Marijuana: Classic or Dud?

Not entirely harmless, but not bad in comparison to most other drugs.

Indeed. My uncle was (and probably still is) a tremendous smoker, and this definitely had a hand in his daughter's learning disability -- the kid didn't speak until she was almost 4. All that pot done fucked with his DNA for reals.

You need to decide whether you can live with him this way for the rest of your life. If you can't, then you have to decide where your cut-off point is. Then you have to make it absolutely clear to your husband where that cut-off point is and how much or how little you'll support him in making better choices and following through on them - but if he fails to make better choices, you'll cut him off. Then you have to act like you meant every word. That takes enormous strength - after all, you love him.

I smoke marijuana almost daily; often multiple times per day. I like to play music while high, listen to music while cook, cook while high, eat while high, watch football (and baseball) while high. It is NOT conducive to me being a good student, however.

Classic for getting to sleep, nice and easy. If that's what you want to do.

dud to the point of abject fucking tragedy if you're one of several of my friends who are getting close to 40, and who've spent the last 20yrs of their lives with their main/only motivation being scoring & smoking it. Man, fuck that.

Marijuana Evangelists = Ultimate Dud.

so on the money. why am i always the most stoned person in the room :((
also the staelth hangover can be a bitch.

And saying that music sounds better high is like saying ugly chicks look fuckable whist drunk.

Pot tasted like a dirty sponge, and I've also figured out that I don't need any more help being lethargic and sleepy. Dud for me.

The only dud thing about it is that I'm about to run out and don't know where to easily get more

search: larry david talking to himself in the mirror on curb your enthusiasm.

Horrible idea.

I can't believe ANYONE could listen to that much Smashing Pumpkins and not be on drugs. I think he's lying.

Alas, ye of little faith. ;-)

Now that naivete has gone, I look how I feel, anxieties have been unearthed by time and powders: Dud, I try not to touch it, and even when I've had a good week and say what the hey, it still FUCKS with me.

scott is right: it makes you hear things differently, or at least it makes you think you are hearing things differently. I still think it helped me notice details I hadn't noticed before in recordings and videos, and that it made it more probable that I would discover those details; but I'm not convinced I could not have picked them up without pot (more that it made me more likely to notice them). There was a brief period after I stopped smoking pot that various music would make me think, "Oh man, I wish I were listening to this stoned," but I almost never think that now, and definitely haven't stopped enjoying music. (I think that dancing for long stretches of time also makes you hear music differently, but maybe it's more subtle.)

Dud. I watched Mean Girls while stoned last night and enjoyed it so much that I revived the thread. It may not have been worth it.

At least one of the friends that were smoking with him says that he really didn't inhale--the pot was too harsh for him, and he kept coughing it out.

-- noodle vague (noodle_vagu...), November 14th, 2004.

OTM

weed's alright i guess. it's fun for me once in a while, but i'd hate to be stoned all the time as i already live my life in an absent-minded daze.

and obviously being in the hot sun with a great big spliff and a few beers+some music is paradise.

This is surprising. It makes me much more comfortable socially. Not as comfortable as alcohol, but it's way better than being sober. When I'm sober and thrust into social situations (parties, mostly) I typically want to run away screaming. Pot makes it easier for me to veg out against a wall and examine the people around me; makes me feel less self-concious. (I understand it's the total opposite in many people, though.)

yeah, it's so unfortunate. if i can't handle marijuana, i can't really handle much else. i've been shut out of almost the entire wonderful world of drugs.

and it's not that i hate god as a result of smoking, it's that i start to feel like i'm dying and think, 'maybe if i had gone to church and behaved myself...' which is very strange and uncomfortable because it's not the same kind of dying feelings i've experienced from depression, where i never think of god at all.

but honestly, i like LSD way more than I like pot, and THAT is a problem.

I've never really had much of a problem with this.

Marijuana culture -- duddiest of duds.

Might I add:

Bob Marley = amazingly, incredibly classic.
stoners who listen to Bob Marley almost to the exclusion of all else = buffoons.

Being stoned in public freaked me out for years. But at some point that changed, and I got to really enjoy being stoned in crowds, at bars, concerts, in long one-on-one conversations, whatever. Being comfortable stoned in social situations gave me a weird kind of confidence -- like, if I can be stoned and still be comfortable despite the self-consciousness, then being comfortable when I'm straight is a breeze. That said, after smoking with renewed interest for several years in my late 20s and early 30s, I've kind of tailed of for various circumstantial reasons.

The last time I smoked was at my dad's 60th birthday party. I shared a pipe with him, his cousin, my aunt, my little brother and my little brother's girlfriend. Family bonging. It was sweet.

-- Je4nne ƒury (jeanneƒur...), November 14th, 2004.

surprised no one has addressed this. i don't doubt that pot affected your uncle's mind but i've never heard of any sort of altered DNA effect except from those ridiculous teen-scare films they showed in high school. and plenty of non-potheads have children with l.d.

weed + Loveless = nakedness = saturday night, and it was GOOOOOOOOD. but i know what you mean - its a knife-edge thing, and i hate when i'm so stoned that i become a less-than-entirely-attentive lover. but saturday was *perfect*.

wrt weed easing anxiety, i certainly prefer it to booze, which messes with my mood... but with weed, when i'm being social, i'm conscious that i'm kinda dopey, and in the wrong company that can make me anxious... but i still retain a clarity that booze usually robs me of, so by the end of the night everyone's loopy from booze and will feel shit the next day, but i'll be feeling fine.

"it tastes like shit and it makes you cough, and it's the fucking rubber in it that gets you off"

surprised no one has addressed this. i don't doubt that pot affected your uncle's mind but i've never heard of any sort of altered DNA effect except from those ridiculous teen-scare films they showed in high school. and plenty of non-potheads have children with l.d.

thai stick OTM. The altered DNA/pot connection is a myth. Though there is some evidence that pot smoking can interfere w/male reporductive system (in the same way that cig smoking does). And apart from dyslexia (which isn't associated w/ speech delay) there is scant evidence of a genetic basis for learning disabilities at least those on the autism spectrum.

In answer to the question: classic, as long as it's not a wake-up, skin-up habit. Christ only knows how I got through my first year at university. Classic for: beer substitute while watching TV, sex, computer games, putting yourself to sleep, attending parties last Saturday with crazy northern Irish lads who are doing their best to prove that stereotypes do exist.
Dud: for sapping motivation and hiding from your life.

I didn't do drugs of any kind until I was about 24, when I smoked some hash, which I didn't like (I've done other drugs here and there, but very infrequently). It took a while to warm up to weed, but once I did, I became a fairly regular smoker - not a 'wake and bake' guy or anything, but at least 4-5 times a week. This went on for several years, and pretty much ended when I moved to the UK 2 years ago.

I suppose me and most of my friends would be considered 'potheads', but I'd like to think that we're in the favourable camp - i.e. we don't just act stupid and talk about weed - we have proper conversations about the world we live in and life in general. Often these conversations are more vibrant than if we were just sitting around sober or with a few beers. And yes - this has also been the sentiment from non-smokers who were with us. And even though I smoked a lot during this period of my late 20s/early30s, I managed to have an active social life, have a couple of very senior jobs, ran club nights, got a M.B.A., etc. Weed to me and most of my friends was just a treat - something that is a 'condiment' as someone upthread said - rather than the central focus of social interaction.

Unfortunately, during my final days in Toronto, some friends have fallen into the 'dull stoner' category, where they just haven't progressed. I've seen some geuninely hyper-intelligent people become, well, stupid. And one friend has become a full-blown 'addict' (as he puts it) who is now seeing a therapist. Granted, he has his own issues (which include alcohol as well), but the weed didn't help. Another problem is that I find weed makes me congested - when I go to sleep my breathing is very restricted, which is annoying. Plus I'm not fond of the fog/haze that I sometimes get in the morning after a night of many joints, which my friends do favour (I like a little bit - giant blunts are just not necessary IMO).

I don't like being associated with pot culture, which I guess is a bit snobby of me, but I'd always clean up the apartment from pot accessories (removing the bong is key) when guests were coming over. I really don't think this was a result of being paranoid - I just don't like looking like an obvious stoner from first glance. I'd never lie about my smoking - I'm happy to admit it - although I still haven't talked about it with my parents, which is a bit silly I suppose, but there ya go.

Anyway, when I left Canada (a weed-friendly country, of course - we had home delivery guys with their own fridge magnets and everything) my weed smoking became a rare treat, which is how I like it. I don't really want to return to being a regular smoker, because I have noticed that I am a lot more clear-headed these days, and when I do smoke it is a lot more fun, rather than just 'maintenance'. I wish my friends were at this point, and hopefully they will be soon.

for me:
weed + watching hockey = classic
weed + music = very classic
weed + hanging with immature stoners = dud
weed + social functions where most are non-smokers = kinda dud, but depends
weed + dance clubs/gigs = classic
weed + sitting on the dock at the cottage in summertime = ULTIMATE CLASSIC

just got a flashback to that horrid SNL sketch with the hot-tub and the pork chops and the ay ay ay glavin

Obviously most people I know who've taken drugs are not this bad.

I've always wanted to form a band called "Pot Tits."

i know a dude who smoked dusted weed and proceeded to punch a hole through a plate glass window at my high school. he had some anger problems anyway.

there was a poster that said as much in my high school health class far away from Mexico and long after the 50s. I tried to tell the teacher about it, but she seemed to agree with the poster not SCIENCE.

Since moving to a country with a less forgiving attitude towards weed, I have missed it profoundly. I'm sure it's been healthy for me to experience a period of my life without it, but having done so, I am unimpressed.

It will be one of the first things I do to inaugurate my return to the US of A, right after downing a large french vanilla iced coffee from Dunkin Donuts. Possibly I will then watch the Daily Show. This is my dream.

I was just kidding about the almost addictive thing, teeny.

And if I wasn't smoking lsd that night what the hell fucked us up so bad? It couldn't have been just the weed as it'd been chronic for a few years at that point.

The only drug that: 1) even if you're an addict, you don't mind sharing

You aren't hanging out with good people if this is the case; I've never been in a situation in which people DID mind sharing any type of substance with their friends!

and 2) won't kill you.

Maybe if you eat it all the time, but certainly not if you partake of it in the traditional methods of, like, smoking. It's safer than regular cigarettes since regular cigarettes from the store are basically nothing but a collection of tar and various other things found in the composition of your average pavement, but you're still inhaling carbon monoxide!

The point: every one worth a grain of salt shares with their mates, and everything worth doing in the world ever will eventually kill you. This is kind of a yin/yang upper/downer post, brought to you by Ally.

I have been laughing over this phrase for a minute now. I think it's the perfect emphasis Ally makes.

Maybe not from the pot itself, but certainly from its effects (ie. deaths in factories, automobiles, etc.).

You can roll your own cigarettes with tobacco minus all the store-bought cig additives as well you know.

XPOST IT'S TRUE, THE SAD THING IS I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER HOW TO WORK A BOWL AT THIS POINT, I AM SO OLD.

some people are just stupid, whether they are stoned or not.

BONG PARTY IN MY ROOM!!!

-- Thermo Thinwall (tupac.chopr...) (webmail), November 15th, 2004 6:27 PM. (Thermo Thinwall) (later) (link)

Were you serious about this?

(Cus if so, I agree! I always feel like a homeless dude eating a banana out of the gutter when I do resin hits!)

Cannabis may make you a safer driver by Jonathon Carr-Brown, Sunday Times, 13 August 2000

TAKING the high road may not be so dangerous after all. Ministers are set to be embarrassed by government-funded research which shows that driving under the influence of drugs makes motorists more cautious and has a limited impact on their risk of crashing.

In the study, conducted by the Transport Research Laboratory, "grade A" cannabis specially imported from America was given to 15 regular users. The doped- up drivers were then put through four weeks of tests on driving simulators to gauge reaction times and awareness.

Regular smokers were used because previous tests in America using first- timers resulted in the volunteers falling over and feeling ill. The laboratory found its guinea pigs through what it described as a "snowballing technique" - one known user was asked to find another after being promised anonymity and exemption from prosecution agreed with the Home Office.

Instead of proving that drug-taking while driving increased the risk of accidents, researchers found that the mellowing effects of cannabis made drivers more cautious and so less likely to drive dangerously.

Although the cannabis affected reaction time in regular users, its effects appear to be substantially less dangerous than fatigue or drinking. Research by the Australian Drugs Foundation found that cannabis was the only drug tested that decreased the relative risk of having an accident.

The findings will embarrass ministers at the Department of the Environment, Transport and the Regions (DETR) who commissioned the study after pressure from motoring organisations and anti-drug campaigners. Lord Whitty, the transport minister, will receive the report later this month.

Last week police revealed details of new drug-driving tests to be administered by the roadside, which were received with some amusement. They require suspected drug- drivers to stand on one leg, lean back and touch their nose with their eyes closed, and to count to 30 silently with their eyes shut. This is apparently difficult for those on a drug trip.

However, if the findings are less than frightening on the effects of marijuana, they may convince ministers to put more money into raising driver awareness of fatigue. Tiredness is now blamed for causing 10% of all fatal accidents, compared with 6% for alcohol and 3% for drugs.

A low-key radio campaign will be launched tomorrow warning drivers to take breaks.

The report's surprising conclusions will not sway organisations such as the RAC, which believes there is incontrovertible evidence that drug-driving is a growing menace. DETR statistics published in January showed a six-fold increase in the number of people found to be driving with drugs in their system after fatal road accidents. The figure jumped from 3% in 1989 to 18%.

Dr Rob Tunbridge, the report's author, refused to reveal his findings before they were published but said: "If you were to ask me to rank them in order of priority, fatigue is the worst killer, followed by alcohol, and drugs follow way behind in third."

Tunbridge admitted that the effect of drugs differed with the individual, the amount taken, the environment they were taken in and the point at which you tested reactions.

UK: Dope Drivers Safe: The Province, Canada, 21 August 2000

It is now very clear that techniques of machine-human interfacing, pharmacology of the synthetic variety, all kinds of manipulative techniques, all kinds of data storage, imaging and retrieval techinques, all of this is coalescing toward the potential of a truly demonic or angelic kind of self-imaging of our culture. And the people who are on the demonic side are fully aware of this and hurrying full-tilt forward with their plans to capture everyone as a 100% believing consumer inside some kind of beige furnished fascism that won't even raise a ripple. The shamanic response in this situation I think is to PUSH THE ART PEDAL THROUGH THE FLOOR.

Years and years ago before the term "psychedelic" was settled on there was just a phenomenological description. These things were called "consciousness-expanding" drugs. I think that's a very good term. Think about our dilemma on this planet. If the expansion of consciousness does not loom large in the human future, what kind of future is it going to be? To my mind the psychedelic position is most fundamentally threatening when fully logically thought out because it is an anti-drug position, and make no mistake about it, the issue is "drugged." How drugged shall you be? Or to put it another way: consciousness. How conscious shall you be? Who shall be conscious? Who shall be unconscious? Imagine if the Japanese had won World War II, taken over America, and introduced an insidious drug which caused the average American to spend six and a half hours a day consuming enemy propaganda. But this is what was done. Not by the Japanese but by ourselves. This is television. Six and a half hours a day! Average! That's the average! So there must be people out there hooked on twenty-four hours a day. I visit people in L.A. who have one set on in every room so they're racking up a lot of time for the rest of us.

You see what is needed is an operational awareness of what we mean by "drug." A "drug" is something which causes unexamined, obsessive habituated behavior. You don't examine your behaviour, you just do it, you do it obsessively. You let nothing get in the way of it. This is the kind of life we're being sold on every level: to watch, to consume, to buy. The psychedelic thing is off in this tiny corner, never mentioned and yet it represents the only counter flow toward a tendency to just leave people in designer states of consciousness, not their designers, but the designers of Madison Avenue, the Pentagon, so forth and so on. This is really happening. It's only a matter of how tight you draw the metaphor that you realize it. I've been coming and going from Los Angeles a lot recently and when the plane swings out over the eastern part of the city looking down is like looking at a printed circuit. All these curved driveways and cul-de-sacs with the same little modules installed on each end of them and you realize that as long as the Reader's Digest stays subscribed to and the TV stays on these are all interchangable parts. This is this nighmarish thing which McLuhan and others foresaw, the creation of the public. The public has no history, has no future, lives in a golden moment created by credit which binds them ineluctably to a fascist system that is never criticized. This is the ultimate consequence of having broken off our symbiotic relationship with the vegetable, feminine, maternal matrix of the planet. This is what ended partnership. This is what ended balance between the sexes. This is what set us on the long slide.

So now the culture crisis grows ever more intense. The stakes rise ever higher. If there were ever a time to be heard and be counted in order to clarify thinking on these issues it would be now because there is a major attack on the Bill of Rights underway in the guise of a so-called "Drug War" and somehow the drug issue is even more frightening than communism, even more insidious. McCarthy told America that communism was under the bed, he was wrong. Ronald Reagan and George Bush tell America that drugs are in the living room and they're right! It is here. It is real. It is the hydrogen bomb of the third world. The quality of rhetoric emanating from therapists and psychologists and psychoanalysts is going to have to radically improve or we are going to have happen to us what happened to genetics in the Soviet Union. We're going to be Lysenkoized. We're going to be made lilly-white and all opportunity for exploring this dimension is going to be closed off - almost as a footnote to the supression of these synthetic poisonous narcotics which are mostly dealt by governments anyway. But the psychedelic issue, as I said, it's a civil rights issue. It's a civil liberties issue. The reason women couldn't be given the vote in the nineteenth century, there was a very simple overpowering reason that was always given: it would destroy society. This was also the reason why the king could not give up a divine right, chaos would result! And this is why we're told drugs cannot be legalized, because society would disintegrate. This is just nonsense. Most societies have always operated in the light of various habits based on plants. The whole history of mankind could be written as a series of made and broken relationships with plants. Think about the influence of tobacco on merchantilism in 17th and 18th century Europe. Think about the influence of coffee on the modern office worker, or the way the British influenced opium policy in the far-east to rule China, or the way the CIA used heroin in the American ghettos in the 1960s to choke off black dissent and black dissatisfaction with the war. History is about these plant relationships. They can be raised into consciousness, integrated into social policy and used to create a more caring meanigful world, or they can be denied the way sexuality was denied until the force of the work of Freud and others just made it impossible to maintain the fiction any longer. This choice of how quickly we develop into a mature community able to address this issue is entirely with us. Certainly people like Stan Grof and others have worked valiantly to keep this kind of thing alive but, my god, you can count them on the fingers of one hand.

I should mention that DMT is an endogenous neurotransmitter. Yes, DMT, the most powerful of the hallucinogens occurs in the human brain as a normal part of metabolism. It also is a Schedule I drug, so you're all holding and this might be the basis for some kind of case. To just show what absolute poppycock all this nonsense is: People Have Been Made Illegal!

lol @ pre-fitness cutty

i smoke tough and am fit as fuck if u wanna fight it's on

i still smoeks

About as dud as dud gets

that's cool so are all of your posts!

Who are you?

Oh right yeah, I think I know who you are but I never read anything you post, so I can't come back with a smart zinger, sorry

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Tom, take a hit and chill the fuck out.

Classic, but I would weigh 900 pounds if I did it all the time.

tom, strgn, i dont know who any of you are!

Has anyone else switched over to the clear cellulose rollies?

And yet I know who you are! (xp)

Has anyone else switched over to the clear cellulose rollies?

-- The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Thursday, November 1, 2007 9:05 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I love these things! They burn nicely and evenly with no runs. They need to make longer and wider ones, though.

once you figure out the nuances of rolling with them, they're great, eh!?
the one annoying thing is how they go out as soon as you ignore it for a few seconds.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/sexymollusk/2001bongolithcopy.jpg

the dawn of maaaaan

ya the cellulose papers are a+++++++

and you can see through them!!

and it seemed so unnatural and wrong at first!

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The cellulose rollies roll easier than papers, I find. And yeah, they do go out if you ignore them for too long, but that's not a bad thing.

Man, those cellulose papers end up getting all stuck on me. It's like smoking a j rolled scotch tape. Maybe my rolling technique is off?

Im not a fan and it almost ruined "That '70s Show" for me until I realized that was heroin they were smoking in the circle.

Our local news anchors call it "pot". Is that normal?

Not if he's trying to sell it to you.

I used to love it but don't seem to be capable of enjoying it anymore. Every time I smoke I just feel the same dull, irritating cloudiness without much of the beautiful sensory overload I used to get.

i smoked with my parents for the first time this summer. i knew my dad smoked and brought some home specifically at his request, but christ, my mom? that was unexpected. she was so militantly anti-drug when i was growing up and confiscated much from both my sister and i. one time she searched my sister's bag and found smelling salts, like the packets that come in first aid kits, and in all seriousness asked us "are these POPPERS?!" my sister had no clue what poppers were, and i just started laughing because i only knew of them as a fabled gay club drug which nobody in rural new england would ever even no where to obtain or why. she had obviously read about it in an outdated pamphlet and decided we were poppers addicts or something.

Anyways sorry to digress (weed lol) after smoking with the family, my mom later asked if i would be her "hook-up"! it just is so funny to me.

weed is classic, basically

also, i have no idea why my sister had smelling salts in her bag, but it probably was to see if you could get high of them. we were stupid, stupid teenagers.

neutral. obvious classicness potential, but I've had some less-than-great experiences lately. basically, like 99% of things in life, it depends who you do it with.

classic undoubtedly, but much more fun when i was in high school and there was an element of rebellion involved. now i just eat doritos and listen to panda bear, which is still classic, but not as fun.

I've had less-than-great experiences lately as well, though they involve procurement and acquisition issues.

Marijuana - It's Just a Plant

http://justaplant.com/story/08.jpg
“What do you do with the flowers?” asked Jackie.

“My friends eat them,” said Bob, “and smoke ‘em.”

“They smoke flowers?!”

“Yep. Doctors, teachers, artists, actors, even mayors and presidents. Marijuana makes some people feel happy. Other people say it’s ‘dreamy.’”

“Why do you use it, Farmer Bob?” asked Jackie.

“I don’t,” he said. “It just puts me to sleep!”

that made me want to stop smoking pot.

A psychedelic doctor is a person in your neighborhood
In your neighborhood
In your neigh-bor-hood
A stoner father is a person in your neighborhood
They're the people that you meet
When you're walking down the street
They're the people that you meet
each
day

I do kind of wish my bedroom looked like this:

http://justaplant.com/story/02.jpg

400 marijuana plants seized in Arlington; value estimated at 400 marijuana plants seized in Arlington; value estimated at $2.6 million.6 million

;_;

There is only one thing you can do when you seize that much marijuana - burn it all at once in a giant pile outside, and stand in the smoke to make sure it's being burned properly.

http://www.geocities.com/randomnoisebursts/barrylevon.jpg

LeVon: Aw yeah.
Barry: Aw yeah, baby.
LeVon: It's that time.
Barry: Aw, you know it's that time.
LeVon: I'm Le Von.
Barry: And I'm Barry, Sagittarius.
LeVon: And it's time, it's time for two point six
Barry: million dollars
LeVon: worth of marijuana'.
Barry: worth of marijuana'.
Barry: Now I know what you're thinkin'
LeVon: "Barry and Le Von, where did you get two point six million dollars?"
Barry: (shake head and put finger to mouth) Shhhhhh.
LeVon: Aw yeah.
Barry: Don't worry your pretty little head about it, baby
LeVon: It ain't your concern.

People do love them some drugs, so I accept that people will always be popping, smoking, injecting, inhaling, chugging and whatever the hell else ways you can cram them into one's bloodstream. I do hate to see people go off the deep end with them, though. Nasty bit of awful when that happens. It happens a lot.

As drugs go, weed is not the worst. It's been a long, long time since I smoked. I've been legal a long time. Alcohol. A bit of caffeine. Just the classics.

If everything became legal tomorrow, I might be tempted to dabble more, but I know in every brain cell I own that it's not especially good for my health. I like my health. I miss it when it's gone.

but what if your health were to be outlawed?

I will cross that bridge when I come to it.

first rule: do not put the cat in the bong.

http://rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk/Stoned%20Cat%2002.jpeg

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/media/ALeqM5i-r0bTAqBx6tUFK_XbkoYvP3nqYw

getting animals high is really nothing new but seriously why would you stuff a cat into ^^ that and smoke it u sick fuck

fallon just had a joke about this story in his monologue

this would not be a good idea for those allergic to cats

Classic unless you're visiting your sister during holidays and trying to play euchre. "Uh, what's trump?...Weird how spades and hearts nearly look alike. If you squint you can't tell 'em apart...Ooh, Cypress Hill! 'Here is something you can't understand.'...What's trump again?...Sorry, thought I just dealt. Did I give you four cards or five?" And Scrabble's even worse.

(Finally got our mom and her senior-citizen sister to smoke last summmer, for the first time. Fun!)

Dude etc..

tragedy

terrible

:(

damn I coulda stood there

what a disaster for cheetos

I think I might be over it. Over the past couple of years I've only smoked once in a blue moon and usually it just ends up with me falling asleep for hours immediately after eating everything in the house. Idk. I think I've just kind of outgrown it. Not saying I wouldn't smoke at a party once in a blue moon or anything but as far as seeking it out etc. - don't think that's my thing anymore.

ALWAYS A CLASSIC

only once ever have i really, truly, enjoyed myself while stoned, and that was the very first time.

sad cause when it's around i will try to recapture the magic so to speak but it never works right.

http://www.marieclaire.com/celebrity-lifestyle/articles/living/female-stoners-2

She even managed to drop 25 pounds despite smoking regularly. Her secret: She eats a healthy meal right before she smokes, which seems to curb her appetite.

^^ sardines i bet

Hope that last woman's insurance company doesn't read the magazine.

wrt to original thread topic, i'd prob say classic even tho i've done it maybe 3 times in the past 5-6 years.

my biggest smoking days were in high school, actually, which is kind of a bummer b/c i'd prob enjoy it more now. college i barely smoked

"I'll go to the gym for an hour, then come back home and smoke a joint while I listen to jazz and read a book—I just finished The Fountainhead.

This is very concerning to me.

really tho i think it's only ideal in circumstances where u have like 4-5 good friends/siblings/cousins, some records to listen to, maybe a movie to watch or something. even better if you've got some good food to cook together, that was one of my favorite things to do after smoking. i hated doing it at parties

"Alcohol makes you feel more social, but weed works in a different way. You're quieter, more contemplative. My friends and I get more in depth about specific issues," she says.

Wait, hold on ... WOMEN smoke pot?

"I love to have a glass of wine now and again, but going out and downing sugary cocktails isn't fun for me. And drinking is so much more expensive," says Debbie Schwartz, a 28-year-old reality-show production manager who recently moved to New York from Los Angeles.

^^^ cutty's dream girl

those ladies sound intolerable tbqf

how long before nytimes style section covers this "trend"

Hey kind buds, you're looking good. Had to buy shwag bag a couple of weeks ago cuz I couldn't find you anywhere, but now you are back in my life in a major way. I have a lot of homework to do this weekend, so we may have to cool it a bit, but don't go far, baby. XO Trip.

sort of a dud for me.

Bridges says sex was much better when she was high, helping her to shed her inhibitions. "Sometimes I'd wonder, Am I doing the right thing? Am I getting him off? When I smoke, it's all about me. I'm not worried so much about what he's thinking. And it helps him enjoy it more, too, because I'm not psyching myself out," she says.

would like to ask him about this!

qualified classic. an every now and then thing.

actually yea, qualified classic.

fun for the first 40 minutes, then i feel cloudy as fuck

& if ur having some kind of rough night or feel a little bet self-conscious about something then it can totally ruin you imo - u can start self-analyzing to a pretty horrible degree

yea even times when i have enjoyed it i have eventually come to a point where i'm like k i don't want to be fucking high anymore.

most times i'm drunk i think i don't wanna be drunk anymore! i used to hate getting hi but last time i did it it was fun. maybe a once a year thing, like a holiday

the self-analysis thing doesn't have to be like that. i used to get really bothered by that but now i just kind of chill with my thoughts, instead of letting them freak me out.

yup.

I can't remember the last time I smoked (or drank for that matter). Time to make a change.

just got a new vaporizer, life is good

omg lucky

i'm a little weirded out by the abuse of the medicinal marijuana system. everyone i know who smokes weed in l.a. has a card and a bullshit reason for needing it. i'm not sure if i'm weirded out for any good reason, though, like if it actually affects those who genuinely can use marijuana for serious medical issues.

weirdo

¯\(°_o)/¯

omar little otm

omar little spoiled by legal marijuana

i'm a little weirded out by the abuse of the medicinal marijuana system.

i need to move back and get weirded on the regular.

LOL LETS GET WEIRD!

http://www.marijuanamedicine.com/?gclid=CLbXzJnUnJ0CFSn6agodpTQX_Q

Wait, hold on ... WOMEN smoke pot?

<3ing u jaymc

Natalie Angier wrote a nice bit about her mother once, in a book of essays about mothers. It was a dear little piece about how her mother shared her cure for anorgasmia, which was smoking a joint beforehand.

Such a mother-to-daughter talk would have made my early 20s much easier.

http://www.justabovesunset.com/200901/assets/images/autogen/a_060102_LBTII01.jpg

One of these days I will live in a state where it is not a crime for me to medicate my MS.

mind you i'm not trying to "SB" anyone's 420

http://www.justabovesunset.com/200901/assets/images/autogen/a_060102_LBTII02.jpg

WANT

high-ly selassie

mind you i'm not trying to "SB" anyone's 420

to the contrary, it seems you ARE

these places are spreading like ..... all over LA

http://www.walkaboutjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/medical-marijuana-sign-hollywood.jpg

oh no

my question is does this use of the system by people who--it could be argued--do not "need" marijuana affect those who do. if not, i don't care about the issue.

smoke good
vape better
cookies best

I am not shopping at any atrocity like that that requires my name and personal info, sorry.

I R PARANOID

(but get back to me once CA outright legalizes weed in the next few years. cuz its gonna happen)

it's only weed,man.

yeah and the feds don't like it

cookies best

Harder to dose optimally, though.

yeah, baking is kind of a crapshoot.

unless you're doing it yourself.

my question is does this use of the system by people who--it could be argued--do not "need" marijuana affect those who do. if not, i don't care about the issue.

― omar little, Thursday, October 1, 2009 1:28 PM

honestly I think it helps. more demand = more availability and geographical convenience, which matters in LA.

and yeah I lol at the ads in the back of LA Weekly with, like, Well Dressed Businessy Black Guy and Well Dressed Businessy White Guy, but most of the "prescriptions" for "anxiety" are probably going to functionig people who use weed to self-medicate for anxiety anyway, so no harm no foul imo.

when does Oakland's marijuana business tax go into effect? it could be a real turning point once the $$ starts rolling in.

xpost I really can't see stoners having any affect on the sick unless the perceived 'abuse of the system' causes the medical marijuana laws to be repealed. it's not like there's going to be any shortage of weed (except in my pipe at the moment :( )

I am just really wary of participating in such a kinda-sorta-legal system. granted the CA prisons can't hold anymore non-violent drug offenders (lolz thx budget crisis!) but... yeah, I dunno get back to me when its REALLY legal.

cookies best

yes, the best, but then you are eating cookies.

;)

Dude I know swears by Coconut Oil as far as weed food goes. I need to try it.

I am just really wary of participating in such a kinda-sorta-legal system. granted the CA prisons can't hold anymore non-violent drug offenders (lolz thx budget crisis!) but... yeah, I dunno get back to me when its REALLY legal.

Shakey I dig the lib-left SF paranoia, I really do, but the DA's office has been instructed by the Board of Supes to treat personal possession as their last priority in SF and if the Feds are after you, you have way too much weed on your hands.

oh yeah I know that and I'm cool with personal possession within my locale - but it seems a bit different down in LA. And even so, I dunno I just don't want my name on a list somewhere.

there's gonna be some kinda huge legal showdown between the state of CA (which is obviously moving towards outright legalization) and the Supreme Court/DEA and I dunno how that's gonna shake out. Its possible CA's laws will get struck down and the Feds will strongarm the state... maybe not likely, but possible.

as it is I just get free weed from my neighbor (who runs a pot club)

Love that guy!

I think it will eventually be like gay marriage - 'cause I've met lots of right-wing dickweeds my age and younger who love weed. It's when the generation that was conned into thinking it was a rape drug used by 'colored' people to rape your daughter or at least corrupt her morals have passed that many of them, at least the ones who aren't abjectly cretinous anti-tax libertarians will want to tax and oversee like w/liquor. Plus, all those reddish states who like sucking on the Federal teat so much while espousing 'fiscal conservatism' may eventually be convinced that they could make mad cash growing.

yeah agreed about the demographic shift

And even so, I dunno I just don't want my name on a list somewhere.

― the taint of Macca is strong (Shakey Mo Collier)

lol this is me. despite all evidence to the contrary I FEAR THE MAN.

you guys both live in the bay area tho xp

not sure the demographic shift is as true for young conservatives in alabama (etc.)

I mean, I'm just going off anecdotal evidence here, but there seem to be VERY few people in my parents' generation who made it through the 60s-70s without smoking weed - including plenty of people who are hardcore conservatives now and aren't pro-legalization.

Perhaps, so, iatee, but I still think they're outnumbered.

Especially since there are many economic liberals/libertarians amongst California conservatives and independents who don't like big government telling them what to do.

all the polls I've seen have suggested that yeah we do have hope in california...I just think it has more to do w/ california's weird libertarianism than w/ national demographic changes

yeah exactly

Also:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/euro2000/teams/england/790392.stm

I think this shift is true throughout CA tho (yeah obviously that doesn't apply to the rest of the country). LA's a case in point, the pot club community has exploded down there. There just aren't that many demographics in this state that are against it.

x-posts

yeah but that has to be put in contrast w/ the rest of the country, where the republicans, young and old, realllllly aren't libertarians. like...in any sense...

I've been harvesting a lot of public policy reports for the institutional repository at my University and almost half of them are alcohol-abuse-awareness related. I cry real heartfelt emotional tears over the hypocrisy of legal alcohol and illegal weed. Just seems so fucking obvious to me.

Bill Maher said the other night that there were more pot clubs than Starbucks in LA County.

It's when the generation that was conned into thinking it was a rape drug used by 'colored' people to rape your daughter or at least corrupt her morals have passed

c'mon dude, there aren't that many nonagenarians left

what's the compare/contrast on vapor vs. bubbler?

no contest

that wasn't the question iirc.

vapor is incredibly smooth. (way) smoother than any kind of literal smoking.

btw i think i smoke too much but i am looking at using weed more effectively to enhance my life.

ditto, ian. is the actual hi any dif? how much would a decent one set me back?

i know nothing about pricing, having never owned a vaporizer. but i had a roommate for a few years who did and it was a pretty device to have on hand. the high didn't seem to be significantly different but it's hard to say since it's been years since i've used a vaporizer.

I've known folks who claim that they don't get high from vapors.
I'm not one of them.

A Volcano is like $400. Love 'em, but not worth the $ imo.

i get wayyyy higher off vapors than smoke but the actual high isnt very different

It's basically a crack pipe but in college days people (who most certainly were not me, hi IT dudes at work) used a little glass thing called an ubie that was like $10 and had most of the benefits of a vape

If THEY held the lighter too close to it, though, it just became a regular pipe.

Volcano is where it's at. I wish someone would buy me one. Weed Fairy, where art thou?

the high is waaaaaaaaay different

i've been using vaporizers since 1998

imo, the high is cleaner, less confusing, more hallucinatory

max u should come over

ill bring the sardines

dunno i get intimidated by vapes last time i got high on one i spent 2 hours waiting for a pizza and then realized i never ordered one

and you think the high is different?

not different

btw i have plenty of sardines here

http://nymag.com/news/features/58995/

It's definitely different. But to a rookie, high is high.

fuckin rookies

They always scorch the whole bowl. It's rude and amateurish.

save some green asshole

a little glass thing called an ubie that was like $10 and had most of the benefits of a vape

We got one of these but couldn't really get the hang of it. Either nothing came out of it at all or as said above we'd hold the lighter too close and it'd just be like a normal pipe. Never used it again cos we've not been able to get a decent supply for over 2 years now and haven't really got enough to waste trying to figure it out.

Hate when folks torch the bowl. Just blazing the flame the whole time that they are taking their hit. It's lit already! Don't fucking scorch the whole bowl!

I wish I had a volcano of my own.

The turkey roasting bag on the Volcano is what makes it fool proof. Too many other vaporizers, you're all "did I get a hit?"

I like to turn the setting up high on the volcano. It's cool cuz its variable! You can change the concentration of the vapors! Also, you can cook with or even smoke the weed after you've vaporized it, usually, and is good to have around when you run out of fresh shit. Better than resin or roaches, anyway. IMO.

eh that vapor in the bag gets stale

That's why you take the whole thing in one toke!
(no you don't, you'll turn green)

A whole bag of vapor is for sharing, not camping.

the model i use is mostly single hit and i think it is both more economical and efficient

this all sounds good (cept for the $400). so it solves the scorched bowl problem? i just hate the taste of mostly burnt smoke.

keep reading this thread title as classic or bud

vape is classic 4 all time btw its def cleaner cutty otm

the VaporGenie is the best vape for your dollar and looks like a regular tobacco pipe. You can smoke it in public and pretend that your multiple hits are merely attempts to light the damn thing. Then you can pretend to give up in frustration once you're high and none's the wiser.

dunno i get intimidated by vapes last time i got high on one i spent 2 hours waiting for a pizza and then realized i never ordered one

― fleetwood (max), Friday, October 2, 2009 6:24 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

LOL

that logic is probably a lot more convincing if you're high

xp

whoa i'ma have to look into

classic or bud ha

noone's the wiser

Later, you can pretend that picking your nose is an attempt to scratch your upper lip.

never vaped, kinda scared of it

i don't really need "more hallucinatory"

hes not really otm about that part its just a better buzz

just ordered a genie

vapors def make my vision fuzzy. maybe it's the strain i was smoking.

i just got a new dealer, i think we will have a great relationship

was that your sardines 4 w33d ad i saw on cl?

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2009/09/call_for_pot_dispensary_review.php

Anyone live in the Denver Metro area?

Best President ever?

Feds to issue new medical marijuana policy

By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer Devlin Barrett, Associated Press Writer 14 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Federal drug agents won't pursue pot-smoking patients or their sanctioned suppliers in states that allow medical marijuana, under new legal guidelines to be issued Monday by the Obama administration.

Two Justice Department officials described the new policy to The Associated Press, saying prosecutors will be told it is not a good use of their time to arrest people who use or provide medical marijuana in strict compliance with state law.

The guidelines to be issued by the department do, however, make it clear that agents will go after people whose marijuana distribution goes beyond what is permitted under state law or use medical marijuana as a cover for other crimes, the officials said.

The new policy is a significant departure from the Bush administration, which insisted it would continue to enforce federal anti-pot laws regardless of state codes.

Fourteen states allow some use of marijuana for medical purposes: Alaska, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington.

California is unique among those for the widespread presence of dispensaries — businesses that sell marijuana and even advertise their services. Colorado also has several dispensaries, and Rhode Island and New Mexico are in the process of licensing providers, according to the Marijuana Policy Project, a group that promotes the decriminalization of marijuana use.

Attorney General Eric Holder said in March that he wanted federal law enforcement officials to pursue those who violate both federal and state law, but it has not been clear how that goal would be put into practice.

A three-page memo spelling out the policy is expected to be sent Monday to federal prosecutors in the 14 states, and also to top officials at the FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration.

The memo, the officials said, emphasizes that prosecutors have wide discretion in choosing which cases to pursue, and says it is not a good use of federal manpower to prosecute those who are without a doubt in compliance with state law.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the legal guidance before it is issued.

"This is a major step forward," said Bruce Mirken, communications director for the Marijuana Policy Project. "This change in policy moves the federal government dramatically toward respecting scientific and practical reality."

At the same time, the officials said, the government will still prosecute those who use medical marijuana as a cover for other illegal activity. The memo particularly warns that some suspects may hide old-fashioned drug dealing or other crimes behind a medical marijuana business.

In particular, the memo urges prosecutors to pursue marijuana cases which involve violence, the illegal use of firearms, selling pot to minors, money laundering or involvement in other crimes.

And while the policy memo describes a change in priorities away from prosecuting medical marijuana cases, it does not rule out the possibility that the federal government could still prosecute someone whose activities are allowed under state law.

The memo, officials said, is designed to give a sense of prosecutorial priorities to U.S. attorneys in the states that allow medical marijuana. It notes that pot sales in the United States are the largest source of money for violent Mexican drug cartels, but adds that federal law enforcement agencies have limited resources.

Medical marijuana advocates have been anxious to see exactly how the administration would implement candidate Barack Obama's repeated promises to change the policy in situations in which state laws allow the use of medical marijuana.

Soon after Obama took office, DEA agents raided four dispensaries in Los Angeles, prompting confusion about the government's plans.

___

On the Net:

Drug Enforcement Administration: http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/

Marijuana Policy Project: http://www.mpp.org/

awesome.

dope!

good news.

:o)

obama for prez!

Welcome to Potopia
A nine-block section of downtown Oakland, Calif., has become a modern marijuana mecca—and a model for what a legalized-drug America could look like. Why the stars are aligning for the pro-weed movement.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/217942

high times

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090804135204AAKWBc4

kinda takes all the fun outta doping eh?

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/10/23/marijuana/index.html

I have some hope.

"Yet a world-class athlete like Michael Phelps is ridiculed, punished and forced to apologize for marijuana, the use of which contributes to zero deaths, and has never been linked to violent or reckless behavior. Why the double standard?"

this is up there with richard dawkins' 'if there was no religion there would be no wars' on the bullshit scale, though.

NEVER been linked to reckless behavior, eh?

xp otm, both of those statements have a tinge of righteousness but are equally thoughtless and unhelpful

yeah, I think the hypocrisy pushes people to hyperbolic statements.
I just think that seeing articles like this is at least a step in the right direction. I don't think decriminalization makes smoking any less fun, either, fwiw. I mean, getting drunk is still fun, right?

i don't get high because i think it's fun to break the law

i get high because the world is a funny place

i get high because high

Ever have the "smoking pot" dream, where you totally get high in your dream? Waking up is more of a comedown than usual, but at least it's fast.

Is there any other drug that you can dream about using and get 100% of the effect in your dream? I don't think I've ever had any "drunk" dreams.

No, never.

I swear it's real. And it's WAY fun.

dude, you should try lucid dreaming - you can make up strange alien drugs and try them and have the most intense drug experiences you've ever felt without any negative effects or comedown or hangover or fried synapses. and you can like mix and match, oh, i'll have the euphoria of that one and the visual hallucinations of that one, but without any of the nasty paranoia of either. kinda makes *actual* drugs experiences seem almost a let down by comparison

not that i've ever done any of that mind you

Actually, in my dream I was smoking pot, being really happy about that, and having a conversation about how cool it is when you dream about getting high. It wasn't quite lucid, but it was certainly meta.

Absolute dud is seeing any loud band when stoned. The minute they start playing I start to think I'm about to fall over and have to go and lean against a wall. Now never smoke before gigs.

Oh I completely have stoned dreams. I agree, way fun.

Ten years ago=ultra classic
Now=Weird scary dud.

chap, ten years ago = ultra classic
chap, now = weird scary dude

I roll MASSIVE joints in my dreams. Like using wallpaper instead of rizlas or something. And usually in the dream I am at school and trying to smuggle my gigantic spliff out to the canal towpath so I can smoke it without getting caught by teachers. This is a recurring dream for some reason.

hugely classic, though i'm a 3x/ month smoker at best these days. i really need to learn to control my intake when i do smoke, though. i can get too high and then it's kind of dud. maybe i need some low potency 70s ditch weed

i smoked a bunch of hash last year when is was in Eur. that seemed to suit me much better.

Just a coupla weeks ago, I dreamt that I tried E for the first time, and waited in vain for it to kick in, which it never did, just gave me a running nose.

can get too high and then it's kind of dud. maybe i need some low potency 70s ditch weed

― feed them to the (Linden Ave) lions (will), Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:49 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

for real. i quit smoking altogether for a few years for this very reason.

thinking about laying off for a while but winter break is coming up so probably not.

i think what was said upthread about weed exacerbating already troubled emotions is true. you just gotta find your happy place.

post exams listening to records watching a light snow slowly coat the slums where i live hitting the vape

1st time in mb like a month too

Loving the Vapor Genie I got after reading this thread. Only problem is it depletes my stash so much faster.

what kind of vape you got lamp?

dud for a while. After exams I smoked for 4 days straight... it was probably decent weed since it had a stupid sounding name (bubblegum kush). On the 4th day I was walking around, and could only think things like, "I am the moss on the underside of a rock in the dark part of the forest." Definitely time to quit.

if you can't smoke for 4 days straight without that happening to you, i think the dud is you, not marijuana.

i think you were close to making a breakthrough frankly

man this thread is weird

I mean I'm a pretty neurotic/socially-anxious person, and I don't really like being high around strangers or large groups for that reason, but smokin' a bowl by myself or hittin' the bong with a couple bros = all-time 24/7 super-classic

great for:

- watching movies
- listening to music
- reading
- 'talking about the world'
- etc.

-playing connect four

- driving around and thinking about how weird it would be if god decided to change the streets around while people were driving once in their lives and how it would be all fucked up if this was your time and how do you know if you're driving down the right street

- contemplating ethics

- inventing games

- sitting around

- not being bored

- nachos

- doin it

- eating

- playing scrabble

- walkin' around in the sunshine

- breathing!

- rippin fresh pow w/yr bros

discovered that my cat, mark, really likes weed today

mark otm

impairs ppl's judgment of comedy. dud.

morbs fwiw i am opposite when it comes to that! because i'm one of those weirdos that eschews human/social interaction when i get stoned, i also get hypercritical of film and comedy. like a lot of stoneriffic highly visual favs just look gross and fake to me, and idiot comedy becomes grotesque. my ~friends~ get hilarious, but most movies or w/e seem forced. the only movie i can think of that was genuinely "better" on w33d was Jackie Brown, and I think the pacing had a lot to do with it. it's also just a dope-ass movie anyway

just fyi

I once watched King of Comedy and it freaked me out. So I switched to the Brothers Solomon. I think the thing about watching flicks under the influence is that they make really awful films tolerable. I didn't suddenly think Brothers Solomon was a good movie, but I enjoyed watching it and talking about it. (I did watch House Bunny about a week ago and it was one of the funniest films I've ever seen -- I'm afraid to watch it sober and discover it's not as funny as I thought.)

ILX film threads explained

I think the thing about watching flicks under the influence is that they make really awful films tolerable

RONG (for me)

i understand that this is how most weed-heads operate, but i am the exact opposite. tolerable films become awful. just, like, deeply, deeply awful. directorial missteps, wooden acting, shitty FX, w/e---they all come to the fore and i'm usually revolted. then again, really great (or v v competent/cohesive) films can improve, because i'm willing to trust (for lack of a better word) the experience.

yes having better "judgment" of comedy is preferable to laughing more often

who said this is about preferences

oh wait that was @ morbs?

i bet!

my goal is to hone my judgment to where i laugh at one marx bros gag and nothing else.

"and two hardboiled eggs."

my experience of bad movies is the same as gbx. And almost anything on television is cruel punishment.

I will tell you what not to watch when you are extremely high, and that is: Irreversible.

i also get hypercritical of film and comedy. like a lot of stoneriffic highly visual favs just look gross and fake to me, and idiot comedy becomes grotesque. my ~friends~ get hilarious, but most movies or w/e seem forced

^^totally otm. i will try Jackie Brown stoned though.

i find i'm much better suited for physcial, outdoor activities when stoned. nothing particularly intense or competitive, mind you.

yeah doing stuff is way better than just veggin

stoned hikes are the best even if it takes me like an hour to go a mile

i enjoy getting lifted before a bike ride but my heartrate get elevateds

The few times I've been stoned when outdoors, I just get anxious. Prefer to just hang out with friends in a warm room.

like a steam room? friends, eh?

Outdoors in the city or outdoors real outdoors?

Fair point: it's never been in the real outdoors.

duuuuude

fair point: he's only been stoned twice

In the past week, maybe.

Missouri is great for outdoor stone.
Cave state! In/out.
I like a high drive in the country.

there was a nice wooded park right across the street from my dorm freshman year. nothing fancy, just a few trails that led down to a nice little creek (good place to find crawdads in the summer). usually a few joggers around, but not so many that you had to be paranoid; just enough that you would occasionally see somebody and smile at them and think "man, that dude has now idea how awesome I feel right now."

"3rd Rock from the Sun"

http://i50.tinypic.com/142sw8x.jpg

dud w/r/t grammar, apparently

thinkin i'm gonna quit for a month

another "normal women smoking weed" story, this time from TYRA
http://jezebel.com/5472402/tyra-soccer-mom-potheads/gallery/

lololol

As one mother put it, "I think life is better when you feel good."

I like how the lady in the audience said that she doesn't "take a giant xanax like a lot of people do" -- is mother's little helper really still that widespread among the Average American Mom demographic?

Also hilarious how Tyty was like "ARE YOU HIGH RIGHT NOW?!?!"

hahahahah leave it to ty

yeah i wanna kno where the xanax is at

xanax is very prevalent yes

is it like a valium?

ya

less potent than a valium, more of an anti-anxiety than a tranq

you can function on xanax without being a zombi

makin an appointment with my dr

valium is technically anti-anxiety too

mmm valium

the night's sleep you get on valium and red wine is...like floating on a cloud of titties

diazeBAM

when i was a kid i thought xanax was a laxative i guess because of the 'x' in both? idk

Xanax erases my memory. I like that loose feeling, tho.

An article from the Chronicle for Higher Education (hehehe)

The campus tour began promptly at 3 p.m. and was attended by a fairly typical cast of characters. There was an affable, out-of-work engineer looking to study for a new profession; a long-haired youngster all but quivering with the certainty that he had found his collegiate "perfect fit"; and, with him, a well-barbered elderly man who hovered nearby looking taciturn but not unsupportive.

"I'm the grandfather, along for the ride," the man explained

http://chronicle.com/img/photos/biz/photo_3880_landscape_large.jpg

Here ya go:

The campus tour began promptly at 3 p.m. and was attended by a fairly typical cast of characters. There was an affable, out-of-work engineer looking to study for a new profession; a long-haired youngster all but quivering with the certainty that he had found his collegiate "perfect fit"; and, with him, a well-barbered elderly man who hovered nearby looking taciturn but not unsupportive.

"I'm the grandfather, along for the ride," the man explained once the group was inside the main campus building, his tone of voice conveying a remarkable neutrality considering that, at the moment, he was surrounded by potted marijuana plants. "I wanted to make sure that this was all," he paused, "legitimate."

"He's worried about me," said the teenager with a sigh, speaking over the buzz of several high-pressure-sodium grow lamps. To which his elder replied, lovingly but firmly, "I thought that was a grandfather's prerogative."

For those of you who are just catching up to the tour: Welcome to the marijuana horticulture lab at Oaksterdam University, a local institution dedicated to providing "quality training for the cannabis industry." Or, if you like, the booming cannabis industry.

With the expansion of medical-marijuana laws in 14 states in recent years, a minor profusion of self-declared "cannabis colleges" has sprouted up, offering training to the tides of people hoping to work in the sector now that it is gaining legitimacy. Oaksterdam, which offers both weekend seminars and semester-long courses, bills itself as the first of the lot. It is also probably the most high-minded.

Founded by marijuana-legalization activists in 2007, Oaksterdam—a mashup of Oakland and Amsterdam (a city famous for its hashish cafes)—has always been part trade school, part political stunt. While offering earnest classes on the basics of running legal marijuana franchises under California law, it also offers a cheeky appropriation of the vast cultural capital that American society affords to the likes of the Ivy League. The Oaksterdam seal is a burlesque of Harvard's, with "ve-ri-tas" replaced with "can-na-bis," and the laurel leaves surrounding the shield replaced with—care to take a guess?

Oaksterdam's John Harvard is a wheelchair-using Texan named Richard Lee, a stalwart of the legalization movement since the 1990s. Thanks to him, alongside fliers that mention classes on "bud tending" and "edibles," the campus entryway is dominated by images of prisoners locked up on marijuana convictions—"The Reason Why We Fight," the placards say. Other posters advertise Mr. Lee's unprecedented initiative to tax and regulate commercial (not just medical) marijuana, a measure that will appear on the California state ballot this November.

But the real genius of Oaksterdam may lie in the realization that running a respectable trade school—with all the attendant talk of excellence, quality, and standards—is in itself a potently subversive political act. People have been making a living in the marijuana business for decades, but the careers of dealers, smugglers, and guerrilla growers have been defined by deviance and its obscure rituals. In contrast, there's a powerful social signaling effect that goes along with handing in an application, showing up for lectures, taking tests, and attending labs. It says: This is normal.

"That's the gateway theory," said Mr. Lee one recent morning, leaning his wheelchair back precariously against the wall of Oaksterdam's main lecture hall. "It's not pharmacological, it's sociological." Marijuana doesn't lead to hard drugs and crime because of anything inherent in the plant, as one hoary version of the drug-gateway theory holds; it sometimes leads to hard drugs and crime because that's been the shadowy social context that surrounds its production and distribution, he argued.

Oaksterdam, then, is all about building new, professionalized gateways to a well-lit, legitimate future. But in the rapidly shifting legal landscape surrounding marijuana, it's still not exactly clear where those gateways will lead.

Throughout the campus tour, the long-haired teenager clutched a beat-up green file folder that contained his completed Oaksterdam application. He made occasional, knowing jokes about pot that seemed designed to impress the campus tour guide, and he seemed genuinely anxious about getting in—even though Oaksterdam has a more or less open admissions policy.

Once upon a time, the teenager said, he had contemplated pursuing a degree in horticulture, maybe at the University of California at Davis. Then he found out about Oaksterdam, and all that changed. "I was convinced it was the best road for me to go down," he said with college-essay confidence, "and here I am."

Growing Business
Oaksterdam may be a university only notionally, but at a time when most colleges are lucky if they can tread water, it has grown rapidly. Its main branch opened in a cafe-sized storefront in 2007 and moved to a department-store-sized space a year later. This year it moved yet again, to a 30,000-square-foot converted office building. And satellite campuses have opened in Los Angeles; Sebastopol, Calif.; and Flint, Mich.

The college also recently expanded its roster of academic departments. They now include horticulture, political science, biology, "canna-business," and "methods of ingestion."

Mr. Lee took a break from his usual business that morning to sign a stack of diplomas due to be awarded on the Los Angeles campus. The stacks are growing in step with the university. "It started off as a political thing," he said of Oaksterdam, "and then it turned into a business."

Oaksterdam is not an accredited institution (its Web site helpfully makes clear that course credits are nontransferable), and it's hard to imagine its ever becoming one. After all, just growing the amount of marijuana that quivers under the lights in the university's horticulture lab is grounds for a federal felony conviction.

The federal government, which still officially regards cannabis as a dangerous drug, has sent signals that it will not prosecute citizens who are playing by their own states' medical-marijuana rules. But because of the gulf between state and federal laws, most established institutions still refuse to have anything to do with medical pot. The gray areas of medical marijuana are still very gray.

When someone on the tour finally asked the grandfather what he really thought of his grandson's going to Oaksterdam, the older man paused for a moment to think. "Well, I'm up in the air," he finally said. "You never know where your life is going to take you. You never know what's going to happen."

He was worried about the discrepancy between state and federal law but sensed that the tide had turned against prohibition. "If it all goes the way I think it might in the future, and he gets in at the ground level—and he doesn't become a pothead," the grandfather said, "then I think he could make a good living." After a while he added: "He's gonna be 18 here, and he's gonna do what he wants anyway."

A few minutes later, the young man—in a baggy T-shirt that showed Einstein writing "E = mc²" on a blackboard—walked up to the main reception desk at Oaksterdam and nervously handed in his application. Not sure if he would make the cut, he hovered by the desk until a secretary assured him that he had a seat in this semester's class.

(CNN) -- The latest trend at teen parties isn't warm beer or prescription medicines pilfered from parents' medicine cabinets. Instead, increasing numbers of youths are turning to an herb-based product to get high, and unlike marijuana, it's perfectly legal.

It's known as K2 or Spice, a synthetic substance that, when smoked, gives users a marijuana-like high, according to drug authorities. Its growing popularity is causing increasing alarm among health care professionals, law enforcement authorities and lawmakers, with one Drug Enforcement Agency official calling its use the equivalent of "playing Russian roulette."

Manufactured in Asia and sold online or in local stores, K2 and similar substances are marketed as herbal incense. A disclaimer on a K2-selling Web site reads: "K2Herbal products are novelty incenses and are not for consumption."

Sold in various flavors in 3-gram bags, the product consists of herbs that are sprayed with synthetic substances that mimic THC, the high-causing natural chemical found in marijuana.

A call to regulate K2

Health and drug officials say the danger in using such products is the unregulated nature of their production and makeup.

"Our biggest concern is that this particular chemical is likely manufactured in a dorm-room setting. And these dorm-room scientists are not going to be exhibiting a lot of quality assurance techniques," says Dr. Gaylord Lopez, a toxicologist and head of the Georgia Poison Center.

As a result, there's a potential for users to inhale contaminants along with the substance they think they're smoking, Lopez said, which may be a contributing factor in the adverse symptoms some of its users have been experiencing.

Political activist wants K2 banned

"Synthetic drugs and herbal drug products like Spice and K2 are not made in a controlled environment and thus you are playing Russian roulette when it comes to these types of products," said Dawn Dearden, a spokeswoman for the DEA, which first began receiving reports about abuse of the substance last year. "There is no way, outside of a controlled laboratory environment, to determine the chemical makeup, synthetic ingredients or amounts, and therefore there is no way to determine with any accuracy what the potentially harmful effects may be."

Lopez says his center first heard of the substance in December when Georgia hospitals began reporting patients who had used K2 or Spice.

Since then, the center has seen a spike in cases, with 20 people -- mostly teenagers -- visiting emergency rooms with such symptoms as heart palpitations and respiratory issues. In the most serious case, an otherwise healthy teenage boy, who has since recovered, lapsed into a coma, Lopez said.

According to Dearden, additional side effects can include panic attacks, hallucinations, delusions, vomiting, increased agitation and dilated pupils.

Around the center, Lopez said his employees have begun referring to the substance as "Scary Spice."

Earlier this month, Kansas became the first state to ban synthetic marijuana.

Kansas state Sen. Jim Barnett, a supporter of the effort, said the ban was prompted by reports of abuse of K2 and similar products in cities across the state among high school students and prison parolees who were using it as an alternative to pot to avoid a positive drug test.

Lawmakers in several other states are considering similar legislation, including Georgia, Utah, Missouri, Tennessee, Kentucky, North Dakota and Illinois.

"Although it is a synthetic drug, it is still a drug with a high potential for abuse," says Barnett, who is a physician. "It was our desire in Kansas to be ahead of the problem."

K2 has already been banned in some European countries, including Britain, Germany, Poland and France, and the DEA lists it as a drug of concern in the United States.

"We are seeing several indications that these THC-like substances could become a significant problem both domestically and internationally," Dearden says.

She says the agency is in "the preliminary stages of determining whether or not some or all of (synthetic substances) need to be controlled."

fake weed is something I cannot come to terms with

I'm not a big fan of the real stuff, but fake weed is totally sad.

the spice must flow

http://www.dailystab.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/melanie-brown.jpg

Would smoke.

UK banned this stuff last year. It's really not very nice, and people only buy it because the real (and less dangerous) stuff is illegal.

We've got a similar thing with methadrone over here at the moment. Again, horrible stuff (like bad E and bad coke rolled together) and people only get it cos it legal and the good stuff isn't.

I'm not a big fan of the real stuff, but fake weed is totally sad.

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:55 AM (17 minutes ago)

California ballot initiative to legalize gets enough signatures. Measure's main advocate made me lol with his explanation of what happens next: "There's all kinds of big professional politicos who are coming on board now to take it to the next level," Lee said.

Our biggest concern is that this particular chemical is likely manufactured in a dorm-room setting.

being used in a dorm room settng too; what's the problem?

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2372/i100411marktrail.jpg

If we had avatars mine would SO be the opening panel, his name in pink.

i want to learn more about hemp.

let me google that for you

Smash the IP/GP/Weyerhauser hegemony, Mark Trail.

Marijuana Fuels a New Kitchen Culture

that article is cool but lines like "Call it haute stoner cuisine" need to be exterminated w/extreme prejudice imo

yep. luckily i don't see anyone who doesn't write for a living ever calling anything that.

yeah i read that article and it was funny but since when are chefs not the biggest stoners on the planet

they will snort or consume anything on earth. its their thing.

back at the dishwashing station we mainly stuck to crank

i think the point was that before chefs would just concoct munchies for themselves and other chefs after their shifts at fancy white-tablecloth joints, but now they have restaurants that reflect those after hours hangout sessions and are focused on stoner fare?

interesting NYT article about role of black vote

Jocelyn Elders = for, a bunch of churches = against

Someone send me some lsd.

Thanks.

whoa, did not know the opposition was polling (ever so slightly) better. I knew it was close, but thought the numbers were the other way around...

Five Thirty-Eight weighs in

i have got stoned w/mark trail in the early nineties at a meet 'n' greet

hero!

http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/hartford_cty/man-calls-911-with-pot-law-inquiry

Make sure you actually listen to the call, though.

king of the eyesores, my condolences. You can't choose how your zombified husband acts, but his bad choices are horrible for him and are going to force some extremely painful choices on you.
You need to decide whether you can live with him this way for the rest of your life. If you can't, then you have to decide where your cut-off point is. Then you have to make it absolutely clear to your husband where that cut-off point is and how much or how little you'll support him in making better choices and following through on them - but if he fails to make better choices, you'll cut him off. Then you have to act like you meant every word. That takes enormous strength - after all, you love him.

― Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 14 November 2004 18:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm imagining this unbelivably sanctimonius post spoken in Dr. Melfi's voice.

Is Cutty still around? I need someone to tell me about vaporizers. (I feel like I've been getting a sore throat a lot lately.)

cutty died of a vaporizer

dunno i get intimidated by vapes last time i got high on one i spent 2 hours waiting for a pizza and then realized i never ordered one

― fleetwood (max), Friday, October 2, 2009 7:24 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Oh I didn't know. RIP.

Also lol @ u

rip phantom pizza

youll be missed

on that same night, some other vaporized dude got a pizza delivered and didn't even remember ordering it

lollll max

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/marijuana-washes-up-on-ventura-county-beach.html

~~~~~

I guess that the tide was high...

lol

" i'm like that uptown haze
that real thugs blaze "

-- mariah carey

dud

what happened, buddy?

This is so infuriiating: http://www.buzzfeed.com/amandachicagolewis/americas-white-only-weed-boom#.pjEvR44WO

"David Bruno, an architect of the failed 2015 legalization initiative in Ohio, told BuzzFeed News last fall that he had recently hired, for a cannabis-related company, someone who has a clean record but 20 years of experience growing weed illegally. Both Bruno and the man he hired are white. As for the many black marijuana growers who — in part because of discriminatory policing — did not escape that era with a clean record, Bruno has little sympathy.

“There’s not going to be a clean bill of health for anyone that was active and got caught,” Bruno said. “Those things are not going to happen. There’s a cost of reform and revolution. We’re not a nice society, and there’s not going to be reparations.”"

who gives a shit?

how's the weed in denmark?

Much better than in the US. But they closed the free hash market down, and a couple of years later the city had it's first gang war in a decade. So that was stupid.

i don't know, buddy, got some amazing weed in the u.s.a. bet you've got them beat on exotic imported hash. but shit, what gangs were involved in that?

Rockers and immigrants, basically. It wasn't that bad, a gang war in Copenhagen is a very small kind of gang war, and nobody has any experience shooting people, so very few people got hit. It was still stupid.

And I didn't really do weed so much in the us, but it wasn't that good.

just judging by what euros tell me, west coast boutique weed down to delivery service regs blow them away, but they were mostly from the uk so maybe that doesn't really count. what else are you guys doing over there? what's a gram of blow go for? lotta pills?
i'm going to watch this al jazeera report on denmark's gang war.

"I don't think that the Danes as such are racists. But I think that they are afraid of what is going to happen with our society. It is about you are either with us or against us. I think that Bush rhetoric has been very sort of contagious also into Danish politics," Magrethe Vestager, the leader of Denmark's Social Liberal Party, says.

did you spend a while in the u.s.? what were you up to?

If being a bit judgmental I would guess that the US probably has more weed diversity, a higher ceiling for boutique weed, but lower standard of bong culture weed. Copenhagen had the free market i Pusher Street. Which was free of hard drugs. I would guess that uk weed culture is rubbish, but that is solely based on their food culture and extrapolating that they have no taste at all. Sorry, uk ilxors.

I have no idea about drug culture. I did a bit of weed when I was younger, but never anything else but that.

I studied at UCSD for a year. So I was living in San Diego. And perhaps it's college bong culture, not really representational for weed culture at large.

If being a bit judgmental

Perish the thought.

they finally shut down the market in Christiania?

Well, not really, but they're doing their best. It definitely hurt it, and made a lot of the trade go underground. But I'm talking about something that began way back.

frederik when did you last smoke weed in the US?

ime the weed scene has changed dramatically in the US, the proliferation of high potency strains enabled by more relaxed medical & recreational cannabis laws has made it far far easier to find good weed. i haven't smoked that much weed in europe beyond amsterdam but even there i thought high potency US weed was much better

15-20 years ago unless you lived out west or had a good connect i do think it was harder to find good weed, "kind buds" only rarely came around when i was in high school in the midwest but now i honestly feel like it is harder to find cheap brick mexican schwag (not that you would want to)

even "college bong culture" now utilizes boutique weed ime

both have good weed but my perception is that the u.s. has MORE good weed, more r&d more people growing more people smoking more discerning consumers more retail operations. but i haven't smoked weed in europe in a long, long time.

also, freddie if you have any other stories about ucsd dorm room hijinks or trips down to tj whatever....

a lot of the weed coming out of mexico is fire now, too, mildly compressed crystally popcorn.

California > Christiania > UK ime. There's not that much in it tbh, it's just harder to get good stuff in the UK than the others.

What this has to with food culture is beyond me, but then "I have no idea about drug culture. I did a bit of weed when I was younger" might explain that.

BC bud 4eva

seems kinda crazy to say "our illegal drug market got shut down but weed in the US sucks" in, you know, 2016

sigh.

The Obama administration has denied a bid by two Democratic governors to reconsider how it treats marijuana under federal drug control laws, keeping the drug for now, at least, in the most restrictive category for U.S. law enforcement purposes.

Drug Enforcement Administration chief Chuck Rosenberg says the decision is rooted in science. Rosenberg gave "enormous weight" to conclusions by the Food and Drug Administration that marijuana has "no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States," and by some measures, it remains highly vulnerable to abuse as the most commonly used illicit drug across the nation.

"This decision isn't based on danger. This decision is based on whether marijuana, as determined by the FDA, is a safe and effective medicine," he said, "and it's not."

Man, that's goofy to me. You know what else isn't safe and effective medicine? Nearly all of the delicious Hostess and Little Debbie brand treats I can buy down at the corner for under a dollar. I get the tactical logic behind trying to use medical applications as a way of breaking the drug-war logic, but I wish it weren't necessary to go that route.

yep, it's ridiculous even if you believe that marijuana isn't an effective medicine, which many people would dispute.

also, you know what IS dangerous and is definitely NOT a safe and effective medicine? alcohol. but for some crazy reason it's not on schedule 1 with heroin.

I heard an interview with someone about this this morning, and the way it's been reported - or reacted to - has not really been accurate. According to the reasonable dude on NPR, there are something like only two obscure plants in the entire world that have ever been classified a medication by the FDA, primarily because there are too many chemicals at work in plants and no way to guarantee a consistent dose with consistent results. But that is not to say effective elements of marijuana could not be studied and used in others medicines, just that the plant itself is unlikely to ever be deemed medical, and I think they said they have expanded study.

The guy also explained the differences between all the scheduled drugs, clearing up a common misconception (at least to me) that they are ordered by danger, which they are not. Anyway, I'll try to find the piece.

I think this was it: https://www.wbez.org/shows/morning-shift/big-week-for-the-future-of-marijuana-in-america/6df7895f-18e9-4a19-8f95-3d4c0853b84e

Very level-headed and informative.

I guess i don't get why the DEA, as opposed to the FDA, needs to concern itself with whether it's classified as a medicine of any kind. There are tons of things we ingest besides medicines that are not in their purview. I guess both the DEA and FDA are involved in the schedule classification, and since it's deemed a drug it has to be placed somewhere in their lineup? I'll listen to the interview later on though.

The guys says it's actually the HHS that determines schedules, not the DEA. Stuff on schedules around the 4-minute mark in the interview. Catch-22 stuff is that the reason it is considered schedule 1 is because it falls under the category of "the drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical treatment use in the U.S.," which is complicated because even though marijuana *is* being offered medically in several states it's really still doing it extra legally.

The takeaway is basically that it is very unlikely that marijuana will ever be classified a medicine in the US, but that after it is (eventually) legalized on a federal level here it should get tacit FDA approval (as such) on the same tier as stuff like vitamins and other supplements. That is, the FDA will not give its imprimatur and vouch for its not scientifically consistent claims as a medicine but will allow it to be sold with the usual printed caveats. It all sounds sort of roundabout and catch-22-y, but the biggest hold up in FDA approval seems to be its illegality on a Federal level, yet once it is made legal then the FDA approval will be made moot.

Sounds to me like Obama admin has its finger to the wind and is just waiting out the clock, a la marriage equality.

Part of my takeaway is about the specific comments on it being a potential drug of abuse (ie getting high) - other than alcohol (though everything there revolves around 'responsible use' despite making things like Fireball that exist only to get 19-year olds fuckin' hammered), we're still hamstrung culturally by this idea that it's wrong to get high.

But no one is trying to classify alcohol as an FDA approved medicine, dangerous as it can be.

Ordered an oral tincture of 'legal' CBD oil (which is apparently still a gray area) with negligible THC content from 4 Corners Cannabis in Colorado just to see if it has any effect on low-level anxiety that's been bothering me lately.

Drink, tobacco, weed :: Father, Son, Holy Ghost

my wife put cbd oil in her tea for a couple weeks and said it helped but I'm not sure if a placebo would help just as much or not..

the pure CBD oil does seem a little relaxing but nothing mindblowing - taking some did calm

Tried a hash oil that's 78% CBD/8% THC through a vaporizer - very strange, definitely some body relaxation (like a mild muscle relaxer) and a mental calm without feeling 'high.' If weed ever becomes legal, this kind of combo will become incredibly popular.

where do you hail from milo? so weird that weed is just straight up illegal almost everywhere. i'm in WA state, and I'm right on the border of OR too, so there are just...stores. weed stores everywhere. they sell all manner of everything and I haven't even been in one yet because you need a photo ID to get inside, I just send the missus in like she's stopping by the grocery for milk. so !

of course we aren't living in any kind of mad max scenario everything is fine.

speaking of the missus she quite likes the "CBD"s because they help with her migraines, may have to look into this pure CBD oil business

I guess we've come a long way from "here's a baggie of whatever is is, good luck"

From what I've read, that kind of a percentage of CBD seems really high...I thought about 5% was about where that tops out in traditional strains.

It's very high, but once the stories came out about CBD and epilepsy/etc. it seems like breeders managed to encourage high CBD quite quickly. There are other strains that are more like 1:1 by bringing down THC levels to 9-10% and bringing up CBD to that level.

I guess we've come a long way from "here's a baggie of whatever is is, good luck"

― erudite beach boys fan (sheesh), Friday, September 2, 2016 4:48 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i live in a shitty state (OH) so this is still what we've got, though the quality of whatever is in the baggie has increased considerably since i first started buying weed in high school

OH almost legalized rec last year but it was a weird monopoly w/ a restricted # of growers (though still allowed home growing iirc) and was voted down, we also just passed a shitty medical bill

i'd love to try various strains and oils to see what works best though, just hope it's sooner rather than later that i get to do that in my home state

Reading about all the things that exist in OR/CO/WA is crazy. Here's an e-cig juice that will get you high if you want the easiest route, or here's some pot with the actual THC/CBD/etc. characteristics tested or here's edibles/wax/etc..

yea it is truly wild, i do wonder whether more widespread legalization will eventually come with some heavier restrictions on what can be sold

Edibles probably need to be regulated more than anything else - Maureen Dowd had a column about eating an entire chocolate bar and getting way too high, it's not uncommon in the legal states apparently. The guide Dowd used says he told her that the bar was meant to be split among multiple people but the package didn't say that.

Reading about all the things that exist in OR/CO/WA is crazy

it's p much like this in CA now too, the range of shit at dispensaries is bewildering. I expect full legalization is gonna happen in November.

The amount of stuff you can get off Craigslist in a non legal state is even amazing

how has that worked out for you? buying drugs on craigslist freaks me out tbh

I won't even sell old housewares on Craigslist because I don't want to deal with the people involved, fuck buying illicit substances.

I've only had relatively nice experiences. Went through two guys that were ok but not ideal,now I have one regular dude I deal with.

Not many other great options for a middle aged person if you're not in a legal state. But if youre in a decent size city Craigslist is your best bet without knowing someone already.

I buy Kratom from a c-lister and it's been peachy (though Kratom is not illegal, yet)

still kinda shocked that weed isn't completely legal in vt

Idk man there's only millions of people that have been using it for years and years without any reall incidents of overdose or ill effects.i think we need some more time to study this before we start letter people use it.

Letting not letter

I'd rather learn to navigate the darknet myself (if my relatively tech illiterate friend can do it...) than buy from a Craigslist stranger.

Felt kind of like a ridiculous stoner for thinking to myself that I'd pack up and move to WA/OR/CO tomorrow if it were feasible... then remembered that those were the three I'd choose first before legalization anyway.

I'd sketch way more with having something mails to me.

paranoia understandable here

anyone here messed around with "dabs"? I tried it twice at the behest of a connoisseur friend and it was way, way too much. felt like I was on magic mushrooms, which is kind of neat, we are certainly a ways away from a psychedelics shop but god, I don't know how people do that everyday

lesh is more

I studied all the shit you have to do to use darknet, and #nope

But if you use freenet or tor and 47 proxies and set up a bc account and get a scrambler and a wallet etc etc etc etc, apparently theres no need to wig out about the package

right?

know plenty of ppl who are only moderately computer savvy who have been doing darknet stuff for years without incident.

Dabbing sounds horrendous to me. Some teens on the bus were discussing it and saying that basically you have to get too fucked up several times before you can enjoy it.that's not for me.excessive stone to that degree is just nightmare fuel to me

Ha. Yeah, every story I've heard about dabs wasn't a good one. Basically an unexpected trip. Not for the casual.