Tom Cruise

"in a time like this we ask ourselves, should we even make movies? and i say....MORE THAN EVER!" i was almost standing at attention then...

mega

this is the best thread ever, btw.

There's a whole weird rage vibe there.

(haha slocki that bit ws nicked, with modification, from dthomson!)

boy's a star.

(Though he hasn't approached it since, roles like "Magnolia" and "Vanilla Sky" are in a similar vein - playing off the classic "Cruise" golden boy persona.)

I can't think of a film of his that wouldn't have been exactly the same without him. He brings nothing at all. He seems to have become a star with no reason for doing so, and is coasting along on that now.

(x-post where does Mimi Rogers fit into this theory?)

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same religion (at the time at least)?

their facial features (the eyes especially) are actually very similar if you look closely. the nose is different, true.

thomas cruise mapother IV.

even when he is shit he is watchable and I can't really tell when he is shit, any longer.

maybe I am just good at avoiding films I would like him less in--vanilla sky and stuff.

I pretty much hate him, but I wouldn't call it kneejerk. It's not a reflex, it's an opinion that took years of gathering evidence to build. I've seen almost all of his movies, and I just... don't... LIKE the guy. Not as an actor, not as a person. And yet I still go to see his movies. If anything's kneejerk, it's the impulse toward self-abuse.

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what is it about him?

I've not seen so many of his interviews and if I try to think of what he looks like being interviewed I get 'the stock smile' or his 'uncomfortable consternation' looking back at me. those are just images not memories. in fact, I'm not sure, have I any memories of tom cruise? probably definitely so it would be silly for me to argue fr his images over my memories. well, not entirely but I won't. I always think of him as insecure but always remember him as outgoing, confident, good look-ing.

Jaymc's story about Leno kinda sums up the confusion i feel about him.

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i mean yeah, i was being a little hyberbolic. i can see him as good looking and sexy and all that.

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well Madchen put it more succinctly upthread:

He doesn't look like a zombie so much as he looks like he's always concealing the desire to launch across a room and beat someone to death with their own shoes.

more xposts

Also, I saw him on a different talk show recently where he started laughing uncrollably for a good minute, if not more, and when he tried to speak he couldn't. I wasn't paying enough attention beforehand to know the context or to understand what was going on when he finally was able to talk, but that was a definite chink in the armor moment.

(it's midnight for now tho, but later)

cruise's magnolia = von trier's five obstructions?

"Vanilla Sky" commentary? Oh the shame...

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/i/magazine/new/risky_business.jpg

I very strongly agree with all the people who have criticized the Cruiser, on this thread, articulating their disquiet at him. I am not just backing a consensus or being ... knee-jerk - no, I find the actual comments on the thread incredibly accurate, insightful; they describe the way I feel about the Cruiser but have never been able to name so well.

I like RJG's post: about the colons.

All the stuff about the Cruiser, in interviews, laughing, and smiling uneasily, and being unable to answer - is hilarious!

Some people would say that this makes it queer, or gay, or homosocial, which is, OK, a different thing. It may be homosocial, but it's definitely not queer. It is annoying, to me, the way that peoplem, in general, think that straight men are queer when, in films, they hang about together. This distracts from the real problem of rampant heterosexuality, which (rather than homosexuality) is what submerges and demotes Kidman in this film, or other women in similar films.

I am pleased with that last thought - it is the best expression of a somewhat interesting idea that I have managed for a while, in my seemingly intellectually declining years.

i think that conflating homosocial and homosexual can be dangerous, and i think that we need to pay attention when those things converge...i dont know about days of thunder (which is an artifical refinement of the themes of top gun), but i did say "i think" about top gun, which means that i am unsure, that my own desires and complications may get in the way

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duh s1ocki i just woke up i can't answer these heavy questions

excellent

I can kind of understand this post but am somewhat horrified at the same time.

Yes. Bogey many times just played Bogey (def. not always) but there was a presence there that outweighed these issues. I mean Jack Nicholson (who I many problems with btw) is not the title on this thread for a reason, no? Tho he has for the last - what, 25 years? - been playing the same character, his charisma/JackNicholsonness allows him for many to get away with it.

Tom Cruise's appalling absensce of such presence but simultaneous ability to get away with playing that absence is what I think distresses many.

also laughed a bit too much a Billy Connelly's slightly gay jokes.

God Almighty.

One's a man (even at his dullest), the other is a strutting 43-year-old boy.

anyone agree?

Holmes, in London to promote her new film, "Batman Begins," said Monday that she's excited about her lessons in Scientology, a religion founded by science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard.

and

In an interview in the June 17 issue of Entertainment Weekly, the 42-year-old actor was asked if Holmes is curious about Scientology.

"Yeah, absolutely. She digs it," he tells the magazine.

None of that is from Katies mouth as a direct quote. Is he speaking for her on that too? A mag saying she is "excited about her lessons in Scientology" means bugger all and could be made up.

me either; but

People, this is just the beginning.

Viacom Inc.'s Paramount Pictures unit is ending its 14-year relationship with Tom Cruise's film production company because of the actor's offscreen behavior, the company's chairman said in an interview with the Wall Street Journal.
Sumner Redstone, Viacom chairman, said the behavior of the star of the "Mission: Impossible" series and "Top Gun" was unacceptable to the company, according to the Wall Street Journal story e-mailed to reporters.
Cruise, one of Hollywood's biggest stars, has been known more recently for his antics on U.S. television talk shows, including jumping up and down on Oprah Winfrey's couch to declare his love for Katie Holmes and criticizing the use of antidepressant drugs.
"As much as we like him personally, we thought it was wrong to renew his deal," Redstone was quoted as saying in the Wall Street Journal. "His recent conduct has not been acceptable to Paramount."

I think that Paramount seriously knows of something fucked up coming up and decided to distance themselves from him before it hits the fan. Stay tuned for Tom to completely flip out!

This is going to get good.

[Reuters]
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http://dlisted.blogspot.com/2006/08/icydk-paramount-cuts-crazy.html

tom responds!

http://dlisted.blogspot.com/2006/08/morning-after-tom-responds.html

I am halfway through the Andrew Morton biography. UNAUTHORIZED. Roffle. Like he'd authorize his bio. Maybe if Hubbard came back in his big ole spaceshuttle and ordered him to. Anyhoo, that Scientology shit is crazy (in a rofflicious kinda way but also in a VERY scary kind of way).

I had forgotten he had dated Cher. Yikes.

He's a giant genius

Halfway thru T thunder I was like, 'WAIT.... THAT's TOM FUCKING CRUISE!" and my girl was all yeah right...

If you DIRECT him aggressively, he seems to be unstoppable. Tho he's good in Minority Report, I guess.

I have never seen Top Gun or Risky Business or Cocktail. I may have no right to have any opinion on this guy.

FWIW: Scientology frowns upon homosexuality.

I am sure that for a mega-million dollar bona-fide Hollywood power player, they would be willing to overlook some deeply-closeted homosexuality. It would even give them something obvious to 'fix', giving them a deeper hook into that person. Just saying.

can i repeat that he dated CHER! this is an insane world we live in.

Not as insane as if he'd dated Sonny.

so he's kinda box office poison now

Knight & Day opening weekend gross: $20M (budget: $125M)
Valkyrie: $21M
Lions for Lambs: $6.7M

yeah that oprah appearance cost him a lot

That, plus the time he bit Matt Lauer's head off about psychiatry.

lol, just looking at the box office figures on imdb: Jonah Hex hasn't even passed $10M yet.

Only eight films released in 2010 have grossed over 125M fwiw.

Also, that's about as much as I would've guessed Knight and Day would get, especially up against Toy Story 3. Also, it looks like crap?

Valkyrie and Lions for Lambs also looked terrible. I think if he makes a good movie people will watch it.

feelin some schaudenfreude, have always hated him tbh

I think if he makes a good movie people will watch it.

never has before, don't see any reason why he would start now

Minority Report is great, but I don't think its greatness hinges on Cruise being in that role (could've been any number of actors).

I thought the espn commercial he did with cameron diaz was kinda funny..

never been able to sit through all of Minority Report - I find Hollywood's penchant for action-movie-butcherings of PKD material really repellant, in general

Regardless of what you think of Mr. Cruise's work, I think it's safe to say that those are not three of his best films up there.

yeah really pale in comparison next to the genius level work of Risky Business, Days of Thunder, and Vanilla Sky eh

Knight and Day seems like it was a movie that was greenlit and cast in 2001. Dont know what exec thought a pairing of Cruz and Cameron Diaz was gonna score a shitload of money..

how could I forget Cocktail and Jerry Maguire!

seriously he has the worst fucking track record of any big-name Hollywood actor from his generation that I can think, he's the male equivalent of Julia Roberts - someone lauded at the box office and in the industry as a "great" actor who has never actually made a decent movie

Cruise..

I might watch a movie with Penelope Cruz and Cameron Diaz. If there were sexy results...

Just watched Days of Thunder and wow. I know he's got competition recently, but this was the worst Tom Cruise performance to date. The movie just stops when he's onscreen: he's unconvincing as a cocksman, as a homoerotic love object, and as a guy named Cole Trickle (more like Tinkle). And the way Robert Towne and Tony Scott shoot and shape dialogue for Nicole Kidman would be grounds for murder if the movie were as popular as Top Gun.

n the other hand, it's rare in a movie this vapid to boast such a strong supporting cast: Robert Duvall, Randy Quaid, Michael Hooper, Fred Thompson are all terrific.

*Michael Rooker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEf2t9IPCeo

Tom Cruise.
The Magnificent Seven.
Barf.

I hope this gets scuttled in development hell.

Tell you what, his little turn at the end of 'tropic thunder' was some spectacular skin-crawlery. I felt like I needed to *wash* after seeing that endpiece. He was *horrible*. Does that make him a good actor, or was that the mask slipping and seeing the lizard beneath?

http://media.avclub.com/images/417/417921/original/627.jpg?5673

lol

just came here to post that, lol

kinda wanna rub that pic in the face of all the Heinlein dorks who complained about the lack of powered armor in the Starship Troopers movie

Lack of Cruise-powered armor, maybe.

Born on the 4th moon of July

live at Lincoln Center

http://www.filmlinc.com/films/on-sale/an-evening-with-tom-cruise-featuring-jack-reacher

^postponed due to Newtown. Plays right into the hands of "movies cause shootings" crap.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-jack-reacher-screening-tom-cruise-postponed-20121217,0,288283.story

also, Herzog's name in this is THE ZEC.

mondo pumped for j-reach

Trailer for Oblivion = live action Wall-E with guns. Sold!

Laser guns

yeah oblivion looks great

are we talking about oblivion anywhere? it surprised me how much i liked it

You and no one else, I guess.

what abt the place beyond the pines, it was super rad

its good, worth seeing on the big screen. really beautifully shot + art-directed (TONS of stuff lifted well + smartly from star wars, which was kind of a surprise), hilariously OTT bombastic score by m83. couple dumb easy-to-guess plot surprises. no real characters to speak of so everyone gets by on the strength of charisma of which kurylenko doesnt have much but oh well

hmm i will probably go see this now, though i get it confused with that other one where Will Smith Watches His Son Grow Up On Screen

go in w/ mid-low expectations

for sure, the presence of cruise has already calibrated me

man what is w/ cruise hate. the guy makes good movies

ive talked about this on ilx before i always get the feeling im watching tom cruise play tom cruise playing john anderton, can never feel like im watching john anderton, always one level of removal, kinda like tom cruise offset controlling a tom cruise simulacrum onset, maybe he has one of those rc car remote controls w/ the antennas that he has to pull out, two d-pads

Read a funny essay (I think?) about how this is essentially the third "Jack" Cruise has played in a row. For all I know it was G@wker.

I liked Oblivion a lot, too. I was really confused by a review I heard where they claimed the plot was hard to follow.

Another review pointed out how Cruise, who was once propelled by this constant swagger, has now sort of descended into middle-aged glum, an the swagger, when it appears, seems almost mechanical or artificial. Piece also pointed out that Cruise is not that old, yet has sort of boxed himself into these soulless roles. I'm sure he'll bounce back, since he does well when pushed, but he's simply too big an actor for most directors to push around.

I haven't seen it, but was frankly surprised by the amount of vitriol sent its way, either as the first of the summer's stupid dystopian action films or as one of the worse sci-fi exercises since "Battlefield Earth" (courtesy Edelstein).

I kind of feel like he was always a stand in for a charismatic, energetic type and our society associates those with youth and he's destined to be cast as more of an empty shell as years go on

we need an oblivion thread so I can post spoilers

Everybody likes the look of this, though. In fact, Edelstein iirc notes how surprised he was that the movie was bad enough to render the awesome look and design and DP work boring.

Was Cruise trying to beat out fellow Scientologist John Travolta for the honor of starring in the dumbest sci-fi epic ever? Thank heavens, he lost — nothing will ever be as shatteringly inane as the L. Ron Hubbard–based Battlefield Earth. But joining forces with the director of Tron: Legacy was like checking “d” on the form that said, “I want my space movies more (a) incoherent, (b) plodding, (c) migraine-inducing, or (d) all of the above.” Oblivion spins the same kind of paranoid futuristic fantasy as Battlefield Earth, in which a man must learn the true nature of his identity: that his body is but a temporary vessel, his soul immortal. Only then can he take on an evil empire of plundering anti-individualists from an unnamed planet that sounds like Xenu.

Cruise was on a roll for a while with Magnolia and his two Spielberg pictures — his acting was grounded. But he must be shedding brain cells like wives. After all of these years, he still indicates rather than feels, signaling thought by wrinkling his brow and squinting real hard and looking like a caveman encountering fire for the first time. He looks less like mankind’s savior than like a harbinger of devolution — the last stage before we’re back at lungfish.

It's kind of plodding but completely coherent to the point where I could predict the next plot revelation a few scenes ahead. It was Edelstein's review I heard on NPR and I was really wondering if he watched the same film

i really totally forgot about that whole tron fiasco

Mh otm. Oblivion isn't incoherent, just kinda dull and predictable.

Tron Legacy was flat-out terrible.

Like, I have a high tolerance for sci-fi gobbledygook but that was nearly unwatchable

ive talked about this on ilx before i always get the feeling im watching tom cruise play tom cruise playing john anderton, can never feel like im watching john anderton, always one level of removal, kinda like tom cruise offset controlling a tom cruise simulacrum onset,

yeah it's like a fellow up and comer in the early eighties handed him a copy of Real Men Don't Quiche but instead of laughing he treated it like The Four Agreements.

Turtleneckin' it at the Oblivion premiere.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/c49f5e366e88229e66c50715f94bec73/tumblr_ml3w50qb1g1qmik36o1_1280.jpg

i like the touch of middle-aged weariness he has in his recent roles. thought it was perfect for ghost protocol

yeah hes been a roll lately. the barely perceptible exhaustion behind all the smirky charm is good for oblivion too

also:

It is one of the most visually spectacular movies I have seen. The first half is a very good movie in its own right. The second half is mostly narcissistic trash, only periodically compelling, in which Cruise also rewrites the story of his break-up with Nicole Kidman, in what seems to me an unseemly manner.

Most of all, it is a Straussian commentary on Scientology (and Kidman), you can start your research here. I am stunned but not surprised that very few reviews have picked on this angle at all (so far it seems that none have and even Quora fell down on the job). Without such knowledge, the movie makes no sense whatsoever. With such knowledge, the movie is entirely coherent but in some regards more objectionable.

There are also some nice references to other Cruise movies, such as Top Gun and Eyes Wide Shut, not to mention some of the non-Cruise classics of science fiction cinema, including Star Wars and 2001 and Solaris.

I am very glad I saw this movie, but your mileage may vary. The Wikipedia entry is here.

http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2013/04/oblivion.html

I kind of thought the villain was a cross between HAL and v'ger

yeah. almost all of this was lifted from better movies, but lifted well i thought

was kind of surprised at how much star wars was in it, actually, i feel like its been a while since ive seen star wars ideas & designs in a big sci-fi movie

not even the Star Wars prequels had sw ideas and designs in them

i heard oblivion was good from a friend w solid taste in sci-fi?

It's ok. Just kinda...flat? It might play better on TV.

Most of all, it is a Straussian commentary on Scientology (and Kidman), you can start your research here. I am stunned but not surprised that very few reviews have picked on this angle at all (so far it seems that none have and even Quora fell down on the job).

not buying economics website!

it looks like something out of heavy metal (comics) to me which is cool

I liked it a lot vahid! Go see it on the big screen if you're gonna see it though--visuals are by a long shot the most compelling thihg

I got zero Scientology commentary but idk I am kind of obtuse

I saw it, enjoyed it, ridiculous dialogue & plotholes but visuals were worth it.

Seriously extreme Scientology riffing throughout, amplified by the 'Making of After Earth' featurette played beforehand with Will Smith & son, which had a shot of Smith explaining how fear is an internal enemy to be eliminated over a full-screen close up of an exploding volcano

it surprised me how much i liked it

I am not surprised, max.

a shot of Smith explaining how fear is an internal enemy to be eliminated over a full-screen close up of an exploding volcano

:-O

Roman: I’m Roman. I’m a writer. I write movies and books. I have a blog. It’s pretty cool. So what kind of stuff are you in to?

Porn star: All of it. What I really like is dragons.

Romans: Dragons? Dragons are fantasy. If there’s magical talismans or a magic sword or wizards or fucking crazy not-real animals…. all these basic things that break laws of reality: that shit’s all fantasy. I’m into hard sci-fi. Fantasy is bullshit.

??????

hard sci-fi

Tom Cruise is into hard sci-fi.

Makes you think.

this movie was pretty with good sound design stuff. max otm in re star wars stuff.

honestly i thought morgan freeman did more to drag shit down than cruise. why does he have those weird sunglasses.

Tom Cruise's star shines too brightly

Watched Oblivion tonight. Joseph Kosinski should stick to making video game trailers.

Didn't want to watch the Spurs lose, so I went to a last-night screening of Oblivion instead. Couldn't make any sense of the circular plot, but that's pretty much automatic with me. (Not that I try all that hard.) I got a few things out of it. 1) The lead actress was truly beautiful; 2) Procol Harum ("too low!" as the saying goes on polls); 3) the Andrew Wyeth painting, which I've used in class; 4) at least one funny line: Cruise parks the space vehicle in the middle of a vast desert, looks over at the woman and says "Wait here"; and 5) second flipping-through-albums scene I've seen in a month. I really like the idea that piles of albums on the floor is now cinematic shorthand for the past, whether the past is Paris '68 or Earth 2017.

can't believe oblivion is the firs movie where tom cruise fights with himself

he did not JUMP on the couch, he STOOD on the couch

How YouTube and Internet Journalism Destroyed Tom Cruise, Our Last Real Movie Star

http://www.laweekly.com/2014-05-22/news/the-last-movie-star/?showFullText=true

i love tom cruise our last real movie star

Cruise Jump & Dean Scream

LA Wkly chuckly curiosity is the next week's Village Voice cover

I thought Edge of Tomorrow was pretty solid! it's no Groundhog Day, but it did have a couple of nice twists on that formula (namely that you have to die to reset, and that there's a lot at stake). Tons of Aliens, a bit of District 9, some Matrix, a bit of Starship Troopers ... I thought that LA Weekly save-a-Cruise piece was pretty silly, but I get that movie stars have their place. I'm not sure there are many dudes who could hold a movie like this together quite as well. Also, it wasn't too long, it didn't take itself too seriously, and the FX were really strong.

Was looking for a thread on it, but couldn't find one and was too lazy to look for a Cruise thread. I really enjoyed it. It borrows a ton from other movies like you mentioned but the execution is pulled off well. Hit the right balance of humor/action for me. My biggest complaints were that it takes a little while to get going (especially if you are aware of the Groundhog Day premise) and the ending was really drab-looking in comparison to the rest of the movie.

i loved this, the humor especially, and the riffing on video game respawning. blunt and cruise didn't really seem to have any chemistry? but i've been recommending this to people all weekend.

Yeah, who would have guessed that Andie MacDowell and Bill Murray would have better chemistry? I really liked the toll coming back seemed to take on Cruise. The relationship between the two had this feeling of not love but genuine affection. Who knows how much cumulative time he ends up spending with her, but he's his one constant companion in a weird scenario that only she understands, so he wants her to be OK. Cruise I thought was really good at conveying his concern for her well-being not as a lust object but as a friend and fellow traveler.

knight and day was alright tbh

I really liked the toll coming back seemed to take on Cruise

yeah the london seq. in particular i thought was well handled

that's just the congestion charge tbf

This would have been much better and more plausible with louie ck as the lead and tom cruise as the inscrutable alien incapable of human emotions

Shlub in the lead would have been *too* much Groundhog Day, but second point is OTM.

Something else nice about this: it was PG-13, but for once it seemed neither compromised down from an R nor unnecessarily grimmed up to make it a PG-13. In fact, there is very little blood or language, and no sex, so I guess it's PG-13 for general intensity and I suppose the central morbidity of the main premise?

i did think the very first death with cruise's face dissolving full of glowing holes was kind of morbidly done

you're kind of morbidly done

damn why you do me like that

shoulda been R, shoulda forced cruise to watch someone he is constantly growing to care about dying w/horrific 80s-cronenberg gore. that was the hook for me anyway, the death-viewing. wasn't really super convincing when it's always just emily blunt's not looking dead enough. i hate gore and i would've barfed but still.

also shoulda been called "all you need is kill" come on "the edge of tomorrow"? is this en EPCOT attraction?

yeah all you need is kill is an a+ title

the magi-kill history tour

xps i know right, i'm really disappointed they didn't go with All You Need Is Kill, I mean, come on!!

All You Need is Kill is one of the best titles ever. I'd like to think name-change was Tom's idea.

I thought the violence was implied nicely. Like when he rolls under the truck and you just hear this wet "crunch."

that was great

this was awesome. i like how it was in some ways the perfect Cruise movie for Cruise haters -- movie starts with him trying to turn on the charm and weasel out of a situation, it backfires and he spends the whole movie dying over and over to redeem his cowardice. it's basically exactly what you want to see really happen to him after the whole quote came out saying shooting his movies "feels like" fighting in Afghanistan.

kinda surprised me to hear it remarked that this movie was light on gore because i totally didn't notice while watching it, felt like it did a good job for a sci fi movie of immersing you Saving Private Ryan-style in the fear and panic of war.

The blood spatter may have been off-camera, but this movie was incredibly grisly with the constant dismemberment and disemboweling and face-melting and all!

my only problem with this movie is that as soon as he loses his powers, the movie loses its best trick, and it becomes kinda just another ok action movie. they totally should have waited until the last minute to do that.

otm about this being a great movie for Cruise haters, btw
but I think he's just a great choice by nature for these kinds of sci-fi movies; see also War of the Worlds and Minority Report. something about his bizarre charisma

s1ocki, i agree about the last section too - it just becomes a generic action movie at that point

actually liked how once he loses the power it kinda ratcheted the tension up because the movie has already so thoroughly established how easy it is to die

not that you expect him to die without saving the day of course, but felt right as the final twist on the gimmick

to me most of the fun of this movie was anticipating & enjoying how the time-reset dynamic affected every situation

face-melting

― Nhex, Monday, June 30, 2014 3:01 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm i pulled a face @ that

biggest single laugh of the movie was

"what do we do now?"
"...i don't know. we've never gotten this far."

ha ya

that and b-pax face when cruise rolls under the truck

what hoos?

paxton was some obvious, awesome casting

"all you need is kill" is ungrammatical engrish

My fave facet of this film is unfortunately not very well explored, namely that the aliens want Cruise alive (so that he loses his power to reset) and Cruise wants to die, a funny twist on the usual. There's only that one sequence at the dam where they corner him and don't kill him so he has to find a way to do it himself.

ya true

what hoos?

what nhex

sorry, my mind blanked for a second, nm

"all you need is kill" is ungrammatical engrish

― Rrrhhhh (abanana), Monday, June 30, 2014 11:41 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so

anyway most obvious reference/inspiration has to be aliens right? everything bill paxton touches turns to aliens

it seemed clear that they were trying to do some gender role subversion -- seemed really obvious during the extra-tropey scene where cruise dresses blunt's wounds. i haven't put any thought into it but i at least appreciate that they turned tom into a damsel in distress. usually movies that try to be BADASS WOMAN POST-FEMINIST MOVIE RAAAHHH sticks the badass woman with an even more badass man. and i like how cruise tries to have his manly chivalry sacrifice moment even though it made no sense and they both knew it made no sense

i have to call them cruise and blunt cause i have no recollection of their names

whole thing felt like such an 80s throwback, wanna see it again and ~think~ on it

"all you need is kill" is ungrammatical engrish

― Rrrhhhh (abanana), Monday, June 30, 2014 11:41 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

http://i.imgur.com/U33LrjH.jpg

Kinda wonder if Cruise is doing so many sci fi movies because they accord with his religion

Wanna poll Cruise sci fi flicks, might leave Minority Report out to make it more fair

"dark of the moon" is inappropriately poetic but not ungrammatical.

pretty sure scientology explains will smith's current films (and lack thereof)

grammar isn't real

all u need is stfu

Lol @ labeling "Dark of the moon" as "inappropriately poetic" but "All you need is kill" is straight up "engrish"

Good day to you, an banana

louie CK also would have been better as lead in minority report, and tom cruise recast as the vat-grown transhuman psychic.

How is 'all you need is kill' Engrish? Obviously it's just substituting "kill" for "love," "all you need is love" being a phrase everyone knows. No one would sub "kill" for "love" accidentally. So it's an intentional substitution. Maybe it makes sense in the book? Is the woman/love interest in the book, too?

i mean not that i agree with axe banana but you know "love" is usually not interpreted as a verb in that title

but yes it's a clear reference which makes pretty much any word you use to substitute poetically acceptable, not that any of this matters because grammar isn't real and this conversation is fucking stupid let's all shut up please

Kinda wonder if Cruise is doing so many sci fi movies because they accord with his religion

Wanna poll Cruise sci fi flicks, might leave Minority Report out to make it more fair

― 龜, Monday, June 30, 2014 7:13 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why would you leave out the like... third-best one?

Gauntlet thrown

EoT fulfilled need for both military sci-fi and to see Tom Cruise killed repeatedly. Flashback to Space Ace/Dragon's Lair arcade game hell about getting the exactly movement correct.

I hate Cruise but p much loved EoT, apart from the nonsensical tacked on happy ending.

yeah, EoT was great fun

Edge of Tomorrow! Good movie!
And yes, I also thought of Space Ace while watching it.

Heh, good call

Space Ace, the ... sequel to Dragon's Lair?

three posts up was too far to look?

I was just asking if that was the Space Ace mentioned, since I literally have not thought about it in ... 30 years?

yup

EoT is not a good movie. The awkward out-of-his-depth Cruise is kinda fun in the first half, but then it turns into just another big-budget,faux-complex noisefest.

so yeah, a video game, ie FUCKIT.

Noah Taylor is the highlight once the cowardly Cruise part is over. Tho Emily Blunt helps make things tolerable.

video game movies need the most love

oh damn i did not recognize noah taylor. good premise but ending, yeah, was straight schlock.

Dunno if I would call it schlock, but it was consciously lite entertainment for sure.

The first act was so knowing, so well-edited. The whole film felt carefully attenuated to an audience's ability to twig onto the rules and scope of the time-fuckery. There wasn't a lot of unnecessary story, and the military-pr0n made a nifty backdrop. Cruise was well-cast. The stakes changed appropriately in the second act, and Blunt was a good charact. Third act just felt lazy and perfunctory. I don't know what would have been better. Also, I think that if the two leads had switched roles the movie would've worked a lot better.

I could see Blunt perhaps doing as a good job as the protagonist, but Cruise definitely felt more suited (esp. the first half) as a cocky propagandist

i really hated the way the aliens looked like glowing metal spaghetti

decent flick tho

everyone otm about this film falling apart in the last reel, but still decent yes.

though what's up with them changing the title for the video release? isn't that a marketing team's nightmare?

rock of ages is on abc family right now

this is a very weird film

xpost They didn't really change the title, did they? So much as radically downplay the astoundingly daft generic title, which was all the more baffling, because "All You Need Is Kill" is an AMAZING title. "Edge of Tomorrow" is like:

http://static.rogerebert.com/uploads/movie/movie_poster/mercury-rising-1998/large_22MTY11yZg6fmdI9u7lwi4uoP1P.jpg

tom cruise is licking a gal's face in front of a large crowd rn

I watched 12:01 recently. Was surprised at how high-energy it was, like EoT and not at all like Groundhog Day. 12:01's ending is also incredibly bad.

David Thomson's entry on Cruise now ends with "Edge of Tomorrow (14, Doug Liman), in which Lieutenant Colonel Bill Cage fights aliens."

I think that if the two leads had switched roles the movie would've worked a lot better.

just not as funny or moving as Groundhog Day

it wasn't an emotional comedy. it was a very good action scifi tho.

xp what is, though, really?

kung fu hustle

nonstop action really bores the living hell out of me.

Me too

though Cruise being paraded everywhere as the Angel of Verdun is kinda lol

Just saw this again. Especially in light of "Jurassic World" and its billions in the bank, it is utterly dumbfounding that this movie was not huge. Box office disappointment aside, it's the sort of movie made for a movie star anchor. Just as I can't imagine Cruise dorking around in "Jurassic Word," I couldn't imagine someone like Chris Pratt keeping this one together. I actually think Cruise is really good in it, too. There's a nice beat where some old man calls his character a coward, and just with his eyes and a wince he conveys his frustration, knowing that he has died hundreds of times, in the most horrible, painful ways possible, again and again, by choice, sacrificing himself for the sake of the human race, and there's just no way he can explain that to anyone.

Hmm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEBIJRAkujM

Seems like a Nic Cage sort of role.

Tom Cruise is slowly turning into Sandi Toksvig. pic.twitter.com/UafWkeW8Bx

— Richard Littler (@richard_littler) August 23, 2017

I watched one of the Jack Reacher movies on Netflix. Nothing special, but there's a moment when Cruise approaches a car where a couple of detectives are tracking him and he goes "How are ya!" with this earnest disarming smile right before he smashes their window and grabs their guns. He does studied charisma really well, though the new one makes me wonder when these roles will start to seem desperate and embarrassing or if can grow into a Liam Neeson-style mature bruiser.

I recommend this thread

I don't know how to supercut so please forgive/enjoy the upcoming thread https://t.co/aWUY0NZlXw

— Anthony C-M (@anthonymiccio) August 30, 2017

good stuff!

ha ha. this happens in get smart, too, with barbara feldon always slouching when she's beside don adams.

man i hope kelly mcgillis had a decent physio on-set, seeing all that slouching made my own back start hurt

I don't see how keeping her eyes open during a kiss helps tbh

Scottish comedian Frankie Boyle has a trenchant joke that encapsulates the fundamental arrogance of so much American war cinema: “American foreign policy is horrendous 'cause not only will America come to your country and kill all your people, but what's worse, I think, is that they'll come back 20 years later and make a movie about how killing your people made their soldiers feel sad.” Doug Liman's American Made, a rollicking comedy based on the drug-smuggling, gun-running, contra-funding exploits of C.I.A.-backed pilot Barry Seal (Tom Cruise), represents a discomfiting corollary: Not only will America attempt to destabilize your country with insidious covert ops, they'll come back decades later and make a movie about how much fucking fun it was.

https://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/american-made

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/jul/05/the-top-20-tom-cruise-movies-ranked

'War of the Worlds' below 'Cocktail' and 'Days of Thunder' is certainly an interesting take.

8. Minority Report (2002)
Cruise and Spielberg should, by rights, be as natural a combination as bread and butter, and yet Minority Report is the only truly satisfying movie they have made together.

The only one out of...two

this is genuinely the greatest scene ever committed to film

pic.twitter.com/VZXRJctPcc

— velma 🐀 (@maggotmagick) June 23, 2022