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hi, i watched the first two episodes last night. i liked it.

discuss

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 14 January 2019 18:15 (one year ago) link

who is the true detective

j., Monday, 14 January 2019 18:35 (one year ago) link

mahershalalhashbaz ali

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 14 January 2019 18:36 (one year ago) link

...or stephen dorff.

remains to be seen

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 14 January 2019 18:37 (one year ago) link

at one point, old ali mumbles something to the filmmaker lady that makes his son react off to the side. i rewound three times but couldn't understand it. what was it? anyone catch it?

andrew m., Tuesday, 15 January 2019 14:51 (one year ago) link

have a couple of friends who were on the crew for this. props and set dressing. my bud matthew is now the proud owner of the yellow chair from the sex shop guy's office. dorff wanted it (big collector of stuff, apparently) but matthew got to it first once filming wrapped.

andrew m., Tuesday, 15 January 2019 14:54 (one year ago) link

in yr face, deacon frost

Effectively Big Jim with a beard. (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 15:04 (one year ago) link

did a lot of squinting once I realized that was stephen dorff

but *how* is that stephen dorff? occasionally a shot would be at an angle where i'd think "hmm, that guy does look a little like him"

mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 15:38 (one year ago) link

at one point, old ali mumbles something to the filmmaker lady that makes his son react off to the side. i rewound three times but couldn't understand it. what was it? anyone catch it?

― andrew m., Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:51 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i can't remember well but i think it was just something that showed his senility

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:18 (one year ago) link

i'm thinking (hoping?) that the child abduction plus suspicious totems angle is a red herring and not the full season direction. or they're replaying elements of a successful first season

mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:27 (one year ago) link

I really like the conceit of having the different timelines literally intersect with each other in (as in the light going off in 2015 and seen in 1980, or Ali saying "I don't want to be here anymore" in 1980 into the camera but speaking from 2015...)

I guess there's some sense that this is gonna also intersect in some way with Season 1? Intriguing.

ryan, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:27 (one year ago) link

xp. i would be surprised if the season moves away from the murder/abduction

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:29 (one year ago) link

Like, a literal sense of dislocation, temporally and spatially, seems to be at play, as in Woodard's saying something like "ever want to be somewhere, and not be somewhere, at the same time?"

ryan, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:29 (one year ago) link

agree that the triple-timeline thing was surprisingly well-executed

mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:30 (one year ago) link

oh wow i fucked that up: "“You ever been some place you couldn’t leave and you couldn’t stay?”

ryan, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:31 (one year ago) link

that line gave me a strong sense of melancholy

mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:31 (one year ago) link

It's a good line.

ryan, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:31 (one year ago) link

Is this a recommendation, then? Too much actual family dementia has made me leery of seeing it in my entertainments. But I loved Ali in Moonlight (the only thing I loved in Moonlight) and want to see more.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 18:10 (one year ago) link

If it's worth it, more than happy to pretend S2 never happened.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 18:11 (one year ago) link

almost too early to say, chuck, re your leeriness. imo.

“You ever been some place you couldn’t leave and you couldn’t stay?”

def reminded me of the depths of my worst depression episodes (before seeking treatment). (tmi.)

andrew m., Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:03 (one year ago) link

I guess there's some sense that this is gonna also intersect in some way with Season 1? Intriguing.

who is the true pig bodine???

j., Tuesday, 15 January 2019 23:50 (one year ago) link

I like a good police procedural, and if this is a solid police procedural with good plotting and solid acting that is well-shot, I'm in. If it rehashes or reuses some of the things from the first season, I'm good with that, too. I suspect that any perceived connections at this point are red herrings, though.

Hays is a certified badass, isn't he?

TrumpPence a Bag (B.L.A.M.), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 01:36 (one year ago) link

^

Ali is good and the show is probably worth watching for that alone

calstars, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 03:37 (one year ago) link

this year is great. so far possibly surpasses season 1 IMO.

akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:28 (one year ago) link

loving it. it's like --man brushes teeth /OMINOUS MUSIC PLAY IN BACKGROUND/ but it works

calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:32 (one year ago) link

i didn't even recognize the sober father at first. dude looks like he lost a ton of weight between the timelines; but I think it was just a shave and a haircut.

akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:35 (one year ago) link

scoot mcnairy very underrated in general imo

that might be my love of the last couple seasons of "halt and catch fire" talking

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:39 (one year ago) link

its ok, not a patch on season 1

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:21 (one year ago) link

not sure. I have a feeling that this story will resolve in a more satisfying way than season 1. there's still time for it to go tits up I suppose.

akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:25 (one year ago) link

I've enjoyed this season so far too, seems like they've managed to refine what was good about the first season (the interplay between different time periods, the complex relationship between the two cops) while omitting the stuff that didn't really work, like the adolescent nihilist philosophising or the horror-flavoured hints that ultimately amounted to nothing. I also like how they avoid season 1's misstep of making the women insignificant by having the main female character have an interest of her own in the case, thus giving her proper agency.

So I'm hoping with this season TD finally lives up to promise of the first handful of episodes of season, before it fell flat. (I never watched season 2 because I was so disappointed how season 1 concluded, but based on what I've heard I guess I didn't miss much?)

Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:27 (one year ago) link

oh I wouldn't put it that way exactly lol

Number None, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:29 (one year ago) link

there was a lot going on in season 2

perhaps too much

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:30 (one year ago) link

"time is a flat circle" and the yellow king and "making flowers" were why people watched s1. they are not "what didn't work"

calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:35 (one year ago) link

They are what lured people in, but ultimately they were also what made the first season disappointing, cos they turned out to nothing superficial texture and nothing more. So far this season has been quite enjoyable without stuff like that.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:38 (one year ago) link

the very end was a little too rote gross family/incest/texas chainsaw massacre for sure

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:40 (one year ago) link

I think s1 could have made good on all those creepy promises. that ending/finale was one of the all time TV letdowns

calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:53 (one year ago) link

yeah all those gret things about season 1, in the end, didn't amount to jack shit from what I recall.

Season 2: had two great scenes, one was at that house (sex party? brothel? can't remember) and the other was watching fucking Vince Vaughn bleed to death in the desert (just wish fulfillment for me) and the rest of it was .... I can't remember a single thing. Bird heads that meant nothing.

akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:34 (one year ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vF8GVXj9jw&

Number None, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:39 (one year ago) link

that entire subplot w/Velcoro recording notes to his son was... something

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:45 (one year ago) link

My lesson from S2 was that Vince Vaughan is a terrible fucking actor when he's not doing comedy.

The primary appeal of season 1 (for me) was watching two famous-ass charismatic movie stars being fun as hell to watch. So I didn't mind so much that the story puttered at the end because the focus was still on Woody and Matt being fucking weird and fun. I rewatched the famous long take scene recently and couldn't figure what the fuss was about.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:52 (one year ago) link

(Which is to say, S2's big problem wasn't the dumb convoluted story but the boring leads. Even Rachel McAdams was a misfire.)

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:54 (one year ago) link

the entire season one shtick where Harrelson is a cheater gets really close to derailing into the "HBO means we can be graphic" trap when he ends up hooking up with the woman he helped out as a child

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:55 (one year ago) link

I think that understates the terrible/insane choices made at every level of production on Season 2, Chuck

I mean 50% of the dialogue is not of this earth

Number None, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:11 (one year ago) link

I've come around on Colin Farrell and he could've been great but yeah he had *nothing* to work with

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:12 (one year ago) link

Colin Farrell is a good actor. I forgot he was even in season 2.

akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:16 (one year ago) link

Oh god, you're right, I forgot about Colin Farrell's school bully subplot. He did his best in th circumstances. They should've just had Danny mcbride in the role.

To me Farrell seems like a charismatic actor who's never well cast. Fright Night's the only thing that sticks out that I can recall.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:03 (one year ago) link

fiend for mojitos

j., Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:05 (one year ago) link

iirc

j., Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:05 (one year ago) link

otm

I guess his personal life went off the rails at some point and it’s been a rocky comeback for his career

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:14 (one year ago) link

he's great in the Lobster

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:17 (one year ago) link

and he was good in the Killing of a Sacred Deer too, altho that film on the whole left me cold

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:18 (one year ago) link

in bruges

j., Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:21 (one year ago) link

biting my tongue in re-ligitating season 1's ending and "adolescent philosophizing" but time is a flat circle, etc.

I like this a lot still too...episode 3 felt like place setting, and overall the whole thing feels like it's still in the wind-up...but there's a problem with the central case itself not being that interesting just yet. Assuming many shoes are left to drop.

ryan, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:33 (one year ago) link

Number None OTM season 2 was really obviously a first draft rushed into production. Farrell in particular did tremendous work trying to make something of what he was given.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:34 (one year ago) link

I'd like to re-watch season 2 again someday...there was something profoundly alienating about it but I couldn't look away.

ryan, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:35 (one year ago) link

Some sort of Mickey Newbury thing going on with the closing credits huh

Heez, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 04:03 (one year ago) link

I couldn't make it to the half of the first ep of s2... and I loved s1 (with some reserve regarding the ending, obviously) !
I don't know why but I'm not remotely interested in s3.

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 11:45 (one year ago) link

I enjoyed the supernatural hints in S1 so was happy to spot an AD&D manual in the missing boy's room called The Forests of Leng in ep2 of this season. I'm reserving judgement but it certainly is less boring and tortured than the first few eps of S2 that I managed to get through.

Neil S, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 11:52 (one year ago) link

I want more investigation and less soap opera in general, except if the latter involves Ali’s wife, who is gorgeous

calstars, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 14:25 (one year ago) link

I like this a lot still too...episode 3 felt like place setting, and overall the whole thing feels like it's still in the wind-up...but there's a problem with the central case itself not being that interesting just yet. Assuming many shoes are left to drop.
Based on the hints in this episode it certainly seems there's more going on than just random child murder, what with the talk of some unknown couple having stalked the kids way before they disappeared. Also, we found out that the girl's fate still remains a mystery in 2015, so presumably we're gonna see some investigating in that setting too.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 15:16 (one year ago) link

And what about the creepy uncle who bored that hole in the closet to watch his sister bang?

calstars, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 16:01 (one year ago) link

yea that is def gonna factor in somehow imo

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 16:12 (one year ago) link

"except if the latter involves Ali’s wife, who is gorgeous" OMG yes.

akm, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:47 (one year ago) link

also, clearly, Ali's character fucked something up. Was he removed from him job before 1990? He's still a cop but clearly was no longer a detective and it seems like there was possibly some suspected malfeasance on his part?

akm, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:48 (one year ago) link

my guess is the native guy who drives around on the go kart gets made a patsy for the killing and ali's character goes rogue looking for the real guilty party

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:49 (one year ago) link

in 1990.

in 1980 maybe he misses something big, screws up in some way

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:50 (one year ago) link

sorry that's garbled and the timeline makes no sense. i think he both will screw up and go rogue. but since in 1990 the case has been reopened he wouldn't be going rogue looking for the real killer

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:51 (one year ago) link

but somehow he gets kicked off the force in 1990.

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:51 (one year ago) link

my guess is the native guy who drives around on the go kart gets made a patsy for the killing and ali's character goes rogue looking for the real guilty party

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 19:49 (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haven't they already said it's legrange who was put in prison for it first time around? i've only watched the first two episodes. finding it a bit hard going but ali, and yes, wife, are keeping me in there. the balance of mystical or spiritual paranoia and political corruption paranoia was very powerful in the first series (apart from the last three episodes which were just... what a waste). i'm not getting it at the moment in 3 - it's feeling a bit leaden, though again there's a very good feeling for place being complicit in the events.

Haven't watched any of two, were it not for its reputation it would be *extremely* appealing, as LA through mystical paranoia and complicity of place feels A+ for LA, so it's a shame that they ballsed it up. I'm going to read City of Quartz in a few weeks' time and might come back to it then.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 20:14 (one year ago) link

was happy to spot an AD&D manual in the missing boy's room called The Forests of Leng in ep2 of this season

between this and Dorff hassling the kid over his black sabbath shirt and "1980" all of this is screaming "satanic panic" at me

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 20:32 (one year ago) link

otm

also the discovery of the dice in the woods

mh, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 20:34 (one year ago) link

ah fuck i forgot that

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 20:55 (one year ago) link

Ali's character mentions in the latest episode that some folks started to believe D&D was corrupting kids, but he says it in an offhand manner that suggests he or the other cops didn't really buy that.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 21:45 (one year ago) link

Ali's character mentions in the latest episode that some folks started to believe D&D was corrupting kids, but he says it in an offhand manner that suggests he or the other cops didn't really buy that.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 21:53 (one year ago) link

But yeah, based on what Dorff says when being interviewed in this week's episode, seems like Ali and the DA guy had some falling off that lead to him being demoted. So maybe the DA believed in the Satanic theory while he didn't?

Tuomas, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 21:55 (one year ago) link

The implication is that the DA is already (in the 1980s timeline) wrecking parts of the investigation and all indications are that he's going to force them down a road. Probably one that forces them to a particular non-suspect and forces a quick resolution, meaning they won't have the resources to investigate leads like the brown car.

mh, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 22:07 (one year ago) link

I don’t buy the satanic angle. Sabbath t shirts and D&D stuff was pretty common during that time

calstars, Wednesday, 23 January 2019 23:47 (one year ago) link

so was satanic panic linked to it tho! especially by moral right wing crusaders.

Fizzles, Thursday, 24 January 2019 06:48 (one year ago) link

Yes, that was a huge contributing factor in the West Memphis Three case.

ShariVari, Thursday, 24 January 2019 07:43 (one year ago) link

Partial challop drop (No thread derail please) : those docs on wm3 are very tendentious and lots of what is presented as fact in them is false.

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 24 January 2019 08:31 (one year ago) link

noted, jim.

Fizzles, Thursday, 24 January 2019 09:14 (one year ago) link

Otoh prejudice and satanic panic was what lead echolls to be questioned in the first place so it would be disingenuous to say satanic panic played no role in the case

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 24 January 2019 09:25 (one year ago) link

really doubt they'd be so dumb as to misfire in this way but I had a fleeting moment of worry thinking "oh no, what if Pizzolatto thought it'd be edgy to do a satanic panic plot... but it's all true"

mh, Thursday, 24 January 2019 15:06 (one year ago) link

well either he's bluffing or...

People have noted the comparison to the West Memphis 3 “Satanic panic” case, how of much of that is an inspiration if any?

Not at all. You’re moved off that pretty quickly. It’s really not informed by that.

Number None, Thursday, 24 January 2019 15:12 (one year ago) link

good

calumy (rip van wanko), Thursday, 24 January 2019 16:00 (one year ago) link

the dialogue in this show is very bad.

the first date scene in the latest episode was a case in point.

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 January 2019 20:30 (one year ago) link

yeah lots of cringeworthy dialog in that episode unfortunately

Heez, Monday, 28 January 2019 20:54 (one year ago) link

- so you're a catholic, eh
- yeah. you?
- baptist
- I knew a baptist guy in vietnam
- oh yeah, what happened to him?
**stares out window and quietly makes a gun shot sound**

Heez, Monday, 28 January 2019 20:57 (one year ago) link

hahaha

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:03 (one year ago) link

imagine a guy from arkansas saying "knew a baptist guy in vietnam" in the first place. like you knew plenty of baptist folks in general you're form arkansas ffs

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:04 (one year ago) link

I bought it as a thing he says to all baptists

why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:14 (one year ago) link

or maybe even more generally, say at the grocery store:

- twinkies, eh?
- yeah.
- more of ho ho man myself
- I knew a ho ho guy in vietnam
- oh yeah, what happened to him?
**stares at magazine rack and quietly makes a gun shot sound**

why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:22 (one year ago) link

or returning from duty in vietnam:

- survived vietnam, eh?
- yeah.
- more of a get-shot-in-vietnam man myself
- I knew a get-shot-in-vietnam guy in vietnam
- oh yeah, what happened to him?
**stares at 'more of ho ho man myself' in ilx post**

why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:29 (one year ago) link

it's a good show u ding dongs

calumy (rip van wanko), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:56 (one year ago) link

i agree but last night's episode was not great

Heez, Monday, 28 January 2019 21:59 (one year ago) link

xp i knew a ding dong guy in vietnam

why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 January 2019 22:11 (one year ago) link

insert ho ho ho chi minh joek

Οὖτις, Monday, 28 January 2019 22:13 (one year ago) link

I like the dialogue!

ryan, Monday, 28 January 2019 22:34 (one year ago) link

i knew a dialogue guy in vietnam

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 January 2019 22:37 (one year ago) link

This is the episode that Milch worked on iirc...

Number None, Monday, 28 January 2019 22:40 (one year ago) link

lol.

like that part made me chuckle. plus the weird beat after where you are waiting for a cut or for the next scene and it doesn't come. i also thought the date scene at the nice restaurant was tremendous! so many evasions and doubled meanings.

tbf i also liked the dialogue in season 2...but only Farrell was really up to it. the bizarre and often pulpy flourishes in the writing are what keep this show a head above stately prestige tv fair, imo.

ryan, Monday, 28 January 2019 22:42 (one year ago) link

xp

ryan, Monday, 28 January 2019 22:43 (one year ago) link

"how you wear that badge?" "it's got a little clip on it" had me dyin

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 28 January 2019 23:14 (one year ago) link

the bit in the restaurant were he goes "i don't like that word unless it's applied to a man" about the word pussy and she goes "what do you prefer?" or whatevs and he says "cockholster" and they both find it hilarious made me groan

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 January 2019 23:18 (one year ago) link

woah tmi

why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 January 2019 23:28 (one year ago) link

pfft

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 January 2019 23:28 (one year ago) link

the bit in the restaurant were he goes "i don't like that word unless it's applied to a man" about the word pussy and she goes "what do you prefer?" or whatevs and he says "cockholster" and they both find it hilarious made me groan

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, January 28, 2019

he said "dickholster," which isn't as good (which is why you fixed it for him lol)

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 00:56 (one year ago) link

i really like the actors that play the kids parents. she's great in the 'i have the soul of a whore' scene

Heez, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 03:43 (one year ago) link

David Milch cowrote this episode and the unrealisitic dialogue showed it (particularly in the argument Hays had with his wife and 'soul of a whore')

akm, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 14:40 (one year ago) link

That bit where the TV producer/interviewer says “I’m not going to show you all my cards yet” was like oh hello contrived detective show.

DJI, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 16:07 (one year ago) link

I keep thinking of Sarah Gadon's presence in Cronenberg films and expect the interviews to go in a weird direction

mh, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 16:15 (one year ago) link

It's pretty facile to point to Milch as the primary reason for "unrealistic" dialogue. Pizzolatto is more than capable of that on his own

Number None, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 17:36 (one year ago) link

I can definitely see them bringing out the worst in each other though

Number None, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 17:38 (one year ago) link

i liked her line about 'you only stand upright out of habit' though.

akm, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 06:54 (one year ago) link

yeah that was a thump to the chest

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 18:52 (one year ago) link

thought last night's ep was much better.

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 4 February 2019 17:03 (one year ago) link

they're definitely having fun with the multiple era linkage

the scene where the older, senile Hays is looking for his family only to see a flashback to the '90s, and the flashback Hays is remembering his blood-covered self from a decade earlier in the window reflection was a interesting visual linkage

mh, Monday, 4 February 2019 17:27 (one year ago) link

kind of felt like most of this episode was treading water though it did have two major things in it (the phone call from Julie and the reunion of the two detectives); but it took a long time to get there. guess it's the mid-point in the series though.

intrigued by Julie's "the man pretending to be my dad" comment.

also clearly by the 'present' time it appears that she has never resurfaced.

akm, Monday, 4 February 2019 18:04 (one year ago) link

they may play it a different way, but given her phone call and the drifter kid's description of things she'd said, I get the impression that she was abducted and also brainwashed by whoever took her into thinking her dad was a horrible abuser

the cops seemed as if they were suspicious he might be culpable, though

mh, Monday, 4 February 2019 18:11 (one year ago) link

i liked that episode! so bill clinton did all of this, right

Heez, Monday, 4 February 2019 19:31 (one year ago) link

Pizzolattogate

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 4 February 2019 19:33 (one year ago) link

So, based on how this week's episode, it seems either the story does tie in with season 1, or else they're just imitating its plot a bit too closely. Still, it's nice to story is finally moving forward, and I did appreaciate the talk Hays had with his son about his infidelity and about fear, that was a good little scene.

Tuomas, Monday, 11 February 2019 17:58 (one year ago) link

"So, based on how this week's episode, it seems either the story does tie in with season 1" ??? how so?

My feeling is that this will end fairly unsurprisingly although probably in a satisfactory manner. My guess is the wife sold off the daughter, or gave the daughter to someone; or they took her for some reason. Perhaps dude wasn't the real father after all as implied. Wife was certainly paid to do something for those 8 years; guy new exactly which house to go to.

The scene of him entering the house was a little too You Were Never Really Here though.

akm, Monday, 11 February 2019 18:25 (one year ago) link

unless you mean the secret society...in which case, yeah, maybe those do connect.

akm, Monday, 11 February 2019 18:29 (one year ago) link

Yeah that's what I meant... Both seasons have rich and powerful local authority figures (Tuttle in S1, Hoyt in this one) kidnapping girls for sinister reasons... And we know Tuttle's conspiracy was active in the early '90s, so either there's a connection, or they're really just rehashing ideas from season one.

Tuomas, Monday, 11 February 2019 19:49 (one year ago) link

Maybe Pizzolatto is even trying to make up for how pointless and anticlimactic the whole conspiracy plot turned out to be in S1... I doubt this one is gonna end with a corny horror movie villain.

Tuomas, Monday, 11 February 2019 19:59 (one year ago) link

I'm really creeped out by pink prison basement

I was initially scared that the cop-turned-security guy was going to flip a switch and Tom would get locked in that room with the bank vault door without seeing a soul

mh, Monday, 11 February 2019 20:02 (one year ago) link

I'm guessing Tom kills cop-turned-security guy which is why he vanished during the second investigation. not sure what's going to happen to tom though.

akm, Monday, 11 February 2019 20:07 (one year ago) link

this is a show where my immediate response is "yeah, I hope he takes out that guy. had it coming."

mh, Monday, 11 February 2019 21:18 (one year ago) link

My current theory is that Julie is safe in 1990 and is being put in danger by the investigation and that maybe even Hayes and West are being used by certain "nefarious men" to find her.

ryan, Monday, 11 February 2019 22:11 (one year ago) link

this season is not bringing me joy, less so than even season 2 :(

johnny crunch, Monday, 11 February 2019 22:15 (one year ago) link

I like mahershadorff more than mattharrelson. so I will enjoy the last quarter of this season no matter what.

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 11 February 2019 22:48 (one year ago) link

just hope mahershala says that time is a conic frustum before it's over

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 11 February 2019 22:49 (one year ago) link

we got carcosa last night

googling around I was surprised to find so many people leaning on the theory that henry and elisa are having an affair (totally missed this) or that they are partners and there is no documentary

akm, Monday, 18 February 2019 17:58 (one year ago) link

Theory? Wasn't it explicitly revealed in last week's episode that they are having an affair?

As for the other theory, why would Henry scam his dad instead of, you know, just asking Wayne to tell him about the case? Sounds far-fetched.

Tuomas, Monday, 18 February 2019 21:58 (one year ago) link

The way everyone in this episode emphasised the pedophile ring theory, together with the corrupt cop telling the detectives they don't know what's really going on, makes me think that Pizzolatto is gonna pull a twist ending and it's not a pedophile conspiracy, nor related to season 1, but something else.

They spent an awful lot talking about Hoyt's daughter for that to be irrelevant, so maybe the kids were for some reason meant for her? She was probably living in the pink room seen in the previous ep.

Tuomas, Monday, 18 February 2019 22:03 (one year ago) link

They said Hoyt's daughter lost her husband and kid in a car crash and went kinda nuts after that... So maybe Julie was kidnapped to become a replacement daughter daughter for her? And if she was brainwashed to believe the daughter is her real mom, that would explain the confused phone message she left for the cops.

Tuomas, Monday, 18 February 2019 22:10 (one year ago) link

My wild ass theory is that this season will bleed directly into the next, somehow.

Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 18 February 2019 22:16 (one year ago) link

The way everyone in this episode emphasised the pedophile ring theory, together with the corrupt cop telling the detectives they don't know what's really going on, makes me think that Pizzolatto is gonna pull a twist ending and it's not a pedophile conspiracy, nor related to season 1, but something else.

Yeah, there's something to this. The replacement daughter scenario definitely feels more likely than pedophile ring...That said, I'm not getting the sense the ending will be a full scooby doo style retcon of the season 1 mythology.

ryan, Monday, 18 February 2019 22:39 (one year ago) link

(I should say, the mythology as interpreted by Rust...who is in a lot of ways a mirror image of Wayne. Rust has lots of self-knowledge, is a kind of super-hero detective, remembers everything, incredibly introspective...the opposite of Wayne, for whom this story seems to heading in the direction of a rather severe self-reckoning.)

ryan, Monday, 18 February 2019 22:43 (one year ago) link

just watched ep 4 and you guys weren't wrong, it was bad. the race stuff was just terribly written/conceived. makes me wanna bail but i'll watch 5 tonight and see how i feel.

calumy (rip van wanko), Monday, 18 February 2019 22:44 (one year ago) link

I don’t know why, but I find nic pizzolatto hanging out in his comments telling people that their true detective theories are wrong extremely funny pic.twitter.com/kFkYY8cOY1

— Nick Usen (@nickusen) February 18, 2019

Number None, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 18:46 (one year ago) link

oh man

I haven't read it but apparently there's an interview where he gets angry about people reading things into the subtext that he didn't intentionally put there

at some point a good writer tends to say things like "that's not what I intended, but.." or "that's interesting, I hadn't thought about it that way" but he's out there fighting fires

mh, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 18:48 (one year ago) link

i could see it being annoying tho. people watch tv and use the same great minds that brought you the flat earth or pizzagate to interpret what's happening in a show

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 18:53 (one year ago) link

iirc the question was whether there was a homoerotic subcontext between Tom and West in season 3

I mean, maybe something jumps out later that makes it a definitive no, but given what we've seen you could definitely interpret that

it reads more like empathy from a long-term alcoholic for a closeted gay man who has drinking problems. but hey, ambiguous subtext

mh, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 19:16 (one year ago) link

"Theory? Wasn't it explicitly revealed in last week's episode that they are having an affair?" If it was I completely missed that scene which is entirely possible since watching TV at my house means also having to take breaks and tell my dogs to stop fucking barking because the neighbor dared to close their car door too loudly

akm, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:18 (one year ago) link

yeah it did happen last week. him and his dad talked about it

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:19 (one year ago) link

iirc the question was whether there was a homoerotic subcontext between Tom and West in season 3

I mean, maybe something jumps out later that makes it a definitive no, but given what we've seen you could definitely interpret that

it reads more like empathy from a long-term alcoholic for a closeted gay man who has drinking problems. but hey, ambiguous subtext

― mh, Tuesday, February 19, 2019 11:16 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i guess this isn't the most unreasonable fan theory I've heard

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:20 (one year ago) link

it's a really great example of a possible subtext that changes how you could perceive aspects of the show differently without really affecting the overall plot

mh, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:29 (one year ago) link

this looks shipped. i can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few ships in my time.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:33 (one year ago) link

I don't know what that means.

akm, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 21:51 (one year ago) link

i have a theory that the room is fuchsia

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 22:16 (one year ago) link

and the man with one eye has two eyes, one of which is cloudy

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 19 February 2019 22:20 (one year ago) link

going back and reading things I realize I can't remember about 1/2 of season 1. maybe I should revisit it.

akm, Tuesday, 19 February 2019 22:51 (one year ago) link

A couple episodes behind atm but in case y'all were wondering, it seems the true detective is me because from the second they showed the cop pulling the backpack out of the goddamn enormous hole left in the floor by a goddamn landmine explosion I asked 'why tf isn't that thing at least a little singed around the edges?'. Which I believe puts me about a decade ahead of the investigators on the actual case.

St. Boniface, patron saint of boner faces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 February 2019 16:49 (one year ago) link

always gotta be the smartest guy in the room dontcha

j., Friday, 22 February 2019 16:57 (one year ago) link

Somebody's gotta be, goddamnit! (throws case file across the room, stalks out to punch the dash of his squad car between pulls on a flask of cheap whiskey)

St. Boniface, patron saint of boner faces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 February 2019 17:13 (one year ago) link

[]iirc the question was whether there was a homoerotic subcontext between Tom and West in season 3

I mean, maybe something jumps out later that makes it a definitive no, but given what we've seen you could definitely interpret that

it reads more like empathy from a long-term alcoholic for a closeted gay man who has drinking problems. but hey, ambiguous subtext

― mh, Tuesday, February 19, 2019 1:16 PM (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink[]

Woke up this morning thinking about the ep I watched last night (still one behind) and I'm now about 93% sure West is gay. His particular affection for Tom, the comments he's made about Hays's allusions to prison rape, the thing about never having been married even though we saw a scene which seemed to suggest otherwise (church lady was a friend/beard, perhaps helping him to pray the gay away). And I'm guessing this revelation is what led to the partners falling out. Probably should ask Pizzolatto and see how pissed off he gets.

Choose Your Own Disaster (Old Lunch), Saturday, 23 February 2019 14:34 (one year ago) link

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/02/true-detective-roland-gay-tom-theory-daniel-sackheim

the article I was alluding to

mh, Saturday, 23 February 2019 16:12 (one year ago) link

Why tf is Pizzaman actively debunking theories about his show as it airs, does he not know how TV works? That really bugs me a lot for some reason. Like an author standing over your shoulder as you read and ponder the meaning of his words.

Choose Your Own Disaster (Old Lunch), Saturday, 23 February 2019 16:51 (one year ago) link

death of the author can’t come soon enough sometimes

mh, Saturday, 23 February 2019 21:07 (one year ago) link

SPOILERS!
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That was... quite good for a season finale, I thought. Definitely better than the Season 1 ending. It was a bit disappointing that the solution to the mystery was exactly what you'd expect it be, based on the hints last week, but the mystery was never the biggest thing here, so it's okay. Some of it felt overwrought and over-explainy, like those soap-operaish flashback scenes showing exactly what happened to Julie, or Amelia's ghost tying the loose ends for Wayne (and for the viewer I guess, but at that point it was already pretty obvious what had happened even without all the exposition), but I did like her explanation that "sometimes the story goes long enough that you become unbroken". And the way Wayne's memory issues tied to the final closure/non-closure was a nice touch. So yeah, good season, decent ending, nothing mind-blowing but I wouldn't mind seeing more of this, if the quality stays up.

There were a couple of weird dramatic choices, though. Like, what was the point of having some creepy/suspenseful music play when Wayne drives to see whether Julie's still out there? We know Hoyt and her daughter are dead, and Junius Watts proved to be harmless, so was there really anyone threatening them anymore? Also, I'm sure someone smarter me can explain the meaning of the very last scene of Wayne in the jungle... The scene before was played like it would fade to the end titles, so I didn't really get what purpose that one extra bit served?

Tuomas, Monday, 25 February 2019 17:57 (one year ago) link

RESPOSE TO SPOILERS!
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I liked the ending too, but kinda wish the final reveal had been built up more – more earned, instead of it fed to Hays in that weird dream/hallucination (it was sort of hinted at with "does this feel over?" remark). the grounds keeper over-explaining his family history with maintaining properties was a little eye roll-y with what went down in the first season. and maybe i'm thick, but i didn't see the happy(ish) ending coming.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 February 2019 19:53 (one year ago) link

CONTINUED!
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so - the very very, last scene ending. i think a parallel was being drawn between Hays walking off into the jungle and walking off into his future with Amelia. smarter me might know what those parallels are... both probably terrify him.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 February 2019 20:17 (one year ago) link

That last shot was sort of mystifying. Initially, it felt pretty dark, but current feeling is that it's more compassionate: it represents the way trauma works...it will stay with him, it was *always* there, and that this doesn't make moving forward into the future possible. Or something. There's something important about how his "forgetting" Julie allows his own daughter to return into the picture.

Enjoyed this season (maybe the first half of it a bit more than the second), and hoping there's more.

ryan, Monday, 25 February 2019 21:21 (one year ago) link

Guys he’s in a *metaphorical* jungle, y’see?

29 facepalms, Monday, 25 February 2019 21:41 (one year ago) link

ya, i think a 4th season is in the works.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 25 February 2019 22:31 (one year ago) link

that shot in the car where they were different ages and shit was truly horrible. so fuckin corny.

dorff was definitely the true detective in this one, ali spent the whole time acting real hard and those endless conversations with the wife were brutal. stoked for the stephen dorff renaissance

adam, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:16 (one year ago) link

I really liked Dorff in this!

mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:43 (one year ago) link

I liked the dynamic between the two leads but this was a slog, overall, compared to the precious two seasons. Too much relationship/feelings bla bla and not enough creepy Murrica pulpy stuff.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:55 (one year ago) link

*previous not "precious"

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 16:55 (one year ago) link

Carmen Ejogo is probably great, but her american accent got to me in this.

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 17:30 (one year ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/7Jbpy6H.jpg

lol

Number None, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 21:51 (one year ago) link

we are the true detectives!

calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:04 (one year ago) link

wayne and becca had differing opinions about which song should be removed from sgt pepper's to make the album better. amelia was always a ghost. hoping they're deleted scenes on the DVD. but that's the answer.

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:09 (one year ago) link

someone could make fake pizzolatto comments and it’d be the same

mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:13 (one year ago) link

Pizzalatte maybe needs to stfu imho. Put it up on the fucken screen and then step away, good sir.

This finale was very Return of the King/A.I. in its 'oh guess that's the end...whoops no here's the actual ending I suppose...oh wait it appears that another ending is manifesting as I speak'-ness.

Choose Your Own Disaster (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:21 (one year ago) link

I mean he put pretty much everything on screen in that finale. Could have done with stepping away a bit earlier

Number None, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:27 (one year ago) link

I was insanely tired when I watched so I didn't backtrack -- was the woman with the child the same as the woman in the pictures the nun was showing the detectives?

mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:47 (one year ago) link

either way, I thought the implication was that her story was better left ended

and Hays "solving the case" by actually finding her was the resolution he wasn't going to get -- he gets there, but his memory fails, so he's out there forever stuck on a mission. literally, back in the jungle

mh, Tuesday, 26 February 2019 22:50 (one year ago) link

honestly can't tell if pizzolatto's trolling there but he doesn't seem the type

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 26 February 2019 23:48 (one year ago) link

if these are the things he originally felt the show needed or clarifications that have had, we should be congratulating the editors

mh, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 02:20 (one year ago) link

Mh—- uh, yes. She is The missing girl

A twin peaks fb group
Posted some of ghost Amelia’s speech with the image of Cooper at Laura-not-Laura’s door from the finale and I thought it was an interesting parallel:

What if there's another story?
What if something went unbroken?
All this life, all this loss, what if it was really one long story that just kept going and going until it healed itself?

(From True Detective Season 3)

akm, Wednesday, 27 February 2019 06:51 (one year ago) link

i thought this ended well...i nearly bailed after the milch ep, the season lowpoint imo, but it picked up after that; still, i found the tone overall a lil too staid/lifeless, & despite some of the flaws of s1, i much preferred that season

johnny crunch, Friday, 8 March 2019 16:11 (one year ago) link

yeah i know what you mean--it's the difference between Fukunaga and the rotating cast of directors for this season. Fukunaga managed to inject a bit of supernatural horror into the overall atmosphere that was missing here. S3 was more a straight-ahead mystery/crime story, albeit with weird chronology

Neus Anneus (voodoo chili), Friday, 8 March 2019 23:01 (one year ago) link

Halfway through, liking it fine. Definitely more than 2, and within range at least of 1. Very convincing aging job on the three Ali's. He's great as always (although, as seems to be standard with this show, maybe a little too grim and monosyllabic--but they at least let him lighten up when courting Carmen Ejogo), Dorff is surprisingly good, Ejogo better yet. Deft handling of race--not the focus but there.

clemenza, Sunday, 10 March 2019 14:53 (one year ago) link

Found the resolution to the Purcell story a little far-fetched, to say the least. (The pink room was left intact for 20 or 30 years? Really? I would think Mr. June might have gotten in there and destroyed it.) As someone points out above, though, that's just one part among many, and overall I found it all pretty absorbing. Not sure if would hold up to a second viewing, as the first season did for me.

clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 03:31 (one year ago) link

There were some shots of Hays (both younger and older) on the street at night that I thought might have been meant to evoke the opening scene of Get Out.

http://phildellio.tripod.com/ali.jpg

clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 13:35 (one year ago) link

(The pink room was left intact for 20 or 30 years? Really? I would think Mr. June might have gotten in there and destroyed it.)

The room was in Edward Hoyt's mansion, and we don't know when exactly died, but West does mention his estate, so presumably the death was fairly recent, and the mansion hasn't been sold yet. So Mr. June probably didn't have the chance to destroy it. But yeah, it doesn't make much sense Hoyt would keep it intact, given that it ties him to well-known crime. Maybe he felt it was a memento of her dead daughter?

Tuomas, Monday, 11 March 2019 14:41 (one year ago) link

my assumption was that after his death, he left no clear instructions for anyone to deal with the room. June might have just assumed it was someone else's problem, or that it wasn't worth the trouble?

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 11 March 2019 14:52 (one year ago) link

June also subconsciously (well, consciously) wanted to be punished for his crimes, so there's a possibility he wanted it to lead back to him/the Hoyt family.

Neus Anneus (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 March 2019 14:55 (one year ago) link

it's possible the estate would be wrapped up in legal crap for years and everyone would be dead by the time someone found a secret room in the basement of a sprawling mansion

kind of fits with the series theme of buildings in disrepair sitting empty for decades

mh, Monday, 11 March 2019 14:58 (one year ago) link

Yeah, those are all plausible explanations--especially the idea of wanting to be caught.

clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 15:08 (one year ago) link

Didn't know Michael Rooker would show up, recognized him almost immediately (but took a few seconds to place him--I was thinking, "JFK, JFK..."). Solid actor.

clemenza, Monday, 11 March 2019 15:10 (one year ago) link

Michael Rooker fits so well in the world of TD. I'm rooting for him to be one of the leads in the next season, or at least a Dorff-level supporting character.

Neus Anneus (voodoo chili), Monday, 11 March 2019 15:17 (one year ago) link

this was rather lovely.

mr june exposition scene was painful af but allowed the last episode to focus on the relationship and a happy ending, which i was fine with

dorff character is gay for sure but im glad they left it unsaid

plot meh characters good performances good looked great more like this

~mine own~ bitcoin (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 March 2019 00:56 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

really liked this, pl complaining about the dialogue are taking themselves too seriously imho, s3 > s1 > s2

Simon H., Friday, 9 August 2019 12:51 (nine months ago) link


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