So, anyone got an opinion?
― Dan Perry, Thursday, 25 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
'david? you call your teacher david?'
'it's his name.'
'oh, that's, a nice biblical name, right? what does he call you, bathsheba?'
― ethan, Thursday, 25 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 25 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
'oh, uh, thank you.'
'yeah, well...you know, she hates jews. she thinks that they just make money. but let me tell you, she's the one! is she ever, i'm tellin you.'
― Mark, Thursday, 25 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
("I'd like to hit this guy on a gut level.")
― sundar subramanian, Thursday, 25 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 25 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ally, Thursday, 25 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
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― anthonyeaston, Thursday, 25 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
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― Will, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Nicole, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
Such blasphemy! Go away now. ;-) There are a few films of Allen's I don't mind, but I've never been an active fan and ultimately shrug him off.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Ally, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― ethan, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― Kris, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― sundar subramanian, Friday, 26 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
The Gumball Rally, however, sucked horse knackers.
― ogden, Sunday, 28 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-two years ago) link
― kephm, Thursday, 25 March 2004 04:44 (twenty years ago) link
― ipsofacto (ipsofacto), Thursday, 25 March 2004 04:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Ian Johnson (orion), Thursday, 25 March 2004 05:15 (twenty years ago) link
and search Woody Allen stand-up comic, his stand-up stuff from the 60s is unbelievable.
"See this gold watch? This gold watch...my grandfather...on his deathbed...sold me this watch."
it's all in the timing...
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:21 (twenty years ago) link
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:27 (twenty years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:28 (twenty years ago) link
Woody Allen strode into his ambitious period by finally acknowledging his own attractiveness to women--by reversing the humor of sexual embarrassment that defined the early comedies and substituting the pain of romantic longing. Though this 1977 film is snobbish about social fads, its own attitudes often seem narrowly fashionable: the characters yearn for commitment but spend most of their energy on what once was known as "self-actualization." Visually and structurally it's a mess, but many of the situations are genuinely clever, and there are plenty of memorable gags. The perpetual problem is that Allen isn't nearly the thinker he thinks he is.
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:40 (twenty years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 25 March 2004 06:43 (twenty years ago) link
I mean, it's moments llike when he goes back to Annie's house to smash the bug. Again, maybe it has something to do with my own life, but that stuff is so on the money about relationships in a way that few movies before or after have been.
Love and Death is a brilliant comedy with great gags and great imagery and all, but it doesn't hit close to home. Now maybe if I were a cossack...
I wonder what it would've been like to see it in 1977. I suppose I was lucky enough to see it at a young age, watching it now, every attitude, every joke, every gripe, every criticism has been done to death in a 1,000 ways, but never as good.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 25 March 2004 07:13 (twenty years ago) link
I love this movie, by the way. The last time I saw it, I cried during the lobster scene.
― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 25 March 2004 07:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 25 March 2004 08:24 (twenty years ago) link
― Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 25 March 2004 08:45 (twenty years ago) link
"My brother was killed in the war by a Polish conscientious objector."
etc.
― Bunged Out (Jake Proudlock), Thursday, 25 March 2004 11:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 25 March 2004 11:09 (twenty years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 25 March 2004 11:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Baravelli. (Jake Proudlock), Thursday, 25 March 2004 12:45 (twenty years ago) link
"This is my Grammy Hall""Grammy? You call her Grammy?" ........"And this is my brother Duane""Duane?"
― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 25 March 2004 12:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 25 March 2004 12:54 (twenty years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 March 2004 12:58 (twenty years ago) link
manhattan's better. he hates it of course.
― piscesboy, Thursday, 25 March 2004 13:04 (twenty years ago) link
― Baravelli. (Jake Proudlock), Thursday, 25 March 2004 13:13 (twenty years ago) link
totally! fun fact: annie hall was originally conceived of/shot as a MURDER MYSTERY!
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 25 March 2004 15:06 (twenty years ago) link
― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 25 March 2004 15:11 (twenty years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 25 March 2004 15:12 (twenty years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 25 March 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago) link
― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 25 March 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago) link
― dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 25 March 2004 15:16 (twenty years ago) link
― ModJ (ModJ), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:31 (twenty years ago) link
― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:35 (twenty years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 25 March 2004 16:42 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 25 March 2004 21:32 (twenty years ago) link
― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 25 March 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 25 March 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 25 March 2004 22:11 (twenty years ago) link
― Ally C (Ally C), Thursday, 25 March 2004 22:13 (twenty years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 26 March 2004 08:11 (twenty years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 26 March 2004 15:40 (twenty years ago) link
Beyond classic.
and I love star wars too.
― hector (hector), Friday, 26 March 2004 22:05 (twenty years ago) link
(I don't remember the lobster scene . . .)
― sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 27 March 2004 05:26 (twenty years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 27 March 2004 05:29 (twenty years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 27 March 2004 05:30 (twenty years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 27 March 2004 05:31 (twenty years ago) link
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― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Monday, 23 April 2007 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link
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― s1ocki, Monday, 23 April 2007 14:50 (seventeen years ago) link
― Nicole, Monday, 23 April 2007 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― kenan, Monday, 23 April 2007 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Dr Morbius, Monday, 23 April 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link
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― deeznuts, Monday, 23 April 2007 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius, Monday, 23 April 2007 19:50 (seventeen years ago) link
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― That one guy that quit, Monday, 23 April 2007 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link
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― jaymc, Monday, 23 April 2007 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jeff, Monday, 23 April 2007 22:49 (seventeen years ago) link
― A B C, Monday, 23 April 2007 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― deeznuts, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― pisces, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 01:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― Bill in Chicago, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 02:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 02:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 03:56 (seventeen years ago) link
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― Rich Smörgasbord, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 08:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― C. Grisso/McCain, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 17:28 (seventeen years ago) link
― deeznuts, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 17:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 17:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link
Marshall McLuhan was not Allen's first choice. Federico Fellini and Luis Buñuel were asked first.
― C. Grisso/McCain, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 17:37 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 17:43 (seventeen years ago) link
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― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― deeznuts, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 18:03 (seventeen years ago) link
ok so call me dumb but anyone want to explain this line?
ANNIE (Smiling) What's so great about New York? I mean, it's a dying city. You read Death in Venice.
What does Death in Venice have to do with New York?
― otm in new york (G00blar), Monday, 6 April 2009 14:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Sub-plot of Death in Venice is that people still go there although there is a disease rampant in the city. So it's dying but still people love it?
― commons hack spat (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 6 April 2009 14:54 (fifteen years ago) link
I mean whole thing is about death obviously but I think that's what that is referring to. Indeed it's more like a celebration of decay...maybe...possibly.
― commons hack spat (Ned Trifle II), Monday, 6 April 2009 14:58 (fifteen years ago) link
Joey Five-Cents!
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 03:36 (fifteen years ago) link
Annie Hall is neither classic nor dud. It is just hopelessly irrelevant.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 03:46 (fifteen years ago) link
HOPELESSLY
― http://tinyurl.com/6hk24 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 04:31 (fifteen years ago) link
Shh! Some of us still need the eggs, ok?
― tits akimbo (kenan), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 05:26 (fifteen years ago) link
It can still be classic and hopelessly irrelevant (although I don't think it is that either).
― commons hack spat (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 06:58 (fifteen years ago) link
what the hell is an irrelevant movie? it's not relevant to your life as a spanish fighter jet pilot? it's not relevant to deregulation legislation of the 1980s? what?
― jermainetwo, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 08:45 (fifteen years ago) link
i'd like to know what that line abt death in venice means also. i mean if ned's right, that it's at ppl loving a city despite the decay, wouldnt annie then love new york? rather than asking why ppl love it?
― just sayin, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 09:58 (fifteen years ago) link
The line is there mostly to set up the joke that follows it. He says you didn't read it until I gave it to you, she says he only gave her books with death in the title. Or something like that.
― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 11:31 (fifteen years ago) link
This is true of course! We shouldn't overanalyse but...
I think she saying that people (in the novel) are kind of oblivious to the dangers of the city (or they know about them but don't care) and Annie is saying but we're cleverer than they - we KNOW it's a dying city and we should get out and move to L.A.
― commons hack spat (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 11:34 (fifteen years ago) link
And don't forget that later Alvy says "A relationship is like a shark. It has to constantly move forward or it dies. And I think what we have here is a dead shark" (I'm paraphrasing here). Which could also apply to, um, New York in the late 1970s, early 80s and so, er, is sub-consciously agreeing with Annie's earlier comment.
― commons hack spat (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 11:38 (fifteen years ago) link
I think the "New York is dying, let's get out" meme was big in the seventies, as was Visconti's Death in Venice so it might have been a more obvious parallel then than it is now... Annie = realist, Woody = hopelessly morbid romantic, ie set-up of all Woody Allen films of the period...
― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 11:47 (fifteen years ago) link
They would make a great double bill.
― commons hack spat (Ned Trifle II), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 12:09 (fifteen years ago) link
New York (certainly Manhattan) is now essentially dead for anyone except the demographic that populates Woody's urban comedies.
also Aimless, yer a dope.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 12:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Aimless might be a lot of things but dope isn't one of them, I don't think.
However your first sentence is pretty OTM.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 12:22 (fifteen years ago) link
I love it when they go to L.A.
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 12:26 (fifteen years ago) link
ok, Aimless' "remock" (as Woody wd say) was dopey.
I've still never been to LA, partly cuz AH warned me about it.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 12:32 (fifteen years ago) link
By the way, while I was googling that line from Annie Hall, I came across a great thing. The New Yorker digital reader gives you searchable access to every single issue of the New Yorker from 1925. While it's in beta, it's free - you just have to put in an email address. After beta they're charging but it's good for now.
http://archives.newyorker.com/
― Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 12:50 (fifteen years ago) link
dayum
― FREE DOM AND ETHAN (special guest stars mark bronson), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 12:51 (fifteen years ago) link
calling this movie hopelessly irrelevant is either dopey or just meaningless. it's not irrelevant, either as a love story or as a film... i mean, i guess if you're looking at it as a guide to new york city living, maybe!
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 13:52 (fifteen years ago) link
influence in the genre, whether you feel it to be positive or negative, at least proves 'relevance'
― The Devil's Avocado (Gukbe), Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:00 (fifteen years ago) link
also, asking the happy couple how they're doing so well is still A+
fuck a relevance.
― s1ocki, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:02 (fifteen years ago) link
and i always carry a sock o' manure in movie lines.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 8 April 2009 14:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Anyone see it at the Brooklyn Bridge Park tonight? I have to admit there was something magical about seeing Allen and Keaton by the bridge and then looking to my right and seeing the bridge (from the other side obv)
― surfer blood for oil (Hurting 2), Friday, 9 July 2010 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link
The movie is visually gorgeous― Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 25 March 2004 08:24 (7 years ago) Bookmark
― honest weights, square dealings (schlump), Monday, 3 October 2011 11:16 (twelve years ago) link
I'm always cheerleading for how consistently good-to-great American cinematography was in the '70s. Gordon Willis, top tier.
― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2011 11:34 (twelve years ago) link
yeah. i am not great with cinematographers but woody did pretty well - interiors is memorably beguiling, stardust memories really well done etc.
anyway i just rescreened this & was stunned; i wonder where i was at when i first saw it, as little of my idea of what it was like related to its emotional punch. as a portrait of the dynamics of their relationship it's incredible, catching how both their idiosyncrasies are at first endearing & attractive & vital, & then eventually the fuel for their downfall.
― honest weights, square dealings (schlump), Monday, 3 October 2011 11:41 (twelve years ago) link
For me, Annie Hall holds up much better than Manhattan, even though the thing that most bothers me about Manhattan--anti-pretension masking wild pretensions--is just starting to creep in. (I realize Manhattan is a sacred film for many people, so I don't really want to start knocking it.)
― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2011 11:45 (twelve years ago) link
i kind of can't remember manhattan that well at this moment, so would probably benefit from catching that again, also (i had a couple of years of telling everyone that stardust was his best movie, i guess pointedly on account of being some kind of connoisseurish b&w alternative to manhattan, though a rewatch convinced me otherwise - though i am very fond of it, particularly its precision meta-referential take on his career, & sequences of it in particular, it doesn't have the rhythm of his best, & ends a couple of times before ending, etc). what was interesting in annie hall, kinda prefiguring love & death, in which intellectual references are quoted for their absurd phonic qualities & for a humorous shift in register, was that to a more restrained degree he's still using those references kind of self-deprecatingly & to impugn others, always as a distancing, complicating thing in communication or relationships. i'm not sure how pretentious manhattan is; the parts that stick with me are those examples of wonderfully human and common reflexive bullshit - don't fall in love with me, i'm broken etc, which, like with annie hall, kinda resonate deeply whether you are woody or not. eesh anyway this slayed me.
― honest weights, square dealings (schlump), Monday, 3 October 2011 12:42 (twelve years ago) link
also, just as an aside, woody looks so great in this film, outfits & everything - idk if elmo's reading this thread but there were some plaid shirt/herringbone jacket combos that i thought he'd be into
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― honest weights, square dealings (schlump), Monday, 3 October 2011 12:47 (twelve years ago) link
Ralph Lauren, ya know
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
I can't defend Manhattan as anything other than an occasionally amusing film but I've made my peace with the thing.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 October 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
I love Manhattan. You guys are loons.
― polyphonic, Monday, 3 October 2011 19:47 (twelve years ago) link
Annie Hall is better but polyphonic otm
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 October 2011 19:53 (twelve years ago) link
i love manhattan too but i haven't seen since i was a teenager and i'm reluctant to revisit it pretty much the same reasons i'm scared to revisit catcher in the rye. still it's showing in town soon on the big screen so i'll definitely check it out (if only for the opening monologue and the gershwin). if i can tolerate/borderline enjoy vicky cristina barcelona and pine for the relative quality of 90s woody allen i'm pretty sure manhattan will deliver just fine. do wish he'd make another movie w/ diane keaton. manhattan murder mystery really should be the template - small cast, alda-huston-keaton-allen, maybe switch up the other two parties (maybe throw tony roberts and dianne wiest in the mix) but a doddering nick and norah type series w/ allen and keaton is something i could actually imagine being entertained by, and there aren't alot of scenarios for 'future woody allen movies' i can say that about.
― balls, Monday, 3 October 2011 19:56 (twelve years ago) link
I could've seen Midnight in Paris for free last night and opted to pay to see 50/50 instead...
anyway my POV on Manhattan changed considerably from teendom to adulthood. I loved it 18 but I interpreted it completely differently than I do now
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 October 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
― polyphonic, Monday, October 3, 2011 3:47 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark
― Juggy Brottleteen (ENBB), Monday, 3 October 2011 19:59 (twelve years ago) link
Manhattan's philosophy is suspect, but that's not of paramount importance, is it?
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:11 (twelve years ago) link
anyway, I wish for a sock o' manure on a daily basis
I'm not sure what the overall "philosophy" of the film is.
I prefer to view Woody as the villain of the film, fwiw
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
manhattan still holds up for me, maybe even better than when i was 18. whatever happened to marshall brickman anyway
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Monday, 3 October 2011 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
I've discussed this before: the ping-pong dialogue between Woody and Michael Murphy in the classroom condenses everything that's wrong about Allen in this period (characters defining themselves and others through psychoanalytic cliches, actors not given anything to do but embody those cliches). And I don't care for the clumsy way in which the movie tries to have it both ways: romanticism and sourness.
But I can still watch it and laugh.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 October 2011 21:29 (twelve years ago) link
Pretty much the same: looks fantastic, there's stuff that makes me laugh, and I can still appreciate why it was such a big deal at the time. But there are things that make me cringe, and that scene in the classroom is one of the worst offenders.
― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2011 21:42 (twelve years ago) link
re: that scene, it's not particularly realistic dialogue but the one liners are all funny ("I have to model myself after someone!" lol)
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 October 2011 21:43 (twelve years ago) link
The film becomes nostalgia in the act of its unfolding, so I've never considered it realistic.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 October 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
Some of the throwaway stuff makes me laugh: Woody's reaction to Wallace Shawn, when he puts his hand in the water while rowboating, the brown water, etc.
― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2011 21:47 (twelve years ago) link
there is a guy in my preschool co-op who, god help me, reminds me of Wallace Shawn every time I see him. He's like 2 ft taller than Shawn but he talks EXACTLY like him, the lisp, the diction everything. it's unnerving.
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 October 2011 21:48 (twelve years ago) link
I like all the bits satirizing liberal fatuity.
Meryl Streep -- the role and the performance -- are unbearable though.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 October 2011 21:49 (twelve years ago) link
she gets what 5 minutes of screen time? I think she only has two scenes iirc
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 October 2011 21:50 (twelve years ago) link
She makes sure we understand that her hair is doing all the work.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 October 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
I'm wondering where the film stands in relation to Streep's marriage to Cazale--my guess is that she was making it either just before or just after he died.
― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2011 21:54 (twelve years ago) link
this is the Annie Hall thread btw
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2011 21:58 (twelve years ago) link
Can we at least talk about how awful Barack Obama is?
― clemenza, Monday, 3 October 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
We're reaffirming its goodness.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 October 2011 22:03 (twelve years ago) link
lol clemenza
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 October 2011 22:06 (twelve years ago) link
i love that scene in the classroom, don't see what's wrong with Meryl Streep either but then i'm in love with Manhattan so any criticism is too much!
Streep's take by the way is interesting:"I don't think Woody Allen even remembers me. I went to see Manhattanand I felt like I wasn't even in it. I was pleased with the film because Ilooked pretty in it and I thought it was entertaining. But I only worked onthe film for three days and I didn't get to know Woody. Who gets to knowWoody? He's very much of a womanizer; very self-involved. On a certain level,the film offends me because it's about all these people whose sole concernis discussing their emotional states or their neuroses. It's sad becauseWoody has the potential to be America's Chekhov. But instead, he's stillcaught up in the jet-set crowd type of life, trivializing his talent."
― piscesx, Monday, 3 October 2011 22:16 (twelve years ago) link
I'll remind Ms. Streep that Allen's stab at Chekhov in September was exactly that -- into his neck.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 October 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
what year is that Streep quote from?
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 October 2011 22:17 (twelve years ago) link
some time in the late 90s maybe? http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/kammer/gossip-is-the-new-pornography/i first read it on IMDB way back.
― piscesx, Monday, 3 October 2011 22:22 (twelve years ago) link
― Juggy Brottleteen (ENBB), Monday, October 3, 2011 3:59 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
― horseshoe, Monday, 3 October 2011 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
philosophy schmilosophy
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― balls, Monday, 3 October 2011 23:40 (twelve years ago) link
What an intense young Method actress.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 October 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link
what a fucking babe
― balls, Monday, 3 October 2011 23:44 (twelve years ago) link
weirdo
― remy bean, Monday, 3 October 2011 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
And I don't care for the clumsy way in which the movie tries to have it both ways: romanticism and sourness.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, October 3, 2011 5:29 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
thats why i dig it! real life tries to have it both ways too, man
the only thing i'll say against manhattan is a lot of the supporting characters are too wooden, too caricatured, but fuck me its a gorgeous movie... clemenza otm about 70s cinematography
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Monday, 3 October 2011 23:50 (twelve years ago) link
Eh. The cinematography freezes the characters' crises like pins through a butterfly.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 October 2011 23:52 (twelve years ago) link
Streep can shut up now that she mostly plays cartoon bitches (w/ the odd cartoon chef tossed in for flavor).
Annie Hall is intimate, Manhattan tries to have the characters stand in for a class. And they're around, I've seen them, but they don't talk to me.
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2011 23:54 (twelve years ago) link
there are few films i dread like that thatcher biopic looming out there
― balls, Monday, 3 October 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
also, what is so fascinating about a bunch of pituitary cases trying to stuff a ball through a hoop?
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 October 2011 23:55 (twelve years ago) link
ha are there woody allen movies where the characters don't stand in for a class? manhattan's at least slightly aware of it.
― balls, Monday, 3 October 2011 23:56 (twelve years ago) link
Manhattan is totally mediocre at best except for the first 5 minutes when it doesn't have people in it.
I saw Annie Hall recently and thought it very good, often: it seemed like the best of Woody Allen, like the best feature film version you were ever going to get of the thing that Woody Allen does or did on feature film.
― the pinefox, Monday, 3 October 2011 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPh59jOoiEs
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Monday, 3 October 2011 23:59 (twelve years ago) link
you always hurt my feelings pinefox
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:00 (twelve years ago) link
i think annie hall is prob better, but i mean i don't even like to think like that
― horseshoe, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
pinefox not otm except for the fact about the first 5 mins begin great because they unquestionably are
― Juggy Brottleteen (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
horseshoe otm... its like chocolate and vanilla... why cant we just appreciate living in a world with two delicious flavors in it
― The sham nation of Israel should be destroyed. (Princess TamTam), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:03 (twelve years ago) link
if you're gonna dismiss a film just cuz of sour characters, lotta Altman gonna fall by the wayside.
so we already covered that AH was supposed to be a murder mystery, yeah?
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:03 (twelve years ago) link
that's right!
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:04 (twelve years ago) link
but except for Short Cuts (remember those musical sequences) Altman didn't sentimentalize his sourness.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:05 (twelve years ago) link
uh you seen the long goodbye?
― balls, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:07 (twelve years ago) link
No sourness in TLG -- he's having a great time transforming the source material.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
so that's a no then
― balls, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:10 (twelve years ago) link
Those loving shots of nude women doing yoga, the security guard and his terrible Barbara Stanwyck investigation, Gould's performance -- none of this is sour!
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:11 (twelve years ago) link
Plus, it's not like the Chandler material wasn't itself sentimental.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
long goodbye's at least as cornball sweet and sour as manhattan. it's an incredibly better movie obv - altman vs allen isn't much of a contest - but the wounded rejected romantic dumb heart at the core of every grouchy cynic is laid bare there as much as in manhattan or crimes and misdemeanors (the lesser allen storyline obv), most of the time altman's cynicism is more jovial misanthrope (or at least misogynist) but the long goodbye definitely has a romantic streak.
― balls, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:16 (twelve years ago) link
I know a cynic is an aggrieved sentimentalist, but I don't see cynicism in TLG, or even misanthropy, which is more obvious in the mid and late seventies movies.
― Anakin Ska Walker (AKA Skarth Vader) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:18 (twelve years ago) link
popeye sentimentalizes sourness also, but whatever romanticism is there is due to nilsson.
― balls, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:19 (twelve years ago) link
and such small portions!
― incredibly middlebrow (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 00:27 (twelve years ago) link
wow, i read altman v. differently than you do. i see his films as disappointed humanism, maybe a touch sarcastic. but sour? i think altman's winking at his audience all the time, and the 'sourness' is always bracketed by a heavy dose of absurdity.
(except brewster mccloud, which might actually be sour, but that's only b/c i don't understand it at all)
― remy bean, Tuesday, 4 October 2011 01:26 (twelve years ago) link
agree with remy here re: Altman
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 October 2011 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
weird that I have never noticed the complete lack of score/sdtk/music in this movie before.
amazing how breezily this movie blows by, the scenes are all really short but so perfectly sequenced
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:35 (twelve years ago) link
Interiors doesn't have much music either (someone plays the piano?). He only got the swing/jazz jukebox going w/ Manhattan.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 March 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
all the good meetings are taken
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Saturday, 23 June 2012 04:12 (eleven years ago) link
i'd somehow never noticed that when alvy goes over to kill the spider the photos of him w/ the lobster are framed on the wall.
Gordon Willis rocks
http://www.filmforum.org/images/sliders/AnnieHall702.jpg
― piscesx, Saturday, 23 June 2012 05:27 (eleven years ago) link
Haven't read through this thread, but I can't even believe this is a question.
― to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Saturday, 23 June 2012 05:35 (eleven years ago) link
I can't believe Face to Face isn't available on DVD
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 June 2012 11:44 (eleven years ago) link
Face To Face came out on DVD (but not BluRay) in the states last year from Olive Films.
― Electro-Shock Rory (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 23 June 2012 15:15 (eleven years ago) link
will be esp revelatory to New Yorkers of a certain age -- the filming locations, in two parts:
http://www.scoutingny.com/?p=5704
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link
thats awesome
― WheatusVEVO (Hungry4Ass), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
spent a fair amout of time in those vanished movie theatres... including an Allen marathon in the New Yorker circa 1979-80.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
god I loved the Thalia...we used to cut class at Columbia and go for all day one price movie marathons, and you could smoke in the back! Bliss....
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
I remember seeing a double bill of Head and Skidoo there, also a Reagan twofer of The Killers and Hellcats of the Navy.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
9-year-old Alvy to doctor: “The universe is everything, and if it’s expanding, someday it will break apart and that would be the end of everything.”Mom: “What is that your business?”For me, the first hour of “Annie Hall” is the funniest stuff I’ve ever seen in a film. The movie line scene slays me every time, maybe because that’s how I feel whenever people pontificate loudly so everyone can hear them. Hannah’s another favorite. My favorite Woody jokes are the ones that reduce a hugely profound topic to a cheap punch line:1) Mickey’s father, during a discussion on the existence of God: “How the hell do I know why there were Nazis? I don't know how the can opener works!”2) Mickey: “And Nietzsche, with his theory of eternal recurrence. He said that the life we lived, we’re gonna live over again the exact same way for eternity. Great. That means I’ll have to sit through the Ice Capades again.”
― Jazzbo, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
he had a similar line in his early humor prose: "Not only is there no God, but try finding a plumber on Tuesdays."
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
9-year-old Alvy to doctor: “The universe is everything, and if it’s expanding, someday it will break apart and that would be the end of everything.”Mom: “What is that your business?”
I showed this scene, once a year on Woody's birthday, to grade 6 classes for a decade. (Going right up to my favorite part--"He won't do his homework"/"What's the point?"--which I sincerely believed at least some of the kids would get.) I don't recall more than a couple of kids laughing. I'd then try to explain the absurdity of the scene. Still nothing. I finally gave up and switched to a YouTube clip of the subway scene in Bananas last year.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link
you sre trying to turn pubescents into 40-year-old analysands, i'm convinced
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
This is like the ultimate date movie.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
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sighhhh
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 18:59 (eleven years ago) link
I finally gave up and switched to a YouTube clip of the subway scene in Bananas last year.
You showed a scene of an old woman reading WA's copy of Orgasm to 6th graders?
― Eric H., Wednesday, 15 August 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
otoh, the Thalia's floor sloped upward toward the screen.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
You sent me scurrying back to the clip to check--that shot's right at the end, so it was easy to stop the clip well before that. (xpost)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 19:04 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/u5aMAoEbFl0/hqdefault.jpg
― aerosmith suck because their corporate rock that sucks (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
My friend played little Alvy Singer, and his brother played the kid in Stardust Memories!
― Iago Galdston, Wednesday, 15 August 2012 22:07 (eleven years ago) link
whoa!
i was gonna say your friend's brother is seth green but that was radio days.
still that's hella cool.
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 15 August 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, Jon did Annie Hall and his brother Robert was in Stardust Memories...great guys.
― Iago Galdston, Thursday, 16 August 2012 00:22 (eleven years ago) link
one of the Bad News Bears played Woodykid in Love & Death
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 August 2012 00:23 (eleven years ago) link
oh man, i loved Bad News Bears....
― Iago Galdston, Thursday, 16 August 2012 00:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/04/annie-hall-40th-anniversary-woody-allen-carol-kane-marshall-brickman
If I'm reading this right Allen ditched an hour of filmed material. I'm sure he did the right thing for the movie but jeez I bet those offcuts are better than anything he's done in the past few years.
― Dan Worsley, Thursday, 20 April 2017 19:49 (seven years ago) link
Anhedonia: All the Trims
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 April 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
The only remnants of these high-concept deleted scenes are images preserved on lobby cards that were produced at the time to be displayed in movie theaters. One was a basketball game between the New York Knicks and history’s great philosophers, including Kierkegaard and Nietzsche.
https://breadcity.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/annie-hall-basketball.jpg
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 April 2017 20:37 (seven years ago) link
lolz
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 April 2017 20:39 (seven years ago) link
screenplay draft (which at a skim seemed full of extra unused stuff) and tons more here!
https://cinephiliabeyond.org/annie-hall-one-last-beautiful-american-films-pre-blockbuster-era/
― piscesx, Thursday, 20 April 2017 23:19 (seven years ago) link
i wonder if he'd seen this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6nI1v7mwwA
― piscesx, Thursday, 20 April 2017 23:21 (seven years ago) link
(from the above Cinephilia piece)
https://cinephiliabeyond.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/5.jpg
― piscesx, Thursday, 20 April 2017 23:31 (seven years ago) link
I'll be at a 25-year dinner tonight that my board puts on every year. But the whole time I'll be thinking about the Raptors-Warriors game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxahqTnafM8
― clemenza, Thursday, 29 November 2018 13:04 (five years ago) link
http://www.cnn.com/2019/04/25/world/universe-expanding-faster-scn/index.html
More unfinished homework.
http://wondersinthedark.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/annie-hall-3.jpg
― clemenza, Friday, 26 April 2019 00:03 (five years ago) link
adding the universe to "sun, milk, red meat, college"
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 April 2019 00:23 (five years ago) link
I did not know this
Woody Allen's Annie Hall includes a scene in which Alvy (Allen) and Annie (Diane Keaton) are observing passersby in the park. Alvy comments, "Oh, there's the winner of the Truman Capote Look-Alike Contest". The passerby is actually Truman Capote (who appeared in the film uncredited).
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 20:59 (four years ago) link
i've read that before, was skeptical
pre-stardom Sigourney Weaver is in it (no lines)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 21:07 (four years ago) link
I'm sure I'll get grief for playing anything having to do with Woody Allen in a school setting, but I would always play the expanding-universe scene for students whenever that subject came up (they hardly ever laughed). I got back from a planning today, and the grade 7 class I was in for was finishing up with their language teacher, talking about a poem having to do with large spiders. So of course I thought of the spider scene in Annie Hall.
Didn't have time to check it, but I thought: "Any language?" (pretty sure not); "Any drugs?" (possibly, I think Diane Keaton lights up a joint--I can skip past that); "Anything sexual" (don't think so). All I could think of were two jokes: the spider as big as a Buick, and the one where Allen asks Keaton if she wants him to rehabilitate the spider. Seemed innocuous enough, and students don't know Woody Allen from Toy Story Woody. So I played it. I was right on those three questions, but halfway through he finds Keaton's black soap and makes a minstrel joke.
Jesus...This is the second time this has happened to me in a year (the other a Culture Club video). I will eventually get it through my thick skull not to play anything older than five or ten years unless you check it first.
― clemenza, Thursday, 5 May 2022 00:08 (one year ago) link