Why has there been no widespread 90's revival?

We're in 2021; by 2011 we'd had over a decade of 80's revivalism. I'm posting this in ILE because I think it goes beyond music, and in fact music is the area where you do find some revivalism happen, but from nu rave to g funk to street soul it never seems to go much further than very specific niches. People who're in the know tell me there has been such a thing in fashion, but it certainly doesn't seem to have spilled over enough into the mainstream for 90's parties to become a big thing or even for there to be a default "90's guy" look afaict. I'm sure people will come up with counter examples but I do think the contrast is stark, to the 80's but also to previous revivals of the 50's, 60's, 70's. I dunno, I'm prepared to be convinced otherwise I guess.

So if you accept the premise, what's behind it? Are Gen X just less nostalgic than the generations preceding them? Is 90's culture already too retro in and of itself to get this kind of treatment? Or something else?

dead on arrival iirc

I remember some friends doing 80s revival as early as '98 - and there was Romo in '96.

think the problem is that we may still be in the long 90s.

and in a related manner the 90's was the last decade of the long 50s

For the same reason that Gen X gets overlooked any time someone writes an article about "generational conflict": we're outnumbered on either side of the divide.
Also, in the digital/online realm that was starting to get rolling at the end of the 90s, nothing ever really goes away. Why bother to revive the era when you can listen to all your favourite Soundgarden on YouTube whenever you feel like it?
Relatedly, I feel the "innovation/discovery" model of culture ground to a halt by about 2000, so what is there to go back to?

I'm in my 30s and I wouldn't say my peers are massively influenced by the 90s in their tastes in fashion/music - I mean, obviously we have the stuff we grew up with, but it's not really about a retro aesthetic. Whereas a lot of the folk I know in their late teens and early 20s dress in a way that codes to me as almost a pastiche of the 90s.

The 80s revival always seemed fun to me when I was in my 20s cos I hadn't lived through it. I'm dreading the inevitable early 00s revival.

Mainstream music between say 1992 and 2015 - from Britpop to R&B soul covers to Strokes-era garage rock to talent show oldies covers to 80s funk homages - was so self-consciously backwards-looking that it seems impossible to revive on its own. Fortunately the last five years seem to have more of their own flavour.

y'all should move to Bushwick, the proliferation of bucket hats and miscellaneous 90s raver looks might surprise you. agreed though that there is not a "That 90s Show" level acceptance of a set of "90s" tropes or a proliferation of "90s theme parties" or whatever. and when big-budget pop culture has tried to go there it's generally come up pretty vague. see the Captain Marvel movie, which really struggles with this imo.

want to mention the many, many buzzfeed-style listicles of "you know you were a 90s kid if..." which contain nothing whatsoever I remember from the 90s, a time when was aged 10-20 (I really shouldn't waste my time hate-reading these things, I know I have a problem)

Feels like every youmng person I know is deep into eulogising nineties hip hop and dance music (especially jungle). It's not quite the shrill, obvious "EIGHTIES MUSIC IS THE BEST!!" style of revivalism which permeated the 2000s, but it's there as a nostalgic undertone.

For me, it's partly to do with fashion. I can tell you exactly what the archetypal fashion signifiers of the 70s and 80s were: flares, afro-wigs, disco-dancing in the seventies; big shoulder pads, hard make-up and hairspray in the eighties. This isn't what people actually wore in those decades but a fancy-dress caricaturisation of those times.

By the time I get to the 90s though, it's a bit more nuanced. Popstars started dressing more like everyday people, and a lot of the fahsion hasn't necessarily gone away. What am I supposed to say - ripped jeans, bumbags/fannypacks, tank-tops for the 90s; shutter-shades, trucker hats and skinny jeans for the 2000s? It's not so much to go on - it's less parody-able.

People above touched on it, but this is simple:

• 90s is when the mono-culture died and the eternal now began (i.e. the Internet).
• 90s is Gen-X-town, and no one gaf about Gen-X. Not our parents, not our kids.

Isn't there a big love/revival for the Friends era/looks from the kids ? Also for like Nirvana etc ? I know my niece (who's a teenager) loves all our old 90s clothes !

Where is this idea that Gen-X is ignored coming from though? I'm genuinely interested in this.

Friends just had a revival and people haven't STFU about it. Also there's a sort of internet cult around the Simpsons where graffiti and net artists mess around with the characters, often in a surrealist way

yeah I think there's quite a lot of 90s nostalgia and revivalism! particularly 90s house music. which, is like, okay i like 90s house music, but it never seems to go away.

I also disagree with the premise, I think 90s stuff is pretty big right now

I see kids dressed like the 90s all the time

I think the 80s revival has been a little more than everyone watching Family Ties for a week and remembering they liked Huey Lewis.

It is interesting, cf the Pink Floyd thread, that during the 90s there was huge revivalism for certain looks and sounds i.e Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd were absolutely massive in my medium-sized Tennessee town - but those aspects of the 90s are utterly absent from any of today's 90s revivalism

I mean the other day I had to go get some stuff at my daughter's school and I saw older girls pretty much dressed like they were in The Craft

I don't have kids so I will defer to those who do on what "the kids" are into.

Just will point to the word "widespread" in the thread title.

Also, I'm 48 and it felt that the period when advertisers were pandering to 90s nostalgia lasted about 5 minutes.

xpost Tracer that's no different than the 90s in a way - our fascination with the 70s didn't extend to embracing the 50s nostalgia of the 70s

I think there’s another thread on it somewhere, but there’s a 90s palette of free-floating light day-glo colours that instantly signifies 90s in clothing and graphic design.

What are the big 90s songs that have been used in national commercials? Genuine question, I watch few commercials these days.

What I do see seems like it's still 80s or 80s-inspired new music.

I saw a commercial for Rick and Morty and used Sabotage by the Beasties last night

there's also a ton of 90s computer culture imagery, the post seapunk, Ecco the Dolphin look, Windows 95 vibe

Yeah, also kind of dispute the premise. My partner works at a school where the kids wear flares, Global Hypercolour, hoodies and flannel etc - to the point where, photo quality aside, it's genuinely hard to tell what era some school photos come from. They listen to Nirvana, Oasis, and rollerskate to Mariah. Nineties house piano is still everywhere. They're all obsessed with Friends. There was a period in the mid-2010s when Buzzfeed was basically the "...Remember the 90s" channel

I'm more surprised there hasn't been an aughts revival yet - I remember going to nineties dance nights as far back as 2007-8. I'm not sure what an aughts revival would look like, though.

I also disagree with the premise, I think 90s stuff is pretty big right now

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, June 9, 2021 7:45 AM bookmarkflaglink

I see kids dressed like the 90s all the time

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, June 9, 2021 7:47 AM bookmarkflaglink

agree. i just went to a local hangout/bar whose entire motif is 90s hip-hop, down to the art on the walls, and the music being played.

Sorry, it's not a 90s revival until they use Hunger Strike in a McDonald's commercial.

Ecco the motherfucking Dolphin. wow...that takes me back.

"You don't have to steal bread from the mouths of decadence, when you can get two for Sausage, Egg & Cheese McMuffins for $2."

And for instance, Billie Eilish'fashion choices are very 90s imo.

Ok, that I totally see.

not that I wanna keep focusing on just hip-hop, but Celph-Titled did a while 90s-themed album a decade ago using older beats from Buckwild called Nineteen Ninety Now, and in his interviews, he talked about how the zenith of hip-hop was the 90s.

Nickelodeon also crams as much Friends as it can into a several hour block.

and lol Eve 6 guy!

I partly disagree with the premise, in that I see quite a lot of 90s influence.

But more fundamentally, I think the reason it never became quite as big as 50s, 60s and 70s revivalism is that people have stopped thinking in decades as much, probably because since this century started, we've had two that didn't have very catchy names.

There may be a big 20s revival in the 2040s.

can't wait for 00s revivalism, which leads to sequels to Hitch, You, Me, and Dupree, and everybody forms a garage rock band

I remember some friends doing 80s revival as early as '98 - and there was Romo in '96.

think the problem is that we may still be in the long 90s.

Yeah, born in '85 I kinda feel like there's never not been an 80's revival, though I think GTA: Vice City and Electroclash revved things up.

Your second statement tho I cannot relate to at all: even by 2002, p much everything I associated with the 90's - from "end of history" politics through sub-Tarantino cinema and on to grunge, britpop, lilith fair - already seemed like complete ancient history.

It is interesting, cf the Pink Floyd thread, that during the 90s there was huge revivalism for certain looks and sounds i.e Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd were absolutely massive in my medium-sized Tennessee town - but those aspects of the 90s are utterly absent from any of today's 90s revivalism

― Tracer Hand

This is not ringing any bells with me, Tracer.

If you were born in 85, Daniel, it's worth saying that 80s nostalgia started even longer ago than you might think – I remember a student disco night called Club Tropicana in 1992.

It's true that vaporwave took a lot of aesthetic cues from the 90's but strangely the music in general still could be from the 80's.

I think part of what I'm surprised about is that even in '99 older kids going on and on about Nirvana, Pearl Jam and such felt as or more oppresive to me than the boomer fixation w/ 60's music and I had expected that to increase in amplitude as the decades pass, but I don't think it did really.

00's revivalism - Nu Metal has been made respectable in a lot of circles in the same sort of narrative that bands like Journey underwent previously. There's also a ton of nostalgia for Myspace and the pre social media internet.

80s, 90s, 00s revivalism has been happening all at once for a while now idk where people get this 20/25 year rule stuff from but if it was ever true it's not now

Mainstream music between say 1992 and 2015 - from Britpop to R&B soul covers to Strokes-era garage rock to talent show oldies covers to 80s funk homages - was so self-consciously backwards-looking that it seems impossible to revive on its own.

Fo the early 00's, I might be having an excessively rosy view for my own youth, but: dubstep, Neptunes/Timbaland, crunk, hyphy and assorted hip-hop regional trends, plenty to revive there if ppl were so inclined.

For the 90's, Trip Hop, G Funk, Wu Tang?

What do you mean, Alba? That The Floyd and The Zep are big again?

I'm guessing he meant that Floyd and Zep weren't very huge to him in the 90's, which will be yr usual US/UK divide at work.

the whole Griselda/Mach Jimmy/produced by Alchemist/post Roc Marciano scene has gotten really big in the last few years basically just throwing back to Mobb Deep and Only Built 4 Cuban Linx

people have stopped thinking in decades as much, probably because since this century started, we've had two that didn't have very catchy names.

I love the idea this is mainly a branding issue!

xpost wasn't Benny the Butcher also kinda in that vibe, or am I misremembering

people have stopped thinking in decades as much, probably because since this century started, we've had two that didn't have very catchy names.

I love the idea this is mainly a branding issue!

I'll admit this tho: WWI aside, I don't have as tidy a distinction between the 1900's and 1910's as I do for every decade of the 20th century from thereon.

7, Gillett00's revivalism - Nu Metal has been made respectable in a lot of circles in the same sort of narrative that bands like Journey underwent previously. There's also a ton of nostalgia for Myspace and the pre social media internet.


but Nu Metal is late 90s not 00s, all those bands were 90s bands, 3 Dollar Bill Y'all was 97, Follow the Leader was 98... Woodstock 99....Devil Without a Cause is 98

Neanderthal -Benny is part of Griselda records - him, Westside Gunn, Conway the Machine

They are a late late 90's to early 00's crossover thing but believe me being in high school in the 00's Nu Metal was absolutely considered the music of the zeitgeist and something ppl only a couple of years older than us would scoff at.

I think part of the problem here is people's conception of "the 90s" ends in like 95

2000 is still essentially late 90s, except with a lot more people downloading music for free.
2001 felt like the tides starting to turn.

Because optimism is uncool

The 90s were optimistic?

can't think of which thread really unpacks the idea of a neither-fish-nor-fowl pop interzone circa 1998 to 2001... thought it was The song that represents the END of the 90s but casual control-Fing isn't delivering the goods.

Isn't there a big love/revival for the Friends era/looks from the kids ? Also for like Nirvana etc ? I know my niece (who's a teenager) loves all our old 90s clothes !

I love the idea this is mainly a branding issue!

Exactly! I've been been banging this drum for at least 15 years, tbh. There was some attempt to make 'naughties' catch on in the UK, I see 'aughts' is bigger in the US, but really they don't get talked about nearly as much as decades did in the past, nor do the 10s, and that's had a knock-on effect in dampening nascent 90s nostalgia cause decades aren't what they were. It'd be interesting to see if a cultural historian could track the course of decade discourse. 'Roaring 20s' kicked it off, it feels like, though don't know when that phrase caught on.

What do you mean, Alba? That The Floyd and The Zep are big again?

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, June 9, 2021 8:38 AM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm guessing he meant that Floyd and Zep weren't very huge to him in the 90's, which will be yr usual US/UK divide at work.

― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, June 9, 2021 8:39 AM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah, what Daniel says. I'm teasing about your medium-sized town really. But you're right that decade revivalism does tend to be dumbly reductionist.

Roaring 20s' kicked it off, it feels like, though don't know when that phrase caught on.

What about the gay 1890's?

naughties is the worst kind of innocent smoothies bollocks i hate britain

You're quite right, Daniel!

Here's yr gay nineties and roaring 20s n-gram.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=gay+nineties+%2Croaring+twenties&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true

The 90s were optimistic?

― MarkoP, Wednesday, 9 June 2021 12:50 (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

overwhelmingly so imo

Appropriately enough to my theory, the 'gay nineties' was coined just as the 20s made decades catchy again

The 90s were optimistic outside of, you know, Rwanda and the Balkans, until Tricky released his Pre-Millennial Tension album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi5j7jjhm4M

> naughties is the worst kind of innocent smoothies bollocks i hate britain

Haha. However you are all aware it’s noughties, as in the number?

I see Y2K parties all the time. at midnight people crash their cars into the house

Noughtsy-woughtsies xp

Haha. However you are all aware it’s noughties, as in the number?

It's cloying either way. The '-ies' is excusable with other decades because it's there in the number.

naughties or noughties, it's the same horrible tedious twee play on words

It's bad but so is "two thousand and..." instead of "twenty..." regarding any of the last eleven years which just won't stop happening.

grammatical awkwardness is inevitable, twee innocent smoothies bollocks is avoidable and must be avoided

The 90's rave revival appears to be in rude health here in Bristol. Recently a lot of the yoofs I see e-scootering past my house are wearing bucket hats and baggy jeans like it was 1991, no idea whether this is just a local thing though.

Breakbeat / hardcore / jungle (with actual chopped funk samples, not the lumpen 'nu skool' variety) are all back in vogue, which is a pretty 90's vibe to recreate. Also a lot of flyer / event poster / release art is heavily influenced by early 90's Dreamscape vibe atm.

The one thing that saddens me a bit is that a lot of the cheesy hands in the air breakdown stuff that worked so well in contrast to the rough breaks isn't being revived as much.

I feel like I constantly see references to Simpsons/Seinfeld/Friends online these days, so it sometimes feels like the 90s never ended.

see how the poison spreads

https://i.postimg.cc/rsYKFtRb/Screenshot-20210609-141437-Twitter.jpg

Simpsons memes are a particularly interesting one because it's obviously all the most memorable 90s quotes and images and younger adults have happily adopted them to the point where its original format as a TV show feels secondary to its newer life as evergreen reaction source, without acknowledging it still exists as the former except when to complain about how bad it is.

'noughties' is completely fine

🤢 

the naughty aughties

quietly one of the worst things about twitter is people saying derivative unfunny stuff and then other, apparently even less funny people, popping up to be like "gonna start using this now" or "omg, stealing this one for later." or more likely, posting a reaction gif from some TV show captioned "omg, stealing this one for later."

as far as the 90s, this is obvious but another cycle here is Gen Xers having kids, the kids grew up with 90s music playing in the car, they're now old enough for some of them to also claim it as their favorite stuff. same as the 70s-90s thing when Funky Days Were Back Again. or the tremendous number of people around my age (39) who grew up on Graceland and Billy Joel's Greatest Hits, and so forth. this is distinct from people actively unearthing things that were lesser-known or unpopular in their original heyday, but the thread Q seems to be more about a mainstream-accepted, pop-recognized kind of revival.

Wu-Tang definitely feels bigger than in a long time. i see the logo a lot.

can corroborate that bucket hats are very trendy w london kids, or at least were very recently

I've seen the Linda Lindas story posted all over, which is cool but also 100% riot grrl revival

while back it was the same with these School of Rock kids covering Fugazi

https://www.rockcellarmagazine.com/fugazi-twitter-trend-cleveland-school-of-rock-teenagers/

Linda Lindas link
https://variety-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/variety.com/2021/music/news/linda-lindas-racist-sexist-boy-lapl-1234978285/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16232459270401&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fvariety.com%2F2021%2Fmusic%2Fnews%2Flinda-lindas-racist-sexist-boy-lapl-1234978285%2F

I think part of the problem here is people's conception of "the 90s" ends in like 95

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, June 9, 2021 8:47 AM (fifty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This seems otm to me personally and on a broader level. Similar to how a lot of people's conception of the 80s seems focussed on like 84-87.

something i think about a lot is how old shows getting added to Netflix seems to be a new factor in this that wasnt at play in previous instances of decade revivalism, in terms of what things get plucked from the ether as the dominant signifiers of the era. i know more than one person who has gotten a Frasier-related tattoo in the last few years (im sorry to say). but if the streaming rights deal had broken a different way, i imagine it could just as easily have been Grace Under Fire or Spin City or something

95 is when the internet started becoming mainstream, right? Seems normal to split the decade in two based on that

Hip-hop and R&B still going strong. The way Soundscan revealed how undercounted their commercial strength was and the way radio yielded to them was the decade's most distinguishing characteristic in America, not grunge or whatever, whose impact on the Hot 100 was more minimal than on the bigger album chart.

So what "nineties" are some of y'all looking for?

This seems otm to me personally and on a broader level. Similar to how a lot of people's conception of the 80s seems focussed on like 84-87.

That's true in some contexts, but at the same time I sometimes see everything crunched down in ways that are hilarious to those who lived through it. I wish I'd taken a photo, but a few years ago I was in Edinburgh and there was a flyer from some student disco that used the Trainspotting poster with Morrissey, Shaun Ryder and god knows who else photoshopped in place of the actors.

I can't remember if it was billed as an 80s night, 90s night or both.

Maybe it was supposedly Madchester-themed, in fact.

its already been 10 years since that album of Win95 startup sounds was The Wire's album of the year

I really want a return to the Poppy Bush Interzone—acid and techno leaking to the mainstream, Metallica having a top 40 hit, etc.

Hip-hop and R&B still going strong. The way Soundscan revealed how undercounted their commercial strength was and the way radio yielded to them was the decade's most distinguishing characteristic in America, not grunge or whatever, whose impact on the Hot 100 was more minimal than on the bigger album chart.

If it's still going strong it can't be a revival, no? I don't think ppl think of Hip-Hop or R&B as particularly 90's genres, and I don't think most examples of those genres that you hear on the radio in 2021 sound more influenced by the 90's than the 80's or 00's.

That's fair. I just wonder whose '90s we mean and what "nineties" is shorthand for.

90s are those mythical pre-9/11, pre-fovever-war, pre-recession, pre-austerity, pre-trump, pre-brexit, pre-climate-worst-case-scenario, pre-pandemic times when everything was pretty much ok and everybody basically got along

we had it all, Arrested Development, Dr Dre, Eve 6, Limp Bizkit, Bob Dole, debit cards, grunge

I don't think ppl think of Hip-Hop or R&B as particularly 90's genres

Wait, what?

xp it was the "end of history" iirc

To an extent the show Portlandia was Gen Xers paying homage to the '90s, or "The Dream of the '90s" as they called it. I sense among my fellow Gen Xers that our nostalgia is focused on the '80s (i.e. high school) or still on the '70s - whether ironically (we were neglected and ignored latchkey kids) or genuinely (we were free-range kids, how great was that). I do think there was a vibe of optimism for a hot minute in the early '90s underneath the slacker cynicism and that is the moment and the zeitgeist I've been lately feeling some pangs of nostalgia for. I feel nothing whatsoever for the culture of the late '90s. But then there must be a maximum age a person can feel nostalgic for, and for me that is about 26.

My neighborhood is a sort of mass production factory for kids and I see them wearing Nirvana t-shirts all the time and have for years. It's funny though, it's really just Nirvana. You never see them wear a Throwing Muses or an L7 shirt.

I had a 90s revival party and I destroyed Wikipedia and infected everybody's computer with trojans, also added frames to every website

xp

yeah it's weird that lots of young people seem to listen to Nirvana but never Pearl Jam or Soundgarden (from my anecdotal viewpoint). Those bands were almost as huge as Nirvana back then.

Do young people today listen to Rage Against The Machine? I feel like that's a band made for teenagers that would probably hold up over time

I don't think ppl think of Hip-Hop or R&B as particularly 90's genres
Wait, what?

Those genres are way too huge to be associated with one decade imo. Subgenres like New Jack Swing or G-Funk are associated with the 90's, but saying that Hip-Hop or R&B in and of themselves are 90's genres would be like saying Rock is a "70's genre".

Like if "WAP" comes on the radio do you think "ah, a 90's throwback"?

Well no, but there's no genre as wide as Hip-Hop or R&B that you could really say is just 90s, is there?

No, nor for any other decade either. Which is why bringing them up as evidence of 90's revival didn't scan for me, don't really see why that's so confounding?

I remember some friends doing 80s revival as early as '98 - and there was Romo in '96

Waaay back upthread, but bars in my college town had "Timewarp Tuesday" nights that were all 80s music starting in 1994.

That's fair. I just wonder whose '90s we mean and what "nineties" is shorthand for.

This is a good point. I'll cop to having brought up grunge because it was huge in the white boy rock fan circles I had access to as a teen, and because I was pretty convinced it would become 60's boomer rock level monolithic at that time.

I am in a New Jack Swing Parties London group on FB but even before covid there wasn't much activity :(

that makes me wish I was in London

Seinfeld sample in this Wale and SZA song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4wyY5pJ9r8

Wale has always been a Seinfeld stan; dropped The Mixtape About Nothing (w/ Seinfeld graphics) in 2008.

ahhhh

lotta 90s influences everywhere rn but pop culture will never work in that purportedly cyclical way again due to internet

That was my point above re: death of the monoculture.

Waaay back upthread, but bars in my college town had "Timewarp Tuesday" nights that were all 80s music starting in 1994.

I seem to remember a (moderately tongue-in-cheek but still OTM) 1980s revival story in Select Magazine in... 1993? It's somewhere here but I can't find the issue.

thinking about the popularity of sadboy bart among many younger digital natives, in the context of whatever the 90s means to these people (many of whom weren't born yet). it's not revivalism since it mixes it up with 00s emo and 10s cloudrap signifiers and post-vapor nostalgia filters which mine pathos from wanting to go back and knowing you can't. it's "i hate myself and i want to die" as a post-post-ironic shitpost-turned-aesthetic, deeply felt and flippant and corny and knowing all at once. this stuff is *everywhere* and someone should do some kind of study of it (closest i found was a p4k article on s i m p s o n w a v e which gets at some of this but is only part of it)

https://fsa.zobj.net/crop.php?r=Qm6gD1sdY0tHzEdN26bXhb2G4-iQEMOCF6NAJREpQbbw7vYiYR5_506xu9kThJgY_WSA_tp2LEba1dKn03AXg4gk4ogSlPelMO_oTdg-vo9Cx8qeF6iXJiX_9Yx5KFA8CqU_bCIUm5-Io-uq

Yeah, a lot of my friends in their 20s have been in bands that sound kinda like Swervedriver, I've been to dayglo parties where they play stuff like 'Castles in the Sky' and 'King of my Castle' (I'm sure there's another '90s house song I'm trying to think of here but my mind is only giving me tracks about castles). I don't really feel like there *hasn't* been a '90s revival.

I threw an 80s party in 1990!

(But of course as has been mentioned above, "80s" has come to mean just one segment of the 80s -- somebody earlier in thread said 1984-87 but I'd say 81-86? Like, "Walk Like an Egyptian" yes, "Hungry Eyes" no.)

Which is why bringing them up as evidence of 90's revival didn't scan for me, don't really see why that's so confounding?

Yeah, sorry, confusion over wording, is all. When you said "I don't think ppl think of Hip-Hop or R&B as particularly 90's genres" I read that as "Hip-hop and R&B weren't particularly big in the 90s", which isn't what you meant.

As for 90s nostalgia, I would have said that the fading of Nirvana has come as a huge surprise to me. As a college kid it just seemed clear they were going be like the Beatles, a permanent feature of the way we talked about culture. People upthread saying they see kids wearing Nirvana stuff, so I guess so? But my experience has been just the opposite, that talk about Nirvana has utterly vanished. My kids (teens) certainly don't know who they are or know any of their songs, and they know plenty of old stuff.

???

They're certainly the last band to make it into the "rock canon", for what that's worth.

kurt is lennonified at this point. plenty of kids my age didn't know beatles songs but plenty worshipped them, lots of let it be shirts, etc

nirvana were tained for a while for some by "not being as good as [less successful indie band]" and by the wave of post-grunge and nu-metal that cited them but no one cares about the former now and a loads of kids who grew up on the latter still worship nirvana/kurt and the whole mythology. i don't think many rock stars have been referenced more in rap

*tainted

My 9 year-old heard "Smells Like Teen Spirit" on the radio when we were driving somewhere, pronounced it his new favorite song, has added about seven of their songs to his rolling Spotify playlist and insisted on us buying him a T-shirt last time we were at Target, so, anecdotally at least, I don't think they are going anywhere.

At what age are you planning to have the "Scratch Acid were better" talk

Think 12 maybe?

His tastes are all over the place, and while I play music around the house constantly, I don't really try to force anything on him and see what sticks. His favorite artists in the last few years have been Marshmello, Imagine Dragons, Kiss (which, fair play, I though Kiss was the bee's knees when I was 9 too), Metallica and, now, Nirvana.

Millennials are old enough to have their own The Big Chill now but I haven't seen such a thing, nor would I want to

What was Gen X’s Big Chill?

xpost - Bunch of people dancing around to "House of Jealous Lovers" while they wait for Doordash to show up?

I think we were so repulsed by the original Big Chill that we never wanted to have our own

What is the Gen-X Big Chill?

Oh, oops.

Ha, was just reading the other day about a 2014 film with Jason Ritter, Aubrey Plaza and Max Greenfield called About Alex that was apparently called Big Chill 2.0 in a lot of reviews. Can't say I've seen it to confirm.

In the UK, maybe it was ITV’s Cold Feet.

I am afraid the Gen-X The Big Chill might be Knocked Up.

I rewatched The Big Chill recently and noted that the 30-somethings in it were jumping around to vintage records that were mainly 15-20 yrs old at that point, so it would be very much like 30-somethings of today putting on "Toxic" and going nuts. But the film is really about loss of idealism, so you have to have had idealism to begin with.

The Big Chillax

The Gen X Big Chill was Greenberg, maybe?

I don't even know what anybody's Big Chill is. What is this thing that is purportedly a behemoth of culture that everything should be measured against?

Ha ha, you're right - it is odd. I'm all about Peter's Friends.

Anyway, coming back to my earlier point about people stopping thinking in terms of decades once they're not readily nameable, here's the ngram of relative usage of the word decade

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=decade&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true

https://i.imgur.com/489GLOh.png

Wait, it was Garden State, wasn't it?

I am afraid the Gen-X The Big Chill might be Knocked Up

yeah I feel the Gen-X version would have to be a piss-take of some kind perhaps starring Will Ferrell, but it's too late for one now

Reality Bites

I haven't seen either, but I think the protagonists of Garden State and Reality Bites were too recently out of college. The Big Chill was about 30-somethings.

That's true, I was just thinking more about the reliance on the soundtrack and how that had more of a cultural impact than the film itself.

If anyone needs help in achieving the look, here's a guide:

https://www.glamour.com/story/how-to-dress-90s

So that chart upthread would indicate that generalizing about how people of previous eras contextualized decades is itself a stereotypically '80s/'90s thing to do

Reality Bites

― BrianB, Wednesday, June 9, 2021 1:20 PM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This and Singles were my first two thoughts, but the characters in those are really post-college 20-somethings, not 30-somethings starting to wrestle with middle age.

Those are Gen-X St. Elmo's Fire's not The Big Chill's

St. Elmo's Fire is kind of more Gen X or extreeeeemely late boomer. There's sort of an internal division within Gen X imo, like people who were out of college by the end of the 80s vs people in college in the early/mid 90s

the last 20 or so posts are incomprehensible

There's definitely a small unnamed generation between boomers and Gen X... like people born in the early Sixties can't qualify as boomers but are a little early to fit in as officially Gen X.

Nah, they're boomers.

Though some disagree:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Jones

That’s like the Judd Nelson cohort. Recall that in the same year (1985) he played a 17-year-old in The Breakfast Club and a college graduate in St. Elmo’s Fire

I decree it is Generation Judd

Judge Reinhold is only two years older than Judd Nelson

Generation Kamala

Vince Neil was born in '61, he's right in there as well. No one can claim he's a boomer.

Let's ask a Gen Zer.

ILX Gen Zers, come out, come out wherever you are.

forget the boomers, let's ask the Loomers

What are the big 90s songs that have been used in national commercials? Genuine question, I watch few commercials these days.

AD WARS - tag team's "whoomp there it is" vs. pet shop boys' "opportunities"

can't wait for 00s revivalism, which leads to sequels to Hitch, You, Me, and Dupree, and everybody forms a garage rock band

Evan Su55er and Van R0bicheaux's 2016 script for Wedding Crashers 2 has been revived to potentially shoot in Puerto Rico in August

If you were born in 85, Daniel, it's worth saying that 80s nostalgia started even longer ago than you might think – I remember a student disco night called Club Tropicana in 1992.

There was a three-story collared-shirt nightclub in downtown Sydney called Club Retro playing 80s music by 1992

Linda Lindas link
https://variety-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/variety.com/2021/music/news/linda-lindas-racist-sexist-boy-lapl-1234978285/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16232459270401&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fvariety.com%2F2021%2Fmusic%2Fnews%2Flinda-lindas-racist-sexist-boy-lapl-1234978285%2F

hey I can think of one aspect of the 90s that should be revived

The oldies station here in the Bay Area used to play 50's, 60's and 70's hits but switched to "all eighties, all the time" a couple years back... feels like classic rock is sliding back towards Perry Como and Bing Crosby territory

I live in one of the hipper neighborhoods of Chicago and can confirm that I see plenty of folks in their 20s wearing 90s fashions. There’s a whole “vintage” shop called Kokorokoko that sells 90s clothes, though it all looks ghastly to me—are these kids wearing Joe Camel shirts out of irony, or do they genuinely find this stuff aesthetically pleasing? Beats me.

It’s progressing, too—saw a Facebook invite online for a bar holding an early 2000s night.

omg I forgot about that store, it is an amazing headfuck of a place

jfc, $108 for the NIN tour shirt I outgrew and gave away 15 years ago

$178 for a "vintage" Dale Earnhardt Jr shirt, but be quick, "Only 1 available and it's in 2 people's carts"

I feel like dance music is in constant mini-cycles of 90s revivalism.

What is some contemporary music with 90s house piano? Because I love that sound.

more balaeric than italo but Murphy's Law (Cosmodelica Remix)

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdeqJ414/

What are the big 90s songs that have been used in national commercials? Genuine question, I watch few commercials these days.

From the people who brought back Tag Team...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGKYkr0K-Kg

Two recent tracks reminded me of this thread: the new Lorde single with its "Freedom! 90" and Screamadelica influences and Taylor Swift's "Willow" 90s trend remix

i was out in town browsing charity shops and noticed a young person dressed top-to-toe like a mid-2000s hipster, pink Von Dutch trucker cap, white Kappa towelling socks etc. The look seemed very studied, but not like anything I'd seen in at least 12-15 years.

Flannel shirts have been back since 2008.

feel like 90s revival has been big for a while now, at least in terms of fashion, zoomer women dressing like their in the craft, that kind of thing, but this has sort has ebbed into "y2k aesthetic".

I'm team teaching a class this fall that has one undergrad helping out and she was trying to explain her concept of 'y2k' fashion to the rest of us - a younger millenial grad student and three gen x guys.

Something about old people (older millenials, I believe) buying modified children's clothing via instagram and how the paul frank monkey fits into some aspect of this. We were all confused and felt ancient.

oh i feel old as hell. i am an old millenial and i was hanging with a 24 year old the other day and he was dressed like a member of nsync

there’s a guy at my local dispensary that has frosted tips

For the same reason that Gen X gets overlooked any time someone writes an article about "generational conflict": we're outnumbered on either side of the divide.

NPR voices Strauss and Howe wrote various books about generational cohorts, including one about Xers called 13th Gen (as in the 13th generation in U.S. history, IIRC, and also: ominous). This generation, they explained, was savvy and cynical about branding and marketing. So how did you sell to them? (The authors ran a consulting service to help businesses market to specific generational personalities).

Perhaps the battle to win the hearts and wallets of gen X was deemed lost and, out of embarrassment, has disappeared from media commentary. Maybe Xers should see this as a victory! (Strauss and Howe noted that many in this cohort rejected the idea of corresponding to a cohesive generation at all, presumably perceiving the branding logic it supported.)

Spotify just sent me a message inviting me to "Explore how your listening makes you truly unique." Thanks, Spotify!

https://images.fastcompany.net/image/upload/w_1280,f_auto,q_auto,fl_lossy/wp-cms/uploads/2017/07/p-1-ok-soda-ok-cool.jpg

For a while now I've seen most millenial/zoomer cusps hyper-focusing on 1997-2001. I suppose the earlier parts of the 90s returned a bit here and there, but 97-01 has definitely meme'd a lot harder.

NPR voices Strauss and Howe wrote various books about generational cohorts, including one about Xers called 13th Gen (as in the 13th generation in U.S. history, IIRC, and also: ominous).

I found that at a garage sale last weekend and enjoyed the book’s presentation as an artifact of the time—the introductory premise that the book text is being uploaded to an internet message board, all the “hacker” commentary in faux-Macintosh text boxes sprinkled throughout the text, etc.

it's funny to me that when talking about Gen X's cultural legacy is we overlook, say, the Marvel Cinematic Universe

why do you peg that as Gen X?

They're mainly written by, directed and starring xers? Don't do the sic thing on me

is that unusual or distinct among Hollywood film-making rn?

(setting aside Generation X being repeatedly defined in the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s to mean "current teenagers")

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jun/26/raves-from-the-grave-lost-90s-subculture-is-back-in-the-spotlight

It is perhaps one of the most ignored subcultures in modern British history, but rave music and the free party movement of the early 90s is coming back into focus.

Over the next few months, a series of films, exhibitions, memoirs and podcasts will reappraise free parties and the crackdown on them by John Major’s government, as well as their modern echoes.

irl lol at "most ignored subcultures"

Inasmuch there not having been any other subcultures that may be accurate ;-)

hanging out with my partner's (awesome) 11-year-old cousin this weekend and i can tell you that the 90s revival is bigger than you all think. Hot Topic is her favorite store and she was really stoked when we described her look as "mall-goth." she is also trying to get her mom to buy her a bucket hat. no lie.

Because deep down everyone knows the 90s sucked.

Least appealing song on "Encomium: A Tribute to Led Zeppelin"

After being confronted with a list of all the #1 hits from 1990-1999...

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jul/26/bring-it-all-back-why-naff-noughties-pop-is-suddenly-cool-again

really hated this article tbh. It handwaves away the idea that r&b was not pop at the turn of the millenium, which is absolutely not true, but that doesn't fit the flimsy narrative. Also, pop in 1997 was not the same as pop in neither 2000 nor 2003 - especially in Britain - and grouping it all together as if it is feels like lazy listening and analysis.

outside of grunge I'm not sure there was anything culturally impactful enough that happened in the 90's to revive.

I mean we had a presidential impeachment, isn't that enough

the 90s were an incredible golden age for hip hop

there's a bar I visit that's Wu-Tang themed and plays nothing but 90s hip hop.

i love every visit. and it's not just the usual songs either. wide variety.

ooh, how will I know? (don’t trust your feelings)
how will I know?
how will I know? (love can be deceiving)
how will I know?

Techno/house/rave/"""electronica""" too, tho I realize they all began in the 80s

Jungle, drum n bass, garage, Britpop and adjacent indie/rock, loads of hip hop, loads of metal, loads of r'n'b

Technically Grunge began in the late '80s (Deep Six comp, early Sub Pop releases etc.)

I feel like most of this stuff never really went out of style and has been omnipresent since the 90's though so it's hard to revive it. but also maybe I myself am stuck there in the 90s

I've mentioned this before, but about 12 years ago the Houston 'Modern Rock' station was running a TV ad with song/video clips that--aside from the station's frequency and the inclusion of "It's Been Awhile" by Staind*-- was exactly the same as the TV ad they ran in 1996.

*Itself around 10 years old at that point.

it's been awhile
since mumble morple
jeezy beezy boo

XP And several of the clips in the '96 ad were from '91-'94 already.

Also thinking harder about the later ad, there was also a Creed clip from '99/'00.

"culturally impactful" also suggests we could look beyond music. it seems like there were tons of major movies that a lot of people still care about, both at the blockbuster and arthouse level. I wouldn't know where to begin with say, painting and literature. but as far as what a theme restaurant would need for decor - lots of fashion trends, graphic design trends, consumer electronic design trends, infomercial product design trends, wacky short-lived fad products, a couple of key video game generations with associated aesthetics, etc.

Mass use of the internet started in the 90s.

that seems important

though up until fairly recently I've felt like we were in the "long 90s"

part of it is I recently realized that the millennials weren't the first new generation they were the last old one

https://experiencethe90s.com/

part of it is I recently realized that the millennials weren't the first new generation they were the last old one

Oof, truth hurts, especially when I felt so disconnected from gen xers in my youth, but yeah: getting the internet at 12 vs getting it at 22 is not as big of a gap as having the internet from birth vs not.

getting the internet at 12 vs getting it at 22 is not as big of a gap as having the internet from birth vs not.

I think this is definitely true and I can see it with my 13 year old son. The way he experiences movies/tv/music is so completely different from what it was for me. Going from mostly "Tuning in" to mostly "On demand" changes a lot about what you're exposed to.

I feel similar about smartphones. I’m 37 and didn’t have a mobile until my mid-20s, and didn’t have a smart phone until about a decade ago. (My Catholic high school banned them with the reasoning that only drug dealers/scorers would need them, and we could just use the cafeteria payphone to call home for a ride. Not that I knew anyone who had a mobile phone). I regularly just leave it on a desk throughout a weekend and check it once or twice, or don’t even bother to take it to a restaurant or grocery store. Whereas younger people I know consider stepping out without their phone akin to leaving your keys at home. Can’t stand reading or writing on a small phone screen either.

The way he experiences movies/tv/music is so completely different from what it was for me. Going from mostly "Tuning in" to mostly "On demand" changes a lot about what you're exposed to.

I was thinking about that when I was watching an old MST3k episode a bit back. The whole premise of “forced to watch bad movies in space" is just a comic exaggeration of bored late nights when you’d settle for watching a dumb movie because there was nothing else on—but with streaming, you can download or stream nearly any movie or show you like, so boredom like that doesn’t really exist. Ditto dull Saturday afternoons when nothing was on but golf.

yeah my pet generational divide theory is likewise based on whether or not you grew up watching reruns. I spent a decent chunk of my childhood absorbing the mass culture of the 50s-70s (leading to confusions like not realizing stuff like Happy Days was made later), which seems really different from now for better and worse

And hearing "oldies" on the radio. Some ppl age 35+ seem to not believe that younger folks haven't heard certain songs (everyone knows that one!) but if you've never had older music passively fed to you via the radio, it's very possible to miss a lot of "classics". Seems that the on-demand generations only know old music if it was on the Shrek soundtrack or whatever.

On yeah radio too; in fifth grade my bus driver played the oldies station (meaning 1950s/early 60s at that time) every morning so at 10 I knew all kinds of girl group and doo wop and early rock songs by heart. So on the one hand, I grew up on a retrospectively bizarre cultural diet suffused with other people's nostalgia, but on the other hand, I picked up a ton of tacit historical & cultural knowledge that I still find useful.

yeah my pet generational divide theory is likewise based on whether or not you grew up watching reruns. I spent a decent chunk of my childhood absorbing the mass culture of the 50s-70s (leading to confusions like not realizing stuff like Happy Days was made later), which seems really different from now for better and worse

I found this last month and it sent me into a fit of nostalgia for that precise reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXTlC_IUHKE

Seems that the on-demand generations only know old music if it was on the Shrek Grand Theft Auto soundtrack or whatever.

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, July 28, 2021 5:15 PM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't know if this is entirely true. I think a lot of kids are learning about things through Spotify recommendations and stuff.

Yeah or parents/relatives. I mainly based what I said off of YouTube reaction vids.

For movie knowledge/awareness it seems to often come from memes

https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/my2pc9xvv7j.jpeg

Was watching a guy reacting to Raiders of the Lost Ark yesterday (he's been to film school so obv a film lover. Does boggle my mind he's never seen any Indiana Jones!) and he kept losing his shit over how much stuff Uncharted video games took from it

I envy blatherskite's relation to smartphones - I also hate reading the tiny text, writing on the touchpad, etc. but do it nonetheless. I kinda compartimentalise my relation to the internet that way - desktop is where I stream movies, edit my podcast, talk on ILX. Phone is where I doomscroll and get into dumb arguments because I'm bored.

Re: youngster's tastes, the thing is I don't think it's about them getting less knowledge of the past so much as what they do get knowledge of being very random - like there was this young dude on youtube uploading City Pop mixes, and then some day out of nowhere he just posted a 50's Jump Blues mix.

Also at the Talking Pictures TV Podcast we've been doing these online quiz events and the audience of course tends towards older British ppl but there's this teen from Wisconsin who always joins. He has a collection of 40's British actrecesses' autorgraphs and a Carry On Camping mug.

Aware this is an outlier but would still struggle to imagine the kid developing these tastes pre-internet.

ime kids know way more about the pop culture of the past than i did because it’s accessible everywhere! Friends on Netflix ffs.

I wasn't really trying to say kids today are totally ignorant of past pop culture—the only kids I know well enough to anec-data about this are too young for it to apply to, though now that I'm thinking about it, they're not growing up watching Looney Tunes, Jetsons, Flintstones, Scooby Doo, etc. side by side with GI Joe and Transformers like I did.

I was mostly agreeing with this post:

Going from mostly "Tuning in" to mostly "On demand" changes a lot about what you're exposed to.

― silverfish, Wednesday, July 28, 2021 2:50 PM (three days ago)

I don't think Netflix having a handful of prominent older shows compares experientially to the bottomless well of rerun content on 80s basic cable. I could list lots of examples of old shows I saw as a kid that were relatively obscure—does Netflix have stuff like Wings, Caroline in the City, or Grace under Fire? Obviously if your media diet was different growing up this will all sound kind of nuts, but in my view there is far less content "accessible" and even then "accessible" is not the same as "omnipresent." I'm sure there are specialized streaming services that have, say, lots of old Hanna-Barbera cartoons but when I was watching Cartoon Express growing up I had no idea I was watching shows from multiple decades in a single afternoon.

Music I have much less idea about tbh and I think that ties more into the endless boomer nostalgia hangover that was the 80s (on that note, does Netflix have Wonder Years or China Beach? again, I'm not saying this is nec bad, just different)

kids not only have access to the entire recorded output of the 20th century they have access to reaction videos of people watching and listening to it. it’s way too much for anyone to completely take in so yes i think they would draw the line somewhere far in advance of lol china beach. keep in mind that professionally shot broadcast television is just one content type among many for them. the youtube algorithm exposes them to all kinds of things that they’re not intentionally seeking out.

that's a good point: a clear generational divide is I do not use YouTube the way young people do. I am somewhat incredulous that they're using it to watch That Girl, but I could be very wrong!

I'm not sure I ever saw more than a few minutes of lol China Beach, but good lord there was a lot of Vietnam War content growing up in the 80s

Yeah, rando old sitcoms you watch just because they're on seems low priority for the young'ns these days....

But if they want to, Caroline... is on Paramount+, Wings is on Paramount+ AND Hulu, and Grace... is on several services, most prominently Peacock.

Ah, sounds like being in Canada is making me misread the availability angle

I look back fondly on the melange of old and new TV that childhood broadcasting subjected me to, but if YouTube comments teach me anything it’s that people will look back fondly on any old shit so I don’t think I should worry too much about kids today being robbed of anything.

also like... many people still do have cable tv, and if my random channel surfing in hotel rooms is any indication, it's easy enough to find yourself at an episode of F Troop in 2021. inexplicable as that might seem in programming terms.

Yeah but I don’t think many kids are watching cable, are they?

they’re watching historical NBA games and full length t.i. concerts and mini-documentaries about the tallest people to have ever lived. if my house is any indication. it’s just a wealth of accumulated pop cult at their fingertips that would have blown my mind as a child.

kids not only have access to the entire recorded output of the 20th century

lol

why would kids watch bad TV that we only watched because it was the only thing on

It was bad because it was mind-numbing, but minds kind of like to be numb part of the time. And kids can't drink vodka.

XP They're watching Friends, aren't they?

In all seriousness, Rob's list makes me think about how some shows could coast into multiple seasons simply because they were on between Friends and Seinfeld, or Seinfeld and ER. Definitely a lost art of sorts.

Speaking of ER, are there <any> classic TV Dramas that Millennials Stan for? And by 'classic', I mean pre-Sopranos/prestige TV.

hmm. Twin Peaks for sure. and maybe more in the "genre" zone? ST:TNG and DS9, Buffy, etc....? a friend of mine got really into M*A*S*H a couple years ago.

but it's an interesting question. i'm struggling to even think of that many classic TV dramas to start with - they're not on the tip of my tongue like sitcoms. and especially ones with either ongoing storylines, or a manageable overall episode count... feels like those might be important prerequisites for reasons i can't quite spell out.

do mystery shows count as dramas? Murder She Wrote gets a lot of love out there. feel like i've encountered a few other Columbo lovers over the years....

west wing maybe but that’s proto-prestige

as far as dramas go

law and order?

Oh yeah, those mysteries are pretty big. I think Rockford has a growing following too.

And how could I forget the Star Treks and Buffy? Although genre fandom helps in those cases.

I was really thinking about something like ER, which was _HUGE_ in it's time, but seems like you never hear about anymore.

every six weeks another article runs about people discovering Columbo during lockdown #acabec

Writing a piece for NYT Sunday Styles on how people these days present on social media as Columbo (enigmatic, one step ahead, always nails the rich bastard) but live as Rockford (mobile home, broke, beaten up every week)

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) May 8, 2021

I think that people have easier access to all kinds of things and are exposed to more, thanks to the wonders of algorithmic recommendations and the preservation of everything that exists now. But they aren't forced to endure it the same way. If I leave YouTube to autoplay some music videos and something comes on I don't enjoy I simply skip to the next one. And if I don't like that either I can search for something I will enjoy. Whereas, when I was growing up, I only had The Chart Show and TOTP and occasional trips to someone's house where they had The Box. So if I wanted to see music videos I had to take them all as a bundle together - so I could see my then-favourites like Bjork and Garbage, but I also had to sit through dreck like Boyzone. So even though I don't like their music I had a familiarity with it and sense of them. Whereas now I can simply skip past an Ed Sheeran video and remain completely ignorant, beyond knowing I won't enjoy it.

this is very true.

I remember arguing with Ilxors way way back when Top of the Pops got cancelled, saying that TOTP was a communal after-tea experience where, for example, everyone from your Dad, your Nan, your baby brother, would all get a glimpse into what was happening in the current charts, and everyone would have an opinion on, say, Brian Molko whether they cared about the music or not, which I think ties in a bit with what boxedjoy is saying.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/djwp/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/19155915/web_bbdb_EH_DJ-Arts-Beabadoobee_091.jpg

beabadoobee is leading the ’90’s revival

Inspired by the sounds of the late ’80s and early ’90s, beabadoobee cites Elliot Smith, The Moldy Peaches, and The Cardigans as early influences.

https://www.documentjournal.com/2021/04/beabadoobee-is-leading-the-90s-revival/

Obviously there is no way a show like TOTP or The Pepsi Chart would have worked since the mid-00s. Why would you expect the whole family to gather round the TV and sit together when everyone has their own taste and their own device to explore it?

xp: lol.

beabadoobee is excellent and yes she sounds a bit 90's in the same way Wolf Alice sound a bit 90's .

Xp to boxedjoy - that's true but then you could make that case against all TV, not just TOTP

That said, the charts don't seem to mean half as much to people in general as they once did. Do people pay attention to who's number one any more?

the spotify charts are a lot of people’s default playlists

xp: lol.

― peace, man, Monday, August 2, 2021 7:07 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

beabadoobee is excellent and yes she sounds a bit 90's in the same way Wolf Alice sound a bit 90's .

― akm, Monday, August 2, 2021 7:22 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

My lol was more at describing "Elliot Smith, The Moldy Peaches, and The Cardigans" as " late ’80s and early ’90s". Nothing matters.