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Classic or dud? Am I missing out on my generation's Woodstock? Should I be upset about this?

Mary (Mary), Monday, 11 August 2003 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

one of the biggest DUDs of all time. I should note that I haven't been, but every thing I've ever heard about it makes me cringe.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

It gets everyone obnoxious out of town for a few days. CLASSIC.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:15 (twenty years ago) link

Jenny Calendar liked it, but she turned out to be a dishonest gypsy. DUD.

Larcole (Nicole), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:18 (twenty years ago) link

Most of the people I know that go are... Lawyers.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:20 (twenty years ago) link

People I know and like really love this and swear by it and always try to tell me how amazing an event it is, but they're all new-age hippies retards, so I'm gonna say dud, even though I personally know absolutely nothing about it and am too lazy/too hip to bother learning.

;-) (nickalicious), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:22 (twenty years ago) link

actually, that was a lame statement, I should say that of the lawyers I know and love, the ones that go to burning man are the ones I like least

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:24 (twenty years ago) link

Actually, I seriously know nothing about Burning Man other than lotsa hippie/neo-shamanic people I know are hella into it and go every year, and I'm torn between sharing some key interests with these people and hating being around them, so I'm guessing I'd have a pretty distinctly ambiguous love/hate appreciation for this event. I'd probably love what it's (supposed to be) about, and probably hate being around all these people behaving thusly.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:28 (twenty years ago) link

ahh the late 90s... do they still have them?

burning man : leisure activity :: dotcom : sound business model

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:28 (twenty years ago) link

It's Vegas for Vegans
hahahahahahahaha

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:29 (twenty years ago) link

It just seems so haphazard and vulgar.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:30 (twenty years ago) link

"Hey everybody! Let's go out to the desert and act all freaky-like! C'mon, it'll be a hoot!"

oops (Oops), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:37 (twenty years ago) link

"dude, we can buy some really great soap and maybe some bracelets"

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

If a bunch of hippies are in the desert, and there's no one to smell them, do they have a smell?

NA (Nick A.), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:38 (twenty years ago) link

has anyone that's posted so far actually been to one?

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:43 (twenty years ago) link

This is one of the few times where I can't stop myself from judging something by the people who like it; the people I know and have known who go to Burning Man are among the most loathsome, flaky, obnoxious, insulated, sheltered, spoiled, and flat-out stupid people I've met (I'm talking almost exclusively about northeasterners, if there's a significant difference). It isn't possible for me to separate out my utter contempt for them from my impression of Burning Man, even if it should be. If I miss out on a big zoomy zeitgeist-a-go-go as a result, I'll live with that.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:51 (twenty years ago) link

ts: Burning Man vs Flashmobbing

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:53 (twenty years ago) link

Judging from this piece on it, it doesn't seem like anything at all actually happens out there in the desert...or maybe EVERYTHING happens out there!

(ps no it doesn't)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:58 (twenty years ago) link

It would be better if they really set dudes on fire. That would probably attract more of a NASCAR crowd, and me, of course.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Monday, 11 August 2003 17:59 (twenty years ago) link

The two people who I met who first clued me into it were like the coolest NYC people ever. Also, I think Douglas has just taken off to it, and I know Geeta has been before. So at least the NYers who go seem to be with it people.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

i thought it suXoRed but then i went a few years ago and it was fantastic!

since everything dries immediately in the desert (it's like 110 degrees out during the day) nothing smells at all

so many different crowds of ppl go that you can avoid whatever people you dont like (hippies, ravers, whatever) -- not to mention there's always about 1000 things going on simultaneously so you can go to what you like and not go to what you don't like

i'm pretty anti-hippie myself

geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:02 (twenty years ago) link

I just can't seem to find out what actually happens out there!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:13 (twenty years ago) link

the only person I know who's been (that I know of) is definitely one of the coolest NYC people I know. she's from Kansas City.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:19 (twenty years ago) link

well the kids i go with are more of the scary industrial types -- they build huge art pieces (metal sculptures, massive LED arrays, etc)

i'm going in two weeks -- i am psyched (douglas will be there again also!)

geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:20 (twenty years ago) link

by huge i mean 50 - 100 feet high

geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:21 (twenty years ago) link

As much as I admire and respect my fellow ilxors, I just can't seem to get past the fact that everyone I know who goes is an ignorant hypocrite. Maybe I'll have to reevaluate...

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:27 (twenty years ago) link

i'm not! you'd like me spencer

i'm not sure about the CA contingent, so i can't comment on that

geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:32 (twenty years ago) link

I blogged this last week or so

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:41 (twenty years ago) link

as i said to geeta a few minutes ago, i can take lots of drugs in my apartment all weekend and play x-box. where exactly is the, uh, fun?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:43 (twenty years ago) link

is this like when calvin's dad tried to explain the joys of getting up at 4 am only to eat cold fish for breakfast?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:43 (twenty years ago) link

... Chris, please tell me the first comment on that blog entry is meant to be tongue-in-cheek and not taken seriously?

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:47 (twenty years ago) link

Of course it's serious!

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:48 (twenty years ago) link

If it's serious (it isn't really, is it? it doesn't quite go far enough to be intentionally funny, though...), that says more about my distaste for this than I ever could.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

It's always seemed like a total dud to me. A convention of wasted lives.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:56 (twenty years ago) link

burning man is everything that's every been wrong with the american version of "raving" with the addition of crappy "art" and hippies.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 18:58 (twenty years ago) link

alternately: woodstock '99 without the consoling specter of generational fascism.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:00 (twenty years ago) link

have you been jess?

Mary (Mary), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:07 (twenty years ago) link

I haven't been anyone but myself (except for those two weeks in '95).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:08 (twenty years ago) link

i haven't been jess either, since i changed my name.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:11 (twenty years ago) link

much like tep, the very idea of it is enough to fufill my haterate needs.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:11 (twenty years ago) link

From my transatlantic perspective it seems to make being a hippie an incredible amount of hard and quite intense work, which is sort of contra the point IMO. I get the same feeling as I get when I see the giant metal baby head tank thing at Glastonbury (actually pretty much anything in Lost Vagueness at Glasto) - first encounter "oh thats pretty kewl", all subsequent "God, just relax and stop trying so hard"

Tom (Groke), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:15 (twenty years ago) link

... Chris, please tell me the first comment on that blog entry is meant to be tongue-in-cheek and not taken seriously?

Actually, that comment is from a friend of mine who goes to Burning Man every year (translation: he' s serious)

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:26 (twenty years ago) link

Well, no offense to your friend, then. But ... as I said above.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:28 (twenty years ago) link

aw jess you old curmudgeon you!

a) like with anything else some of it is crap and some of it is really cool
b) everything gets set on fire so if you didn't like some of the art that's ok, it'll all be up in flames at the end

geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:32 (twenty years ago) link

Tep, what are you having a problem with in that statement from Chris's blog? You seem overtly disturbed and I can't figure out why.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:33 (twenty years ago) link

I think the central question here is: would Beavis and Butthead have gone to Burning Man? On the con side, we have hippies, art, and rave music. On the plus side, there's lots of breaking stuff and fire. The jury's still out on this one, folks.

DUN NUH-NUH-NUH NUH-NUH-NUH NUH NUH NUH-NUH!


NA (Nick A.), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:34 (twenty years ago) link

Not a problem, per se -- but it reads like a continuation of Chris's entry, i.e. more a litany of why NOT to go than an actual endorsement. "I feel like an artist" and "I'm starving cause this stuff costs too much"? "I'm Photoshopping my friends into a tarot deck"?

Granted, I think part of me dies any time someone says they "feel like an artist." That's me. But the rest is actually supposed to make it sound good?

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:36 (twenty years ago) link

I seriously had no idea it was still happening!

Is it called "Bill Graham Presents©: Mountain Dew eXtreme™'s Burning Man 2003" yet?

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:39 (twenty years ago) link

HAH I didn't realize there were comments at the bottom and thought you were talking about Chris's list! I R stoopid.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:41 (twenty years ago) link

someone told me it was easy to get laid with hot but somewhat underwashed neo hippie chicks there? is this true?

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:41 (twenty years ago) link

Where, Earth?

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:43 (twenty years ago) link

The crotch.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

haha i got a scholarship to attend!! otherwise i wouldn't be going. i am the mack at applying for zany grants

i should become a professor or something

geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:44 (twenty years ago) link

Geeta, I already like you and your recommendation has me intrigued, but it still just seems gross.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:45 (twenty years ago) link

I like showering each morning.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:50 (twenty years ago) link

i could skip a shower if id just tonked a neo hippie chick

Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:55 (twenty years ago) link

Dan, I thought the same thing about Tep's hatred.

The people I know who go aren't hippies, they are artists/designers/musicians/etc.

Mary (Mary), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:56 (twenty years ago) link

That's just as bad.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 11 August 2003 19:57 (twenty years ago) link

ha yeah like the two are mutually exclusive.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:10 (twenty years ago) link

haha sometimes i imagine jess as this old dude with a long scraggly beard, sitting on a rocking chair on his porch, yelling 'kids these days!' a lot and firing randomly into the air every so often with his shotgun

geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:24 (twenty years ago) link

"shotgun"

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:25 (twenty years ago) link

see that's the thing about dan: he can find the beauty in anything

geeta (geeta), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:28 (twenty years ago) link

hippie shit. dud.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:33 (twenty years ago) link

Costco Soulmate Trading Outlet

http://www.thespoon.com/costco/

Mary (Mary), Monday, 11 August 2003 20:57 (twenty years ago) link

haha geeta i think you're going to be seeing a lot more dudes with scraggly beards and emotional dysfunction where yr going than in my apartment.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 11 August 2003 21:11 (twenty years ago) link

Have been four times, am going again. Lisa & I initially went because we thought "oh, hey, this is unlike anything we'd ever do, why not try it once?" I think we're lifers now. And we are not at ALL "hippie/neo-shamanic" types--we're not even vaguely ravers.

If you're looking for scary scraggly creepy people on lots of drugs there, you will find them. If you're looking for amazing unusual fascinating people, you will also find them. There is a lot of really bad art, and more than a bit of incredibly good art. And the idea of spending 2% or so of my year in a culture that's pretty much entirely based on creativity and kindness really appeals to me.

Also, Gygax, it's a little hard for something to go all commecial when you're not allowed to use money there...

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 11 August 2003 21:58 (twenty years ago) link

how do you score all those bitchin' drugs then?

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:03 (twenty years ago) link

you DON'T want to know

oops (Oops), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:08 (twenty years ago) link

can I go to this and remain cynical, slightly jaded and only kind when I feel like it?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:12 (twenty years ago) link

Incidentally, the original version of the thing Chris blogged actually appeared in Piss Clear, one of the papers that's published at Burning Man.

I mean, if the haters stay home, so much the better (it's not like "no no, you just have to GO there, then you'll SEE"--if you're predisposed to hate it, you will anyway), but it's kind of disconcerting to see the knives coming out.

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:30 (twenty years ago) link

hard to believe, but my question is serious: what is the currency of the BM drug economy?

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:37 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.houseofhorrors.com/wicker2.jpg

Not that I'd ever go, but if I did I'd have to make myself a Christopher Lee costume.

David Beckhouse (David Beckhouse), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:51 (twenty years ago) link

Christopher Lee as Yahoo Serious with Jarvis Cocker's worst suit ever.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 11 August 2003 22:54 (twenty years ago) link

Douglas, my knives are out because of the kind of people I know that go to this thing and the reports they bring back. However, I've always been curious about it and I won't judge the event, just those people (and certainly not you or Geeta).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:02 (twenty years ago) link

Gygax, I am probably underinformed about that, though I have witnessed 1) one guy coming around trying to sell drugs and being totally ignored (nobody even said "no thanks"); 2) somebody that friends of mine had met the year before at BM coming by their tent to offer some surplus drugs as a present. (n.b. I am in general a deeply non-druggy type--my lifetime alcohol consumption to date is less than many people drink in a night, etc.--so have not paid that much attention.)

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:03 (twenty years ago) link

Well, we all know who's DEFINITELY going to Burning Man this year!

donut bitch (donut), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:36 (twenty years ago) link

From a deeply English person it has always looked like some of the good bits of Glastonbury transported to a stupidly hot place with no public water supply that is effectly impossible to deal with without private transport. So yeah, there might be cool stuff, but I'm buggered if I'm dealing with 40 degree heat and hitchhiking to get there. Just relax a bit and have a party in a field somewhere temperate.

Ricardo (RickyT), Monday, 11 August 2003 23:38 (twenty years ago) link

I would so go if it were a Wicker Man festival. I wanna be Ingrid Pitt!

rosemary (rosemary), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 00:23 (twenty years ago) link

I think I would only go if the KLF organized it.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 00:27 (twenty years ago) link

I went last year. Spent the entire week.

Sean (Sean), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 01:47 (twenty years ago) link

I think there might be an east coast/west coast divide on this, since driving a few hours is much less expensive and a much more casual affair than taking a flight, and so maybe it appeals to a wider and possibly less pretentious/unbearable WC crowd. I haven't been yet, but many friends have and have had really good times, met a lot of cool people. It's expensive to get in. I like that it's pretty accepting of all ages; I'm 28 and would feel ridiculous if I started going to raves again.

chester (synkro), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 17:35 (twenty years ago) link

From: Ky
Date: August 23, 2003 4:41 PM
Subject: PPLO on the playa at the Wrong Side of the Trax


Message: Effective immediately, the Wrong Side of the
Trax (Dave Train) subcamp at Burning Man
currently known as the DC Crew will be
rechristened the Party People Liberation
Organization, or PPLO.

Last year, Tom Schild (current PPLO President)
ventured to the Wrong Side of the Trax at the
invitation of Yuta Lee (PPLO Ambassador to the
Dave Train).

This year, our fearless leader Tom is unable to
face the playa but vows to return next year. In
his place, a crew of 11 DC emissaries will be
representing the PPLO on the playa. I believe we
are the largest DC contingent in any camp.

Ambassador Lee arrives in Black Rock City today
for preliminary infrastructure development. Phil
Psilos (General Mayhem) will be in charge of
military operations for recreational terrorism.
In the absence of our President, I will assume
duties as Field Commander-in-Chief. (I'm
currently on TDY in the Bay Area).

We are the PPLO – The Party People Liberation
Organization. We are recreational terrorists
dedicated to decriminalizing the underground and
preserving our constitutional right to express
our individuality, dance, create house music,
celebrate life, groove to whatever makes us
groove, be freaks and, above all, assemble in
the name of love and peace!!!!

PPLO PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
I Pledge Allegiance to the cause of preserving
our music and culture, and to the PPLO that
protects it, at Nation or underground, all night
long, with partying and dancing for all...

Namaste,
Ky ("Key")

Field Commander-in-Chief
PPLO (Party People Liberation Organization)
Wrong Side of the Trax (Dave Train)
3:30 Serious Authority, Black Rock City

gygax! (gygax!), Saturday, 23 August 2003 22:56 (twenty years ago) link

um, can we pleeeeaaasseeee differentiate between the first 3 years of burning man and the very different beast this festival became later?
I went in 1994 (i forget, it was the second year, whichever that was) and it bore NO resemblance to the silly sunbake you see today. except that we did burn a big man.

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 24 August 2003 00:56 (twenty years ago) link

"the people I know and have known who go to Burning Man are among the most loathsome, flaky, obnoxious, insulated, sheltered, spoiled, and flat-out stupid people I've met (I'm talking almost exclusively about northeasterners, if there's a significant difference)."
-Tep

Hahahahahaha... yeah, generalizations about people from entire regions or countries are great. Nothing else does as good a job of bringing the ignorant flotsam of society to the surface. But I'm sure you didn't REALLY mean anything by that, did you Tep? ;)

The Man they call Dan (The Man they call Dan), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:12 (twenty years ago) link

I think he meant northeasterners who went to Burning Man, not all northeasterners.

s1utsky (slutsky), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:14 (twenty years ago) link

lol, all northeasteners who went to burning man--did he demand ID or what? or was it just a straw poll? ;-)

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:15 (twenty years ago) link

What slutsky said -- I'm from the northeast! (A town away from your birthplace, Dan :)) That's why I'm judging from that group: the folks I know who've gone to Burning Man are almost exclusively northeasterners (or college students at northeast schools), cause that's where I was living. It was a pretty popular thing among the Pioneer Valley kids.

Tep (ktepi), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:21 (twenty years ago) link

Hmm, I don't know a great deal about Burning Man, but from what I've seen, isn't it an event that happens in more than one place? I had local friends from Texas who went, but not many people in the Northeast seem to know about it. But I'm not sure, I haven't investigated it enough. Everything I've heard indicated dirty drug-fueled orgy, which might just make it the Woodstock of my generation, minus the good music. But I guess I'll have to go sometime and find out for myself... hah
Ah, I see what you mean now Tep. Otherwise I would have had to start dishing out the yankee attitude ;)

The Man they call Dan (The Man they call Dan), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:27 (twenty years ago) link

Original burning man = Black Rock. Desert near California/Nevada border, on the salt flats.

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 24 August 2003 01:31 (twenty years ago) link

Oh man:

GERLACH, NV—The Burning Man festival, a prominent artistic and countercultural event that draws tens of thousands of people to the Nevada desert annually, is in danger of cancellation this week because "no one had their shit together enough to even make it," organizers said Tuesday.

http://www.theonion.com/current_top_story.html

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 29 August 2003 06:20 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
Quote of the week (scroll down)

"The event likes to bill itself as radical self-sustainability, but really it's an orgy of consumption," said Jack Haye, a computer modeler at Industrial Light and Magic in San Rafael. Haye was exhibiting one of his sculptures at Burning Man.

"There is way too much utilization of new materials that are wasted. How many hundreds of thousands of dollars -- or millions -- are spent in Costco in August getting ready for this?"

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

No, it's true, I made the mistake of going to Trader Joes the weekend of Burning Man and it was as if a swarm of locusts had come in.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 21:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm gonna paint my dick purple this year, I swear.

sexyDancer, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
Funny anti-Burning Man screed:

http://blog.hisnameistimmy.com/?p=12

shookout (shookout), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm gonna paint my dick purple this year, I swear.

-- sexyDancer (jjjjjjjjjjjjj...), September 9th, 2004 12:42 AM. (link)

http://shopbilder.comonline.net/pics/pa/015/picx/603218.jpg

StanM (StanM), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

this thread is ugly and pathetic.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

this thread is ugly and pathetic.

Much in the same way that Burning Man is.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:56 (seventeen years ago) link

BM is a lot of things but I wouldn't call it "pathetic" - it requires too much commitment and resources to qualify as that.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:58 (seventeen years ago) link

most of the criticisms of burning man seem to be that the participants are lying to themselves, and there aren't many better ways to piss people off.

i don't know much about it, but it seems mostly uninteresting and mostly harmless. i think my sister's been at least once.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:02 (seventeen years ago) link

don't get me wrong a lot of stupid shit goes on out there and it is definitely permeated by kool-aid drinker cultist lingo, and it is often brutally difficult to survive in any kind of comfort in such a harsh environment. But all the people on this thread who have never been and were happy to pass judgment without bothering to have even the remotest sliver of accurate information at their disposal is just... blech. ILM at its snooty, mean-spirited finest.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

nothing that requires resources could be pathetic!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:04 (seventeen years ago) link

marshalling all the necessary resources to make Burning Man happen is a remarkably complex and difficult task, that's all I'm saying.

That blog post that revived this thread - that guy's a fucking moron who should've read up on where he was going before complaining so vociferously about alkali dust, heat, etc. He has no one to blame for his discomfort but himself.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Speaking as someone who loved going to Glastonury -- I went almost every year, 1992-98, I think -- I really did not enjoy Burning Man. The heat made me feel wretched (I can't stress enough how unbelivably hot it gets) and it's quite easy to get lost from your friends. Having said that, it's super-friendly, and not entirely full of wankers as you might expect. It's just too hot.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

as a phishhead, i'm well-familiar with the if-you-don't-go-you-don't-know perspective, but the people who go to this are almost entirely self-selected and thus automatically have at least some faith in the enterprise. therefore, perhaps they are less critical in perspective than the less-informed (and much larger) pool of people who don't go? and surely you can have at least a sliver of accurate information without going - you can hear/read reports of those who went, you can see pictures or video, etc. from what i've seen it looks sorta cool, if ultimately pointless, but the purpose seems a bit antithetical to me. if I want to venture into a beautiful environment, I want peace, silence, contemplation, etc. to the extent this is an artistic enterprise, it's in the wrong place, afaic. if I want to party, I'd rather do it somewhere more comfortable where I won't risk leaving a trace.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

But all the people on this thread who have never been

What makes you think we haven't been? Granted it was well over ten years ago, but the one most OTM thing in that blog post is this:

Whatever Burning Man supporters claim, know this, the event is a 24/7 bacchanal of booze, drugs, nudity, S&M, public sex, and bad art

Complaining about the heat at Burning Man is ridiculous though... Er, it's the FUCKING DESERT. I've done a lot of desert camping/hiking so it didn't bother me at all, but it seems like > 50% of the people didn't adequately prepare for it.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:12 (seventeen years ago) link

...I'd go again, if I could prepare for it better this time. But it is a lot of work, which sort of takes away from the "Wahey! Holiday!" aspect of it, if that's what you want.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess my annoyance with Burning Man in 2006 is that the sheer size of it dictates a lot of planning and removes much of the spontaneity which originally made it interesting. Now I don't see much difference between it and other cargo cult activities like the SCA, Civil War re-enactors, etc.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:17 (seventeen years ago) link

Elvis I was referring to all the people up-thread - jess, Spencer, Tep, gygax, etc.

Don't disagree that yes it is largely a 24/7 bacchanal of booze, drugs, nudity, S&M, public sex, and bad art. Altho I'd add the caveat that in a good year there is also a fair amount of good art, and the public sex isn't really all that public in most cases.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

"I'd rather do it somewhere more comfortable where I won't risk leaving a trace."

(uh you are aware that LEAVE NO TRACE is one of the central catchphrases of Burning Man...? You can find moments of contemplation and serenity out there for sure, you just have to walk a ways away from the rave camps)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:20 (seventeen years ago) link

"I guess my annoyance with Burning Man in 2006 is that the sheer size of it dictates a lot of planning and removes much of the spontaneity which originally made it interesting. Now I don't see much difference between it and other cargo cult activities like the SCA, Civil War re-enactors, etc."

I'm with you on this - I don't go anymore. The first year I went there was no layout, no map to get there, you could still get away with firearms and explosives, there was WAY better music, and all the raves were restricted to a rave camp 2 miles away from everything else.

Maybe I'll go back when I'm 75 if its still happening, just out of curiosity.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:22 (seventeen years ago) link

uh you are aware that LEAVE NO TRACE is one of the central catchphrases of Burning Man...?

i'm sure it is, and i'm guessing that there are many people who show up who have no interest in adhering to this, and that the people in charge can't entirely clean up after them. i'm also sure that however-many-thousand bodies and automobiles collecting in a place has an impact that doesn't disappear overnight even in a desert.

You can find moments of contemplation and serenity out there for sure, you just have to walk a ways away from the rave camps)

not anywhere i can see or hear rave camps

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:23 (seventeen years ago) link

it's like the rainbow family - we love the forest so much, man, let's bring in a clusterfuck of people/animals to tramp and cook and smoke all over it for a few days. they're kidding themselves.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh come on, Shakey, there's some funny shit in that blog (p.s. I've been twice and had a blast. I love drugs and I love to fuck hippie chicks):

"If there is anything worse than a pervert, it’s a self-righteous druggie pervert, dressed as a chipmunk, offering unsolicited fashion tips. If you want catty advice on how to dress from a crowd of Rocky Horror Picture Show rejects, Burning Man is for you."

"Any random collection of Toto and Yes album covers would contain better trippy art than all of Burning Man."

Funny!

shookout (shookout), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

the level of environmental impact is debatable but yr right the cleanup is a huge effort and a massive headache (not to mention the central driver of the expense of the event, along with all the permits and personnel the local govt and BLM slap the event with).

But one of the coolest things about it that I enjoyed is that the environment is SO extreme - there is literally nothing there but hard-packed dry-as-bone dirt that stretches for miles, its like being on an alien landscape in a lot of ways. Although I've been to Black Rock at non-Burning Man times so this impression was perhaps made more profoundly on me then... and yes this impression can be mediated and diluted by throngs of naked idiot ravers with their shitty music.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:29 (seventeen years ago) link

"Any random collection of Toto and Yes album covers would contain better trippy art than all of Burning Man."

Only if they were also FIFTY FEET TALL! Burning Man art is all about scale.

I didn't get all the way through that blog entry, when the dude started complaining about being tired from the heat and the dust I gave up (that's why everybody sleeps during the day there - get one clue)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:31 (seventeen years ago) link

right, I'd rather go any of the other days of the year when there aren't any other people around, especially people less respectful of the place.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:33 (seventeen years ago) link

The guy who lived the floor below me in Chicago went and it seriously changed his whole demeanor.

Prior to him going, he'd come up to our place, constantly remind us that he was older than us and we'd learn how to make wise decisions when we were his age (28 I think), make sure that we weren't going to be amking any noise after 10pm on a weeknight, wander in and out of my roomate's studios making negative comments on thier works-in-progress, and complain about the string of visitors coming and going from our place.

After BM, he was still constantly dropping by unnanounced, but instead it was just to make sure we all "felt good vibes" and to just check in to make sure we knew that "everything is cool now." Dude got seriously evangelical about how BM changed his life.

So, while I've never been, (and I used to spend hours looking at people's pitcures of BM on-line while I was a College Freshman in 1998, hoping and praying for the day I too could go) I'd say it's a draw.

researching ur life (grady), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:34 (seventeen years ago) link

no offense but your neighbor sounds like a bozo both before and after.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

my point exactly. its just that BM severly altered his method of bozo-ness.

researching ur life (grady), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

looking at pictures of BM - gross

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

I did lots of gross things when I was 18.

researching ur life (grady), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

do you examine your own BM?

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Butt Dickass to thread.

researching ur life (grady), Friday, 6 October 2006 19:57 (seventeen years ago) link

It gets everyone obnoxious out of town for a few days. CLASSIC.

-- Tep (te...) (webmail), August 11th, 2003 11:15 AM.

otm, btw

gear (gear), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

As someone who both went to Burning Man and spun dance music during the event, I'd like to give a healthy "fuck you" to all the haters. I stopped going too (my last year was 2001), but I still meet first-timers who had a blast and/or had their perspective changed by Burning Man.

Every year I went there were at least 3-4 art pieces that were truly mind-blowing. Sure, this isn't a great ratio, but who cares?

And as far as the "I hate raving partygoers/weirdos/hippies" crap, when did you all turn into reactionaries (this is where one of the assholes pipes in with '2001! No! 1997!")?

And really, the trick to avoiding the more beer-guzzling obnoxious side of Burning Man is to leave on Friday. The weekend DOES turn into something a little ugly and scary. If I hadn't gone with a theme camp (and had to clean it up on Sunday), I would have left early, for sure.

schwantz (schwantz), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link


Shakey Mo (and other non-haters) OTM, I went for the first time this year and loved it. I'll definately be going again. It wasn't that hot, although it depends on what you're used to, I guess. The beer-guzzling Yahoo aspect of it is a small part of it, likewise for the unwashed hippie-ness. It's mostly a big party in the desert, and the city rising out of the featureless plain is one of the most fantastic things about it. (OK, there's too much techno.)

And the blogger linked on the revive eventually said this:

UPDATE #2: It’s rather apparent from the comments that many readers did not understand the satircal nature of this review. This review contains a large component of satire.

For what that's worth. Apparently he was writing from a "character's" perspective rather than his own, and exagerated much of what he experienced.

nickn (nickn), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:42 (seventeen years ago) link

i, for one, amn't a hater. i love the desert.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

how do burners differ qualitatively from national forest off-road ATV'ers or Yellowstone snowmobilers? yes, it's BLM land, I know, but so is a lot of the best country in this country.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link


The terrain is left pretty much as it was when they leave, as I saw it on Monday. And they are really a lot friendlier than people partying in a park somewhere, in my experience. The clubs and bars are free.

nickn (nickn), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link

probably not by a lot, I'd wager, except that those Snowmobilers and off-road ATV types probably retire to cozy cabins with all the amenities when they're done for the day, whereas at BM you're REALLY roughing it (y'know, in a dust-covered tent staked down with rebar and your water in plastic cartons etc.)

In terms of how they treat the land, I'd venture that its true a lot of BMers seem to be rather careless about their commitment to "leaving no trace". The BM organization themselves, however, are uber-hardcore about it and tend to do a pretty phenomenal job of going over every inch of the playa and picking up cigarette butts, ashes, etc.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

people are super-friendly its true - everything runs on a barter economy (with perhaps drugs excepted as gygax pointed out), and people are generally aware that being helpful to their fellow attendees is in everybody's best interest.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I do have to admit that I kinda regret not going during the late-90s when dot.commies were spending GDP-sized wads of cash on the most outrageous encampments. Hanging Garden Of Bablyon on the playa, etc.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 7 October 2006 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link

In my "looking at burning man photos online at age 18" phase I remember seeing someone who rented a freezer truck and hosted parties inside of it. Definatley would have hit that up were there.

researching ur life (grady), Saturday, 7 October 2006 01:23 (seventeen years ago) link

ten months pass...

Premature combustion

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 00:50 (sixteen years ago) link

What kind of hippies call in The Man?

milo z, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 00:56 (sixteen years ago) link

This is his mug shot -

http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/4362/baburningmanburner104zh2.jpg

svend, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:36 (sixteen years ago) link

HERO

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:38 (sixteen years ago) link

They could just rename it this year and call it Burnt Man

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:39 (sixteen years ago) link

burning man is really the lamest thing i can think of

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:40 (sixteen years ago) link

Our grants manager is out this week because she's at burning man for the 5th year straight. She's a hoola hooper. Blech.

ENBB, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:41 (sixteen years ago) link

why?

xpost

chaki, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:42 (sixteen years ago) link

naked self righteous hippies, aweful art, radical self expression, dust, etc

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:46 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.damer.com/pictures/events/burningman99/people/Image34.jpg
NIGHTMARE VACATION

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 01:51 (sixteen years ago) link

I can think of a few lamer things.

U R HATAH

schwantz, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:01 (sixteen years ago) link

. "Everyone is looking at it this morning, this big black figure in the sky and that wasn't supposed to burn, saying 'Now what do we do?'"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:05 (sixteen years ago) link

no really it sounds so terrible to me

the desperate search for meaning in some indulgent desert bullshit is really sort of icky

at least thats the impression ive gotten from every attendee ive ever spoken with

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:06 (sixteen years ago) link

Where does a hyper-jaded cynical person like you ever come into contact with all these wide-eyed naifs? I gave my real take on Burning Man WAAAY upthread, so I won't repeat myself, but I think that you are (probably deliberately) getting a weirdly skewed take on the whole deal.

schwantz, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:21 (sixteen years ago) link

it was good drunk fun in the desert the one time i went. i can't understand the vitriol of someone who has never been.

jergïns, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Searching for meaning is like, so desperate.

schwantz, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:29 (sixteen years ago) link

Where does a hyper-jaded cynical person like you ever come into contact with all these wide-eyed naifs?

ha perfect! funny how closely radical inclusion, immediacy, civic responsibility, whatever; resembles bitter accusatory escapism.

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:32 (sixteen years ago) link

zing!...?

schwantz, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:34 (sixteen years ago) link

to answer yr question i can think of 5 people i know who are repeat attendees. and im sure ive talked to some others at parties or something.

the search for meaning isnt necessarily desperate, it's actually pretty much universally human. but in this case it does look pretty pitiful. sort of a christian rock concert vibe in it's aggressive abandonment of critical intelligence and intense devotion to concept.

as for the it's just a big party argument. im sure you could just go for the fun. but it seems most burning people do attach way more importance to the thing. most parties dont have manifestos.

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:40 (sixteen years ago) link

also i just have a really hard time w/hot dusty environments and loud freeeaaky people

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:43 (sixteen years ago) link

fair

jergïns, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:45 (sixteen years ago) link

Speaking of The Man

Wall Street executives at Burning Man? You bet. Though there’s nothing farther from the cutthroat, moneymaking world of Wall Street than the anticapitalist, anticorporate festival of radical self-expression known as Burning Man, we found several New York business executives and Wall Street types who are heading out West this week and staying through Labor Day. In the dusty, storm-ridden desert flatlands north of Reno, Nevada, is a place dubbed Black Rock City, home of the biggest little countercultural festival in the world.

“I first went out there in 2003 because a classmate from the Stanford Business School had an art project on the playa,” says a senior executive for a major Wall Street company, who asked not to be named. One of the main draws for him and most of the other 50,000 participants expected this year are the massive collaborative art projects, like last year’s giant Belgian Waffle or the 50-foot stick figure that gets torched at the end of the week—the burning man that gives the festival its name.

“That’s the attraction. You create something from nothing, it’s remarkable for a short period of time, and then it’s gone,” says the executive, whose own participation includes cooking gourmet meals and distributing them for free to the masses. Other attendees contribute three-dimensional creative works, all of which result in a temporary psychedelic city of art and theme camps on “the playa,” the ancient lakebed where the event is held.

The Stanford classmate in 2003 created a multimedia installation that paid tribute to the sun, with trapeze artists performing at sunset, music synchronized with the sunrise, and, thanks to the creative tinkering of a couple of Silicon Valley engineers, a sound system with light projections. “You could actually watch the sound emanating through the light across the playa.”

But this is hardly the first time business people have attended the festival. Past attendees from the business world include Amazon C.E.O. Jeff Bezos, Google co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin, and Google C.E.O. Eric Schmidt, among others.

Of course, because the nature of Burning Man is to leave all commercial trappings behind, the organizers of the event are loath to tally the number and type of professionals in attendance, although a spokeswoman noted that “we do have a large group coming for their corporate retreat this year. They are building an art project.”

And the business folks who go (albeit anonymously, in the spirit of the event) say they get something out of this nonhierarchical, open-society environment. “When I return, I think I’m a far better executive, in terms of innovation and creativity,” says the senior executive. “And each year that I come back, I’m better for it. I think my team and my company are better for it. I stay creative and expose myself to new ideas.”

Leslie Bucksor, a partner in a New York financial-consulting firm, and his wife, Cory, will be camping out with his business partner this year; this will be his 10th year on the playa. And he may do business, if the necessity arises. In 2002, Bucksor left the camp three times to work on patent applications at Bruno’s Casino and Country Club, a nearby desert dive. “If it’s the only way I can be there, I will do it,” Bucksor says. “It’s such an important experience for me.”

Leaving the playa is the only way to conduct business in this commercial-free zone. Cell-phone coverage and internet access are very limited, and there’s no commerce whatsoever. The mini-countercultural civilization survives on gift giving; even bartering is not allowed.

But if no cash changes hands on the playa, it certainly does ahead of time. Going to Burning Man is not cheap, with presale tickets starting at $195 and going up to $350 at the gate. Plus, attendees have a massive preparation list: food, water, tents, sleeping bags, glow-in-the-dark anything, bikes, and goggles and dust masks for surviving the dust storms. And more and more participants are stepping up the experience with decked-out R.V.’s and luxury camps equipped with extensive high-tech elements and semipermanent buildings.

James Okura, who runs his own art-production company, sets up an air-conditioned fake-fur-lined tent and tunnel system he calls the Geisha House. “We provide chilled sake in an office watercooler and Japanese snacks. Our motto is ‘You are your own geisha.’ ”

“People have definitely stepped it up for luxury,” says a hedge fund trader in his thirties, who’s going this year with some heavy hitters in media and finance. “This will be my first year going in an R.V.: The Four Seasons version of Burning Man.”

Newbies are in for an exercise in surviving in a very noncompetitive, open atmosphere—attributes that are exactly the opposite of the Wall Street and hedge fund worlds. It’s not for everyone.

“The Wall Street crowd at Burning Man is very small,” says the hedge fund trader. “I would not encourage anyone I work with to go. I see how people are in this business, and I would not trust them to engage the experience as it should be engaged.” He went for the first time in 2001 with friends from San Francisco.

The trader is afraid the playa will be polluted with what he refers to as the “aggressive indulgence that is part and parcel of New York City, particularly of those in high-powered, high-paying jobs.”

Such people may have the wrong idea about the festival. “People think it’s a big drug-sex thing out there when it’s really, really not,” the trader says. “It couldn’t be farther from the truth.”

Celebrities such as Sting, Courtney Cox, and Robin Williams have been known to go in previous years, but there are no V.I.P.’s at Burning Man, and that’s part of its appeal. “The Burning Man spirit,” says the trader. “I’ve seen it overwhelm people out there. If everybody went once, the world would be a cooler place.”

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:48 (sixteen years ago) link

it isn't nearly as dogmatic, in person, as you might imagine.

i should probably qualify all i say with "I went 10 years ago." i wonder how much it's changed.

jergïns, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Finally something that the hippie and the hedge fund trader can agree upon - the hopes that "aggressive indulgence" won't spoil the playa

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:50 (sixteen years ago) link

more like Earning Man these days amirite

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 02:52 (sixteen years ago) link

the hopes that "aggressive indulgence" won't spoil the playa

Don't hate the playa, hate the sunburn.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:00 (sixteen years ago) link

i should probably qualify all i say with "I went 10 years ago." i wonder how much it's changed.

Well apparently, the burning of the Burning Man takes place on Tuesdays now.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:05 (sixteen years ago) link

i like how he's being charged w/arson for burning the burning man

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:08 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.kqed.org/topics/local/gallery/images/sadstare345x549.jpg
whaaa the radical self-expression decommodification and immediacy was supposed to be on saturdaaay ;_;

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:13 (sixteen years ago) link

call the police

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:13 (sixteen years ago) link

burner dude i crown thee King 'That Guy'

tremendoid, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:15 (sixteen years ago) link

jhøshea u sound like a dik

chaki, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:17 (sixteen years ago) link

fu lol

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:21 (sixteen years ago) link

chaki likes it when people express themselves in a controlled, disciplined, tightly anarchic manner.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:30 (sixteen years ago) link

Sleepy Hippie: So how was the eclipse?
Wacky Hippie: THEY BURNED THE BURNING MAN LAST NIGHT!
Sleepy Hippie: Wow, that was some nap I took. I thought today was Tuesday!

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:33 (sixteen years ago) link

sleepy hippie otm

jhøshea, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 03:34 (sixteen years ago) link

The only other time I've seen the words 'the playa' used so much was in a Cormac McCarthy book.

badg, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 04:22 (sixteen years ago) link

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m312/KarenAK/BurningMonkVietnam1963.jpg

gabbneb, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 06:04 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.clusterflock.org/52107956_496c943a3a.jpg

gabbneb, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 06:05 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.monkfish-abbey.org/wp-content/images/monkfish_burning_man.jpg

gabbneb, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 06:06 (sixteen years ago) link

http://boingboing.net/images/naked-people-and-ship-xj.jpg

gabbneb, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 06:06 (sixteen years ago) link

I still love Shakey's "one of the central catchphrases"

gabbneb, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 06:11 (sixteen years ago) link

and only incidentally because it sounds like quoting from Chairman Mao

gabbneb, Wednesday, 29 August 2007 06:12 (sixteen years ago) link

Playa Suicide

A Burning Man participant was found dead this morning, hanging from the inside of a two-story high tent, according to Mark Pirtle, special agent in charge for the Bureau of Land Management.

The apparent suicide would be the festival's first in its 21 year history, Pirtle said.

Pershing County coroners are investigating the scene and preparing to remove the body. Pirtle said the man was hanging for two hours before anyone in the large tent thought to bring him down. "His friends thought he was doing an art piece," Pirtle said.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 31 August 2007 04:24 (sixteen years ago) link

three years pass...

do they light people on fire at this, or

markers, Wednesday, 1 September 2010 20:33 (thirteen years ago) link

roll call. my first year. who else went?

Milton Parker, Monday, 6 September 2010 21:13 (thirteen years ago) link

did it make you more or less misanthropic?

sarahel, Monday, 6 September 2010 21:18 (thirteen years ago) link

more like suggesting ban

am0n, Monday, 6 September 2010 21:24 (thirteen years ago) link

this is a pretty interesting thread. living in san francisco, my reactions were similar to the bile expressed at first: even though I liked the idea, the impression given by the most vocal supporters was always alienating, and it seemed that each year the window was closing at it skewed further towards one big rave

and basically -- it's all true, every single negative thing you hear and see about it, you will absolutely encounter there, and the ugly parts tend to be the loudest and therefore provide the first impressions. but at the periphery there are still those things that can only happen in that environment, and you can only really understand what they are by going.

the first three days were profoundly demoralizing. the cost of realizing a temporary autonomous zone that lets you do whatever the fuck you want is the horror of learning what the majority of other people get up to when they get to do whatever the fuck they want. but there was much more to the festival, quietly going on everywhere. and it is impossible to sum up for you, other than when a survivalist camping environment reaches the size of a small city, there is a very different social order at work. and you can compare it to the social order of the city you live in.

and as it went on the initial wave of depravity faded a bit. the people who'd shown up for the wrong reasons were dropping away as casualties. the partying had a different feel by friday -- once the dust storms started kicking in, with visibility often going down to about 30 feet, the only people still dancing were the ones who were prepared. there are 20 stories I could tell, but in that climate, even the hedonism gained a conscious, survivalist aspect.

it's as depressing as it is inspiring, and the frightening aspects are only going to keep getting louder. but there are still things that can only happen there, even now that this festival has reached 60,000 people.

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:31 (thirteen years ago) link

maybe a major difference between your experience and my experience, is that you actually enjoyed raves in the early 90s, and i didn't.

sarahel, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:33 (thirteen years ago) link

it was mixed, for every moment I felt somehow reassured by the fact the music has essentially remained in place since 1991-5, there were 20 moments when I felt really sad about it. the lack of diversity in what hits the loudest systems is one of the most depressing things about the festival.

we parked at the periphery for walk-out camping and pointed our tents outward, and I'll cop to it: the sound of 200-300 sound systems all merging into one kaledoscopic polyrhythmic soup bouncing off miles of flat desert & the mountains, combined with screaming and random extraneous art car / installation noises, it definitely helped that I found that sound to be truly beautiful. I wouldn't have wanted to be in the middle of it -- being too near to any one of the systems I lost interest, but as a wash it was my kind of thing

Milton Parker, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:49 (thirteen years ago) link

both times i went, we were near the border with the walk-out camping - being in the middle had absolutely no appeal

sarahel, Tuesday, 7 September 2010 00:51 (thirteen years ago) link

glad I went when I did. can't really fathom enjoying it nowadays

Dr. Lol Evans (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 7 September 2010 18:21 (thirteen years ago) link

one month passes...

Burning Man becomes a hot academic topic
A growing number of sociologists, business professors and theologians view the event's mix of hipsters, artisans, zany theme camps and outdoor art gallery as more than a party. They see fertile ground for research

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-burning-man-20101020,0,3074357.story

buzza, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 04:26 (thirteen years ago) link

Milton, sarahel, the music is my least favorite part of Burning Man. Other than dancing to Lee Burridge during a dust storm, nothing did it for me.

But getting lost at night on a bike with 1,200 meters of LED-lit balloons attached to the handlebars, that was pretty cool.

bike chain dust? (lukas), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 04:33 (thirteen years ago) link

when I figured out that stream of lights trailing through the sky was physically attached to a single bike, that one person could actually pilot... that was a good moment

cool you got to ride the bike

Milton Parker, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 08:28 (thirteen years ago) link

xp - the music didn't do anything for me either, except remind me of some mutant version of Las Vegas. I went 10 years ago, mind you, but i had recently read Learning from Las Vegas - so I wandered around Burning Man looking for examples of "ducks" and "decorated sheds" - that was when i wasn't helping fabricate explosives.

sarahel, Wednesday, 20 October 2010 08:55 (thirteen years ago) link

the awful awful music is one of the things that drove me away tbh

the first Asian legislator in our Nevada State Assembly (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 15:33 (thirteen years ago) link

what kind of music is there? hippie jams ?

thebingo2010 (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 15:43 (thirteen years ago) link

I wish. there is practically no live music. everything is just terrible terrible techno techno techno - and often at night, at any given moment in any given place you're caught between like 4 competing soundsystems, all blaring some combo of trance or house or whatever. drove me nuts.

the first Asian legislator in our Nevada State Assembly (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link

part of the problem is that the environment is so harsh anyone who brings anything like guitars/amps/synths/drums is totally just asking to have their equipment destroyed. so practically no one does it.

the first Asian legislator in our Nevada State Assembly (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 15:47 (thirteen years ago) link

ugh, my second worst nightmare behind hippie jams.

thebingo2010 (chrisv2010), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 15:48 (thirteen years ago) link

http://www.vimeo.com/11831845

bike chain dust? (lukas), Wednesday, 20 October 2010 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link

five months pass...

Wasn't Gordon Levitt's brother a part of this? He died some months ago.

Nathalie (stevienixed), Thursday, 31 March 2011 10:08 (thirteen years ago) link

four months pass...

i am kind of starting to "get" burning man

should i be worried

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:19 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark

http://www.fastcompany.com/1772223/burning-mans-big-plan-to-spread-its-values-throughout-the-urban-environment

Burning Man--that once-a-year sojourn to the Nevada desert--is much more than a hedonistic experiment in self-reliance, art, the sharing economy, and psychotropic drugs. It's also an event that has spawned a tight-knit worldwide community whose members have created a number of Burning Man-related organizations, including Burners Without Borders, Black Rock Solar, and the Black Rock Arts Foundation (a group that brings public art installations to cities). It's only fitting that the Burning Man community's latest do-gooder venture--the Burning Man Project--will work on revitalizing a down-and-out area of San Francisco, Burning Man's home city.

The project, which is largely funded by Burning Man parent organization Black Rock City, LLC, aims to use the 10 principles of Burning Man to change urban environments for the better. "The 10 principles of Burning Man are an observation of what happens when this culture gathers," explains Andie Grace, a PR representative for Burning Man. These principles include radical self-reliance, decommidification, civic responsibility, immediacy, participation, and gifting. How do these principles translate to the urban environment?
The first Burning Man Project effort will tackle the "civic participation" principle in the Central Market Street corridor of San Francisco, an area that borders the troubled Tenderloin district. Black Rock City, LLC just moved to the neighborhood this past May. "It's an area that's been pretty much boarded up for 20 years. We thought it was a place that could use some help and skills that the Burning Man community can bring to bear," says James Hanusa, an advisor for new initiatives at Burning Man.

The Burning Man Projec't's first grand plan is to turn Central Market into an arts and innovation district, complete with art walks and festivals, as well as pop-up retail stores and galleries (though there are no plans for a giant, flaming effigy). The organization is already in talks with the Mayor's Office of Economic Development about how to turn these ideas into reality. "The immediate idea is of cutting through systems haven't worked before for how to change an area," says Grace.

The Burning Man Project plans to spend the rest of the year on the Central Market project. But that's just the beginning. The project also envisions working on everything from a social enterprise program that teaches businesses how to employ the 10 principles (a la Toyota's Production System Support Center) to an educational program that offers certificates in dispute resolution and leadership training.

Burning Man certainly can't single-handedly transform a depressed neighborhood into a flourishing one. But the organization's influence will make the area more lively (if not more crazy), and probably revitalize local businesses in the process. And if it works in San Francisco, there's no reason why Burning Man's values can't be used to spruce up suffering neighborhoods in other cities that believe a yearly party in the desert may have something to teach them, though those cities may be few and far between.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 9 August 2011 16:19 (twelve years ago) link

Central Market is where out-of-town dealers get off BART and sell crack/smack/meth to homeless/near-homeless people, so good luck guys

Richard Nixon's Field of Warmth (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 16:53 (twelve years ago) link

to an educational program that offers certificates in dispute resolution and leadership training.

the drug dealers and their customers could really use this imo

ducktails of captain black (sarahel), Tuesday, 9 August 2011 16:57 (twelve years ago) link

four weeks pass...

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6084/6123115607_04d4556c63.jpg

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6209/6123674395_a1875484f8_z.jpg

Not sure when kickoff is. Can't get any reception here.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:15 (twelve years ago) link

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6198/6124127188_672e6f615f_z.jpg

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:16 (twelve years ago) link

Aaaaannnnnd…

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6072/6123108825_f14eac7183_z.jpg

It's the "I Wish These Were Brains" lady, 15 years later!

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:17 (twelve years ago) link

wait are you at burning man? if you aren't, can i just imagine it for a minute?

runaway (Matt P), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:18 (twelve years ago) link

that kid has amazing hair

geeta, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:19 (twelve years ago) link

My girlfriend has expressed interest in attending in the future. I have resolved to check with Douglas Wolk in detail first.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:19 (twelve years ago) link

holy shit, is that a stuffed crab

runaway (Matt P), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:29 (twelve years ago) link

And you too can have crabs after you get stuffed...at Burning Man!

kkvgz, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

well yes. i was going to make a stuffed crab joke. then i looked more closely at that picture of VD lagoon and THERE IS ACTUALLY A STUFFED CRAB IN THERE.

runaway (Matt P), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

"VD Lagoon" XD

kkvgz, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

next to dude with ravepants and cowboy hat

runaway (Matt P), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:34 (twelve years ago) link

oh that guy.

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:35 (twelve years ago) link

I don't get the "bi-racial" one. They're both supposed to be rabbits, right?

kkvgz, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:37 (twelve years ago) link

Oh wait, they're wearing each other's parts from two separate bunny costumes.

kkvgz, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link

I get it.

kkvgz, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link

That one was pretty close to being i don't care if you're black, white, purple

Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:44 (twelve years ago) link

man really does not look like fun anymore

I can feel it in my spiritual hat (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 7 September 2011 18:56 (twelve years ago) link

five months pass...

And the obligatory...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhsePT97aIs

Stockhausen's Ekranoplan Quartet (Elvis Telecom), Monday, 20 February 2012 05:52 (twelve years ago) link

six months pass...

lol

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Friday, 31 August 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link

is that a lol about something specific or did u just look out the window while daydreaming and think 'lol burning man'

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 31 August 2012 15:32 (eleven years ago) link

like has someone accidentally self-immolated at burning man whilst attempting to firebreathe in syncopation with a skrillex track

Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Friday, 31 August 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link

No, it's just going on now and it's just lol in my opinion. I can think of very few places I'd less want to be at less.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Friday, 31 August 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link

I'm not sure that sentence made sense but you know what I mean.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Friday, 31 August 2012 15:38 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.ustream.tv/burningman

○ (gr8080), Friday, 31 August 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link

really looking forward to the inevitable drowning-in-a-sea-of-shit deaths of all those seasteading assholes, I must say

chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 31 August 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link

You know, every couple of years I think back to this thread and how someone like Geeta recommends it and I think, hmm maybe... And then:
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/09/burning-man-2012/100363/

Spencer Chow, Monday, 3 September 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link

I dunno, some of those photos are really beautiful and almost make me want to go. Almost but not quite.

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Monday, 3 September 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link

Mountain Spirit (left) and Shooting Star, their Playa names, dance in the desert during Burning Man 2012, on September 1, 2012.

○ (gr8080), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:07 (eleven years ago) link

The Samurais dance at sunrise in the Black Rock Desert of Nevada, on August 31, 2012.

○ (gr8080), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:10 (eleven years ago) link

Eric Yttri plays a flaming tuba in the Black Rock Desert of Nevada, on August 30, 2012.

○ (gr8080), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:11 (eleven years ago) link

Hallie McConlogue stays cool, partially submerged in a fishbowl helmet, during Burning Man 2012, on August 31, 2012.

○ (gr8080), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:12 (eleven years ago) link

Art car "The Sperminator" cruises the Playa, on August 31, 2012.

○ (gr8080), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:12 (eleven years ago) link

Two men bare-knuckle fight in the Thunder Dome during Burning Man 2012, on August 31, 2012.

○ (gr8080), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link

A man with the Playa name "Shaft" rides his bicycle in the Unicorn Stampede, on August 29, 2012.

○ (gr8080), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:14 (eleven years ago) link

I am just not that into watching thousands of people exhibit their fantasies to one another.

Aimless, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link

Mountain Spirit (left) and Shooting Star, their Playa names

http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/sick/throw-up.gif

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:22 (eleven years ago) link

I am being mean. If this is what floats their boats then more power to them. I will, however, reserve the right to rme a little because c'mon now.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link

haha I just realized that they meant the actual word "playa" and not the in-vogue mispronunciation of "player"

or... DID THEY?????????

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link

Ask Kitten, she would know.

Aimless, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link

I am terrified to look at these pictures because I may know ppl in them

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link

lol iirc playa is what they call the area on which the event is held so it means their names while in that space. It's a lot funnier when read the other way though.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link

They all appear to be vagrants or else trustfund babies.

Aimless, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:39 (eleven years ago) link

one of my roommates is into this but this year she just went to a "burning log" which i guess is a local splinter for people who don't have $400 or whatever to spend on going to a party

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 18:58 (eleven years ago) link

playa is a geological/geographic term guys

chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 19:02 (eleven years ago) link

which is why i said it was the area on which the event is held

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link

xp to Shakey Mo

As DJP so aptly pointed out, it's a double bonus word. Except it is not known whether the playa-on-words was intentional.

Aimless, Tuesday, 4 September 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link

Shakey, what part of "oh right, they meant the real actual word" made you think I didn't know what a playa is?

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link

lol

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link

geography, guys.

○ (gr8080), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link

I hope at the end of a burning log gathering they actually all watch a single log burn

your native bacon (mh), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link

haha that's exactly what I was thinking! I mean because it just sounds a little sad. They should just call it a campfire party or something new altogether.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link

don't really get why you'd do this when you could, i dunno, just go off camping in the desert with your friends

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 4 September 2012 23:49 (eleven years ago) link

yeah rilly the same thing basically

http://i.imgur.com/fcUAa.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OkHGn.jpg

○ (gr8080), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 01:02 (eleven years ago) link

ha, otm.

being a west coaster I have many friends who are there right now but I totally understand the eye rolling. I have never been, and am not really into the whole culture of "transgression" via recycled Re/Search motifs. but there sure is some cool shit to see out there on the playa.

when people roll back into town after this the cars are covered in this telltale superfine alkaline dust, it never quite goes away.

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 01:15 (eleven years ago) link

God yeah that stuff is like, idk, talcum powder. we had friends who would come camping with us a few weeks after Burning Man every year, and their tents looked like ancient relics, lol.

I've never been but def is kind of a West Coast 'shrug, lol art hippies' thing. I love all the creativity though! Like, some of the cars people rig up are amazing.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 01:34 (eleven years ago) link

ok full disclosure, i haven't been in over a decade (too late to be all cooler-than-thou about it, there were already 20000+ people a year by the time i made it, certainly not too early to have people going "well it *used* to be good" etc etc) but in my era, and from what i've heard from san fran types who still go, or still have friends who go - it's still a good time. a pretty crazy party. hell, the party of the year! mardi gras for the city of artists hippies fags and hackers that is san francisco, and anyone else around the world who thinks that sounds like a party worth traveling 3000 miles to.

i mean, sure, there's a certain amount of TAZtalk and blathering about organic societies and what not, in part because it's actually, to an extent, true. but most people are just getting naked, taking all the drugs they've been saving up all year for this one holiday weekend at once, and unleashing their various art projects on the world. many of which are flammable. it is difficult fun. you're in the desert. nothing is on sale, even water. ok, coffe, coffee is on sale. but that's it. it's mainly byod. and there are more geeks, goths, ravers, & industrial types than hippies, and there are more hard-to-pigeonhole eccentrics than there are all of the above combined. all this "dirty hippies, bleh!" is blah blah blah from the mouths of people too uptight to go.

one of the biggest DUDs of all time. I should note that I haven't been, but every thing I've ever heard about it makes me cringe.

People I know and like really love this and swear by it and always try to tell me how amazing an event it is, but they're all new-age hippies retards, so I'm gonna say dud, even though I personally know absolutely nothing about it and am too lazy/too hip to bother learning.

This is one of the few times where I can't stop myself from judging something by the people who like it; the people I know and have known who go to Burning Man are among the most loathsome, flaky, obnoxious, insulated, sheltered, spoiled, and flat-out stupid people I've met (I'm talking almost exclusively about northeasterners, if there's a significant difference). It isn't possible for me to separate out my utter contempt for them from my impression of Burning Man, even if it should be. If I miss out on a big zoomy zeitgeist-a-go-go as a result, I'll live with that.

"dude, we can buy some really great soap and maybe some bracelets" <-doesn't have to say he's never been

i can honestly say i'm totally glad these people didn't go. this is exactly the kind of lame excuses my friend made to talk us out of going one year. then me and my bud moved to s.f., we went cause everyone said it was awesome, and they were right.

http://galleries.burningman.com/photos/Portaplaya/Portaplaya.44929?mediatype=photo#pastheader

when you're there, and in the mood to have fun, this is the kind of stuff you notice, wandering around the desert high as a kite. also, *everyone* is totally in the mood to get laid.

so, classic. i'll accept "dud" from someone who's actually been, and agree to disagree; certainly it's a far from perfect event. but the rest of you? pssht. you deserve to never go.

messiahwannabe, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 06:07 (eleven years ago) link

also, :

http://www.ifc.com/malcolm-in-the-middle/videos/malcolm-in-the-middle-burning-man

messiahwannabe, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 06:09 (eleven years ago) link

one of my roommates is into this but this year she just went to a "burning log" which i guess is a local splinter for people who don't have $400 or whatever to spend on going to a party

― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, September 4, 2012 6:58 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I went to what I think was described as "Burning Man East" back in 1999. It boiled down to an overnight beach bonfire here. There were probably about 40 people in attendance. The next campsite over was a group of boy scouts. It was a decent bonfire with some good people. There weren't any cool art projects or anything though and it was too cold that night for any awesome nudity.

I wouldn't go to anything the size of what Burning Man is today, but just based on the people I know who have gone, I'd feel at ease with at least some of the crowd. I wish I had headed out there a couple times in the 1990s instead of doing Phish tour.

how's life, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 08:42 (eleven years ago) link

i think this thing's less interesting to tucsonans because we already have +100 degree summers and hippies and entire blocks devoted to warehouses filled with weird sculptures.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 18:14 (eleven years ago) link

messiahwannabe mostly OTM I think even if I have no interest in ever going again. too many people/too much raving.

chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link

BURNING MAN ALASKA 2012 - or is that just wicker man

Sweet Yin Yang ☯ (Latham Green), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 18:18 (eleven years ago) link

An ex-gf of mine went this year. Over the past few years, these have turned into her people. Which is fine, I guess. More power to them all. But you wouldn't catch me within a hundred miles of this shit.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 18:21 (eleven years ago) link

a friend of mine has worked for BM for over a decade now and it's been interesting to hear her behind-the-scenes take on the organization and the event itself and how things have grown and changed. long story short - when the men were in charge things were wild, dangerous, unplanned, etc. as the event grew in size and the women in the organization took over, things have become much more regulated, restricted, well-organized, etc. which was probably required by the event's scaling-up. even so I basically have no interest in an event that involves this many people, no matter what it is.

chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link

Burning Man, LLC?

Aimless, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link

Black Rock City LLC

chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link

also, *everyone* is totally in the mood to get laid.

This sounds amazing until you realize there's a possibility you'd be the odd one out. Then it sounds like the most treacherous thing ever.

Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 18:36 (eleven years ago) link

xp It's the LLC that really matters.

Aimless, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 18:37 (eleven years ago) link

also, *everyone* is totally in the mood to get laid.

Burning Sensation Man

kate78, Wednesday, 5 September 2012 18:43 (eleven years ago) link

lol

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 18:47 (eleven years ago) link

it does have a gross MTV-spring-break-for-nerds sorta vibe to it

I never got laid there fwiw (well, apart from the couple years I went with my gf)

chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link

spring break on bad acid

(REAL NAME) (m coleman), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link

SF is never better than it is the week all the burners are gone.

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link

"Burning Person"

Sweet Yin Yang ☯ (Latham Green), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link

SF is never better than it is the week all the burners are gone.

so true. plentiful parking! parks and museums and movie theaters and shows! bars/restaurants free of jerks!

chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/09/the-best-craigslist-missed-connections-from-burning-man/262004/

You may of been my true-love-prince! - w4m - 24

I, was wearing purple polka-dotted crotchless panties, yellow fuzzy tap dancing shoes and rainbow knee-high socks with swirly peace signs. On my tits, I had disco pasties. I have sicc multi-colored dreads.

You, had a green goatee, and no pants. A cow patterned blazer, No shirt. Sicc tatts.

I saw you hula'n on the multi-colored flying dragon art-car as I was riding my TIGHT cruzer thru da sicc playa dust.

We made eye-contact and never saw each again! Hope the universe brings us together. Namaste.

P.s. my name is Raven.

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link

da sicc playa dust

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 19:46 (eleven years ago) link

"We made eye-contact and never saw each again! Hope the universe brings us together. Namaste."

Hope I can remain in a marajuana haz efor life yo

Sweet Yin Yang ☯ (Latham Green), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 20:25 (eleven years ago) link

when you're there, and in the mood to have fun, this is the kind of stuff you notice, wandering around the desert high as a kite. also, *everyone* is totally in the mood to get laid.

No fooling, this, in a bare wide powdery desert in 289752895 degree heat, sounds liek the worst fucking hell I could imagine. I cannot fathom this being an enjoyable idea. It sounds like some hunter s thompsonesque nightmare to me.

frances boredom coconut (Trayce), Wednesday, 5 September 2012 23:32 (eleven years ago) link

maybe because his coverage of the mint motorcycle race was in the nevada desert and burning man is in the nevada desert?

your native bacon (mh), Thursday, 6 September 2012 00:19 (eleven years ago) link

Well, obviously.

frances boredom coconut (Trayce), Thursday, 6 September 2012 04:48 (eleven years ago) link

when you're there, and in the mood to have fun, this is the kind of stuff you notice, wandering around the desert high as a kite. also, *everyone* is totally in the mood to get laid.

This sounds amazing until you realize there's a possibility you'd be the odd one out. Then it sounds like the most treacherous thing ever.

i was the odd one out more than once, didn't keep me from having fun there! it was just kinda in the air (cue obvious smelly genitals joke). it's a good party. it's intense. it's unlike anything else i've ever done. there were plenty of intensely crappy parts ("bare wide powdery desert in 289752895 degree heat" is a real thing you have to deal with) that were outweighed by the intensely fun parts. maybe a bit like an acid trip?

once again: i feel like so far on here, pretty much everyone who's had something bad to say about it has never actually been.

You may of been my true-love-prince! - w4m - 24

I, was wearing purple polka-dotted crotchless panties, yellow fuzzy tap dancing shoes and rainbow knee-high socks with swirly peace signs. On my tits, I had disco pasties. I have sicc multi-colored dreads.

You, had a green goatee, and no pants. A cow patterned blazer, No shirt. Sicc tatts.

I saw you hula'n on the multi-colored flying dragon art-car as I was riding my TIGHT cruzer thru da sicc playa dust.

We made eye-contact and never saw each again! Hope the universe brings us together. Namaste.

P.s. my name is Raven.

i could be wrong but this strikes me as possibly a joke? possibly by an actual burning man participant - i'll give you some of the details are pretty spot on, people do kinda dress like that there, but the "TIGHT cruzer thru da sicc playa dust, namaste" just sounds like parody.

messiahwannabe, Thursday, 6 September 2012 05:12 (eleven years ago) link

whether it's real or not, I enjoyed it

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Thursday, 6 September 2012 06:31 (eleven years ago) link

i grudgingly admit it was funny

messiahwannabe, Thursday, 6 September 2012 06:43 (eleven years ago) link

have they really increased their ticket prices $100 over two years? in a recession?

thomp, Thursday, 6 September 2012 11:01 (eleven years ago) link

okay technically not 'in a recession' i need coffee

thomp, Thursday, 6 September 2012 11:01 (eleven years ago) link

considering it sells out every year and the local authorities raise their rates/fees every year why would that be unsurprising

chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 6 September 2012 15:38 (eleven years ago) link

er surprising

chicago rap twitter luminary (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 6 September 2012 15:38 (eleven years ago) link

"You were there reeking of patchouili and human stink. I rubbed mud on my belly and did an interpretive ritualdance. Hopeing we can try to eat plants we find in the forest one day"

that should be one

Brony 4 Life (Latham Green), Thursday, 6 September 2012 15:49 (eleven years ago) link

"We were both tripping balls and you were filled with white light. Call me"

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 6 September 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link

"You had James Brown tattooed on your anus>"

Brony 4 Life (Latham Green), Thursday, 6 September 2012 16:06 (eleven years ago) link

My current place of employment allowed some of my more favored co-workers to go to Burning Man for the week, paid...and then also gave them this week off to recover.

I really need a new job.

/\ /\ Delete post (admrl), Friday, 7 September 2012 14:04 (eleven years ago) link

left out the funniest part of that missed connection which is the last line:

p.p.s we saw each other at burning man.

a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Friday, 7 September 2012 14:27 (eleven years ago) link

were do you woerk

Brony 4 Life (Latham Green), Friday, 7 September 2012 15:45 (eleven years ago) link

Hmmmmm. If someone else was footing the bill and giving me an additional week off during which to recover I might very well be singing a different tune and already thinking about where to order my purple crotchless panties from for next year's event.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Friday, 7 September 2012 15:49 (eleven years ago) link

My current place of employment allowed some of my more favored co-workers to go to Burning Man for the week, paid...and then also gave them this week off to recover.

I really need a new job.

― /\ /\ Delete post (admrl), Friday, September 7, 2012 2:04 PM (2 hours ago)

this sounds fucked up

you should petition them for recognition of your own chosen festival of holistic meaningfulness + setting fire to things

ask morbs if he is better off than he was 4 days ago (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 7 September 2012 16:53 (eleven years ago) link

going to burning man with my co workers seems likea circel of hell

Brony 4 Life (Latham Green), Friday, 7 September 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link

One of my coworkers went a couple years ago with his brother. Their other brother had died the prior year from a freak accident, and it was kind of a bonding thing. The brother had a mutant vehicle repair shop with welding tools.

Hearing a pretty straightlaced 50-something guy talk about Burning Man was cool

your naïve bacon (mh), Friday, 7 September 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link

that's p cool

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 September 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link

they must all literally be burned by the desert sun on their saggy flesh

Brony 4 Life (Latham Green), Friday, 7 September 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link

I dunno, if one of my siblings had died in a freak accident, I might be inclined to stay away from freaks.

pplains, Friday, 7 September 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link

boom

ask morbs if he is better off than he was 4 days ago (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 7 September 2012 19:33 (eleven years ago) link

i went to this...it was really fun

hardhouse banter (tpp), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 10:23 (eleven years ago) link

don't understand why it seems to generate so much hate from ppl who haven't been. it was one of the most civilized events i've ever been to. i'll take a few naked hippies who act respectfully towards each other & the environment over yr standard uk festival crowd who seem to take pleasure shitting everywhere except the fucking toilet any day.

went to so many fun camps & saw a lot of great djs & sunrise at the disco knights camp was probably the best party i've ever been to.

probably my weirdest moment was when ruby wax knocked on the door of our rv

hardhouse banter (tpp), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 10:33 (eleven years ago) link

I don't think critics are necessarily fans of huge music festivals, either.

Assuming you are limiting to large scale activities with camping when you say "most civilized events."

your naïve bacon (mh), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 11:51 (eleven years ago) link

i was gonna say "most civilized music festival" but it's not technically a music festival so idk.

almost everyone i've talked to who hasn't been is a critic whether they are a fan of music festivals or not.

hardhouse banter (tpp), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 12:15 (eleven years ago) link

no nude hippies for me please

Brony 4 Life (Latham Green), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 13:40 (eleven years ago) link

most civilized temporary autonomous zone

your naïve bacon (mh), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 13:43 (eleven years ago) link

Burning Man would have appealed to me a lot more when I was 19 and single

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 13:49 (eleven years ago) link

after a burning man experience many have "burning crotch"

Brony 4 Life (Latham Green), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 13:55 (eleven years ago) link

Burning Man would have appealed to me a lot more when I was 19 and single

I was really grandma-esque even at 19 so any event where I would have to spend time camping out in a field would not be appealing to me.

NR’s resident heavy-metal expert (Nicole), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 14:02 (eleven years ago) link

no toilet is a deal killer anywhere

Brony 4 Life (Latham Green), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 14:21 (eleven years ago) link

there are toilets at burning man and they are pretty decent

hardhouse banter (tpp), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 14:22 (eleven years ago) link

I don't believe you - show evidence - i want an iSniff

Brony 4 Life (Latham Green), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 14:32 (eleven years ago) link

ew

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 14:33 (eleven years ago) link

"
TOILETS
IF IT WASN'T MADE BY YOUR BODY, DON'T PUT IT IN THE POTTY!

Portable toilets will be provided, and will be emptied regularly. Use these facilities only for their intended purpose - not for dumping garbage or your personal potty bags. Putting anything but human waste and one-ply toilet paper (2-ply is a BIG no-no) into the portable toilets makes pumping nearly impossible and threatens the survival of the Burning Man event. This includes tampons, trash, and handy wipes. Read it again: NO TAMPONS, TRASH OR HANDY WIPES in the portable toilets. THIS MEANS YOU!! Put the lid down when you're done - it helps keep odors under control. Do not dump grey water or bags from your personal "potty" in the portables rented for participant use: doing so will fill them up much faster than normal and result in nasty toilets for all. For tips on dealing conscientiously with your grey water, see grey water disposal in the Preparation section.

Our toilet vendor works very hard to keep us all happy. Clean toilets are mandatory from a public health standpoint. Follow the guidelines above and you'll find the toilets cleaned frequently and efficiently.

Please do not defecate on the playa; it is an illegal act and unpleasant mess for everyone, especially for those who restore the playa after the event.
"

Brony 4 Life (Latham Green), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 14:33 (eleven years ago) link

"Please do not defecate on the playa;" is this short for "player" like a person or do they mean the general grounds?

Brony 4 Life (Latham Green), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.seduction-chronicles.net/images/badboy_pua.jpg

"Please do not defecate on the playa;"

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 14:37 (eleven years ago) link

best festival toilets ime

hardhouse banter (tpp), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 14:42 (eleven years ago) link

lol DJP

they should have a festival of toilets - Best Tiolets - like Bestival - Toiletestival

Brony 4 Life (Latham Green), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 14:51 (eleven years ago) link

fun camps

buzza, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 14:55 (eleven years ago) link

"grey water"

pplains, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 15:11 (eleven years ago) link

"Old grey water keep on flowing - Mississispi moon wont you keep on shitting on me"

Brony 4 Life (Latham Green), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 15:24 (eleven years ago) link

'grey water' is a thing

thomp, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greywater

Greywater is wastewater generated from domestic activities such as laundry, dishwashing, and bathing, which can be recycled on-site for uses such as landscape irrigation and constructed wetlands. Greywater differs from water from the toilets which is designated sewage or blackwater to indicate it contains human waste.

thomp, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link

DEAL QWITH IT

Brony 4 Life (Latham Green), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link

ilxor d. wolk goes every year and i really wish i could post the picture he put on his facebook of him there cuz he looks awesome and sci-fi but i don't want to be rude.

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link

you should petition them for recognition of your own chosen festival of holistic meaningfulness + setting fire to things

― ask morbs if he is better off than he was 4 days ago (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, September 7, 2012 11:53 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Asking my work for an all expenses paid month off for Gathering of the Juggalos.

Moodles, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 15:40 (eleven years ago) link

i think it seems kinda cool if you are into it. i am not into extreme heat and dust, so its not for me. i watched that documentary on netflix and you could definitely see the appeal for people.

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link

"Burn the huge Toilet" - a tidy bowl cake you can actually eat

Brony 4 Life (Latham Green), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link

yr standard uk festival crowd who seem to take pleasure shitting everywhere except the fucking toilet any day.

How I earnt my display name iirc. Glastonbury '98 - that was me.

Colonel Poo, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 15:47 (eleven years ago) link

lotta ridiculous confusion over totally legit terminology itt

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 15:56 (eleven years ago) link

sicc playa dust is the best band name though. you gotta admit.

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 16:04 (eleven years ago) link

Sicc Playa Dust sounds like a completely legitimite ICP side-project, actually.

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link

product you buy on the drug bridge at their festival, iirc

your naïve bacon (mh), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link

lotta ridiculous confusion over totally legit terminology itt

play on, playa

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link

wait so no one here is talking about this atrocity yet?

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/09/burning-man-attendee-taking-ecstasy.html

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link

'90% of people insulting person in article on internet are less appealing than original apparently unappealing person'

thomp, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link

well wow

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link

hi dere
http://i.imgur.com/g7RKg.jpg

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 21:06 (eleven years ago) link

whoa! tbh i'm impressed by that

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link

not impressed at the word "monogamish"

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 21:13 (eleven years ago) link

sex diarists are the most disgusting savages

omar little, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link

I know that sexual freedom is part of the Burning Man package but there's something incredibly hilarious about the "did the dishes, put a penis in my vagina, read a book" pacing

DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 21:15 (eleven years ago) link

hahaaaa

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link

watching the burning man documentary i kept thinking man that is a LOT of electricity to cart out to a desert. like vegas for vegans.

scott seward, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 21:33 (eleven years ago) link

lot of gas, trash, food, and water too. it is not even remotely "sustainable"

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 21:41 (eleven years ago) link

that aerial shot is dope tho

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 21:42 (eleven years ago) link

Hey, if they're dropping hippies into the playa from airplanes, I'm all for it.

pplains, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 21:43 (eleven years ago) link

...like vegas for vegans.

Bacon is the official food of Burning Man. (Tecate the official beer.)

nickn, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link

omar otm.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 22:17 (eleven years ago) link

Isn't that sex diary column a running fiction piece? It's like that every time.

your naïve bacon (mh), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 22:49 (eleven years ago) link

..and accordingly, every time a bunch of people feel its realistic fiction style is either creepy or inauthentic. It's a classic troll.

your naïve bacon (mh), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 22:50 (eleven years ago) link

haha yeah they all have the same author. ooooops

thomp, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 22:52 (eleven years ago) link

the "author" tasks a different "normal new yorker" each week with doing the cataloging iirc

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link

o rly? the author is some relatively well-known "I'm so sex-positive my vagina fly atta you face" columnist, iirc

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 23:44 (eleven years ago) link

oh maybe i'm confusing it w/ a different column that had the same vibe? i dunno.

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 23:50 (eleven years ago) link

yeah I'm pretty sure it's satirical fiction

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 23:52 (eleven years ago) link

Uh, I doubt it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Kramer_Bussel

but I think Gr80 is correct -- this is an "as told to" kind of deal with different people featured every week. It's pretty clear if you look at the archives

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 23:54 (eleven years ago) link

I guess. It's always in first person, so hard to tell.

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 00:01 (eleven years ago) link

Jealousy triumphs over sexual liberation in the end.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 00:01 (eleven years ago) link

the williamsburg one is nowhere near as bad as the burning man one

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 00:02 (eleven years ago) link

then again, I took a creative nonfiction class in college, so by that rubric... maybe I'll go with fictionalized and only partially self-aware

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 00:05 (eleven years ago) link

i love being right

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 00:17 (eleven years ago) link

do you ever yell "man, I love being a gr80"

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 00:20 (eleven years ago) link

no.

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 00:21 (eleven years ago) link

i def admire how they just light everything on fire, and most of the art is better off that way, sicc burn

lag∞n, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 00:49 (eleven years ago) link

can i just
http://i.imgur.com/RBHnV.jpg

❏❐❑❒ (gr8080), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 01:05 (eleven years ago) link

YMCA reimagined as though the "M" was for "Mongol"

look at this quarterstaff (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 01:09 (eleven years ago) link

livin the dream these people

lag∞n, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 01:11 (eleven years ago) link

sicc on la playa

lag∞n, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 01:12 (eleven years ago) link

how much money gets spent on this motherfucker my god, and time

lag∞n, Wednesday, 12 September 2012 01:12 (eleven years ago) link

the burning of things in the middle of the desert is probably the biggest selling point for me personally #pyro

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 12 September 2012 02:00 (eleven years ago) link

the burning of things in the middle of the desert is probably the biggest selling point for me personally #pyro

Try to get an invite for Desert Blast... According to their site (http://www.desertblast.net) it's returning in 2013!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ5y3pLos-g

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 13 September 2012 08:37 (eleven years ago) link

blog post by ralph lawson that could be useful for any uk ppl who have ever considered going:

http://www.ralphlawson.co.uk/blog/2012/9/13/burning-man.html

hardhouse banter (tpp), Friday, 14 September 2012 11:06 (eleven years ago) link

'money quote: "he's still not the highest one there"'

messiahwannabe, Monday, 17 September 2012 06:23 (eleven years ago) link

2:35 and 3:15
http://gawker.com/5947105/this-is-the-worst-thing-in-the-entire-universe

Spencer Chow, Friday, 28 September 2012 07:24 (eleven years ago) link

my friend who went to burning man said they pack everything out, not sure if i believe that

the late great, Friday, 28 September 2012 07:35 (eleven years ago) link

those last few pics look like something from a jodorowsky

suare, Friday, 28 September 2012 09:12 (eleven years ago) link

I don't get why the wedding vid is in this thread but HOLY SHIT that's awful. I just watched it with my mouth hanging open. I'd die if I went to a reception where that was shown. I'm not good at stifling inappropriate laughter. I'd have to excuse myself.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Friday, 28 September 2012 11:16 (eleven years ago) link

Because the times Spencer noted have burning man pictures!

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Friday, 28 September 2012 12:39 (eleven years ago) link

I couldn't bear to watch any more of it so didn't see those points.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Friday, 28 September 2012 13:05 (eleven years ago) link

Max and Spencer are the worst things in the entire universe.

pplains, Friday, 28 September 2012 14:53 (eleven years ago) link

beats the shit out of john lewis.

die face down in some dude's pool (how's life), Friday, 28 September 2012 15:06 (eleven years ago) link

'macchiatos in the hood'

am0n, Friday, 28 September 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link

it just kept going and going

sarahell, Friday, 28 September 2012 15:13 (eleven years ago) link

she should hook up with this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STH0BXSDV5s

am0n, Friday, 28 September 2012 15:22 (eleven years ago) link

WHY on earth is it so LONG!!!!???!!

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 28 September 2012 16:20 (eleven years ago) link

as awful as the video is, I don't think I could be anything other than totally jazzed if my bride made it for me

has important things to say about gangnam style (Hurting 2), Friday, 28 September 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link

I would be like, "jesus christ, I thought I was marrying a totally different person, not a musical theater actor" and leave home

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Friday, 28 September 2012 16:32 (eleven years ago) link

The internet is so hateful. A hall of mirrors just laughing at itself.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 28 September 2012 16:40 (eleven years ago) link

kind of amused at people reacting badly to this versus the videos of wedding parties marching down the aisle to pop songs

like, making a heartfelt thing like this that's not a centerpiece of anything is a lot less cringeworthy than getting a few years down the road and realizing you looked like a jackass to the tune of the Black Eyed Peas

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Friday, 28 September 2012 16:43 (eleven years ago) link

Those are bad too.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Friday, 28 September 2012 16:46 (eleven years ago) link

well it was tweeted by her to HuffPost weddings so, I mean...it's nice that she loves her dude so much that she sang a song and the sentiments are fine but sending it public in the delighted hope that it might go viral is just asking for trouble.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 28 September 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link

it ceases to be charming and becomes pomplemoussian in its quest for publicity

sarahell, Friday, 28 September 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link

exactly

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 28 September 2012 16:52 (eleven years ago) link

Yes. Plus she seems like an insufferable person. I hated her within 10 seconds.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Friday, 28 September 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link

pomplemoussian!

has important things to say about gangnam style (Hurting 2), Friday, 28 September 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link

I just watched the beginning again to make sure I wasn't just being harsh but COME ON. It's bad.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Friday, 28 September 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link

Yeah, i mean, if you want to open yourself up to the public, then you better be ready for criticism.

Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 28 September 2012 16:58 (eleven years ago) link

"you're my elf Muppet lover!"
"... thanks?"

set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 28 September 2012 17:05 (eleven years ago) link

let's also not forget "everything's okay-o/when I'm with Judeo"

set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 28 September 2012 17:07 (eleven years ago) link

The occasional cameo appearances of her BBFs.

pplains, Friday, 28 September 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link

BFFs, I mean.

pplains, Friday, 28 September 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link

rofl @ BBF

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Friday, 28 September 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link

you never know, they could be BBFs too

set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Friday, 28 September 2012 18:14 (eleven years ago) link

big beautiful friends?

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Friday, 28 September 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link

Blemish Balm Friends

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 28 September 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link

oh

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 28 September 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link

Oh, I was thinking something with a racial connotation

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Friday, 28 September 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link

I thought it was Big Beautiful Females...

die face down in some dude's pool (how's life), Friday, 28 September 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link

oh

― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, September 28, 2012 2:52 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Friday, 28 September 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link

DJP strikes again, lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 28 September 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link

Oh, I was thinking something with a racial connotation


Single Butt Female

pplains, Friday, 28 September 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link

let's also not forget "everything's okay-o/when I'm with Judeo"

― set me on fire RAAAAH (DJP), Friday, September 28, 2012 6:07 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I totally heard this as "everything's okay-o/when I'm with my dayo"

emil.y, Friday, 28 September 2012 21:19 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Someone can get me a framed edition of this one.

http://p.twimg.com/A5lGUF2CEAAQ9xZ.jpg

pplains, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link

I'll always remember the good times.

http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20110926-bigtex001.jpg.ece/BINARY/w620x413/bigtex001.JPG

pplains, Friday, 19 October 2012 16:02 (eleven years ago) link

the night they burned old texie down

michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Friday, 19 October 2012 16:05 (eleven years ago) link

did they take him to Parkland Hospital?

cancer, kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 October 2012 20:21 (eleven years ago) link

Helluva time to do his Koresh imitation.

pplains, Friday, 19 October 2012 20:30 (eleven years ago) link

nine months pass...

Celebrity attendee this year: Andrew Sullivan

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 August 2013 19:30 (ten years ago) link

Lol

joe schmoladoo from 7-11 (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 August 2013 19:32 (ten years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://www.theverge.com/2013/8/21/4643668/startups-are-invading-burning-man

At last year's Burning Man, a prominent tech investor was attacked by ninjas. "They were just a bunch of people dressed up as ninjas, riding around on bikes," says Garry Tan, Y Combinator partner and co-founder of Posthaven.com. "They yelled out 'ninja! ninja!' and then they tapped me lightly on the arm." As quickly as they'd appeared, the ninjas were gone.

polyphonic, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 17:06 (ten years ago) link

ten months pass...

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n14/emily-witt/diary

caek, Friday, 11 July 2014 18:35 (nine years ago) link

Disgusting

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 11 July 2014 18:49 (nine years ago) link

she biked to the playa a lot

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 11 July 2014 19:47 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

www.nytimes.com/2014/08/21/fashion/at-burning-man-the-tech-elite-one-up-one-another.html?utm_source=digg&utm_medium=email

“We used to have R.V.s and precooked meals,” said a man who attends Burning Man with a group of Silicon Valley entrepreneurs. (He asked not to be named so as not to jeopardize those relationships.) “Now, we have the craziest chefs in the world and people who build yurts for us that have beds and air-conditioning.” He added with a sense of amazement, “Yes, air-conditioning in the middle of the desert!”

His camp includes about 100 people from the Valley and Hollywood start-ups, as well as several venture capital firms. And while dues for most non-tech camps run about $300 a person, he said his camp’s fees this year were $25,000 a person. A few people, mostly female models flown in from New York, get to go free, but when all is told, the weekend accommodations will collectively cost the partygoers over $2 million.

a-lo, Thursday, 21 August 2014 16:17 (nine years ago) link

this has all become pretty gross

my friend who worked there for years quit earlier this year

Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 August 2014 16:34 (nine years ago) link

also relevant: http://www.sfbg.com/2014/08/19/burning-man-jumps-shark

Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 August 2014 16:40 (nine years ago) link

"There's no government that organizes this," Norquist said of Burning Man, an event held on federal land, accessed by public roads, and actively regulated by local, state, and federal agencies. "That's what happens when nobody tells you what to do. You just figure it out. So Burning Man is a refutation of the argument that the state has a place in nature."

Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 August 2014 16:43 (nine years ago) link

lol

example (crüt), Thursday, 21 August 2014 16:45 (nine years ago) link

burning man

example (crüt), Thursday, 21 August 2014 16:45 (nine years ago) link

one year passes...

I can't tell if this is satire or not. I really hope it's satire.

Old musical instruments make a great conversation starter. Not only that, but instruments with a low register such as the tuba and bassoon can be heard for miles on the playa, even through dust storms. Draw in a crowd with “When The Saints Go Marching In” then deliver your company pitch.

http://blog.leadgenius.com/prospecting-leads-at-burning-man/

pplains, Saturday, 29 August 2015 15:25 (eight years ago) link

#burningman, #playa, #blackrockcity, #rainbowserpent, #heavymachinery, #festivalseason, #decor, #tututuesday, #festival, #puppyeyes, #handmade, #danceparty, #headdress, #gypsykitties, #carniva, #tophat, #cardboard, #diy, #art, #musicfestival, #love, #friendship, #experience, #family, #desertbody, #grateful, #rockstar, #paperweights, #circus, #cirque, #chainbra, #carnivalofmirrors, #funkytown, #wanderlust, #freespirits, #nocturnalwonderland

pplains, Saturday, 29 August 2015 15:26 (eight years ago) link

it's not exactly satire. more like "topical humor"

resulting post (rogermexico.), Saturday, 29 August 2015 18:54 (eight years ago) link

Hard to know what brand I'm consuming these days.

pplains, Saturday, 29 August 2015 19:36 (eight years ago) link

Remember, anyone wearing a top hat is likely on the job. Be sure to exchange business cards with anyone donning a stovepipe. Even if they’re not in your industry they can potentially connect you with decision makers at businesses that fit your ideal customer profile.

Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 29 August 2015 20:06 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Rh3PbnAdw

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 29 August 2015 20:14 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/5L7KKYL.jpg

Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 22:04 (eight years ago) link

Well for some crazy reason, I'm getting a Page Not Found when I try to read that article.

http://i.imgur.com/pHwTr3I.png

pplains, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 23:43 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/fXgDJol.jpg

pplains, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 00:12 (eight years ago) link

TIL 'Hey Soul Sister' is about Burning Man.

http://www.avclub.com/article/drunk-historys-derek-waters-why-hey-soul-sister-so-224476

davey, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 01:01 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/zuM0Hh9.jpg

pplains, Saturday, 12 September 2015 02:04 (eight years ago) link

seven months pass...

^$400 for entry

map, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 23:08 (seven years ago) link

Starts at $350, which is less than the actual Burning Man.

nickn, Thursday, 5 May 2016 00:08 (seven years ago) link

two years pass...

I thought those were going to be carefully chosen visual zings but no ... those are pretty standard.

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 17:29 (five years ago) link

Standard idiocy.

outside, you're never alone. (Austin), Wednesday, 29 August 2018 17:45 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

LOOOOL

https://thepointsguy.com/news/burning-man-747-abandoned-in-desert-video/

sleeve, Monday, 17 September 2018 23:23 (five years ago) link

Burning Man, a utopia for guests, was hell for many workers
https://www.salon.com/2018/08/24/exclusive-burning-man-a-utopia-for-guests-can-be-a-hell-for-many-workers/

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 17 September 2018 23:35 (five years ago) link

I bet there's some overlap between the people who brought the 747 and the employers described in that article

sleeve, Monday, 17 September 2018 23:43 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

Cancelled again for 2021.

nickn, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 18:52 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

so my boyfriend is going with burner / fire performer friends as part of their troupe. he has always wanted to go, and i'm happy for him and supportive. but watching the whole process of rehearsals and just the entire alignment and aesthetic of the fire performers really confirms that this is not for me and i have absolutely no fomo. also, i just don't think fire performing is for me and i'd rather not watch any more of it - i find it boring and embarrassing lol.

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 21:48 (one year ago) link

i like his friends and think they're sweet and charming but i don't think i can be close to them or hang out with them for extended periods of time, which makes me a little sad but what are you gonna do.

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 21:51 (one year ago) link

the city that gets built is pretty amazing imo, but you can live a good life never going to burning man. no fomo.

death generator (lukas), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:28 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

This is my surprised face...

If the r/BurningMan subreddit is any indication, a lot of burners caught COVID at Burning Man this year. pic.twitter.com/HkUPoWUols

— Brett Forrest (@brettforrest89) September 4, 2022

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 5 September 2022 01:26 (one year ago) link

thought this bump was about the dust storm

beard papa, Monday, 5 September 2022 03:18 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

Heheheheh

Freaking climate and anti-capitalism activists creating insane traffic in both directions for people heading to Burning Man on Nevada State Route 447, because this is how you save the planet friends. 🙄 pic.twitter.com/vubsSp2XI9

— conservativestoners (@mentalflossimg) August 28, 2023

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 29 August 2023 23:04 (seven months ago) link

seems to be going well this year

More than 73,000 Burning Man attendees remain confined to their camps Saturday and are blocked from leaving the event after a slow-moving rainstorm turned their desert playground into a soupy, muddy morass.

Organizers banned vehicle traffic from the roads Friday afternoon and kept the exit gates closed as of 8 a.m. local time Saturday. Even walking was treacherous as thick, slimy mud clung to shoes and anything else it touched.

Organizers warned attendees to conserve their food and water, indicating the closures could be lengthy.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/09/02/burning-man-shelter-in-place-mud-closes-roads-exit-gates/70749712007/

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Saturday, 2 September 2023 16:30 (seven months ago) link

are there self-driving cars there? Honestly, that would be hilarious.

sarahell, Saturday, 2 September 2023 17:10 (seven months ago) link

Basically, a friend of mine had a handful of free tickets and a free vehicle pass ... he gave away/sold the tickets but still had the vehicle pass ... someone joked that he could give it to one of those self-driving cars and it could have a fun vacation!

sarahell, Saturday, 2 September 2023 17:12 (seven months ago) link

I have a couple friends who have been trying to have their wedding in this amazing outdoor location, and rain washed the road out so they had to cancel .... for the third time.

So they decided last minute to go to Burning Man instead

what you say is true but by no means (lukas), Saturday, 2 September 2023 17:42 (seven months ago) link

i guess compared to weddings, Burning Man is fairly inexpensive

sarahell, Saturday, 2 September 2023 17:44 (seven months ago) link

lol

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 2 September 2023 18:23 (seven months ago) link

rumours are that there’s an Ebola outbreak but what we do know is that a fan helped Diplo and Chris Rock leave quarantine

Murgatroid, Saturday, 2 September 2023 23:47 (seven months ago) link

When you go to Burning Man for fun in the desert but it rains six inches and floods and you think you're just going to drive out of the mud because you have a Jeep Wrangler.#BurningMan #BurningMan2023 pic.twitter.com/8MJ12wUYjF

— 🌈 Tess T. Eccles-Brown, PhD (@TTEcclesBrown) September 3, 2023

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 3 September 2023 09:13 (seven months ago) link

Incredible way to find out my therapist is at Burning Man pic.twitter.com/69ann50Ni9

— Catie Stewart (@catrionastew) September 3, 2023

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 3 September 2023 09:24 (seven months ago) link

cool pic.twitter.com/1sXpKmvVXJ

— andrew (@intellegint) September 2, 2023

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 3 September 2023 09:56 (seven months ago) link

All vehicle traffic within the encampment has been halted, including servicing for the thousands of portable toilets that make the event possible.

pplains, Sunday, 3 September 2023 13:32 (seven months ago) link

I feel like this gives them all the opportunity for some real Mad Max action, like the hardcore burners fantasize about.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 3 September 2023 14:08 (seven months ago) link

They can set up an alternative society and never leave (until the food runs out anyway)

I spent too long trying to write sensible SF (Matt #2), Sunday, 3 September 2023 14:10 (seven months ago) link

If things go far enough they won't run out of food until they run out of people, if you see what I mean.

read-only (unperson), Sunday, 3 September 2023 16:41 (seven months ago) link

I feel like this gives them all the opportunity for some real Mad Max action, like the hardcore burners fantasize about.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, September 3, 2023 7:08 AM (two hours ago)

you know that's how it used to be back in the 90s right?

sarahell, Sunday, 3 September 2023 16:54 (seven months ago) link

like they have an actual Thunderdome

sarahell, Sunday, 3 September 2023 16:54 (seven months ago) link

But this time it's for real — water scarcity, dwindling supplies. Time for Immortan Joe!

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 3 September 2023 17:21 (seven months ago) link

twitter joke re an ebola breakout has broken out into the conspiracy sphere and theyre lovin it

IT HAS BEEN REPORTED THAT FEMA HAS BEEN SENT IN TO SHUT DOWN BURNING MAN FESTIVAL! 🚨🚨🚨

There are rumors that people are getting SUPER SICK from some mysterious virus that is spreading “boils, vomiting, coughing up coagulated blood” 😳

FEMA has supposedly now locked down the… pic.twitter.com/WP6nR2Ouyf

— The Patriot Voice (@TPV_John) September 3, 2023

lag∞n, Sunday, 3 September 2023 18:34 (seven months ago) link

that wrangler upthread is cooked lol rip

lag∞n, Sunday, 3 September 2023 18:35 (seven months ago) link

rip electric sun 20

Allen (etaeoe), Sunday, 3 September 2023 18:37 (seven months ago) link

Wrangler upthread is not actually a recent pic unfortunately

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 3 September 2023 19:41 (seven months ago) link

it’s all fun and games until your conspiracy theorist mother calls you to make sure you’re not at Burning Man because of the ebola lockdown 😭 😂

— 621 (@meat) September 3, 2023

lag∞n, Sunday, 3 September 2023 19:42 (seven months ago) link

i think that it's still all fun and games tbh

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 3 September 2023 19:59 (seven months ago) link

pretty wild to witness conspiracists taking a lil joke amongst a handful of people and run with it

lag∞n, Sunday, 3 September 2023 20:12 (seven months ago) link

all the replies like "figured something like this would happen" lol

lag∞n, Sunday, 3 September 2023 20:13 (seven months ago) link

rebranding it as eBola and looking for some VC sweetness

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 3 September 2023 20:20 (seven months ago) link

lol

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 3 September 2023 20:20 (seven months ago) link

Isn't Ebola a kind of fever? You're not supposed to take the event name this literally.

StanM, Sunday, 3 September 2023 20:26 (seven months ago) link

oh people have taken it literally to try and self-immolate so ...

sarahell, Sunday, 3 September 2023 20:44 (seven months ago) link

I simply would not pay money to get a burning arsehole in a de facto concentration camp - already got plenty of that!

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Sunday, 3 September 2023 21:17 (seven months ago) link

I feel like this gives them all the opportunity for some real Mad Max action, like the hardcore burners fantasize about.


The Mad Max folks have already split off from Burning Man and center their lives around Wasteland - a Mad Max-themed Burning Man-like event out in the California desert later this month - https://www.wastelandweekend.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyi_9MESsT8

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 4 September 2023 00:19 (seven months ago) link

lol now is the time when I start to see all the hardcore burners post "actually we had backup sanitation/food/water, and we weren't gonna leave until Tuesday anyway"

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Monday, 4 September 2023 01:01 (seven months ago) link

portapotties were serviced today apparently, which was the main concern

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Monday, 4 September 2023 01:01 (seven months ago) link

W.H. official: President Biden has been briefed on the situation at the Burning Man festival in Nevada’s Black Rock Desert.

— philip lewis (@Phil_Lewis_) September 3, 2023

lag∞n, Monday, 4 September 2023 01:05 (seven months ago) link

nice of them to let him know

ciderpress, Monday, 4 September 2023 01:06 (seven months ago) link

potentially very funny conversation with an old man who is the president

lag∞n, Monday, 4 September 2023 01:10 (seven months ago) link

Biden thinks “burning, man” is a punchline of a joke about a stag party

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Monday, 4 September 2023 01:29 (seven months ago) link

"Is this like Woodstock or one of those 'Crazy Clown Gang' festivals?"

"No sir. Woodstock had Jimi Hendrix while Juggalos bring their own shovels."

pplains, Monday, 4 September 2023 01:35 (seven months ago) link

Joe Biden has sent 100 billion dollars to Ukraine and NOTHING to Burning Man.

— James (@GravitysRa1nbow) September 3, 2023

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 4 September 2023 02:04 (seven months ago) link

He sent Hunter... probably.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 4 September 2023 02:11 (seven months ago) link

you know that's how it used to be back in the 90s right?

I went in 1992. Population 600 and it was free. I had been mixed up with LA Cacophony for several years, still had my pickup truck and most importantly: experience with desert camping since I was a kid. Burning Man then was mostly SF Cacophony folks, their cabaret acts, a couple dozen from LA Cacophony and about a half-dozen "art cars" from somewhere that roamed the playa at any given time. I brought my telescope, a boombox with all my Spacemen 3 tapes, and my own drugs. Good night for the Andromeda Galaxy and Saturn - I hung out on the tailgate of my truck while random weirdos came by to look through the scope. I tossed some of my remaining college undergrad notes into the Man and split as soon as it went up. That was the only time I went. I couldn't deal with the non-stop 24 hour a day drum circle.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 4 September 2023 04:47 (seven months ago) link

Neal Katyal, a law professor at Georgetown University and former acting solicitor general in the Obama administration, said that he and several others hiked six miles to Gerlach, the nearest town.

Mr. Katyal and his group filled their backpacks with the essentials: “flashlights, water, extra socks — some of us like me had to bring our computers,” he said. They put plastic bags on their bare feet, socks over the top of them, and then put their boots or shoes on to “avoid being soaked,” he said.

“The hike was quite hard,” Mr. Katyal said, adding that the mud was“extremely sticky and heavy” and some people in the group almost fell. He expressed concern for those still looking to depart. “I think it is going to be very hard for people to leave for some days, but I think so many of the folks there have such a good spirit, dancing and making the most of it,” he said.

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 September 2023 12:30 (seven months ago) link

some people in the group almost fell

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 September 2023 12:35 (seven months ago) link

Article idea: “It used to be art weirdos and now it’s tech lords and Beltway creatures—Is Burning Man the new Bohemian Grove?”

deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 4 September 2023 13:34 (seven months ago) link

I have a friend who is a law professor at Georgetown, I have to ask him if he knows this guy

the new drip king (DJP), Monday, 4 September 2023 13:43 (seven months ago) link

katyal is infamous for successfully defending nestles use of child slavery before the supreme court

lag∞n, Monday, 4 September 2023 13:55 (seven months ago) link

frequent MSNBC talking head, pretty full of himself

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 4 September 2023 14:04 (seven months ago) link

I went in 1992. Population 600

― Elvis Telecom, Monday, September 4, 2023 12:47 AM (nine hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

thats crazy it was so small i remember hearing about it around then in massachusetts

lag∞n, Monday, 4 September 2023 14:31 (seven months ago) link

Mr Veg saw one of the early ones on Baker Beach SF in the late 80’s - he and his friends had gone to the beach to drop acid & there was a bunch of art weirdos burning a huge effigy on the beach so they hung out and watched

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 4 September 2023 15:21 (seven months ago) link

they’re all going to be fine, and the lesson they’ll learn is how great they are.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 4 September 2023 15:52 (seven months ago) link

i'm a bit worried. the extra time in the desert with drugs might make these geniuses too disruptive next year.

cracked fixed view mire (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 4 September 2023 15:55 (seven months ago) link

yeah the most disgusting shit will be next year when all these numbskulls are going to be back having learned absolutely nothing and s'ing their own d's about how this year's Burning Man is about preserverence and healing #BurningManStrong

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 4 September 2023 16:04 (seven months ago) link

maybe the portapotty servicing has improved since the 90s but ... my memory of it was literally the most disgusting shit

sarahell, Monday, 4 September 2023 16:15 (seven months ago) link

portos that are even a little bit too full not close to overflowing are so nasty a mountain island of shit and toilet paper starts to form

lag∞n, Monday, 4 September 2023 16:19 (seven months ago) link

lol what seriously cmon

sorry i just found out there are cops at burning man who will arrest you on drug charges and now if i’m being honest i no longer understand the point of burning man at all

— sorrel (@sorrelquest) September 4, 2023

lag∞n, Monday, 4 September 2023 16:20 (seven months ago) link

a little robot should carry our shamepiles away and bury them at an optimum spot based on content readings

cracked fixed view mire (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 4 September 2023 16:26 (seven months ago) link

Mr Veg saw one of the early ones on Baker Beach SF in the late 80’s - he and his friends had gone to the beach to drop acid & there was a bunch of art weirdos burning a huge effigy on the beach so they hung out and watched

― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, September 4, 2023 11:21 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

lol perfect

lag∞n, Monday, 4 September 2023 16:27 (seven months ago) link

oh it was beyond "shamepiles" like some of it was fecal Jackson Pollock

sarahell, Monday, 4 September 2023 16:29 (seven months ago) link

events i regret not going to this weekend, ranked

(1) pirate fetish convention
(2) trans dance party
(3) one of the many fine local farmer's markets
(4) burning man, which i am assured is totally fine and will continue to be totally fine as long as the drugs don't run out.

"totally fine as long as the drugs don't run out" is how i describe myself on grindr but frankly i've never seen estrogen as much of a party drug

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 4 September 2023 16:37 (seven months ago) link

The one person I know at burning man has checked in on FB and she's alive. Definitely posting with #burnerstrong energy, I don't assume any lessons are being learned.

omar little, Monday, 4 September 2023 16:55 (seven months ago) link

learned lessons are but clay pigeons launched before the disruption gun

cracked fixed view mire (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 4 September 2023 17:02 (seven months ago) link

it doesnt seem that bad honestly tho if it continued to ran it could be

lag∞n, Monday, 4 September 2023 17:02 (seven months ago) link

lol at the heroic adventures walking out of there, assume they got someone to take care of their stuff for them

lag∞n, Monday, 4 September 2023 17:03 (seven months ago) link

Or they just leave it and try to collect what money they can from REI when home

cracked fixed view mire (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 4 September 2023 17:06 (seven months ago) link

faced with the post-holiday deadlines of a monster whose identity cannot withstand missing a single meeting, the gortex moans

cracked fixed view mire (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 4 September 2023 17:12 (seven months ago) link

sorta wish biden would show up and throws some jumpers of tp and papertowels like trump after maria.

you need magical thinking ay my name is david blaine (Hunt3r), Monday, 4 September 2023 19:41 (seven months ago) link

fecal Jackson Pollock

ok, sarahell. thank you. that's enough.

pplains, Monday, 4 September 2023 21:24 (seven months ago) link

when i see this i get stuck at who’s culpable: art hippies, or edward abbey?

then i just “why not both? i still hope u safe. mostly.”

you need magical thinking ay my name is david blaine (Hunt3r), Monday, 4 September 2023 21:50 (seven months ago) link

Other than a few people with seriously compromised health who may need to be evacuated by helicopter, these dolts should be left to commune with their own excrement.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 4 September 2023 22:34 (seven months ago) link

Lol According to Diplo Chris Rock was freaking out that people were going to turn to cannibalism

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 00:48 (seven months ago) link

I mean have you ever tasted tech bro execs?

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 00:49 (seven months ago) link

I mean have you ever tasted tech bro execs?


i dunno, children are supposedly quite yummy in a pinch

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 00:59 (seven months ago) link

I went to a desert raver in Mojave during the crazy rainstorms of February 2016. Car got stuck in the mud on the way in and out. Was still fun and I'm sure most people out there are adapting and having a great time. Was nearly snowed on in Death Valley while up in the Racetrack Playa. Went to Burning Man in 2015 when it was probably the 2nd or 1st most dustiest year in its history.

People panicking or making a stink about this are either projecting their distaste for BM or "hippies" or "tech people" or haven't ever actually camped in a desert proper. The lede that's buried here is much of this crazy weather causing this scene is yet another obvious sign of climate change.

octobeard, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 01:19 (seven months ago) link

heh heh, nah. i know the space. hippies or abbey. but our own septic juices the bechamel, u got that right.

you need magical thinking ay my name is david blaine (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 01:25 (seven months ago) link

People panicking or making a stink about this are either projecting their distaste for BM or "hippies" or "tech people" or haven't ever actually camped in a desert proper. The lede that's buried here is much of this crazy weather causing this scene is yet another obvious sign of climate change.

1) yes
2) yes
3) yes
4) yes and why should that stop me?
5) no duh

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 01:58 (seven months ago) link

The desert is by definition a place prone to extremes and should be treated with great respect. According to Wikipedia, in 2019, 78,850 people participated in the event. There's a lot of hubris on display in the very concept of Burning Man, no matter how many port-a-potties and medical tents they set up.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 03:29 (seven months ago) link

Desert Blast, "the largest outlaw fireworks show in the West," was always the one I wanted to get to but never did.
https://www.wired.com/1994/12/desert-blast/

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 5 September 2023 03:44 (seven months ago) link

Climate change activists tried to block the entrance to Burning Man and attendees mocked them as they drove through and the organizers called the cops

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 12:26 (seven months ago) link

projecting my distaste for BM or "hippies" or "tech people" while reading this

Burning Man yesterday after rain….double rainbow.
The Playa was dry and walkable tonight.
All the artwork,the Man and the Temple were on display
A memorable year. More rain. Less dust.
Discussions of whether eating vegans counted as keeping vegetarian were strictly hypothetical pic.twitter.com/aSAr732ny9

— Grover Norquist (@GroverNorquist) September 3, 2023

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 23:33 (seven months ago) link

Just want to make Grover small enough that he can be drowned in a mud puddle

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 5 September 2023 23:50 (seven months ago) link

Norquist and his wife attended the annual Burning Man festival in Black Rock, Nevada in August 2014. Norquist explained that he wished to attend because, "There's no government that organizes this. That's what happens when nobody tells you what to do. You just figure it out. So Burning Man is a refutation of the argument that the state has a place in nature."

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 00:21 (seven months ago) link

is he a full-on libertarian or something? fuck that dude

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 00:34 (seven months ago) link

Burning Man is a refutation of the argument that the state has a place in nature.

Deep thoughts from someone who can't see past the end of his nose.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 01:04 (seven months ago) link

That's what happens when nobody tells you what to do. You just figure it out.

Never been to BM, but it looks like there's a whole bunch of someone telling you what to do, and what not to do

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 01:19 (seven months ago) link

"Nobody tells me what to do! I just figure it out!"
- Ayn Rand enthusiast parked in Q4 A12 R33 #12

https://i.imgur.com/XQp3Ks0.png

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 02:21 (seven months ago) link

Where Burning Man's money went (as of pre-Covid 2020)
https://www.rgj.com/story/life/arts/burning-man/2020/01/09/burning-man-money-t-tax-documents-black-rock-city-budget/2827709001/

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 04:00 (seven months ago) link

IT Director Heather Gallagher: $183,000, increase of $46,000
Managing Director Heather White: $176,000, increase of $15,000

https://i.imgur.com/ze9TRgp.png

lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 04:04 (seven months ago) link

classic boston accent name

lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 04:05 (seven months ago) link

i went to school with a girl named heathah mcgwiah

lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 04:11 (seven months ago) link

heather ledger itt

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 08:49 (seven months ago) link

what are the rival "purplish blooms" namewise?

i think crocus, catmint and purpletop vervain, i'm calling christian slater's agent right now

mark s, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 09:03 (seven months ago) link

There's a lot of hubris on display in the very concept of Burning Man, no matter how many port-a-potties and medical tents they set up.

There's a lot of hubris in the very existence of the cities of Phoenix, Las Vegas, New Orleans, Mexico City, and Venice; not to mention a good dozen metropolises in India and China. Civilization is Hubris. If anything BM is at least a creative expression of a city that ends up appearing and disappearing over the course of a few months and has inspired a lot more positive things than negative, unlike a ton of other festivals and events that free passes for infinitely worse shit.

What happens to some of those aforementioned urban centers over the next 25-50 years is far more concerning than any environmental or even moral issues Black Rock City would offer up.

octobeard, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 11:09 (seven months ago) link

that get free passes

octobeard, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 11:10 (seven months ago) link

_There's a lot of hubris on display in the very concept of Burning Man, no matter how many port-a-potties and medical tents they set up._


There's a lot of hubris in the very existence of the cities of Phoenix, Las Vegas, New Orleans, Mexico City, and Venice; not to mention a good dozen metropolises in India and China. Civilization is Hubris. If anything BM is at least a creative expression of a city that ends up appearing and disappearing over the course of a few months and has inspired a lot more positive things than negative, unlike a ton of other festivals and events that free passes for infinitely worse shit.

What happens to some of those aforementioned urban centers over the next 25-50 years is far more concerning than any environmental or even moral issues Black Rock City would offer up.


oh get fucked with this apologist bullshit.

Burning Man is a fake TAZ with a fake mission and is an excuse for people with wealth to engage in disgusting hedonism and wreak havoc intentionally on a fragile environment.

Burning Man has inspired nothing of note. What, a shitty psytrance album?

Fuck Burning Man and fuck Burners.

As for your comparison to metropolises, Vegas and Phoenix are certainly on the list for good reason. But to place cities that have been densely settled for thousands of years in the same category is just evidence that your point isn’t well-thought out.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 11:21 (seven months ago) link

the art is bad too, not even really art

lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 18:02 (seven months ago) link

engage in disgusting hedonism

okay, what's wrong with this exactly?

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 18:30 (seven months ago) link

"I don’t care how exotic the drugs or how interesting the art is: once people such as Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk show up to your party, there is no longer anything countercultural about it. You are not rebelling against the man. You are the man."

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/commentisfree/2023/sep/05/why-all-the-burning-man-schadenfreude-where-do-i-start-

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:00 (seven months ago) link

burning man is so lame that's the funniest part, just the dumbest, lamest 90s cyber cafe white dread bullshit

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:12 (seven months ago) link

I mean let's just tell off Glastonbury, Sonar (which shows off very similar art) and everything else then. And I guess sex, drugs and having fun is no longer okay! Just because some huge assholes go to the same thing. Like all events and concerts too. Jeez I guess I'll never leave the house and just hate the world, okay? This outrage at BM is completely ridiculous. Should we make fun of all the regional burns too?

Wrt to my city comparisons, the very fact Venice is still around is hubris. Building any give urban center at any point in human history has profound impacts on the surrounding environs and even the weather. My point stands.

octobeard, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:12 (seven months ago) link

I'm grateful to burning man for luring the most annoying people away from the bay area for a week every year.

Chyiv Kyiv (Fetchboy), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:18 (seven months ago) link

It'd be nice if they actually did try to establish a real city out there so we'd have more than a week's reprieve.

Chyiv Kyiv (Fetchboy), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:20 (seven months ago) link

Also somebody has to burn that guy

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:22 (seven months ago) link

Like so many things in human experience, it's an interesting concept made significantly less interesting by the people actually involved.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:24 (seven months ago) link

glastonbury and sonar can have some decent music and don't have inflated reputations as proof of concept of anarcho-capitalism

deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:30 (seven months ago) link

you're not allowed to buy or sell things, but fair point on the music

what you say is true but by no means (lukas), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:35 (seven months ago) link

I feel a lot of the people posting above have never gone. Honestly, I felt similarly before I went in 2011, but I chose to go without expectations or cynicism. One of the best times of my life and gave me a creative energy I still channel to this day, hence my defensiveness. I also love watching and going to concerts and professional sports games so I'm used to being around large crowds non sober people sprinkled with oligarchs and massive dickheads.

octobeard, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:38 (seven months ago) link

Should we make fun of all the regional burns too?

I mean, sure?

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:39 (seven months ago) link

xp I have tons of friends who go and even work there but it is def not for me, I do see the positives (although there are also negatives) and tbh nobody who is a regular there seemed the least bit put out by the weather issues

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:40 (seven months ago) link

if they burned a giant straw goat at it these lads would be all over it tbf

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:40 (seven months ago) link

OK yeah then I would go

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:41 (seven months ago) link

i dont offer this as a criticism to be clear if anything its advice

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:41 (seven months ago) link

it's always good advice to work in a big straw goat to burn somehow

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:42 (seven months ago) link

Definitely don't go there for the music, but you can find some good shit. Those Tycho sunrise DJ sets were nice. My first year there I was putting on Tesla coil concerts with music I composed!

octobeard, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 20:42 (seven months ago) link

Jeez I guess I'll never leave the house and just hate the world, okay? 

thanks for understanding.

i particularly appreciated the logic of "you can't judge a ding dong infested ecologically irresponsible rave because Venice was created 1600 years ago"

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 21:22 (seven months ago) link

if they burned a giant straw goat at it these lads would be all over it tbf

― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Wednesday, September 6, 2023 4:40 PM (forty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

if half the people wanted to burn the man but the other half didnt

lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 21:25 (seven months ago) link

are you going to burning man
im going to man
*recognize each other as enemies*

lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 21:30 (seven months ago) link

friend who went said she felt like it was people searching for religion and it kinda had the vibe but ultimately fell short cause it was too much entertainment, modern life

lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 21:32 (seven months ago) link

Big Devil Sticks thanks god every night for Burning Man

cracked fixed view mire (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 22:06 (seven months ago) link

silicon valley elite getting into drugs is def a very weird bad vibes situation, and now grover norquist and that evil lawyer too i guess

lag∞n, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 22:08 (seven months ago) link

this Doug rushkoff book about the emergence of that kind of thing is pretty lol

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberia_(book)

brimstead, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 22:12 (seven months ago) link

When you consider so many of those guys have disruptions that are evil not good, it really does lend bad vibes to the whole no rules nature of the thing

omar little, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 22:12 (seven months ago) link

thanks for understanding.

Likewise. I see scant nuance in the hate here. The same arguments can be used to tear down most of the shit everyone celebrates in this forum. It's very reductive. Perhaps I'm coming off overly optimistic, and trust me, there's a shit ton wrong with the event and many people interpret some toxic BS from it, but you can say the same for so many things in our lives that I feel much of the hate is projection of frustration around other shit (inequality, tech hubris, bs hypocritical libertarian ideologies) that it overlooks a lot of positivity. I'm just trying to balance the discourse. But I guess I'm online - in a world that has lost nuance or the ability to avoid putting a thing into a single bucket.

octobeard, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 22:47 (seven months ago) link

xp Bohemian Grove for the crypto bro's

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 22:49 (seven months ago) link

And let's be clear - the inequality, tech hubris and much of what's wrong with contemporary society isn't the fault of Burning Man - it's the fault of a lot of other things, including neo-liberalism, eroding democracy and online misinformation (among many, many other things including basic human greed), but not Burning Man per se. Burning Man is just showing the symptoms of the sickness in a more dramatic way that makes it a very easy target.

octobeard, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 22:50 (seven months ago) link

If anything the event exhibits some political changes we'd all like: universal health care, collective infrastructure, and an economy focused on giving and community. The fact a number of people subvert or misinterpret these ideals and take away a toxic, unrealistic world view from the event doesn't mean the event is a bad idea. Part of the issue I feel is after 2012, tickets sold out and the event became a haves vs have nots that created more explicit hierarchy and exclusion.

My first impressions with the event back in 2011 made me feel it was closer to something like Pride in that it allowed a safe space for people to celebrate and explore their personal identities and express themselves in ways regular society wouldn't normally allow. I thought that was pretty profound at the time. But whatever I guess. I feel I'm talking to a wall here so I'll just bow out.

octobeard, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 22:56 (seven months ago) link

nah I hear ya, another friend posted similar:

I'm usually the first one to talk shit about Burning Man (especially when I am on Playa) but dang I am getting kinda worn down by all the people ripping on a place that they don't seem to know anything about.

I get that it has been all over the news, and headlines about Diplo and Chris Rock hitchhiking off of Playa are gonna grab attention. I get that in our current global climate change reality, it feels really good to look at anyone who does something that we don't personally do, and judge them for their use of resources (i.e. see literally any aggressively child-free Facebook group...) And sure, it's real fun to dunk on the obscenely wealthy.

Like... sure, a decent amount of wealthy tech bros go to BRC, but here's the thing: they are certainly not the majority. There is a large, diverse community of people who make that event happen, and while the whole premise can be a bit stupid and shallow, it really does have its moments.

The one thing I do know, is that all of my friends who are currently out there are gonna count this year as one for the records. More than anything, this experience will have brought a lot of people together and, in the long run, will be remembered fondly.

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 22:57 (seven months ago) link

I have several friends who were and still are evangelical about Burning Man, but they mostly went there in the 90s/00s and they've all gotten older now

One of my best friends stayed with me this summer from the east coast on his way up to the Bohemian Grove. He's been a member for many years as part of the talent (the performers). I've grilled him about what his experience there is like, but still don't have a complete picture. It sounds to me like a glorified boy scout camp for old republican men, be he assures me that's not the full story

Dan S, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 23:06 (seven months ago) link

okay, so please shut the fuck up about it?

a fake TAZ— a concept invented by a pedophile, mind you

an ecological disaster in a fragile environment

a collection of some of the most annoying, rich, and overprivileged people on the planet being “served”
by fellow “attendees” who are mostly spun wooks or alcoholic former punks— the “diversity” is absolute fucking false, there’s a class system, otherwise people i know wouldn’t be bartending or driving huge fucking ice trucks to the middle of the goddamn desert so some assholes can have ice cold drinks

some of the most godawful “art” i’ve ever seen, spectacle over nuance every time

overwhelmingly terrible music. Tycho is ambient for people who can afford Aesop skin creme.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 23:15 (seven months ago) link

good post!

Dan S, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 23:20 (seven months ago) link

okay, so please shut the fuck up about it?

this is the Burning Man thread

the “diversity” is absolute fucking false, there’s a class system, otherwise people i know wouldn’t be bartending or driving huge fucking ice trucks to the middle of the goddamn desert so some assholes can have ice cold drinks

it's true, only 1,000 people at Burning Man have fun, the other 69,000 are lowly peons.

what you say is true but by no means (lukas), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 23:26 (seven months ago) link

yeah, this is the appropriate venue to discuss Burning Man

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 23:27 (seven months ago) link

the funniest thing that’s happened in this thread is octobeard comparing Burning Man to cities that have been around for literal millennia. talk
about hubris.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 6 September 2023 23:29 (seven months ago) link

one of the biggest DUDs of all time. I should note that I haven't been, but every thing I've ever heard about it makes me cringe.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, August 11, 2003 10:14 AM (twenty years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Spencer set the tone twenty years ago, we're just sticking to it

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 6 September 2023 23:30 (seven months ago) link

burning man and gathering of the jugglos should merge

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 September 2023 00:32 (seven months ago) link

fuckin' magnates, how do they work?

cracked fixed view mire (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 7 September 2023 00:42 (seven months ago) link

the one person who really tried to sell me on burning man irl kept using the term "radical self expression" and like you gotta know your audience lol that doesnt sounds too good to me, also everything is so dusty

having said that i bet its probably fun to go and maybe even cool, a big party if youre into that sort of thing, but a lot of the shit you see from afar is pretty dopey and maybe even indicative of having a bad world view, i suspect the tech overlord aspect is overplayed tho, its not really their party theyre just there to soak in the vibes

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 September 2023 00:44 (seven months ago) link

its kind of gen x carnival coded alt clowns burlesque and so forth being a dilettante for pagan shit

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 September 2023 00:46 (seven months ago) link

I suspect it was good but is now "over"

cracked fixed view mire (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 7 September 2023 00:47 (seven months ago) link

ah well whatre you gonna do, time to launch the drones

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 September 2023 00:50 (seven months ago) link

getting like really really angry about it seems about as forced as evangelising it tbh the correct distance is poking fun at it in a disaster year and thinking "lame" once in any other year

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 7 September 2023 00:50 (seven months ago) link

let me be clear -- i hate this thing only to the extent that it's cool

cracked fixed view mire (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 7 September 2023 00:52 (seven months ago) link

the funniest thing that’s happened in this thread is octobeard comparing Burning Man to cities that have been around for literal millennia

No - that was an absurdist and caricaturist response to the initial argument that Black Rock City is "hubris". Like - No. Fucking. Shit. Because everything we do is wrt to basic civilization is environmentally altering hubris. Burning Man is minuscule and pointless in comparison. That entire argument was stupid and still is; the fact mine comes across as absurd was intentional because the original argument is essentially pointless and exposed more bias and emotional rage than any constructive debate.

Your points are literally unhinged subjective biases (the music and art sucks boo!) and reductive exaggerations of a minority of some of the most annoying attendees. Why don't you just leave this thread if you want to stop engaging with the discussion of BM in the thread for it here? You sound like some Fox News watcher complaining about liberals in SF, honestly.

octobeard, Thursday, 7 September 2023 00:53 (seven months ago) link

“(i.e. see literally any aggressively child-free Facebook group...)”

wth is this

brimstead, Thursday, 7 September 2023 00:53 (seven months ago) link

i hate it so much it goes way past cool but then my hatred becomes so powerful that you start to think hey yeah maybe hes right we should start a rival festival... on fire guy

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 September 2023 00:54 (seven months ago) link

I’ve been to Autonomous Mutant Festival— one of the original splinters of OG Burning Man—- DEMF (aka Movement), Honcho, and a few others. I think all of those are pretty wasteful, too, fwiw, tho none are at the scale of Burning Man. I wouldn’t go to a music festival again, mostly because large crowds and/or camping around thousands of people just isn’t very me any longer.

my main problem with Burning Man, in my heart of hearts, is that its aspirations and intentions seem completely contradicted by its reality. it makes me recall the song “Halloween” by the Dead Kennedys.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 7 September 2023 00:55 (seven months ago) link

Your points are literally unhinged subjective biases (the music and art sucks boo!)

― octobeard, Wednesday, September 6, 2023 8:53 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

honestly the best argument against it tbf

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 September 2023 00:56 (seven months ago) link

true hubris is believing that one can and should replace all technology with steam technology. But I don't think anyone at burning man believes this.

cracked fixed view mire (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 7 September 2023 00:57 (seven months ago) link

It really is a trash event now (from 2019)

An individual Burner’s footprint is about two-thirds of a ton for the week, twice that of an average American. But Burners aren’t average, and they’re becoming less average every year. The median personal income of attendees went from $51,100 in 2013 to $71,500 in 2019.

Burners are famously good at leaving little to no trash on the playa (principle number eight: “Leave no trace”), but that’s cracking under the stress too. This year, the team that sweeps the playa to ensure it’s truly clean before inspection by the Bureau of Land Management was shocked by the amount of trash it found, attributing the mess partly to punishing winds and dust storms, but also excessive heat and fatigue. It’s telling that the thing they found the most of was tent stakes. Tent campers were just done.

You might be wondering why we should care about an 80,000-person totally optional festival and its first-world problems, when the ancestral homes of millions of people are fast becoming unlivable due to climate change. People without access to air-conditioning die every year in Pakistan, but there was only one death at Burning Man in 2022—a middle-aged man had a heart attack. But if a collection of some of the most capitalized, connected, and tech-forward people on the planet can’t figure this out, what hope is there for the rest of us?

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 7 September 2023 00:59 (seven months ago) link

i went to a country fair last year and they had a exhibition of all these early machines with the old guys whos hobby it was to restore them, it was pretty cool they should get that at burning man

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 September 2023 01:00 (seven months ago) link

at that tho i’ve unbookmarked this thread— i can’t apologize for my bile because i’m not sorry for it, but as some have pointed out, better to just put it out of my head after a hearty chuckle

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 7 September 2023 01:00 (seven months ago) link

I suspect it was good but is now "over"

Just unfashionable. Like living in SF. Or having nuanced discussions online that don't involve snap judgements on wholesale groups of people over the actions of a few.

octobeard, Thursday, 7 September 2023 01:00 (seven months ago) link

I will also openly confess I haven't been since 2015. But was building an immersive sound sculpture to bring out in 2020 that was derailed by the pandemic and still haven't been back. I just really dislike a pile-on on something that really isn't the "cause of our ills". It's like y'all are taking the bait.

octobeard, Thursday, 7 September 2023 01:06 (seven months ago) link

they wanted to clear up all the trash after 2019 but the stakes were too high

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Thursday, 7 September 2023 01:07 (seven months ago) link

if the burning man thread can't handle a few punks blowing off steam

cracked fixed view mire (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 7 September 2023 01:07 (seven months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/yynT4rU.png

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 September 2023 01:14 (seven months ago) link

lol goddamnit

I love you all. I've probably consumed too much acid over the years.

octobeard, Thursday, 7 September 2023 01:21 (seven months ago) link

;)

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 September 2023 01:45 (seven months ago) link

you what I'm at a Melvins show right now and Buzz is basically a Republican so who am I to judge

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 7 September 2023 01:56 (seven months ago) link

octobeard itt is like me if there was a thread where people said what they think about community theater

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 7 September 2023 02:02 (seven months ago) link

MAYBE COMING DOWN FROM THE TREES WAS EXCRUCIATING AND CRINGE YOU EVER THINK OF THAT

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 7 September 2023 02:02 (seven months ago) link

MAYBE ALL OF SOCIETY IS AN "UNWANTED OBLIGATION"

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 7 September 2023 02:05 (seven months ago) link

you what I'm at a Melvins show right now and Buzz is basically a Republican so who am I to judge

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, September 6, 2023 9:56 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

ive def had deep burning man type experiences at melvins shows

lag∞n, Thursday, 7 September 2023 02:07 (seven months ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5GTnj5boAAJITh?format=jpg&name=large

have we obama's (acting) solicitor general's attendance

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 7 September 2023 02:16 (seven months ago) link

I went to Crash Worship shows when Burning Man was still being held in the city at Ocean Beach... and then SRL's Crime Wave in the mid-90s, in my mind those were perhaps a purer expression/root of what the BM experience was targeting, at least initially.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 7 September 2023 02:25 (seven months ago) link

I saw one of the Burning Man organizers on a panel at a U.S. Conference of Mayors thing, and tbh he was pretty interesting. Mostly talking about the logistics of putting it on, all the problems they had to learn how to solve over the years.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 7 September 2023 02:37 (seven months ago) link

For me, the Desolation Center shows were always the ideal version of this but it just seems incompatible with always-online influencer culture and crowds greater than 200.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDSJ-Aj43oE

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 7 September 2023 02:41 (seven months ago) link

My first impressions with the event back in 2011 made me feel it was closer to something like Pride in that it allowed a safe space for people to celebrate and explore their personal identities and express themselves in ways regular society wouldn't normally allow.

well, Pride did eventually turn into a self emasculated self congratulatory corporate jerk circle, but it still provides a safe space for people - but mostly because a lot of us still carry the spirit of what it’s supposed to be.

scanner darkly, Thursday, 7 September 2023 02:50 (seven months ago) link

For me, a big part of the attraction of being in the desert is being away from other people.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:13 (seven months ago) link

When I was growing up in the desert we had our own version of Burning Man called Getting High in a Wash.

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:16 (seven months ago) link

Is there a lot of crossover between BM and all those Survival Research Labs / Re/Search San Francisco types from the 80s? Seems like the one could have grown out of the other to some extent but I don't know if any of the same people have been involved.

I spent too long trying to write sensible SF (Matt #2), Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:18 (seven months ago) link

xp Yeah, one of my closest friends grew up in Palos Verdes, they used to go out to Joshua Tree and do shrooms.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:19 (seven months ago) link

xp yes

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Thursday, 7 September 2023 15:22 (seven months ago) link

"the high desert"

cracked fixed view mire (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 7 September 2023 16:28 (seven months ago) link

Most of my distaste for BM comes from

1) having to work on an Art of Burning Man museum show. The art was terrible and most of the artists were incredibly disrespectful assholes high on their own supply. I realize this is a common criticism of artists but ime it's usually around 30%, not the 95% that the burners were and the art is rarely so empty as theirs.

2) maybe social media posts aren't representative of the BM "culture" as a whole but I've seen so much gross cultural appropriation in burner fashion (white dreads, warbonnets, etc) and events (white people leading a kecak dance) that are enough to put me off the event entirely.

That said, I know a few perfectly nice people who go regularly and don't pull that shit.

Octo, I'd love to check out your sound installations if they ever happen somewhere other than the playa! An old coworker of mine used to throw a desert sound art festival down near Joshua Tree, though not sure if he's brought it back since COVID hit.

Chyiv Kyiv (Fetchboy), Thursday, 7 September 2023 20:16 (seven months ago) link

Whoa that's cool! - I'm currently working on some synesthetic stuff with LEDs but I'm actually getting paid for it, so won't be out on the playa or at an art exhibit per se, but next time I get some more time for personal projects I would love to revisit the ideas I had pre-pandemic or expand on them in a different way using more creative visualizations.

octobeard, Friday, 8 September 2023 01:05 (seven months ago) link

xp Yeah, one of my closest friends grew up in Palos Verdes, they used to go out to Joshua Tree and do shrooms.

What year are we talking about here? One of my friends from high school was from Palos Verdes, shroomed, and rock climbed all over Joshua Tree (and the southwest)

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 8 September 2023 05:34 (seven months ago) link

Early 80s.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 8 September 2023 17:43 (seven months ago) link

The date tracks... maybe we have mutual friends? I knew a guy named Rick S.: he played bass in a punk band that I played guitar in. One of our better gigs was when we crashed a giant RPV/Palos Verdes Estates graduation party with all our instruments "hi we're the band" "oh cool, set up over there - beer kegs are in the back"

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 8 September 2023 22:04 (seven months ago) link

Is there a lot of crossover between BM and all those Survival Research Labs / Re/Search San Francisco types from the 80s? Seems like the one could have grown out of the other to some extent but I don't know if any of the same people have been involved.

when I first became aware of burning man in the mid-late 90's that exactly who was associated with it.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 8 September 2023 22:07 (seven months ago) link

yeah, I think I almost assumed the BM was an offshoot or somehow related to SRL, they used to blow shit up in the desert all the time back then

I saw Vale from ReSearch fairly recently, at a festival.. someone told me he's 79 or something like that!

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 8 September 2023 22:21 (seven months ago) link

^^^^ He IS 79 and played keys in Blue Cheer before they went power trio

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 8 September 2023 22:22 (seven months ago) link

Found an old web site for the Tales Of San Francisco Cacophony book, and the link list is a who's who of early pre-playa BM

http://talesofsfcacophony.com

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 8 September 2023 22:36 (seven months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I'm neither a burner nor an electrician, but for some reason, Facebook just gave me Burning Man Generators and Electrical Systems as a recommended group.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1627137627565692/?ref=share&mibextid=Na33Lf

peace, man, Sunday, 24 September 2023 10:49 (six months ago) link

The comments in that group read like NextDoor Burning Man

Irina Krapiva
worst neighbors ever!!! invest in your generator! it was 90 dc at the end of our camp and we were across from you!

this is stupid to drive electric vehicle and then use old generator with tons of exhaust and super loud to charge your truck and the suck energy from it. You got feedback from other neighbors as well, hope you reconsider for next time and I hope you won't be my neighbors.

Sandra Jurado
@Irina Krapiva As first-time burners, we definitely learned a lot and have lots to reconsider for next time. We are hoping to share what we learned so other first-timers will have a smoother (and quieter) experience than we did.
- Your Sincerely Apologetic Loud-Ass Neighbors

Nick Radell
@Irina Krapiva speaking as an old school type of player, I can only point out that one unattended moment with the offending genny and a sugar cube, will cure all problems for everyone.

Irina Krapiva
@Nick Radell at some moment I was seriously considering sugar cubes 😜 but this year was pain enough to cause even more.

Thanks God other neighbors also complained about loud generator and guys turned it off for a few hours. The first night they run it all day and night as well, which was insane. Later they switched to day hours 🤨 (5-6 hours every single day!) which was still too much.

If I were at their place I would move out of that area to a place with less people and run generator as much as they want.

It was obviously not very pleasant for them as well to get dirty looks from all sides.

Ernie Workman
@Nick Radell Sugar isn't soluble in gasoline. It's a myth that it causes serious engine damage. Especially for non fuel-injected engines, it would at most clog a fuel filter or land in the float bowl, which would be an easy fix. I appreciate the sentiment though, attempting to destroy someone's means of leaving the playa instead of simply chatting with your neighbors is sure in the spirit of Burning Man.

China Wilson
@Nick Radell vandalism definitely the way to resolve problems🙄

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 24 September 2023 11:30 (six months ago) link

I met someone on Friday night who went there this year for the first time and had a great time.
Heard a podcast a couple of days earlier that talked about the rich glomming onto a successful festival over teh years and it largely being them who had had trouble this year and had the wrong attitude to the thing anyway.
Also talked about the expectation that people went to Burning man for the bands which I hadn't been aware of the festival enough not to think.

Stevo, Sunday, 24 September 2023 11:53 (six months ago) link

I gotta mention too that there’s some seriously impressive portable solar rigs in that Facebook group.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 24 September 2023 12:50 (six months ago) link

three months pass...

Your points are literally unhinged subjective biases (the music and art sucks boo!)


took me a while but I’m just here for the new board description

poster of sparks (rogermexico.), Friday, 19 January 2024 22:58 (three months ago) link

Lol

Pictish in the Woods (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 20 January 2024 20:08 (three months ago) link

glad to be of some use around here

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 20 January 2024 23:59 (three months ago) link


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