― navboy, Wednesday, 21 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Honda, Wednesday, 28 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― AARON DARC, Thursday, 13 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
I <3 Mulholland Drive.
I also <3 the dvd extras. That French interviewer guy is hilariously bad.
― W4LTER, Monday, 20 August 2007 02:08 (sixteen years ago) link
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00020HB7S.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
― chakles, Saturday, 26 January 2008 01:07 (sixteen years ago) link
swimming pool was good
there must be another mulholland drive thread -- there is, in fact. theories.
― Surmounter, Saturday, 26 January 2008 06:51 (sixteen years ago) link
two hot movies one hit price
― tipsy mothra, Saturday, 26 January 2008 07:09 (sixteen years ago) link
"Swimming Pool" was fucking dire.
― Alex in NYC, Saturday, 26 January 2008 14:17 (sixteen years ago) link
i think that needs a bit of explaining alex
just too slow for you?
i thought the juxtaposition of the different phases of femininity was enthralling, along with the sheer magnetism of a French girl at her youthful prime. highly entertaining character studies.
― Surmounter, Saturday, 26 January 2008 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link
I've never heard them called that before.
― Alba, Saturday, 26 January 2008 17:46 (sixteen years ago) link
=P
― Surmounter, Saturday, 26 January 2008 17:50 (sixteen years ago) link
It felt unfinished to me, what can I tell you.
― Alex in NYC, Saturday, 26 January 2008 17:56 (sixteen years ago) link
i liked ludivine sagnier's boobs
― remy bean, Saturday, 26 January 2008 17:58 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah she was totally hot and mesmerizing.
― tehresa, Saturday, 26 January 2008 18:13 (sixteen years ago) link
yah
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 26 January 2008 18:50 (sixteen years ago) link
"Were it not for David Lynch," Cyrus asserts, "Miley would never have been Hannah Montana."Read More http://www.gq.com/entertainment/celebrities/201103/billy-ray-cyrus-mr-hannah-montana-miley#ixzz1E3WhYLo8
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― Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 15 February 2011 19:03 (thirteen years ago) link
was looking for something else & found my ticket stub from seeing this -http://oi42.tinypic.com/33bob6e.jpg
― johnny crunch, Friday, 5 July 2013 00:06 (ten years ago) link
lol fuk
― johnny crunch, Friday, 5 July 2013 00:07 (ten years ago) link
Woah, I just watched this for the very first time last night. What can this mean?
― So: The Answers (or something), Friday, 5 July 2013 07:25 (ten years ago) link
My wife and I watched this together right before it went off netflix. It was pretty much our first artsy movie together, I think. Usually we watch Kung fu movies or comedies when the kids aren't monopolizing the tv. She was so pissed off at me.
― how's life, Friday, 5 July 2013 16:55 (ten years ago) link
ha ha!
― Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 5 July 2013 17:17 (ten years ago) link
Came here with some half-thoughts about mulholland drive, now just want to talk about how bad swimming pool is.
But maybe there's something in that juxtaposition of two films which you might categorise as 'films with sex in them'.
The Lynch film doesn't pretend not to be soft porn in its soft porn parts, whereas swimming pool spent most of its time trying to convince you that it was worthy and artistic or something.
Mulholland is also as scary and unsettling as anything Lynch has ever done, whereas swimming pool is just creepy in ways it doesn't intend. The teenage girl's character was very obviously written by a man for a male audience.
Mulholland also continued Lynch's thing of looking at the - well, I'm not going to say 'seedy underbelly of Puritan America', but you know what I mean, using the idea of the proper and the improper, a sympathy with both the nice sunny world and the dark forbidden world. Whereas swimming pool was pushing a strained 'Look, here in France we are sexy and do not care!' sensibility which by now is pretty much its own white picket fence.
And look how MD uses the conventions of Hollywood, noir, and Americana and makes them into something that frightens you, whereas SP claims to be Artistic European Cinema and ends up boring you.
Dunno. This is all tentative and I'm aware that people here know Lynch better than I do.
― cardamon, Friday, 5 July 2013 19:37 (ten years ago) link
Blu-ray on Criterion in October
http://www.criterion.com/films/28050-mulholland-dr
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 21:13 (eight years ago) link
*faints*
― velcoro pharmacy & provisions (slothroprhymes), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 21:19 (eight years ago) link
Would be happier if not for the region-locking.
― chihuahuau, Wednesday, 15 July 2015 22:49 (eight years ago) link
It would be cool if they included the 'pilot' cut in the extras
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Wednesday, 15 July 2015 23:15 (eight years ago) link
this is so cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh6JtllRkPQ
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 01:57 (six years ago) link
interesting to go back and see so little enthusiasm for this when it came out. this is widely now considered one of the best films since 2000, and Lynch's second best film after Blue Velvet. no?
― akm, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 02:20 (six years ago) link
taking sides
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 02:22 (six years ago) link
yeah it is weird, also strange that there's comparatively little press or promo for this. No talkshows iirc, total opposite of Lost Highway media blitz. Don't know why.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 02:23 (six years ago) link
Lynch was on Leno when Mulholland Drive came out in 2001
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 02:35 (six years ago) link
I seem to remember MD was pretty big at the time. It got a swag of awards and nominations. My memory is that it came at a time when Lynch's reputation had tapered off somewhat, and this put him right back on the pedestal.
― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 02:38 (six years ago) link
The media consensus was that Lynch had lost his way. I think the expectation after Lost Highway was that he would go on making critically divisive, minor cult films. People had also largely heard that MD was a rejected TV pilot with some new footage tacked on. This was one of those unexpected comebacks that has a hell of an impact.
― Chris L, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 02:46 (six years ago) link
this is widely now considered one of the best films since 2000, and Lynch's second best film after Blue Velvet. no?
Try best.
― Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:14 (six years ago) link
And it won the NYFCC's best film award, along with iirc the Village Voice critics poll.
― Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:15 (six years ago) link
eric OTM
― Week of Wonders (Ross), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:17 (six years ago) link
yes
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:22 (six years ago) link
"So little enthusiasm" -- wha??
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:25 (six years ago) link
Naomi Watts even got faint Oscar buzz
so little enthusiasm in this thread, i think they meant
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:29 (six years ago) link
yes, I meant this thread
― akm, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:39 (six years ago) link
Mulholland Drive came out when ILX was down and all the discus was on the Sandbox iirc
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 05:24 (six years ago) link
yah we were goin nutz for it i saw it like 5 times in the theater
― Shart Dressed Man (kurt schwitterz), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 07:42 (six years ago) link
there's a couple of copies of ilx.thehold.net and sandbox.thehold.net on archive.org but I can't find that discussion I think
― StanM, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 08:58 (six years ago) link
i saw this in the theater when it came out, it was amazing, and i was on ILX at the time, but didnt really bother posting here. don't take the lack of posts for a lack of enthusiasm me and my friends drove around the parking lot afterwards screaming with joy.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:28 (six years ago) link
i saw it when it came out and immediately stabbed my eyes out so i would never see another movie ever again
― na (NA), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
....naido?
― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:34 (six years ago) link
NA eyed 0
Holy shit lynch is a genius
― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:35 (six years ago) link
lol
― na (NA), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:40 (six years ago) link
it was right there, staring us all in the face for all these years
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:42 (six years ago) link
this explains the lack of posts. you can't see what you are writing when you have no eyes
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:47 (six years ago) link
When I first saw his movie, I immediately started it over and watched it again.
― rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:50 (six years ago) link
I watched it on two screens simultaneously
― passé aggresif (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:54 (six years ago) link
seeing this in a theater that looks just like Silencio earlier this year was one of the best moviegoing experiences i've ever had
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:57 (six years ago) link
Yeah I have vivid memories of seeing an advance free screening of this on my college campus. Was stunned by how great it was. When the cowboy gave his "You will see me one more time if you do good; you will see me two more times if you do bad" bite I remember laughing at how clever it was. The rest of the movie the audience gasped whenever he appeared on screen. This is Lynch's most entertaining movie by a mile.
― Evan R, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 22:01 (six years ago) link
I don't know how to objectively measure "most acclaimed," but here MD is 64th, Blue Velvet 77th.
http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000_all1000films.htm
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 22:06 (six years ago) link
i always thought The Elephant Man was his mainstream claim to fame but on that list it's at 464. i need to rewatch it, i remember seeing it when i lived in this house with SCAD video artists and really liking it.
Mulholland Drive was just an endless series of crazy events. it felt like someone had observed a random movie or television scene while going through an out of body experience. perhaps how an alien would replicate the human drama, only it was purposefully sending up the formalisms that tend to be taken for granted. it was thrilling to watch.
holy shit! what was with that crazy bluescreen swing scene? we lol'd almost immediately at that and the super grinny old folks with Naomi Watts as she arrives at this weird artificial California. when they are in the limo it's so comically grotesque. we almost fell out of the chairs when Billy Ray Cyrus showed up. that casting! wtf? this was years before Miley, years before his ironic cultural resurgence, years past being a Weird Al joke. David Lynch wrote him the perfect character. same with the cowboy, who apparently wasn't an actor, and who couldn't remember his lines. they had to write them on notecards and tape them to Jon Favreau's face for him to do the scene and he did it perfectly. when he shows up, i was like, what the literal fuck? that was this movie endlessly. Club Silencio -- it is all a tape! the hand signals and the trumpets!
much like the new Twin Peaks it was a lot of scenes that may not necessarily narratively connect but for sure are connected through symbols and the artistic language of emotions through more abstract forms such as lighting, colors, themes, motifs, dialog repetition, etc. i am glad to see he has gotten the opportunity to work with Naomi again! it is extra poignant when you consider Mulholland Drive was conceived at one point as a Twin Peaks spinoff.
lol when the cowboy shows up. WTF. ROTFLITMT
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 14 September 2017 00:38 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0stnhrOj6p8
this is really cool
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 14 September 2017 00:39 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HytOc0KxFGU
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 14 September 2017 00:40 (six years ago) link
Location trailhttp://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/features/mulholland-drive-david-lynch-locations
― Alba, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
wow, had no idea that Diane's apartment was in the Snow White cottages. that Elliott Smith connection is nuts, yeah he spent a lot of time there in the last years of his life, sadly living very similarly to Diane, productive but completely cracked out and losing it...
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:18 (six years ago) link
pretty certain that steph1n merr1tt also lived there for a time, based on a memory from the documentary from a few years back.
― omar little, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 19:41 (six years ago) link
that Elliott Smith connection is nuts
Positively. Didn't know what I saw when I read that!
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:01 (six years ago) link
Iirc he lived there during some of the writing for Figure 8 and maybe Basement but it wasn’t very long...
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:31 (six years ago) link
though now a 1br goes for ~$2700
you can rent a cheaper 1br on the western/nicer side of west hollywood
― infinity (∞), Tuesday, 9 January 2018 20:58 (six years ago) link
He wrote a song about it, "In the Snow White Cottages," which references Mulholland Drive, Elliott Smith and The Raveonettes.
― geoffreyess, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 22:28 (six years ago) link
covered love theme from this score, from my favourite film
https://we.tl/1Nc19Gj3Ls
― kolakube (Ross), Sunday, 14 January 2018 00:30 (six years ago) link
you made this, Ross?
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Sunday, 14 January 2018 00:39 (six years ago) link
here's mp3
https://we.tl/oH8IxWLaQV
yeah i did
― kolakube (Ross), Sunday, 14 January 2018 00:39 (six years ago) link
It's really good mate.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Sunday, 14 January 2018 00:40 (six years ago) link
thanks :)
buddy helped with beats, but yeah played all synth parts/outro
― kolakube (Ross), Sunday, 14 January 2018 00:40 (six years ago) link
i like it a lot!
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Sunday, 14 January 2018 00:45 (six years ago) link
thanks jed, appreciate that
― kolakube (Ross), Sunday, 14 January 2018 00:46 (six years ago) link
love the dark minute at the end.
― Heavy Messages (jed_), Sunday, 14 January 2018 00:50 (six years ago) link
cool, total homage to my love of lynch
― kolakube (Ross), Sunday, 14 January 2018 00:57 (six years ago) link
This is really neat Ross! Love the dark ending but also the beats.
― ♫ very clever with maracas.jpg ♫ (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 15 January 2018 12:22 (six years ago) link
my favourite movie of all time...?
― stoker (Ross), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link
hey pic.twitter.com/FuNmivCwPd— Eric Allen Hatch (@ericallenhatch) October 16, 2018
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 07:12 (five years ago) link
For those as clueless as I was, MULHOLLAND DR's twinning and identity blurring shares a lot of DNA with Bergman's PERSONA, Rivette's CÉLINE ET JULIE VONT EN BATEAU and Altman's 3 WOMEN - all are great and provide a nice counterpoint.Which is of course to ignore the gender politics of these four men writing and making movies about women having unstable and ill defined identities which can be pushed around.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 07:36 (five years ago) link
When I saw this thread pop up I knew it would be that meme
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 07:50 (five years ago) link
I'm always surprised Meshes of the Afternoon isn't brought up more tbh
― You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 15:59 (five years ago) link
matthew, also this movie is totally indebted to sunset boulevard
― Ross, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
this movie is indebted to a lot of movies
Telephone Thing otm about Meshes of the Afternoon too fwiw
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:00 (five years ago) link
Agreed Ross - and there's even a Gordon Cole in SUNSET BLVD! I was highlighting the twinned-women microgenre.
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 19:17 (five years ago) link
that's a p big microgenre. you left out Vertigo for ex.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link
full house
― Dmac TT (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 20:06 (five years ago) link
Three's Company
― the dutiful and the banned (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 20:14 (five years ago) link
my mind has known no peace since i discovered the dumpster woman from mulholland drive is also in both princess diaries films pic.twitter.com/dxSotlfNSf— grace b-p (@gracesimone) April 10, 2019
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 April 2019 15:00 (five years ago) link
Watched Hellraiser last night, and there's a very strong similarity between dumpster person and the homeless dude that picks the cube out of the fire. It's close enough to where I'm wondering if Lynch just grabbed the idea directly from Barker.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 11 April 2019 15:22 (five years ago) link
how the hell did I never see that interview with the actress?https://www.vulture.com/2014/10/mulholland-drives-evil-hobo-breaks-her-silencio.html
― mh, Thursday, 11 April 2019 18:29 (five years ago) link
Haha, that's great
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 11 April 2019 18:33 (five years ago) link
Incredible headline
― flappy bird, Thursday, 11 April 2019 18:52 (five years ago) link
Worth a try
Lifehack: if you time the opening of the blue box directly after hearing “Silencio,” the wide-eyed illusion of living your best life will dissolve into the feverish inescapable reality of our iteration of the multiverse—one rooted in jealousy, heartbreak, and unrelenting failure pic.twitter.com/K98gCMFq88— Eric Allen Hatch (@ericallenhatch) January 1, 2020
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 05:50 (four years ago) link
I think I just found my optimal Twitter account.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 07:34 (four years ago) link
It's a great one. I can't shake the feeling he's from ILX, possibly because he's called Eric.
― Alba, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 11:13 (four years ago) link
I sometimes wish I had some record of how I ended up following people on Twitter
― Alba, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 11:14 (four years ago) link
― The Soundtrack of Burl Ives (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 January 2020 13:03 (four years ago) link
He’s not. Great guy tho- major props to him and the rest of the collective for Beyond Video in Baltimore. Good friend to have.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 1 January 2020 17:30 (four years ago) link
Watched this for the first time recently - then watched it again (over a few days), to pick up some threads. Pretty... uh, remarkable movie; and not at all what I was expecting (in a good way). I've been thinking about it a lot, but I guess there's not much to say that would be interesting or "fresh"... I've never seen a Wikipedia page for a movie with so much theory/discussion, ha ha. It is interesting to read that the first half (or whatever) was originally shot as a TV pilot, which I guess explains some things.
I was surprised to encounter several plot elements (and actors) from Twin Peaks: The Return (which I love to death). Parts of the movie almost feel like a "dry run" for that series – to see it now almost "ruins the magic" a little, lol! But I'm sure glad I finally saw it. (For context, I decided I was done with Lynch movies after Lost Highway, so I had no interest when this came out.)
One other thing I will say is that Naomi Watts's performance is just incredible.
― come along you starbucks lovers (taylor’s version) (morrisp), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:37 (three years ago) link
I definitely think most of the Dougie plot was either originally meant for or is a commentary on Mulholland Drive.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:42 (three years ago) link
xpost Lost Highway might be Lynch's worst movie, Mulholland might be his best. It's a jarring turnabout, tbf.
Glad/jealous you had your first time with it! My favorite Nick Nolte movie, hands down.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:43 (three years ago) link
Where did this fit in to MD?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfGOOL6j_F8
― avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:45 (three years ago) link
Also watched LH recently and was kinda struck by the car chase scene where whazzhisname beats up the speeding tailgate-er on mulholland and how i like the idea of david lynch having an axe to grind about disorderly drivers and cars in general
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:51 (three years ago) link
Should I find a way to watch Inland Empire (Y/N)? Now I'm curious what I could be missing...
― come along you starbucks lovers (taylor’s version) (morrisp), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 19:00 (three years ago) link
Yes
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 19:04 (three years ago) link
Absolutely. It's within spitting distance of MH's greatness.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 19:08 (three years ago) link
(Hints are afoot that it may be a Criterion release before long.)
Or, sorry, more or less confirmed I guess
pic.twitter.com/YEWyFLKyAB— Janus Films (@janusfilms) January 20, 2021
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 19:10 (three years ago) link
Cool - I will
― come along you starbucks lovers (taylor’s version) (morrisp), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 19:16 (three years ago) link
inland empire could be the most 'RIYL mulholland drive' movie of all time
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 20:57 (three years ago) link
I might have to pick up the Criterion Blu-ray of Mulholland Dr.; I feel like I could watch it over & over again. Not sure exactly why... something about it is just so watchable, on a scene-by-scene basis (even when you know what's coming).
― come along you starbucks lovers (taylor’s version) (morrisp), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 21:08 (three years ago) link
otm -- the colors are dangerous
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 21:15 (three years ago) link
inland empire >>> mulholland dr.
like^^^ -------------- ^^^don't like
― mark s, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 21:36 (three years ago) link
Madness.Yes, morrisp, these films are meant to be watched and rewatched. I first saw IE late at night, in the dark, on a laptop with headphones, volume turned way up (and immediately followed by the hour+ of extra footage on the second DVD). I don't know that that's the ideal way to see it but it was still a pretty righteous way to see it. An unforgettable experience.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 22:10 (three years ago) link
MD may be the best movie to wake up in the middle of, late at night and disoriented/altered.
― bulb after bulb, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 22:16 (three years ago) link
I still love Eraserhead and Blue Velvet and the OG Twin Peaks, but I'm strongly coming around to the idea that my top-tier Lynch is everything he's done from Mulholland Drive forward. (Which is to say, MD, Inland Empire and TP:TR)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 23:10 (three years ago) link
The first half of MD has a “welcoming” quality, and a lightness of touch, that I sure didn’t associate with his movies. And it’s, like, “funny”... I wasn’t expecting that! (When Billy Ray Cyrus showed up, I was like - ok, whaaaaaat is this movie)
― come along you starbucks lovers (taylor’s version) (morrisp), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 23:56 (three years ago) link
Yeah Mulholland Drive is deceptively warm-feeling, for a movie that ends as a tragedy. I love its weird colorful Hollywood.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 8 April 2021 00:04 (three years ago) link
top-tier Lynch is everything he's done from Mulholland Drive forward.
^^
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 8 April 2021 01:02 (three years ago) link
I like Lost Highway a fair bit, although the car chase scene is the worst thing in it. He's made at least two films worse than LH, though.
fwiw, he couldn't have made Mulholland Dr. if he hadn't made Lost Highway, so even if you don't like it, it's still necessary.
― Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Thursday, 8 April 2021 01:09 (three years ago) link
credit sequence with Bowie's "I'm Deranged" + Bill Pullman playing Coleman-esque free jazz at club = best sequences
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 April 2021 01:10 (three years ago) link
The video cuts to Particia Arquette's butchered body as one of his best and most horrible ideas. The "call me"/"I'm there right now" scene at the party is essential in his work.
― Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Thursday, 8 April 2021 01:15 (three years ago) link
as = is
― Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Thursday, 8 April 2021 01:16 (three years ago) link
are!
― Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Thursday, 8 April 2021 01:17 (three years ago) link
Rewatched Lost Highway recently and it wasn't nearly as bad as I remembered. It's still near the bottom of the Lynch pile, but I sorta like it now.
Inland Empire is amazing but I can't rewatch it with any regularity. It is a Bad Trip.
― Cow_Art, Thursday, 8 April 2021 01:23 (three years ago) link
I disliked Fire Walk With Me pretty strongly when it came out, but I appreciate it now. It’s still kind of a mess, but pretty powerful – I didn’t appreciate what it was doing at the time, I wasn’t “ready” for it. (It was probably also helpful for The Return to come along and help recontextualize it.)
― come along you starbucks lovers (taylor’s version) (morrisp), Thursday, 8 April 2021 01:34 (three years ago) link
fire walk with me still his masterwork, even in light of the return, imo
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 April 2021 01:37 (three years ago) link
no greater work of empathy in film
Yeah, I totally didn’t get it as a young person. I was like – “Why do we need to see all this graphic, horrible stuff that we already know happened?”
― come along you starbucks lovers (taylor’s version) (morrisp), Thursday, 8 April 2021 01:39 (three years ago) link
I watched Fire Walk with Me on VHS in '93 without watching a millimeter of Twin Peaks and loved this terrific shambles.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 April 2021 01:42 (three years ago) link
totally second the echoes of MD in twin peaks: the return, that's what I kept thinking about as I watched the show (I saw the film first). which also explains why I am pretty convinced the return is the best season of TV I've ever seen
need to see inland empire now
― k3vin k., Thursday, 8 April 2021 02:01 (three years ago) link
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, April 7, 2021 8:37 PM (thirty minutes ago)
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, April 7, 2021 8:37 PM
truest truth
― Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Thursday, 8 April 2021 02:12 (three years ago) link
I watched _Fire Walk with Me_ on VHS in '93 without watching a millimeter of _Twin Peaks_ and loved this terrific shambles.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Thursday, 8 April 2021 02:38 (three years ago) link
By the way (R.I.P.) - https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2021/04/07/walter-olkewicz-dies-twin-peaks-actor-starred-jacques-renault/7133539002/
― come along you starbucks lovers (taylor’s version) (morrisp), Thursday, 8 April 2021 03:25 (three years ago) link
Yeah, I liked Lost Highway fine at the time, and then Mulholland Drive clearly had him (being forced to) rework ideas he'd come up with for LH and doing them better. It's a positive about Lynch as an artist that ideas, themes and modes echo and recur through his work.
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Thursday, 8 April 2021 04:43 (three years ago) link
I think the first half of Lost Highway is some of his best, the closest to a straight Lynch horror film. Pullman recounting his dream, and that wonderful imagery of the smoke filling the hallway, is one of my favorite images in his work. Whenever it transitions to Getty, though, I rapidly lose interest. I like to pretend the first half is just a short film.
― blatherskite, Thursday, 8 April 2021 13:56 (three years ago) link
Pullman's dream is one of the most unnerving Lynch scenes, which is saying a lot. I need to rewatch LH, it has been my least-favorite Lynch ever since I saw it but because of that I have only seen it once.
ideas, themes and modes echo and recur through his work
By the end of TP:TR, I was using the phrase "David Lynch cinematic universe" in all sincerity. His works each have their own specific vibe, but they also all have variations on many recurring themes. (Allowing that in this sense Dune may not be canon, but I also haven't rewatched that one since it came out.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 8 April 2021 14:06 (three years ago) link
Dune is absolutely canon (see the post-credits sequence where The Cowboy and Bobby Peru are riding a sandworm across Arrakis).
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Thursday, 8 April 2021 14:13 (three years ago) link
I’m aware from my Twin Peaks research that Mulholland Drive was originally conceived as an Audrey Horne spinoff series.
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 8 April 2021 15:05 (three years ago) link
Silencio!
― avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Thursday, 8 April 2021 15:08 (three years ago) link
Yeah I guess Dune would be canon for the introduction of Kyle MacLachlan (our hero) alone.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 8 April 2021 15:22 (three years ago) link
Several actors from Showgirls (1995) appear in MD, but I won’t go down that rabbit hole.
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 8 April 2021 15:37 (three years ago) link
showgirls and robocop def part of the david lynch extended universe
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 April 2021 15:37 (three years ago) link
OMG you just prompted me imagine a Lynch-directed Robocop and I'm pretty sure part of my brain just exploded
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Thursday, 8 April 2021 15:44 (three years ago) link
Yeah there are bits throughout tptr that specifically recall every lynch project, even stuff like hotel room
― jammy mcnullity (wins), Thursday, 8 April 2021 15:44 (three years ago) link
Richard Horne is the grown-up Eraserhead baby.
― Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Thursday, 8 April 2021 15:48 (three years ago) link
And the pine weasel episode, which is the only one I saw when it originally aired and wondered, 'this is the show everyone is so gaga about?!?'
misread this as garden weasel and thought there was some Larry Sanders/Twin Peaks crossover i wasn’t aware of.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 8 April 2021 15:52 (three years ago) link
Larry Sanders would definitely exist in the Mulholland Drive multiverse
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 8 April 2021 15:53 (three years ago) link
Do we have a discussion/anticipation thread for the new series he’s reportedly working on?
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 8 April 2021 15:54 (three years ago) link
xpost I don't recall if they ever mentioned which network Larry Sanders was on so we can't say for sure that he didn't air after The Lester Guy Show.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Thursday, 8 April 2021 16:01 (three years ago) link
xp
There was some discussion of the potential new series in the TP:TR thread. Tantalizing.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 8 April 2021 16:03 (three years ago) link
I am v out of the loop wrt unrecorded night, I hope it happens whatever it is
― jammy mcnullity (wins), Thursday, 8 April 2021 16:15 (three years ago) link
So no mention of Straight Story at all in this thread?
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 9 April 2021 12:10 (three years ago) link
some of the Twin Peaks threads have Straight Story arguments, many have no mention of it
― armoured van, Holden (sic), Friday, 9 April 2021 19:40 (three years ago) link
Oh jeez, Alvin. That's a darn good grabber.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 9 April 2021 20:37 (three years ago) link
I got the Blu-ray... the interview in the booklet is terrific. (Except for the moment where the interviewer, bizarrely, tries to get Lynch to help "analyze" an element of the film – and is understandably met with silence.)
The "Deleted Scene" isn't much, but nice to see it, lol
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 16:15 (three years ago) link
Is that the one with the Robert Forster and the other cop talking?
― Alba, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 16:19 (three years ago) link
Yep - cool to see Forster in an add'l scene.
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 16:21 (three years ago) link
i think the straight story is very very good and once made a lynch-obsessive friend almost suplex me for arguing that many lynch fans ignore it or dont take it seriously just bc it doesnt feature any midgets or baby entrails or whatever
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 16:49 (three years ago) link
One of the many interesting things about MD is how "dated" it looks -- in a good way. Like, the hair & clothing styles are extremely "1999/2000"... and I find it appealing, how it situates the film in a particular moment.
There are also other weird resonances with the time period -- like when it cuts to the two "bros" discussing a car accident in a cramped office, you wonder: What's up with these dudes? Why do they sort of have 'Aphex Twin' faces? And in the final segment, Diane Selwyn looks a hella lot like Liz Phair looked at the time. It's just a coincidence (I guess), but it all feels like some kind of "cosmic unconsciousness" at work.
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 23:59 (three years ago) link
I'm sure this is tediously old news to most, but just in case, Ronette Pulaski and Laura Palmer are in the theater at Club Silenciohttps://i.redd.it/gdgejpw04c051.jpg(of course Lynch denies it)
― assert (MatthewK), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 00:23 (three years ago) link
When I watched this for the first time, during the initial Winkies scene, my wife (totally joking) was like, “One of those ‘Woodsmen’ guys better not jump out....”—and then (of course): Oh, HELL no!
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 00:36 (three years ago) link
(To add to the point I made above: the “jitterbug contest,” and the cold open specifically, obv. tie into the “swing craze” of the era, and—why not?—the Swingers movie specifically. You’re money, and you don’t even know it.)
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Wednesday, 14 April 2021 00:58 (three years ago) link
Those agent cooper tik toks are hilarious
― calstars, Wednesday, 14 April 2021 03:24 (three years ago) link
A minor plot (or whatever) question—from the Wikipedia summary:
A casting agent takes (Betty) to a soundstage where a film called The Sylvia North Story, directed by Adam, is being cast.
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 15 April 2021 06:49 (three years ago) link
the stagehand says it, according to #3 here: https://www.mulholland-drive.net/studies/10clues.htm
― StanM, Thursday, 15 April 2021 07:19 (three years ago) link
Huh, I’ll have to listen again (thanks).LOL @ that site – Lynch’s 10 Clues!!
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 15 April 2021 07:22 (three years ago) link
Lynch's 10 Clues was an insert in the first release on dvd and I'm sure were a handout at the initial cinematic release.
― Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Thursday, 15 April 2021 07:44 (three years ago) link
Hate hate hate that "woodsman" jump cut - gave me the creeps just thinking about it and prevented me from rewatching the film for last 20 years :)
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 15 April 2021 10:08 (three years ago) link
She’s actually a woman, I belatedly discovered.
― Alba, Thursday, 15 April 2021 10:14 (three years ago) link
Why are people saying "woodsman"?
― peace, man, Thursday, 15 April 2021 10:32 (three years ago) link
Have you seen Twin Peaks: the Return? The answer lies therein.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 April 2021 11:00 (three years ago) link
I haven't! Only made it up through FWWM so far. Been meaning to get to it. Thanks.
― peace, man, Thursday, 15 April 2021 11:43 (three years ago) link
Technically there are woodsmen in fwwm as well, in the scene above the convenience store: jurgen prochnow and one of the other guys sitting down are credited as woodsman #1 & 2 (the guy with the stick is “electrician”). But yes s3 will explain the comparison with the man behind winkies, though I’m sure you can guess
― jammy mcnullity (wins), Thursday, 15 April 2021 12:26 (three years ago) link
Woman behind Winkies!
― Alba, Thursday, 15 April 2021 12:32 (three years ago) link
I don’t mean to brag, but David Lynch said he was looking for the most incredible face he could find
― Alba, Thursday, 15 April 2021 12:34 (three years ago) link
i have a great memory of getting the DVD and sitting down with my friend to go over the 10 clues as we watched it. it was fun!
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 15 April 2021 12:34 (three years ago) link
I’d still say man (credited as such I think? but def called “a man” and “he” in the film itself) but yeah the actor is a woman. in twin peaks there is an uncanny being called “bosomy woman” played by a male actor
― jammy mcnullity (wins), Thursday, 15 April 2021 12:39 (three years ago) link
I know horror is subjective but that jump scare is quoted so often as one of the scariest moments in film history that I just wanted to say that although I do find the build up itself very creepy and effective I don't find the figure itself, that face, scary at all. Anyway, nice to get that off my chest
― ignore the blue line (or something), Thursday, 15 April 2021 12:44 (three years ago) link
Me neither! It was just a bit comical. I’m the same with Bob in Twin Peaks though.
― Alba, Thursday, 15 April 2021 12:50 (three years ago) link
Laura Dern's distorted face in IE tho, now you're talking
― ignore the blue line (or something), Thursday, 15 April 2021 13:07 (three years ago) link
The horror of the Winkie's moment imo is not the actual jump scare but rather the reification of the nightmare, the confirmation that some horrific dream entity has erupted into our world beyond all reason.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 April 2021 13:22 (three years ago) link
It's the dread that David does so well.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 April 2021 13:23 (three years ago) link
Yes that's what I was implying, or trying to imply. I find the actual 'creature' itself a bit of a disappointment when the mood has been so skillfully created
― ignore the blue line (or something), Thursday, 15 April 2021 13:33 (three years ago) link
shoulda got stan winstons creature shop to come in and beef up the design
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 15 April 2021 13:48 (three years ago) link
Yep – for me, the horror of a fear being embodied is undermined by the hobo being so cartoonish. Of course, it would be a different story if I was actually Patrick Fischler's shoes. And it was still a massive jump scare.
― Alba, Thursday, 15 April 2021 13:50 (three years ago) link
It would indeed be terrifying if you were Patrick Fischler's shoes.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 April 2021 13:52 (three years ago) link
Ha ha.
I’d still say man (credited as such I think? but def called “a man” and “he” in the film itself)
Just credited as 'Bum' but yes, Patrick Fischler does say 'he' when recounting his dream. Maybe that's the real scare for him when he goes round the back. It's worse than the dream: it's a WOMAN.
― Alba, Thursday, 15 April 2021 14:15 (three years ago) link
I also made the connection that wins mentions above (via hidden text); though it seems androgyny also has a particular register in MD, as is discussed at the end of the “Themes and interpretations” section of the Wikipedia page (which I credit b/c I’m not clever enough to have drawn out that theme myself).
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 15 April 2021 14:49 (three years ago) link
(I also agree that the “bum” isn’t really so terrifying I’m appearance, and unfortunately I knew the scare was coming – not sure how it would have struck me if it were a surprise!)
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 15 April 2021 14:51 (three years ago) link
i remember it being a legit heartstopping theater-wide gasp when i saw it in original release, both the jump scare and the way fischler's reaction sells it. in hindsight i guess its dependent on the fact that we all had no idea it was coming, it hadnt occurred to me that the impact must be much lessened now that "The Bum" is a known & oft-discussed character in the Lynchiverse.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 15 April 2021 15:09 (three years ago) link
(i mean of course a jump scare is dependent on having no idea its coming, but i mean as compared to the actual look of the bum, which was only like 5% of the scare. i feel like it would have been just about as scary if a regular looking guy in a wrinkled tshirt had popped out.)
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 15 April 2021 15:12 (three years ago) link
A bit of errata, on 3rd viewing - the "tech specs" are slightly subpar in the scene where Betty and Rita visit the Sierra Bonita Apartments. There's a shot where a patch of light, reflected by a piece of equipment, dances on the wall behind Rita (it's pretty distracting... surprised it wasn't digitally removed for the Blu-ray); and when they go to knock on the door of Apt. 12, the lighting is funky (the actors cast double shadows).
Not griping about this, just think it's a point of interest - as technical details are usually top notch in Lynch stuff. Maybe they were rushed that day. Though I guess you could make the case that some "visible artificiality" is appropriate for that section of the film. (I wonder if that scene was part of the original pilot - seems doubtful that its resolution would have been shot for TV?)
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 15 April 2021 15:53 (three years ago) link
(Sorry - Apt. 17, not 12.)
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 15 April 2021 15:54 (three years ago) link
saw it in theater during the original release and can concur it was an audible shocking moment for the theater audience, myself included.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:09 (three years ago) link
For me, the moment which is most viscerally impactful is when Diane sees her own corpse and the Badalamenti score swells in this really queasy way and just...ugh. Even the first time through when you don't realize the import of what's just occurred, it's rough.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:17 (three years ago) link
I love the double image of Rita running outside and screaming, such an upsetting and disturbing moment, and you can feel it break the reality of the movie.
Honestly, from the Cowboy scene through Club Silencio, it's just one masterful sequence after another. Truly an incredible stretch of film.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:22 (three years ago) link
I think Betty's audition scene is amazing - it's so funny at the outset, when she gets introduced to all those random ppl; then the director's BS; followed, of course, by her performance in the audition itself... just awesome.
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:36 (three years ago) link
I saw MD for the first time on a long-haul flight (why the fuck was it even available), before I'd got over my fear of flying. So the bum-behind-the-diner scene almost gave me a heart attack, and I had to flip over to a rom-com or something to get through the rest of the flight.
― a murmuration of pigeons at manor house (Matt #2), Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:39 (three years ago) link
xp It's so funny to me how that director is portrayed; and the fact that the only time you see Adam (either version of Adam) actually directing is when he's orchestrating how to deliver a kiss... plus the fact that the big audition for the lead role in his hot movie seems to basically involve lip-syncing to old pop tunes...
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:40 (three years ago) link
I thought about Blue Velvet when I saw that (he just needs an oxygen mask)
― StanM, Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:47 (three years ago) link
So the bum-behind-the-diner scene almost gave me a heart attack, and I had to flip over to a rom-com or something to get through the rest of the flight.
sorry but this rules
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:48 (three years ago) link
lol yes matt #2 i'm sorry to laugh at your misfortune but that is hilarious.
"'Mullholland Drive', eh? Hmm, 'drive'... driving... yes, something that can only be done on the ground, surely this will take my mind off flying and soothe me" *presses play* OH NO
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:52 (three years ago) link
the big audition for the lead role in his hot movie seems to basically involve lip-syncing to old pop tunes
always wondered if that was a sideways reference to Wild At Heart
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:53 (three years ago) link
Lipstick On Your Collar
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:55 (three years ago) link
hi im a huge lynch guy and mh is like my favorite movie. inland empire is REALLY BAD and looks like shit, yall.
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 15 April 2021 19:57 (three years ago) link
false and incorrect my attorneys will be in touch
― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Thursday, 15 April 2021 19:58 (three years ago) link
have you watched it lately? the digital handheld has NOT aged well.
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 15 April 2021 19:59 (three years ago) link
I am sympathetic to the notion that IE looks bad (as it initially did look kind of bad to me until I warmed to the DV) but the rest of that opinion can take a long walk off a short pier.
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:00 (three years ago) link
"aged" "well"
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:00 (three years ago) link
part of the horror of inland empire def resides in the shitty fidelity of the sony digital camcorder he filmed it on. it's like david lynch's shot-on-video horror film... or rather it is
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:02 (three years ago) link
I think it's a mess with some fantastic scenes, but that's what I think of Fire Walk With Me, too. Haven't seen the Twin Peaks revival.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:04 (three years ago) link
I'm tempted to revisit Wild at Heart - I remember not liking it too much in the theater (and that was at the height of my preteen Lynch interest).
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:06 (three years ago) link
i think of inland empire and the return as of a piece and i don't really enjoy either of them that much.
peak lynch for me is the run of blue velvet to mulholland drive (with the proviso that i haven't seen the straight story) and twin peaks the tv show and fire walk with me are my favourite lynch projects
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:15 (three years ago) link
Inland Empire didn't do much for me, but I don't think that means it's "bad."
My expectations for Wild at Heart were so low by the time I saw it, I ended up thinking it was kind of awesome and underrated. Not sure what I'd think now though and, yeah, I've never seen it a second time
― rob, Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:16 (three years ago) link
in inland hes able to achieve some truly otherworldly images & effects, but theres also a lot of long stretches where the DV just makes it feel student film-y to me, like i can tell its obviously just a bunch of actors and david lynch all clomping around some backyard they found. was an unforgettable experience in the theater but i dunno if i'll ever muster the energy to sit through it again at home.
finally saw wild at heart for the first time a couple years ago and thought it was very self conscious and embarrassing, like he was trying to follow up blue velvet and knew what people liked about it but didnt know what made it good
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:25 (three years ago) link
^^that is kind of how I remember Wild at Heart feeling.
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:32 (three years ago) link
(but now I'm second-guessing my Lynch opinions! lol)
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:33 (three years ago) link
if anything it made me appreciate the perfect alchemy of blue velvet more, by taking most of the same ingredients and showing how if one or two of them had been calibrated juuust slightly differently it just becomes a goofy trainwreck
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:33 (three years ago) link
I saw Blue Velvet too late, and I will have always seen Blue Velvet too late, and so I will always feel like the things it broke ground on he did much more to my taste later on in his career.
― avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:35 (three years ago) link
my brother, who has operated similar cameras, claims the grain and color quality of the DV in Inland Empire were entirely conscious choices on Lynch's part and that the cameras can be easily set to be clearer and produce more accurate colors. I have no idea if this is true.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:40 (three years ago) link
The first time I saw Wild at Heart a decade ago, I didn’t make it past the head smashing; the violence was too gratuitous for me. I tried again two years ago and liked it a bit better, but overall, one of my least favorite of his. I can see how it was influential at the moment—if I hadn’t known better, I’d have thought it was Lynch’s take on a Tarantino or Oliver Stone film—but OTM about it being too self-conscious and “edgy”.
― blatherskite, Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:52 (three years ago) link
Bobby Peru is still Lynch's greatest screen creep.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 15 April 2021 21:06 (three years ago) link
I’ve said it too many times here before, but I don’t really get how roundly disliked Wild at Heart is. I think, stylistically, it’s top tier. So many stunning scenes.
― circa1916, Thursday, 15 April 2021 21:07 (three years ago) link
it's a bit cartoonish and the violence is OTT, but I still enjoy it
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Thursday, 15 April 2021 21:13 (three years ago) link
Yeah, it’s like MTV Lynch and it’s super cool imo.
― circa1916, Thursday, 15 April 2021 21:14 (three years ago) link
yeah it rocks imo, a lot of fun
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 15 April 2021 21:25 (three years ago) link
I think of Wild at Heart as his comedy, or at least his most comic film. There's plenty of disturbing stuff in it, but it's also packed with a kind of gonzo humor, much of it courtesy of Cage obviously. It's not in my top Lynch tier, but I like it a lot.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 15 April 2021 21:54 (three years ago) link
It's a very good blend of the plot-pulpiness / more drily detached humour of Gifford with the emotional intensity and tendency toward luridity of Lynch.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 15 April 2021 22:48 (three years ago) link
I think about that metal-slam-dance-to-Elvis-slow-dance scene a lot. With the repeated sample press of the Beatles show girl screams. Absolutely one of his best moments.
― circa1916, Thursday, 15 April 2021 23:11 (three years ago) link
Wild at Heart is goofy as fuck but that's why it's enjoyable
― akm, Friday, 16 April 2021 01:16 (three years ago) link
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson)
heavily otm
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Friday, 16 April 2021 01:17 (three years ago) link
http://www.lynchnet.com/lh/lhpremiere.htmlLong lynch piece by David foster wallace around the time of lost highway
― calstars, Friday, 16 April 2021 02:53 (three years ago) link
Whenever I see Wild at Heart there are entire sections that I have totally forgotten about. So many digressions and short stories within the movie. Has anybody read the book? Does it have a similar format?
Inland Empire is sometimes my favorite Lynch movie but it is also the hardest to watch. I can dive into Mulholland Drive anytime but IE is intimidating.
Eraserhead and Inland Empire are the purest expression of Lynch in film. They are DIY and free of collaborators.
― Cow_Art, Friday, 16 April 2021 03:54 (three years ago) link
have you seen The Return?Eraserhead and Inland Empire are the purest expression of Lynch in film.
the reason i ask is because the Return seemed to be Lynch doing what he wanted, at length, finally. at a length equal to all of his films combined. it was awesome
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Friday, 16 April 2021 04:12 (three years ago) link
and in a way that immediately called to mind both IE and eraserhead, somehow. it was fucking amazing
the stagehand says it, according to #3 here:
OK, I hear it now - yeah, it's super quiet in the background, as she walks out. Definitely more of an "Easter egg," compared to other parallels and linkages (though you do have to watch closely to track some of them - and don't think it would be possible to catch them all on a single viewing).
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Friday, 16 April 2021 05:01 (three years ago) link
The Return was great! It was a collaboration with Frost and it worked with concepts developed by other writers. It allowed Lynch to run amuck around a familiar property that would guarantee funding. I don't mean to sound cynical; Lynch obviously loves the world of Twin Peaks. The best part of TPTR was seeing modern Lynch push and pull at what Twin Peaks could be. Fire Walk With Me strayed a little outside of the familiar universe: Chet Desmond? What? David Bowie? The Return spun out to Las Vegas, Paris, anywhere could be Twin Peaks.
I would love a Laura Palmer/Agent Cooper Route 66 style road trip series.
― Cow_Art, Friday, 16 April 2021 05:27 (three years ago) link
I'm glad everyone here calls it The Return (like me) – instead of A Limited Event Series, the wack ass name used in home video contexts, for reasons which completely escape me (The Return is obv. a perfect title, in addition to what it was actually called when it aired!).
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Friday, 16 April 2021 06:05 (three years ago) link
killfiled by Cow_Art :(
The book (and ime the other Sailor and Lula novellae) is largely a collection of sketches and vignettes and discurses and dialogues and memories too, but iirc barely any of them are adapted for the film.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 16 April 2021 11:06 (three years ago) link
I mentioned this in another Lynch thread but anyone who loves his work and wants to know the why and how from the horse's mouth should read "Room To Dream". It goes up to The Return chronologically.
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 16 April 2021 11:13 (three years ago) link
“The Return” was coined by Showtime, I believe. I remember an interview with a crew member who said Lynch always just called it Twin Peaks, or season 3.
― Chris L, Friday, 16 April 2021 11:34 (three years ago) link
it was only called Twin Peaks onscreen, right? I assume The Return caught on as a shorthand bcz, as noted, it was so thematically resonant.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Friday, 16 April 2021 11:51 (three years ago) link
Twin P3aks or gtfo imo
― You Can't Have the Woogie Without a Little Boogie (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 April 2021 13:03 (three years ago) link
can we stop using "dated" as a pejorative?
"Dated" is a phenomenon, not a descriptor.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 April 2021 13:05 (three years ago) link
the digital looked shitty at the time! it's part of it!
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 16 April 2021 13:12 (three years ago) link
Agreed. Either you accept the shittiness or you don't, but it's not some technical failing.
― Zelda Zonk, Friday, 16 April 2021 13:19 (three years ago) link
This was def the convo at the time
― jammy mcnullity (wins), Friday, 16 April 2021 13:45 (three years ago) link
in fact....
on this board
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 April 2021 13:47 (three years ago) link
SILVIO: I don’t know, T. That digital looks pretty rough. Doesn’t sit right with me.PAULIE (nodding): PD150. It’s to be expected.TONY: Again with this shit. It’s an AESTHETIC DECISION!
― jammy mcnullity (wins), Friday, 16 April 2021 13:47 (three years ago) link
do you have more of that written?
― rob, Friday, 16 April 2021 14:16 (three years ago) link
lol wins
i dont think anyone is saying that the look was unintentional. i wont use the d-word but i'll say looking back on it a lot of what worked about it for me is tied to the context. it felt kind of like a stunt, in a good way - lynch following up this great oscar nom'd return to form with a completely experimental noncommercial 3-hour no-budget dv nightmare, thats our boy. hes almost a character in it, you can practically see him there in the room holding the camera and imagine how excited he was reconnecting with his run & gun DIY roots, running around with actor pals, coming up with crazy shit on the fly for them to say & do. and thats all well and good. but as a film, outside of that framing, other than some truly unforgettable moments it just ends up feeling minor to me. almost like a 3hr version of one of his shorts, if that makes any sense.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Friday, 16 April 2021 14:27 (three years ago) link
I assume The Return caught on as a shorthand bcz, as noted, it was so thematically resonant.“The a limited event series of the repressed”
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Friday, 16 April 2021 14:30 (three years ago) link
SILVIO: the Poland shit. Not for me.CHRISTOPHER: I’m saying, it’s a consistent diegetic world.PAULIE: the fuck you talking about?TONY: kid pays $200 for one masterclass, suddenly he’s orson fuckin welles.HESH: It’s this generation.PAULIE: 200 bucks?!CHRISTOPHER (defensive): David had a lot of interesting shit to say about the art life. I got goosebumpsPAULIE: Madonn’!TONY: Ey Fellini, gimme $200 I’ll teach you about the stugots life! SOMEONE: Oh! SILVIO (to nobody in particular): “A little boy went out to play...”
― jammy mcnullity (wins), Friday, 16 April 2021 16:54 (three years ago) link
I always think the “muted trumpet” guy is Steve Martin, when he first walks out.
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Saturday, 17 April 2021 05:49 (three years ago) link
(I promise I’ll stop reviving this thread after this third viewing)
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Saturday, 17 April 2021 05:50 (three years ago) link
i think a revive per view is to be expected
― Zach_TBD (Karl Malone), Saturday, 17 April 2021 05:53 (three years ago) link
“What’s it open?”
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Saturday, 17 April 2021 06:26 (three years ago) link
Ah – I knew the guy sitting next to Diane at the dinner party (“Oh, Camilla was great in that!”) looked familiar:https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ferrisbueller/images/9/94/Adams.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20180407120617(He seems to be sort of a Lynch regular.)
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Saturday, 17 April 2021 06:32 (three years ago) link
(Link was to this)
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Saturday, 17 April 2021 06:33 (three years ago) link
http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/709071/28245310/1579540743427/bonnie+aarons+david+lynch.png
― a murmuration of pigeons at manor house (Matt #2), Saturday, 17 April 2021 09:02 (three years ago) link
Rewatched this for the first time in about 15 years last night. It's staggering. I'd absolutely internalised the feel of it (and realised that I was still feeding off it in some way - in the way that the best art continues to be nourishing long, long after the encounter) and remembered a significant amount of it but had also forgotten chunks: the cowboy, the audition(s), the ending.
I've only recently started watching Mad Men (I don't like to rush these things) and I'm more than happy to accept Lynch's Vedic dreamlogic and have Jimmy Barret and 'Dan' echoing within the same universe and the dumpster scene functioning as a kind of karmic reckoning.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 17 April 2021 10:20 (three years ago) link
That interview with Bonnie Aarons is great. I love that Lynch was happy for to be projecting sexuality in that scene (however buried).
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Saturday, 17 April 2021 10:22 (three years ago) link
“This is one of the finest espressos in the country!”
― calstars, Saturday, 17 April 2021 11:46 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZ9t869USqs
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 April 2021 11:49 (three years ago) link
I'd like to know more about Cookie's backstory. The way Adam talks about his flophouse makes it sound legendary, and then he has a sweet side gig working at club silencio?!?
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Saturday, 17 April 2021 11:54 (three years ago) link
xp I think it’s — “That is considered one of the finest espressos in the world!”Sadly, it’s not a very “quotable” movie (my only knock against it!); that’s one of the few lines that qualifies. Maybe also, “Don’t drink all the Coke!”
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Saturday, 17 April 2021 15:18 (three years ago) link
I've lived scenes like Diane's at that party: being alert to humiliations from people once in your life, being seated beside weary sour old ladies while a beat box pitter-patters in the background.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 April 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link
Btw, I was very satisfied w/my 3rd viewing... I picked out even a few more connections btw. the two sections that I hadn't noticed before; and even the "extra pieces" which aren't so easily incorporated – Club Silencio, the old couple, the "bum" behind Winkie's – seemed to make a sort of sense to me.
However you "interpret" those elements – or even if you just think they're random surrealism (ha) – I think they're necessary to keep the story from feeling too pat and "just-so," if that makes sense.
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Saturday, 17 April 2021 15:35 (three years ago) link
Sadly, it’s not a very “quotable” movie (my only knock against it!); that’s one of the few lines that qualifies. Maybe also, “Don’t drink all the Coke!”
― Alba, Saturday, 17 April 2021 17:36 (three years ago) link
Good call, a few of those others you mentioned are good lines (huh, I hadn’t processed the relevance of “this dream place”—glad you highlighted it!)
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Saturday, 17 April 2021 17:39 (three years ago) link
I watched the beginning of the Behind the Scenes segment on the Blu-ray – it opens with the Diane/hitman scene in the diner, and Naomi Watts keeps tripping over the line: "It's just an actress's photo resume!" Funny that Lynch insisted on using that phrase, rather than just "headshot."
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Saturday, 17 April 2021 17:54 (three years ago) link
the one that really feels quotable is the Cowboy, esp. “No, you’re not thinking; you’re too busy being a smart alec to be thinking”.
"There's sometimes a buggy. How many drivers does a buggy have?"
― peace, man, Sunday, 18 April 2021 11:30 (three years ago) link
^ Buggy seals it
― calstars, Sunday, 18 April 2021 12:13 (three years ago) link
In the Blu-ray extras, Justin Theroux tells a great anecdote about filming that scene. The producer guy who played the Cowboy didn’t/couldn’t learn his lines, so Lynch ended up taping them to Theroux’s head, face, and chest... he was literally reading them aloud for the performance.
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Sunday, 18 April 2021 14:49 (three years ago) link
One thing I remember from one of the extras was Laura Harring talking about the direction Lynch gave her for her stumbling walk though the hills. “You’re like a broken doll”, which she found very useful. It struck me, because I’m pretty sure I heard him give exactly the same direction to an actress in another of his works, maybe Phoebe Augustine in Twin Peaks, or Isabella Rossellini in Blue Velvet or Sherilyn Fenn in Wild at Heart or, well, you get the idea. That childhood experience he talks about with the naked bloody woman staggering out of the darkness runs deep, eh?
― Alba, Sunday, 18 April 2021 15:00 (three years ago) link
For leading Diane up the “secret path” to the dinner party, he told her to “walk like a kitty cat.”
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Sunday, 18 April 2021 15:04 (three years ago) link
Just found this, from 2012, ha:https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/national-international/mulholland-drive-star-believes-a-david-lynch-follow-up-is-being-born/1885656/
― Alba, Sunday, 18 April 2021 15:12 (three years ago) link
Also, TIL that she retains the title Countess von Bismarck-Schönhausen from an early marriage https://www.bfi.org.uk/interviews/david-lynch-laura-harring-mulholland-dr
― Alba, Sunday, 18 April 2021 15:15 (three years ago) link
Just learned that too! Btw, she has a shitty agent:
While fellow cast members Naomi Watts, Patrick Fischler, Robert Forster, Brent Briscoe and Bonnie Aarons (the terrifying hobo) are in the upcoming season of Twin Peaks, Harring’s name is noticeably absent. “My agent didn’t want me to be one of the 200 cameos,” she explains. Instead, her agent held out for a more substantial role that didn’t materialise.
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Sunday, 18 April 2021 15:18 (three years ago) link
(Bonnie Aarons was not in The Return, btw. But Vincent Castallanos, the bro who gets the (er) head shot, is another actor who was.)
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Sunday, 18 April 2021 15:31 (three years ago) link
My guess is that Harring would have had the Ashley Judd part.
― Chris L, Sunday, 18 April 2021 16:25 (three years ago) link
What else of interest was she ever in?
― It Is Dangerous to Meme Inside (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 18 April 2021 16:38 (three years ago) link
xp I was thinking that, too—though that’s a pretty substantial role!
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Sunday, 18 April 2021 16:38 (three years ago) link
Hot take : the return is about 15 hours too long
― calstars, Sunday, 18 April 2021 16:41 (three years ago) link
In terms of screen time though Judd could have probably filmed all her scenes in a day. And as far as I know most everyone but Kyle was paid scale. That’s probably what the agent saw.
― Chris L, Sunday, 18 April 2021 16:42 (three years ago) link
BTW she must have hired a new agent in between TP:TR and when she had a wordless cameo in the Inland Empire credits.
― Chris L, Sunday, 18 April 2021 16:44 (three years ago) link
Or they thought a wordless cameo in a home movie's credits was fine, bu a speaking role in a highly-publicised prestige TV series for a major cable channel deserved better.
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 18 April 2021 19:20 (three years ago) link
Sure seems like she was on a lot of magazine covers though, Spanish language or otherwise.
― Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 April 2021 02:24 (three years ago) link
Okay, rewatched this, slow-watched and then speed-watched, over the weekend for the first time since it came out and can't stop thinking about it.
― Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 April 2021 15:36 (three years ago) link
Just want to call out my favorite shot from the movie. The long zoom-out at the start of this clip, from what looks like a live musical performance to what is then revealed as a radio broadcast and then as a filmed scene of a radio broadcast. It breaks the 4th wall and just keeps on breaking them. I think it's a perfect little encapsulation of what the movie has to say about both filmmaking and storytelling in general, including the stories we tell ourselves. Also, it's just gorgeous to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGOla3r6IhA
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:00 (three years ago) link
Yeah, that was good, just as you describe.
― Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:07 (three years ago) link
and they're in drag!
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:10 (three years ago) link
btw thanks to MD I briefly thought Justin Theroux was smokin' hot.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:11 (three years ago) link
Same. I got over it by the Charlie's Angels sequel tho.
― avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:22 (three years ago) link
At which point I entered this phase:
https://i.redd.it/l803gndh1zc21.jpg
― avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:23 (three years ago) link
I’d never noticed that!What is slow-watching, James? Like stopping and starting or actual slo-no?
― Alba, Monday, 19 April 2021 16:31 (three years ago) link
Yep, another layer of masks/performances.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:34 (three years ago) link
xp was just gonna ask is "slow-watching" ... watching a movie from front to back in normal time?
― avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:46 (three years ago) link
How do you view that scene in relation to Rebekah Del Rio's performance at Club Silencio?
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:46 (three years ago) link
I never connected this scene to Club Silencio - no hay banda indeed
― assert (MatthewK), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:47 (three years ago) link
oops sorry
(btw, this is the point on which the interviewer weirdly tried to buttonhole Lynch, in that DVD booklet interview)
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:49 (three years ago) link
(I hadn't made the connection, I'm too dense - guess the i'viewer wanted to show off that he did, lol)
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:50 (three years ago) link
yeah me neither, is what my post was meant to sayanother favourite little thing from this film is the way the camera continuously rises in the shots in Winkies while Dan describes his dream
― assert (MatthewK), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:53 (three years ago) link
^word! when I first watched it, I was all "wtf?" Lynch actually talks about that in the same interview; apparently it took some work to rig up the right equipment for that effect in that small space (I had assumed it was just handheld).
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Monday, 19 April 2021 16:55 (three years ago) link
!!
― assert (MatthewK), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:00 (three years ago) link
Yes, Eric H is correct, slow-watching is watching in normal time, maybe even backtracking on occasion, as opposed to running out of time because the purchase is due to expire and or it is time to sleep - what dreams may come? - and so FFWDing through bits and speedwatching.
― Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:02 (three years ago) link
I think both that scene and Betty's amazing audition scene relate directly to Club Silencio, all of them play with the ways film and art create artificial realities that can convey and resonate with deep, real emotions. It's kind of the ultimate magic trick, I'll show you how it's done, but you'll still feel it anyway.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:42 (three years ago) link
Dum, da-dumDa-da-da-da-da-da-daOh, baby, I've told every little star
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:48 (three years ago) link
xp Nice, thx
Oh, baby, I've told every little star
I've always liked that song... not sure how I feel about it used in this context (can you ever hear Roy Orbison's "In Dreams" as non-creepy, after the Blue Velvet treatment?), but it was a good choice! (I had never heard "Sixteen Reasons Why I Love You" before.)
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Monday, 19 April 2021 17:56 (three years ago) link
idgi, who's in drag?
― Cocteau Twinks (jed_), Monday, 19 April 2021 18:02 (three years ago) link
Does he use Roy Orbison in other films besides this one and the other canonical one mentioned?
― Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 April 2021 18:07 (three years ago) link
Hm. Apparently Lynch actually first heard "Crying," which led to him listening to more of the Big O and putting "In Dreams" in Blue Velvet. In my own Silencio Repertory Theater I will imagine how he would use "Leah" in a scene.
― Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 April 2021 18:20 (three years ago) link
Or what would have happened if he had discovered The Louvin Brothers instead.
― Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 April 2021 18:21 (three years ago) link
Here's Lynch on that song:
Rebekah just wanted to come over for a coffee and sing in front of us. She didn't want to record anything, but she came in and four minutes later—I think before she'd had her coffee—she's in the booth. And the one take that she sang, four minutes off the street, is the vocal that's in the film. THE ACTUAL RECORDING!The weird thing is that she chose to sing that particular Roy Orbison song. I was about to start shooting Blue Velvet, and "Crying" came on the radio. I said, "Jeez! I've got to get that song to see if it would work in the film." In the end, it wasn't quite right, but I started listening to other cuts, and "In Dreams" came up. (...) Rebekah knows Barbara Orbison, Roy's second wife, and she's the one who translated "Crying" into Spanish, but it's just so strange that that was the song that was almost in Blue Velvet.
The weird thing is that she chose to sing that particular Roy Orbison song. I was about to start shooting Blue Velvet, and "Crying" came on the radio. I said, "Jeez! I've got to get that song to see if it would work in the film." In the end, it wasn't quite right, but I started listening to other cuts, and "In Dreams" came up. (...) Rebekah knows Barbara Orbison, Roy's second wife, and she's the one who translated "Crying" into Spanish, but it's just so strange that that was the song that was almost in Blue Velvet.
― Yawnsomely Literal Cover Band (morrisp), Monday, 19 April 2021 18:30 (three years ago) link
Oh, so that's why there is a Barbara Orbison credit/thanks in there. Great story, thanks!
― Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 19 April 2021 19:28 (three years ago) link
I watched Bergman’s Persona last night, on HBO Max. I saw it college, but barely remembered the details (I’m just kultured enuff to have caught the general allusions in MD). It’s an interesting film; not exactly a masterpiece (though who am I to say). Awesome performances, of course.Maybe I’ll revisit Altman’s 3 Women at some point (another one I saw decades ago), as I know it’s another touchpoint.
― best time to call is friday and saturday afternoons! (morrisp), Sunday, 25 April 2021 01:44 (three years ago) link
Hour of the Wolf is another Bergman that has something in common with a number of Lynch films - a character disintegrating into his fantasies (or being victimized by their embodiment).
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 25 April 2021 03:15 (three years ago) link
Huh, never heard of that one
― best time to call is friday and saturday afternoons! (morrisp), Sunday, 25 April 2021 03:34 (three years ago) link
I wouldn't recommend it unless you've watched 60 other Bergman films.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 April 2021 03:45 (three years ago) link
3 women has many parallels with MD imo
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 25 April 2021 03:46 (three years ago) link
The Silence has a number of shots in it that seem to have heavily influenced Lynch too. Basically he's a Bergman disciple.
― john p. coltrane in hot pursuit (Matt #2), Sunday, 25 April 2021 09:20 (three years ago) link
Hadn’t thought about that but yeah.
― Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 April 2021 13:21 (three years ago) link
I love Bergman's films from 1963 - 1969 and am ambivalent about the rest. I'd like to see The Touch, although the only critic who admired it was Robin Wood.
― Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 25 April 2021 13:36 (three years ago) link
I wouldn't recommend it unless you've watched Hour of the Wolf first.
― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 25 April 2021 14:46 (three years ago) link
Heh
― Bewlay Brothers & Sister Rrose (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 April 2021 15:14 (three years ago) link
I saw a handful in college, but the only one I have a strong memory of is Scenes From a Marriage (which I loved).
― best time to call is friday and saturday afternoons! (morrisp), Sunday, 25 April 2021 15:22 (three years ago) link
Previously I was only aware of the Ingrid Bergman connection.
― A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 April 2021 15:28 (three years ago) link
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, April 19, 2021 12:00 PM (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink
man good post have not watched this in too long, its kind of sad the popular conception of lynch is dark/weird/abstract which doesnt give him credit for mastery of the form
― lag∞n, Sunday, 25 April 2021 15:57 (three years ago) link
Silencio.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 April 2021 16:21 (three years ago) link
I really have to ban myself from using the word vertiginous when talking about certain lynch moments but that (and inland empire locomotion) is this incredible moment where you feel the trapdoor give
― Pinefox reviews Reviews (wins), Sunday, 25 April 2021 17:17 (three years ago) link
El resto es silencio.
― A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 April 2021 19:01 (three years ago) link
I think Hour of the Wolf was maybe the 4th Bergman film I watched and I still like it, totally worth seeing as long as you like the idea of Bergman doing gothic horror.
― JoeStork, Sunday, 25 April 2021 19:26 (three years ago) link
Yeah, I remember enjoying it, but that it was kind of atypical, Bergman-lite maybe, like almost a self-parody or close to what detractors thought he was doing.
― A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 26 April 2021 00:04 (three years ago) link
Max von Sydow didn't turn into a werewolf, so it sucked
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 April 2021 00:05 (three years ago) link
Count Floyd: "Oh well, it wasn't scary but they got depressed at the end, didn't they, kids? You think it's not scary to be depressed? Did you see them? They, they couldn't... function in this world... with the faces... all those faces..."
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 26 April 2021 00:37 (three years ago) link
Watched this again last night and the crescendo of the old couple slipping under the door and terrorizing Diane until she finds the gun to end her screams ... it's just unbelievable what this guy does with overlapping images and sounds and effects. Nothing else like it in film excepting maybe the end of The Return.
― assert (MatthewK), Monday, 26 April 2021 00:51 (three years ago) link
Yep. Besides all his weirdness and originality, he's also just a virtuoso of image and sound.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 26 April 2021 01:17 (three years ago) link
Lol at Count Floyd coming over from the Midnight Cowboy thread. #onethread
― A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 26 April 2021 01:50 (three years ago) link
What's amazing is how the old couple are smiling in exactly the same way at the beginning and end of the film. They might even be more terrifying in that hired car after meeting Betty/Diane.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 April 2021 02:01 (three years ago) link
Yeah, that whole thing is WTF.
― A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 26 April 2021 02:03 (three years ago) link
Like where are they going and why are they behaving that way?
― A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 26 April 2021 02:10 (three years ago) link
Having not watched this in the intervening decades since it came out all I could remember was the prurient interest and the general vibe, so was pleasantly surprised how much good stuff there was from beginning to end to appreciate. I don’t have much to add on that front. Trying to think of their is any use in comparing with a film on a somewhat similar theme, The Limey, but the two movies are so different, maybe don’t want to go there.
― A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 26 April 2021 02:15 (three years ago) link
Also trying to remember the substance of a National Lampoon Bergman parody I read once, The Høwl of the Muppets.
― A Stop at Quilloughby (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 26 April 2021 02:16 (three years ago) link
xxp the smiles and laughter of the old couple are echoed by Adam Kesher and Camilla Rhodes later in the filmhttps://www.mulholland-drive.net/pics/cast/oldcouple1.jpghttps://www.mulholland-drive.net/pics/cast/adam_camilla.jpg(images from mulholland-drive.net where of course someone noticed it way before I did https://www.mulholland-drive.net/theories/18.htm )
― assert (MatthewK), Monday, 26 April 2021 03:11 (three years ago) link
That’s an interesting pairing of images, but it’s hard to take a site seriously that conflates the two different “realities”:
First, we've seen how the hitman operates. It is hardly a stretch to imagine him taking out Adam in the process of killing Camilla. In fact, I think it's a bit of a stretch to imagine him killing ONLY Camilla. This guy murdered a vacuum sweeper for crying out loud.
― best time to call is friday and saturday afternoons! (morrisp), Monday, 26 April 2021 03:17 (three years ago) link
(FWIW, I only vaguely know what to make of the old couple, but it does seem awfully reductive to declare they “represent Adam and Camilla”)
― best time to call is friday and saturday afternoons! (morrisp), Monday, 26 April 2021 03:18 (three years ago) link
I don't think the hitman is in the dream reality, he doesn't interact with any of those characters. Some "reality" elements are intercut with Diane's Betty dream (e.g. Dan in the diner). Oddly Adam is the only character who seems to have continuity/identity through both worlds, although several faces repeat.And no, I don't think that the old couple "represent Adam and Camilla" any more than the diner waitress Betty/Diane "represents" Diane/Betty. The whole film is about twinning, representation, offset realities, dream logic.
― assert (MatthewK), Monday, 26 April 2021 03:28 (three years ago) link
Oh, that’s interesting, I definitely don’t agree with that first part of what you wrote… but cool to hear the idea! I guess there’s a lot of ways to read even just the basic “presentation” of the movie.
― best time to call is friday and saturday afternoons! (morrisp), Monday, 26 April 2021 03:32 (three years ago) link
tbh I'm not even sure I agree with myself!
― assert (MatthewK), Monday, 26 April 2021 03:34 (three years ago) link
I mentioned this movie to a friend, and he wrote: “Napkin… NAPKIN!!!!!”So I guess there are more memorable quotes than I initially thought.
― Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf (CBTL) stan (morrisp), Thursday, 13 May 2021 00:38 (three years ago) link
So glad I watched this again.
― Working in the POLL Mine (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 13 May 2021 01:07 (three years ago) link
I’m watching Barry Lyndon—there’s a nice analogue of the dinner party scene near the beginning of the movie (it doesn’t play out the same way, of course…).
― like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Saturday, 5 June 2021 06:13 (two years ago) link