List conspiracy theories here.

At the risk of death, I'm going to post. I've been looking for a picture of that diagram on the back of GYBE "Yanqui UXO" to post - charting major record labels' connections to WMDs, but I can't find it.

my weird looney-liberal friend just sent me this insane youtube conspiracy thingo. thots?

i like this one - CEOs resigning! they must know something

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message981908/pg34

Jay-Z is a Satan worshipping Freemason:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDgUTQYEIas

we can't get new 'I Love Football' board cos mods be shook

Lady Gaga is an agent of the Illuminati

http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=3306

The Transhumanist and Police State Agenda in Pop Music

that video is hilarious. jay-z uses the word blueprint and thus he must be evil. like architects. or something. burn down all buildings designed by an architect imo. and rappers.

In this symbolic image, Rihanna’s Mickey Mouse hat represents Mind Control. She is sitting on the phallic symbol that is the tank’s cannon. In other words, she is a pawn of the Illuminati agenda.

The Denver International Airport/NWO conspiracy theory.

superb article.

you want to believe.

Denver International Airport ups the conspiracy talk by installing a seven-ton, 26-foot-tall concrete sculpture Anubis.

They only want you to believe that it's promo for the Denver Art Museum's King Tut exhibit.

This airport thing is blowing my mind, I've never heard about it before. There are some frightening people out there.

Awesome New Scientist article:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20627606.100-living-in-denial-why-sensible-people-reject-the-truth.html?full=true

Living in denial: Why sensible people reject the truth

This should also go in the anti-vaxxer thread.

DIA conspiracy theory is the best one going these day imo

What's with giant statues of Anubis?

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1098/4594082308_02a075963c_b.jpg

^outside a local cinema.

ha. is that the Arundel Mills Mall theater in MD?

http://i49.tinypic.com/v7cjkj.png

omgz swastika airport

DIA airport conspiracy theories are some of the craziest/stupidest/most entertaining. P sure Anubis will have a hard time topping the mustang unless it has a big veiny ballsack showing, too.

http://artistsblog.artistsnetwork.com/content/binary/HorseWeb.jpg

This is your competition, Anubis! How can you top glowing eyes?

How did the artist who made the devil-horse not realize how much it looked like a devil-horse?

By being killed by the statue itself before he could complete it!

That's another thing, Anubis: you have to kill one or more of your creators.

Ok, but if I was making a totally innocent stallion, and half-way through the process I noticed it was looking a little demonic, I'd put a halt to the construction before my statue became possessed and destroyed its maker. Like, don't finish the thing and then be surprised when it rises up against you to kill you!

That CEOs resigning one Tracer posted above also mentions the airport! People on the forum are like "omg 50 ceos in 3 weeks? CHECK ACTIVITY AT DIA!".

Like... wut.

I love the DIA conspiracy theories so much. That mustang is fucking sick, too.

otm

Ol' Bluecifer there was originally supposed to SHOOT LASERS from his eyes!

Amusing ironic looking line in the denial article:

"Many denialist movements originate as cynical efforts by corporations to cast doubt on findings that threaten their bottom line."

"Denver is scheduled to be the Western headquarters of the US New World Order during martial law take over," Icke wrote in his 1999 book, The Biggest Secret. "Other contacts who have been underground at the Denver Airport claim that there are large numbers of human slaves, many of them children, working there under the control of the reptilians."

I read about Icke last night after readign this thread. I'd heard his name but never really looked up who he was. It was almost Alan Patridge-like, the way he went from being a liked, succesful BBC sports presenter to an utter nutbag. Going on Wogan and saying "I am the son of god"?? Bloody nora. Why didnt someone get him some mental help? He's clearly ill.

Because a lot of people need to read stuff about The JOOISH Cunspiricy without falling afoul of European hate speech laws.

Subsitute the word 'want' for the word 'need' up there.

I'm trying to figure out what these slaves of the reptilians do at the airport. Are they whipped and forced to push a big wheel that makes the luggage movers operate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkOy7c7hhss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAQruqjfT1s

I need to find a reason to go to Denver now. Must witness this monument to NWO/illuminati/stonecutters/lizard people ASAP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj8741m2jLc&feature=related

THE SUN AND MOON ARE THE SAME SIZE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lfWxOdl9-0

LOLOLOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDgUTQYEIas

IMAGINE THE FLAMES FROM A MOON SIZED FIRE

RE: Anubis.

Recently I read Robert Anton Wilson's Cosmic Trigger Vol. 1 and a theory that he entertains for most of the book is that we were visited by people from the Sirius system, that occult knowledge of this visitation is prevalent in ancient Egyptian religious symbolism (and the closely related calendar/astrological systems), and that most of the advanced occult groups (he focuses on Crowley's) regard this as top-level secret knowledge.

Anubis could very well be Sirius B. Anubis is black skinned, and Sirius B. is the dark companion star in the Sirius system, which "is also known colloquially as the "Dog Star", reflecting its prominence in its constellation, Canis Major. The heliacal rising of Sirius marked the flooding of the Nile in Ancient Egypt.

Btw, I just wanna say that I love conspiracy theories (as long as they aren't too racist/anti-Semitic/horrible) and even tho I can't really believe them myself, I think they're a super awesome human way of interacting with the world. It seems very human to me to invent these ridiculous stories for how our civilizations came to be. It's like this prehistory thing, looking up to the sky and thinkin about god or aliens or whatever to explain how mysterious and weird life is. it gives me big <3 feelings

http://gawker.com/5556281/was-obama-in-the-1993-music-video-for-whoomp-there-it-is

http://i48.tinypic.com/2ildbao.gif

kind of have a very different reaction. less "oh, how creative" more "what the fuck is wrong with your brain".

xp

The older I get, the less I can derive enjoyment from conspiracy theories... the more they all seem like fruiting bodies of minds in agony. And also it seems like they ALL GET RACIAL when you trace them far enough, it's kinda depressing.

First commenter on that New Scientist article is blisteringly OTM:

People deny because there's today little if any culture for uncertainty and lack of knowledge. There's no room for not knowing. One either buys the news or one denies it, but one ought to have SOME opinion and preferable a strong one, reasonable or not.

I think the problem could be greatly alleviated if there was a better awareness for the limits of our understanding generally and what uncertainty there is and that uncertainty is just part of life as much as of science. I have noticed that it happens people learn that something about a scientific theory is unclear even to the experts and they take this as reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater, (not even the experts know!) henceforth ignoring (denying) any evidence in favor of the previously discarded theory (not able to admit their own lack of knowledge, trying to erase uncertainty).

I need that pinned above my desk for all time, srsly.

fruiting bodies of minds in agony

I like this image!

I feel like blaming "The Da Vinci Code" indirectly for Lady Gaga & Jay Z's Illuminati symbolism. Not that these pop stars couldn't be winking publicly about their secret knowledge, but it comes across to me as strictly a fashion thing. Due to Dan Brown there's now public awareness and a market for this kind of stuff. The symbolism is use in the pop world as evidence of elitism and power in an industry that is perpetually selling the public on status and glamor. Just trade a Hummer for a pyramid with an eye in it. There doesn't seem to be any ideological or philosophical discussion introduced through these symbols, merely superficial representation.

What I'm saying is it would bug me less if Jay Z was boasting hidden knowledge of moon bases or Lizard People or a hollow earth or something.

lol, do Lady Gaga + Jay-Z really have illuminati symbolism?

The arguments for those "celebrity/movie has Illuminati imagery" are sooo silly – what it typically comes down to is the person finding circles, triangles, and things that look like eyes in things. Like I was watching some video that claimed Rocky swallowing eggs was "Horus imagery." Uh....sure.

Read some of those sites, they're hilarious.

"In this fashion shoot - a photo shoot thematically based on Illuminati imagery - Lady Gaga is shown alongside Illuminati imagery! Clearly this proves she is a high level member of the Illuminati."

Recently I read the CLASSIC Behold a Pale Horse for the first time and my favorite bit of that book was when he claimed the moon actually ISNT tidally locked to the Earth. He doesn't even explain his theory behind this, he just states it!

The spooky thing about that book is how the whole intro has Cooper talking about the media's unrelenting smear campaign against him and how these all-powerful people will end up killing him for revealing all these truths. And whaddya know, in 2001 he was killed by FBI agents...

In the 1990s Cooper's interest moved from UFOs, to covert government programs and the militia movement. In June 2001 he warned publicly about an important terrorist attack on United States of America that would be blamed on Osama Bin Laden.[12]

Holy shit is this true? Wow.

oh yeah Behold A Pale horse was a real, uh...eye opener when I read it as a teenager. Cooper was one crazy motherfucker. I'll give him this much: he walked the crazy walk, that's for sure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPcia9hQohY

Towards the beginning of the book when he's talking about his military experience he mentions experiencing UFOs out at sea, some of them rising up out of the water, which ties into one of my favorite books "Invisible Residents". Basically the book makes the Chariot of the Gods case about ancient civilization being visited, except instead of UFO from the sky they are UFOs from the ocean. Included are plenty of tantalizing 19th century reports from shipping vessels of strange lights underneath their ships while in the middle of the ocean. Author Ivan Sanderson manages to stay on this one topic for the entirety of the book, which is a welcome change from most conspiracy books I've read!

Ivan Sanderson comes more from the cryptozoology school than the UFO/conspiracy school, which is probably why. Different breed of nutty.

i think this video is when conspiracy theories, as a genre of human expression, truly, completely and hilariously jumped the shark:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3qFdbUEq5s

You guys need to read this book:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51WObHw93RL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

It's awesome in complete decimation of everything from the Protocols of Zion to all the Priory of Sion bullshit that let to the DVC.

There is no santa claus.

― hmmm (hmmm), Tuesday, April 6, 2004

take it back

http://158.130.17.5/~myl/languagelog/archives/marx.jpg

this one is good, don't know if it's been discussed
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/05/06/bp-oil-spill-conspir.html#previouspost

http://gawker.com/5556281/was-obama-in-the-1993-music-video-for-whoomp-there-it-is?skyline=true&s=i

XXDATE: 10-Jun-2010

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THOUGHTS: This mail is from the grandmoviestar from Hollywood [NAME DELETED] and is for the reporter Jay Hernandes. Before you read the rest of this mail you have to understand that most movies what you see in the theaters from Hollywood right now like Ironman,Prince of Persia,Clash of the Titans,Avatar,Transformers part 1,2,3 and 4 were filmed 11 years ago in 1998/1999/ 2000.I got kidnapped in Hollywood in 1999 and after this something happened and these movies were removed/ stolen.It caused a situation between 1999 and today that evolved into a scandal like Watergate.To give this some credibility;When you watch the movie Jennifer’s Body there isn’t 1 girl that’s Megan Fox but there are 6 different girls who are all 1 Megan Fox in this movie.That’s because Megan Fox isn’t 1 person but they are 23 different models and actresses who are all 1 Megan Fox.Just watch the movie because some girls don’t look like each other at all. -The movie G.I.Joe and the promotion material[posters,bilboards etc.] from this movie don’t belong together[you can see scene's and characters on the posters etc.from the 2nd G.I.Joe movie that aren't in the 1st G.I.Joe movie]that’s because the movie is the 1st movie but the promotion material is from the 2nd G.I.Joe movie[with me as Sergeant Slaughter and Sienna Miller as The Baroness] that was stolen[the 2nd movie and the promotion material from the 1st movie] by Vin Diesel and Jennifer Aniston by burglarising the moviecompany that had these movies.Jennifer Aniston was jealous because I dumped Jennifer Aniston and started a relationship with Sienna Miller so she stole our movie. For more information about the scandal and a list of all the movies that were filmed go to my space and type [DELETED CONTACT INFO]. Vin Diesel still has the promotion material from the 1st movie and Jennifer Aniston still has the 2nd movie.

not so much conspiracy theory as person with schizophrenia

OMG I have a total weakness for that kind of conspiracy rant (the 'i am at the center of a web of celebrity conspiracy' mode). You have just made me v v happy.

There is a guy on a Rush usenet group who has a similar steez with regard to Geddy and Neal and how they have fucked his life over.

Also I REALLY REALLY like the premise of this one.

megan fox is like the father, son, and holy spirit + 20 other people

That rainbow video is the greatest thing ever

Can I just

There is a guy on a Rush usenet group who has a similar steez with regard to Geddy and Neal and how they have fucked his life over.

Oh man, if you want to read something great Google "solaris blueraven rush" and stand back.

i found those kinds of things incredibly depressing, it's not like just some wacky idea some dimbulbs have run with but some serious mental illness shit. that person is probably living in a kind of hell

true. i didn't know if it was even real or not. i found it on some entertainment blog that was linked somewhere.

well shame on u

"There is a guy on a Rush usenet group who has a similar steez with regard to Geddy and Neal and how they have fucked his life over."
more details please!

have we talked about the guy who thinks sylvester stallone is dead and the stallone we have now is a b-movie actor from the 70s who has had a ton of plastic surgery?

jimi hendrix rock prophecy guy

"There is a guy on a Rush usenet group who has a similar steez with regard to Geddy and Neal and how they have fucked his life over."

>>more details please!

Wow, see last time I looked in there were actual sane conversations about Rush going on, with L1b3r@tor's insane posts here and there. Now it seems he's almost the only one posting:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.music.rush/topics?lnk=rgh

Holy shit wait is it the same guy as latebloomer's?

Scientists create synthetic cell/organism (Megan Fox is proof)

We all know by certain individuals thought to be dead they're way way
beyond this. This was achieved 50 years ago, probably by a Nazi
scientist. Megan Fox wants people to know by her tatoo. That's all I
can say at this time (for those that don't know).

That rainbow video! I immediately signed this petition and you should too:
http://www.petitiononline.com/h2o/petition.html

And also it seems like they ALL GET RACIAL when you trace them far enough, it's kinda depressing.

― Blog is a concept by which we measure our pain (Jon Lewis)

Can't spell "comspiracy" without r-a-c-i-s-m

lol

Speaking of Usenet crazies, anyone recall the guy on alt.prophecies.nostrodamus that some guy posted in August 2001? Look up "Xinoehpoel".

Oops I brainfarted. the guy on alt.prophecies.nostrodamus that posted in August 2001 about "911" and then on sept 4 said "in 7 days I am going away and wont be back". Creepy.

A cabal of evil corporate geniuses have generated thousands of useless internetish and cell phonish technologies as the most invasive and effective way to distract the minions from the fact that they have taken over our government, committing crimes against humanity and are polluting our environment.

http://alllayedout.com/Images/Funny_Posters/graphics/whatever.jpg

o_0 at that Solaris Blueraven/Neil Peart thing. She could practically be another Verbal Kint-level talespinner

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9219647520615705963#

USA Today's been reading this thread:

Matt Chasansky, the public art administrator at Denver airport, has watched all the YouTube videos, answered many e-mails and read all the internet postings about the secret messages allegedly embedded in murals, sculpture and other art pieces in the airport. He's glad people are responding emotionally to the airport's collection but insists concerns about strange doings at DEN are just misunderstandings.

One traveler wrote to complain about the "demons" in the baggage claim area. Those demons are part of Terry Allen's work, Notre Denver and are European cathedral-inspired gargoyles meant not to harm people, but to protect them from losing their luggage. Other travelers see a secret code in the words and images in 21st Century Artifacts, the four mosaic floors created by Carolyn Braaksma and Mark Villareal for Concourse B. "The piece is actually about geography, archeology and topography," says the airport's Chasansky, "And those are Native American words and symbols for the Colorado River and other sites around the area."

http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?2681-the-Case-for-A-Binary-Partner-to-our-Sun

http://www.vimeo.com/9104959

I've always thought that one of the problems with most conspiracy theories is that they aren't outlandishly batshit enough to have any kind of lasting interest. Who cares about who plugged JFK when it's possible that the entire MIddle Ages didn't exist. Meet Phantom Time Hypothesis - what happens when a clerical error goes horribly wrong.

I read the Voodoo Histories book kingfish plugged upthread. It was a very high-quality and reasoned takedown of various conspiracy theories and the conspiratorial thought process. OTOH it was what I happened to have in my purse when my husband went to the ER and I have to note: this book will not cheer you up. It will only make a bad day worse.

dude elvis holy shit what

dude elvis holy shit what

In short, the current year is 1713 and not 2010. Also Charlemagne was a fictional character. Quoting from http://www.damninteresting.com/the-phantom-time-hypothesis

The Phantom Time Hypothesis suggests that the early Middle Ages (614-911 A.D.) never happened, but were added to the calendar long ago either by accident, by misinterpretation of documents, or by deliberate falsification by calendar conspirators. This would mean that all artifacts ascribed to those three centuries belong to other periods, and that all events thought to have occurred during that same period occurred at other times, or are outright fabrications.

damn I want a movie made out of that!!!

btw Danny Glover only got into the movies because he caught Gene Wilder choking a woman in the shower and blackmailing him

Abbs, yr boy ok?

omg this http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=1565

http://www.yardwear.net/blog/content/binary/dolphin.jpg
http://www.dingogames.com/dolphin/graphics/titlescreen.jpg
http://shirtoid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/dolphin-revenge.jpg

there is a SyFy original movie in this

this one is my current fave:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redemption_movement

oh wow that is hilarious. more recommended reading:

http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Freeman_On_The_Land

these people are waaaaayyy more fucked up than e.g. climate change deniers. the level of cognitive dissonance and just plain retardation is astounding.

3) In a democracy, 'a majority' does not depend on 'large numbers'. A majority can be as low as ONE. And that ONE must, of itself, (therefore) carry sufficient empowerment to put any motion into practice. (The US Supreme Court has 9 Members. A 5 - 4 majority carries any ruling. That's 'democracy')
http://www.fmotl.com/Fundamentals.htm#BM16

Reading that entry on the Redemption Movement, it's pretty much the first 1/3 of a David Icke book I read, "Tales From the Time Loop".

My favorite current theory is from Terrence McKenna, whose "Stoned Ape" hypothesis of human evolution says that ingestion of psychedelic mushrooms is mostly responsible for evolving us into modern man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna#The_.22Stoned_Ape.22_hypothesis_of_human_evolution

A couple more fun crazy ones (killer dolphins, stoned apes, denver airport reptiles, jay-z the overlord) and we have a poll.

How likely is it, after all, that the people who drew up, for example, the tax laws, should have carefully provided a loophole such that anyone who prefers not to pay their taxes could get out of it just by shouting: "Abracadabra! Presto no taxo!"

Haha, I don't know that Terrance McKenna's ideas really count as conspiracy theories. The audience just doesn't seem like the same audience as all the other ones, is why I say that. (ie audience of McKenna = people who devote a serious percentage of their life to psychedelic drugs and/or anthropologists)

He did have that whole thing about how sugar and caffeine are drugs that fuel our society, which is true, but that they're evil and bad bcz they are not mushrooms & marijuana (maybe less true).

oooh i totally love american tax paranoiac theorizing

Ordered Voodoo Histories. Should have ordered all the books recommended on the Mexico thread as well but at this rate my book buying to reading ratio is getting ridiculous. Thinking I may have to delete my amazon account and ask them to keep pictures of me up in waterstones/charity shops so they remember to refuse me.

Sara Robinson, who've I've linked to for years on here, wrote a couple of bits using Voodoo Histories to help explain why the hell the weirder Obama conspiracies are floating around now, like he blew up the Gulf oilwell to get the energy bill passed, that sorta thing.

...Aaronovitch defines a conspiracy theory as any story that assumes that things happen due to the deliberate, covert actions of powerful others -- even when the preponderance of evidence points to the conclusion that the events were almost certainly accidental and unintended.

Unfortunately, the right wing doesn't hold the franchise on conspiracy theories -- a lot of progressives are quite ready to believe all manner of sordid things about the Bush regime, for example. But as Dr. Robert Altemeyer observed, there are distinctively conservative habits of mind (suspicion, fear of strangers, fear of change, faith in strong leaders, paranoia) that do seem to lend themselves to conspiracy thinking. It's no surprise we're seeing it out of them -- but we also need to be more acutely aware that we're hardly immune to the siren song of crazy paranoia, either.

Why do people believe this stuff? It turns out that it's a complicated issue, with several answers. Some of those answers have to do with the internal state of the people who believe them; others have to do with the cultural and political environment they're trying to navigate. This post covers some of the external factors that create a climate that predisposes people to suspend their judgment and believe the worst. Next week, I'll follow up with a second post about what goes on inside people's heads that untethers them from reason just far enough to be swept away by their fears...

annnd the followup post to that.

...The bottom line on why we believe conspiracy theories is this: We're terrified of admitting that nobody is really in control. It's a lot more comforting to think that *somebody* engineered a crisis than to reckon with the horrible, sickening fact that *nobody* did.

Most humans don't deal at all well with the cruel, capricious randomness of fate. Shit happens -- and it often happens for absolutely no meaningful reason at all. That thought makes people crazy with terror, so we make up entities to blame -- God, Satan, the Freemasons, the CIA, or the All-Seeing Eye of Sauron. It's far easier to blame it all on imaginary Lizard People from another planet than have to deal with the bald fact that millions of lives have been upended (or just ended) by an event -- and yet there is simply is nobody out there to blame for it.

As my friend Bob Mackey puts it: "The alternative is a universe that is controlled by absolutely nobody. There is no control, no security, no Men in Black or Black Helicopters or Black Hussein Presidents to frighten the God-fearing upright citizens." In the end, conspiracy theories are simply stories we tell to fill the blackness of the existential void.

Bob also reminds us to "Never confuse a conspiracy with a massive cluster f**k." The bare truth is: most conspiracies start with massive clusterfucks. And this brings us back full circle to where this series started last week -- with the gusher in the Gulf, which is much easier to explain as the massive clusterfuck the evidence tells us it is than it is to attribute any of it to malice or venality on the part of President Obama...

What surprised me most in that book is learning most conspiracy theory peeps are middle class peeps w/college degrees.

Oh yeah; it's like if you think you're smart & educated, you'll naturally gravitate to things that will make you think you're smarter. "Hey man, get hep to the REAL truth." You'll have one up on all the suckers for being able to see the lever-pulling behind-the-scenes. Not an especially admirable trait, but humans ain't too admirable.

conspiracies are real. it's just that the successful ones you never learn about...unless they want you to.

my friend does this one on the Denver Airport (he's not a believer, just finds all this weird shit interesting): http://diaconspiracyfiles.wordpress.com/

"Oh yeah; it's like if you think you're smart & educated, you'll naturally gravitate to things that will make you think you're smarter. "Hey man, get hep to the REAL truth." You'll have one up on all the suckers for being able to see the lever-pulling behind-the-scenes."

The flipside of this is true, too. Many other people like to pat themselves on the back for seeing through the illusions of "crazy" people.

I should know!

Truth is we're all crazy. We're all crazy.

On the contrary, believing in one or more conspiracy theories seems to be compulsory in modern society, with people treating you as if you were naive if you don't.

it IS naive not to believe in one or two. after being involved in a creepy very secretive cult for several months i have firsthand experience with this. it may not be illluminati or spacemen, but there's weird shit going on everywhere!

But the real weird shit that goes on is very different from the fake weird shit that people make up. The fake stuff reads like fiction--they have morals and endings where everything gets resolved and other stuff that very, very rarely happens in real life.

Conspiracy Theorists = terrorists

Secrecy surrounding counter-terrorism operations is fuelling mistrust of authorities, a study by independent think tank Demos suggests.

It urges the government and secret services to be more open to stop extremist groups using conspiracy theories to discredit them.

A Demos spokesman said: "Less-secret services could make Britain safer."

The study calls for greater communication with trusted community leaders and individuals.

The report - entitled the Power of Unreason - says groups use conspiracy theories to recruit and radicalise people to commit acts of violence.

An example of one such theory is that the bombings in New York and London, on 11 September 2001 and 7 July 2005 respectively, were "inside jobs" carried out by authorities in the US and UK.

Other theories highlighted were that "freemasons control the world economy through manipulation of paper currency", that the UK government is "consciously seeking to destroy Islam" and that a "conspiracy between the Japanese government, the US, and the Jews existed to gain world domination".

The study claims such theories are frequently adopted by extremist groups to demonise outsiders, discredit moderates and push them in a more extreme and sometimes violent direction.

The report's authors made a number of recommendations concerning the counter-terrorism work carried out by MI5, MI6 and GCHQ and the government.

The publication of all National Security Council annual reports, including outlining the risks to national security and the current terrorist threat, was among their suggestions aimed at improving transparency.

"Conspiracy Theorists = terrorists"

most conspiracy theorists are not even violent, let alone terrorists! you only feed their persecution complex when you tar them all with the same brush.

"reasonable" people can be just as dismissive and prejudiced as the "crazies".

well yes. but reasonable people are much less dismissive and prejudiced than the crazies.

http://wfmu.org/playlists/DX

Dave Emory (who I thought I linked to on this previously but must've been another thread) does radio shows about all kinds of crazy things, from actual covert government operations to weird UFO stories. Two years ago he had a series of shows about Sarah Palin's links with secessionist and white power groups, and one of his pet conspiracies is that Ronald Reagan let an ex-Nazi pick all his cabinet members and that basically after WWII Nazis have infiltrated American politics. There's some fictional book that he says basically describes what has happened FOR REAL, but I can't find the name of it...

used to listen to emory for lols, one time during a fundraiser or something someone asked him about his love life and he made some half-hearted excuse about his research taking up all his time, could imagine him spending all his time on a blind date detailing the bush family/nazi connection

I really like the tone of his broadcasts. He's not screaming at you like 90% of political pundits, he's laying out these theories and hypotheses as if they were 100% valid facts, and his faith in it all comes through in his voice. It's pretty great.

http://jalopnik.com/5662917/car+eating-rabbits-invade-denver-airport

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJB2Woe5zeQ&feature=player_embedded#!

that one's a doozy

clear your schedules guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74lVrwA8K5g&feature=channel

she also has an interesting business opportunity at 5:00

at least the party won't have to worry about running out of assorted nuts

This story is setting off lots of conspiracy trip wires

A former Army officer and longtime government and business consultant who played a key role 30 years ago in erecting the Vietnam Veterans Memorial was found dead in a Delaware landfill Friday in what police said was a homicide.

John P. Wheeler III, 66, a graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point whose civilian career included stints at the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Pentagon and an array of nonprofit organizations, had not been dead for long when his body was found in a Wilmington dump, police said.

Authorities, who publicly identified the body Monday, would not say how Wheeler died, but they said an autopsy concluded that the death was a homicide.

Wheeler, who had been working for a McLean company that does computer-related research and development for government agencies, was the first chairman of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund, serving from 1979 to 1989.

.....

Wheeler had been working since March 2009 as a consultant at the nonprofit Mitre Corp. in McLean, company spokeswoman Jennifer J. Shearman said. She said the company does information technology work for several federal agencies, including the Defense and Homeland Security departments, but she did not know what type of work Wheeler did.

"He was a complicated man of very intense (and sometimes changeable) friendships, passions and causes," one of his longtime friends, journalist James Fallows of the Atlantic, wrote on the magazine's Web site Monday.

...and it's already been linked to the weird bird deaths in Arkansas and Louisiana. Also, why not throw in manufactured earthquakes while you're at it. (obv. use multiple grains of salt w.r.t. site)

A shocking report prepared for Prime Minister Putin by the Foreign Military Intelligence Directorate (GRU) states that one of the United States top experts in biological and chemical weapons was brutally murdered after he threatened to expose a US Military test of poison gas that killed hundreds of thousands of animals in Arkansas this past week.

According to this report, John P. Wheeler III, Special Assistant to the Secretary of the Air Force, Washington, D.C. from 2005-2008, when he became the Special Assistant to the Acting Assistant Secretary of the Air Force for Installations, Logistics and Environment, was found brutally murdered and dumped in a landfill, and as we can read as reported by Fox News:
“Delaware Police are investigating the apparent murder of a former Bush official who also championed the fund-raising effort to build the Vietnam Veterans Memorial on the Mall in Washington, D.C. Wheeler’s body was found in Wilmington on Friday.

According to police, somebody initially reported that the body was dumped out of a refuse truck, which would have been coming from Newark, onto the landfill. Newark Police spokesman Lt. Mark Farrall told Fox News that nobody had reported Wheeler missing before he was found.

The Wilmington News Journal reported that Wheeler was last seen riding an Amtrak train from Washington to Wilmington, Del., last Tuesday.”

Wheeler’s military career included writing one of the most important manuals on the effectiveness of biological and chemical weapons which led to his being hired in 2009 as a consultant to the Mitre Corporation, whose aviation system development department, the GRU reports, is at the forefront of creating the computer command and control systems used by the US Air Force in their fleet of aerial spraying planes.

These aerial spraying planes, this report continues, are based at the Little Rock Air Force Base in Arkansas that over the past few months have been involved with ‘test dispersants’ of poisonous gasses in the Afghanistan War Theater using chemical weapons stocks obtained from Iraq and held at the Pine Bluff Arsenal, also located in Arkansas.

Important to note about the Pine Bluff Arsenal, which calls itself “America’s Arsenal”, is that it is one of the World’s most specialized munitions and chemical-biological defense products and services bases which Russia had previously accused of not fully reporting the chemical agents removed from Iraq, between 2003 and 2008, and taken to the US for testing and subsequent destruction.

According to this report, the US relocated from Iraq to the Pine Bluff Arsenal an estimated 63,000 metric tonnes of the poisonous gas Phosgene that is described as one of the most feared chemical weapons ever used due to its ability to literally cause the lungs and respiratory system to explode.

Nearly immediately after Russia accused the US this past summer of not fully destroying Iraq’s Phosgene poisonous gas stockpile the Pine Bluff Arsenal began an ‘accelerated’ disposal programme injecting it deep into the ground in central Arkansas, but which, unfortunately, since this past September, has caused over 500 minor earthquakes to occur raising the concerns of their local population.

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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9627011/chin_scratch.gif

I don't recall ever seeing them in the same room together.

I've recently met a bunch of people who honestly believe conspiracy theories its pretty disheartening abt the world

they're like not old either

in bill james' "popular crime" book, he goes through the various kennedy assassination theories and dismisses them, but then says there is one theory that he has come to believe in. basically in this theory, oswald was acting alone, did shoot two shots at kennedy, but these shots missed. the shot that killed kennedy was accidentally fired by a secret service agent in the car behind kennedy's in the procession, who basically panicked when he heard oswald's shots, pulled his gun and accidentally fired. james thinks only a few people (possibly not even the secret service agent) realized what happened and covered it up to protect the secret service as an agency, and goes through all the ballistics stuff for why he came to believe this theory.

Mortal Error: The Shot That Killed JFK (1992) by Bonar Menninger (ISBN 0-312-08074-3) alleges that while Oswald did attempt to assassinate JFK and did succeed in wounding him, the fatal shot was accidentally fired by Secret Service agent George Hickey, who was riding in the Secret Service follow-up car directly behind the Presidential Limousine. The theory alleges that after the first two shots were fired the motorcade sped up while Hickey was attempting to respond to Oswald's shots and he lost his balance and accidentally pulled the trigger of his AR-15 and shot JFK. Hickey's testimony says otherwise: "At the end of the last report (shot) I reached to the bottom of the car and picked up the AR 15 rifle, cocked and loaded it, and turned to the rear." (italics added).[128] George Hickey sued Menninger in April 1995 for what he had written in Mortal Error. The case was dismissed as its statute of limitations had run out.

mainly just think it's interesting because bill james says he believes it and because it's a more "credible" conspiracy theory that wouldn't require as big of a coverup. don't believe it's true though.

i wonder if paranoid conspiracy theorists are gaining in number. i unexpectedly ran into them online on 2 occasions not too long ago when they were fervently spamming their beliefs @ groups of people interested in the global movement for social justice that is going on... i was shocked by the antisemitism most of them seemed to have in common.

It's the historic template for all conspiracy theories I guess - hard to avoid those genre trails even when you're applying the structures to something new. In some ways conspiracy theory could be said to have designed itself round anti-semitism. Millennial fear and perceptions of hidden power structures.

last post before mysyerious crash...

COINCIDENCE?

i think not.

ILX mods are covering for the sham nation of israel's quest for global domination

Paul Is Dead ftw

the real cover-up there was that it was ringo done it

Couple days ago I discovered that my old high school physics teacher is a 9/11 truther: http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/04/when-will-david-chandler-fix-his-errors.html

have we done Libor yet?
a little bit was posted on the FB thread, which prompted me to google a little more.
get your string diagrams ready, this one's a doozy.

http://www.examiner.com/article/libor-scandal-grows-as-the-fathers-of-two-mass-murderers-were-to-testify

O_o

The LIBOR thing doesn't even make sense in conspiracy logic... "These dudes know too much about some money thing so lets -- mind control their kids into being spree killers! Yes, its perfect... almost ~too perfect~..." IDGI, and I can understand the weird leap-of-faith loosely-connected threads of most conspiracy theory-type thinking.

Also it's super boring. It's got nothing on the secret nazi shadow government in league with reptilian inter-dimensional aliens that controls the world from the DIA. (did you ever notice that the Defense Intelligence Agency and the Denver International Airport have the same initials???? hmmmmmmmm)

I mean, the people who would believe this "LIBOR connection" thing already likely believe that the powers that be can manipulate the weather with HAARP and beam microwave thoughts into peoples heads and possibly have a hi-tech base/lab set up on the dark side of the moon... so you'd think covering up a financial scandal would be child's play that doesn't require mass murder.

OTOH I can totally understand senseless tragedies causing already paranoid people to devise conspiracy-laden reasons for their occurrence. Many people are laying the blame on the shoulders of the NRA, on violent media, poor mental healthcare in the US, etc... everyone creates a narrative of their own to explain things that don't make sense - like killing 20 children in cold blood. Conspiracy peeps gonna make it about conspiracy stuff. Just like the gun nuts are gonna say "the teachers should've been armed!" and the Tipper Gore's of the world are gonna say "black ops 2 trains children to murder!" and so on...

The fringier reactions to events like this are always gonna seem disgusting and callous to more level-headed people, but IMO they are coming from the same impulse in other people's minds that go "fuck, maybe we should ban handguns or make ammo really expensive or something!"

haha yeah it's TOTALLY boring. that's what I find so funny about it. "We can now link Aurora and Sandy Hook shootings to...dun dun DUN... LIBOR!" Uhh. Okay. and? They 'didn't' commit random massaces of innocent people because their fathers were...what? So the government did this why? I seriously don't even get what these guys even talking about.

It's like the least sexy conspiracy theory ever.

That's what they WANT you to believe!

lol

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/magazine/home/20001119mag-scarry.html

In academic circles, this wide-eyed woman with a girlish voice and unruly blond locks is mostly known for her unflinching investigations of war, torture and pain. These are grim and very unlikely subjects for a Harvard English professor. But Scarry, 54, has long tested the boundaries of literary criticism, devoting the same analytical energies to reading a naval weapons manual as she does to reading Thomas Hardy. She has ventured even further afield with her current obsession: airplane crashes. This latest fixation has led her outside the ivory tower and into the fray of public debate.

Three years ago, during a characteristic foray into technical arcana -- this time, military antennas - Scarry stumbled on a startling piece of information. She came across an article explaining how the United States Air Force had been losing Black Hawk helicopters because of electromagnetic interference (EMI) from military planes. (EMI occurs when the energy emitted by one electrical device -- ranging in power from a cell phone to the radar on a military plane -- interferes with the performance of another.) Immediately, Scarry says, she thought of T.W.A. Flight 800, whose mysterious explosion off the tip of Long Island on July 17, 1996, continued to elude federal aviation authorities' attempts to explain it. Could EMI from military ships and planes in the vicinity of T.W.A. Flight 800 have taken down the plane?

A mere conspiracy theorist might have zapped his conjecture straight to Matt Drudge. Scarry's approach was far more methodical. She spent weeks in the library, poring over government documents, military journals, newspaper reports and engineering texts, slowly gathering evidence. Ultimately convinced that the EMI explanation was a reasonable possibility, Scarry in April 1998 published her findings in The New York Review of Books, a prestigious but decidedly literary journal.

It was an unlikely forum for a scientific expose. To make sure the authorities didn't miss her dense, 20,000-word essay -- sandwiched between a review of a book on 18th-century culture and an exchange on Northern Ireland -- she sent a copy to James Hall, chairman of the National Transportation Safety Board. The agency eventually allocated several hundred thousand dollars for fresh research into EMI. What's more, Scarry's work was cited on the first page of a NASA study of EMI commissioned by T.W.A. 800 investigators.

These were remarkable coups for an English professor who had no formal training in aviation science and who had never been near a crash site. Anyone else might have stopped there, but Scarry wasn't through. This fall, she published two more articles in The New York Review, expanding her EMI hypothesis to include Swissair Flight 111, which went down near Nova Scotia after an electrical fire in September 1998, and EgyptAir Flight 990, whose fatal plunge into the Atlantic near Nantucket last October was caused, many experts believe, by a co-pilot on a suicide mission.

As an explanation for any of these plane crashes -- let alone all three -- Scarry's theory is generally considered extremely unlikely. (Ultimately, the N.T.S.B. ruled out EMI as a factor in the T.W.A. disaster.) But more interesting than whether she turns out to be right or wrong is the intellectual temperament that led Scarry to such unliterary pursuits in the first place. What is an English professor doing writing technical articles on airplane crashes? The answer, it turns out, owes nothing to a morbid streak; in fact, Scarry seems a resolutely cheerful person. Nor does it seem to be fueled by a private paranoia; despite her work on air disasters, she's a comfortable flier. Rather, it has to do with an almost alarmingly well-developed sense of civic duty. Let other literary critics debate T.S. Eliot's irony and Jane Austen's ambivalence about marriage. Scarry has grander aims for literary criticism. She wants to use it to solve social problems and save lives.

"There is nothing about being an English professor that exempts you from the normal obligations of citizenship," she says firmly. "In fact, you have an increased obligation, because you know how to do research."

Fake plastic snow the govt is trying to poison you wake up sheeple http://t.co/ecMgMaCLCG

Yep i heard about that last week. The snow in Atlanta was really lame snow btw.

It is more comforting to think the gov't can control the weather than the water supply is getting royally poisoned by utility companies.

sublimation shockah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLfo49UwPEs

I only just learned about this one today, interested parties please share your knowledge of this!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove

There's a good chapter in Jon Ronson's book Them about it, old rich white guys reliving frat lifestyle

The complete episode of Secret Rules Of The World where Ronson and Alex Jones walk right into Bohemian Grove is online:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dahQCEzjkfM

Ronson's ep of WTF is good stuff. He covers this incident.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7S-dzOmYE

So this is a guy who is an amateur astronomer (self-described Biblical astronomer) and predicts something called Planet 7-X is going to swoop into our neighborhood in March 2016.

As far as I can tell it doesn't have anything to do with the other Planet X conspiracy I know about, which is that there is a shadow Earth that has the same orbit of Earth yet it exactly on the other side of the Sun as Earth (and thus can't be detected). This Planet X is called Nibiru and has residents that need gold to live (in the same way that Bowie's Man Who Fell to Earth needs water to live) and thus have been doing ancient astronaut stuff to us to get us to mine gold for them. Every thing about that conspiracy is ridiculous.

they named a planet after nibiru in the last star trek movie, why would they do that if there wasn't scientific evidence

moe is going to destroy ILX tonight

Two more dead bankers over the weekend

- Liechtenstein Banker Shot Dead in Reported Investment Feud

-Ex-ABN Banker Schmittmann, Wife, Daughter Found Dead at Home

InfoWars and Above Top Secret have cornered the market on "dead banker conspiracy" mongering, but the body count is apparently over 20 within the past 12 months.

Another banker kills himself.

JP Morgan executive director Julian Knott blasted his wife Alita to death with a shotgun before turning the gun on himself.

The 45-year-old, who worked for the investment bank in London until July 2010, shot his 47-year-old wife multiple times before committing suicide with the same weapon.

my twelve-year-old niece recently got top marks for a history essay in which she argued that JFK's assassination was a joint FBI-CIA conspiracy, I think with Oswald being the CIA's shooter and some other guy the FBI's. Is this accepted JFK conspiracy lore (I suppose there's so much of it that any idea you have would already be accepted JFK conspiracy lore) or has she plucked it out of thin air?

To this day George HW Bush is the only person alive who cannot remember where he was the day Kennedy died (he was a CIA agent in Dallas that day. in fact, in a practice known as "doubling", the CIA hired for six months another "George Bush" in late 1963 and he was gone soon after, the idea being they could plausibly deny that "George Bush" was in Dallas that day.)

The best book on the JFK assassination that I've read (I read a few) is Who Shot JFK? by Robin Ramsay. It's a well written, brief, serious, sober overview of the case without any minutiae about ballistics or whatever. LBJ was behind it btw.

I read Libra about 6 years ago and am willing to accept it as 95% truth ;)

Two more bankers commit suicide

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/25/world/europe/thierry-leyne-dies-in-israel.html

PARIS — Thierry Leyne, a French-Israeli banker and partner of Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the disgraced former chief of the International Monetary Fund, was found dead on Thursday after apparently taking his own life in Tel Aviv.

Mr. Leyne, 48, jumped off the 23rd floor of one of the Yoo towers, a prestigious residential complex, according to Israeli officials.

The two men met several years ago and, in October 2013, founded Leyne Strauss-Kahn & Partners in an effort to capitalize on the former fund chief’s experience and expertise. The company offers investment banking advice and services.

After training as a civil engineer, Mr. Leyne made a career in private banking, management and investment. In 1994, he founded Assya Capital, a trading company that was listed on the Euronext Free Market in 2001.

Mr. Strauss-Kahn became an investment banker after his career was buffeted by a series of sex scandals. He has helped the government of South Sudan set up a bank, and he advised the Serbian government on economic issues. He also sits on the board of two big Russian financial institutions.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/25/us-deutsche-bank-suicide-idUSKCN0IE08U20141025

(Reuters) - A senior Deutsche Bank regulatory lawyer has been found dead in New York after committing suicide, New York City officials said on Saturday.

Calogero Gambino, 41, was found on the morning of Oct. 20 at his home in the New York borough of Brooklyn and pronounced dead on the scene, according to New York City police.

Gambino was an associate general counsel and a managing director who worked for the German bank for 11 years, according to the Wall Street Journal, which first reported his death.

He had been closely involved in negotiating legal issues for Deutsche Bank such as a probe by regulators of banks over allegations they manipulated the Libor benchmark interest rate as well as currency markets.

Hey, we got Libor again.

And another: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Citigroup-Executive-Dead-Throat-Slashed-Bathtub-Greenwich-Village-NYC-283257561.html

Police are investigating the death of a Citigroup manager who was found in his Manhattan apartment bathtub with this throat cut.

Police say 42-year-old Shawn Miller was discovered Tuesday afternoon by his doorman at his Greenwich Village apartment after a friend asked to check on him. He was found with a slash wound on his neck in his bathtub.

Authorities say there was no sign of forced entry and no weapon found. The medical examiner's office will determine the cause of death.

Miller was managing director of the environment and social risk management team at Citigroup, Inc

And another: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/wealthy-banker-impaled-spikes-following-60ft-fall-luxury-london-penthouse-1478841

Wealthy banker impaled on spikes following 60ft fall from luxury London penthouse

A man has died in an horrific accident, falling 60 feet from the window of a Marylebone flat after being impaled on iron railings.

He was pronounced dead at the scene and police are not treating the death as suspicious.

Neighbours believe the man, who was in his 50s, worked in banking or the financial services and was from the UK.

Firefighters cut through the 5ft railings with an angle grinder before the body could be moved, according to the Evening Standard

And this one: http://www.globalresearch.ca/riddles-surround-36th-dead-banker-of-the-year/5418654

So what is the supposed conspiracy behind these deaths? What 's supposed to connect these bankers to each other besides the fact that they're bankers?

Having been a big elite firm corporate lawyer, these are almost certainly suicides. Fi there is any kind of conspiracy, it is the banks awkwardly trying to hide that they are suicides.

It's possible, of course, that it's not a simple case of one or the other; some could be just suicides, while others could have been 'suicided' for knowing too much about some financial crime or other. Seems plausible to me if certain people didn't want to go to jail, and would be standard in organised crime.

I guess that's possible in some individual cases, but the article Elvis linked to lists 36 bankers, who worked for different banks and died in different countries and continents, as if there's some connection between all of them, without bothering to make any suggestions what connection might be. Obviously you could make a similar list with people in any stressful profession, so this particular conspiracy theory seems even vaguer than they usually tend to be,

There are lots of conspiracy theory sites that attempt to find connections between different people on the list of dead bankers, e.g. companies they worked for in the past that happen to be under investigation over the LIBOR thing etc. etc. Others will say there's no smoke without fire and the deaths tie in with their belief that the banking system as a whole is fraudulent and the 'elite' or 'elites' want to keep it going and for the masses not to find out what's been going on, because that might threaten the system etc. That would be the bigger, admittedly very vague theory.

Adding fuel to that fire is the sense among the conspiracy community that a second and greater version of the 2008 Depression is headed our way.

I'm reminded of the lists of strange deaths JFK assassination researchers compile, tying in enough murders, car crashes, and heart attacks to fill a Google spreadsheet. Without any new evidence or research, about all you can do is fume that They got away with it.

just stumbled across the 'jump rooms to mars' theory, which is a new one on me but seems legit:

In El Segundo, California, in a CIA laboratory, there is an elevator that transports a human being onto Mars, or any other planet with a solid ground. Mars is well known because it as been tested many, many times for the test runs. This technology came about from reverse engineering of a crashed spaceship which was sent from Alpha Centauri, the constellation made famous from the movie Avatar, although it was well known in the scientific and conspiracy theorist community; but it was hardly news in the real world. The scientist discovered that through the consciousness of a human or alien mind, the ship sets a destination you desire, and opens up a worm hole in front of the ship which transports you to the destination of your liking. This sounds like ‘Star Wars’ or ‘Star Gate’ type hogwash, but two of the top CIA officials have come out to talk about this ‘Jump Room’. Andrew D. Basiago has been the biggest and the most resourceful evidence of this Jump Room, which was created from reverse engineering. You have to ask yourself, why were all these probes like Beagle 1, 2, and 3 were sent to mars, to see the how it looks like? No, NASA has seen enough of Mars, much before they announced it with their phony mission of Beagle. The main function for sending Beagle to Mars was to set up the elevator of jump room, which will act as the receiving end catcher for any object or human to be transported there. Right now, you must have another Jump Room available at the other end in order for you to go from place to place. The first time this was used was back in 1996, when they landed the first robotic rover on mars which they claimed was just a camera on wheel taking pictures and samples on mars. This entire project was financed by German Nazis, since the end of WW II Era. Germans were very, very intelligent and they were the most advanced in science and mathematics compare to any other country including United States. It took over 40 years to solve the riddles and mysteries of the spaceship which also contained the technology of Jump Room.

http://exopolitics.blogs.com/exopolitics/2011/11/mars-visitors-basiago-and-stillings-confirm-barack-obama-traveled-to-mars-1.html

Two former participants in the CIA’s Mars visitation program of the early 1980’s have confirmed that U.S. President Barack H. Obama was enrolled in their Mars training class in 1980 and was among the young Americans from the program who they later encountered on the Martian surface after reaching Mars via “jump room.”

wow, that story is worth reading in full, not least for the revelation that 97,000 people have been to mars and that 'one of their principal concerns on Mars would be to avoid being devoured by one of the predator species on the Martian surface, some of which they would be able to evade, and some of which were impossible to evade if encountered'.

Thought all this was common knowledge.

i want to believe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE4e-Fp1UZE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtzSoWghM-E

Bohemian Grove campout is this week:
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/4205786-181/campout-of-wealthy-and-powerful?page=0

<3

my friend's Dad has been to Bohemian Grove. I wish i could be smuggled in

i just wanna see that owl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1ULjJ3EqyY

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/3d-model-just-proved-authenticity-controversial-photo-jfks-assassin-180956991

From the moment John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas on November 22, 1963, conspiracy theorists and skeptics have dissected the events of that fateful day. Now, 3D modeling has resolved a longstanding debate about an incriminating photo showing Kennedy’s assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, with a rifle in his backyard. According to these new results, the photo is authentic

http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/the-cia-the-death-of-bob-marley/44101

CIA murdered Bob Marley

With an assist from Danny Baker

(He denies it so it must be true: http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-11-17/danny-baker-i-didnt-kill-bob-marley )

from FB

Look for the truth dont believe all the hype.... I know a lot of friends who are Muslim and would happily put my life in there hands.... ISIS is government funded terrorism nothing to do with religion or beliefs'....

followed by link to 1990 video of man talking about the Israeli Secret Intelligence Service.

JUst had the old walmart premises are now Fema camps theory said to me apparently seriously in the wake of people being sent to old walmart spaces as a result of hurricane Harvey.
Don't think i was familiar with the old theory before that.

That's not a conspiracy theory, that's good government. Would the taxpayers prefer the camps be built from scratch, on lands seized through eminent domain?

this one seems to have peaked already but i've been thinking a lot about the mandela effect, particularly because this berenstain bears thing freaked me out a bit

it's a fun rabbithole but idk if there's anything more to it than "difficult to spell last name spelled differently than you think"

Many people think the Queen song 'We Are the Champions' ends with the phrase, "We are the champions..... of the world." However, it may shock you to know that there is no 'of the world' at the end.

WHAT THE FUCK

oh it's not at the end it's in the middle, fuck you odysseyonline.com https://www.theodysseyonline.com/examples-mandela-effect-that-will-ruin-your-life

It ends with "of the world" here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPKlrRwJB8A

i remember noting the odd bears' spelling as a child. qed.

haha yeah that "...of the world" thing did legitimately freak me out for a while until I actually listened to the song. c'mon

like half that list is just "I bet you thought this word was spelled like THIS, but actually..."

"life was like a box of chocolates"?

i have a friend who's like a mandela effect truther and he swears it all has something to do with quantum computing and CERN

O_o

xp does he also believe CERN is responsible for things like trump's election, cubs winning world series, pats comeback in superbowl

From a Wall Street Journal article about the neo-Nazi rally in Poland last weekend: 'The Radical Camp’s followers argue, on their social-media accounts and in their literature, that the influx of Syrian refugees into Europe is part of a conspiracy driven by Jewish financiers, who are working with Communists in the European Union to bring Muslims into Europe, and with them, Shariah law and homosexuality.'

many people think chartreuse is close to maroon, and i did too when younger. i don't think this means we live in the matrix but it's fascinating to ponder how this misconception was propagated.

Like many people I got a little obsessed with the Mandela effect for a time, it's fascinating because of how stupid it is, in a way that feels very current somehow. I know a lot of conspiracy theories are dumb but here the stupid definitely outweighs the crazy, all these Reddit morons spinning wild theories about the ~strange phenomenon~ of... misremembering something

& like basically every single example is just a commonly misquoted line from a film

A cosmic reality-bending phenomenon that only ever affects garbage ephemera, it's perfect bathos

mandela effect is not current, it's evergreen because people really hate admitting they're wrong about something

mandela-effect youtubes abt jfk are like the kideodrome of csi

god these mandela effect things are so DUMB

ppl are morons, we are doomed

omg did u know chartreuse is not purple?
um yeah i did bcz there’s a terrible tasting liquor named after it that i drank in college and it’s fuckin GREEN the same color as allll of my puke that night

fuck off u stupid kids jfc

Seriously if it was ever Chic-fil-a everyone would have pronounced it sheek-fil-Ayy

otm

Is it ok if we talk about George HW Bush? Whats this think about paedophilia with young boys being taken from care homes to the white house, or similar?

It feels like every conspiracy theory ends up somewhere close to Bush I, and its not surprising. Reluctant to look into it too much (why does the right have such a fixation on this?!), esp with all the pizzagate palaver. Anyone got a primer?

who the fuck thought that Mandela died in 1983 !?

No paedophile conspiracy theory has ever amounted to anything iirc

XP morons

queen died over xmas, tories persuaded the palace to keep it quiet till after the article 50 announcement: election was called, they asked for an extension and the palace very reluctantly agreed

everything turned to shit, they are stuck with it -- the lookalike stand-in is getting fed, she's old and planned to retire properly

(i don't really understand why the palace is so willing to help theresa may out in this narrative, but there it is)

It feels like every conspiracy theory ends up somewhere close to [/s]Bush I[/s] the Clintons

fixed that for you.

xp reminds me the story of the ottoman sultan who died, and to avoid tumult while they got their fraught succession process in order, they propped his body up so he could be seen at a ceremony in topkapi palace and moved his arms like a puppet to quell rumours of his demise amongst the janissaries.

idk why we don't replace the queen with a robot tbh

'replace'

http://jeffreyhill.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341d417153ef011570f3ee36970b-pi

Must watch Kagemusha again.

From that list rip van wanko posted upthread:

The famous wienermobile can be seen rolling along in any major city, but something you may not have known about the famous hot dog company is that their name is actually spelled "Mayer."

THEIR ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN FOR YEARS WAS SPELLING OUT THEIR NAME IN THEIR FUCKING COMMERCIALS.

maybe in *your* dimension

i hadn't heard about nibiru/planet x conspiracy until just now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_cataclysm

my baloney has a second name, it's c-h-e-m traillllls

Oscar Pistorius has at least one full leg

https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/internet/2016/12/movie-doesn-t-exist-and-redditors-who-think-it-does

poppy bush pops up in a surprising number of conspiracy theories but maybe it's not too surprising considering how many actual conspiracies (iran-contra) he seems to have been involved in.

also his dad led an actual plot to install fascism in the usa iirc

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/Trilateral.svg

who the fuck thought that Mandela died in 1983 !?

― Ste, Friday, November 17, 2017 3:24 AM (twelve hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, mandela being released from jail was a massive news story. from my recollection of childhood it could really only be compared to things like the falling of the berlin wall (judging this purely on how often it was on the news and how big a deal was made of it).

personally i also saw him on a stage in george square dancing in 1993 so that helps too.

yeah that mandela one was O_o

and the Berenstain bears thing, like, I even had a dream as a kid about the weirdness of the spelling

Morgellons disease

https://www.google.com/amp/s/jezebel.com/real-delusions-of-an-unreal-disease-a-history-of-morge-1696912437/amp

I think at its heart it’s a mental illness, but it attracts the fringes is society

poppy bush pops up in a surprising number of conspiracy theories but maybe it's not too surprising considering how many actual conspiracies (iran-contra) he seems to have been involved in.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 17 November 2017 23:21 (yesterday) Permalink

Exactly, right? I mean, there are 3 types of conspiracy. ones that are now pretty accepted as true, ones that are crazy - but then the ones that are inbetween, or where people take something and run way too far with it. With Bush's young boys one its wanting to know how far down that line it is

re scott's expedition to the pole: when they realised the plight they were in, the four officers knocked petty officer evans on the head and ate him

when they realised that wasn't enough, oates ran away into a blizzard rather than be eaten

You have your porridge

Scott eating Oates was a Red Dwarf joke.

scott eating evans is no joke

competitive elections are bad for america

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/21/trump-census-pick-causes-alarm-252571

Is it ok if we talk about George HW Bush? Whats this think about paedophilia with young boys being taken from care homes to the white house, or similar?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Gosch

http://swordandscale.com/sword-and-scale-episode-5/

Kirov wasn't assassinated outside the Smolny Institute, he was actually shot by the embittered husband of one of his lovers whilst he was fucking her on his office desk. The conspiracy around it was about preserving his rep and the NKVD security covering up their incompetence. Bigger than JFK is this mother!

https://theconversation.com/can-withering-public-trust-in-government-be-traced-back-to-the-jfk-assassination-87719

my friend died in the iraq war

it was reported as an ambush

i think the powers that be used him and his unit as bait

so i guess the conspiracy about Hollywood elites being evil sex maniacs ended up being true

both the website for THE ARCANA and martyfalling's list of the "best bands" are very late 90s/early2000s. it doesn't... seem........................... real.

Go on...

Seems like a lot of pizzagate nonsense has been bubbling up again, especially in relation to Chrissy Teigen and John Legend.

Go on

christine teigen
✔
@chrissyteigen
...apparently dressing my daughter as Alice in Wonderland and a hot dog and having a pizza emoji on Snapchat has to do with pizzagate and being uhhhh darksided. Holy shit That thread is wild. Enjoy.

6:36 PM - Dec 30, 2017

oh damn that sucks

"darksided" = determined to be involved in p1zz4geight?

I think that pizzagate is an attempt by tge Vatican to delegitimize child sex abuse investigations while at the same time disrupting the worldwide dominance of American-style pizza. Think about it: pizzagate theories began to circulate after Spotlight won Best Picture and as Netflix was preparing The Keepers, a 7-part documentary detailing the church's involvement in child rape. And have you seen the internet commentsfrom Italians about American variations on Italian cuisine? They passionately hate our freedom. What better revenge than to reframe pizza iconography as the secret language of the pedophile? It would make normal people afraid to share their love of pizza while at the same time throwing the scent off the real pedos, the Catholic Church.

Pizzagate never really went away as far as I can tell, it's just been occasionally diverted back into the channel of Lock Her Up.

There was a theory that all of Robert Mueller's investigation was an enormous feint to get around to Clinton (because the Podesta's lobbying firm was involved with Paul Manafort) and that there's thousands of sealed indictments that will fall on all of Them from heaven on the day that the storm breaks. This comes up every once in a while and everyone gets excited until someone points out that Mueller became the head of the FBI on 4th of September 2011, and so obviously oversaw the 9/11 coverup.

There's been someone posting blind item scraps of questions on Reddit for the last few months that's taken most of their attention - you only need to have a few by chance align with news stories and that's read as cast iron confirmation - I've said it before, but Dan Brown has a lot to answer for.

That italians mad at food Twitter is pretty fun

I know. They get so frustrated!

Acknowledging that it's perpetuated by more than, say, two or three people with profound mental illness legitimately makes me want to stop existing in a world where Pizzagate is a thing.

If this thread is anything to go by I don't think it's going away

So.

If you thought the silly nonsense of "pizzagate" reached its nadir when someone invaded a pizza restaurant with an assault rifle demanding to see its (nonexistent) basement and after that it must have died down... it didn't.

Instead, it got weirder.

— Alexandra Erin will take a cup of kindness yet (@alexandraerin) December 31, 2017

So cool to witness the return of the Dark Ages within my own lifetime.

That's a really good thread!

Yeah pizzagate is some unhinged scary nonsense

customer at tacqueria, to cashier: "hey did you see that light in the sky the other day? Here's a pic I took of it"
cashier: "hmm yeah. They said it was some rocket it but I don't believe it"
customer: "No that's true. It was a SpaceX launch in California"
cashier: "Nah I think they said that to cover it all up. They quickly launched some rocket so they could say that's what the light was"
customer: "Uh heheheh um ok but they can't really launch a massive rocket like that quickly enough to cov--"
cashier: "Funny how people are so quick to just believe what they're told"
customer: "..."

Extreme skepticism is almost always a cover for extreme ignorance

oh hell yeah, that rules

"focus on my taco, you shitgoblin"

There’s a new doc on Netflix called Gray State - haven’t watched it but looked up the story and it’s one of those “he was secretly murdered by his own govt for his political views” conspiracies. There’s an interesting New Yorker piece on it: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/04/10/death-of-a-dystopian/amp

Crowley and his wife were pretty clearly conspiracy nuts, and he obviously had mental health issues that were undiagnosed.

yea that's what they want you to think man

That article is worth the read. And devastating.

The Deep State as fictionalized by… Steven Seagal:

https://www.amazon.com/Way-Shadow-Wolves-Hijacking-America/dp/0999497502/

This is the story of an Arizona Tribal police officer who stumbles onto one of the of the biggest cases in the history of the Southwest. He is a member of an elite group within the Native American communities known as The Shadow Wolves. What comes with his discovery is the uncovering of massive corruption in places where he once had placed his total trust. Shadow Wolves is a book of fiction based on reality. Both author’s have worked with, confronted, and seen the power of the Deep State and the manner in which, at times, federal government agencies willfully violate the Constitution and the laws of the land in service to special interests. Recent events has for the first time made many American citizens aware that the Deep State is very real; that the mainstream media tends toward bias by often offering a false narrative designed by the secret intelligence world in service to special interests. The fight for America’s soul is taking place far from Washington, D.C. This is a story of one small group of patriots fighting the good fight.

Apparently any fire and collapse of a concrete-core high rise brings everyone out so here's the obligatory Metabunk thread on the São Paulo high rise fire/collapse today.
https://www.metabunk.org/são-paulo-high-rise-fire-and-collapse-wilton-paes-de-almeida-building.t9684/

so uh have we done the 'arizona child rape camp' thing currently setting the rightwing pizzagatesphere on fire? because holy shit this is dumb

helpful twitter-thread primer starts here

There's a one-sided standoff shaping up in Tucson, Arizona. A group called Veterans on Patrol, headed up by a guy who has never served in the military, found an abandoned homeless camp.

— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) June 5, 2018

I really do think my capacity to be astonished by the stupidity of humanity is permanently disabled at this point. Like, this is obviously completely insane, but what else is new.

I kinda want to go there and stand on the sidelines gawking for a bit before suddenly looking very alarmed and strapping on a gas mask before I frantically run away.

this def sounds legit tho

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DeyD2g1XkAAd7RN.jpg

when i was like nine years old one of my friends mocked up an old-looking treasure map and we spent a couple of excited hours running around the neighbourhood looking for buried gold before he admitted he'd made it all up

this is basically the same impulse except even if someone did stand up and say 'actually there are no dead kids i just wanted attention' these deluded idiots wouldn't believe them and continue to dig holes at random in the blazing arizona sun

because the actual problem of homeless children must be actively buried under a hateful fantasy

This is like that time when the neighborhood kids were all convinced that Hitler owned this big plot of land at the end of our block and that he had killed and buried a bunch of kids there except I'm guessing these people are not between the ages of 5 and 7.

Like, I think even at that age, I was half aware of how stupid a theory it was.

yeah, obviously it wasn't hitler, it was hillary

people desperately want to be useful, and on the side of good, and part of something bigger than themselves, and this society is not fucking providing it, is part of the problem

"This is the third time this guy has climbed a tower looking for attention."

to be fair to the guy, it worked

TBF, the thing which society isn't providing here is the set of basic life skills that allow people to operate as fully-functioning and autonomous individuals who shouldn't require the full-time supervision of a caseworker or mental health practitioner.

Maybe graduation from high school should depend in part upon how you respond after someone anonymously emails you an insane conspiracy theory.

i'd be v interested in a podcast oral history of "Veterans on Patrol"

There's a one-sided standoff shaping up in Tucson, Arizona. A group called Veterans on Patrol, headed up by a guy who has never served in the military, found an abandoned homeless camp.

— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab)

in fairness, he wanted to call the group "citizens on patrol", but that name was already taken

i'm getting more and more cynical about conspiracy theories. as i continue to read up on history, i am slowly coming to realize how much of history came about because of bizarre conspiracy theories. i posted on another thread about wat tyler's rebellion, and how much of it came out because of a conspiracy theory called the Great Rumour. in America, history was shaped by conspiracy theories like the Corrupt Bargain, the Slave Power Conspiracy, the Business Plot, and i'm starting to think, you know, fuck it, we should embrace this side of ourselves. because it's not about "smart" or "stupid". there were plenty of intelligent people who believed the Business Plot was a real thing and not just a couple of drunk plutocrats blowing off steam. if people are motivated to make positive changes in the world by believing donald trump killed his wife and buried her in the rose garden, go for it. obviously that's provably false, but it doesn't actually hurt a conspiracy theory for it to be provably false. at worst it just goes away to be replaced by a new one.

we are not reasonable people, but have the misfortune to live in a society that assumes and expects us to be reasonable. the worst thing we can do is buy into the lie that reason conquers all.

a satirical version of a weirdo militia called 'veterans on patrol' which was led by someone who had never served in the military would seem a little on-the-nose but here we are i guess

i'd be v interested in a podcast oral history of "Veterans on Patrol"

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, June 6, 2018 8:34 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Thank u so much for getting the Police Academy 4 theme song stuck in my head.

And yes, rusho, the notion of humans as a rational species is maybe the most pernicious of our mythologies.

idk I view this like all the wacky sportswriters who always pick some terrible longshot team to "win it all this year", part tongue-in-cheek, part with the knowledge that if the 100-to-1 shot actually hits they'll get a good amount of publicity out of it. when it comes to stuff like this and Pizzagate and "9/11 was an inside job" I often wonder how much of it is legit and how much is trying to stake a claim on something that has a small chance of making you look very smart. mostly just so you can play out the ultimate fantasy of proving wrong all the people who called you an idiot.

anyway, not gonna get interested in this one until someone can tell me how the Clintons are involved

I dunno, I'd have to check with a professional to be sure but I think they call that psychosis.

Like running around every day at 4:27 to shove your busted watch in the face of all the naysayers who implored you to get it fixed. I knew it would be right eventually! I knew it!!!

I might as well just learn to roll with it, though, since this is clearly the direction we're headed as a species.

anyway, not gonna get interested in this one until someone can tell me how the Clintons are involved

well since you asked

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/De5q_DyU8AAqIAr.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/De5q_DyU8AAqIAr.jpg

i posted on another thread about wat tyler's rebellion, and how much of it came out because of a conspiracy theory called the Great Rumour. in America, history was shaped by conspiracy theories like the Corrupt Bargain, the Slave Power Conspiracy, the Business Plot, and i'm starting to think, you know, fuck it, we should embrace this side of ourselves. because it's not about "smart" or "stupid". there were plenty of intelligent people who believed the Business Plot was a real thing and not just a couple of drunk plutocrats blowing off steam.

― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, June 6, 2018 1:38 PM (three hours ago)

maybe i'm misunderstanding you but i thought the business plot was a real thing? even if it never got past the talking stage.

meanwhile the Trump administration defends keeping actual children in actual cages:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/06/04/merkley-shelter-migrant-children-trump-593988

yea someone ought to tell the Arizona guys, they'll be pissed

I'm sure they'll get right on it

maybe i'm misunderstanding you but i thought the business plot was a real thing? even if it never got past the talking stage.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.)

my reading of the results of the congressional investigation was "no way in fucking hell were these guys ever going to actually overthrow the government". even if they hadn't picked as a figurehead smedley butler, who immediately made a big stink about it to the press, eventually they would've talked to somebody who would have pointed out to them what a dumbshit idea their "conspiracy" was.

government based on fabricated conspiracies isn't exactly a new thing. this goes at least as far back as that time cicero (as far as anybody can tell) totally made up a conspiracy about catiline because he was worried that catiline's policies were too friendly towards the poor.

I think the whole spectrum from center to left has really failed to appreciate what is going on with pizzagate, qanon, Alex Jones, etc. This is not mere "tinfoil hat" stuff, this is the deliberate weaponization of conspiracy theory against political opponents.

deliberate and coordinated, so there's my conspiracy theory I guess

Traditionally shadowy science group The Jasons get chased out of the Pentagon
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/04/storied-jason-science-advisory-group-loses-contract-pentagon

The Georgia Guidestones... wt actual f?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

I'd never heard of this until yesterday when I was talking with a friend about how she'd gone for a coffee with an old friend of hers and how the conversation had turned somewhat weird. Now, she's known this friend for years but they only catch up with one another every now and again, this friend has always been religious but is now super religious. So, they were talking about Brexit (of course) when the friend said Brexit was just a smokescreen for what is really going on in the world - the smokescreen being a product of an elite of the Vatican(?!), global bankers (naturally) and, er, some other people she couldn't remember, the clue to all of this being the Georgia Guidestones. I think my friend sort of nodded along politely but I think when she was told the 2004 tsunami was manmade because some scientist in the early 20th century had shown you could manufacture tsunamis by drilling into the earth and dropping some sort of device into the earth's crust and the whole thrust of the Georgia Guidestones and the elites behind it is to drastically reduce the world's population, she demurred. Apparently her friend invited me and her to visit at her house out in Sussex, I said if you think I'm spending a weekend with an insane person you can forget it.

yeah this is real tho, wake up sheeple

also very real:

https://preview.redd.it/ps04q9titmp31.jpg?width=547&auto=webp&s=cab61e040019c4b0d39ab1b603aa7b4cf9941e98

but what if i want to interfere necessarily!

damn i always suspected u were a freemason troll

the sky is fake

Justin Trudeau is the son of Fidel Castro.

obv

or Mick Jagger IIRC

IDK if this exactly goes here, but is there some kind of right wing crank thing about "Delphi Method" or "Delphi Technique" as a means of false consensus building? I ask because there's a certain political process going on in my area that I don't want to get into and that someone I know described as using "Delphi Technique" to build a fake consensus. When I read descriptions of this, it sounded exactly like what is going on with this political process, but every single site/video/article I can find about it seems to be some kind of right wing crank site.

Never heard of it! Why is the consensus it builds false?

the Wayfair one might just be the dumbest of all time.

One of the allegedly trafficked people took to FB to say she was never missing and how stupid they are for believing this crap and the viewers were all berating her telling her she was still missing or she was on a fake "set" recording it

There's no arguing with people who insist that their brains remain broken.

It's the same names, though! The same names!!!

*googles*
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*regrets*

Yeah, I made the mistake of googling that one myself over the weekend. We are a dumb, dumb country.

I couldn't contain my laughter at everybody arguing with the "missing" girl as to whether she was really missing.

Esp since the ONLY report of her missing on the entire internet is this fake-looking website titled "Newsbreak" and the other 99% = Wayfair articles

I just genuinely don't know what the root cause of this strain of brain rot might be, where someone just flat out refuses to accept or even interact with any logical evidence that refutes these dumb theories.

It never ceases to amaze me that people can operate at such a diminished capacity and yet continue to do the things necessary for continued survival. Like you'd think they'd eventually walk into traffic because CARS ARE JUST PROPAGANDA AND DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST AND ALSO THIS FISTFUL OF BROKEN GLASS LOOKS LIKE DELICIOUS SUGARY CANDY YUM YUM

More like what they want you to think is 'logical evidence', sheeple.

xp

But I mean even that dude that stormed into the pizza place armed said the right things about being "wrong" after his arrest (presumably as advised by his counsel), but still doubled down on the overall theory just being more well hidden than they thought.

THIS FISTFUL OF BROKEN GLASS LOOKS LIKE DELICIOUS SUGARY CANDY YUM YUM

Relevant:

Cake: The Movie pic.twitter.com/GjoVeXm3FP

— Daniel 'danbanbam' Spencer (@danbanbam) July 13, 2020

The thing that really upsets me isn't that there is a conspiracy that Wayfair is a front for child trafficking, it's that mainstream news publications are running headlines like "Fact check: No evidence linking Wayfair to human trafficking operation"

Yeah just legitimizes it in the eyes of the theorists

*googles*
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*regrets*

yeah this

How widespread is 'Tom Hanks has been executed at some point in the past and the person you see today is his brother / someone pretending to be him" in, I guess, Qanon world and around?

Sometimes you see these things crop up but not sure if this is the work of an individual crank or a more common motif

Hanks is the Paul McCartney of today.

That Tom Hanks thing sounds like something cooked up by high school kids for a goof.

Goofy was the dingo that ate the baby

i just thought of a good one that i just learned about recently:

so glenn miller, the big band leader, who disappeared in an airplane en route to france over the english channel ? yeah, that never happened. it turns out that glenn miller was a big womanizer; his plane actually made it to france but upon arriving he got all fucked up and rowdy and ended up dying in a brothel mid-coitus. out of respect for his widow, and because he was a respectable household name — a war hero in a way, he was on his way to play music for our boys fighting the nazis ! — and because it was the '40s and people just didn't talk about that, they pretended he was a passenger on a flight that really DID go down. and so his body was "never found."

crazy huh ?

my preferred Tom Hanks theory is that he works directly with intelligence services to produce unobtrusively pro-American movies

One thing I can't understand about the QAnon people (the two I know/am related to are very religious - a Catholic & a Baptist) is that the Catholic Church has been involved in the sexual abuse of countless children (documented for at least 1,000 years on record), yet QAnon prefers the more obscure target of nonexistent pizza parlor basements and other Soros/Globalist/Gates-driven leftfield-theories.

The catholic church sex abuse scandal isnt a conspiracy theory though. It's a conspiracy that has been pretty thoroughly exposed over the last 25 years. Hard to go anywhere with that

Plus you can blame it on internal conspiracies - the Church is good but those people inside of it are responsible for the sexual abuse.

Yeah, it seems that for QAnon people it has to be something thats internal to that world and not supported by outsiders to really count?

It also seems distinct to regular covid/icke/gates/vaccines stuff, and Soros stuff, but I'm not sure on that - in content it just seems like a more finely honed version of that, but in terms of adherents it seems more distinct. The mainstream covid/gates/soros stuff has a lot of followers (i guess so does Qanon but still fewer than mainstream covidery?). Maybe the difference is that mainstream covid/gates/soros has a large number of dilettantes and casual believers, but for QAnon you really have to be fully signed up

the difference between a warped version of reality and something where that link is actually broken?

A lot of this is just about being part of a special club, seeing through something that others don't (despite this one weird trick clue only they are smart enough to have spotted) - whether it's flat Earth or dead Hanks. The already out there scandals don't appeal for that reason.

The Q stuff is different to that tho I guess. The usual stuff about 'actually the government is far far more competent than we could ever know' (actually as a way of controlling their anxiety about the state of things) but ramped up to try and contend more with the unpredictability and surrealism of the Trump era. As satire has struggled to keep up with reality so has the conspiracy theory and the ante must be upped. Maybe also the institutionalised abuse scandals of recent years have had a deeper effect when it comes to what draws people into the game.

Trying to control and uncontrollable world. That's why you have to carry three guns with you at all times.

Plus you can blame it on internal conspiracies - the Church is good but those people inside of it are responsible for the sexual abuse.

Ah but the Catholic Church hasn't been the Catholic Church since the Second Vatican Council. Keep up there.

Actually there's a split between conspiracy theories, those which are backwards-looking / present-describing and are alternative explanations for reality (moon, JFK, 9/11, iraq), and where ones that are true (or truer) are going to be

and ones which are forward-looking - not explaining today but explaining tomorrow. I'm not sure the traditional explanation of people wanting the messyness of reality to be structured in some way actually works for these or not. These are explanations for things that haven't happened yet

"I'm special because I was here for the end times" is how a lot of that rolls imo

I just genuinely don't know what the root cause of this strain of brain rot might be, where someone just flat out refuses to accept or even interact with any logical evidence that refutes these dumb theories.

― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 15:45 (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

Speaking from a sample of one (my son's flatmate), it's too many shit podcasts and too much weed.

the brain struggling with a world that is random and cruel and looking for patterns and hope anywhere possible
the powerless looking to secret knowledge as a source of power
and yes it's hard to accept that you/your time isn't special in some way because you're stuck perceiving the world through your eyes in your lifetime

plus the occasional conspiracy theory actually being true

Speaking from a sample of one (my son's flatmate), it's too many shit podcasts and too much weed.

BINGO

lots of liberal-ish friends of friends today defending investigating Wayfair because "we should take all rumors of trafficking seriously".

brb, going on Reddit to concoct a theory of how Chuck E Cheese restaurants are hiding children in the Skee Ball machine.

wonder if any of these folks have heard of "swatting" before

when you posted that did you not know the chuck e cheese conspiracy is already a thing?

https://gamerant.com/chuck-e-cheese-missing-children-hoax-five-nights-at-freddys/

Omg!

The “You’re Wrong About” podcast did a good episode about trafficking & the associated hysteria/conspiracies a few months ago, it was v good& interesting

I swear it was 'pomentiful'. I haven't been sleeping nights

It's not just you.

Boris Johnson fake went to Scotland on holiday and fake cancelled after the fake location was fake leaked.

https://dorseteye.com/boris-johnson-camping-trip-was-a-fake/

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/how-qanon-rode-pandemic-new-heights-fueled-viral-anti-mask-n1236695

Interesting piece here on qanon and anti-masks, and how in some cases the freakouts are intentional for an approving audience.

They actually managed to interview the Arizona woman that lost it in Target, she's back down off the deep end now and getting help.

"There's just such a lack of human connection right now," Rein Lively said. "That engagement that you're getting on social media, it's addictive."

This right here is key.

Trump Jr. currently has the coronavirus.

p.s. I just made this one up and didn't read it anywhere.

That's my googling sorted for today

Shaming people who believe illogical things just pushes them further into their radicalization networks.
Disinformation is everywhere. We need to teach people how to spot it early.

This is my Conspiracy Chart. I think it helps. pic.twitter.com/uDOCh5p9Ou

— Abbie Richards (@abbieasr) October 3, 2020

didn't know about a few of these but the "mattress firm" one is my favorite so far

yeah that and 'Finland doesn't exist' jumped out at me

I hadn't heard about Denver International Airport before.

Never heard of Mattress Firm before but I'm assuming there's a similar one for sile place or lets face it any other business that sells out of a big warehouse unit in an area where there are lots of big warehouse units

TILE not SILE ffs

As a few ppl on twitter have pointed out, most of the things in the green, 'actually happened' triangle imply the existence of a deep state

If your benchmark for a deep state is that there are government agencies who have non-public goals and deploy resources towards those goal, sure - but 99% of the yammering about the deep state is waaaayyy up in the top segment.

(not to say that I totally buy into the graph though - I do not, personally, have questions about Roswell)

where's "stevie wonder can see"

I think someone could easily fall under the influence of climate cranks without necessarily being one step away from going the full nut-cake QAnon. I once knew a very nice disability support worker (who was a former children's entertainer) who was a 9/11 truther and he wasn't remotely fash or QAnon adjacent!

"finland doesn't exist" reminds me of the episode of garfield & friends where garfield proves that there is no such state as wyoming

i googled denver int'l airport and at first glance am not entirely sure why it belongs in "we have questions" as opposed to "unequivocally false but mostly harmless"

I wonder if some of it is just different senses of scale? Like, to me, having an airport twice the size of Manhattan sounds insane, but I've never been to Denver...

This is MONSTER ERASURE and I am not having it!!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ejfsum6XkAMmJz5?format=jpg&name=900x900

where's "covid doesn't exist"? that's a current one with one of my siblings. entertaining watching them try and argue with their "it was made in a Chinese lab" buddies.

@calzino hahaha awesome

@kinder - covid-19 denial is in the yellow anti-science layer

i believe it isn't!

Conspiracy denial denialism!!!! Now that's a truly astonishing level of meta! ;)

where's "covid doesn't exist"? that's a current one with one of my siblings.

One of my daughter's friends was playing with her in the park a week or so and she turned to me the other day and said, "Coronavirus is fake, it's not real". She's 6. Her parents are nice but idiots.

So as I figured, the Wisconsin pharmacist who ruined vaccine doses was motivated by conspiracy theory.
I know we just encounter conspiracy theory nutjobs more often nowadays but there truly are more of them no? Any studies/stats on that? I've def encountered more irl the past decade then I did the previous 3 decades combined.
I'm more concerned about them and their effects than most other "real societal problems", partly because they seem to make those problems worse than they already are. Are a significant portion of humans just hardwired for magical thinking/"secret knowledge" BS? The % decrease in ppl who believe in religious nonsense has been offset by those who believe in conspiracy theory nonsense.

I'm sure the internet has lead to greater dissemination of conspiracy theories and wider adoption of them. for example: I cannot count the number of people I have encountered, of different social, ethnic, and national backgrounds, of different political persuasions, or of none, that have watched and believed the Loose Change films.

Undoubtedly they are disseminated at a more furious pace than ever before, but I still don't think that explains how many more people seemingly believe in them than ever before.

Right, I agree. Psychologist in me thinks it has to do with society growing more complex by the day which causes fear, paranoia, and helplessness in ppl. Clutching onto a conspiracy theory (or theories! ppl I've met generally believe in more than one if they believe in any) gives them a sense of control and understanding.

The illusion of control is the biggest conspiracy theory of them all imo

The trusted journal Fortean Times had a recent editorial about how the mainstream media is treating current conspiracy theories as a new form of moral panic (specifically Q-Anon, 5G, Vaccine chips, etc.), thus giving marginal fringe groups much more coverage than they probably warrant... and disseminating their influence far more widely than some back alley message board ever could.

I also think there's a growing cadre of voices, from Trump on down, yelling that mainstream media sources are fake, and so other 'news' sources, from Newsmax and OANN to randos on youtube, are being sought out as the alternative. My neighbor is a well educated attorney and a very nice person in most instances, but she's totally down the 5G/vaccination rabbit holes.

Yeah I think balkanazation of the news media, which is part of a larger trend of mistrust in authority and expertise, feeds the growth. It's funny to witness, after decades of it being the Left denouncing Big Brother, don't trust anyone over 30, the govt started AIDS etc...to see the patriotic Right get on the bandwagon. And steer it straight towards Crazy Town obv.

in other news, there is some kind of crackpot theory that Helen Keller was a fraud (?) apparently taking root w kids? idk what is this world anymore

thread here:

Guys, something insane happened to me today.

I am on a text chain with my teenage nieces and nephews along with my mom (their grandma) and today my mom asked them if they knew who Helen Keller was...

And their response was that Helen Keller was a fraud who didn't exist.

— Daniel Kunka (@unikunka) January 5, 2021

Hmmm...

https://www.reddit.com/r/QAnonCasualties/comments/krpvc8/stabbed_by_a_qanon_member_i_have_left_qanon_cult/

A whole ton of comments under that story pointing out that this particular poster has a history of trolling though, so I'm gonna proceed with caution.

The Georgia Guidestones... wt actual f?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

I'd never heard of this until yesterday when I was talking with a friend about how she'd gone for a coffee with an old friend of hers and how the conversation had turned somewhat weird. Now, she's known this friend for years but they only catch up with one another every now and again, this friend has always been religious but is now super religious. So, they were talking about Brexit (of course) when the friend said Brexit was just a smokescreen for what is really going on in the world - the smokescreen being a product of an elite of the Vatican(?!), global bankers (naturally) and, er, some other people she couldn't remember, the clue to all of this being the Georgia Guidestones. I think my friend sort of nodded along politely but I think when she was told the 2004 tsunami was manmade because some scientist in the early 20th century had shown you could manufacture tsunamis by drilling into the earth and dropping some sort of device into the earth's crust and the whole thrust of the Georgia Guidestones and the elites behind it is to drastically reduce the world's population, she demurred. Apparently her friend invited me and her to visit at her house out in Sussex, I said if you think I'm spending a weekend with an insane person you can forget it.

There have been developments in this story, this friend of my friend is now a rabid anti-lockdown activist and anti-vaxxer - apparently she is refusing to take the COVID vaccine because it changes your DNA and also because Bill Gates. They've been keeping in touch and she wanted my friend's email address so she could send her 'background information' on the pandemic - I advised strongly against this! Anyway, so they chatted recently and my friend said she was happy to give her email address but she didn't want sent any stuff on the pandemic and they agreed, but her friend asked her if she didn't mind if they talked about what she was going to send her instead. One of her big things is Agenda 21, which I don't think has been mentioned itt yet:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21

You can google it and find out that it's a favourite among right wing loons, the gist of it being the usual one world government/ one religion stuff, but with added niceties like people being forced off their land to live in boxes (literally) in cities. This woman's main brainworm though - which is connected to Agenda 21 but also to the Georgia Guidestones in some way - is that the elites are working to reduce the world's population to 500 million people (or something) by any means possible. Also, there is some connection to the Illuminati and the Book of Daniel. You know what they say, you can choose your family but you can't choose youur friends.

apparently she is refusing to take the COVID vaccine because it changes your DNA

Did she cite any peer-reviewed papers to back this assertion up?

It's true, I took Moderna's and now I'm a toad

*croak croak*

Not used to hearing wildlife emit mating calls on ILX.

(xxp) I'm sure it would be among the emails sent to my friend. By the way, another one of her friend's dad, who is in his 70s, is also refusing the vaccine because it changes your DNA.

... so it's out there somewhere and people are believing it.

Peer-reviewed? More like Piers Corbyn-reviewed! amirite

Yeah, it's among the chief 'concerns' being cited by anti-vaxxers at the moment.

xp

Changes it how?

Why am I asking

Another connection, she's involved with the same anti-lockdown group that Piers Corybn is involved with though she seems considerably madder than even Piers.

Good luck explaining the difference between mRNA and DNA. Apparently a now-deleted hour-long YouTube video by a 'natural healing consultant' is responsible for this particular brainworm.

Trying to get a CRISPR Mills joke in here

Sounds like she's one step away from stalking a member of the royal family

I came across this one last night and it felt oddly comforting – a callback to a simpler, gentler time:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/kuouoa/i_know_someone_that_works_for_noaa_the_disclosure/

The pharmacist in Wisconsin who purposely destroyed 500 doses of the vac believed the "changes your DNA" thing.

There is some shitty new movie on Netflix with roughly the same plot as that reddit thread so this is some JJ Abrams level astroturfing.

Netflix Hulu

Hunu

ctHulu

Lol

Lol Albert

That DNA theory sounds suspiciously like an ignoramus having read or heard about the Pfizer vaccine using synthetic messenger RNA to teach the body how to combat the virus and morphing that correct information into it 'changing your DNA', because all that DNA/RNA stuff is all so complicated and confusing to people who don't understand the first thing about it.

Which would make you wonder who had access to the vaccine storage areas. I thought you did need to have clearance tied in to previous medical training.
& you would hope that training might get rid of superstitious ignorance.

I'm a little surprised that Agenda 21's not cropped up here before, it's in some ways a really mainstream conspiracy theory, a heightening of "powers elsewhere are interfering with your life / your traditional lifestyle"

Agenda 21 a bit bland as names for global conspiracies go, should've gone with something more like Codex Alimentarius https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Alimentarius#Controversy

Population control seems to be a big thing in conspiracy circles.

I'm a little surprised that Agenda 21's not cropped up here before, it's in some ways a really mainstream conspiracy theory, a heightening of "powers elsewhere are interfering with your life / your traditional lifestyle"

Conspiracy loons I've checked in on are talking about it mostly as "The Great Reset" rather than Agenda 21.

"traditional lifestyle" of course being "what I'm used to within my lifetime"

There’s someone in my office building parking garage with a vanity license plate that says “End A21”.

where's "stevie wonder can see"

― the typo doer (Simon H.), Monday, October 5, 2020 4:47 AM bookmarkflaglink

I finally ran into one of these idiots last year

with a bicycle

Agenda 21 seems like they'd have a good happy hour

A really dumb dude in high school told me that Iggy Pop secretly died filming a “got milk?” commercial because of previously unknown lactose intolerance.

A really dumb dude in high school told me that Iggy Pop secretly died filming a “got milk?” commercial because of previously unknown lactose intolerance.

that’s actually true, “Iggy Pop” has been played by former Vogue editor Carine Roitfeld since the lactose incident

Jennifer Aniston surely.

that’s what they want you to believe

OMG that's awesome. Why can't more conspiracy theories be as delightful?

― Boring United Methodist Church (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, January 12, 2021 1:14 PM (sixteen minutes ago)

don't make me tap the sign

I thought Aniston was in the Five, not the Stooges:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CA1EqsDUgAAcPpt?format=jpg&name=900x900

Jewish Space Lasers. yup.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/marjorie-taylor-greene-qanon-wildfires-space-laser-rothschild-execute.html

dumb false equivalence in the article, but the important thing is: Jewish Space Lasers.

The leading Democratic mischief-maker is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who advocates some left-wing views I consider simplistic and impractical and, in some cases, poll badly.

On noes not POLLING BADLY now what about those JEWISH LASERS.

uh, that's the joke.

uh thanks

Anti-5G necklaces found to be radioactive

Necklaces and accessories claiming to "protect" people from 5G mobile networks have been found to be radioactive.

The Dutch authority for nuclear safety and radiation protection (ANVS) issued a warned about ten products it found gave off harmful ionising radiation.

It urged people not to use the products, which could cause harm with long-term wear.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59703523

lmao but also D:

i have solved this one already

pic.twitter.com/P9pTEm3hIJ

— Conspiracy Theories (@StrangeTheorie) March 29, 2022

My cousin is a criminal defense lawyer who represented to lunatics accused of kidnapping their own children. Turns out they were hardcore into the chemtrails conspiracy. I'd never heard of it before then.

Chemtrail conspiracy

Since then, I've thought of the chemtrails theory as sort of a gateway drug into the larger world of flat earth, QAnon and Making America Great Again.

*two lunatics

lol Mark

Okay, this is news to me... but apparently the Monster logo spells 666.. in Hebrew!!

https://reizeclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/feat0-960x720.jpg

Yup, this lady is wild.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bntfUA6TmLs

"now, do you know what a MILF is?"

awesome

"Bottoms up . . . and the devil laughs."

urrrrgghhhhh

300000 children imprisoned under the streets of Melbourne, Australia apparently.
The big Qanon story there.
Just listening to a Daily beans episode on Qanon being transplanted over there

this lady is wild

14,318,201 views

Okay, this is news to me... but apparently the Monster logo spells 666.. in Hebrew!!

This isn't even accurate though. The sixth letter of the Hebrew alphabet is not used to represent a number ime. six is spelled שש

She's convinced me i'm sorry.

My cousin is a criminal defense lawyer who represented to lunatics accused of kidnapping their own children. Turns out they were hardcore into the chemtrails conspiracy. I'd never heard of it before then.

Chemtrail conspiracy

Since then, I've thought of the chemtrails theory as sort of a gateway drug into the larger world of flat earth, QAnon and Making America Great Again.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, March 30, 2022 4:01 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Well, it does involve that dangerous substance dihydrogen monoxide.

Oh shit it's real

I did hear that dihydrogen monoxide was very very reactive, seems to react or blend with nearly everything it touches.

Heard oxygen was bad enough on its own very reactive to things like flame too.

Breathing oxygen is the biggest cause of cancer (genuinely) so you can’t trust the stuff.

oxygen is nasty, but carbon is the one I mistrust

I try and breathe at least 80% nitrogen, that's safe and reliable.

Someone blew up the Georgia Guidestones last night
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drR9ZX40ckY

And they blew up his house, too
Down on the boardwalk they're ready for a fight
Gonna see what them racket boys can do


sorry

this one looks especially ominous - and super convenient! (I think I actually live in one of these):

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/feb/16/15-minute-city-planning-theory-conspiracists

Yeah, the Edinburgh weapons are all over this on Nextdoor.

It's baffling. My MP - one of the Actual Worst Ones - is full of this guff.

It seems fitting that a leaflet drop warning against Oxford’s traffic filters plan was organised by Not Our Future – a new pressure group led by none other than Fred and Richard Fairbrass of 1990s band turned anti-vaxxers Right Said Fred.

think the "logic" is that this is an extension of congestion charging / ULEZ / LTN to limit where people can drive their cars, and the next step will be everyone living in cages. People really care about where they can drive their cars I guess.

In Cambridge we have a proposal to introduce congestion charging, sounds fair enough, traffic is terrible here, but the neighbourhood WhatsApp is buzzing with fury, organising protests, etc. our local city councilor is in the group but is keeping very quiet about it, he's a green and is probably in favour of it, so probably smart to not mention it there.