THOMAS CRUISE MAPOTHER IV: HIS ŒUVRE

I wonder what future priest Tom Cruise would think of Xenu.

In my heart of hearts Top Gun shall forever remain the Tom Cruisiest of all the Tom Cruise movies.

One day in the late 90s my then-employer placed a VHS copy of Top Gun into the mail slot of every employee. A week later at least half of them had still not been taken from the mail room. I foolishly took mine home. I spent several more years attempting to give this movie away to anyone who would take it. No one took it.

One day in the late 90s my then-employer placed a VHS copy of Top Gun into the mail slot of every employee

i love this

Where tf is Hairspray

I feel like we did this a while ago, but whatever. My faves of his are Risky Business and the Brad Bird-helmed M:I. Wish I thought higher of his two ‘99 auteur collabs.

Xp. C+p'd from IMDb

American Made was so useless

Where tf is Hairspray

Are you thinking of Rock of Ages?

So long toooooom cruise

*flute solo*

I liked him for about 10 years early on, haven't kept up.

1. The Color of Money, 2. Born on the Fourth of July, 3. Magnolia, 4. The Firm, 5. Rain Man

I used to show a clip of him lip-syncing the Weeknd's "I Can't Feel My Face" that was pretty funny.

I've missed all of his early stuff, the first film of his I've seen is (as of last month) Mission Impossible, which was 23 years ago. He's making another MI in 2021, and another in 2022.

Tom Cruise is 57.

Honestly Magnolia because Magnolia is a top 3 film for me, even if Frank TJ Mackey is about for close to life for him. But I love the scene of him breaking down at his dads bedside even if it’s ridiculous.

He's making another MI in 2021, and another in 2022.

They’re Kill-Bill-ing these two, according to plan, shooting one big story in 2020. If he doesn’t squeeze something else in between the split release, then 11 out of Cruise’s last 15 films will have been written or co-written or ghost-re-written by Christopher McQuarrie.

(McQuarrie will have directed five of those, ghost-directed some of a sixth, and had a producer credit on #12 of the 15. The five that they have primarily collaborated on so far have grossed over $2.2 billion. Despite these successes and having won an Oscar in 1996, McQuarrie has never been able to sell an original project to a Hollywood studio in his 26-year career, and intended to quit writing after his first Cruise flick in 2008.)

Sikipedia.

I don’t know why I find this career team-up / human corporate takeover so fascinating but I can’t think of anything like it. Even Gena Rowlands usually made another film or two in between ones with Cassavetes, and she was married to him!

Eyes Wide Shut

and then Magnolia

The last three MI films are really superior films (if they had to be ranked Rogue Nation>Ghost Protocol>Fallout, RN winning primarily due to Rebecca Ferguson content) and the first three are weird in retrospect, each one is basically a reboot with an entirely new Ethan Hunt, a grim govt agent in the first and a stud lothario in the second and a family man sleeper agent forced into action in the third. The first is totally fine, the other two are disposable imo. The Abrams one is lightweight discarded Alias episode trash and the Woo film has almost nothing going for it beyond some committed acting lunacy from Dougray Scott and Thandie Newton doing her best to elevate a thankless part.

Reacher 1 is really good, just a solid b-movie with a bigger budget. I like it a lot.

Edge of Tomorrow is really excellent, I appreciate Cruise going for full coward in the role early on. It’s another film where his female co-star elevates it thoroughly and it’s to his credit that he’s been willing to cede ground to Blunt and Ferguson to such a degree, to the point that they’re practically the true heroes of both films.

It’s actually hard to choose his best role, I think he’s made a lot of good flicks.

cosign every piece of that

Would have to see Born on the Fourth of July again to really decide (and Magnolia, for that matter)...but am a Collateral fan, with Cruise as a credible psychopath.

american made, knight and day, vanilla sky and minority report are all good movies dont @me

Omar v Otm on the early MI movies (the only ones I've seen).

Def agree that his innate assholish nature is employed well in some roles where it's also part of the character. His Rainman character is a puppy prick and he really convinces in that role

Yuppy even blaa

love puppy prick as a description tbh

I don’t know if they’re the best, but MI-1, Edge of Tomorrow and, uh, Cocktail are the only ones I feel like I would enjoy rewatching - especially EOT.

I’m alone here I think, but found the Brad Bird MI4 by far the least interesting next to Woo’s. Set pieces and humour all felt flat to me. I like the bit where they impersonate the wall.

Risky Business is a masterpiece.

Knight and Day among the dumber movies I've ever watched

Cocktail is an interesting mess. It's obnoxious and terrible in a lot of ways,and cruise is usually responsible for its lowest points. But I kind of like the Flanagan/Coughlin relationship which is the heart of the movie.

Brian Brown is very charismatic,he deserved his moment in Hollywood imo

knight and day is dumb

idk if its an critique that lands to say it

do you think anyone involved didnt know they were making a dumb movie

most movies are dumb, now i think of it tbh

always liked him but not loved him. would have to go back and see some of these again to decide

It was hard to love him in Magnolia because he was so despicable, but it was a memorable performance

I was defending John Wayne as an actor/movie star a few months back to some people who were raging over the latest unearthing of his infamous <I>Playboy</I> interview from the’70s (if you don’t know what I’m talking about, its pretty easy to find). My point—made all the more difficult to illustrate due to the people I was talking to either admittedly or simply likely never having seen a Wayne pic—was that whatever you may think of him as an actor/movie star, his best movies (for me, <I>The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence</I> and <I>The Searchers</I>) worked because a director (Ford, again, for me; I’m not a bit Hawks fan, but I’m sure one could make a similar argument re: his work with Hawks) knew how to employ his persona in ways that, depending on how charitable you wish to be towards him, may have even been above the actor’s full comprehension. Cruise is a lot like that for me, as well; he’s at his best when a filmmaker—Kubrick, definitely, but also Anderson, Mann, Levinson, and even, gulp, Rob Reiner—knows how to tap into Cruise’s particularly icy brand of yuppie smarm (the urtext for this definitely being Risky Business). I remember reading one critic, circa the early 2000s, describing Cruise as the most quintessentially American movie star of the era, and I agree; take that as you will, I guess.

(Screwed up the formatting on that last post, sorry)

Lots of great performances and many good movies here. I need to rewatch Vanilla Sky but I still think it's really underrated. He's the only person that comes out of Magnolia alive, somehow gives the most human performance of his career. his role in Collateral was a refreshing heel turn that he didn't really follow up on, sort of like Sandler after Punch-Drunk Love.

having said that I cannot vote for anyone other than Dr. Bill. did you know he's a doctor?

Dr. William Harford!

Well described, cryptosicko.

My memory of Cocktail is exactly opposite JIV's: I remember Cruise as good, Bryan Brown as giving a cliched cynical-older-guy performance (or at least the script boxing him into that corner).

"knew how to employ his persona"

Not to get off topic, but related: Someone dismissed Travolta's performance in Pulp Fiction on the Travolta thread the other day. Majorly disagree. He's not only great, that character can't be played by anybody else--Tarantino made the role about him. The Jack Rabbit Slim scene wouldn't be one-tenth as good with someone else.

I don't any director ever played around with Cruise's persona quite so creatively--Magnolia comes close--but the same thing is at play in lots of his films (maybe even, past a certain point, every film he does by default).

"I don't think any director..."

Kubrick totally does it in Eyes Wide Shut, obviously playing off of Kidman and Cruise's real life marriage and pitting them against each other on set, and continually, for nearly three hours, makes Cruise wander around Manhattan and a secret sex mansion and NEVER get laid, despite coming very close many times. Cruise is castrated in EWS, and his masculinity is implicitly mocked throughout and explicitly at least once (when the teenagers or whatever accost him on the street).

I was gonna say

best persona riff: EWS
worst persona riff: Tropic Thunder

hard agree on TT

Agree with everything you say about Eyes Wide Shut. But because the character's such a cipher, I personally don't find him as interesting as T.J. Mackey (or Vincent Vega).

I actually think TT holds up pretty well as a satire of Hollywood self-importance, which makes his self-flattery-via-self-mockery shtick in it even more glaring

that casting/role might have been one of the slickest bits of PR in Hollywood history

I will take the populist route and just say my actual favorite movie from this list starring Mr. Thomas Cruise, OT VII, is War of the Worlds.

Saw it twice

would throw his turn in Minority Report in directors utilizing his talents to best use.

i am saying this without evidence, but did his career take a notable dive after minority report? i guess i haven't seen a lot of his recent movies. but that's because i'm not really a big fan of the genre of whatever jack reacher is

and it seems like a lot of his recent movies are in that genre, global superstar tom cruise mode. i like when he pretends to be a more normal person

did his career take a notable dive after minority report?

no, before Minority Report, $200 million gross was the marker of a big hit for him. since Minority Report neeearly all his films since have grossed $200 million or above, with Fallout pulling $800 million to be his biggest hit since Top Gun or Rain Man.

Collateral, two years after Minority Report and just before the couch-jump, was the last time he ticked off a square on his "major white male American director" bingo card, though.

(In 2006 he and his producing partner were given part-ownership of United Artists after their deal with Paramount was terminated due to his anti-psychiatry, anti-Brooke Shields, and anti-anti-depressant public statements. She was ankled two years later, but since then he seems to have tried to create his own personal 1920s-style UA* by building a stable of house directors that he rotates between, and having McQuarrie involved in as many productions as Cruise can drag him into.)

*((founded by actress-producer Mary Pickford, writer-actor-director-composer-producer Charlie Chaplin, actor-producer-writer Douglas Fairbanks and director-producer DW Griffith to circumvent the influence of existing Hollywood studios. It is currently United Artists Digital Studios, a division of Comcast making webisode revivals of War Games and Stargate. Up the workers!))

Realise I haven't seen A Few Good Men!

...should I?

Can you handle the truth?

AFGM is pretty dumb

Voted Cocktail, since it was kind of exemplar of a certain kind of movie of its time, especially one with TC in it.

All I can remember from Cocktail is TC sexing Elizabeth Shue under a waterfall, which may reflect my age when I first watched it

An exemplar

kind of exemplar of a certain kind of movie of its time, especially one with TC in it.

When you got movies like TC in it, you can't lose

I've never seen the first two Mission: Impossible movies and likely never will. I hate DePalma, and hate what Hollywood did to John Woo. But I like a surprising number of Cruise movies, the last three M:I installments and the second Jack Reacher (haven't seen the first) among them.

I thought his self-mutilation movies (Vanilla Sky, having his eyes torn out in Minority Report) were interesting, and Edge Of Tomorrow, despite being saddled with one of the worst titles in cinema history, was really good.

Collateral was pretty good for a while, though the scene where the bar owner talks about Miles Davis makes me cringe all my skin off and it should have ended with Jamie Foxx flipping the cab - boom; cut to credits on a black screen.

People talked shit about Oblivion and it was probably too long but if was a cool vibe to dig around in. I'd love to play a game set in that world. And if it came on TV I'd watch the shit out of it.

I've never heard of Oblivion, and "Jack Harper" is such an incredibly generic name my eye just slid right past that entry in the poll. "Jack Harper" is a name Arnold Schwarzennegger would have had in one of his late 80s/early 90s movies that no one remembers now.

Edge Of Tomorrow, despite being saddled with one of the worst titles in cinema

Warners formally changed the title (back) to Live. Die. Repeat., the director's intended title, for home video, and Liman & McQuarrie have both referred to the sequel as Live Die Repeat And Repeat.

Lots of great performances

oh COME NOW

If people enjoy a film, they tend to believe the acting was great, even when it was just passable enough for them to suspend disbelief. It isn't as if Cruise can't act. He's not an amateur. But he has a limited range.

Concentrating on 'action' movies has been a smart career move for him. His recent characters only need to move the plot ahead and he's surrounded by high-budget effects that carry the audience along on a river of spectacle, so his acting isn't all that central to the overall experience.

Imagine how much worse every single one of these movies would be with Joaquin Phoenix.

Leo and Cruise have often struck me as similar actors...because both are fairly ~external~ actors...if that makes sense. Though Cruise less likely to ham it up. But, like Leo, I can't see Cruise convincingly playing a reserved or intelligent character with a rich interior life, for instance. Everything is on the surface. I don't mean this as a criticism. EWS is a great example...at the end with Pollack you just see Cruise furiously *thinking* and then that incredible moment that I have to assume Kubrick insisted on where he keeps his hand to the side of his face for an unnaturally long time.

He's not someone who has ever seemed at ease on camera.

I think that's a really good comparison. They are both method intense, but only to the extent that you can really see them acting intensely.

Agree that Tom Cruise taking the piss out of himself in stuff like Edge of Tomorrow and Tropic Thunder and (to an extent) Minority Report is a pretty good look. You can see him sort of loosen up and have fun a little when he's, I dunno, chasing his own eyes down a hallway. Like Schwarzenegger, he plays an oddly convincing everyman (imo) for a guy who is clearly not an everyman.

Eyes Wide Shut is the best movie he's been in, but absolutely not his best performance.

Still voting for it.

I've never heard of Oblivion, and "Jack Harper" is such an incredibly generic name my eye just slid right past that entry in the poll. "Jack Harper" is a name Arnold Schwarzennegger would have had in one of his late 80s/early 90s movies that no one remembers now.

Voted EWS her for John Wayne-related reasons

I really don't understand the love for Eyes Wide Shut. Is it just residual Kubrick worship - like, you liked 2001 and The Shining and A Clockwork Orange so much you can't admit that the dude ever put a foot wrong? Because I've seen the movie, and it's...not...good. The script is boneheaded, the compositions are static and about a half-step less stagy than fucking Dogville, and there's not a single good performance in it, in either the "that is a realistic human being acting in a recognizably human manner" way or a "that is a larger-than-life but dramatically compelling figure doing interesting things that propel the story in an unpredictable direction" way.

I mean, just about all of that is wrong but it's definitely not "static," the camera movement and editing is hardly Dreyer. Maybe "stagey" but that's an observation not a flaw.

u know Stan said "Real is good, interesting is better."

I find EWS's unreality preferable to The Shining's.

unperson mostly otm, EWS is un-rewatchable

as for Tom, I get the fascination with Magnolia bcz haha he says "respect the cock" ohmysides, but much prefer "big fat fucking penis" in Bot4oJ.

Tom's wheelhouse was probably Risky Business-style light comedy, but then Top Gun struck. I've always found his INTENSE persona laughable.

but tom several of us HAVE rewatched it :)

I've rewatched EWS twice; it's like staring into a toilet bowl hoping the waters turn into tidal waves.

you can't admit that the dude ever put a foot wrong

Hardly. His filmography is about half and half to my eyes.

It’s true though, that movie about dreaming and the unconscious based on a 1920s surrealist Freudian novella isn’t strictly realistic in its tone or performances.

Also the missions Ethan Hunt undertakes do not strictly speaking appear to be “impossible”, a major plot hole

Tom Cruise, along with Matt Damon, are two actors that I find enormously compelling onscreen and will watch anything either of them is in.

"Minority Report" is my favourite later-Spielberg movie and Cruise is fantastic in it and I'm voting for it. "Magnolia" is gutter trash.

xp its a publicly funded org, you have to oversell the difficulty of everything just to get photocopier money

fgti otm

he hits some of his lines well in Jerry Maguire ("I am Mr Black People") but the script is overwhelmed by bullshit

While white leading men over 40 are on my mind: Colin Farrell would be "The Lobster", Matt Damon would be "The Talented Mr. Ripley", Clive Owen would be "Croupier", Leo DiCaprio would be "Catch Me If You Can", Clooney would be "Michael Clayton".

Wasn't Croupier like 20 years ago? Pretty brutal statement about ol' Clive's career. Not even a pity vote for Inside Man or Duplicity?

I saw a clip of PTA talking about how he'd cut Magnolia to ribbons if he was editing it today; I'd watch that version but won't bother rewatching till then

Children of Men! xp

I love Children of Men but Croupier is SO GOOD!! Bruce Willis "Hudson Hawk" gfy lol I love that movie, Val Kilmer "Willow" again gfy, Pacino and De Niro idk Godfathers I guess, Brad Pitt geeeeee do I even like him? "Thelma And Louise" but I did like "Babel" for what it's worth, Christian Bale actually kind of sucks but I like both him and Hugh Jackman a lot in "The Prestige"

I have been gasp-level surprised no fewer than 5 times in FGTI's last 2 posts.

Val Kilmer's best movie is Spartan. Catch me on the right day and I'll tell you it's Mamet's best, too.

What can I say, I like a lot of bullshit

Same. Just not quite so much of the "bought the Wild Hogs DVD from Target the day it was released" strain.

I have a weird soft spot for Redbelt.

best contemporary Kilmer has to be Kiss Kiss Bang Bang

I had some thoughts about Spartan, and Mamet, and Kilmer, about 10 years ago.

I don't know what Wild Hogs is *googles it* oh I see

fwiw my favourite contemporary director is Nicole Holofcener and my favourite movie of the last decade is "I Am Love", so, maybe Wild Hogs is a little unfair

kiss kiss bang bang is so good

kilmer best in his entourage cameo tbh

second best snl iceman sketch

after that yeah top gun, heat and gfy his bruce wayne

I stand with omar on Tom Cruise

the last 3 MI movies are insanely enjoyable - for me they scratch the itch for “ fun OTT action” that Bond has done away with ( the fun part i mean)

Edge of Tomorrow is excellent

I even didn’t hate him in Rock of Ages! I pretty much like him in everything

I was just joshing, FGTI. It was a good kind of surprise that you're into Michael Clayton.

it's like staring into a toilet bowl hoping the waters turn into tidal waves.

Try flushing!

Forget it, Jakes, it’s Flushing Chinatown.

Michael Clayon is the kind of thinks-its-too-good-to-be-pulp thriller that I hate more than just about any other kind of movie.

For Kilmer, gimme Top Secret! over anything else in his filmography (though KKBB is good, too).

and The Doors

Val Kilmer as Jim Morrison was inspired casting.

Anyway, Cruise was fun when he wasn't shouting and briefly hawt in Cocktail.

Real Genius is his Risky Business.

Real Q, as compulsively watchable as I find Cruise, has he ever.. acted in anything? Aside from kind-of exaggerating his id for Magnolia?

So long since I saw it but 4th of July?

Real Q, as compulsively watchable as I find Cruise, has he ever.. acted in anything? Aside from kind-of exaggerating his id for Magnolia?

― flamboyant goon tie included, Monday, September 2, 201

On the contrary: his wort quality for years was his strenuous sweat-covered acting. Screen acting has so little to do with chops. It took him years to learn this simple truth.

I often think of this with respect to people who overdramatize their emotions in real life, that maybe they should watch Singin’ in the Rain and pay close attention.

Val Kilmer as Jim Morrison was inspired casting.

no, too sexy

you guys are wasting Keanu's birthday talkin bout Tom Cruise

a little surprising they've never(?) done a movie together

Never put Keanu in front of a black hole.

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Risky Business is showing at 11 tonight at my neighborhood arthouse...

Sooooooo good.

I only saw Risky Business last year and was stunned by "MUSIC BY TANGERINE DREAM" popping up in the opening credits.

i love risky business so much

the only thing I remember about it is the underwear dance, which was pretty great

it's gorgeously filmed and often feels like a long dream sequence

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Surprised Born on the Fourth of July was shut out. It's been ages since I've seen it, and obviously I didn't vote for it myself, but I remember him being very good for the first half, with a heavy-handed scene or two after he becomes an activist.

The love of Magnolia baffles me. Good to see Edge of Tomorrow place so high, though. It's too bad all the M:I movies had to be listed individually, because the version of Ethan Hunt he's played in movies 4,5 and 6 is qualitatively different (and much better/funnier) than the one he played in 1-3.

as someone pointed out, the Risky Business character is written very Jewish

I was impressed that Cruise participated in the commentary track to that one when it came out on DVD. Did Paul Brickman direct anything else?

with movies like Tom Cruise in them, you can't lose

Men Don't Leave was next, I think (Jessica Lange, Chris O'Donnell)

All is well.

unperson- magnolia is a bad movie but cruise's performance is the only good thing in it, close to great. he's the only one who doesn't come off mawkish when he cries like everyone else. the flip side of I'm a Doctor Bill Harford.

2013 interview with Brickman

The success of Risky Business was strange because I had Hollywood coming at me full throttle. I found it very uncomfortable. I moved out of L.A. immediately. Studio heads sent me wine goblets and food baskets. And people threw material at me right and left, and lined up to meet me. It gets uncomfortable. Some people like the visibility. I don’t. I’m more from the J.D. Salinger schoo.l

ooh man, "I'm more from the J.D. Salinger school" is of a piece with core, heart music

(obviously not as good)

A bunch of people are good in Magnolia!

WHM, Robards, PBH, and Cruise are the only performances that stand out for me. PSH and Moore verge into self-parody. the kid is good, the whole cast is great but the movie is so bad.

PTA said in a later interview that with the benefit of hindsight/experience he would cut Magnolia way down, and that's the version I'd like to see

Rewatched "Edge of Tomorrow," er, yesterday. It holds up really well, effects and Tom Cruise alike. He's really well cast in it, not just as Tom Cruise but as the character.

cruise as ethan hunt in the first m:i: underrated in this poll

Watched that epic Tim Rogers review of the original The Last of Us, and he kind of pinpointed the first Mission Impossible as when Tom Cruise just started playing Tom Cruise.

I feel like he was disproportionately amazing in Born On The 4th Of July but maybe it was just the ‘stache

Credit where credit is due, the guy is really never half assing it.

and he kind of pinpointed the first Mission Impossible as when Tom Cruise just started playing Tom Cruise.

I've only seen Magnolia, Tropic Thunder, seven of the 8 or 9 McQuarrie collaborations, and the two Missions that McQuarrie didn't do after this, but even in that selection, this doesn't track.

(Without checking out his other roles or a timeline, I'd guess that the shift to more explicitly playing hypercompetent asexual ciphers whom every person around them either praises incessantly or seethingly resents came with him g0ing cl34r, as well as finishing his Great White Male Directors bingo card, and the Cruise/Wagner partnership hindenberging out. The latter two may or may not be connected to each other, or to the first. [Even in the McQuarries, Jack Reacher is socially isolated and doesn't form collaborative bonds, and the Edge Of Tomorrow guy has to learn almost-barely-competence through live. die. repeat.ing hundreds of times])

(after being inspired by the primary sexual interaction of modern screen Cruise: a woman turns to look at him over her shoulder.)

Actors playing "themselves" is distinct from phoning it in. I don't think Tom Cruise has ever phoned anything in. It's either very good or a complete disaster.

I think he’s best in the Mission Impossible movies, esp the last few: it’s like he’s happiest if he know he’s got lots of crazy stunts to do

(as opposed to say, The Mummy where he has like 2 set pieces and spends most of the movie running or looking confused. do not watch)

Am looking forward to the Top Gun sequel - seems like the perfect conditions for some of that same kind of peak Cruise

Hmm, I'll have to think about it, but by "Tom Cruise as Tom Cruise" I guess I would say it's akin to, I dunno, Arnold playing Arnold in all those '80s action movies. That is, Cruise has been great in lots of movies, but to the credit of his instincts (Great White Male Director bingo or no), most of those movies are not great *because* of Tom Cruise. The Mission Impossible movies, however, they're all but built around him. Watch Tom Cruise do stunts, not "I hope Ethan Hunt finally finds closure re: his wife."

The greatest 'Tom Cruise as Tom Cruise' role was when he jumped up and down on Oprah's couch. There were more layers to unpack in that performance, reaching deeper into his psyche, than anything he has yet committed to the big screen.

See it here, if you dare: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQgXEkL3NV4

The Mission Impossible movies, however, they're all but built around him. Watch Tom Cruise do stunts

For sure from Ghost Protes on, but that's 15 years after the DePalma one, and he was still marking out Cameron Crowe, Spielberg, PTA, Kubrick and Michael Mann bingo squares for a decade.

(The big "look at this really being Tom Cruise risking his life" stunt in MI2 is bolted on to the front from a separate shoot in another hemisphere)

I wish the movie were called Ghost Protes.

(GhoPro also where McQuarrie came on halfway through the shoot and rewrote it to be built around Cruise; originally he was gonna leave the series at the end. Since making Rock Of Ages immediately afterward, he then hasn't made another movie without McQuarrie involved, as producer, writer, co-writer, uncredited rewriter or writer/director.)

I think he’s best in the Mission Impossible movies, esp the last few: it’s like he’s happiest if he know he’s got lots of crazy stunts to do

yah but and also: I used to think he was only ~really~ good in Risky Business and and Magnolia; rewatched Risky for the first time a month ago and he is really ace in it.

I guess most of his best work after that is playing an asshole of some kind, and Risky Business is his character learning to be a collaborative but self-serving and exploitative boss on-screen...

Risky Business is so good. I think it would have still be a good movie with someone else, but probably not as good.

It's kind of weird that he's gotten this action hero persona thing going on, because I think one of his gifts is flipping the switch from arrogant to vulnerable (if not quite sympathetic). He does that well in "Magnolia," but also "Jerry Maguire" (iirc) and the Spiellberg films, too. Certainly in "Edge of Tomorrow," sort of in "Collateral."

Is latter-day cruise more or less asexual than The Rock? Every scene with a woman in Ballers seems like it might be the first time he’s kissed someone.

Risky Business is dope because it’s like some hybrid of John Hughes and Michael Mann. Was pleasantly surprised when I first saw it a few years ago, was expecting something entirely different.

not about to watch Ballers to compare, but The Rock flirting and fighting with Vanessa Kirby* in F&FP:H&S managed to be weirder and creepier than Cruise flirting and fighting with Vanessa Kirby** in M:I-FO

*(14 years younger)
**(24 years younger)

flirtin and fightin it's all the same Livin' with Louie dog's the only way to stay sane

Yeah Risky Business has a bizarre, singular mood, circa otm

DeMornay might be more crucial to the mood of Risky Business than Cruise. The viewer can believe they have more of a grasp on her personality than Cruise's character does, but only by a couple of degrees.

You're right, and iirc Cruise's friends are total losers/cowards like him(at first)... I only saw this a few years ago as well and while I knew it was more than the living room scene (which was its reputation according to VH1's I Love the 80s), I was frankly astonished when I saw "MUSIC BY TANGERINE DREAM" in the opening credits. In my mind, Risky Business and Thief are films happening simultaneously in the same city.

Think this is the most popular thread I ever started lol

his œuvre

"Risky Business" is where he "becomes" Tom Cruise in lots of different ways, but especially how the naive character starts out at the mercy of De Mornay but seemingly ends up ruthlessly cold-blooded (lesson learned, capitalism!). But yeah, because DeMornay is so crucial she lends her character a real ambiguity, especially in the alternate (director's preferred) ending:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KnW9_viA7Q

Gah, that movie is so good.

Was flipping around on hotel tv and saw Cruise with Cameron Diaz. I thought, wait, what movie is this? Turns out to be something called Knight and Day. What the hell is that?

I thought he was really good in the new "Top Gun," charming, dramatic, funny, vulnerable, pretty versatile in the role of "Tom Cruise, movie star."

On the way to the theatre my wife told me one of her co-workers is his ... first cousin, once-removed? Cruise's first cousin is the co-worker's mother, whatever that makes her. So everyone was, of course, curious. Have you met him? What's he like? She said the only time she met him was at his mother's funeral, but that for years, every year they would get a pile of Scientology books and pamphlets from him, which they promptly threw out. This went on for several years, but at some point the Scientology stuff stopped coming and he started sending a coconut cake instead.

Apparently this is a Cruise trademark:

It is a White Chocolate Coconut Bundt Cake from Doan's Bakery that Tom Cruise sends as a gift to all his famous friends at Christmas. The cake is a moist coconut bundt cake with chunks of sweet white chocolate topped with a rich cream cheese frosting and toasted coconut flakes.

Incidentally, at the box office my wife asked the ticket seller for two to "Mission Impossible." The ticket seller just looked back blankly, and my wife doubled down. "Two for 'Mission Impossible,' please." And the ticket seller kept staring, frozen. "Um, 'Top Gun,'" I told my wife, and she turned red, and the seller and everyone just cracked up. Tomato/potato.

Mentioned in the other thread, but the last half hour of this was Mission Impossible

For those of you worrying that your dreams have passed you by, Tom Cruise just had his biggest hit at age 60. He did it via a specific set of values and habits that I think can work for anyone, so I wanted to start a thread. The first thing you need to know: What is a Thetan? 1/ pic.twitter.com/NvrymZElrJ

— Jason Pargin, author of John Dies at the End, etc (@JohnDiesattheEn) July 16, 2022

lol

One day it’s gonna seem mad to everyone that it came out this dude uses actual slaves and nobody gave a shit