Star Trek: Picard

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Yeah, I think we need a full thread now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FySrgrKJguE

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 October 2019 21:14 (four years ago) link

yeah, watched this trailer five minutes ago and I haven't stopped crying yet.

methanietanner, Saturday, 5 October 2019 21:50 (four years ago) link

Has it gone? I get "video unavailable".

Ashley Pomeroy, Saturday, 5 October 2019 22:03 (four years ago) link

Nope, it's up -- try reloading. (Also maybe you have to look elsewhere if you're not in the US -- it's showing on Amazon Prime in the UK IIRC.)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 5 October 2019 22:13 (four years ago) link

Okay, that ending got to me more than all the nu-SW sequel reunions. Did not expect that.

Furter-Bursting Tater Squirter (Old Lunch), Saturday, 5 October 2019 22:22 (four years ago) link

How am I going to stay dark until the premiere? These three months are going to be painful!

Doctor Hu (Leee), Saturday, 5 October 2019 23:01 (four years ago) link

Why is (redacted) in Kirk's Nexus house?

wasdnuos (abanana), Sunday, 6 October 2019 01:42 (four years ago) link

It's not like Kirk is using it.

Doctor Hu (Leee), Sunday, 6 October 2019 03:15 (four years ago) link

two months pass...

Apparently the last scheduled Short Trek is going to be a Picard prequel!

Scorsese runs afoul of the Irishman (Leee), Friday, 6 December 2019 23:59 (four years ago) link

The entire 7 seasons of TNG in two minutes!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 7 December 2019 03:58 (four years ago) link

Stuff like this is getting more common. (Amazon renewed their LOTR series and I still don't think they've even filmed anything yet.)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 December 2019 19:49 (four years ago) link

https://youtu.be/ksQg3NG861k

Martialarts Ali (Leee), Sunday, 22 December 2019 17:54 (four years ago) link

one month passes...

Two days!

Siouxie Sioux and the Vanjies (Leee), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 01:48 (four years ago) link

Very much looking forward!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 03:51 (four years ago) link

Stewart will always be Sejanus to me.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 22 January 2020 03:54 (four years ago) link

Wonderful role, one of the last ones I saw of his before TNG started.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 04:49 (four years ago) link

The Children of Mars Short Trek was intriguing

groovypanda, Wednesday, 22 January 2020 08:13 (four years ago) link

Hmm, he said, having seen the first episode. I like it, don't mind the tonal shift in general, but this was definitely a laying-the-grounds episode first and foremost.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 January 2020 02:42 (four years ago) link

Agreed, though I was more let down with the second half of the episode. It felt like it was trying to cram in as many callbacks to TNG as it could to establish its Trek bona fides, so it was mired in the past (even if it's meant to be the leitmotif).

I wonder about Data's poker hand, though.

If the thing is pressed I think that Leee will surrender (Leee), Friday, 24 January 2020 18:09 (four years ago) link

how well do you have to remember TNG? I haven't seen the later seasons since they aired

rob, Friday, 24 January 2020 18:10 (four years ago) link

I think that the callbacks are explained to make it easy on new/casual viewers, which may be why I thought it was slow.

If the thing is pressed I think that Leee will surrender (Leee), Friday, 24 January 2020 18:16 (four years ago) link

yeah i didnt find it too heavy going, and i couldnt even tell you the last episode of TNG i watched

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 January 2020 18:40 (four years ago) link

I was only a casual TNG viewer but could comfortably follow what was going on xps

groovypanda, Friday, 24 January 2020 23:15 (four years ago) link

If you really want a refresher, judging from what we saw in the premiere, you could watch these (avert yer eyes if you don't want the SPOILERS):

The Measure of a Man
The Offspring
Inheritance

If the thing is pressed I think that Leee will surrender (Leee), Friday, 24 January 2020 23:34 (four years ago) link

Thanks y’all. Might be fun to watch a few old eps

rob, Friday, 24 January 2020 23:45 (four years ago) link

how's he gonna do it this time drinking DECAF

tomorrow, Saturday, 25 January 2020 15:56 (four years ago) link

earl grey with no milk is the beverage of a sociopath

it’s highly disturbing

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 January 2020 18:30 (four years ago) link

always bothered me

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 January 2020 18:30 (four years ago) link

that's how i always drink it

j., Saturday, 25 January 2020 19:09 (four years ago) link

you = also a monster

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 January 2020 19:22 (four years ago) link

it was our DUTY

j., Saturday, 25 January 2020 19:23 (four years ago) link

earl grey with no milk is the beverage of a sociopath

Eek, I’m married to a sociopath. She takes lemon.

Dan Worsley, Sunday, 26 January 2020 09:48 (four years ago) link

I always thought it was strange that Picard with his French history and English accent would require to specify that the tea was "hot", like if he didn't say so, the computer would respond "do you mean hot tea... or iced tea" in a thick American drawl

Should I watch this? All I heard was that the first episode greatly resembled a certain early S4 episode

Montegays and Capulez (flamboyant goon tie included), Sunday, 26 January 2020 15:47 (four years ago) link

how well do you have to remember TNG?

My understanding is that Picard takes place in the Kelvin timeline of the J.J. Abrams/Alex Kurtzman films and ST:Discovery. Real life licencing legal battles have severed the Kelvin timeline from the E/OG/TNG/DS9/V timeline. So none of the events of 1965-2003 Star Trek occurred in Picard, at least not in the same way.

Picard is perhaps an examination of how different histories change character. Or a vanity project about Patrick Stewart's real life political concerns produced to maintain Viacom's IP.

Darth Bambi (Sanpaku), Sunday, 26 January 2020 16:46 (four years ago) link

My understanding is that Picard takes place in the Kelvin timeline of the J.J. Abrams/Alex Kurtzman films and ST:Discovery.

Wait, aren't these two different timelines entirely?

Kelvin timeline starts with a movie where OG Spock comes in from the 'real' timeline, following the destruction of Romulus. I was under the impression said 'real' timeline is both the timeline of Discovery and Picard, while the Kelvin timeline is just the three nu-Trek movies and any directly associated spinoff media.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:04 (four years ago) link

I always thought it was strange that Picard with his French history and English accent would require to specify that the tea was "hot"

it is a character note, so you remember his commanding aura

j., Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link

Picard is in the Prime timeline: https://www.gamesradar.com/star-trek-picard-timeline-explained-alex-kurtzman/

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Sunday, 26 January 2020 17:52 (four years ago) link

I always figured since the replicator fabricates a cup of tea that never needed steeping, it’d give you the most instantly drinkable temperature by default. By specifying “hot,” Picard wants the experience of fresh-steeped tea that must be carefully sipped.

babu frik fan account (mh), Sunday, 26 January 2020 18:29 (four years ago) link

Yeah I guess that makes sense. I just got in my head an idea for a Hitchhiker/TNG spin-off. “Tea. Earl Grey. Hot.” “Share and enjoy!” Data reads Vogon poetry to Spot. Fenchurch teaches Worf to fly and they have an aerial affair. Zaphod becomes assimilated. Deep Thought revises its answer to “Kill Wesley”, with tragic results

Montegays and Capulez (flamboyant goon tie included), Sunday, 26 January 2020 19:51 (four years ago) link

I reserve the right to judge the timeline by counting lens flares.

Darth Bambi (Sanpaku), Sunday, 26 January 2020 20:00 (four years ago) link

mh, yr no-prize is in the mail

chapoquidditch (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 26 January 2020 20:05 (four years ago) link

I reserve the right to judge the timeline by counting lens flares.

fair

mookieproof, Sunday, 26 January 2020 20:54 (four years ago) link

This was pretty ok!

I like the vibe so far - kind of Raymond Chandler in space, with Picard as the dishevelled ‘tec, stumbling from encounter to encounter, endangering his friends and getting lightly beaten up in the process.

I like Pill. The twin and the weirdly accented handsome on the cube ship were... less good.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 27 January 2020 01:14 (four years ago) link

This was okay, I liked that it had the more relaxed tempo of the '80s/'90s series instead of the more modern/actiony vibe of Discovery. I still think it was silly that they had to bring back Brent Spiner for fanservice though, as even the digital manipulation and choice of angles couldn't hide the fact he'd become chubbier and his face had changed with age. I guess his two scenes being dreams made it a bit easier to digest, but still... IIRC it was Spiner himself who wanted Data to die in the TNG movies, as it was obvious he couldn't be playing an ageless android for decades. Well, this episode proves he was right, and his presence here was really superfluous, they could've done the same plot with using only footage from TNG or something.

Tuomas, Monday, 27 January 2020 07:56 (four years ago) link

Also, the references to "The Offpsring" here made me at first excited and then disappointed. Because after seeing that episode, I always wondered why Data wouldn't try to create another daughter after Lal... Obviously losing her was traumatic to him, but in real life people still have kids after losing one, and you'd think traumatic loss wouldn't affect Data to the same extent as with humans? So when they first implied Dahj was his daughter, I was like, cool, he did build another child after all! But then it was revealed Dahj/Soji were only made after Data's death, so the question of why he never wanted another offspring remains. I get it that they didn't want to tie this series too much into old episodes of TNG, but on the other hand, the Picard wouldn't even exist if people weren't nostalgic for that series. So I do hope the following episodes will have some deeper connections to the lore than just fanservicey appearances of TNG actors.

Tuomas, Monday, 27 January 2020 08:06 (four years ago) link

deeper connections to the lore

i see what u did

mookieproof, Monday, 27 January 2020 09:12 (four years ago) link

Haha, that was actually unintentional!

They did seem to refer to Data/Lore with Allison Pill's weird comment about how androids are always made in pairs... Which I don't recall ever being a thing in TNG, IIRC the Soongs built Data to improve on Lore, not because there was some weird rule that you have to build two?

Tuomas, Monday, 27 January 2020 09:45 (four years ago) link

pill seemed to be implying that there was a biological reason for having to grow/build two at once, the ones in question being indistinguishable from human beings down to some level or something

j., Monday, 27 January 2020 10:01 (four years ago) link

Maybe yeah, but it was still a weird comment, because she didn't explain what the reason for building them in pairs was, she just stated it like it was an obvious thing.

Tuomas, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:05 (four years ago) link

if i cared enough, maybe i'd go back and see if it made sense how pill started with 'short answer, impossible; long answer, still impossible' and ended up with 'hey, maybe there's two of them'. also seems bad that a dozen romulan assassins can beam onto the roof of starfleet hq undetected, and the mom's ~slip-up~ mentioning picard was really ham-handed. it's fine, still liked it

mookieproof, Monday, 27 January 2020 15:55 (four years ago) link

Also, the references to "The Offpsring" here made me at first excited and then disappointed. Because after seeing that episode, I always wondered why Data wouldn't try to create another daughter after Lal... Obviously losing her was traumatic to him, but in real life people still have kids after losing one, and you'd think traumatic loss wouldn't affect Data to the same extent as with humans?

Data got into serious trouble with SF for creating Lal and only avoided punishment because of what ultimately happened to her. And he probably felt that unless he was able to create another android with better odds of survival, he wasn't going to try again.

Also, there's a quick line where Dr. Jurati surmises that the twins were created by Maddox. Don't know if that's meant to throw us off the trail, though.

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Monday, 27 January 2020 18:08 (four years ago) link

Data got into serious trouble with SF for creating Lal

I like how this can mean Starfleet, San Francisco or science fiction, and they all more or less work.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 January 2020 18:41 (four years ago) link

I love the costumes in this so much

Montegays and Capulez (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:21 (four years ago) link

earl grey with no milk is the beverage of a sociopath

it’s highly disturbing

― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:30 AM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

earl grey with no milk is delightful

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:42 (four years ago) link

in fact i don't like it with milk tbh

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:42 (four years ago) link

I really enjoyed this even though 'you can't make new androids without Data/but just a single neuron would do/oh they come in pairs' was all rather convenient - I know TNG was all about the handwavey pseudoscience but unlike Discovery it never fully jettisoned logic just to tell a cool story bro. I hope this doesn't end up going that route.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Monday, 27 January 2020 21:43 (four years ago) link

I was a bit thrown when the librarian said "the painting is called... Dodger!" - I had thought the girl was called Dahj but maybe it was Dahja, I mused. It later became clear. Rewatched, still sounds like that.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 11:51 (four years ago) link

I spent about ten minutes assuming that this meant that Dahja was Picard's daughter

Montegays and Capulez (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 13:10 (four years ago) link

all the tea is upsetting me, tea is horrible and shd not be depicted on-screen

mark s, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 21:42 (four years ago) link

lol yeah! tea is just some foul aberration for when you've run out of coffee!

calzino, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 21:44 (four years ago) link

Kathryn Janeway otm

calzino, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 21:46 (four years ago) link

Now THAT was more like it.

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Saturday, 1 February 2020 21:05 (four years ago) link

I think just having a sassy, overqualified Romulan housekeeper question Picard about having all his marbles is all I need to be happy. Though more seriously, it's nice to see that things aren't going to be easy for JL and that other characters are allowed to have their own agendas and personalities.

I'm sure that Starfleet is thrilled about that living arrangement -- and I kind of wonder if some SF intelligence officer thinks that Picard's Romulan friends have turned him.

Also I really liked the Vulcan(?) Commodore.

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Saturday, 1 February 2020 22:35 (four years ago) link

I was a bit confused, was she supposed to be Vulcan or Romulan? Because her mannerisms and the fact that she's running the Federation's secret police (presumably built on the foundation of Section 31?) implied she's Romulan, but OTOH there's no indication the Romulan Free State (or whatever it's called) has joined the Federation.

Tuomas, Sunday, 2 February 2020 11:38 (four years ago) link

One, i think she's more specifically intelligence, not Section 31, since she wears gold (ops/security).

Two, I think she's meant to be or pass as Vulcan, since the first thing we see of her is a box with the IDIC insignia, and her stilted speech sounded more Vulcan to me.

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Sunday, 2 February 2020 16:52 (four years ago) link

Pretty sure she's Vulcan

groovypanda, Sunday, 2 February 2020 17:03 (four years ago) link

Sorry, mean Romulan

groovypanda, Sunday, 2 February 2020 17:04 (four years ago) link

Arrgh, fucksake, thought you were on about Laris.

Oh is Romulan pretending to be Vulcan.

groovypanda, Sunday, 2 February 2020 17:11 (four years ago) link

important critical observation: lol data's terrible painting

mark s, Sunday, 2 February 2020 18:22 (four years ago) link

lol, proof that having an IQ of 6million maketh not Egon Schiele

calzino, Sunday, 2 February 2020 18:48 (four years ago) link

you'd thought at least he would have been capable of doing a super-humanoid pastiche of a good painting!

calzino, Sunday, 2 February 2020 18:50 (four years ago) link

folks, this show is good and i like it, even if narek looks like he should be playing guitar in romulan razorlight instead of doing dick-first spycraft in a decommissioned borg cube

it pleases me that it is now canon that there is a space dublin

the main character Cooly and his fart attack (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 February 2020 11:02 (four years ago) link

all paintings in TV shows are terrible and doubly so when they're representational

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 05:15 (four years ago) link

good arm patches

j., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 05:34 (four years ago) link

My biggest problem w Narek that the dude has a full head of glossy black emo hair & then that NASTY brown facial hair that looks like pube trimmings

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 05:50 (four years ago) link

since i'm watching ds9 rn too it's really noticeable how the aliens have hairstyles in this. any deep space 9 alien species with hair all has the same gross boring hair, no personality.

j., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 05:52 (four years ago) link

xp I feel personally attacked

caucus fricked iowa account (mh), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 16:36 (four years ago) link

i thought we had a thread abt paintings in movies but if we do i can't find it -- i don't think it's as cut and dried, as ALL ARE BAD, tho representative ones are all bad (and always look as if they've been painted by the same person as well)

mark s, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 17:36 (four years ago) link

Do you mean paintings created for movies? Or would Solaris count?

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:15 (four years ago) link

TV show paintings are always bad. Movie paintings vary but if they are part of the plot they are always bad paintings.

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:18 (four years ago) link

The case could be made that I need to watch better movies though.

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:23 (four years ago) link

ok this topic deserves its own thread, if one does not exist

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:01 (four years ago) link

o shit take my money

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:03 (four years ago) link

Is that Harvey? Why is he wearing a belt without pants?!

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:11 (four years ago) link

pooka pig style

mark s, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:16 (four years ago) link

new ep is really good, lotta good threads in this story. Also partly for DS9 reasons i love how Picard’s pleading his case hither & yon mostly to ppl who tell him to rack off

(the new pilot dude w the hologram is HOTT)

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 February 2020 06:47 (four years ago) link

the actress playing raffi is a fucking nightmare, truly atrocious acting even by star trek standards. on the level of the twi'lek lady from the jailbreak mandalorian episode.

adam, Friday, 7 February 2020 12:00 (four years ago) link

that's michelle hurd

j., Friday, 7 February 2020 16:34 (four years ago) link

someone just informed me that there's swearing on this show and I lol'd

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 February 2020 16:39 (four years ago) link

they solved poverty but not swearing

j., Friday, 7 February 2020 16:47 (four years ago) link

fuckin’ HUGH ffs

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:44 (four years ago) link

i love to see it

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 7 February 2020 20:44 (four years ago) link

inequality still exists because HOW’S LIFE ON YOUR VINEYARD, PICARD?!

caucus fricked iowa account (mh), Friday, 7 February 2020 22:16 (four years ago) link

new ep is really good, lotta good threads in this story.

feels too heavy on exposition, for three episodes in

j., Saturday, 8 February 2020 04:52 (four years ago) link

more bad painting, less voluminous backstory

mark s, Saturday, 8 February 2020 20:26 (four years ago) link

oh lordy where's this accent meant to be from

mark s, Saturday, 8 February 2020 20:39 (four years ago) link

the accent is, i concede, bad

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 8 February 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link

but hugh tho

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 8 February 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link

a thing we know abt the star trek universe is that they exterminated the belters and suppressed their much better way of speaking weirdly

also: enigmas assemble! was a bit of a trudge

mark s, Saturday, 8 February 2020 21:09 (four years ago) link

kind of wish they'd get the team together already and get this show on the space road

caucus fricked iowa account (mh), Saturday, 8 February 2020 21:46 (four years ago) link

displeased vaping still exists in 24th century.

Philip Nunez, Saturday, 8 February 2020 21:47 (four years ago) link

i enjoyed the injoke of raffi living at the foot of vasquez rocks, where kirk famously fought the gorn (and evil bill and ted totally murdered good bill and ted)

also: HUGH ffs

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 8 February 2020 22:08 (four years ago) link

not sure that raffi is a worse actress than the synth twins

feel like nothing really happened in this one; also disappointed that orla brady is being left behind

btw was there supposed to be a lil romulan incest thing going on?

mookieproof, Saturday, 8 February 2020 23:27 (four years ago) link

in other disappointments news: my "pooka pig style" post didn't get the rave response it deserved

mark s, Saturday, 8 February 2020 23:31 (four years ago) link

displeased vaping still exists in 24th century.

Beat me to it.

feel like nothing really happened in this one; also disappointed that orla brady is being left behind

Times two.

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Sunday, 9 February 2020 01:50 (four years ago) link

It's almost touching that they've carried over the odd-numbered curse to this series.

Food for thought: synthetic life (i.e. androids) are banned, but AI holograms are OK?

I was kind of annoyed that Rios's ship is as skeleton as it gets (I guess that'w what the EHs are for) but surely having two former Tal Shiar would be beneficial?

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Sunday, 9 February 2020 02:12 (four years ago) link

Rios's ship is as skeleton as it gets

except that it seems huge and empty

mookieproof, Sunday, 9 February 2020 05:32 (four years ago) link

Dammit I meant crew. As in there are none. (Holograms don't count.)

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Sunday, 9 February 2020 18:28 (four years ago) link

but there are so many of them!

caucus fricked iowa account (mh), Sunday, 9 February 2020 19:13 (four years ago) link

lol at the borg guy being like "You're kind of a know-it-all, aren't you?"

and is Rios romantically involved with his hologram?

Dan I., Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:04 (four years ago) link

hey it’s sex with someone he loves amirite

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:33 (four years ago) link

(credit w**dy all*n obv)

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:33 (four years ago) link

I’m anxious for Pikard’s recipe for a coffee cake

| (Latham Green), Sunday, 9 February 2020 21:34 (four years ago) link

probably makes it with earl grey like the sociopath he is

groovypanda, Sunday, 9 February 2020 22:05 (four years ago) link

go easy

| (Latham Green), Monday, 10 February 2020 20:00 (four years ago) link

Okay tonight was awesome. And next week's looks INSANE.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 February 2020 03:24 (four years ago) link

btw was there supposed to be a lil romulan incest thing going on?

mookieproof, Friday, 14 February 2020 03:25 (four years ago) link

Game of Romulan Thrones

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 February 2020 04:02 (four years ago) link

if picard really liked children the satirical-historical romp through the absurdities of 17th century france that he brought them as a present would be the one written by data IMO

mark s, Friday, 14 February 2020 20:51 (four years ago) link

its called BUNS BUNS BUNS iirc

mark s, Friday, 14 February 2020 20:54 (four years ago) link

over/under on number of different rios holograms?

mookieproof, Friday, 14 February 2020 20:57 (four years ago) link

the shard of glass or whatever that tumbles through the opening credits - is it the same shape as the (as yet unexplained) metal shard that rios has embedded in his shoulder in his first scene or am i nuts

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 14 February 2020 21:05 (four years ago) link

"captain we need to get you out of there!"
"no i have several very long scenes of excruciatingly tiresome face-to-face exposition! picard out!"

mark s, Friday, 14 February 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link

I can't remember, is there any indication in TNG that Picard had a brain anomaly before he was Locutus? I keep thinking that something is going to come of that

mh, Friday, 14 February 2020 21:13 (four years ago) link

over/under on number of different rios holograms?


are we sure that rios himself isn’t a hologram

also how come holograms are okay but synthetics are verboten

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 14 February 2020 21:14 (four years ago) link

hologram can't pick up a laser gun and start blastin

Dan I., Friday, 14 February 2020 21:20 (four years ago) link

or wait, can they? how do holodeck physics work in star trek world anyway?

Dan I., Friday, 14 February 2020 21:21 (four years ago) link

they have hard light holograms like the Voyager doctor

mh, Friday, 14 February 2020 21:22 (four years ago) link

I can't remember, is there any indication in TNG that Picard had a brain anomaly before he was Locutus? I keep thinking that something is going to come of that


something is definitely going to come of this

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 14 February 2020 21:26 (four years ago) link

also: enigmas assemble! was a bit of a trudge

― mark s, Saturday, 8 February 2020 21:09 (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink

ffs

mark s, Friday, 14 February 2020 21:29 (four years ago) link

Mr Veg and I are loving the repeated occurences of Picard visiting old haunts or acquaintances & being all “Hey it’s me, your old friend!” and literally everyone to a person is like “FUCK YOU!” *throws rotten fruit*
Dude’s about as popular as Gallagher

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 15 February 2020 21:38 (four years ago) link

Even-numbered episode theory still holding!

they have hard light holograms like the Voyager doctor

It's basically holodeck technology outside of a holodeck.

Best GOT pun I've seen so far is Romulannisters.

The dog fight at the end was confusing because I wasn't sure which was Rios's ship!

rmde @ JL castigating Elrond for killing that Romulan when JL was the one provoking a fight.

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Sunday, 16 February 2020 00:06 (four years ago) link

I want to like this so much, but I don't really know what's going on, and it's boring. Sliding around on a Borg cube in your socks? No. That's not a thing.

trishyb, Sunday, 16 February 2020 00:57 (four years ago) link

Picturing Picard doing the Risky Business bit.

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Sunday, 16 February 2020 01:53 (four years ago) link

the return of 7 of 9 should be good, but it wasn't dignified and quite bodged. i don't expect her to say that old maverick pilot *classic* "you owe me a ship, Picard" that is a Lieutenant Starbuck type line!

calzino, Sunday, 16 February 2020 02:12 (four years ago) link

it is absolutely absurd that anyone would call him 'JL'

mookieproof, Sunday, 16 February 2020 02:33 (four years ago) link

including you, leee!

mookieproof, Sunday, 16 February 2020 02:34 (four years ago) link

The difference with me is that I used it ironically! Agreed that it is awful all the same.

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Sunday, 16 February 2020 08:10 (four years ago) link

Yeah, I hate that as a touch. It's so Poochie.

trishyb, Sunday, 16 February 2020 10:59 (four years ago) link

Yeah it’s too familiar & informal. I dislike it immensely

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 16 February 2020 15:51 (four years ago) link

"Please, it's pronounced 'Juul.'"

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 February 2020 16:24 (four years ago) link

I don’t know, I’m really enjoying the klutzy, rambling pace, it makes the show seem more like comfort food to me, which is what I want from a trek show

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 16 February 2020 17:54 (four years ago) link

I can imagine being called JL initially irritated Picard and that was part of their dynamic when they got along.

mh, Sunday, 16 February 2020 18:01 (four years ago) link

The music is really weird and intrusive and makes this feel like a modern BBC show like Sherlock

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 16 February 2020 23:11 (four years ago) link

Sliding around on a Borg cube in your socks? No. That's not a thing.

When that bit happened my bf got a disgusted look on his face and muted the loud, overweening Titanic-romance music that started playing. BLEUGH what was the point of that scene. We get it, he's playing her.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 17 February 2020 05:48 (four years ago) link

But I'm enjoying this otherwise. I liked Seven's entrance, especially her falling down dizzily after she said it.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 17 February 2020 05:49 (four years ago) link

that scene was important to establish that there are still socks in the 24th century and it will pay off later in the show, possibly to universe-saving effect

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 17 February 2020 06:37 (four years ago) link

Socks: check.
Zippers: GTFO.

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Monday, 17 February 2020 18:25 (four years ago) link

Narek is the worst

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 17 February 2020 19:00 (four years ago) link

i thought that too but then there was that scene with his horny sister and now she is the worst

adam, Monday, 17 February 2020 20:53 (four years ago) link

I want to give Narek a fucking shower, he looks blegh.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 17 February 2020 22:21 (four years ago) link

*sets fire to own brain*

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 17 February 2020 22:27 (four years ago) link

I share this important report.

#Picard is a tv show this is my report about it

it has many themes, such as the following pic.twitter.com/VnOVL5TqGU

— Anthony Oliveira (@meakoopa) February 18, 2020

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 03:16 (four years ago) link

Yeah, as much as the Han Solo McTerrible-Accents guy annoys me, he is super hot.

trishyb, Tuesday, 18 February 2020 12:19 (four years ago) link

picard's undercover werner herzog impression is, like this show as a whole, bad

adam, Friday, 21 February 2020 02:22 (four years ago) link

I thought he was sounding like a bad French stereotype, not a German one? Need to relisten

mh, Friday, 21 February 2020 02:44 (four years ago) link

he was going for french and landed on herzog-in-jack-reacher imo

adam, Friday, 21 February 2020 10:48 (four years ago) link

lol tranya

mookieproof, Friday, 21 February 2020 14:07 (four years ago) link

honh honh honh I have ze borg!

mh, Friday, 21 February 2020 15:41 (four years ago) link

that was a really bizarre episode. parts of it were laughably bad - the lizard guy with the keen sense of smell seemed like he wandered in from The Orville

and no idea what they were thinking with Picard's accent unless it was some sort of Holy Grail/Pink Panther tribute

groovypanda, Friday, 21 February 2020 22:35 (four years ago) link

that lady had a pretty bad security system

mookieproof, Friday, 21 February 2020 22:40 (four years ago) link

anyway this episode was Good because it was narek-and-twinless and with luck we've fulfilled our raffi backstory requirement

mookieproof, Friday, 21 February 2020 22:45 (four years ago) link

do we see the painting again

mark s, Friday, 21 February 2020 23:56 (four years ago) link

the painting . . . lives

mookieproof, Saturday, 22 February 2020 00:14 (four years ago) link

Prior art:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ewVNIvKBh0

Philip Nunez, Saturday, 22 February 2020 00:22 (four years ago) link

the painting was pretty good if you stack it up against Data’s other artistic pursuits imo

mh, Saturday, 22 February 2020 01:39 (four years ago) link

that lady had a pretty bad security system

you mean vajayzle?

Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 22 February 2020 06:42 (four years ago) link

"once zey get ze borg inside zem zey are never going back"

:0

mark s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:33 (four years ago) link

omg this is the slowest-paced nonsense i've ever watched and i've seen wavelength

mark s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:41 (four years ago) link

So... this is baf?

Οὖτις, Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:43 (four years ago) link

Bad!

Οὖτις, Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:43 (four years ago) link

gotta feel bad for brian brophy, who has now costarred as dr bruce maddox in both one of the greatest hours of television ever broadcast and whatever this pantomime nonsense was

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:46 (four years ago) link

it is both bad not good and good not bad imo

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:47 (four years ago) link

baf not goof

mark s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:48 (four years ago) link

baffe growing vpon the measure of a man

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:51 (four years ago) link

counterpoint: it’s nonsense and weird and a missed opportunity, but I’ve enjoyed every episode

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:08 (four years ago) link

im still watching it but it's SO SLOW

mark s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:14 (four years ago) link

wow bizarro

flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:33 (four years ago) link

hes a genius but dont tell him i said

mark s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link

i think it’s pretty good but what do i know

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 22 February 2020 19:57 (four years ago) link

last ep was pure fetch quest, didn't advance the story (except for the last two minutes), dispensed with characters and locations we'd been led to expect more from, indulged in shallow world building, and was basically lacking in action, excitement, intrigue, moral dilemmas, blah blah. sorry but that's just how i feel. will keep watching.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:04 (four years ago) link

tfw acclaim for yr genius finally arrives but it hinges on arcane knowledge of not just star trek but also one thread on one specific web forum’s one hidden board :/

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:05 (four years ago) link

i’m enjoying the show a fair bit despite its flaws and weird pacing but i think if you’re not already invested in picard as a character it’s probably not got a huge amount to offer

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:08 (four years ago) link

you mean vajayzle?

Aaraghh I was going to make this joke!

I thought this was a terribly written and executed episode, I think they wanted to go for a TOS-style goofiness with the stuff on Freecloud but at the same time bookend it with NOT YER GRANNY'S TREK cynicism and grossout dismemberment while also peppering with bad backstory and throwaway lines from useless appendages (sorry Elrond).

BTW they recast Maddox, who is now played by Jordan Peterson.

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:15 (four years ago) link

Oh the exposition in the beginning (Raffi and Rios talking about ex-Borgs) was shamefully clumsy. "Oh how ever did I forget that Picard used to be a Borg, oh ho ho!"

I'm not sure how I feel about the Mr. Mot and Quark "cameos."

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:18 (four years ago) link

"once zey get ze borg inside zem zey are never going back"

:0

― mark s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 18:33 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

feel we're not paying enough attention to this very remarkable line :( :( :(

mark s, Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:29 (four years ago) link

BTW they recast Maddox, who is now played by Jordan Peterson.


brian brophy: OFF THE HOOK

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:55 (four years ago) link

"once zey get ze borg inside zem zey are never going back"

:0

I would love to hear Eric Cantona read this line.

trishyb, Monday, 24 February 2020 10:06 (four years ago) link

Yeah I was enjoying this but that last episode was arse.
The guy Vajayzle (lol) butchered - that was the kid from last season Voyager, right? The other rescued borg kid?
- why didnt they use the same actor for him?
- ditto Bruce Maddox?
- why is this storyline so disjointed? I am struggling to follow it, there are competing motivations flying all over the place and somehow it makes it feel too rapid-paced and yet getting nowhere all at once.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 00:37 (four years ago) link

BTW I have no problem with the violence/gore in the show and all the purists wailing "this is a UTOPIA not a DYSTOPIA" I shrug at, but... yeah this feels rushed and clumsy all over somehow.

Maybe Stewart spent too long on shows like Blunt Talk and thinks he's funnier now ;)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 00:39 (four years ago) link

Oh and some things I noticed:
- the comment "whats her name, something like... 99, or 11?" - assming that was a bit of a clumsy lol ref to 99 from get smart, and 11 from stranger things?
- them having to kick and punch away all the holo spam in the ship. I feel like they ripped that wholesale off a scene in Futurama when they all go into the "Internet".

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 00:56 (four years ago) link

I feel like they ripped that wholesale off a scene in Futurama

lol

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 03:12 (four years ago) link

Oh chut up :P

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 04:57 (four years ago) link

"they don't change! they metastasize!"

mark s, Saturday, 29 February 2020 19:19 (four years ago) link

all the young ppl running and jlp wobbling along behind :|

mark s, Saturday, 29 February 2020 20:09 (four years ago) link

What did you think of the painting in this week's episode?

Honestly, Soji should've known that something was wrong with her, because what adult decorates their rooms with their own childhood drawings?

I have a feeling that many viewers wouldn't mind Elrond in-butting them, amirite?

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Saturday, 29 February 2020 20:12 (four years ago) link

wait i missed the painting! i was making supper and not paying full attention all the time

mark s, Saturday, 29 February 2020 20:14 (four years ago) link

all the young ppl running and jlp wobbling along behind :|

― mark s

with his violin

i feel like recasting this character as jonathan frakes was a good idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F-aZVcG-jM

Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 29 February 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link

given how slooooooow the action still is, it was very lucky that the big encounter came in exactly the right 90 seconds to enable a way out

also lol this ep had several bodged echoes of firefly and serenity (which for my sins i know much better than TNG)

mark s, Saturday, 29 February 2020 20:25 (four years ago) link

https://imgur.com/0ySDGO5

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Saturday, 29 February 2020 21:20 (four years ago) link

I am so bored by this show now. If they don't bring on new writers for season two and improve it massively, I won't bother with it.

trishyb, Saturday, 29 February 2020 23:06 (four years ago) link

I think I’m done with it.

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Sunday, 1 March 2020 14:32 (four years ago) link

what this tale needs more of: "the fabric is ripped you jean luc picard motherfuckers"

mark s, Sunday, 1 March 2020 18:25 (four years ago) link

As a Tolkienian Trekkie this makes me very happy and it cannot be an accident. #StarTrekPicard pic.twitter.com/spMERFQ6SP

— Sara for Warren 2020 👊🏻 (@SaraMichener) March 1, 2020

Feminism-Appropriating Regressive Transphobe (Leee), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 01:27 (four years ago) link

<3

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 3 March 2020 07:01 (four years ago) link

Riker in his pizza ranch >>> Kirk in his Nexus ranch

stet, Saturday, 7 March 2020 00:40 (four years ago) link

Mr Veg and I got into the *dumbest* argument about Riker’s pizza oven that ended with him texting me a still from the episode to prove he was right. 🤓

I still am enjoying this show btw. I dont mind the slow pacing, there’s just something about that is really kinda nice

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 March 2020 03:39 (four years ago) link

why is this how she finds out, old man, you need yr shiny head slappin

mark s, Saturday, 7 March 2020 19:55 (four years ago) link

picard is solving galactic politics by visiting everyone's house one by one

mark s, Saturday, 7 March 2020 19:57 (four years ago) link

things data wanted:
a) datadaughter feat.mucus
b) be worst painter

mark s, Saturday, 7 March 2020 20:08 (four years ago) link

the telltale Data head tilt

mh, Saturday, 7 March 2020 20:15 (four years ago) link

he's in her dna apparently

mark s, Saturday, 7 March 2020 20:16 (four years ago) link

Poor Marina Sirtis, after nearly 30 years she still can't get dialogue that isn't cringeworthy.

Picard's characterization is really weird! Maybe it's a function of being out of circulation for so long but in his TNG days he would never resort to mockery and sarcasm with someone who was suffering from severe self-doubt, not for cheap lolz. And of course his clapping after Raffi's performance was sooo corny, and not in a TNG way.

Feminism-Appropriating Regressive Transphobe (Leee), Saturday, 7 March 2020 22:13 (four years ago) link

And yes I remember that Picard from season 1-2 was a dick but we all try to forget that.

Anyway: https://www.startrek.com/videos/watch-how-to-make-bunnicorn-pizza-from-star-trek-picard

Feminism-Appropriating Regressive Transphobe (Leee), Saturday, 7 March 2020 22:27 (four years ago) link

Caught up with the last two episodes last night...I mean, I'm all about hanging out in rustic California locations because that's where most of the series have filmed on location anyway, but would chill over pizza anytime with that crew. There's definitely an odd choppiness in the editing, though; I almost wonder if they wouldn't've been better off just having the other stuff be at the start and end of the episode and otherwise just relaxed on Nepenthe. Actress who played the daughter (Kestra?) pretty solid, that's classic awkward/friendly stuff.

Building off of that Tolkien name tweet, BIG subplot all about subcreation, conlang etc. there with the dead son's interests.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 March 2020 17:26 (four years ago) link

in that case i desire dragons with a profound desire

mark s, Sunday, 8 March 2020 17:28 (four years ago) link

So you're the guy.

Also just stumbled on a reminder as to why Kestra is named Kestra -- that's the name of Troi's sister who drowned as a young girl, as retold in a season seven TNG episode.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 March 2020 17:42 (four years ago) link

my takeaway from the most recent ep is that much as JLP can be annoying, riker is still much more annoying

mark s, Sunday, 8 March 2020 17:59 (four years ago) link

Nothing has changed then

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 8 March 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link

lol/yikes at the head tilt thing

mookieproof, Sunday, 8 March 2020 22:33 (four years ago) link

I watched the first 4 episodes and I didn't like anything. I think I'm done.

wasdnuos (abanana), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 06:24 (four years ago) link

even in a cabin in the middle of the woods, they managed to squeeze in a "shields up! red alert!" scene for riker.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 17:40 (four years ago) link

Yeah, I've been mostly happy with Picard in that it hasn't reverted to pandering to people nostalgic for TNG (I'm a fan of it too, but couldn't care less about this kind of fanservice), but they finally caved in and did a full episode of it. If it wasn't for Troi and Riker's kid, who was pretty awesome, and her interactions with Soji, this episode would've been completely pointless. Let's just hope this was the last bit of fanservice they had in store and now they can focus on the actual main plot of the series, which still seems pretty interesting, as slow-moving as it is.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 07:23 (four years ago) link

not too clear on how our heroes suddenly and magically realized the entire plot, but i guess some stuff happened

liked the octonary star system idea

mookieproof, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:49 (four years ago) link

"unknown dark power shows up when you do <X>" is kind of like first contact, but is a lot more like the later Expanse books

mh, Friday, 13 March 2020 16:42 (four years ago) link

a bit cixin liu too

mookieproof, Friday, 13 March 2020 17:15 (four years ago) link

i'm only three episodes in and I find this kind of a warm and comfortable sweater of a show, but it's weird how much the interiors just look like CB2.

akm, Friday, 13 March 2020 17:53 (four years ago) link

which I guess is maybe better than 'all the interiors look like a modern dentist office' of TNG

akm, Friday, 13 March 2020 17:54 (four years ago) link

"what you are about to endure will drive some of you mad"

*viewers nod glumly*

mark s, Friday, 13 March 2020 21:31 (four years ago) link

a cool thing is that the hologram can do every possible accent!

a less cool thing is that the actor playing the hologra

mark s, Friday, 13 March 2020 22:26 (four years ago) link

i ken

mookieproof, Friday, 13 March 2020 22:41 (four years ago) link

the accents.

Fizzles, Friday, 13 March 2020 22:58 (four years ago) link

thats gotta be the worst attempt at a scottish accent I've heard in a long while, kind of fitting that it was from a Star Trek engineer

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Saturday, 14 March 2020 08:22 (four years ago) link

That Irish accent is brutal as well, in case anyone was in any doubt.

As we were watching it I said "why are we being subjected to this?"

Seven doing Borgy things was cool, but.

trishyb, Saturday, 14 March 2020 10:21 (four years ago) link

you can 3d print any food item with nutritious content in the universe but synthetic speech has taken a backwards step from 2020.

Fizzles, Saturday, 14 March 2020 17:30 (four years ago) link

what if he *likes* comedy accents and did it on purpose

mh, Saturday, 14 March 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link

tal shiar: "what you are about to endure will drive some of you mad"
*projects fiery deaths of galaxies directly into yr cortical core*

hologram menu: "what you are about to endure will drive some of you mad"
pretty bearded man in kilt and leprechaun hat with dangling corks: "fair dinkum hoots begorrah bah gum y'all"

mark s, Saturday, 14 March 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link

He is pretty, though.

trishyb, Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:29 (four years ago) link

I thought this was a return to form! The scene with Raffi and the holograms was charming, Picard gave a very TNG speech. Seven's appearance was still a waste of Jeri Ryan's talents, though. Also, the Scottish accent is definitely an homage to James Doohan.

Feminism-Appropriating Regressive Transphobe (Leee), Saturday, 14 March 2020 22:28 (four years ago) link

hologram accents starting to irritate but god he is too pretty to stay mad at

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 March 2020 02:27 (four years ago) link

concerned about the implications of Borginating on and off like that but really loved 7 of 9 in this ep

the kiwi romulan kid bugs me

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 March 2020 02:29 (four years ago) link

disappointing that it's not like rhode island/aberdeen/pittsburgh accents, but at least the cigar tells us what's important

mookieproof, Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:18 (four years ago) link

the kiwi romulan kid bugs me

He's a bit Ornaldo Bloomps, but I like him. I want to know why you don't like him, but I also don't want to know in case your reasons also make me not like him.

trishyb, Sunday, 15 March 2020 09:49 (four years ago) link

river tam = combination dahj/soji and elnor

mark s, Sunday, 15 March 2020 10:23 (four years ago) link

not too clear on how our heroes suddenly and magically realized the entire plot, but i guess some stuff happened

I was a bit confused about this too, but then I remembered that in the previous episode, when we saw the stuff Commodore Oh mind-melded into Dr. Jurati's brain, it included visions of the Zhat Vash members going crazy because of the Admonition. So apparently she transferred the whole story of the Zhat Vash into Jurati's brain, not just the ancient warning about synthetic life, and the heroes somehow got her to explain it despite the psychic block Oh placed in her mind. How they got past the block wasn't explained, though.

Tuomas, Sunday, 15 March 2020 11:00 (four years ago) link

But yeah, agree that this was a good episode, a nicely paced "right before the storm" story that revealed the stakes and put all the pieces in motion for the two-parter finale.

Tuomas, Sunday, 15 March 2020 11:03 (four years ago) link

The only thing I didn't like is the revelation that Captain Rios has a history with the androids and the Zhat Vash conspiracy too, even though he was supposedly just a random pilot Musiker happened to know. I get it that they wanted him to have a personal stake in the conflict too, but they could've come up with some other way of doing that, something that wasn't such ridiculous coincidence.

Tuomas, Sunday, 15 March 2020 11:07 (four years ago) link

not too clear on how our heroes suddenly and magically realized the entire plot

i missed any mention in previous eps of the 'conclave of eight' or any romulans drawing weird patterns, but i don't always pay close attention.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:43 (four years ago) link

also synthetics involve past a certain point and then "someone bad shows up"? eh?

Paperbag raita (ledge), Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:44 (four years ago) link

it's like discovering warp engine technology and the Vulcans showing up to say hi

only instead of saying hi, the mystery people destroy your civilizations

tbh they could take a cue from the Star Trek mirror universe and just activate a bunch of artificial lifeforms while having some super weapons parked in orbit

mh, Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:58 (four years ago) link

I just thought it was a strange way of putting it. Someone shows up? What? Who? 'They evolve past a certain point and then consider humanity redundant' makes more sense.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Monday, 16 March 2020 09:22 (four years ago) link

also synthetics involve past a certain point and then "someone bad shows up"? eh?

I've read some fan theories that this all ties to the Control plot of Discovery's season 2, and the prophecy seen there of Control destroying organic life in the entire galaxy is what this "someone bad" wants to avoid... I can't imagine they'd want to tie this series so closely to Discovery though, especially since (AFAIK) the plot was being written before Discovery's second season even came out. Apparently Michael Chabon wasn't even allowed to make overt references to DS9's Dominion War, so that it wouldn't confuse viewers not familiar with that series, even though that war is (according to Chabon) the biggest reason why the Federation has become more paranoid and isolationist.

Tuomas, Monday, 16 March 2020 09:28 (four years ago) link

lol i've been ignoring all this backstory nonsense bcz i only very intermittently watched the various later iterations of SW anyway. if i have to look it up it didn't happen!!

mark s, Monday, 16 March 2020 10:01 (four years ago) link

I don't think you're gonna find much backstory for this series in later iterations of Star Wars...

Tuomas, Monday, 16 March 2020 11:27 (four years ago) link

In all seriousness though, you should watch Deep Space Nine. It's the best Trek series, it touches some of the same themes as this one, and nowadays it's all on Netflix.

Tuomas, Monday, 16 March 2020 11:28 (four years ago) link

yes im probably not going to do that

mark s, Monday, 16 March 2020 11:32 (four years ago) link

eh ultimately it's not that good but it's a way to pass the time. worf shows up, gets to do some good straight man bits

j., Monday, 16 March 2020 14:54 (four years ago) link

"what did you do during the great self-isolation nuncle s?"
"why i rewatched all of DS9!"
*isolation door slammed shut and barred FROM THE OUTSIDE*

mark s, Monday, 16 March 2020 14:57 (four years ago) link

>=(

Archaeopteryx Morgan M.D. (Leee), Monday, 16 March 2020 21:59 (four years ago) link

boooo DS9 is gr8

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 03:58 (four years ago) link

i cosign j.'s review.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 08:15 (four years ago) link

Nah, even though Worf is indeed cool in Deep Space Nine and gets a better arc than he ever did in TNG, he's not even among the top 5 best characters of DS9.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 08:36 (four years ago) link

Sisko, Kira, Garak, Martok, Nog?

Archaeopteryx Morgan M.D. (Leee), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 14:56 (four years ago) link

Pretty much yeah, except replace Sisko with Odo, and maybe also Martok with Dax.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:35 (four years ago) link

But Kira, Garak, Nog, yeah, those three are such compelling characters and they're given such great arcs that I can't really think anything comparable in other ST series... Maybe Data in TNG.

The scene where Nog stands up to Sisko in his office made me cry more than anything Star Trek related ever has. It's awesome how the DS9 managed to save the Ferengi from TNG's joke species into something so much more.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:42 (four years ago) link

Nog made some bad career choices in retrospect.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 20:40 (four years ago) link

Join the Federation, see the worlds, they said

mh, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 21:45 (four years ago) link

it is worth watching this episode with a good stereo system merely for the fact someone had fun doing the “borg cube exits conduit” noise

absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Thursday, 19 March 2020 22:09 (four years ago) link

Makeup effects crew really went to town with the shimmery highlighter palette

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 20 March 2020 16:21 (four years ago) link

This felt more like a TNG episode than any of the previous ones. Our team enters a planet where the inhabitants are living in a communal utopia in small location wearing space togas and doing gymnastics on the town square, but turns out one of the leaders is corrupting them, Picard tries to steer them away from the leader with a Picard speech, appealing to their decency, but the evil leader counters him... I mean, it must be an intentional TNG homage, right? No way would the showmakers have had them wear those togas if it wasn't.

Tuomas, Friday, 20 March 2020 16:58 (four years ago) link

disappointed spiner didn't take the opportunity to differentiate the soong family by introducing Billy Bob Soong

Philip Nunez, Friday, 20 March 2020 17:11 (four years ago) link

never trust any of those Soongs

absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Friday, 20 March 2020 18:04 (four years ago) link

the soongs remain the same

mookieproof, Friday, 20 March 2020 18:13 (four years ago) link

these newfangled androids are totally soft, btw -- data survived far worse than that

mookieproof, Friday, 20 March 2020 19:07 (four years ago) link

otm

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 20 March 2020 19:10 (four years ago) link

Someone shows up? What? Who? 'They evolve past a certain point and then consider humanity redundant' makes more sense.

So it was 'someone shows up' after all. I like my idea better. I doubt TNG actually featured more of that kind of existential threat than plain vanilla big baddies, but it feels like it might have done.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 21 March 2020 18:12 (four years ago) link

jlp: "it feels like i'm looking at data!"
the viewer: "it feels more like i'm typing data into a spreadsheet"

i am happy to accept this is mean but the dialogue very much delivered the open goal

mark s, Saturday, 21 March 2020 18:25 (four years ago) link

I doubt TNG actually featured more of that kind of existential threat than plain vanilla big baddies, but it feels like it might have done.

The longest plot arc in TNG, which began in the very first episode and ended in the very last, was that humanity has evolved so far that the Q continuum has come to judge it and see if it's fit to go on.

Tuomas, Saturday, 21 March 2020 20:14 (four years ago) link

Yes but you'd hardly know it as it's mostly played for laughs.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 21 March 2020 21:01 (four years ago) link

This was the first odd-numbered episode that I liked! I rolled me eyes at yet another secret Soong but Sutra (or was it Soji?) saying fascinating was just a delight.

Archaeopteryx Morgan M.D. (Leee), Saturday, 21 March 2020 22:21 (four years ago) link

This felt more like a TNG episode than any of the previous ones.

A first season one at that. I was wondering what was going to happen if one of them stepped on a plant. (That said, still enjoying the general flow of the whole season.)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 March 2020 22:43 (four years ago) link

that gold-skinned version of our android kid seemed like a threat from the get-go

absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Sunday, 22 March 2020 02:13 (four years ago) link

ehh

mookieproof, Friday, 27 March 2020 00:51 (four years ago) link

a billion times better than part one

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 27 March 2020 01:53 (four years ago) link

It was okay, and I loved that they found a nonviolent solution to the conflict in the spirit of TNG... But it still felt like every plot beat you expected to happen did: of course Starfleet will ride in as the cavalry, of course Picard's illness is gonna kick in right at the moment of climax, and of course they're gonna download him inside the android body they conveniently introduced last episode. The one thing I didn't expect was Data still being "alive", but OTOH the scene with him felt like total fanservice, just repeating the same points they already made when he died in Nemesis.

The fight between Seven of Nine and the Zhat Vash was completely extraneous and pointless, like did they really have to go for action movie of "good guys' tough girl fights the bad guys' tough girl in the end"? They could've just had SoN shoot her and still get the same ending for her.

Tuomas, Friday, 27 March 2020 15:15 (four years ago) link

Also, why the heck did all the Starfleet ships leave as soon as the Romulans left? Shouldn't one or two of them stayed behind just to oversee the situation, and to make sure some less diplomatically inclined Romulans wouldn't still try a sneak attack on the androids?

Tuomas, Friday, 27 March 2020 15:18 (four years ago) link

Uggghhh, this was so bad. I lose points for following it through to the end.

Miami weisse (WmC), Friday, 27 March 2020 15:30 (four years ago) link

Felt like I was that meme of Picard facepalming while watching most of this episode

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 27 March 2020 15:39 (four years ago) link

yeah it was ok but like Tuomas said a bit too neat, wrapping everything in perfect bows, it got a little rmde

and like with Picard dying they leaned so hard on the “sadness” like THIS IS SAD ARENT YOU SAD OH ITS SO SAD and it left me kinda cold

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 27 March 2020 16:09 (four years ago) link

Also, the football

groovypanda, Friday, 27 March 2020 21:54 (four years ago) link

Anyway next season will be “Oh yeah what happened to that Narek guy?” and it’ll be ten episodes of him wandering the cube going “Huh.”

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 March 2020 23:22 (four years ago) link

feel like the advanced picard manoeuvre will not stop as many spacerays as he imagines and they have to land somewhere and the planet is right there

mark s, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:14 (four years ago) link

omg get on with it

mark s, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:38 (four years ago) link

*turns back into yoda as is proper*

mark s, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:46 (four years ago) link

I definitely won't be watching the next season of this. I just thought it was rubbish. There were so many cool Borg connections and possibilities that they just left on the table, which just made me wonder why they bothered bringing the Borg into it at all. All very frustrating and dull.

trishyb, Saturday, 28 March 2020 23:25 (four years ago) link

Lot of justs, there. Really a lot.

trishyb, Saturday, 28 March 2020 23:25 (four years ago) link

Agree with the Borg disappointment. Since the theme of the season was synthetic life, and the Borg themselves are semi-synthetic, I was expecting that to tie in with the main plot, but it never did. The whole thing with Hugh and the XB's and Seven of Nine was pretty much irrelevant in the end. They didn't event get to use the Borg cube for anything, so what was the point of bringing it to the android planet?

Tuomas, Saturday, 28 March 2020 23:37 (four years ago) link

when i looked at them all sitting eagerly like picardians! assemble! right at the end my heart just sank and never stopped

mark s, Saturday, 28 March 2020 23:50 (four years ago) link

from a none-too-elevated starting point

mark s, Saturday, 28 March 2020 23:50 (four years ago) link

Resurrecting him at the end really cheapens the sacrifice he meant to make, doesn't it?

I don't know why but the writing on nu Trek has been so awful and scattered. Moral lessons undermined or unearned, plot holes galore.

Triceratops Vowell (Leee), Sunday, 29 March 2020 00:52 (four years ago) link

Crashed borg ship looking tempting as beachfront luxury high rise condo; just needs some TLC

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 29 March 2020 04:22 (four years ago) link

lol at 'let's get drunk with a stranger' and/or 'let's weep in the arms of a stranger'

tbf rios honestly had better chemistry with seven -- perhaps because his badass cigar was elsewhere -- than with our wee murderer, whose eyes are too damn close together. also raffi is the absolute worst and she's gonna drag seven down with her

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 March 2020 07:16 (four years ago) link

This was quite bad.

They should just stop making trek stuff

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Sunday, 29 March 2020 07:30 (four years ago) link

I disagree, because I like Discovery. Even if it did go off the boil towards the end of the second season.

I just can't get over how they threw the Borg away like that. How was Jean-Luc's tumour nothing to do with his Borg implant, when it so easily could have been a shadow of that? How was the scary entity that crosses dimensions when it learns of a group of high-functioning synthetic beings not the Borg? That is absolutely a thing they would do. How is Jean-Luc Picard totally fine with having his consciousness put into a non-human body without his permission? Surely that would be one of his great nightmares? I would expect it to be in his will! "No pissing about with my consciousness after my body dies." And why wouldn't you make his synthetic body younger? I know there are production reasons for that, but it makes no sense in context.

Mind you, the special effects in this were very impressive. I especially liked the space orchids. I also liked the fact that neither terrible Romulan boyfriend nor Rios appear to have bothered getting super-swole for their tank-top scenes. I mean, I'm sure they hit the gym that week, but it wasn't an all-out gun show.

trishyb, Sunday, 29 March 2020 08:30 (four years ago) link

This was bad. I got very annoyed with it after a few episodes. Just as with Discovery the show tries to be too many things at once without doing any of them particularly well.

Ok bloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 29 March 2020 11:01 (four years ago) link

How was Jean-Luc's tumour nothing to do with his Borg implant, when it so easily could have been a shadow of that?

TBF, Picard's brain disease was already introduced in the potential future seen in the last episode of TNG, and no Borg connection was mentioned there... But you're right, they still could've easily retconned it so that there is such a connection.

Tuomas, Monday, 30 March 2020 06:46 (four years ago) link

i liked that the borg were sidelined in this, that the ideological differences between them and the extra-dimensional ancient synths that were stuck in the romulan brains literally disabled the cube like a virus.
what i didn't like was that the big bad guys ended up being third rate flying spaghetti monsters.

they could have also let picard spend some of next season goofing off in the black lodge having tea with other killed-off characters before resurrecting him.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 01:39 (four years ago) link

Never seen this TNG ep and hate that I haven't:

The TNG episode where Data goes off pic.twitter.com/kG8hHW0hba

— klon peags (@tembeep) April 11, 2020

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 11 April 2020 09:56 (four years ago) link

data's examples are mexico's war of independence, ireland, and one made-up rebellion. i think the writers put too much credence into duck you sucker.

wasdnuos (abanana), Saturday, 11 April 2020 13:26 (four years ago) link

i am almost done with a complete star trek watch/rewatch and i went back to picard just after i finished tng—i had stopped a couple episodes in because it seemed kinda unnngh

but it turned out alright after that! on a par with discovery.

i liked how the narrative ended up reviving the idyllic-colonists/natives storyline repeated ad nauseam in tos and tng but centered it on the synthetics. it was kind of lol though that after all that the romulans just gave up. it was like their core belief! tested with its worst possible scenario!

presumably the possibility of going on means that they have a lot of borg stuff in their pocket to use in a second season.

j., Wednesday, 22 April 2020 04:45 (four years ago) link

eight months pass...

Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2020 season is nominated in the 2020 ILX TV poll:

ILX's Best Television of 2020 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends After January 29, 2021

If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (3 minimum, 25 maximum, ranked by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail. It'll take five minutes; get to it!

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 January 2021 19:39 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

And look who's back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk9F90wklRQ

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 April 2021 19:24 (three years ago) link

sure is a lot of lens flare goin in that office

nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 5 April 2021 19:28 (three years ago) link

“I don’t really need a second season of this show”
*watches teaser*
“Eh, what the hell, I’ll watch this”

mh, Monday, 5 April 2021 19:44 (three years ago) link

WHOO BORG QUEEN.

Ovid-19 (Leee), Monday, 5 April 2021 20:25 (three years ago) link

pretty into a new Q story tbh

tomorrow, Monday, 5 April 2021 22:39 (three years ago) link

Oh fuck your "cant watch this in your country" you tube!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 06:40 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHMti7u9TBE

You know Q has aged surprisingly well!

Also, interesting that season 1's crew is back again -- and the return of his Romulan helpmates! -- especially because I didn't think that Jeri Ryan's commitment would extend beyond that handful of epsidoes.

Trying to keep my expectations in check, though, lest we get a repeat of what happened last year.

BABA BUOY (Leee), Thursday, 17 June 2021 00:05 (three years ago) link

It’s a charismatic cast that works well together, I’m up for it.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:41 (three years ago) link

Dug the Romulans and 7, not that excited to see the rest of them.

I still haven't seen last year's series finale - I guess we just forgot about it?

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 17 June 2021 14:55 (three years ago) link

I watched the Discovery pilot then bounced. I think I mainly enjoy old mainly-episodic comfort food Trek, the new more serialized high-stakes-all-the-time variety doesn't work for me, never checked this one out cause it seemed to be a similar style

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Thursday, 17 June 2021 15:21 (three years ago) link

If you don't like Discovery, this is more of the same except worse. I don't mind Discovery though - but still haven't seen S3.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 17 June 2021 15:36 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

I didn't realize that Chabon (still on the writing staff) isn't show-running for season 2 -- instead, it's the 12 Monkeys guy.

Gemini Cricket (Leee), Wednesday, 21 July 2021 23:40 (three years ago) link

He was also involved with Voyager and Enterprise I think

groovypanda, Friday, 23 July 2021 07:17 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Was not expecting a dark gritty reboot of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home -- or a certain returning character -- but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUhBOmtFYr8

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2021 14:46 (two years ago) link

dang you got me all stoked for the mom from 7th heaven

adam, Thursday, 9 September 2021 14:50 (two years ago) link

Also season three is happening so hey.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2021 14:55 (two years ago) link

three months pass...
two weeks pass...

This comment (originally posted in jest) aged surprisingly well.

Wordle Stephen Curry II (Leee), Friday, 21 January 2022 23:18 (two years ago) link

Anyway, here's another trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyuddrlFajs

Wordle Stephen Curry II (Leee), Friday, 21 January 2022 23:24 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

first episode was p great! just zips right along

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 4 March 2022 07:01 (two years ago) link

Just finished rewatching S1 and glad i did as had forgotten SO much

groovypanda, Friday, 4 March 2022 10:51 (two years ago) link

Don't get my hopes up, Veg.

Mobile Suit Gundam Style (Leee), Friday, 4 March 2022 19:40 (two years ago) link

get em up! way up!!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 4 March 2022 22:09 (two years ago) link

I got this!

Mobile Suit Gundam Style (Leee), Friday, 4 March 2022 23:02 (two years ago) link

OMG this actually was good! But, where is mark's bad paintings on TV thread?

It was jarring to see though scenes of domestic abuse on a Trek show.

Mobile Suit Gundam Style (Leee), Saturday, 5 March 2022 21:29 (two years ago) link

Also yaaas queen, her new ensemble is awesome. Looks almost McQueen, fittingly.

Mobile Suit Gundam Style (Leee), Saturday, 5 March 2022 21:41 (two years ago) link

Honest question, not snark, not well versed enough in Trek lore to know - why are li'l picard and his mom dressed like it's the 1930's?

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 7 March 2022 14:12 (two years ago) link

lol that was something I wondered myself -- I thought maybe because they're vintners but the dialogue suggested that they're moving from Paris.

Mobile Suit Gundam Style (Leee), Monday, 7 March 2022 17:20 (two years ago) link

his brother dressed kind of oldtimeyish in the TNG ep…i didnt think much of it i figured it was just an oh yknow, Paris, winemaking ~handwave~

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 7 March 2022 17:25 (two years ago) link

In Star Trek, if you live on a planet, and you're not a soldier or a politician, you get "peasant-y type local attire"

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 7 March 2022 17:35 (two years ago) link

everyone is a historical cosplayer in the future of france

mh, Monday, 7 March 2022 17:36 (two years ago) link

quiddities and agonies of ST groundlings

Everybody Loves Ramen (WmC), Monday, 7 March 2022 17:37 (two years ago) link

it's skintight or kaftan, there are no other fashions

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 7 March 2022 17:39 (two years ago) link

Guinan’s hat bugged me slightly. looked a little crafty/rushed & not quite circular?

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 7 March 2022 18:34 (two years ago) link

i'm going in lads

mark s, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:40 (two years ago) link

timecheck 4:48: #ffs

mark s, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 18:48 (two years ago) link

what if,, picy blinders?

mark s, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 19:05 (two years ago) link

this is the worst speech anyone has given in the history of human speech

mark s, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 19:07 (two years ago) link

everyone plz stop saying "final frontier"

mark s, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 19:30 (two years ago) link

well that was a grim slog, apologies to everyone loving it

mark s, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 19:48 (two years ago) link

mark's not ready for more frontiers

mh, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 19:55 (two years ago) link

narrator's voice: it was the exact same number of frontiers

mark s, Tuesday, 8 March 2022 19:59 (two years ago) link

ok I pretty much guessed the big loop of this season from episode one

hope they throw in some twists and turns!

also, lol at hardman Picard

mh, Thursday, 10 March 2022 18:14 (two years ago) link

Definitely fun to see his grim side, as it were. (Finally got around to seeing the first episode yesterday and the new one just now.)

Kinda fun casting decision -- the Magistrate there in the new episode, who exactly the actor was was bugging me the entire time. Then I saw the end credits -- Jon Jon Briones! (Who is indeed Isa's dad, and who I last saw in the Assassination of Gianni Versace series.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 10 March 2022 22:28 (two years ago) link

Fun episode BUT this is really a mirror universe story, not a Back to the Future part II story. They are having it both ways with nature/nurture -- it is in the characters' genes that they become great people, but their morals are dictated by the reality they live in. This isn't a problem in Mirror Universe stories because they are in a bizarro universe, where some things are backwards and you shouldn't think about it too hard.

adam t. (abanana), Thursday, 10 March 2022 23:12 (two years ago) link

pleased to note that ART is featuring strongly in every ep so far :D

mark s, Friday, 11 March 2022 18:30 (two years ago) link

every ep is going to have a terrible painting and a worse picard speech riffing off the same stupid original

mark s, Friday, 11 March 2022 18:55 (two years ago) link

feel like these confederation dudes are kinda dumb

mark s, Friday, 11 March 2022 20:21 (two years ago) link

That's what I kinda like about them -- they're both laughable AND terrifying, which, how you say, has a certain contemporary resonance.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 11 March 2022 20:24 (two years ago) link

loved when the viewscreen said FLEET DEPLOYED

mookieproof, Saturday, 12 March 2022 03:24 (two years ago) link

Frankly I'm glad that it isn't another Mirror Universe story (though it kind of is in all but name) as I feel that it's been played to death in the Trek universe. That said I'm kind of into this so far, as some of the dialogue (if not the speech writing) has been sharper as far as defining the characters and Agnes is bringing the lols.

Vladimir Poutine (Leee), Saturday, 12 March 2022 23:52 (two years ago) link

I'm also imagining a new, final frontier where the role of the Queen is played by multiple actors, kind of like the Doctor but with more prosthetics.

Vladimir Poutine (Leee), Saturday, 12 March 2022 23:57 (two years ago) link

this is goofy af, but i'd watch seven and rios and laris do anything

and picard and q, especially if they're doing eeeeevil

agnes is okay; raffi and (especially) elnor seem pointless to me

mookieproof, Sunday, 13 March 2022 00:05 (two years ago) link

elnor is the worst

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 13 March 2022 00:11 (two years ago) link

raffi sucks. i die inside every time she calls picard “JL”

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 13 March 2022 00:12 (two years ago) link

there are lots of arguments to be had about what is and what isn't 'star trek' but i'm pretty sure having happy-go-lucky elnor slit peoples' throats is the latter

mookieproof, Sunday, 13 March 2022 00:14 (two years ago) link

its his version of skateboarding down an elephant

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 13 March 2022 00:30 (two years ago) link

Hahahah

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2022 01:52 (two years ago) link

I gotta say I was thinking the other day how if you had gone back 35 years to the filming of the TNG debut episode and told Patrick Stewart and John DeLancie they'll be continuing to interpret these characters in, well, 35 years, I would have enjoyed their reactions.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 13 March 2022 01:54 (two years ago) link

delancie would have been 'cool!' and stewart might have killed himself

mookieproof, Sunday, 13 March 2022 02:59 (two years ago) link

lmao

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 13 March 2022 03:00 (two years ago) link

raffi sucks. i die inside every time she calls picard “JL”

I keep checking in with this thread to see if I should start watching the second season, and it is exactly stuff like this that makes me glad I decided not to bother.

Patrick Freyne's review is good and funny (as usual).

trishyb, Sunday, 13 March 2022 14:05 (two years ago) link

New season is fun so far so I'd say you're missing out.

groovypanda, Monday, 14 March 2022 07:50 (two years ago) link

Disgusting Siskobaiting in the last ep.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 14 March 2022 09:27 (two years ago) link

interesting connection, there
The crew on this show is headed back to Los Angeles, 2024. That year sounded familiar so I double-checked. The Gabriel Bell riots that DS9 time travelled to? San Francisco, 2024

mh, Monday, 14 March 2022 12:58 (two years ago) link

Yeah that had been discussed a bit in the runup elsewhere -- actual continuity, who knew!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 March 2022 14:20 (two years ago) link

So you're saying we're gonna get hologram Dick Miller.

Daniel_Rf, Monday, 14 March 2022 14:20 (two years ago) link

I did wonder if the date was relevant to an older ep or one of the movies!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 14 March 2022 22:17 (two years ago) link

So is this (or Q's doing of this) implying this world is the end result of the riots not having been "fixed" by Sisko?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 14 March 2022 22:19 (two years ago) link

Actually as an aside. I dont think I understood what Q was getting at when he was basically menacingly saying "you need to do penance. YOU KNOW WHY." is this notyet established or am I missing something cos I dont know what hes referring to, aside from the overall "trial" which ... ffs come on.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 14 March 2022 22:20 (two years ago) link

The big drop that keeps getting foreshadowed is that Picard has some sin or misfortune in his past that’s not been addressed. Guinan kind of prods him and implies it might be about personal relationships, Raffi rightfully gives him shit for the holes in his personal outlook, he has that weird flashback with his mom (?)… who knows! They’re leading to something

I do like the implication that the world going to shit in 2024 isn’t inevitable for… reasons.

mh, Monday, 14 March 2022 22:41 (two years ago) link

My early prediction Picards mom is the borg queen there I said it.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 14 March 2022 22:42 (two years ago) link

I think that the reference to the Bell Riots is a red herring, since they're supposed to be headed to LA and not SF, or maybe it's a double reverse red herring in that they deliberately ID'ed LA instead to throw us off the scent, but as for "YOU KNOW WHY," I think it's meant to be a mystery to viewers (if not *ahem* JL himself).

Vladimir Poutine (Leee), Monday, 14 March 2022 22:45 (two years ago) link

xp that was one of my three guesses, but I think
Picard is going to come clean about his past/mom to the crew, and one of them (maybe the tall female one?!) is it, and that is why the line from the nightmare/flashback happens

mh, Monday, 14 March 2022 22:47 (two years ago) link

agreed with Leee on the location thing

I think 2024 is just a hinge point

also the next US election year

insert deep, weary sigh here

mh, Monday, 14 March 2022 22:48 (two years ago) link

Picard is going to come clean about his past/mom

"I'm not actually French."

Justice League: Picard (Leee), Monday, 14 March 2022 23:02 (two years ago) link

shocking!

it’d be really funny if the reason for the weird clothes was his mom was a weird munchausens-by-proxy but for cosplaying 1800s france

mh, Monday, 14 March 2022 23:18 (two years ago) link

kinda wonder if they're gonna ignore jean-luc having a brother?

anyway i have to agree with trishy b's link -- none of this requires there to be a hole in picard's life. he's gotten with lots of ladies and if he can't muster it up for orla brady then dm me her number. let's go do some sci-fi shit

mookieproof, Monday, 14 March 2022 23:40 (two years ago) link

lol

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 00:10 (two years ago) link

If they at least allude to the Bev/Picard ship (even to explain why it never happened either on TNG or between TNG and Picard), I as a longtime shipper would forgive the show many of its current and future trespasses.

Justice League: Picard (Leee), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 00:12 (two years ago) link

mookie!

my man

mh, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 00:45 (two years ago) link

I as a longtime shipper would forgive the show many of its current and future trespasses.

You mean they might finally admit that he's Wesley's real dad? And Wesley would come back from Travellerland, or wherever he ended up? That would be cool.

trishyb, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 01:23 (two years ago) link

recently learned that you used to be a poster i really liked a lot but goddamnit if you summon wesley i will fp you straight to hell

mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 01:35 (two years ago) link

(j/k)

mookieproof, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 01:35 (two years ago) link

It's inevitable. I can feel it.

trishyb, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 01:41 (two years ago) link

as long as they don’t bring back that gross archaeologist chick from Risa i dont care who he bones as long as he bones ~someone~ ffs

i vote for orla or bev

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 04:28 (two years ago) link

Just watched the TNG episode where he goes to his brother's vineyard and 1800s france was very much a thing there too

groovypanda, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 08:50 (two years ago) link

evidently the bad picard (grrrr scowls) and the good picard (smiles ineffectually, unsure what's going on) are going to sidney-carton the french revolution in two different directions

mark s, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 09:14 (two years ago) link

You mean they might finally admit that he's Wesley's real dad? And Wesley would come back from Travellerland, or wherever he ended up? That would be cool.

Nooooooo! I never went in for THAT particular theory, and my interest in Bev/Picard was strictly within the timeline of TNG (I have a great fondness for "Attached").

Justice League: Picard (Leee), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 16:52 (two years ago) link

I’m burning this motherfucker down if Wesley shows up

mh, Tuesday, 15 March 2022 17:26 (two years ago) link

I dunno, I always liked that tease of the Traveller story that never really got follow up, I recall I thought it might come up at one point in Disco and never did.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 15 March 2022 21:35 (two years ago) link

as long as they don’t bring back that gross archaeologist chick from Risa i dont care

Oh my god, she was the WOOOORST. It was like they were going for a Raiders vibe and landed somewhere around Hooten and the Lady (a show I have never seen, obviously).

trishyb, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 10:32 (two years ago) link

sir pat stew didn't think that archaeologist chick was gross o_O

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 15:18 (two years ago) link

To bring it back full circle, Vash (the "archaeologist chick") ended up palling around the universe with Q (in an ersatz Doctor/companion thing) on DS9.

Justice League: Picard (Leee), Wednesday, 16 March 2022 17:24 (two years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/B9wsFac.png

mark s, Wednesday, 16 March 2022 17:35 (two years ago) link

oh yeah thats right the archaeologist was his irl girlfriend at the time or wife or whatever

big deal, her character was lame

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 16 March 2022 21:43 (two years ago) link

ooh I think my borg guess might be right

mh, Thursday, 17 March 2022 17:29 (two years ago) link

Intrigued about this now. I bailed on Picard season 1 before the two-part finale. Do I *have* to go back and watch that before season 2?

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 17 March 2022 18:19 (two years ago) link

I watched the first 10 mins of season 2 and was, like, Ok! He's back on the farm, so I guess nothing big happened, also the theme tune is bad now.

I just don't want to see any of the new crew, ever, except Orla Brady. Unless they're ok now?

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 17 March 2022 18:21 (two years ago) link

I don't think you really need to have seen the s1 finale for s2 so far -- might be worth reading a synopsis and then immediately facepalming.

Nu-crue:

  • Raffi has only called "JL" once by my count (of the two eps that I've seen), so she's only mildly annoying.
  • Elnor's actor is really limited and so he's being used as comic relief, which IMO makes him a little more bearable.
  • Agnes actually carried the second episode for me
Everyone else kind of merits a w/e.

Justice League: Picard (Leee), Thursday, 17 March 2022 19:19 (two years ago) link

lol i think this is a good assessment

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 17 March 2022 19:30 (two years ago) link

oh and i need clarification on this

are we definitely sure that Rios is NOT timothy olyphant?

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 17 March 2022 19:31 (two years ago) link

how dare you

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 17 March 2022 20:25 (two years ago) link

Elnor's actor is really limited and so he's being used as comic relief

Well...that changes.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 March 2022 20:27 (two years ago) link

man, ICE is just as terrible in 2024

mh, Thursday, 17 March 2022 22:39 (two years ago) link

choosing the borg queen over elnor is the correct choice sorry if this offends

mark s, Saturday, 19 March 2022 23:25 (two years ago) link

I feel like I missed something there, speaking of which. Why is Raffi in such hysterics?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 20 March 2022 00:17 (two years ago) link

because she sucks

mookieproof, Sunday, 20 March 2022 00:31 (two years ago) link

imagine choosing between a good friend you were on an epic adventure with last season and BQ and the first thing Picard does is makes a snap judgment

I mean, it’s right, but damn

mh, Sunday, 20 March 2022 01:15 (two years ago) link

I don't think this season is reinventing any warp drives but so far it's been 3/3.

  • Sorry mark no paintings this episode.
  • The millennial who's writing Jurati's dialogue deserves a Q-damned promotion.
  • Really liked the the psychological horror vibes in the Jurati/Queen scene even though it makes absolutely no sci-fi sense.
  • I wonder if they're going to pay off the white lady privilege stuff with Seven (although it's really nice to see Jeri Ryan show charisma on a Trek show) (same goes with Rios, both with his charisma and with almost getting away with bluffing ICE because he was a dude being authoritative).
  • I'm a little on the fence with this iteration of the Queen -- Alice Krige was vampy, Susanna Thompson was ethereal and spooky, but I'm not sure I have a strong read on Annie Wersching's yet (although admittedly she's only had half an episode to be lucid).

Justice League: Picard (Leee), Sunday, 20 March 2022 01:21 (two years ago) link

  • easily the best alison pill episode
  • absurd to let her do that without seven's supervision
  • easily the best santiago cabrera episode
  • borg queen has resting smirk face, and it's good

mookieproof, Sunday, 20 March 2022 02:56 (two years ago) link

i feel like the Rios part of the plot is going to be a leadweight on an otherwise good story

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 20 March 2022 03:15 (two years ago) link

tbh 2024 being generally shit even outside of this watcher/divergence in time business is going to be part of the backdrop and having one character have stakes in that is probably a necessity

mh, Sunday, 20 March 2022 22:09 (two years ago) link

is this going to be about brexit again? q changed timeline so that double brexit happens?

adam t. (abanana), Sunday, 20 March 2022 23:03 (two years ago) link

sorry to say it, but I think all of the screenwriters are american and virtually none of us give a crap about brexit. I’d estimate if you asked what “brexit” is on the street, the vast majority people would have no idea what that is

I’m obviously sympathetic and not in that group, but

mh, Sunday, 20 March 2022 23:15 (two years ago) link

counterpoint: brexit on infinite earths

mark s, Sunday, 20 March 2022 23:23 (two years ago) link

i’d watch that, no matter how boring it’d be

mh, Monday, 21 March 2022 00:13 (two years ago) link

isn’t that what dr who is

mookieproof, Monday, 21 March 2022 00:23 (two years ago) link

Don’t think I ever expected to see @KofmanMichael turn up in @PrivateEyeNews, but here we are. The crossover event of the year: pic.twitter.com/cs7nBeMDCu

— Shashank Joshi (@shashj) March 23, 2022

mark s, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 15:55 (two years ago) link

ha theres an artist who does up a bunch of celebrities in old military garb like that (this is actually probably their work), my gf has a bunch of them in little prints (and a terrifying tim minchin one as our shower curtain)

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Wednesday, 23 March 2022 20:25 (two years ago) link

y..you have Tim Minchin's face on your shower curtain!?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 23 March 2022 23:31 (two years ago) link

yes and its terrifying.

click if you dare

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Wednesday, 23 March 2022 23:52 (two years ago) link

your gf is v. special

mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 March 2022 23:58 (two years ago) link

i like to think so! unless you mean it in the mean way in which case let me know so you can CATCH THIS FP

Kompakt Total Landscaping (Will M.), Thursday, 24 March 2022 00:04 (two years ago) link

haha <3

mookieproof, Thursday, 24 March 2022 00:12 (two years ago) link

I clicked and I now am full of regret.

Justice League: Picard (Leee), Thursday, 24 March 2022 00:21 (two years ago) link

OK this show is getting quite interesting! I figured out who Picard would encounter, it was pretty obvious. Bit baffled by Q's bit at the end. Trying to figure out whats going to happen!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 24 March 2022 09:19 (two years ago) link

from knowing the music of LA, I assume the Watcher is Dr. Dre

mh, Thursday, 24 March 2022 14:32 (two years ago) link

oh wait, just thought of the obvious one. will watch and find out!

mh, Thursday, 24 March 2022 14:47 (two years ago) link

looking back thru data's paintings for a clue

mark s, Thursday, 24 March 2022 15:29 (two years ago) link

That "California Dreaming" montage might be the worst thing I've seen on TV this year so far.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 24 March 2022 21:24 (two years ago) link

Yeah that clunked hard.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 24 March 2022 21:24 (two years ago) link

I enjoyed this ep but it occurs to me now what was bugging me:

He meets Guinan at the bar at 10 Forward st (heh) and she seems to never have met him before, but he met her in the 19th century in that NextGen episode?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 24 March 2022 21:30 (two years ago) link

Scene on the bus = roffle.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 March 2022 22:09 (two years ago) link

Actually - was it the same actor?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 24 March 2022 22:18 (two years ago) link

For some weird reason IMDB has no detail up yet for this ep so I cant confirm.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 24 March 2022 22:19 (two years ago) link

I don't think it was, I figured more of a spiritual cousin, as it were.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 24 March 2022 22:24 (two years ago) link

a couple websites are saying it was!

mh, Thursday, 24 March 2022 22:38 (two years ago) link

Yeah its him, comparison pics make it clear

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 25 March 2022 01:23 (two years ago) link

I enjoyed this ep but it occurs to me now what was bugging me

Trayce: yeah, I wondered about how Guinan didn't recognize Picard even though they'd met earlier, but timey wimey/alternate timeline shenanigans could be a convenient out. Also she doesn't look the same now as she did a century before (though I guess the throwaway line about being able to change her appearance at will is meant to handwave that away).

Despite that potential inconsistency, I dug all the little easter eggs (10 Forward as mentioned, but also why Picard sounds like a Brit).

Also, Marty McFly's mom directed the episode!

Ace of Base Are Belong To Us (Leee), Saturday, 26 March 2022 20:46 (two years ago) link

Other things:

I liked Seven and Raffi's bickering!
Dixon Hill!

And this seems like confirmation that the mohawk guy is the same from STIV:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74p0A7sN-_I

Ace of Base Are Belong To Us (Leee), Saturday, 26 March 2022 21:04 (two years ago) link

And a nice interview with the one of the guest stars which also delves into the apparent plot inconsistency (spoiler-tagging the link because it has potential spoilers in it): https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/star-trek-picard-young-guinan-ito-aghayere-whoopi-goldberg-1235213292/

Ace of Base Are Belong To Us (Leee), Saturday, 26 March 2022 21:09 (two years ago) link

I’ll accept that.

mh, Saturday, 26 March 2022 21:12 (two years ago) link

Choice quote from interview:

And, I mean, he has a “Sir” in front of his name. He was just ready for it. He was like, “Bring it! Bring it!” And such a sweet soul.

A friend of mine had told me he really likes this yeast thing, Marmite. Because I have family in the U.K., I know it, and I hate it. It’s awful.

Ace of Base Are Belong To Us (Leee), Saturday, 26 March 2022 21:15 (two years ago) link

i like the actress who plays guinan but i was kind of annoyed that she didnt really do anything to even vaguely ~seem~ like the character at all idk
like except for her being at that bar & picard saying her name out loud, there isnt anything much there

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 26 March 2022 21:26 (two years ago) link

not that she shd imitate whoopi idk

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 26 March 2022 21:26 (two years ago) link

hah -- i saw who the director was but assumed it was a different person

mookieproof, Saturday, 26 March 2022 22:27 (two years ago) link

I like the idea of a timeline where
Guinan has been around earth during one of its worst periods, seen things move back and forth and then arrived at this 2024 bleak version, but without that tempering influence of having met Picard and crew back in the 1880s to know that things are going to rebound in a great way.

I recently rewatched the TNG episode where Ro Laren is initially sent to the Enterprise and Guinan sits her down and says, hey, I’m not here to be your friend, but here’s what I need to tell you. It’s a great moment because you can’t dictate what someone should do, but you can speak to them on their own terms.

I think there’s kind of a questionable writers room thing in ST with that, though, because as good as plays, the ST: First Contact movie also has a “black woman tells Picard to wake the fuck up” moment. I found it on youtube, but it cuts off before the great “..you broke your little toys..” line

mh, Saturday, 26 March 2022 23:58 (two years ago) link

Yeah if you accept that the timey wimey fuckery means theyre in a past/present where *everything* they were and did just Never Happened, things make more sense. Its a bit of a deus ex machina, but its also very Trek, so.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 27 March 2022 00:53 (two years ago) link

i thought guinan specifically told ro laren that she was her friend?

riker was such a dick in that ep; v. unprofessional

mookieproof, Sunday, 27 March 2022 01:01 (two years ago) link

yeah he was in super-asshole mode in that episode

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 27 March 2022 01:33 (two years ago) link

Was it episode 5 last season where things went south? This one was fine, but mostly setup for the next episode -- hopefully we'll get more heisty stuff that gets teased.

Ace of Base Are Belong To Us (Leee), Sunday, 3 April 2022 00:20 (two years ago) link

always happy to see orla but she seems to have let picard take over her entire mission with barely a shrug

not clear on how q had that disappointing finger snap yet still managed to provide soong with that compound/take over as renee's therapist

anyway despite the borg queen's attempts we have a plot, however absurd, that doesn't center on everyone's feelings. (yet, because this picard childhood thing is gonna be bad, right?

also santiago cabrera is a handsome man

mookieproof, Sunday, 3 April 2022 03:48 (two years ago) link

I am assuming Q is being her therapist precisely because he's realised he cant just Q-ify her head? So hes manipulating her old school.

Doesnt explain how he wormed into the position, but eh.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 3 April 2022 09:47 (two years ago) link

Meantime, looking ahead a bit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGl8ypcjWeI

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 17:54 (two years ago) link

how will they bring data back to life and will it involve chronotons

mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 18:02 (two years ago) link

sounds more like one of those Soong mfers to me

mh, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 18:07 (two years ago) link

Yeah I was rolling my eyes at yet another secret Soong.

I kind of wonder if the appearance of Soong and daughter wasn't so much a "Dahj cast in the image of hundreds of years later" thing but maybe a remixed reality where Q picked important people and recast them in this little fanfic of his.

Pomelo Anthony (Leee), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 18:27 (two years ago) link

Q is writing the show, confirmed!

mh, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 18:28 (two years ago) link

Well Alison Pill is having the time of her life (you know the moment I'm talking about it if you've seen the new episode).

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 April 2022 21:21 (two years ago) link

show needs more paintings: reanimate data

mark s, Thursday, 7 April 2022 22:24 (two years ago) link

this episode was lame

absurd that seven -- the character with actual borg experience! -- has spent the whole season trying to calm down the entirely useless raffi

didn't even get a song ffs

mookieproof, Saturday, 9 April 2022 04:03 (two years ago) link

thank god the picards had to go outside, at their crazy locked-down formal event, so someone could hit one of them with a car

oh no, someone is trapped in his own mind by entirely made-up trauma

they even wasted the whole thing with the hot doctor

mookieproof, Saturday, 9 April 2022 04:09 (two years ago) link

So you’re in the third season writers’ room.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 9 April 2022 04:15 (two years ago) link

i thought it had a solid start! but now it needs nothing less than AP reducing the borg queen to reciting the numbers of pi

mookieproof, Saturday, 9 April 2022 04:46 (two years ago) link

the borg queen stuff is def annoying to me

and look i should be first in line for pat benatar fan service but they kept the chorus exactly the same & just changed the arrangement for the verse which annoyed me

also thematically it’s kindof a halfass song choice. If you’re going to go there, GO THERE. just swing for the fences and do a bigband workup of “The Beast In Me” or fkn “Dr Hekyll and Mr Jive” or “Jugband Blues” like what are we really doing here

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 April 2022 04:56 (two years ago) link

if you're gonna go for a 40yo pop song there's no excuse not to go for total eclipse of the heart

mookieproof, Saturday, 9 April 2022 05:05 (two years ago) link

i was going more w split personality theme but ok

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 April 2022 05:11 (two years ago) link

Why would someone in 2024 sing/entertain others with a Pat Benatar song from the 80s was my problem. I know the answer is "our fans are all over 50" but hey ho.

Didnt mind this ep but not a lot progressed.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 9 April 2022 06:14 (two years ago) link

also mookie otm i hate this
oh no, someone is trapped in his own mind by entirely made-up trauma

but in general i still do like this season

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 April 2022 06:56 (two years ago) link

I cannot imagine these series (Disco & Picard) being appealing to newcomers to the franchise.

adam t. (abanana), Saturday, 9 April 2022 14:16 (two years ago) link

I just watched two early, generic DS9 eps in a row — one where Dax trains a floppy-haired 90s Trill with Chandler Bing’s voice, and one where Quark’s old Cardassian girlfriend turns up — and the characters have such soul and depth and wit. I miss that! That dissonance - that’s always been there - between the depth of feeling and the corniness of the presentation - seems even more pronounced, watching them now alongside the new shows.

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 9 April 2022 16:05 (two years ago) link

a major problem i have with this show is that @sirpatstew's solution to playing picard-when-old is being @OLDsirpatstew and just playing picard and i don't think it works

mark s, Saturday, 9 April 2022 16:40 (two years ago) link

"he has an unstable arhythmia, his heart's all over the place"
"what does that mean?"
"it means he's in the middle of a major cardiac event"

thanks doc

mark s, Saturday, 9 April 2022 16:45 (two years ago) link

lmao

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 9 April 2022 17:16 (two years ago) link

Nice twisty little nugget was Dr. Jemison being paged, who is almost surely Mae Jemison, real-life astronaut inspired to become one by TOS and later had a cameo on TNG.

Also, Seven has had experiences with Q(s).

Pomelo Anthony (Leee), Saturday, 9 April 2022 21:24 (two years ago) link

Hahah yeah at the Jemison moment, I was all "Hey wait, is she in this?"

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 9 April 2022 23:02 (two years ago) link

was that a tesla that soong used to run over picard?

presumably by 2024 everyone just shrugs when a tesla runs over a pedestrian due to the frequency

mh, Sunday, 10 April 2022 00:18 (two years ago) link

lol the entire franchise is now contorted to establish musk as someone who matters in its own past history

they shd go back in time and kill baby elon (he's a baby however old he is)

mark s, Friday, 15 April 2022 18:17 (two years ago) link

or we can sit in on jlp's therapy session 🙄

mark s, Friday, 15 April 2022 18:18 (two years ago) link

this deep space narnia shit is childishly bad sorry if this offends

mark s, Friday, 15 April 2022 18:27 (two years ago) link

omg this is boring garbage

mark s, Friday, 15 April 2022 18:53 (two years ago) link

the ending of this episode was so pointless and annoying

i liked the rest of it for the most part but just like, boring contrived earth shenanigans to drag the earth stuff out & fracture the group as much as possible interminably is the worst, i hate it every single time unless there are whales involved

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 April 2022 19:32 (two years ago) link

dragged-out time spent on earth >>>>>>>>>>>> dragged-out time spent in jlp's MIND AS A CHILD >:(

mark s, Friday, 15 April 2022 19:43 (two years ago) link

sorry if thats a spoiler but at least you can don a sleeping cap and get comfy as u watch

https://popicon.life/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/169csbear.jpg

^^^correct posture assumed

mark s, Friday, 15 April 2022 19:45 (two years ago) link

dislike james callis

stop wrinkling your forehead at me dude

mookieproof, Friday, 15 April 2022 20:00 (two years ago) link

lol i will always love baltar, i cannot quit him

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 April 2022 20:53 (two years ago) link

whatsapp conflab re picard

whatsapper 1: Picard has been enormously divisive amongst ST long term investors
whatsapper 1: And hint is that it is full on sliding to derided
mark s: s1 was a silly mess but it was also reasonably exciting
whatsapper 2: S3 of Picard has had a trail announcing basically all of TNG cast except for Wesley in it
whatsapper 3: I thought TNG was The Night Garden for a second which would be much better. Good old MakkaPakka
mark s: i wonder a bit how much my not enjoying it is bcz i am so very spotty in TNG lore (eg there's possibly a big FIRST CONTACT (1996) callback) (as well as to the whale movie). FIRST CONTACT but its the ppl of the night garden wd be a solid twist tbf

mark s, Saturday, 16 April 2022 13:33 (two years ago) link

except the ppl of the night garden are 💯the borg

mark s, Saturday, 16 April 2022 13:34 (two years ago) link

your whatsapp person who thinks Wesley is a character of note in TNG is RONG

mh, Saturday, 16 April 2022 14:18 (two years ago) link

I still think he should come back in one of these damn shows though, he's a fucking time traveller now he can come back to any of them!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 18 April 2022 06:01 (two years ago) link

(and also I do feel bad for how shat on Weaton was by TNG)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 18 April 2022 06:01 (two years ago) link

Roffle

The big satisfying reveal in Picard is going to be that Dr. Soong based his face on a weird head he dug up in San Francisco.

— Ben Lesnick (@banditloaf) April 22, 2022

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 April 2022 16:49 (two years ago) link

raffi sucks so hard. i might even prefer neelix

mookieproof, Friday, 22 April 2022 17:37 (two years ago) link

I don’t MIND her but her whole vibe is Ray Winstone’s character from the fourth Indiana Jones movie, the alleged friend and colleague of many years with a dynamic that forces that issue instead of reflecting it.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 April 2022 17:41 (two years ago) link

i think her being a counterpoint to Seven makes her suckiness even more pronounced

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 22 April 2022 17:50 (two years ago) link

It was kind of dumb, but the scene where Seven tossed a glass bottle on the ground to see what it felt like was funny
‘hmm yeah, that made me feel something. she’s chasing endorphins”

mh, Friday, 22 April 2022 20:03 (two years ago) link

it was but she shd have tossed a second bottle as they left the scene and like shivered or something

mark s, Friday, 22 April 2022 22:29 (two years ago) link

maybe at raffi

mark s, Saturday, 23 April 2022 17:20 (two years ago) link

Q is annoying but he's right abt humans (these ones)

ears pricked up when he said "i prepared myself to be enveloped in the warm glow of memeing" (but he said "meaning", so as you were, the show remains shitpost-free)

mark s, Saturday, 23 April 2022 17:28 (two years ago) link

Should I bother with this season? Seemed like y’all were into it initially… maybe not so much now

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 23 April 2022 19:21 (two years ago) link

I think if you're willing to stop watching after episode 4, maybe, because that seems to be the traditional shark jumping point.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0MrEUR9Cy8M/VDhkUiRqkAI/AAAAAAAAIr4/rAqgy0gJUww/s1600/tumblr_ncy76nQdtG1r87tiqo1_500.gif

Not that the script was much help, but this season is at least teaching me that Brent Spiner is not a very good actor, at least when it comes to drama.

Born Sleeepy (Nuxx) (Leee), Saturday, 23 April 2022 20:24 (two years ago) link

ditto sirpatstew imo :(

mark s, Saturday, 23 April 2022 20:29 (two years ago) link

shouty faustian spiner is ..not great
but i think he’s a good actor normally? having to be a robot for that long surely does something to your sense of the dramatic idk

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 April 2022 23:04 (two years ago) link

i feel like oldpatstew is just being old & delivering lines vs being old & being picard & delivering lines

its a bit like he’s going to ask when’s dinner or when will my granddaughter be visiting etc

i feel mean saying that bc i love him

despite everything i still kinda like this season. it’s not driving me to drink like Discovery did with its feelings

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 23 April 2022 23:07 (two years ago) link

How dare you criticize THE FEELS. (This may explain a certain generational split in the fandom I've noticed, but kinda hoping Strange New Worlds is the sop for the rest of us.)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 23 April 2022 23:34 (two years ago) link

indeed! i am not ashamed to say i am kind of putting all of my hopes on captain pike & crew to do what disco could not. i mean there was so much unpacking they could have charged a per episode copay

we shall see

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 24 April 2022 00:21 (two years ago) link

yeah unfortunately i think sirpatstew may be beyond it at this point. no shame; he is 81 ffs

worried that season 3 will demonstrate that all of them are beyond it

mookieproof, Sunday, 24 April 2022 01:16 (two years ago) link

he is 81 ffs

but the paymasters are still willing to cut the cheque and so... excelsior!

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 24 April 2022 03:52 (two years ago) link

Well that was a lot.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 28 April 2022 19:20 (two years ago) link

why does the BQ consider the word bullshit a "colloquialism", she has assimilated and shares the sensibility of millions who say it all the time

mark s, Friday, 29 April 2022 17:30 (two years ago) link

tbf i wd be traumatised if these twits were my parents

mark s, Friday, 29 April 2022 17:32 (two years ago) link

"BTW didn't I have a brother?"

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 April 2022 17:35 (two years ago) link

I did however appreciate that while I was thinking "Hold on didn't he see his mother in that first season TNG episode?" he then specifically mentions the memories he constructed of her which applied to that very episode.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 April 2022 17:36 (two years ago) link

laris: "think faster jean-luc!"
the viewers: "do everything faster ffs"

mark s, Friday, 29 April 2022 17:40 (two years ago) link

ok well that involved a lot of everyone expaining what love is to everyone else

mark s, Friday, 29 April 2022 18:13 (two years ago) link

it's grief without perseverance

mookieproof, Friday, 29 April 2022 19:48 (two years ago) link

iirc love has been explained enough already by Alannah Myles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQOrMzBewG0

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 April 2022 20:19 (two years ago) link

PICARD s2 (2022) needed more of this energy and wisdom imo

mark s, Friday, 29 April 2022 21:51 (two years ago) link

agree

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 29 April 2022 22:32 (two years ago) link

Well, that was a season finale.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 May 2022 20:59 (two years ago) link

First season, I bailed after 4 episodes. This season, I bailed after 2 episodes. Judging by comments, I made the right decision again.

adam t. (abanana), Thursday, 5 May 2022 21:22 (two years ago) link

i guess i’m glad wil wheaton got thrown a bone — it sounds like he got shafted by rick berman et al back in the day — but watching him act is just painful

mookieproof, Thursday, 5 May 2022 23:05 (two years ago) link

It was, how you say, just enough.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 May 2022 00:49 (two years ago) link

xp fair, but keep that away from my show

also, they divorced it completely from the plot so lol

mh, Friday, 6 May 2022 03:01 (two years ago) link

I will finish it but yeah that episode inside Picard's head urrrrgh

Now I'll admit I've only seen stray TNG but not only does an emotionally repressed Men Would Rather Explore Space Than Go To Therapy Picard feel out of character, surely medical advances would have been sufficient by the time of Picard's childhood that his mum wouldn't have to be kept in some gothic basement because of her depression like it's the 19th century? The show's insistence on portraying Picard's childhood as being the early 20th century drives me up the wall.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 6 May 2022 09:29 (two years ago) link

I'm sorry, but I FEEL VINDICATED I have been banging on about Wesley showing up because he's a traveller in both this and Disco for AGES. I yelped when he showed up.

I found this episode very satisfying!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 6 May 2022 11:27 (two years ago) link

has there ever been a series where people talked so much

mark s, Friday, 6 May 2022 18:23 (two years ago) link

how is there still 15 minutes left, this makes lord of the rings look like itchy and scratchy

mark s, Friday, 6 May 2022 18:26 (two years ago) link

xp clearly you haven't been watching discovery

mookieproof, Friday, 6 May 2022 18:33 (two years ago) link

oh ffs

mark s, Friday, 6 May 2022 18:44 (two years ago) link

Do you not believe in love and hope

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 May 2022 18:49 (two years ago) link

Or something

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 May 2022 18:49 (two years ago) link

The most hilare bit was how cartoonishly bad Soong was being, with his "must I remind you I am exceedingly rich so shut up and do it" routine at the end there.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 7 May 2022 00:30 (two years ago) link

Let us look back in time!

And Wesley would come back from Travellerland, or wherever he ended up? That would be cool.

― trishyb, Monday, March 14, 2022 6:23 PM (one month ago)

recently learned that you used to be a poster i really liked a lot but goddamnit if you summon wesley i will fp you straight to hell

― mookieproof, Monday, March 14, 2022 6:35 PM (one month ago)

(j/k)

― mookieproof, Monday, March 14, 2022 6:35 PM (one month ago)

It's inevitable. I can feel it.

― trishyb, Monday, March 14, 2022 6:41 PM (one month ago)

But IS mookie kidding now

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 7 May 2022 00:46 (two years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/r5nC1nS.jpg

mookieproof, Saturday, 7 May 2022 01:02 (two years ago) link

(i liked wesley coming back)
(plz dont ban me)

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 May 2022 01:52 (two years ago) link

I did too, poo to y'all!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 7 May 2022 04:31 (two years ago) link

rude

anyway i guess he was too busy gallivanting around space/time to prevent talinn, who should have instead just beat the shit out of soong, from haplessly dying. forever lame

mookieproof, Saturday, 7 May 2022 05:00 (two years ago) link

mean while elnor lives :D to surf down an elephant’s trunk one day :D
ughhhhhhhh whyyyy god whyyyy

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 May 2022 05:17 (two years ago) link

The entire concept of the borg and fighting them sometimes feels like such a boondoggle given the Q's could just zap them out of existence. I guess this also explains why Q never shows up in Disco - hes dead by then (who knows wether they knew that a few years back though?)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 7 May 2022 09:09 (two years ago) link

Oh one fleeting thing I am not sure I heard properly - when Q says to JL "even gods have favourites and you happen to be mine", for a moment I swear it looked like Picard was starting to say "wait, youre a go..."

Did I imagine that?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 7 May 2022 09:11 (two years ago) link

was anything picard actually did say fleeting? my answer here is no

mark s, Saturday, 7 May 2022 10:29 (two years ago) link

Everyone on this thread OTM. Finale kind of rallied despite the mid-season slide into silly mediocrity. The desire to not die alone was actually kind of nice and would've been better had that scene not dragged on so long.

For a moment I wondered if the spatial anomaly was Q's corpse finally dissolving after centuries and releasing massive amounts of energy, and that THAT was his surprise gift, not Elnor.

Also also since Picard is housed inside a Soong-bot, I'm assuming he's fully functional.

I guess this also explains why Q never shows up in Disco - hes dead by then (who knows wether they knew that a few years back though?)

There are still other Q, presumably!

Oh one fleeting thing I am not sure I heard properly - when Q says to JL "even gods have favourites and you happen to be mine", for a moment I swear it looked like Picard was starting to say "wait, youre a go..."

Did I imagine that?

I rewatched this scene, and JL only sez, "Q..." before Q cuts him off. Given that the Q/god thing was touched on in "Tapestry," I think it was more poetic license than anything else (though given that he and the Continuum are basically omnipotent, potato/tomato).

Star Trek: Strange New Wordles (Leee), Saturday, 7 May 2022 20:56 (two years ago) link

It must be true

Buddy of mine sent me the season 3 finale script of Picard, and I don't want to give anything away, but (and maybe this is a spoiler) William Shatner makes a triumphant return to kill him.

— Kaleb Horton (@kalebhorton) May 9, 2022

Ned Raggett, Monday, 9 May 2022 20:49 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

I do like seeing McFadden again but this doesn't quite wash away the memory of last season's shortcomings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKvMgjb4U4Y

Judd Apatosaurus (Leee), Monday, 25 July 2022 02:53 (one year ago) link

Help help I’m being tempted https://www.etsy.com/listing/1106877091/antifascist-starfleet-insignia-gold

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 25 July 2022 05:57 (one year ago) link

do it!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 25 July 2022 06:14 (one year ago) link

For $7 why not!

Judd Apatosaurus (Leee), Monday, 25 July 2022 16:36 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o-QBUw8Rf0

It's a good trailer! Maybe they should've stuck to just making those.

Antifa Lockhart (Leee), Friday, 9 September 2022 21:35 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

And then there’s THIS trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo2V1cSVj-w

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 9 October 2022 02:36 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Sub Rosa https://t.co/ANOb7jWrKk

— Terry Matalas (@TerryMatalas) January 21, 2023

mookieproof, Saturday, 21 January 2023 07:40 (one year ago) link

New trailer today but this news sucks:

https://gizmodo.com/dead-space-2023-remake-motive-ea-1850044901

Most of the comments so far are about her Borg Queen role, and she was pretty good as that.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 29 January 2023 21:20 (one year ago) link

Ah, thanks -- small glitch there!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 29 January 2023 23:43 (one year ago) link

Anyway:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw0pg11OzCQ

Ned Raggett, Monday, 30 January 2023 02:06 (one year ago) link

Xp it's kind of a heart stopper since the first two people I googled were Alice Krige and Susanna Thompson.

As for the trailer... I have a mental checklist of ~4 plot devices that I think Trek needs to embargo for a good long while and maybe it's a good sign that the trailer only seems to use one of them.

John Mayer McCheese (Leee), Monday, 30 January 2023 02:39 (one year ago) link

https://www.92ny.org/event/star-trek-picard

Online tickets are for the Talk only. They do not include the screening. Pre-recorded talk will be available on Feb 17 at 6 pm ET.
Join the iconic cast members of Paramount+’s Star Trek: Picard — Patrick Stewart, Michael Dorn, Jonathan Frakes and Gates McFadden — for a special advance screening of the premiere episode of the third and final season of their acclaimed series.
The final season of Picard is the concluding chapter of Jean-Luc Picard’s journey and features the return of his Star Trek: The Next Generation crewmates as they come together in a thrilling conclusion 35 years after The Next Generation first premiered. Following the screening, hear Stewart, Dorn, Frakes, and McFadden talk about revisiting their The Next Generation characters years later, why their stories have proven so durable and creatively fruitful, what Star Trek has meant to them throughout their careers, stories from behind the scenes, and much more.

POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 21:01 (one year ago) link

oh no

mark s, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 21:10 (one year ago) link

Who's acclaiming this show?

Shartreuse (Leee), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 21:59 (one year ago) link

We're here aren't we?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 22:05 (one year ago) link

I thought we were all hate-watching it!

Shartreuse (Leee), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 22:32 (one year ago) link

You'd be surprised!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 7 February 2023 22:51 (one year ago) link

I like Picard! The only bit that annoyed me was that one ep with whatserface in his mind and the whole mad/dead mum story, that was a bit meh.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 7 February 2023 23:41 (one year ago) link

I hope we get at least three more Soongs

I’ll accept Lore as one of them

mh, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 01:59 (one year ago) link

I stand corrected!

I'm on the other side of the fence -- no more secret Soongs please.

Shartreuse (Leee), Saturday, 11 February 2023 01:05 (one year ago) link

i heard there was a secret lore
that spiner played and then leee abhorred
cause you don't really care for more soongs, do you

mookieproof, Saturday, 11 February 2023 01:26 (one year ago) link

lol

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Saturday, 11 February 2023 05:49 (one year ago) link

Lots of promising talk around the new season from those that have seen several episodes.

Cautiously optimistic but I'm taking "on course to be the greatest season of Star Trek ever" with a pinch of salt

groovypanda, Saturday, 11 February 2023 20:05 (one year ago) link

So we're back! Liked it well enough as a good setup episode, couple of things I'm still scratching my chin over. Was bemused that the opening credits were now the closing credits and now in a totally different style, I was kinda liking how the last two seasons' credits went. But as a tribute to the original show, a treat, and clearly all kinds of easter eggs stuffed in there.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 February 2023 02:27 (one year ago) link

mr veg said the opening title was like wrath of khan, same font etc which was interesting

plus lots of stuff packed in that opening scene

all v interesting hope it goes somewhere good

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 February 2023 05:27 (one year ago) link

Is it dropping all in one hit or weekly?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 17 February 2023 05:35 (one year ago) link

weekly i thought

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 February 2023 05:48 (one year ago) link

Weekly as per usual, yeah.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 February 2023 07:32 (one year ago) link

Oh and if you’re missing Alison Pill she’s in that new _Hello Tomorrow!_ series.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 February 2023 07:33 (one year ago) link

TIME TO WATCH PICARD s3 e1

mark s, Saturday, 18 February 2023 19:09 (one year ago) link

feels a bit zippier than s1 and s2

(not a high bar to clear)

mark s, Saturday, 18 February 2023 19:18 (one year ago) link

space has too many bars (they're always poorly lit and nearly empty)

mark s, Saturday, 18 February 2023 19:22 (one year ago) link

acting is when you phrase the clauses like william shatner

mark s, Saturday, 18 February 2023 20:08 (one year ago) link

Space is also poorly lit and nearly empty, fwiw

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Saturday, 18 February 2023 22:44 (one year ago) link

This was fine as kind of dumb action stuff but several things are bugging me about this qua Star Trek.

Starfleet and the people in it are so inept in Picard and Disco -- I know the added drama of TRUST NO ONE and CONSPIRACY OMG, threaded through with TNG-era Starfleet's reputation for bureaucracy, but the number of times these series require circumventing and/or suborning Starfleet officers, all of which happens pathetically easily ("Captain Shaw won't let us go save Beverley, oh I know, let's wait till he falls asleep before we change course, great plan!"), is so trite and lazy. It's the reason why I think Lower Decks/SNW are easily the best of the current crop of shows, because they show Starfleet as actually good at their jobs.
Crusherson speaking with a French Brit accent is supposed to make us think he's JL's, but that's the least interesting/bothersome part of this story. I'm annoyed of characterizing Bev as being this cornered gung ho mom -- can't she be her own character with her own motivations? Subordinating her to her caretaking role is disappointing (but, unfortunately, also very Trek) -- and then she also kills two people? Yeah sure self-defense and MUST PROTECT MY SON whatever, but that also felt like lazy storytelling.
Raffi's handler == Worf, surely? He couldn't resist calling her a warrior.
Mark: How do you feel about them getting the ugly painting out of the way in episode 1?

Of course, this is just one episode, but the fact that it features so many of bugbears (with more yet to come) kind of makes me wary.

Shartreuse (Leee), Sunday, 19 February 2023 01:33 (one year ago) link

let this one marinate for a bit and . . . it sucks

ancient combadges have galaxy-wide reception, and happily this one just happened to be nearby. couldn't possibly purchase/hire a spaceship -- too dangerous! -- so instead we had to half-assedly suborn a starfleet flagship that apparently lacked a transporter or tractor beam when we stole its shuttle. raffi is always terrible, but never moreso than when standing in a dark corner of a target zone and yelling into her tricorder that she's a starfleet spy. obviously her 'handler' is worf but why does she have an anonymous handler who shits on her for being an ex-junkie instead of a supportive superior officer? these dudes went seven seasons with a fluorescently lit bridge and a faux-wooden railing and now every fucking ship thinks it's in a submarine battle? i use dark mode too, but come on. titan captain, who presumably saw his family flayed alive at wolf 359 or something, was just absurd (while also being right). no matter how corrupt we are meant to assume starfleet is (gene rod rolling in his grave, no doubt), there are no captains anywhere with that attitude. and of course we have a callback to captain rachel garrett of the enterprise-c with absolutely no explanation why she's been painted red.

oh did you notice how that one planet is named after the showrunner? how precious!

this shit is like someone threw the memory-alpha source code at a wall and filmed it

mookieproof, Sunday, 19 February 2023 04:35 (one year ago) link

wait i missed that (hidden text) detail ftb snoozing or tweeting, now i have to rewatch lol (oh no)

mark s, Sunday, 19 February 2023 14:00 (one year ago) link

I get that they’re trying to set up all kinds of wild plot devices in one episode, but this was a bit much

I didn’t quite follow the “don’t trust starfleet!” warning leading to Picard deciding the best course of action would be to trick a starfleet captain into taking him close enough to the coordinates. He and Riker were going to be part of the celebration and they didn’t want to mysteriously not show up for that so… yeah, I missed something

mh, Sunday, 19 February 2023 15:13 (one year ago) link

jean-luc in his picardotage

mark s, Sunday, 19 February 2023 15:16 (one year ago) link

you’d think after the last two seasons he’d know at least one person not in starfleet who has a ship, idk

mh, Sunday, 19 February 2023 15:20 (one year ago) link

rewatching to check out the terrible painting i apparently missed last night

the music at the start is making me want a version of this show scripted by dennis potter

mark s, Sunday, 19 February 2023 15:42 (one year ago) link

t'pau yang kipperbang

mark s, Sunday, 19 February 2023 15:45 (one year ago) link

ok lol i have now checked out the very extremely terrible painting

data wd never

mark s, Sunday, 19 February 2023 15:48 (one year ago) link

lol at JLP getting his AI to explain things to him he already knows and then getting cross bcz he already knows them -- scene needs more bing-style hostility from the computer

mark s, Sunday, 19 February 2023 15:53 (one year ago) link

we know this character is bad and stupid bcz he just delivered the dumbest reasons to dislike bebop that anyone in history has so far formulated (including on ilx) and also used the phrase "loosey-goosey"

mark s, Sunday, 19 February 2023 16:22 (one year ago) link

i hate the way these characters have each been turned into a kind glazed ham you the viewer have to repeat-appreciate at tiresome gustatory length and also anyone in the story who doesn't immediately revere them in the same way is marked as despicable or else gets punched

they're idiots and their plan sucks! their confidence in their immense knowledge is misplaced!

mark s, Sunday, 19 February 2023 16:52 (one year ago) link

I can’t even hate watch this, it upsets me too much

meat and two vdgg (emsworth), Monday, 20 February 2023 00:35 (one year ago) link

It's like a man child playing with his still-boxed TNG action figures, all mint.

Also did we ever hear Riker playing or listening to bebop? I only remember trad jazz.

I seem to reveal that an earlier draft of "All Good Things" where the old TNG crew steal the Enterprise to go on Picard's mission but the writers dropped it for being a dopey idea, too bad Q is dead now or else he could've sent someone in time to persuade this show's writers from making the same mistake.

Shartreuse (Leee), Monday, 20 February 2023 03:56 (one year ago) link

Every time Frakes reappears in a "hey the gangs all here" reunion type ep he always has this "hey wow this is great!" shit eating grin that I find really offputting. I dunno if he's had work or something? But his eyebrows are weird now.

I thought I'd enjoyed this episode til you bunch of cynical fucks pooed all over it, so thanks for that everyone :)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 20 February 2023 06:57 (one year ago) link

I don't think I'm being cynical! I just want Trek that's better thought out!

Shartreuse (Leee), Monday, 20 February 2023 13:45 (one year ago) link

i wd term my attitude "quizzical hostility"

mark s, Monday, 20 February 2023 15:54 (one year ago) link

Look tbf some of those issues I agree with. Why can't he just commisssion a non-Federation ship? If its so important they dont involve starfleet why is Seven the first place he went? (well, we know why - so she can be in the show again).

That Titan captain was an utter cunt, but hey Ive worked with people like that so it didn't ring false to me.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 21 February 2023 00:24 (one year ago) link

I am one of like, five people worldwide who really liked the 12 Monkeys tv show so I liked that actor’s cameo

mh, Tuesday, 21 February 2023 01:29 (one year ago) link

I'm one of the other five people worldwide.

Xii, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 01:08 (one year ago) link

more and more of us are here, on ilx. watching Picard!

mh, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 03:29 (one year ago) link

I bailed before the end of the 1st season. Can I skip straight to this one?

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 10:20 (one year ago) link

yes

mookieproof, Wednesday, 22 February 2023 16:34 (one year ago) link

Well THAT was a lot today. As well as having a couple of “you can’t call it foreshadowing when it was all right there” key points.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 February 2023 02:18 (one year ago) link

Is this whole show just going to be the story of how this poor captain keeps getting strong-armed to his eventual doom.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 24 February 2023 02:24 (one year ago) link

Good read that a friend of mine wrote

https://www.emmys.com/news/features/star-trek-picard

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 February 2023 14:01 (one year ago) link

I think they just barely squeaked out the right amount of gravitas in order to sell that wordless interaction at the end of ep3

Kind of an odd juxtaposition with the Raffi plotline that seems to be verbal exposition dump after exposition dump. I’m also having some suspicions about who her anonymous intelligence handler is on the other end of the line

mh, Friday, 24 February 2023 14:17 (one year ago) link

so wait, are British accents supposed to be hereditary now?

H in Addis, Friday, 24 February 2023 14:21 (one year ago) link

xpost uh...you mean a certain scene involving a decapitation didn't make it clear who it was?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 February 2023 14:28 (one year ago) link

xpost And maybe she sent him to prep school and he turned out to be a ne'er-do-well scalawag, thus his various jackanapes

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 February 2023 14:29 (one year ago) link

we're on the run, hiding from everyone, so prep school, great
i really wonder if they'll explain it or just ignore it as stupid casting idea

H in Addis, Friday, 24 February 2023 14:44 (one year ago) link

"Tom Hardy worked that one time, right?" "Well, sorta."

Anyway maybe in the same way Jean-Luc loves his Philip Marlowe scenarios, ol' Jack here may just be addicted to torrid Eton-set romances.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 February 2023 15:28 (one year ago) link

xp at Ned

For some reason I didn't read that as her handler coming in for the rescue, but the dialogue does line up. For some reason I read that as certain character being her backup that she'd maybe arranged, but that makes less sense!

mh, Friday, 24 February 2023 15:53 (one year ago) link

iirc the romulan sister in season one was an american actress they made do a britishes accent

mookieproof, Friday, 24 February 2023 16:57 (one year ago) link

dr beverley crusher two for two when it comes to exceedingly annoying sons

mark s, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:22 (one year ago) link

ha

H in Addis, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:39 (one year ago) link

capt shaw otm tbh

mark s, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:47 (one year ago) link

also hi H!

mark s, Friday, 24 February 2023 19:52 (one year ago) link

hi mark s!

H in Addis, Friday, 24 February 2023 20:11 (one year ago) link

Looking forward to future episodes where Raffi can interact with other characters. Carrying those scenes on her own has been rough to watch.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Friday, 24 February 2023 20:42 (one year ago) link

Can someone explain why Picard decided Jack was his son? I had the same thoght as H - is the accent hereditary? Was it just a "oh, hes a rougue like I was in my youth, weeping in butchers shops"? I guess he couldve done the maths and figured out the last time he was with Bev?

A building that massive is destroyed in one foul swoop and only 117 ppl are killed? Seems like a spot where thered be hundreds of people?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 24 February 2023 23:34 (one year ago) link

why would a close associate presumably have sex with you and then disappear and not talk to you for twenty years? I mean, that happens to me but we’re talking about Picard in this thread

maybe it was just awkward but idk it doesn’t take much to connect the dots there, unless Picard was senile before they uploaded him and had forgotten sex with Crusher. more like crushed him, right?

mh, Friday, 24 February 2023 23:59 (one year ago) link

iirc one of the threads in the TNG series finale had picard and crusher getting married and divorced . . . but the resolution meant that that never actually happened, right?

mookieproof, Saturday, 25 February 2023 00:28 (one year ago) link

presumably! it was kind of their possible reality shot, but we get to the movies and Picard, him sad man with no nephew anymore and no kids

the funniest thing they could do but never would, because it’s bad fanfic, is Beverly used Shinzon dna to artificially make a son. and he comes out as mini-Tom Hardy

mh, Saturday, 25 February 2023 01:48 (one year ago) link

pretty funny the last time they saw each other was Star Trek: Nemesis, right?

mh, Saturday, 25 February 2023 01:48 (one year ago) link

tbh i feel like none of the movies should be canon

mookieproof, Saturday, 25 February 2023 02:15 (one year ago) link

wait why are we calling this twerp "mini-tom hardy"

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/002/825/33d.gif

mark s, Saturday, 25 February 2023 12:06 (one year ago) link

“you think picardness is your ally… but you merely adopted the picard”

mark s, Saturday, 25 February 2023 12:10 (one year ago) link

i think i blanked out the movies after V maybe?

i've seen them all, even in theaters till VI def

had to go google tom hardy being in them, zero recollection

H in Addis, Saturday, 25 February 2023 12:35 (one year ago) link

tom hardy in star trek: nemesis

https://i.imgur.com/LNtxOh2.png

mark s, Saturday, 25 February 2023 12:50 (one year ago) link

nada

western?

rewatch i guess

H in Addis, Saturday, 25 February 2023 13:04 (one year ago) link

Insurrection was the TNG movie that I flat-out didn’t like, but it did bring up the idea that factions within the Federation were up to some shady shit. The execution was just insanely corny.

Insurrection was not well-executed but introduced actual changes in the status quo (Troi and Riker get married, Riker leaves to command his own ship at the end, Data’s dead) and the Picard writers have been leaning on those plot points

mh, Saturday, 25 February 2023 14:18 (one year ago) link

Obviously I meant to type Nemesis at the beginning of that second paragraph oops

mh, Saturday, 25 February 2023 14:21 (one year ago) link

I miss when Starfleet wasn't filled with incompetent functionaries.

Shartreuse (Leee), Saturday, 25 February 2023 22:39 (one year ago) link

I rewatched the movies in the last couple of weeks.

None of them were great but Insurrection was particularly bad. Felt like it should have just been a two parter of TNG rather than a movie that had an actual theatrical release.


.

groovypanda, Saturday, 25 February 2023 22:56 (one year ago) link

I did like the Ferengi, just the right level of scenery chewing without falling into cliche or racist caricature.

Shartreuse (Leee), Saturday, 25 February 2023 23:09 (one year ago) link

that was the dude from the 12 Monkey’s tv series which i v much enjoyed

yeah he did great in this i thought!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 February 2023 23:13 (one year ago) link

the ferengi facial prosthetic change could have used more ridges, but was otherwise a great update!

mh, Sunday, 26 February 2023 05:08 (one year ago) link

so far, raffi plot thread very similar to the stinky discovery s1 finale.

formerly abanana (dat), Sunday, 26 February 2023 06:22 (one year ago) link

Agreed on the Ferengi! The one thing I found off about DS9 was Quark and co. I know thats the whole idea, but the sexist money grubbing comedy gurning was offputting for me. Esp Wallace Shawn's Grand Nagus, it felt like he was playing it for laughs.

This guy had genuine mercenary malice, I liked it.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 26 February 2023 08:21 (one year ago) link

I hated the Quark episodes when I was a kid but have been enjoying them on the rewatch. In a way perhaps Quark is the most relatable adult on the show? And maybe my sense of humour has gotten broader in middle age

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 26 February 2023 09:25 (one year ago) link

The Grand Nagus was meant to be extremely offputting imo

skeezy man who unabashedly is a proponent of capitalism, isn’t actually that great at it, and somehow ends up being the leader? could never happen irl

mh, Sunday, 26 February 2023 16:02 (one year ago) link

Why would the Federation still have “junkies”?

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 27 February 2023 05:48 (one year ago) link

Well they made a Blade Runner planet, gotta have junkies there I guess.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 February 2023 06:00 (one year ago) link

all that shit floating around in the air at that club i wanted people to be randomly sneezing or like waving it out of their face etc

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 27 February 2023 06:52 (one year ago) link

And maybe she sent him to prep school and he turned out to be a ne'er-do-well scalawag, thus his various jackanapes

― Ned Raggett, Friday, February 24, 2023 6:29 AM (six days ago)

FUCKING fuck.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 March 2023 01:46 (one year ago) link

yuuuup

friends are iffy about the actual enemy reveal, but I felt like the overall federation threat from that series never quite had its due. very creepy!

mh, Friday, 3 March 2023 02:18 (one year ago) link

if the plot threads, it’d be really funny if they targeted Picard as one of the few dudes who would notice ~that threat~

mh, Friday, 3 March 2023 02:20 (one year ago) link

Rather!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 3 March 2023 05:05 (one year ago) link

idk i’m kinda excited for this storyline now

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 3 March 2023 05:46 (one year ago) link

So are we going for Dominion war II ? I thought this ep was weak, but was stoked to see changelings!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 3 March 2023 09:39 (one year ago) link

nah, I think it’s going to be messier and weirder than that

mh, Friday, 3 March 2023 14:20 (one year ago) link

They really should have shaved junior's head instead of going with the accent.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 3 March 2023 22:08 (one year ago) link

I think it's going to be much more banal, similar to how they made the Borg boring. Like, oh great, yet another rogue faction that wants to kill humans, which completely throws away the uncanniness of the Great Link. Whatever happened to "the drop becomes the ocean, and the ocean becomes the drop"? All my clamoring for the rest of Trek top acknowledge the stuff that happened in DS9 and this is what we get? Maybe they'll pull something interesting out of this thread but I doubt it.

Starting to think Bev warned against trusting SF not because she suspected a mole but because they're now staffed by incompetents. All that time they spent in the nebula and they didn't even try to come up with a decent plan. Can't believe this show is making me miss deus ex machina technobabble!

Shartreuse (Leee), Sunday, 5 March 2023 05:17 (one year ago) link

can't argue with that at all

a) i don't care about the kid
b) i don't care that he's picard's kid
c) i don't care that bev has hidden (this 33yo actor) from picard
d) might be rude to yield the kid to amanda plummer in an effort to save the other 500 people on the titan, but also i don't care
e) i resent shaw being written as an incredible asshole when he was correct
f) i resent picard being written as manic attack guy just to create conflict with riker, who was correct
g) i don't care about rafi, or the resurfacing of rafi's addictive nature as a plot point. although if worf keeps calling her rafaela i will inevitably cave
h) oh no a ~biological~ gravity well! certainly no one has ever encountered that before!

never got a good look at amanda plummer's crew, but they certainly *sound* like the insectoid xindi from enterprise. that's no doubt a bit much to cram in whilst honoring every other possible tangent tho

mookieproof, Sunday, 5 March 2023 07:11 (one year ago) link

They must be stretching out the plot again because vintage Trek would've used the biological gravity well this episode instead of what I'm guessing will be the next to make their escape.

Nu Trek largely seems content on cherry-picking only the high level lore established in previous series (the Dominion War), and ignoring the finer details that made the world alive (the Bajoran officer saying God instead of the Prophets).

Shartreuse (Leee), Sunday, 5 March 2023 15:48 (one year ago) link

Thing I'm keeping in mind here re all plot shenanigans is that the trailers revealed we're getting Moriarty back at some point.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 March 2023 17:11 (one year ago) link

I think mookie and I are mind-melded because I thought Riker was happy that Jack (btw why would Bev name him after her other husband?) went to sickbay because that meant getting JL off the bridge.

Shartreuse (Leee), Sunday, 5 March 2023 17:36 (one year ago) link

medical science has gone way downhill in the last 3 decades, huh. the scanner can't even detect internal bleeding. they've gone back to defibrillators to treat arrhythmia.

bring back the salt shaker

formerly abanana (dat), Monday, 6 March 2023 03:28 (one year ago) link

I did find that whole scene odd, when the other Dr got snotty at Beverley as if she had no clue how to doctor. Something about "things change a lot in 20 years". Really lady?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 6 March 2023 05:30 (one year ago) link

the trailers revealed we're getting Moriarty back at some point

and lore too, right? i fear the worst

honestly just give me worf, son of mogh, house of martok, solving mysteries

mookieproof, Monday, 6 March 2023 06:29 (one year ago) link

i’d settle for Barclay and call it good

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 6 March 2023 06:51 (one year ago) link

Okay the new one is the honest to god best episode of the season, maybe of this whole series.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 March 2023 21:32 (one year ago) link

Episode 4 has been the shark-jumping point for the first two seasons, maybe they decided to flip that trend on its head?

Shartreuse (Leee), Thursday, 9 March 2023 22:08 (one year ago) link

Some of the old TNG magic came back when they had actors retelling dramatic events rather than clumsily showing it, which was directly contrasted to them clumsily showing dramatic events in the same episode.

I'm down for Lone Worf and Cub spinoff.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 9 March 2023 22:11 (one year ago) link

Lone Worf & Q’uhb, perhaps?

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 9 March 2023 22:50 (one year ago) link

"You're only ever really as good as those around you" -- sums up Picard the TV show pretty well

This two-parter was very BSG remake season 1 and that's a good thing to imitate.

formerly abanana (dat), Friday, 10 March 2023 01:04 (one year ago) link

It was nice to see another mid-season arc conclusion. Star Trek seemed to forget about it after Disco S1.

formerly abanana (dat), Friday, 10 March 2023 01:44 (one year ago) link

nice callback to voyager with the 'we can literally harness energy from space mom's contractions but the holodeck is untappable'

mookieproof, Friday, 10 March 2023 13:47 (one year ago) link

"did you just.... throw an asteroid at them?!" was a great line.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 11 March 2023 09:15 (one year ago) link

Wow we almost got a CRAZY deep cut...but I have always wondered:

https://gizmodo.com/star-trek-picard-season-3-changelings-conspiracy-tng-1850214543

But while the Changelings were an early part of Matalas’ plans for season 3, for a brief moment they were almost replaced by another hidden Star Trek villain, this time directly from Picard’s roots in TNG—the parasitic bugs from the infamous season 1 episode “Conspiracy.” In that episode, Picard and Riker uncover a plot by a race of alien bugs to infiltrate Starfleet command, burrowing into their unfortunate hosts and killing them, puppeting them in secret. Which was, for Matalas, the problem with bringing them back.

“I do like the conspiracy bugs, I did consider for a hot minute, the conspiracy bugs,” Matalas continued. “The issue with the conspiracy bugs is they kill their host. So that would mean anyone that you saw with a bug in them was dead, and you wouldn’t be able to do the paranoia thriller that you wanted to do if it was somebody you loved, that meant they were dead. So there (were) about three storylines I couldn’t do without killing legacy characters.”

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 11 March 2023 18:20 (one year ago) link

did I, for a moment, wonder during the interrogation of that guy at the hands of Worf and Raffi if that was going to be the reveal? maaaaybe

how funny would it have been if instead of looking sick and then being revealed as a changeling, we got one of those bugs bursting from the guy’s chest Alien-style

mh, Saturday, 11 March 2023 18:59 (one year ago) link

Side question - does watching this season spoil the end (or parts) of DS9? I’m only on season 3!

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 11 March 2023 20:02 (one year ago) link

not so far

mookieproof, Saturday, 11 March 2023 21:37 (one year ago) link

Oh wow, so the nubbins _WERE_ considered as the Star Fleet conspiracy. The hosts of the Greatest Generation/Trek podcast would be so proud their jokey prediction was more accurate than expected

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 11 March 2023 22:04 (one year ago) link

Having only just finished watching DS9 in toto I found it helped. But I dont think its neccesary.

The pot thing bugged me though. That always seemed like an Odo-specific item, I dont see why another rogue changeling (I assume, one of the ones released like Odo was years earlier to "explore"?) would have the same kind of pot, given they all usually live in the Link, and the outliers... dont even know what they are initially if DS9's anything to go on?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 12 March 2023 06:37 (one year ago) link

indeed. and even odo -- who didn't know what he was, and therefore couldn't have known to create a special pot -- could at a pinch, liquidate himself in the . . . embrace of a friendly betazoid

mookieproof, Sunday, 12 March 2023 06:53 (one year ago) link

It also bugged me that Seven found it so quickly hidden in a compartment!? I mean the titan is a fucking huge ship with multiple levels.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 12 March 2023 07:02 (one year ago) link

i realize that i'm complaining a lot and i don't really *mean* to do that

but!

if these producers are masterful enough to pull out changelings plus the rumored moriarty and/or lore, they should be better about the other, perhaps 'smaller' things that seem off

mookieproof, Sunday, 12 March 2023 07:18 (one year ago) link

surely when Odo went back to the great link he shared his knowledge of the specific model of small bucket that serves as the perfect changeling resting vessel and they’re all replicating it when they visit the federation

mh, Sunday, 12 March 2023 14:23 (one year ago) link

Agreed that this was a good episode but it took a lot of exasperation to set the characters up on the chessboard in a way to make the story work, the most anti-Trek example of which is making Shaw an anti-Borg bigot who thinks little of dead naming 7. I'm not a "no conflict in Starfleet, ever" purist but you can make a jerk Trek captain (Jellico 4ever) without making him a stupid goon.

Shartreuse (Leee), Sunday, 12 March 2023 16:59 (one year ago) link

Whew...and I thought *last* week was good.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 March 2023 20:16 (one year ago) link

Yeah this was a great episode. I think I can see where things are panning out now, though Ive been wrong plenty before!

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 16 March 2023 20:26 (one year ago) link

And we still have some key characters yet to surface! I do have half a guess myself but yeah I'm just content to let this play out some.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 March 2023 21:14 (one year ago) link

Great guest star this episode. I didn't expect how good that character resolution was.

I can read the changelings Conspiracy as being a meta-commentary on how the people running Trek behind the scenes are completely different now, resulting in Trek series that feel like imposters.

formerly abanana (dat), Friday, 17 March 2023 16:06 (one year ago) link

agree this was a pretty great episode

loved the guest reveal, and the storyline fitted them well i thought

can worf just kill rafi now
i’m still incredibly tired of her

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 March 2023 18:34 (one year ago) link

Worf needs Raffi around so he can do his Weird Dad Worf thing.

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 17 March 2023 19:02 (one year ago) link

:/

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 17 March 2023 19:26 (one year ago) link

fantastic guest but we should have gotten more

mookieproof, Saturday, 18 March 2023 02:51 (one year ago) link

although i have to say that said guest having rejoined starfleet feels unlikely to me

mookieproof, Saturday, 18 March 2023 02:54 (one year ago) link

https://www.memorygongs.com/worf_bloodloss.png

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 18 March 2023 03:16 (one year ago) link

farkn why cant I post any images succesfully lately.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 18 March 2023 03:16 (one year ago) link

agree re unlikelihood

H in Addis, Saturday, 18 March 2023 08:07 (one year ago) link

they're not making it easy for themselves having to compress 20 years of backstory of what happened to Ro in 30 seconds of dialogue but amnesty for any maquis left after getting butchered in the dominion war who are willing to use guerrilla tactics against the Cardassian-Founder axis under some black ops section 31 shenanigans seems plausible enough but the writing doesn't really sell it, being 3/4 baked (which is still an improvement over how half-baked most of the earlier seasons were).

Philip Nunez, Saturday, 18 March 2023 22:00 (one year ago) link

Yes that was my only issue - i guess we're still spoilerizing this are we Picard makes it clear he has Had It with Ro, she's dead to him because of what she did, he seems quite bitter about it in fact (and I have to be honest I don't recall her leaving TNG being THAT acrimonious?). Then she turns him around completely in one quick conversation? I get they had to speed things along but it was a little wham-bam.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 18 March 2023 23:16 (one year ago) link

oh, i don't doubt that starfleet might ultimately take ro back -- i mean two seasons ago a romulan spy was their chief of intelligence; their security is historically awful. i just don't think *she* would do it, particularly when a free bajor needed rebuilding

the whole interaction was necessarily speedy, but i do buy the general sense of it. he really liked and respected (at least??) her in TNG and was torn up when she defected. it's kind of funny how riker, who actually hooked up with her and later sympathized with her defection, was left out of it, but i guess the show isn't called 'riker'. (also beggars belief that these starfleet legends were unaware of her return while she built her career back up to commander, but whatevs)

mookieproof, Saturday, 18 March 2023 23:37 (one year ago) link

Despite myself and the narrative whiplash and what is imo still kind of a boilerplate story, I agree that this was a genuinely good episode. They even made Worf an interesting character! To Mookie's last point, she said that she even went to the media, yet somehow Picard and Riker were still blindsided by her resilience.

Shartreuse (Leee), Sunday, 19 March 2023 06:36 (one year ago) link

Also, I'm really torn about how quickly Ro got reintroduced and disposed of, like was Michelle Forbes' availability limited to a one episode guest shot? In which case the slack dithering of the first 3-4 episodes feels a lot more egregious.

Shartreuse (Leee), Sunday, 19 March 2023 22:35 (one year ago) link

i def agree w that, it felt like too good of a “get” to be one and done.

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 March 2023 22:37 (one year ago) link

I don’t know if I’ll continue to enjoy it if it stretches further, but the “revelation” that Picard was never this stoic figure, that he was very emotionally involved in his crew and his relationship to them, plays pretty well. Old man in his dotage, maybe. I thought for a minute that Picard and ~spoiler character~ were being implied as having a deeper bond offscreen, but I think it’s shown in the TNG episodes that he felt tested!

It’s not really revisionist per se, but just showing us what it meant to be Captain Jean-Luc Picard. They had to stick to the character and only show brief cracks or absolutely break him (see: Locutus) to make him fallible, and now we’re just getting all cracks

mh, Sunday, 19 March 2023 22:58 (one year ago) link

^^^ it was interesting and well-done to see the contrast between picard's interaction with sisko re: wolf 359 in the DS9 premiere (instantly went stiff and icy) vs. that with shaw last episode (sad but no excuses)

mookieproof, Sunday, 19 March 2023 23:05 (one year ago) link

otm

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 March 2023 23:38 (one year ago) link

they should throw a wrinkle in it and make it canon that Picard disliked Wesley, though

mh, Sunday, 19 March 2023 23:45 (one year ago) link

it's not?

mookieproof, Sunday, 19 March 2023 23:53 (one year ago) link

I just want to hear someone say his name and see Picard noticeably grimace

mh, Sunday, 19 March 2023 23:55 (one year ago) link

they did the facepalm this episode. they could do "shut up wesley" too.

formerly abanana (dat), Monday, 20 March 2023 00:25 (one year ago) link

So episode 6 is another memberberry festival, like s3e1. Moriarty turned out to be another unexplained callback instead of a main villain.

I think Worf has said he's a pacifist in every episode he's been in. You'd think at least one writer would notice that the word isn't being used correctly.

formerly abanana (dat), Thursday, 23 March 2023 13:26 (one year ago) link

There's something gross and unsettling about Picard's casual way of strip-mining fan nostalgia when
they literally have Kirk's corpse on display in a CIA Section 31 museum and if it ends up being actually intentional self-hating meta-commentary from the writer's room, I am down with it!

Philip Nunez, Friday, 24 March 2023 16:40 (one year ago) link

Also digging Plummer's power move in refusing to pronounce Picard anglo-style.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 24 March 2023 16:44 (one year ago) link

As I was saying on FB, they take Kirk's skeleton to the Enterprise-A, pose it in the captain's chair and take selfies with it -- "Hanging with the legend!"

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2023 17:11 (one year ago) link

Also digging Plummer's power move in refusing to pronounce Picard anglo-style.

Ha yeah that made me giggle. "Picarrrrr"

Some thoughts:
- Moriarty was basically just a security key aka fanservice cameo? Were we meant to think Sec31 set him up or he just decided to protecc the archive himself, like why would he use a melody only Riker would know?
- I kept thinking that I didn't like how the changelings goo looks now (lol not that it looked good in DS9), but it occurs to me now that it looks bad because it looks... diseased. On Reddit someone speculated that maybe they never quite cured everyone, and the disease mutated so they effectively banished the incurable from the greater Link, and its those changelings who are bitter and want revenge. Who knows, but its a theory I like!
- on this note, might we see the return of the breen? I doubt the Vorta will reappear. Though lol - good excuse for an Iggy cameo.
- the ref to a hangar where Geordie cuts his daughter off, is speculated thats the Ent-D being repaired, and that'll come into play because now clearly they need a ship that isnt networked to the compromised fleet.
- Expected Spiner to put on the schizopersonality thing, and we were clearly informed - TWICE - that the bot has "all the personalites unintegrated in there". So it was annoying when he shifted to a clearly Lore expression and said "I'm Lore!" ffs

- "We will not be prey. We will be ... friendly energy."

"I don't understand the world anymore."

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 24 March 2023 23:37 (one year ago) link

i definitely was left a tad deflated by this ep vs the last one

but i do love the thread of family dynamics running through this season, like Geordi’s admission that as a dad he’s now fearful for his daughter over circumstances he himself would have embraced as a young crewmember - even just having him at odds with her is interesting to watch

and 7 talking about her Voyager family was v moving

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 March 2023 03:00 (one year ago) link

Yeah "I was reborn there" was lovely.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 25 March 2023 03:33 (one year ago) link

and it led to our Voyager rewatch skipping to season 4 so we can watch her arc :D

which i only partly saw once so i am excite to revisit

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 25 March 2023 04:06 (one year ago) link

When Sooong started talking about embracing the future I thought they were going to blow up all the old relics. Go full Last Jedi on them. But no, they were just there for nostalgia.

formerly abanana (dat), Saturday, 25 March 2023 12:45 (one year ago) link

Thought parts of the latest were too crammed with so-so zings, which compounds the wonky pacing of this season. I wish they spent more time fleshing out Sydney's character more before this episode because she's kind of been a plot device before now and her actor still seems a little tentative.

Shartreuse (Leee), Sunday, 26 March 2023 00:27 (one year ago) link

Loved the clips show style callback to the actual TNG 'Shades of Grey' clips show episode.
(that was a tough sentence to write)

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 30 March 2023 22:19 (one year ago) link

If it hadn’t been posted here yet, there’s a fun interview with Jonathan Frakes that Tawny Newsome and Paul F Thomkins did on the official Rod cast

https://www.audacy.com/podcast/star-trek-the-pod-directive-a7faf/episodes/the-actors-director-with-jonathan-frakes-1d9b7

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 30 March 2023 22:55 (one year ago) link

I remembered that the whistling clip had been used before. Had to look up that it was in Shades of Grey. It was also mentioned in one of the movies. Kind of weird that this season is so focused on season 1 of TNG, then skips ahead to the DS9 stories.

Episode 7: Was it coincidence that Jack got telepathic powers right after Troi was kidnapped? Also, kind of silly that the changelings just figured out that they can pretend to be a floor, something Odo did all the time on DS9.

formerly abanana (dat), Friday, 31 March 2023 04:22 (one year ago) link

thumbs down on the telepathy oof

but otherwise v intense
plummer is so good!

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 31 March 2023 06:05 (one year ago) link

Will admit, nice to see that happen towards the end of this one.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 April 2023 20:17 (one year ago) link

should have happened 4 episodes ago

formerly abanana (dat), Friday, 7 April 2023 02:29 (one year ago) link

My biggest takeaway from this ep: WTF is going on with Deannas accent? She isn't even trying to do it!?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 7 April 2023 08:01 (one year ago) link

But that aside:

- really wondering re pa-wraiths now
- started singing "reeed door, whats that secret you're keeepinnng" at the end
- presume frozen changeling shattered into pieces is not gonna... recombobulate, right?
- DataLore is going to be a problem later, right?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 7 April 2023 08:06 (one year ago) link

if vadic’s boss is a pah-wraith we had damn well better get a sisko appearance

i feel like everything can be better explained by jack being, rather than picard’s son, that of the scottish candle ghost

mookieproof, Friday, 7 April 2023 10:53 (one year ago) link

also the PREVIOUSLY ON title makes me irrationally angry

mookieproof, Friday, 7 April 2023 10:57 (one year ago) link

deanna joking about being space-raped by a changeling was kind of odd, no? it's beverly who's into that stuff

formerly abanana (dat), Friday, 7 April 2023 11:25 (one year ago) link

also the PREVIOUSLY ON title makes me irrationally angry

Yeah, disappointed they didn’t use a clip of Majel Barrett’s voice

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 7 April 2023 23:05 (one year ago) link

Clearly this episode was written by a cat person.

As meh as I am about a lot of this, I am enjoying this new version of Worf.

Shartreuse (Leee), Saturday, 8 April 2023 21:28 (one year ago) link

loved his line about sending each of the crew the heads of his enemies

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 8 April 2023 21:42 (one year ago) link

So much of this particular season is about parents and children, isn’t it

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 8 April 2023 22:30 (one year ago) link

You mean like last season?

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 8 April 2023 22:35 (one year ago) link

kind of like the title "The Next Generation"

formerly abanana (dat), Saturday, 8 April 2023 23:33 (one year ago) link

This season has done a good job of pretending that previous seasons of Picard don't exist, then addressing the continuity issues a few episodes later. e.g. finally acknowledging that Picard is a synthetic, or that Data wanted to be dead.

formerly abanana (dat), Saturday, 8 April 2023 23:43 (one year ago) link

‘somehow, data returned’

mookieproof, Sunday, 9 April 2023 06:39 (one year ago) link

Well that was a heck of a rabbit to pull out of the hat.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 April 2023 20:00 (one year ago) link

Some really funny lines in this one!

[h]"I hope we die quickly!" killed me.

"Obviously, we can't use the Enterprise-E" "That was NOT my fault!"
- this one I laughed at but didnt get, and turns out its a Prodigy reference so no wonder.

Didn't twig this til I had a squiz at Reddit but someone pointed out Ro was avoiding transporters when she showed up, I guess we know why now! (not to say she knew per se, just that something was wrong)[/h]

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:03 (one year ago) link

oh ffs, I had ALL of that in the hide tags, sorry

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:04 (one year ago) link

Tried to fix the tags but didn't work. Hmm. (Also you were using HTML formatting originally I think?)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:12 (one year ago) link

no i used a [ h ] then a [ /h ] I think it doesnt like para breaks?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:22 (one year ago) link

Thank fuck I didnt include my really spoilry comment, so I'll do that here.

If Kriege is back as the Borg Queen is this intentional or out of neccesity bcs of the other actor's death?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:23 (one year ago) link

They're packing a lot in each episode but also wasting a lot of minutes reiterating to the audience what we were shown in exactly the previous scene.
At the same time, if they're going to tie in last season's socially awkward rogue borg alliance as a deus ex they're being pretty negligent in not setting that up, almost conspicuously so.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:32 (one year ago) link

I'm struggling to recall last season - Jurati became a (not THE?) queen, and then what happened? was that just all an alt timeline that doesnt count cos it was a Q fuckup and they fixed it?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:35 (one year ago) link

Last season did seem like a setup for a future resolution but it's bizarrely unclear whether this supposed final season of Picard is part of it.

Also, they're really casually killing characters off left and right at a real finger-snapping pace. At this rate, they'll probably kill Data off two or three times during the finale.

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:39 (one year ago) link

So if I haven't seen any of these and can now access them, can/should I start with season 3?

change display name (Jordan), Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:45 (one year ago) link

I want to say yes bcs it feels like S3 is a bit seperate, more fanservicey too. But there is some stuff in S1-2 that happens that S3 will be confusing if you dont know.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:52 (one year ago) link

Even though a lot of the show is written as if it's really inconvenient to them that S1 & S2 happened, if there are any good 5 minute season-summary videos, I would recommend watching those before S3.
Also, if you haven't seen DS9, a brief summary of that might be in order as well.

A lot of prereqs for this course!

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 13 April 2023 23:53 (one year ago) link

Oh right Voyager as well. I'd lay 2:1 odds we get a Janeway appearance, something that they actually did take the trouble to leave multiple breadcrumbs for.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 14 April 2023 00:01 (one year ago) link

I haven't seen S1 or S2 either, but jumped into S3 easily with a few minutes of Memory Alpha reading.

You would think that Starfleet would have given up on all-encompassing control systems after the M-5 incident... Section 31 naming their black site after M-5's creator is perverse, even for them.

I wonder how often the carpeting needs to be replaced on Galaxy-class bridges?

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 14 April 2023 00:31 (one year ago) link

LOL when Picard said "you know what I missed" re the carpet, I said "WESLEY" at the screen.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 14 April 2023 01:27 (one year ago) link

I just kept thinking "I wonder if Geordi replaced the broken dome over the captain's chair with something tinted."

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 April 2023 01:39 (one year ago) link

I thought this twist was a possibility when I first saw Jack's vine dream (being something like Picard's Borg dream in First Contact) but I dismissed it as too stupid for the show. Oh well.

formerly abanana (dat), Friday, 14 April 2023 02:42 (one year ago) link

I was expecting the Borg bcs I could swear we'd discussed that here but I must've seen that on Reddit I guess. I'm still a little unclear on the changelings/Vadiks role here. Organic borgs they were saying? If they'd been able to infect everyone under 25 who used a transporter (lol what a deus ex) then what was the point of the changelings? given everything else this season was TNG, that now feels out of place. Perhaps I missed something in all that exposition.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 14 April 2023 03:20 (one year ago) link

Ha, Memory Alpha has already been updated with spoilers

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 14 April 2023 03:37 (one year ago) link

Also, yeah, this season has been weirdly paced. They’re doing some reveals that seem like you’d want an additional episode or more to chew on

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 14 April 2023 03:39 (one year ago) link

A lot of the fanservice winks are a little too ham-handed (and I echo Philip's sentiment), but seeing the bridge and hearing Majel Barrett's voice gave an actual thrill.

That said, I was hoping that the red door thing WASN'T Borg-related, because post-BOBW Borg stories, especially those involving the Queen, have generally resulted in middling Trek, and Picard's writers are bad at Trek, and as it turns out two wrongs do not make a right. Also, is Jack the Borg Prince?

I have the same questions as Trayce. If it turns out that the motivation was just petty vengeance, MEH. Also, is Vadik's boss a reconstituted Borg Queen?

Shartreuse (Leee), Saturday, 15 April 2023 20:06 (one year ago) link

Great story about how they put this together (I'm assuming everyone at least knows this much by now):

https://variety.com/2023/artisans/news/star-trek-picard-enterprise-d-bridge-set-1235580496/

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 April 2023 17:57 (one year ago) link

Another thing that bothers me about this season's spate of cameos is that they just bring characters back to kill them off, which is really kind of selfish and I dunno, lazy? Selfish because now they're effectively off-limits to other series )(unless there are more secret Soongs with synth bodies that they could get downloaded into), while we have Data killed off three times and Picard once. Lazy because they're barely integrated into the plot beyond, "Hey, here's someone who was on the show 30 years ago, love it, nerds." Shelby could've been anyone, aside from the one line that does a LOT of heavy lifting to remark on how out-of-character the whole dumb plan was. Also not a great look that the ones who've been killed have been women, assuming that Shelby is indeed dead.

Shartreuse (Leee), Monday, 17 April 2023 17:46 (one year ago) link

No one's ever truly dead in this show while the Q exist tbh.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 17 April 2023 23:32 (one year ago) link

From pop culture journalist and overall good egg (he was the guy behind the excellent Random Roles column for AV Club) Will Harris with this just now:

Just watched a screener of the series finale of PICARD in preparation for a chat with showrunner Terry Matalas tomorrow and...wow.
That's all you get. Just...wow.

Could mean anything!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 April 2023 00:21 (one year ago) link

I should add I was able to get IMAX tickets for the Wednesday night screening here in SF so bring it on.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 April 2023 00:21 (one year ago) link

Just started watching, from S1, nice to have on whilst working and eating easter eggs.

But S2 started off with a doom scene and then jumped to a "48 hours earlier" made me want to vomit all my chocolate up.

Ste, Wednesday, 19 April 2023 14:50 (one year ago) link

S2 was a mess all the way thru imo

Laurie Anderson’s Singing Bowl Migraine Orchestra (Hunt3r), Thursday, 20 April 2023 00:05 (one year ago) link

Well that was lovely. And a nice live chat after too.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 April 2023 04:23 (one year ago) link

I didn't care for the main conflict -- fate of the galaxy stories tend to go the way you suspect, not to mention that picard's decisions were questionable, or that selected protagonists can now opt out of the borg hivemind -- but i liked the afterward.

formerly abanana (dat), Thursday, 20 April 2023 12:53 (one year ago) link

idk -- i didn't hate it, but also it was pretty lame. the shaw arc could not possibly have been more predictable. jack magically absconding with a shuttle, and jack *wanting* to find the borg, and jack magically *finding* the borg was all absurd. if only all those millions of people assimilated by the borg had had a kickass dad!

appreciate the confirmation that it literally takes just seven people -- or merely one, if it's bev -- to run a starship

as for the mid-credits scene -- i would totally watch seven running a ship. i can vaguely envision being interested in Q despite them having done nothing good with him in 30 years. could not give less of a shit about jack

mookieproof, Friday, 21 April 2023 05:31 (one year ago) link

anything stemming from this absolutely requires worf tho

mookieproof, Friday, 21 April 2023 05:33 (one year ago) link

zen worf is a gift

mookieproof, Friday, 21 April 2023 05:38 (one year ago) link

i demand Captain Seven spinoff immediately (plz kill off Jack by ep 2)

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 21 April 2023 05:56 (one year ago) link

i mean really, jack unassimilating because he loves his mom, or because he's hot for geordi's pilot daughter, or because the showrunners thought him charismatic doesn't make much sense

mookieproof, Friday, 21 April 2023 06:14 (one year ago) link

so Agnes and her posse were too busy guarding the mystery transwarp conduit wherever (which is not the conduit seen in this season) to show up and help or...

there's not a lot of between season continuity going on here

mh, Friday, 21 April 2023 15:52 (one year ago) link

There's not even scene-to-scene continuity going on -- didn't Worf just take two full on space laser body blasts? and there's not even an insert of Riker quipping, "shake it off, Worf, it's just a flesh wound" to bridge the fact that he seems perfectly fine 10 seconds later.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 21 April 2023 16:24 (one year ago) link

Does the Picard golem have a usborg port in his neck? Or was it there from his prior assimilation? I guess all that cyberpunk armor is just for show.

formerly abanana (dat), Friday, 21 April 2023 19:29 (one year ago) link

Yeah, Borg stories hopefully are put to bed now because this, like every story following "I, Borg," has made them such stock villains that have almost none of their original alienness -- how banal it was that Queenie (and Vadic) were simply motivated by revenge.

Health and Wellness Worf is still a treasure. Philip, I kind of wonder if Klingon redundant physiology explains why he was able to shake off the phaser blasts.

I did completely hate Will's decision to keep Picard company, dressed up as loyalty but really just a cheap way of amplifying the stakes, in a way that doesn't make sense. He and Troi still have a daughter, or did she get conveniently forgotten?!

Sid Bream My Baby (Leee), Saturday, 22 April 2023 20:29 (one year ago) link

But I did like:

The shot of the nebula that's a straight homage to TNG's opening credits
Riker's "I miss that voice."
Poker game at the end -- stud, rotating aerial shot, etc.

Sid Bream My Baby (Leee), Saturday, 22 April 2023 20:46 (one year ago) link

I enjoyed the last ep overall as a nicely final-feeling bit of action TV with lots of fanservice. But.

As others already said, wither Jurati? What was the point of her borgifying if they just dropped that story?

If Q is able to recombobulate or whatever explanation befits, he could have done the decent thing and stepped in and stopped the borg thing. Just rude.

Cannot get past Jack and Picard being able to just rip out their borg cabling. ESPECIALLY since the queen specifically said, several minutes earlier, that doing so would destroy their minds. What is the POINT of assimilation if you can fight it that casually. And yeah did Picard just jam the port into his skin? Huh?

On a related note Worf seemed to cope with being shot twice right in the arm/shoulder by a powerful weapon thats been shown to kill people instantly on many occasions. He didnt even seem hurt. OK whatever. I did like the sword/phaser joke though.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 00:17 (one year ago) link

i saw someone suggest that worf could survive such things because of his redundant klingon organs . . . which is trying *really* hard

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 April 2023 01:20 (one year ago) link

the redlettermedia video pointed out that the last time elron was seen, he was serving on the excelsior. the ending that character deserved.

formerly abanana (dat), Tuesday, 25 April 2023 01:43 (one year ago) link

I suppose this is where I show my old age because the Treaty of Algernon is complete bullshit and should never have been signed with that provision intact. Section 31 sucks for not bothering to reverse-engineer cloaking tech anyway and Star Fleet sucks for not demanding that Section 31 does - even if it means installing an "in case of emergency, invoke Section 31" button on every NCC-* bridge (surprise, by doing so - you're now a Section 31 ship!) That alone would be a more interesting plot than - oh no, another page or two of script burned on the fucking cloaking device instead of something interesting.

I'm annoyed with how this all wrapped up because the first half was just good enough to encourage my own runaway imagination to expect something better than another Borg story (story made even lazier because now there's a kid). The fact that we're all talking about better spin-off fantasy shows whether it's Star Trek: Enterprise-G with Captain Seven or Star Trek: Kung Fu with Worf just magnifies how inert Picard is - even with all the end of the world stuff going on outside the viewscreen, the show (and him) seem strangely reactive. This isn't the first time this has happened with Star Trek or any other heritage IP bogged down by the weight of its own nostalgia. See also: the Obi-Wan series, most dalek episodes of nuWho.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 28 April 2023 05:41 (one year ago) link

There’s a single line in the RLM vid where Mike inadvertently summaries a lot of the modern ST content as missing the point with the writers/showrunners wanting more grimdark as presumably more real/relevant/realistic: “here! Here’s a sweet to wade thru!” rather any sort of utopian idea

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g63G1l41Wp8

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 28 April 2023 16:17 (one year ago) link

Dammit. “Here’s a SEWER to wade thru”

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Friday, 28 April 2023 16:18 (one year ago) link

I gave up on this show but wife has been rewatching it and I'll say this much: great theme song.

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 5 May 2023 17:52 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

Captain Shaw memes are still the best:

https://i.ibb.co/LYpT7nd/FB-IMG-1678630684510.jpg

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 9 July 2023 11:23 (one year ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/Z0QpfNj.jpeg

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 9 July 2023 11:27 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

"the actor, Patrick", said Patrick Stewart

adam t. (abanana), Saturday, 6 January 2024 18:06 (six months ago) link

I remember that Stewart went through a "refers to self in third person" phase in the late 90s or early 00s, maybe this was a deeply buried tic that resurfaced.

Captain Sisko and Ebert (Leee), Saturday, 6 January 2024 19:38 (six months ago) link


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