poker superuser who stole a ton of money from pros), he never screws up on the river, he wins nearly every single session (EXCEPT when the dude who runs Stones is in Vegas? WTF?!?) - the odds of someone going on this kind of streak is like, hitting the Powerball 5 times in a row. Especially playing the way he does.

What gets me about this is not just the obvious stuff - like, knowing when you're beat and when you can bluff obviously is worth a ton of money in itself, but he takes it a step further and takes lines that make zero sense UNLESS you knew exactly what your opponents are holding. The AK vs AK vs 54 3 way all in hand with Moneymaker is a good example of that, even if his "expertise" in live reads tells him his opponents don't have a premium hand there, there's still a good chance they show up with something like, I dunno, pocket 8s, which has you completely crushed. It's just so dumb. And there are dozens of examples like that.

IMO the most damning hand is the 95o one. It's a 3-way pot and he somehow gets 120 BBs in with 95o against an all-in player with 64 and another player with AQ, who he is quite deep against. The flop comes J93 and he open shoves 600bbs into the dry side pot. It is one of the most spewy plays I have ever seen and the only way it makes sense is if you somehow knew that the all-in player couldn't beat 9 high and that the other player did not have 99+ (and, even knowing this, it still might not be a profitable move!) But there's more - so he bets the AQ out and they run out the board. The turn card is a 7, which gives the 64 an inside straight draw. You clearly hear Postle say, "oh shit!" - even though the cards have not been flipped up yet. It's pretty much case closed based on that one hand alone.

― frogbs, Thursday, 3 October 2019 13:57 (four years ago) link

The best clip of his I've seen so far is the one where he bets $5,000 with A2 on a QQ45 flop in an uncapped 1/3 game. Nothing suspicious there.

I also like how, in his defense, people have started claiming that the RFID readers at their table make mistakes, so his non-showdown hands aren't necessarily what's displayed on the livestream - which, sure, if you believe that a mistaken RFID value is going to be something like "seven of clubs" instead of a UUID (or more likely something SHA-1 encrypted).

― the portentous pepper (govern yourself accordingly), Thursday, 3 October 2019 17:23 (four years ago) link

Although given the fact that what's going on here almost definitely involves somebody intercepting RFID signals, probably not SHA-1, lol

― the portentous pepper (govern yourself accordingly), Thursday, 3 October 2019 17:24 (four years ago) link

Watching some of this is distributing. I own RFID Tech & let me tell you graphics almost NEVER misread a hand, you'd have to have misregistered a card, meaning it would consistently be wrong. https://t.co/Hv2Nvn0Wlj
— Matt Berkey (@berkey11) October 1, 2019

― the portentous pepper (govern yourself accordingly), Thursday, 3 October 2019 17:28 (four years ago) link

You might be giving him too much credit - he seems to have an inside man and if so it is almost certainly that Justin Kuraitis dude who runs the room (during the 2 weeks Justin was in Vegas he played a much different style and actually lost a few sessions). some plausible theories I've heard is that he has access to the actual live stream on his phone or that he's got something stuffed in his hat that is telling him the hands via Bluetooth. someone noticed that his hat while he's playing is a different shape than his hat when he's doing interviews. also worth mentioning that he always seems to sit in seats 1 or 2 which are conveniently the ones that are on-camera the least.

the "RFID error" thing is curious - during that TT vs 88 hand where they both have full houses (and Mike somehow only loses about 200 bucks), apparently it was Justin himself who informed the commentators that he actually had 87, which makes his play a lot more sensible. more than that I think the commentators are speculating it's getting the cards wrong because his play makes no sense otherwise. (unless, y'know, he's cheating)

― frogbs, Thursday, 3 October 2019 18:04 (four years ago) link

producer of Live at the Bike makes an interesting point:

This just occurred to me so I have to speak up

Shows are produced live & air on delay, so the booth can never know that someone’s cards are wrong. Unless a player says so later, which would be 15/30 min later after it airs. How can the graphics person know cards are wrong live?
— Ryan Feldman (@TheRyanFeldman) October 3, 2019

This tells me someone working in the booth forced them to change the cards for some reason while producing the hand. Player can never tell booth during the hand. Once it’s produced live, you can’t change the graphics when it airs. Poker GFX is pushed thru OBS live. Impossible.
— Ryan Feldman (@TheRyanFeldman) October 3, 2019

This is regarding the 69o hand that was mysteriously changed to 89ss during the hand. I work on a broadcast that is produced the same way, so I know this is impossible. Why would someone change the cards while the hand is happening? Huge red flag
— Ryan Feldman (@TheRyanFeldman) October 3, 2019

Literally zero reason, zero chance. I can’t think of any reason. We might suspect something is weird about a hand but we would never change the cards. Only if cards are shown down and the camera sees the cards are wrong, then we can edit it before clearing the graphics.
— Ryan Feldman (@TheRyanFeldman) October 3, 2019

― frogbs, Thursday, 3 October 2019 18:11 (four years ago) link

many xps yeah the 95o one was the nail in the coffin for me. calling pre was bad enough but to lead jam the flop there is ridiculous

― k3vin k., Thursday, 3 October 2019 23:57 (four years ago) link

effectively revealing that you know he has 64 before the cards are even flipped up is pretty damning too. he seems to forget that he's not supposed to know what his opponent's cards are yet.

its just disappointing that the board didn't come completely blank because I'm curious what he would have done. would he be shameless enough to bluff at a dry side pot and win with 9 high?

― frogbs, Friday, 4 October 2019 00:19 (four years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixqxi9Aq84Y

sportscenter on the case now

― k3vin k., Friday, 4 October 2019 06:50 (four years ago) link

Assuming no actual, physical evidence comes out (and nobody rolls over) I wonder if there's any chance this dude gets prosecuted. or if Stones has any liability to the players cheated.

I tried to explain this to a friend yesterday. It is like if there was a golfer who, for the last 2 years, was constantly shooting 40s. But he can only do it at this one course, which strangely is the only place he ever plays. Despite being apparently the greatest golfer in history, he has never given any thought to going pro. Not only that but his clubs are old and his swing looks like shit. He takes weird angles that no professional golfer would even think about. The course is set up so that, conceivably, someone could quickly swap out a ball and move it way closer to the pin. No one's been caught doing that, but drives keep magically appearing on the green. Every time. He also happens to be good friends with the owner of the course. And for whatever reason, whenever the owner's gone, he suddenly becomes average.

Now you know this guy is 100% cheating. No doubt about it. But do you have any evidence? If you lost a ton of money betting with this guy, is there any real recourse for you? Is "no one could possibly be this good" a valid argument in a court of law?

― frogbs, Friday, 4 October 2019 15:19 (four years ago) link

this is hella fascinating

― brimstead, Saturday, 5 October 2019 05:20 (four years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH8Fjro2oJs

the fold with QJ...

― k3vin k., Sunday, 6 October 2019 09:21 (four years ago) link

first hand in that vid where he 4-bets the turn on QQ43 with A2 is also disgusting. the only person I've seen who even attempts stuff like that is Phil Ivey. only difference is that Ivey is sometimes wrong, and he doesn't rebluff all-in to give his opponent nearly 5:1 on a call. I know this is all hindsight but Postle's body language is just so off in that hand. He leans back, pretends to agonize, says "what do you HAVE!?" several times, makes that dumb smirk like, WELP LETS GAMBOOOOL while shoving the rest of his stack in. I've never seen another poker player act like that while in a big hand.

― frogbs, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 14:07 (four years ago) link

five months pass...

idk if any of yall are still playing online but man this week has been some pretty wild action on Ignition/Bovada, it's like vintage Partypoker up in here

― frogbs, Friday, 20 March 2020 21:39 (four years ago) link

Any tips on how to approach an app like that if I'm mainly interested in low stakes learning?

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 20 March 2020 21:54 (four years ago) link

has anyone heard any good or bad things about postflop plus? I downloaded it a couple of weeks ago and while the spots it gives you are a bit limited, and I 100% have questions about some of the frequencies, the concept is amazing in theory. are there better apps or training sites going for something similar?

― k3vin k., Friday, 20 March 2020 22:15 (four years ago) link

and yeah I can imagine now is a reallllly good time to be playing online poker

― k3vin k., Friday, 20 March 2020 22:15 (four years ago) link

xxp - you mean how to deposit? I couldn't use any of my cards but if you buy one of those preloaded VISAs you can do it. Or if you wanna venture into Bitcoin you can deposit that way. Ignition goes down to $5 buy in tables with .02/.05 blinds so you can def play pretty low stakes

never heard of postflop plus...sadly I don't have much free time for anything but just playing these days. I'm not really good but I've been turning a steady profit on the $25 tables

anyway to give you some indication of how crazy it is now, I went one last round on a PLO table and played 3 consecutive hands with pots over 250bb (winning two of them)

― frogbs, Friday, 20 March 2020 22:22 (four years ago) link

That loss prevented me from scoring one of my biggest winning sessions ever, ‘twas a 4bet pot with AAxx, flopped all diamonds and shoved with the nut flush blocker but the guy obviously flopped the second nut flush

― frogbs, Friday, 20 March 2020 22:29 (four years ago) link

the action on ignition is fucking breathtaking right now, i also can't believe it actually works (i'm in NY where online gaming is v much illegal)

― the portentous pepper (govern yourself accordingly), Sunday, 22 March 2020 20:55 (four years ago) link

their servers are having a lot of trouble keeping up this week, it's always either laggy or down completely. worth sticking out though, what else are you gonna do right now?

definitely reminding me of the good old days where you'd get into 4-way 3bet pots with AA, flop would come 346 and you'd strongly suspect someone flopped a straight

― frogbs, Sunday, 22 March 2020 21:45 (four years ago) link

allo experts

is there a recommended site that allows private rooms for a group of mates that doesnt require download?

― ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Sunday, 5 April 2020 12:51 (four years ago) link

the answer to that strongly depends on whether or not you live in the US. I know Pokerstars allows that and I assume they have a web interface by now. but you can't play it in the States.

funny story, I recently cashed in a bunch of "Ignition Miles" for ~$90 in the casino which has an insane rollover requirement (10x but it's really like 35x if you play Blackjack). apparently you can do it for tourney tickets but they're hard to find and I assumed they just went away. anyway I spent like 90 minutes trying to clear this, getting up to $200 and slowly grinding it away, hitting a big downswing with like 5% of the bonus to go, finally clearing it on the hand I lost my last dollar on

― frogbs, Saturday, 11 April 2020 00:17 (four years ago) link

i've been running my usual poker nights using pokerrrr2
there's about 20 of us, and it's pretty smooth

― nxd, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 11:52 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

anyway I guess I broke the cardinal rule, never brag about running good, I'm currently on a 40 buy-in downswing in cash, it is absolutely soul crushing

― frogbs, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 20:49 (three years ago) link

wishing some rungood on you man

playing semi-regularly on a private app (which is actually pretty amazing in terms of user-friendliness) and am pretty pleased with how I’m playing, though I have the same issue I always do when I play online, which is that I play well enough most of the time but then punt it back when I decide to get stoned and have nothing else to do

― k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 May 2020 20:58 (three years ago) link

soooo tempted to start playing again...

― Irritable Baal (WmC), Wednesday, 27 May 2020 23:01 (three years ago) link

what else is there to do?

― k3vin k., Thursday, 28 May 2020 02:05 (three years ago) link

thanks kev but it didn't work, dumped another 3 BIs last night

the thing that sucks about this downswing is that I'm seeing monsters under the bed, after 5-6 weeks of my opponents pretty much always having a set whenever the pot gets to a certain amount I'm getting super timid and not value betting in spots where I definitely should. Ignition in general seems to be pretty bad for my game. Last night I had a hand where I shoved with 2nd pair & a flush draw, fully expecting to get doinked but wound up getting called by pocket 2s. first thought was "how do you bluff when some players will punt off 100 BBs with an underpair?" second was "how am I getting my ass kicked by these guys?"

― frogbs, Thursday, 28 May 2020 14:10 (three years ago) link

50 buy-ins now. starting to think I just might be bad but combing through the hand histories I don't feel like I'm making a lot of big mistakes, just getting a lot of stupid run outs, particularly in PLO. feels like a daily occurrence now where I flop top set + nut flush draw in a 3bet pot and still wind up losing a stack

― frogbs, Friday, 5 June 2020 17:25 (three years ago) link

love to tell myself "okay, June's a new month, clean slate" and then lose 11 out of the first 12 sessions (my one winning session was for 5 bucks lmao)

― frogbs, Friday, 5 June 2020 17:36 (three years ago) link

btw the case against Mike Postle was dismissed, fucking insane. he got away with it

― frogbs, Friday, 5 June 2020 20:06 (three years ago) link

wow

― k3vin k., Friday, 5 June 2020 23:40 (three years ago) link

six months pass...

anybody been watching the doug polk/daniel negreanu heads up match? it’s really been a blast

― k3vin k., Thursday, 17 December 2020 21:41 (three years ago) link

Was watching when Negreanu was getting absolutely crushed, he basically lived out every HU nightmare scenario in like 30 minutes

Looks like he’s rebounded since

― frogbs, Thursday, 17 December 2020 22:39 (three years ago) link

he was down about 950k or so and won about 140k in the last session, still down a ton. he’s definitely running bad, but doug’s also clearly the much better player. looks like he’ll play the full 25k hands so it’ll be interesting to see where it ends up. guessing doug +1.25 milly is reasonable

― k3vin k., Thursday, 17 December 2020 22:43 (three years ago) link

yeah I think DNegs is better than he often gets credit for but online HU vs. one of the best players in the world isn't it. props to him for giving it a shot though. HU vs. a good player can be brutal. you get put in so many spots you don't really have to deal with in 6max. I stopped playing HU because it was so psychologically taxing

― frogbs, Friday, 18 December 2020 15:31 (three years ago) link

doug hasn't played or really even studied in a couple years, but he was probably the best player in the world at that format less than half a decade ago and dnegs has next to no experience, it's a pretty big mismatch imo.

― k3vin k., Friday, 18 December 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link

apropos of nothing I was for some reason reminded of Pharalad Freidman aka Spirit Rock the other day and how one of the TV broadcasts did a little profile of him where they revealed that he was a freestyle rapper. so he did a little rap for the WSOP that went like

"Poker is fun
For everyone
Except my opponents
Should've practiced avoidance"

and then for like an entire year afterwards the phrase "should've practiced avoidance" made its way into every thread on 2+2

for some reason this was like the pinnacle of online comedy for me

― frogbs, Monday, 21 December 2020 21:15 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

last night I watched an episode of Brooklyn Nine-Nine where the squad has to infiltrate an underground poker game. Jake buys in for $15,000 into what I assume is a $50/$100 game, limps in with Ace Ten of clubs and flops a flush, shoves all in on the flop for (I assume) 75x the pot, gets called by top pair, and loses to a runner-runner boat. fictionalized poker scenes really are the greatest.

― frogbs, Thursday, 14 January 2021 18:14 (three years ago) link

hahaha

― nxd, Thursday, 14 January 2021 18:16 (three years ago) link

not saying I'm speaking from experience or anything but some underground games are pretty damn soft

― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 January 2021 18:36 (three years ago) link

I mean even above ground some of the regulars on live at the bike for instance buy in for those amounts and make those kinds of plays, people are really bad lol

― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 January 2021 18:36 (three years ago) link

true but the Captain (who is telling Jake what to do at the table) is supposed to be some sort of master poker player. "We've got the nuts Jake, go all-in!!!"

― frogbs, Thursday, 14 January 2021 18:39 (three years ago) link

haha I know, your point about the lack of expert consultants on popular shows/movies is well taken

― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 January 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link

trying to recall the music vid i saw once where heros straight flush lost to quads

― nxd, Thursday, 14 January 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link

Session: +$119,609.84 over 600 hands

Total: +$603,683.77 over 15850 hands.

Good to finally get a 6 figure win in. Up 15 buyins with about 9k hands to go. Not over by a long shot but we stopped the bleeding and if we can get a couple more solid wins should be hard to lose.
— Doug "Truck Driver" Polk (@DougPolkVids) January 14, 2021

after watching these on a daily basis before they took a break I haven't seen one since the new year. look like variance finally started to break daniel's way and he's eaten into doug's lead by a third overall

― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 January 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link

doug's hilarious btw praising daniel's play as he starts running better, you know he's taking all the action on himself he can haha

― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 January 2021 18:44 (three years ago) link

Doug uses the "we could raise, call OR fold here" line so much he probably thinks all his opponents are great

― frogbs, Thursday, 14 January 2021 18:50 (three years ago) link

in retrospect that sort of thinking seems obvious but people really found that confusing when he started making videos! now that solvers are a thing and it's conventional wisdom it's no wonder he decided to quit poker

― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 January 2021 18:53 (three years ago) link

to be honest since the advent of GTO thinking I feel like the game's passed me by, I can still make money playing the $25 cash games (particularly in PLO) but I do struggle to follow why modern players focus so hard on being perfectly balanced in each spot, treating their opponents like they always know pretty much exactly what their range is. I don't see how it applies to the games I play at all. Like I don't get why I need to have 30% bluffs in a spot where my opponents call too wide anyway, especially on an anonymous site where people will punt off their entire stack with 66 on a board with 3 overs.

― frogbs, Thursday, 14 January 2021 19:03 (three years ago) link

maybe someone can explain it in a way that makes more sense but my feeling is if you need to play GTO to turn a profit the game probably isn't very profitable to begin with

― frogbs, Thursday, 14 January 2021 19:05 (three years ago) link

well, very few players are winning players in the long run

I think the most succint way I can put it is that your assumptions about what players will show up with in certain spots are a lot less solid than you think they are. in different settings you can definitely make systematically exploitative deviations from whatever the optimal frequencies are (ie I'm going to 3 bet this percentage when normally I'd 3 bet that percentage), but our ability to accurately identify individual situations is just not good and our brain's ability to evaluate anecdotes and channel it into useful feedback is basically nonexistent. I mean take live at the bike for example, you can watch for ten minutes and realize that even people who play on a regular basis on TV have absolutely no rhyme or reason to the way they play. you can't level randomness no matter how much it seems to make sense

this isn't just a problem with your average mouth-breathing poker player, doctors for example are notoriously awful at estimating risk and evaluating whether their treatments work. (take that zelenko quack and HCQ for an example.) I still get into arguments with cardiologists who will place stents in people even when randomized trials have shown them to be useless in that scenario, but cardiologists are convinced they can intuit which people will benefit and which won't. they can't

― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 January 2021 19:18 (three years ago) link

if there was one tiny silver lining to the election of Donald Trump it was the realization that poker was gonna be profitable forever. there's a bar game I try to hit up 2-3 times a year (pre-Covid, of course) and it's amazing how bad most of these players still are, even a decade-plus after I first met them. if anything, they're even worse than I remember! and they play every week!

generally when calculating ranges I add in an extra 10-15%, which turns me into a bit of a station but I think it's profitable in the long run, at least in these games. like I'll analyze some hands, which on Ignition is fun because you can actually see everyone's cards in the hand history, and I'll see a bunch of situations where my opponents range should be limited to like slowplayed sets, top pair/big kicker, and missed draws, but what they ACTUALLY have is a Q3o that they decided to 3bet out of middle position

there is one streamer I like a lot (Skuz Poker) and I do challenge him on this a lot - he plays $200 Zone and is way better than me, but I do ask him a lot why he concerns himself with being balanced in an anonymous game...if you're in a spot where population calls down way too lightly, do you really need bluffs in your range? like, in $25 Zone, I'm well aware of the fact that the utter lunatics out there make it easy for me to get value, since they never know if I'm a reg or someone massively overplaying pocket sevens

― frogbs, Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:29 (three years ago) link

if youve played a lot online and put a little effort into learning about poker then year youre going to be better than guys who play in a bar once a week, you could see more hands online in a couple weeks than theyve seen in their life

anyway if poker ever becomes legal again in the usa i will be there for the fish lol, i was still winning when i played on bovada/ignition, in fact i won bigger than i ever had but the quality of play of people who bother to find an illegal site is so much higher than if it were legal, especially if it were newly legal and there was a poker boom

i actually tried to login to my ignition account recently, pretty sure there was like $100 left in there after i took most of my $$ out, but i cldnt get in and they sent me an auto reply when i emailed then i gave up, anyway i started playing chess a few years ago so i just do that now

― lag∞n, Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:38 (three years ago) link

imo most people talking about GTO arent really doing anything systematic theyre just playing at it, theres maybe a handful of top level players who have some actual strong mathy system, everyone else is just larping

― lag∞n, Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:41 (three years ago) link

a good example kevin's post is this - a thing that really used to irritate me in the bar games is whenever there was a misdeal, like a player was skipped or whatever, and no one looked at their cards yet, the whole table would go through this process of meticulously passing back each dealt card to the proper person, which sometimes could get real confusing. this happens often in a darkly lit game full of drunk people so eventually I spoke up and said "why can't we just deal off the top? a random card is a random card!" and two guys explained to me as though I was 5 years old why you can't do that, because it means that players have cards that ~~shouldn't have been dealt to them~~, and how that ruins the entire deal, and I kind of realized right then that I should probably keep my mouth shut because you don't want to accidentally teach them something about probability

bovada/ignition is still pretty soft, though its not Party Poker 2.0 the way it was back when I started there. I was able to average a winrate of like 8bb/100 for a year. it's more like 3-3.5 now.

― frogbs, Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:51 (three years ago) link

lol yeah just be cool dont even broach the topic that there might be such thing as knowing stuff about poker

― lag∞n, Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:53 (three years ago) link

i mean people are just playing for fun anyway, which is what i do when i play live too, im not nearly as disciplined as if i were playing online, and its so slow i usually just get bored and starting making insane bluffs

― lag∞n, Thursday, 14 January 2021 20:55 (three years ago) link

i run pub poker games and in it's deffo easier as organiser to relay the info that misdeals don't matter etc but generally the old boys still refuse so you just let them be haha

― nxd, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:00 (three years ago) link

trying to teach them short deck
now that was a challenge

― nxd, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:01 (three years ago) link

short deck is a game for fucking sickos man I’m hella into watching it tho

― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:04 (three years ago) link

it's super fun
and yeh i miss the triton events so much
was great watching a new game develop tactically in real time too

― nxd, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:04 (three years ago) link

every new commentator watching ivan leow for the first time also so good

― nxd, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:06 (three years ago) link

triton uploaded a couple of hourlong bits of high stakes short deck tourney footage last month fyi if you’re itching for more. I really love lex as commentator too, perfect combination of absolute sicko and passion for the game/knowledge

― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:10 (three years ago) link

ah sweet will check!
yeh lex is a sweetheart, and deffo agree with you, love it when you can tell his pleasure at the sick plays

― nxd, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:12 (three years ago) link

i mean people are just playing for fun anyway, which is what i do when i play live too, im not nearly as disciplined as if i were playing online, and its so slow i usually just get bored and starting making insane bluffs

yeah I'm only really disciplined at the casino which I don't go to often anyway. bar games & home games I don't play my A game or really even my B game. if you don't get drunk and joke around at the bar games they won't tell you where the next one is

― frogbs, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link

every new commentator watching ivan leow for the first time also so good

― nxd, Thursday, January 14, 2021 4:06 PM (thirty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i dont follow the game anymore whats ivan leows deal

― lag∞n, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:39 (three years ago) link

very loose, and successful, basically even though everything he does should be avoided, it works
kinda tom dwan early high stakes poker vibes

― nxd, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:42 (three years ago) link

ah do ppl think hes actually good or just on some extended heater

― lag∞n, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:44 (three years ago) link

he's won a few big tourneys, and is deffo a good player
but i don't think he's regarded in the upper standards of the best of the best etc
just a really enjoyable watch for fans, holds his own against the big guns with some sick bluffs and folds

― nxd, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:46 (three years ago) link

i think i remember one tourney where somebody tried to explain icm to him and he just laughed

― nxd, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:48 (three years ago) link

lmao nice

― lag∞n, Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:49 (three years ago) link

lagoon watch the triton series videos on youtube, very high production value, great commentary, insanely high stakes, best players in the world. really can't be matched

― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 January 2021 21:57 (three years ago) link

kinda tom dwan early high stakes poker vibes

god I miss that show, that Jamie Gold vs. Sam Farha AA vs. KK hand was like, peak television drama...the way Farha seemed to peg his hand exactly only to talk himself out of it as Gold started acting crazier and crazier (absolutely convinced that *HE*, in fact, had the best hand) is one of my favorite televised poker moments

I do remember a lot of 2+2 people complaining that adding internet guys like Tom Dwan would ruin the game only to watch him immediately pull insane bluffs that even the "maniacs" wouldn't dare try

― frogbs, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:01 (three years ago) link

lagoon watch the triton series videos on youtube, very high production value, great commentary, insanely high stakes, best players in the world. really can't be matched

― k3vin k., Thursday, January 14, 2021 4:57 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

actually was just watching some, agreed good stuff

― lag∞n, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:01 (three years ago) link

xps the dwan lederer hand is all time viewing too

― nxd, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:02 (three years ago) link

those huge cash games are better tv than tournaments imo, u get to see negreanu show up with a shopping bag full of cash and get it all taken from him lol

― lag∞n, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:04 (three years ago) link

playing deep stacked is more interesting too

― lag∞n, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:05 (three years ago) link

deffo
new season of high stakes is p fun too!
obvs with rick salomon at the table
but great to hear gabe back in the booth

― nxd, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:08 (three years ago) link

is it available on like Hulu or do I have to subscribe to PokerGo for it? don't really wanna pay $10/month for just this one show

― frogbs, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link

think just pokergo sorry

― nxd, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:15 (three years ago) link

oh well, I might just subscribe to hear Gabe announcing again. I think he's my favorite of all of them - he's like Bob Uecker, where he can find the humor in the game without being hacky about it

― frogbs, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:18 (three years ago) link

obvs don't know how worth it is for others but their back catalogue is p sweet and i find it worthwhile

― nxd, Thursday, 14 January 2021 22:20 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

doug's up about 750k now

btw froggy if you start this video at about 3:14:15, nick petrangelo sort of answers that same question I attempted the other day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNdgxFigLK8

― k3vin k., Saturday, 30 January 2021 15:57 (three years ago) link

yeah I had a similar observation, there are few plays in poker which are blatantly bad, but on a site like Ignition you have to make assumptions based on only a tiny bit of data

not sure what he's referring to with 10% river bets being "standard" and 66% being "this guy's an idiot", maybe I'm mishearing something. I haven't kept up on strategy these last few years. Are river overbets kind of a standard thing now?

― frogbs, Saturday, 30 January 2021 19:03 (three years ago) link

i think was he was saying that you actually cant make a judgement on someone based on the size of their bets what matters is how the size fits into their overall strategy

― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:23 (three years ago) link

btw theres something kind of odd about the same people playing two heads up games at once

― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:23 (three years ago) link

presumed it was mainly used to get more hands in a shorter time

― nxd, Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:48 (three years ago) link

yeah it def is idk why its just weird to me

― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 January 2021 20:55 (three years ago) link

btw there was a big controversy a couple of sessions ago where doug started limping all his buttons (since there were only 5k hands left, as a way to reduce pot sizes and increase the chance that he ends the 25k hands ahead and presumably collect on his side bets), and in response daniel started taking the max allowed time every decision. daniel did this to decrease the total number of hands played in the session (they have a minimum time per session of I think either 90 or 120 mins) so that he could have more time to study between sessions, and also to avoid giving off timing tells since playing against a limping strategy was unfamiliar to him. an added bonus was to tilt doug because he absolutely hates playing slow. anyway it got escalated to phil galfond, their agreed-upon arbiter, who basically convinced them to finish out the session while he worked out whether daniel was breaking the terms of the challenge. imo while the tanking ploy is lame it's legitimate, but anyway seems like doug avoided the tanking strategy the next session and idk what the final decision was

― k3vin k., Saturday, 30 January 2021 21:36 (three years ago) link

lmao

― lag∞n, Saturday, 30 January 2021 21:39 (three years ago) link

yeh lol that

― nxd, Saturday, 30 January 2021 21:57 (three years ago) link

i think was he was saying that you actually cant make a judgement on someone based on the size of their bets what matters is how the size fits into their overall strategy

true, but I still think reads like that can be useful even if they're not always accurate. my site is anon so little bet size tells are sometimes all you have to go on. still it does speak to a pretty good point, one I bring up on 2+2 a lot when things get too complex, that its worthless to fret about how you might be exploited against a person who you magically assume knows your whole range in any given spot despite only having played 30 hands against you, in fact thinking like that probably actively makes your game worse. two players can have wildly different strategies and still arrive at the same winrate. also "good player" and "bad player" is kind of a false dichotomy, some players are very good at certain things but bad at others - for example I think I'm a pretty good preflop player, but my bet sizing sucks. similar to how a certain tight end might be slow and have bad hands but is really great at blocking.

― frogbs, Saturday, 30 January 2021 23:32 (three years ago) link

also lol @ the Daniel thing, Polk is eating his lunch rn so whatever, suck it up. still feels like an angle shot but that's kind of what happens when you invent formats like "whoever's up after 25,000 hands wins 10 buyins" or whatever it is they're doing

― frogbs, Saturday, 30 January 2021 23:34 (three years ago) link

polk ended up taking him for $1.2m, not sure why negreanu agreed to play him in the first place

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuM3IsRxBEw

― lag∞n, Friday, 5 February 2021 02:53 (three years ago) link

DNegs is one of those "power of positive thinking" sorta guys with his own MasterClass he can't say no to something like this

― frogbs, Friday, 5 February 2021 03:13 (three years ago) link

eight months pass...

Hellmuth apparently won his 16th bracelet last week. that's uh pretty impressive

― frogbs, Saturday, 30 October 2021 03:13 (two years ago) link

six months pass...

Back in it at ACR. 4 tourneys, 2 cashes (both in 9-player SnGs). Back before Black Friday, a SnG would fill up within a minute or two on Stars or Full Tilt, now you have to wait 15-20 minutes for a game to fill up. What sites do y'all recommend?

― WmC, Sunday, 29 May 2022 16:51 (one year ago) link

i use Stars

― nxd, Sunday, 29 May 2022 19:53 (one year ago) link

American here, I play Bovada/Ignition. the site blows, it's constantly lagging and has been down a ton lately, plus there are virtually no bonuses or rakeback outside of the initial (very slow clearing) deposit bonus. what it does have is some incredibly soft games, most likely for that reason, plus its feature of total anonymity. the PLO action on here really reminds me of the old days sometimes.

― frogbs, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 02:30 (one year ago) link

I was reading on 2+2 forums about Bovada/Ignition's lagginess and downtime the other day, but soft games makes it sound interesting.

― WmC, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 14:39 (one year ago) link

poker players are notoriously whiny so I wouldn't let it deter you too much but yeah, it's been particularly bad lately. I think the frustration is more that their support is just terrible, the site will be completely down for half a day and when you email them they respond 3 days later with "check your network settings". they're constantly updating the software but don't fix the myriad of bugs that people have been complaining about since I've started playing. all that said, most of the time it's fine. to me the lack of rakeback or bonuses is a much bigger issue. but if that's what keeps the regs away so I can get tables full of people playing 80/5 I'll take it.

idk how it is with tournaments...the $5 and $10 DoNs fill up every couple of minutes but there isn't really consistent sit n' go action. MTTs seem soft but people stall like crazy as you approach the bubble, so you go from like the 200/400 level to 1500/3000 and only get to play 8 or 9 hands, pretty much instantly putting you in shove-or-fold territory after you hit the money. I feel like this is an issue with every poker site though.

― frogbs, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 15:05 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I think it is. I was watching an S&G last night, not in a good frame of mind for playing but I observe a lot to get back into the rhythms after a decade away, and it took forever to get to the bubble, and then it was over in 3 hands.

― WmC, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 15:14 (one year ago) link

ahh well that's just how S&Gs work, what I'm talking about is MTTs where it'll be like 100 players left and 90 cash. by this point like 25% of the players will have 5 BBs or less and a lot of them feel like they can just stall their way into the money, so they'll use their entire clock + time bank every hand, waiting for players on other tables to bust. trouble is almost every table has at least one player doing this so every hand takes a few minutes and if it's a turbo that's like 2-3 hands per blind level.

― frogbs, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 17:38 (one year ago) link

anyway I've decided to switch over to PLO full-time. for one NLHE has gotten pretty monotonous, half the hands are just folding to a flop cbet and I'd only get into like 2-3 interesting spots per session. for two I think there's a lot more money to be made in PLO, there are way more fish and the bad players are bad in much more obvious ways...just so much UTG limping & cold calling of 3bets. of course this is what makes PLO frustrating in ways I'd forgotten - hand values run way closer than they do in NLHE so even if the guy to your left is playing 90/5 and calling every single one of your raises you still can't just push range advantage. that said when you run hot, boy do you run hot...we'll see how this goes after 10k hands

― frogbs, Friday, 3 June 2022 22:22 (one year ago) link

yeah thats always been the way with omaha

― lag∞n, Saturday, 4 June 2022 01:35 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

tried my hand in a low stakes cash game at one of these local poker clubs (the Doug Polk club, lol) and ended up doing pretty well. I know next to nothing about gambling, so I'm chalking it up to good luck and am looking forward to getting rinsed out next time I show up there.

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 8 August 2022 02:47 (one year ago) link

nice

― lag∞n, Monday, 8 August 2022 16:13 (one year ago) link

just played at a casino for the first time in a while this weekend, it was a fun time (at least when people started talking and joking around) but unfortunately I got tilted. there was a 3 way hand, I put a shortstack all in on the flop, then the turn pairs the board and the other person in, who had just sat down, shoves like 1.5x pot which puts me to a very difficult decision. I figure no way is he bluffing a dry side pot and fold, and it turns out he WAS, for some reason (T7 on a board of A882), letting the 3rd guy win with KQ. gotta say my head wasn't really in it after that :)

― frogbs, Monday, 8 August 2022 16:16 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

playing online poker right now and I got this guy to spend 20 minutes explaining to me what "Lets Go Brandon" is

― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 September 2022 03:53 (one year ago) link

interesting hand here...

THIS JUST HAPPENED...@RobbiJadeLew vs @GmanPoker in one of the strangest poker hands you've ever seen

Tune in now for SUPER HIGH STAKES $100/200/400: https://t.co/VcpZNMUTi4 pic.twitter.com/iGppl6l9aa
— Hustler Casino Live (@HCLPokerShow) September 30, 2022

― cajunsunday, Friday, 30 September 2022 11:38 (one year ago) link

yeh i kinda side with it just being a terrible play / misread rather than cheating - as implied by quite a few peeps today

also rip ivan leow btw

― nxd, Friday, 30 September 2022 11:54 (one year ago) link

the only explanation that makes sense there is she misread her hand, thinking she had J3 rather than J4. that would still be a hero call but if you think his range is very draw heavy I think you can justify it.

what makes it suspicious is that her explanations are all over the place. she says she put him on Ace high, but she can't beat Ace high. then she said she misread her hand but insists says she called because she knew that he was on a draw. but she doesn't beat the draws either, she's losing to the other straight draws and most flush draw combos he has. she then gives him the money back (!!!!) but afterwards goes on social media to defend the play and say she didn't misread her hand. but the more she tries to insist this particular play was correct the worse it looks, because there's no galaxy brain explanation here, even if you think he's 100% bluffing you still have to fold!!

that said I can definitely see why she feels cornered and gets defensive, which causes you to change your story a lot. if she's cheating it makes no sense to do it here of all places - not only is this literally one of the most suspicious scenarios possible but it's still a coinflip after you call! (though *if* she is cheating it's probably through a buzzer which just alerts her she has the best hand, so she probably wouldn't know it's a hand with a bazillion outs) I'm guessing every other televised hand she's played is being analyzed and I dont think they've found anything else suspicious. from what I've seen she just kinda seems like a whale

idk...whole thing breaks my brain. it's pretty ugly for the game too, since there's a lotta sexism being thrown around, from "she obviously has no clue how to play" to "oh you can't give a woman credit for a great call??" which is like calling someone a great Wordle player because they got QAZAX on the first guess.

frustrating thing is we'll probably never know, it's just gonna be one of those things that follows both players around unresolved for a long time. at least we'll get a good reaction gif out of it

― frogbs, Friday, 30 September 2022 13:40 (one year ago) link

just watched it again thinking "okay lets assume she thinks she has J3". certainly all the conflicting explanations would make sense then, because she was probably embarrassed for misreading her hand and got defensive because she didn't understand why her play looked so suspicious. I mean that's what Phil Ivey thinks happened, so who am I to disagree??? but then you get to the turn call and she's staring at her hand for like 15 seconds! how could it be a misread??

― frogbs, Friday, 30 September 2022 14:05 (one year ago) link

ok last thing. she has tournament results on Hendon Mob going back to 2010, so "she has no clue"/"she's just a really terrible player" doesn't really hold water either

― frogbs, Friday, 30 September 2022 14:12 (one year ago) link

Misread hand is the most credible explanation, but she also talks about how "You keep letting me do this to you," so there's some broader context in the game. Maybe she just had his number somehow? Or maybe it's just what it looks like, a really terrible bluff that got lucky.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 30 September 2022 14:34 (one year ago) link

'misread hand' doesn't make sense since she double checks her hole cards before calling. the clip posted cuts some of it out but on stream she was looking at her hand for a while

bluffs by definition aren't really suspicious, since you can argue "I thought my opponent was weak and would fold". people make weird bluffs all the time. but this is a call which means the only way she can win is if her J high is actually good. which it really only can be vs. this specific hand. when Mike Postle, Potripper, NioNio etc. got started getting heat it wasn't because of their bluffs it was because of their calls

― frogbs, Friday, 30 September 2022 14:43 (one year ago) link

I’ve been in that situation where a player knows the other is full of shit and wants to call them on it, and might even lose sight of how weak their own hand is while doing it. Not when there’s $100K+ at stake, but still.

― The self-titled drags (Eazy), Friday, 30 September 2022 14:45 (one year ago) link

I was watching this live, agree completely with froggy

― k3vin k., Friday, 30 September 2022 15:01 (one year ago) link

The added fuck-you of her having the 5th card in his straight flush is pretty amazing.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 30 September 2022 15:14 (one year ago) link

so what I think might've happened is she caught a glimpse of his hand from across the table. maybe the cards were dealt high, maybe Garrett lifted them up a little too much, doesn't have to be a lot, just enough for her to know that he's got two small clubs. imo this kind of explains everything, it explains why she was so cagey about it and was offering up a ton of contracting explanations, and also explains why she felt she should give the money back. and it doesn't involve her having to wear a device and have an inside man and all that. playing in casinos you accidentally catch little glimpses of people's cards all the time. not exactly what they are but something like "it's a red non-face card". not unreasonable to think someone may find themselves in position to act on that information.

― frogbs, Friday, 30 September 2022 15:42 (one year ago) link

also answers the question of "if she was cheating why did she pick the most suspicious spot possible", well maybe that's the only spot where she had additional info

― frogbs, Friday, 30 September 2022 15:48 (one year ago) link

Garrett had one of the stoniest stone-cold looks I’ve ever seen once he saw her cards.

― The self-titled drags (Eazy), Friday, 30 September 2022 15:54 (one year ago) link

if nothing else I appreciate the sheer David Lynchian quality to the whole thing. not only does the hand make no sense but everything she says and does afterwards makes it even weirder. there are ways to counter pretty much any argument you could make about it. too bad we'll probably never know the truth

― frogbs, Friday, 30 September 2022 17:11 (one year ago) link

garrett also left the game after this hand and weirdly she gave him his money back too

― nxd, Friday, 30 September 2022 18:41 (one year ago) link

Garrett blocked me. Guilty as charged. What an honest man. He cornered me & threatened me. If he has the audacity to give me the death stare ON camera, picture what it’s like OFF camera. I was pulled out of the game & forced to speak to him in a dark hallway. Full details to come
— Robbi Jade Lew (@RobbiJadeLew) September 30, 2022

― The self-titled drags (Eazy), Friday, 30 September 2022 21:09 (one year ago) link

well of course you got the death stare on camera, you just made maybe the craziest call in televised poker history in a huge pot

kinda fun to see people proclaim her innocence by saying "she's a bad player, bad players make bad plays", it kinda belies the notion that most of the people commenting on this have no clue what they're talking about. just because someone is bad at something doesn't mean they do the worst possible thing every chance they get. if an NBA player suddenly starts shooting at the wrong hoop you don't say "what do you expect, he sucks". Robbi's play here is one of the few spots in poker where there's a clearly wrong decision, even if you have a read you are very confident in. this doesn't mean she cheated of course but the only times I've seen calls like this are when the person was revealed to be a superuser OR when they were 37 Coors Lights deep

obviously Adelstein handled this in a really bad way but he's also one of the most experienced and recognizable players out there now so I at least put some stock into the idea that if he thinks something's up then something probably is. its not like he hasn't lost big pots on camera in bizarre ways before.

― frogbs, Friday, 30 September 2022 21:33 (one year ago) link

This is also my home game, so was a fun detail:

J4o is our home game’s prop hand ( the buzzsaw ), but today its ceiling has been reached. Who knew there would be so much collateral damage 🎈
— 🎈Brandon Shack-Harris (@Oscillator_WSOP) September 30, 2022

― The self-titled drags (Eazy), Friday, 30 September 2022 21:40 (one year ago) link

wow looks like this story has actually become somewhat mainstream as evidenced by bad takes like this one getting 250k+ likes

I am hearing now that dudes are mad at a woman for beating them in poker because she gambled on a statistically bad hand after reading her opponent’s tells, which is, as far as I was aware, the exact reason they call poker “gambling” and not “statistics”
— Katie Martin (@katiedimartin) October 2, 2022

― frogbs, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 14:54 (one year ago) link

yeah, it's been all over the place, the idea that he was bluffing therefore it was smart of her to call seems like a pretty plausible description of her (very wrong) thought process

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 15:16 (one year ago) link

In the low-stakes regular game where I play, there's one player in particular who gets morally incensed any time someone beats him on a hand they obviously should have folded. It's a lot easier to do when there's only like $5 in the pot, of course, but to him it's the principle of the thing: People shouldn't play bad poker, regardless of the outcome.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 15:58 (one year ago) link

in poker you want people to play bad against you lol

― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:03 (one year ago) link

this is true, but the flip side is sometimes they win regardless, and it's foolish to be a big crybaby about it

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:07 (one year ago) link

yeah if you cant accept that the worse play wins sometimes then poker is prob not the game for you

― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:09 (one year ago) link

in regards to the hand, her misreading it makes sense it doesnt really matter how long she looked at it if you think you have a three you can stare at four and think its a three no problem top chess players have thought a piece was on a different square than it was while staring at the board for many minutes, seeing his cards could also work, if you had a cheating set up with someone telling you the cards or whatever it would be an insane spot to use that cheat in but people do insane things

― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:09 (one year ago) link

always funny when you misread your hand thinking youre strong and end up winning on what was really a bluff

― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:11 (one year ago) link

yeah if you cant accept that the worse play wins sometimes then poker is prob not the game for you

Yeah, he actually quit playing for about six months once because he was so mad about a bad beat. I agree this is his problem, not poker's.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:22 (one year ago) link

he should play chess the good play wins every time

― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:23 (one year ago) link

yep, no cheating scandals in chess, no siree...

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:24 (one year ago) link

people cheating in chess is funny, i guess i can understand it at the top levels theres some sort of real benefit but doing it, against average players online whats the point, yet people do do it, every once in a while lichess will give me 5 points back because i lost to someone who was caught cheating lol

― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:27 (one year ago) link

That Katie Martin thread makes me mad because of the "lol I admit I don't know how poker works so I'm going to summarize the scenario in the most reductive incorrect way possible, double down, and ignore all the actual well-intentioned corrections offered by people ".

Like the idea that misogyny has nothing to do with this is probably wrong, I'm sure that a male doing this would also have been put on blast, and they have been in the past, but their excuses/alternate explanations would be more likely to be believed, perhaps default assumption wouldn't be cheating for some. Not to mention the dark alley confrontation which was probably terrifying.

But the inability to accept that the situation was seen as suspect for legitimate reasons is just willful ignorance, even accepting that. Esp since tweet thread poster is a Ph.D student and capable of doing the homework.

― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:40 (one year ago) link

there 100% was misogyny involved here but the conclusion that "she made a brilliant play actually" is way wrong

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:51 (one year ago) link

Otm

― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 16:56 (one year ago) link

in regards to the hand, her misreading it makes sense it doesnt really matter how long she looked at it if you think you have a three you can stare at four and think its a three no problem top chess players have thought a piece was on a different square than it was while staring at the board for many minutes

starting to think this was probably it and that Robbi, understandably, did not want to let on that she misread her hand and was perhaps goaded by Garrett's response into insisting it was some kind of insane soul read. if there's one trait a lot of bad players share it's a total inability to ever admit they may have made a bad decision. (alternatively, maybe she *did* peg Garrett's exact hand, but forgot to consider that he would also be bluffing a bunch of other hands that she's losing to) obviously you can break everything down as though you're watching the Zapruder film, like Doug Polk seems to be doing, but the reality is that nerves can be a real factor in these sort of games. she's playing 10x her normal stakes in a televised game vs. someone who had been bullying her around, totally understandable if something in her brain just misfired. hell it's happened to me at the 1/3 game in the casino, I've galaxy brained myself into laydowns I'd never make otherwise

as far as misogyny goes, maybe there was in Garrett's decision to approach her and accuse her of cheating to her face. I can't imagine he'd do that to some of the guys in that lineup. but all that in regards to the hand itself is just plain wrong. if you polled the 100 best players on the planet all 100 would say it was a horrible play. if you polled the 100 worst they'd probably all say it was bad too. the call is incredibly odd no matter how good a poker player you assume Robbi is. fwiw she does seem to have been professionally coached and has been playing for at least a decade, so I'd say she's probably better than at least half the people commenting on this right now

― frogbs, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:00 (one year ago) link

there's nothing wrong with saying it was a bad play, it's the immediate conclusion on zero proof that she was cheating, forcing her to hand over money that was probably won legitimately, and, as far as I know, continuing to hold on to that money with zero intention of giving it back while not climbing down one bit from the cheating charge despite the fact that it seems unlikely, there's still no proof, and such public claims could easily be the grounds for a defamation suit.

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:12 (one year ago) link

not only is there no proof of cheating the allegation doesnt even really make sense

― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:14 (one year ago) link

One should always side-eye claims of cheating simply based on odd behavior precisely for reasons detailed above, human error is a thing of many degree. Cheating in a casino itself is hard enough to pull off due to spotters and cameras, much less a poker tournament. Nothing wrong with investigating any potential malfeasance based on the unlikely nature of the bet, but there's a difference between that and drawing the conclusion up front, or drawing it without any corroborating evidence. much like the chess "vibrating anal beads" story.

this is why I like the fishing scandal. something was amiss, so the tournament sponsor cut open the finish, found weights, and began screaming in the faces of the cheaters and told them to leave.

― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:24 (one year ago) link

I'm kind of surprised this is still ongoing and that Adelstein hasn't moderated his accusations even a tiny bit as far as I know

― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:26 (one year ago) link

I've definitely seen people misread hands during the much lower stakes matches I play in before.

it's me, I'm hands

― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:28 (one year ago) link

even had a dealer announce the wrong hand the winner and didn't react quick enough to point out his mistake before he yanked away the cards (which meant I lost out on quite a big pot). wasn't for real money, mind. or I probably would have reacted more

― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:29 (one year ago) link

much like the chess "vibrating anal beads" story.

― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, October 5, 2022 2:24 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i would just like to say for the record that the anal beads theory originated as a joke on a stream and a bunch of outlets picked it up because of course i mean its irresistible

― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:34 (one year ago) link

Oh I totally know it was never a real viable theory, it's just that it went from that joke to people acting as if it is what actually happened or what the person is seriously accused of doing. like my friend shared it w/ me and I was like "this article doesn't say 'he won cos anal beads', it says he's accused of cheating and someone else said "lol what if it was vibrating butt beads"

― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:37 (one year ago) link

not only is there no proof of cheating the allegation doesnt even really make sense

yeah as nonsensical as calling with Jack high in that spot is I'd argue it's actually more nonsensical to have access to a cheating device the entire stream and only use it on that particular hand. I'm not gonna rule out 100% she was cheating but if she was it almost certainly had to be something specific to that hand. so Garrett saying right away that she was getting buzzed was pretty weird. maybe he knows something or was suspicious beforehand. either way super odd for a guy who you'd think definitely knows how things work in the poker world to make that kind of accusation. he isn't just some random guy.

― frogbs, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:42 (one year ago) link

he couldve just had a strong emotional reaction and cant find it in himself to back down

― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:47 (one year ago) link

not to mention he has the money and would have to give it back

― lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:47 (one year ago) link

once he backs down, he gets (rightfully) accused of putting an unfair target on his opponent's back, so he's not going to back down

― stank viola (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 18:48 (one year ago) link

Uhhhhh….what

Hustler releases a statement that one of the High Stakes Poker production employees took $15,000 of Robbi chip stack after the game!!! WTF is going on??? pic.twitter.com/6hNZooiLxD
— Joey Ingram 🐉 (@Joeingram1) October 6, 2022

― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2022 00:06 (one year ago) link

what the hell

― lag∞n, Friday, 7 October 2022 00:07 (one year ago) link

[working a job recording an event] i think i will do a crime during this

― lag∞n, Friday, 7 October 2022 00:09 (one year ago) link

wow he's a reporter: https://lvchronicle.com/author/bryans/

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 7 October 2022 01:35 (one year ago) link

Garrett seems to think this is going to vindicate him somehow, sounds like he knows something. or maybe he's bluffing

― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2022 02:50 (one year ago) link

yeah but even if he is bluffing you still can't call there

― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 7 October 2022 02:59 (one year ago) link

This is getting really weird

I received the following statement from @RobbiJadeLew regarding the recent @HCLPokerShow revelation that $15K was taken off her stack.

More coming an an article that’ll appear on @PokerNews. pic.twitter.com/8ik91wWwgh
— Chad Holloway (@ChadAHolloway) October 7, 2022

― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2022 04:42 (one year ago) link

pretty charitable of her which is cool.

sadly while all this was happening D.B. Cooper came out of hiding, stole the rest of the chips, and parachuted out of the building

― stank viola (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 October 2022 04:45 (one year ago) link

What is going on here

So I got a message … @Joeingram1 pic.twitter.com/4S2zvR5BmQ
— Robbi Jade Lew (@RobbiJadeLew) October 7, 2022

― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2022 18:06 (one year ago) link

This woman is…incredibly odd

https://t.co/0Ac06b5DkQ

I don’t think that mysterious box in her pocket was anything but cmon it was not just glare

― frogbs, Friday, 7 October 2022 18:16 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

just got on GGpoker, had to hold some BTC while waiting for my affiliate to come through. he took forever and I lost $300 thanks to the dumb crypto market. I know it's probably keeping online poker alive, but still, fuck Bitcoin

― frogbs, Thursday, 9 March 2023 21:42 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

WSOP $1,500 7-Stud is streaming on YouTube (I've never had a PokerGO subscription), and it's been a good watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIStzOpRN44

― underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Monday, 5 June 2023 03:07 (ten months ago) link

lol just clicked on it and theyre talking about pokemon

― lag∞n, Monday, 5 June 2023 03:20 (ten months ago) link

Fantastic stuff cheers

― nxd, Monday, 5 June 2023 11:18 (ten months ago) link

Stayed up past midnight (Pacific Time, even!) watching the last three play this out for hours. Loved it. The wholesome rail vs. the rail of mooks added to it, but mostly it was the first time I had watched an unedited 7-stud tourney for hours.

― underwater as a compliment (Eazy), Monday, 5 June 2023 18:30 (ten months ago) link

$3.1 MILLION POT!! THE BIGGEST POT IN THE HISTORY OF TELEVISED POKER!!@TomDwan vs @CryptoApprenti1

Tom Dwan is now winning more than $2 MILLION tonight pic.twitter.com/Fiv7ldVykt
— Hustler Casino Live (@HCLPokerShow) May 31, 2023

this stream was incredible

― k3vin k., Monday, 5 June 2023 18:32 (ten months ago) link

that's a 1550BB pot which would be the biggest I've ever seen in a cash game by some measure

― frogbs, Monday, 5 June 2023 18:37 (ten months ago) link

lmaooo "all in? is that for sure? I'm gonna go get a water"

― frogbs, Monday, 5 June 2023 18:41 (ten months ago) link

the big blind ante makes it a little smaller effective but yeah there were some insane hands

― k3vin k., Monday, 5 June 2023 18:43 (ten months ago) link

I haven't watched Tom Dwan in a while I had no idea he swore that much

― frogbs, Monday, 5 June 2023 20:50 (ten months ago) link

dwan’s really the goat man

― k3vin k., Monday, 5 June 2023 20:53 (ten months ago) link

lol I remember when he turned 21 and started playing televised games a lot of people said he'd be broke in a year

― frogbs, Monday, 5 June 2023 20:56 (ten months ago) link

the percentage of biggest tv hands ever that hes been involved in is very high

― lag∞n, Monday, 5 June 2023 21:05 (ten months ago) link

that High Stakes Poker hand where he bluffed Barry Greenstein and Peter Eastgate w/ QT on the T22 board is still my favorite televised poker hand. blocker bluffing wasn't really a thing back then, especially not in big 3-way pots. it really blew a lot of minds when people figured out what he was doing

― frogbs, Monday, 5 June 2023 21:39 (ten months ago) link

its crazy how much better people are now at poker

― lag∞n, Monday, 5 June 2023 23:05 (ten months ago) link

Yeah I think your average 25NL reg is probably better now than the high stakes pros were during the poker boom. Thankfully there still seem to be enough whales and shitty rakeback grinders that you can still turn a profit. It’s definitely harder now though. Live poker on the other hand hasn’t really changed much at all.

― frogbs, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 00:45 (ten months ago) link

we need legal online play in order to usher in another poker boom

― lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 00:58 (ten months ago) link

the other day I listened to a podcast which argued that the biggest change in understanding between now and 20 years ago is in how much variance there really is, especially in PLO where it's possible to have hot or cold streaks which last years. ultimately he says that in the pre-online era it really wasn't possible to play enough hands to get a good handle on who the best players really were, and that virtually every "pro" who played big and made a lot of money pre-Party Poker was either rich enough to ride out the variance or just started on a heater. he thinks there were probably dozens of potential Tom Dwans and Junglemen out there but few of them ran as good as they did where they could really commit themselves to the game. definitely rings true for me at least, had I not run well my first few months playing online I probably would have given it up within a year. poker is so uniquely frustrating when you're on an extended downswing, it just feels like there's nothing you can do but give up.

― frogbs, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 01:05 (ten months ago) link

whenever this thread pops up I end up watching an hour of poker highlights on Youtube and I don't know why - I haven't played a hand in a decade and I was absolutely terrible even among friends who were also bad, I don't have the attention span to play cards for more than like 20 minutes at a blackjack table.

― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 01:44 (ten months ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDt90EyZnWA

― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 29 June 2023 04:00 (nine months ago) link

incredible - was laughing throughout the entire section with Hellmuth and Gus. though his math on the Gus Hansen section is way off - that only applies if you get called by everyone, and if you did technically you'd only have to win once to win the tournament. I would guess just blind shoving every hand in a 6 person sit n' god you'd probably have like a 6-8% chance of winning it all.

god I used to love watching this stuff in college. better than any game show if you ask me. watching these dudes in the WSOP go on 3 day heaters, suddenly finding themselves at a featured table and allowing themselves to think just a little about the possibility of a big payout and some TV fame, only to get doinked by an 8 on the river. after which the camera just lingers on their face as they realize they will almost certainly never have this opportunity again. tough to watch I guess but still, great people-watching. also so many of them were massive dicks so it was easy to figure out who to root for.

― frogbs, Thursday, 29 June 2023 14:05 (nine months ago) link

https://philgalfond.beehiiv.com/p/elephant-poker-room

galfond could certainly use an editor, but I completely agree. doug is an amazing player and peerless analyst (when he puts work into it…he doesn’t prep as much for his videos these days) but he’s a bully and his non-analysis videos suck

― k3vin k., Friday, 30 June 2023 23:15 (nine months ago) link

Charlie Carrel is an antivaxxer who I had to block because he shares too much LibsOfTikTok bullshit, seems like one of the last guys who should be talking about "empathy". Regardless Doug is a total dick whose brain has been infected by YouTube disease, he's a great analytical player but shockingly unnuanced when it comes to any other topic.

the JNandez thing was real bullshit too, I primarily play PLO these days so I know his stuff pretty well, dude definitely seems legit to me. Doug feels like he's trying to be some Fantano-type personality whose appeal expands beyond poker while JNandez really is all business. dragging his name through the mud was a real dick move.

I like Galfond, like DNegs he seems like one of the actual good guys in poker, but yeah that sure was a lot of words

― frogbs, Monday, 3 July 2023 14:03 (nine months ago) link

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