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My favorite TV show, and one of the only ones to guarantee at least one really long, hard laugh per show. I've been watching it since Craig Kilborn was the host, though I like Jon Stewart better. Incredibly funny, but also smart. Who else loves it? Do they have it in the UK? I think if this show was syndicated in other countries, people might not hate Americans as much, or at least realize we aren't all Dubya-lovin' jackasses.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 30 January 2003 15:43 (twenty-three years ago)

I really like the show a lot. Jon Stewart is probably one of the most underrated interviewers ever. He is good at getting guests to drop their guards. Whenever I watch CNN, I get the sense that the hosts are making it as easy as possible for their guests to say what they were prepared to say with little insight or interaction. Stewart doesn't let that happen.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Thursday, 30 January 2003 16:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Woo hoo! The Daily Show! Woo hoo! My news source!

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 30 January 2003 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I like the interviews, but it's weird, a lot of times the interviews that you think are going to be great aren't really that good, and the best ones are the ones that you think will suck, know what I mean? I can't really think of any specific examples, unfortunately, but I think it's because Jon Stewart "takes over" in the bad interviews and just makes a bunch of funny jokes. But I also really liked how he started having "serious" guests on after 9-11, like terrorism experts and anthrax experts, not just lame-ass actors and comedians all the time.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 30 January 2003 16:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Not just John Stewart, but all the contributors like Stephen Colbert and such, those stories are TOO FRIGGIN MUCH!

Yessirreebob, that show's got the funny.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 30 January 2003 16:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I never took to Colbert and that crew the way I did A. Whitney Brown, Brian Unger and Beth Littleford (who was the other one?), and my interest in the show has waned in recent years. Yet Jon Stewart is so relaxed behind the desk it's pretty amazing. I'm glad to see him finally succeed. Anyone watch his old syndicated talk show? I remember the night he announced that in two weeks he was being canceled. How did he respond? By mooning the camera and bitching about what assholes the show's producers were. So classless and so funny.

(Kilborn and Olberman should go pack to SportsCenter, or at the very least get a PTI-type program)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 30 January 2003 16:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Yep, I like the contributors. My favorite contributor features were the hilariously-named Dollars and "Cents" financial update and the point-counterpoint editorials by Steven Colbert and Steve Carrell called "Even Steven," which inevitably degenerated into personal insults. "Today's topic - should we bomb Iraq?" "Yes." "No." "Yes." "No." "Yes!" "No! "YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
It doesn't really translate. Sorry.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 30 January 2003 16:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Wasn't the other woman one of the co-creators of the show? I can't remember her name, but I think it's in the credits somewhere still. I heard she quit because she hated Craig Kilborn so much due to his rampant misogynistic comments.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 30 January 2003 16:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Really? That's great! I can't even picture her. The co-creator of the show was Madeleine Smithberg, who left a year or two ago. She was not an on-air person.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 30 January 2003 16:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Lizz Winstead, Nick.

Sometimes I really, really miss Beth Littleford. Also the goth-looking post-Beth Littleford woman whose bits were all butt-related jokes (sorry). The Kilborn era was terrific for pugilistic interviews -- did any of you see him demolish Carrot Top? -- but Stewart did a terrific job post-9/11 of slanting things back toward actual informed satire and not just making-fun-of-the-news.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 30 January 2003 16:43 (twenty-three years ago)

That's who I was thinking of.

I thought I would miss the Five Questions from the Kilborn-era interviews, but now I rarely even remember they existed. What were the questions? I know some of them changed, but there was at least one that was always the same.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 30 January 2003 16:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Here's the thing about Lizz Winstead leaving.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Thursday, 30 January 2003 17:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I wanted something a little more explosive than that!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 30 January 2003 17:27 (twenty-three years ago)

but Stewart did a terrific job post-9/11 of slanting things back toward actual informed satire and not just making-fun-of-the-news

i think he started really doing this earlier, actually, during the 2000 election fiasco - the story was custom-made for nightly political satire; 9/11 wasn't AT ALL, yet by that time i remember feeling a tremendous sense of anticipation about how stewart would handle it.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 30 January 2003 18:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought the onion had the most fearless, thoughtful, yet appropriate post 911 comic reaction. Jon Stewart cried, kind of an imitation what Letterman did. Stewart has definitely trumped former host Kilborn as a replacement, despite his willingness to kiss celebrity ass on occasion.

― theodore fogelsanger, Thursday, 30 January 2003 19:34 (twenty-three years ago)

I was actually extremely dispointed about that, how he got all serious, but hey, if Jon can't find the funny then it's prolly not there.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 30 January 2003 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

The Beth Littleford Interviews:

1. Fabio (didn't he offer her a look into his pants?)
2. Jocelyn Elders (I do remember a discussion of masturbation techniques, I do believe)
3. That "past his prime" musician who was all pissy because no-one liked him any more. (He really was an ass. Wish I could remember his name. I can picture his face.)

And, of course, the fuzzy camera shots of her on the couch looking sympathetic and understanding.

I usually watch some of Aaron Brown on Newsnight, then catch the opening of Peter Mansbridge on The National, and then catch the re-run of the Daily Show (if I watch the news at all, that is - most of the time I get my info. from NPR and BBC Radio).

― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 30 January 2003 20:10 (twenty-three years ago)

I like that their satire actually seems, on many occasions, to have a backbone. They do not simply run with any news tidbit that seems ripe for comedic exploitation, in the familiar (and exhausting) Saturday Night Live mold. The commentary on Bush's State of the Union address pointed up not only the absence of many specifics in the speech, but also the fact that much of it contradicted the administration's own actual policy decisions, and the basic banality of such speeces and their reception.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 30 January 2003 23:59 (twenty-three years ago)

and one of the only ones to guarantee at least one really long, hard laugh per show.

Nick, if you even slightly like sports, check out Pardon the Interruptionon ESPN. I swear, most days it's almost as funny as the Daily Show. I don't even like football or basketball, but those guys make me laugh anyway.

― lyra (lyra), Friday, 31 January 2003 02:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I do really miss the A. Whitney Brown-Brian Unger era correspondants, but it's still good, if a bit overrated and formulaic.

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 31 January 2003 02:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I love this show, though I'm surprised by the lack of love Colbert is getting. But maybe it's just because I'm also a Strangers With Candy/Harvey Birdman fan.

― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 31 January 2003 04:40 (twenty-three years ago)

God, I really miss Stranger with Candy (amongst other Comedy Central shows that got cancelled so that The Man Show - the most depressing show on tv - might thrive).

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 31 January 2003 07:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I miss the weekly highlights of the televangelists with Joe Bob Briggs. God Talk? God Stuff? Anyone remember Paco the Hispanic Boy?

― Polo Pony, Friday, 31 January 2003 07:54 (twenty-three years ago)

The Onion had a pretty funny interview with some of the Daily Show correspondents last week. Here it is.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Friday, 31 January 2003 14:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Mo Rocca is great (except for the hair). But I would say that.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 31 January 2003 15:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Where the hell - is Steve Carrell?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 31 January 2003 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't know, Carrell is my favorite too. I think he took a break but was supposed to come back?

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Friday, 31 January 2003 17:05 (twenty-three years ago)

CNN has an international version of the Daily Show, but i've never seen it.

― stephen. s (yaye), Friday, 31 January 2003 18:09 (twenty-three years ago)

mo rocca is the best, because, bowtie!

― amy (amy), Friday, 31 January 2003 18:14 (twenty-three years ago)

i. Stephen surely you're joking??

ii. I miss Nancy Walls. I think the Onion missed an opportunity to interview any of the women on the show, especially Stacey Grenrock-Woods, who i just realized i have an ENORMOUS CRUSH ON!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 31 January 2003 18:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I just saw Doug from Trading Spaces on the Daily Show - two of my favorite things at once - yay! (and it actually appeared that Jon really does watch the show)

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 23:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I loved how he ripped on Hildy. "The woman put HAY on someone's walls!"

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 23:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I swear Tracer, there is an international version.

― stephen. s (yaye), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 23:44 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, we get the intl. version ("global edition") on cnn.

― Mitch Lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 11:20 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.trading-spaces.net/imgs/doug2.jpg

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 5 February 2003 17:07 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...

Stephen Colbert was on NPR's "Fresh Air" today. Good interview, too.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4464017

― kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 24 January 2005 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)

They mentioned this in the morning when I was driving to work and pronounced it "COAL-Burt".

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 24 January 2005 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Did anyone catch the episode on the inauguration last week? Quite possibly one of the best episodes ever.

OFFER NOT VALID IN EGYPT, SAUDI ARABIA, PAKISTAN AND UZBEKISTAN

― Juan, the Magic Don (jingleberries), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

The last few have been pretty great.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"Let the Eagle Soar" is sex code for a fem-dom reacharound daisy chain. But no butt stuff -- that'd be queer.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm betting there will be a big ol' heartfelt tribute to Carson tonight.

― Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 02:22 (twenty-one years ago)

My predictor is busted.

― Curious George Rides a Republican (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Stewart's mockery of Carson's Art Fern character shows that, at least as a comic, he's a lot less respectful of Johnny (thank Christ). All they did last night was have a Carnac pratfall as the Moment of Zen. ('nac was a ripoff of Steve Allen's Answer Man, btw)

>OFFER NOT VALID IN EGYPT, SAUDI ARABIA, PAKISTAN AND UZBEKISTAN

otm, great. (punchline to W's announced anti-dictatorship agenda)

I missed most of a recent show, but saw the Zen bite where Barbara Walters said to the Bushes in the Oval Office, "Are you READY TO BEGIN THE TORTURE?" DID I HEAR RIGHT?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

There was a kind of a tribute right at the end. Carson was the moment of zen, followed by a moment of silence and a white-on-black, somber "Thank you, Johnny."

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:33 (twenty-one years ago)

OFFER NOT VALID IN EGYPT, SAUDI ARABIA, PAKISTAN AND UZBEKISTAN

Did I not also hear, "...and all of Africa"?

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think Stewart is mocking the Art Fern character. But at the very least, I think we've finally answered the question posed in this thread: What's th origin of that John Stewart/ Johnny Carson voice?

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think Stewart is mocking the Art Fern character.

I don't think so either, I thought of it as more of a homage.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 25 January 2005 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The bobble-head bit was über-lol!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 3 February 2005 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

ALTONA MEADOWS CHILLIN' + ILLIN'

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 3 February 2005 05:27 (twenty-one years ago)

wrong thread sorry

― Autumn Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 3 February 2005 05:27 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahaha

― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Thursday, 3 February 2005 05:30 (twenty-one years ago)

But it felt so right.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 3 February 2005 05:35 (twenty-one years ago)

jon stewart looks like sam the eagle with a pompadour

― Monday At Bernie's (Adrian Langston), Thursday, 3 February 2005 06:19 (twenty-one years ago)

shit i missed it

― shit i missed it, Thursday, 3 February 2005 06:25 (twenty-one years ago)

is twat sexist? some guy said it was earlier. i usually am the one to call the sexisms & racisms. o horrible. some1 doesn't like me now cuz i'm catholic.

― uh(h), Thursday, 3 February 2005 06:26 (twenty-one years ago)

really? cuz that may or may not happened to me today. cept i'm not a catholic. unless it's like a jew thing, inescapable.

― ned sidelander, Thursday, 3 February 2005 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

kind of late, but Samantha Bee's piece on social security the other day was the funniest one of those segments in a long time, and by far the funniest she's been ever. The guy with the glasses is kind of too loose cannon for me, I imagine him being used by the producers to do shit the others simply wouldn't do, like kids who get the slow kid/youngest to debase themselves in public for their amusement.

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Thursday, 3 February 2005 06:50 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG, I was crying at the bobble-head. It looked so lifelike.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 3 February 2005 07:18 (twenty-one years ago)

i seriously want a steven colbert bobble-head. There is a market for these things, you know there is.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Thursday, 3 February 2005 07:19 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG! If you can track one down please let me know!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 3 February 2005 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"What are you, some kind of Commie?"

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 February 2005 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

If you use "twat" and "dick" interchangeably, it's not sexist.

The correspondent segments are at diminishing returns stage for me, unless the subject is particularly ripe.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 February 2005 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

samantha bee has been ON FIRE lately.

― Nimrod Kovacs (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 3 February 2005 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

morbius otm -- the pre-taped bits can get tiresome, and I often make myself a snack then. But that Samantha Bee bit about the guy who was "homonausic" = classic.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Thursday, 3 February 2005 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I feel the same way about Rob Corrdry (sic?) - there was a desk segment sometime before the election (presumably about the election) where he mixed anti-administrative rhetoric and biting despondant satire beautifully, and he read / performed his piece with this sharp angry edge that really hit home.

Granted, the handprint-on-shirt bit was a little meh, but you can't hit homers every time.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 3 February 2005 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

MORE BEN WILTFONG (sic) PLEASE!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 3 February 2005 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, he's just MEAN. Which is great.

― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Thursday, 3 February 2005 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh no insurgent LOTR cave troll oh No!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 3 February 2005 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

Nothing like a kidgloves interview with Ari Fleischer to remind you Jon S is NOT Lenny Bruce.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 March 2005 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't see this, but I hate it when he lets the crooks off with a smile. He does it too often.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 4 March 2005 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah to not even MENTION jeff gannon wtf?! i guess ari had said before he wouldn't talk about it...

but obv the reason he does this is so that he at least gets those people and sneak a skeptical question or two in. i guess that's his reasoning, i mean. yup, pretty depressing.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:13 (twenty-one years ago)

he mentioned jeff gannon! but it was kind of in passing.

― teeny (teeny), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Does he really have a long enough and serious enough forum to really get in their face? Better to be sly and see if their inherent creepiness will show through. If he gets to hard-hitting, these people won't come on his show at all.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

exactly

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think he's aggressively gone after any of his guests, something about Stewart being firm on the fake news angle of the show.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

gloves off with jennifer love hewitt, of all people.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, it's a comedy show. They can only do so much and remain a comedy show.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

he sure took jennifer love hewitt to task over the garfield movie!

(hahahahaha XPOST of the century!)

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

He makes jokes that can make the guest squirm a little but I'm sure Stewart justifies this to himself on the basis of being funny and not on the basis of being a journalist.

He and Posh got on so well too.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

That was an xpost with Mr Noodles.

Although, the time he got that Republican congressman from (TX?) and nailed him about the talking points that Kerry and Edwards were "1st and 4th most liberal" by playing dumb and asking the congressman to explain it to him, which the congressman couldn't do, so Stewart explained it to the congressman, and told him how he was using faulty logic: That was great. But you can't have those moments too often, or guests will be wary, and then you'll never get them. (Also it was a shame they didn't keep the congressman around to see how he tried to dig his way out of the hole.)

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i remember that one! it was good.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I conservative for not liking Stewart's delivery?

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Stewart is not a tremendous comic. This show really fades when news is slow, but luckily(?) it's a newsy era.

― Aaron A., Friday, 4 March 2005 23:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, Leee. Report for re-education tomorrow at 0500 hours.

― Michael White (Hereward), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Poking holes in self-important blowhards is the foundation of comedy though. I don't think he would lose guests for doing it more often, although I could see that in the show's earlier days.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

He could turn into one if he did it too zealously.

― Michael White (Hereward), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think he's aggressively gone after any of his guests, something about Stewart being firm on the fake news angle of the show.

he's said many times that (i paraphrase) he's in the joke-writing business, not the world-changing business. call that fake naivete, but it's a good stance if it helps him retain his humility.

― jbr (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

If I can't laugh I don't want your revolution!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 5 March 2005 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

But how can he call Fleischer a dick (which he literally did) 2 years ago, then just do a nice-nice when he comes to plug a book?

> They can only do so much and remain a comedy show.<

This is why I agree with Harry Shearer that comedy/satire should NEVER mix with real politicians. Credibility is lost, and the pols look humanized (Giuliani in a dress on SNL, etc).

Thank God I missed Stewart interviewing Kissinger whenever that happened. He should stick to Natalie Portman and Ludacris or can the interviews altogether.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 March 2005 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

he embarrassed Crossfire and maybe had a hand in getting it off the air....he definetely went after them, though it wasn't on his own show

― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Monday, 7 March 2005 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

morbius if you have someone as a GUEST on your show you can't quite call them a dick!! even though i'd agree with the sentiment that'd be totally inappropriate in a venue when you're in complete control.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

That's true, tho vintage Letterman essentially did it a few times... I'd argue they shouldn't book the likes of Ari in the first place.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

morbius if you have someone as a GUEST on your show you can't quite call them a dick!!

Any of you see the episode w/ former NFL running back Robert Smith as the "guest"? Smith was promoting a book he (possibly co-)wrote about the dangers of hero worship, and JS was softballing him questions straight from the one-sheet as if he didn't read the book (or, as it seemed to me, had no interest in having Smith as a guest). Smith seemingly wanted to get in depth about the book's subject matter, but sounded just a bit pedantic when reiterating his thesis (which is the stock response re: "athletes shouldn't be heroes" Barkley's been offering since Smith was in Tuff Skins & headgear). After a few blah questions, Smith tried to call out JS on his not having read the book, which I think JS fessed up to. And the interview became VERY contentious - Smith acted like he got Stewart on something, and Stewart was just bemused as if it wasn't worth the effort to even engage in this cat & his self-important ponderous horsesense - it turned into an awkward posturing bout, wherein Stewart just played out the string until it was time for commercial. The "D" word wasn't said, but it was probably on the tongue.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Some randomish thoughts:

It almost seemed as though politicians (& folks tangentially involved in politics) used The Daily Show as a pulpit prior to the election because they were afraid / in awe of its supposed power, which Stewart at once both plausibly denied - in interview after interview where he'd offer the "this is a COMEDY show" line - and gleefully exploited (re: giving low & mid-level BS artists the business when they'd come on the show toeing the company line).

Now that the election's gone, it seems as though some of the show's supposed cred (which was probably overvalued prior to November) has been lost in a sort of "stock correction", and folks w/ political capital are happy to accomodate. The results of the election seemed to solidify & reinfornce the "it's just satire" stance of the show to its detriment - regardless of the stance of the folks invovled with the show (whether they felt they were exacting change or just making w/ the hyuck-hyucks), seeing Bush & the Republicans win the popular vote (& win on other fronts, like the gay-marriage / gay-union issue) had to have been humbling. The first few post-election shows (reporting on the results & the direct aftermath) seemed a lot more resigned and fatigued than the biting, scathing stuff that was offered in previous months.

In other words, the cat's out of the bag, declawed and neutered, and everyone that was afraid of it is ever-so-glad to make it purr and preen as they see fit.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 7 March 2005 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

All of which, in some ways, makes the show more human and interesting. I doubt JS would have gotten cocky had Kerry won (cocky about his role in it, that is), especially considering how he pushed off responsibility for what happened to Crossfire. But JS's handwringing about how "democracy is coming to the Middle East" (i.e., "were they right all along?") is perhaps the most interesting thing on the show right now, watching him try very hard to remain honest.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

biggest poss fallacy = 'democracy' is coming to the middle east BECAUSE OF iraq

i guess that's neither here nor there but it gets my goat see

― jk rowling, Monday, 7 March 2005 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

David your story about the running back is part of what gets under my skin a little bit. Stewart seems much more willing to rake mid-level slebs (and politicians) over the coals than he does the major players. The Kerry interview included. I hear what everyone's saying about how it's a comedy show, and that he's not supposed to be doing the work of a real journalist. But I don't think anyone would care so much about this show if that line weren't blurred from time to time. I'd like to see it blurred with, say, Israel's UN ambassador, or Dinesh D'Souza - both of whom got away with really outlandish statements - as with Posh Spice. Please do not interpret this as a desire to see anyone go easy on Posh Spice, mind.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 March 2005 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah is he really going to lose anything by engaging ppl? i think a shot at besting him would make an appearance all the more appealing, really, i mean i imagine most of these guys are the type to back down from a genuine public debate. i'm obv talking more about d'souza types than say trent lotts or whathaveyou, ie ppl who truly have lots to lose by being made an ass of on television.

― jkr, Monday, 7 March 2005 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Stewart seems much more willing to rake mid-level slebs (and politicians) over the coals than he does the major players.

These days I get the sense that Stewart thinks these types of interviews are beneath him and the show, and as a result takes a contemptous and disinterested attitude towards the interviewees. Which would be okay if his interviews with the big fish weren't so disappointing, I guess.

― Leon the Fatboy (Ex Leon), Monday, 7 March 2005 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

the interviews were always the worst part of the show anyway

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 7 March 2005 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

as i've said before, probably in this thread, js is a pretty bad interviewer.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 7 March 2005 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Tracer - I was going to mention it (the mid-level v. hi-level guest handling) in my following post, but was sidetracked by my brane's wanderlust.

I don't want to say he's cowed by or in awe of these high-profile guests, but it seems the show's so intent on not presenting a bias (which is there, I think, despite what they claim) that stuff that should be called is left uncalled. (This has happened, to some degree, when he's had neo-conny folk on, though I don't mind it so much - he lets them have their say, primarily free of any slant or bias, allowing them to dig their own grave, & even shushes the crowd when the start groaning.) (Of course, he also shushes the crowd when they whoop it up for anyone w/ a pro-liberal stance.)

It's like he's protesting the SHOUT SHOUT antics of Crossfire by going to the opposite end of the press-show spectrum and just offering his show as a bully pulpit for bigwigs to offer their positions. Which, actually, I don't mind so much sometimes, as it actually allows me a chance to hear opinions & ideologies different from mine free from the "this is bad! protest NOW!" filter I usually learn about these things through.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 7 March 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

in that case there is a nice little berkley internetshow called conversations with history that you should check out.

really, i'd rather stewart not leave the interview process to 5 minute soundbite propaganda. making ppl expand on argue for & defend their opinions (NOTE this does not mean "SHOUT SHOUT" and never did before murdoch etc got their grubby hands in the biz) instead of just voicing them free of strife into the void is what political (and political satire obv equals political regardless of what stewarts gonna say) interviews are for. they also mean hgiher ratings.

― ignore that, Monday, 7 March 2005 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Also now that I've seen the Fliescher interview, it wasn't bad at all. It's clear in these cases that JS is more interested in "what the hell are you thinking?" rather than just saying "you are wrong! so wrong!" which would, after all, be really dumb and boring.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, wasn't Jeff Gannon post-Fleischer?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

"you are wrong! so wrong!"

Stewart has never been this dull or one-dimensional, or to use your words, dumb and boring, and no one here is asking him to be.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't want him to conduct a dialogue with OR preach at wingnuts or Bushite tools. A waste of talent and time.

Stewart actually made showbiz celeb interviews watchable by his lack of respect for the template ... if the guest is in on it too (Paul Rudd), better still.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 March 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

What should he have done with Fleischer, then?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 7 March 2005 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't want him to conduct a dialogue with OR preach at wingnuts or Bushite tools. A waste of talent and time.

So you prefer a "hey we're all friends here" approach, where alarming lies go unremarked? Where has anyone suggested that Stewart "preach" by the way!!? I feel like you guys are talking to someone else, not on this thread. Is this why the American news media are such sycophantic brown-nosers, because tough questions are considered preaching or lecturing or god forbid "having an agenda"? I don't want Stewart to preach, and I don't think he'd be very good at preaching. He's a fool, and he has a special license to reveal the folly of his masters. He should use it.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 7 March 2005 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

If Comedy Central's Jon Stewart is the comic version of Peter Jennings or Brian Williams, Stephen Colbert promises to be the same for Bill O'Reilly and others like him.
"The Daily Show" regular will star each night in "The Colbert Report," likely starting in September. Comedy Central is revamping its schedule, recognizing that late-night programming is essentially prime time for its youthful audience.
"It's as if my character on `The Daily Show' got promoted," Colbert told The Associated Press.
He'll be a "very well-intentioned, poorly informed, high-status idiot, not unlike some people who have these shows in the real world," he said.

Besides lampooning O'Reilly, the king of the cable TV opinion shows, he's sending up people such as Sean Hannity, Joe Scarborough and Anderson Cooper, he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050503/ap_en_tv/tv_comedy_colbert

Roll on September.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 02:43 (twenty-one years ago)

may it do better than Crossballs, a show i liked.

― kingfish maximum overdrunk (Kingfish), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)

The thing with Laura Bush was unbelievably filthy.

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i love stephen colbert, i hope this is good

― latebloomer: But when the monkey die, people gonna cry. (latebloomer), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 06:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's a mistake for the daily show anchorpeople to ever break character, even off-camera.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Stickling: Stewart is the only anchor, the others are correspondents.

I like Colbert's shtick in SMALL doses, and more in the taped stuff than the studio. He's on TDS too much already. Four half-hours a week? Not for me.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Agreed. He's going to need to get his own posse to keep the camera off him for about 11 of the 19 minutes of the show.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.bushrice04.org/images/condi8.jpg
Code Name: Ping Pong Ball

OMG, I thought I was going to need CPR.

― diedre mousedropping (Dave225), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

the image of dubya in some sort of bovine bukkake scenario had me hyperventilating.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 5 May 2005 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Equine.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 5 May 2005 08:34 (twenty-one years ago)

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH KATHLEEN TURNER YOU SICK BASTARDS

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 02:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously! That was one facelift too far.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)

She was makin' Bea Arthur look like Princess Diana up there.

― slightly more subdued (kenan), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

she looks fine.

― cindy margolis holocaust (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Too bad she's an insufferable hydra bitch.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 10 May 2005 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...

guess what!

tonight's guest is U.S. Senator Rick "The frothy mix of shit & lube that's sometimes the product of anal sex." Santorum!

― kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)

do you think santorum is a savage love reader?

― badass porcelain knives (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

no, but i wonder if his gay spokesguy is

― kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)

http://www.spreadingsantorum.com/

― badass porcelain knives (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

http://www.spreadingsantorum.com/santorumletter.jpg

― badass porcelain knives (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:18 (twenty years ago)

As if a schoolkid would ever be bored enough to google for Rick Santorum...

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)

there's somethign fun about the website in lowercase arial/helvet below the opulent Senate logo

― kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:35 (twenty years ago)

i was thinking the same thing. it looks like it should be on a college student's resume!

― badass porcelain knives (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:38 (twenty years ago)

although i dunno if that's arial... it's a little more decorative. there's something else in the ms word font library that looks like that, but i forget the name.

― badass porcelain knives (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 03:40 (twenty years ago)

the scan res isn't high enough for me to tell.

the characters have the rounded look of lowercase arial.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

Watched it tonight and I actually was pretty impressed by Santorum (considering I'd never seen him speak before). Stewart is a master of using irony and detachment to avoid a direct argument and although Santorum couldn't keep up with him when he did it he wasn't a total embarrassment. I couldn't help but notice the gigantic logical fallacies in Stewart's arguments with Santorum. Here are the bigger ones I remember.

Gay marriage and government.

Stewart kept asking why the government should get involved in marriage. While personal relationships are private and they really aren't anyone's business, marriages are a LEGAL INSTITUTION and to wonder what business the government has in legal institutions is to wonder why the government even exists at all.

"Can you legislate ideals?": This question is so dumb it almost doesn't even deserve mentioning. How does Stewart think civilized societies even function if nobody is restricted from doing anything they want? Does Stewart think the government should fund schools on sex education that will teach kids how to go about with their sexuality? Would he have a problem with a government school program that endorsed and encouraged homosexuality? Does he have a problem with legislating ideals he agrees with like that? The double standard is quite large. Only when his own ox is gored (in this case the government not putting homosexuality on a bar with heterosexuality legally) does he take offense at "legislating morality".

Homosexuality and raising children: "Wouldn't it be better if two wonderfully educated homosexuals raised a kid than if a kid is raised in a broken heterosexual home filled with drug addiction and violence?"

http://www.adamsmith.org/logicalfallacies/000593.php

"How can we say our culture was better fifty years ago when we treated black Americans horribly?!"

http://www.adamsmith.org/logicalfallacies/000664.php

Stewart is much smoother and plays the verbal sleight-of-hand better than Santorum but his arguments and logic won't hold up upon closer examination.

― Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 06:30 (twenty years ago)

Oh right, but the logic of being okay with beer ads but wanting to crack down on Victoria's Secret is iron clad and respectable...

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)

Would he have a problem with a government school program that endorsed and encouraged homosexuality?

WTF? how the fuck is this to be "endorsed?"

but conservative-libertarians-having-a-problem-with-Jon-Stewart shocker, etc.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

That was depressing. "I think you're a good dude..." FUCK you, Jon, and stop interviewing politicians. They are the enemy, and make you look dumb.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

I think Stewart knows he's out of his league with these kinds of people - he's always handling them w/kid gloves and when he does put across his point of view it's usually in as non-confrontational (and occasionally nonsensical) way as possible. I was impressed that he even pushed Santorum at all about ANYTHING, but what he should've done was point out that Santorum's hallowed "one man/one woman/children" ideal is a CONSTRUCT, and has no intrinsic higher value that sets it above any other form of child-rearing. there are so many societies and lifestyles that have not centered around that peculiarly Catholic "ideal" and they had babies and sustained themselves and created great works etc. Instead he took some weird tangents (segregation? wtf?)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

Yeah I didnt even bother watching the interview last night because you know Jon was gonna play nice. I was kinda annoyed with some folks on the internet overreacting to that Bernie Goldberg interview a couple weeks ago when they debuted the new set. Like 'DAILY SHOW IS GOING AFTER PEOPLE NOW' yeah fucking right..

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

So I guess santorum is trying to come off a little kinder/gentler now that his re-election bid is shaky? Surely he wasn't on there just to plug his book?

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Compared to every other talk show host I've ever seen, Stewart is raking every guest over the coals!!

― voiceof, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

Are people still under the impression that Jon Stewart is a hard-hitting journalist and not an actor/comedian?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

At least Stewart's not.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

That's what I loved about his (oh, I can't think of his name - the bowtie guy on crossfire) thing, calling him a dick .. he said, ~I think it's a sad state of affairs when news shows look up to a comedy show to set an example of good reporting.

― Draw Tipsy to see if you give a shit about art (Dave225), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

If he's an actor/comedian, he shouldn't be interviewing right-wing whores.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

b-b-but the mary carey piece is one of the better things i've seen this year

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

If he's an actor/comedian, he shouldn't be interviewing right-wing whores.

Because...?

― The Ghost of "I Said So" Is Not A Credible Answer (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

I only saw part of the segment, but I wish more non-bigots would make the argument that government should get out of the "marriage" business altogether, and just start recognizing domestic partnerships.

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

b-b-but the mary carey piece is one of the better things i've seen this year

That was great. I have high hopes for The Colbert Report.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

xpost
Because he's taking jobs away from other hardworking right wing whores who are supposed to be interviewing their own.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

I mean, if it's JON STEWART'S job to call conservatives on their bullshit, all of the news outlets in America ought to put guns to their heads now and do themselves a favor.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

I get the feeling that Stewart and his producers haven't quite made up their minds about how hard they should be on their guests. Ultimately, they are amazed that they can get these big political guests, and would like to keep that gravy train running because it helps with the ratings. They aren't looking to burn bridges, but aren't totally going to totally softball either, which is very awkward for political junkies but maybe not so bad for casual viewers.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

xpost

Because it's not in the fucking definition of "actor/comedian."

>Ultimately, they are amazed that they can get these big political guests<

They shouldn't be. JS was on the cover of a newsweekly, and I'm sure every pol who wants up the ass of under-35s was on the phone to Comedy Central pronto. Nixon saying "Sock it to me?" on Laugh-In, same shit.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Part of me is slightly suspicious about the Daily Show still, much as I enjoyed the book and all. Hard to put my finger on, but it strikes me as something almost TOO cozy, not with its guests and the political system, but maybe with audience expectation, I dunno...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

Oh God yes, Ned, the show has been totally smug since that Crossfire thing. But then it turned another corner and made its own laziness funny again, somehow. (I've barely tuned in the last month, though.)

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

Colbert is, and always has been, comedy gold on the show. Him and Corddry are consistently the sharpest and most brutal. The rest of the show is a mixed bag for me, the guest interviews are never all that interesting...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Do you even understand the concept behind The Daily Show, Dr Morbius? (Does anyone, actually? Why are credible politicians going on a parody news show?)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

uhm, for the same reason they go on every other show, to pitch something their book?

thing is, the show _has_ changed from just a fake news thing in 1996.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

uhm, for the same reason they go on every other show, to pitch their book?

thing is, the show _has_ changed from just a fake news thing in 1996.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Well, it's changed in the sense that it's making fun of current events rather than the host's narcissism complex and oddball news stories, but beyond that the fact that it's given the same level of credibility as a non-parody news program is possibly the most damning indictment of American culture I can think of.

ATTENTION AMERICA PLEASE DISTINGUISH BETWEEN YOUR ENTERTAINMENT AND YOUR FACTS OK BYE XOXOXOXO

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

when has America ever done that.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Certainly not since Reagan.

Colbert and Corddry, tho talented, are one-note Johnnies.

No, I don't understand anything. Please keep explaining.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Dan, I mostly agree with you and what you're saying is basically Stewart's standard "I'm just a comedian" defense. The problem is that many of the interviews, Santorum included, have no value as either comedy or journalism. So it's not surprising that people start to wonder why Jon didn't poke more fun at Santorum or get more cheap laughs out of the situation.

At its best the Daily Show somehow functions as comedy and journalism simultaneously so the distinction you ask for between entertainment and facts is kind of undone by the show's own moments of brilliance.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

vid's up:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/07/26.html#a4152

― kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

" While personal relationships are private and they really aren't anyone's business, marriages are a LEGAL INSTITUTION.."

Stewart wasn't completely off base here, I would imagine he just didn't articulate it well. Marriage is, in the law, a legal contract between a man and woman. Since you can't legislate sexual or romantic relations between consenting adults, you're basically putting into effect a contract that deals with property rights and custody of children, along with tax status. The entire "can gays raise our children" thing is a point of contention, but ignoring that, how the hell can the government discriminate who it grants a legal contract to on basis of gender?

Stewart needs to either dig at people a little more to actually make interviews funny, or at least get them in on some jokes. The idea of Santorum being interviewed isn't funny in itself, and Stewart's interviewing is sub-Letterman (and even sub-Leno!) part of the time.

― mike h. (mike h.), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

how the hell can the government discriminate who it grants a legal contract to on basis of gender?

They're not discriminating on gender but basing it on the relationship between two genders. They do this based on the fact that a heterosexual union produces the next generation of people (who are of importance to society naturally) and homosexual unions do not. It will also cause a certain chain reaction in both lives (especially the woman's) that make it so that certain checks and balances are needed throughout their union to make it work long-term. One of the reasons we even have marriage is to help protect and to give incentives to the partners to stay in the marriage. When a woman takes time off from working to give birth and to possibly raise a person for eighteen years she is making all kinds of sacrifices that could've gone to her continuing a career or down various other paths. Marriage gives a financial incentive for the husband to stay with his wife after she sacrificed many financial opportunities herself and for the wife to make them in the first place. Later on in life the fact the husband has worked non-stop means he will likely be of more financial importance and also opens the door for him to leave his wife for a tropy wife who is at this point better looking than his old wife. Marriage restricts his options so he'll think twice about it.

None of these things apply to homosexual couples. The simple fact that two heterosexuals in a union produce people (especially the fact that they are people who can't consent to anything on their own) means that certain events are gonna happen that naturally need certain restrictions from the government. Two homosexuals living together pose no such interest to society and even if they want to reach any agreements about anything they are free to make contracts with each other. To think that the laws of marriage, which have evolved over a ridiculous amount of time, will perfectly adapt to a totally different relationship is wrong.

BTW

You cannot call gay marriage a "right" of any sort because a) Equality in individual rights are already guaranteed in the 14th Amendment and by nature can't be pursued by groups for privileges b) Marriage is merely a reduction of rights that people normally have when they aren't married.

Stewart needs to either dig at people a little more to actually make interviews funny, or at least get them in on some jokes.

Exactly. The Santorum interview was awkward for that very reason. Stewart would try to engage in a debate, then plug the guy's book and then do some deadpan ironic stuff in a debate. I doubt Santorum knew which way was up.

When Stewart sits down and tries to have a little mini-debate with a Senator I think he leaves himself open to be scrutinized and for his arguments to be looked at. The fact that it's primarily a show mocking the news and airs on a network called Comedy Central is an escape hatch for when the show tries to get serious and is criticized. Jon Stewart seems very genuine about the opinions he has and the arguments he puts forward but when he is shown to be out of his leage the defense for him is "He's just a comedian, he's not a journalist, etc" as if that ever means you can't scrutinize somebody. Morrissey has openly advocated Stewart's presidency. If that doesn't make him a viable political candidate to be on the lookout for then I don't think they even exist.

― Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

not all heterosexual marriages result in children, duh.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

Marriage is merely a reduction of rights that people normally have when they aren't married.

!!!

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

not all heterosexual marriages result in children, duh.

Just because something doesn't apply 100% of the time doesn't mean it is tossed out or on equal grounds with something that works 0% of the time. Very few things in life apply 100% of the time. Heterosexual unions don't produce children 100%, therefore it is on the same grounds as a union that never produces children. 404 logic not found.

― Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

Seriously. I'm in awe. All that fast 'n' loose branding of LOGICAL FALLACIES actually almost made me post earlier, but this stuff...this stuff is fairly incredible.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

I do agree about Stewart's duplicity ... it's obvious that he wants to exude influence like a "real" news/opinions show would, to talk seriously about politics with politicians, and to go on shows like Crossfire to offer concerted critiques about the media. However, he also wants to be able to say "we're on Comedy Central, it's the fake news" whenever it's convenient (i.e. almost every time his opinions are challenged during a legitimate discussion, on his show or otherwise).

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)

artificial insemination works!

also maybe some research as to why we have a 14th amendment would be helpful.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:27 (twenty years ago)

Marriage isn't just useful for one thing, as important as that one thing (child-rearing) might be. The stuff about "in sickness and in health" and "til death do us part" gives us more than a few hints: long-term marriages serve as mutual support systems for two people as they grow older and frailer. In fact, since they don't have children (actually, an unwarrented assumption, but hey, it's not my assumption) who'll later grow up and take care of them, looks like they'd need that support more than heterosexuals would, right?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

time to pull out the ol' standby (from 2003):

What's in a Word? Plenty, if it's "Marriage"

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)

Would actually reading Cunga's posts as opposed to skimming them reveal them to be more intelligent than they first appear? Because right now I'm getting the impressions s/he's operating at the mouth-breathing sitting-in-a-pile-of-hir-own-feces level.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)

not as far as i can tell, dan.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

So what rights do I lose when I get married? My curiousity lies far outside any desire to prove Cunga wrong: are there really such rights other than...well, the right to fornicate, I guess?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

well, dan, let's see;

would you read a post with this line in it:

You cannot call gay marriage a "right" of any sort because a) Equality in individual rights are already guaranteed in the 14th Amendment and by nature can't be pursued by groups for privileges b) Marriage is merely a reduction of rights that people normally have when they aren't married.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

(I'm sorry if I'm coming across snotty here...I'm really genuinely bewildered by this!)

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

This is where I feel like a jerk for calling down troublesome arguments by opening the door, again. Seriously guys, my argument was pretty off the cuff and weak, but Cunga's trying to poke holes in all the spots where I didn't think there were any worth exploiting. The "evolved" laws of marriage? Please. Claiming that there's a universal "this is how it works" situation is kind of ridiculous.

"Just because something doesn't apply 100% of the time doesn't mean it is tossed out or on equal grounds with something that works 0% of the time."

I think this applies to the "traditional" marriage, too. I mean, there have been a lot of changes in the westernized marriage system since it's largely decoupled from property acquisition and dowry, etc, but it's really just a way of doing things that fits in with other systems. There are people out there claiming arranged marriages still work great, if that's for them, go ahead. Heterosexual couples without kids. Stay at home dads. Remarriage with shared custody of kids. We've had to adapt the system a hell of a lot already, claiming that it's magically been intact throughout time and isn't going to roll with a few new punches isn't a very good argument.

All I know is that when a friend from work mentions his "ex-husband-in-law" (jokingly referring to his wife's ex-husband) is coming over to help work on his deck and everyone gets along reasonably well, then people are able to deal with reality fairly well.

― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)

and, since we're already getting horribly off-tangent talking about this, remember that to many people in this country, marriage legitimzes sex.

altho, things are complicated when a 22-year-old guy gets arrested for pedophilia for sleeping with his 14-year-old wife

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:09 (twenty years ago)

Nebraska allows people as young as 17 to marry if they have parental consent.

Kansas law, however, sets no minimum marriage age, although case law sets the minimum age at 14 for boys and 12 for girls. The marriage must be approved by both parents or guardian, or by a district court judge, said Whitney Watson, spokesman for Kansas Attorney General Phill Kline. A judge also must approve if only one parent approves.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:11 (twenty years ago)

Also, since I missed it, I assume Stewart didn't make any jokes relating to the whole google-bomb of the word "Santorum." Come on people, this is necessary!

― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:12 (twenty years ago)

if people like santorum are only against gay marriage because of the parenting issue, and they have to pass laws to uphold their great big ideal of "male husband + female wife --> happy family" (where children ALWAYS enter into the equation, because to them there "have" to be children for a real live family to exist, yeah?) could they eventually find a way to incriminate the act of NOT having children? if a couple is biologically able to have children (by any means necessary), but they just don't want 'em, is that a critical blow to the moral-values empire?

― noise dude, you're stepping on my mystique (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:16 (twenty years ago)

could they eventually find a way to incriminate the act of NOT having children?

thing is, some of the REAL scary fucks are all about this kinda thing. Slacktivist posts excerpts of an interview some months back ago where an ultraconservative guy talked about how bad "deliberate childlessness" was

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:19 (twenty years ago)

i know that's a really alarmist annoying question but i'm just trying to make a worst-case "by-extension" out of their logic.

― noise dude, you're stepping on my mystique (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:19 (twenty years ago)

in that case, maybe preaching abstinence is a bad thing!

― noise dude, you're stepping on my mystique (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:21 (twenty years ago)

holy shit, it really IS a major thing for these folks.

Deliberate Childlessness: Moral Rebellion With a New Face

Christians must recognize that this rebellion against parenthood represents nothing less than an absolute revolt against God's design. The Scripture points to barrenness as a great curse and children as a divine gift. The Psalmist declared: "Behold, children are a gift of the Lord, the fruit of the womb is a reward. Like arrows in the hand of a warrior, so are the children of one's youth. How blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them; they will not be ashamed when they speak with their enemies in the gate." [Psalm 127: 3-5]...

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:23 (twenty years ago)

fuck me, it goes on:

...The church must help this society regain its sanity on the gift of children. Willful barrenness and chosen childlessness must be named as moral rebellion. To demand that marriage means sex--but not children--is to defraud the creator of His joy and pleasure in seeing the saints raising His children. That is just the way it is. No kidding.

note that this comes from GenderNews.com, home of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood (CBMW)

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:25 (twenty years ago)

could they eventually find a way to incriminate the act of NOT having children?

i'm envisioning something like rosemary's baby where they kidnap suitable mothers and inject them with devil sperm!

― noise dude, you're stepping on my mystique (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:26 (twenty years ago)

okay, found the bit on Slacktivist about this, and about how it ties with much of the anti-gay marriage movements.

...In the name of "protecting marriage," [Southern Utah University professor Bryce Christensen] would create the mirror-image of China's one-child policy. Yet he tosses off such ideas nonchalantly, realizing that no one will pay attention to the fascist details of his agenda as long as he glosses them over with the rhetorical sheen of "marriage protection."

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

(xp) my favorite passage there:

Couples are not given the option of chosen childlessness in the biblical revelation. To the contrary, we are commanded to receive children with joy as God's gifts

commanded! receive children with joy OR ELSE!

― noise dude, you're stepping on my mystique (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:33 (twenty years ago)

Morrissey has openly advocated Stewart's presidency. If that doesn't make him a viable political candidate to be on the lookout for then I don't think they even exist.

!!!

― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:41 (twenty years ago)

Although all these "forced children" proponents are obviously crackpots. The fact that they can scrape together enough money to register a domain name doesn't mean they've got GWB's ear.

― nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 03:52 (twenty years ago)

the people who live next door to me, who are real fundie nuts (nice people though!) have like nine kids and almost all of them have kids of their own! i think they take the whole "be fuitful and multiply" thing to heart.

― latebloomer: You may order a puppet similar to this one (latebloomer), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 04:25 (twenty years ago)

Although all these "forced children" proponents are obviously crackpots. The fact that they can scrape together enough money to register a domain name doesn't mean they've got GWB's ear.

yeah, and loony religious foot have NEVER found any footholds in american politics.

of course these people are fucked in the head, but they should never be discounted, only tracked & analyzed.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 04:37 (twenty years ago)

something that works 0% of the time.

I know a lesbian couple in Minneapolis raising two adopted kids and doing just fine.

― Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

Morrissey has openly advocated Stewart's presidency. If that doesn't make him a viable political candidate to be on the lookout for then I don't think they even exist.

Okay, so Cunga's actually kidding. Whew!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)

Not picking on Barry, but he summarized it well & it was the easiest post to quote...

I see why you would say that, as that's how it appears. But still, it's political humor. He's in the business of interviewing politicians for thought-provoking entertainment. He's not accountable to anyone as a journalist. That's why he has the job he does - because he's allowed to hold a double standard. His job is to sell TV time. He occasionally gets on his high horse, but that's what people want to see. But he doesn't have any obligation to be responsible about it. He interviews politicians because it interests him.

So maybe crossfire doesn't have any obligation to be responsible either, I don't know.

Anyway, I think airwave-broadcast stations should be required to show 2 hours of news per day with no commercials (thus eliminating the need to "sell" their news programs with stories about kittens) and 24 hour news channels should be required to either A) show some segments of commercial-free news or B) change their names to 24 hour gossip channels.

― Draw Tipsy to see if you give a shit about art (Dave225), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

Dave is O.T.M.

Seriously, if you are yelling at Jon Stewart for not haivng any journalistic integrity, you are a gigantic mouth-breathing feeb.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

I know that it's Stewart's job to be funny. He doesn't "break" news stories, his job is to recycle them from other sources and put a humourous spin on them. Regardless, his opinion -- his spin on the stories he covers -- does carry a fair amount of clout amongst his loyal audience. The same is true of Bill O'Reilly and his audience. It's also clear that Stewart relishes this role and the influence that his show wields. Same with O'Reilly.

His top priority might be comedy, but if he wants to talk serious politics and have his opinion matter (which is does, has anybody disputed that on this thread) then he can't hide behind a "we're only the fake news!" meme every time he feels like it.

On ILM, the equivalent would be someone who wasn't a music writer discussing a topic with people who were, and every time their opinions are challenged, they write "but I'm not a music writer!" to deflect the rebuttals.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

(BTW, I'm not suggesting that Stewart = the liberal O'Reilly, the point is the same no matter which political commentator you pick)

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

Haha the ILM equivalent of Jon Stewart = ME

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

I think it's more a case of "This is what I think, but what the fuck do I know?" or "Kenny G Sucks, but I can't play clarinet to save my life."

In a recent interview with John Stewart on Fresh Air, he said that he has the perfect job because he can call other people on their bullshit, bus has no accountability himself. (er, sumpin like at.) Armchair newsman, ILX regular - me, right now. I'm just saying shit. It's not my job to say it well.

― Draw Tipsy to see if you give a shit about art (Dave225), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

Discussing the history of marriage w/ Santorum without going for laughs suggests delusions of journalism. It's like "Family Ties" winning a Peabody for a teen suicide episode, when no one watched it for that (because it wasn't any good, just trying to be IMPORTANT).

Stewart's intro joke last night -- "My Santorum interview sucked" -- suggests we're not the only ppl saying this...

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

Haha the ILM equivalent of Jon Stewart = ME

I'm like Jon Stewart too, oh no!

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

I think the real point is that Jon Stewart is not a credible political commentator, has never claimed or pretended to be a credible political commentator, and one of the funniest things about The Daily Show is that political commentary in this country has degenrated to the point where apparently no one can figure this out.

The Daily Show is just as surface and facile in its handling of headlines as Jon is in his handling of interviewees, it's just that the headlines are funnier. I personally thought the Santorum interview was hysterical because Jon kept cracking jokes and going off on tangents and Santorum had absolutely no idea of how to cope or interface with what was going on.

(xpost: Not blatantly making fun of a senator != delusions of journalism. Of course, Jon couldn't really get traction on anything because Santorum responded to everything put to him like he was a a Small World automaton caught screwing one of the Dumbo ride elephants, which generated its own humor in my household.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

I don't know, the interview I saw consisted of Stewart trying to make concerted criticisms of Santorum's views, tripping over his own rhetoric with phrases like "legislating ideals", and cracking jokes once he got flustered. You're looking at it like it was a carefully pre-planned trainwreck on Stewart's part, with Santorum trying desperately (and awkwardly) to play along.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

Which is exactly my point -- if he wants to handle Santorum with kid gloves and crack a few jokes, fine. But as soon as he tries pwning Santorum by attacking his views and getting in a debate with him over gay rights, then he's playing the part of a "real" journalist, even if he isn't one. If he wants to debate, good for him, but starting the debate and then running away once the fur starts to fly is a bit disingenuous.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

The entire interview started out with the "WE HAVE FOUND COMMON GROUND!" joke so it's not like it was completely po-faced until things started falling apart. There was also that little bit where Jon got offended and mentioned that he was raised by a single parent which probably wasn't meant to be funny but made me laugh.

I still think holding a comedian to the standards of a journalist is silly. I don't even take Al Franken seriously and he's actually attempting an earnest take on the pundit game.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

(Bsically, getting mad at Jon Stewart for this as opposed to, say, Katie Couric kind of plays directly into the opposition's hands, don't you think?)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

No, it's in holding a comedian to the standards of a comedian that Stewart falls flat on these bookings.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

huh? the usual standards of a comedian is 1) is he funny? 2) is he compelling?[which is usally just an extension of question (1)]

jon passes on these counts, at least.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

Maybe lets all just agree that Stewart runs the risk of becoming Al Franken, whose has become shockingly unfunny.

― Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Honestly, I think these days no mediating factor (or presenter or what have you) is necessary for the humor in politics.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

He doesn't pass while he's telling Santorum (orother pols the show's bits have ripped apart) "I think you're a good dude," which is what we're talking about.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

yes, and now he's never allowed to have a bum line, for that will thwart his funny status.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

Didn't Franken's turn from funny-fun to pol-pundit happen suddenly and quickly, tho (after that first book about Limbaugh and idiots)? Seems like Stewart's policing himself pretty well. Almost too well, actually - I kinda wish he did more soapboxing and less sub-Letterman double-take schticking. (I might've said this before, and I'll probably say it another 1924 times.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

Having a STRATEGY of interviewing pols with non-funny questions is not "having a bum line."

Before the "Limbaugh/Idiot" book, Franken had been unfunny for eons.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

I liked Franken's 1999 _Why Not Me_ book, uneven and in-jokey tho it was.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

He doesn't pass while he's telling Santorum (orother pols the show's bits have ripped apart) "I think you're a good dude," which is what we're talking about.

How old are you?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

I still think holding a comedian to the standards of a journalist is silly.

I don't think anyone is trying to hold Stewart to journalistic standards in the sense that he has to ask tough questions out of some sort of duty. It's more a feeling that we enjoy it when he does that sort of thing because it actually makes the show funnier. There is something genius about those moments when the show is able to savagely lampoon the media and yet simultaneously ask tougher questions than the "real media" would ever dare.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

Have any of you tried to talk to someone as neatly and impossibly opposed in 'values' to us, such as Rick Santorum? Or even anyone you know that has voted for Bush?? It's really fucking hard!!! I think Stewart does a very admirable thing in trying to approach these guests in a human way, and not the way most people seem to want which is just barking talking points back and forth like on Crossfire. For a long time I tried that strategy with people and found it was really unhelpful and there really is a wall that goes up, like Stewart says- you can't just change someone's mind in a conversation.

People seem to be annoyed that Stewart said Santorum is "a good guy"--is that not true? Santorum has some less than "good" beliefs but that's more a question of how you are raised, how much thinking you've done since then, and how intelligent you are to begin with. You can't just demonize people and treat them like subhumans because they aren't very enlightened--they're just misguided people! Why not relate to them like people and discuss things in a civilized manner? This is really important, and maybe is a cliché now, but it's a good lesson. It's really difficult to deal with these people on a purely personal level, and Stewart provides an excellent model for that.

He couches incisive jabs in irony, too, which may not be ROFL funny but entertains me plenty. I think that's his M.O. and in that sense he succeeds almost all the time and is doing a great service.

Also, we don't really live in a culture that looks kindly on truly grilling people face to face, rather than being nice. Compare the "town hall" debates with Bush to the equivalents with Blair (which I saw on Daily show, btw…) France has a talk show where the host just insults and belittles his famous guests for an hour (can't think of the name right now), but I hear it ends up being pretty unconstructive and embarrassing, though amusing. I don't think that kind of approach would work at all here, even if I'd love to see it. The Onion AV Club tried it but I think after making fun of Jim Breuer to the point where he actually seemed hurt or at least insulted, they gave up on it.

― richardk (Richard K), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

Santorum has been instrumental in pressing for some very evil policies. That makes him "not a good person" in my estimation. Judge by the fruits of their works and all that...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

and by "evil" I mean damaging to the social welfare, damaging to people unlike himself.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

which is not to say that I disagree about tactics when confronting "the other side". Civilized discourse, a polite manner, attempting to find common ground - I def. agree these are far better tools to persuade people with, as opposed to "barking talking points".

(altho the best way to convince someone their position is wrong is, of course, to get them to endure the consequences of said position themselves. which in this case I guess would be negating and outlawing Sen. Frothy Fecal Mixture's marriage.)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

I think Stewart is also trying to not piss off his guests by attacking them. Maybe he's a little uncomfortable with the level of success and the level guests that are now coming on the show. So he holds back a bit so that at least he can have a conversation with these people, and maybe get a little bit of understanding. If he had people on just to argue with them, well, bring back Morton Downey Jr. I mean, his role isn't to bring on Rick Santorum and say, "You said sex with turtles was the next step in human depravity. But didn't YOU once wax poetic about frothy..etc.." He's not a "hard-hitting" journalist. The role he has chosen (if you aren't content with comedian) is that he brings people on to maybe better understand their agenda, outside of their talking points.

xpost

― Draw Tipsy to see if you give a shit about art (Dave225), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

I dated someone during the first Bush Administration who supported the first Bush; it was one of several things we wound up fighting about. (I saw him on a recent trip and he's not just a Dubya rooter, he believes Our Jihad is divinely ordered. Yeah.)

Nobody 'learned' anything from that backscratching session the other night. As an ex-standup comic, I guess my argument is Stewart is breaking professional protocol by mocking these twerps in his satire -- the implicit premise of which is that they're dangerous and/or pathetic -- then sitting down in an interview (after a hearty and successfully diverting opening joke) which concludes "we're both good dudes who just disagree." If JS's critical appraisal is accurate and The Daily Show is Lenny Bruce without the arrest record, he's just sleeping with the enemy in these politico chats.

I think a guy who demonizes gay people as a matter of public policy (tho he doesn't mind hiring some queen to be his aide) is well worth demonizing, but that's just one fag's POV.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santorum

When the A.P. reporter asked, "OK, without being too gory or graphic, so if somebody is homosexual, you would argue that they should not have sex?", Santorum replied, "In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That's not to pick on homosexuality. It's not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be."

On July 20, 2004, while debating the Federal Marriage Amendment, Santorum said "defending marriage" was the "ultimate homeland security."

In July 2005 Santorum's Director of Communication, Robert Traynham, confirmed speculation that he was gay, describing himself as an "out gay man" who strongly supported Santorum, "a man of principle, he is a man who sticks up for what he believes in." Santorum himself responded to the controversy by praising Traynham and chiding those who made Traynham an object of "bigotry" to get to Santorum. He also said he knew that Traynham was gay.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

But I get the sense that Santorum is more ignorant than he is malevolent. Like Dan Quayle.

― Draw Tipsy to see if you give a shit about art (Dave225), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

While I understand not appreciating the implicit association, you realize that Santorum is saying that consensual gay sex is nothing like bestiality and pedophilia, yes?

I think the public figure of Rick Santorum is repellent and horrible. I have no idea what the private figure is like. As such, I feel no cognitive dissonance between roundly mocking the fucker's policies and ideas and someone who's spent more time talking to him than I have coming to the conclusion that at heart he's a decent person.

The Dan Quayle comparison is kind of OTM and there's an unspoken caveat going on here regarding how the end result of intentional or unintentional denigration and oppression of a particular demographic is the same regardless of intentions.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Why is that surprising? I remember reading that 23% of the openly gay folks in America voted for Bush in November. Which I guess means that one in every four gay people is voting for someone who wishes to hurt and oppress them (if not kill them!). They obviously don't know what they're doing and need to be educated about the subject.

― Cunga (Cunga), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

people vote against their own best interests all the time. It depends which interest they think is more important (tax breaks vs. hot married sex, etc.)

that being said, I don't believe that 23% statistic for a second. please verify/substantiate.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

23% of the openly gay folks in America voted for Bush in November.

NO fookin' way this is possible. is there state-by-state evidence/breakdown of this? what about the states that had anti-gay marriage ballot issues?

also, yeah, people always vote against their best interests. Narratives are far stronger than reality, no matter what the facts actually are.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

(I really like how Dr Morbius's evidence of the IRREDEEMABLE EVIL that is Rick Santorum are three passages that make him seem good-hearted on the one hand but painfully, unforgivably stupid on the other. OH SO EVIL.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

TS: stupidity vs. malevolence

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

that being said, I don't believe that 23% statistic for a second. please verify/substantiate.

Bush wins same portion of gay vote as '00

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

This CNN exit poll does corroborate the 23%:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

(scroll about halfway down the page)

Of course, feel free to disbelieve the accuracy of that poll, but the numbers in it are in line with what I remember hearing at the time.

xpost

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

People -- PLEASE. The number of Republican gays and lesbians out there is nothing to be shocked about.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

TS: undesirable trait #1 vs undesirable trait #2

xpost: YES IT IS ALL GAY PEOPLE ARE ALIKE (aren't they?)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

Agreed -- I don't see how 23% is a particularly high number. A 77-23 voting breakdown is a huge disparity, no matter what type of group we're talking about. Also: one's personal politics not exactly mimicking the candidates or parties you vote for ... SCHOCKA.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

don't discount the fact that 80% (at least/unscientific) of the voters are fucking idiots about who they're voting for.

― Draw Tipsy to see if you give a shit about art (Dave225), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

thx for the legwork MIR. (I agree that 23% of 4% is, well, not all that impressive a number)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

Hey, Bush is a "good guy" too right? More Americans would apparently rather have a beer with him than Kerry (never mind that he "doesn't drink" now) so he must be a good guy at heart huh? I'm sorry but that kind of idiotically diplomatic thinking is exactly why Democrats lose and why they will continue to do so for the forseeable future.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

It's hard to just write off gay Republicans as 'oh they think different,' though - they're only a couple of steps away from being black Lester Maddox voters. "Well, yeah, their ideology is all about fucking me over, but at least I get a tax break..."

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

Not every gay person is a club-goin' stonewall member either. They may be more concerned with national defense*, economy* and education* than with the right to marry.

(*Of course, they would be wrong about Bush as the best choice.)

― Draw Tipsy to see if you give a shit about art (Dave225), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

Saying that GOP hostility to homosexuality is limited to the 'right to marry' is putting things a bit nicely.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Gay Republicans only want to belong to clubs that wouldn't have somebody like them for a member.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

true. but that was the issue at stake (or so it appeared) in the last election.

― Draw Tipsy to see if you give a shit about art (Dave225), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

MOMUS COME BACK ALL IS FORGIVEN

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

It's annoying when John Stewart gets all precious. The show deserved all the praise it got, but has suffered from its own recognition of all that praise.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

I agree about the extent to which Santorum is evil, but exactly what, 'as a standup comic' would you do about it given Stewart's position as a talk show host? The savage "WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU I HOPE YOU DIE" I might be gratifying, but just alienates the person you're talking to obviously. Some subtle attempts to point out the complete fallacy of arguments, however, might lead to Santorum coming home a few hours later and randomly thinking "hey he is right about that one thing...liberals aren't frothing idiots, hmmm" or something along those lines.

I don't think this is the type of thinking that made the Democrats lose at all. The opposite is true, every time I screamed at a Republican in the run up to the election they became 200% more firmly entrenched in their position. Not ENOUGH of this kind of debate when on then, remember how it was all personal attacks of "Kerry is a fag" or "Bush is hitler" nature?? That clearly didn't lead to a democrat victory!

― richardk (Richard K), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

Hey, Bush is a "good guy" too right? More Americans would apparently rather have a beer with him than Kerry (never mind that he "doesn't drink" now) so he must be a good guy at heart huh?

exactly. Narratives are stronger than reality. if you have this framing hardwired so deep within("bush is a good guy"), reality/facts alone("bush was misleading, bush's guys lied, bush's guy leaked CIA identity", etc) will take forever to make you change your mind.

which is why it's fun to see people continually saying that "if the rest of america just knew the facts, we wouldn't be in the situation we are now", as if all humans are completely rational and see all facts the same way.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

...might lead to Santorum coming home a few hours later and randomly thinking "hey he is right about that one thing...liberals aren't frothing idiots, hmmm" or something along those lines.

You're dreaming.

What's far more likely is that more people in the center will think "Hey, that Santorum guy wasn't so bad. He sounded pretty calm and reasonable and Jon Stewart says he's a good guy."

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

I mean, that's basically what I took away from the interview and I'm a raging commie.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

I mean, that's basically what I took away from the interview and I'm a raging commie.

-- walter kranz

OTM, I'm afraid, for me as well. I guess it was an inspiring model of how to relate to those people personally, but maybe not how to treat them on national television that has an influence.

― richardk (Richard K), Thursday, 28 July 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

I got that impression too and I still think dude is a total nutbar freak who should be drummed out of the Senate by trained chimps. So I'm kind of guessing that the people who already feel that way will still feel that way, the people who liked him sill still like him and the people in the middle will continue being in the middle (seeing as they are in the middle because they either can't make up their mind on the issues Santorum represents or they really couldn't give two shits about what Santorum says).

Of course, if poll numbers come out that say that Democrats across the country now want to lick the backs of Santorum's knees, I'll recant, but I kind of didn't see anything in that (wafer-thin) interview that was of any use to someone who was undecided on the issue (and, at this point in American politics, those seem to be the only people who count).

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 28 July 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)

Stewart acknowledges his suckiness: http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/1gmarchive/002260.html#002260

― richardk (Richard K), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:22 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

the daily show is ON FIRE tonight (first new episode since katrina hit).

― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

Details pls, for those of us without tv.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)

It comes on in 35 minutes up here - can't wait!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

Details pls, for those of us without tv.

jon stewart says witty things about events in the news.

― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:33 (twenty years ago)

ed harris was more on fire than js

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:35 (twenty years ago)

though i suppose it amounts to the same thing

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:35 (twenty years ago)

for those without tv -- the daily show tends to get torrented and seeded very quickly after airing, so check the usual sources.

― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:35 (twenty years ago)

yeah, it more than met my (by now lowered) expectations for the show. preaching to the choir, but at least it makes me feel like less of a naive idiot for being as outraged as i am.

― dl, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 02:49 (twenty years ago)

i haven't watched the daily show for some time now. i think it thrives on its outrage, and it hadn't had something to get REALLY FUCKING MAD AT since the november election.

― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

and besides, sometimes the choir needs a good preaching-to to get it sufficiently riled up.

― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 03:12 (twenty years ago)

can't wait to hear lewis black's take.

― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 03:13 (twenty years ago)

his plan will to be to fight the water THERE so we don't have fight the water HERE

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 04:22 (twenty years ago)

haha yeah ed helms is usually my least fave but his bit in giants stadium was genius. Yam Shortage.

― dl, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 04:23 (twenty years ago)

That list of 26 disasters was genius. The day-by-day tracking of Bush's week was pretty otm too. I liked how Stewart ended it with Bush's bit about Trent Lott's house and then didn't even say anything, just gave a long disgusted look into the camera before cutting to the commercial.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 04:26 (twenty years ago)

oh, wow, I hadn't even heard Bush talk about his drinking and whoring days in N'awlins

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 04:30 (twenty years ago)

fight the water THERE so we don't have fight the water HERE

this particular gag has already been done brilliantly by fafblog, which i find it hard to believe the writers don't read.

i think i liked the daily show more when their news parodies were more "local TV news" parodies. it's still great stuff, though, especially the correspondents.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 04:33 (twenty years ago)

on a related note, check out the new ish of the Onion, if you haven't yet

― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 05:23 (twenty years ago)

NEW ORLEANS—Federal Emergency Management Agency director Michael Brown, leading a detachment of 7,500 relief workers, moseyed on down to New Orleans Monday afternoon. "Well, I do declare, it's my job to see if any of these poor folks need any old thing," Brown said from his command rocker on the command post porch, adding, "Mighty hot day, ain't it?"

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 05:44 (twenty years ago)

We must EAT ZUCCHINI, because we are ZUCCHINI EATERS.

Yeah, that list of disasters was priceless. TIGERS and UNICYCLISTS, NUCLEAR were my favorites.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

OK, where/when did Ed Harris vent?

I though JS's speechifying at the start was a little too straight, but the anger throughout was bracing, esp the clip of Douchebag saying "Trent Lott's gettin' a new house" and cutting directly to Stewart, who merely said "We'll be right back." Perfect.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

"Osama and Jenna sex tape" and "Voldemort" were my favorites.

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

does anyone else think that jon stewart is surprisingly unfunny when he's not working after a script?

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

Nope, his ad libs (esp during the celeb interviews) I've always considered his chief strength.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

maybe I've just seen him at his worst. I actually dont watch the show often.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

I agree, Stewart is pretty great with the ad libs.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

On his old show, at least 10 years ago, William Shatner had him in a love-scene clinch and JS said "You are going where no man..."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

I watched the show and it was funny, but having read this thread was kind of spoiler-not that I'm blaming y'all, you didn't force me to read it. What wasn't spoiled was JS's play on "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job."

― k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

"is it lonely being a visionary?"

"no."

"why's that, because you belong to some sort of visionary club or something?"

― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 8 September 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/306/bushaz4hh.jpg

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 8 September 2005 04:30 (twenty years ago)

YAM SHORTAGE

― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 8 September 2005 04:52 (twenty years ago)

i just like the "Osama & Jenna" one. You can already imagine the People Magazine covers.

besides, we all know it's destined for failure; she already snubbed Batboy years ago.

― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 8 September 2005 05:00 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha - i just noticed the RUS's!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 8 September 2005 08:21 (twenty years ago)

i'm quite excited that us deprived limeys will be getting the daily show later in the year (on morefour, fellow limeys), the international digest on cnn is pretty good, but i keep on forgetting about it...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Thursday, 8 September 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

You can watch it on the interweb, Steve - here:

comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/videos/most_recent/index.jhtml

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 8 September 2005 10:13 (twenty years ago)

IS there any reason why there is no G on that list?

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 8 September 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)

It's the implied GWB.

― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

heh. Never thought of that. that's pretty good.

― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

We still got 3 more years, let's not rule out the possibility of YAM SHORTAGE just yet!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

Why you wanna go and make me all nervous like that, nickalicious.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure that even if we have a yam shortage, there will be plenty of sweet potatoes to go around.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

watching tonight, the fact that Brian Williams can move so effortlessly from being a smarmy little shit to being a sanctimonious voice for the voiceless in New Orleans made me respect him even less. Good interview though. That's all.

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 9 September 2005 04:29 (twenty years ago)

well I was totally high when I watched that Brian Williams interview, and he did seem, well,kind of dramatic, but I thought it was affecting, really. I mean, for some reason, until that point, it hadn't really struck home how much the media were the only people bothering to cover everything down there. He seemed quietly outraged at the government. Maybe they're tired of the wool being pulled over their eyes by this administration.

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 10 September 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

Hunh. Williams is actually one of my favorite Daily Show regular guests (along with Fareed Zakaria), and my reaction was very unlike tremendoid's. Although his "I don't do opinions" bit was, shall we say, packed.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:06 (twenty years ago)

I didn't understand Brian Williams going on and on about "these were Americans!!" Yeah, we know that. And? Does he imagine that Americans are immune from death? It had a weird ring to it, like when newspapers started saying "hey, AIDS is affecting straight people, too!" And, similarly, the interview ended with Williams going "had this been San Fracisco, or Boston..." and Stewart's "yes, totally, well thank you. Brian Williams, ladies and gentlemen" -- where was Williams going with that? Any speculation? Had this been Boston, then what?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:39 (twenty years ago)

I thought he was trying to make the point that if this were an accident in a more affluent,on-the-radar city, the response would have been much more effective... he maybe was even trying to allude to the racial point, but i would think that'd be too hot-potato for an anchor.. I can't remember the context, though, so maybe he was saying something else... i didn't find the "these were americans" comment that weird, though; i mean, sure americans aren't immune from death, but large numbers in sub-third-world conditions is still shocking to see (esp. in person) given our resources, right?

― dave k, Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

xxpost oh I think his dry(callous) wit and smugness make him a very funny, engaging, clever guest on most occasions. I just couldn't help filtering his heartfelt account through the fact that he doesn't seem to have ever given a shit about anything imo. I guess he deserves the benefit of the doubt but I couldn't take it straight, he's too good a bullshitter and I'm too much of a cynic.

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

I think Brian Williams is typically a very funny/suave guest, but his appearance on here and, earlier on, Conan, always strike me as blatant attempts to lure young people to the daily news... i know all celebrity guest spots are plugs, but in this case (probably how stereotypically anchory he looks with the haircut and the facial expressions), it turns me off.

― dave k, Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

i think maybe he's like the evolved version 2.0 take on William Hurt's character in Broadcast News or something; charming but satanic!

― dave k, Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

ha I put 'fact' and imo in the same sentence, my intellectual immaturity laid bare. fresh meat for the wolves!

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

always strike me as blatant attempts to lure young people to the daily news

Well, yes, but he does it by being dryly sarcastic and by at least seeming to know his shit.

Since those are the qualities that I find missing from the daily news (and present on the Daily Show, let's say) then... what is the problem again? Oh, he probably doesn't actually deliver. I kinda suspect Fareed Zakaria doesn't deliver in his magazine either, but I haven't bothered to read that either. Either.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 11 September 2005 04:03 (twenty years ago)

Brian Williams has a very strange, strained air about him that I find off-putting, including when he's on The Daily Show. But he did some hella good reporting from New Orleans, and his blogging from there was good too. My respect for him has ratcheted up a bit. As long as I don't have to actually watch him very often.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 11 September 2005 04:08 (twenty years ago)

OMG did you guys see KURT VONNEGUT on the Daily Show last night!?!? I love that man so much.

They have been doing this EVOLUTION SHMEVOLUTION feature this week, it is, like, ASTOUNDINGLY funny.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

"That's why we have giraffes, hippos, and the clap."

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

what the hell was Samuel L Jackson going on about last week (unsure as to US broadcast, was included in weekly version)??? "i don't give money to the red cross becuase it's all bureaucracy, i just buy random people i see lunch" FFS???? and jon stewart is all "oh yeah sam, i love you [licklicklick]" exactly how fvcked is america?

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

"i don't give money to the red cross becuase it's all bureaucracy, i just buy random people i see lunch" FFS????

i think the mindset is still around(my drummer said as much) that they won't donate to the Red Cross or the United Way because "all they do is take your money, right?"

the Red Cross really didn't do a good job in getting the word out about fixing all the administrative issues they had 4 years ago...

― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

I'm amazed Kurt Vonnegut is still alive, much less still full of piss and vinegar. Bless 'im.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

He seems to be breathing hard even for 82. Don't you think about half the studio audience seemed not to know what "the clap" was...

Footage of witchhunter Coburn doing crossword at Roberts hearing, priceless.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

America's not THAT fucked, but there was and is a perception that donating to United Way and the American Red Cross or certain other very large charity organizations is effectively "donating" only half of that sum, and the other 50% is handed off to cover irresponsibly huge overhead expenses. So in a way it's almost like just paying taxes, just slightly less corrupt. Jackson was just remarking on something a lot of people have felt for a while about charity donations, especially after certain fiascos immediately following 9/11.

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

He seems to be breathing hard even for 82.

yeah, but I saw him speak about 17 years ago and he was breathing hard then. I wouldn't have expected him to still be with us.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

K-Von's a heavy smoker for serious.

― La Monte (La Monte), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

i'd trust the red cross before i'd trust newer, less-established charities. the red cross is very important, very powerful, very organized. they help people. even back when they were being criticized for 9/11, they were the ones out in the streets the next day, doing blood drives. and now, they put 91 percent of their proceeds towards non-administrative, non-fundraising, straight-up charity stuff. sure there are agencies where that number's higher, but for such a large organization, anything above 90% is pretty good.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 15 September 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

The segment where Helms treated Dover as though it were Colonial Williamsburg was so great!

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 15 September 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)

Dayton, you mean. I've been there. They're very proud of the Scopes Trial.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 15 September 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

And hey cool, the science historian guy on the panel tonight, I worked on a book with him.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 15 September 2005 02:38 (twenty years ago)

K-Von's a heavy smoker for serious.

not only that, he smokes pall freakin' malls!

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 15 September 2005 02:43 (twenty years ago)

that woman talking about balls of energy and twelve planes and feeling evolution in your soul was totally useless last night. the panel should have had a hard-core creationist instead.

― La Monte (La Monte), Thursday, 15 September 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

"Any speculation? Had this been Boston, then what?"

I'm suprised I haven't seen people drawing more comparisons to how those hurricanes were handled in Florida last year during the election campaign. I don't remember any serious complaints that the Feds were lagging behind during the middle of an election year, if anything it turns out Uncle Sam cut a whole lot of checks to people who had not even had any damage. On my satillite TV service, I have a Florida UPN network station and this is a story getting some coverage on their local news, but I have not seen it brought up much in national coverage.

― earlnash, Thursday, 15 September 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

gwyneth paltrow is very tall and has excellent posture.

― s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 16 September 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)

And big fake teeth that would make baba booey jealous. Also, I think he just succeeded in making her feel really stupid about being married to a rock star, which fills me with delight. Did you see her uncomfortable expression and squirming?

― C.S. Lewis, Friday, 16 September 2005 02:28 (twenty years ago)

Her new movie looks so awful. Math just doesn't make for good movies.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 16 September 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was kind of rude that he only asked questions about her husband. Stewart's fanboyish Coldplay obession is the one thing I don't like about him.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 16 September 2005 02:37 (twenty years ago)

http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/extras/vonnegut.jhtml (link currently dead)

From The Daily Show, September 13, 2005.

LIBERAL CRAP I NEVER WANT TO HEAR AGAIN

by Kurt Vonnegut

Give us this day our daily bread.

***Oh sure.

Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.

***Nobody better trespass against me. I'll tell you that.

Blessed are the meek.

Blessed are the merciful.

***You mean we can't use torture?

Blessed are the peacemakers.

***Jane Fonda?

Love your enemies.

***Arabs?

Ye cannot serve God and Mammon.

***The hell I can't! Look at the Reverend Pat Robertson. And he is as happy as a pig in shit.

― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 05:07 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I was disappointed when I read that list. I think it loses a lot if Kurt isn't reading it to you.

― when something smacks of something (dave225.3), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 10:02 (twenty years ago)

I've seen bits and episodes, before, here and there, but I watched the last week's worth of episodes and wish it were on a TV channel in the UK, that I have

it's quite funny

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 10:07 (twenty years ago)

ricky gervais is the guest tonight

― the happy smile patrol (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 22 September 2005 02:02 (twenty years ago)

I think it loses a lot if Kurt isn't reading it to you.

Yeah, that was kind of lame. Jon basically forced him to cut it short and let them put it on the website. They should have filmed a little segment after the show with him reading it out.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 22 September 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...

The Colbert Report starts tonight.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8595/colbertreport4zg.jpg

Stephen is woven into the fabric of modern American life... if this were Venezuala, they'd nationalize him.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 17 October 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

So is this going to be two tv shows of the exact same thing?

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 17 October 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

If it were that would be fine by me but I think the Colbert Report is more of a fake Bill O'Riley style commentary show rather than a fake news show. So it's a slight variation on the theme.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 17 October 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

I'm excited for this, as I can't take Stewart's constant mugging anymore.

― miccio (miccio), Monday, 17 October 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

here ya go: vid of Jon Stewart and Bill O'Reilly

― kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 05:55 (twenty years ago)

O'Reilly won that one.

(Paraphrasing)
O'REILLY: "France is our enemy!"
STEWART: "Well, be that as it may..."

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

He didn't mention cindy at all did he?

― Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

Jon did. OReilly was just being a surly dickhead and posturing most of the time.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Stewart actually is a 'fake newsman' only when he's playing straight for the correspondents (ie, the part of his job a trained monkey can do). It's japing at the prevarications and idiocies of the guvmint and media -- in something approximating HIS VOICE -- that is the meat of the show.

Colbert can be funny and I'll give his show a try, but mocking the O'Reillys and Scarboroughs 2 hours a week? That's overkill: pomposity, knee-jerk xenophobia, ignorance -- WE GET IT after 3 minutes. (and apparently a 40ish white guy sayin "bitch" is a guaranteed laugh for some older than 13)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

yeah, but he's like a cross between o'reilly, ron burgundy and his correspondent gig on the daily show!

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

I agree Colbert might be better off being on weekly or a couple days a week like them news magazine shows.

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Jon could've ripped into O'Reilly, but he was too polite/civil.
God, O'Reilly really looked uncomfortable. What a cockhead!
Jeers & boos justifiablly classic.

All in all, I was expecting a classic TV showdown, but it was somewhat a letdown.

The least Jon should have done was bitchslap Billy Boy hard. Fuck the straightman shit. He had Bill O'REALLY on the show. Pwn him!!!

― Star Hustler, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

Jesus fucking Christ, what exactly do you people want from this show?

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

I mean really, is Bill O'Reilly that intimidating?
Phil Donahue stood up to his punkass.
Colbert would have done better.

Oh, Dan, it was still funny enough.

― Star Hustler, Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Jesus fucking Christ, what exactly do you people want from this show?

Water turned into wine, etc.

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

I get the feeling some of you won't be happy until The DAily Show starts holding public executions.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

No, then the quality of the executions will be critiqued.

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

"Condi's got a really skinny neck! Why the hell did it take six chops to get her head off? Stewart is so weak, dude; he should have lopped her nugget off with one righteous swing."

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

It's not just Jon Stewart, but liberals in general. Someone says "France is our enemy!" and the liberal response is usually, "Yeah, well, be that as it may..."

I'd like to see someone say 'FRANCE IS NOT OUR ENEMY! OUR ENEMY ARE THE PEOPLE WHO HIJACKED THOSE PLANES!' But that never happens.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

BECAUSE THIS IS A COMEDY SHOW AND THAT IS NOT FUNNY

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

PP OTM

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

And also THAT'S PRETTY MUCH EXACTLY WHAT STEWART SAID WITH HIS WHOLE PEANUTS ANALOGY.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

By allowing people like O'Reilly to call France our enemy is to allow anyone who criticizes the war or the current U.S. policy to be labeled "our enemy". And it's wrong for someone to make that connection and it's wrong for someone to let it just slide by.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

So, is the deal that you guys just need something to whine about, therefore you'll grasp at any random straw you can get?

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

I really didn't follow the Peanuts analogy. Marcie=France:Lucy=al-Queda?

If I'm grabbing at straws, Stewart's got a whole haystack.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

Since the current administration got into power largely through very careful use of language I don't think it's unimportant for liberals to analyze and criticize their own use of language.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

I really didn't follow the Peanuts analogy.

Wow, really? I wouldn't have guessed at all, especially considering that it addressed exactly what you're complaining about in exactly the manner you're complaining Stewart let O'Reilly slide.

If I'm grabbing at straws, Stewart's got a whole haystack.

Actually, it's more like you are at best precisely as intelligent and reasonable as Bill O'Reilly.

(xpost: Walter, parroting my words back at me is not going to make me think that you are any smarter.)

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

I turn to FOX and see neocons ripping off the necks of liberals and shitting down the hole.

I turn on the so-called liberal channels and see people making convoluted cartoon analogies and Wolf Blitzer walking around in front of a giant screen like Morgan Freeman in the opening credits of "The Electric Company."

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

"convoluted"

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

http://www.bettsiv.com/gif/marcie.gif http://www.decodeunicode.org/data/glyph/196x196/003D.gif http://www.grammarstation.com/flagquiz/france.gif

IN YOUR FACE, O'REILLY!

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

Stewart led off by making fun of France, then saying 'I never said they were our friend' - he never actually takes on O'Reilly's argument. Rather than attacking the argument that France is an enemy, he argues they're not our 'real' enemy.

― Are You Nomar? (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

Colbert Report was as great as I could have wished. Stone Phillips as the guest was genuinely surprising - they were actually kinda mean to each other.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

>I get the feeling some of you won't be happy until The DAily Show starts holding public executions.<

If the p.o.v. of your Peabody Award-winning satire is that Bill O'Reilly, Zell Miller and Ari Fleischer are assclowns, you shouldn't have them on for any reason than to shit on them. Preferably a steamy, wet, post-chicken vindaloo shit.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

why chicken, instead of lamb?

― kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

The Daily Show isn't Frontline or 60 Minutes, people. It's a FUNNY TALK SHOW.

― elmo (allocryptic), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Daily Show > the last 20 years of 60 Mins on journalistic content

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

Daily Show > the last 20 years of 60 Mins on journalistic content

bullshit.

― elmo (allocryptic), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

yeah c'mon IT IS IMPERVIOUS TO CRITICISM PPL, you're all being very silly, and upright, and not whimsical enough, i mean you just need to lighten up guys really. it's just a talk show.

― barthelme's foot, Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

You're right, 60 Minutes is bullshit.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

Repeat to yourself: I AM NOT ARGUING ABOUT THE DAILY SHOW ON THE INTERNET

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

it should be remembered that the Daily Show didn't achieve its current bent on media criticism or talking to politicos until sometime in 1999, when Stewart took the reigns. Also, John McCain's bemusement with the show during the 2000 election helped a great deal; Colbert & Carrell asking him questions from Trivial Pursuit cards at press events & McCain making sincere attempts to answer them, McCain complimenting the two of them on their coats, etc.

"He liked our coats! He liked out coats!"

Still, one's gotta wonder what Stewart & Ben Karlin think of all the folks coming to them with the expectations of a harder-hitting(i.e. more pointed questions & follow-ups) show.

― kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

>Colbert & Carrell asking him questions from Trivial Pursuit cards at press events & McCain making sincere attempts to answer them<

Mo Rocca (sorely missed) was in there I believe...

The politico-guests really got ramped up in the last year. I vastly preferred JS humiliating Jennifer Love-Hewitt.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

Stewart's own comments during his appearance on Crossfire, I think, are to the point: "You're on CNN. The show that leads into me is puppets making crank phone calls."

― elmo (allocryptic), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

I saw Moe Rocca talk at my school and it sucked. :(

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

Stewart on Crossfire vs his friendly interviews w/ wingnuts = hypocrisy?

I saw Mo Rocca on the F train once and it ruled.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

The Daily Show isn't Frontline or 60 Minutes, people. It's a FUNNY TALK SHOW.

You know who isn't funny? Bill O'Reilly. You know what's even less funnier than that? Having Bill O'Reilly on and playing pattycake with him.

If The Daily Show is just a funny lil' basic cable comedy show, then why have all the politicians and inky wretches come on to debate the serious issues? I know that Thomas Frank interview was a real freakin' knee-slapper. Or the smug way that Jon Stewart looks at the camera after a ridiculous presidential soundbite and says "We'll be right back" in a tone that says to the viewer "This shit is funny, but it's also REAL."

I guarantee you that if Bill O'Reilly appeared on "Crank Yankers", they would've ripped him nine more holes than TDS did.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

bill oreilly is pretty funny

― _, Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

Let's point out that the "debate" on the Daily Show is like 4 minutes long.

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

Since when is Stewart obliged to "rip holes" in his guests? FUNNY TALK SHOW.

― elmo (allocryptic), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

The talk (ie, ass-kissing 'big-name' blowhards) isn't usually funny. Stewart riffing on the news and 'mugging' is what's funny.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

this has probably been mentioned upthread, but Jon did dig in pretty well against Rick Santorum, and the Chris Hitchens debate was certainly lively as well.

also, O'Reilly isn't a politician - assuming he DESPERATELY NEEDS to be ripped into is playing right into his hands b/c it's presupposing he's just that goddamn important and powerful

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Thursday, 20 October 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

Josh, you missed the earlier thread where a bunch of these same people were howling "OMG WHY DIDN'T JON STEWART GOUGE OUT SANTORUM'S EYES WITH A FORK AND SKULLFUCK HIM?????"

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 October 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

Three words:
President. Ann. Coulter.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 21 October 2005 03:17 (twenty years ago)

we have this show, the day after, now, on a new channel. it is good but JS's OTT mugging gets rather boring

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 21 October 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)

(and apparently a 40ish white guy sayin "bitch" is a guaranteed laugh for some older than 13)

If you think 40ish white men ending sentences with "bitch" isn't funny than I'd like to introduce you to a 30ish black comedian who also had a show on Comedy Central. Oh wait, that bit wasn't that funny either.

― Cunga (Cunga), Friday, 21 October 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

IT'LL GET YA DRUNK!

― kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 21 October 2005 05:34 (twenty years ago)

So this show is now airing nightly in the UK, right?

What do you guys over there think after watching it on a regular bases?

― kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 21 October 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

The Rick James and Sam Jackson beer skits are BOTH funny, you're mental.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 21 October 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

(bases? -> basis)

― kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 21 October 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

That John Stewart interview with Peggy Noonan was pretty pathetic.

Yah: "The Pope ended Communism." Gee whiz, I guess so. And he and Reagan helped fags and junkies die, too.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

ok, i gave the white stripes another chance and... i still can't tell the difference between them and the black crowes.

― like a circle in a spiral, like a wheel within a wheel (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 2 December 2005 04:31 (twenty years ago)

They're mods and the Black Crowes are rockers, what's wrong with you?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 2 December 2005 04:43 (twenty years ago)

They dress in red and white and have no bass player! Apparently this sets them apart from a million other wannabe Led Zep bar bands.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 December 2005 08:39 (twenty years ago)

It looked red and black on my laptop.

Either way, wow was that boring. I hope music doesn't become a regular part of the Daily Show.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 2 December 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes an occasional thing. With Colbert they're kind of turning that block into a two-headed late nite talk show, so bands playing wouldn't be out of the question. Hopefully not every day.

― TOMBOT, Friday, 2 December 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

I have tickets to see John stewart live next sunday, is this going to be a bust. (haven't sen daily show for a while as I've had no internet and I ned to fix my freeview).

― Ed (dali), Friday, 2 December 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

Most of the time the Daily Show is still pretty enjoyable, but a lot depends on the guest. Hopefully you won't get a dud.

― Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Friday, 2 December 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

Next Sunday? Is it something other than TDS?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 2 December 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 2 December 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)

ARM HAIR

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

I liked Stewart giving Nancy Pelosi shit about Kerry doing TV standups on the war.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

I bet the bands are going to be a regular thing now. Perhaps that's why they moved to a new studio and gave Colbert the old one. They seemed to have a pretty large space and elaborate setup in place for the performance. Stewart probably dreams of having Coldplay on eventually.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

I liked Stewart giving Nancy Pelosi shit about Kerry doing TV standups on the war.

Really? I thought that was pretty stupid of him. Who else are the Democrats going to send out there? Howard Dean? Some unknown congressperson or a presidential hopeful who has everything to lose? The obvious choice is the nationally known figure who was almost elected president and has nothing to lose at this point.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

Rob Corddry's Wednesday report on the war, "De-Weakening Iraq" I think it was called, was as tightly written as anything I've seen on any episode of this show! It provoked questions I hadn't ever really thought about. I don't know if Corrdddrry wrote it himself, but he his delivery was perfect.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)

If that's a reference to Kerry's conference earlier this week, Stewart may have had a good point.

(Not sure if Pelosi was the one to get onto for that.)

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

life-size Adam Carrolla! You shouldn't have...

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

If that's a reference to Kerry's conference earlier this week, Stewart may have had a good point.

Interesting. That Kos comment reinforces my feeling that Stewart's comments were just an insider grudge. After all he still covered Kerry's speech but not Jack Reed's speech right?

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

The best part of last night's Daily Show was when they interviewed that security consultant, btw.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Saturday, 3 December 2005 04:28 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but that report is from, like, last year.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 3 December 2005 04:45 (twenty years ago)

walter kranz, like Dave Grohl, has contributed to Kerry 2008?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 3 December 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

I like the Black Crowes.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Saturday, 3 December 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

they have one or two okay songs (just like the white stripes).

― The Great Pagoda of Funn (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 December 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

Yes, that's the Kerry conf Stewart used as grist.

Who else are the Democrats going to send out there?...The obvious choice is the nationally known figure who was almost elected president and has nothing to lose at this point.

The nationally known Joke whose only coherent line for or against the war in a 2-year campaign was 'If I'd known what we know now -- I'd still have voted to authorize.'

As Lucy Van Pelt would say, Kerry unavoidably has "a failure face."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

Kerry makes me feel ashamed to be a registered Democrat. He should pack it in and admit that his political career is over... instead he's like the evil professor in Reanimator.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

walter kranz, like Dave Grohl, has contributed to Kerry 2008?

Dr Morbius, as usual, doesn't know what he's talking about?

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

Kerry doesn't make me ashamed to be more Democrat-aligned than Republican-aligned, but dude does seriously need a gigantic PR overhaul which whould probably begin with the words, "Look America, the 2004 campaign was an exercise in stupidity and I'm sorry for wasting your time; as amends, I give you naked dancers."

― Dan (I'd Vote For Him) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 December 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

Undergrad jock Jon Stewart had awesome thighs:

http://www.gawker.com/news/sports/jon-stewart-very-very-offside-141445.php

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

oh yum.

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

I don't know how to feel about gawker having a 'jews' category, though.

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

hottt

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Thursday, 8 December 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

ROWR

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 8 December 2005 02:40 (twenty years ago)

COME TO PAPA

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 8 December 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)

"Mr. Youth was being a dick."

― kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 16 December 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

That Demetri guy is so "alt."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 December 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...

Last week's Coot-Off between Robert Byrd and Ted Stevens was rather choice.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 15:00 (twenty years ago)

nice joke about killing a hobo!

okay daily show writer dude, we know you're lurking here, fess up.

― yvette yreka (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 January 2006 04:09 (twenty years ago)

that's not the first time they've had hobo killing jokes!!

but still, stop stealing our jokes, daily show

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Friday, 13 January 2006 04:17 (twenty years ago)

The author on last night, Peter Bergen, had this weird flailing laugh, like a Mark McKinney character.

― kingfish russian bigamist (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 13 January 2006 04:42 (twenty years ago)

i posted this on slocki's thread too, but the daily show used the phrase "the thumbsucker proxy" as the title of a newsbit two days after someone posted it to the film title mashup thread. coincidence? oh, probably.

― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 13 January 2006 04:49 (twenty years ago)

How much of an audience does this show have over in the UK now, anyway?

― kingfish russian bigamist (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 13 January 2006 05:07 (twenty years ago)

There's been a bunch of weird ilx-Daily Show coincidences.
A. Bunch.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 13 January 2006 05:45 (twenty years ago)

Jon Stewart is a goon and a fan of intelligent dance music and has made two threads about lost IDM classics.

― Cunga (Cunga), Friday, 13 January 2006 07:34 (twenty years ago)

THNK HES A GOOOON?!!1

― kingfish russian bigamist (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 13 January 2006 07:45 (twenty years ago)

he showed a PHOTOSHOPed image of Bush last week doing something and said something about Johnny Carson being part of a GOLDen are of COMEDY the next night he's sending us signals I think. very tricky jon but we read ya ;-)

― Cunga (Cunga), Friday, 13 January 2006 08:00 (twenty years ago)

IT IS A MYSTARY!

― kingfish russian bigamist (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 13 January 2006 08:07 (twenty years ago)

intelligent dance music

ROFL

The Colbert tag where he was sobbing like Mrs. Alito was as funny as anything I've seen on his show in awhile.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 January 2006 14:16 (twenty years ago)

i just saw jon stewart hailing a cab in front of my office, there's your connection.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Haha maybe Jon Stewart would like to peruse some of the albums in my amazon blowout

― TOMBOT, Friday, 13 January 2006 15:43 (twenty years ago)

TDS has used "douchebag" and "taint" tonight.

― danielle the animal steel (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 18 January 2006 04:06 (twenty years ago)

The 'taint' thing was WAY too long, they shoulda cut straight to the D.C. map.

Since I avoid cable news networks, this is the only place I catch things like Mayor Nagin's "chocolate city / God is sending hurricanes" embarrassment. I mean, holy shit.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 January 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

Same here. Well i avoid paying for cable.
But that "chocolate city" thing - you can't make that stuff up!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 20 January 2006 15:29 (twenty years ago)

Of the two new guys(since we're down to Ed Helms, Samantha Bee(on the baby DL), and Rob Cordry), I'm liking Dan Bakkedahl(the balding frumpy one). I'd kinda like to see them bring on Jon Hodgson as a regular commentator.

― kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 20 January 2006 15:35 (twenty years ago)

I now am at the point where I no longer mind missing the Daily Show but I try to catch as much as possible of Colbert. Mr. Stewart, you have been surpassed.

― TOMBOT, Friday, 20 January 2006 15:46 (twenty years ago)

I'm still calling SC a parody of a joke. Stewart does NOT need to be interviewing Paul Bremer, however.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 January 2006 15:49 (twenty years ago)

unconfirmed report that Samantha Bee finally had her kid, and it turns out that she's married to Jason Jones, the other new correspondent.

Also, Rob Corddry's wife is expecting this summer.

― kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 20 January 2006 19:02 (twenty years ago)

What was up with SC last night. He seemed nervous and his timing was all over the place.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 20 January 2006 19:09 (twenty years ago)

he was really bad the night before too

― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 20 January 2006 19:11 (twenty years ago)

I also thought JS was genius last night at ripping on McClellan.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 20 January 2006 19:12 (twenty years ago)

Dunno. haven't seen them yet. Tuesday night's "Word" segment was off, tho.

― kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 20 January 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Cocaine's one helluva drug?

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 20 January 2006 19:25 (twenty years ago)

I thought I was the only one thinking that!

― Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Friday, 20 January 2006 19:40 (twenty years ago)

http://www.seancoon.org/2006/01/the_daily_show_taint_nothing_but_a_thang.html

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 23 January 2006 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Kingfish, does the fact that Samantha was described on a recent episode as taking care of her new baby and shown in a photograph with baby on her tit count as an "unconfirmed report"?

That was, easily, the best use of a nursing mother photo I've ever seen.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 23 January 2006 20:05 (twenty years ago)

Certainly, in that I didn't see that ep and didn't they had gone with that bit.

― kingfish kuribo's shoe (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 23 January 2006 20:06 (twenty years ago)

this says it all

Back in 2002, when I was Nerve dating, I met a very attractive and seemingly cool woman. Our profiles showed we were both into hip-hop, specifically Talib Kweli, she was at a non-profit while getting her post-grad degree and lived just a few neighborhoods away in Brooklyn.

― stockholm cindy (winter version) (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 23 January 2006 20:19 (twenty years ago)

i hate talib kweli :(

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Monday, 23 January 2006 20:32 (twenty years ago)

hey, that taint right, kweli is dope! ;-)

― sean coon, Monday, 23 January 2006 22:43 (twenty years ago)

Jon & his wife Tracy just had a baby girl over the weekend

― kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2006 22:25 (twenty years ago)

Ooh, maybe Ed Helms will get to present Monday's show.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 6 February 2006 22:45 (twenty years ago)

I saw him on Friday having breakfast in a restaurant with the other baby.

― Redd Harvest (Ken L), Monday, 6 February 2006 22:50 (twenty years ago)

The website says tonight is a repeat

― kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 6 February 2006 23:53 (twenty years ago)

jon stewart is a man with healthy sperms.

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Lewis Black is getting his own show, which explains where he's been lately.

He's calling it "Red State Diaries."

Really..

― kingfish has gene rayburn's mic (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 19:32 (twenty years ago)

Well, at least he's off the Daily Show.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 21:01 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...

Jason Jones is pretty studly for a comedian.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 February 2006 14:43 (twenty years ago)

He's also not very comedic for a comedian.

― richardk (Richard K), Thursday, 23 February 2006 16:12 (twenty years ago)

The baby thing was the best so far, I think.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 February 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)

the "let's ridicule foreigners and their media coverage" is getting really REALLY tired.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 23 February 2006 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Jon was on Larry King

KING: You don't want Medicare to fail?

STEWART: Are you insane?

KING: No.

― kingfish, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 02:14 (twenty years ago)

(talking about hosting the Oscars)

KING: Are you going to have a spectacular opening?

STEWART: Oh!

KING: A Billy Crystal kind of thing, a dance, a dance?

STEWART: As you know I am a triple threat.

KING: Are you going to do something? Are you going to dance?

STEWART: I'm going to -- I have been studying some of the openings. I've got a Gene Kelly (INAUDIBLE) that is going to blow you away. It's going to be a -- I'm sorry, did I say Gene Kelly? I meant Gene Rayburn.

KING: That's too hip for them.

STEWART: It's too hip for the room, all right, fair enough.

― kingfish, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 02:20 (twenty years ago)

neil young is tomorrow night's guest!

― Shelly Winters Death Clip (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 06:31 (twenty years ago)

"He tore a phone book in half and fucked a Coke machine."

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Thursday, 9 March 2006 04:15 (twenty years ago)

the new guy(?) in the first segment was great, no one else has done it that low-key(more think tank wonk than fake reporter), I hope he's a regular.

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Thursday, 9 March 2006 04:24 (twenty years ago)

i liked that guy a lot too.

― Knute Rockne, All American (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 9 March 2006 04:25 (twenty years ago)

Me thirded.

Was Neil Young wearing *exactly* the same outfit he wore onstage in the movie?

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 9 March 2006 04:27 (twenty years ago)

which new guy? jason jones or the frumpy balding guy?

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 9 March 2006 04:31 (twenty years ago)

a new new guy. the bald guy is getting better too though. his thing on the minnesota jail last night was great.

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 9 March 2006 04:34 (twenty years ago)

It's unanimous, even TDS sound like frothing reactionaries on Barry Bonds and steroids.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Last night I learned that Neil Young and I both have a dog named Carl. WE HAVE A PSYCHIC CONNECTION, clearly.

― The Milkmaid (82375538-A) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 9 March 2006 14:39 (twenty years ago)

I think John Hodgeman is a first case where somebody brought on as a guest talking about their book (The Areas of My Expertise) winds up becoming a guest correspondent. I hope to see more of him, too.

The long, long pause between "He tore a phonebook in half and tried to fuck a coke machine" and Jon's response was pretty priceless. Dr Morbius, you think I'm a frothing reactionary. Me!

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:04 (twenty years ago)

not generally!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:08 (twenty years ago)

Haha I really don't think that the Daily Show segment could be called "frothing," it should more be called "an excuse to claim Barry Bonds ripped a phone book in half and then fucked a Coke machine."

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:15 (twenty years ago)

Also "an excuse to claim a random Chinese man turned into a panda".

― Dan (THAT'S RACIST.gif) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 9 March 2006 15:37 (twenty years ago)

It's unanimous, even TDS sound like frothing reactionaries on Barry Bonds and steroids.

and one should be a liberal on this issue because...

― Knute Rockne, All American (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:07 (twenty years ago)

morbs likes small balls, he's rumpie's antipode re: up in yr mouth.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:11 (twenty years ago)

Its good for the kids! Look at the EXCITEMENT they generated! THE HOME RUNS!!!!!

― Big Loud Mountain Ape (Big Loud Mountain Ape), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:12 (twenty years ago)

"The effect of performance-enhancing drugs on a ballplayer’s abilities remains to be defined. McGwire and Bonds do not make a study proving their effect. Surely they made these men bigger than they would have been otherwise. But Gabe Kapler is a big man, and he hasn’t hit many home runs. Cecil Fielder contained more pure fat than a double-stuff Oreo and he popped 50 a year. Jason Giambi, in his post-whatever phase (“Whatever” standing in for the mostly unclarified/unconfirmed aspects of his story) slugged .535 last year. Check out the list of players who have been caught since testing began. There aren’t any McGwires in the group, just a lot of hapless minor leaguers. Whatever the effect of the drugs, they apparently have to be earned, or accompanied by a whole lot of natural ability, or both. The ball also has to be loaded up, as it clearly has been since the late 1990s. If Bonds took a time machine and some Winstrol back to 1906 he’d still top out at 15 home runs because that’s what the prevailing conditions allowed for.

This should not be construed as an excuse or an apology for Bonds. What he did was wrong, and if, the story is correct in its particulars, motivated entirely by a childish jealousy. He’s a rat. Yet the story of exactly what he got out of his increased bulk, to what degree the record-setting seasons are attributable to this Popeye eating the spinach, that is not a simple matter, regardless of what the chronology of the story seems to imply."

http://yesnetwork.com/yankees/pinstripedbible.asp

...or see I Love Baseball.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)

plz to quote more blogs

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:16 (twenty years ago)

Check out the list of players who have been caught since testing began. There aren’t any McGwires in the group, just a lot of hapless minor leaguers.

OK seriously what point is this trying to make?

I'm all for quoting the YES Network though :D

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:20 (twenty years ago)

Rafeal Palmeiro is a hapless minor leaguer?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:25 (twenty years ago)

Cherry-pick the exceptions, Y dontcha...

"blount couldn't find my hole with a miner's hat."
- Andrew Sullivan

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:27 (twenty years ago)

andrew sullivan otm

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:27 (twenty years ago)

But what point does it make, regardless of the veracity of the statement?

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Ally, I really can't explain baseball and film in a way to get through to you, I've got maybe 40 years left.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:29 (twenty years ago)

So you're racist AND sexist.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:30 (twenty years ago)

What is so difficult to understand about the question? Throwing in some "Only suck ass players get caught" thing in the middle of the paragraph seems to undermine everything a little bit. OF COURSE there is no McGwires in the list. That is the POINT of the Spanish Inquisition going on in baseball all of a sudden. Too many people bitching about them scapegoating the little guy in a dog-and-pony "drug testing" show when yr Bonds and McGwires are "ruining baseball" and taking the records from "honorable old players" and shit like that.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:32 (twenty years ago)

The effect of bullshit accounting practices on a company's net worth have yet to be defined.

Lots of companies have been busted since anybody besides the corrupt and moribund SEC started giving a flying fuck about accounting practices; most of them hapless sub-Fortune 1000 operations. Whatever the effect of the fudging, it apparently has to be earned, or accompanied by a lot of natural ability, or both. The market has to be loaded up, as it clearly has been since the late 1990s. If Enron took a time machine and a second set of books back to 1906 they'd still have gone belly-up because that's what the prevailing conditions allowed for.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:32 (twenty years ago)

Tombot ex machina!

I'm only funnin', gal youngun. I agree entirely with your last post (I think), but sometimes yr train of thought goes express when I need to get off at 28th Street.

Also, nearly every MLB player between 1950 and 2006 took bennies, apparently. (As I guess many of the Daily Show writers do.)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:36 (twenty years ago)

ally the two sides of the sportstalk argument (and you thought ilx was stupid!) are 'strength is ALL you need to hit' steroid hysterics that don't note b-b-but different numbers for jeremy and jason giambi and that steroids don't exactly work as magic pills (my understanding is most of them work mainly by allowing or amplifying more weight lifting)(this is how creatine works at least right?) vs. 'strength has no impact on hitting' reactionaries for some reason recognizing hysterics idiocy and creating an opposite idiocy of their own (maybe morbs isn't rumpie's antipode, maybe he's jim bunning's)(same diff) wherein we're supposed to ignore that added strength might turn a flyball into a homer and revert to really old cw that 'weight lifting is bad for a ballplayer, don't wanna get too strong o no sirree bob'. are there other factors to explain offensive explosion of the nineties besides steroids? yes. are these factors probably bigger factors than steroids? yes. are any of these other factors illegal? no. do steroids work? yes. have at least half of the mvp winners of the past ten years been juiced? yes. do i care? no.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:41 (twenty years ago)

blount = david peel + john mclaughlin. without the charm.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:45 (twenty years ago)

blount i agree with that except for "do steroids work? yes." sure they work to build muscle mass etc but what exactly does that mean in baseball terms? that's what the debate comes down to, and it's something absolutely worth quantifying from a moral to a statistical to even a marketing level. and it's something that the skip baylesses of the world push against, saying that cheating is cheating. well it is, except when it wasn't outlawed by baseball and everyone looked the other way and in the end the cheating might be irrelevant anyway. i definitely believe that steroids change a player's performance, but the issue is how much. and yr last two sentences ("have at least half of the mvp winners of the past ten years been juiced? yes. do i care? no.") i COMPLETELY agree with.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:45 (twenty years ago)

What jams said.

'strength has no impact on hitting' reactionaries

Yeah right, that's me. Grow the fuck up.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:49 (twenty years ago)

well 'work' is relative obv., one thing i don't get is why a player would juice (which is illegal, 'cheating', and bad for yr health though maybe morbs can chime in and say 'nothing's been proven!' on that score like bernie goldberg, who's his plain ol' pode i guess) but not go in and say 'gimme ted william's eyes' with some laser surgery which would surely enhance one's performance more. i think steroid's biggest impact is it got players working out more, hitting the gym, etc. baseball players are still probably the sorriest excuses for athletes among the big three but the gulf isn't nearly as big as it was twenty years ago.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 March 2006 21:55 (twenty years ago)

ten million xposts

blount, with the right diet and exercise volume (and poss. GH and insulin + anti-rebound drugs [clomid or any estrogen blocking type of shit is a necessary chaser with any anabolic cycle]), they do almost act as a magic pill! but yeah, they do allow you to lift with more weight and frequency but only cause they actually do promote tissue growth so you're stronger and recover faster. the alleged list of what bonds and giambi probably took is fucking amazing. crazy state of the art testosterone sublinguals and creams (the method was combining test + epitest cause they appear in the same ratio in the body, so the lab doesn't see a wacked out ratio). that BALCO dude was like a mad scientist. giambi and some other dudes were also supposedly fucking with growth hormone and insulin.

― roidnerd, Thursday, 9 March 2006 22:01 (twenty years ago)

Don't you sporks have a board for this

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 9 March 2006 22:04 (twenty years ago)

This is like in "Blazing Saddles" where the epic western bar fight spills over into the frothy musical set directed by mincing Dom DeLuise.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 9 March 2006 22:10 (twenty years ago)

and one thing that really annoys me about the 'debate' is how vague a catchall 'steroids' is, how there's been very little discussion of how these drugs work and what drugs are being used so that even when you have players (or omg players whose first language isn't english even) saying that the rules might be confusing you have sports 'journalists' going 'lol u tryin to cheat' although none of them could tell you what prescribed medications will make you test positive, whether redbull is banned and why, etc. instead the debate is just outrage over some lack of ethics (PLZ) or 'the children', complete lack of curiosity or willingness to do some work and dig for some facts beyond 'catching' some player and getting and easy headline, and the discussion among baseball geeks is worse, even falser outrage with less thoughts and more quotes of this dude said on his blog/radioshow garbage. if there's a paragraph in the volumes on this topic on ilb about how a specific drug actually works i'd love to see it. a quarter to anyone who shows me that paragraph followed by a paragraph showing how that in turn would enhance a performance in what manner.

xpost - haha THANK YOU ROIDNERD! my understanding is that basically 'steroids = much much quicker recovery = you can lift longer, more' but my understanding = 'what i've heard from those creatine using dudes that take lifting WAY too seriously at the gym and get weird about flaxseed the same way potheads do about golden seal'.

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 March 2006 22:17 (twenty years ago)

wait - insulin?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 March 2006 22:17 (twenty years ago)

This is like in "Blazing Saddles" where the epic western bar fight spills over into the frothy musical set directed by mincing Dom DeLuise.

I've been look forever of a jpg or gif of that for occassions such as this!

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 9 March 2006 22:20 (twenty years ago)

xpost

I'm never surprised we're doing the French Mistake around here.

if there's a paragraph in the volumes on this topic on ilb about how a specific drug actually works

that'd be for I Love Chemistry.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 March 2006 22:21 (twenty years ago)

http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2006/03/01/sp_baseball_azbm106.jpg

Quite frankly, my point was not that I gave a shit about whether Crazy Pants was on drugs rather that:
A) TDS's commentary was not 'histrionic' but instead 'amusing'
B) That YES Network thing was hideously poorly written and Morbius could've just freaking reposted someone else's posts from the Bonds thread on ILB and it woulda been mo better than that.

NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT JOHN STEWART AND HOW HE WON'T SHUT UP ABOUT HOW TIRED HE IS SINCE HE WAS FABULOUS OSCARS MAN.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 9 March 2006 22:23 (twenty years ago)

and yeah roidnerd is OTM in description u can't just take steroids and poof yr Derek Jeter but obviously the problem in pro sports is that these dudes are all already lifting and working out anyway, except Roger Clemens (haha do u see? FATTEY), so, yeah, if you've got one guy on 'roids and the other guy is on the up and up, it's an unfair advantage.

Meanwhile poor Ricky Williams can't even smoke the weed :(

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 9 March 2006 22:25 (twenty years ago)

There are massive threads about this topic on ILB, and they're the most combative threads on the board. But they're still only about 0.1% as dickish as the average ILE film thread, so I'm not sure those ILB threads will hold some of your interests.

Back to the thread topic -- I don't see how making fun of Bonds on the Daily Show makes them "reactionaries" anymore than making fun of the Democrats (sometimes) makes them Republicans. "Bonds is a crazed steroid freak" makes for more roffles than "Bonds is being treated unfairly by MLB and the media". Simple.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 9 March 2006 22:31 (twenty years ago)

yeah, insulin! not just for diabetics anymore. all of your favorite bodybuilders are abusing it cause it's super anabolic (esp. after workouts, and at least anti-catabolic the rest of the time). it decides how your body uses carbs and fats. it pushes glucose and amino acids and shit into muscle cells (and fat cells, too). you know how athletes are supposed to eat simple sugars after workouts? that's for the insulin spike! everyone that abuses growth hormone usually combines it with insulin, and then they grow like a motherfucker.

― roidnerd, Thursday, 9 March 2006 22:41 (twenty years ago)

http://www.2006olympia.com/new/images/photo/training/Ronnie-Coleman---1.jpg

= more the product of gh/insulin (and being able to afford eating 12 meals of filet mignon a day) than the testo he puts in his glutes.

― roidnerd, Thursday, 9 March 2006 22:43 (twenty years ago)

You know, I wasn't trying to fire a heavy critical cannonball re the Corddry bit's "frothing." As a vein for humor it just struck me as ALREADY tapped out, which means the next 7 months oughta be a joy... (I was directing them to ILB outta spite, Barry!)

Ally, I like when Stewart beats dead horses like Oscar fatigue. It's textbook kvetching, and shows his roots in Lenny Bruce... and Smith & Dale (google em).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 March 2006 22:47 (twenty years ago)

Oh, the humour is definitely tapped out for baseball fans, who are sick and tired of hearing about steroid rumours (even the ones involving Bonds).

I acknowledge the fact that this particular episode in the Bonds + Steroids saga is more newsworthy outside the baseball world than the usual finger-pointing/wagging fare. So I expect TDS to say something about it now. Even though the "story" is played from a baseball fan's perspective, I think TDS did a good job with it.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 9 March 2006 22:56 (twenty years ago)

Last night's little segment about black Republican candidates (esp. Lynn Swann) was particularly not funny in any way.

― TOMBOT, Friday, 10 March 2006 14:54 (twenty years ago)

As with some segments of Monty Python's The Meaning of Life, I appreciate when the Daily Show is more angry than funny.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 March 2006 14:59 (twenty years ago)

the bit with paul hackett was pretty good.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 06:38 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that Paul Hackett ad coulda been made by gabbneb!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 22:09 (twenty years ago)

thfuck? what was jon stewart doing interviewing Gen Sada? former saddam crony, currently now changed allegiance to the u.s., pushing a frikin book all about mythical WMDs and washing his hands. too "comedic" to go hard hitting with such a subject (and rilly, in this climate, who could!?) but "newsy" enough to try and engage in an interview with really no funny stuff to be had -- this interview is neither hot nor cold and i spit it out.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 04:31 (twenty years ago)

JOn can get overwhelmed or intimidated by his guests. I don't think Stephen has that problem, tho.

― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 04:37 (twenty years ago)

colbert with sada would have been an even bigger train wreck.

i think the language barrier kept sada from rilly getting the jokey stuff at all.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 04:48 (twenty years ago)

you know who was a weird interview? clive owen! all he did was laugh! he didn't seem to want to talk at all!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 05:25 (twenty years ago)

stewart was using waaay too many idioms

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 06:15 (twenty years ago)

That Sada interview sucked, not because it wasn't funny enough or it wasn't serious enough, but because of all the stupid "Wow, you really put a human face on everything we've been taught to believe was faceless evil" nonsense. OKAY JON WE GET IT THANKS NOW ASK HIM MORE ABOUT SADDAM.

― Dan (Christ) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 13:15 (twenty years ago)

For the interview segment, Stewart needs to go back to destroying helpless starlets a la the JenLoveHewitt classic.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 14:42 (twenty years ago)

That interview last night pissed me the fuck off, dudes.
Let's get a Schutzstaffel chaplain next to put a human face on the ovens. Or whoever the fuck is doing a book tour, since apparently nobody else wants to talk to poor Jon.

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 14:54 (twenty years ago)

Actually you know what in between the "Here's why black republicans are stupid tokens" segment and last night's guest I'm pretty much done with Jon Stewart. More John Hodgeman, though, please.

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 22 March 2006 14:56 (twenty years ago)

he should just lose the interviews already

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)

He can't, that's 24 minutes of airtime a week. Losing ALL political figures (retirees possibly excepted) is the key.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 17:40 (twenty years ago)

he has to do the interviews, the format falls apart without them.

xpost

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 17:41 (twenty years ago)

I really liked John Hodgeman's segment from...last week? week before? I think he's got a great mix of deadpan & absurdity that really fits into the show.

I'm still waiting for them to come up with a recurring bit I enjoyed as much as "Stephen & Stephen"

― kingfish da last ubermensch (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 17:43 (twenty years ago)

Hodgeman def is unusually low-key deadpan for even the brightest show on basic cable.

And black Republicans are stupid tokens.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 17:45 (twenty years ago)

http://www.historyplace.com/lincoln/lincpix/last.jpg

"Silly Negroes."

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:09 (twenty years ago)

It ain't 1870.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:12 (twenty years ago)

*sigh*

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:15 (twenty years ago)

Even though I would disagree with her opinions, God forbid an African-American woman who's pro-life, homophobic, and completely batshit xenophobic from voting for someone who shares her same ideas.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:26 (twenty years ago)

just don't make her the nfl commish plz!

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Haha!

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:30 (twenty years ago)

Nobody's stopping her from voting, or from me calling her a dupe.

*high*

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:32 (twenty years ago)

Yes, why don't you tell ILX some more about ethnic minorities?

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:34 (twenty years ago)

That's right, Morb. Nobody's telling you to stop doing anything. No one's telling you to stop making generalized and asinine observations either. What a wonderful world.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:34 (twenty years ago)

dudes take it to the crash thread.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)

The last thing that thread needs is more posts.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 20:07 (twenty years ago)

Demetri Martin ... so annoying.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 March 2006 20:22 (twenty years ago)

intended or not, the contrast tonight between john mccain and studs terkel was pretty revealing.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 05:12 (twenty years ago)

(love ya studs)

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 05:12 (twenty years ago)

Stewart's fondness for diving on McCain's muff is pretty odious. The Studs interview nearly atoned.

Also, the McKinney-DeLay equivalence shows that this show is more like the Lehrer NewsHour than we admit; faux-evenhandedness blows.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 April 2006 13:45 (twenty years ago)

we get the global edition, 25 minutes every night. the Race Episode was last night, things i didn't think they'd get away with on us tv.

was also a report recently on french demonstrations tying it in with the rights for immigrants marches in the US. when he used the phrase 'minimum rage' the silence that accompanied it was great, like the audience couldn't decide whether to laugh or groan (or hurl abuse). great jokes for tivo owners on the lists as well.

― koogs (koogs), Friday, 7 April 2006 14:59 (twenty years ago)

tonight: Ted Kennedy. Let's see what his gait is like.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:34 (twenty years ago)

i cant wait! im such a ted fan. my insides go mushy whenever i see him.

― sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:43 (twenty years ago)

awww what a peach!

― sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 21 April 2006 02:29 (twenty years ago)

So then - what are y'all making of Dave Gorman?

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 26 April 2006 22:35 (twenty years ago)

have seen him once, talking about the queen, but it seemed to me that they just needed someone with an english accent to read out the piece and that he didn't have much say in the content (it seemed to be very much in the house style, not gormanesque).

(current favourite contributor is the bloke they had on last night talking about the essay competition and who had the colour charts on the race show)(also nice to see demetri martin again too)

― koogs (koogs), Thursday, 27 April 2006 07:33 (twenty years ago)

What is Gorman's background? If he's from UK TV, I've hardly seen any lately. (Yes, the Hodgeman thing was super.)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 April 2006 13:30 (twenty years ago)

english comedian best known for his projects. first one, that came out of a bet with his friend and ended up as an edinburgh show and tv series, was him flying around the world to meet as many people called dave gorman as he could. next was him religiously following his horoscope whilst his twin brother, the control, didn't. then there's the googlewhack stuff. funny, in a geeky way.

oh, this is going to tell you more than i possibly could:
http://www.davegorman.com/

― koogs (koogs), Thursday, 27 April 2006 15:15 (twenty years ago)

that horoscope/twin idea is brilliant. how did it turn out? i hope they used jonathan cainer.

― sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 27 April 2006 15:29 (twenty years ago)

http://www.davegorman.com/history_dgiae.htm

i can't remember 8)

― koogs (koogs), Thursday, 27 April 2006 16:15 (twenty years ago)

Nate Corddry, closeted Phish fan no more, thanks to his brother (2/3rds down)

Also, this man

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/701/701932/03-corddry2006417_1145251160.jpg

is a big Depeche Mode fan.

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 8 May 2006 00:42 (twenty years ago)

Primo evidence for Stewart needing to interview showbiz folk only: "John Malkovich -- good neighbor."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 May 2006 12:26 (twenty years ago)

lesbian tsunami.

am still undecided whether the people in the news segments are real people who don't realise (or just don't mind) they are being lampooned*, real people with a sense of humour, or actors. i guess that's the genius of it.

*the australian guy they had on the bit about canadian border patrols for instance.

― koogs (koogs), Thursday, 18 May 2006 06:52 (twenty years ago)

Never actors that I've seen; those homeowners Samantha Bee was grilling on catastrophe preparedness were pure victims... (Woman produces 20-pound flashlight; "You won that round.")

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)

"is that a BATTERY-OPERATED flashlight?"
"yes."
"you won that round."

― natalie portmanteau (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:54 (twenty years ago)

It's amazing that people who seem that credulous still exist in the alleged Era of Media Saturation; they're similar to Coyle & Sharpe's victims in the early '60s.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 May 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)

My favorite segment guy of recent is still by far and away the "security expert" who kept cursing and insisting that the "lesbionic" female prisoners of a low-security prison were going to "dildoize" the town's residents if they didn't erect a giant fence around the facility.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:01 (twenty years ago)

They've used that guy more than once, IIRC.

― sinful caesar sipped his snifter (kenan), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Yeah he's been on a bunch of times but the best is the prison one.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 18 May 2006 16:40 (twenty years ago)

Why didn't I have sex with John Hodgman when he was in town on his book tour?

― ¯\(º_o)/¯ (Chris Piuma), Thursday, 18 May 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

oh shit, he did that one? I need to find that torrent.

unfortunately, chris, the dude is taken.

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 18 May 2006 19:56 (twenty years ago)

I remember now that Stewart interviewed Hodgman (re that book) before he began doing bits on the show.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:18 (twenty years ago)

he did what one?

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:21 (twenty years ago)

Or maybe not.

Actually, yeah, Hodgman read off some of the hobo names. this is the vid of it, right?

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:37 (twenty years ago)

Yes but unless you are psychic are premonitionized Morbius's reply to...

never mind.

― Allyzay Rofflesbot (allyzay), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:48 (twenty years ago)

Um.

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:49 (twenty years ago)

I'm just happy we got this far before seeing the phrase "hobo dick".

― Dan (Oops) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 18 May 2006 20:50 (twenty years ago)

I've got the Cole Porter compilation and now this, and you're thinking, "John Hodgman is a gay person."

Anyway, a guy being straight has never stopped me from sleeping with them (though more than once has it stopped them from sleeping with me). Although a wife, that might be different.

― ¯\(º_o)/¯ (Chris Piuma), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:11 (twenty years ago)

the review with the national review editor was really awkward. why does the audience interrupt with hoots and claps when stewart makes any counterpoint? relax, guys. he seemed to be sort of apologetic about the dude not getting to really speak.

― 333333333333 (33333), Thursday, 18 May 2006 23:19 (twenty years ago)

They need to put out a Decider comic book.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 May 2006 12:26 (twenty years ago)

Last nights was the 1st one of those that really made me larf.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 19 May 2006 12:53 (twenty years ago)

I'm always happy when R. Sikoryak gets work, though.

The National Review editor review was awkward because Stewart was trying to say "You are being an unhelpful dick here" without actually making that explicit. And the guy was not listening to that (which I suppose isn't too surprising).

― ¯\(º_o)/¯ (Chris Piuma), Friday, 19 May 2006 14:45 (twenty years ago)

Stewart didn't ask the question I wanted to hear, which was, "Are you a drag king?"

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 May 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...

Gee, until their Zarqawi bit I'd managed to avoid hearing even 5 seconds of that "Bad Day" monstrosity.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 June 2006 12:46 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...

The only thing more hilarious today than the Sasha Frere-Jones complainer.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

get a brain, MORINs

― kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

Two political scientists found that young people who watch Stewart's faux news program, "The Daily Show," develop cynical views about politics and politicians that could lead them to just say no to voting.

Er, isn't this already the case?

Can I get some of their funding so I can conduct "stating the obvious" studies too?

― Fsck Washing Ong's Hat (Chris Barrus), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

jeezus, that column really is about 12 different brands of retarded

― kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

The results showed that the participants rated both candidates more negatively after watching Stewart's program. Participants also expressed less trust in the electoral system and more cynical views of the news media.

which is bad, BECAUSE THINGS R JUST FINE. let's move along now people......look, over here, a terror alert!

― A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

the katrina donation bit after that is fun, too

― kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

Republicans are cheap, but Democrats are BIGOTS!

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 23 June 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

that 'rift in the GOP' meta-gag has made me forget what i came here to post.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Thursday, 20 July 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

fun with terror and roller rinks

http://www.fortwayne.com/images/fortwayne/newssentinel/news/M0721DISCODAN_07-24-2006_6B609VL.jpg

― kingfish cyclopean ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 July 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

wow, Corddry (and his brother) have left, and Ed Helms hasn't entirely, but is joining Carell's Office. More Hodgman on the way?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 August 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

Samantha Bee's "Future Shock" segment the other day was awesome.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 25 August 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

A little of Ms. Bee usually goes a long way with me. Once the topic is established, her approach is usually predictable.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 August 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, but if I had turned it off in the middle, I never would have heard her ask the scientist if, in the future, she will be able to fuck robots. (Nor would I have heard his answer in the affirmative.)

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 25 August 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

ohio roadtrip is coming up

"Battlefield Ohio: The Daily Show's Midwest Midterm Midtacular" will air nightly from Oct. 30 through Nov. 2, a week before the Nov. 7 national election. The shows will be taped at Ohio State University's Roy Bowen Theatre.

― kingfish high command (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

the Future Shock thing was funny but Ray Kurzweil is a scary asshole.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

you say that now, but when the Singularity happens....

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

he's like a villain in a PKD novel.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 August 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

the future shock thing was great, and she's been (more) hit or miss since she came back. Rob's little brother is long gone i thought. I like Hodgman better as a 'visiting expert' at the desk but his taped bluescreen segment the other day was as funny as ever.

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 25 August 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

was that a new guy who did the bit on how "lame" modern-day racism is...? that was pretty good. the interview segments are so painful, I wish they would just jettison that part of the show.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 25 August 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

the celebrity interviews can fuck off, they're worse than ever but I still like most of the boring-smart people interviews.

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 25 August 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

They could just interview Reza Aslan every night, that would work for me.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 25 August 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

celeb interviews are worth it if 1 in 100 lets Stewart torch the place, like w/ Jennifer Love Hewitt.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 August 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

OMG I just watched that interview on youtube; I'd never seen it before. LOLOL.

― g00blar (gooblar), Saturday, 26 August 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Norm MacDonald - Still the funniest motherfucker on this planet.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 15 September 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

That asshole bigot should die.

The insertion of Dubya's Monday night speech into the Little Richard GEICO ad = klassik

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Umm. What's your beef with MacDonald?

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

Homophobe, also not funny.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks for clearing that up.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

morbius otm

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8630/valenerollingeyesut0.jpg

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 15 September 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

The details wd bore both of us, TT.

So the Daily Show is staging a 10th-anniv show at Irving Plaza in November to benefit some NYC tutoring center. Superchunk and TDS talent.

http://www.newsobserver.com/697/story/484522.html

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

The insertion of Dubya's Monday night speech into the Little Richard GEICO ad = klassik

yes!! the funniest thing i've seen from TDS yet.

― i am not a nugget (stevie), Friday, 15 September 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Morbius completely OTM re: Norm Macdonald.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

I've never paid enough attention to him to notice but now I'm curious what the details are.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

cmon, clinton, he killed a guy, you never heard that?

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

that bit's in his wikipedia entry (but no I'd never heard of it before today). That isn't exactly a homophobic or bigoted remark though.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i know i just think thats funny

he never bugged me as much as unfunny reactionaries like dennis miller or whatever cuz um hes actually funny

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

yeah I never understood the cult of Dennis Miller, even before he went on his reactionary right-wing bender.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

hes not funny

norm macdonald is very funny

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Aw, I missed Bill Simmons appearance.

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

oh, that was on the Colbert Report, not TDS

― milo z (mlp), Friday, 15 September 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

It drives me nuts when reading ilx turns into work. Anyhow this is from his wikipedia page:
"In Nebraska, a man was sentenced for killing a female crossdresser [sic] who had accused him of rape and two of her friends. Excuse me if this sounds harsh, but in my mind, they all deserved to die."

And this, just because it's funny:
A Rolling Stone magazine article about SNL during that time period seemed to suggest that Norm had difficulties getting along with some of the other cast members, whom he taunted frequently -- he was described by more than one of them, in the article, as "an asshole."

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

It drives me nuts when reading ilx turns into work. Anyhow this is from his wikipedia page:
"In Nebraska, a man was sentenced for killing a female crossdresser [sic] who had accused him of rape and two of her friends. Excuse me if this sounds harsh, but in my mind, they all deserved to die."

is this why everyone thinks he's homophobic??

― sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

Not in my case, as I never heard that quote. He was a serial offender, it seems.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

you guys realize he's a comedian playing a part for comedic effect, right?

― sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

OMG an asshole comedian on SNL, stop the presses.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

The WNBA officially expanded to ten teams this week, adding franchises in Detroit and Washington, D. C. But before you get too excited about the new additions to the league, remember: all of the players are still women.

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

Well that was all i could find in regards to his alleged bigotry.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

the only other gay joke i could find was a pretty charming one-

TriStar Pictures is planning a film about the '70s disco act, the Village People. While the movie will be coming out next summer, it plans to wait until Thanksgiving to come out to its parents.

^^haha

also wasnt he fag-bashed in the lower east side a few years back????

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

And this on his new album:
"Four of the 13 tracks on the album are extended gay jokes: one about an old country singer who comes out of hiding and then out of the closet; the other, in three parts, has Ferrell’s character — who, for some odd reason, sounds like his famous Harry Caray impression — as the world’s first bottom in a gay relationship."

Doesn't seem homophobic to my eyes.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

that village people joke is like harvey fierstein material

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

In January, production will begin on the seventh season of MTV's "The Real World." The seven young people appearing in the series will represent different backgrounds, ages, religions and sexual orientations. However, this year, they will share one trait in common -- I will hate them.

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

you guys realize he's a comedian playing a part for comedic effect, right?

Like Sam Kinison, right? (Who certainly didn't get his rox off hanging out w/ pretty hair-metal boys, oh no.)

I turned the Daily Show off before the ass came on last night, so let's move on.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

Oh for fuck's sake, people; is Norm Macdonald your mom or something?

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

no, they just like lcd 'comedy'

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

colin quinn is funnier than norm macdonald, but he's insufficiently ironic for that crowd

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Okay you just lost my support, gabb.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

yeah thatll show my 'crowd'!

colin quinn is a racist bore

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

i have daily show tickets for tuesday and vic can't go. anyone want to come with?

― fellini-esque-lit-rockist (tehresa), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost) Colin Quin might be funnier than getting raped by elephants, emphasis on "might".

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

Travis Cole: What are you doing? You're ruining Don Giovanni!
Mitch: Don Giovanni? Who's that dude?
Travis Cole: The opera! You're ruining the opera!
Mitch: Oh, the opera. Yes, yes, we are ruining that.

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

Frat Guy: [sarcastically] Hey, that was really funny, siccing the cops on us like that.
Mitch: Really? I mean, don't get me wrong, I thought it was funny, but I'm surprised you guys did, because, uh, you got your asses kicked.

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

Kathy: Don't you think it's kind of silly for grown men to fight?
Mitch: Are you kidding? Haven't you seen the movie Kickboxer? They were all men.

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

My biggest problem with Norm Macdonald is that he has the delivery of an incontinent chimp.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

Quinn and McDonald re funniness are like a 'shoot me' answer to that Who Would You Fuck game.

TDS better have Dubya/Little Richard on their site, yeah?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

note that i don't think colin quinn is funny or particularly beloved-community-oriented, and i'm not talking about trife's crowd in the first instance. i just think macdonald is especially pro-apathy/reactionaryism. even adam carolla's postmod archie bunker shtick is better.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

Adam Carolla is an order of magnitude funnier than Norm Macdonald.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

i dont think macdonald really promotes laughing 'with' him

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

he was always too weird & unpleasant to enjoy the kinda fratboy bandwagoneering man show dudes get

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

exactly (xpost). the primary purpose of his thing seems to be that comedy should be stupid and not try very hard and you should sit there and watch it even if you recognize that it's stupid and not trying very hard because what else do you have to do, punk? it's like the ultimate expression of nihilism.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

except that hes very very funny

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/96/96jlateshow.phtml

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

Okay that's like the ONLY funny thing Norm has ever done!

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno i guess its not as illuminating as jon stewart licking john mccain's ass & saying 'balls' 100 times but macdonald's comedy from tone & inflection & slow reveals of personal obsessions & ironic populism isnt exactly lazy or stupid

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

i guess beavis & butthead didnt do it for yall either

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

uh, no i fucking love beavis and butthead

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

Beavis & Butthead aren't analagous to Norm Macdonald!

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

sure, i think stewart plays to an lcd audience at times, as do Leno, Conan and Letterman.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

Norm's appeal is sort of understated but he has his moments. Comparing him to Colin Quinn is totally unfair. Not only was Colin Quinn a poor comedian and pretty racist, classist and hateful, but he could even deliver a punchline without bungling his words. So even if he accidently stumbled upon a funny insight, he would fuck it up in the delivery.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

norm macdonald is basically a more nihilist, less '80s standup "see what i did there?"' steven wright right?

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

judge & macdonald took knocks for nihilism while actually being very smart & interesting - macdonald's persona is a failed, self-sabotaging 'amirite folks?! this guy knows what im talkin bout!' comedian, and audience reaction is as much a part of it as anything - i love the bracketed reactions on that snl transcripts site, where 90% of them are [boos, some applause] or [mixed response] or just [audience disbelief]

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

Macdonald's Iraq thing on the View - sure, he's probably being a pro-war dude just to piss off his audience, because it's not what he's supposed to do. but the ultimate message is that you're not supposed to care whether the war is a good thing or not.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

but thats funny!! caring isnt funny

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

that's like the antichrist

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

When the people here asked me to do the show, I've got to say, I felt kind of weird. I don't know if you remember this, but I used to actually be on this show. I used to do the "Weekend Update" news routine, you remember that? That's where I did the make-believe news jokes. That was me, you know? So then, a year and a half ago, I had sort of a disagreement with the management at NBC. I wanted to keep my job. Right? And they felt the exact opposite. They fired me because they said that I wasn't funny. Now, with most jobs, I could have had a hell of a lawsuit on my hands for that, but see, this is a comedy show. So, they got me. But, now, this is the weird part, it's only a year and a half later, and now, they ask me to host the show. So I wondered, how did I go from being not funny enough to be even allowed in the building, to being so funny that I'm now hosting the show? How did I suddenly get so goddamn funny?! It was inexplicable to me, because, let's face it, a year and a half is not enough time for a dude to learn how to be funny! Then it occurred to me, I haven't gotten funnier, the show has gotten really bad! So, yeah, I'm funny compared to, you know, what you'll see later.

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

How come Jon Spencer grins/laughs at his own jokes? Doesn't he realize it makes them less funny?

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

Whoa I totally forgot about this:
http://imdb.com/title/tt0181935/

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

haha nikki cox - i didn't forget about that shit

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

he was a very 90s comedian, i don't think he'd really work now and even though he seemed an obvious choice to replace kilborn at the time i'm definitely glad the show went to stewart. different times different measures.

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 15 September 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

"and what " one of those ppl believes art is sep from morality *KICK*

How 'great' he was LAST NIGHT would be relevant. Or we could do 60 posts on Kilborn.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

how many norm macdonald haters are the same ppl who think sara silverman is ultimate A++++ skeetariffic

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

if you mean me, i don't find sarah silverman particularly funny either. though i think she thinks she's doing some good.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

well yeah i just figured youre into mark russell and that 'what if bush sang home on the range?' shit they advertise on the dailykos sidebar

― and what (ooo), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.uky.edu/PR/News/Archives/2004/Sept2004/040916_sanders-brown_dinner_russell.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah aw, that's the entire spectrum of comedy. I weeeave mah prahvat partz at ewe.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

Conan probably beats out Colbert in the comedy awards with me, but I'm usually more into humor than comedy. One of my favorites in that category right now is this Ronald Reagan-liking mofo

http://www.onlineseats.com/upload/concerts/510_con_brad-paisley.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 15 September 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

I still don't have a clue what racist/homophobic things Norm has said/done.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, we're still talking about this?

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

sorry I was gone for the weekend!

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 18 September 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

clinton's on tonight right?

― teeny (teeny), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

either tonight or sometime this week, yeah.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

homophobia is when somebody hates uniformity and sameness, right? With heterophobia being the psychological disease people suffer from when they hate something they're unfamiliar with? or am I getting that confused with something else? Xenophobia?

I mean, when you break those words down, their definition should be the exact opposite of the way everybody is using them here! I'd hate to think we've made the English language even harder to learn by confusing basic root words and saying that people who dislike gays are being totally nonconformist in thought, even to the point of fearing sameness (homophobia). Why that wouldn't even make any sense! Norm McDonald would be a heterophobe if he hated crossdressers out of unfamiliarity with them, because that word, heterophobia, makes 5000% more sense in this case than the common, if incorrect, word, that is homophobia.

So from now on, if we're going to call him a bigot, let's call Norm McDonald a heterophobe. It makes that much more linguistic sense and we'll be thinking of the children learning English when we use it!

― Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 18 September 2006 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

learning Greek, actually

oh wow, how I love people on the internet trying desperately to prove that "homophobia" doesn't basically mean "bigotry against gays". At least it's more original than the usual "homophobia implies that I fear teh gays, when actually I loathe and detest them, therefore I am not homphobic, hah ha" but even if homophobia translated to "cat yearning" it still means "bigotry against gays" because that's what everyone takes it to mean. Get over it.

also how come people are only pedantic about "homophobia" - no-one ever goes "dinosaur??? ridiculous - some of those lizards were far from "terrible" and were actually rather endearing" or "television??? bu bu but I'm viewing a box in the corner of my room, it is not remotely "far" away". Very strange.

― Mark Co (Markco), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

So, that Robert Novak thing: hilarious, or very hilarious?

― Oblivious Lad. (Oblivious Lad), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think the word "homophobe" exists because "homosexophobe" sounds too much like "fear of fucking the jazz instrument most like you".

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

Which instrument would that be for you, Dan?

― Really cool, wickedly cool, cooly cool bon apetit! (ex machina), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

Cunga, you might as well go batshit over the term "homosexual", too: "homo" is Greek and "sex" comes from the Latin word "sexus" (which means "sex" as in gender). Or start warming to the term "homoerotophobia."

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.midi-classics.com/i/p31241.jpg

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

I have now completely forgotten what the hell I was trying to prove.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

norm mcdonald's snl cold opening where he did his letterman impression was rerun a couple years ago and it blew my mind it was so spot on--he can be a VERY good performer.

also whenever i've seen him recently on talk shows he usually spins some shaggy dog story that doesn't make any sense and is totally weird and hilarious (and he always makes the host kinda uncomfortable).

so i like him. but i've always been more into comedy than humor anyway.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

LESS NORM, MORE JAZZ INSTRUMENTS

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

i pasted that opening a ways up the thread btw

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not grasping the distinction made between humor and comedy.

― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

LESS NORM, MORE JAZZ INSTRUMENTS

http://static.flickr.com/91/247629504_79aabc341a.jpg?v=0

― Danny Aioli (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

elmo i was just joking on what gabbneb said

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

i have no idea what it means either

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

haha yeah i was gonna ask

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

i'm also trying to figure out what this means:

How come Jon Spencer grins/laughs at his own jokes? Doesn't he realize it makes them less funny?

-- Squirrel_Police (goblinatri...), Friday 3:48 PM. (Squirrel_Police) (later)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

"clinton's on tonight right?"

clinton was on last nite. it was pretty bad. suck-up stuff. and it was all about clinton's global hunger money streisand fund or whatever. he didn't even get him to talk about bush. very unfunny.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

god, i was watching louis ck and norm mcdonald interview clips on youtube and jon's fake laughing was on a whole new level. i worry he's gonna break a rib or something.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

comedy = joex
humor = shaggy dog story
comedy = ROFFLE
humor = smile
comedy = the moment
humor = beyond
comedy = Conan
humor = Keillor
etc.

artificial construction, perhaps, but it works for me

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

humor = shaggy dog story

waht

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

so you're more into smiling than laughing?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

humor = smarter (usually)

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

I think he's saying he's into Garrison Keillor.

― always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

you know, in the biblical sense

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

^^^ neither comedy nor humor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQaLzvksQy8

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

^^ is norm fucking kato kaelin??

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

wtf is a shaggy dog story?

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

are you serious?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Have I ever told you about when I met Sasquatch? Well, pull up a chair...

Humor vs comedy: which was SJ Perelman, depending on whether he was writing for the Marx Bros or not?

I couldn't last thru Clinton, mostly cuz of the whooping Young Dumbocrats in the audience. BOOT THE POLITICOS

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Shaggy Dog Story

I don't know Perelman well enough, but suspect he was comedy at the time, but perhaps humor now.

comedy = outrageousness
humor = familiarity/recognition

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

you are insane.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

humor is more (perhaps, implicitly) involving of the audience maybe?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

maybe... there's no difference?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

this is like one of those conversations about "films" vs "movies"

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

RAP IS SOMETHING YOU DO, HIP-HOP IS SOMETHING YOU LIVE

― and what (ooo), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not saying that this is how the words are actually used by most people in the universe; it's a meaningful distinction to me, if mostly an unconscious one until i isolated/articulated it, and i don't think i'm the only one.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

there is... another

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

i do think it's at least a notch less normative than films/movies or rap/hiphop, though

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

Norm McDonald is hilarious.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

A sofa is a nice piece of furniture; the couch is what you sit on.
xpost

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://simonz.web.elte.hu/wallp/yoda-ep3-2.jpg

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

These days, I see humor most oft applied to the written word, and I'm not sure it's ever been regularly applied to performance. Was Tom Lehrer a humorist? He got big laughs.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

norm mcdonald is funnier than sarah silverman

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

"Tragedy is I stub my toe. Comedy is you fall in a manhole and die." - Mel Brooks

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

gabbneb, i like your new definitions of "comedy" and "humor" even less than the revision of "homophobia" upthread. ahem.

― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

well, yeah, it's a noun not a verb - is the performer a comedian or a humorist?

with Tom Lehrer, again I'm not sure but it may be the same thing with Perelman - the value of older jokes is often nostalgic - they're evocative of their era, which seems more humor than comedy, even if that wasn't the original intent. maybe it comes down to the ratio of jokes - a humorist interweaves them into a broader range of material, while a comedian hits you one by one. it's like the difference between rhumba and soukous.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

McDonald's was my favorite Weekend Update of all. Mentioning him in the same breath as Colin Quinn is utterly ridiculous. (Why is Colin Quinn still allowed to do things?)

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

personal definitions are worth shit.

― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

the reaction i have to way too many comedians now is the same one chaki has to dane cook

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

sorry about that, elmo

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

I don't watch/hear performers of the past through a bygone haze. (This, at worst, leads to the snickering condescension of the Film Forum audience.)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://home.earthlink.net/~poreill47/valene_rolling_eyes.jpg

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

norm mcdonald is funnier than sarah silverman

A ham sandwich is funnier than sarah silverman.

― GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Sara Silverman was funny until I saw her perform for more than 30 seconds. For those of you who saw The Aristocrats, watching the unedited footage of Silverman's hilarious "Joe Franklin raped me" bit made me apreciate the power of editing. The unedited footage was tedious and predictable, like her standup.

― Fluffy Bear is a man. Do not shoot him. (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Tuesday, 19 September 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

"there is another..."

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 06:57 (nineteen years ago)

these guys think comedy is cornier than humor

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 07:02 (nineteen years ago)

this dude comes up with the same roffle/smile distinction

this one says the same thing about disposability

this guy recognizes the audience-interaction element

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 20 September 2006 07:12 (nineteen years ago)

Tuesday's guest is Pervez Musharraf, ruler of Pakistan.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 06:24 (nineteen years ago)

I talked with a Sunni Egyptian recently, who told me, over beers, that he thinks Musharraff will be assassinated in less than a year

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

it was weird seeing british tv's dave gorman on it, the other day. i don't know who the other guy is but gorman is quite well-known in the uk.

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder what Musharraf's Seat of Heat question will be?

JS should go for broke; no matter how nice he is to General...General, this will be his only Daily Show appearance.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 12:22 (nineteen years ago)

I talked with a Sunni Egyptian recently, who told me, over beers, that he thinks Musharraff will be assassinated in less than a year
-- Euai Kapaui (tracerhan...), September 26th, 2006.

uh? does your guy know anything specific or are you on some 'all muslims know this!' shit?

― EARLY-90S MAN (Enrique), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

comedy schmomedy. i want to hear about thz's daily show experience last week.

― sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 26 September 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

Stewart opened interview w/ his best joke (mid-tea sip "Where's Osama?"), Musharraf closed w/ his best (W and Osama wouldd both lose big in Pakistani elections).

Still, 'friendly' dictator guests: Dud.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

musharraf quite the charmer, damn.

stewart: now you're kind of at the epicenter of this dangerous terrorist region, al-qaeda has tried to assassinate you twice, yet you seem more calm that we are over here...

musharraf: yes i am.

classic - best interview i've seen on that show.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

It was better than i expected.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

I talked with a Sunni Egyptian recently, who told me, over beers, that he thinks Musharraff will be assassinated in less than a year

I'd be inclined to agree, except, why hasn't this happened yet? he's a tenacious motherfucker.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

http://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/4159.html

IU study finds The Daily Show with Jon Stewart to be as substantive as network news

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

not hard to believe. and the daily show has the added benefit of being able to remember shit from more than five minutes ago.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

& samantha bee can get it any day

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know much about Dennis Miller. Has he always been so instantly dislikeable?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 5 October 2006 05:50 (nineteen years ago)

not until 9/11, when he finally passed over to the dark side

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 5 October 2006 05:53 (nineteen years ago)

yeah that guy is a dick. the britishes dude isn't up to much is he?

― the classic sounds of the seventh of january 1998 (Enrique), Thursday, 5 October 2006 07:39 (nineteen years ago)

Ain't it funny that Stewart starts his James Satan Baker interview with "how is N.Korea's bomb Clinton's fault" joke, and yesterday JS's buddy McCain blames Bubba for real?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry but I totally laughed at that article when I got to this:
"Most people have little direct contact with politicians and get most of their political information from the media."

gosh, really?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

Britishes Dude = Dave Gorman. He seems very flat on the DS. He came to prominence doing stand up with powerpoint chronicling his attempt to meet 54 other Dave Gormans. His current Radio 4 show Genius is pretty good.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

ah no there's un autre non-gorman britishes on DS, and he's worse!

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 12 October 2006 08:55 (nineteen years ago)

oh dear, what night was hew last on and I will try and watch him.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 12 October 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Oliver_(comedian)

englishmen, please form an orderly queue to the left and tell us americans why this guy was either never funny or only funny ten years ago.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:11 (nineteen years ago)

'The department' is very good.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

i had never heard of him b4 'the daily show'. his co-star in 'the department' is vg in 'the thick of it'. there are a lot of guys like this in uk comedy though.

― benrique (Enrique), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

He seems to have a schtick that SHOULD be funny but mostly just falls flat.

I've never seen him before the DS either.

― Roz (Roz), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:33 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't think he was that bad. but nowhere near the colberts, the carells, the cordrys... anyone with a c.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

It's a shame really, they both have produced some pretty good comedy. Perhaps they are not writing any or enough (or too much) of their own material or are too self consciously trying to fit with the daily show schtick.

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

they gave the God Machine to Samantha Bee?!

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 03:36 (nineteen years ago)

a... WOMAN!?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 03:47 (nineteen years ago)

Samantha Bee is great!

That Riggle guy is rubbish though. Rubbish!

And John Oliver is fine in small doses, but I wouldn't give him an entire segment to himself.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 07:10 (nineteen years ago)

I find it really strange to hear the English accent from a Daily Show commentator/comedian. Is it chauvinist to be shocked at the inclusion of a non-American in what I guess I saw as an insularly American show? Even if the humor was sort of 'english' it was put to use making fun of American news anchors and shows specifically. Hmm, I'm not sure I agree with myself here, but I was surprised to feel this way instinctively even while watching it in Europe.

― richardk (Richard K), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 07:23 (nineteen years ago)

in what I guess I saw as an insularly American show?

dude, there's been a global edition for years

― sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 12:13 (nineteen years ago)

Are you including "Canadian" in your definition of "American" there?

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

dude, there's been a global edition for years

Who used to show the global edition? Brit TV shows it now, but then, they show the whole thing now.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

The main target of satire being american cable news, it isn't that odd, since foreign correspondents on cnn/fox/msnbc or what have you have had english accents for years. I believe the idea is that it lends a touch of credibility, since everyone knows real americans never leave the homeland, certainly not in search of "news." Britishes, though, they're everywhere. They had an empire once! Covered the globe!

― SOME LOW END BRO (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

CNN shows the global edition. It has cheered up many a dull business trip,

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

God, I'd say it does. I hate hotel tv.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

I like Bee with God Machine or talking to Stewart more than many of her field segments (where steamrolling the sucker interviewee is oft predictable).

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

yeah cnn - usually at 3am sunday mornings

― sunny successor (katharine), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

The recent "Poll Smoking with Dave Gorman" bits have been funny (I had never heard of Gorman before moving to London from the U.S., but he makes sense on there to me).
I love Samantha Bee, but I'm not wild about Jason Jones (who seems much more smug than the correspondents of old - see the recent 'Are You Jackin' It?' piece). Losing Rob Corddry's total asshole schtick was a big drain, I think. Still, consistent laughs...

― Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Conservative complainer: "Jon Stewart won 2006 for the Democrats!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

hell, Dean thanked "your audience" the other night.

John Oliver had the mosy pithy bit after the election: "Without a single coherent position, the Democrats triumphed ... Karl Rove has trapped them again."

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

interesting line here:

Students talk about what happened on The Daily Show. They do not talk about what happened on Crossfire.

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

Rush emboldened us. He made us feel like we weren't alone.

― i am not a nugget (stevie), Friday, 10 November 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Exit polls cannot show that Stewart and the left-leaning faux news phenomenon directly caused these gaps among youth voters. But neither could they show that there was a direct relationship between Rush Limbaugh and the elections of 1994. Yet, we all knew that somehow this new media of nationally syndicated right-leaning talk radio had made a difference. So too has the faux news phenomenon affected this election

excellent logic

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 10 November 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

I really like it when he gets bitchy that the Ivy Leaguers (OMG) made an evangelical joke about Catholic Santorum.

― milo z (mlp), Saturday, 11 November 2006 01:25 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

nice Hodgman bit on American Idol... "sorority girl mixtape"

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 18 January 2007 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

bill gates storming off. and their version of bill gates storming off.

― Koogy Bloogies (koogs), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

oh man, I missed Biden! what a schmuck.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

Hodgman is really good. He's a different kind of correspondent - possibly more "trustworthy"? which I am suspicious of, but he's very good at what he does.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

It's funny how the Apple commercials make you end up sympathizing with the lovable pc instead of the smuggo hipster Mac.

― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

Did Gates really "storm off" ? I thought he was anxious to catch a plane.

― Frogm@n Henry (Frogm@n Henry), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

no, not really, he just left quickly without any ire. the 'moment of zen' the next day was a little skit they'd done of his walk out of the studio complete with bargings and tippings and slappings and spillings and mumblings and grumblings etc. was funny. (can't find it on youtube)

― Koogy Bloogies (koogs), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

yeh i saw that

― Frogm@n Henry (Frogm@n Henry), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

and popcorn eating

― kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2TiDAFReFo&NR

― honey with ice pants (kenan), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

lol

― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

oh, here's that clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmXVCLMJ4Mg&mode=related&search=

Hand Claw. Activate. Successful.

― Koogy Bloogies (koogs), Friday, 2 February 2007 09:32 (nineteen years ago)

here's the rightwing version of TDS. "The Half Hour Newshour". The first ep will have Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter doing cameos.

the other new FNC show involves Oprah-douche jokes.

― kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

The "W" in Newshour angers me.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

The side by side "sh" bothers me. I want to say "the half-hour new shower." or "shour."

I think Mac guy in ye ads looks like Anthony Keidis, which makes me hate him even more...

― Abbott (Abbott), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

Well, most of the foax on Fox look like they could use a shower so the name seems appropriate.

― N.i.c.o.l.e (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

I watched a bit of "Red Eye" last night and it is really weird. It's like the blog hipster version of the Fox morning show.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

nader is the guest on TDS tomorrow night, promoting his al gore stylee documentary an unreasonable man.

― tuesdays with maury povich (get bent), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

It's not his documentary, and apparently is a reasonably balanced portrait (I'm seeing it tonight). Hence some glowing reviews from the tunnelvision clowns who blame him and not Gore for the Reign of Dubya.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

nader was kind of unfocussed.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 9 February 2007 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

the Prescott Bush story was good though.

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 9 February 2007 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

I thought he was a little combative, myself. Also like an older Pinefox.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 9 February 2007 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not american, but i was kind of wtf that you can *still* get a cheer for saying bush stoled the white house 2/3 of a decade ago.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 9 February 2007 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

You can from the kind of Pavlovian Young Democrats who fill the Stewart studio.

Nader is used to giving 3-hr speeches then doing Q&A, he's not going to be focused when Jon asks a new question every 30 seconds.

Given that Stewart spoke as if he'd seen the documentary, his 'holy shit' about the Prescott Bush story is a little puzzling as it's in the film, every book about Nader, etc.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2007 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

I do not know the story. Is it too tedious for someone to tell it to me? Or should I just go and google it like a good catholic?

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

the naders of connecticut have longtime history with the bushes of connecticut.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

The Daily show is excruciating to watch on More4, Best part of a 10 minute ad break in the middle because there is what, 18 minutes of content in the Daily Show.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

After a flood destroyed the main street of Winsted, CT, Mother Nader shook Sen. Bush's hand and wouldn't let go until he promised to build a dam.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

the naders of connecticut have longtime history with the bushes of connecticut.

link?

― Charmmy Kitty's Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (ex machina), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

There isn't a link for everything.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

^basically, that anecdote is it^

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.registercitizen.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=15987160&BRD=1652&PAG=461&dept_id=12530&rfi=8

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.commondreams.org/news2006/0123-19.htm

― Charmmy Kitty's Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn (ex machina), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

nader was kind of unfocussed.

jon stewart's job is to unfocus you, though, isn't it?

i'm not american, but i was kind of wtf that you can *still* get a cheer for saying bush stoled the white house 2/3 of a decade ago.

there was a good 4-5 years of "SHUT UP! EVEN IF HE DID, JUST SHUT UP!" it's still kind of shocking to hear people even discuss it on television as it was "BEEP BOOP WACKY DUMBOCRAT PARTY TINFOIL HATTS!" territory for a long time.

― GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

The Daily show is excruciating to watch on More4, Best part of a 10 minute ad break in the middle because there is what, 18 minutes of content in the Daily Show.

You get more content in the U.S., because of their more lenient libel laws. Certainly during the congressional page scandal, we were getting only about half the jokes over here.

― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

Is that why? I did not know that. I knew it was more than just the extra advertising they have in the US.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

our laws suck.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

Neither of those obits show "a long history" of Bushes/Naders.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

50 years is a long time, pops.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

IT'S ONE INCIDENT 40 YEARS BEFORE GHW BUSH'S ASCENDANCY TO THE PRESIDENCY. History is continuous.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

New cast photos are up

http://www.comedycentral.com/templates/press/images/markerframe_header.gif

― kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 11 February 2007 05:44 (nineteen years ago)

let's try that again:

http://www.comedycentral.com/press/images/aaa_series-page-banners/TDS_Show_Banner_II.jpg

― kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 11 February 2007 05:51 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

can we give one more shout-out to:

http://hottestcanadian.com/wp-content/Samantha%20Bee.jpg

― scott seward, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 05:18 (nineteen years ago)

she's canadian! i had no idea. it all makes so much sense now.

― scott seward, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 05:19 (nineteen years ago)

samantha bee is wifey material

― and what, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 05:40 (nineteen years ago)

she married the dude from craft corner death match. (who is on the daily show but will always be "the dude from craft corner death match" thanks to my wife watching that show.)

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 07:37 (nineteen years ago)

a.k.a. the dude 2nd from the right in the group photo a few posts upward

― kingfish, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 08:54 (nineteen years ago)

Correspondents be hookin up.

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

i've come round on the britishes guy now.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah me too, he's gotten much better. still hate Rob Riggle though.

― Roz, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:42 (nineteen years ago)

I like Aasif Mandvi. I wish that he & the daily show special black correspondent get more airtime

― kingfish, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 05:03 (nineteen years ago)

The Senior Black Correspondent, Larry Wilmore, was on the Office a few seasons ago as Mr. Black, the diversity consultant, in like my favorite episode. He's also written a couple great episodes, including the Oscar-comes-out one. He's hilarious.

― max, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 05:10 (nineteen years ago)

I like Aasif Mandvi. I wish that he & the daily show special black correspondent get more airtime

yes and yes. but mandvi's pizza hut commercial is the pits.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 06:54 (nineteen years ago)

His appearance on ER was a bit odd too. But he is funny. I agree with the Rob Riggle dislike.

― accentmonkey, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 09:27 (nineteen years ago)

yeah the snr black correspondent is underused. the main ticket have too much of the 'i will move on to greater things' vibe. i liked that young preppy guy they had for a while.

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 09:32 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still a little cold to Oliver. He's got that annoying style of ending every sentence as if, it were in italics.

― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

He's got that annoying style of ending every sentence as if, it were in italics.

He reminds me a bit of Eric Idle when he was younger in that respect.

Rob Riggle is awful. He wasn't even good enough for snl, so why would TDS hire him?

― Nicole, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

i liked that young preppy guy they had for a while.

Demetri Martin, yeah he was great. His stand-up work is pretty good as well, he's one of the few stand-up comedians I really like. They need to bring him back more often, and Hodgman too.

TDS these days generally, their guest correspondents >>>>>> regular correspondents. Except Sam Bee. Wuv.

― Roz, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

i agree that Aasif Mandvi and Larry Wilmore are much much better than the regulars, although Mandvi's segment Monday was a little weak. he needs more practice!

whatever happened to Ed Helms?

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

He's on the us Office.

― Nicole, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

how incestuous.

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

back a little bit, i thought demetri martin was really good on tDS, but his standup was shite. but i also think comedians with guitars should be shot.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

Boy, how horrendous was last night's Pelosi-Obey clip? Your Worst Opposition Party on the Planet, ladies and gentlemen.

He just shoulda done 30 mins w/ John Waters.

I still wanna smack the shit out of Demetri Martin.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

That last Bee bit - the entertainment whatever thingy about foreign babies had me dying!

― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

"I still wanna smack the shit out of Demetri Martin."

any reason?

― That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, see normally, I'd think that too, but when i saw him, somehow it just worked. But I'm also impressed by his palindrome-creating skillz0r.

[Removed Illegal Link]

― Roz, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

x post

bah linkage http://www.slate.com/id/2101150/sidebar/2101387/ent/0/

― Roz, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

For those who didn't see it:

moustachioed u.n. hater and former u.n. ambassador John Bolton going on the show, arguing with Jon about Abraham Lincoln, and then the very next night, Jon talking to Doris Kearns Goodwin, who described exactly why Bolton was full of shit.

― kingfish, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

What was the point of having him on the show?

― Nicole, Friday, 23 March 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Entertainment.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 23 March 2007 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

so Jon could make doris kearns goodwin jokes

― kingfish, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

Because advertisers balk at paying for 22 minutes of dead air.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

dimitri martin's viacom vs youtube bit last night was killin me

― dmr, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

"Check it out... I'm buffering."

― kenan, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

i liked that Stewart was trying to let Bolton say his piece throughout, despite the best efforts of the audience. he genuinely tried to have an open discussion about it, which wasn't really reciprocated by Bolton's evasive assertions. phoning Doris Kearns Goodwin the next day was a bit lame, though, because Bolton didn't get chance to have he say in return. not that that alters the fact that he was talking out of his ass.

― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

He did a little better this time with going against a hardcore conservative, but Colbert can still pull that off far better.

I think part of it is in their approach: whereas Jon's is antagonistic and seeks to directly challenge the talking points of his guests head on, Stephen is usually a far bigger proponent of the points than even the guest proffering them and takes the points to their logical extension(e.g. when D'souza was on). The only time I've really seen Jon be as assertive/aggressive as Stephen can get was the last Hitchens appearance a coupla years back. (I didn't see William Kristol's, so maybe that one might have had some good interaction).

― kingfish, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

he genuinely tried to have an open discussion about it, which wasn't really reciprocated by Bolton's evasive assertions.

Which is why I wonder why they even bothered with Bolton. To me it wasn't entertaining, it was a big waste of time. I get nostalgic for the days when Jon would interview minor league actors from WB shows, his "big" interviews never fail to disappoint.

― Nicole, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

The best was dimitri's homemade version of the daily show -"bla bla blaawww"

― The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Friday, 23 March 2007 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

i liked the bolton interview. it reminded me that, technically, bolton is a human being. he even laughed.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 23 March 2007 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

Daily Show's a snooze these days.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 March 2007 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

what was that weird pushback thing bolton said at one point? "i was wondering when you were gonna stop quivering" or something?

― gabbneb, Friday, 23 March 2007 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

Nicole OTFM. Satirists should never appear with/"humanize" their targets, and Jennifer Love Hewitt remains the best interview I've seen Stewart do.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 23 March 2007 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think I need to see Stewart's Dubya "impression" ever again... or some stupid racist bullshit about how media in other countries is funny ... or hear Stewart make 'lolz Al Gore is fat" jokes ... plus the genuflection before various pols/pundits that Morbs has always complained about has also grown to irritate me more and more as time goes on.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 March 2007 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

Stewart really thinks that his Dubya imitation is really something, doesn't he?

― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 23 March 2007 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, I like the "bad" W imitation. It's indelible, the way the "Iiiii ammmm not-a-crook" Nixon ones were in '73.

Does JS really find foreign media any funnier than ours?

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

That imitation just goes on and on, and he does it at least two or three times a week. The Cheney duck voice is getting a little old, too.

― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

Goodwin was right-on about Lincoln (I read her biography a few weeks ago), but the tone of self-congratulation ("as my old friend LBJ once said...") was kinda gross.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

Cheney DUCK voice?!?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/29/Penguin1BurgessMeredith.jpg

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

That doesn't look like Danny DeVito!

― Pleasant Plains, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

But, hey, it does look like FDR!

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

well, FDR was the Good Penguin.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 23 March 2007 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

Does JS really find foreign media any funnier than ours?

I cannot count the number of times the DS has shown clips of foreign newsmedia - and often just footage of things from other countries, people protesting, holding meetings, etc. - and then run some totally juvenile "furriners are funny!/lookit that stupid haircut!/wailing women sure sound goofy!" kind of voiceover over them.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 23 March 2007 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

There's a difference between making fun of foreign media and making "fake news" by using satirical translations. I certainly don't think it's racism.

Anyway, the "Diagnosis: Mystery" segment a few nights ago was amazing.

― Nathan, Sunday, 25 March 2007 03:46 (nineteen years ago)

i think mo's is OTM to an extent. there have definitely been some uncomfortably verging-on-racist moments that came out of those bits. thankfully they don't do them as often these days.

i do enjoy the w and cheney imitations, though.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Sunday, 25 March 2007 08:25 (nineteen years ago)

holy shit, the "Wilmore/Oliver Investigates" bit was great

― kingfish, Friday, 30 March 2007 07:04 (nineteen years ago)

"Smurf, please!"

― kingfish, Friday, 30 March 2007 07:09 (nineteen years ago)

yeah! they've had a couple of really good bits recently.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 30 March 2007 07:23 (nineteen years ago)

> holy shit, the "Wilmore/Oliver Investigates" bit was great

not in england it wasn't. they silenced all the contentious words and the resulting piece made absolutely no sense.

― koogs, Friday, 30 March 2007 08:40 (nineteen years ago)

Does JS really find foreign media any funnier than ours?

But every country thinks that foreign media is funny and that foreigners are funny, and they all make fun of each other's television. The Daily Show also doesn't try to claim that U.S. television is any better. JS spends a good portion of his time taking the piss out of that too.

God though, Rob Riggle is a dead loss.

― accentmonkey, Friday, 30 March 2007 08:43 (nineteen years ago)

uncensored wilmore oliver investigates on youtube until viacom warms up their fax machine.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 30 March 2007 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

That is a first-class sketch.

I still don't know why John Oliver gets so much airtime, though.

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 30 March 2007 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

lol golddigger

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

OMG the segment on the guy who didn't his daughter's school to screen 'an inconvenient truth'....

― stevie, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha he had to be a plant that was too good

― tremendoid, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

I hope he was a plant, but unfortunately I don't think he's that farfetched.

― Nicole, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

I hope he was a plant, but unfortunately I don't think he's that farfetched.

i have seen the segment yet, but there really was a guy who did this.

― kingfish, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

link?

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

Can't find one. This happened a coupla months ago.

I'm waiting for these nutjobs to politicize and demonize the laws of thermodynamics next

― kingfish, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

are the over-the-shoulder shots ever for real? this one was great.

a couple of months ago? it was only shown here tonight.

― That one guy that quit, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

No, i'm talkign about the parent(s) freaking out about those lib'rul public schools indoctrinating/brainwashing climate change in their innocent and God-fearing children.

― kingfish, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

btw: a bowl of god's anger is part of this nutritious breakfast.

http://static.flickr.com/46/138535216_e339724fb0_o.png

― kenan, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know how to directly link to their videos, but the aforementioned one is "apocalpse how", which is up on their site.

http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/the_daily_show/index.jhtml

― JuliaA, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

I think my favorite part was his ~~Clinton~~ Al Gore impression.

― kenan, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

when he slips into kermit the frog its just eerie. beyond-david-brent uncomfortable.

― stevie, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

Oh he was totally channeling some Brent. He did the CHURCH LADY!

― iiiijjjj, Friday, 20 April 2007 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/299253_inconvenient11.html

The original story on the guy complaining about Al Gore's movie ran on Jan 11th.

― kingfish, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

"Condoms don't belong in school, and neither does Al Gore. He's not a schoolteacher," said Frosty Hardison, a parent of seven who also said that he believes the Earth is 14,000 years old. "The information that's being presented is a very cockeyed view of what the truth is. ... The Bible says that in the end times everything will burn up, but that perspective isn't in the DVD."

Hardison's e-mail to the School Board prompted board member David Larson to propose the moratorium Tuesday night.

"Somebody could say you're killing free speech, and my retort to them would be we're encouraging free speech," said Larson, a lawyer. "The beauty of our society is we allow debate."

After all, we all know that science is democratic! We get to vote on who's right after hearing two sides!

― kingfish, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 03:21 (nineteen years ago)

anyone else watch stewart v mccain

― deeznuts, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 03:36 (nineteen years ago)

It was good when you could hear the points being made, but they were talking over each other half the time.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 04:01 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but the points being made were actually really predictable so the talking over/tension was the best part

― deeznuts, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

i did think jon was great though yeah, we all know the dudes passionate behind what he does but he rarely brings it to the fore like he did tonight

btw has anyone read dfw's piece on mccain (in his last book of essays) most otm thing ever. i just cant not at the very least respect the guy.

― deeznuts, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

stewart's whole thing about the house without windows and doors was pretty good

― cutty, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 04:12 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998387,00.html

john dickerson you are likely a cock

― deeznuts, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 04:26 (nineteen years ago)

I liked that Jon called him on that "you're not supporting the troops" bullshit.

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The good thing about this, even if it is predictable, is that maybe some conservatives watched that night? I wonder if the Xtian Right ever watches The Daily Show? Would they be surprised at the civility? Every right-wing show I see is so much yelling and paranoia

― King Kitty, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

There was no civility last night! JS talked over everything McCain said. It was almost O'Reilly-esque.

― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

JS talked over everything McCain said. It was almost O'Reilly-esque.

Which is weird when you consider how he usually fawns over war criminals like Kissinger. I wouldn't mind the confrontational style if JS was consistent, but he's usually such a sycophant to almost all of the politicians and pundits on his show.

― Nicole, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

I think he's just polite. and they were hardly shouting.

― King Kitty, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

You can argue with someone and be civil about it

― King Kitty, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think you can argue over someone and be civil, though.

― Nicole, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

I do it all the time!

― King Kitty, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

But really, JS = BO'R? That's a pretty big stretch IMHO

― King Kitty, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

JS is on a short time limit to, so there's not really time for McCain to ramble on and on about how war critics are ruining the soldier's families

― King Kitty, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

That is a statement that should be challenged, but why challenge McCain and no other conservative pol he has on the show?

― Nicole, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Because he's comfortable with McCain.

― kenan, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, but it was bad interviewing form to just cut McCain off after five seconds every single time. I don't necessarily agree with McCain, but I would've liked to hear what he had to say -- Stewart has the rest of his show to soapbox.

― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

...and Stewart missed the obvious question, ie. What's so spankin' great about your new "strategy" anyway?

― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

I've fallen into teh pattern of turning off the show right before the interview.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

JS does tend to dominate the interviews. He obviously likes McCain.

― King Kitty, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

've fallen into teh pattern of turning off the show right before the interview.

This is usually what I do as well but I was up late working on something anyway...

― Nicole, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

me to, but it depends entirely on which Futurama is on. lame futurama episode = daily show interviews

― King Kitty, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

Jon's never been good with openly calling conservative politicos on their bullshit, but remember that McCain in particular has the longest history with the show than pretty much any other prominent american politician. Just remember all the bits done during his 2000 campaign.

― kingfish, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

Watch for a follow-up tonight in case Jon missed something. When Bolton was on last month, they came back the night after to refute some of the things he said.

That's like thinking of a zinger on the way home from the bar.

― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

A de-bearded Hitch was on tonight pushing his "i'm an alky atheist" book; he was flushed but mainly comprenhesive. The segment was far less contentious than the last time round. Also, more mentions of the phrase "menstrual blood." I enjoyed the bit, tho i'm heavily drunk.

Vid should be up w/in 8 hours, somewhere.

― kingfish, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 06:36 (nineteen years ago)

is JS just playing devil's advocate when he says shit like "hell we should have gone in with 250,000 troops"? it kind of freaks me out even if he is. the one thing that doesn't cross the atlantic so well is the need constantly to respect the troops, almost to regard the military as above politics.

― That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

yes he's playing dev's adv. It's true that my "The Troops are Dropouts" shirt doesn't go over well here.

Great that JS got Hic-chens to talk about Johnnie Walker so much.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

also I finally got to see some decent debate clips

GRAVEL FOR PREZ

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

I love that guy.

― Nicole, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

And heeere's the vid

― kingfish, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

he really should say GRAV-el tho.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

Just ask Dick Cheenie.

― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

Larry Wilmore got interviewed on fresh air today. I didn't know he used to write for In Living Color...

― kingfish, Tuesday, 5 June 2007 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

john oliver -- funny! who knew. maybe he's a good fit for the longer pieces.

― tremendoid, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 03:21 (eighteen years ago)

is this show still good? i hardly ever watch any more.

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 09:26 (eighteen years ago)

it's up and down. the More 4 and 4OD coverage seems really erratic. i watched the 'latest' one a few nights ago and it was the same one as a week before. maybe i was just being an idiot.

gotta like john oliver.

daily show > newsknight > > late edition

or maybe the cheap/lame jokes seem less cheap/lame when there is some distance. also american politics seems sooo screwed. yes, even more so than uk.

― Alan, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 10:09 (eighteen years ago)

it has become very successful and very slick (although it was always fairly tightly-run and produced). these are some of the same ingredients which have led to actual news becoming so horrible (i.e. millionaire pundit values becoming totally disconnected from the concerns of their audience). so i wonder if the same thing could happen to the daily show?

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 17 July 2007 10:14 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Buck Henry.

― kenan, Thursday, 9 August 2007 03:16 (eighteen years ago)

i miss this now we don't have cable

― Maria :D, Thursday, 9 August 2007 05:25 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

larry david :-)

― Garbanzo (get bent), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 06:25 (sixteen years ago)

wyatt cenac actually made me laugh tonight

― s1ocked up, they won't let me out (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 06:40 (sixteen years ago)

i liked cenac's joke that the south carolina governor "pulled a chappelle"

― Garbanzo (get bent), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 06:43 (sixteen years ago)

yes, also when he theorized that the governor chased a coyote into the forest in order to fuck it

― s1ocked up, they won't let me out (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 24 June 2009 06:58 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

this goatee thing is not good at all.

― Clay, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 03:37 (fifteen years ago)

Is he really series about a sequel to The Faculty? If so, HOORAY! If not, get him a razor.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 03:40 (fifteen years ago)

serious, rather

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 27 July 2010 03:40 (fifteen years ago)

SHAKING AND CRYING

― ô_o (Nicole), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 12:13 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

great throwaway joke in tuesday's episode re romney's revealing his accounts: "Release the Quicken".

― koogs, Thursday, 26 January 2012 09:30 (fourteen years ago)

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