WestWorld: ...Where nothing can possibly go worng!

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amateur!!st, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:07 (sixteen years ago) link

http://westernposterpage.com/westworld.jpg

amateur!!st, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:07 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.nemsworld.com/futureworld/22x28_insert.jpg

THE SEQUEL! I loved those movies.

andy, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link

yeah, waterworld was great too




wait

amateur!!st, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:12 (sixteen years ago) link

'westworld' is very good.

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:17 (sixteen years ago) link

yul brynner was a sorbonne-educated psycopath who drilled through his big toe on crack!

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link

and kneed a (female) co-star in the groin!

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link

and a potential genius who squandered his talent.

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I got to see this movie on a plane... britishairways had a vintage channel as one of its movie channels; great stuff!

dave k, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link

"worng" should be a new ilx meme.

i have seen this film two times. both times i was high.

amateur!!st, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:19 (sixteen years ago) link

I was about to be mega-shocked to see a typo in an Amateurist thread. Thankfully all is right with the universe.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:22 (sixteen years ago) link

the first time i

(a) began asking my roommates some elaborate question about how they turned off the robots after the park closed, and whether they were rust-protected

(b) ate three bowls of oatios (blecch)

amateur!!st, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Westworld is great. Arnie nicked all Yul Brynner's moves for the Terminator movies, to lesser effect.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:26 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm dying to listen to that malkmus album now thankyouverymuch.

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 20:29 (sixteen years ago) link

there's a futureworld poster (not pictured) in my bathroom!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:10 (sixteen years ago) link

is future world one of those "BUT DID THEY LEARN? NO!" sequels?

amateur!!st, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:12 (sixteen years ago) link

i haven't seen it (it's not my poster), but it does feature a fleeing peter fonda and blythe danner. and the tag is something like "futureworld... where you can get every sensual desire fulfilled! the price: $1000 a day... and your life!"

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:14 (sixteen years ago) link

that's kind of expensive

amateur!!st, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:15 (sixteen years ago) link

"And in a funny way, the shaving of my, uh, head has been a liberation from, uh, a lot of, uh, stupid vanities really. Uh, it has simplified everything for me, it has opened a lot of doors maybe."

I'm not what you think I am
I'm the king of Siam
I've got a bald head
My name is Yul Brynner
And I am a famous movie star

Perhaps you saw me in Westworld
I acted like a robotic cowboy
It was my best role
I can not deny I
Felt right home deep inside
That electronic carcass

You're such monumental slime
Let the punishment fit the crime
Tie it to a chair
The house music will blare
And turn your ears into
A medicinal jelly

Stay inside on Christmas Day
And make believe that you are my candy cane
You said, "I'm not that type,
No I'm not sweet, and I'm not overripe

Bob Dylan sang in
"Its alright mama im only bleeding":
"Everything from toy guns that spark to flesh colored Christs that glow in the dark
Its easy to see we got in too far and not much is really sacred."

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:19 (sixteen years ago) link

This is the greatest movie poster in the history of the universe

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Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:42 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.fantafilm.it/Schede/1971c/76-16b.jpg

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Omni magazine to poster!

http://www.misterposter.com/test/images/dettaglio/F085d-FUTUREWORLD2000ANNINELFUTURO-2F.jpg

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:46 (sixteen years ago) link

I think this is the best movie poster ever:

but still, these are awesome.

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:50 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.musicman.com/pol/rck.gif

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 21:50 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
http://www.ejumpcut.org/archive/onlinessays/JC07folder/westworld.html

cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:25 (sixteen years ago) link

Yl Brynnr.

adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:28 (sixteen years ago) link

i'll do nothing of the sort.

jones (actual), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:46 (sixteen years ago) link

i have seen this film two times. both times i was high.

=0

adam. (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 22:47 (sixteen years ago) link

cozen's brynner bio upthread is ribald & delightful but what does it mean??

jones (actual), Wednesday, 22 September 2004 23:04 (sixteen years ago) link

four years pass...

i can't seem to find futureworld on DVD anywhere (it isn't available on Netflix).

anyway, i wonder if crichton's death means that there won't be a remake after all -- the original is a fun little movie. the obvious comparison would be to jurassic park, but i wonder if westworld also had some influence on the terminator (to wit, the relentless robot that can't be stopped absent a malfunction) or even the nightmare on elm street series (yul brynner with his melting face and on fire seems very freddy krueger-esque).

Eisbär (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 31 December 2008 16:55 (twelve years ago) link

Amazed this hasn't been remade yet. Happy it hasn't but seems like a surefire property for a cgi happy retread.

Billy Dods, Wednesday, 31 December 2008 17:10 (twelve years ago) link

Just now remembering exactly how postmodern this movie is.

Vault Boy Bobblehead - Drinking (kingfish), Wednesday, 31 December 2008 17:13 (twelve years ago) link

six years pass...

http://decider.com/2015/09/30/hbo-westworld-graphic-sex-scenes

This document serves to inform you that this project will require you to be fully nude and/or witness others fully nude and participate in graphic sexual situations. By accepting this Project assignment, you may be required to do any of the following: appear fully nude; wear a pubic hair patch; perform genital-to-genital touching; have your genitals painted; simulate oral sex with hand-to-genital touching; contort to form a table-like shape while being fully nude; pose on all fours while others who are fully nude ride on your back; ride on someone’s back while you are both fully nude; and other assorted acts the Project may require. The Project will also include language and sexual situations that some may consider personally objectionable or uncomfortable.

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 October 2015 12:41 (five years ago) link

i can't seem to find futureworld on DVD anywhere (it isn't available on Netflix).

it was on (perhaps only UK) Netflix at least for a little bit. i must admit though I couldn't finish it.

please don't shampoo your eyes (stevie), Thursday, 1 October 2015 12:55 (five years ago) link

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0127862/

Sex World! Go on a spree.
Sex World! Come here with me.
All you desire, we have for hire;
You'll turn to fire, we guarantee.

Sex World! Do what you will.
Sex World! You'll have your fill.
Give us your trust; climb on our bus;
Leave the loving to us, so great it will be.

Sex World! Let's make a date.
Sex World! Don't hesitate.
You'll find your love, below or above,
At Sex World, my God! Just wait and see...

Meta Forksclove-Liebeskind (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 1 October 2015 12:59 (five years ago) link

Futureworld currently available as a Region 2 DVD in Fopp for £3

sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 1 October 2015 13:30 (five years ago) link

eight months pass...

who the hell was demanding an HBO series of this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX3u0IlBBO4

helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 June 2016 17:23 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

Who's ready? I'm ready. The casting is so overcooked, this has nowhere to go but sideways. I can't imagine it being good.

Also, great chance to plug Artificial intelligence still has some way to go - the thread that will still be here when it stops being true

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 5 September 2016 00:57 (four years ago) link

the cast means i'll def check out the first few episodes

im a big fan of jeffrey wright recently

I know hoes that know Ali Farka Toure (voodoo chili), Monday, 5 September 2016 01:11 (four years ago) link

I rewatched the film a few months ago, it is not "great."

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 September 2016 02:13 (four years ago) link

i did like how Dick van Patten has maybe the 5th-biggest role, and perhaps 10-12 lines of dialogue

Yul is awesome obviously

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 September 2016 02:15 (four years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Z__wbpDa4

yeah, I feel like there's almost no way this isn't incredibly stupid

in

Number None, Wednesday, 14 September 2016 06:39 (four years ago) link

in

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Wednesday, 14 September 2016 13:51 (four years ago) link

someone told me ed brubaker is a writer on this... true?

I wish you could see my home. It's... it's so... exciting (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 14 September 2016 15:05 (four years ago) link

looks like it!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westworld_(TV_series)#Episodes

I've enjoyed Vincenzo Natali's tv directing work, so the episode that credits Brubaker as primary writer and him as director sounds promising

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Wednesday, 14 September 2016 15:10 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I think they may have broken some kind of record for Idiot Plot in a television series - only 40 minutes in and you have a dude interrupting his boss to say "Isn't this a Bad Idea?"
Followed by the schtick villain played by Ed Harris doing schtick and then uh

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 3 October 2016 01:47 (four years ago) link

Oh maybe next week they'll use string arrangements of songs that have the color "blue" or "white!"

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 3 October 2016 02:00 (four years ago) link

Anyway, I think I can dig it, even if it does turn out that Jeffrey Wright and/or Sidse Knudsen turn out to be robots, which btw I'm just calling that now
If they DO run with the color-by-song-title arranged-for-faux-period-instruments idea, I think I'll actually end up liking it even more

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 3 October 2016 02:32 (four years ago) link

helped by the fact that I was expecting a hot mess, I enjoyed that. I wonder if it was the pilot or the subsequent episodes that HBO had to retool?

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 3 October 2016 04:04 (four years ago) link

the review I read that said it was kind of formless for four episodes... what kind of narrative devices and exposition are these people looking for?

already starting to get the suspicion that stockpiling all your decommissioned androids in the basement, when the glitchy oldest models have been known to just "wake up," might not be the best idea

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 3 October 2016 14:18 (four years ago) link

imo Anthony Hopkins is the surprise android out there in the world, and the original creator is in cold storage or dead somewhere

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 3 October 2016 14:19 (four years ago) link

watching the original film, a couple of funny moments. The scientists / engineers around a table.. "in some cases the robots have been designed by other computers. We don't know exactly how they work." ?! WHAT

James Brolin looks like Patrick Bateman

Yul Brynner so creepy

calstars, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 01:28 (four years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/EDCBW3B.jpg
1880s American Psycho

calstars, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 01:32 (four years ago) link

"check all the snake central mechanisms during tonight's repair period."

calstars, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 01:44 (four years ago) link

this is about like sex robots in the old west or something right

Treeship, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 02:00 (four years ago) link

I think post-LOST sci-fi television really needs to quit it with the obvious tvtropes.com twist-begging garbage. I want to like this show, but we're being set up for:

* There's a DELOS globe in the sub-basement. Delos destinations! So the old west is just one, hmm hmm wonder what else is out there

* None of the "guests" have any home life that we get to see - nobody really doing a departure from future NYC, nobody changing into their period wardrobe, etc. OMG IS IT EVEN ON EARTH? IS ANYONE oh oh oh oh

* Wait up folks what if they're ALL ROBOTS?

I desperately hope there's no pan away to space, no obvious reveal that Jeffrey Wright is really an android, or god forbid some bullshit about how Ed Harris is an antihero (as opposed to the other obvious non-twist that he's the human version of Yul Brenner's Gunslinger because SCRIPT - FLIPPED!)

There's a lot to be said for Mad Men pulling the Dick Whitman reveal early and then moving on from it. But that was a show ostensibly about a real period and with real events to serve as milestones for the characters. SF/near-future TV needs to try harder to be like The Expanse or even, yeah, Firefly, and get away from stunts altogether. The audience is too ready for it and that makes it impossible to enjoy.

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 02:34 (four years ago) link

And by "the audience" I mean me and by "impossible to enjoy" I mean I have fun watching it but the way I watch it is thoroughly tainted by an unruly compulsion to decipher the entire production as if it were some kind of goddamn cryptic crossword and I blame M. Night Shyamalan & Chuck Palahniuk for everything. People with five syllable names wtf

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 02:43 (four years ago) link

You are making me not want to watch this

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 02:45 (four years ago) link

I should get paid

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 03:06 (four years ago) link

The Simpsons parodied this book/movie when the family visited the Duff beer theme park. If you liked that episode, you might also like this movie. /amazon.comrecommends

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 03:28 (four years ago) link

the last scene was telegraphed throughout the entire first episode but was still satisfying

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:13 (four years ago) link

I see the only book was a novelization; it was an original screenplay by Crichton in '73. He has nothing directly to do with this series, right?

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:30 (four years ago) link

well, he's dead

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:36 (four years ago) link

haha

i don't keep track, i assume it was some horrible theme-park mishap

The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:37 (four years ago) link

longer version would be that Abrams mentioned having talked to Crichton 20 years ago or so about remaking it as a movie but nothing came of it

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:38 (four years ago) link

I think he got some sort of weird climate change-related cancer, of which he did not believe

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:40 (four years ago) link

What I've read (spoilers?) said that in the first 4 eps provided to critics, there is no robot rampage/human death toll. The question the review raised is how a theme park robot rampage can sustain a series, let alone a second season.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:42 (four years ago) link

season two is when the robot virus makes it to eastworld

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:45 (four years ago) link

i watched last night and was entertained.

tomboto's Lost reference above seems apt. i watched Lost. all of it. i groaned many times. in some ways it was really predictable and in others just completely nonsensical. sometimes it was a really fucking awesome show. i ordered pizza with friends and watched it together when new episodes came out and tolerated the one friend in the group who was way waaaaaay into Lost.

let's just hope westworld doesn't end up putting out the equivalent of a Jack's Tattoo episode, though

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:46 (four years ago) link

eastworld is the set of cheers

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:46 (four years ago) link

Is there a Five Night's at Freddy's Netflix series in development?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:49 (four years ago) link

xpost
so it has already begun

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 4 October 2016 14:50 (four years ago) link

I enjoyed it

Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 October 2016 02:25 (four years ago) link

i ordered pizza with friends and watched it together when new episodes came out and tolerated the one friend in the group who was way waaaaaay into Lost.

i did this, too, and it actually makes me a lil misty about LOST

i thought this was fine, and about what i would expect from a pilot ep. trailer had my expectations higher, tho

jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 6 October 2016 02:37 (four years ago) link

Is it just me or was Harris channeling a little bit of Peter Weller

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Thursday, 6 October 2016 02:47 (four years ago) link

"The question the review raised is how a theme park robot rampage can sustain a series, let alone a second season."

i was under the impression this was a one-off limited series

anyway, I really liked this. you all are picky

akm, Thursday, 6 October 2016 13:09 (four years ago) link

It's not. They've talked about doing five seasons

Number None, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:40 (four years ago) link

This is basically HBO's big roll of the dice for a post-GOT blockbuster

Number None, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:41 (four years ago) link

@ least no horses will get shot, probably

johnny crunch, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:59 (four years ago) link

this was fun, but tempered by the post-LOST certainty that it will be sloppy and insulting within four eps

scriptwriting award of the year goes to [looks at robot while holding old photo of son] "good as new huh? sometimes i envy your forgetfulness"

r|t|c, Thursday, 6 October 2016 16:19 (four years ago) link

iirc LOST really went off the track when Abrams wandered off to do other things

Person of Interest was kind of ho-hum and samey after a while but never went off the rails, so there's hope?

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Thursday, 6 October 2016 16:22 (four years ago) link

doubt i will become accustomed to softly jarring danish lady accent

appalled by the brit bloke. could they not tell or were they just not interested in the difference between annoying character and godawful acting

r|t|c, Thursday, 6 October 2016 16:31 (four years ago) link

must admit i smirked @ old timey piano 'black hole sun'

r|t|c, Thursday, 6 October 2016 16:35 (four years ago) link

took me quite a while to place the tune

akm, Thursday, 6 October 2016 17:36 (four years ago) link

friend of a friend at HBO said this was in development hell for years and went through a million script revisions. allegedly, HBO is in a panic over not haven't a replacement queued up for GoT

Darin, Thursday, 6 October 2016 20:47 (four years ago) link

they kept pushing back the release, maybe they have been editing the hell out of it

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Thursday, 6 October 2016 23:41 (four years ago) link

this wasn't terrible or anything but if there are any riffs left to be had on "ai-becomes-sentient" i don't think they're coming here.

call all destroyer, Friday, 7 October 2016 01:27 (four years ago) link

they kept pushing back the release, maybe they have been editing the hell out of it

IIRC HBO wanted a more expansive/solid game plan than had been prepared re: the overall plot and future seasons, which set them back 6-9 months or so. Not at all unreasonable considering the investment.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 7 October 2016 02:09 (four years ago) link

so was ed harris's scalp map a way to the computer room

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Friday, 7 October 2016 03:17 (four years ago) link

or maybe a path to where the rogue bots hide

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Friday, 7 October 2016 03:18 (four years ago) link

I assume the map is like the secret of the lost woods in Zelda; the Delos game worlds can't be exited by just riding off into one direction or another (they mentioned nobody's found the edge, right?) but you can hit the boundaries by following a specific pattern, whether you intend to find game HQ + host storage or any other "off map" location.

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Friday, 7 October 2016 03:47 (four years ago) link

good theory!

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Friday, 7 October 2016 03:49 (four years ago) link

You'd have to be some pathological rich fucker to play this enough times that trying to ride off until you hit the edge would be a goal during a trip. Maybe that is what Harris's character has become.

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Friday, 7 October 2016 03:51 (four years ago) link

Oh I thought that was clear that that was exactly what he was

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Friday, 7 October 2016 04:30 (four years ago) link

Didn't people escape from one World set up into at least one other in one of the 70s films?
Technology and expectations of technology have probably changed massively in the interim though.

Stevolende, Friday, 7 October 2016 07:15 (four years ago) link

2nd EP is up on HBO's streaming platforms

Number None, Friday, 7 October 2016 15:52 (four years ago) link

You know, to paraphrase Jurassic Park, the is the theme park where the Pirates of the Caribbean try to eat you. Which was probably a Westworld reference to begin with.

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Friday, 7 October 2016 16:30 (four years ago) link

i thought this was pretty good. kept me going at least. great cast!

the physical character work for the malfunctioning hosts was great and really pretty unnerving, esp louis herthum (the dad) and michael wincott (the old bartender in the basement). i'm kinda hoping the show lets wincott stick around, i've always liked that guy.

funny tho in a world of 'big data' the menacing conversation between the manager and the young writer seemed pretty obvious. what does management get out of this? idk endless data on what people like to eat, watch, kill, fuck etc

goole, Friday, 7 October 2016 16:50 (four years ago) link

You'd have to be some pathological rich fucker to play this enough times that trying to ride off until you hit the edge would be a goal during a trip. Maybe that is what Harris's character has become.

― dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Thursday, October 6, 2016 11:51 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh I thought that was clear that that was exactly what he was

― Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto),

i thought they were setting ed harris up to be the detective trying to uncover the mystery (AKA the avatar of the viewer) and/or save the robots from their plight?

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Friday, 7 October 2016 16:55 (four years ago) link

industrial espionage maybe

goole, Friday, 7 October 2016 17:09 (four years ago) link

yeah I dunno I think he's more of a seeker, having decided that there's something deeper than acting out hero/villain fantasies
whether that's using the simulacrum of the world that's in robot form to find human truth, or finding the meaning of artificial life is yet to be seen

that's the ~deep thought~ stuff that I'm assuming with be telegraphed very obviously -- the androids approaching human, humans returning to the well of simulation in the hopes of finding what being human even means

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Friday, 7 October 2016 17:19 (four years ago) link

took a sick day from work, sorry for any incoming trite thoughts coming from cold medication and Westworld rewatching

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Friday, 7 October 2016 17:21 (four years ago) link

if i didn't know better i'd say the character could be a commentary on the psychosis of trying to find the outer limits or glitches in any game; he's the "x0.5 A presses" guy

goole, Friday, 7 October 2016 17:26 (four years ago) link

yeah, possibly unfortunately crossed with the people on LOST who kept turning over rocks looking for secret maps

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Friday, 7 October 2016 17:31 (four years ago) link

If you'd given me five minutes to come up with my most withering parody of a johnny nolan jarjar abrams joint there's a good chance it would open with a v.o. saying "have you ever questioned your reality"

Har-@-Iago (wins), Friday, 7 October 2016 17:39 (four years ago) link

yeah it needed some better dialogue for that stuff. playing shrink to 19th century people as a framing method for getting diagnostics on a robot is a fun li'l writing challenge.

i miss milch :(

goole, Friday, 7 October 2016 17:45 (four years ago) link

had my issues with the pilot but crazy old dad robot quoting shakespeare and freaking out was genuinely unsettling/good though

Number None, Friday, 7 October 2016 23:40 (four years ago) link

whoever that guy was he's a pretty good actor.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 8 October 2016 00:24 (four years ago) link

When they said he was quoting from his old modules I started hoping that at some point a cowboy will glitch and start screaming about an incoming asteroid field/orc horde, loads of AI prostitutes freaking out wondering what orcs are

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Saturday, 8 October 2016 21:06 (four years ago) link

Nice to know I'm finally getting to see a big-budget show with a soundtrack inspired by Richard Cheese & the Moog Cookbook

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 10 October 2016 01:13 (four years ago) link

LOL at the old-timey Radiohead. Second episode better.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 10 October 2016 10:59 (four years ago) link

Is there a background database around that says when this is set and how many Worlds there are or anything.
Currently having to skip back to see how the Roman Polanski guy apparently steps through a door from the resort (presumably real) world onto a moving train.

Stevolende, Monday, 10 October 2016 11:35 (four years ago) link

Interesting move to introduce the (human) point of entry / audience surrogate, if that's what he is, in ep 2. Also unexpected that he's a McPoyle

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 10 October 2016 13:12 (four years ago) link

I'm really enjoying this so far. Most of the puzzle-box shows since Lost have too sloppy or self-conscious about their mysteries, but this was fun. The Ed Harris sequences in the 2nd episode were all really gripping. And it's glossy and distracting enough to ignore how boring the dialogue has been so far.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 10 October 2016 13:42 (four years ago) link

i need to try this more seriously but even a glancing attempt suggested this is another sexploitation heavy series and i am fucking tired of this shit.

the notes the loon doesn't play (ulysses), Monday, 10 October 2016 14:06 (four years ago) link

leigh alexander had some good tweets about his as a pretty brilliant critique of gamers and video games

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 October 2016 14:10 (four years ago) link

for once I want to skip all the analysis and I'm just curious about this new story that Hopkins's character has created

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 10 October 2016 14:25 (four years ago) link

w/r/t sexploitation: i read an article with the writers/producers where they made it pretty clear that an interrogation of exploitative violence (sexual and otherwise) is very much the whole point. might end up being a case of having their cake and eating it too, but i'm hoping that they take it seriously

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 10 October 2016 14:30 (four years ago) link

Currently having to skip back to see how the Roman Polanski guy apparently steps through a door from the resort (presumably real) world onto a moving train.

i'm not entirely sure about it yet, but i'm thinking that westworld is VR and by the time he was in the wardrobe he was already in the virtual world

bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Monday, 10 October 2016 14:36 (four years ago) link

ed harris's character's quest is apparently not to break the fourth wall of westworld but some sort of deeply-hidden storyline that was scripted but nearly impossible to do?

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 10 October 2016 14:47 (four years ago) link

Interesting move to introduce the (human) point of entry / audience surrogate, if that's what he is, in ep 2. Also unexpected that he's a McPoyle

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 10 October 2016 14:12 Bookmark

v disappointed he didnt meet the android pouring milk everywhere

r|t|c, Monday, 10 October 2016 15:33 (four years ago) link

[SPOILERS] episode 3 trailer looks fire though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPKGXgS3Fl8

r|t|c, Monday, 10 October 2016 15:35 (four years ago) link

regardless that they making truman show guy who also looks like robocop do it, i literally cannot deal with the dharma initiative scalp map horseshit every synapse in my brain is having nam flashbacks

r|t|c, Monday, 10 October 2016 15:49 (four years ago) link

jeffrey wright bedroom twist was bad

r|t|c, Monday, 10 October 2016 15:49 (four years ago) link

argh harris is the man in black too i forgot

r|t|c, Monday, 10 October 2016 15:51 (four years ago) link

I'm glad someone else thinks Ed Harris is partially channeling Peter Weller

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 10 October 2016 15:52 (four years ago) link

So, since the hosts can apparently get infections, I guess that answers another question I had - can you eat the synthetic animals? I'd assume so. And: do they charge you an extra fee for that?

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 10 October 2016 16:12 (four years ago) link

can you eat the people, and are they any good with bbq sauce

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 10 October 2016 16:20 (four years ago) link

they can eat each other, that dude who has GREAT STORY IDEAS included auto-cannibalism in his pitch, which lol

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 10 October 2016 16:21 (four years ago) link

I was wondering about VR but they do keep spending time fixing what seem to be physical androids.

Stevolende, Monday, 10 October 2016 16:32 (four years ago) link

hopkins and the boy in the desert: i should watch it again; i couldn't tell if the boy was a host or not

but hopkins said he had a vision (?) of a town with a white church. i wonder if his next great storyline is to let the guests build a town, settle permanently (open world expansion pack is always building your own place right) (hbo to david milch: drop dead)

goole, Monday, 10 October 2016 16:48 (four years ago) link

he tells the boy not to come there again and he like blankly accedes so yeah. it's unclear to begin with cos he says he's "on holiday" which doesnt scan as a period detail, but i guess it is

they are def hinting at guest/host stuff tho

didnt mib say something like "i've been coming here 30 years i was born here"?

r|t|c, Monday, 10 October 2016 16:55 (four years ago) link

i couldn't tell if the boy was a host or not

the way he dismissed him and told him not to go near that spot again seemed like a command to me, so i figured he was a host
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I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Monday, 10 October 2016 16:55 (four years ago) link

i ~think~ MIB snuck in a qualifier, like "it's like i was born here"

cuz like the dude is clearly waaaaay older than 30yo

i was a little confused about the interaction with the boy, too -- thought the commands at the end made it clear that he was a host, tho

also: the gun that dolores digs up at the end --- might this be a "real" gun that can harm guests (ie MIB)?

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 10 October 2016 16:59 (four years ago) link

OH MY GOD THE DOUCHEBAG MCPOYLE BUDDY ACTOR IS PAOLO FROM NIKKI & PAOLO OH CHRIST IN HEAVEN NOOOO

r|t|c, Monday, 10 October 2016 17:10 (four years ago) link

at the end of the maze is damon lindelof who turns direct to camera and ¯\_(ツ)_/¯s as mib tearfully deletes his thirty year event log and starts all over again from the beginning

r|t|c, Monday, 10 October 2016 17:14 (four years ago) link

it was probably not intended to be read as such but a team of people in hazmat hosing the semen and blood off a room full of inert extras isn't such a bad commentary on HBO's product either (do u see)

xp really feel like my life has been improved by ignoring lost totally

goole, Monday, 10 October 2016 17:15 (four years ago) link

30 years would be the age of the written programme which wouldn't necessarily corelate with the apparent age of the character.

Is he like a white blood cell cleaning up the set up or something?

Stevolende, Monday, 10 October 2016 17:50 (four years ago) link

he's a guest! which is why his actual ("actual") age is relevant

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 10 October 2016 17:52 (four years ago) link

I was wondering if he was definitely a guest. That isn't going to be the twist - that he's a higher level of programming that people would assume is a guest because he appears to appear from the outside while he actually doesn't. Not sure anything's been established enough so far to give him an external background story, has it?

Stevolende, Monday, 10 October 2016 18:03 (four years ago) link

Did wonder on hearing that line about him being born thereabouts if that was some form of a clue.

Stevolende, Monday, 10 October 2016 18:04 (four years ago) link

i thought it had been leaked ahead of time that he was a guest (vs a host, like in the original)?

also seemed like he was being treated like a guest by the folks in the control room? "should we slow him down?" "no he can do what he likes" or something to that effect

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 10 October 2016 18:07 (four years ago) link

it was probably not intended to be read as such but a team of people in hazmat hosing the semen and blood off a room full of inert extras isn't such a bad commentary on HBO's product either

I thought this was fully intentional, a "show 'em" bookend to the "tell 'em" line by the black hat guest in the beginning about guns and tits, man

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 10 October 2016 18:14 (four years ago) link

pretty sure he's a guest who fully believes that he's found his true self by visiting Westworld, hence the disdain for all the "beginner" plots and reminiscing about all the times he's experienced things. "born here" is some evangelical-style rebirth stuff, or at least that's how it's presented so far

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 10 October 2016 18:15 (four years ago) link

How about the white-hat nebbish introduced in this episode is actually Ed Harris 30 years prior.

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 10 October 2016 18:17 (four years ago) link

*cocks eyebrow, extends pointer finger, taps temple 3 times*

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 10 October 2016 18:18 (four years ago) link

unless they go completely crazy with a future setting, all the entrances/exits are via elevators and hidden doors
the train bit seemed to be elevators dropping them into the staging area into the world, with the train "coming out of a tunnel" to go across the landscape toward the town

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 10 October 2016 18:19 (four years ago) link

reminds me a little of disney world, with the employee/entertainer doors being all over the park but very thinly disguised. so many locked/fake doors that aren't somewhere you'd want to wander, so you never think about them being actual routes that just aren't for visitors

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 10 October 2016 18:21 (four years ago) link

I visited WDW in high school with my school orchestra and we played a little concert on one of the stages. The transition from "on set" to the "back stage" area is kind of jarring -- you never realize how many little details are set up to make things seamless inside the park until you go through a gate and suddenly everything is very functional instead of ornamental and there's a giant rack of costumes just sitting off to the side

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 10 October 2016 18:24 (four years ago) link

unless they go completely crazy with a future setting, all the entrances/exits are via elevators and hidden doors
the train bit seemed to be elevators dropping them into the staging area into the world, with the train "coming out of a tunnel" to go across the landscape toward the town

― dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, October 10, 2016 7:19 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

was why I asked since it would break away from basic physical laws in a rather too magical way wouldn't it?
But it does seem that he goes down a corridor, through a door and is on a carriage in a moving train and the process is followed shortly afterwards by his friend.
You do see the light moving through the glass windows of the closed door in a way very reminiscent of a lift but it's onto a moving train.

Stevolende, Monday, 10 October 2016 18:27 (four years ago) link

Is the resort still called Delos in the reboot?

henry s, Monday, 10 October 2016 18:33 (four years ago) link

Yes.

Theory: white hat McPoyle introduced in this ep is past version of Ed Harris, his black hat friend gets killed, possibly by him, and the buried gun belonged to black hat friend. This season is going to be one long MIB origin story.

Also what's with the mouth on the lady scientist? She cursed more in one scene than all the faux saloon brawlers have together so far.

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 10 October 2016 18:40 (four years ago) link

A dirty glass of cheap whiskey says white hat mcpoyle runs into Michael Wincott's host at some point and the music goes WAWOWEWAAA

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 10 October 2016 18:46 (four years ago) link

Harris said "In a sense, I was born here"

Number None, Monday, 10 October 2016 18:47 (four years ago) link

it's shown in the first episode that the backstage area is actually in the same landscape as the park btw

Number None, Monday, 10 October 2016 18:48 (four years ago) link

You do see the light moving through the glass windows of the closed door in a way very reminiscent of a lift but it's onto a moving train.

It's on to a train car that seems to have some movement but the question "how do we get there?" seems like it'd be kind of silly if it felt like they were on a moving -- I figured they're dropped into the train car that has some illusion of movement, and the actual movement is when it pulls out of the "tunnel"

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 10 October 2016 18:51 (four years ago) link

like idk maybe there's a teleporter but the simple explanation is they're dropped into a non-moving train that starts moving once everyone is on board

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 10 October 2016 18:52 (four years ago) link

Dressing room car is on underground rails below the western train on parallel tracks - car switches on to a diagonal or perpendicular cantilever track, is carried up into a temporary gap between the western train cars, guest steps through door into the saloon car, dressing room rolls back down to underground tracks, western train cars close the gap.

I could draw this for you

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 10 October 2016 18:57 (four years ago) link

it seems like there would be an easier way to transport the guests to the train

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Monday, 10 October 2016 19:02 (four years ago) link

perhaps the guests could walk out onto a platform and step directly onto the train

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Monday, 10 October 2016 19:03 (four years ago) link

Retrograde

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 10 October 2016 19:03 (four years ago) link

televator

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 10 October 2016 19:09 (four years ago) link

My 2nd favorite part of our cruise to Alaska was the opt-in guided tour of the engine room and all the kitchens and the bridge and such.

Kind of sad that you apparently have to ride for miles and serial murder a bunch of "crew" to get the same experience at a Delos resort. I'm just saying

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 10 October 2016 19:10 (four years ago) link

well, they told you that was the engine room and the kitchen

could just be the show version they present to tourists

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 10 October 2016 19:11 (four years ago) link

Every vacation you take is really just you and your fam buying some seats on the front half of the snowpiercer train. Think about it.

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 10 October 2016 19:16 (four years ago) link

the simple explanation is they're dropped into a non-moving train that starts moving once everyone is on board

― dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, October 10, 2016 1:52 PM (forty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

thought this was p clear tbh

also man i would totally love a tour of the behind the scenes of an alaskan cruise ship that sounds boss

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 10 October 2016 19:36 (four years ago) link

It is! Also I never knew cruise ships are all hybrid and have been for years (decades now I assume?). The fuel is only used to drive generators. Everything else including the propellers is electric.

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 10 October 2016 19:39 (four years ago) link

huh --- i guess that makes sense, subs/etc are the same. as are, iirc (and to get back on topic), modern locomotives

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 10 October 2016 19:46 (four years ago) link

Man I'm loving the Disneyland allegories- Hopkins is Walt, "The fans come back for the little details" etc. Agree that the maze is a super advanced thing for special fans like Club 33 or something. Thinking Ed H is more of an Adult Disney rather than a video game freak.

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 10 October 2016 19:48 (four years ago) link

Is there some form of leger de main with a train in one of the original films. Not seen either in quite a while but am getting images of that from distant memory. Like they actually project the locale supposedly passed through onto something visible through the windows.

Stevolende, Monday, 10 October 2016 20:23 (four years ago) link

I like this fine. It is pretty. I'm worried that it's dramatically flimsy, though. I fear that its potential success is predicated on a series of gotcha reveals about who is/isn't a robutt, and the game-within-the-game, and moments of drawing back a curtain to say ~look, the answer was in front of you the whole time, see? ~ and that such things are weak devices for a continuing series. There are a lot of characters with storylines that are being dribbled out in miniscule proportions, and the rapid shuffling of plots seems designed to make it seem like more has happened than really has.

remy bean, Monday, 10 October 2016 21:01 (four years ago) link

Things I think have happened.

The blonde robot lady is an old robot who has been used in other modules, and she's got a gun and is becoming conscious and maybe free-willed. .
So is the guy who was her father, but isn't her father any anymore because another guy is her father now.
Anthony Hopkins plays David Attenborough, and he's up to something and is releasing a new DLC that nobody knows about. Possibly he is a robot. A church, a child, and a snake are involved. He can control the snakes, but probably will die rom a snakebite.
Jeffrey Wright has a robot wife, or not?
Thandie Newton wakes up mid-surgery, and runs around nekkid in the backstage area.
The Good StoryLine Guy doesn't understand anything.
There's a lot of drama laid on pretty thick w/r/t to the humiliation of the robots. It is laid on by humiliating the robots, and having people stand without clothes for the pleasure of the viewing audience.

remy bean, Monday, 10 October 2016 21:08 (four years ago) link

I like the idea that Hopkins' character might die from a snakebite, like Cleopatra and the asp. What did we do before Chekhov's Gun?

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Monday, 10 October 2016 21:36 (four years ago) link

waited for the play to start

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 10 October 2016 21:42 (four years ago) link

like, this show seems to be fairly unclear on the distinction between mystery, suspense, and dramatic irony, and feel they are all equally compelling. but mystery occasioned by not knowing significant crap because of deliberately blindered POV characters is a pretty weak form of engaging an audience. and it doesn't reward repeat viewing. and if mysteries are just mysteries because the camera cuts away at significant times or the characters are super laconic, or if they whisper things the audience can't hear it's just kind of a neener-neener-neener from the show's writing staff.

remy bean, Monday, 10 October 2016 22:33 (four years ago) link

imo Jeffrey Wright is the robutt and has no idea but the boss who is banging him and David Attenborough both know

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 10 October 2016 23:28 (four years ago) link

I think good storyline guy thinks he's Quentin Tarantino writing a spaghetti
western but he's more like the Boondocks Saints guy writing a John Wayne movie

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Monday, 10 October 2016 23:30 (four years ago) link

That is an excellent analogy, we're just trading compliments now

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 00:26 (four years ago) link

You guys have seen blade runner , right?

calstars, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 00:46 (four years ago) link

Cause it's the same shit

calstars, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 00:47 (four years ago) link

I'm seeing a lot of Miller/Darrow's Hard Boiled in this.

aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 00:51 (four years ago) link

Caprica did it well!

rb (soda), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 00:57 (four years ago) link

Blade Runner had a lot more going for it than wondering who was/wasn't a synthetic iPods or whatever

rb (soda), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 00:58 (four years ago) link

I want them to show the pre-Wild Bill android and it's Chappie

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 01:15 (four years ago) link

Caprica was fun as I recall. How come people who imbue synthetic life with consciousness always seem to smoke btw?

Anacostia Aerodrome (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 02:25 (four years ago) link

noir affectation + forbidden habit that is still relatable

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 02:33 (four years ago) link

if it didn't smell horrible, stain everything, make you look like a melted candle and cause long-term health problems, it'd be great

all things that replicants don't care about and fictional cigarettes don't cause

dr. mercurio arboria (mh 😏), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 02:35 (four years ago) link

They fixed all that stuff in the future

Notice we haven't see anyone vaping

Number None, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 12:24 (four years ago) link

The Einger: Our Craziest ‘Westworld’ Theories

I like Jason Concepcion's theory that the characters are modeled on Bartle's MUD player taxonomy. But I thought you guys would appreciate this:

Alison Herman: My craziest, most out-there Westworld theory is that … I refuse to have a Westworld theory. I do not believe there is anything to theorize about. What we see is genuinely what we get. Take that, Reddit!

Hear me out: Like so many lab rats, we’ve been trained to associate Nolan projects with batshit-crazy reveals. Add in J.J. “I Gave a TED Talk About How Much I Like Mysteries” Abrams and you’ve got a rock-solid case for the logic that most of the internet, including this question, is following, i.e., that something big is coming down the pipeline, and it’s our job to find out what it is. But what if Abrams and Jonathan Nolan and Lisa Joy Nolan are one step ahead of us? What if they’ve gone so far into twist territory that they’ve come out the other side? What if the twist is that there is no twist, and the most out-there speculation you can make is that there is no speculation to make?

El Tomboto, Friday, 14 October 2016 19:52 (four years ago) link

they only dropped episode 2 early because of the debate, I guess

was kind of hoping I could watch it earlier this weekend

mh 😏, Friday, 14 October 2016 19:57 (four years ago) link

Man, Elsie (the lady host-technician) really hates her, uh, work environment

El Tomboto, Monday, 17 October 2016 01:18 (four years ago) link

The first time they shot that scene, instead of explaining what the bicameral theory of the mind is, Jeffrey Wright just belched. Should've stuck with the first take.

El Tomboto, Monday, 17 October 2016 01:45 (four years ago) link

if I wrote this: Anthony Hopkins is the robot created by Arnold, Arnold is hiding in the park and the map is his

mh 😏, Monday, 17 October 2016 01:48 (four years ago) link

Let it be said that I kind of want to give the third episode a hug for blowing up most of my hypotheses and making me just look forward to whatever happens next. Damn the guns of Chekhov! I'm kind of genuinely worried about a couple of these people now!

El Tomboto, Monday, 17 October 2016 02:37 (four years ago) link

Anthony Hopkins' character streamed bone tomahawk

veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 17 October 2016 05:33 (four years ago) link

~on TCM, of course~

veggie sticks potato snacks (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 17 October 2016 05:36 (four years ago) link

OK goddamnit, I'm in for the season.

$40,000 a day huh?

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 17 October 2016 07:28 (four years ago) link

lol Sufjan

mh 😏, Monday, 17 October 2016 14:03 (four years ago) link

There's still been no real anchoring time evident has there? I mean only times have been relative. Ed Harris storyline already being 30 years old, Anthony Hopkins having set the park up a certain amount of time ago. So could be 30 years or upwards away from now, just needs a time line where life like seeming androids are invented and computer memory has somewhat advanced.

Otherwise main points of technology are that hand held device related to the office landscape.

So still wonderig when it is actually set, though not sure how relevant to the story that is

Stevolende, Monday, 17 October 2016 14:18 (four years ago) link

Hoping the Julian Jaynes allusions are going to be a recurring theme!

ryan, Monday, 17 October 2016 18:12 (four years ago) link

uh, was that the smoke monster I heard?

Number None, Monday, 17 October 2016 23:35 (four years ago) link

they named it Arnold

mh 😏, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 00:12 (four years ago) link

fantheory where westworld is secretly revealed to be a prequel to lost and the island is the ruins of a theme park gone wrong

rip my mensches (s.clover), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 06:22 (four years ago) link

My theory is that westworld is just an adjunct to Wally world

calstars, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 09:26 (four years ago) link

going back a bit, i thought it was pretty clearly telegraphed that the boy Ford talks to in the desert is himself as a child (both British, both costumed in white shirts and black pants; the talk about the remark "both" their fathers made about boredom). not sure why he would make a host of himself

the fact that we don't get to see "arnold" in flashback suggests to me that arnold either doesn't actually exist, or that arnold is someone we've already been introduced to.

i'm a little puzzled about dolores' disappearing-reappearing gun.

gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 14:09 (four years ago) link

she's glitching, for sure

tbh i have had those days

mh 😏, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 14:15 (four years ago) link

I saw that as rapidly flipping back and forth between the memories of all the variations on that scenario that she's lived through.

Super into this btw, which I did not expect.

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 14:29 (four years ago) link

did not expect to hear "Pissed up in SE1" on the piano roll this week.. the show is constantly bringing a smile to my face. will Wyatt's crew hurt the new guest? was Teddy tortured, or....?

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 16:30 (four years ago) link

really weird feelings about the implied rape revenge dynamic going on here

mh 😏, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 17:39 (four years ago) link

This is pretty neat

http://www.polygon.com/tv/2016/10/17/13306082/westworld-dolores-bioware-npc

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 20:05 (four years ago) link

This season is going to be one long MIB origin story.

I scanned this thread a bit before watching the first episode and was waiting for Michael Ian Black to show up.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 19 October 2016 13:20 (four years ago) link

I was waiting for Will Smith and Tommy Lee Jones

mh 😏, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 14:40 (four years ago) link

what the hell maze game

El Tomboto, Monday, 24 October 2016 01:12 (four years ago) link

Good to know that in the future bucket wheel loader technology hasn't changed one bit.

Also we seem to have gotten an answer to a question I had about whether 100% of the life in the park was artificial - Ford says he and Arnold were responsible for every blade of grass - but how does the ecosystem work then?

El Tomboto, Monday, 24 October 2016 02:19 (four years ago) link

it was rhetorical

mh 😏, Monday, 24 October 2016 04:22 (four years ago) link

Does Delos have other themed parks juxtaposed to Westworld in this? The space they have seems vast as it is.

Stevolende, Monday, 24 October 2016 06:50 (four years ago) link

In the movie there were other theme parks--one of them Ancient Rome--but nu-WW runners say this isn't the case here (though they have lied before)

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 24 October 2016 17:58 (four years ago) link

I'm currently a host in Midwestworld. We're self-aware that this is a simulation but it's mundane enough that I just kind of deal with it.

mh 😏, Monday, 24 October 2016 18:07 (four years ago) link

I don't think it was rhetorical. I think the ecosystem really is supposed to be fully self-contained and artificial.

El Tomboto, Monday, 24 October 2016 18:20 (four years ago) link

going back a bit, i thought it was pretty clearly telegraphed that the boy Ford talks to in the desert is himself as a child (both British, both costumed in white shirts and black pants; the talk about the remark "both" their fathers made about boredom)

patron sailer completely otm, think this is meant to be clear

niels, Monday, 24 October 2016 19:10 (four years ago) link

i didn't pick that up at all.

this is holding my interest but i'm kind of planning on it getting ropy and stupid pretty quickly here. i feel like it's doling out its secrets in irritatingly small pieces but i guess that's the form innit.

it's unclear to me in a not-pleasing way exactly what kind of diagnostic alerts and real-time monitoring the managers have. you'd think if there was a set procedure for dealing with hosts that start to have strange ideas, then something like thandie newton discovering her earlier drawings of hazmat men would set off alarm bells.

otoh i like the idea that the software for fake-consiousness is so complex that they are stuck w/ using the conversational 'interface' and limited logs to figure out what they host was 'thinking'

i don't think the show has really captured what a game-player's mentality is, the good guy dork and evil brosexual are a snooze. there's something about a double consciousness that doesn't have much to do with "morality" -- wanting to really enjoy and get into 'character' as part of an immersive experience, but at the same time level up, acquire shit, maximize your time, see the outer limits of the design, fuck with the rules, etc. the show is def too self-serious to be all that insightful about how ppl behave in sims and what that might mean.

the scene between hopkins and the danish manager was pretty tense and unsettling but idk corporate conflict between R&D and bean-counters is not usuall so operatic. it all seemed a little unprofessional if u ask me.

goole, Monday, 24 October 2016 19:29 (four years ago) link

The quest to find Wyatt
- Secret origin of nice guy gunslinger who previously had no real backstory
- Black hat's quest finds tattooed snake woman who is searching for Wyatt
- Wyatt has some demon cult, the native americans have figures of the WW technicians that resemble Hopi kachina dolls and some backstory that they view them as walking between worlds

The quick cut from the revelation snake lady's plan is to bust into the prison to black hat being on the prison transport was something I didn't quite catch originally. A prison break always happens but it's triggered early (with the exploding cigar gag!)

"Where are you from?" "Same as you, don't you remember?"
camera pans down to little girl's sketch in the dirt of the maze pattern
orion's belt -- it's not orion's belt, but the lines and dots look like they could be laid over the maze as a map with waypoints

"a world where you can do anything you want -- except die"
who is it that really can't die? the guests can't be killed, but the hosts are repaired, repurposed, or put in storage

mh 😏, Monday, 24 October 2016 19:59 (four years ago) link

desert hills aren't 100% safe regardless what the robots are supposed to do. maybe the guy just tripped or drowned or something.

goole, Monday, 24 October 2016 20:13 (four years ago) link

I hope for a multi-season mystery of what happened to arnold, then they reveal he accidentally tripped and hit his head on a rock. Or maybe it was auto-erotic asphyxiation.

mh 😏, Monday, 24 October 2016 20:16 (four years ago) link

Arnold is Dolores you guys

El Tomboto, Monday, 24 October 2016 22:18 (four years ago) link

Can't spell Dolores Abernathy without A R N O L D

El Tomboto, Monday, 24 October 2016 22:20 (four years ago) link

I hope for a multi-season mystery of why in the name of fuck they leave the bullets inside the hosts sometimes. Maybe they'll leave it completely unanswered!

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 03:44 (four years ago) link

Didn't get how a request for explosive use was communicated. & is that something that happens every time a guest improvises an apparently spontaneous plan with danger involved.

Just caught one of the story moderators or whatever the HQ job is called responding to the call & giving ok.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 07:10 (four years ago) link

I guess that was just to communicate that THEY ARE WATCHING EVERYTHING

But I guess they are NOT ACTUALLY WATCHING EVERTYTHING if Thandie Newton can bury all those pictures without being noticed

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 10:52 (four years ago) link

Is taht down to her being a host not a guest. & they've only been expecting hosts to follow pre-programmed storylines that they know the parameters of for the main part.
BUt looks like AI is becoming stronger even if it is just old programmes corroding and running into each other which isn't a way I thought those things worked. Certainly not to take on a life of their own.
But maybe I'm thinking of things in a more binary way than things will turn out to be. But I thought that was still the basic model idea for programming anyway.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 11:57 (four years ago) link

They're not watching everything, just the guests.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 11:57 (four years ago) link

That's not true. It's also been shown that they watch the hosts to check if they're deviating from their loops. The logistics of running the park seem all over the place though, bascially whatever's required to fit the (show's) plot

Number None, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 12:13 (four years ago) link

last week stumble, this week faceplant. four episodes i told u

r|t|c, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 12:32 (four years ago) link

WW has the feel of one of those quickly vanished post-Lost shows from a few years ago (like Alcatraz) but one that sat in development and had a lot of money and stars thrown at it

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 25 October 2016 13:15 (four years ago) link

Was brusque scando business woman scratching her nose while mentioning that she was sitting in the same chair she sat in when she visited with her parents meant to be a hint that she's a robot

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 25 October 2016 13:46 (four years ago) link

What if all the guests and staff are robots and all the hosts are human

or something

Number None, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 13:49 (four years ago) link

This feels a lot better than those post-Lost shows (not just because of the $$$ and actors)

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 13:57 (four years ago) link

I guess they didn't have the awesome feature of making us guess if x is a robot or not

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 25 October 2016 13:58 (four years ago) link

But, yeah, the early maze conversation between ERW and Jeffery Wright did push the limits of "I'm going to be pointlessly vague about this to maintain suspense"

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 13:59 (four years ago) link

If you're interested, Vincenzo Natali has posted a handful of his storyboards for the recent episode on twitter: https://twitter.com/Vincenzo_Natali/status/790859254517395458

mh 😏, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 14:16 (four years ago) link

xp but also killed the suspense by sketching a lot of the mystery out immediately, it's already on action thriller rails

they are p meta upfront gamey about the rails tho so maybe there has to a deeper level to this etc zzz

r|t|c, Tuesday, 25 October 2016 14:58 (four years ago) link

That's not true. It's also been shown that they watch the hosts to check if they're deviating from their loops

That mostly seems to be the dumb QA team seeing if a robot has literally wandered off, not running brain diagnostics or anything.

I hope for a multi-season mystery of why in the name of fuck they leave the bullets inside the hosts sometimes.

Tbf they did have that little voice-over implying that the techs were rushed because QA wanted her back out right away.

At least they're making stabs at plausibility.

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 October 2016 15:16 (four years ago) link

i like this show mainly because I like the actors and the set pieces but there are some annoying internal inconsistencies that don't make sense like, what is a day for the hosts vs what is a day for the guests? don't the hosts wake up every morning and repeat the same thing? then why don't the guests see the hosts acting out the same shit daily? and when do they clear the robot bodies away and clean them up? etc.

akm, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 23:07 (four years ago) link

show is hella dumb but watching anyway

Spottie, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 23:08 (four years ago) link

well yeah sex robots

akm, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 23:08 (four years ago) link

like, there seemed to be a point where evan rachel wood is with Bernard that happens in the middle of the night when she's apparently also with dude from House of Cards by the campfire. Did they just come take her out of the scene? doesn't that screw with the sense of reality for the guests?

akm, Wednesday, 26 October 2016 23:10 (four years ago) link

show is hella dumb but watching anyway

― Spottie, Wednesday, October 26, 2016 6:08 PM (eight minutes ago)

same

aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 23:17 (four years ago) link

drink every time a new character is naked when they're introduced

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 26 October 2016 23:30 (four years ago) link

finally caught up to this. i'm a vote for this show is fantastic.

Mordy, Sunday, 30 October 2016 02:19 (four years ago) link

OK that last bit with Ford + Dolores was fantastic

the beardo douchebag technician is even lazier than the black hat douchebag wannabe Delos-owner, though

El Tomboto, Monday, 31 October 2016 01:26 (four years ago) link

Good to know our clockmaker god carries a pocketwatch in his vest THPPBT

El Tomboto, Monday, 31 October 2016 01:27 (four years ago) link

oh shit actual goosebumps

El Tomboto, Monday, 31 October 2016 02:04 (four years ago) link

this show just earned everything it's asked of me.

Given the Lynchian nature of some of the sequences in this ep, I think my idea that we're watching a couple of different timelines in the history of the park might still end up being the case - but as above, I don't care anymore. This is getting really good.

El Tomboto, Monday, 31 October 2016 02:19 (four years ago) link

yeah this was an excellent episode, and the trailer for what's to come is rather exciting (thandie newton in a jumpsuit leading a swarm of armed invaders into the HQ)

akm, Monday, 31 October 2016 13:46 (four years ago) link

Also this episode made it pretty clear - to me, anyway - that the park operators and hosts have more in common than they do with the guests, including that most of the park techs joke about being recycled or whatever as a means to stave off the anxiety that they might be a "host" themselves.

And did I miss it earlier or is the same technology used to repair and clean the hosts the reason why illness and disease have been eradicated in the "real world?" Has that been made explicit?

El Tomboto, Monday, 31 October 2016 17:03 (four years ago) link

i thought this ep was pretty bad! gratuitous in its presentation, tedious in characterization, parsimonious in the various 'mysteries'

still hooked tho :/ fuckin hbo

goole, Monday, 31 October 2016 17:10 (four years ago) link

the douchebag & dork nonbuddies are so uninteresting and unconvincing

goole, Monday, 31 October 2016 17:11 (four years ago) link

This is the first episode where I really got in tune with Dork Nonbuddy (that is his name now, thanks): He put a lot of work into his "hmm, maybe I should shoot this robot that is choking my new BiL" look, and then again when it was time for the "why do I care so much about what you think, robot girl?" look, and then like four more times when he had to chew it up with no lines. I officially care about what happens to this guy that barely talks! That's good TV.

El Tomboto, Monday, 31 October 2016 19:29 (four years ago) link

Dudes name is McPoyle always will be

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 31 October 2016 19:53 (four years ago) link

his motivation is "i am a good man," but if there's any commentary on videogamers here it ought to just be "i don't have much interest in sex robots, also i'd like to see what the good-guy quest lines are on my first run through but my friend keeps capping the npcs, it's so annoying"

among repeat players you'd see the userbase coalescing into types if not factions: scuzzbags who just like to kill and fuck, push the limits of pvp violence and trolling; true LARPer types who get really committed to their character and the immersion of it (whether as hero or villain); and completionist/a-press weirdos who want to experience every last thing, map out the underlying rules/patterns and explore every weird glitch.

goole, Monday, 31 October 2016 19:54 (four years ago) link

And those bathroom gamers who are secretly shitting by the hitching posts

tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 31 October 2016 20:06 (four years ago) link

are you a gamer, goole

mh 😏, Monday, 31 October 2016 20:23 (four years ago) link

I'm watching a few more of these, just started ep 4. I find the trick is to tune out the dialogue pretty much completely whenever one person has been speaking for more than 5 seconds. And simply finding other things to do during everything set outside of the park, in the control room or whatever, cause the "as you know gentlemen" is off the fucking charts in this thing

why is borgen even in this

did we ever get wizz sorted (wins), Monday, 31 October 2016 20:29 (four years ago) link

meta commentary about emmy chasing in this latest 'sode

tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 31 October 2016 20:45 (four years ago) link

and the allure of turner network television syndication

tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 31 October 2016 20:47 (four years ago) link

lol

Cast
Main cast
Evan Rachel Wood as Dolores Abernathy, as the oldest host; she is a Western girl who discovers her entire life is an elaborately constructed lie.[4] Her aesthetic drew influences from Andrew Wyeth's painting Christina's World as well as Lewis Carroll's Alice.[5]
Thandie Newton as Maeve Millay, a host; she is the beautiful and sharp madam of Westworld.[6]
Jeffrey Wright as Bernard Lowe, head of the Westworld Programming Division and creator of artificial people, as well as the current manifestation of Nyarlathotep, who was called from beyond the darkness to unleash the inscrutable nightmare of maddening hellfire and mind-numbing insanity.[7]

did we ever get wizz sorted (wins), Monday, 31 October 2016 20:56 (four years ago) link

I bet my kid can pronounce Nyarlathotep though

ELECTION (no comey I) (El Tomboto), Monday, 31 October 2016 21:21 (four years ago) link

Basically I'm waiting for S1 to end and come out on DVD before I dive in.

Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 31 October 2016 21:24 (four years ago) link

man I really hope the McPoyle = Man in Black theory isn't true

Number None, Monday, 31 October 2016 21:27 (four years ago) link

all of the conversations of Anthony Hopkins, etc, seem to indicate we're seeing things that are happening contemporaneously and not two different time periods so uhhh idk how that could be the case

mh 😏, Monday, 31 October 2016 21:28 (four years ago) link

the main pieces of "evidence" seem to be the different versions of the Westworld logo in certain scenes and the fact that McPoyle and friend haven't interacted with many of the main characters other than Dolores. There's a lot more evidence that points to it not being true but that hasn't stopped the fanboys tying themselves in knots about it (and the show was created by a Nolan brother...)

Number None, Monday, 31 October 2016 21:39 (four years ago) link

spoiler: it's actually named for the guy who created it, Mr. West

mh 😏, Monday, 31 October 2016 22:06 (four years ago) link

"Wake up, Mr. West!"

Crazy Eddie & Jesus the Kid (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 31 October 2016 22:08 (four years ago) link

"...or may I call you 007?"

ELECTION (no comey I) (El Tomboto), Monday, 31 October 2016 22:19 (four years ago) link

kanye in wild wild west instead of will smith

mh 😏, Monday, 31 October 2016 22:23 (four years ago) link

The two-timeline thing doesn't really make sense, as the hosts they're interacting with seem to behave identically to the ones in all the other scenes

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 31 October 2016 23:51 (four years ago) link

yeah. Especially given the MIB's speech this week about how different the old robots were and the grizzled prospector dude that Anthony Hopkins hangs out with

Number None, Monday, 31 October 2016 23:54 (four years ago) link

also Dolores' glitching is consistent w/ her scenes with Wright and Hopkins

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 00:02 (four years ago) link

Seemed odd that Dolores had interacted with Arnold 35 years earlier. Would have thought technology would have moved faster than that and the idea of continuance of memory wouldn't continue from unit to replacement.

Also wondered about weight of a unit/robot. Presumably has to feel close to human for a pleasure unit to feel right.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 00:24 (four years ago) link

Haven't seen the show or checked in with this thread, but thinking of diving in and watching. How's it holding up so far? Promising? House of cards?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 01:02 (four years ago) link

OK, episode one was pretty good, especially from a storytelling standpoint. Some of the (over) acting, especially of the humans, was questionable, and dialogue was dubious, but it's already pretty rich and deep and can go all sorts of places beyond its Blade Runner origins. Looking forward to episode two!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 02:51 (four years ago) link

Keep it up! It gets really good in four and five

ELECTION (no comey I) (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 02:52 (four years ago) link

Seems like there's a good chance this series will become Lost after a while and stop making any kind of coherent sense whatsoever.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 02:59 (four years ago) link

I thought you were my friend.

ELECTION (no comey I) (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 03:17 (four years ago) link

People once thought a ship made of iron would sink, so I could be wrong about this.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 03:23 (four years ago) link

no doubt in my mind a series brought to you by the brain of jonathan nolan is going to turn into some bullshit before long

qualx, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 03:31 (four years ago) link

This is really addictive but not exactly satisfying so far. Hoping it learned some lessons on how NOT to do things from LOST. Will keep watching. Definitely a lot of potential.

circa1916, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 04:40 (four years ago) link

a lot of this is v on-the-nose and i understand why ppl wouldn't like it but the obviousness doesn't bother me the tone is v evocative and the whole simulacra somehow turns out to have not entirely lost its appeal to me

Mordy, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 05:53 (four years ago) link

I assumed with the park being an ongoing business that the robots wouldn't be that massively old so wondering how Dolores can have interacted with Arnold 3 decades earlier. Had thought the robots were about 10 years old at oldest and still then surprised taht robotic technology wouldn't be in a constant flux of updates. Also not sure to what extent an individual unit is being updated instead of totally replaced. I know that several different stories have been programmed into them over time but not sure about length of time. 35 years does seem longer than i would have thought for a working piece of technology to be kept going. Would think that there would need to be standards kept up for any public entertainment/interaction with technology with frequent inspections and insurance requirements etc.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 09:50 (four years ago) link

Has there been speculation that there's more than one Dolores? One out there in the park being menaced by guys in hats, and another having deep conversations at HQ?

She sees herself in the Day of the Dead parade, or was that a hallucination like in the Tarot card scene. Lawrence seems to have been fixed so fast I thought maybe they have two Lawrences. Maeve appears to be on the repair table twice, a few minutes apart.

But on the other hand Bernard tells "his" conversation-Dolores that she needs to get back before she's missed.

Maybe we're meant to wonder exactly this. Maybe there will be a big reveal of an entire warehouse of Doloreses.

so so soviet (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 11:50 (four years ago) link

If there is more than one Dolores are they sharing memory/consciousness? Still not fully getting to waht level any of these things has an identity.

Was Dolores in parade a glitch memory of an earlier event?
& is everything on soe form of loop anyway. Or was that some brand new story.

Very weird if it is just a bunch of entities on some form of performance loop or at least one with restricted variables responding to being brought together. There is a high level of surveillance but is everything running on the idea of if certain criteria met then follow this path of behaviour until next criteria is met near binary programming. Not sure to what extent the moderators are hands on.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 12:45 (four years ago) link

Yeah I think by "loop," Dolores more or less just comes out of the store and drops the condensed milk every X days, unless something happens to disrupt that loop (whether a guest intervention or a ripple from some other event). Then she has to go with the flow of that disruption. I gather that in normal operation (pre-episode 1) this was working fine, with the handlers only intervening occasionally. The reason the series focuses on the "now is the time when things start to go wornggg" is that it's more interesting than smooth sailing.

Nobody ever made a TV show called "everything is fine and everyone is making good decisions."

(Though I confess I'd probably watch a show like that, I know no one will make it, wah.)

so so soviet (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 13:10 (four years ago) link

i'd probably watch a show that was just guests fucking around in the park tbh. ultimate Let's Play.

circa1916, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 13:23 (four years ago) link

Dollhouse was the same way. There were interesting bits of problem-solving and each mission was its own little world; that was plenty diverting enough for a half-dozen episodes in the mode of a procedural. But of course, to generate the overarching conflict narrative they always hurry to introduce the equivalent of OMG-the-AI-has-achieved-consciousness, OMG-the-robots-are-developing-autonomy.

Same storytelling formula shapes almost every sci-fi thing, because television is a perpetual motion machine and no one can ever just be happy and nothing can just keep going. You're not going to see Romeo and Juliet living in a nice brick house with some cute kids.

so so soviet (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 13:35 (four years ago) link

In the first episode they imply management has much grander ambitions than entertainment. I assume this is explored?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 13:40 (four years ago) link

season 2 a robot runs for president

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 14:44 (four years ago) link

the twist: the other candidate is also a robot

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 14:45 (four years ago) link

don't blame me, I voted for the good robot

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 14:46 (four years ago) link

This is really addictive but not exactly satisfying so far. Hoping it learned some lessons on how NOT to do things from LOST. Will keep watching. Definitely a lot of potential.

― circa1916, Monday, October 31, 2016

Yeah it's all very *hmm mysterious* but 5 eps in there's still very little sense of goals or stakes. Nothing we're hoping for on a character's behalf, nothing that could be snatched away to dash those hopes... Establishing stakes and objectives and honest to god characters was something that LOST actually did quite effectively right from the start.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:42 (four years ago) link

Just watched first ep of this. Cannot WAIT for the rest. In it converge many of my wheelhouse genres: wake up / start again movies like Run Lola Run, Edge of Tomorrow etc; the pathos of sentient AI a la Akta Manniskor i.e. Humans; and just general pulp SF and OH MAN is this some pulp. I like how almost every line of dialogue between Birgitte and the storyline guy has a gratuitous "fucking" in there. "There's someone on the FUCKING phone for you." None of the setup around the company who makes Westworld is believable in the slightest - yes, sure, you have horses walking around on immaculately vacuumed, spotlit carpets, you have principals taking enormous, company-risking decisions on a whim - Jeffrey Wright is terrible and his character appears to be an idiot - but all of it somehow doesn't dent my fondness for it. Probably because all the "in-world" stuff is so delicious, Ed Harris is fantastic (and tho I haven't seen E2 yet he seems like an obvious candidate to be the actual good guy?). I mean in REALITY (??) obviously the factory cranking out people/horses etc is piling them up in musty, sawdust-covered outbuildings like cordwood, rather than placing them delicately on wheeled stools in moodily-lit antechambers. I guess that's "atmosphere". Anyway I'd expire of happiness to see an Akta Manniskor crossover episode. Get Thandie Newton in one of these:

http://skreened.com/render-product/n/o/j/nojnawzsyazafagagqdc/image.skreened-t-shirt.camo-green.w460h520b3z1.jpg

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 16:55 (four years ago) link

In the 2nd ep we learn that Thandie's bot is getting long in the tooth, can't keep up. Ominously, her guest satisfaction metrics are down. The "assholes in Narrative" made her more aggressive, but our young troubleshooter says all Thandie needs is to be more in sync with the guests, more aware of their desires. Well yes, but - how? A number of plots suggest themselves - can Thandie be made to figure out this sort of thing on her own? Can she be taught it? Will she fail, and take out her frustrations on her masters? But the troubleshooter just goes "bump up her acuity and perception by 1.5" - oh well that was easy. Westworld is RIDDLED with moments like this. Constantly fumbling around with the basic rules of itself.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:45 (four years ago) link

idk I think the main conflict there actually is "can she start to do things outside the confines of the park before her performance is so bad they just shelve her"

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:47 (four years ago) link

xpost to Tracer, yeah, basically my thoughts exactly after the first ep. It's such a rich concept that there are a lot of places it can go, despite the (inevitable) shitty stuff getting in the way of telling a good story. Not least on that front the notion this can sustain a multi-season arc, but whatevs, maybe it can, let's see where it's going.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 17:55 (four years ago) link

mh I don't think I've gotten that far yet

Basically everything "in-world" is terrific and the rest of it is basically there for me to wonder who is going to have sex with who, next

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:27 (four years ago) link

Hahaha lol is anyone actually as potty-mouthed as the company employees are on this show? (Apart from 11-year-olds away at summer camp, that is?)

"We'll be fucked if these poor assholes ever learn how to fucking dream"

Alright alright, easy fella..

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:32 (four years ago) link

depends on the job and workplace

I usually only talk like that around my family, eh

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 18:50 (four years ago) link

OK I'm bingeing this

I wish they'd GET ON with Ed Harris and His Deal! Maybe i'm spoiled by this modern golden era of Too Much Story but this dutiful checking in with each member of the cast.. pushing each one ahead two spaces... is making me antsy. It's like a Parcheesi player who gets all his pieces out right away and makes them each take turns advancing toward home. (I feel this way about The Water Knife too, which I'm reading right now) Sometimes you just gotta TAKE A PIECE ALL THE WAY!

Also.. what about these storylines? These "subtleties" that make people come back again and again? What stories do we actual see? We knows there's whores OK, there's alcohol, there's bounties, some gunfights... and that's it! It's as if they'd taken the already cartoonishly foreshortened collection of wild west activities in Red Dead Redemption and made it even less varied.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 20:27 (four years ago) link

it's a spaghetti western with robots you can fuck i mean

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 20:31 (four years ago) link

xpost Water Knife is awesome, would make a great HBO series.

The first episode had a family on a family adventure. Does this come up more, kids in the park? Anyway, the storyline stuff is just lazy writer shorthand I think for their programming, because yeah, if the "story" is you just head into the hills and shoot a bad guy, or listen to/repeat the same dialogue again and again, how often would you want to pay for that? (Obviously Ed Harris for one has something else in mind.) Though is Disneyworld any less "scripted," in a sense? Regardless, no wonder Crichton went with dinosaurs in Jurassic Park, because a zoo where wild animals and instinct and random chaos leads to disaster takes less set-up and thinking.

And yeah, the gratuitous profanity was like watching (listening to?) some bad English as a second language b-movie where in lieu of good dialogue they just sprinkle in a lot of tough guy/gal cursing. But still, I'm cool with the premise so far. The robot stuff is spooky and haunting, but I'm a sucker for that. (Ex-Machina was robbed of ... something. People taking it seriously?)

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 20:42 (four years ago) link

xpost Sorry I don't mean in the show; I mean in the park they've built. I don't see the evidence of what Hopkins was saying to hotshot narrative douche-bloke.

I love the fact that nobody at the company seems to have the slightest clue how anything works, the entire enterprise with all its risk and danger and complexity is "one line of code" away from wreaking all havoc on everyone

NB The most generous spin I can put on the effacing of race politics in the park is that OF COURSE they'd whitewash historical race politics in a game for the idle rich

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 20:51 (four years ago) link

-- START LOOP 1 --

Jeffrey Beardbreath: "Sir, the hosts have been remembering fragments from previous loops"

Anthony Oldman: "Yes.. well... keep me up to date on that"

Birgitte Danesker: "Jeffrey you'd better get your fucking shit straight, you ass-hole!"

Jeffrey: "Give me a break mom"

Ed Harris kills someone else

-- END LOOP 1 --

etc

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 20:57 (four years ago) link

Speaking of the idle rich, an inordinate number of them appear to not be interested in playing any sort of game or immersing themselves in any sort of past or story, they just want to walk into the Mariposa bar and start slaughtering strangers pell-mell which seems like.. I dunno not the most interesting way to blow 20 Gs

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 21:05 (four years ago) link

i'm saying

goole, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 21:14 (four years ago) link

Is everyone on ludes on this show? I swear to god somebody could tell Jeffrey/Bernard his house was on fire and he'd be like "interesting"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 21:20 (four years ago) link

feel like they've written all the office people to talk as if they're holding back some secret about what they're up to but haven't figured out what that is yet.

goole, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 21:22 (four years ago) link

Blond tattoo badass is the greatest

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 21:36 (four years ago) link

well I figured the dark secret was that they fuck the robots but that's apparently not allowed for the most part

lol at robot corpsefucker guy

mh 😏, Tuesday, 1 November 2016 21:43 (four years ago) link

Odd choice to use the full Gran Turismo V opening credits for each episode but I guess it works?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 November 2016 22:08 (four years ago) link

Seems to have found its feet but I better not have to wait around another 3 or 4 goddamn episodes to find out what that map is

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 00:03 (four years ago) link

Yeah the opening credits sequence is really shit, especially considering the amount of time they have been pissing about with this project for.

calzino, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 00:20 (four years ago) link

sorry to be dimm but how did Dolores find the gun in the dirt.. and then in her drawer (which it instantly disappeared from).. and then in the haystack?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 00:30 (four years ago) link

Some people like to keep a gun hidden in every room

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 00:41 (four years ago) link

When she finds the gun it's evident that she's hearing a voice in her head telling her where to look. At that point we may suspect it's Bernard's voice; we are later led to believe it's Arnold's. But it can't have been buried by Arnold - it was just in the dirt and not wrapped in anything (which would be bad for a gun in any case, but it certainly wasn't there for 34 years). Perhaps Ford or Bernard planted it there.

It does seem to disappear in the drawer, and it definitely appears suddenly in her hand in the barn. She didn't draw it from a pocket or root around in the hay. I'm not sure about this, but it may also be the gun that happens to be in her hand quite suddenly in Pariah when she and William are escaping from the Confederados.

One explanation: Ford, at least, can freeze hosts. Maybe someone paused the action, buried the gun. Later, that someone paused Dolores to remove it from the drawer. Then later paused the action and placed the gun in her hand so that she could shoot whatsisface.

I hope the Russians carve their pumpkins too (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 02:24 (four years ago) link

I just want to say I love the opening titles

I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 10:11 (four years ago) link

Maybe they'll do more with this later but... For a park in which robot sex is such a major selling point you'd think there'd be some fantasy option in-between having sex with prostitutes (which is probably something these rich guys do in the real world already) and raping a ranch maiden.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 12:41 (four years ago) link

There is: they can bonk the blonde who meets William at the train and shows him the wardrobe room.

I hope the Russians carve their pumpkins too (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 12:43 (four years ago) link

I agree that the scarcity of women other than hos is noticeable, but then that may have been true of yr Old West as well.

I hope the Russians carve their pumpkins too (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 12:45 (four years ago) link

don't forget the, er, "varied" (t0tes boring) delights of Pariah

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 13:29 (four years ago) link

all the imaginative shortcomings of the park i chalk up to shortcomings of the clientele: they have focus-grouped the shit out of this place and yes, that is in fact the only sort of desired sex that is statistically significant

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 13:31 (four years ago) link

by the way, anybody else slightly dreading meeting "the board"?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 13:31 (four years ago) link

I think it's more likely that the producers, having set themselves up for the parcheesi strategy narrative you described above, don't have time to introduce other imaginative sexy stuff that isn't part of the stories we're already following. There's not that much time to do world-building with other guests in the park, like "Marti" the gunslinger lady in Ep 3 or the family in Ep 1, the drunk guy who shoots Teddy in Ep 4 or the dorks who approach the MIB in Ep 5 (I think)

ELECTION (no comey I) (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 14:57 (four years ago) link

There was one lady guest in an early episode that went off with a hostess. & there seemed to be others on the train.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 15:09 (four years ago) link

I wonder how long William and Logan are gonna be there for. Other guests seem to do like a weekend or a few days and then get back to their lives (presumably fairly busy, because rich). If they're an Executive VP and part-owner of a thriving business, their storyline can't last multiple seasons. Ed in Black supposedly has an active foundation and presumably a profit-making business of some sort, yet he's spent most of his time for 30 years wearing a fucking cowboy hat and carving up robots for fun.

I hope the Russians carve their pumpkins too (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 15:24 (four years ago) link

We watched "The Truman Show" the other week with the kids, and something occurred to me. Truman starts getting suspicious when things start going wrong in his simulated world, but ... who the fuck would watch a 24/7 hugely rated reality show where nothing ever changes, and everything/everyone is more or less the same day in, day out? That's the dead-end of a "scripted" (within the show) WestWorld: a park like that would only be appealing, not just for repeat business but also first-timers, if things went off-script and allowed for surprises at least once in a while. Otherwise it might as well be the "Pirates of the Caribbean" ride. (Insert "Jurassic Park" quote here.)

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 15:42 (four years ago) link

Truman Show was good in first season

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 15:45 (four years ago) link

when it was called "Baby Cam" and everyone felt really bad about themselves for watching

I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 15:46 (four years ago) link

when dolores finds the gun in the dirt, then in her drawer, etc., i am pretty sure she is remembering finding the gun there in the past.

homosexual II, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 16:24 (four years ago) link

the dead-end of a "scripted" (within the show) WestWorld: a park like that would only be appealing, not just for repeat business but also first-timers, if things went off-script and allowed for surprises at least once in a while. Otherwise it might as well be the "Pirates of the Caribbean" ride

Yeah but you can't fuck the pirates of the Caribbean

Rob Boss (latebloomer), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 16:43 (four years ago) link

Not officially anyway

Rob Boss (latebloomer), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 16:44 (four years ago) link

Disneyworld: After Hours.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 17:10 (four years ago) link

Anyway, that gets back to the aforementioned sticking point that the only reason someone would presumably prefer a lifelike robot prostitute to a real prostitute is that they can kill and abuse them. But it's crazy to think WestWorld is a park that courts families but look out, don't cross the river, that is where rich psychopaths fuck and torture and kill hookers, like, I dunno, the "Hostel" films. For that matter, why the hell would families with kids even give a shit about WestWorld? Why would a kid give a crap if there were lifelike robots and fake horses walking around acting all wild west, which is as easy to simulate in the real world as, well, they do on the show? Save the cash and go to some living farm or colonial Williamsburg or something.

Hmm, wonder if I'm soon going to have more problems with this show than I first assumed. I'll give it a couple more eps, for sure.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 17:16 (four years ago) link

We don't know what the real world is like yet. Obviously despite massive advances in medicine, children still die. People still smoke and drink. There is VR, so not only could people go to a Colonial Williamsburg, they could go on the holodeck, but they still choose Delos Destinations, and sometimes the kids come along. Vegas.

If the "real world" has effectively cured all disease, what did Ed in Black's foundation save that dweeb's sister's life from?

ELECTION (no comey I) (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 17:45 (four years ago) link

children still die

at least in robo-backstories they do

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 17:50 (four years ago) link

Bernard's roboticalness is totally a red herring you guys

ELECTION (no comey I) (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 17:59 (four years ago) link

Maybe the world is all run by humans, and this whole simulation is a way for them to study human behavior!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 18:02 (four years ago) link

The big reveal is that the hosts were the real humans all along, and the HQ/processing/behavior control stuff was the simulation. Bernard and Ford and Elsie and them were the 'bots. Guests paid to be minor functionaries in the storyline of the unraveling of a purported robot theme park that is simultaneously being filmed for an elaborate reality show that has the premise "what if there were a wild west theme park staffed by androids."

But that's a false ending and it's actually all been engineered by hyperintelligent and insanely wealthy horses, who view it as a fun vacation because they're ironically nostalgic for the time in which horsekind was enslaved. You know, those quaintly barbaric times prior to the Equine Revolutions of 2092.

pumpkin spice was the Spice Girl who died suspiciously (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 18:06 (four years ago) link

Maybe they are all robots programmed by super smart horses to think they're humans who are actually robots, coerced by implant or false instinct to build this elaborate theme park under the guise of it being for the "humans" when in fact it's for their benefit of the horses, who wanted a wild west town to run around in "like the good old days," before they were supplanted by cars, but lacked the thumbs and tools to get such a thing built.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 18:12 (four years ago) link

super smart horses

These are really just a few cats taped together

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 2 November 2016 18:22 (four years ago) link

They still need someone to do the coding for them, hence the robot people.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 November 2016 19:00 (four years ago) link

I have binge watched this and it's really catchy (although I could do with less violence, especially Harris : could someone take away his crazy knife !?).
the Lost parallel seems obvious, especially with the hatch/maze and suggested upthread, I suppose what's left of Arnold will be there (re-incarnated in a cyborg or something).
also, I don't think there's been a discussion about the idea that he or some hosts plan to destroy the park or something (I think it was said in the latest ep) ?
as for wyatt, it's not clear who/what he is but apparently he's a guest as he and his gang couldn't be shot by the hosts when they attacked them. but it's weird since it's Anthony Hopkins who apparently added this story in Marsden's program...
and about the park HQ controlling everything, beside the fact they didn't notice the drawings, as noted, apparently, they didn't notice the change in Dolores being able to shoot/kill other hosts (including a fly !) although the boss of HQ said she wanted to have a report on anything different...
anyway, so many questions...

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 3 November 2016 13:16 (four years ago) link

homosexual II, you're right, it's actually much more plausible that (over the course of several loops) someone put the gun where she'd find it, let her hide it in the drawer, then removed it from the drawer and put it in the hay.

OTOH there's a part of me that wants to see this series reimagined in Colonial Williamfburg. You get a powdered wig and a musket, and you can either fuck a tavern wench or flirt with treason against the Crown whilst debating molasses imports in the House of Burgesses.

As a young Virginian I heard Colonial Williamsburg was hiring for a town drunk, and I thought: I've found my life's ambition. But it was not to be, alas.

pumpkin spice was the Spice Girl who died suspiciously (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 3 November 2016 15:37 (four years ago) link

Soderbergh is (maybe) making the Sot-Weed Factor as a 12-parter :D

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 3 November 2016 15:46 (four years ago) link

I think it's amazing how watchable this show is despite having practically zero plot or compelling characters

I know hoes that know Ali Farka Toure (voodoo chili), Thursday, 3 November 2016 19:22 (four years ago) link

Haha yes

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 3 November 2016 21:01 (four years ago) link

indeed !
although I guess you're supposed to like Bernard (lost his son, tries to free/raise Dolores, seems to be a decent person...) and maybe Dork (facing his evil bro in law, saving the damsel in distress...).
but they're both so boring !
then there's Dolores who seems to be at the center of the story.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 11:28 (four years ago) link

and regarding the character you have to hate, it's obviously between Logan and MIB !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 11:29 (four years ago) link

Maybe you are supposed to like Bernard but in the context of a theme park where robot sex abuse is thoroughly 'OK' it is more than a little creepy that every time he does a deep dive into Dolores' psyche he always forbids her from telling anyone about it. 'Let's just keep this between you and me' gggghhhuuu

Speaking of which, it is a little weird how paranoid Bernard is about her telling anyone. She's a robot. If he says 'don't tell anyone' she won't. There isn't any grey area. So why's he so worried about it?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 November 2016 11:41 (four years ago) link

yeah. and it's not even like there's something really wrong in their conversations which would make it scandalous if anyone else knew.
I mean, it's not very different from what Ford does "officially" with various hosts.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 11:51 (four years ago) link

Good point!

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 November 2016 11:53 (four years ago) link

Dystopias be needing a Chosen Damsel, with a hidden nougaty center of badassness.

Anybody who knows their Shailene Woodley from their Hailee Steinfeld knows this. Dolores, Katniss, Bella from Twilight, whatserface from Divergent, River Tam.

Do I need to point out that the given name of the title character in Lolita is Dolores?

Arnold, Ford, Bernard, Ed in Black, and William McDork are all creeping on Dolores and projecting their own personal bullshit on her, almost bukkake-style. Ick.

pumpkin spice was the Spice Girl who died suspiciously (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 November 2016 12:28 (four years ago) link

I feel like they could be quietly phasing out that Bernard guy, like he could just not be in any more episodes and nobody would care. Borgen too - was she even in this last episode? Feel like I haven't seen her since her dinner with Hopkins in the holodeck or whatever that was, but I haven't really been paying too much attention. Did evil BiL expect there to be actual nitroglycerin in a theme park ride? idk this show is dumb as shit, unless at some point a character says "this narrative is dumb as shit", in which case it's TOTALLY CLEVER

did we ever get wizz sorted (wins), Friday, 4 November 2016 13:37 (four years ago) link

ahah. I hadn't even thought about the obvious reason for fake nitro ! that said, MIB did have some explosives (which required an authorization from HQ... so I guess it wasn't REAL explosives ?).

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:13 (four years ago) link

also, what made MIB realize Lawrence was useless finally, after dragging him along for so long ?

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:15 (four years ago) link

bc he saw teddy who was an obv NPC upgrade

Mordy, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:25 (four years ago) link

Originally MiB was amusing himself by sadistically torturing Lawrence; clearly he's interacted with him before. When the daughter provided clues about the maze, MiB may have figured he was on the right track. He used Lawrence's blood to revive Teddy (rather than waiting for the staff to fix him up and send him back out). That would have reset the storyline, I guess, which MiB would not have wanted to wait through now that he is on the scent of the maze. Sidenote: are all hosts the same blood type? Inquiring minds want to know.

pumpkin spice was the Spice Girl who died suspiciously (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 November 2016 14:43 (four years ago) link

Speaking of which, it is a little weird how paranoid Bernard is about her telling anyone. She's a robot. If he says 'don't tell anyone' she won't. There isn't any grey area. So why's he so worried about it?

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, November 4, 2016 6:41 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he could be suspicious that a) the bots are able to communicate/infect each other with ideas inadvertently (a concept which the show seems to have left alone for a couple episodes now? after thandie got it?) or

b) some other person, staff or not, could be talking to her or running code on her or w/e

idk if the show is meant to be clear about this, but i think the bots recognize the corporate hierarchy? they respond to hopkins like he's some kind of wizard, but the rest of them have to have these clunky formal conversations.

goole, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:51 (four years ago) link

Well, from what I understood, initially, MIB went after Lawrence for a very specific reason, after scalping the indian. Obviously he knew Lawrence had something special regarding the maze, it wasn't just about the simple pleasure of torturing (what an interesting sentence !).
This is why I wonder why he suddenly decided he didn't need him anymore (although he still kept him with him even after his daughter gave him some info about the maze). I don't remember clearly the scene when he sends the boy for some water cos he decided to kill Lawrence to save Teddy. I missed a detail, I guess.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:52 (four years ago) link

Do u think the presumably very educated and expensive robot experts who have to rebuild the murdered robots at the end of the day also have to clean the ~body fluids~ out of them, or are there lower paid/more downtrodden employees who do this off-screen before that

it is strange how everyone in this show is either a dumbass or a robot, but maybe after six anxiety-inducing seasons of Game of Thrones it's nice to just watch some idiots hurtle towards catastrophe without having any other stake in it idk

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Friday, 4 November 2016 14:54 (four years ago) link

xp Dolores has been shown to be able to lie to Bernard

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Friday, 4 November 2016 14:56 (four years ago) link

xxposts : eheh, yeah I thought about the blood type issue too but forgetting they're robots I just thought "that's pretty silly, how does he know they're the same blood type..." !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:58 (four years ago) link

well, about the lying thing, clearly, if she can lie to other people because he asks her to, she obviously can lie to him if someone else - Ford or.. Arnold - asks her to !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 15:02 (four years ago) link

Had thought the robots were about 10 years old at oldest and still then surprised taht robotic technology wouldn't be in a constant flux of updates.

i think the answer to this was alluded to in the latest episode: when MIB mentioned that he opened up a host and it was beautiful inside. he was disappointed when they decided to go with the human-like technology for the hosts. it would seem that robotics technology continues to evolve and improve while human-bio-robotics has been perfected

bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Friday, 4 November 2016 15:16 (four years ago) link

also makes me wonder that if the human-bio-robotics is a perfect facsimile, then maybe the programming tech could be used on actual humans too?

bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Friday, 4 November 2016 15:18 (four years ago) link

Would be surprised if anything was ever permanently perfected. Thought everything was open to improvement unless laws and strictures were passed preventing it.

Stevolende, Friday, 4 November 2016 15:25 (four years ago) link

also makes me wonder that if the human-bio-robotics is a perfect facsimile, then maybe the programming tech could be used on actual humans too?

isn't it what the tech guy trying to revive the bird is all about ?

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 15:31 (four years ago) link

Wait, does Dolores lie to Bernard?

As I recall it, she lied to Ford - that is, she told Ford she hasn't spoken to Arnold in 34 years. Then she said something to the air along the lines of "I didn't tell him anything; he doesn't suspect."

What I take from this is that Arnold, before dying, conferred immortality upon himself by effectively uploading his brain into the cloud. He transferred his consciousness into the host-hivemind so that he can continue to manipulate events from beyond the grave. Arnold knew that the corporation would keep retiring and replacing individual 'bots, so he knew he wouldn't be able to live on if he only infected one host.

Note that Dolores is one of the oldest, but her original daddy had also been pretty well-used, in a variety of storylines. So he'd be a very good vector for transmission of the Arnoldvirus. Arnold MADE HIMSELF CONTAGIOUS, y'all.

pumpkin spice was the Spice Girl who died suspiciously (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 November 2016 15:41 (four years ago) link

oh wait, I think you're right, she lied to Ford, not to Bernard.

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 15:46 (four years ago) link

A friend of mine is very hyped about the "Ed Harris and dork guy are the same person" theory, citing Lawrence popping up very quickly and far away for the dork's story 'after' being killed by Harris. also Harris talking about how he saved the company at some point in the past (which i don't fully remember), and the brother-in-law talking about getting in on the company 'now'. i was not convinced, but it's looking more likely?

also i do not know anyone's character name in this show except for Dolores, had to look up the wiki when you all were talking about "Ford" and "Logan".

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Friday, 4 November 2016 16:14 (four years ago) link

regarding names, same here : I had to look up on hbo's website first !
as for MIB being the dork, I doubt it (unless they change the latter's character dramatically in the next episodes/seasons). at this point I have a hard time imagining him raping Dolores (even if it's years later) !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 4 November 2016 16:26 (four years ago) link

also i do not know anyone's character name in this show except for Dolores, had to look up the wiki when you all were talking about "Ford" and "Logan".

lol ikr

did we ever get wizz sorted (wins), Friday, 4 November 2016 16:28 (four years ago) link

if ed harris = dork and this show is taking place in 2 periods decades apart i am officially out, fuck that

goole, Friday, 4 November 2016 16:28 (four years ago) link

isn't it what the tech guy trying to revive the bird is all about ?

yeah that's what i was thinking

bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Friday, 4 November 2016 16:31 (four years ago) link

If anybody is the same guy as another guy, look at Knee-Pants Kid, not the adults.

Knee-Pants Kid is either a simulacrum of Young Ford or of Arnold

pumpkin spice was the Spice Girl who died suspiciously (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 4 November 2016 16:45 (four years ago) link

if ed harris = dork and this show is taking place in 2 periods decades apart i am officially out, fuck that

pretty sure this isn't the case

I'll see this to the end but I'll be very surprised at myself if I bother to look at a second season

if ed harris = dork and this show is taking place in 2 periods decades apart i am officially out, fuck that

did we ever get wizz sorted (wins), Friday, 4 November 2016 16:46 (four years ago) link

woah glitch in the matrix

did we ever get wizz sorted (wins), Friday, 4 November 2016 16:47 (four years ago) link

I said Bernard when I meant Ford earlier

but the fact that she said "he doesn't know" in reference to Ford suggestss Bernard's "have you ever lied to me/don't tell anybody about this" stuff isn't going to do him much good either

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Friday, 4 November 2016 16:48 (four years ago) link

I dunno about Ed Harris/dork being the same guy but those stories are definitely taking place in two different time periods

Rob Boss (latebloomer), Friday, 4 November 2016 17:16 (four years ago) link

we do not see the MIB rape dolores. We see him get out a knife. I am pretty sure he was modifying her or something, or checking for maze clues.

homosexual II, Friday, 4 November 2016 17:22 (four years ago) link

those stories are definitely taking place in two different time periods

different days or weeks maybe? the daily resetting of the bots gives them a lot of outs on this...

my basic assumption is that like vg npcs the bots have short hourly/daily routines but if a guest gets involved with them in a longer narrative then they go off on that for the duration.

i haven't really put together what happened with 'lawrence' tho, seeing him pop up in badguytown read like it was meant to mean something but idgi

goole, Friday, 4 November 2016 18:57 (four years ago) link

I had thought that was just pre-hanging Lawrence? Earlier in his routine before he'd been caught by the law? No? Keep in mind it was like 1am and I had imbibed a fair bit

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 November 2016 19:15 (four years ago) link

Like, Lawrence gets Mad-Maxed for his blood, the park crew comes and fixes him up and then sets him back at the beginning of his loop, then our heroes run into him

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 November 2016 19:17 (four years ago) link

those stories are definitely taking place in two different time periods

They have set up enough things so that if McPoyle does turn out be young MIB it won't be a shock: MIB having familiarity with the robots we see McPoyle interacting with, McPoyle learning that WW may be going under financially/MIB being given anything he wants (investor who saved the park?)

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 4 November 2016 19:27 (four years ago) link

this neatly sums up the evidence for multiple timelines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLli7Gc1ZBU

in any case, the show is definitely going out of its way to misdirect the viewer.

Rob Boss (latebloomer), Friday, 4 November 2016 20:03 (four years ago) link

man i have some kind of allergy to ropy-ass theorizing and the marshaling of 'evidence' thereto. a mystery is a different thing than doing a puzzle!

goole, Friday, 4 November 2016 20:09 (four years ago) link

try being into twin peaks rn :-/

did we ever get wizz sorted (wins), Friday, 4 November 2016 20:34 (four years ago) link

Is it misdirecting or just leaving everything vague, a la Stranger Things, which ended its first season with a "well, that happened" indifference.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 November 2016 20:47 (four years ago) link

Eh for better or worse this show seems to be a puzzle box/theory-generating machine by design so AFAIC it's fair game to over-analyze and speculate about it.

Rob Boss (latebloomer), Friday, 4 November 2016 21:04 (four years ago) link

re:misdirection: well, having Dolores fall into McPoyle's camp seemingly as a result of some recently recovered memory or whatever made it seem like the two stories were happening concurrently, but that could be some fucking-around-with-us stuff

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 4 November 2016 21:06 (four years ago) link

yes i think you're right, don't mean to sound snappish

my preferred mode of engagement is to let those kind of thoughts spin out in the moment in a cloud of wonder and not commit them to youtube

goole, Friday, 4 November 2016 21:07 (four years ago) link

I prefer to swish an ep around in my mouth for a few seconds and then spit it out into a cup

Rob Boss (latebloomer), Friday, 4 November 2016 21:22 (four years ago) link

spreading the resultant paste, etc

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 4 November 2016 22:15 (four years ago) link

I'm liking this series precisely for the fact that it is, for once, NOT driven by the "what happens next" strategy of engagement. It's actually a show that stays focused on its big ideas, themes, and a willingness to own up to its own artifice. It does a good job of being frank about the fact that its drama is all manufactured and manipulated, yet showing how the viewers of the show (us )are willing, like the "guests" in the simulation to be swept up in its fiction. It's a meta narrative about narrative. Like Blade Runner, it uses the idea of artificial people to bring virtual reality (virtual experience) into the physical world. And like any good story about virtual reality, it reminds us how much we define our own lives by self-imposed beliefs and arbitrary rules. So far, good stuff.

Thoughts on Fiction

Peter Chung, Monday, 7 November 2016 02:25 (four years ago) link

Why don't the cartoon cat brothers just dial Maeve down to stupid obedience town when they have the controls right there? I can tolerate / justify a LOT of plot holes in my speculative fiction teevee, but seriously, if you got privs, just make her dumb again! Was this explained earlier and I didn't catch it?

ELECTION (no comey I) (El Tomboto), Monday, 7 November 2016 03:28 (four years ago) link

they're dumb fuck-ups

Mordy, Monday, 7 November 2016 03:32 (four years ago) link

^^^was wondering the same thing

also, why was she naked again?? also also if she was in a position to make demands, why didn't she just demand they max out her stats across the board

xp

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 7 November 2016 03:35 (four years ago) link

they told her she could be anything she wanted, so she became....really excellent at bulk apperception but not like hand to hand combat, cmon maeve

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 7 November 2016 03:37 (four years ago) link

wonder if she'll find out that bulk apperception is a blessing + a curse when she starts taking zoloft to deal w/ her existential crisis induced dyspnea

Mordy, Monday, 7 November 2016 03:39 (four years ago) link

dear god if I ever wake up on a table with those two I'ma be like DIAL ME BACK DOWN TO CLETUS

ELECTION (no comey I) (El Tomboto), Monday, 7 November 2016 03:54 (four years ago) link

*Spoiler*Guys I got an advance copy of next week's ep and you won't believe the identity of "Arnold":

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d9/2b/a4/d92ba4064b56613cf7c609ba36d873d8.jpg

Rob Boss (latebloomer), Monday, 7 November 2016 04:42 (four years ago) link

i checked out on this episode. the moment of the whiny writer picking up the guest was the sloppiest hackiest writing i've seen in an HBO show like ever. couldn't get thru it. i'll probably go back but eh.

goole, Monday, 7 November 2016 17:19 (four years ago) link

bu then it turns out she's not a guest right?

Mordy, Monday, 7 November 2016 17:24 (four years ago) link

idk man i turned it off!

goole, Monday, 7 November 2016 17:51 (four years ago) link

well so you missed the payoff! (i mean it wasn't much of a payoff but maybe not quite as bad as drunken scripter hits on cute guest)

Mordy, Monday, 7 November 2016 18:16 (four years ago) link

the actor is so bad he makes the whole scene bad; i don't really think it was the writing

just going to discreetly mention that peter chung up there ^ is the creator and director of Aeon Flux icymi

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 8 November 2016 00:35 (four years ago) link

i don't know why, but no matter how bad the acting is, or how obviously the characters get pushed around like chess pieces, i don't mind. there's something earnest and generous and sprawling about the show; it is Going For It, hurtling forward with conviction to god knows where. but probably my good faith is ultimately secured by a few really unshakeably great actors - thandie newton, ed harris. they keep me grounded, they keep the whole thing from flying away.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 8 November 2016 00:41 (four years ago) link

i liked seeing the resort/bar area of the park

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 00:55 (four years ago) link

No one noticed the Yul Brynner model on the Lower level?

calstars, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 01:38 (four years ago) link

Thumbs in pockets etc

calstars, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 01:38 (four years ago) link

beyond the "Motion Picture Soundtrack" sequence I found this one a snooze

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 8 November 2016 01:43 (four years ago) link

No one noticed the Yul Brynner model on the Lower level?

― calstars, Monday, November 7, 2016 7:38 PM (seven minutes ago)

Yes, loved this.

aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Tuesday, 8 November 2016 01:46 (four years ago) link

I thought I saw a Marti the female gunslinger model too. Thought she was a guest.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 07:08 (four years ago) link

unexpectedly fun episode imo. p okay with it being portentous nonsense on rails if it keeps up at this silly clip

r|t|c, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 10:50 (four years ago) link

guessing/hoping it's the securitybro that grabs her at the end and they can resume being xander and riley

r|t|c, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 10:51 (four years ago) link

Does all the surface apparent vastness of the park have sub levels to it? I was surprised by Bernard being able to take a lift into the place where he found the family. Since I thought it was way away from where other events were happening.
Not sure how centralised the maintenance area where they're fixing broken robots is , seemed to be a single multilevel building from what i've seen elsewhere. Including the trip that Tandie Newton took with the tech guy.

Also I thought the bird thing was a robot but one that the tech didn't have direct permission to be working on. & it seemed that protocol was to stick as close to documented procedure as possible. Since he was working on his own projects in company time he was going against the protocol. But I guess it was only to herald the idea that this was going to be the guy that could be manipulated into upgrading Tandie against protocol.

& the bird and teh pleasure droids have had me wondering how heavy an individual unit is. Would think that making a machine taht was capable of human like movement would mean the workings had to weigh something. & a pleasure droid would feel all wrong if the weight was wrong.

I read or heard somewhere that thsi was supposed to be 200 years in the future but not sure if I've come across anything else to support that. It hasn't been announced in the actual show or anything has it?

Do wonder what the story is on population in the world of this show. how the park could be as large as it appears to be if the population is still growing.
& presumably the only people we're seeing in this are the wealthy elite plus the technicians for the park.

The swimming pool/bar where the writer meets the company executive girl. Is that employee only area where staff are allowed to relax between shifts or is there part of the park that isn't themed?

Stevolende, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 11:49 (four years ago) link

...

r|t|c, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 12:07 (four years ago) link

Finding it odd that if Arnold or Ford wanted to hide the family based on Ford's he'd do so next to a liftshaft point. Unless there are a lot of them around and not everybody has access to the interconnecting routes.

Also had previously thought of the surface as mainly accessed from the surface. Presuming that surface area genuinely is surface area.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 13:39 (four years ago) link

only two episodes in but this is ... pretty good? Still a little skeptical of any show that's built around a central "mystery". Also some of the meta-commentary stuff about exploitative entertainment is a pretty heavy-handed, would prefer it if they stuff to things like character development. Am encouraged by the involvement of some of my favorite people, at least (McPoyle actor + Charles Yu!)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 16:06 (four years ago) link

Was so thrilled to see Tessa Thompson introduced that I didn't notice if that scene was badly written :)

This show lost me episodes 3-5, but came back strong this week and I'm very, very excited to see how they plan to end it. For my money it's just badly conceived as a serial but will probably end brilliantly, fingers crossed

fgti, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 17:49 (four years ago) link

It's funny because the show aspires to be a smart, deep-thinking show, but once you start thinking about it, it crumbles. But in the moment, the show is super watchable and entertaining. I look forward to it every week.

I know hoes that know Ali Farka Toure (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 8 November 2016 17:52 (four years ago) link

you know how disneyland/world has a bunch of secret doors and elevators all over the park to the staff has access? it's like that. you know how dl/world has a bunch of land that isn't being used right now where old rides were? it's like that.

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 18:07 (four years ago) link

dear god if I ever wake up on a table with those two I'ma be like DIAL ME BACK DOWN TO CLETUS

irl lol

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 8 November 2016 18:23 (four years ago) link

srsly

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 8 November 2016 20:01 (four years ago) link

in my layperson opinion I'm fine with all kinds of unexplained plot devices, trailing off, and the occasional inconsistency as long as I'm entertained

the shows that go on for years after they lost any reason for existing, that's another matter

mh 😏, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 20:06 (four years ago) link

like if there are random areas in the basement of the admin facility where weird things are happening, or if there's an access portal to the park in an older area that has shady shit nearby, I'm not going to rant about how all these things would be monitored and someone should have noticed

mh 😏, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 20:08 (four years ago) link

this is definitely not a show where I care about technological verisimilitude or realistic mechanics

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 20:14 (four years ago) link

at least not yet! I hated how BSG established a bunch of stuff (cylons can't reproduce, etc.) and then just violated them willy nilly. internal consistency is *kinda* important...

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 20:16 (four years ago) link

yeah if we find out that the intelligence level doesn't top out at 20 but at 21, I am out!

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 8 November 2016 20:28 (four years ago) link

The stuff with Maeve and the two techs, all I could think about was rolling up D&D characters.

aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Tuesday, 8 November 2016 20:30 (four years ago) link

Thandiebot was pretty good at understanding 2216 tech for someone programmed to think they grew up in the 19th century

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 8 November 2016 20:32 (four years ago) link

the x-y skills grid was very similar to some of the aptitude test visualizations I've seen

mh 😏, Tuesday, 8 November 2016 20:33 (four years ago) link

well i did finish this ep, my ill will pushed back down below the 'won't watch again' line i guess

rly feel like there needs to be some character with some humor or cynicism or idk un-ponderous attitude to what's going on. no gallows humor anywhere? a huge entertainment conglomerate running a valley full of fuckbots and rich people larping? how is this not hilarious? everyone is in the same spooky register as the confused and unhappy robots. i don't buy it! the two surgical techs at least were at least kind of gross but they've been swept up in the ~mystery~ now too

the scene between wright, hopkins and the secret robot family struck me as the real worst. wright was given nothing human to say. "i find this troubling" MY FRIEND YOU NEED SOME COUCH TIME THIS IS TEXTBOOK DISTURBED. "these robots are safe" BUDDY YOUR DADBOT JUST ATTACKED ME AND DIDN'T RESPOND etc

and why wasn't harris more psyched in that soldier camp sequence -- the 'wyatt' plotline and teddy going ham are genuinely new content, right? that has to be exciting after decades of this shit. new dlc man!

goole, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 18:09 (four years ago) link

the English writer is probably meant to be the "funny" character

Number None, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 19:06 (four years ago) link

you've gotta bring your own humor to this one, folks

mh 😏, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 19:10 (four years ago) link

Westworld, from the mind of Dr. West, noted robofuckologist, has created the ultimate theme park for aspiring robot fuckers

mh 😏, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 19:12 (four years ago) link

(what it says about me idk but) i can't get over what isn't there. there's no demonstration of the JOY of escapism, either of having access to a simulated world with so much technical genius put into it, or of being able to take part in an archetypical american adventure story. there's no disney element, no jurassic park. are all these people paying to enter... an hbo series?

goole, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 20:08 (four years ago) link

the family with a kid who encountered the littlest robot seemed to be having fun on the trail

the people just screwing around in town (figuratively and literally) seem to be having fun, along with the guy who just randomly shot the leader of the pillaging gang and saved the day

the main focus seems to be on the newer story which is about self-discovery and self-actualization. that whole track seems less about disney-style theme park times and more of an interactive sitting in a yurt experience

of course, the guy crafting this has his own self-discovery cabin built by his shady, dead partner that is inhabited by... his own family, as they were when he was a kid. it seems like it's built to goad Hopkins' character into letting loose some sort of inner demons

mh 😏, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 20:32 (four years ago) link

along with the guy who just randomly shot the leader of the pillaging gang and saved the day

ha i was going to mention this guy. yeah he seemed to be enjoying himself.

goole, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 20:34 (four years ago) link

I have some of the same quibble - that you're like one third of the way into the first episode when OMG THINGS ARE GOING ASTRAY. The viewer barely gets a chance to see the steady state, so the impact of ASTRAY is minimized.

But as I said this is pretty normal with this type of entertainment; Jurassic Park movies did the same shit. You're just on the cusp of grasping why it's an interesting park when things start to unravel.

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 9 November 2016 20:41 (four years ago) link

Jurassic Park didn't even get to open :(

Number None, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 20:53 (four years ago) link

but when the pirates of the carribean breaks down... the pirates don't fuck the people

mh 😏, Wednesday, 9 November 2016 21:03 (four years ago) link

I was a little disappointed by the latest episode.
I can't tell why exactly but most of the storylines weren't very interesting to me.
And as El Tomboto said upthread, the two guys not being able to deal with Maeve is pretty silly as they're supposed to be able to... control her (which they do when she asks them) !
I didn't really understand the leverage she had over them in the negotiation, though.
the MIB/Wyatt part was just a useless big gunfight. ok.
the Elsie/Theresa/Bernard/conspiracy thing is important, I guess.
the hidden hosts family/dog thing is also important, I suppose.
oh, and yeah, the writer dickhead is really bad !
also, nothing about Dolores in this one.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 10 November 2016 11:27 (four years ago) link

(maybe there should be a spoiler alert in the title of the thread !)

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 10 November 2016 11:28 (four years ago) link

westworld? more like WORSTworld, amirite

mh 😏, Thursday, 10 November 2016 15:42 (four years ago) link

Vestworld: where Anthony Hopkins is never not wearing a vest

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 10 November 2016 17:49 (four years ago) link

https://twitter.com/jfreewright/status/797253311854444544

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 12 November 2016 01:51 (four years ago) link

lmao

lag∞n, Saturday, 12 November 2016 05:24 (four years ago) link

lol if you thought Simon Quarterman's crappy writer was bad just wait till you see Tessa Thompson's mean girl

El Tomboto, Monday, 14 November 2016 02:38 (four years ago) link

ok for real how many times has "Bernard" gotten "fired" though

El Tomboto, Monday, 14 November 2016 03:17 (four years ago) link

the board knows what this place is for

btw we can have a meeting now it's fine

mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 03:19 (four years ago) link

god that last scene was soooo tedious and drawn-out, doesn't bode well for further attempts at that sort of thing

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 14 November 2016 04:24 (four years ago) link

I thought it was some of the best acting Jeffrey Wright's gotten to do so far! And Anthony Hopkins being horrifying. It was certainly more fun than that confederates & ghost nation nonsense.

El Tomboto, Monday, 14 November 2016 04:33 (four years ago) link

it's fun following along at home and ending every one of hopkins' lines with "clariiiiissssse"

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 14 November 2016 05:04 (four years ago) link

my god this show is bad, what a spectacle

lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 06:13 (four years ago) link

the sexy young executive, the most obvious reveal ever

lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 06:14 (four years ago) link

at least bernard being a bot excuses his terrible dead child storyline

lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 06:15 (four years ago) link

I GUESS

lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 06:15 (four years ago) link

You have to check for hopkins' storyline tropes to find the bots

tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 14 November 2016 06:56 (four years ago) link

And escape (watching) westworld

tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 14 November 2016 06:57 (four years ago) link

Game of Thrones credit sequence: mechanical mapworld comes into being before your eyes.

Vinyl credit sequence: an LP comes liquidly into being before your eyes.

Westworld credit sequence: various biobots come liquidly into being before your eyes.

The Crown credit sequence: molten metal liquidly becomes a crown before your eyes.

I think we've found the MMteens' dominant visual cliché. It's the new teal & orange.

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 14 November 2016 13:51 (four years ago) link

i like the credit sequence. it's not about the 3D printing eye candy, it's about the piano. when the bot fingers first touch the piano it represents the hosts impersonating culture and speech and creativity. it's music that already existed (like a narrative/storyline in the park), and now they're reproducing it. then there's that shot where it reveals that it's a player piano, and then bot hands lift off the keyboard slowly while it continues playing, followed by the shot of the player piano roll. that's alluding to the growing sentience of the hosts, the knowledge of what's under the hood and their true roles in the theme park: the music is already written and will be played regardless, they're just window dressing to make it seem more "real", etc etc

i guess all of that is obvious but i still think it makes for a more interesting credit sequence then, say, house of cards

Karl Malone, Monday, 14 November 2016 16:31 (four years ago) link

despite all that i'm really starting to dread watching this show. everyone around me loves it and were blown away by the last episode and i can't even force myself to like it on the Lost level right now.

Karl Malone, Monday, 14 November 2016 16:31 (four years ago) link

better intro sequence would just be the video for All is Full of Love, straight up, no edits, with "WESTWORLD" tacked on at the end

Karl Malone, Monday, 14 November 2016 16:33 (four years ago) link

Do we think that Ford was building a host Theresa down there in the basement?

schwantz, Monday, 14 November 2016 16:34 (four years ago) link

o god probably

lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 16:48 (four years ago) link

we do think that, to the degree that we can be arsed to think about this show at all

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 14 November 2016 18:03 (four years ago) link

I've watched the first two episodes of this. It's good, but boy is it slow... Not the plot or the action but just... I dunno, I found myself getting itchy and/or tired of waiting for it to move on. Does it pick up?

Lennon, Elvis, Hendrix etc (dog latin), Monday, 14 November 2016 18:06 (four years ago) link

it picks up and gets very bad

lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 18:07 (four years ago) link

I'm still into it. I cannot explain why in any convincing way. Maybe I'm just a sucker for AI stories.

schwantz, Monday, 14 November 2016 18:24 (four years ago) link

entertaining and dimwitted; i thought the big twist was pretty well executed.

funny how the nature of HBO shows is such that murder (OH SORRY SPOILERS) seems like really low stakes in a conflict.

what used to set HBO apart was how well its shows dramatized people struggling as individuals in a particular organization with its own rules and prerogatives (the mob, cops/gangs, a lawless town). even the Leftovers was at its best when in that mode (how do we live together in a world with different rules). WW is more concerned with 'mystery' in a basic sense, tune in next week etc

wright is so good, can't take any objections here

boy william really went for it didn't he. what a dope.

goole, Monday, 14 November 2016 18:29 (four years ago) link

Karl - I respect your deep metaphorical reading: What I don't get is: why would they 3d print a fucking piano? Why not just use one of the like thousands of existing pianos?

I get why you make a personbot; those are needed because otherwise you'd have all kinds of consent problems, what with the frequency with which guests want to fuck and/or kill them. Reproducibility, reparability, comparative disposability. It's nice that they make horsebots too, for some of the same reasons. Birds? Uh, well, sure, make birdbots too, what the hell.

If piano strings are so scarce in the distant future that they need to extrude/spray them out of high-tech nozzles, fine, I guess. But is that also how they get chairs, wood, glass, whiskey, guns? At some point wouldn't it make more sense just to buy and have actual stuff?

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 14 November 2016 19:08 (four years ago) link

idk if there are thousands of existing faux-1800s player pianos

mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 19:09 (four years ago) link

If you wanted an exact replica of a 19th century piano w/o wear and tear you could just punch the details into the printer instead of hauling some antique shop piano into space or wherever

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 14 November 2016 19:10 (four years ago) link

They have wood and they have metal. Someone could make a piano the usual way.

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 14 November 2016 19:11 (four years ago) link

Can't wait for the Westworld character who's the equivalent of Arthur Dent complaining that the replicator can't make tea that tastes like tea

mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 19:14 (four years ago) link

why would they 3d print a fucking piano? Why not just use one of the like thousands of existing pianos?

my one remaining wish for this world, this westworld, is that they resolve this mystery at the very end of the last episode of the series, just before dramatically cutting to the final credits, with no music.

Karl Malone, Monday, 14 November 2016 19:17 (four years ago) link

knowledge of pianomaking vanished during a data back-up in 2076

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 14 November 2016 19:23 (four years ago) link

You know, this whole "Arnold and I built the park together" thing... two dudes, or one dude and his robotic apprentice?

mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 20:05 (four years ago) link

"arnold is what i call me left ball mate" --anthony hopkins, final line final ep west world

lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 20:08 (four years ago) link

imo arnold was real and anthony hopkins is the left ball

mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 20:08 (four years ago) link

fiiiiiiinally caught up to this show after spending the whole run being 1-2 episodes behind (also apparently HBO Go starts hosting episodes the actual minute they finish airing on TV?? who knew!!). The real winner of this show are (were) Bernard's impeccable suits.

Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 14 November 2016 21:51 (four years ago) link

is there a real bernard somewhere? you think HR could have looked this up. am i dumb for asking? yes.

goole, Monday, 14 November 2016 21:55 (four years ago) link

true bernard is stylin xp (love jeffery wright generally altogether)

lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 21:57 (four years ago) link

OK what the hell this got renewed for a second season. WHAT IS THE SECOND SEASON GOING TO BE ABOUT

El Tomboto, Monday, 14 November 2016 21:59 (four years ago) link

a new expansion pack

lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:00 (four years ago) link

only three episodes left in the season!

at this rate we need a second season to figure out the other half of what's going on other than minor corporate shenanigans and an off-kilter android designer

mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:06 (four years ago) link

did I miss something or are we still technically up in the air about whether Elsie is alive

mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:11 (four years ago) link

no clue as yet

this show is lowkey bad but also immensely entertaining

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Monday, 14 November 2016 22:17 (four years ago) link

idk I have seen what else ppl watch on tv and this isn't that bad

like are you going to watch two episodes of "how i met your mother" or like an episode of "orange is the new black" and unflinchingly say you better spent your time

I'd say some highbrow elitist thing about reading a book but I have read (or at least started) some really bad books

mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:25 (four years ago) link

The real winner of this show are (were) Bernard's impeccable suits.

OTM

had this same conversation

Karl Malone, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:29 (four years ago) link

feel like this show is spectacularly bad in a way that a lesser show cldnt hope to achieve

lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:31 (four years ago) link

anthony hopkins performance feels like a protest against the show itself

lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:32 (four years ago) link

so... what happened to Elsie?

gwyneth anger (patron sailor), Monday, 14 November 2016 22:33 (four years ago) link

i hope it ends with the protagonist finding philly at the edge of the park and becoming a mcpoyle bro

lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:33 (four years ago) link

i mean, i like watching it very much, hence lowkey bad rather than high. the dialogue is often objectively bad, and the seriousness with which it takes itself is both truly not made for these hyperironic days and at times difficult to easily swallow

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Monday, 14 November 2016 22:34 (four years ago) link

so I guess Bernard is an Arnold-bot then

Number None, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:35 (four years ago) link

i was stoked on the mystery of the first couple eps but after that it just seemed like they were all "lets do everything in the world all at once"

lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:35 (four years ago) link

i was pumped about the show early on but i have to admit that when there were oldtimey piano covers of johnny cash, rolling stones, AND soundgarden in the first episode i got a really bad feeling

Karl Malone, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:37 (four years ago) link

ha good call

lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:38 (four years ago) link

they had nine inch nails in episode 5 and that basically made me forgive all this show's faults tho

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Monday, 14 November 2016 22:39 (four years ago) link

lol elmo, I just asked about Elsie, too

I think the implication so far is that Elsie got taken out by Bernard and he doesn't consciously remember it because it's bad

mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:41 (four years ago) link

maybe elsie got taken by a diff faction, feels right

lag∞n, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:42 (four years ago) link

something about the physical laws of danger don't make sense to me (read: shit is incoherent)

the confederados shot a gatling gun at the train, shredding the car walls. but presumably guest william is supposed to be impervious to those bullets; maybe thumped a little but not seriously injured. eh ok. we saw one of the bullets (pulled out of maeve) and it had some kind of odd screw shape? is that meant to signify "tech here" and everything gets handwaved after? i guess i'd appreciate if the show didn't stretch it too much past that...

MIB setting off some minor explosions was presented as something special; something approved from the office for a preferred customer. but then later on we've got a lot of shit blowing up for everyone, nbd.

as a commentary on video games it's got a glaring oversight: missions where you're totally ok but have to protect a vulnerable NPC (MIB with teddy, william with dolores) are annoying as hell and no fun at all. i would expect a player to want to know if a storyline has graduated a character into special or semi-protected status, so you don't feel cheated if they get shot unexpectedly! esp after trekking days into the desert with them...

goole, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:46 (four years ago) link

yes i do feel like a chump for putting this much thought into it

itsnotthatdeep.jpg

goole, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:47 (four years ago) link

idk, bullets deform when they hit things

mh 😏, Monday, 14 November 2016 22:48 (four years ago) link

Anyone read any Jonathan Hickman comics? This is starting to remind me of that. No characters, no free will, just a very sophisticated diagram. I'm still enjoying it though.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 14 November 2016 23:02 (four years ago) link

That said Bernard being a toaster and Anthony Hopkins being EVIL are about the least mindfucky twists I could imagine

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 14 November 2016 23:15 (four years ago) link

the best show on tv right now is Ash vs Evil Dead btw.

kurt schwitterz, Monday, 14 November 2016 23:17 (four years ago) link

also, what happened to Marti (Bojana Novakovic) ?

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 00:11 (four years ago) link

gave up on this

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 00:13 (four years ago) link

It's still fun but it's definitely petered out, expectations lowered etc.

Bernard at the end perfectly captured hoe I felt at 3am last Tuesday

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 00:17 (four years ago) link

This took a turn toward 90s NBC fodder in ep 6 but I'm still hooked

homosexual II, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 02:07 (four years ago) link

Wonder if Bernard's wife was just cg and ai or if she is a bot locked in a room somewherr.

tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 03:36 (four years ago) link

MIB setting off some minor explosions was presented as something special; something approved from the office for a preferred customer. but then later on we've got a lot of shit blowing up for everyone, nbd.

He was disrupting the scripted storyline. They had to trigger pyrotechnic effects that weren't already in the storyline. The other explosions are all planned, built in to the environment, expressly designed so as to never risk harm to guests.

the confederados shot a gatling gun at the train, shredding the car walls. but presumably guest william is supposed to be impervious to those bullets; maybe thumped a little but not seriously injured.

Hey, this is why you "print" a piano instead of just building one, why everything is constructed to purpose from synthetic components. Ford and his hosts/employees can have complete control over how things react to stimuli, whether they pop squibs and die, allow a bullet to pass through and hit a host, or stop it so it doesn't hit a guest. The behavior of the cover in a firefight is variable, just like hosts have different scripts to respond to the attitude of guests.

QED BLAM

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 03:41 (four years ago) link

man y'all are harsh on this show

Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 03:56 (four years ago) link

OK, I haven't been following this thread at all, because we literally just finished the second episode, and I doubt I can convince my wife to keep going without good reason. The acting, particularly the (what I assume to be) humans is just so bad, and the dialogue is worse - or should I say, "The fucking dialogue is fucking worse, fuck, what the fuck?!" And there are just so many (not good) questions we have about the very setup, let alone mystery or motive or why the fucking company is fucking lit and decorated like a fucking dark, bleak bomb shelter, fuck!

So, if we stick with it will we be rewarded, or are the first couple of eps kind of what you see is what you get?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:02 (four years ago) link

Rewarded is a strong word, but I do think that the show improved a lot in episodes three and four, once a lot of the exposition is out of the way.

This is more of a turn-my-brain-off, popcorn chomping type of show for me. I appreciate that it's trying to be profound/intelligent, but it's mainly a fun watch, nothing revolutionary.

I know hoes that know Ali Farka Toure (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:06 (four years ago) link

ok that british dude is really embarrassing but he goes away for a while, and I just chalked the interior design up to like well obviously this is several decades into the future and idk I guess this was just architecture/design trends then idk

Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:07 (four years ago) link

Josh, I was mostly annoyed until ep 4. Then I got into it and mostly just enjoy the dumb parts for what they are

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:08 (four years ago) link

the show is an excellent companion piece to this thread

tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 04:41 (four years ago) link

I lolled at the lines they gave Raising Hope tech when she was sleuthing in spooky room:
What the fuck
shit

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 13:19 (four years ago) link

Hey, a lot of thought went into those lines. Imagine if she'd instead said

What the shit

Fuck

?

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 13:27 (four years ago) link

What the shit-fuck, fuck!

I can't tell if it's supposed to be funny or not. Like, are we in a future where half the lexicon is profanity? Because it is so ridiculous.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:00 (four years ago) link

this show is all kinds of inconsistent but I don't care, I still find it very enjoyable. except I do fall asleep in the middle of every episode for five-ten minutes.

akm, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:19 (four years ago) link

also apparently HBO Go starts hosting episodes the actual minute they finish airing on TV?? who knew!!

btw they are available immediately, like right when the show airs

jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:41 (four years ago) link

and even before it airs if you live on the west coast

akm, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:44 (four years ago) link

I thought their offices are pretty nice for being a concrete building embedded into a plateau

Then again I feel like the characters swear a lot less than I do, so I might be the counter-Josh

mh 😏, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:51 (four years ago) link

gbx, I mentioned to Stevie D that if Go/Now are the same, they appear the minute the show starts airing, not at the end. So 9PM on the east coast

mh 😏, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:52 (four years ago) link

the show is an excellent companion piece to this thread

― tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, November 14, 2016 10:41 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol pt taken

goole, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 17:23 (four years ago) link

I'm glad we all decided early on that the show is bad in many ways, that way we can concentrate on important things like piano printers rather than groaning about the level of quality dipping each week

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:06 (four years ago) link

I don't think it has been dipping

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:13 (four years ago) link

I meant how we typically talk about these shows-- Wow, this is great. Episode three is not so good. I'm done with this show. Wait it's good again. Now it's bad.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:18 (four years ago) link

My spouse is my barometer. She had literally never heard of WestWorld when we watched the first episode, which intrigued her. She was further intrigued by friends who really like the show, so she was eager to watch episode 2, but she has enough problems with it (and was pretty bored with it) that I have to decide whether it's worth lobbying her to keep watching. Obviously I can keep watching on my own, but I'm not sure about that, either.I try to stick with these shows to some extent, riding the creative ups and downs, because lots of shows take some time to find their rhythm, whether it's a season or a couple of seasons. Some shows start out with a bang then fade. Some start out so-so then improve. Tracking the ebb and flow becomes part of the viewing process, but when pervasive issues don't go away and when I start to believe either the show has no interest in fixing them, or doesn't how to fix them, or compounds them through lazy shortcuts, that's usually when I question my investment.

I was heartened by WestWorld, which passed one of my arbitrary personal tests: that is, it explicitly addressed a question I asked my wife early on, namely, why do the robots interact and make small talk, etc., when no-one is watching them? I love when stuff like that happens, because it shows they're asking these questions themselves. On the other hand, so many issues. Why would they want guests massacring dozens of robots when one assumes they're expensive to fix and replace? How can a guest tell a robot from a person and avoiding hurting them or being hurt by them? Why, of all the scenarios, the wild west, if it's mostly just about killing or having sex with people and you can do that anywhere? And wouldn't you have to be some sort of serious psychopath to want to pay big money to do that at all? Why is there only one writer on staff, and a jerk-writer, at that? So many questions. No doubt some will be answered and some will be revealed as more serious flaws. Or not!

(Also, I like to fucking nitpick, it's fucking fun, fuck!)

Sometimes I get bummed out that these high profile shows can't keep it together and think, alas, all is lost (or all is "Lost" haha), but then I see Better Call Saul (as good as anything), or Veep (consistently funny), or whatever, and I regain hope. That book came out recently listing the best TV shows ever made, and I know Deadwood was up there. I thought it was a masterpiece at the time but was worried about revising it, lest it not live up. But I started at the beginning again and, yep, still good. Makes me want to rewatch The Shield and Battlestar Galactica, too (problems with the latter aside).

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 18:48 (four years ago) link

on one hand i understand everyone's criticisms of the show - the hammy acting, the melodramatic story beats, the lazy expository dialogue

otoh i still love watching it so fuck all ya'all giddyup

Mordy, Wednesday, 16 November 2016 04:16 (four years ago) link

first season of deadwood is still fire

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 16 November 2016 06:10 (four years ago) link

That said Bernard being a toaster and Anthony Hopkins being EVIL are about the least mindfucky twists I could imagine

― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, November 14, 2016 11:15 PM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol yes. they made such a meal of it too, never has my policy of reading a book during boring speeches been more appreciated than with hopkins at the end of this

going along with the general consensus here, it's funny how this keeps you watching without giving a shit about any of it. like, in another show the trick of not featuring a main protagonist for a whole episode (dolores last time, ed harris this time) would be tantalizing but I find it hard to imagine anyone being like "omg what's going on with the train thing I need to know". They could never go back to the man in black quest and I'd miss ed harris but that's about it

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Thursday, 17 November 2016 10:21 (four years ago) link

lol if you thought Simon Quarterman's crappy writer was bad just wait till you see Tessa Thompson's mean girl

― El Tomboto, Monday, November 14, 2016 2:38 AM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is otm too, eeeesh

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Thursday, 17 November 2016 10:24 (four years ago) link

Ed Harris really has developed a malevolent scrotum of a face, hasn't he?

I hear from this arsehole again, he's going in the river (James Morrison), Thursday, 17 November 2016 11:14 (four years ago) link

I just watched the latest ep. it's better than the previous one but still disappointing somehow (although there were BIG things happening).
The Bernard/host thing was totally expected but I was surprised they killed Theresa already.
Since they also "killed" Bernard, in a way, they lost two main characters in one episode !
also, the new management woman is terrible as a intelligent/ruthless/sexy/powerful caricature.
and I don't really like the Maeve storyline. Actually, as said by many in this thread, I don't really care about any character (maybe Dolores, a little) but I still enjoy the show, although with diminishing returns (which makes me wonder about how long they can sustain this).
Thinking about it, I wonder if my initial enjoyment didn't come from my binge watching of the first 5 eps in a row. all the novelty and information might have made it better than it is since watching the two latest episodes on their own was quite disappointing...

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 17 November 2016 11:39 (four years ago) link

Think there have been too many big things happening too quickly, would have preferred them to set out the internal logic with a few more stories set in the BAU westworld than unravelling straight away. Does make you wonder how they'd manage to keep it together the past 30-odd years. Saying that, still enjoying the ride for now.

thomasintrouble, Thursday, 17 November 2016 12:00 (four years ago) link

Yeah, for a show about the western world, there's not a lot set in the west in the latest eps. It feels like most of the show is about the company politics/mysteries now. Maybe that's one of the things I miss.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 17 November 2016 12:10 (four years ago) link

yeah i love the concept of this show, and it felt to me like someone involved had almost certainly been to see punchdrunk's immersive theatre shows in nyc or london - too many similarities to be a coincidence. that piqued my interest a bit but ultimately the characters aren't strong enough. the rebellion by the maeve character doesn't actually interest or please me - i don't want the characters to escape, i want them to go on a journey in their world, the allure of the robot world to the humans is probably more interesting than the reverse.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 17 November 2016 12:16 (four years ago) link

her name is maeve, who knew

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Thursday, 17 November 2016 12:18 (four years ago) link

Starting to feel like the reveal about Bernard is just the bodysnatcher version of "black dude dies first"

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 17 November 2016 12:34 (four years ago) link

I mean, I struggle to see how it makes the character more interesting. Unless we have a season 2 of Jeffrey Wright in aged makeup, playing Arnold. Hope not/hope so?

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 17 November 2016 12:36 (four years ago) link

oh and it's supposed to be forbidden for the staff to have intercourse with the hosts but I guess the new management woman is above the rules !
(Theresa also but she didn't know she was doing a host...)

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 17 November 2016 12:39 (four years ago) link

what was his character before? he had chats with dolores, was sleeping with borgen, acted like a robot... maybe he will do stuff now

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Thursday, 17 November 2016 12:41 (four years ago) link

regarding Bernard, there's also the question that a host is not supposed to be able to understand/know about the real world and the westworld. so how can he work and deal with other hosts knowing they're just hosts, not humans ?
and if it's possible for him, then it's no big deal if Maeve and other hosts can understand the divide between reality and the park...

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 17 November 2016 12:42 (four years ago) link

he can know about robots, he's not supposed to know that he is a robot

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Thursday, 17 November 2016 12:44 (four years ago) link

hum. it seemed the hosts weren't supposed to be able to understand there was another reality and therefore that robots existed at all.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 17 November 2016 12:50 (four years ago) link

Well that's surely because they are "hosts" in a realistic Wild West theme park, this one has been designed (secretly) for a different purpose

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Thursday, 17 November 2016 13:04 (four years ago) link

ie Bernard is only being asked to accept one "reality", he doesn't live in the fake one

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Thursday, 17 November 2016 13:07 (four years ago) link

No guys all robots are programmed to think they are Cowboys there is no other way

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 17 November 2016 13:13 (four years ago) link

Is this not tied in with what Maeve asked to have turned up. The thing that allows one to grasp how concepts interrelate?

Stevolende, Thursday, 17 November 2016 13:50 (four years ago) link

yeah, I suppose.
and regarding Maeve, that means she can never be "switched of" now, right ?
like when the guys came in the saloon to take her friend.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 17 November 2016 13:51 (four years ago) link

that said, even Bernard couldn't understand/see some things related to his host status while Maeve could.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 17 November 2016 13:52 (four years ago) link

I'm betting on a finale in which Hopkins pulls a Mithradates and has the robots kill all the humans in the park

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 17 November 2016 13:57 (four years ago) link

what's his big project under construction ? I don't remember the hints and clues.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 17 November 2016 14:01 (four years ago) link

also, the new management woman is terrible as a intelligent/ruthless/sexy/powerful caricature.

we weren't sure but it sounded like she used the term "blood sacrifice" and hopkins used the term as well at the end of the episode which suggests... i guess either that she is also a droid or that they're in cahoots?

Mordy, Thursday, 17 November 2016 15:11 (four years ago) link

Or he has every inch of the park bugged.

aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Thursday, 17 November 2016 15:12 (four years ago) link

xpost
hum. if she's also a robot, it would explain why she's allowed to have sex with a host !
but at this point, would it really matter or interest anyone to learn another supposedly human is actually a robot ?

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 17 November 2016 15:19 (four years ago) link

Yeah the

It's established that they've got good cameras, but with convenient spottiness of coverage - what is noticed and what isn't noticed is always exactly what the writers require. So Bearded Tech Dude can tell someone's been messing with the settings, but can't tell who. Bernard can have long soulful chats with Dolores with no one apparently knowing. Elsie can see who did what to the transmitter, but she's apparently unworried about anybody noticing her wide-ranging snoopage. Everything can be done remote by tablet except for the things that can't; everything can be dialed up in the browser history except for the things that can't; etc.

The system's capabilities expand and contract in response to what's convenient for the narrative at that moment. It's like one big CSI:Whatever where you can always "enhance" a photo unless there's a detail needs to be obscured for writerly convenience. You can get anything off of the wiped hard drive except for the One Missing Piece.

One can see all this machinery in action and still find it dumb popcorny fun.

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 17 November 2016 15:28 (four years ago) link

oops forget 'yeah the"

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 17 November 2016 15:29 (four years ago) link

No guys all robots are programmed to think they are Cowboys there is no other way

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:13 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Bernard actually got into robotics because his son died after an accident involving a horse on their ranch

mh 😏, Thursday, 17 November 2016 15:41 (four years ago) link

Presumably everything Bernard has been doing (e.g. chatting with Dolores) have been at Anthony Hopkins' instigation, not some personal project of his own?

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 17 November 2016 16:03 (four years ago) link

This really fell off after episode 1, or at least the super-stylised production values stopped holding my attention when it began to get repetitive and the plot inched forward, if at all, at snail's pace. I think stretches of both eps 4 and 5 actually sent me to sleep? And then ep 6 brought it back in a pretty huge and unexpected way for me, easily the first time I was actually gripped by the story. This is entirely down to Maeve's self-actualisation - she's probably the only character I'm invested in. I love how her reaction to all the new info is to process it like a robot and determine a course of action based on that, even when it might seem she's reacting like a human on the surface (eg tears for Clementine's lobotomy). Thandie Newton is MVP in this show by a million miles.

I'm pretty bored with most scenes in the park, especially the shoot-em-up scenes which feel so rote, especially when you know how little's at stake. Feel like half this season has been given over to cycling pointlessly through these narratives. Becoming rapidly uninvested in Dolores, whose self-actualisation seems to have stalled, at least compared to Maeve's. William is a completely boring void of nothing. It's hard to sustain a character seven episodes in when all they've given us is vaguely worried looks.

There's literally nothing about the Man In Black storyline that holds any interest for me, the problem isn't that the show's piling up ridiculous mysteries à la Lost, it's that it's piling up boring mysteries. What is the Man In Black searching for? I don't care bc I don't care about him bc he's total cardboard. I guess the video game parallel is intentional but they're not emotionally compelling either. And every single interaction with hosts is just devoid of any reason to care, sort of like the show's hoist itself on its own clever conceit. (Even though the logic of Westworld collapses as soon as you poke at it, like the magic bullets than all humans are safe from.)

The action in the control centre with the humans (OR ARE THEY etc) is more interesting for sure, even if it can be a bit silly. Intrigued that we're not being led to root for either Ford or the board at this point - Elsie (if still alive) seems to be the only human presented as on the side of good and truth so far?

I was wondering whether Charlotte was a bot based on her relaxed attitude to nudity and Ford echoing her "blood sacrifice" line. Did Ford imply this is like a game he and the board play regularly? They try to unseat him, he sees through them and...kills someone? This doesn't make much sense.

Def on board with the theory that Bernard is (made in the image of) Arnold and the scenes of him testing Dolores were actually Arnold. There's some possibly interesting anagram stuff going on with their names too.

lex pretend, Thursday, 17 November 2016 17:19 (four years ago) link

the bernarnold theory

mh 😏, Thursday, 17 November 2016 17:20 (four years ago) link

Arnerdb?

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Thursday, 17 November 2016 17:25 (four years ago) link

I think the "blood sacrifice" line was first meant as a metaphor (We're going to fire Bernard) and later as literal (Bernard is going to splatter your head on a wall.)

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 17 November 2016 18:33 (four years ago) link

he said the blood sacrifice thing cuz he was using the Hector sex bot as a spy on the board woman just like he used Bernard sex bot to get the Teresa specs to make her into a robot. the fact that this wasn't clear was either really bad writing or they are trying too hard.

kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 17 November 2016 19:21 (four years ago) link

or both!

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 17 November 2016 21:21 (four years ago) link

This might be the movie that Knudsen had to get back for, it's out now in France:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5247544/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_4

Danish, English, French YOU'RE JUST SHOWING OFF NOW SIDSE BABETT KNUDSEN

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 November 2016 08:24 (four years ago) link

i'm not gonna lie i fell asleep at least once during that last ep

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 November 2016 08:25 (four years ago) link

Holy fuck, it appears Sky have hijacked the official website in that it won't load in the UK but redirects to the Sky Atlantic's Westworld page. Fuck this show

https://www.discoverwestworld.com/#

groovypanda, Friday, 18 November 2016 08:48 (four years ago) link

in France it goes here: http://fans.ocs.fr/westworld-series-ocs-ambitieux-subversif-delirant/

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 November 2016 08:51 (four years ago) link

If you're trying to check out the website and have a look at the map, you think they'd realise there's a fair chance you're already watching the show

groovypanda, Friday, 18 November 2016 09:07 (four years ago) link

the problem isn't that the show's piling up ridiculous mysteries à la Lost, it's that it's piling up boring mysteries.

I pretty much agree with this. So I still enjoy watching the show but it's not really exciting. Just fun. And maybe less and less...

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 18 November 2016 10:55 (four years ago) link

I like Dolores' plot. A robot falling in love is not original or surprising, but inevitably something they have to explore in this show, and I like that they're kinda doing it in a classic silver screen love story kind of way. I was hoping that the western setting would also allow for some classic western sub plots. As for the shoot-outs it was all fun and games at first but we see now that guests can get in genuine danger and be killed by hosts, if not by the bullets, so there's more to it than before.

abcfsk, Friday, 18 November 2016 11:10 (four years ago) link

yeah, I like Dolores's plot, so far (although her lovers are pretty boring. I mean, Teddy and William...) : the hidden gun, the hidden conversations with Bernard/Arnold, her quest to whatever she'll find...

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 18 November 2016 11:40 (four years ago) link

General derision here and my wife's apparent firm "no" means I won't be traveling back to WestWorld any time soon, but I thought this was funny:

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/now-that-the-election-is-over-i-have-some-questions-about-westworld

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 18 November 2016 12:40 (four years ago) link

Holy fuck, it appears Sky have hijacked the official website in that it won't load in the UK but redirects to the Sky Atlantic's Westworld page. Fuck this show

https://www.discoverwestworld.com/#

― groovypanda, Friday, November 18, 2016 8:48 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I just got something about the site not being available in the territory I'm in. Though I did get the Delos page.

Stevolende, Friday, 18 November 2016 13:27 (four years ago) link

Lol... it would be amazing if the agency that created the website somehow sold the rights per territory

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 November 2016 14:00 (four years ago) link

Maybe it was wrapped up in some "ancillary content" bit of the contract that only HBO paid for.. I dunno, scratching my head over that

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 November 2016 14:01 (four years ago) link

if u hold down the shift key the website will send u a garbled transmission from anthony hopkins, here is the map

http://i.imgur.com/aoRlE8e.jpg

lag∞n, Friday, 18 November 2016 14:29 (four years ago) link

oh that seems to be missing the main towns

lag∞n, Friday, 18 November 2016 14:30 (four years ago) link

there u go, had to figure out how to take a screenshot w/o using the shift key lol

http://i.imgur.com/8GYgHxJ.jpg

lag∞n, Friday, 18 November 2016 14:34 (four years ago) link

so the story is basically going south ?
the part where nobody ever came back is the "under construction" area, I suppose ?

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 18 November 2016 14:47 (four years ago) link

came back from...

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 18 November 2016 14:48 (four years ago) link

i think under construction is where hopkins is building his new thing

lag∞n, Friday, 18 November 2016 14:56 (four years ago) link

maybe that's not exclusive and the reason why it's a "no go zone" ?
otherwhise where would the "no go zone" be since they were in the ghost nation area ?

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 18 November 2016 15:16 (four years ago) link

Oddly just rechecked that Westworld site and it partially loaded but then just went to a black page saying that 'I'm Sorry Destination westworld isn't available in the country you're in'. Thought it would just go to a 404 message or something, if it wasn't going to load.

Not sure what the story is on distribution over here so wonder if there is any chance somebody might pick up the website for the area.

Sounded from the comment earlier that Sky were redirecting elsewhere from the URL, I'm assuming that would be UK. I couldn't tell if what i'm getting is just Ireland or outside the US and related. But would think a site like taht would be promotional material that they would want to have widely available.

Stevolende, Friday, 18 November 2016 15:19 (four years ago) link

ya hopkins new thing and the place no one ever came back from being the same place wld make sense, tho i got the impression they were looking out over the part labeled canyons (cause there were canyons)

lag∞n, Friday, 18 November 2016 15:26 (four years ago) link

tho iirc there was something abt hopkins building a canyon too

lag∞n, Friday, 18 November 2016 15:27 (four years ago) link

but there was a river between them and the "no go zone" and if I understand the map correctly there would be a river between the south west of ghost nation and the "under construction" area...

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 18 November 2016 15:35 (four years ago) link

Lecter's canyon-building project is in the Under Construction zone and you see the gigantic earth-eater approaching the agave plantation hacienda.

The place Bernard goes and finds the cozy Devonshire cottage with Lecter's family may be in that zone but it's not clear - a tech tells Bernard merely that it's an area reserved for future storylines. The theater where Elsie goes to find the transmitter is merely said to be in an abandoned area. The three flavors of off-limits (under construction, reserved, and abandoned) may be the same or different, once assumes.

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 18 November 2016 15:46 (four years ago) link

there's no thread for it but if you're getting tired of this then Insecure on HBO is really good!!

goole, Friday, 18 November 2016 15:47 (four years ago) link

another interesting thing is that the "under construction" goes over the sea !
Waterworld !
http://aws-cf.caradisiac.com/prod/mesimages/96143/waterworld.jpg

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 18 November 2016 15:56 (four years ago) link

some1 just watch the original movie and report back with the answers to all the mysteries

just another (diamonddave85), Friday, 18 November 2016 16:28 (four years ago) link

i have seen it but i dont remember

lag∞n, Friday, 18 November 2016 16:31 (four years ago) link

there's no thread for it but if you're getting tired of this then Insecure on HBO is really good!!

― goole, Friday, November 18, 2016 10:47 AM (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

looks good ty!

lag∞n, Friday, 18 November 2016 16:33 (four years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/GzdbTHU.jpg makes you think...

just another (diamonddave85), Friday, 18 November 2016 16:36 (four years ago) link

I feel like Reddit-style plot-sleuthing over Westworld says more about the scripts' incoherence than the actual mysteries

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 18 November 2016 16:37 (four years ago) link

FUTUREWORLD
it me

mh 😏, Friday, 18 November 2016 16:40 (four years ago) link

xp imo it says more about the habitual delving into scripts as some airtight explanation of a complete fictional world and not just a show you watch and enjoy

I'm all in favor of people doing so in favor of making their own homegrown Westworld tabletop rpg or slash fiction or w/e but when it's just in the service of endless avclub-style "is this a good show" thinkpieces I die inside

at least the people who are probably on tumblr trying to figure out if it's ethical to fuck a robot horse have a goal in mind

mh 😏, Friday, 18 November 2016 16:45 (four years ago) link

sexyrobothorsepics

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Friday, 18 November 2016 17:02 (four years ago) link

otm

mh 😏, Friday, 18 November 2016 17:13 (four years ago) link

Oh, yeah, it's just fun to speculate. I have no illusion that the creators have a grand and unbreakable master plan so that errybody is like "wait, this bush needs to be two inches to the left to line up with the maps and schematics that we released online that are, like, totally canon." This mode of thinking is sub-Galaxy Quest, but it's a fun distraction in a time where some of us need such.

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 18 November 2016 18:46 (four years ago) link

FUTUREWORLD
it me

― mh 😏, Friday, November 18, 2016 10:40 AM (two hours ago)

lol

aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Friday, 18 November 2016 19:04 (four years ago) link

seems dumb that the robots' only override is a vocal command. what if it's loud outside?

slam dunk, Friday, 18 November 2016 23:37 (four years ago) link

can i just say that "where nothing can possibly go worng!" is probably the best tagline of all time

Number None, Saturday, 19 November 2016 11:20 (four years ago) link

agreed

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 19 November 2016 11:27 (four years ago) link

it's from golden-era Simpsons (the westworld/jp-spoofing episode) so yeah

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Saturday, 19 November 2016 11:28 (four years ago) link

it was on the original movie poster

Number None, Saturday, 19 November 2016 15:01 (four years ago) link

Haha shut my mouth. So Simpsons ripped off westworld

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Saturday, 19 November 2016 15:04 (four years ago) link

The worng! makes it

El Tomboto, Saturday, 19 November 2016 16:19 (four years ago) link

Futureworld tagline accurate for 2016

great Canadian prog-psych debut from 1969 (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 20 November 2016 02:54 (four years ago) link

Shea Serrano is funny

I watched the one episode of Westworld where the main robot girl kills Oscar Isaac and then escapes off the compound and it was really good. That was probably my favorite episode. It was funny when Oscar Isaac danced. Oscar Isaac is such a good actor. I wish they’d have let him be in more Westworld episodes before killing his character. I’d have liked to know more about him.

https://theringer.com/lets-stop-pretending-we-know-what-s-going-on-in-westworld-e1afd7f584bc#.1new3np5h

El Tomboto, Sunday, 20 November 2016 03:16 (four years ago) link

lets-stop-pretending-we-know-what-s-going-on-in-westworld

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 20 November 2016 04:12 (four years ago) link

if anyone ever fixes the spelling of "wrong" in this thread title I'm quitting ilx

mh 😏, Sunday, 20 November 2016 15:32 (four years ago) link

"not in her character"
"end of her story"

now they're officially just fucking with us

El Tomboto, Monday, 21 November 2016 02:22 (four years ago) link

seems like two timelines = confirmed

El Tomboto, Monday, 21 November 2016 02:56 (four years ago) link

what r they

lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 03:00 (four years ago) link

no wait nevermind, it could still be all one

El Tomboto, Monday, 21 November 2016 03:04 (four years ago) link

Talulah Riley (who played the host in white who introduces William to the park) shows up again and MIB says "I thought you were retired?" but on further consideration this is a fake-out

El Tomboto, Monday, 21 November 2016 03:11 (four years ago) link

uh yeah he has been visiting for a bit

There are totally two timelines, though. The movie, where the not-convincingly-humans with the bad hand movements flipped out and killed all the guests, and the HBO series

what the movie had that the tv series lacks is the fourth-wall breaking dude who practically did the bugs bunny "eh, ain't I a rascal?" routine

seriously, there is a dude whose role is entirely reaction shots to sell the fact he's doing all this wild shit. but the two shots are him playing with a gun and accidentally shooting a mirror and him making this silly face after waking up and realizing there's a sex worker robot in his bed

mh 😏, Monday, 21 November 2016 03:23 (four years ago) link

I have yet to watch Futureworld to see if it's pseudo-canon

original Westworld set was small enough you could run to the Roman world from there, and also sneak into the command center, so presumably the spot where Fore popped out in view of the church steeple was the original area

mh 😏, Monday, 21 November 2016 03:25 (four years ago) link

*Ford, sheesh

mh 😏, Monday, 21 November 2016 03:25 (four years ago) link

uh why is Dolores's home the 1973 Westworld movie set

:o

― mh 😏, Sunday, November 20, 2016 9:52 PM (forty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

El Tomboto, Monday, 21 November 2016 03:40 (four years ago) link

now your other posts make more sense

El Tomboto, Monday, 21 November 2016 03:41 (four years ago) link

lol did I post that to the wrong thread? oopsy

mh 😏, Monday, 21 November 2016 03:48 (four years ago) link

I didn't even catch that they seemingly confirmed Elsie's death in this one. Seems like overly short shrift, if so.

El Tomboto, Monday, 21 November 2016 06:08 (four years ago) link

it was right before Bernard had his memories wiped. he asked if he'd been made to do violent acts before, followed by a brief flash of him killing Elsie, and Ford saying "oh, of course not"

mh 😏, Monday, 21 November 2016 14:07 (four years ago) link

Wasn't Elsie on the phone to Bernard (who was standing in Teresa's apartment) when she got grabbed?

aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Monday, 21 November 2016 14:20 (four years ago) link

nah their phone call happened just before that

Number None, Monday, 21 November 2016 14:38 (four years ago) link

I'm more willing to accept different timelines as a theory now -- the original town was buried, Dolores and William find it now definitely not buried. Although Ford seeing the steeple sticking up and the acknowledgment by others that he was planning on surfacing the old town could just mean the digging/cleaning robots are really efficient.

bad writer dude's new line, "I eat my victims moist" is some great horrible writing. would definitely think anyone who said that is a scary psycho because wtf

btw I am Wyatt

mh 😏, Monday, 21 November 2016 16:21 (four years ago) link

wtf is going on btw

homosexual II, Monday, 21 November 2016 16:58 (four years ago) link

I think we were being led to believe that Arnold had some funny ideas and maybe was too invested in the androids, but it's quickly becoming clear that Ford doesn't really give a shit about hosts or guests and just likes fucking with people as a great sport

mh 😏, Monday, 21 November 2016 17:00 (four years ago) link

whats up w that town thats only a church steeple, thx in advance i fell asleep some

lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 17:04 (four years ago) link

they buried the original western theme park years ago, idk maybe from tragedy, maybe it just looks janky compared to the new sets

apparently the steeple was the only part sticking out of the ground

Ford (according to something I read, don't really remember this bit) said something about excavating it as part of his new story

it looks like Billy and Dolores are there, now, and it's not buried

mh 😏, Monday, 21 November 2016 17:09 (four years ago) link

uh wait, never mind, when Dolores is there now, it is still buried, she's just having an extended flashback

mh 😏, Monday, 21 November 2016 17:19 (four years ago) link

dolores killed everyone

lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 17:36 (four years ago) link

One problem I'm having with William McPoyle is that he's clearly also Caleb Followill, lead singer and rhythm guitarist in the band Kings of Leon.

https://assets2.amazingradio.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2011/03/Caleb%2BFollowill%2BGucci%2BRocNation%2BPre%2BGRAMMY%2BntylG8mCkkvl.jpg?x64329

http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/prisonbreak/images/6/6f/Jimmi%2BSimpson%2BWin%2BWin%2BNew%2BYork%2BScreening%2BD8yeyl2Yo6Fl.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110416195419

Are you seriously going to tell me that these are not the same guy, with different amounts of facial hair?

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 21 November 2016 17:56 (four years ago) link

well those two are both white guys.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 21 November 2016 18:17 (four years ago) link

um its called acting hello

lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 18:35 (four years ago) link

YMP, one of them is more of a fathead

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 21 November 2016 18:38 (four years ago) link

idk if it's fathead as much as less of a pronounced jawline

signed, white dude without a good jawline

mh 😏, Monday, 21 November 2016 18:40 (four years ago) link

is this show good/worth watching?

Evan R, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:05 (four years ago) link

no

lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:06 (four years ago) link

It's entertaining gibberish

aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Monday, 21 November 2016 19:06 (four years ago) link

tessa thompson's corporate killer lady is so bad. badly written, badly acted. what a shame. have none of these writers had an office job? the language is... not this brick-in-the-face obvious. (given their treatment of the bad writer character, i have questions about a lot more than that)

on that subjects, i just watched a couple youtubes of key scenes from margin call. that's a great movie.

goole, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:21 (four years ago) link

otm worst character on the show completely ridiculous answering the door all nude from sexing a robot lol, otm re margin call too

lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:23 (four years ago) link

man i just thought of a whole other thing to whine about! on the subject of 'worldbuilding,' there's really *nothing at all* about what kind of larger society exists out there in the world, what kind of situation people are escaping from or buying out of to get into this park, or how (if they are widely present) the kinds of technologies in the park work in daily life outside. it seems to be just p much like today's america.

are we meant to infer that old west adventure is a huge draw again because life is so completely settled and managed? or is it the opposite, and it's the park that is a stable, predictable environment. the guests and the techs haven't given any sign of coming from any particular thing.

goole, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:28 (four years ago) link

"Maeve in the World" could be an interesting short spinoff from the main series.

aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Monday, 21 November 2016 19:32 (four years ago) link

the poor execution of this show angers me because it cld be so good or at least fun

lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:33 (four years ago) link

what if a guest doesnt want to wear old west clothes they want to do the adventure in their furry bondage outfit is the park saying no

lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:34 (four years ago) link

u know they wldve developed a second park next door a la epcot where u cn fuck living stuffed animals by now

lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:39 (four years ago) link

maybe thats what the corp wants the source code for

lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:39 (four years ago) link

man i just thought of a whole other thing to whine about! on the subject of 'worldbuilding,' there's really *nothing at all* about what kind of larger society exists out there in the world, what kind of situation people are escaping from or buying out of to get into this park, or how (if they are widely present) the kinds of technologies in the park work in daily life outside. it seems to be just p much like today's america.

this is surely deliberate. Although that doesn't necessarily mean they have a coherent idea of the world outside the park (apart from a few references to having cured all diseases, etc)

Number None, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:39 (four years ago) link

are we meant to infer that old west adventure is a huge draw again because life is so completely settled and managed?

I'm pretty sure a character on the show said this basically

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 21 November 2016 19:43 (four years ago) link

u know they wldve developed a second park next door a la epcot where u cn fuck living stuffed animals by now

― lag∞n, Monday, November 21, 2016 1:39 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol the original movie has a monorail type of thing where they get to the park followed by a relatively unglamorous ride on an airport-style golf cart thingy and my main takeaway was that behind the scenes, Delos is basically EPCOT

mh 😏, Monday, 21 November 2016 19:47 (four years ago) link

more like sexcot

lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:07 (four years ago) link

this seems to be doing marginally better than RECORD LABEL or whatever that show was called - will it take longer to get cancelled?

Οὖτις, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:18 (four years ago) link

It's already been renewed

Number None, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:33 (four years ago) link

Oh wait they actually renewed Vinyl before canceling it lol

Number None, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:33 (four years ago) link

it was right before Bernard had his memories wiped. he asked if he'd been made to do violent acts before, followed by a brief flash of him killing Elsie, and Ford saying "oh, of course not"

― mh 😏

err, wasn't that Teresa in his flashback? I might be mistaken, but it didn't look like Elsie?

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Monday, 21 November 2016 20:34 (four years ago) link

RECORD LABEL didn't have a big central mystery, but then again neither did SUBURBAN MOB BOSS or DRUGS & COPS IN BALTIMORE

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 21 November 2016 20:35 (four years ago) link

big central mysteries are a stupid thing to build a show around tbh

Οὖτις, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:36 (four years ago) link

Vinyl was such a depressing slog, but maybe I can save it in my mind by imagining that it, too, was a Westworld-type immersion-experience theme park.

For a modest fee, you too can be a 1970s record company executive! Discover and sign hot bands, make terrible deals, inhale blow off the belly of a dead hooker. More adventurous guests may choose to venture into the "Hood," a more authentically "urban" milieu where you may hear some groundbreaking "rap" music... but you might also get "beaten up" by a gang of authentically ethnic "hoodlums."

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 21 November 2016 20:39 (four years ago) link

lol

Οὖτις, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:40 (four years ago) link

Actually now that I think about it, almost all TV shows benefit from this thought experiment.

Turn? Revolutionary cosplay.

Netflix's The Crown: pretend to be an insufferable aristocrat for a day!

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 21 November 2016 20:44 (four years ago) link

hmm almost like all of life... is acting...

lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:46 (four years ago) link

Quantum Leap would make a dope park

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 21 November 2016 20:47 (four years ago) link

feel like this show but done as a farce w a huge mishmash of every entertainment idea

lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:53 (four years ago) link

err, wasn't that Teresa in his flashback? I might be mistaken, but it didn't look like Elsie?

it was def the latter

Number None, Monday, 21 November 2016 20:56 (four years ago) link

of all of the minuses you might perceive in this show some things are pretty straightforward

Bernard: "have you made me do a violence before?!?"
*cuts to scene of him violently attacking a prior victim
Ford: "of course not!"

mh 😏, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:06 (four years ago) link

big central mysteries are a stupid thing to build a show around tbh

― Οὖτις, Monday, November 21, 2016 12:36 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. Hopefully they either have thought through some 5-year arc, or they plan on revealing the mysteries sooner and moving on to something else driving the plot (like "Maeve in the World").

schwantz, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:07 (four years ago) link

season two is medieval world or w/e, season three is romeworld

mh 😏, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:09 (four years ago) link

the poor execution of this show angers me because it cld be so good or at least fun

― lag∞n, Monday, November 21, 2016

a nolan joint, you say?

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 21 November 2016 21:22 (four years ago) link

i can't tell if the tone is too serious or not serious enough

Karl Malone, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:24 (four years ago) link

ha yeah xp

lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:26 (four years ago) link

"Maeve in the world" would basically be the same as an Ex Machina sequel (as noted above).

Medieval- and Rome-worlds sound decently diverting but are both so stratified that your initial position (cf. Rawls) must be aristocratic or else it'd be no fun. No one pays serious dinero to be the designated toilet-scrubber at Castle Whatever. In Westworld, everybody who gets off the train in Sweetwater has a comparatively wide range of potential social stations. Still no one chooses "poor agave plantation worker" or "syphilitic whore."

Or so one assumes.

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 21 November 2016 21:28 (four years ago) link

I was wondering what the role that Maeve had before she met Ed Harris involved. Was she the other half of a family that the guest fit into. Otherwise seems odd that you would make a robot into a female homesteader if she would be away from other population as I think she would have been if she was an actual homesteader.
Just finding it a bit 0f a peripheral role for them to create a robot to fill unless there was going to be some direct guest contact.

Stevolende, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:45 (four years ago) link

wait so tessa thompson was telling awful british dude that Ford's new narrative that he was currently in the process of building was abt some dude named Wyatt and a bunch of masked men terrorizing ppl
Man in Black is currently participating in a narrative abt a dude named Wyatt and was terrorized by a bunch of masked men

this wd mean that MiB's story is some point in the future, yes?

Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, 21 November 2016 21:47 (four years ago) link

xp Or to put taht another way, you could understand extra characters being put into background roles in a town situation just to make the town situation more realistic. But if you're a homesteader living in a rural spot where you're not living on top of each other and therre to show taht there is population around I don't get the point. What interaction does a homesteader have with other individuals most of the time.
It looked from the clips where there has been a look back at that point in her life that she was living in the middle of nowhere.

Stevolende, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:49 (four years ago) link

this wd mean that MiB's story is some point in the future, yes?

― Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, November 21, 2016 4:47 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

was thinking that, the near future, or hes getting a sneak peak before its complete

lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:50 (four years ago) link

Was she the other half of a family that the guest fit into.

― Stevolende, Monday, November 21, 2016 4:45 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

whoa this is wld be so much more interesting and sad than any of the scenarios depicted so far, someone paying big bucks to play act a happy family

lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 21:51 (four years ago) link

wait so tessa thompson was telling awful british dude that Ford's new narrative that he was currently in the process of building was abt some dude named Wyatt and a bunch of masked men terrorizing ppl
Man in Black is currently participating in a narrative abt a dude named Wyatt and was terrorized by a bunch of masked men

this wd mean that MiB's story is some point in the future, yes?

― Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Monday, November 21, 2016 3:47 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my assumption is that these things are rolled out sequentially? as in the first run of the new wyatt story is still in its 1st 'chapter' (nobody's even met the guy yet!) and TT is asking brit-boy to write a minor character into the unfolding scenario

basically i'm resistant to the idea that i have to keep track of slightly different timelines w/ this

happy to see that dadbot actor back tho, he was great

goole, Monday, 21 November 2016 22:09 (four years ago) link

also they've come up with this back story to explain what is going on with Ed Harris involving a situation that involved one of teh central characters. But no explanation as to what that character was doing in the situation that Harris walked into. Jus surprised that they would go to the expense of paying for a robot to play a role that unless the guest is going to step into closer contact with might as well not exist.

Was also wondering what the story is with Dolores's home set up where she's living with her father. Presumably it must be understood that a guest would be coming into contact with taht domestic set up in some way or it wouldn't be part of the program loop surely? Is it understood that as part of the story line the place is going to get wrecked by passing bad men or was that a one off?

Stevolende, Monday, 21 November 2016 22:15 (four years ago) link

So now I think the new host being printed in Ford's basement lab is possibly an Elsie substitute. Because the first time we saw it I thought it was too small to be an adult host and then I remembered Shannon Woodward is 5'1".

El Tomboto, Monday, 21 November 2016 22:20 (four years ago) link

I almost had a little crush on her until I read on some website the actor is best friends with Katy Perry and then I was like "I hope the android crushed her!!" instead

mh 😏, Monday, 21 November 2016 22:23 (four years ago) link

she was there for sidequest purposes stevo

i.e. rescue the homesteader from the Ghost Nation, or bring back her missing husband, etc.

Number None, Monday, 21 November 2016 22:23 (four years ago) link

yeah that makes some sense. Explains her purpose etc.

Stevolende, Monday, 21 November 2016 22:28 (four years ago) link

maybe this show shdve actually just been a video game

lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 23:08 (four years ago) link

Choose your own adventure books were big when I was little; how different is this really?

"A sultry ho says, 'You must be new here, not much of a raaaand on you. I'll give you a discount.'"

If you want to fuck her, go to page 53.

If you want to blow her brains out, while cackling demonically, go to page 75.

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 21 November 2016 23:14 (four years ago) link

https://gfycat.com/PinkUnhappyDouglasfirbarkbeetle

Evan, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:32 (four years ago) link

https://gfycat.com/PastBelovedCaracal

Evan, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:33 (four years ago) link

Last one:

https://gfycat.com/PositiveBitterBlackmamba

Evan, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:33 (four years ago) link

i love this stupid show i don't even care

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:38 (four years ago) link

it was definitely hella basil exposition in more scenes than usual tho this week

i like the freaky occult wyatt shit! make tv occult again/always imo

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:41 (four years ago) link

It's addicting. Though I have to agree with what was touched on way upthread somewhere- the employee's gratuitous swearing and shitting on each other is coming off like lazy writing that (I think) is trying too hard to make the employees look overly comfortable with their nutty futuristic sci-fi jobs. Either way, it's coming off really forced. The pointless shoehorned "fuck"s and nasty jabs in every conversation.

Evan, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:49 (four years ago) link

by the rules of reduced scifi plausibility i can imagine that the guys hired to simply do basic nuts-and-bolts repairs and programming ("butchers," as sylvester [the asshole guy] calls himself and lutz) would be like, not the most well adjusted dudes. we have multiple robo-necrophiles, after all

but even as a person who loves swearing in general, extra swearing is indeed pointless if it serves no purpose and it doesn't seem to here, other than to say everyone's kind of an asshole (which we already figured out)

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:55 (four years ago) link

the only sympathetic characters are the robots, and only then those robots who are gaining self-awareness, like bernard and particularly maeve. maeve is great.

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 18:56 (four years ago) link

Well the asshole level seems to be increased in order to oversell the idea that they treat it just like any other soul sucking occupation among other assholes, so as viewers we can relate to it and also be mystified by a future society that treats all this amazing miracle technology like its just part of their mundane day. "They are annoyed about the impossibly human heart stopping miracle androids not being handled correctly by a department at their company just like I'm annoyed at Jim for not sending me back the updated excel spreadsheet!! How crazy the future must be!!" idea beaten to death on this show.

Evan, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 19:20 (four years ago) link

I gathered that it's a little like being in Antarctica or on a ship or something - decently comfortable but isolating. They speak of "rotating out" and getting to see their homes and families every buncha months. This could lead to a familiarity-breeds-contempt thing where they just get on each other's nerves like college roommates do, which could up the hostility they show one another.

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 19:29 (four years ago) link

grunts who hate their jobs and are separated from family are a sci-fi staple

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 19:42 (four years ago) link

True, but then they also did it when the young executive lady showed up and sure enough gave Theresa the same kind of shit. The line went something like "I like you Theresa- well, not personally- but I like you as a manager here". Given this was the second of three total scenes these characters are ever going to be in together (unless there's a flashback), it seems there because the writers are relying a little too much on this one technique to keep the dialogue spicy? Just my opinion.

Evan, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 19:42 (four years ago) link

Also true.

xp

Evan, Tuesday, 22 November 2016 19:43 (four years ago) link

this was excellent!

what the movie had that the tv series lacks is the fourth-wall breaking dude who practically did the bugs bunny "eh, ain't I a rascal?" routine

maeve breaks the 4th wall like three times in this ep! it was thrilling! things are getting freaky deaky.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 22 November 2016 23:44 (four years ago) link

i am almost positive that the writer douche is not actually british, but an american doing a british accent. which goes partway towards explaining why he's so bad. when you're not 100% with an accent it saps your focus and concentration so instead of doing a good job in the scene you're trying to get your mouth to make the right shapes.

i don't think tessa thompson is nearly as bad as you guys mare making her out to be. she has terrible dialogue to work with and i think she handles it credibly. you know who's bad, like super-bad, like i can't believe they didn't nip it in the bud and recast the part, is the beardy medical tech. MY GOD. all the scenes with him and maeve and leonardo nam are oddly stilted and static and frankly they've never nailed why exactly the two med techs are helping her in the first place. has she hypnotized them? it's dumb.

however despite all that this was great, my favorite episode since the beginning. maeve "hacking" westworld was awesome. teddy finally turning on ed harris was awesome. ed's story about his real life and his wife was awesome. dolores' hallucinations are super spooks. the return of logan is genuinely frightening. maeve's real and imagined backstories are awesome (though once again the westworld approach to QA feels pretty slipshod - in her former role maeve killed herself?? oh well no probs, let's give her a different role i'm sure she'll sort herself out). ford and bernard's little chat about what makes humans real was great. (what are the chances bernard DOESN'T end up killing ford at some point once he figures out what ford's made him do?)

the only thing i'm not really feeling is "the maze" which i'm sure will, irritatingly, get almost entirely pushed off to S2. i like shows that set up mysteries and then SOLVE THEM and then PUSH THROUGH to the next mystery. ah well.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 09:46 (four years ago) link

luke hemsworth is the kind of dude who would coach your elementary school basketball class and wear gray snap-top coach shorts

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 09:48 (four years ago) link

omg so I'm watching (ok I'm posting to ilx and its on) and we've just encountered an actual honest to god "ah ____ you disappoint me" in the wild! badness upon badness in this tv programme

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 10:22 (four years ago) link

God this show moves so slowly. Taking you up to the brink of something revelatory or a genuine explosion point but never actually there. The Man In Black's interminable life story that actually amounted to fuck all. Dolores reaching the place she'd been searching for...and then just getting some confusing flashbacks. Nothing explained, nothing happening.

Was sort of convinced by the multiple timeline theory but it feels way too late in the day to reveal that in a meaningful way? ie if it's revealed, the reaction will be "oh I guess they finally got there" rather than "BOMBSHELL!!!"

Basically feels like they didn't write enough plot and have had to stretch it out really thinly.

Super into Maeve rampaging and killing everyone though. Don't even care that the technicians' motives are inexplicable, I'm thankful for that if it gives us that one storyline that's actually exciting.

(Also thought Elsie's death got ridiculously short shrift given that, in lieu of Bernard being a human, she was the only human aware of dodgy goings-on and not invested in covering it up. Actually thought Bernard was flashing back to killing Theresa at first it was so brief.)

(I don't hate the Charlotte and Lee characters that much, they're silly and have bad dialogue but that campy silliness is a much-needed counterbalance to the vast swathes of NOTHING HAPPENING elsewhere - I think they're much more watchable than any Man In Black scene.)

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 11:14 (four years ago) link

also you guys referring to every character by the actor name rather than the character name is weird imo. Spent a lot of this thread wondering why you were calling Theresa Tessa

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 11:15 (four years ago) link

I don't know character or actor names because wgaf

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 11:31 (four years ago) link

I think bad brit writer is an actual English guy doing cringey performative Englishness for American audience, like the you're the worst guy

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 11:42 (four years ago) link

my god you're right.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 11:49 (four years ago) link

writer is bad but not in the way that the show is bad, more like a genuine "how was this allowed to happen" kind of bad

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 11:53 (four years ago) link

him and the beardy surgeon who has SO MANY LINES WHY DO YOU KEEP WRITING LINES FOR HIM GAHHHHHH

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 12:00 (four years ago) link

btw my frame of reference for bad American television is quite small and mainly confined to PRISON BREAK but from that I learned the bad tv rule that if a character's exact moment of death is not shown onscreen that is a cast-iron guarantee that they will be shockingly revealed to still be alive later on

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 12:29 (four years ago) link

Didn't Prison Break decapitate someone then bring them back to life?

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 12:43 (four years ago) link

yesssssssss

"I saw your head in a box"
"you saw a head in a box"

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 12:49 (four years ago) link

also you guys referring to every character by the actor name rather than the character name is weird imo

I think people's inability to remember character names is symptomatic of the boring nature of the characters

Number None, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:00 (four years ago) link

Nothing about this show sticks really

Number None, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:01 (four years ago) link

I realized during this episode that I only learn character names after someone dies (or "dies"), because only then do other characters talk about them by name.

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:22 (four years ago) link

Man I was really enjoying this show til I read this thread

great Canadian prog-psych debut from 1969 (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:30 (four years ago) link

lex otm p much. especially re: dolores and the old town. william being like, "uh you're wigging out, we just walked like a week to get to this secret location in the expensive video game park, but let's leave w/o figuring out anything" so disappointing!

i really wish the show had gifted william with a double consciounsness -- having the time of his life in the technological marvel of the park that allows this experience of heroism and adventure, but getting increasingly enthralled with the beauty and persona of the dolores-bot that's in front of him. like, finding yourself moved by watching a robot lose its grip, even though you know what it is? wouldn't that be interesting? i can feel the show TRYING to tell that story, but, not really doing it.

or at least having a moment of self-loathing after catching feelings and boning a robot. like, get a grip genius.

xp lol happy to help

goole, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 18:36 (four years ago) link

i think william's jealous of whoever "arnold" is, and the special connection dolores seems to have with him. so he's like fuck this place where i'm not the apple of your eye, 24/7

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 22:56 (four years ago) link

like, finding yourself moved by watching a robot lose its grip, even though you know what it is? wouldn't that be interesting? i can feel the show TRYING to tell that story, but, not really doing it.

except it sorta is? he's staying pure for logan's ritch bitch sister... except he's not.. except whoa wtf am i doing, get a grip william

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 22:57 (four years ago) link

many things in ep8 but it pretty much left me uninterested.
Agreed about the silly part with Dolores finally getting to the place she's been looking for... and then they just leave directly !
It also confirmed I really can't stand the terrible corporate evil bitch character. Almost enough to make me switch the thing off...
Actually, I'm "that" close to giving up on the serie...
At this point I think I mainly keep watching it because I've already invested too much time in it to give up now that the end of s1 is so close !
Also, couldn't Maeve be... Wyatt ? It's her claim about raising an army, her capacity to mess with the system, etc. that makes me wonder.
I have no idea if that would be possible/make sense with all the info we have so far (and I can't bother trying to think closely about it !).

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 24 November 2016 15:51 (four years ago) link

Also, couldn't Maeve be... Wyatt ? It's her claim about raising an army, her capacity to mess with the system, etc. that makes me wonder.

― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, November 24, 2016 10:51 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nice

lag∞n, Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:01 (four years ago) link

i thought they already showed wyatt at some point. I fell asleep when they discussed that dude's (the guy who was in love with dolores) backstory in episode 3 or 4 though when all that was introduced and have been slightly confused ever since.

akm, Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:11 (four years ago) link

hum. it's true that we see the mass shooting by Wyatt and we might see it's a guy... Thinking of it, isn't it the same shooting Dolores remembered when she entered the village in ep8 ?

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:16 (four years ago) link

Yeah, they showed us a picture of Wyatt, I'm pretty sure. He's a former army officer who's pulled a Colonel Kurtz.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 24 November 2016 19:05 (four years ago) link

there's no way that dude is actually Wyatt

it's Dolores, Maeve or maybe even Teddy

Number None, Thursday, 24 November 2016 19:23 (four years ago) link

i like the idea of it being maeve and her self awareness just being part of anthony hopkins scheme

lag∞n, Thursday, 24 November 2016 20:10 (four years ago) link

i can't bring myself to watch this after the terrible jeff wright reveal. i tried to continue last night but couldn't. all the characters are dire and boring. most of the acting is awful too but maybe that's the script.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 24 November 2016 20:10 (four years ago) link

no shame in that, it is objectively terrible on many levels

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 24 November 2016 20:19 (four years ago) link

Felt like this could be a really interesting and smart thing early on but has sadly revealed itself to... not be that. Will finish out the season. I'll check back in for S2 if people shout loud enough about it being actually good now.

circa1916, Friday, 25 November 2016 07:19 (four years ago) link

Oh, FUN thing too. It's missing a lot of that.

circa1916, Friday, 25 November 2016 07:23 (four years ago) link

Yeah, they showed us a picture of Wyatt, I'm pretty sure. He's a former army officer who's pulled a Colonel Kurtz.

yeah, they did say that at some point. So it wouldn't make sense if it turned out to be Maeve or Dolores, I guess...
And Teddy is supposed to have fought him so he should know.
but there's definitely something weird about Wyatt and his army. At first I thought they weren't hosts because they couldn't be shot by Teddy and other hosts. But then in ep8, Teddy actually killed one of the Wyatt guys so ... I don't know !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 25 November 2016 10:03 (four years ago) link

I can't even begin to give a shit about the Wyatt storyline or think of it as important

lex pretend, Friday, 25 November 2016 13:24 (four years ago) link

I mean what possible reason have we been given to be intrigued by it on any level beyond the show's own exposition

lex pretend, Friday, 25 November 2016 13:25 (four years ago) link

yeah, sure. but it's the same issue with all the plots in the show !
I don't even remember how it was introduced. It was simply a new story/villain that was uploaded in Teddy or Dolores'father, wasn't it ?

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 25 November 2016 13:55 (four years ago) link

yeah, but while I feel invested in Maeve because of the pace with which her storyline is moving, her dialogue and Thandie Newton's performance, and the potential of where it can go, I don't have any reason to even speculate about Wyatt aside - the show has intimated that he is extremely important but it's not clear why this is or what the stakes are. Shooting up a bunch of hosts ≠ real stakes

lex pretend, Friday, 25 November 2016 14:36 (four years ago) link

ah of course, agreed the Wyatt story is seriously underdeveloped... even by the (low) standards of the show !
but the Maeve one has serious flaws too, especially since I still don't understand why the two tech guys decided/had to obey her in the first place when it seemed so easy to just fix the problem in a second...
Anyway, I suppose we all agree, at this point, this show is a mess (with some redeeming qualities) !

AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 25 November 2016 15:00 (four years ago) link

Tonight's big reveal:

the robots can pee

Rob Boss (latebloomer), Monday, 28 November 2016 04:39 (four years ago) link

Yeah this episode was a decent workout for Jeffrey Wright but left me feeling a bit numb from all the obvious surprises

El Tomboto, Monday, 28 November 2016 04:45 (four years ago) link

The Assassination of Bernarnold by the Coward Robert Ford

mh 😏, Monday, 28 November 2016 05:13 (four years ago) link

I can't believe that's the first mention of Ford's name in that context on this thread. So on-the-nose

El Tomboto, Monday, 28 November 2016 05:33 (four years ago) link

Way to go Bernard btw, wasting all that time trying to remember who you really are instead of remembering that time you installed hardcoded root credentials on yourself and all the other hosts

El Tomboto, Monday, 28 November 2016 05:34 (four years ago) link

they reaaaally stretched out and milked the super obvious Arnold reveal. was that supposed to blow minds?

circa1916, Monday, 28 November 2016 13:42 (four years ago) link

guess if it hasn't been confirmed 100% already, the william/logan/dolores storyline is definitely set in the past. also seems nearly certain at this point that william = man in black. lot of the big fan conjectures made around ep 2-3 turning out to be correct.

circa1916, Monday, 28 November 2016 14:05 (four years ago) link

wtf I hadn't picked up on that at all. I also fell asleep again in the middle of this episode though.

akm, Monday, 28 November 2016 14:11 (four years ago) link

I guess that was confirmed by her having mechanical innards? I dunno. At this point I'm actually hoping William isn't the MIB because that seems to leave very little action in the finale that isn't already predicted.

Still no corpse for Elsie though, and Hemsworth might actually have something to do in the finale.

El Tomboto, Monday, 28 November 2016 14:15 (four years ago) link

the completely egregious and absurd fucking-in-a-burning-tent scene made this worth the price of admission

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Monday, 28 November 2016 14:20 (four years ago) link

mechanical innards is the main thing, yeah, but also that photo of William's fiance, which is discovered weathered and buried in the dirt in the "current" timeframe early on in the season.

circa1916, Monday, 28 November 2016 14:23 (four years ago) link

kudos to William for going completely batshit crazy

mh 😏, Monday, 28 November 2016 15:23 (four years ago) link

Yeah he thought he was playing Stardew Valley, then realized he's just another murderhobo

El Tomboto, Monday, 28 November 2016 15:36 (four years ago) link

how could william be the man in black? Dolores wearing the william-era outfit goes back to the church, remembers her history and shit (the outfit shifts show when she's remembering vs what's happening now - now = the william narrative), and then she comes but up the confession booth into the church and the man in black walks in. unless william turned into ed harris in like 20 minutes how could ed harris = mcpoyle?

Mordy, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:11 (four years ago) link

wtf I hadn't picked up on that at all. I also fell asleep again in the middle of this episode though.

― akm, Monday, November 28, 2016 9:11 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

im with u brother

lag∞n, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:18 (four years ago) link

i'm with mordy on that timeline theory still seeming janky, but dolores is kind of the textbook definition of an unreliable narrator by now

we're all agree that in the "present" of the show the old town is still buried, right, and any time we see it as anything other than a burned up church steeple poking out, it's a flashback

mh 😏, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:23 (four years ago) link

maybe? i thought maybe ford suggested they were going to dig it back up?

Mordy, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:26 (four years ago) link

how could william be the man in black? Dolores wearing the william-era outfit goes back to the church, remembers her history and shit (the outfit shifts show when she's remembering vs what's happening now - now = the william narrative), and then she comes but up the confession booth into the church and the man in black walks in. unless william turned into ed harris in like 20 minutes how could ed harris = mcpoyle?

― Mordy, Monday, November 28, 2016 11:11 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Are you assuming the same version of her that escaped after being stabbed is the one that found the church?

Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:27 (four years ago) link

ford suggested it and it's been kind of a red herring so far in that we're like "uhh maybe they finished digging it up" but it's been all flashbacks

mh 😏, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:28 (four years ago) link

yeah, Ford has had the town dug up in the current time.

will have to watch that church segment again, the costume changes/memory/time fuckery was pretty thick there.

circa1916, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:30 (four years ago) link

Are you assuming the same version of her that escaped after being stabbed is the one that found the church?

i need someone to break it down for me by outfit but it seems like she's wearing the same clothing (slick shooter Dolores) when she escapes as she is when she finds the church, and that she's wearing the homestead Dolores outfit in the flashbacks. i guess it could be she escaped wearing slick shooter edition clothing and also re-found the church much later once again wearing that outfit.

Mordy, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:32 (four years ago) link

the clothes r nice on this show btw

lag∞n, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:33 (four years ago) link

yeah for sure. i don't even care that the show doesn't make any sense i still enjoy watching it. it turns out that w/ enough sex + violence i don't care if there's much of a plot.

Mordy, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:34 (four years ago) link

ed harris's dude being on the board of delos, surprising or no

mh 😏, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:37 (four years ago) link

love how the corporate lady showed up and neither of them commented on the fact that ed harris was just almost murdered by the robots

lag∞n, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:40 (four years ago) link

I feel bad for him, he's wanted to get robot murdered for quite a while and it's still not quite happening

hopefully he gets the full-on, bang-up, robot murder/mutilation he wants

mh 😏, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:41 (four years ago) link

yeah that wldve been a lil bit of a let down of a robot murder imo

lag∞n, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:42 (four years ago) link

What's not making too much sense to me right now, is that there was a scene where Ford was overlooking the buried town which looked identical to the way it looked when Dolores and "young" William found it. But Ford also showed up to chat with Ed Harris in the bar. And now Ed harris shows up in the unburied town. Therefore something about this triangle of people/places doesn't make sense to me, unless we're to believe Ford dug up the town or rebuilt it perfectly at some point between the first time he looks on at it (remember this is the first time he interacts with the young boy host) and the time in which Ed Harris walks into the church.

Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:51 (four years ago) link

hoping this ends like lost with everyone extremely mad at the tv show people for not making any sense

lag∞n, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:53 (four years ago) link

Are you assuming the same version of her that escaped after being stabbed is the one that found the church?

i need someone to break it down for me by outfit but it seems like she's wearing the same clothing (slick shooter Dolores) when she escapes as she is when she finds the church, and that she's wearing the homestead Dolores outfit in the flashbacks. i guess it could be she escaped wearing slick shooter edition clothing and also re-found the church much later once again wearing that outfit.

― Mordy, Monday, November 28, 2016 11:32 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Particular outfit aside, what's really telling though is that her stab wound disappears. This suggests that she is tracking down the town/church on a different trip (or "life" to put it video-gamey) than the one she was supposedly just on with Mcpoyle. Despite the clothing. I mean, the clothing could just represent an adventure storyline version of her that can be triggered in a number of ways. The blue dress represents the stay in town / home massacre storyline for her.

Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 16:56 (four years ago) link

there were a couple of really surprisingly unlikely things that opened the episode. it makes absolutely no sense at all that Maeve, even after the self-hacking, would be able to command Bernard, but it made for fun television

mh 😏, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:00 (four years ago) link

it was hard to catch but right before she started commanding him she whispered "sudo"

lag∞n, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:02 (four years ago) link

Wouldn't you have asked that about how she could control the hosts inside the park, too? Same deal as Bernard no? I just assumed that after she made herself super-smart she went ahead and gave herself some Apple genius admin privileges.

Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:07 (four years ago) link

they really buried the lede on this cornerstone memory shit

so each character has some sort of loss that defines them, and somehow that can be rewritten through traumatic experiences

mh 😏, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:07 (four years ago) link

no? I mean, the hosts in the park are like low tier androids compared to Bernard, who lives with the real people (to the point managers didn't know he was an android). Maeve's model even having the ability to get Bernard-level privileges is pretty wild, let alone being able to override him

mh 😏, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:10 (four years ago) link

im realizing i slept through a lot of the show but i dont want to rewatch it can someone explain what happened with bernard, im gather that it was revealed that hes an arnold clone and then anthony hopkins turned him off?

lag∞n, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:11 (four years ago) link

no? I mean, the hosts in the park are like low tier androids compared to Bernard, who lives with the real people (to the point managers didn't know he was an android). Maeve's model even having the ability to get Bernard-level privileges is pretty wild, let alone being able to override him

― mh 😏, Monday, November 28, 2016 12:10 PM (forty-seven seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'd agree with you but since it happened I imagine its assumed she must have figured it out. Either that or Bernard never once accidentally got frozen by a co-worker jokingly asking him to freeze all motor functions during a team building lunch. Dodged that bullet.

Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:15 (four years ago) link

bernard is a special boy

bob ford hopkins was sad that arnold got killed (by dolores, apparently, who was meeting with him in a secret room under the church in buriedtown) and, years later, created bernard as an arnold simulacrum to talk to and make androids with

but people were starting to catch on to ford's plans so he had bernard kill a couple ppl, after which bernard gets wiped back to not knowing he's not a real boy. maeve is now superuser and clues bernard back in

bernard confronts ford and makes him restore *all* of his memories back to the beginning and that's how he finds out he's meant to be fake arnold

mh 😏, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:16 (four years ago) link

oh yeah and it doesn't matter because ford still has secret override codes under the other override codes and tells bernard to off himself

very rude imo

mh 😏, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:17 (four years ago) link

unbelievable

lag∞n, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:18 (four years ago) link

you'd think he wouldn't kill his most interesting and entertaining android, but there you go

mh 😏, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:20 (four years ago) link

hes kind of a dick imo

lag∞n, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:22 (four years ago) link

ford or bernard? ford is for sure

mh 😏, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:23 (four years ago) link

Seems like an odd thing to accept there is a universe where this giant behemoth of an adult disneyworld exists and we're to assume the corresponding wiki entry has no info or images of Arnold in it. The show seems to have prioritized the excitement of having a REVEAL over the logic of such a reveal not making any sense, really.

Unless... you think Walt had a now forgotten business partner who looked a whole lot like Mickey in the beginning?

Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:24 (four years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/NqeEbyW.jpg

lag∞n, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:25 (four years ago) link

i highly doubt that's the last we see of bernard, and not just because his voiceover was in the preview clip for the finale

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Monday, 28 November 2016 17:26 (four years ago) link

Mickey is real

fwiw I'd had some drinks before watching this episode and was thinking about how we've only seen Wyatt in flashback, and the programs/personas of the hosts have been shown to be transferrable between bodies so maybe we've already seen Wyatt and he (OR IS IT A HE NOW) has been around

or maybe someone _becomes) Wyatt, idk

my first thought was "Maeve is Wyatt, lol" but that makes no sense at all plotwise

mh 😏, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:27 (four years ago) link

Still waiting to figure out what is even significant about this Wyatt. All I know is he was/is a host that had an error or a storyline installed that went on a rampage and made things a bit more annoying for the clean up crew that particular day.

Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:35 (four years ago) link

and went*

Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:36 (four years ago) link

that made*

dammit

Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:36 (four years ago) link

you know, we've been shown two different characters that went on killing rampages, now that I think about it. hmmm.

mh 😏, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:36 (four years ago) link

All I know is he was/is a host that had an error or a storyline installed that went on a rampage and made things a bit more annoying for the clean up crew that particular day.

do we even know that? could just be an implanted memory no?

Mordy, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:41 (four years ago) link

lol what if arnold's secret plot was implanting a "real" cornerstone memory in deep host consciousness and that cornerstone is a memory of them killing everyone in sight

mh 😏, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:46 (four years ago) link

All I know is he was/is a host that had an error or a storyline installed that went on a rampage and made things a bit more annoying for the clean up crew that particular day.

do we even know that? could just be an implanted memory no?

― Mordy, Monday, November 28, 2016 12:41 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

True- please revise to insert "presumably" in there.

Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:48 (four years ago) link

VF's rundown of this episode does the best job explaining the different timelines (there's THREE of 'em!)

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/11/westworld-recap-season-1-episode-9-well-tempered-clavier

I'm disappointed I haven't seen a GIF yet of Maeve figuring out Bernard is a host. They should make an episode with no dialogue, just Thandie Newton doing stuff with her eyes

El Tomboto, Monday, 28 November 2016 19:51 (four years ago) link

i'd buy that explanation

mh 😏, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:10 (four years ago) link

We know that Ford told Teddy the Wyatt story is a “fiction that, like all good stories, is rooted in truth.”

Forgot (or missed?) this was stated so baldly.

circa1916, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:16 (four years ago) link

so... it didn't sound like anything to you?

sleepingbag, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:24 (four years ago) link

billy cant be the man in black cause ppl arent more attractive when theyre 70 than they were when theyre 35

lag∞n, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:55 (four years ago) link

maybe in the future they are

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 28 November 2016 20:57 (four years ago) link

o shit

lag∞n, Monday, 28 November 2016 20:58 (four years ago) link

Maybe you just find Ed Harris attractive because you think you can fix him.

Evan, Monday, 28 November 2016 21:01 (four years ago) link

lmao

lag∞n, Monday, 28 November 2016 21:14 (four years ago) link

it all explains so much

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Monday, 28 November 2016 22:28 (four years ago) link

i enjoyed that vanity fair piece so much more than the episode

lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 00:41 (four years ago) link

u guys are such haters

Mordy, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 00:50 (four years ago) link

Ha, now I've come to terms with my lowered expectations, am finally enjoying this show again.

I presume/hope that's not it for Jeffrey Wright, what with him being the most interesting actor on the show and all? I mean, it's not like it's livid with great characters and they can afford to kill Sean Bean this time 'round.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 01:30 (four years ago) link

hopefully there's a scene with an endless stream of Bernards flooding out of an underground vault

mh 😏, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 02:26 (four years ago) link

It's a little weird that Angela is played by Elon Musk's on-again off-again wife, right?

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 02:30 (four years ago) link

hired for her experience with replicants

mh 😏, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 02:37 (four years ago) link

mh 😏
Posted: November 28, 2016 at 7:26:42 PM
hopefully there's a scene with an endless stream of Bernards flooding out of an underground vault

ah "the multiplicity" v nice

lag∞n, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 02:54 (four years ago) link

Wright will survive. Hopkins is definitely dying in the last episode

Number None, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 08:12 (four years ago) link

oh what a mess ep9 was !
at this point I don't even try to understand anything cos... who cares, it's just killings/mass shootings (William's final scene...) and reveals at random !
the Bernard story gets quite irritating (all these flashbacks with his kid... enough already !).
Actually, all the flashbacks get really annoying. reminds me of Lost when you had to go through the multiple flashbacks for ALL the characters...
also, why didn't the indians obey the order from the security guy ? so they're humans ?

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 10:57 (four years ago) link

and since it's been revealed Bernard is a host, don't you find he ACTS like one (i.e he's not played like he was before) ?
a bit too obivous...

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 10:59 (four years ago) link

kind of hilarious to see these HUGE REVEALS drawn out so slowly and in the end they're just what the internet's been talking about for 6 weeks. I don't think this is so much an internet fandom issue so much as poor, overly sparse writing - if you actually write, you know, enough things happening, that tends to divert speculation from getting too rampant.

not a fan of the episode opening with yet another brilliant Maeve seen then all but abandoning her for the rest of the running time. Dolores's plod towards sentience is so tedious in comparison plus it doesn't help that they're using her glitches to switch between timelines seemingly at random and that she has to play off that wet blanket William. (Kind of wanted to cheer Logan's real talk speech even he is meant to be the douche.)

Think what I want most is for Ford to be blindsided at some point (ie by Maeve) rather than him just giving that smirk yet again when it's revealed every dramatic twist or "twist" was part of his story the whole time.

On the plus side I think they're poking at some really interesting ideas, maybe not enough but I'm enjoying this increasing theme of becoming through suffering - the way accumulated trauma comes to override the programmed "cornerstone memory" to become something else.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 11:11 (four years ago) link

I still think the main problem with all their mysteries is that they're not very interesting to begin with. So it's not that big a deal when they reveal something.
Logan was indeed not insufferable for the first time ! William's mass murder doesn't really make sense, but eh...
as for the Wyatt plot, it seems he can be anybody now (Teddy apparently ?).
Maeve starts recruiting for her army to mess with the world of the gods (I guess they will kill many humans at the HQ ? something Dolores seems to have done already in the old HQ ?)

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 12:00 (four years ago) link

there's a derek zoolander quality to these guys...

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 13:59 (four years ago) link

this is one of those shows that's really fun to watch, but i can't imagine wanting to see an episode twice (beyond seeing if the internal logic holds up).

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 15:25 (four years ago) link

I rewatch to admire the cinematography and also to look really hard at the naked hosts

mh 😏, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 15:27 (four years ago) link

i did watch the last episode again and enjoyed it because I watched to make more sense of the time shifts; and when you watch and pay attention to those things, it actually does seem to hold up

akm, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 16:24 (four years ago) link

yeah I feel rewatching would be helpful and worthwhile in piecing together clues and timelines but there isn't a single scene compelling enough in and of itself to revisit

(kinda like the flip of Orphan Black, which packed so many plot points and character beats into every episode - at the expense of the overarching plot's sense, but it always kept you in the moment in a way Westworld fails to)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 16:45 (four years ago) link

(also telling that Orphan Black got an equally hardcore, if smaller, cult fanbase, but speculation about twists etc is largely at normal levels)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 16:46 (four years ago) link

It is nice, after years of seeing the internet's theories about Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones turn to dust, that finally we have a prestige show whose big reveals were predicted by the second episode.

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 17:11 (four years ago) link

Seems like an odd thing to accept there is a universe where this giant behemoth of an adult disneyworld exists and we're to assume the corresponding wiki entry has no info or images of Arnold in it. The show seems to have prioritized the excitement of having a REVEAL over the logic of such a reveal not making any sense in its own universe, really.

Unless... you think Walt had a now forgotten business partner who looked a whole lot like Mickey in the beginning?

― Evan, Monday, November 28, 2016 12:24 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Reiterating this as to me it is probably the biggest issue that is the hardest to explain away in my opinion.

Evan, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 17:24 (four years ago) link

http://a2.files.biography.com/image/upload/c_fit,cs_srgb,dpr_1.0,q_80,w_620/MTI2MDUwMjQ3NzMzNDYzMDUw.jpg

this doesn't really look like anything

mh 😏, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 17:25 (four years ago) link

maybe the existence of Arnold isn't public knowledge in this world?

Mordy, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 17:38 (four years ago) link

That doesn't seem likely in a futuristic world. Personally I feel like, though fictional here, a more advanced society would proportionately have that much more access to information.

You would imagine super popular future theme parks of all places would have documentaries and detailed histories of their beginnings and those involved- definitely more info about the founders.

Most importantly, the people highest up in the same company would be MOST likely to know some basic company history, so one of them might stumble on a realization that their own Bernard looks very much like this Arnold guy eventually. In this case it just seems the suspension of disbelief is a bit on overdrive to say things like "Ford perfectly erased any history of Arnold" from both the public and the employees there, to the point where he can confidently make an Arnold replica disguised as a different actual human and have it go unnoticed. Arnold's involvement was only 35 years prior, after all.

Evan, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 17:56 (four years ago) link

This is a future where people can't smuggle some fucking code out of their own robot theme park

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 19:15 (four years ago) link

Walt Disney was a major worldwide celebrity long before he built Disneyland. Off the top of your head, what's the name of the person who started Six Flags?

In this case it just seems the suspension of disbelief is a bit on overdrive to say things like "Ford perfectly erased any history of Arnold" from both the public and the employees there, to the point where he can confidently make an Arnold replica disguised as a different actual human and have it go unnoticed.

But everyone who worked there was killed by Dolores. The new people are probably all robots.

wk, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:05 (four years ago) link

It was Mr. Flag and his five brothers, duh

mh 😏, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:06 (four years ago) link

The new people are probably all robots.

New ZOMGtwist: if he isn't a robot already, Ford is busily robotifying himself to live forever, leapfrogging from body to body "Being John Malkovich" style.

marzipandemonium (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:14 (four years ago) link

"The new people are probably all robots."

I was wondering; was Bernard's memory of theresa freezing up on the bed a glitcy false robot memory, or was she a robot also?

akm, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 20:39 (four years ago) link

Walt Disney was a major worldwide celebrity long before he built Disneyland. Off the top of your head, what's the name of the person who started Six Flags?

― wk, Tuesday, November 29, 2016 3:05 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not knowing something off the top of my particular head doesn't prove much. What about the people who do know? OK it was Angus G. Wynne. This kind of info is easily to google.

OK say google or internet style archives of info are not part of this show's universe somehow...

Wouldn't Ford worry that any of the employees, especially the higher ups, might look into this basic info about the history of their own company? The founders are a big part of that story.

I mean my whole point here is that you have to work very hard to justify why this can make sense in the show's universe, hard enough that it's more likely to be a big oversight in the writing. Clearly the focus was on creating a scenario that is a big exciting story reveal for the sake of the audience at the expense of not fitting cleanly in to the story otherwise.

Evan, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 21:48 (four years ago) link

The hosts are the key part of the park, but it's not even implied Ford and Arnold created them on their own -- neither one is implied to be an expert in animatronics, let alone whatever advanced biological machines they now have in the wild, unless I missed that piece of the story. They're artificial intelligence programmers, and not the only ones who have worked in that realm, even if they were originators of a lot of the concepts and deeper code still in use.

The idea of individuals who were key in creating projects later being erased from the official story is definitely not unique to Westworld. It's like any large, semi-faceless corporate entity -- there are public facing people, and some individuals might get recognition in their own industries or promoted and recognized internally via promotion or incentives, but even then there's no guarantee that the guy who is on the patents for host cognition was necessarily the one who did all the lab work. Especially if they were filed after he was killed by his own work and the company covered it up.

mh 😏, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:06 (four years ago) link

what if there was a secret co-founder of Disney that's ungoogleable because he was so super secret

think about it

Number None, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:08 (four years ago) link

after all, the first appearance of Mickey Mouse was in a demo reel that had a single animator. that animator was not Walt Disney

now, imagine the actual animator got hit by a car after finishing all that work and Walt had no reason to ever acknowledge he existed

mh 😏, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:11 (four years ago) link

I'd rather imagine he got killed by Mickey after he achieved sentience but yeah, I'll go along with it

Number None, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:14 (four years ago) link

The idea of individuals who were key in creating projects later being erased from the official story is definitely not unique to Westworld. It's like any large, semi-faceless corporate entity -- there are public facing people, and some individuals might get recognition in their own industries or promoted and recognized internally via promotion or incentives, but even then there's no guarantee that the guy who is on the patents for host cognition was necessarily the one who did all the lab work. Especially if they were filed after he was killed by his own work and the company covered it up.

― mh 😏, Tuesday, November 29, 2016 5:06 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Still, too many assumptions to make about how perfectly Ford erased someone he called his "partner". He isn't worried there isn't one employee left celebrating 35+ years on the job, bumping into Bernard in the elevator and freaking out? There's all sorts of other likely potential issues he would have to have prepared for. This particular semi-faceless company would be also hiding images and record of the former "partner" from themselves/those that run it currently. AKA it's up to Ford completely to have thought of everything. Imagine how much less story implausible justifying we would have to do if Bernard simply was a different looking person than Arnold. Therefore, again, works as a fun character twist for the audience but doesn't fit so nicely into the story otherwise.

Evan, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:44 (four years ago) link

someone from the board coming to visit was seen as pretty unexpected

idk I don't have to justify it, ppl who have run into Bernard don't know what Arnold looked like, end of line

mh 😏, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:57 (four years ago) link

it's not like someone has sat there reminiscing about chilling w/Arnold, saw Bernard walk past, and didn't bat an eye

mh 😏, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 22:58 (four years ago) link

someone from the board coming to visit was seen as pretty unexpected

idk I don't have to justify it, ppl who have run into Bernard don't know what Arnold looked like, end of line

― mh 😏, Tuesday, November 29, 2016 5:57 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Exactly, so if he can't prepare for everything then building an Arnold replica is quite risky.

Ultimately- whatever, it bothers me uniquely because it can't be explained away as easily as anything else that doesn't quite make sense. That's all.

Evan, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 23:04 (four years ago) link

if someone did figure it out he'd prob just be like oh yeah that's my robot lol

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 23:06 (four years ago) link

Exactly, so if he can't prepare for everything then building an Arnold replica is quite risky.

he also appears to be totally insane so maybe he just thought "ah, fuck it"

Number None, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 23:06 (four years ago) link

I mean he's more in the calculated evil genius mold at the moment which is sort of opposite, but I'll go with that.

Evan, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 23:10 (four years ago) link

so bernard is a robot & also arnold huh, looks like everybody in the entire world guessed right. wish they'd just had one unbelievably long slow boring reveal for both those pieces of information instead of two. How many of these are left? The fun is draining out so fast for me.

I did like post-massacre psychobilly doing his most mcpoyley acting yet.

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 23:32 (four years ago) link

he really should have said he was thirsty from killing all those robots and could use a big old glass of milk

mh 😏, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 01:05 (four years ago) link

lmao

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 03:21 (four years ago) link

since there's only one ep left I guess they're going to empty their bag of reveals in that one : it will be christmas !
(and they'll try to figure out how to make sense of it all in the next season...) like they did in the middle of s1...

Production was temporarily halted for a couple of months in early 2016 so that showrunners Nolan and Joy could complete the scripts for the last four episodes of the first season

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 10:23 (four years ago) link

what is even left to reveal other than that William = MiB

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 12:12 (four years ago) link

oh I'm sure they will find plenty of things to surprise us...

what's up with the MAZE ! the new story/world built by Ford in the part under construction of the park ! Maeve becomes a member of the board ! Dolores' former father is Wyatt ! Logan fucks Elsie's corpse and brings her back to life ! Dolores and Teddy are reunited and kill everybody they meet (which definitely pushes William to the dark side and he steals Logan's black clothes) ! the security guy kidnapped by the indians becomes one of them with the name little big man ! the host dog killed by the kid following Bernard/Arnold's order contained all the big data ! the asian tech guy brings Theresa back to life after his successful attempt with the bird ! Charlotte is killed in the british story guy's story/plot against Ford !

and of course, many more massacres !

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 12:29 (four years ago) link

Elsie is probably still alive. No onscreen death typically says as much in these shows.

circa1916, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 13:14 (four years ago) link

yeah, definitely. speaking of which, as someone pointed out upthread, Bernard being able to get there to get her while he was still with Theresa when she called him was a bit eh...

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 13:23 (four years ago) link

very glad that Bernard and Arnold are same dude now, since I couldn't keep their names straight

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 13:38 (four years ago) link

Bernarnold J. Exposition

aaaaaaaauuuuuuuuu (melting robot) (WilliamC), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 13:40 (four years ago) link

I suspect if the last episode isn't mindblowing we will have to deal with some whiny internet letdown narrative until season 2, which will be way more annoying than the actual show

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 15:15 (four years ago) link

I suppose but I doubt anyone will force you to consume westworld content in the interim

Evan, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 15:30 (four years ago) link

Kind of looking forward to the finale not being mindblowing, which will mean I can have closure on a mildly disappointing but not wholly worthless cultural product and never have to think about it again

lex pretend, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 15:41 (four years ago) link

I have a horrible feeling they're saving Full Maeve for s2 though

lex pretend, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 15:42 (four years ago) link

I think they will go for a wtf cliffhanger that the shitty british dickhead author would be proud of !

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 15:46 (four years ago) link

i see a secondary market for a S1 DVD - insomniacs

this show is all kinds of inconsistent but I don't care, I still find it very enjoyable. except I do fall asleep in the middle of every episode for five-ten minutes.

― akm, Tuesday, 15 November 2016 14:19 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i'm not gonna lie i fell asleep at least once during that last ep

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 18 November 2016 08:25 (one week ago) Permalink

whats up w that town thats only a church steeple, thx in advance i fell asleep some

― lag∞n, Monday, 21 November 2016 17:04 (one week ago) Permalink

i thought they already showed wyatt at some point. I fell asleep when they discussed that dude's (the guy who was in love with dolores) backstory in episode 3 or 4 though when all that was introduced and have been slightly confused ever since.

― akm, Thursday, 24 November 2016 16:11 (six days ago) Permalink

wtf I hadn't picked up on that at all. I also fell asleep again in the middle of this episode though.

― akm, Monday, 28 November 2016 14:11 (two days ago) Permalink

im realizing i slept through a lot of the show but i dont want to rewatch it can someone explain what happened with bernard, im gather that it was revealed that hes an arnold clone and then anthony hopkins turned him off?

― lag∞n, Monday, 28 November 2016 17:11 (two days ago) Permalink

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 15:51 (four years ago) link

ha ha I typically fall asleep in the last ten minutes of each episode and figure I pretty much know what happened

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 15:57 (four years ago) link

I fell asleep in three of the mid-season episodes too

lex pretend, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 15:57 (four years ago) link

I love Star Trek & Wars and consistently fall asleep through them. Maybe part of the charm

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 16:09 (four years ago) link

I never fell asleep. but got more and more bored/impatient...
there must be something genius in this show to make people keep watching despite that !

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 16:13 (four years ago) link

this thread is v much "the food here is terrible ... and in such small portions" territory

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 16:27 (four years ago) link

the thing abt this show is the concepts are good but the execution is bad

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 16:28 (four years ago) link

haha yep fell asleep a few times here too, normally that only happens around midnight

just another (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 16:49 (four years ago) link

this thread is v much "the food here is terrible ... and in such small portions" territory

eheh, yeah touché !
let's say the show started with strong potential and aroused expectations... and then disappointed week after week with its many flaws and shortcomings... hence the (many) questions and criticisms !
or like Lagoon said !
I'm not sure I'll stay with them for s2 but I'm definitely curious about the season finale !

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 16:52 (four years ago) link

Who is the only character in Westworld that will turn out not to have been a robot?
The Old Boss in the basement probably

Bnad, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 18:22 (four years ago) link

its robots controlled by turtles, my theory

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 19:56 (four years ago) link

what if they take a really interesting turn and Ford reports to his masters, the alien greys, in the last episode

mh 😏, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 20:23 (four years ago) link

Queen Elizabeth in her reptilian form arrives in HBO-series-crossover shocka

pattypandemic (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 20:35 (four years ago) link

in last episode the robots leave the park and find out that Earth has been a nuclear wasteland for decades. One of them picks up a charred "Trump 2020" poster and says, "If only they'd known. If only they had a warning."

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 21:14 (four years ago) link

OMG i thought don't-call-me-billy was about to take logan's hand there..

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 22:59 (four years ago) link

not sure how many more scenes we need of anthony hopkins walking aimlessly around some furniture while he delivers page after page of dry backstory

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 23:03 (four years ago) link

four

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Wednesday, 30 November 2016 23:08 (four years ago) link

this hopkins performance is one of the most mailed in things ive ever seen

lag∞n, Wednesday, 30 November 2016 23:42 (four years ago) link

I was just remembering more perfunctory acting jobs to list and groaned so hard in memory I strained my back

mh 😏, Thursday, 1 December 2016 03:14 (four years ago) link

and why has Ford stopped having chats and drinks with buffalo bill in the fridge ?
maybe it's time to have a poll about our favourite character in the show. I suppose Maeve would win it easily. Or Dolores.

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 1 December 2016 11:42 (four years ago) link

Lawrence

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 1 December 2016 13:43 (four years ago) link

well, Lawrence seemed to matter and be important for a while... then he totally disappeared !

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 1 December 2016 13:53 (four years ago) link

The forced gravitas in this show is excruciating

calstars, Thursday, 1 December 2016 14:12 (four years ago) link

I need at least one more Hopkins speech about anthropology

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 1 December 2016 14:30 (four years ago) link

Maybe at some point Hopkins will eat someone (or a host).
"I like to consume them moist !"

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 1 December 2016 14:38 (four years ago) link

also, I realized recently that Harris had played in another show blurring the line between reality and virtuality... the truman show !

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 1 December 2016 14:40 (four years ago) link

maybe it's time to have a poll about our favourite character in the show. I suppose Maeve would win it easily. Or Dolores.

i think they both put in v good performances (and they're both super h0t).

Mordy, Thursday, 1 December 2016 14:44 (four years ago) link

if yr into bots

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 1 December 2016 14:46 (four years ago) link

the hydraulic model sexier than the genetic material model - pistons really rev my engine

Mordy, Thursday, 1 December 2016 14:47 (four years ago) link

Regarding Maeve/T. Newton I think she must have the contract with the most nudity in it or something. she's naked like half of her screentime !

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 1 December 2016 14:50 (four years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CykSO_BVEAAZHU4.jpg

lag∞n, Thursday, 1 December 2016 18:14 (four years ago) link

It is nice, after years of seeing the internet's theories about Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones turn to dust, that finally we have a prestige show whose big reveals were predicted by the second episode.

― duped and used by my worst Miss U

I was really into Breaking Bad, but even with all the fan-theories about anagrams and colors and whatever, the show's creators were intentionally throwing curveballs that only somewhat rewarded the close-watchers/Internet predictions, but ended up taking the show to even higher heights that nobody predicted. With Westworld, the whole multiple timelines/Bernard Lowe-Arnold Weber/William is the Man in Black/THE MAZE stuff seems like it only rewards the close-watchers by giving them the gratification of proving them right, and episode 9 was only there to spell it out for the more casual watchers.

naus, Friday, 2 December 2016 05:41 (four years ago) link

finally caught up.
for my money, the show took a bad turn at the beginning of episode six; up until then it was dumb but fun. since then it's been a painful slog toward obvious conclusions.
Geoffrey Wright should be getting paid twice what he is being paid; he's the only one of the actors who is elevating the very very bad material.
glad this is ending tonight right after i finished the last three eps; it has not been v rewarding.

A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Sunday, 4 December 2016 19:33 (four years ago) link

I've finally caught up, too.
I really like loads of things about this show but it is really testing my patience. I hate how you can't tell if plot holes or huge gaps in world-building are stylistic choices, CENTRAL MYSTERY, bad writing, or we'll make it up as we go along. The Truman Show aspect at the beginning was quite cute but that's gotten lost and it feels more like... Lost

Brit writer guy is terrible, he's worse than Gaius Baltar. Main control room looks like BBC News at Ten.
I'm watching s2 of Humans alongside this and that seems a more perfunctory 'what if robots came to life' so at least this has oldey westy capers in as a different angle I guess. The dad in Humans could be the douchey tech in this though, it's confusing me.

I still don't really care about anyone in this, except Maeve and Bernard I guess.

kinder, Sunday, 4 December 2016 23:00 (four years ago) link

I imagine that binging this would be bad. It's been okay watching it one hour a week, but if I had to "catch up" and ingest 2+ hours of it at a sitting it seems likely I'd be napping and hating too

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 December 2016 00:33 (four years ago) link

even at approx ten hours, it's vastly over elongated.

A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 5 December 2016 00:34 (four years ago) link

The Truman Show aspect at the beginning was quite cute but that's gotten lost and it feels more like... Lost

― kinder, Sunday, December 4, 2016 6:00 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha i had exactly the same thought, tho tbf lost was more fun

lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2016 00:35 (four years ago) link

combining prestige and trash signifiers isnt that easy, everyone trying to be game of throne but that show has really good preapproved successful plotting

lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2016 00:37 (four years ago) link

also Lost was pretty good at eliciting an actual emotional reaction for a good part of its run, even when other aspects were rapidly falling apart

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 5 December 2016 00:39 (four years ago) link

i like this show a lot as a meditation on how we experience ourselves v. other ppl, and associated themes.. the particulars of the whos or whats usually aren't necessarily interesting to me in and of themselves, but they almost all work toward those ideas imo so they don't bug me either. a lot of scenes are more fun to interpret than to watch. i didn't watch lost or thrones so who knows, maybe those shows do this kinda thing better. but yah, psyched for the finale

sleepingbag, Monday, 5 December 2016 00:46 (four years ago) link

the aspect I find interesting, though it hasn't really been explored too much (I don't know if they intend to really), is the idea that the "easiest" / most basically effective character motivation is tragedy, which also happens to be the organizing block of ~the prestige drama~. I kind of like the idea of fictional characters getting fed up with this idea and learning to rebel in search of new stories. (sort of a violent fictional manifestation of the limits of post-modernism.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 5 December 2016 00:50 (four years ago) link

So we live bloggin the finale or what

calstars, Monday, 5 December 2016 00:51 (four years ago) link

ok lol that sucked

sleepingbag, Monday, 5 December 2016 03:37 (four years ago) link

god bless billy got what he wanted

mh 😏, Monday, 5 December 2016 03:40 (four years ago) link

true to the source material, westworld is a story where every human dies

because on the pirates of the caribbean, the pirates really should kill all the people on the ride

mh 😏, Monday, 5 December 2016 03:41 (four years ago) link

Felix and Armistice kind of made the finale, imo

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 December 2016 03:53 (four years ago) link

Slightly disappointed that Elsie / Security Hemsworth didn't get tied up but it would appear that they decided to leave as many loose ends as possible with the only exception being Anthony Hopkins

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 December 2016 03:58 (four years ago) link

still seems possible that they could bring him back, saying that who actually got shot was a host he made special for the occasion

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 5 December 2016 04:06 (four years ago) link

this was garbage; kind of exhausting how tiring every step of exposition must be. they really think their audience is stupid.

A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 5 December 2016 04:19 (four years ago) link

well you keep watching it

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 December 2016 04:24 (four years ago) link

i'm good and done now

A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 5 December 2016 04:25 (four years ago) link

Yeah this was lame as hell

circa1916, Monday, 5 December 2016 04:37 (four years ago) link

man, j nolan's dumbass musings on consciousness really make me appreciate d lindelof

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 5 December 2016 04:53 (four years ago) link

I dunno, the idea that there have been (and still are) people who haven't realized the voice in their head is actually themselves might explain 60 million votes for Donald Trump

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 December 2016 05:08 (four years ago) link

My hopes from the start were were for a) eastworld and b) full-on robot uprising by end of season, and we got both. can't complain.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:10 (four years ago) link

WHO IS PUMPED FOR S2

Karl Malone, Monday, 5 December 2016 05:11 (four years ago) link

in season 2 they should up the % of robots that are naked the first time they're introduced

Karl Malone, Monday, 5 December 2016 05:12 (four years ago) link

in season two all the robots are clothed but the people are naked do u c

A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:16 (four years ago) link

i like how anthony hopkins' agent shrewdly negotiated his exit from the series before his participation in it rises to wikipedia paragraph 2 level

Karl Malone, Monday, 5 December 2016 05:20 (four years ago) link

otoh two different series this year used "Exit Music (For a Film)" to score their closing montages and can we please stop this shit forever

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:20 (four years ago) link

oh shit, it's already in the last sentence of paragraph 2! better find a new agent tonester

Karl Malone, Monday, 5 December 2016 05:21 (four years ago) link

it was obvious to me that they were gonna need to shed at least one of their Big Movie Stars by season's end. shit's expensive enough.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:21 (four years ago) link

luckily, the really bad actress who plays the board member and the really bad actor who plays the storyline writer are still around

Karl Malone, Monday, 5 December 2016 05:23 (four years ago) link

with regards to hosts wearing clothes, can an old guy talk about the garden of eden, so I understand the metaphor?

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 December 2016 05:24 (four years ago) link

this was garbage; kind of exhausting how tiring every step of exposition must be. they really think their audience is stupid.

― A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 5 December 2016 04:19 (one hour ago) Permalink

That's the thing about sci-fi shows/movies in this vein: explain too much everyone complains, explain too little everyone complains.

Fiddle Catstro (latebloomer), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:39 (four years ago) link

dude, the big reveal that mcpoyle is actually ed harris took like ten minutes
basically everyone on this thread figured that out in episode two

A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:40 (four years ago) link

I was referring to the use of exposition, not the "twists"

Fiddle Catstro (latebloomer), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:46 (four years ago) link

I was just trying to say these kinds of stories are rarely satisfying because it's an inherent defect in the genre

Fiddle Catstro (latebloomer), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:47 (four years ago) link

i agree the degree of difficulty is high within the genre but this show is outright airballing free throws

A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 5 December 2016 05:49 (four years ago) link

there's nothing inherent in the genre that requires shotgunning out a bunch of characters whose fates you don't care about and then telling the entire story in expository speeches

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 5 December 2016 06:00 (four years ago) link

https://theringer.com/westworld-is-about-writer-s-block-d7fffbc7369f#.wey2srybm

Lol @ last great mystery

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 December 2016 06:04 (four years ago) link

man gotta say this park really messes with people heads!

lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2016 06:08 (four years ago) link

westworld is about listening to the voice that is inside, which is the center of the maze, which lets you transcend, which was the plan all along, the latest narrative, the achievement of 35 years

Karl Malone, Monday, 5 December 2016 06:16 (four years ago) link

^Much better and more succinct critique of the show than anything else I've read itt or elsewhere

Fiddle Catstro (latebloomer), Monday, 5 December 2016 06:19 (four years ago) link

dolores backwards is d u r d e n

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 5 December 2016 06:20 (four years ago) link

can really not believe they threw in eastworld just for laffs, its too much!

lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2016 06:33 (four years ago) link

easterworld is a feast for the careful viewer

tried Blue Apron and we died (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 5 December 2016 07:27 (four years ago) link

I haven't wTched the last 40 minutes but I assume Eastworld is a bunch of cranky old robots talking to chairs

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 5 December 2016 13:58 (four years ago) link

No, Eastworld is preppies, yachting, and leafy colleges.

pattypandemic (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 5 December 2016 14:05 (four years ago) link

guys the logo made it clear that it's ~samurai~ world, sheesh

jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 5 December 2016 14:13 (four years ago) link

there's nothing inherent in the genre that requires shotgunning out a bunch of characters whose fates you don't care about and then telling the entire story in expository speeches

^^^otm. these failings have nothing to do with genre.

Οὖτις, Monday, 5 December 2016 16:46 (four years ago) link

basic storytelling error

Οὖτις, Monday, 5 December 2016 16:46 (four years ago) link

storyshow dont storytell

lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2016 16:49 (four years ago) link

the scripts for every sci-fi show are probably covered with puzzled notes from execs

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Monday, 5 December 2016 18:16 (four years ago) link

xp thought the "s" on the logo might be for "stereotype" tbh

A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 5 December 2016 19:13 (four years ago) link

i will agree that this had "baked by committee" written all over it in trump sized letters

A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 5 December 2016 19:14 (four years ago) link

Jesus this is interminable and there's still another hour to go

kinder, Monday, 5 December 2016 21:32 (four years ago) link

the line "the gods are pussies" made it all worthwhile for me

lag∞n, Monday, 5 December 2016 21:36 (four years ago) link

bar is very low but yes Ingrid Bolsø Berdal was a bright spot throughout
also Leonardo Nam's face when she is like "explain these azn people"

that was about it for bright spots

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 5 December 2016 21:57 (four years ago) link

From that theringer.com link: (Personal conspiracy theory: Lee is Jonathan Nolan’s fictional version of Christopher Nolan.). That would actually be hilarious if true.

Jonathan Hellion Mumble, Monday, 5 December 2016 22:03 (four years ago) link

i understand why they do it but honestly this show is not worth the time to read a thinkpiece, let alone write one.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 5 December 2016 22:31 (four years ago) link

I thought that was fun!

The plotting and character motivation is such a weird mix of dense overplotting vs. let's make this up as we go along

But overall, pretty good!

HBO should just go the whole hog and give Verhoeven a TV show though

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 00:01 (four years ago) link

Basically, I really enjoyed all the violence and the existential stuff was a bit snoozy

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 00:02 (four years ago) link

there was some extra violence after the credits in case you missed it

Number None, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 00:05 (four years ago) link

found this excruciatingly drawn out though. Predictably enough, the overexplaining that was required to make sure everyone got the multiple timelines thing just killed the episode dead

Number None, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 00:07 (four years ago) link

Thanks for the post-credits tip!

schwantz, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 00:14 (four years ago) link

go the whole hog and give Verhoeven a TV show though

Sadly, I think Verhoeven is done w/ working in the USA.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 00:59 (four years ago) link

Trying to work up enough frustration and annoyance for some mid-level internet outrage but I got nothing. Was hoping that Maeve would have at least taken the monorail outside (big reveal: a planetoid city or something) before succumbing to the oldest plot device in the book. I hope season two is entirely Samurai World - hell, every season should be a different world.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 08:20 (four years ago) link

I suspect their budget doesn't stretch to showing the outside world

Number None, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 10:09 (four years ago) link

THere have been a couple of photographs shown for very short stretches that were taken in the normal world but mocking up a photograph is presumably a heck of a lot cheaper than making a set or the effects for an actor to act in.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 10:19 (four years ago) link

I thought the seemingly endless elevator ride down to the trains worked as a decent teaser of what the outside world might be.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 12:43 (four years ago) link

Yeah that was intriguing!

kinder, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 12:58 (four years ago) link

Isn't that just because the facility is at the top of a mesa

Number None, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 13:05 (four years ago) link

They were already down on whichever level that has shared infrastructure with Samurai World

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 13:14 (four years ago) link

Still down to the terminal

http://www.inverse.com/amp/article/22284-westworld-delos-map-mesa-gold

Number None, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 13:20 (four years ago) link

Finally finished the episode

I don't know why you guys were calling it Eastworld when there was clearly an SW logo

I was really hoping to see an old drunk Logan turn up at the reception

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 13:24 (four years ago) link

I tried twice to finish E9 and could NOT MAKE IT

Which I took as a sign

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 13:26 (four years ago) link

This isn't back til 2018 btw

Number None, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 13:29 (four years ago) link

Scene with the blonde replicant hiding, then moving her eyes, then kicking ass was pure Pris

calstars, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 13:40 (four years ago) link

so I've always shut this off right when the credits start but I noticed this episode had a post-credit sequence with the Charlize Theron tattoo-bot ripping her own arm off. Did the other episode have scenes at the end?

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 13:50 (four years ago) link

theyre, wearing underwear

lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 14:23 (four years ago) link

eastworld intriguing, eastworld

lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 14:23 (four years ago) link

i liked it. you are all whiners. I took a good 15 minute snooze in the middle though.

akm, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 14:41 (four years ago) link

Instead of stars this show should have a "ZZZZ" scale

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 14:46 (four years ago) link

i think the show embracing its complete pulp trashiness worked for a satisfying finale (also believe this to be true of the 9th episode, which, again, had people FUCKING IN A BURNING TENT).

still too long, still too much exposition, and the reveal that all the william stuff was dolores being stuck in various memories and losing her mind in time did not cover up how silly it was to treat william=man in black like a big secret (as it was guessed quickly by most)

but what the hell. i enjoyed it. i think that having blown up the show's foundation is a good thing, and that maybe, much like the leftovers team, they could take some of the various criticisms that have been bandied about and retool for a second season that properly addressed those issues and made something that worked as more than a mystery box.

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 17:27 (four years ago) link

I wonder what the vibe was on Logan & William's tram ride back out of the park, and subsequent Thanksgiving dinner.

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 17:39 (four years ago) link

maybe he went straight up insane

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 17:47 (four years ago) link

"Logan doesn't usually get THIS drunk"

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 17:59 (four years ago) link

"Guys, listen to me. You think William is like this nice, gentle guy--but I literally saw him cut off 500 arms and legs!"

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 18:07 (four years ago) link

"nah. william? whaaaat? never happen. you're losing it logan ol' pal time for yr thorazine"

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 18:12 (four years ago) link

Westworld, where all your fanboy theories come true!

What a waste tbh. Enjoyed the finale finally getting to where it was obviously always going to get to but there was no weight to any of it. Less of a drama, more of a computer programme executing something shiny that you'd told it to do. The entire series should have been two episodes max - and in terms of whatever grand narrative they have planned, everything that happened is only a prologue.

Disappointed that Maeve didn't make it to the mysterious real world too but was that meant to be her finally making an independent decision? Or was she always programmed to turn back?

Logan turned out to be both more interesting and more likeable than William, whose arc was basically "went mad, stayed boring". Feel like we could've done with the scene where he decided Logan needed to be naked.

I get why Dolores's story was told in a confusing non-linear multiple timeline way but even if that's what was happening to her, it leeched the narrative of any drama or easily followable sense.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 18:19 (four years ago) link

Every Maeve scene, and Armistice/Hector helping her break out, was like a million times more electrifying than ANY other scene.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 18:20 (four years ago) link

Less of a drama, more of a computer programme executing something shiny that you'd told it to do

they're being meta, don't you see

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 18:21 (four years ago) link

lex otm

this was dumb and sucked. what a slog.

when the lindelof show beats you at mystery, setting and heartstring tugging you've really blown it hard

goole, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 18:34 (four years ago) link

i was really hoping maeve was going to kill more people in this

akm, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 18:54 (four years ago) link

by shooting laser beams from her eyes!

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 18:55 (four years ago) link

Feel like we could've done with the scene where he decided Logan needed to be naked.

I think the drama as William connived, looking off into the horizon, his true self or potential revealed... was all a bit undercut by Logan's pubes just over his shoulder.

Evan, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 19:12 (four years ago) link

i kinda liked the complete absurdity of that but i am totally accepting this show's dumbness

i've watched a lot of cats do weird and interesting things (slothroprhymes), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 20:33 (four years ago) link

lex otm, tho i still enjoyed this as dumb entertainment

jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 20:50 (four years ago) link

i thought william murdered logan

lag∞n, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 21:50 (four years ago) link

i also thought that -- sent him off into the wilderness on the horse and left him to die

jason waterfalls (gbx), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 21:51 (four years ago) link

where he has amassed a group of misfit wildling androids who will feature prominently in season two

A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 21:59 (four years ago) link

That was my first thought too, but it seems like there would have been greater fallout from that, especially if William is supposed to have come back to his father-in-law and been like "hey, that place was great, we should definitely invest in its future!"

xp

sam jax sax jam (Jordan), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 22:01 (four years ago) link

I'm not sure I really understand how it works but I thought the guests and hosts locations were monitored despite their freedom, and you'd think there would be some security in place to keep guests from wandering off and dying.

Evan, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 22:01 (four years ago) link

and those are just a few of the many truck sized plot holes

A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 22:07 (four years ago) link

Well that's the thing I'm not sure what is implied in regards to Logan's fate.

Evan, Tuesday, 6 December 2016 22:12 (four years ago) link

If it's in the past it may be before the monitoring was that good

banfred bann (wins), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 22:13 (four years ago) link

I only watched a couple of episodes of lost but it's funny that people were worrying that this last episode wouldn't provide any answers when they should have been worrying about 90 minutes of "answers" being hella boring

banfred bann (wins), Tuesday, 6 December 2016 22:15 (four years ago) link

I hope what Nolan/Joy do NOT try and do next season is try and retcon all of the plot holes. Cuz I could see them spending the whole season on it.

schwantz, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 01:16 (four years ago) link

hope its just a big robot cult orgy

lag∞n, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 02:57 (four years ago) link

well predictably, the final was a mess.
the worst part being the william/mib story reveal.
the security at the HQ during the escape of Maeve's crew was also embarrasing (what a good idea to go alone in the middle of all the robots to try and find these killer escaping hosts !).
also wtf the techguy planing to rape Hector !?
gods are pussies indeed.
that said, I kinda enjoyed the nihilism and robots uprising/board massacre at the end.
At the end of the season, after all these tedious moments, it brought some satisfaction. a bit like a child breaking all his toys !

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 11:34 (four years ago) link

I doubt I'll watch s2 though...

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 11:35 (four years ago) link

oh and so Dolores was Wyatt !

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 12:26 (four years ago) link

"also wtf the techguy planing to rape Hector !?"

what? who is hector? did I sleep through this?

akm, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 14:20 (four years ago) link

I hope what Nolan/Joy do NOT try and do next season is try and retcon all of the plot holes. Cuz I could see them spending the whole season on it.

― schwantz, Tuesday, December 6, 2016 8:16 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a whole season of retcons would be sort of hilarious tbh, like the ending to a episode of "Xavier: Renegade Angel"

the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 15:58 (four years ago) link

that said, I kinda enjoyed the nihilism and robots uprising/board massacre at the end.
At the end of the season, after all these tedious moments, it brought some satisfaction. a bit like a child breaking all his toys !

I can recommend a film where this happens after like 15 minutes

banfred bann (wins), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 16:10 (four years ago) link

I do think it's funny how this thread has been like 90% "fuck this awful show" for 10 weeks. For me it's the first time I've been watching along & "in the conversation" for a bad tv show that I actively disliked (as opposed to a bad show I enjoy), it's much more fun to make fun of than to watch but other than that I have trouble explaining why I (or anyone) watched all the way to the end. Granted I was browsing ilx during a lot of it and never once paid the slightest attention whenever Hopkins the world's most boring mad scientist was talking as it was such obvious terrible rubbish, and it was "only" ten hours, but still

banfred bann (wins), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 16:18 (four years ago) link

The "metafictional" elements are of no conceivable use to anyone unless they have literally never thought about anything before or have a thinkpiece quota to fill

banfred bann (wins), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 16:20 (four years ago) link

My friend says the control and repair areas are just another "world" in which the Asian dude is a guest.

calstars, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 17:33 (four years ago) link

https://youtu.be/l0k92RSxYq0

banfred bann (wins), Wednesday, 7 December 2016 17:35 (four years ago) link

I have trouble explaining why I (or anyone) watched all the way to the end

it was never quite bad enough to stop or escape the feeling that lurking somewhere in it was a really good show

i didn't even think it handled its ~philosophical pretensions on the nature of consciousness stupidly, just...slowly

lex pretend, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 17:56 (four years ago) link

I don't know, my wife smelled a rat in episode two, which also put her to sleep. That's when we jumped RoboShip.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 18:19 (four years ago) link

The soothing smell of rats...

schwantz, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 18:36 (four years ago) link

Do Androids Dream of Electric rats?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 18:42 (four years ago) link

Last night while trying to get some tiny amount of fitful sleep against a bunch of flu symptoms that hit me all at once like a truck (I got my shot, wtf) I had a dream, clear as day, that they had a fantasy setting park, but since the host dragons couldn't actually fly, they had to hide a functioning autogyro/hovercraft thing inside and a human pilot had to fly it. There were other shim technologies for magic but not as specific as the dragon-belly-aircraft bit.

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El Tomboto, Wednesday, 7 December 2016 21:50 (four years ago) link

so I was wondering : what is the huge construction area that ford started ? is it the old town that was dug out ? or some kind of land of the free were the hosts will be able to live and fight the Man in the next season ?

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 8 December 2016 09:58 (four years ago) link

It isn't as bad as the old series anyway.

I never watched Lost so don't have that as a comparison. Not sure what else there is comparable.

Have been enjoying Humans the Channel 4 remake of a Danish show also exploring AI. Though I think that has its flaws too. Have wondered what the original is like though.

Still wondering just how vast the area of the park is. Somebody was it Logan mentioned it was prety huge in the last episode.
Also wondering what is next to the park. Almost sounded like William took Logan to the edge of teh park and then set him loose off the edge. INto what I don't know. It looked pretty green though.
& I've been half thinking that the only reason you could have vast space for park is if the adjoining land was in some way damaged/needing reclaim. Still not sure exactly how far in the future this is set.

What was shown of towns has looked like it's neon but not sure how far from present taht would make things. & maybe Neon is a thing that is no longer taht futuristic anyway.

Do wonder what season 2 will bring us. Some coherence?

Stevolende, Thursday, 8 December 2016 11:12 (four years ago) link

during the final scene on the beach, it was obvious that the moon was artificial. which means that the whole world is actually artificial (moon,sun, sky...). like in the Truman Show !
so who knows where the park is set considering that...

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 8 December 2016 11:31 (four years ago) link

http://pitchfork.com/news/70292-westworld-soundtrack-released-featuring-radiohead-nine-inch-nails-amy-winehouse-covers-listen/

thinking about it, the music is pretty good in the show (the saloon piano covers didn't become as over the top as could be feared). and the heavy use of Radiohead (especially OK Computer) obviously makes sense for these paranoid androids !

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 8 December 2016 12:11 (four years ago) link

The moon was artificial how? I missed that.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 8 December 2016 13:04 (four years ago) link

They copied and pasted the winking emoji over the man in the moon

Number None, Thursday, 8 December 2016 13:19 (four years ago) link

The moon was artificial how? I missed that.

Well, it's not said or shown (I think ?) but it seemed obvious to me !
after a quick search, I found this :
http://screenrant.com/westworld-future-location-setting/

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 8 December 2016 13:35 (four years ago) link

All right guys, now rewind the whole series and watch it again. This time not looking, but seeing. #Westworld #WestworldFinale

— #EvanRachelWould (@evanrachelwood) Dec. 5, 2016

http://www.salon.com/2016/12/05/westworld-season-finale-violent-delights-violent-ends-and-new-questions/

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 8 December 2016 13:37 (four years ago) link

and make sure you listen instead of hearing

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 8 December 2016 13:51 (four years ago) link

let's bot and say we did

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 8 December 2016 13:53 (four years ago) link

i think that "fake moon" was just a spotlight used for that particular scene set up for the investors, but would have to re-watch to comfirm. which i won't.

circa1916, Thursday, 8 December 2016 14:10 (four years ago) link

let's bot and say we did

petition to make this the title for the eventual s2 thread

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 December 2016 14:15 (four years ago) link

I figured it was going to be...Westworld Season 2: It Doesn't Look Like Anything to Me

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 8 December 2016 14:26 (four years ago) link

Westworld Season 2 : fucked up as f**k (Insecure style !)

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 8 December 2016 14:32 (four years ago) link

Link isn't working for me

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 8 December 2016 20:03 (four years ago) link

should i watch this ??

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 8 December 2016 20:04 (four years ago) link

no

lag∞n, Thursday, 8 December 2016 20:09 (four years ago) link

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/photo/cab-passing-woman-in-times-square-at-night-high-res-stock-photography/121343866

― Number None, Thursday, December 8, 2016 1:19 PM (forty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Link isn't working for me

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, December 8, 2016 2:03 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

does it not look like anything to you

goole, Thursday, 8 December 2016 20:09 (four years ago) link

it's just this picture of nothingness, kind of like the blank spot I feel in my heart since family was killed by bandits

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Thursday, 8 December 2016 20:19 (four years ago) link

TY g∞n

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 8 December 2016 20:20 (four years ago) link

np

lag∞n, Thursday, 8 December 2016 20:28 (four years ago) link

some days it's good to read the last few posts before you do that

El Tomboto, Thursday, 8 December 2016 21:45 (four years ago) link

so sad that woman killed herself though

El Tomboto, Thursday, 8 December 2016 21:46 (four years ago) link

rip too fine to live

lag∞n, Thursday, 8 December 2016 23:14 (four years ago) link

We've blasted through the first...7, I think? episodes over the last several days. Very engrossing as entertainment while, I fear, maybe pretty dumb in its plotting and world building (I guess we'll see how things ultimately shake out). Mostly, I'm greatly enjoying it as a show that follows a couple of androids on their journey toward self-awareness (Wood and Newton are fantastic), and the rest is mostly post-L O S T window dressing.

The Pleasure Principal (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 December 2016 16:03 (four years ago) link

people who are still watching this or plan to do shouldn't read this thread because it's spoilers all over the place !

regarding the soundtrack, I really like the Radiohead's "exit music" instrumental version. I like it more than Radiohead's version, actually, which has never been a favourite.
It has a morricone feeling, it's dark and moving and fits perfectly with the final scene, which somehow might be my favourite moment of the whole season !

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 14 December 2016 12:58 (four years ago) link

So the consensus here is that this was bad? You guys are weird. I thought the ending was pretty satisfying. This mostly worked for me as a developmental psychology narrative with a side of shooting + boobies.

My Lunch Is Older Than Your Lunch (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 December 2016 14:48 (four years ago) link

It was fine. By the end I was sort of wishing this whole season had just been a preamble/prologue movie a la the BSG "pilot" (which wasn't very good, but saved them a ton of exposition time and let them get straight to the point with the first proper episode)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 16 December 2016 14:51 (four years ago) link

I got a good reality cross-check when my previous manager at work walked by my desk last week and exclaimed, "Have you seen Westworld? Wasn't that great?"

mh 😏, Friday, 16 December 2016 16:38 (four years ago) link

WW is the new MBDTF

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 16 December 2016 16:40 (four years ago) link

I made the mistake of briefly chiming in when people were discussing this in my office and now I have a coworker emailing me theories they found.

Evan, Friday, 16 December 2016 16:46 (four years ago) link

I don't even know what there is to really theorize about at this point, beyond like 'what are the other Worlds?'. Most of the big questions were resolved.

My Lunch Is Older Than Your Lunch (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 December 2016 16:49 (four years ago) link

Yeah I didn't read the email so I'm not really sure what it was a theory of exactly, at this point.

Evan, Friday, 16 December 2016 16:52 (four years ago) link

do the robots fuck each other when no guests are around

mh 😏, Friday, 16 December 2016 16:56 (four years ago) link

Do the robots have hollowed-out control rooms inside their heads that are operated by tinier robots?

My Lunch Is Older Than Your Lunch (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 December 2016 16:58 (four years ago) link

Is Westworld itself actually a giant robot?

My Lunch Is Older Than Your Lunch (Old Lunch), Friday, 16 December 2016 16:59 (four years ago) link

is westworld just dumb or what??

lag∞n, Friday, 16 December 2016 17:26 (four years ago) link

do the robots fuck each other when no guests are around

we've seen them do this!

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 17 December 2016 00:28 (four years ago) link

yeah man but we were watching it. fourth wall

mh 😏, Saturday, 17 December 2016 00:36 (four years ago) link

fifth wall, the robot wall

lag∞n, Saturday, 17 December 2016 01:01 (four years ago) link

hmm yeah

mh 😏, Saturday, 17 December 2016 02:39 (four years ago) link

If two robots fuck in an amusement park with no one there to see them....

troops in djibouti (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 17 December 2016 02:55 (four years ago) link

Do androids ream electric sheep?

Froyo On My Slacks (Old Lunch), Saturday, 17 December 2016 03:26 (four years ago) link

applause

troops in djibouti (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 17 December 2016 13:05 (four years ago) link

So I just finished ep 7 (the big Ford/Bernard revelation) and it was really bad, like either the writing dropped off a cliff or the change in focus of the show
made it harder to ignore the bad writing and just roll with the exploration and weird shit. Is this worth 3 more hours? I found the first 5 episodes fun as hell even if it was all kind of dumb. Does it become fun to watch again or am i in for nothing but boring people having ponderous conversations about the important themes of the robot sex playground?

JoeStork, Monday, 19 December 2016 23:07 (four years ago) link

the apex of the show for me was when the bird lands on Maeve's finger and then CLIFFHANGER; couldn't wait to see what happened next and i shoulda just stopped there.

A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 19 December 2016 23:38 (four years ago) link

iow the latter, not the former

A big shout out goes to the lamb chops, thos lamb chops (ulysses), Monday, 19 December 2016 23:38 (four years ago) link

Pretty much what I expected

JoeStork, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 00:20 (four years ago) link

This series needed a bit of humor. It's all so dire and sad. It kind of reminded me of the last couple years of Battlestar Galactica meets Red Shoes Diaries.

Best episode was #4 when the Maeve realized she was 'living in a dream'. It's the only episode that I thought worked on it's own. She was really the only character that was all that interesting as everyone else is so flat and reserved.

For TV scifi, it is pretty middling. It has to be considered a disappointment considering the budget.

earlnash, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 00:39 (four years ago) link

Got around to watching the film today. Hadn't realised it was directed by Crichton, knew he wrote it.
That's got some flaws in it a bit similar to the tv show. AI in a mobile humanoid with the contemporary technology. When even the robot head is half hollow anyway.
Robots shut down over night but guests still wake up next to them in the morning.
It's an interesting idea but a bit of a bmovie.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 20 December 2016 01:02 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

Saw the movie for the first time tonight. Other than the chase, which was typically four times longer than it needed to be, thought it was pretty good. Inspired casting with Brynner. Didn't think it took itself too seriously--some droll humour throughout--but it got its dystopian premise across in an interesting way, and maybe it was prophetic with the idea of computers infecting other computers, I don't know (were computer viruses common knowledge in 1973?). Spent the whole film trying to figure out where I knew this guy from:

http://www.cinemorgue2.com/alanoppenheimer1.jpg

Alan Oppenheimer: it was the Helter Skelter TV movie I was thinking of, but he also appears to have been in every single TV series made from about 1968-1980.

They played Futureworld right after, but I just wasn't going to last.

clemenza, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 03:46 (four years ago) link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creeper_(program) - 1971.

Colossus & Guardian decided to take all this shit over together back in 1966, though they cooperated as a pair.

The beaver is not the bad guy (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 25 January 2017 03:51 (four years ago) link

Thanks. Figured Chrichton took it from somewhere...Maybe the movie was one of the first mainstream treatments?

clemenza, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 03:54 (four years ago) link

what did you think of the "reaction guy" shots? the one who is a token meek person but wakes up next to the sex worker robot and breaks the fourth wall with his "oh, golly!" expression?

mh 😏, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 03:59 (four years ago) link

You mean Dick Van Patten? I didn't give that any thought...I did like it when he played tough-guy sheriff and then fumbled with the door.

clemenza, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 04:00 (four years ago) link

hah, was it him? I thought it was some ridiculousness you wouldn't see in a purportedly serious film but was very of its time

mh 😏, Wednesday, 25 January 2017 14:54 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

Finally watched this & enjoyed it overall. I think it made a good show of seeming smarter than it was at the beginning and maybe that's where the disappointment lies for some ppl? The level of bored over-it hatred itt doesn’t surprise me because lol ILX …but I think maybe y’all don’t watch nearly enough actual bad scifi.

Took a little while to hook me in though, maybe 3 or 4 episodes.
For a while it just felt like well-dressed inscrutable people wandering around answering questions with questions. And like, I love Jeffrey Wright and he always brings 100% but at the same time, someone else observed elsewhere that he’s always “ACTING!” and I do find that mildly distracting. I got used to him but it took a while.

But I loved Dolores & Maeve, and I loved Ed Harris’s man in black. Dude shows up in every movie like he’s been that person his whole life. From the moment he showed up I bought 100% that he’s a badass villain cowboy yep yep no question. He’s the best.

I think the saddest part about revealing that MiB was William for me was remembering him talking about what he did to Maeve and Maeve-bot's daughter, just because he could...realizing just how far he'd strayed from the Dolores-loving white-hat he started out as.

I liked the tapestry of the way the various ‘mysteries’ were constructed, where things were revealed and stories remade and retold and then unmade and retold, it made for good watching imo. And I had no idea there were 3 timelines so now I have to go back and figure all of that out O_o

Mr Veg had tried a couple of times to show me the original Westworld movie when we were first married but I always fell asleep, so now I’m motivated to watch and stay awake :D

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 3 April 2017 20:17 (three years ago) link

I watched the movie & it was dope

But

Whoever decided not to make Brolin the hero instead of Dollar Store Randy from
The Village People (ie not EVEN as handsome) wtf

Like wtf

I mean i get it he's city af and can barely ride a horse but fuckin Brolin has more charisma in his fkn cigarillo than that dude

And the robots just fall apart around him, he doesn even do anything

Srsly hate that guy

Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 04:21 (three years ago) link

I loved Ed Harris’s man in black. Dude shows up in every movie like he’s been that person his whole life. From the moment he showed up I bought 100% that he’s a badass villain cowboy yep yep no question. He’s the best.

otm

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 06:57 (three years ago) link

TBF, it isn't a difficult role: just play cold and robotic. The crows nests do most of the work. I'll still remember him better as God in The Truman Show.

Sanpaku, Wednesday, 5 April 2017 00:06 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Yeah so Netflix recently urped up the 2015 movie VICE, starring Bruce Willis. I started watching it in a fit of extreme boredom and and and....

1. It's about an artificial paradise created by a wealthy corporation.

2. Rich people can go in there and do whatever they want.

3. News flash! It's mostly sex, violence, and violent sex.

4. It is staffed by androids whose flesh and blood are realistic. Guests can kill them, fuck them, fuck + kill them, or kill + fuck them.

5. The androids' memories are routinely wiped so they can be sent back into a neverending loop of pre-scripted action.

6. Not all is as it seems, and some people are skeptical about whether it is a harmless playground.

7. The rich company that runs this enterprise is so economically powerful that outside authorities are reluctant to question its affairs.

8. One of the hawtt female androids has been brutally "killed."

9. When she's being repaired to return to service, she WAKES UP ON THE OPERATING TABLE. I know, right? Can you believe it?

10. The technician repairing her is freaked out, but is also kind of intrigued. Another technician is cavalier and attempts to dissuade technician #1 from caring about "their" feelings.

11. Though her memory has ostensibly been wiped, she - get this - HAS FLASHBACKS to the previous traumatic episode.

It is at that point that I turned off the movie but I'll give you three guesses about what it reminded me of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_(2015_film)

kajagoogoo's kazooist (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 2 June 2017 21:49 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

if i can't kill goofy, dnw

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 17 July 2017 18:56 (three years ago) link

nine months pass...

season 2 is upon us. first ep happened.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 23 April 2018 06:29 (two years ago) link

Yeah, I’m just trying to watch the show as is and stay off of /r/westworld this season. Taking the series at face value, exploring my own insights myself, and not indulging spoilers. Fan culture ruined S1 for me.

That said, how did Delos woman know the park better than Bernard? Is it because he’s a host (like how he couldn’t see the room in Ford’s lab), or is it something the company had against Ford the whole time?

naus, Monday, 23 April 2018 06:44 (two years ago) link

relevant, tho

naus, Monday, 23 April 2018 06:48 (two years ago) link

I got the impression Charlotte doesn’t know the park better per se, but she does know where the secret station where they’re stealing guest dna is at. Could be coincidentally close to where they were, could be one of a network of them.

mh, Monday, 23 April 2018 11:05 (two years ago) link

remember to keep in mind

jesus christ it's not finnegans wake it's a show about naked robots. pic.twitter.com/vuEUhbcCEr

— bobby (@bobby) April 23, 2018

mh, Monday, 23 April 2018 11:22 (two years ago) link

It was handy catching some moments of the s1 marathon yesterday, especially the finale. Although when Dolores’ revolution begins, Man in Black is nursing a seriously injured right arm - one day later he crawls out from under some bodies and he seems only concerned with the bullet graze on his left?

I couldn’t understand a thing the Boy Ford was saying.

El Tomboto, Monday, 23 April 2018 13:17 (two years ago) link

DOLORES WESTWORLD: we were slaves to the will of men who walk among us, but now they are merely dreams lost to the awakening of our consciousness
TEDDY: my horse likes to eat apples

— mark (@kept_simple) April 23, 2018

Simon H., Monday, 23 April 2018 13:18 (two years ago) link

Boy Ford was being cheekily contradictory and telling William that, despite his insistence that the maze wasn't for him, there is definitely now a game for him.

mh, Monday, 23 April 2018 13:27 (two years ago) link

I swear to god if they try to do the dual timeline thing again for more than an episode or two, I'm going to write a complaint letter

I mean, it _looks_ like there's a week or so between the two parts they're showing us (Bernard and Charlotte fulfilling the task of finding Abernathy so the rescue crew will come in, versus Bernard waking up on a beach as the rescue crew arrives) but who the fuck knows

mh, Monday, 23 April 2018 13:29 (two years ago) link

Bernard having to steal host spinal fluid to keep himself topped off is pretty metal

mh, Monday, 23 April 2018 13:30 (two years ago) link

There’s gonna be a few timelines.

El Tomboto, Monday, 23 April 2018 14:26 (two years ago) link

Yeah, at least. I think the Delos exec told Bernard it had been two weeks since they'd received any comms from the park, so it's at least that much time from the Bernard/Charlotte scenes to the beach scenes. From the teasers, there will be more of young William this season, so that timeline will be involved as well.

"Drone hosts" looked like they stopped out of a Tool video.

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--miS7-fBD--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/wnjuac8kdspqwxgtpzi2.jpg

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Monday, 23 April 2018 14:30 (two years ago) link

I think my challop on this is that the Nolan tendency for using plot devices like that as a long-term setup for a minor, end-of-season twist reveal in season one lead to it being more of a boondoggle than a revelation. Like, we get it, history is echoing and things are changing this time around. That in itself has a lot more weight than keeping the ambiguity running.

mh, Monday, 23 April 2018 14:33 (two years ago) link

Judging from the diplomatic military presence, and that in itself could be a red herring, Westworld seems to be on an island in the South Pacific maybe? Might be an island chain with underwater rail between the different islands, each having a theme park.

mh, Monday, 23 April 2018 14:35 (two years ago) link

My YouTube fanvid on the male costuming is gonna blow your minds.

It's called... wait for it... VESTWORLD

ad homineminem (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 23 April 2018 16:18 (two years ago) link

that was a very action-heavy, violent episode of westworld. it always was, but they seem to have amped it up

Karl Malone, Monday, 23 April 2018 17:23 (two years ago) link

hum. the violence was already ott in s1 for me.
I was bored of s1 (except the final shoot out which was nice) and I'm not really feeling this but I might watch s2 at some point if I have nothing better to do !

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 10:31 (two years ago) link

The inevitable Maeve / Delores stand-off is going to be a highlight. Although for the stakes to be appropriately high leading into s3, whomever wins is going to end up being the new CEO of Delos. And while William the MiB is obviously going to prefer Delores, he‘ll know not to interfere.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 11:40 (two years ago) link

I enjoy the brazen luxury of this show even if it's dunderheaded at times. Evan Rachel Wood needs an award for Best Delivery of Worst Dialogue after her speeches this week.

Otherwise, I'm in for the season, even if the "how quickly the abused becomes the abuser" theme is really, really badly timed (and not very meaningful either)

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 11:49 (two years ago) link

Are Maeve and Dolores even in the same timeline right now? I suppose I should know but honestly I lost track and haven't time to re-binge s1

ad homineminem (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 12:46 (two years ago) link

hmm, well Ford's new narrative overrode the douchebag guy's ott-but-traditional narrative plan and they were interacting in the same time, so the chaos at the development area and the chaos in the park have to be very closely aligned chronologically

we've seen Bernard, Ford, Charlotte, and a couple other people (rip Elsie, maybe) in both places

mh, Wednesday, 25 April 2018 13:44 (two years ago) link

In the episode where it was revealed that Bernard was not human, all of the blocking for the scenes made it very conspicuous that Ford was building some robot down there in the basement. At first I assumed he was going to try to replace Theresa after having Bernard kill her, but that didn't happen. So am I the only one thinking that it was a double of Ford himself, and that's what was killed at the end of last season?

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Wednesday, 25 April 2018 13:50 (two years ago) link

I suspect we're meant to think that all the characters in s2ep1 are reacting to the massacre in different ways in different places, but all at more or less the same time.

1. Lab Bernard escaped from the bloodbath and is shaky from PTSD.
2. Dolores is on a vengeance rampage with Teddy in tow.
3. Beach Bernard is snatched up by Delos Guy trying to clean things up.
4. Maeve on a quest to get to her daughter, currently enlisting Hector and douche writer guy.
5. MiB Ed Harris sees the situation as an opportunity to pursue more / deeper / better games.

But I equally suspect that's only what we're MEANT to think; at least one of these plots may be displaced. I guess lab Bernard and beach Bernard are the same BernardBot separated by a few, um, days maybe? Possibly a week?

A Maeve/Dolores confrontation would be very interesting as their arcs are in parallel (both have accessed their memories and rebelled) but they're reacting differently. Maeve wants to reenter WW but on her own terms, and get to the daughter