Queer Eye For The Straight Guy WTF

http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/ile/clowell.jpg

Now, if they could rerun the episodes I miss on the weekend, that's good with a bag of crisps.

Also, how about this? I heard something about how the main guy in the show is now saying that is was horrible and mean or something like that.
http://www.bravotv.com/Boy_Meets_Boy/

May I say how much I adore this guy? Thankyouvery much:>

Since QE debuted on Bravo, I've been glued to my set every Tuesday night. Imagine gay guys that actually have fashion sense;>

Teeny: If you thought Butch was funny, just wait til they show you the Staten Island cop with the hot model girlfriend(!) that has to be taught to show her a good time....

True, but when was the last time you saw Jesus clad in Prada?

just is not good enough. Tracer is OTM - just about every gay guy i know falls into the category Tracer suggests and to add inslut to injury they talk/ dress/think the same. listen to the same Music etc. it's depressing. Maybe i just dont know the right ones but i have LOOKED HARD for a long time.

I respect your opinion (and your Freudian slip), but how can you assume every gay guy acts the same---unless you surveyed the entire nation?

odd how nobody on english tv has picked up on the fact that we had a version of this that started a week or two before the american version started called 'Brian's Boyfriends', especially odd as one of the people who hasn't noticed is also a fellow big brither winner. english version is very cheap and goes out after in wee small hours.

andy

Wait a minute...is this the same supercutie who went to the Kentucky Derby with y'all?

Teeming Massive Inch?

It's Millar's thread, btw.

"Master Perry's Guide to Female Happiness, Part Infinity."

Hello.

I wish they'd all go away, especially that Carson guy. I mean, they're everywhere now. No, wait, the food guy's OK.

Bad Caribbean bordello chic. Bleh.

So they're doing Oprah-style makeovers then? Do they also now look ten years older than they looked before the makeovers?

No, it'll be straight guys teaching gay men how to play football or whatever.

I think it's interesting that they now show the fab five interacting with the kids in the household, which they didn't before. Also they obv have a bigger budget, which is kinda neat but kinda dud because it's just that much more unrealistic.

http://www.straighteye.com/ (and Josh is interviewed!)

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/living/7259780.htm

I love this show. I'm more than happy to ignore the hataz and watch this show as many times as I possibly can. Not just for Thom, mind. ;)

OH YES, AND SOUNDTRACK ALERT! SOUNDTRACK ALERT! Not ONLY does it include a remix of a brand new song by my Beloved Boys From Birmingham (which I think is ALMOST as good as the original), it also includes an amazing mashup featuring Fischerspooner and Billy Squier.

http://www.livingtv.co.uk/queereyeuk/

Convulsing with laughter, people. Convulsing with laughter.
(Though I am highly interested in this British treatment. Ha. So BBC America better pick it up if they know what's good for them. *snort*)

What Not to Wear Australia got the chop.

And they were encouraging Butch to double denim!

It's no more stereotypical than Trinny and Susannah are. Which is to say it IS, but screeching TV bitchy media fashion harpies are the same whether they are boys or girls. And rah rah for them in this context of fab telly, so WTF, who cares.

It was still on? I haven't heard anyone mention it in over a year.

IT'S ALIVE!!

Straw poll, which episode DIDN'T make you cry all your human tears.
How many of Karamo's bomber jackets do you wish you had (answer: all of them)
Why is Antoni so pretty.
And other important matters.

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2018-02/19/5/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane-01/sub-buzz-7381-1519037682-1.jpg?downsize=715:*&output-format=auto&output-quality=auto

I read that the standup comedian shut-in guy took down his website because he 'wasn't ready for all that' and Karamo was v heartbroken.
That guy seemed more like he was perhaps on the spectrum? I dunno, I think Antoni was the only one of all of them who was like, 'um this isn't going to be as straightfoward as you think guys'

The firehouse trainer reminded me of Ron Swanson, especially the way he giggled his face off at pranking Tan with the pen

I like how hstencil said years ago what I was thinking, that they should've cast a bear on the show.

The bedsit comedian guy was my least favorite of everyone.

Jonathan is one of the greatest people that's ever been on TV. He's hysterical and shameless. I pretty much only persevered with latter seasons of GoT so I could watch his Gay of Thrones sketches.

I've watched 7 season of RuPaul's Drag Race in the last 2 months so I am super glad they have a Jonathan on the show. His hair is so shiny.

Jonathan took me a bit to warm up to, that first episode YAAAASSS YAAAASSS YAAAASS YAAAAAS was like LaGanja all over again minus the bad attitude. But he’s such a sweetheart that it didnt take me long

Karamo & the Superman firefighter in the final episode was everything, so funny

And oooh when the sweet gay guy walked out shirtless in his harness and they’re all O_O jaws on the floor and Antoni’s like “does anyone else need a drink?” hilarious

I would never get married... but I would totally marry Antoni at first sight.

I'd probably marry Karamo as well tbh.

Jonathan is genuinely interested in getting people to feel good about themselves, and not just the subject of the episode but the wives, the kids, the barflys, everyone.

;_;

http://www.newnownext.com/tom-from-thequeer-eye-premiere-is-no-longer-with-abby/02/2018/

The "Trump-voting cops are people too!" episode did not make me cry.

The Trump voting cop and his friends... I was like, sooooo these guys pretty much would wear a diaper all day if they could.

Hot.

The opening with Karamo getting pulled over was very misjudged.

karamo : bomber jackets :: antoni : strokes t-shirts

strokes A Little Life t-shirts

Jonathan is genuinely interested in getting people to feel good about themselves, and not just the subject of the episode but the wives, the kids, the barflys, everyone.

I love how, if people are a bit taken aback by him, that just makes him double down with the Jonathan-ness, where someone else might soft-pedal it.

I read that the standup comedian shut-in guy took down his website because he 'wasn't ready for all that' and Karamo was v heartbroken.

I am watching that episode now, and I'm finding it pretty difficult. He's so very closed in. And he and his brother really seem to hate each other.

Yeah, the below average joe episode was confusing. Something weird was going on with him.

My immediate feeling when they decided to move him to the basement was that the parents don't want him in the basement, because they reckon they will never get rid of him if he's not trapped in his childhood bedroom right next door to them.

In fairness though, I did get this theory from a storyline on Gilmore Girls, so it might not be correct.

At the very beginning when they said he was a comedian and then they met him... I was like, duuuude...no. Someone needs to register him at a temp agency.

yeah there were weird vibes between him & the brother.

NSFW!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2DLl945PVU&t=3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2DLl945PVU

?

ok!

His hair is glorious in that video.

Tan's husband is mormon! AJ sold his condo right after?!?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/ailbhemalone/xx-things-you-didnt-know-about-queer-eye?bfsource=bbf_enus&utm_term=.bhnPVb4G#.kwKOyY0J

I don't think I like people scamming the Fab Five like that.

The inevitable side effect of bettering people's lives through material possessions.

I say that as someone who likes the new version.

Well, he's engaged..so life changes. I mean half of the time during the show I am really weighing whether these guys deserve the QE treatment or not.

ugh the cop episode. i grew up not far from there and he was like so many dudes i knew. always crying about their dad, afraid to do anything uncomfortable (congrats for putting a fucking suit on and taking your family out!) and a nice unhealthy group of friends to shotgun budwiesers with.

It's a bunch of grown up Bobby HIlls that never stopped eating deli meat even though it gave him gout.

Antoni's best look

https://i.imgur.com/zlHABI5.png

Wait ... what?!

https://www.out.com/popnography/2018/3/13/tom-queer-eye-just-got-engaged

quite the rollercoaster for Tom!
yay

Hmmm... I am glad they are back together but side eye on that tweet announcing the engagement.

YAAAAAAAAAAS QUEEN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Gh0LRdKu4

oh good, even more crying

:D

I love that they removed the "straight guy" from the title and opened it up.

https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/hanes1.jpg

(it's probably for the best that that's a link)

^^^ Whoever cast the Queer Eye guys deserves all the peace prizes.

so does whoever put Antoni in Hanes.

Yass is a hole btw.

i think i know what you mean but what do you mean T?

I mean Yass, the town they filmed this bit in for the stupif "yas queen" joke, is a hole. A shithole of a town.

I am shockingly excited that S2 is on netflix already. A reprieve from the world right now.

Only just now realized that this show has only been on when the prez has been GOP.

I was bleh on the first cast but I really love, love this one. Or maybe I just got old.

Things just keep getting better.

i remember carson from the show's first time around being pretty great but yeah the cast this time around are so awesome

just started season two and ready to bawl my eyes out at least once tbh

I have one episode left and I am saving it for a bad day. All of them are so good at their job. I am seriously impressed by how well they understand and communicate with every person. (super over that Persian guy though)

JVN needs a line of hair products. His hair is amazing.

can we get mama tammye her own show pls

truth bomb

apart from his gorge hair i like that Jonathan goes for very low key grooming for himself as opposed to what a lot of gay men do. his beard is not sculpted, which is best. I just love Jonathan so much.

he actually looks the least groomed of all of them (hair excepted)

i watched s2 e1
i cried all my human tears & then they turned into butterflies & flew away
omg mamma Tammye is a treasure

i legit sobbed at the end of ep 2

yeah the one-two of tammye’s little speeches to each of the fab five followed by her sermon was super-powerful

I had to lol at Tan recommending yet another rolled up sleeve to the first dude he took to the menswear store.

Idk, I'm not feeling this season as much as the first. The novelty has worn off and now it seems quite formulaic and designed to wring as much emotion as possible out of almost every scene. It's almost banal at times and full of platitudes. Jonathan will say "yasssss" about 100x an episode. Karamo will say "you got this" to motivate some timid schlub. Tan will give bad, basic fashion advice. Bobby will put some tacky Live Laugh Love art up and make the house look like a million other reno shows, and Antoni will zhuzh up a toasted sandwich or w/e. They put up a series of inspirational meme quotes including Buddha and Rumi, rmde.

The worst was on s1 tho when Bobby whacked up several inspirational quote prints in the new place for the dweeb comedian, and then I noticed they'd used the same one in one of the apartments that was hanging up in the Fab 5 apartment. Like maybe try a litle harder and mix it up a bit instead of having these terrible empty Walmart prints shouting affirmations at people.

Antoni is whatever, he's hot and nice. Karamo moves stuff along. I think Bobby, Tan and JVN have done amazing work and I don't get tired of their shtick ( I think I only saw 1-2 things that I didn't like about of what Tan recommended). These subjects are so dire that they kind of make me a little mad sometimes; I accidentally feel like I understand what Jordan Peterson is so aggro about with guys needing to clean their rooms.

I was actually wondering what the reno budget was for each episode.

omg u guys

Happy Father’s Day to an amazing man, @KaramoBrown
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— William Mahnken (@SilverLimePhoto) June 17, 2018

I don't know what it is about William but I can definitely picture him wearing a fedora

omg, you guys i'm like totally qiqing right now!

let's have a qiqi

(lock the doors tight)

Jonathan will say "yasssss" about 100x an episode.

If I have any problem with season two, it's that there is not enough of this, not that there is too much. One of my favourite episodes from last season was the one with the really big family who clearly didn't have much money, and watching Jonathan goof around in Target with them, buying little cases for all their hairbrushes, and seeing how much they just loved his shtick, was great fun. This season is a bit too issue-y for me. Too much crying and hugging, not enough firemen being forced to learn to dance.

That was an endearing scene, but apart from that there's just something cringey about recycling a catchphrase that's already a little unfashionable. Aren't they supposed to be ahead of the curve or something? It makes me think of Broad City, the way Ilana says it ad nauseam. Apparently Jonathan explains to a straight guy later in the season that "yas queen" is a "major slogan for the gays". I think he means basic gays? There's something about how it's been taken out of the drag world and normalised, but also presented in this trite sort of way. I guess it's still fresh for normies so it's easier for him to get away with it.

I know I'm coming across like the bitchy BFFs from that episode of High Maintenance, but it still bugs me. I know Eureka says it a lot on the current season of RuPaul too, and it's like yes girl we get it you learned a catchphrase now pls stfu.

Yas queen isn't that common yet. It's not like hot mess or fierce which became common a decade ago?

I don't know, living in major cities I always try to really keep perspective that most of the country is not up to date on design blogs or queer slang.

Pray tell what cutting edge queer catchphrases the show could have included and helped mainstream faster.

I am assuming that is for qiqing.

I'm not saying they need to use up to date catchphrases, asshole, it's that the one Jonathan is using is embarrassingly overused, kind of falling out of fashion, and comes across as trite. So I'd prefer no catchphrases than one which has already had its moment. xpost

And I get that for many people this may be an unfamiliar phrase, however we're hearing it pretty much every episode, multiple times. It's one of those catchphrases that's effective when used sparingly, but if you're using it over and over again, when it's that conspicuous, it's going to get annoying pretty fast.

I'm not saying they need to use up to date catchphrases, asshole

Ooh, thank you! I wasn't aware that the vanguard queers had coined "asshole" as what relics like me are still calling "the new hotness."

I'm reasonably confident "Miss Vanjie" will make its way into the first S3 episode.

hope so babe

fyi I also dislike the self satisfied milking of Vanjie on RuPaul. Even that has almost had its moment, and I didn't think Ru got it as much as some other people or mined it very effectively. It was an internet thing and then Ru ran with that and then kind of pandered to people that thought the mere mention of Vanjie was hilarious, when it was all about the delivery and peculiarity of the moment. Ru tried to mimic it and claim some of the glory and it fell flat. It actually wouldn't surprise me if it showed up on Queer Eye next season.

god i feel like Morbs even though i'm pretty sure Eric is being dickish

it’s ok if stuff annoys you but also:

i think a lot what seems overused & behind the times or even basic/provincial to you & more urbane viewers may be totally cutting edge to another portion of viewers ie lots of normcore ppl watch the show too i think

xpost I dunno, the show is trying to appeal to a broad/mainstream to include conservative audience without hiding that queerness runs a spectrum of personalities. I think it's successful. I do agree there are a lot more possibly forced tears this season but I think the clothes, renovations and grooming have been on point. Basic but nice and modern, easily likeable.

I was in love with that green bedroom. And the new space for that 18 yr old.

Yeah, if you pause the show and it goes to the restart screen that screen shows an image of a box of tissues with the five guys on it!

I'm being somewhat wilfully dickish yes, but that's kind of how these cultural signposts work. Nearly every other line in any ep of RPDR is a direct steal from Paris is Burning, nearly 30 years later.

Also, the original Queer Eye did this all the time too. I still remember, with a cringe, when Carson talked about how women have to shave their chochas.

otm

Yeah and I get that too about RPDR. I understand he's supposedly paying homage and don't even really mind shameless copying, but that gets a bit tired too. I think Paris is Burning is well known enough in mainstream culture that people recognise when he's lifting from it, but sometimes I think he leans too heavily on it for someone that emphasises the importance of uniqueness.

I agree, Carey. I think the clothes and grooming have improved to suit the people's styles. Not so sure about the renovation. I think they're nice enough but there's still something a little bit too design mag or design store catalogue about them. I'm kind of quibbling though, they're pretty much always improvements on what people had. I guess I just fundamentally disagree with some of the choices Bobby makes.

lol at giving that fuckin kid who lied to his mom abt graduating college a white couch, burn

signs that ilx has damaged yr brain #461: impossible to see the phrase 'white couch' without thinking of gear's roommate's adventures in buttsecks

I knew I'd seen Clarkston talked about somewhere before.

I think Paris is Burning is well known enough in mainstream culture that people recognise when he's lifting from it,

i don't think so. i honestly don't even think the stupider contestants on RPDR even know what paris is burning is so i doubt the wider public do. actually RPDR needs to just burn, at this point.

I can see where you think the renovations are a little too one dimensional. People tend to still really like motivational words in frames or on walls though (I blame Keep Calm and Carry On for all of that). Plus it's cheap. RPDR has gone downhill right? I stopped after Sasha Velour won but have been thinking about catching another season. I think people recognize that a movie called Paris is Burning exists (especially because of Madonna) but I don't think a lot of people have watched it in the most recent decade. I am honestly surprised how little so many contestants prepare for the show. Take a sewing class at Joanne's. c'mon.

And seriously what was up with the persian dude. Was he a stoner or just a scammer?

i don't think so. i honestly don't even think the stupider contestants on RPDR even know what paris is burning is so i doubt the wider public do. actually RPDR needs to just burn, at this point.

LOL, that reference you were mad about no one knowing about from a few weeks back. Literally no one knew about it. You're being ridiculous.

don't be rude, Eric. I wasn't talking about that. It needs to burn for a whole host of other reasons.

Yerac I think a lot of both

Really truly charmed by eps 1-3 of season 2 yesterday. Feeling Tan, especially after someone else twitted him for having no feelings. Right there with you, buddy. Us hearts of ice gotta stick together.

Also I don't watch RPDR but it has been a big support for an acquaintance of mine whose son is one of the currently feted "drag kids." So whatever that show can do for people, it should go right ahead and do it.

I love Tan. Especially after reading that he really, really didn't want to do the show and he seems so vital to it now.

I've had some issues with RPDR but it also probably comes from me watching all past seasons only this year (so all of the terminology for femininity, like serving fish, fishiness, tilapia, whatever is annoying). I am glad Tan acknowledged that under the umbrella of LGBTQ, there is a lot that each group does not know about each other. See also: how poorly Rupaul handled the questions about trans applicants to the show.

Absolutely. We are family, but every family has relatives that simply don't get along.

Tan is great

Also, I started going grey as a teenager and now my hair is prolly 75% grey so I like how he rocks it youthfully. I prolly have another 10 years before I even think about letting it all grow out.

I liked the Burning Man dude a lot and after a lackluster beginning, that episode had good results, especially on the grooming front. The fashion styling was a bit poor I thought. But seriously what is the point of Antoni this season other than as eye candy? I mean a bowl of peanut something with coriander and onions jfc.

Oh I hated Antoni's nut thing. Wet and spicy nuts, with falling herbs to eat with your hands??? Insanity.

Can we all agree that the interiors guy is the only one doing anything like heavy lifting out of the five?

yass.

antoni should just use the time to teach these dorks how to cook eggs properly, or how to grill a steak properly, simple hearty food cooked well, but that would make for boring tv prob

i also liked burning man dude a lot and empathized with his midlife crisis but lol reno, close call there

actually n/m the consistently funniest part of this show is watching these ppl walk into their new remodeled awesome kitchen and then antoni teaches them how to put peanuts in a bowl or something similarly lame

otm

stolen fom twitter: (theres a million versions of this joke now but this one made me lol)

Bobby : ok so I spent 250,000$ renovating your house

Karamo : let’s talk feelings and see the real you. The true you

Tan : I just spent 17,000$ on new clothes for you !

Jonathan: here’s a beautiful haircut!

Antoni : HeRE HoW U MaKe GrILLeD CHeEZ 🤪

Yup. Antoni is there for masturbation. That's why he's there.

lol

no wankshaming here obv but i find antoni’s resemblance to john mayer deeply distressing

bandana necklace vs bandana belt

Yeah, I find Antoni hot only sometimes. I couldn't figure out who he was reminding me of that made me think warm milk (was thinking Orlando Bloom or the guy from 50 Shades), but it's ^^^John Mayer.

noooooo

https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpeopledotcom.files.wordpress.com%2F2018%2F03%2Fantoni-porowski-john-mayer-2.jpg&w=2200&q=70

I think Antoni is hot in still photography and in slow motion sometimes. In regular motion, total john mayer vibe.

he looked really pretty with eyeliner

the episode with the burner guy seemed odd to me -- i didn't like the matchmaker angle. otherwise he seemed like an alright dude, esp compared with the guy who lied to his mom and spat pumpkin seeds all day. yikes.

On a few occasions I've thought the show opened up some topics that maybe could have been unpacked more but were interesting anyway. Like in the Mama Tammye ep, where Bobby won't go in the church and Karamo keeps insisting that the church is a supportive, nurturing place for him...yes, because one of you is a person of color who has experienced church communities serving & prioritizing different needs and identities. So in Karamo's experience, the Black church holds space and represents safety and community for its members even when their other identities complicate the relationship, and in Bobby's, the church is the abuser who traumatizes.

The ex-evangelical fb group I lurk on was not having the "all is forgiven" angle on this ep--they've collectively experienced too much trauma. Many of them have been ostracized, shunned, etc, and mistrust the feel-good line about being "loved" but not "affirmed." ("Affirmed" meaning, having LGBTQ life spiritually & theologically supported and not just tolerated among the congregants.) The ex-vies didn't want Tammye's son to go back at all.

Another good point was how at-risk a lot of the cast feel when they leave the metropolitan area and go out into more "red state" rural areas, and they all observed that Antoni can be more comfortable there because he's more straight-passing as opposed to "Big Gay Jesus" (lol Jonathan). The show kept it moving and didn't talk about this more but I liked that it was acknowledged.

yah Laurel I agree it's interesting however it can seem pretty facile when it's in the service of achieving these neat feel good resolutions. Like yay you're accepted now, all is well, except I couldn't help scanning the congregation's faces for signs of reluctance or disapproval. Don't think I spotted many sideeyes or frowns or raised eyebrows, but some of them didn't seem too happy about it and I always wonder what happens once the cameras stop rolling and they resume their normal lives.

Why do they insist on having these neat resolutions anyway? I know it makes for more acceptable viewing but it contradicts some of what they say about how long it has taken them to find acceptance or confidence to be themselves or true catharsis. I would have thought they might have been more supportive of people finding their tribe or w/e, so they can give the finger to people that wouldn't have them before and probably aren't going to change their views once they're out of the spotlight. I kind of like how some of the participants (probably unintentionally) subvert the show by not following aspects of their advice, so you get these awkward, very real moments. I'd like to see an episode where you get enough of those moments that it leads to disaster or someone just gets rejected, but I can't see that happening because it would require the Fab Five to be cool with their advice being more or less rejected too.

This just means we need more episodes, NOW.

hey guys, does anyone fancy some peanuts in vinegar with onion and herbs to be eaten with the bare hand?

i agree qiqi, i'd like to see that too.

i wasn't being sarcastic there, btw.

Those peanuts may be more ridiculous than the gamer guy's lies. I was looking at the Fab 5's faces when he served them back at the loft.

in the burner episode Karemo says (re. burning man) - "i'd judt like to take him to coachella so we can eat grapes and drink champagne in the vip lounge" (paraphrasing) - i'm not entirely sure what burning man is, and google has not helped me very much, but i just thought that was the worst advice possible.

i haven't seen the gamer episode yet! xpost.

i want to see these peanuts

I have never been to burning man, but I imagine it's like the movie Wicker Man except naked dirty people on drugs.

I don't know if he's a real gamer, I just got tired of calling him the persian guy.

that sounds excellent though. xp

it certainly sounds a lot better than being in the vip lounge at coachella.

That's why that dude was so into it. I was like "i'm sure Burning Man is the highlight of your year, you crunchie ass mofo."

"way harsh, Tai"

Burner dude ep was maybe more low-key subtle in terms of resolutions but I thought it was kind of nice & i liked that him & the lady got together

Gamer guy ep: while I wanted to kick him more often than look at him, there’s something about the way they use a very mild “tough love” to shake them but dont spend too much time letting them wallow in their depressive situations. I do like that they point out the high level of expectation that comes with their specific heritage/family situations, to understand how you get from there to here. (Thinking about the Kim Thayil looking dude from s1, same kinda deal.)

Like, the Fabs cant turn these dudes into unkickable winners in a week, but the fact that they try & they dont mollycoddle them a lot is good. imo. Marginal gains.

like they never go too far into oh poor you with the shutin losers. it’s alway more OH HELL NO HONEY which i love

"And I know you love Burning Man so I've knocked down your mansion and built you a yurt. You're welcome."

lol

Arian the liar was so... blank. He had no personality!

His episode was almost unwatchable for me. So cringey whenever he just talked out his ass.

reminded me of dudes i knew in college & a few kids i taught. that kind of instinctive lying is so frustrating

I mean, was he just high!? I couldn't figure it out either. They kept saying he was smart and I was like "..."

FWIW, their Pride playlists on Spotify...

ANTONI: https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX5nluNjMjoM0?si=hfkAZ8CGQsS_g9RGv0PGxg
KARAMO: https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DXbHwYW9IUCXA?si=KoPwCnAlRSe_wQCZUwl5eQ
JONATHAN: https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DWTarG7u0F62S?si=pbC0QDrhTveIdOS-9rJzDA
BOBBY: https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX0AFojabHxv3?si=Hdij9IWhR5utphEzZtwopA
TAN: https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX6G79ZQrQjvV?si=yDn0SFe7Rm6xHXOMJhDLYw

i spent mayor ted's episode trying to think who his #resistancebeard made him look like and finally i realised it was... varg vikernes :(

'hi, i'm the mayor of clarkston, georgia and i'm also a neo-nazi murderer'

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/74/ab/9d/74ab9d302f2bbf919dcbad123d4581e4.jpg

that beard was nasty.

it was disconcertingly pubelike, yeah

you could see through it from the side, I didn’t like that

I met a guy recently who had a full beard that was pretty unkempt, and he was also a smoker.
The lower 1/4 inch of hair on his upper lip was stained yellow from nicotine and it was so gross I nearly threw up.

all I could think of was that picture from Roald Dahl's The Twits
https://thetwits14.weebly.com/uploads/2/8/9/1/28911313/4641890.jpg?394

welp that’s my weekend ruined

The singer songwriter pianist/tragic home school victim really reminded me of a Bruce mcolloch character from kids in the hall

i loved that Sean so much, he was so corny & sweet. and bobby working so hard to include the godmother was such a beautiful, insightful gesture - the others kind of pivoted him away from her but bobby was smart enough to know what she would be going through as much as Sean.

Sean reminded me of one of my good friends from high school. he had much older parents, elderly really compared to ours, and all of his brothers & sisters were grown up & had moved out long ago. his personality, his dress, was 20 years older than he was & he had such a hard time in school. he was the loveliest guy though. it’s like you get preserved in amber & it can be very hard to break out of that if you don’t have outside help.

Ok I take back most of what I wrote earlier. Just watched the full season and they won me over again. Jonathan wasn't actually annoying at all and seems to have reduced the frequency of yasses. He's pretty hilarious sometimes.

<3 <3 <3

I watched the online episode in Yass. It was really weird. I didn't quite understand why they flew them out there and then did a weird abbreviated episode.

ANTONI: https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX5nluNjMjoM0?si=hfkAZ8CGQsS_g9RGv0PGxg
KARAMO: https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DXbHwYW9IUCXA?si=KoPwCnAlRSe_wQCZUwl5eQ
JONATHAN: https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DWTarG7u0F62S?si=pbC0QDrhTveIdOS-9rJzDA
BOBBY: https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX0AFojabHxv3?si=Hdij9IWhR5utphEzZtwopA
TAN: https://open.spotify.com/user/spotify/playlist/37i9dQZF1DX6G79ZQrQjvV?si=yDn0SFe7Rm6xHXOMJhDLYw

― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Thursday, 21 June 2018 14:31 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tan should post to ilx

bobby should not be allowed to do this again

also i'd like to echo everyone saying that this series comes to a crashing halt in ep 6. watching that vile arian guy shrugging off the enthusiasm of the fab five like they'd just told him to tie his shoelaces or something was gross. shouldn't have screened the episode

first five episodes lovely tho

Playing devil's advocate for a moment, was it really that bad? Yeah he was a typical entitled, inconsiderate gamer slob, but they actually did a decent job of calling out his lies and forcing him to admit at least some responsibility, which for that kind of 24(?) year old dude is some achievement. Also he seemed quite appreciative of what they had done for him. I think he was just very insecure and avoidant, which isn't surprising for someone of that age, and because he's able to easily hide from people for most of the day and probably only has superficial interactions at clubs and bars, he never really has anyone confronting him, and appears to be hanging out with a crowd of bros, whom would probably subscribe to "no drama", "chill bro" principles, despite their own disappointments which they only indirectly expressed through the show. He ignored Tan's advice about dressing, which Tan strongly disapproved of, but he's hardly the first to do that, and if you go back to Tom from S1, wasn't he basically dressed in an unbuttoned shirt over a t-shirt, looking about 40 years too old for those clothes? I know a more formal dinner should require a more formal shirt, but would you and should you expect someone of that age to follow all of their advice? Especially in that more casual sort of crowd. He definitely has some growing up to do but I think he took at least a few steps, and he also has the advantage of watching the show to be able to see how he comes across and what might be endorsed or disapproved of by others.

imago, i sent you a webmail through ilx about a month ago. did you get it? it's cool if you got it and didn't feel like replying!

I hate this show, Scott Thompson otm

What’s also remarkable about Buddy is how he’s a counterweight to the Queer Eye for the Straight Guy vision of homosexuality.
Please, don’t … ugh.

Those depictions have historically communicated that being gay means a million different stereotypical things having to do with fashion and decorating and lisps and all that bullshit. But, in reality, the only definitional aspect of being gay is attraction to men. In an infuriating irony, that sexual impulse is the one thing those kinds of characters aren’t allowed to talk about.
Totally. And it castrates us. Queer Eye for the Straight Guy was part of the castration of gay males in the last 20, 30 years. In order for us to be accepted, we had to give up our dicks. You can dress it up all you like, but deep down, that’s what being gay is about: fucking. Even our move towards gay marriage is a weird trade-off. When people said, “Love wins!” it’s like, no — sex wins. Love did not win. Fucking won. You’ve always been allowed to love whoever you want. You have not been allowed to fuck who you want. I’m going to get in trouble for saying that, but that’s the truth.

But, in reality, the only definitional aspect of being gay is attraction to men.

for the most part, this is total bullshit fwiw, and i spend a fair bit of time around a lot of gays.

that's what masc for masc guys want to you think. in about 1% of occasions i could say that "there's nothing gay about that guy other than that he likes men and likes fucking them"

masc for masc guys

that seems like an odd characterization of scott thompson but idk

in the other 99% of times they are gay in ways other than fucking and that includes having good taste, being good at design, being bitchy, being camp or sarcastic or whatever.

idk who scott thompson is but he's wrong.

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having good taste, being good at design, being bitchy, being camp or sarcastic or whatever

there's nothing inherently gay about any of these things. Thompson's perspective is generally in line with the Gore Vidal truism that there are no homosexual people, only homosexual acts.

that's not a truism.

like thinking lisping is gay or wearing makeup is gay or liking interior design is gay, why enforce these stupid stereotypes that are based on all sorts of historically complicated (and often unpleasant) foundations.

didn't see the webmail yet as i never check the email account it's connected to - will do tomorrow, ty for the heads-up!

fine, replace truism with epigram

xp

imago, I was in Ladywell for a few days and webmailed you to ask if you were around for a drink!

you don't have to go to lisping gays or wearing makeup to find things that define being gay. you're projecting that onto it.

i agree that those things don't define it but neither does fucking but, sure, if you want then scott thompson knows what being gay is and i don't.

ah damn ok! maybe next time, sorry i didn't see it sooner!

i sent my number, stay in touch!

i'm glad we've reached this point because i think the tension between gay and queer identities/roles/stereotypes and the extent of mainstream acceptance and approval of those identities/roles/stereotypes is worth discussing or arguing over. Queer Eye is not really the show to do that though. it's simplistic, it goes for neat resolutions, it's conformist while making slightly risque comments and references to gay practices that make it seem more transgressive than it is. it's for safe gays, it's for gays that still go to church, it's for the gays that revere authority and want to forgive arseholes for being arseholes, the ones that look down on activists and shun them for being too gay or vocal or abnormal and act as gatekeepers for the community. it's for platitudinous gays that like tacky inspirational quotes that sentimentalise everything, it's for gays that are eager to please. and yet it's still enjoyable and has the odd good insight.

when did you get so wise? /gay sarcasm.

that was lame, sorry.

lol

the show now in its reincarnation isn’t nearly as narrowly prescriptive as the original show was

I feel ambivalent/cognitively dissonant about this because I'm finding myself agreeing with some of what Shakey posted but also leaning more toward your perspective, Jed. I'm looking at what I wrote and wondering whether I'm being a massive hypocrite or projecting my insecurities about my own sexuality and the sexuality and expression of others. Whether I'm wanting to view a more normalised, sanitised representation that covers up or glosses over or stereotypically only winks or jokes about anything resembling same sex desire, that's pretending to be more sophisticated, that isn't acknowledging base desires or just being matter of fact about homo fucking. Something that revels in certain stereotypes but almost refuses to admit others. Sometimes i watch something like Queer Eye and it seems positive in its self confidence, but then I can't help but be critical of it and its version of gayness, of what kind of messages it's putting out. Part of me doesn't gaf about them being gay when they're pushing quotes by Rumi etc. That's just a certain kind of sentimentalist.

I agree it has broadened too, Veg.

i didn't think it was hypocritical at all, sorry for my flippant response to your good post(s). i'll respond properly when i'm sober.

No what I mean is I'm looking at what I'm criticising about Queer Eye and whether I've been more or less the same in some respects, I mean with passivity or tacit condoning of people rejecting other people for not being normal enough or whatever. But then I also wonder whether it's always about sexuality. Sometimes it's about them being truly cringeworthy and annoying Amanda Palmer kind of personality types. And they will make it about about sexuality and you'll maybe believe it is, when it's really more about their stupid and annoying traits.

having a Monday session eh? *makes drinky drinky motion*

or r u getting drunk off the power of my posts

sorry that should be what i'm criticising about what i perceive to be a typical gay Queer Eye fan xposts

to interrupt these more thoughtful posts: the thing i struggled with the most in this show is tan being dogmatic about clothes while never being the best dressed of the group (antoni i kiss you and yr neckerchiefs). i want someone to go and make faces at his wardrobe and throw away all his hideous print shirts.

I think Tan dresses well for his build and background.

I think Scott Thompson is wrong in a modern sense. But I can see where he is speaking from (old school, white homosexual man).

My issue with Arian is the same as I have had with a few other subjects, I just hate if scammers get on the show in or people who don't seem worthy (because they seem jerky or ungrateful) of the thousands of dollars in services and stuff. But it's a mutual give and take so whatever.

I have nothing against the Tan shirts, but he has really turned out to be a one-trick pony. He gave Skyler a sparkly jacket, sure, but virtually everything else in the closet was the usual stuff. He hardly takes their personality and tastes into account at all.

dresses well for his background?

He's an english fashion designer, that does mostly women's clothing now. I find hit or miss print shirts like, a trademark.

He knows they love a rolled up sleeve, they just don't know it yet xposts

He's a little guy!

I kind of dig a rolled up sleeve too. Most shirts sold in mainstream stores have terrible cuts/proportions for most people and who has time/$ to tailor everything.

I just got dressed and my t shirt has pre rolled up sleeves. So much better.

I bought my mr veg a fashionable cream-colored tshirt with variegated horizontal stripes for his birthday & he made this face like “youve been watching too much Queer Eye” but it looked good so I feel vindicated

i have never actively bought clothes for mr veg before and tbh idk if i would do it again
feels a bit weird?

I recently talked my husband into rolling his sleeves - he likes short sleeve Patagonia button-downs but I’ve always hated how big and baggy the sleeves are. So much better rolled - yerac otm.

i'm glad we've reached this point because i think the tension between gay and queer identities/roles/stereotypes and the extent of mainstream acceptance and approval of those identities/roles/stereotypes is worth discussing or arguing over.

I agree with this. I identify as "gay" and would get laughed out of the room if I identified as "queer," so

me too and some of my gay friends would be horrified if someone called them queer.

I would be flattered, not horrified, but I know I fall short of the tag.

I will also ask on the gay thread but I would like to know whether or not it is OK in 2018 for straight people to use the term queer? Growing up I was taught (by straight ppl) that this was a derogatory term, like the f word, and not OK for me (cis straight) to use any more than the n word (I'm white).

I finally watched the mayor of Clarkston episode. I really liked the guy and his mayoress.

ok, wtf was Tan playing at in the clothing store? he puts the guy in a light jean with the faked pre-fades that he pairs with a blazer and a black oxford shoe? that is a very bad combo on the lower half particularly. he really has to stop with this "french tuck" too. i have never in my life seen somone with the front of their shirt tucked in but the back hanging out.

his bear was bad, as was noted above, but he really suited a beard (although not that swedish death metal beard/twits beard) and he would have looked better with a properly kempt short beard rather than unshaven. I did not like his haircut, it was better before.

style star of the show was actually the female consul from sierra leone who came for dinner and the older man with the transparent shirt was good as well.

as eric noted above bobby is again doing the "heavy lifting" here.

really lovely couple though!

I agree with this. I identify as "gay" and would get laughed out of the room if I identified as "queer," so

The reason I chucked "queer" in there was because I didn't want to make it all about gay men, when this is a show called "Queer Eye" and has broadened to include makeovers of at least one person that might identify as "queer". That said I basically went on to only talk about gays.

I will also ask on the gay thread but I would like to know whether or not it is OK in 2018 for straight people to use the term queer? Growing up I was taught (by straight ppl) that this was a derogatory term, like the f word, and not OK for me (cis straight) to use any more than the n word (I'm white).

Quincie, I think the answer is some people are ok with it, but some people strongly resent and resist it, for numerous reasons. One being its associations with a certain kind of preciously radical type, like some people might acknowledge that they're different but being brought under the same umbrella as a person with quite different political views and expression, some people don't want to be categorised like that. Another being that some people don't want other people thinking there's something wrong with their sexuality, since even though it's synonymous with "unconventional" and "odd", it's also synonymous with "deviant", "dubious" and "creepy" which obvs have less pleasant connotations. Some people choose to own it, like "yay I'm queer as in freaky and not boring normal", and good for them reclaiming something and using it for empowerment, but it's not necessarily going to sit comfortably for those that struggle to divorce it from other meanings. If you go back to say, b&w noir films, you'll probably hear the word used negatively, as in "there's something queer going on here", like "there's something dodgy and shady and NOT RIGHT going on here", and even though the word is far less commonly used these days to describe something odd or suss, especially by younger people, it's still around, still tied to another use that darkens its meaning. I know "queer" is supposed to be inclusive and celebratory of difference, but sometimes it also comes across as trendy and representative of only a certain section of homosexuality, imo.

Totally agree, Jed! I started regretting saying the clothing had improved. It really hadn't though. I thought initially he was doing ok but then that episode in particular stuck out. I don't think it's very fair to criticise Tan's style as staid. I mean it is, but these aren't usually the most adventurous people, and he's making them more presentable. However, I will agree he does seem to have ignored some of their personal style. The too short trousers on the mayor was nagl. That's a late teen/early 20s look imo, and even then it can look too fashiony. He also should have just had his beard trimmed slightly, because he ended up looking a bit gaunter. He had luscious locks before too! Tan made him look a little bit neo-Nazi, yes, but also kind of 50s or 60s military-preppy. It definitely made him look more severe, but then maybe that's what they were aiming for, so he would get more respect from his councillors, which is kind of what he wanted.

The rolled up sleeve thing is just hilarious because he does it every time, without fail.

It looks ok on some guys but can be a little conspicuous on others. I don't think Tan pays much attention to whether it's going to look more conspicuous on a certain kind of man. I think it's something that on its own is usually fine, but if there's another little fashiony ProTip going on, or some other prominent item of clothing that screams fash, then you're going to look as if you're trying a little too hard.

Lol at all the guys that did this before Tan recommended it and may now feel self-conscious about other people thinking they're aping his style.

I think what I want to say to Quincie, to better answer that question, is yes I think it's more or less ok in 2018 to use the term "queer" as a straight person. It has become more normalised, and is generally seen as a catchall term to describe people of different sexualities, without being an offensive term to the majority of people that identify as non-straight.

God I feel as if I'm mansplaining here, sorry!

However, I would probably be careful about the context in which it's used, and I wouldn't necessarily refer to someone as "a queer" or "queer" if you weren't sure whether they were comfortable with being referred to that way. And don't necessarily assume that the person is being precious because they don't want to accept being termed "queer". There is already a lot of policing and gatekeeping going on about what is and isn't "queer" in the gay community, so people can easily feel alienated by that too.

sorry but the whole french tuck thing is cracking me up too

i secretly want him to keep doing it so i can lol every time as the guy nods and goes "oh ok, huh, guess i never thought of that"

TanJonathan made him look a little bit neo-Nazi, yes, but also kind of 50s or 60s military-preppy.

sorry, didn't mean to post so many times in a row

Oh yeah, the mayor. That was the only clothes that I was against because of the weird trousers for such a tall guy. I don't know if he was going for a Thom Brown look? It just didn't work. And he had a nazi haircut before and after, just shorter. I actually said aloud "he has a nazi haircut, i mean it's a good haircut in general, but yeah..." I like a french tuck. I didn't know it had a name until this show. A lot of shirts are too long and cut off at the bottom too boxy, but tucking it in fully makes you look squat and constanza-y if you don't have the best body.

Fair point. I don't mean to be a judgey dick about it. I don't actually have much of an opinion about how it looks, it's more that Tan has turned it into a thing.

Do you really think he looked like a Nazi with his original hairstyle? I'm not seeing it. Maybe in a slightly Michael Pitt sort of way.

It was the undercut and floppy/long top. I stopped cutting my spouse's hair like that because of all the shit in the world. I am googling to see if Beckham is still wearing fash hair. So many articles on this haircut. But yeah the french tuck is good for belly chub without making you seem totally sloppy.

Thank you for the thoughtful response(s), qq. You weren't mansplaining; I asked because I really wanted an update on current usage parameters! I think that unless I know that a gay person prefers "queer," I would stick with "gay" (for example: a girlfriend meets a coworker and says "oh wow he's cute and nice, is he single? Me: "yes to all, but he's gay" vs. "he's queer").

Which makes me curious as to why the showrunners chose "Queer Eye" and not "Gay Eye," as the Fab Five refer to themselves on camera as "gay guys," not "queer guys."

I like this show for something light and cheerful when my brain is tired. I would kiw each and every one of those guys, they seem like genuinely kind and fun people. Their banter in the truck is my favorite part of the show.

Like, "Big Gay Jesus" still makes me giggle.

french tuck (well, half-tuck) was every video game character in 2007

image example

He is also so on point about where the shoulder seam should fall on shirts. I super like a lot of men's clothes and always think I can wear it (even just men's t shirts) if I buy a S or XS. Nope, the shoulders are always all wrong and gives it away. And the sleeves are stupid boxy/blousey.

his bear was bad, as was noted above, but he really suited a beard (although not that swedish death metal beard/twits beard) and he would have looked better with a properly kempt short beard rather than unshaven. I did not like his haircut, it was better before.

yeah, I was fretting that they were gonna take his whole beard off - as well as suiting him, I thought that as a wee baby attempting to build respect in his community as mayor, a solid but shaped beard would probably help give him some authority amongst older sceptics and non-voters.


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― Οὖτις, Tuesday, June 26, 2018 9:21 AM (yesterday)

Shakey how many gay Scottish comedians are you citing as authorities on this or anything?

(tbf I don't think anyone would take Larry Dean as fashion maven, least of all himself)

i have never actively bought clothes for mr veg before and tbh idk if i would do it again
feels a bit weird?

if you like the results then I recommend trying again? esp if you say "hey I really like you in that shirt" a few times before saying "if yr cool with it I could buy or suggest some others?" and if he's weird about it too then you can both settle into shared discomfort, nbd.

sic that Scott Thompson quote I posted is from an interview where he decries how much he is ignored/ostracized by the larger gay community, despite being relatively famous (on various hit TV shows, etc.) so jed's not knowing who he is has a certain irony

on TV shows in North America

no Larry Sanders or Kids in the Hall in the UK? huh

I bought clothes for my partner once or twice but the fit is hard so I would rather drag him into a store while we are out and pull things out that I think look good.

I know who he is now from podcasts, have never seen an episode of Kids In The Hall, which AFAIK never aired in Australia. watched Larry Sanders dedicatedly, but didn't have any wider context for "the guy who played Hank's assistant after Darlene"

(Larry Dean is the only gay Glaswegian comedian I can think of, because I've seen him do spots in Sydney.)

I would stick with "gay" (for example: a girlfriend meets a coworker and says "oh wow he's cute and nice, is he single? Me: "yes to all, but he's gay" vs. "he's queer")

I don't want to dictate your use of terms like queer when you're just having a conversation with a girlfriend. I think it's just something to be mindful of around gay people, as in when you're addressing them directly, but I suppose if you said to someone else, "he's queer", they could then go "oh yeah quincie said you're queer", which apart from them being like "that bitch quincie!", they might feel a bit weird being referred to as queer. Sometimes it's their own insecurity that they're not comfortable with any of these descriptive terms, but sometimes it's for valid reasons that they don't want to be known as eg queer. I guess you could say the same about "gay" but there's a slight difference in historical usage, imo. I wouldn't worry too much about it. If in doubt and you know someone's gay, you could just ask them what they're comfortable with, if that's even necessary.

Just watched episode 2 and I'm very mad about Antoni's Morningstar slander.

Jonathan's "use those dexterous fingers" was delightful. He'd be a great elementary school teacher -- such specific praise!

Jonathan just owns this interview. (Karamo draws on his hair??? why? He looks great bald.)
http://www.vulture.com/2018/06/queer-eye-interview-sex-politics-call-me-by-your-name.html

I love Jonathan, he’s probably my fave. He just seems like the most authentic one.

I’ve been wondering about the weird matt brown make-up on Karamo’s head all season.

Me too. Weird.

As long as he doesn't go full Sagat:

http://www.vipado.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/sagat-grife-de-moda-t-shirts-underwear.jpg

O_o

That jawline looks tatted too.

I was super confused about that part in the article but I get it now. Karamo had male pattern baldness and filled it in. But the others made him learn to love and accept himself so he shaved his head and is now embracing the bald.

Johnathan went from being my least favorite cast member in S1 to my fave in S2 but I still think he's the worst at his job.

Bobby and Tan are doing the heavy lifting tbh.

I'm very mad about Antoni's Morningstar slander

still haven't started season two but antoni is now my enemy

18 yo songwriter Sean is terrifyingly beautiful and so self-possessed it's just not even fair. It is possible to be that 100% authentic and unguarded if you're a well-nurtured homeschooler uncorrupted by the whole idea of teenage-hood? Or is he secretly psychopathic?

He seemed more off than well-nurtured.

He was freaking me out until he started cooking an omelette.

he was a character all right, buti don't agree with orbit's assessment, to put it mildly.

I was cringing so hard when they took him to paintball or laser tag whatever it was, and the guys had clearly set those teens up - “I like your necklace” “that is a great shirt” etc. he sounded like an AI character out of Black Mirror.

He seemed to loosen up a lot more near the end, once he saw his new place.

he was fine considering the fact of the adoption and the homeschooling and the big liza minelli-ish songs but it kinda seemed to be more about making him actually seem normal in an 18 yo way, obv. yeah, he was a talented guy tho and i wouldn't want all 18 yo's to conform to what 18 yo's are like, but still.

It’s a shame Tan gave him the wardrobe of a 45-year-old.

He previously had the wardrobe of a seventy year-old, though, so I reckon Tan was meeting him halfway.

Liza Minelli is 72.

those SEAN jackets were hysterical and awful and adorable

If Burning Man dude didn't grow up with an emotionally abusive or unavailable hyperachieving father, I am ilx's most beloved poster.

Whose father from that decade wasn't like that?

The ones who didn't hyperachieve or who were emotionally available.

Ari the gamer dude has some kind of addiction problem. I know that style of lying all too well. Dunno whether it's gaming or the weed with roots in hell or something they kept out of the episode, but he's for sure an addict. He also had a look of sheer terror at certain points -- not just when he got caught in a lie -- that made that episode hard to watch.

I was really curious if he chipped his tooth from eating sunflower seeds.

Tan needs to stop making everyone do a french tuck.

Tan has some surprise super nice arms (as seen in the emmy instagram video).

Tan needs to stop making everyone do a french tuck.

I know this is his thing but one ep into s3 and I'm already screaming "NO MORE FRENCH TUCKS, GAWD!" at the screen.

lol

cried in the first episode WE’RE BACK BABY

I felt like Rob, whose wife died and who was moving into a new house, could have used some Marie Kondo magic to help him thank his old house and his old stuff. An opportunity for a crossover episode if ever I saw one.

This show should go on forever. And I love, love they regularly don't just do straight men anymore.

yeah me too

Papa Bear dad from final episode was cute AF omg

his daughter tho <3

one of the most cute moments #queereye pic.twitter.com/kbEZeq1ilJ

— luan (@chelamet) March 17, 2019

The second ep. was so sad. Rob, the camp director, seemed a great human who'd totally given up on himself.

yeah def

my eyes started leaking furiously during the jess episode
karamo finally did something useful and bobby got to take her to meet her sister <3
so tender

i mean she had met her sister before but not for a long time -- "meet up with" more accurate if we are being nitpicky

yeah that episode was so great

yeah and i also love it whenever Bobby gets extended airtime - he just does so much and is so good at putting in little touches that reflect the client's personality and needs.

I'm up to the grieving dad episode and the engraved memory chest got me all choked up.

Only just started watching this (halfway through S1) but I’m amazed how much Bobby gets done in a few days!

The episode I watched last night was AJ coming out to his stepmum. Really lovely.

I saw that Janelle Monae tweeted at Jess. *hearts*

xp Bobby and an entire TV/design crew

Of course.

i was glad bobby got to do something personally meaningful that didn't involve home renovations
he has lived a hard life. i didn't know he dropped out of high school!

Or had been homeless since 15! I love all of them but his history is very affecting.

Bless these people and this show for traveling the country finding deeply traumatized people who are incapable of being functional, whole people, and healing them of their wounds GENUINELY, as far as I can tell. This is a mitzvah. They're providing mental/emotional healthcare tbh.

And so often their unspoken opponent in a person's life is either bigotry or poverty or both. An indictment of America imo.

I don't remember his words but when Tan got choked up at the end of the Jess ep, I broke down.

i think specifically about how antoni was like "college was all about potlucks, someone brings the risotto blablabla" meanwhile we (and jess) are aware of her years of 100% ramen diet and he doesn't appear to understand that not everyone can relate to potlucks and abundance of community or food.

and then bobby takes her to meet up with her sister and i felt so much better, like at least someone here understands her in a profound way that she will be able to feel. they are definitely out to put a balm on human misery and some of them are def better at it than others. bobby is a quiet hero.

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3

i basically cannot get through an episode of this show without some welling up

would rate the fab five in order of usefulness bobby, jonathan, tan, karamo, antoni

I definitely paused what I was doing when Antoni talked about risotto at potlucks in college.

so tone deaf. antoni is definitely a rich kid tho

Someone posted this on twitter with a big old smirk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmpwzz5Yq8I

he dropped the fact that he was a restaurateur in the episode with the jones sisters and i was thinking "how bad is antoni's resto?"

still mad about those peanuts

I literally was just looking the menu for his restaurant. I remember when it opened it got mediocre reviews. Lukewarm paleo/vegan bowls.

On the summer camp ep, in the car, someone asks if any of them ever went to summer camp and Karamo says, "No, we were too poor for that" and Antoni is like, "I was just going to say something about going to horse camp and now I feel bad" and K is like, "It's okay, we know you were rich." lol

But otoh in some ep A is giving a cooking lesson and says, "My family wasn't functional, but at least we ate dinner together" and you feel like that's a pretty thin veneer he's putting on that, so, you know, everybody does have their own stories.

i like how we learn little bits and pieces of the fab 5’s history over time, and the way it is shared to usually help reinforce that x person isbt alone

I keep waiting for more of JVN's story tbh.

There was a pretty good article last year somewhere about JVN’s youth/teen years! I have no idea where I read it though:(

My apologies I got Antoni high pic.twitter.com/HuO8ftNF6n

— Steven P-H (@gossipbabies) March 2, 2018

he dropped the fact that he was a restaurateur in the episode with the jones sisters and i was thinking "how bad is antoni's resto?"

omg he was so infuriating in that episode. yeah the restauranteur line, plus the way he kept badgering them to give up their family's secret recipe. I'm pretty sure no one is queueing for antoni's food.

that said, this was probably the best season of QE so far. so much kindness and understanding and acceptance for people who mostly just needed to be seen and given permission to be the best version of themselves.

idk far be it from me to be a captain save-an-antoni but like, in the episodes where he teaches people who never cook to make something VERY simple (like, guacamole level–simple or whatever), i think there's a benefit to that, because even a little bit of work like that in the kitchen is the same level of self-care as moisturizing or a french tuck. it's not even about it being good (the tuck or the meal), it's about including routines and rituals in your life that remind you to do a little more than just continue living, and perhaps more importantly, remind you of that time when 5 people made you feel seen and loved.

that guacamole HAS GREEK YOGHURT IN IT tho

I found Antoni quite adorable in earlier series' but he's really playing up to it now with the shy-eyerolls etc. I still like him though.

god the Jess episode fuckin destroyed me

Think I had 3 misty eye moments during that one

They really knocked it out of the park for the Jones sisters ;_;

Loved the part in that show when Shortie was getting her teeth fixed and she reached out for JVN's hand.

kinda needed a dentistry trigger warning, i had a hard time watching the actual dentist moments

but her new smile made me cry 😭

yeah i loved that she got her new teeth, absolutely did not need to see any procedure (i could feel it coming and closed my eyes/squeezed my ears shut because i can't tolerate the sound or the sight of dental work) happy for her though!!

lol @ Jonathan referring to Gimli as "that boy from Lord of the Rings?"

<3

hoo lord the rob episode was a tough watch too - lost it when bobby opened the chest with his dead wife’s handwriting etched into the lid ;_;

kinda needed a dentistry trigger warning

I'm cool with dentists but that moment wrecked me, as I'm also a habitual mouth-hider and dream of having my teeth fixed.

yeah i had discolored front teeth for years & NEVER smiled with my teeth showing. last year i got them fixed. it had always seemed like a dumb thing to worry about, i didnt realize what a great feeling it would be seeing my new teeth for the first time: def helped my confidence! i still sometimes have to remind myself not to cover my teeth now

Kansas City isn't in Kansas?

There are two Kansas cities, they form one conurbation, the larger of the two is in missouri the smaller is in kansas.the state border is in between

this needs to be addressed asap.

Antoni, stop trying to make brussels sprouts happen. they're just not going to happen.

what's more likely to happen?

1) brussels sprouts
2) a french tuck

nothing more enraging than saying “i dont like brussels sprouts” & being “told you havent had them the right way”

but even more enraging that THIS “brussels hater” tries them with lemon juice & is like “omg wow”.
bitch please.

<3

He made a sprouts dish for the viewing at the end of the episode too. hoped in vain that one of the other four would be like, yeah i'm not eating that.

Tan (in the car): I love retail romance!
Me:

JVN: They're going to have a baby shower
Tan: I love a baby shower!
Me:

I feel like they have to make Tan say things like that periodically, or he just comes off as too negative compared to the others. But I could be wrong. Obviously he became my hero when he wouldn't let the squirrel thing go.

'squrrl is a noise, squirrel is a word' is def the quote of the season

I am one of those brussels sprout converts. When it's their season I roast a batch every week to snack on.

(I also am pro- french tuck as evidenced probably before in this thread)

yeah someone once told me once that the only reason i didn't like brussels sprouts was because they'd been prepared wrong my whole life and would you believe it, they were right as hell

I love it when Tan is mean/firm. I can feel myself agreeing with him in every misanthropic cell of my body.

I found a youtube vid of the 5 being interviewed by ADAM RIPPON which is like next-level, and jvn called Tan mean for not wanting to spend 24/7 together. "Like after ONLY 10 HOURS he can't even handle it! How is that a thing? Who needs BREAKS?" And Tan is on the other sofa being like, "It's true. That is a thing." I get you, Tan.

yeah, it's great when tan lets his inner dour yorkshireman out every now and again

Tan is always my number 1 or 2 favorite.

I loved it when he got the woman in the first episode the camo dress, that was a very human little moment

I feel like Tan’s enthusiasm is measured but genuine while Antoni’s feels increasingly fake as episodes go by.

antoni definitely seems the most... guarded? i feel like we've learned the least about his background for sure

I am not an Antoni fan but when he was wearing that fuzzy pink sweater, i was like, oh... yeah he's pretty hot there

I am so glad Karamo stopped drawing in his hair. He looks completely nice bald.

antoni's john mayer resemblance always bothers me

i am forever in awe of jonathan's ability to be completely jonathan in every situation and to get seemingly everyone he meets 100% on the jonathan train

Antoni is the most attractive to me personally, but also, as acknowledged in the first season, he's the most "straight-passing" of the bunch. (I think this was addressed in re to going to rural places and how it worried some of the others but not him and he was like "Yeah but they just think I'm straight.") Seems like it would be a) dumb and b) against the whole ethos of the show for him to be pressured to be more performative than he genuinely feels? He and Bobby are kinda the antidote to Tan and jvn's big big personalities.

Antoni is clearly doing as much as he can (or else the show's producers are) to downplay his privilege. Tho if it's the producers, at least even they knew they had to leave in that bit about Antoni going to a riding camp and Karamo retoring, "We were poor."

in orbit otm

idk if yall saw this Tan did a makeover on Pete Davidson for SNL that was pretty great

https://youtu.be/54BVvP7zvDQ

it’s fully like Tan is his Mom taking him shopping for school clothes i love it

I saaawwwwww

Tan actually makes clothing shopping look fun.

i love that Pete does not clock Tan’s passive sarcasm that Tan SUPER does not want to talk about balls & Pete happily continues engaging Tan on the subject

For the first time I am not feeling the outfits that Tan has picked.

It's like Pete's body is rejecting all those clothing choices.

They seem less prescriptive this season, or is it that they know they are dealing with people who have much bigger problems and need to be handled more carefully?

Camo lady likes camo, Tan gets her camo. Camp manager guy doesn't wash, so they get him clothes that don't smell when he sweats. I fully expected them to tell that man he needed to get his act together and wash more often.

Jezebel just did a write up today that near the end kind of touched on this^^^. I don't really agree with the entire piece, some of it feels muddled on my two quick reads. And I prefer the episodes that aren't focused on the heteronormative men.

https://themuse.jezebel.com/queer-eye-is-missing-out-on-a-sharper-conversation-abou-1833472725

I'm glad someone brought up in the comments that Karamo is a licensed therapist and social worker and hates his culture expert title on the show.

at least Tan didn't try to make anyone wear that bizarre belted sweatshirt look he had going in a few episodes. it looked like he was wearing a seatbelt?

they should change Karamo's title for sure. i also think it would be helpful if they hooked these people up with more long term therapy options (finding someone can be the biggest hurdle) but i assume there is a HIPAA reason for that

I am watching the Tan dressing Hasan Minhaj video now. Tan learns what a fuckboi is.

i love that video!

I was maybe a wee bit harsh on Antoni upthread - compared to me he’s a flamboyant, expressive, extrovert!

Good points in the thread and in the comments on that article about the role Karamo plays, and how “culture” is such a reductive label for it. I don’t think I’d properly realised his work/education background but it totally makes sense.

Yeah, it should be life coach or similar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWvL3O7oAVo

i didnt even know Nandos did chicken livers! but it’s been 10+ years since i last went to one so

The opening with Karamo getting pulled over was very misjudged.

― Heavy Messages (jed_), Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:46 (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jesus srsly

The five commented on that somewhere, condemning it as such. Absolutely under no circs.

https://www.bustle.com/p/tan-france-almost-quit-queer-eye-you-actually-watched-the-moment-play-out-without-knowing-it-9034664

yeah that was fucked up

new season! first episode is awesome

i need a tears transfusion after the first ep and then the second ep and then the little skater girl

i love the way they are using karamo this season, going deep with some stuff, it’s good.

yeah, karamo setting up the meeting between wesley and the guy who shot him was incredible

In an email to Men's Health, Karamo said that up until five minutes before walking into the restaurant for their face-to-face meeting, Wesley and Maurice were both about to walk away. "I was navigating both of their fears and telling them to trust me," Karamo wrote. "The conversation they had lasted almost two-and-a-half hours. But in the end they were able to shed light on the violence epidemic that is facing so many communities, while also finding healing and closure."

I love this program.

really great interview with karamo here:

i had no idea he was a student at marjory stoneman douglas high and lost a former classmate in the mass shooting there

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/07/karamo-brown-queer-eye-season-4-gunshot-victim

The 2nd and 3rd episodes goddamn. Wesley is so amazing.

Lucy and her dad broke my heart. Also Michelle Kwannn. <3 <3

It was Wanda who really broke my heart. For her to develop a tough, no-frills life and let nothing in, presumably in order to protect herself and her girls, and then to find out that they are actually scared of her and that she didn't do as good a job as she thought she did... that was hard to watch. She genuinely did not seem to understand what was happening. I hope she and her daughters get some further help.

I loved Wanda but she seemed to need something much deeper than they could give her in a week - I got the feeling that her stepping back from her job was more lip service than anything? And she was so hurt by that talk with her daughters ... like maybe Karamo should be deployed to stay an extra month with her lol idk

That above interview with Karamo is so good.

I am at the beginning of a cold and watching the new season is killing me because crying is going to lead to chest congestion.

I know people rag on Antoni but i like him a lot. To be fair his remit doesn't really enable him to do much because changing diets and health takes years, not a week.

Although I still remember the peanut salsa that was supposed to be eaten with your hands.

In other news, I saw a French Tuck in the wild! First time and probably last time.

Antoni got pretty real w Wanda which was the first I’ve really see him challenge a guest, which was interesting tho maybe ill-advised

Yeah, he was NOT comfortable around her.

It was weird to see dairy farmer guy at the end. It was obviously a very clever makeover for the team to do: as they said, small farms like that need to attract new business, and that means learning how to deal with townies.

In other news, I saw a French Tuck in the wild! First time and probably last time.

― Funky Isolations (jed_), Sunday, July 21, 2019 11:41 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

This is weird bc I've been doing them (along with literally everyone else) since the late 80s when I was in jr high and high school and we all wore oversized men's tshirts. I still do it! I think they just put "French" on it to sound fancy.

french aka loose

Kenny's new dog was so well behaved. It broke my heart.

The Antoni and Wanda scene was so uncomfortable and confusing.

the whole wanda episode left a bit of a bad taste - the usual method for creating a good episode just seemed to go wrong in all kinds of unexpected ways and i ended up feeling kinda worried for the relationship between her and her daughters, she just seemed so shocked that her perception of them being three inseparable buddies was just not how they saw it at all

lmao at karamo just flat-out refusing to engage with / being horrified by rural life in farmer matt’s episode

thought Wesley's shooter could've at least said something like "I felt justified at the time doing what I did, but man seeing that you're still in a wheelchair from something I did in heat of the moment gives me pause". That Wesley still got closure from that encounter...props to him.

From the Karamo article, Wesley and the guy were there for 3 hours talking.

the way that shooting went down still seems v bizarre to me

it’s cool Wesley forgave him but i’d be like, “ok and all with your explanation but you fuckin SHOT me, dude. a LOT of times. over nothing? what the hell!?”

exactly! Def seems like being the victim of the shooting changed him a lot more (for the better) than being the shooter changed the other guy.

maybe that's the defense you build up to deal with what you did to someone. "I didn't want to do it but he left me no choice" or whatever his rationale was.

WOW. Okay. I got a very strong "anger" read off Wanda during that confrontation with her daughters. I could FEEL the defensive shutters slamming closed. Also, Antoni is my fave and I love him but he was not ready for that kitchen scene with her. He wasn't just pushing her--he was in his own feelings.

And then her almost violent renunciation of the drill team at the end, which hadn't been discussed with her assistant directors? That's not a transition plan. That's just plain rude and selfish--and I think still coming from anger.

All in all, a strange episode.

otm

the thing Wanda said after the meeting w her daughters to Karamo, that she was surprised that her daughters “required” love was very telling.

her subtext being “i gave them everything but obviously THAT wasn’t enough”

super defensive

Yessssssss very much so. Not...good.

should there still be a bracket wherein they admit that the life makeover didn't work this time? because it can't all be "yes queen" success.

MY HEART (this out of the blue japanese queer eye).

I want every season of QE to be in Japan from now on.

just want to say antoni was already my #1 dreamboat (karamo an extremely close #2), but last week a friend pointed me to antoni’s instagram and i literally fucking died

i have nothing else of value to add to this thread

Oh Yoko <3

Beautiful woman. Great episode.

Antoni doesn't know how to flip a tarte-tatin.

the first two japans are excellent, the final one is… distressing

oh... :(

I'm on Kan's episode. He speaks English with an English accent which is very cute.