US Politics, March 2018: Why do people leave the White House for good?

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demands of career, demands of family life, hate everything, greener cyberpastures, midlife shift to hardline conservatism, price, content, dissatisfaction with available stylesheets, specific user such as Stephen Miller, ILM, no one has left the White House, other please specify

WilliamC, Thursday, 1 March 2018 14:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

kudos to WilliamC for the title

sleeve, Thursday, 1 March 2018 14:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

Leaving it for evil seems even more apropros.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

so, I'm not sure how "Hope Hicks had been thinking of leaving for months" is obvious spin while "Hope Hicks got fired because of the House Intelligence Committee" comments is obvious truth, because A) I assume everyone in the administration, with the possible inclusion of Trump himself, is constantly either thinking about leaving or terrified of being fired, and B) there is no shit so horrifying, no fuckup so massive, that the Trump administration will not overlook and let the person in question keep their jobs, with the exceptions of Rob Porter (overwhelming proof of domestic abuse) and Scaramucci (Scaramucci). "but it isn't about being horrifying, it's about covering their ass." sure, but the "white lies" comment was a day before she got fired. again, has this administration ever shown any signs of having their shit together enough to do anything in one day?

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

THE MOOCH WAS THE MOST TOGETHER OF THEM ALL

j., Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

I mean, if I were the White House trying to spin something, my spin would almost definitely involve the House Intelligence Committee comments, because if you're already trying to convince someone to leave quietly, you couldn't ask for a more perfect excuse to come along

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

The Maggie Haberman snotty response has been that people are still pretending this White House is anything close to logical or normal.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

And by the way, I apparently called it. After her interrogation Trump reportedly berated her, calling her stupid.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

to trump, the greatest sin is admitting that you lied

piper at the gates of d'awwww (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

you're supposed to stand up for what you said, no matter how clearly untrue or idiotic. if you stick your fingers in your ears and yell "LA LA LA" for long enough, people will give up and start getting mad about something else.

piper at the gates of d'awwww (voodoo chili), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

I am fully capable of believing this happened in some form, doubtless with plenty of other factors involved:

Hicks to self/others for some time: "This is all fucking up my life, the guy I was dating is a fuckup, my legal bills, man I gotta leave here at some point."

*testifies to Congress and talking about lying*

Trump to Hicks: "FUCK YOU."

Hicks: "I'm out."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

people are still pretending this White House is anything close to logical or normal

The bigger problem IMO is people not realizing the Trumpoid base regards the churny chaos as a feature, rather than a bug.

it's my leopard. (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

I mean, firing people is kind of his jam, and has been forever.

it's my leopard. (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

TALKING about firing people, or having other people fire people. Firing people to their face, eesh, too much conflict for Liddle Donnie!

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

I see several explanations for Hicks' departure:

1. The White House is a pressure cooker that even in this farce of an administration spits up and chews out those that work for it, especially those least prepared for it. Being called to testify in what may be the biggest criminal probe in American history may or may not have been the icing on the cake.

2. She apparently had intimate relationships with more than one member of the senior staff, including, some have suggested, the President himself, who reportedly has recently been dismissive of her dignity in connection with same, something another workplace might deem actionable conduct. She therefore determined, on top of 1, that the costs of her work environment outweighed the benefits.

3. She is or has been facing serious criminal liability for her role in drafting false public statements that may become the basis for charges of obstruction of justice, and has resigned out of objection to having been put into such a position and/or to concentrate upon same or avoid continued work for those against whom she may have flipped.

4. She is an asset of the American intelligence community installed at the heart of Trump's operation or cultivated after reaching it to gain intelligence on an actor suspected of coordinating criminal financial and domestic political activity with agents of a foreign state. She resigned after being suspected or when her services were no longer needed.

The last is probably a ridiculous theory whose legal ramifications are not what would be desired by intelligence actors who might also pursue criminal charges.

Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

this is a lot of thinking to waste on hope hicks

Simon H., Thursday, 1 March 2018 15:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

Then we may as well ignore the question in the thread title and get back to making up silly nicknames for our Commander in Chief.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

Simon otm

Hicks and people like her: Who the fuck cares? Mouthpieces.

but that's gabbnebism for ya

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

aka 'Versailles syndrome'

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

this is a lot of thinking to waste on hope hicks

― Simon H., Thursday, March 1, 2018 3:59 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There was more typing than thinking involved.

Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

You don't say.

Simon H., Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

No, I type. Rather fast at that.

Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think Hope Hicks is my second favorite Trumpling to think about, after the Mooch. She's like Gary from Veep, but imagine if Gary was made Director of Communication? Nobody would believe that.

Frederik B, Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

I shook my head when y'all fantasized about the Mooch last July too.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

Hope Hicks was a (very young) PR professional before joining Trumpworld, and from a long line of same. It's worth noting, though, that her parents work for/with people who you would not necessarily think of as Trump folks. They met as Congressional staffers in the '80s, he for a "liberal" (and apparently closeted) Northern Republican, she for a blue dog rural Southern Dem, and he went on to work for Roger Goodell, not exactly Trump's best friend, then left after she went to Sauron to help head up the very-Clinton/Gore-tied Glover Park Group. She too came to the Trumps from a substantially Clinton/New York Dem-Tied PR firm. Does this mean she or her parents are secret progressives? No. He's a former oil and tobacco image smoother who donated to Romney in 2007, and his current gig may simply be working for the NFL on the outside, while she may well be an apolitical child of privilege who just lucked into a very unique position. But neither are James Comey or Robert Mueller.

Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 1 March 2018 16:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

NEWS: The bipartisan leaders of the Senate Intelligence Committee have privately concluded that the HPSCI majority leaked Mark Warner's private text messages to Fox News. https://t.co/pn9uLfGtZN

— Nicholas Fandos (@npfandos) March 1, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

LINE BREAKS FFS xp

NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

if that's true that's fucking outrageous

xpost

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

/evergreen us politics thread content

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

Hahah this is my kind of internecine warfare.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

I apllaud moo vaughn just for the chutzpah. #nolinebreaks

Frederik B, Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

Oh, the punishment's far from over.

John Kelly on leaving DHS to become White House chief of staff: "The last thing I wanted to do was walk away from one of the great honors of my life, being the Secretary of Homeland Security, but I did something wrong and God punished me I guess." https://t.co/rBphMQ7Awn

— Gabe Fleisher (@WakeUp2Politics) March 1, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

Nunes needs to be thrown overboard in the middle of the Mediterranean Ocean based on that leak report

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 1 March 2018 17:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

Romeo-Nunez – then a 16-year-old student at St. Michael’s Academy in Manhattan – said at the time that Trump did not do anything to stop the attack. She recalled to The News on Thursday that she had just come out of a store at 45th St. and Ninth Ave. when the incident was ending, and that Trump arrived a few minutes later.

"A car pulls up, he gets out, people acknowledge his presence," she told The News Thursday. "He's looking around, seeing what's going on. Then he got back in and left."

The beatdown was never reported to the police.

Romeo-Nunez said she always wondered who the other unidentified witness was, but said that person's account was not true. The assailant "was running away" as Trump got out of the limo, and the attacker and Trump never spoke to each other, she said.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

FFS what will it take to get Nunes the fuck out of there at least in regards to the Committee? he's a goddamn liar and obstructionist and it's been demonstrated over and over again.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

one of the great honors of my life, being the Secretary of Homeland Security

this is what you're really going to hell for you piece of shit

Simon H., Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

he's a goddamn liar and obstructionist and just the sort of chairperson Speaker Ryan intends to keep on the job

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

He's worth creating a new ocean for, true

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

"He might be a goddam liar and obstructionist, but he's *our* goddam liar and obstructionist!"

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

What possible penalties could Nunes receive?

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

at what point do Nunes actions veer into obstruction or does it not really work like that in his particular position?

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

heh xpost

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

In other news, is there a good way to donate to the striking teachers in WV?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

There's a strike fund - one sec.

Simon H., Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://www.gofundme.com/wv-teachers-strike-fund

Simon H., Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

What possible penalties could Nunes receive?

Theoretcially? Expulsion from the House. Or censure. Or a sternly worded public reprimand from the Ethics Committee. Or a few sharply disapproving looks from his colleagues as they pass in the hallway. Or an all-day lollipop from Speaker Ryan.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

xpost Thanks. Also, can anyone vouch for this one?

https://www.gofundme.com/stoneman-douglas-yearbooks

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

Best I can do is say: looks legit!

Simon H., Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

xpost to Aimless then I'm betting the later takes place

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

*latter

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 1 March 2018 18:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

“The New York Times, a prominent purveyor of leaks, is highlighting anonymous sources leaking information that accuses Republicans of leaking information,” [Nunes spokesman] said. “I’m not sure if this coverage could possibly get more absurd.”

this is some astounding, next-level disingenuousness

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 1 March 2018 19:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

Dow dropped 500 points after tariff announcement

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 1 March 2018 19:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

unpatriotic Wall St fuckers

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 March 2018 19:15 (eight months ago) Permalink


AshLee Strong, spox for Speaker Paul Ryan, on NYTimes story on Intel Cmte/Nunes leak: “The speaker heard the senators on their concerns and encouraged them to take them up directly with their counterparts.”

...

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 1 March 2018 19:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

Dem Congress really needs to be making public statements about this to keep the story afloat. so it will at least be clear that Ryan is willfully letting it continue

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 1 March 2018 19:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

AshLeeeeeeee

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 1 March 2018 19:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

Theoretcially? Expulsion from the House. Or censure. Or a sternly worded public reprimand from the Ethics Committee. Or a few sharply disapproving looks from his colleagues as they pass in the hallway. Or an all-day lollipop from Speaker Ryan.

― A is for (Aimless),

Set on fire. Defenestrated. Wrapped in burlap with a scorpion, asp, and chimp and tossed in the sea.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 March 2018 19:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

People For the American Way, the organization that runs Right Wing Watch, filed suit against the Department of Justice and the Department of Housing and Urban Development today to demand the release of documents concerning reported changes in federal policy toward LGBTQ people.

Right Wing Watch had filed Freedom of Information Act requests with both agencies asking for documents on reported actions removing mentions of LGBTQ people from federal announcements and programs.

These reported actions were being taken quietly and without public announcement, raising the questions of who made the decisions, what the decisions covered, and whether agency staff had been directed to implement certain policies regarding programs affecting LGBTQ people without public knowledge.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/were-suing-two-federal-agencies-to-release-information-on-secret-lgbtq-policy/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 March 2018 20:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

Is there a finite tenure for either Ryan or McConnell or are they just going to continue undermining any steps towards sanity for the next few years anyway.

Stevolende, Thursday, 1 March 2018 20:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

nope

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 March 2018 20:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

Rayburn and Mansfield were speaker and majority leader, respectively, for 15+ years

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 March 2018 20:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

Ryan's been muttering via usual anonymous friends about wanting out this year. I suspect he's considered either alternate fate -- losing the House or stuck carrying Trump's ever more piss-colored water -- to be not worth it.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 March 2018 20:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

Dear God. There’s basically one person left in America who thinks our criminal justice system isn’t punitive enough. His name is Bill Otis. And Trump just nominated him to the US Sentencing Commission. https://t.co/e4jzNbbizX

— Radley Balko (@radleybalko) March 1, 2018

From 2015:

Faced with the choice between two potential errors—continuing to imprison someone who’s no longer a threat and releasing someone who ends up harming new victims—Otis says he’ll opt for the former. “Error is an inevitable fact of life,” he says in an interview. “And the only realistic question that adults can ask is not what system are we going to adopt that is going to avoid error, because there is no such system. The only question you get to ask is, which system is going to give us the fewest errors and who should have to bear the risk of error?”

Though Otis usually eschews the theoretical vocabulary of criminologists for more pungent terms (a favorite device of his is to refer sarcastically to offenders as “Mr. Nicey”), the philosophy he gravitates to has a name: incapacitation. It holds that a surefire solution to crime is to remove likely offenders from society. Otis’ version of the idea embodies what Berkeley law professor Jonathan Simon calls “a kind of axiomatic success that is immune to empirical evidence.” If any parolees commit crime, well, there you go: case closed. And if locking them up is the only true insurance against future crimes, then the best crime prevention measure is locking up more people for longer sentences. Rather than see dramatically declining crime rates as cause for corresponding drops in imprisonment, Otis argues that now is not the time to tinker with a successful formula.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2015/07/bill_otis_meet_the_last_man_standing_who_thinks_criminal_justice_reform.html

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 March 2018 20:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

Is there a finite tenure for either Ryan or McConnell

They will continue to serve until one of the following happens:

  • they resign their position
  • they retire from the House or Senate
  • their caucus votes them out of their leadership positions
  • they lose an election and do not return to Congress
Additionally, if their chamber loses its republican majority, they will not continue as Speaker and Majority Leader, but may still lead their respective caucuses as Minority Leader.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 1 March 2018 20:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

I thought McConnell caused enough trouble in that minority position prior to the Republicans getting into power as it was.
if anybody is going to make an anchor out of Nunes couldn't he help weigh it down, please.

Stevolende, Thursday, 1 March 2018 20:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

your 'left' party at work

https://splinternews.com/democrats-are-trying-to-help-the-banks-racially-discrim-1823427155

fuck Tim Kaine

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

this momentum builds but Ryan had an easy excuse to do it already and pretended he didn't know he could remove Nunes then.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

I weep for them. I cry the bitterest of tears.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

Referring to:

"A former White House official said he's spoken with more aides inside the White House who are trying to leave the administration, but not necessarily getting the kinds of high-paying offers in the corporate world as former aides usually do.”https://t.co/eNVDzBwMxX

— Tom Namako (@TomNamako) March 1, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

I like the wacky sitcom idea of having them all leave and just go open a diner or something.

Wyld Scalyns (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

a PR firm

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

they are so good at it

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

in case anyone wants to see an actual shot from hope hicks' modeling days, there's one here (it's a 2003 ya novel "created by" the woman who wrote the GOSSIP GIRL books)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_It_Girl_(novel)

maura, Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

Popular Gossip Girl character Jenny Humphrey is leaving Constance Billard to attend Waverly Academy, an elite boarding school in New York horse country where glamorous rich kids don't let the rules get in the way of an excellent time. Jenny is determined to leave her crazy Manhattan past behind and become a sophisticated goddess on campus. But first she will have to contend with her self-absorbed roommates, Callie Vernon and Brett Messerschmidt. Hot guys, new intrigue, and more delicious gossip all add up to more trouble than ever for Jenny. But if getting caught up with boys and facing the Disciplinary Committee is what it takes, Jenny is ready. She'll do all that and more to be The It Girl.

this is almost literally the Hope Hicks story

omar little, Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

lol

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

McMaster to leave? Am I really first to post this or do I keep overlooking something?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/white-house-preparing-mcmaster-exit-early-next-month-n852371

Evan, Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

i honestly have trouble keeping the respected-but-totally-reactionary generals straight

goole, Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

Tariff news going over great!

Like most brewers, we are selling an increasing amount of our beers in aluminum cans, and this action will cause aluminum prices to rise. It is likely to lead to job losses across the beer industry. (2/3)

— MillerCoors (@MillerCoors) March 1, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

*Coors headquarters*

"But we're the reactionary fuckheads of the industry!"

"We will be sympathized with."

"..."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

pissing off the intel gangs AND Coors, Yam may find himself taking a Dallas motorcade ride before next Thanksgiving

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

coors is like owned by canadians now and they just hang and do curling and shit, afaict. *looks at brewery from desk* yup.

Hunt3r, Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

Axios reporting that tariff mess exacerbated by absence of Rob Porter and interruption of weekly trade meetings. It's gonna be great fun when a few months from now the WH staff has dwindled to Vince McMahon and a magic eight ball

https://www.axios.com/trump-declares-his-trade-war-targets-steel-aluminum-2f68d5fe-69ec-4872-b1d5-aaae28f7bf4b.html

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 1 March 2018 21:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

pissing off the intel gangs AND Coors

video game bros are also unhappy now

mookieproof, Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

McMaster to leave? Am I really first to post this or do I keep overlooking something?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/white-house-preparing-mcmaster-exit-early-next-month-n852371

― Evan,

i had no idea. the report says "exclusive" and it was published about 20 minute ago, it looks like

WASHINGTON — The White House is preparing to replace H.R. McMaster as national security adviser as early as next month in a move orchestrated by chief of staff John Kelly and Defense Secretary James Mattis, according to five people familiar with the discussions.

The move would be the latest in a long string of staff shakeups at the White House over the past year and comes after months of strained relations between the president and McMaster.

A leading candidate to become President Donald Trump’s third national security adviser is the auto industry executive Stephen Biegun, according to the officials.

i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

third national security adviser is the auto industry executive Stephen Biegun

just trying to let this sink in.

i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

xps re: tariffs the solar racking/mounting industry is also pissed fwiw

sleeve, Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

john bolton is available

mookieproof, Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

Stephen picked because his last name has the word gun in it

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

then again, i thought rex tillerson would be spectacularly unqualified but i guess his years of figuring out how to enrich he and his friends exploiting the resources of other countries did a pretty good job of preparing him to be the face of US foreign policy

i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

Hadrian, it's possible that Vince McMahon and a Magic 8 ball would do a better job

Wyld Scalyns (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

oh. looks like biegun actually has a lot of experience. once again i stick the foot in mouth

Vice President, International Governmental Affairs, Ford Motor Company

Stephen E. Biegun is a corporate officer and vice president of International Governmental Affairs for Ford Motor Company. In this role for Ford, Mr. Biegun oversees all aspects of Ford’s international governmental relations, including trade strategy and political risk assessment.

Prior to joining Ford, Mr. Biegun served as national security advisor to Senate Majority Leader, Senator Bill Frist, M.D. In this capacity, he provided analysis and strategic planning for the United States Senate’s consideration of foreign policy, defense and intelligence matters, and international trade agreements.

Before joining the staff of the Majority Leader, Mr. Biegun worked in the White House from 2001-2003 as Executive Secretary of the National Security Council. He served as a senior staff member to the National Security Advisor, Condoleezza Rice, and performed the function of chief operating officer for the National Security Council.

https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/fna/us/en/people/stephen-e--biegun.html

i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

On the Coors, thing is that the original owners probably own quite a bit of stock and/or have some say in the combined Molson Coors company as those kind of mergers/buyouts are often paid in stock back. I'm sure there are some people that had big money in Coors that now have even more in Molson Coors after the merger and positions in the new beer empire.

earlnash, Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

what could possibly go wrong hiring an auto exec to handle national security?

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

Let's ask Mr. McNamara.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

Meantime

NEW from @NBCNews: Robert Mueller is assembling a case for criminal charges against Russians who carried out hacking of Democrats’ emails -
@KenDilanianNBC reporting now on @msnbc:https://t.co/0AJORDTuRQ

— Kailani Koenig (@kailanikm) March 1, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

He better be careful, I heard they have smart nukes that can avoid detection.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

Would rather see more charges against Americans or anyone who stands a real chance of being arrested.

Moodles, Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think the charges against Russians are functioning politically to legitimize prosecutions of Americans (surely there are more on the way) and beat back WH witch hunt nonsense

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah but also these dudes messed with the elections and have plans for further fuckery

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

we must punish them

j., Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah I guess they think charging actual Russians shows thoroughness and bolsters credibility. It demonstrates that there is some real shit going on, not just a lame-ass Dem fairy tale.

All that said, it would feel emotionally much better if DT went down over the obstruction, not the (rather more hazy and abstract) "collusion."

Wyld Scalyns (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

let the man do his job

the late great, Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

Obstruction has quite strong evidence already, just based on what has been reported and is in the public record. It will no doubt be addressed in due time. Indictments of close advisors and aides who are implicated in the obstruction will probably come first. Mueller is busy building a pyramid and the indictments so far are the base and another course or two. The pinnacle is still a ways off.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

collusion way sexier imo

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

Mr. Biegun, born 1963, graduated from the University of Michigan where he studied Political Science and Russian Language [...] and is a member of the boards of the US-Russia Foundation for Economic Development and the Rule of Law, the Moscow School of Politics, Freedom House, the US-Russia Business Council, the US-ASEAN Business Council and FordSollers, Ford Motor Company’s joint venture operating in the Russia Federation.

Russia Russia Russia.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

After a crazy 24 hours, sources close to President Trump say he is in a bad place — mad as hell about the internal chaos and the sense that things are unraveling.

wasn't this lede written in March 2017?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

biegun is a condoleezza rice protege, i'm told

mookieproof, Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

horserace-bred journalists having a hard time adopting an intelligible frame for a year and a half of incompetent blundering and constant lack of direction

j., Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

i am not a lawyer so: to what extent can this recent kushner new be construed as ~actually criminal~ vs merely corrupt? like, is there anything actionable?

gbx, Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

Praying the normal Republican with the Russia connections gets it over Bolton.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

xpost Just more ethical violations and conflicts of interest, you know, the new normal. Nothing will happen, vote in November.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 1 March 2018 22:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

Bolton will never get a job in the Trump administration. Trump's hatred of mustaches is right up there with his hatred of stairs and rare steak.

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 1 March 2018 23:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

lmao pic.twitter.com/JNM1QySJoz

— maya kosoff (@mekosoff) March 1, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 1 March 2018 23:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

Russia Russia Russia.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, March 1, 2018 10:45 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/470558862387720192/tn7KU7qe.jpeg

Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 1 March 2018 23:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

Wondering if Bolton has thought “I know I really want more war but how badly? Do I want it ‘shave my mustache’ bad?”

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 1 March 2018 23:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

Why in the world would anyone expect Trump to know the first thing about video games?

Moodles, Thursday, 1 March 2018 23:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

Here we go—all 55 counties in WV have cancelled school. The strike is headed for day 7 #55strong #55united pic.twitter.com/Cxiuq5NL90

— Scott Heins (@scottheins) March 1, 2018

Simon H., Thursday, 1 March 2018 23:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

That darned mafia!

Rick Gates tells judge he's canceling Boston trip due to threat invoking Russian mafia https://t.co/bcSe0AecYH

— Evan Pérez (@evanperez) March 1, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 March 2018 00:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

President CommentsSection/EndBarstool at it again (wrt video games causing violence, harsh laws best way to tackle drug problem). He really has no informed opinion about anything huh.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 March 2018 00:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

really sucks that any opinion this moron spouts is giving any sort of credence

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 March 2018 00:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

given

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 March 2018 00:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

"I liked the first season better."

Bannon: There was less White House "chaos" when Priebus was there https://t.co/dQB1utstID pic.twitter.com/KQV5gE3pBY

— The Hill (@thehill) March 1, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 March 2018 00:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

good catch from a friend of mine, hadn't seen this posted yet:

Strange things are happening at the Trump International Hotel and Tower in Panama.

Armed guards and riot police. Shredded files and members of the Trump building security arrested. All while the building’s majority owner tries to sever ties with the Trump brand.

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-panama-hotel-investigation-5a49443c387f/

sleeve, Friday, 2 March 2018 01:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

I read this three times and now I'm seeing stars https://t.co/CCt1oyZEhU pic.twitter.com/vt424YkPUt

— Mark Berman (@markberman) March 2, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 March 2018 04:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

Wow.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 March 2018 04:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

More twists:

WASHINGTON — The top lobbyist for the National Rifle Association claimed late Thursday that President Trump had retreated from his surprising support a day earlier for gun control measures after a meeting with N.R.A. officials and Vice President Mike Pence in the Oval Office.

The lobbyist, Chris Cox, posted on Twitter just after 9 p.m. that he met with Mr. Trump and Mr. Pence, saying that “we all want safe schools, mental health reform and to keep guns away from dangerous people. POTUS & VPOTUS support the Second Amendment, support strong due process and don’t want gun control. #NRA #MAGA.”

Mr. Trump tweeted about an hour later, “Good (Great) meeting in the Oval Office tonight with the NRA!”

Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary, declined to provide details about the previously unannounced meeting. A spokeswoman for the N.R.A.’s lobbying arm, which Mr. Cox leads, did not respond to requests for further comment.

But the twin tweets suggest that it may have taken the gun rights group a little over a day to persuade the president to back away from his apparent embrace of Democratic gun control measures during a remarkable, televised meeting on Wednesday with members of Congress.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 March 2018 04:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

Shocking

i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Friday, 2 March 2018 04:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

Breaking news: the insentient cassette tape currently sitting in as our president contains a new message after someone recorded over the previously-recorded message. More at 11.

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 March 2018 04:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

Taped over the piss tape with another piss tape.

...some of y'all too woke to function (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 2 March 2018 05:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

I know better than to do this but President Piss Tape Loop appeals.

startled macropod (MatthewK), Friday, 2 March 2018 06:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

the power of propaganda: trump goes after the NFL and beer and republicans still back him

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 2 March 2018 09:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

when you desperately need mother pic.twitter.com/Ytn8EqyRsc

— Ashley Feinberg (@ashleyfeinberg) March 2, 2018

Simon H., Friday, 2 March 2018 11:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

So he has Melania sitting beside him and he puts his hand on Pence's knee. OK.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Friday, 2 March 2018 11:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

"I'm sorry to have to break this but I've met someone else..."

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Friday, 2 March 2018 11:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

So he has Melania sitting beside him and he puts his hand on Pence's knee. OK.

― Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Friday, March 2, 2018

Wouldn't you?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 March 2018 11:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

When a country (USA) is losing many billions of dollars on trade with virtually every country it does business with, trade wars are good, and easy to win. Example, when we are down 00 billion with a certain country and they get cute, don’t trade anymore-we win big. It’s easy!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 2, 2018

We must protect our country and our workers. Our steel industry is in bad shape. IF YOU DON’T HAVE STEEL, YOU DON’T HAVE A COUNTRY!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 2, 2018

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Google Atheist (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 2 March 2018 13:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

why is steel more important than any other industry?

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 2 March 2018 13:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

Someone's copy editing those tweets

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 March 2018 13:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

Is "trade" just a word in his head with no connection to the $100bn of actual stuff that comes in and ends up in eg shops where people can buy stuff? Does he think everyone gets everything from the black market, not just guns? I don't even know why I wonder questions like this about him.

stet, Friday, 2 March 2018 13:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

Pres. Trump attacks 'Alex' Baldwin for his portrayal on "Saturday Night Live," tweeting that it was "agony for those who were forced to watch." https://t.co/SHpRh5ZPHB pic.twitter.com/MKGJXWsc6H

— ABC News (@ABC) March 2, 2018

before he fixed the spelling

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 2 March 2018 13:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

even a broken clock etc

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 2 March 2018 13:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'm sure I've said this before at some point but if he signed an executive order to cancel SNL I'd go campaign for him tbh

Simon H., Friday, 2 March 2018 13:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

lol "alex baldwin"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 2 March 2018 13:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

he's such a great businessman, I'm sure he's got this

papa don't take no meth (stevie), Friday, 2 March 2018 13:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

Wait, what about coal? Don't forget about coal! No coal, no Coal Country!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 March 2018 14:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

Wait, what about big? Don't forget about big!

Mark G, Friday, 2 March 2018 14:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

things without which you don't have a country

coal
steel
tv
wall
hair

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 2 March 2018 14:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

It's easy!

Doctor Casino, Friday, 2 March 2018 14:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

Donald Trump genuinely has no understanding of or interest in the systems which underpin this or any other country. As long as his Fox News and his Twitter and his taco bowl deliveries continue unabated, it's aaaaaaall good.

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 March 2018 14:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

so relatable

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 2 March 2018 14:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

so if we're getting steel from the other countries, doesn't that mean that THEY don't have a countries?

AND that we have their steel?

so that we DO have a country?? AND steel???

i was never any good at economics or breathing

j., Friday, 2 March 2018 14:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

Does the US have a strategic steel reserve? We should!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 March 2018 14:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

Sure we do. I mean, it feels right. Why not.

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 March 2018 14:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

we should built a vault and store all the steel in the world in it. then charge people to take their pictures with it.

President Keyes, Friday, 2 March 2018 14:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

vault should be wall-shaped and extend along border w Mexico

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 2 March 2018 14:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

he'll change his tune once he realizes this guy's black

https://heroichollywood.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/steel-137010-1024x640.jpg?x42694

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 2 March 2018 14:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

"did i say Steel? i meant The Eradicator"

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 2 March 2018 14:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

someone tell him christopher steele isn’t just a name, he’ll change his mind right quick

NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 March 2018 14:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

I can't believe our dilemma is real
Prez Trump is tweeting bout the trade of steel

Doctor Casino, Friday, 2 March 2018 14:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

we want an america that's american, not a second-rate canada

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fa/Rush_Caress_of_Steel.jpg

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Friday, 2 March 2018 14:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

based on the "last thing he heard" principle i suspect we can get the tariffs lifted again by piping in some Devo and suggesting that many people in Akron are saying we should twist away the gates of steel

Doctor Casino, Friday, 2 March 2018 15:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

"trade wars are good, and easy to win. Example, when we are down $100 billion with a certain country and they get cute, don’t trade anymore-we win big. It’s easy!"

ohhhhhh my fucking god the depths of this man's idiocy still continue to astound

circa1916, Friday, 2 March 2018 15:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

Since CD-RWs often eventually degrade and quit working altogether, I spend my days hoping that the CD-RW equivalent of a human brain does likewise. Looking forward to presidential statements that sound like Oval tracks.

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 March 2018 15:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

trade wars are good, and easy to win
trade wars are good, and easy to win
trade wars are good, and easy to win
trade wars are good, and easy to win
trade wars are good, and easy to win
trade wars are good, and easy to win
trade wars are good, and easy to win

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 2 March 2018 16:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

they get cute, don’t trade anymore-we win big.

Game theory!

jmm, Friday, 2 March 2018 16:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

If you get to keep all the goods that you're exporting that is a bonus isn't it?

Stevolende, Friday, 2 March 2018 16:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

Sure. You can just go swimming through the oceans of surplus like Scrooge McDuck. Winning!

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 March 2018 16:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

the scrooge mcduck toys in the big floating trash gyre over there --->

Hunt3r, Friday, 2 March 2018 16:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

Real wars are good and easy to win too. When they not looking, shoot at them-we win big.

Evan, Friday, 2 March 2018 16:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

The Pence thing is interesting. I interpret potentially as attempted dominance behavior from someone who knows what a homophobe he is, which makes me ask how Pence may be threatening Trump at the moment.

Moo Vaughn, Friday, 2 March 2018 16:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

dude

Simon H., Friday, 2 March 2018 16:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

his brain is leaking out through his ears

Simon H., Friday, 2 March 2018 16:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

blended haircut might help with that

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 2 March 2018 16:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

moo vaughn and his team of behavioural profilers, yesterday

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4200000/Lie-to-Me-cast-lie-to-me-4292033-469-311.jpg

NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 March 2018 16:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

Did you enjoy that show? My friend created it.

Moo Vaughn, Friday, 2 March 2018 16:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

"trade wars are good," trump says as the stock market screams

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Friday, 2 March 2018 16:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

Trumpers will scream "fake news" as the first warhead hits and their flesh is torn from their body and their eyeballs melt.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 2 March 2018 16:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

Screaming stock markets are good! It can't be dead if it's screaming.

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 March 2018 16:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

Melting eyeballs are good! Who wants to see all that flesh being torn from your body? Not me! Gross! Sad!

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 March 2018 16:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

wait we all know what I'm referencing right https://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/obama-bee-attack-easter-children-screaming-116704

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Friday, 2 March 2018 16:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

well that sure was a collection of links you just posted

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 2 March 2018 17:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

I can't tell how I feel about the prospect of this turning into a simon vs. gabbneb thread. I guess I wouldn't miss it much.

El Tomboto, Friday, 2 March 2018 17:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

US Politics, March 2018: I guess I wouldn't miss it much

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 March 2018 17:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

maybe those links could be contextualized in a 100-post tweetstorm.

JoeStork, Friday, 2 March 2018 17:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

oh god if I ever post to this thread more than 5 times in a 12-hour span from here on out, please fp me xps

Simon H., Friday, 2 March 2018 17:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

Did you enjoy that show? My friend created it.


no it was terrible

NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 March 2018 17:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

ban gabbneb

sleeve, Friday, 2 March 2018 17:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

hey, it's good to be in Da Inner Circle

Billionaire investor and longtime Trump confidant Carl Icahn dumped $31.3 million of stock in a company heavily dependent on steel last week, just days before Trump announced plans to impose steep tariffs on steel imports.

In a little-noticed SEC filing submitted on February 22, 2018, Icahn disclosed that he systematically sold off nearly 1 million shares of Manitowoc Company Inc. Manitowoc is a “is a leading global manufacturer of cranes and lifting solutions” and, therefore, heavily dependent on steel to make its products....

cahn, a billionaire investor with far-flung holdings, is a close associate of Trump — who invoked Icahn’s name repeatedly on the campaign trail. Once in office, Trump installed Icahn as a “special adviser,” although Icahn did not not unwind his business entanglements before accepting the position.

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-ichan-steel-imports-cf7deb8beaf0/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 March 2018 17:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

Does that technically count as insider trading (assuming for the sake of argument that we still live in a world where things are illegal and subject to punishment of some sort)?

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 March 2018 17:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'm genuinely surprised that the people in Trump's circle don't just drop by the mint on occasion and load their pockets with fresh bills. I mean why the fuck not.

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 March 2018 17:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

So, with McMaster hitting the road, and Kelly feuding with Jared, Ivanka and Don Jr., how many more weeks does Kelly have before he's unceremoniously dumped? Not that it matters much, since the Supreme Leader will still be there, but it's crazy how many people he's discarded or alienated in just over a year.

That one-off story someone posted, that if Kelly leaves he'll do without a Chief of Staff, seems increasingly believable. It would appeal to Trump as a way of disguising the fact that no one on earth wants to work for him who can also pass a security clearance. He'd just announce this is how he likes to run the White House and because he's such a genius it'll work out better than any White House has ever been run before.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 2 March 2018 17:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

why is steel more important than any other industry?

I can't tell if this is a serious question but steel production and control of it is, by some magnitude, probably the most important element to any western economy along with food production, which is itself is hugely dependent on the steel industry obviously. you can't compare the production of steel and basic food supplies to any other element of a country's economic strategy; transport, infrastructure, building, food production and manufacture.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 2 March 2018 17:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

don't forget fuel & energy but yeah

the late great, Friday, 2 March 2018 17:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

fwiw the white house denies the NBC report that mcmaster is on his way out:

“Look General McMaster is not going anywhere,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said during an interview with “Fox and Friends” Friday morning. “As the President said yesterday in the Oval Office to a number of people, he thinks he is doing a great job and (is) glad he is here.”

but...pretty sure they say that just before everyone leaves

i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Friday, 2 March 2018 17:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

i didn't mean to just tag that list on at the end, i was in the process of shifting that block of text. xp

Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 2 March 2018 17:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

yes tlg!

Heavy Messages (jed_), Friday, 2 March 2018 17:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

If/when Trump does away with the position of CoS, it'll be like Home Alone except with Culkin just vegging out and mindlessly retweeting Fox News talking points while the Wet Bandits strip his house bare. Dude'll be dead in a week without an active handler (god willing).

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 March 2018 17:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

we should be so lucky

bathed and ready for a snack (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 March 2018 17:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

In case my underlying point wasn't clear: I believe most random eight-year-olds are better equipped to care for their own basic needs over an extended period of time than is our current POTUS.

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 March 2018 18:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

All of this was quite predictable to anyone not in Jared-will-save-Israel-la-la-land

https://www.axios.com/destroying-jared-kushner-a-play-in-5-acts-1519995606-a01f5811-6455-42d6-89cf-edd376c66a04.html

Moo Vaughn, Friday, 2 March 2018 18:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

most 8 year olds don't wear diapers

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 2 March 2018 18:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

The most amazing/horrifying thing about this story is that he will learn absolutely nothing from it, and will behave exactly the same way the next time things don't go his way for more than 24 hours in a row.

With global markets shaken by President Donald Trump's surprise decision to impose strict tariffs on steel and aluminum imports, the president went into battle mode on Friday: "Trade wars are good, and easy to win," he wrote on Twitter.

But the public show of confidence belies the fact that Trump's policy maneuver, which may ultimately harm U.S. companies and American consumers, was announced without any internal review by government lawyers or his own staff, according to a review of an internal White House document.

According to two officials, Trump's decision to launch a potential trade war was born out of anger at other simmering issues and the result of a broken internal process that has failed to deliver him consensus views that represent the best advice of his team.

On Wednesday evening, the president became "unglued," in the words of one official familiar with the president's state of mind.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 2 March 2018 19:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

Meanwhile, looks like Mueller is really closing on Kush. Also, Hicks reportedly kept a detailed daily diary!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 March 2018 19:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

On Wednesday evening, the president became "unglued,"

I wonder how they noticed

President Keyes, Friday, 2 March 2018 19:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

It's like suddenly noticing the jagged ceramic shards that have been littering your floor for the past year and commenting, 'huh, guess the vase broke.'

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 March 2018 19:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

In re: Haberman-on-Hicks and everything else, this is not exactly solid journalism but also not a complete waste of time...

http://www.citjourno.org/maggie1

Moo Vaughn, Friday, 2 March 2018 19:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

was announced without any internal review by government lawyers or his own staff...
...was born out of anger at other simmering issues and the result of a broken internal process that has failed to deliver him consensus views that represent the best advice of his team.

the office of the President holds too much power (regardless of how qualified/reckless the current holder of the office is)

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 2 March 2018 19:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

out of curiosity have any yanks spotted TV coverage of the WV teachers' strike yet

Simon H., Friday, 2 March 2018 19:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

only briefly and on the margins, but maybe I'm not watching enough TV

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 2 March 2018 19:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

xpost Dunno, I don't even own a tv.

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 March 2018 19:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

Seriously, though, I watch approximately zero tv news.

Here Comes The Brain Event (Old Lunch), Friday, 2 March 2018 19:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

There was a story about it on the news last night. (I don't have cable; I get network channels through a digital antenna.)

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 2 March 2018 19:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

I kind of wonder if Trump is working with people to work the market as with his Twitter, he can pretty much time to manipulate certain kinds of stocks.

earlnash, Friday, 2 March 2018 23:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

he's actually weirdly not much of an investor himself.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 March 2018 23:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

Roy Moore begs for help w/ legal fees. “My resources have been depleted and I have struggled to make ends meet.” https://t.co/BNwMKQhn0t

— Beth Reinhard (@bethreinhard) March 2, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 3 March 2018 00:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

Has he conceded yet?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 3 March 2018 00:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

Ogre? Oh right, Moore, LOL.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Saturday, 3 March 2018 00:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

When asked if they were going to cover the teachers’ wildcat strike:

We're doing a bit on it tonight.

— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) March 2, 2018

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 3 March 2018 00:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

http://splinternews.com/everyone-in-washington-is-having-a-lovely-time-1823459832🕸


astounding piece of journalism here

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 March 2018 00:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

in further "just stoppin to save some lives before the paula abdul show" news

https://deadspin.com/report-donald-trump-didnt-actually-do-anything-to-free-1823464794

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 3 March 2018 01:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

astounding piece of journalism here

looked to me like she blew the lid off of 'business as usual' to reveal the shocking news that political journalists and people in positions of political power know one another and aren't averse to socializing. they might even do a bit of mutual schmoozing and back-scratching, too.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 3 March 2018 02:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

I was actually already aware of the potomac trash gyre, its just the shape of where we are

Hunt3r, Saturday, 3 March 2018 02:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

I also appreciated the implication that this is unique to DC and not at all what goes on in New York City and its very real and important boroughs such as Brooklyn

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 March 2018 02:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

It's just a thin layer of fauxphisticated NYC blogger snark spread on top of the same provincial attitudes that everyone else in the country expresses towards Washington as if the only people who try to ever make a living here are birthed from pods and/or brainwashed in expensive labs run by the MIC and its proxies. Fucking pisses me off.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 March 2018 02:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

Uh-oh, Tombot's gone native! (I kid, I kid.)

Wyld Scalyns (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 3 March 2018 04:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'm in favor of Beltway denizens being photographed at awkward house parties, it's a quaint DC tradition like wearing button-down shirts to the office

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Saturday, 3 March 2018 04:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

tbf the author is a britishes who i think lives in DC

not that such things don't go on in NYC, but i myself have never hosted politicos here at my important brooklyn pied-à-terre

mookieproof, Saturday, 3 March 2018 04:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

it's very tedious how the world writes about greater Washington like nobody's from there, nobody likes it there, and nothing happens there

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Saturday, 3 March 2018 04:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

i lived in dc for 10 years and the handful of times i interacted with the political machine it was laughably absurd. these people hosting parties with tommy-carrying churchill have no clue about how people live in dc or america at large and deserve to be utterly dragged forever

mookieproof, Saturday, 3 March 2018 04:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

usually when I read accounts from normal people about their tenures working in thinktanks or anything like that in DC they describe it like they lived through the last reel of Society

Simon H., Saturday, 3 March 2018 04:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

mookie otm, those people deserve to be dragged far more intelligently and interestingly than that Instagram listicle or whatever that piece ought to be called.

Lewis Lapham surely wasn’t that good, these people make him look really good, do better

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 March 2018 04:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

silby I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 March 2018 04:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

I’m not being sarcastic! It is tedious that that happens. I am from Arlington!

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Saturday, 3 March 2018 04:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

I’m pro-Washington.

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Saturday, 3 March 2018 04:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

i almost miss lewis lapham's boilerplate us politics --> fall of rome column

he was endlessly ahead of his time

mookieproof, Saturday, 3 March 2018 05:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'm anti-Washington, and Tombot's fury reminds me of his "Chuck Schumer is the senator from NY, OF COURSE he munches Wall Street's ass for cash every waking moment and you shouldn't be remotely upset about it" take.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 3 March 2018 06:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

Josh Marshall introduced the word failson to lots of new people yesterday

Trump gave a failson dork carte blanche to run US foreign policy and he pursued a policy focused on coming up with a billion in personal loans to save the family business his idiocy helped destroy.

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) March 3, 2018

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 March 2018 11:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

btw does anyone have images of Putin's PowerPoint in his Supernuke speech the other day, with the animated missiles pointed at Florida?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 3 March 2018 13:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

I missed tombots stirring defense of ass eating

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 3 March 2018 14:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

Take it to the gay thread, sailor.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 3 March 2018 14:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

ask a tombotty cleaner

bathed and ready for a snack (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 3 March 2018 14:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

🚽 🦆

It was a real lapse in my jingoism when I voted for the Australian version

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 March 2018 14:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

a prolapse

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 3 March 2018 15:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

No wonder he’s grumpy!https://t.co/iVsni6kHR9

— David Axelrod (@davidaxelrod) March 3, 2018

Google Atheist (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 3 March 2018 16:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

Let the man eat

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 3 March 2018 16:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

yes, preferably something coated in arsenic

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 3 March 2018 16:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

Or at least let him go heavy on the dressing.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2018 16:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

imagining a Trump salad having huge chunks of hamburger tossed in and like 2 feet of thousand island

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 3 March 2018 16:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

"imagining"

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 3 March 2018 16:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

I ask you, is a pureed double quarter pounder not technically a soup?

Did you ever see a doffin, did you (Old Lunch), Saturday, 3 March 2018 16:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

Burger smoothie!

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2018 16:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

i.e. artist rendering of the Trump brain.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 3 March 2018 16:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

My wife was a vegetarian for maybe 15 years. When she would visit some of her family in Omaha they (family and restaurants like) just could not make her a salad with no meat for the life of them. She'd order a salad and it would come with bacon, or fish, or something to negate to whole purpose, as if "salad" meant vegetarian no matter what was on or in it.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2018 16:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

In this case, I suspect their real message was: you are deeply wrong to reject meat and if we put some right under your nose when you are hungry, you will come to that happy realization and be saved from your terrible folly.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 3 March 2018 17:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

this is the vegetarian's plight, also people for some reason assuming meat=beef and poultry I guess is a vegetable?

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 3 March 2018 17:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

i had a cousin who was vegetarian in her late teens and college. this was the mid-90s in east Tennessee. it made her parents apoplectic.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 3 March 2018 17:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

(which, tbf, might have been a small bonus for her)

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 3 March 2018 17:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

Well, somebody shot himself right in front of the White House today

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 March 2018 17:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

Another year of this and they'll be lining up around the block

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 3 March 2018 17:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

Instead of Taco Trucks on every corner, we get these...

https://media.giphy.com/media/ENB1fIlVnMRcQ/giphy.gif

...some of y'all too woke to function (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 3 March 2018 17:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

some xposts

i had a vegetarian girlfriend in college who visited family in rural pennsylvania. she told them she didn't eat meat, so they made her hamburger helper.

the late great, Saturday, 3 March 2018 17:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

Georgia rush-removed a $40 million tax break on jet fuel from Delta as punishment for dropping their NRA discount.

Number of tickets sold in the lifetime of the discount program: 13.

just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Saturday, 3 March 2018 17:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

just bein helpful

xpost

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 3 March 2018 17:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

unbelievable.

i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Saturday, 3 March 2018 17:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

the only way to stop a guy with a gun is that same guy with a gun

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 3 March 2018 18:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

Oklahoma teachers might follow W VA's lead

http://ktul.com/news/local/oklahoma-teachers-planning-a-statewide-strike

Simon H., Saturday, 3 March 2018 18:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

This post makes a valid point. Yes, it's bad that Republicans are rescinding a giant corporate tax break to Delta Airlines in order to punish them for not fellating the NRA enough...but giant corporate tax breaks of that sort are themselves bad, and it's important to keep that in mind when it's time to decide whether to scream "Those dastardly Republicans!" or not.

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 3 March 2018 18:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

my concern is that corps learn their 'lesson' and will quickly trade any notional social responsibility for their sweet sweet tax cuts

i mean good on Delta for not going back on it, but might it not cow others into keeping their mouths shut or outright supporting wingnut agendas of their state governments?

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 3 March 2018 18:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

It doesn’t exactly make GA look like a good destination for corporations

Heez, Saturday, 3 March 2018 18:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp I guess this could go in the other thread but while we're on the subject it seems like it would behoove the assorted gun control lobbies to merge and copy the NRA model with membership cards, sticky "lifetime" terms, inflated enrollments etc. I'm not a member of anything besides AAA but I would gladly pony up for such a thing.

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 3 March 2018 18:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

it's important to keep that in mind when it's time to decide whether to scream "Those dastardly Republicans!" or not.

Doing the right thing for an bad and terrible reason doesn't absolve you of being bad terrible person. If pedophile gives a homeless single mother money for rent and food, thinking it might help him molest her daughter, he is still evil.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 3 March 2018 18:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

It doesn’t exactly make GA look like a good destination for corporations

that and how the state senate just passed an anti-gay adoption bill

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 3 March 2018 18:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

Loomis is rarely nuanced. Because he’s bad at it!

People, our positions should not be defined by knee-jerk reactions to fascists.


🤔 yeah I guess not, this is tough

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 March 2018 18:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

Aimless trying to hit the side of a barn door with that metaphor and still has to resort to a clause about intent

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 March 2018 18:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

Oklahoma teachers might follow W VA's lead

good. socrates/plato/aristotle should shrug until our education system is properly funded. fuck atlas (and the koch brothers and the amway crew etc) with a cache of legally-purchased AR-15s

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 3 March 2018 18:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

Is it raining in Florida?

If the E.U. wants to further increase their already massive tariffs and barriers on U.S. companies doing business there, we will simply apply a Tax on their Cars which freely pour into the U.S. They make it impossible for our cars (and more) to sell there. Big trade imbalance!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 3, 2018

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 3 March 2018 19:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

i am not an economist but trump’s understanding of trade seems... limited at best to my mind

bathed and ready for a snack (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 3 March 2018 19:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

something tells me Japan may have an opinion on that

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Saturday, 3 March 2018 19:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

Delta already called their bluff

It wasn't a bluff? Passed 44-10 in the senate, 135-24 in the house.

just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Saturday, 3 March 2018 19:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think what was meant was they had no intention of changing their mind so if it was being used as a measure to get Delta to reverse-course, it failed. not that they were bluffing to strip the tax advantages that would benefit Delta out of the bill.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 3 March 2018 19:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

He has no understanding of trade. He's merely repeating what crackpot economist Peter Navarro tells him and Wilbur Ross does not correct. He substitutes Navarro's views for any personal thought because he is too lazy and incurious to engage in any, but found Navarro (via Jared) to be someone who could give academic-sounding voice to his racist xenophobia as regards China in particular. Navarro's views have come to the fore more recently because the collection of people who would talk over and marginalize him have themselves been marginalized by personal rifts.

Moo Vaughn, Saturday, 3 March 2018 19:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

still has to resort to a clause about intent

resort to? judging their intent was my intent all along. I did not say the action was wrong in itself, because it isn't. but the actor is still worthy of scorn, despite, not because of the goodness of the action.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 3 March 2018 19:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

Navarro's views also appeal to his schoolyard-level zero-sum understanding of the world, which would also lead him to dismiss whatever exposure he may have had to standard trade theory

Moo Vaughn, Saturday, 3 March 2018 19:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

Nobody wants to buy American cars, they're hopelessly fuel inefficient...

Frederik B, Saturday, 3 March 2018 19:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

"his schoolyard-level zero-sum understanding of the world"

A perspective we've come to learn has substantial electoral salience, especially among an an ideological-flexible but largely racially homogenous cohort of fellow members of the "poorly-educated"

Moo Vaughn, Saturday, 3 March 2018 19:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

Oh my god shut up

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 March 2018 19:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

Wasn't it mentioned in this thread (for sure I read it somewhere) that since his first weeks in the White House people have been trying to explain trade to him, but it's just not taking.

Nobody wants to buy American cars, they're hopelessly fuel inefficient...

Actually, they've gotten much better, in part thanks to (yes) Obama.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-autos-emissions/u-s-vehicle-fuel-economy-rises-to-record-24-7-mpg-epa-idUSKBN1F02BX

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2018 19:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

Some better-educated too

Moo Vaughn, Saturday, 3 March 2018 19:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

Surprised it took so long for Trump to start with the trade war stuff. Surprised he’s doing it in the post-Bannon era.

treeship 2, Saturday, 3 March 2018 20:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

Loomis is rarely nuanced. Because he’s bad at it!

The most confusing lib post of the year. I'd had my morning coffee, exercised, and couldn't square it with the guy who posts This Day in Labor History shit.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 3 March 2018 20:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

wonder who's pushing him in this direction. a donor or someone in the admin?

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 3 March 2018 20:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

kinda seems like the sort of thing a president shouldn't be able to do unilaterally

mookieproof, Saturday, 3 March 2018 20:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

Actually, they've gotten much better, in part thanks to (yes) Obama.

Nobody wants to buy them anyway.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Saturday, 3 March 2018 20:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

the sort of thing a president shouldn't be able to do unilaterally

If tariffs on particular commodities were taken back to the sole discretion of Congress, it wouldn't be much, if any, better. Just ruminate a moment on how Congress works and this becomes more apparent. Once you've handed the decision over to the executive branch, it is unavoidably handed directly to the POTUS, because of how the executive branch works. The current POTUS is just an outlier when it comes to his tiny-handed grasp of economic policy -- or any other government policy, for that matter.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 3 March 2018 20:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

Of course, Trump doesn’t get that European cars sold in the states mainly built in Chattanooga (VW), Spartanburg (BMW)and Birmingham (Mercedes).

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 3 March 2018 21:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

fuck VW for moving out of new stanton

mookieproof, Saturday, 3 March 2018 21:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

And Sony and me for that matter. It started as a Chrysler plant but hey never even got as far as pouring concrete for the floors.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 3 March 2018 21:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

maybe they're sick of paying for their employees' health insurance in backassward USA

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 3 March 2018 21:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

people don't buy american cars outside the US because, outside the amazon reviews for household gadgets written by people who are worried about "toxins", "made in the USA" is not a synonym for quality and hasn't been for 50+ years.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 3 March 2018 21:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

you guys actually bother to ever look stuff up?

This statistic illustrates the number of cars sold by Ford in the United Kingdom (UK) between January 2014 and December 2017. With more than 333 thousand units sold, Ford was the biggest car seller in the UK in 2015.In 2016, the sales numbers dropped from the previous year but Ford continued to perform as one of the strongest car manufacturer in the UK, selling more than 318 thousand cars in 2016. The much higher sales in March and September, as well as the lower sales in February and August, can be accounted for by the new registration plates which are issued in the former pair of months.
In 2017, Ford kicked of the year with a strong sales performance in January 2017, selling more than 22,700 cars in the UK. In March, they sold the most cars during the period in question, 71,837 cars.

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

Ford during the 2017 fiscal year, broken down by leading countries. In that year, China sold over 1.2 million Ford cars and trucks; it is the carmaker's second-largest market in terms of sales.

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:18 (eight months ago) Permalink

Interestingly Ford (like Heinz) is one of those American brands that has painted itself as British for generations. (Not that Ford has made any cars in the UK for years).

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

Is that American Ford though? Xp

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_of_Britain

koogs, Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

iirc when I was there I remember seeing the Ford Fusion before it was in The US and some other UK specific models I'd never seen

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

Ford of Britain (officially Ford Motor Company Limited)[note 1] is a British wholly owned subsidiary of Blue Oval Holdings, itself a subsidiary of Ford International Capital LLC, which is a subsidiary of Ford Motor Company[2].

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah, but if I were to go out and buy a ford tomorrow, it wouldn't come from the US

koogs, Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

And if I went out and bought a Toyota, it wouldn't come from Japan.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

these last few posts of discussion are more than trump has thought about this

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

It’s almost like he automotive industry is a complex global structure that can only exist because of a complex international trade in goods and services.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

🤯

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

Fucking globalist auto industry.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

🤔 https://t.co/0GMU59wNau

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) March 3, 2018

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

That linked article is epic.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/pure-madness-dark-days-inside-the-white-house-as-trump-shocks-and-rages/2018/03/03/9849867c-1e72-11e8-9de1-147dd2df3829_story.html

"‘Pure madness’: Dark days inside the White House as Trump shocks and rages"

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

fwiw Fords are like the only American cars i see in London ever. i see a lot of them though.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

fwiw ford of britain makes completely different vehicles to those ford makes in the US, and ford's UK marketing goes to lengths to disassociate it with the parent company, to the extent that it wouldn't occur to most british people that it's a company with a US connection unless you reminded them of "henry ford". same goes for vauxhall/opel, which was owned by GM until last year, but you wouldn't have known it from the cars they made or how they marketed them.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

very very occasionally you'd see a PT cruiser in the UK but i think they gave up selling them.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

I've read 18 Trump in Turmoil stories since April 2017. I don't give a shit until and if the Dems take over. I assume Mueller's smart enough to delay serious charges until then cuz nothing will happen so long as Ryan is speaker.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

(re the photo of him waving off the boom mikes, from that WaPo article linked in the link in the tweet JiC posted)

One hopes that his historically horrible and broadly despised tenure might finally put several of the necessary and long-overdue nails in the coffin of that particularly ugly, conformist, obsolete & just plain fucking sad approach to "professional" menswear that his shitty daily choices exemplify

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 March 2018 22:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

Are the Ford Fiesta, the Focus, the Mondeo and the Kuga American cars though? On the proviso that I know nothing about cars, Ford in the UK and Europe used to design and manufacture cars that were totally different from the gas guzzling phalluses they designed and manufactured for the US market - is that still the case?

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

FWIW, key crazy takeaway:

Trump has been asking people close to him whether they think Kushner or his company has done anything wrong, according to a senior administration official. Two advisers said the president repeatedly tells aides that the Russia investigation will not ensnare him — even as it ensnares others around him — and that he thinks the American people are finally starting to conclude that the Democrats, as opposed to his campaign, colluded with the Russians.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

(Oops, caek has covered this already) (xp)

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

i owned a ford focus for ~10yrs

gbx, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

i'm american btw

gbx, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

fwiw ford of britain makes completely different vehicles to those ford makes in the US

this is a pretty stupid discussion to be having on a board where almost nobody gives a shit about cars, BUT ACTUALLY Ford started pushing the same bodies and vehicle types in all of their markets worldwide several years ago which is why you can find the Transit and Fusion on at least three continents now, and they do well pretty much everywhere. A cursory fucking google and wikipedia browsing session reveals this.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

The reason I care if the president is having problems is that he is still the president, and just as he started trade wars (with allies!) against the wishes of his advisers and without anyone knowing he was going to do it until he did it, he could do other shit, too. Remember, 100 years ago, when he began a tweet with some somber "My fellow Americans, I have decided ..." tone, and then there was a long break, and then he announced, apropos of nothing that he wanted to ban transgender troops? Against the wishes of his military and with no one knowing that was coming? And that, for those few minutes in between tweets, some people thought maybe we were about to go to war? There are 8 fucking months until November.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

Interestingly Ford (like Heinz) is one of those American brands that has painted itself as British for generations. (Not that Ford has made any cars in the UK for years).

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed)

mostly because of douglas adams

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

Three days late, but excellent thread title.

clemenza, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

at what point can they outsource "chaos in the whitehouse" stories to chuck tingle? because it's just mad libs (uh, no pun intended) at this point, no?

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

Trump Mad Libs (which is the perfect jumble of words itself - Mad Libs!) must exist.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/trump-tweet-mad-libs

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

tombot: there was a ford fusion in europe but it's a different thing to the ford fusion hybrid, which is not sold outside north america and brazil. the transit is a UK design that ford USA imported (kind of my point).

just to make clear my point since it's been lost in car stuff though: the idea that there could ever be a world in which consumer goods "made in the USA" appeal to people outside the USA on their merits may be a vote winner in "trump country", but it's just not reality (except for apple, which i don't think is what trump is talking about).

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

one exception might be fashion

the late great, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

but that’s a tiny market

the late great, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

Designed by Apple in California

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

Basically what Ed said, applied to all consumer goods, not just cars

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

US cars have a good rep in China, Buick sells a ton of them there. Part of it is that the Chinese really still hate Japan, but hey got to take wins when you can get them.

earlnash, Saturday, 3 March 2018 23:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

I am with rushomancy here. Is there anything in the new "Trump stalks the halls of the White House fuming at the TV and berating the staff" story that wasn't in the last dozen "Trump stalks the halls of the White House berating the TV and fuming at the staff" stories? If so, help a brother out and give us the Cliffs Notes.

Wyld Scalyns (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 4 March 2018 00:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

I've been saying it since January 2017. I don't care. Let's flip the Congress.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 March 2018 00:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

it's the same old story, based off of a couple dozen anonymous aides and a 4 star general, with the new controversies replacing the old.

it did include one bit that documents trump accidentally having a good thought

Trump doesn’t see guns through the traditional prism of left vs. right, but rather as a Manhattan business developer, said one senior administration official, adding that he has told staff that he doesn’t understand why people need assault rifles.

i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 March 2018 01:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

i'm sure that by now the NRA has made him understand

i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 March 2018 01:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

it really is uncanny how you only have to change the proper names from the zodiac killer letters pic.twitter.com/MyrhpSfBxY

— Muscular Baby (@Mobute) March 4, 2018

Simon H., Sunday, 4 March 2018 01:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

apparently his republican fundraiser thing tonight is going well. he's already managed to jokingly praise Xi Jinping for being a great authoritarian

"He's now president for life. President for life. No, he's great," Trump said. "And look, he was able to do that. I think it's great. Maybe we'll have to give that a shot some day."

it looks like he spent the rest of the speech talking about how hillary clinton needs to go to jail.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/03/politics/trump-maralago-remarks/index.html

i remember the corned beef of my childhood (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 March 2018 01:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

Breaking: West Virginia teachers say "indefinite" strike will continue after State Senate's Finance Committee rejects Governor Justice's offer of a 5% raise & instead pushes 4% raise. The state's school superintendents back 5%. @BradMcElhinny @MsCByers https://t.co/Oz87Jy5w9O

— Steven Greenhouse (@greenhousenyt) March 3, 2018

Simon H., Sunday, 4 March 2018 02:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer — please do not go off-message!

had (crüt), Sunday, 4 March 2018 03:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

The WV GOP is so shitty that even though the teachers went on strike and continued to strike because, among other reasons, a 5% was not enough, the state senate comes back with *less* than 5%. That's some Trump negotiation right there.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 March 2018 03:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

classic reagan air traffic controller negotiation move too, right?

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 March 2018 03:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

Let's see if they fire all the teachers.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 March 2018 03:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

one astounding thing to me about US politics is that the GOP managed to somehow portray teachers as villains. i'm not even talking about how the right sees evil liberal colleges and marxist professors and brainwashing machines and "science" and education in general. but even just school teachers themselves are villainized! epitomized by john kasich saying “If I were, not president, if I were king in America, I would abolish all teachers’ lounges where they sit together and worry about ‘woe is us’.” it's so fucking stupid, that idea of the lazy teachers whining and complaining all the time. but somehow that's become republican orthodoxy.

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 March 2018 03:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

*puffs cigar*
the problem with teachers, see here, is that it needs to be based on free market values. if a teacher is bad, they should replaced, and i mean pronto, why i oughta

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 March 2018 03:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

Not only are they underpaid, undervalued, and otherwise shit on by the GOP (I mean, they're shit on in blue states, too), the GOP is constantly angling to reduce their power, compel them to teach bullshit, and fund private alternative schools that further undercut their value and power. I heard a story on the radio about how HUD folks were demoralized to begin with, and the hiring of someone like Ben Carson just made them feel so much worse. I can only image that DeVos has done to teacher moral.

Anyway, good luck replacing 20,000 teachers in West Virginia. I hope the entire state of Oklahoma strikes, too. And probably Kansas, too. And likely Mississippi. And any place where the GOP has fucked with the schools so much that the fed-up teachers have no recourse.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 March 2018 03:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

Republican orthodoxy is, and has been for as long as I've been alive, that anybody who gets directly paid from the state coffers is a subhuman leech, unless they wear a uniform (cops, firefighters, the troops). Not contractors, btw - contractors are real people because a publicly traded company gets to skim off the payments from the state coffers first, THEN the workers get paid. That's why charter schools are good.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 03:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

That WV Teacher Trike gofundme: $125,060 of $50,000 goal

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 March 2018 03:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp I mean they've been saying this for 4+ decades. I don't get how anybody doesn't understand this is what they believe. It is as fundamental to their platform as criminalizing abortion.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 03:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

Because too many parents treat public school like glorified daycare and take for granted the work teachers do? Even though the vast majority of those parents benefited from public school teachers themselves? Out of sight, out of mind. "My Timmy is doing fine, fuck your kid, if they don't like it they can move."

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

I meant the broader aspect of it, i.e. civil service should not be a job at all unless it's conducted by a privately owned company.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

also, teachers are apparently simultaneously lazy and worthless, but also would-be heroes if someone would only give them a gun

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

(also, a significant chunk of Republican voters never benefited from public school teachers themselves and would be horrified of the thought of their kid ever going to public school, but are yet somehow experts on it and how it should be run)

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

a significant chunk of Republican voters never benefited from public school teachers themselves

what

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

a lot of Republican voters are rich people who either went to private schools or religious/Catholic schools that basically function as private schools

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

or not even "rich" per se, just upper-middle-class

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

I don't think you can support that with any kind of reliable statistics, I'm sorry

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

also a lot of people are so dumb that they don't realize how poor their evaluations of teachers are

j., Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

Republican orthodoxy is, and has been for as long as I've been alive, that anybody who gets directly paid from the state coffers is a subhuman leech, unless they wear a uniform (cops, firefighters, the troops).

do they even care about firefighters though

had (crüt), Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

I mean, school vouchers and similar programs effectively siphoning resources that would otherwise go toward public schools toward private schools are a plank of the Republican platform, which would not be the case if they didn't go there

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

your reasoning is that they wouldn't support privatizing schools if they hadn't been to private schools?

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

the GOP would hand the DoD to the likes of Erik Prince if the Army itself wasn't standing in the way, because no bureaucracy can be trusted with our precious debt, according to capital dogma

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

the enrollment in private schools tends to be A) religious and B) wealthy (stats: https://www.census.gov/data/tables/2015/demo/school-enrollment/2015-cps.html), which are two demographics that skew Republican. I don't know why this is controversial

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'd like to believe that at least someone stood up and booed when Trump "joked" about becoming president for life.

At this rate, Trump won't just be 45th of 45, but 90th of 90, if this nation lasts that long.

It's because I'm human, isn't it?! (Sanpaku), Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

(the latter stat breaks it down by income level; religion is more complicated because not everyone who attends, say, Catholic schools is Catholic, although tuition is generally higher in the that case)

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

I disagree with the phrase "significant chunk" - I don't think it's that meaningful of a proportion. Most of them never did ten minutes in uniform but god forbid you discuss cutting the defense budget at one of their watering holes.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

I mean, school vouchers and similar programs effectively siphoning resources that would otherwise go toward public schools toward private schools are a plank of the Republican platform, which would not be the case if they didn't go there

― algorithm is a dancer (katherine)

i think the goal is to please the small segment of people who own the private/charter schools (or subcontractors who benefit from them), not to please whatever amount of conservative voters have children who attend such schools.

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

i admit that opinion is mainly just because i view that as the primary goal of pretty much any conservative policy, even though it's never the stated goal

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

so the Xi comment...here's how it will play out

"The President was obviously joking"
"The President's comments were taken out of context"
"Though you know, the President is not wrong. We've been led afoul by some bad politicians. And the 22nd amendment was a bad piece of legislation, and even Barney Frank has advocated for its repeal"
"It would be easier to drain the swamp if there weren't so many redundant politicians gumming up the works - why not consolidate and streamline into one legislative body which just happens to be one person?"
"KNEEL BEFORE YOUR KING"

*trump chokes on KFC chicken bone and shuffles off this mortal coil*

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 4 March 2018 04:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

the WV strike seems to have a decent chance of spreading to oklahoma

http://www.tulsaworld.com/homepagelatest/statewide-teacher-walkout-the-idea-is-gaining-traction-online-and/article_11c81ce5-e2fe-5051-be0d-bf7c8441bc3c.html

The Oklahoma teacher’s strike Facebook page now has more than 40,000 members. They’re fired up. pic.twitter.com/1e6h1bVRNO

— Matt Pearce 🦅 (@mattdpearce) March 4, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 4 March 2018 05:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

Making it illegal to strike is yet another thing these fucked up GOP states have done to hurt their teachers.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 March 2018 05:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

who else in this country goes 10 years without a raise? Oh, I don't know, people who work at Veterans Affairs

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 05:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

El Tomboto: the South is weird. Here in New Orleans, anyone with remotely middle class aspirations, including plumbers and electricians, sends their kids to private schools. And without middle-class participation, the public schools are poorly funded and poorly administered. After some decades of this, in which even the physical state of the schools would embarrass a banana republic, the State took over running the local school district. The modern Republican party is dominated by politicians from the old South, where this is often the norm. It was totally foreign to my experience in a Texan suburb, and still further from the state of public schools saner parts of the country, like Minnesota or New York.

It's because I'm human, isn't it?! (Sanpaku), Sunday, 4 March 2018 05:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

private schools should be illegal

direct to consumer online mattress brand (silby), Sunday, 4 March 2018 05:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

i always feel very alienated when these things come up. there weren't any private secondary schools where i grew up (SE MO) (although there was a catholic elementary school). we all went to public school. it took me a long time to even figure out what people were talking about when they talked about private schools.

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 March 2018 05:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

er, alienated is too strong. i guess i just don't how common it is to be in an area with no private option? seems like everyone else is always talking about private schools.

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 March 2018 05:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

I didn't even know we had private schools where I grew up until I met one of my best friends in junior year, after she had been kicked out of her private school.

Re: Oklahoma, here's a quote for you, from a Tulsa teacher:

"If we strike, I double dare you to fire us. We'll just go to Texas; they're looking for new teachers," said Cagle.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 March 2018 05:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/Record-885K-vote-in-Texas-primaries-12725903.php

Texas voters didn’t just set a record for early voting in a primary during a non-presidential election.

They obliterated the records.

More than 885,000 people voted in the Texas primaries through early voting or by mail in the state’s most populous counties, according the the Texas Secretary of State’s office. That is a 50 percent increase from the previous high of 592,000 in 2014, the last election cycle with the governor on the ballot.

For the first time in a decade more people voted in a Democratic Primary than a Republican Primary in the state’s largest counties. The last time Democrats beat Republicans was in 2008 when the battle between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton drove record turnout in the primary battle for president.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 March 2018 05:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

Nice.

I had to unfollow Ned on twitter for unironically RTing Joy Ann Reid, an unforgivable offense given what she tweeted recently about the striking WVA teachers

Simon H., Sunday, 4 March 2018 05:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

(still <3 u ned)

Simon H., Sunday, 4 March 2018 05:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

I dunno how many ILXers are products of private religious education (worth a thread?), but I am, and you can't understand the contempt that parents of those children have for The System.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 March 2018 05:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

commuting to private schools isn't unheard of either

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Sunday, 4 March 2018 05:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

OK I give you guys are right 49% of america went to private school

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 05:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

Good news about the Texas primaries! Hopefully they roll it into something meaningful in November. A few days before the primary, the strongly-worded nervous text of a 11th-hour GOP fundraising email was circulating on lefty FBs & Twitters. Heat is being felt, but I'm not ready to gloat.

Abbott is a lock. I don't even know who's really the front-runner against him, some lesbian ex-sheriff from DFW I think?. Good luck with that. FWIW, Abbot's ads focus on the basic achievements (business, schools) within Texas during the last several years. Seems like he won a coin toss, BECAUSE...

Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick is doubling down on Trump. Two-Scoops' name is invoked as frequently (if not more) than Patrick's own. The Wall, Banning Sanctuary Cities, Liberal Agenda(s) are all discussed. Not sure who's running against him either, but he's really put out the ammo to any takers.*

I do feel Ted Cruz has something to worry about. Beto O'Rourke is really catching fire with progressives, and above all he was the reason Dem turnout was so high this time. Cruz still has the strength of running as a Republican in Texas, with the added bonus of being on the ticket alongside Abbot & Patrick. But what was once a cakewalk is now more like being the caboose to a partially loaded coal car and a steam engine. To my knowledge, Cruz hasn't started running ads.

*In a related story, Land Commissioner George P. Bush (aka "The Brown One") has been running ads boasting of an endorsement from Donald Trump (wait for it) JR. Said endorsement is a Tweet saying something along the lines "George P. Bush really helped us in Texas!". Yeah. Although I now read Two-Scoops has offered his own endorsement, possibly just to show up Jr. again.

...some of y'all too woke to function (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 4 March 2018 05:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

you can't understand the contempt that parents of those children have for The System

counterpoint: those parents cannot understand the contempt that I hold for them

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 06:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

today I learned that when I said "a significant chunk of Republicans" I secretly meant every Republican in the world from now back to Abraham Lincoln

algorithm is a dancer (katherine), Sunday, 4 March 2018 06:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

he was the first one, you know

j., Sunday, 4 March 2018 06:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

freed the slaves

j., Sunday, 4 March 2018 06:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

xposts

There are 33,619 private schools in the United States, serving 5.4 million PK-12 students. Private schools account for 25 percent of the nation's schools and enroll 10 percent of all PK-12 students. Most private school students (79 percent) attend religiously-affiliated schools

the URL has "facts" in it so you know it's right
http://www.capenet.org/facts.html

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 March 2018 06:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

I do feel Ted Cruz has something to worry about.

He doesn't. Beto's awesome. Inspiring. He has zero chance of beating Cruz. I'm going to let myself get my hopes up anyway, because what could feel worse than what happened in 2016? Everyone hates Cruz. But Rs vote for the R, not the person. Soon, I expect to hear a bunch of Democrats start tearing O'Rourke apart, talking themselves into not voting for him. My prediction is Cruz beats O'Rourke 52-45. Close, for Texas.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 4 March 2018 06:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

...and Cruz is also quite possibly the luckiest motherfucker who ever lived.

...some of y'all too woke to function (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 4 March 2018 06:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

well, yeah, he got to live in Texas

erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 4 March 2018 07:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

As in th UK, it’s not about the percentage of the general population who pay for/attend private schools, it’s about the percentage of the group who set policy/generally run things being privately educated (and how that affects attitudes toward and the shaping of public schools). The latter percentage is MUCH higher than that of gen pop, and the ideologues running down public schooling favour privatisation of education.

kim jong deal (suzy), Sunday, 4 March 2018 07:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

the URL has "facts" in it so you know it's right
http://www.capenet.org/facts.html

gonna not click on this and assume it's a Cape of Good Hope FAQ

latepass but

people don't buy american cars outside the US because, outside the amazon reviews for household gadgets written by people who are worried about "toxins", "made in the USA" is not a synonym for quality and hasn't been for 50+ years.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, March 4, 2018 8:52 AM (eleven hours ago)

you guys actually bother to ever look stuff up?

This statistic illustrates the number of cars sold by Ford in the United Kingdom (UK) between January 2014 and December 2017. With more than 333 thousand units sold, Ford was the biggest car seller in the UK in 2015.In 2016, the sales numbers dropped from the previous year but Ford continued to perform as one of the strongest car manufacturer in the UK, selling more than 318 thousand cars etc etc

― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, March 4, 2018 9:15 AM (eleven hours ago)

just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Sunday, 4 March 2018 09:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

There are a couple of private schools where I live (which has a good school system and in particular a stellar high school and super high taxes that fund it) and the handful of nutballs who pay the high taxes and *still* send their kids to private school seem to do it for good (or at least, not terrible) reasons. I have two friends we've known since (Montessori) pre-school who helped establish further elementary classes there, so their kids have continued on in Montessori rather than pop into the public system (curiously, both have boys already in public middle school, so we get to watch the experiment play out in real time). The school is great and we loved it, too, and I'll be first to concede they are getting a great education, but the numbers bear out that when a private school or otherwise better prepared kid enters the public high school (which is their plan, since the high school is great), the numbers soon even themselves out. Other people we know going to private school, there's one family who felt their public school wasn't attentive to their gifted and talented super kid, so they send him to a neighboring village for a progressive private school. Same with friends with a transgender daughter, who tried in public school (where their other two kids are) but couldn't make it work out and decided to send her to the same very progressive private school, which is understandable.

The key is that all these folks are sucking it up and still paying the super high taxes while sending their kids out of the system, which really actually benefits the community, since the kids still live and participate here and the parents pay into a system they don't really use. On the other hand are some parents pushing lately for a charter school, which is some bullshit, because they think their kids are special enough that they need their own separate school (for various reasons, not all ill-intentioned) that nonetheless siphons public funds. Fuck that.

We have a Catholic school or two around here, but my understanding is that a lot of their students come from nearby elsewhere, and not where I live. I don't think I know anyone who sends their kids to Catholic school.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 March 2018 14:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

"And without middle-class participation, the public schools are poorly funded and poorly administered. "

I know that this is the case, but I still don't get why this is the case. If this is true (and it appears to be, everywhere), this means the school itself is too underfunded by the state. It should not matter how wealthy the populace of the school is; the school should be funded well enough to run independent of PTA and parent participation. Right? Maybe I'm saying something obvious.

In california schools with a significant number of children on the free lunch program get a bump in funding (our son's elementary school lost that funding in his last two years basically because the income levels of the population rose so much).

akm, Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

I had to unfollow Ned on twitter for unironically RTing Joy Ann Reid, an unforgivable offense given what she tweeted recently about the striking WVA teachers

Since I missed that -- I don't follow her and have no inclination to, the post was RTd into my feed -- I just took her separate sentiment re the Philando Castile fund as it is. Which struck me as true.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

Fair enough.

Simon H., Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

what did she tweet? I saw this: "Meanwhile, teachers in West Virginia are on strike for better pay and healthcare. If they start voting for politicians who actually support those things, look out GOP." which, I'm not seeing what's so terrible about this.

akm, Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

this means the school itself is too underfunded by the state. It should not matter how wealthy the populace of the school is; the school should be funded well enough to run independent of PTA and parent participation. Right? Maybe I'm saying something obvious.

Schools are funded ~10% by the federal government, ~45% each by state and local taxes. This is the cause of massive inequalities in funding. PTA/parents pay for 'extras,' but they don't form a line In school budgets. On the whole, PTA and parent participation magnifies the effect the local tax burden. High local taxes are correlated w/ high parent / PTA engagement. Low local taxes are correlated w/ low parent / PTA engagement.

rb (soda), Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

is there a good link for Oklahoma donations yet?

sleeve, Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

Public education from pre-K through graduate / professional schools is horrendously underfunded throughout the country. It’s stupid and immiserating and obvious to almost every single person in the country.

However, like maintenance spending on infrastructure, the political rewards for fully funding education are seen as minor (read: “not worth it”) and they take longer than most terms of office to be realized. So again, as with infrastructure, there are perverse incentives to do new things and potentially highly disruptive things, but not to do simple shit like pay the fucking teachers a living wage and buy them some goddamn books and pens.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

Aargh that first paragraph is terrible I need to not multitask while writing

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

xpost

My question is still this: "High local taxes are correlated w/ high parent / PTA engagement. Low local taxes are correlated w/ low parent / PTA engagement" and why is this? It shouldn't fucking matter. Is this reflective of the voting base? I suppose partly it is; Berkeley, for instance, passes a supplemental funding bill that comes out of our property taxes all of which goes to fund schools (how they spend it is another matter that no one agrees on, but it does get passes, or has been passed, fairly regularly). Maybe I've answered my own question.

akm, Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

I also cannot type or make coherent sense this morning. Good thing I'm not on twitter like the presidetn.

akm, Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

One of the least known (by the public) and most catastrophic SCOTUS decisions:

https://www.oyez.org/cases/1972/71-1332

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

Absolutely. It shouldn't matter. But the same advantages that make a district high-income in the first place are the ones that encourage effective parental interaction w/ the providers of their childrens' education. These things include the quality and extent of the parents' own education, economic and geographic stability, common language, community health, privilege of hiring teachers appropriate to their community (i.e. not under-trained white do-gooders right out of college), etc., etc...

rb (soda), Sunday, 4 March 2018 16:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

Jesus christ. Thanks for the link, Alfred but...jesus christ.

Did you ever see a doffin, did you (Old Lunch), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

I don't recall that even being touched on in my college educational policy class.

Did you ever see a doffin, did you (Old Lunch), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

seconding the ty for the link. i feel like a fool for not coming across oyez.org before! that is an incredible resource. *bookmarked*

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

One of the least known (by the public) and most catastrophic SCOTUS decisions:

https://www.oyez.org/cases/1972/71-1332

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, March 4, 2018 10:52 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

*sees link, sees Alfred posted it*

this better fuckin be saisd v. rodriguez *clicks* fuck yeah

fun fact 1: i teach in the school district from which demetrio rodriguez filed the original suit in 68 which was spurred on by student walkouts. its 50 years later and our school is still 98% latinx (<1% white)

fun fact 2: saisd v rodriguez was the first case heard by all 4 of nixon's SCOTUS appointees (they all voted in the majority obv), initiating the reversal of decades of progressive jurisprudence

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

what did she tweet? I saw this: "Meanwhile, teachers in West Virginia are on strike for better pay and healthcare. If they start voting for politicians who actually support those things, look out GOP." which, I'm not seeing what's so terrible about this.

― akm, Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:40 AM

there are like 10 things that are terrible about this just like everything she ever says. she is an awful human being. misplaces blame for low pay/inadequate healthcare coverage on teachers for their bad voting decisions, or assumes that there were politicians available to them to vote for who would have given them those things. implies voting is more powerful than going on strike when obviously striking has done more than voting for hypothetical politicians has ever done for them.

forensic plumber (harbl), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

also, plenty of WVa people have responded to remind her that many of the issues the teachers are currently facing originated with Dems like Manchin

Simon H., Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

exactly. i'm a government employee making way less $ than i should be and someone once told me it was important to vote for governor to get a raise but they forgot that most of our pay freeze issues started with the last shitty democrat governor.

forensic plumber (harbl), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeeeep

rb (soda), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:18 (eight months ago) Permalink

fun fact 2: saisd v rodriguez was the first case heard by all 4 of nixon's SCOTUS appointees (they all voted in the majority obv), initiating the reversal of decades of progressive jurisprudence

― NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison),

yet Powell and Blackmun became "moderates" because Reagan's picks were even worse! It's insane.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think teacher pay is also massively misunderstood and/or spun by districts, politicians, and pundits for the purpose of union-eroding. The semi-decent "average teacher salary" numbers that're busted out during each contract negotiation are essentially a mean total compensation package per full-time employee in each district. In other words, if a district announces their "average teacher salary" as $50k/year, what they are actually saying is that an average teacher paycheck in the district compensates the employee $50k/annum (less employees' mandatory health-care contribution, less mandatory 10-15% retirement/pension contribution, less insurance share, etc., less uncompensated classroom expenses, less taxes) and so an 'average' teacher might end up w/ $35k. However, the "average teacher salary" is far more than the majority of teachers in a system teachers make; it sure as heck ain't a median teacher salary. When you figure in longevity increases and incentives for additional degrees, it means that professionals at 15-20 years in their career are making (in total compensation) 1.5 x 2 as much as new employees on the top line of their pay check, and losing a much-smaller overall proportion to health, pension, insurance, etc.

rb (soda), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

However, the "average teacher salary" is far more than the majority of teachers in a system teachers make;

rb (soda), Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

I don't know if this is still the case, but in our district schools that are less economically diverse, which is to say, relatively more affluent, are actually often at an academic disadvantage, because funding for kids who need more help reading or whatever does not kick in. So the more economically diverse school - again, relatively speaking - often might get 2 or 3 reading specialists, and our school, which is relatively less economically diverse, might just get one. Which is I suppose the way it should be, but just because a school is more or less economically diverse does not necessarily equate to a proportional number of kids who need extra help. For example, the better off school might have just as many kids who need extra help, they just don't get the funding for it because they are better off. And none of the schools, at least our district, is radically better than the other.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 4 March 2018 17:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

"I don't know if this is still the case, but in our district schools that are less economically diverse, which is to say, relatively more affluent, are actually often at an academic disadvantage, because funding for kids who need more help reading or whatever does not kick in." yes, same thing in California. (I thought i posted this but maybe not). it's run off who qualifies for free school lunches here (which they make us fill out at the beginning of the year). our son's elementary school lost this funding his last year because there weren't enough disadvantaged kids. that money paid for a number of additional programs (which the PTA then funded, luckily).

akm, Sunday, 4 March 2018 18:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

From Alfred's link:

The Court refused to examine the system with strict scrutiny since there is no fundamental right to education in the Constitution...

ffs, this shitty line of reasoning could have invalidated Brown vs. Board of Education, too.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 4 March 2018 18:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

The Burger Court and the Rise of the Judicial Right is essential reading imo

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 4 March 2018 18:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'm going to let myself get my hopes up anyway, because what could feel worse than what happened in 2016?

Um, I get what you are saying but I am not sure how far I would go in applying that logic.

I could take a ball-peen hammer to my toenails right now, and it wouldn't feel worse than happened in 2016. That doesn't make it a good idea.

Wyld Scalyns (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 4 March 2018 23:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah but man you're gonna get disappointed whether or not you get your hopes up, so why not get your hopes up? right?

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Sunday, 4 March 2018 23:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

idk the feeling of being completely blindsided by the election results was a very sizable part of why I had a nervous breakdown that night

had (crüt), Sunday, 4 March 2018 23:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

the question of whether it's worth getting your hopes up when you're going to get disappointed anyway is universal and unresolved imo

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Sunday, 4 March 2018 23:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

the dumbassery of hope

El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 March 2018 23:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

idk the feeling of being completely blindsided by the election results was a very sizable part of why I had a nervous breakdown that night

― had (crüt)

sure i spent most of the day after uncontrollably shaking but my fear of how the election might turn out put me through several weeks of acute suicidal depression. i probably would've run into it after the election anyway - i do have a friend who killed himself in november 2016 - but either way it's something one has to deal with. hope for the best, expect the worst, that's how i try to live my life.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Monday, 5 March 2018 00:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

'm going to let myself get my hopes up anyway, because what could feel worse than what happened in 2016?

It feels worse if you're black, gay, Hispanic, and a woman.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 March 2018 00:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

Or Jewish, dude. We honestly had a what-to-do talk the morning after.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 00:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

serious question: you figure anything out? i'm not sure i ever did.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Monday, 5 March 2018 01:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

we stayed put, and a good thing too, or we'd have missed out on gold in hockey and curling.

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 March 2018 01:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

xpost No. We have family overseas and they did, just in case, leave out an invitation. But mostly we've been watchful, waiting ...

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 01:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

If I had no family I think I'd be gone, tbh.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 01:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

Family here, that is. My wife's cousin from Nebraska is coming in a few weeks. Unlike me, she lives in Trump world and knows Trump voters. I'm curious to get her perspective, being Jewish, being a rape survivor, being a woman, with a gay brother, in Nebraska.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 01:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

Oklahoma teachers have voted to strike

https://www.facebook.com/Oklahomateachersunited/posts/2012657982321790

Simon H., Monday, 5 March 2018 01:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

Good. Where to donate?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 01:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

It's so fresh that I haven't seen anything about a strike fund or anything yet, will post here when I do.

Simon H., Monday, 5 March 2018 01:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp didn't have the connections or the money to get out of the country altogether. moved from indiana to oregon, though. when all this shit is being done in your name and for your benefit it's hard to know what to do. didn't want to be tempted to make compromises we'd later regret.

ziggy the ginhead (rushomancy), Monday, 5 March 2018 01:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah but man you're gonna get disappointed whether or not you get your hopes up, so why not get your hopes up? right?

I'm saying whatever I do (and getting excited about Beto isn't really something I can honestly choose to do or not do, I live in Austin, I am left-wing me, so it will happen) his losing cannot be worse than how I (and probably a lot of people) experienced 2016, where for months I was terrified Clinton would lose but didn't believe she actually would. Then she did.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 5 March 2018 01:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

That’s great news from OK. Wish the whole damn country would strike.

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Monday, 5 March 2018 02:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

Except for internet providers. Sorry internet workers.

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Monday, 5 March 2018 02:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

shut up and watch the goddamn Oscars

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 March 2018 02:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

if that scotus case goes the way everyone is saying it will I wouldn't be entirely surprised if we had some wildcat May 68 shit sometime this year

El Tomboto, Monday, 5 March 2018 02:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

what if Warren 'n' Faye flub again

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 March 2018 02:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

Get Out

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 5 March 2018 02:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

I just went to a park in Mexico and at the end they had this big 2 hour show covering an abridged history of the country. For the grand finale they had a bunch of people marching around with the flags of every major country in the world, plus most of our neighbors. Notably absent was the American flag. Felt pretty significant given that half the visitors appeared to be from the USA. I think I’m just gonna tell people I’m from Canada for the rest of the trip.

frogbs, Monday, 5 March 2018 04:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

oscars news dump???

JUST IN: Mueller subpoenas documents from Trump, numerous campaign associates https://t.co/YgVVIOpVT2

— NBC Politics (@NBCPolitics) March 5, 2018

maura, Monday, 5 March 2018 04:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

Kicking off the new week well!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 March 2018 04:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

I would really love it if in lieu of sentencing, Mueller just clocked Lewandowski on national television

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 March 2018 04:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

wow. that's a LOT of documents.

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Monday, 5 March 2018 04:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

Donald it's ok go ahead and resign we'll spare you the embarassment, you can go back to firing people weekly on faux television

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 March 2018 04:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

Subpoena, Subpoena, Sub-POE-na

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 5 March 2018 04:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

yes, that's right, sound it out

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 March 2018 04:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

Perdido

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 5 March 2018 04:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

The Academy should give Mueller an honorary award.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 04:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

Though as Renato astutely points out: "This tweet doesn’t match the content of the story it cites. The subpoena doesn’t seek documents from Trump, it seeks documents *about* Trump from an unnamed witness."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 04:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

...However, the "average teacher salary" is far more than the majority of teachers in a system teachers make; it sure as heck ain't a median teacher salary. When you figure in longevity increases and incentives for additional degrees, it means that professionals at 15-20 years in their career are making (in total compensation) 1.5 x 2 as much as new employees on the top line of their pay check, and losing a much-smaller overall proportion to health, pension, insurance, etc.

― rb (soda), Sunday, March 4, 2018

Hate to be that guy but iirc isn't this exactly what teachers' unions have bargained for?

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 5 March 2018 05:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

Wish the whole damn country would strike.

If there were a consistent set of demands attached, this would be beyond awesome! The General Strike is one of the most potent weapons in the arsenal of labor. Too bad the USA has no labor movement worthy of that grand tradition.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 5 March 2018 05:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

there have been murmurs of teacher's strikes in other states as well but I can't recall which atm. KY maybe?

Simon H., Monday, 5 March 2018 05:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

The Academy should give Mueller an honorary award.

plz, the Russian doping doc won, more than enough from the MSNBC crowd

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 March 2018 06:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

Hate to be that guy but iirc isn't this exactly what teachers' unions have bargained for?

Not at all. Teacher pay has been stagnant or declining due to relative purchasing power of salary for last decade or so. employee health care costs are eating up big chunks of the total compensation package... and they are paid at a flat rate by all employees. For employees who make 100k/year this is not a problem. For those who make 40k it is. Unions are trying to level out pay, but that can take decades. Union, also, have asked for increases in total compensation to offset some of these costs, but working conditions and not money is (surprisingly to those outside the unions, I guess) not the first issue in most negotiations.

rb (soda), Monday, 5 March 2018 11:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://www.epi.org/publication/the-teacher-pay-gap-is-wider-than-ever-teachers-pay-continues-to-fall-further-behind-pay-of-comparable-workers/

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/08/16/think-teachers-arent-paid-enough-its-worse-than-you-think/


http://www.nea.org/home/12661.htm

rb (soda), Monday, 5 March 2018 11:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yam meeting at the WH with Netanyahu today.

Time for Brits to pull another 1814

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 March 2018 16:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

(i was all "wait wasn't that 1812" and looked it up, to learn that the 1814 white-house setting-fire-to happened during the IMO confusingly named "war of 1812", which ended in 1815)

mark s, Monday, 5 March 2018 16:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

and its last battle was fought several weeks after it ended

valorous wokelord (silby), Monday, 5 March 2018 16:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

excellent work there

mark s, Monday, 5 March 2018 17:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

and then Francis Scott Key slapped words on an English drinking song and now heathens won't stand while it plays

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 March 2018 17:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

and then Andrew Jackson

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 March 2018 17:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

class dismissed, tomorrow we do dinosaurs

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 March 2018 17:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

Meanwhile, a glimpse into the subtle mind of Scott Pruitt:

Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Scott Pruitt dismissed evolution as an unproven theory, lamented that “minority religions” were pushing Christianity out of “the public square” and advocated amending the Constitution to ban abortion, prohibit same-sex marriage and protect the Pledge of Allegiance and the Ten Commandments, according to a newly unearthed series of Oklahoma talk radio shows from 2005.

Pruitt, who at the time was a state senator, also described the Second Amendment as divinely granted and condemned federal judges as a “judicial monarchy” that is “the most grievous threat that we have today." And he did not object when the program’s host described Islam as “not so much a religion as it is a terrorist organization in many instances.”

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 March 2018 17:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

On the roffly side

WSJ says Cohen complained to friends that he had yet to be reimbursed for the payment to Stormy Daniels. He had been trying to reach Trump before the election about the payment, per WSJ https://t.co/eSIRq75Il9

— Jeremy Diamond (@JDiamond1) March 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 March 2018 18:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

it's weird bcz trump is well-known for promptly paying all his employees and contractors

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Monday, 5 March 2018 18:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

President Donald Trump on Monday afternoon again suggested that if he’s pleased with the renegotiations of the North American Free Trade Agreement, then he may reconsider his decision to impose tariffs on imported steel and aluminum.

If not, “we’re not backing down,” he told reporters during a pool spray with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Monday.

“No, we’re not backing down,” Trump said in response to questions about the proposed new tariffs. “We’ve had a very bad deal with Mexico, a very bad deal with Canada. … We are renegotiating NAFTA as I said I would, and if we don’t make a deal, I’ll terminate NAFTA. But if I do make a deal which is fair to the workers and to the American people, that would be, I would imagine, one of the points that we’ll negotiate, will be tariffs on steel for Canada and for Mexico. We’ll see what happens, but right now 100 percent, but it could be a part of NAFTA.”

ok. paul ryan also expressed his opposition to the tariffs today.

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Monday, 5 March 2018 19:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

If not, “we’re not backing down,” he told reporters during a pool spray with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Monday.

During a ... come again?

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 5 March 2018 19:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

^ American Thing

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Monday, 5 March 2018 19:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

tariffs on steel from canada and people from mexico

dan selzer, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

Pool (of reporters) spray (of questions). Like an avail, but with a scrum. Got it?

Wyld Scalyns (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 5 March 2018 19:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

Nunberg subpoena that was floating around on background has now got his name attached. He tells me he is unlikely to go, that he "saved Trump's ass" during the McCain fight in August 2015, and that it's all an effort to get Roger Stone.

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) March 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

WSJ says Cohen complained to friends that he had yet to be reimbursed for the payment to Stormy Daniels. He had been trying to reach Trump before the election about the payment

why would Trump reimburse him, the payment had nothing to do with Trump. Sorry, Michael!

omar little, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

also if trump does pay him it becomes a violation of campaign spending laws, doesn't it?

(and therefore yet another majorish legal and norm infraction that will not have the slightest political effect)

mark s, Monday, 5 March 2018 19:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

"I think it would be funny if they arrested me," Sam Nunberg says on MSNBC

— Jennifer Epstein (@jeneps) March 5, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 5 March 2018 19:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

oh wow, i think so too

piper at the gates of d'awwww (voodoo chili), Monday, 5 March 2018 20:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

so few things we can agree on as a country anymore

piper at the gates of d'awwww (voodoo chili), Monday, 5 March 2018 20:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtcbVUNO1NY

omar little, Monday, 5 March 2018 20:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

senatorial Oscar stuff you may have missed

I’m rooting for 3 Billboards and coming to the party as Sheriff Willoughby. ##Oscars2018 pic.twitter.com/EGUZxNuDCq

— Claire McCaskill (@clairecmc) March 4, 2018

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 March 2018 20:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

...okay did Nunberg completely immolate on TWO separate news interviews just now?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 March 2018 20:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

If there's something actually in those Nunberg emails, he practically painted a treasure map. "Hey, Mueller, definitely DON'T ask about THOSE emails. The ones between BANNON and STONE. Nothing THERE, obviously. Just MOVE ON."

— Benjy Sarlin (@BenjySarlin) March 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 March 2018 20:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-lawyers-payment-to-porn-star-was-reported-as-suspicious-by-bank-1520273701

The bank used by President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer to wire $130,000 to a former adult-film actress flagged the transaction as suspicious and reported it to the Treasury Department, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The lawyer, Michael Cohen, wired the money to a lawyer for former actress Stephanie Clifford, known professionally as Stormy Daniels, from an account at First Republic Bank . The money was received on Oct. 27, 2016, 12 days before the presidential election, another person familiar with the matter said. It isn’t clear when First Republic reported it to the government as suspicious.

Mr. Cohen said he missed two deadlines earlier that month to make the $130,000 payment to Ms. Clifford because he couldn’t reach Mr. Trump in the hectic final days of the presidential campaign, the person said.

maura, Monday, 5 March 2018 20:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

better than McConnell's Amphibian Man costume

omar little, Monday, 5 March 2018 20:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

Have y'all started that Jane Mayer profile of Christopher Steele? Holy shit

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 March 2018 20:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

It's amazing work.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 March 2018 21:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

yes it’s incredible.

maura, Monday, 5 March 2018 21:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

Also reminder that Nunberg is this guy

In another episode, Lewandowski describes how staffer Sam Nunberg was purposely left behind at a McDonald's because Nunberg's special-order burger was taking too long. "Leave him," Trump said. "Let's go." And they did.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-campaign-big-macs-screaming-fits-and-constant-rivalries/2017/12/02/18bcfa30-d6bd-11e7-b62d-d9345ced896d_story.html

maura, Monday, 5 March 2018 21:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

This is too clever if that's the word by half, but I've suspected to various degrees a number of witnesses - Flynn, Bannon, Gates, and now Nunberg (maybe Papadopoulos too, but I think that was just naivety) - of intentionally lying or otherwise putting themselves at risk for additional liability on a charge that will be a relatively easy plea when they inevitably flip, knowing that Mueller has the goods on them and won't let up, and good for appearances to the extent that they seek protection against retaliation for same from Trump allies or other Russian agents. With Bannon and perhaps especially Nunberg, it may be a bit more complex given that they may have no love for Trump himself, but remain interested in advancement of an overlapping anti-'establishment'-right-wing cause as expression of personal antipathies that may incorporate someone like Mueller, and in Nunberg's case appear personally devoted to very-much-crosshaired Roger Stone.

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 5 March 2018 21:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

! Tapper: Do you think Donald Trump knew nothing about that [Trump Tower] meeting?
Nunberg: "No. You know he knew about it. He was talking about it a week before...I don't know why he went around trying to hide it."

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) March 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 March 2018 21:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

*internal monologue*

We are living in by FAR the dumbest timeline. pic.twitter.com/mw9yYo5VZM

— George Pearkes (@pearkes) March 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 March 2018 21:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

And more!

I just talked w/ Sam Nunberg. He attacks @PressSec & describes close role w @realDonaldTrump campaign. Coming up @NY1 (no typo in this).

— Josh Robin (@joshrobin) March 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 March 2018 21:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

Thad Cochran resigning from the Senate on April 1, citing health

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 5 March 2018 21:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

NUNBERG for WHITE HOUSE COMMUNICATION DIRECTOR. PLEASE!

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 5 March 2018 21:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

Straight talker.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 21:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

Thad Cochran resigning from the Senate on April 1, citing health

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, March 5, 2018 9:55 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Presumably a response in some sense to this - https://www.salon.com/2018/03/01/mississippis-tea-party-brawl-conservative-firebrand-chris-mcdaniel-to-primary-gop-incumbent/

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 5 March 2018 21:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

The special election will need to be held before mid-July. Will be interesting to see whether different slates of candidates announce for both seats.

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 5 March 2018 22:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

Other possibilities with Nunberg:
- He wants into protective custody sooner rather than later
- He's seeking a deal Mueller doesn't think he needs to give him
- He's stupid and reckless and bent on self-destructive statements
- He's engaged in a ratfucking operation on behalf of his mentor Roger Stone

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/03/what-is-sam-nunberg-doing/554906/

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 5 March 2018 22:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

as pointed out by darth, this is oddly satisfying

Trump name chiseled off the Trump International Hotel in Panama after weeks of tensions over control of the property. https://t.co/KQuDrUckyr pic.twitter.com/Ph6xlHgwBr

— ABC News (@ABC) March 5, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 5 March 2018 22:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

This does not strike me as someone looking to get a pardon from Trump.

Meltdown complete. Here's Nunberg calling White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders a "joke" and a "fat slob." Jesus. pic.twitter.com/BhVhGWvgqo

— Andrew Kirell (@AndrewKirell) March 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 March 2018 22:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

at this point half expecting him to call INfowars while on the toilet

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 5 March 2018 22:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

how much Maker's Mark is in Nunberg's belly right now?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 5 March 2018 22:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

how many different networks has he called now? MSNBC, CNN twice, and... is this Spectrum News just reporting on one of his MSNBC/CNN appearances?

erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 5 March 2018 22:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

trump really surrounds himself with the finest people

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Monday, 5 March 2018 22:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

imagine being a human adult with an ostensibly functioning prefrontal cortex and being ride or die for all this bullshit.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 5 March 2018 22:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

racism, "lib tears", and tax cuts for the rich is a helluva a drug i guess

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 5 March 2018 23:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

it’s new york’s spectrum news (which most people still refer to as ny1). he called them.

maura, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

there was apparently enough material for him to also appear on the channel’s 9pm show.

maura, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

i guess he’s on, like physically on. msnbc now

maura, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

- Can't afford paying lawyers to respond to or fight the subpoena in the fashion that his mentors might demand

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

This is amazing

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

how much Maker's Mark is in Nunberg's belly right now?

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, March 5, 2018 10:47 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Five minutes ago, I thought that was a joke. Now I'm not sure.

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

this guy is so long island

maura, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

Looking forward to Trump's Nunberg tweets

Moodles, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think he's on MSNBC right now, airing it out.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

Per @swin24 and @lachlan, Sam Nunberg's friends worry he was drinking before his appearances on CNN and MSNBC https://t.co/44kyaJFpts

— Max Tani (@maxwelltani) March 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

@Josh - Oklahoma teachers' strike fund is live

https://www.gofundme.com/oklahoma-teachers-united

Simon H., Monday, 5 March 2018 23:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

"racially intensitive"

maura, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

xpost Dude doesn't sound drunk. Well, no more than most. But he is burning bridges left and right.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

Nunberg’s behavior this week is unlikely to improve or repair his standing in Trump-world, which was never that great even before the president essentially exiled him early on in the presidential campaign. According to two sources with direct knowledge, when Nunberg worked for Trump as a political adviser, the future president would regularly berate Nunberg in private. Trump would call him a “jackass” and a “shithead,” among other derogatory terms, and make fun of him, and swear at him loudly.

omar little, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'm listening on the radio, is this live or repeat?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

he sounded more drunk in the clip from Feb. 28. Maybe he did a bump

xp this is live. the fourth (at least?) interview he's done today

maura, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

Nunberg has now warned Sarah Huckabee Sanders to "shut her mouth" and threatened to beat up Corey Lewandowski in a dark alley. We live in bonkers times. He's also commented on podcasts.

— Ben White (@morningmoneyben) March 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

"You know, I know Bob Mueller. I know that whole team, and they're right and they probably have something on Trump, trump did something pretty bad, if I understood them." (rough trans) pic.twitter.com/n655LLxNX6

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) March 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

He said good things about Preets podcast.

this sounds like a hostage negotiator trying to keep the crazy guy engaged as long as possible to keep him from jumping.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

Those close to Sam Nunberg told @swin24 that they fear he was drunk on the air. https://t.co/Y6Zlg9Jyt0

— Scott Bixby (@scottbix) March 5, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 5 March 2018 23:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QChWtLr0gcY

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

fwiw, reasonable man Renato thought to subpoena was pretty broad as well.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

Has anything like this ever happened before, someone going live on a TV talk show in open defiance of a subpoena and talking smack? I hope this guy went through a metal detector.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

i feel like this is a precursor to roger stone getting indicted for something big

maura, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

“whenever Sam Nunberg’s not on screen, all the other characters should be asking, where’s Sam Nunberg?” pic.twitter.com/fosGrYMEwp

— Dave Itzkoff (@ditzkoff) March 5, 2018

maura, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

my boner pill theory is only getting stronger by the day

maura, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

My partner reminds me that Nunberg was the guy tasked with explaining the constitution to Trump.

So, yeah.

— FineWereFineEverythingsFineHat (@Popehat) March 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

- He wants to get public digs in at Trump (and laurels for Stone) before testifying in secret, whatever the outcome

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

I was going to watch Logan tonight but I think instead I will go through all of the Nunberg footage and marvel.

Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Monday, 5 March 2018 23:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

Might as well watch Logan, at this rate there will be a lot more Sam to experience later.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

if that guy was fucking blotto on the air and fucked up that bad I will die laughing. like, tonight. oh my God.

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 5 March 2018 23:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

- Nunberg is seeking publicly telegraph the Mueller team's areas of focus to concerned players in the guise of having a meltdown (and attacking some of the people whose interests he's seeking to help?)

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 5 March 2018 23:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah but everyone already knew they were looking at all those areas/people. He hasn't said anything new at all!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 00:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

Elsewhere:

Spent a nice afternoon with #Ivanka & #JaredKushner two accomplished young people who only want the best for @realDonaldTrump & the country, but they work in a nest of snitches, vipers & rats AKA the #WestWing. My story exclusively on @seanhannity live at 9pm et pic.twitter.com/n4Hs9fOxnC

— Geraldo Rivera (@GeraldoRivera) March 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 00:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

"Snitches, vipers and rats, oh my!"

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 00:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

i agree with maura the guy looks like he was on speed or something

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 00:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah but everyone already knew they were looking at all those areas/people. He hasn't said anything new at all!

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, March 6, 2018 12:01 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't think that's correct. There has certainly been speculation about the potential liability of everyone mentioned in the subpoena, but he's being more specific on a variety of fronts, particularly as regards intent to prosecute Stone for perjury.

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 00:18 (eight months ago) Permalink

haven't seen the footage yet but I doubt nunberg is playing 4d chess here

gbx, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 00:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

Of course I hate all these people with the fury of a thousand suns. But there is something a bit... refreshing about the Moochian impulse to just say what the fuck, pound some shots, go on teevee, and say whatever comes to mind. At the very least, it's no more toxic than the shit these guys say on purpose while sober.

Wyld Scalyns (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 00:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

"you're drunk or off your meds"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 00:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

i cant be the only one who feels nunberg is going to kill himself any day now

barreras, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 00:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

There has certainly been speculation about the potential liability of everyone mentioned in the subpoena, but he's being more specific on a variety of fronts, particularly as regards intent to prosecute Stone for perjury.

Perhaps I'm glib here but I've kinda operated on the basis that a lot of people questioned would be trying to lie anyway. (As reinforced by Gates trying to do that *when he was negotiating with the team* -- and then got busted for that, and pled guilty.)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 00:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp: By "any day now" do you mean "on one of these shows" because that's the vibe I got from his Erin Burnett appearance

Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 00:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

ugh let's hope not

gbx, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 00:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

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barreras, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 00:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

Just caught the end of Erin Burnett’s interview with Nunberg where she ended by gently telling him she could smell alcohol on him and asking if he was drunk or high. All totally surreal. He said something like, “All I did was work loyally. I didn’t steal from the campaign. I didn’t have an affair with a married man.” (Making it clear other people were doing those things.)

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 00:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

that burnett interview is intense.

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 01:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

my god none of these MSNBC reporters sleep, do they? Leaving for work this morning I swear I saw Katy Tur on Morning Joe.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 01:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

i cant be the only one who feels nunberg is going to kill himself any day now

― barreras, Tuesday, March 6, 2018 12:50 AM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, there was an implication of something that could happen by the end of the week that could be read as either that or some sort of public disclosure even more off the wall or noisemaking than what's come already.

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 01:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

and yes, very surreal.

i may be alone here, but...i think it's fair for CNN to note that he is drunk and that several other sources have stated he's been drunk, because it at least provides a partial explanation for his weird ass behavior. but what's with the moralizing over it? part of that interview is like watching a televised intervention. yes, he's drunk! entire decades of public affairs played out in raging drunkness, who cares!

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 01:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

One also wonders what sorts of personal revelations as to Nunberg himself (and the affair talk may be relevant here) or more powerful figures may be contained in those emails.

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 01:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

Oh! CNN’s @ErinBurnett just told former Truno aide Sam Nunberg she smelled alcohol on his breath. pic.twitter.com/Qm8n1ogeW0

— John Aravosis (@aravosis) March 6, 2018

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 01:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

being drunk may provide an explanation but it won't give any legal cover

gbx, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 01:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

obv

gbx, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 01:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

Does Sam have a book about to come out or something

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 01:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

"Teetotal Recall"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 01:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

He said something like, “All I did was work loyally. I didn’t steal from the campaign. I didn’t have an affair with a married man.” (Making it clear other people were doing those things.)

So Hope Hicks, right?

maura, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 01:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

haha did anyone already do this one

As it's Sam Nunberg Day on Twitter...

Remember when he was 5-years old, met Donald for the first time, appeared at WWF Wrestlemania, and did the Bushwhacker moves on camera?

Nope?

Here you go... pic.twitter.com/QII773SOOK

— Old Rant Dump (@TrumpinTheShark) March 6, 2018

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 01:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

"We used to make things in this country" levels of guilty pathos in those lines xp

things you looked shockingly old when you wore (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 01:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

i cant be the only one who feels nunberg is going to kill himself any day now

shit

now i'm not enjoying this as much

had (crüt), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 01:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

if it makes you feel any better they'll probably blame it on hillary clinton

j., Tuesday, 6 March 2018 01:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

the guy got served with a subpoena and is going through a nervous breakdown of some sort. there are a lot more casualties of this administration that aren't getting any time on television

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 02:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

Our president has a deleterious effect on human beings. This effect seems to be very powerful in his immediate vicinity, but it should be remembered that radiates outward in maleficent waves into every corner of the globe.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 02:18 (eight months ago) Permalink

Nunberg’s whole vibe is “jumped on a conference call after a boozy work lunch”

I’m not saying I’m *not* here for it

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 02:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

lol

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 02:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

Updates, we got updates

Nunberg tells me he'll probably cooperate with Mueller in the end. He just doesn't want to make it easy. He thinks it isn't fair that they are asking for his personal communications. As of 8pm he says he had not talked to his lawyer.

— Katy Tur (@KatyTurNBC) March 6, 2018

I got off the phone with Nunberg about an hour ago, and he was at a restaurant with his father and his lawyer. He also told me he'd likely end up cooperating with Mueller. https://t.co/7HoDWuZT7R

— McKay Coppins (@mckaycoppins) March 6, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 02:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

goddamn this goofyass benny hill clusterfuck of an administration

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 02:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

That's the tightly-planned and rehearsed routines of Benny hill that brought joy to many over decades of success you're referring to, is it?

things you looked shockingly old when you wore (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 02:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

nah its a different one

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 03:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

I've got speeded up images of Trump running after porn stars to the Benny Hill theme tune in my head now

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 03:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

stop that

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 03:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

tripping over his tie

j., Tuesday, 6 March 2018 03:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

stop it

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 03:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

and falling into a mine shaft never to be seen again

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 03:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

ok thats all right

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 03:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

I hope Sam Numberg remembers to check in on Michael to make sure he’s stirring the sauce.

— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) March 5, 2018

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 03:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

Counterstrike!

Carter Page responds to Sam Nunberg's alleged drinking today: "There's been a lot of people who have been quite intoxicated for a year and a half now, so nothing new here" pic.twitter.com/7bgwOpCDMh

— Will Sommer (@willsommer) March 6, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 04:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

This must be one grimy clip

Basically Hannity keeps trying to get Page to get on the offensive but Page is uncharacteristically tight-lipped. Hannity asks him if he'll sue the media for defamation, Page begs off.

— Will Sommer (@willsommer) March 6, 2018

Hannity keeps pumping up Page: "Carter Page is going to be rich, that's my prediction. Carter Page is going to be a rich man after all of this!"

— Will Sommer (@willsommer) March 6, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 04:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

now see if I suspected Hannity were contemplating suicide I would be rejoicing

had (crüt), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 04:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

he's one of the few people on earth that would be correct in thinking they're better off dead

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 05:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

Idc about this guy but this interview will probably be of interest to y'all

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sam-nunberg-im-not-meltdown-050200426.html

Simon H., Tuesday, 6 March 2018 05:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

“My response is Chris Cillizza can go f**k himself and he dresses like s**t"

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 06:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

Seems telling that this guy can have a world-class meltdown that leaves people worried he won’t survive the week and still effortlessly own Cillizza.

JoeStork, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 06:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

That URL is killing me. 'I'm not meltdown.'

Did you ever see a doffin, did you (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 11:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

Basically sounds like Mueller broke him, but not in the way we traditionally understand it.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 12:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

Seems telling that this guy can have a world-class meltdown that leaves people worried he won’t survive the week and still effortlessly own Cillizza.


Ha, exactly.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 12:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

That McCay Coppins tweet is adorable. “Hi! I’m at a restaurant with my dad and my lawyer now. I’m going to cooperate with the authorities. Yeah! See you later Mr. Coppins! Bye!”

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 12:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

man....
the cast of characters surrounding this administration is unreal

good candidate for next thread title

“Number one on Twitter!” Nunberg yelled

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 12:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

lol no, rowley birkin is meant to be this:

The new Fake News narrative is that there is CHAOS in the White House. Wrong! People will always come & go, and I want strong dialogue before making a final decision. I still have some people that I want to change (always seeking perfection). There is no Chaos, only great Energy!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 6, 2018

mark s, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 13:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

by the power of Grayskull! for great Energy!!!

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 13:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

i hate to say this but when he is on it he is kind of a terrific microblogger

mark s, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 13:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

no you're right. it's this weird talent, even when his faculties seem otherwise, well, less-than-par shall we say

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 13:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

trump attacks with his +3 microblog of energy, dispersing the fake news spell

bathed and ready for a snack (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 13:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

It does take a certain skill to convince people that breaking things is a talent.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 13:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

The Bureau of Land Management on Monday removed about 17,300 acres of land in central Montana from an upcoming oil and natural gas lease auction, just a week before the scheduled sale.

The Interior Department, which oversees one in every five acres of land in the United States, was set to auction off leases for 109 parcels stretching across the Big Sky State from the Canadian border to Wyoming.

But Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke, who before joining the Trump administration represented Montana in Congress, decided to withdraw 26 parcels from consideration, along with portions of two others. A cadre of local and national environmental groups had filed formal protests against the sale, contending that drilling would adversely impact the Yellowstone River and other areas.

Interior will proceed starting next Monday with the auction of the remaining 83 parcels, which encompass nearly 46,200 acres.

Zinke initially tweeted his decision before issuing a more detailed statement that said further study was needed before part of the sale could take place.

“Multiple use is about balance,” his statement noted. “I’ve always said there are places where it is appropriate to develop and where it’s not.”

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 13:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

good mourning!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 13:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

I want nothing more than the most ironic of punishments for Zinke.

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 13:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

I still don't care about the freakshow element of the death of the Republic, but i'm glad you guys had yet another rollicking day's entertainment

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

you're too hip, baby. I can't carry you no more.

papa don't take no meth (stevie), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

must be tough to wait for Solo to come out

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

Must be tough to wait for The Day The Clown Cried to come out.

papa don't take no meth (stevie), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

no, that's for fuckers like you i suspect

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

Seems telling that this guy can have a world-class meltdown that leaves people worried he won’t survive the week and still effortlessly own Cillizza.

― JoeStork, Tuesday, March 6, 2018 6:49 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He's just repeating what he's heard from his pinstripes-and-primary-colors mentor, who probably got it all from Roy Cohn. Chris Cilizza's layup punditry with I-like-the-new-Grizzly-Bear asides can be pretty corny, but he seems to make a pretty good living at it, and he isn't about to maybe go to jail or worse.

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

Holy shit how do you do it

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

I want nothing more than the most ironic of punishments for Zinke.

― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, March 6, 2018 1:56 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Agreed. Horse-whipping? Lonely death from fall in box canyon?

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

let me know when gabbneb is banned again, guys

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRxPDoTGWj0

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

Also, I think Nunberg would probably say the same thing about virtually everyone who posts on this message board.

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

I like how we're supposed to pity him even though it's clear he's been living in his home state of Rhode Island since last year, so it's not like he's suddenly homeless.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/flynn-selling-house-pay-legal-bills-trump-probe/story?id=53545172

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

Oh well that's so nice!

Joe Flynn and other family members set up a defense fund for Flynn to collect donations from supporters. He wouldn't disclose how much has been raised, but he said the family has been surprised and deeply moved by the thousands of individual donations they've received, none of which came from foreign nationals or from Flynn's former boss, Trump.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

I want nothing more than the most ironic of punishments for Zinke.

― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, March 6, 2018 1:56 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Agreed. Horse-whipping? Lonely death from fall in box canyon?

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, March 6, 2018 9:20 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there has to be an endangered species of stinging ant or easily annoyed stinging bug that lives on our public lands

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

Crystal Skull flashbacks, gabbneb standing up for poor old Cilizza, and Morbius in the Morning - we’ve almost hit for the cycle and it’s not even 10am eastern

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

Huh, did not know this about Beto:

His relentless touring schedule, however, hails from his days as a post-hardcore guitarist in the 1990s, when his band Foss released a seven-inch record called The El Paso Pussycats. (The drummer of his group, Cedric Bixler-Zavala, went on to find widespread success in bands like At The Drive-In and The Mars Volta.)

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

"There is no Chaos, only great Energy!"

i knew it. trump is dr. robotnik

maura, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

I want nothing more than the most ironic of punishments for Zinke.

Mauled by a bear.

A bear who then wears his ears as a trophy.

tater totalitarian (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

i knew it. trump is dr. robotnik

holy shit, truth bomb

bathed and ready for a snack (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 14:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

i wonder if maybe michael cohen paid sam nunberg for that awesome meltdown (the day the new yorker (!) alleged the kremlin ordered trump to choose rexxon tillerson for american secretary of state over mr. self-deport) more than he paid stormy daniels, less?

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'm sure the ATDI connection is among the factors making him probably the most youthfully exciting and, more fraught, attractive candidate of the cycle*, even aside from the fact that he's running against probably the most annoying major candidate, to put it nonviolently. I expect it may also make a side-of-freakishness appearance in an outside-expenditure negative ad focusing on his burglary and DUI arrests, including video of him rolling around on the floor of a bar, for which the Mercers et al may be willing to spend in unlimited amounts, but these days it may just help him, we'll see.

*which may or may not be siphoning dollars from less interesting and less liberal candidates with much better shots at winning in NV, AZ, and maybe/probably TN (and now MS too?), not to mention downballot in TX. Wendy Davis was exciting and attractive and spun her fundraising too, but lost by nearly 20 points. Beto is doing better, and will do better, and fingers crossed.

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

holy shit a line break

bathed and ready for a snack (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

It's merely a footnote.

Line break isn't really my preferred nomenclature. Maybe because I'm Jewish.

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

holy shit another line break

bathed and ready for a snack (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

Hard return? Enter?

Or, since you're Jewish:

?retnE ?nruter draH

tater totalitarian (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

Stop taking the bait

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

wait what??? line breaks? judaism? i don't get it

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

I have to assume there's a mohel involved.

I'm not meltdown. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

Jokes, Guv'nor
IDK, paragraphs? This is a line break.

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

This is
a line break.

President Keyes, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

exclusive.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

hot breaks

President Keyes, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

Imagine the long odds may be responsible for the legislative Castro's sitting out the race too, but maybe he'll lose that Beto.

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

starts diagramming sentence

President Keyes, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

I am thinking, based on reading this thread, that Nunberg's public meltdown yesterday is what America looks like from outside the country.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

'outside'

I'm not meltdown. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah you can smell the alcohol on our breath from 100 miles offshore

President Keyes, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

I have to be honest, I can't really judge the extent of my own meltdown.

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

This is America, posting as f. hazel

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

help

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

This is a low
But it won't hurt you

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 15:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

f. hazel thank you for being the greatest country in the world

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 16:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

I don't care what anyone says I think f. hazel has always been great. crowd cheers

Evan, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 16:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

death to f. hazel

*burns f. hazel flag*

bathed and ready for a snack (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 16:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

my favourite neil young story is that neil's dad congratulated him on the success of 'horse with no name' and neil had to tell him that it was actually by f. hazel

bathed and ready for a snack (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 16:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

I've been to America but I've never been to me

erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 16:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

the ocean is a desert

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 17:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

sent to drain

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 17:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

Despite Nunberg's rage, he is still just a new Carter Page

I'm not meltdown. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 17:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

RiP KAC?

the late great, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 17:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

is there a thread for the school strikes?

Oklahoma is inching closer to joining West Virginia in a major teacher’s strike. I took a look at what’s going on. https://t.co/SsqCaVYdML pic.twitter.com/zyJkPBIRK7

— Matt Pearce 🦅 (@mattdpearce) March 6, 2018


Oklahoma City is in. "The Oklahoma City Public Schools Board of Education is in full support of our teachers and stands ready to take any steps necessary to improve conditions for our teachers – including a districtwide suspension of classes." https://t.co/AQDoDs8RvZ

— Matt Pearce 🦅 (@mattdpearce) March 6, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 17:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

sounds like the WV teachers are going to get their 5% -- and that the state will pay for it by cutting other things rather than raising taxes

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 17:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

I am fine with turning all of these guys into glue. I only feel bad for those who have to be around their noxious meat, stress farts.

Yerac, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 17:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

Blair said the government will see a $20 million reduction in spending to come out of cuts to general services and Medicaid.

this is obviously peanuts but i'm curious to know what timeframe this is talking about

(from here - https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/06/us/west-virginia-teachers-strike/index.html )

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 18:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

WV governor jim justice remains, of course, worth $1.6 billion

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 18:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

gah that response reminds me of that episode of ER where there was a violent incident by a patient and they wouldn't put in metal detectors so the one rebel boss had them put in so supervisor said "cool, we will keep the metal detectors, now you get to choose which two nurses we lay off to pay for it"

but of course nobody realistically expected taxes to be the way this was solved

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 18:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

Meanwhile

Roger Stone tells me he didn't ask for Sam Nunberg's protection, says he is "his own man."

W/ @SlatteryNYDN @NYDailyNews https://t.co/c5AlcZQ5q0

— Chris Sommerfeldt (@C_Sommerfeldt) March 6, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 18:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

Nunberg is playing Smithers to Roger's Mr. Burns.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 18:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

It would be a start:

just spoke w @NunbergSam he told me he's fully cooperating now w Mueller's team and he's intending to go get treatment following his grand jury appearance on Friday

— Charles Gasparino (@CGasparino) March 6, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 18:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

This strikes me as bad

EXCLUSIVE: Trump lawyer Michael Cohen received inside info from Russia probe, @woodruffbets and @attackerman report https://t.co/GuM5fLKP2W

— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) March 6, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 19:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

Wonder how it got from the neutral and private GOP-led House to Trump's man on the outside? Hmm, it's a mystery!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 19:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

the call is coming from inside the asylum!

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 20:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

Genuinely curious whether I'll live to see someone roll some primo ganj into our country's founding documents and enjoy a sweet toke of contempt for everything we once naively thought we stood for.

I'm not meltdown. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 20:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://i.imgur.com/RLpp9dh.gif

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 20:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

And more Cohen funnies!

NEW: Special counsel has examined episodes involving Michael Cohen, Trump’s longtime lawyer https://t.co/RQPQ3MGB6K

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) March 6, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 20:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

Then of course

Trump says tariffs will be done in a "loving, loving way"

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) March 6, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 20:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

Trump can go love himself, if you know what I mean.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 21:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

Sam Nunberg is the last straw. I'm not learning anyone else's name from this administration. I only had to learn nine names for the whole Wu Tang Clan and they've been around since '93.

— Matt Fernandez (@FattMernandez) March 6, 2018

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 21:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

Trump referred to Sweden -- which, if it were a US state, would be the 3rd largest by land area and 7th largest by population -- as "small but sharp."

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 21:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

haha xp i kind of had the same reaction, "i'm not going to invest any more time learning about these assholes." call me when it's the turn for trump himself, pence, kush, or don jr

marcos, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 21:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

who's the scumbag sneak dissin cappadonna?

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 21:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

tbf Sweden is awful, and would only be half as big if it wasn't for their dishonorable behaviour in the Scania wars.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 21:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

the SWE/DEN beef is one of earth's more localised and charming affairs

imago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 21:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

am I going to have to post that Kingdom gif again

imago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 21:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

sweden should annex denmark and call it swedenmark

piper at the gates of d'awwww (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 21:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

it will be all the same to the rest of the world who can't discern any of their minute cultural differences

piper at the gates of d'awwww (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 21:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

M@tt, he anticipated your response

Cappadonna was not an original member you vultures!!

— Matt Fernandez (@FattMernandez) March 6, 2018

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 21:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cappadonna

Cappadonna (also known as Cappachino) was known to the future members of the Wu-Tang Clan, and had been U-God's mentor.[3] However, Cappadonna went to prison and was replaced in the group by Method Man.[4]

the plot thickens

piper at the gates of d'awwww (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 21:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah he's a fuckin idiot cappa was original, that's fuckin #facts

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

lex was right, ban comedy

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

SCOOP: Gary Cohn resigns https://t.co/x4zPzVN8iO

— Kate Kelly (@katekelly) March 6, 2018

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

Gary Cohen out.

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

ha whoops

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

still doing mets broadcasts iirc

mookieproof, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

Ralph Kiner a name getting knocked around

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

Gary has been my chief economic adviser and did a superb job in driving our agenda, helping to deliver historic tax cuts and reforms and unleashing the American economy once again,” Mr. Trump said in a statement to The New York Times. “He is a rare talent, and I thank him for his dedicated service to the American people.”

yes, he certainly has

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

which worked out for everyone since that was his job

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

Nazis, sure, but those tariffs, lemme tell ya.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

hey you can't make a tough stand on everything

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GZpMJeynBeg/hqdefault.jpg

"If it's me and your granny on bongos, it's the executive branch."

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

(Gary Cohen the Simon Wolstencroft of this outfit imo)

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

Nazis, sure, but those tariffs, lemme tell ya.

Came here to quip almost exactly that.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 22:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

this is probably a good time to remind everyone that cappadonna's verse on winter warz is probably the best wu rapping of all time

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 23:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

Supposedly Trump met with John Bolton at the White House today.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 23:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

Winter Whiskerz

I'm not meltdown. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 23:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

A friend of mine did sound for a Cappadonna club date here. He went on really late then started yelling for the sound to be turned up. He kept demanding more volume - "turn that shit up!" - but my friend didn't touch anything until Cappadonna eventually just nodded and said, "yeah, now *that's* what I'm fucking talking about!" And then he did his set.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 23:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

Re: Bolton, I love these back bench last picked clowns who just hang around until there's no one left.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 23:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

Oh my.

I asked Carter Page today if he'd heard from FBI or congressional investigators since the Nunes memo came out.

His reply: pic.twitter.com/fLFEvS0ORG

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) March 6, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 23:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

but my friend didn't touch anything until Cappadonna eventually just nodded and said, "yeah, now *that's* what I'm fucking talking about!" And then he did his set.

Haha

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 6 March 2018 23:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

i can't rule on cappadonna's status but "only nine names" for the wu-tang clan is clearly wrong

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 23:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

that covers like any two of them

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 6 March 2018 23:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

Here's some fun. A little more esoteric but all sorts of interesting names crop up in this story:

Big Times scoop here: Adviser to Emirates With Ties to Trump Aides Is Cooperating With Special Counsel https://t.co/hODO1cMts6 pic.twitter.com/S5FbYLo2tL

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) March 7, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 00:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

Carter Page isn't mad at all actually he's laughing

gbx, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 00:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

Full day, full day...

BREAKING: Stormy Daniels sues Donald Trump, says "hush agreement" invalid because he never signed. pic.twitter.com/bEAwCsHRut

— NBC News (@NBCNews) March 7, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 01:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

mes quote made me actually lol on train thx

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 01:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

xpost sues for what?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 01:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

to nullify the hush agreement

Earlier today, we filed this complaint seeking a ct order voiding the alleged “hush” agreement between our client S. Clifford aka Stormy Daniels and Donald Trump. https://t.co/upa9u10MqR

— Michael Avenatti (@MichaelAvenatti) March 7, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 01:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

Ah, so not for money, to void a contract.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 01:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

Ah, so not for money, to void a contract.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 01:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

Is anyone selling “Free Stormy” shirts yet?

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 01:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

BTW you really should dig into that Emirates advisor story I linked a few posts back. Dude's name first came up last week and now it's a little more clear as to what's going on.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 01:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

dlh otm

just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 02:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

tho tbh these threads have surpassed Morbs in handing out Wu-like alts for US politicians

just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 02:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

Washington (CNN)Republicans in Utah are working their way toward naming a highway after President Donald Trump in thanks of his decision to dramatically scale down national monuments in the state.

State Democrats, however, have another idea: naming a rampway after Stormy Daniels, the porn star who has alleged a decade-old sexual encounter with the President (Trump's personal attorney has denied the affair).

On Monday, a bill to rename Utah National Parks Highway to "Donald J. Trump Utah National Parks Highway" cleared a House committee 9-2.

The measure, introduced by GOP Rep. Mike Noel, is a nod to the President's scaling back of Bears Ears National Monument by about 85% and Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument to almost half its size. The shrinking of lands declared a national monument makes it easier to mine for coal and drill for oil.

In February, Noel faced a formal ethics complaint for failing to disclose land holdings near the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument worth $1.2 million, the Salt Lake Tribune reported.

If the bill reaches the state Senate, Democratic Sen. Jim Dabakis told the Salt Lake Tribune he would propose an amendment to name a frontage road that runs alongside the National Parks Highway "Stormy Daniels rampway." Daniels is the adult film star who received $130,000 from Trump's personal lawyer after she claimed she had an affair with Trump.

Democrats, however, make up less than 20% of the Senate body, suggesting the amendment is a long shot.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 02:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

dumb

the late great, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 02:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

Dumb News!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 02:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

So if Trump does nothing, Stormy "wins," the NDA is voided, and she can sell her story. If Trump fights back, that means acknowledged the veracity of the NDA, which blows his cover. Right?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 02:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think it's been conclusively proved that dalliances with porn stars will never take Trump down so it's neither here nor there really

Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 03:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

Unless it all finally gets to Melania and she gets the hell out, but that's not going to happen either

Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 03:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

Isn't there an Eddie Murphy bit about Lincoln forgetting to sign the Emancipation Proclamation?

tater totalitarian (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 03:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2110194/

Moo Vaughn, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 04:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

lmao

.@MickMulvaneyOMB's statement on the departure of Gary Cohn. pic.twitter.com/PgpOH6rcdE

— OMB Press (@OMBPress) March 6, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 04:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

One of the most awkward moments in CNN history. pic.twitter.com/TIKtMWeSPt

— Jimmy Traina (@JimmyTraina) March 7, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 04:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

Fucking Nazi asswipe gtfo with this “globalist” shit you know exactly what you’re doing you piece of dogshit

valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 04:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

xps to mick mylvaney

valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 04:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

Can you paraphrase that I can’t watch

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 04:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

NEVER THOUGHT ID MEet a rRWAL LIVE JEW WHERE ARE YOUR HORNS
-—micktopher mulvaney

valorous wokelord (silby), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 04:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

xpost -- Think the world's worst comedian dying on stage -- then multiply that by a thousand.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 04:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

then divide by 20, and thats about how cringeworthy that was

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 05:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

...just to be clear, that means we're talking 50 times worst than the world's worst comedian dying on stage

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 05:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

worse

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 05:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

yes, i feel like that's the appropriate magnitude

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 05:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

i appreciate a really precise estimate with these things

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 05:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

so now there are trump dick pics

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 05:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

every picture of the president is a dick pic

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 06:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

a black mirror version of black mirror would have a president fucking a pig on live television and no one in the audience even really caring about it that much

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 06:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

hes just fucking it like it is

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 06:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yes, Black Mirror now seems quaint and a little naïve. Excuse me while I go die real quick.

I'm not meltdown. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 13:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

Re: that crazy UAE/Trump/Nader/Prince stuff, ties into this from a while ago:

The NYT version of the Seychelles meeting adds new significance to this exchange during Erik Prince's congressional testimony.

He had insisted news accounts of the meeting were "fabricated" -- until he seemed to slip and acknowledge the existence of a transcript. pic.twitter.com/XVr3jhDhF8

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) March 7, 2018

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 15:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

lol what a dumbshit

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 15:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

I hate it when I lie ahead of myself

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 15:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

idk maybe he's assuming there was 'FISA abuse' going on and texts were intercepted?

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

The texts that didn’t exist....

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

i can't even keep track of who these weird dumbass grifters are anymore

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

Prince is a big fish.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

Is this the Blackwater guy whose sister is Betsy Devos?

omar little, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

OK I knew about Prince and what a shitstain he is but I did NOT know that, somehow

Simon H., Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

oh that's the best part of this whole disgusting mess

sleeve, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

"best"

sleeve, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

This reminds me of Bill Clinton’s “rich, soft wanting” only funnier. https://t.co/01Dkqz8vNN

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) March 6, 2018

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp Prince is also the guy who met w/ Trump last year to propose a private intelligence agency at the service of the president

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

future Senator Erik Prince is going to awesome

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

Finally read the linked nyt piece on that Nader character and im tryna figure out his planning to visit mara lago in january and not envisioning an absolute swarm of fbi/mueller bees awaiting his deplaning.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

cant tell if mara lago is a good drag name or not

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

I can't figure out why he would fly to Washington to go to Mar-A-Lago.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

Prince deserves to die in a lake of fire, don't get me wrong, but that transcript of conversation doesn't seem that damning to me? He could easily have been saying "What hypothetical official is supposedly reading this hypothetical transcript?"

Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/03/07/why-isnt-wall-street-freaking-out-about-trump-217228

as expected, it boils down to this:

If there is a unified field theory for why Trump’s highly unusual presidency doesn’t ruffle Wall Street, it’s this: Beyond all the noise and bluster, he’s mostly a standard-issue Republican. At the agency level, his appointees have championed fewer regulations on every conceivable industry, rolling back or postponing one Barack Obama-era restriction after another. Trump also signed a bill slashing the corporate tax rate nearly in half, fattening corporate profits, and unleashing dividend payments and stock buybacks, all of which help drive share prices higher.

&

Part of the reason markets don’t react much to the North Korea talk, the senior trader said, is that there is really no way to model what an actual conflict would look like, so people just assume it won’t happen. “How can you even analyze a nuclear war?” the senior trader said. “There was a chance a few weeks ago that we were going to enter a nuclear war, and markets didn’t react to that. … And yes, that is pretty crazy.”

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 16:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

on one hand, several dozen of the world's major cities were obliterated in a nuclear war and are now mostly silent except for the occasional irradiated ghoul scavenging for food in the rubble

but on the other, i TOTALLY sold high just before all that happened! buy the dip!!

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 17:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

Mara Large-O would work better

jamiesummerz, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 17:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

windfallout

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 17:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

i rescreened mystic pizza a while back and mar-a-lago is in it (via lifestyle of the rich & famous)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osIL3M7os_o

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 17:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

Mara Large-O would work better

― jamiesummerz, Wednesday, March 7, 2018 9:04 AM (fifty-six minutes ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzolCu-QLw0

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 18:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

should we have a "rolling labor unrest" thread or something? Oklahoma teachers strike is happening, Kentucky may follow

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-06/could-west-virginia-s-wildcat-teachers-strike-spread

Simon H., Wednesday, 7 March 2018 19:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

Kentucky is the one that would really blow my mind, kinda.

Also, this is probably completely coincidental, but 100s of thousands of Danish workers are probably going on strike next month, and I am wondering a bit if there are any parallels.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 19:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

Labor specific thread may not be a bad idea, curious what other people think. There’s too much news right now, stuff is easily getting buried.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

FWIW the most level-headed piece I've seen about the WVa strike comes from Sarah Jones at The Nation.

https://newrepublic.com/article/147307/cost-west-virginia-teachers-strike

Simon H., Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

Paging marcos, let's you and me go to this: http://fox8.com/2018/03/07/porn-star-stormy-daniels-to-appear-in-cleveland/

NB: Good work, machine generated news stories: "The porn star claims she had a sex with Trump years ago."

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

haha phil

marcos, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

one (1) sex

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

The Prince stuff is old news to Abramson-readers.

He's been under investigation by the Justice Dept since 2016 btw.

Moo Vaughn, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 20:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

Abramson

noooooooope

piper at the gates of d'awwww (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 21:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

Ah, the penny drops.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 21:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

say what?

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 21:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

Someone dropped a penny on Trump from the top of the Empire State.

Simon H., Wednesday, 7 March 2018 21:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

Gotta start somewhere.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 21:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

racial polarization in texas:
–state is 39% hispanic, 42% white non-hispanic
–115/181 lawmakers are currently Republican. next session there will be at max 2 hispanic Rs, possibly 1 or 0
–66/181 lawmakers are currently Democratic. five are white non-hispanic

— chris hooks (@cd_hooks) March 7, 2018

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 22:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

Convenient.

Hope Hicks told the House Intelligence Committee last week that one of her email accounts was hacked, @NBCNews reports: https://t.co/lbdOwgQbaz

— Jenna Johnson (@wpjenna) March 7, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 23:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

BUT HER EM... um, oh, wait.

Fwiw, hacking claims also attended the furors around Anthony Weiner, David Petraeus, and Mark Sanford.

tater totalitarian (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 7 March 2018 23:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

Odd fellow, this president.

NEW - via @nytmike and me, Mueller has learned of two instances where Trump spoke to witnesses about issues related to their appearances w investigators https://t.co/bo7pcLjkQE

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) March 7, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 23:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

In one episode, the president told an aide that the White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, should issue a statement denying a New York Times article in January. The article said Mr. McGahn told investigators that the president once asked him to fire the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III. Mr. McGahn never released a statement and later had to remind the president that he had indeed asked Mr. McGahn to see that Mr. Mueller was dismissed, the people said.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 23:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

Full story is even better:

Mr. Trump’s interactions with Mr. McGahn unfolded in the days after the Jan. 25 Times article, which said that Mr. McGahn threatened to quit last June after the president asked him to fire the special counsel. After the article was published, the White House staff secretary, Rob Porter, told Mr. McGahn that the president wanted him to release a statement saying that the story was not true, the people said.

Mr. Porter, who resigned last month amid a domestic abuse scandal, told Mr. McGahn the president had suggested he might “get rid of” Mr. McGahn if he chose not to challenge the article, the people briefed on the conversation said.

Mr. McGahn did not publicly deny the article, and the president later confronted him in the Oval Office in front of the White House chief of staff, John F. Kelly, according to the people.

The president said he had never ordered Mr. McGahn to fire the special counsel. Mr. McGahn replied that the president was wrong and that he had in fact asked Mr. McGahn in June to call the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, to tell him that the special counsel had a series of conflicts that disqualified him for overseeing the investigation and that he had to be dismissed. The president told Mr. McGahn that he did not remember the discussion that way.

Mr. Trump moved on, pointing out that Mr. McGahn had never told him that he was going to resign over the order to fire the special counsel. Mr. McGahn acknowledged that that was true but said that he had told senior White House officials at the time that he was going to quit.

It is not clear how the confrontation was resolved.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 March 2018 23:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

i rescreened mystic pizza a while back and mar-a-lago is in it (via lifestyle of the rich & famous)

― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, March 7, 2018 11:29 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I hope when this is all over that everyone can come together and agree to George Lucas the shit out of every cultural artifact that contains a non-pejorative mention or depiction of Trump. It's such a fucking bummer every time I hear his name in old tv shows and songs.

I'm not meltdown. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 8 March 2018 00:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

it's really disheartening and stressful when you're trying to unwind with some mindless 80s trash and Trump appears out of nowhere in some hitherto harmless idiom like some piece of unexploded cultural ordinance

erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 8 March 2018 00:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yes this...huh?

President Trump’s lawyer secretly obtained a restraining order last week to prevent Stormy Daniels from speaking out about her alleged affair with Trump https://t.co/tvhljhVQEf

— NYT Politics (@nytpolitics) March 7, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 00:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

does anyone even care about this (apart from melania)?

mookieproof, Thursday, 8 March 2018 00:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

Less than 2/3 of Texas' population is eligible to vote. Most of that is due to age, but even among the voting-age population, more than 15% is ineligible due to lack of citizenship or criminal status.

Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 8 March 2018 00:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

does anyone even care about this (apart from melania)?

Whatever hemming and hawing the likes of Jerry Falwell Jr may do, there is a question of potential misuse of political funds depending on where the $130,000 ultimately came from.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 00:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

also it shows how susceptible trump is to blackmail etc

maura, Thursday, 8 March 2018 00:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

i mean it was obvious to some of us for decades that he is a fuckin crook but others need more convincing

maura, Thursday, 8 March 2018 00:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'm amazed that Mueller's phalanx of attorneys can track of this. I imagine Mueller like James Mason in The Verdict, directing the teams.
"Okay, well, cancel all vacations, Smith. We're going to concentrate on obstruction of justice, hmm?"

https://youtu.be/S_o54V6y2bA?t=26m36s

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 March 2018 00:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

Well I think for him and his team it's the fact that new material -- criminal or not -- keeps *happening,* as evidenced by Trump's muddling the other month mentioned above. And at such a high amount and with a wide profile.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 00:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

Busy Wednesday here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/b6a5fb8c-224b-11e8-94da-ebf9d112159c_story.html?utm_term=.229ad2d5e183

This builds on the story the other day re the Seychelles, thus:

Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III has gathered evidence that a secret meeting in the Seychelles just before the inauguration of Donald Trump was an effort to establish a back-channel between the incoming administration and the Kremlin — apparently contradicting statements made to lawmakers by one of its participants, according to people familiar with the matter....

While Mueller is probing the circumstances of the Seychelles meeting, he is also more broadly examining apparent efforts by the Trump transition team to create a back-channel for secret talks between the new administration and the Kremlin. Mueller was appointed special counsel to investigate how Russia interfered in the 2016 election, whether any Americans assisted in such efforts, and any other related matters that arise in the course of his probe.

Investigators now suspect the Seychelles meeting may have been one of the first efforts to establish such a line of communications between the two governments, these people said. Nader’s account is considered key evidence — but not the only evidence — about what transpired in the Seychelles, according to people familiar with the matter.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 00:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

Something new every day. Every. Single. Day. Almost damning, never exculpatory.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 01:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

YOU'RE THE PUPPET!

I'm not meltdown. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 8 March 2018 01:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

i am ready for the part of the nightmare to be over

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Thursday, 8 March 2018 01:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://i.imgflip.com/iiwdr.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 01:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

He stormy Daniels thing is important because it’s a criminal violation of campaign finance laws on its face.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 8 March 2018 01:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

Also, for all his lies there are still people who believe him, or think his accusers are the liars. In this case, if he denies the contract she is free to tell her story (or whatever she intends to do), which will prove his involvement, and if he fights to enforce it he therefore validates it, which also admits culpability. Then there is the campaign finance stuff. Then there is also the test case effect that if she sues and wins, or evinces either of the aforementioned results, that allows/emboldens all of his other accusers to follow the same legal path and call his bluff.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 01:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

Or as someone purporting to be a lawyer observed online:

This agreement is not invalid simply because Trump didn't sign it. The terms are clear, and she was paid the money as contemplated by the agreement. The fact that Trump didn't sign it is irrelevant because it was signed by his agent.

However, and this is the good part, all Trump needs to do to soundly beat this lawsuit is adopt the contract. If his lawyer had Trump's authority to execute the agreement, then all Trump has to do is acknowledge and adopt the contract, and it is 100% binding.

Stormy Daniels' lawyer knows this. But they also know that politically Trump cannot acknowledge or adopt this contract. This is win-win-win for them. Either (1) Trump refuses to adopt the contract, in which case she gets out of it and gets to sell her story to the networks, (2) Trump adopts the contract, and that in itself is a news story, or (3) she gets more money from Trump to drop the suit.

Edit: A few people are correctly pointing out that another issue for Trump is that asserting the contract was for his benefit may also have implications for an FEC violation.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 01:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

trump's crimes only seem to be crimes insofar as congress feels that they are, so it seems odd that paying off stormy is a bigger deal than kellyanne c. violating the hatch act or jared endlessly forgetting to list all of his creditors or various emolumental actions

besides, we all know that money is free speech

mookieproof, Thursday, 8 March 2018 01:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

The thing is, the Stormy stuff - that is state law, right? It has nothing to do with congress.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 01:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

Some Republicans on the panel are dismissing the concerns that Prince may have lied to the committee about meeting with Nader.
"It's all bulls***," said Rep. Peter King, a New York Republican.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 8 March 2018 02:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

Well of course they're saying that, they're going to look like idiots if it turns out they glossed over something major. (Which is more likely than not, obv.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 02:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

Donald Trump, master negotiator. https://t.co/LqmPz22tno pic.twitter.com/KYtxMh2wBk

— Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) March 8, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 02:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

I just wanted to point out what a garbage person Peter King is

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 8 March 2018 02:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

u otm tho

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 8 March 2018 02:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

More from the madhouse

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/us/politics/trump-white-house-advisers.html

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 02:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

The thing is, the Stormy stuff - that is state law, right? It has nothing to do with congress.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, March 8, 2018 1:54 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

As caek has already suggested, no. The potential election law liability isn't the end of the story, either. It's evidence of a pattern of behavior involving extramarital sexual relations, legal arrangements to cover up same, and the potential for blackmail, all of which may relate to matters relevant to the special counsel investigation.

Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 8 March 2018 03:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

(as Maura said as well, I see)

Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 8 March 2018 03:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

The Master Negotiator digs are fun, but as already revealed in other areas, the real silver lining with this administration is that their cluelessness about or disinterest in following the rules makes it easier to stop or reverse many of their efforts.

Moo Vaughn, Thursday, 8 March 2018 03:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

xpost Yeah, but if there are settlements, or defamation damages or any stuff like that, that is going through the state. I'm not talking about Trump getting impeached for paying off a porn star. I'm talking about his humiliation, or Cohen getting disbarred, or fun stuff like that.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 03:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

It's evidence of a pattern of behavior involving extramarital sexual relations, legal arrangements to cover up same, and the potential for blackmail, all of which may relate to matters relevant to the special counsel investigation.

Much as one might want it to be different, none of this makes a dime's worth of difference. Extramarital affairs don't qualify to undo a national election and 'the will of the people', nor does paying off the 'correspondent' of the affair to be quiet about it. Unless it can be proved that Trump was successfully blackmailed into committing a high crime or misdemeanor, then the potential for blackmail is similarly unavailing.

All this stuff can do is damage his reputation, which, if his reputation was susceptible to damage, would have been a heap of shit after the pussy grabbing video.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 8 March 2018 05:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'm talking about his humiliation

I hear that Trump talks a big game, but that he's really a half-termer in the sack.

...some of y'all too woke to function (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 8 March 2018 05:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

Something I'd love to see a reporter ask Trump Org about:

1) Cohen formed EC LLC on Oct 17 2016
2) The contract provided for EC LLC to pay Stormy 30K by Oct 27 2016
3) Between Oct 17 & Oct 25, the Trump campaign made payments to Trump Org properties that add up to 29,999.72. pic.twitter.com/CMAxgl3Vn4

— Susan Simpson (@TheViewFromLL2) March 8, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 8 March 2018 05:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

28 cents off, fake news

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Thursday, 8 March 2018 06:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

Aimless, no, it won't persuade the deplorables, but John Edwards was brought down by his own Stormy Daniels.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 March 2018 11:18 (eight months ago) Permalink

Sometimes I think its pertinent to remember how few deplorables there actually are, and work on the rest who aren't beyond help

papa don't take no meth (stevie), Thursday, 8 March 2018 11:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

Nah

El Tomboto, Thursday, 8 March 2018 11:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

alternatively, the master negotiator in chief shaved $0.28 off payments to himself and the libs are TRIGGERED xxp

War, Famine, Pestilence, Death, Umami (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 8 March 2018 11:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

There's hiding in plain sight and then there's...

Erik Prince, under fresh scrutiny in the Russia probe over the Seychelles meeting, is hosting a fundraiser for .... none other than Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, perhaps the most Kremlin-friendly member of Congress. (via @rebeccagberg) https://t.co/tbeaYGJBdm

— Marshall Cohen (@MarshallCohen) March 8, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

this is all rather byzantine to me but i'm not sure i understand the implication of susan simpson's post there--that money to daniels was being funneled from the campaign itself to her through trump org properties?

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

Attorney General Jeff Sessions told Fox News’ Shannon Bream Wednesday that he “will consider” naming a second special counsel to probe the FBI and Justice Department’s investigations into possible collusion between the 2016 Trump campaign and Russia.

“Well, I have great respect for Mr. Gowdy and Chairman Goodlatte, and we are going to consider seriously their recommendations,” Sessions told Bream in an interview that ran late Wednesday night. “I have appointed a person outside of Washington — many years at the Department of Justice — to look at all of the allegations that the House Judiciary Committee members sent to us and we are conducting that investigation.”

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/07/sessions-considering-second-special-counsel/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

what is that, confuse-a-cat?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

fine, appoint a second counsel if it will shut them the fuck up. they're not going to find anything

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

as long as that counsel isn't, like, Nevin Dunes

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

They'll find HRC's missing emails that's what

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

Pretty sure you can clearly see them here:

https://media.nbcbayarea.com/images/653*367/bigfootstillpatterson123.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

Wait, this clears it up more:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4CcUMaoBnCk/maxresdefault.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

Thanks for adding that arrow. I was scanning the image and initially couldn't find the big red circle

Evan, Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

that's Bill in costume hoping no one sees him burying envelopes.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 March 2018 15:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

its pertinent to remember how few deplorables there actually are

The 21% who consider Barack Obama the worst president since WWII is the bedrock of support. Trump could fuck Ivanka in the middle of 5th Avenue and support wouldn't drop further.

Quinnipiac U. poll, March 7, 2018

Free Stormy Daniels (Sanpaku), Thursday, 8 March 2018 16:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

Donald Trump is the worst of the 13 presidents who have served since the end of World War II, 41 percent of American voters say, followed by 21 percent who list Barack Obama and 10 percent who cite Richard Nixon, in a Quinnipiac University National Poll released today.

Looking at the best president since 1945, 28 percent say Ronald Reagan. Another 24 percent list Barack Obama, with 10 percent each for Bill Clinton and John Kennedy.

President Trump is fifth on the list, with 7 percent, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN- uh-pe-ack) University Poll finds.

Trailing Trump are Dwight Eisenhower, with 4 percent; Harry Truman and Jimmy Carter with 3 percent each; Lyndon Johnson, with 2 percent, and Richard Nixon, George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush, all with 1 percent each. Gerald Ford scores less than 1 percent.

lol star power (JFK) and recency (poor LBJ and Ike)

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 March 2018 16:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

Ah, role models.

WaPo: Sr. career DHS official who served jail time for alleged assault that left his wife w/ 2 broken ribs & substantial bruising around her neck & chest, handles “high volume” of classified information in his role as an intelligence briefer. https://t.co/eMChKDUBWR @eliseviebeck

— Evan Rosenfeld (@Evan_Rosenfeld) March 8, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 17:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

btw as he just rambled about "protecting our country" with tariffs, Yam included McKinley in a list of great presidents.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 March 2018 17:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

must have been the last portrait he passed

omar little, Thursday, 8 March 2018 17:18 (eight months ago) Permalink

gotta stop eating those portraits mr president

War, Famine, Pestilence, Death, Umami (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 8 March 2018 17:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

speaking of "abolish ICE," ICE is detaining an arrested immigrant organizer friend.

they're asking the judge to refuse to allow her to post bond.

sign this letter, which will go to the judge considering whether or not to overrule ICE's request & grant her the bond for release.

https://action.mijente.net/petitions/release-immigrant-rights-activist-alejandra-pablos-from-detention

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 8 March 2018 17:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

Here’s what we found: At least 187 Trump political appointees have been federal lobbyists, and despite President Trump’s campaign pledge to “drain the swamp,” many are now overseeing the industries they once lobbied on behalf of. We’ve also discovered ethics waivers that allow Trump staffers to work on subjects in which they have financial conflicts of interest. In addition, at least 254 appointees affiliated with Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and at least 125 staffers from prominent conservative think tanks are now working in the federal government, many of whom are on teams to repeal Obama-era regulations.

Drilling down even further, at least 35 Trump political appointees worked for or consulted with groups affiliated with the the billionaire libertarian brothers Charles and David Koch, who also have a network of advocacy groups, nonprofits, private companies and political action committees. At least 25 Trump appointees came from the influential Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank founded in 1973, and at least two came from Heritage Action, its related political nonprofit. Heritage says the Trump administration, in just its first year, has enacted nearly two-thirds of its 334 policy recommendations. We also found — for the first time — dozens of special-government employees, or SGEs, who work as paid consultants or experts for federal agencies while keeping their day jobs in the private sector.

https://www.propublica.org/article/what-we-found-in-trump-administration-drained-swamp-hundreds-of-ex-lobbyists-and-washington-dc-insiders

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 March 2018 17:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

Donald Trump is the worst of the 13 presidents who have served since the end of World War II, 41 percent of American voters say, followed by 21 percent who list Barack Obama and 10 percent who cite Richard Nixon, in a Quinnipiac University National Poll released today.

George W Bush probably feels pretty proud about those numbers right now.

MarkoP, Thursday, 8 March 2018 18:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

speaking of gwb he and rove were always talking about how they were emulating mcckinley

btw as he just rambled about "protecting our country" with tariffs, Yam included McKinley in a list of great presidents.

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, March 8, 2018 5:05 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 8 March 2018 18:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

I can think of a good way for Rove, Bush, and Trump to emulate McKinley

Simon H., Thursday, 8 March 2018 18:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

heard rove on npr the other day talking about how abolishing the electoral college would be an awful idea

Heez, Thursday, 8 March 2018 18:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

McKinley's on an lot of lists of good presidents (by which I mean "had goals and achieved them," not whether the goals hurt people); I'm still biased toward Gore Vidal's portrait of him as a grinning benign cardinal type who always got what he wanted.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 March 2018 18:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

God: I’m bored. What if Watergate and the Lewinsky scandal were happening at the same time but — get this — this time, everyone’s dumb as shit

— Chase Mitchell (@ChaseMit) March 8, 2018

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 March 2018 19:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

Ha. otm.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 8 March 2018 19:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

JUST IN: Federal judge sets July 10 trial date for Manafort on tax and bank fraud charges pic.twitter.com/Kc0tomu3Jd

— Reuters Politics (@ReutersPolitics) March 8, 2018

Three month countdown. All sorts of things could happen!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 19:32 (eight months ago) Permalink

(In almost assuredly unreleated news:

BREAKING: UK police update total number of people treated as a result of former Russian spy's poisoning to roughly 21.

— The Associated Press (@AP) March 8, 2018

No connection at all.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 19:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

Truly someone enjoying his life choices.

Paul Manafort arrived at a federal court in Alexandria, Virginia today to shouts of "traitor" and "you're selling America out to the Russians."

Manafort pleaded not guilty to an 18-count indictment in the special counsel's Russia probe. https://t.co/EA2vgQoqVW pic.twitter.com/1Sbwpyzqql

— ABC News (@ABC) March 8, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 19:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

And separately, pfft.

As Trump finishes announcing that his tariffs plan will be "very flexible" and allow him to add and drop countries, Gen. Mattis (who argued for national security exemptions) and Wilbur Ross (who pushed new tariffs) clinked water glasses pic.twitter.com/lDLjsFIqQz

— Kevin Liptak (@Kevinliptakcnn) March 8, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 19:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

these motherfuckers

It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 March 2018 20:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

well i'm glad these decrepit fossils have unlocked their pinnacle moment of joy

omar little, Thursday, 8 March 2018 20:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

is there audio? did anyone gasp or shout "you fuckers" at them?

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Thursday, 8 March 2018 20:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

how do we know they're drinking water

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 March 2018 20:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXyb_F7VwAAbG4g.jpg:small

there she is

mookieproof, Thursday, 8 March 2018 20:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

oh lord

maura, Thursday, 8 March 2018 20:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

needs to be deprived of moral hazard of ink so so much. did i type oxygen? i meant ink.

Hunt3r, Thursday, 8 March 2018 20:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

lmao

"Your father Herman is looking down on you," Trump tells a worker who gave brief remarks. "He's very proud."

"He's still alive," the worker says.

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) March 8, 2018

Simon H., Thursday, 8 March 2018 21:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8tzXFagaso

maura, Thursday, 8 March 2018 21:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

One fucking unreviewed study, christ

JoeStork, Thursday, 8 March 2018 21:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

I got Mad Online about that study yesterday because it was clearly going to serve no purpose other than to provide ammo for local officials who would rather let the junkies die. Of course McCardle doesn’t say we should stop distributing Narcan, she’s just promoting the idea that it’s not worthwhile.

Also, McCardle suggests that people who repeatedly OD should be involuntarily detained, I thought she was a libertarian.

JoeStork, Thursday, 8 March 2018 21:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

is this finally the move that gets the GOP pissed at Trump?

Flake threatening legislation to reverse the tariffs. yeah good luck buddy.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 8 March 2018 21:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

You can never assume that the results of one study, however well done, are correct. But these results look pretty robust.

citation needed

mookieproof, Thursday, 8 March 2018 21:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

makes sense. if it's bad for their portfolios, and/or the bottom lines of their donors – they will get the fuck off their asses.

xpost

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 8 March 2018 21:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

"Steel is steel. You don't have steel, you don't have a country."

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 March 2018 22:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

Father of Parkland victim slams NRA videos:

"If this was put out by a terrorist organization, we would be raising the terror threat level in this country. Why are we letting this lobby have anything to do with DC? I don't understand it!" https://t.co/voYy9BhnvV pic.twitter.com/6fXW7qxVJx

— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) March 7, 2018

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 8 March 2018 22:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

And the much lighter note:

MEET THE ROCKET DOCKET: Manafort faces July trial in VA, ahead of DC trial set for Sept. Manafort's atty said he was envisioning a Nov. trial in VA. Judge retorted: 'U need to go back to the optometrist.' https://t.co/K9z15iI5yv

— Josh Gerstein (@joshgerstein) March 8, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 8 March 2018 22:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'm imagining the judge typing it into their phone and holding it up to Manafort's lawyer's face

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 8 March 2018 22:18 (eight months ago) Permalink

I thought of this immediately:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPAY2LsKVEw

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 March 2018 22:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

Key influence on US Steel policy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz2DknROaI8

earlnash, Thursday, 8 March 2018 23:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

is there audio? did anyone gasp or shout "you fuckers" at them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VrvhUU7Kok

Number None, Friday, 9 March 2018 00:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

so trump has agreed to meet kim jong un, "by May".

South Korea’s national security adviser, Chung Eui-yong (pictured above), said from the White House lawn Thursday that he had delivered a message to President Donald Trump, from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: Kim, Chung said, was “committed to denuclearization” and would like to meet the President.

Trump, Chung said after meeting with him, had agreed to meet Kim “by May.”

“I told President Trump that in our meeting, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un said he’s committed to denuclearization,” Chung said. “Kim pledged that North Korea will refrain from any further nuclear or missile tests.”

Chung continued: “He understands that the routine joint military exercises between the Republic of Korea and the United States must continue. And he expressed his eagerness to meet President Trump as soon as possible.”

forgive me if i'm pessimistic about this, but if you were kim jong un, wouldn't you have all the motivation to antagonize trump during the meeting and aggressively raise north korea's demands? that way, either a) trump capitulates because he wants to be seen as a dealmaker, or b) denuclearization negotiations break down, with everyone freaking out about a possible military reaction from trump?

i guess the other possibility is for north korea to agree to a deal of some sort, and then do something to nullify it a month later (again).

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 March 2018 01:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

i am seriously sort of already frightened for my life. might be a good weekend to go camping in the middle of nowhere.

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 March 2018 01:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

North Korea has been seeking a summit with an American president for more than twenty years. It has literally been a top foreign policy goal of Pyongyang since Kim Jong Il invited Bill Clinton. (1/3)

— Jeffrey Lewis (@ArmsControlWonk) March 9, 2018

Simon H., Friday, 9 March 2018 01:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

or trump could finally do something right?

the late great, Friday, 9 March 2018 01:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

i do think that's a possibility too! but i get uneasy rolling the dice when there's a 20% chance of complete disaster unfolding

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 March 2018 01:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

and i don't know how any sort of negotiation involving trump himself can be called anything but rolling the dice on this. he is legendarily dumb, brash, impulsive.

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 March 2018 01:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

I am 100% in favor of a summit that benefits north korea that doesn't end in a nuclear holocaust for anybody

Simon H., Friday, 9 March 2018 01:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

a holocaust would suck imo

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 9 March 2018 02:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

http://youtu.be/X_gwnFSFzv0

the late great, Friday, 9 March 2018 02:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

Our guy is probably going to get a polonium milkshake

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 9 March 2018 02:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

nuclear warfare means Liverpool won't win the Premiership

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 9 March 2018 02:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

reminds me of the summit between Rufus T Firefly and Ambassador Trentino

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 March 2018 03:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

remember that kim jong un’s brother was assassinated when two escorts one of whom was a woman in a shirt saying LOL smeared a substance containing vx on his face

maura, Friday, 9 March 2018 08:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

remember that kim jong un’s brother was assassinated when two escorts one of whom was a woman in a shirt saying LOL smeared a substance containing vx on his face

the really incredible part is that we aren't just constantly talking about this

Simon H., Friday, 9 March 2018 13:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

remember tho that the world ended on december 21 2012 and we've all been living in a simulation controlled by extremely bad satirists ever since, there's been a lot to talk about

I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 March 2018 13:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

wonder how the_donald is taking the whole "blame video games" thing

frogbs, Friday, 9 March 2018 16:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

video games are very bad bc they promote guns, which by the way are very good

— KT NELSON (@KrangTNelson) March 9, 2018

Simon H., Friday, 9 March 2018 16:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

oof

a gem from the replies

True fact: SWAT teams have stopped more Twitch streams than school shootings.

— Michael Kelley (@mike_kelley) March 9, 2018

I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 March 2018 16:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

and i don't know how any sort of negotiation involving trump himself can be called anything but rolling the dice on this. he is legendarily dumb, brash, impulsive.

― and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Thursday, March 8, 2018 5:54 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

btw regarding this, Trump is all of those things but i also think he gets extremely cowed by a lot of people in certain ways, or he's at least extremely willing to go along with their ideas. i assume California will be "East Korea" before summer.

omar little, Friday, 9 March 2018 16:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

'don't believe what the fake news media tells you, folks, juche is very good'

I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 9 March 2018 16:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

after being +1 on Rasmussen around a week ago, he's back to -10 there now.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 9 March 2018 17:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

'don't believe what the fake news media tells you, folks, juche is very good'

And look, he was able to do that. I think it's great. Maybe we'll have to give that a shot someday.

had (crüt), Friday, 9 March 2018 17:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

EXCLUSIVE: Trump lawyer Michael Cohn used Trump Org. email address while arranging deal with adult film star Stormy Daniels pic.twitter.com/0ksd4ph7BA

— MSNBC (@MSNBC) March 9, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 March 2018 17:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

EXCLUSIVE: Trump lawyer Michael Cohn paid Stormy Daniels in bills which were each individually signed by Donald Trump.

Wine Ape (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 March 2018 17:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

There's probably a bulging file in Trump's desk with 'DIRTY DEALS AND CROOKED PLANS' scrawled across the front of it.

Wine Ape (Old Lunch), Friday, 9 March 2018 17:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

Was listening to an exchange between an MSNBC person and stormys lawyer. Made the really good observation that stormy has her lawyer. And Trump's lawyer now has a lawyer. But there's really no client that Trump's lawyer was representing. It's a phantom client. Michael Cohen is pursuing all the stuff, and threatening to sue, and trying to push arbitration, to the benefit of a party as yet unnamed. I wonder who it could be?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 March 2018 17:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

I wonder if North Korea is in a sense just curious to see this freak show up close in person. Kind of like, okay, we've hung with Dennis Rodman, who else is on the list. Trump? Yeah what a weirdo, let's hang with him and see how it goes.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 March 2018 17:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

Maybe eventually they'll invite everyone who's ever shown up to a Comedy Central Roast.

Evan, Friday, 9 March 2018 18:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

Some Republican senator, Dean Heller, is claiming that Anthony Kennedy will retire this summer.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 9 March 2018 18:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

don't worry Tony, it's only the nation's fate

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 9 March 2018 18:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

ok maybe Pence otm re: Roe v Wade running out of time

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 9 March 2018 18:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

President Trump has already stated publicly that this is a negotiation, a meeting to achieve denuclearization. No one from North Korea has said that. Trump has said that. It is highly unlikely that North Korea will ever agree to that. That sets up high odds of embarrassment and disappointment. Given that President has shown very little inclination to be briefed or take advice, the odds are even greater. So will Trump agree to things he shouldn’t? Will he feel humiliated and react belligerently? It’s a highly unpredictable encounter with an inexperienced and petulant President who will reject almost all counsel. It sounds like North Korea has gotten a really big thing in exchange for very little and has no real incentive to do more than meet, bask, say generic things and not agree to anything. Trump looks like he’s getting played big time. I suspect we will learn that he didn’t consult with any advisors before agreeing to meet.

What does this all mean? As Churchill said, jaw, jaw, jaw is better than war, war, war. We have been on an extremely dangerous trajectory. There are no good solutions. There are probably no realistic paths to North Korea ceasing to be a nuclear power. But you could perhaps find agreements to limit the scope and reach of the nuclear and missile programs in place (perhaps even scale it back) with some mix of normalization and aid. But we start with an opening gambit in which Trump seems to be stumbling into something of a trap and being guided by his self-importance and vanity rather than any realistic appraisal of the situation.

Despite it being better than the alternative it’s starting in the worst way.


https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/thoughts-on-the-trump-kim-summit

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 March 2018 19:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

President Trump has already stated publicly that this is a negotiation, a meeting to achieve denuclearization. No one from North Korea has said that.

although fwiw,according to South Korea's NSA, North Korea DID say something like that:

South Korea’s national security adviser, Chung Eui-yong (pictured above), said from the White House lawn Thursday that he had delivered a message to President Donald Trump, from North Korean leader Kim Jong Un: Kim, Chung said, was “committed to denuclearization” and would like to meet the President. Trump, Chung said after meeting with him, had agreed to meet Kim “by May.”

“I told President Trump that in our meeting, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un said he’s committed to denuclearization,” Chung said. “Kim pledged that North Korea will refrain from any further nuclear or missile tests.”

but yeah, the likelihood of them backing down from obtaining a nuclear weapon now is about 0.0000001%, regardless of what they're saying. seems like everyone is getting played here.

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 March 2018 19:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

christ this man is so fucking dumb

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/03/trump-is-going-for-a-clean-reset

According to five Republicans close to the White House, Trump has diagnosed the problem as having the wrong team around him and is looking to replace his senior staff in the coming weeks. “Trump is going for a clean reset, but he needs to do it in a way that’s systemic so it doesn’t look like it’s chaos,” one Republican said.

They’ve counseled him to return to his 2016 campaign message. Another source said Trump has felt newfound validation after a CPAC straw poll last month showed him with a 93 percent approval rating. “He felt the crowd desiring more,” a Republican close to the White House said.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 9 March 2018 19:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

wait josh marshall has a hot take that relies on a reading of facts that's 180 degrees at odds with published statements? well hose me down and sell me to the mob

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 March 2018 19:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

Another source said Trump has felt newfound validation after a CPAC straw poll last month showed him with a 93 percent approval rating.

...he went to wharton, did very well there, very good school....

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Friday, 9 March 2018 19:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

Are they at odds? Marshall is arguably correct that "no one from North Korea has said" that (publicly). Rather, South Koreans have reported that North Koreans said so (privately). Am I calling the South Koreans liars? No, it's a bit more subtle than that - they may have shaded what was said in a fashion that makes repetition of a longstanding position sound like something new. Why would they do that? Because they would prefer not to have Trump start an idiotic war on their border. Why would the North Koreans fail to correct them? Because the South Korean mischaracterization helps enable them to get what they want - an image-fluffing toadyist visit from the leader of the free world, who they can then promptly tell to gfh by being more precise. Whether they will do so remains to be seen, but I'd say that the hopeful readings of this might be hotter takes than more 'realist' ones.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/03/08/north-korea-and-south-korea-snooker-trump/

Moo Vaughn, Friday, 9 March 2018 19:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

Trump, Chung said after meeting with him, had agreed to meet Kim “by May.”

My hot takes:

  • My hunch is that Kim is only playing at a willingness to denuclearize, so as to gain time to get his ICBM program up to the mark. Once he can prove he has nukes mounted on missiles that can reliably land in North America, all this nonsense about a "bloody nose strategy" will disappear and DPRK will be extremely secure from invasion or interference.
  • This move was diplomatically very smart. It puts pressure on the administration to confirm or deny the timeline DPRK has announced and obligates them to pursue a policy of negotiations, which they've already publically embraced. DPRK has never been shy about breaking off negotiations that have begun, or spinning them out for their own purposes.
We've been playing from a weak hand on this front for decades, pretending we can dictate or influence DPRK to our chosen ends, short of reopening the Korean War. These are just the final moves before DPRK has achieved the perfect stalemate they've always wanted. Talk about playing the "long game", these guys have it down pat.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 9 March 2018 20:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

I love how they think they have the cards

NEWS: Trump’s legal team may tell Mueller he can interview the president if, among other considerations, he agrees to a timeline for ending the Trump-related portion of the Russia probe—for example, 60 days from the date of the interview. W/@PeterWSJ https://t.co/oW1LoFuP2D

— Rebecca Ballhaus (@rebeccaballhaus) March 9, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

lol

marcos, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

so not gonna happen tbh

ian, Friday, 9 March 2018 20:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

president deals, you magnificent bastard

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 9 March 2018 20:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

he needs to do it in a way that’s systemic so it doesn’t look like it’s chaos

Wait I thought chaos was a feature not a bug...

I leprecan't even. (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 9 March 2018 20:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

"gfh" = go.. fuck a hog?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 March 2018 20:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

but point taken Moo

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 March 2018 20:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

Speaking about a series of recently lost policy fights — on gun reform, the tax bill, the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, and more — Warren told the annual gathering of progressive elected officials and advocates, “Just this week we lost the first round in the battle of a bad banking bill — a bill that would take the reins off of Wall Street’s most reckless actors and put as greater risk of another financial crisis. When I saw a handful of my Democratic colleagues vote for it, it felt like a stab in the heart. Not for me, but for all the homeowners who were cheated and all the taxpayers who bailed out those banks. That is wrong.”

While she was angry at Wall Street, she said, she felt most betrayed by her own colleagues. “It is so hard to fight against all the money and all the lobbying. It is so hard to fight when we fight and lose. It’s worse when some of our teammates don’t even show up for the fight,” she said.

While she started off with a nod to teachers mobilizing in West Virginia and Oklahoma, Warren spent most of her address describing how she got involved in politics — interviewing people experiencing bankruptcy for her first book, “As We Forgive Our Debtors: Bankruptcy and Consumer Credit in America,” released in 1989. What Warren learned through that process, she said, was that “this isn’t a story about economics. This is a story about power: about who has it and who doesn’t. In this relationship between lender and borrower, the lender has the power.”

https://theintercept.com/2018/03/09/elizabeth-warren-wall-street-bank-deregulation-bill/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 March 2018 20:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

“that, in the last week, Trump has confused North Korea with the other, extremely different South Korea, and demanded a laughably tiny $1 billion trade concession from China when he was supposed to demand $100 billion. ”

Outstanding

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 9 March 2018 21:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

What a difference four days and an intervention makes.

A stone-faced Sam Nunberg leaves his grand jury testimony and refuses to answer questions, shakes his head when asked for comment. He escapes to a waiting white car, which zooms away

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) March 9, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 9 March 2018 21:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

“that, in the last week, Trump has confused North Korea with the other, extremely different South Korea, and demanded a laughably tiny $1 billion trade concession from China when he was supposed to demand $100 billion. ”

Outstanding

― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, March 9, 2018 4:51 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Literally word for word except in billions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKKHSAE1gIs

Evan, Friday, 9 March 2018 22:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

Has anyone actually asked him *why* he paid $130K to Stormy?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 9 March 2018 23:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

Michael Avenatti, who provided the emails to ABC News, alleges that the use of Cohen’s Trump.org email further supports his position that Trump was aware of the payment to Daniels whose legal name is Stephanie Clifford.

"We're one step closer to demonstrating that the assertion by Cohen and the White House that President Trump knew nothing about this is ridiculous," Avenatti told ABC News’ Tom Llamas on Friday.

Cohen dismissed these allegations.

“Mr. Avenatti has clearly allowed his 15 minutes of fame to affect his ludicrous conclusions. The earth-shattering uncovered email between myself and the bank corroborates all my previous statements; which is I transferred money from one account at that bank into my LLC and then wired said funds to Ms. Clifford’s attorney in Beverly Hills, California. How Mr. Avenatti or the media at large believes this to be ‘breaking news’ is a mystery to me,” Cohen told ABC News.

When asked where the $130,000 sent to Daniels’ attorney came from, Cohen told ABC News “the funds were taken from my home equity line and transferred internally to my LLC account in the same bank.”

"I think this document seriously calls into question the prior representation of Mr. Cohen and the White House relating to the source of the monies paid to Ms. Clifford in an effort to silence her," Avenatti told NBC News, which first reported the use of the email. "We smell smoke."

When asked about this statement, Cohen responded: " “He should either evacuate the room he’s standing in or immediately seek the attention of an ENT doctor.”

omar little, Friday, 9 March 2018 23:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think the legal argument for Stormy is how can someone be a party to an agreement that they know nothing about?

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 10 March 2018 00:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

this guy cohen's a real philanthropist huh?

reminds me of when Eddie Murphy "gave a lift" to that hooker. just doing a solid.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 10 March 2018 00:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/one-night-with-stormy-daniels-the-hero-america-needs-w517692

"It was just weird to me, because I remember being on set years ago and we would hear him calling all the time – it was like a joke," Paige says. "She would put him on speakerphone and walk away and he'd still be talking." At the time, no one thought much about it, she says, because there wasn't much to it.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 10 March 2018 02:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

shockingly, it looks like mueller did not accept trump's deal to interview in exchange for closing the investigation within 60 days

President Trump is in discussions with a veteran Washington lawyer who represented Bill Clinton during the impeachment process about joining the White House to help deal with the special counsel inquiry, according to four people familiar with the matter.

The lawyer, Emmet T. Flood, met with Mr. Trump in the Oval Office this past week to discuss the possibility, according to the people. No final decision has been made, according to two of the people.

Should Mr. Flood come on board, the two people said, his main duties would be a day-to-day role helping the president navigate his dealings with the Justice Department.

Two people close to the president said that the overture to Mr. Flood did not indicate any new concerns about the inquiry. Still, it appears, at the least, to be an acknowledgment that the investigation is unlikely to end anytime soon.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/10/us/politics/trump-mueller-flood.html

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Saturday, 10 March 2018 21:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

looks like steve is making friends overseas

Marine Le Pen applauds Steve Bannon after his speech in front of the National Front’s party congress in Lille (screenshot) pic.twitter.com/pSugaQnh4b

— Mathieu von Rohr (@mathieuvonrohr) March 10, 2018

and in my opinionation, the sun is gonna surely shine♪♫ (Karl Malone), Sunday, 11 March 2018 00:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

bannon dressing up for the classy audience

droit au butt (Euler), Sunday, 11 March 2018 00:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

lol what a shithead

they certainly deserve each other

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 11 March 2018 00:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

I know a former journalism prof who looked like Le Pen

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 March 2018 00:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

Bannon jumping in Jerry Lewis' gallo-grave as unappreciated, multi-shirted crank

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 11 March 2018 00:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

funny clothes/liver but this is what he was saying

Bannon just told the crowd to let people call them racists. "Wear it as a badge of honor...because every day we get stronger, and they get weaker."

— Sarah Parnass (@WordsOfSarah) March 10, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 11 March 2018 01:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://apnews.com/350053edb0a34f3482f2b2f6022284be/The-Latest:-Trump-says-2020-slogan-is-'Keep-America-great!

President Donald Trump says he’s decided on a slogan for his 2020 re-election campaign.

Trump says if he runs again — which is “almost positive” — that he can’t use his “Make America Great Again” tag line. That’s because he’ll already have spent years in office.

Trump says his new slogan will be “Keep America great!” with an exclamation point.

lol

j., Sunday, 11 March 2018 01:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

dang mission accomplished already

droit au butt (Euler), Sunday, 11 March 2018 01:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

I doubted his abilities but I guess that's egg on my face.

Ape Wipes (Old Lunch), Sunday, 11 March 2018 02:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

KAG!!!!!!!

startled macropod (MatthewK), Sunday, 11 March 2018 02:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

#catswithfurballsforTrump

startled macropod (MatthewK), Sunday, 11 March 2018 02:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

Bannon confuses me. He talks to the FN in favor of French identitiarianism...which has what to do with American identitarianism?

The best I can tell is that he wants to de-globalize the world so that he & his cronies can loot the USA without global eyes paying attention.

droit au butt (Euler), Sunday, 11 March 2018 02:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://i.imgur.com/9sL7j0G.png

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 11 March 2018 02:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

Apparently the president is off script and went after "sleepy-eyed Chuck Todd" and called him "a son of a bitch."

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 March 2018 02:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think I may be stepping on DC's point, but we shouldn't rule out the possibility that this enormous racist doesn't like non-white people and sees their persecution as a positive goal independent of other concerns.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 11 March 2018 09:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

Some mild but potentially telling hilarity -- Trump venting this morning re: that Emmet Flood story, calling it false, etc; Haberman openly mocking the responses on Twitter, noting it's been widely confirmed, then adding this could just simply mean Flood turned him down. And if so and even he thinks it's a bad idea to get involved, then...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 11 March 2018 14:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

'make america greater', shurely - 'keep america great' suggests stasis dunnit?

I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 March 2018 09:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

he also suggested that the administration might just coast for the next two years because they've done so much winning already, so

just noticed tears shaped like florida. (sic), Monday, 12 March 2018 09:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

"Let's not make America too great" has a nice ring to it.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 12 March 2018 12:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

Apparently the president is off script and went after "sleepy-eyed Chuck Todd" and called him "a son of a bitch."

surely he's just trying to start a fiddling contest

President Keyes, Monday, 12 March 2018 14:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

the NYT danced around what he called Maxine Waters; I can't find anything but "a very low IQ individual"

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 March 2018 14:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

Disappointed that the Astros met w/Trump today.

...some of y'all too woke to function (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 12 March 2018 16:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

did he deport any of them?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 March 2018 16:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

i am so glad that trump doesn't seem to care about baseball whatsoever

Karl Malone, Monday, 12 March 2018 16:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

would be nice of Carlos Beltran and Carlos Correa hand delivered a personal 'fuck you' from the people of Puerto Rico

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 12 March 2018 16:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

is the thought that Trump might have said something more racially disparaging and the press isn't widely reporting it? all I heard was "low IQ individual" as well, which is not much less offensive granted

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 12 March 2018 16:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

nothing but respect for my MVP pic.twitter.com/3JyaaOA6nD

— Hannah Keyser (@HannahRKeyser) March 12, 2018

mookieproof, Monday, 12 March 2018 16:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

i can't recall the NYT's Aunt Tillie verbiage, it's hard to interpret their squeamishness

xp

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 March 2018 17:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

you don't often get the actual ideology of "objective, neutral" reporters so directly. they worship power, that's it https://t.co/SzdysWNpQO

— ryan cooper (@ryanlcooper) March 12, 2018

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 March 2018 17:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

I am just amazed at how well Daniels and her lawyer have finessed all this.

NEW: Stormy Daniels says she will pay back 30,000 to be able to talk about President Trump, and disclose any text messages, photos or video she may have. https://t.co/CpEpdHVsbk

— NBC News (@NBCNews) March 12, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 March 2018 17:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

she's savvy like J

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 March 2018 17:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

ean Harlow

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 March 2018 17:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

This is the America we deserve.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 12 March 2018 17:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

so it appears CNN is running with "DeVos looked like a dumbass on 60 Minutes". there was a teaser anyway.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 March 2018 18:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

this part was especially damning

60 minutes: have you seen the really bad schools? maybe try to figure out what they're doing?
rich unqualified asshole: i have not intentionally visited schools that are underperforming.
60 minutes: maybe you should!
rich unqualified asshole: maybe i should! yes.

Karl Malone, Monday, 12 March 2018 18:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

just don't be smug about betsy devos and her vast inheritance

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/is-liberal-smugness-to-blame-for-our-political-climate.html

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 12 March 2018 18:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

http://ew.com/tv/2018/01/18/colbert-trump-forbes-spanking/

Moo Vaughn, Monday, 12 March 2018 20:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/8/1747433/-New-details-about-Trump-s-visit-to-a-raunchy-Vegas-club-provide-hints-the-pee-pee-tape-might-be-real

my biggest question surrounding this is how at least 3 people at daily kos (assuming the writer, editor, and illustrator are three different people) all agreed to use the words "pee pee"

but yeah, it'll be interesting to see how much people on the right care about this. if they care enough to actually not vote for him, i mean. after the access hollywood experience i no longer trust myself to know how conservatives feel about this stuff.

Karl Malone, Monday, 12 March 2018 21:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

it'll be interesting to see how much people on the right care about this.

somewhere between "don't care at all" and "hell yeah, raw dogging porn stars is awesome, I wish I had his life"

frogbs, Monday, 12 March 2018 21:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah it's not interesting at all

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 March 2018 21:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

no offense, Karl! We know how they (won't) respond.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 12 March 2018 21:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

There was the instance in September when Trump told a crowd in Florida, “Melania really wanted to be with us,” as the first lady stood at his side.

lol, how did I forget about this

frogbs, Monday, 12 March 2018 21:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

President Trump has spoken twice in recent days with longtime CNBC commentator Larry Kudlow about succeeding Gary Cohn as the White House’s top economic adviser, according to three people familiar with the discussions who were not authorized to speak publicly.

— Robert Costa (@costareports) March 12, 2018

That's exactly what this White House needs - more frothing-at-the-mouth cokeheads.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 12 March 2018 22:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

I still don't get how that's going to work, Kudlow's been screaming for the past few days about how the tariffs are terrible.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 March 2018 22:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

does Trump even get that network on his TV

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 12 March 2018 22:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

just what trump needs, advice from the guy who wrote this in 2005:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2005/06/housing-bears-are-wrong-again-larry-kudlow/

Homebuilders led the stock parade this week with a fantastic 11 percent gain. This is a group that hedge funds and bubbleheads love to hate. All the bond bears have been dead wrong in predicting sky-high mortgage rates . So have all the bubbleheads who expect housing-price crashes in Las Vegas or Naples, Florida, to bring down the consumer, the rest of the economy, and the entire stock market.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 12 March 2018 23:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

is this his longest all caps tweet?

THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE HAS, AFTER A 14 MONTH LONG IN-DEPTH INVESTIGATION, FOUND NO EVIDENCE OF COLLUSION OR COORDINATION BETWEEN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN AND RUSSIA TO INFLUENCE THE 2016 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 13, 2018

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 00:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

many xposts no worries alfred, and i'm sure you're right - i need to stop giving them the benefit of the doubt on stuff like that. i don't know why i look to a hypocrite and expect them to change this far into the game.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 00:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

"in-depth investigation"

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 00:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

the house intel investigation is, of course, the most authoritative and respected of the multiple trump-related investigations.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 01:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

how many typos can you spot in the first sentence of the US house of representatives intelligence committee final report on "alleged" heavily-indebted kremlin puppet d. trump?

Following a more than yearlong, bipartisan investigation into Russia active measures targeting the 2016 U.S. election, the House Intelligence Committee has completed a draft report of 150+ pages, with 600+ citations.

https://www.scribd.com/document/373668853/House-Intelligence-Committee-closes-the-Russia-investigation#from_embed

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 03:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

That sounds similar to something that happened in Aus a few years back where Huawei were blocked from some big wifi chip deal here (defense tender maybe?) cos they were worried about nat security.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 04:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

good for my local economy, not sure about broader ramifications

the late great, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 04:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

going through old files, i found smeltitanddealtit.gif

https://i.imgur.com/juIg6cj.gif

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 04:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

ty. irl lol.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 04:18 (eight months ago) Permalink

:D

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 06:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

Fuck Kudlow, bring in Jim Cramer. Burn it all down.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 07:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

omfg karl XD

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 08:59 (eight months ago) Permalink

Well that was quick.

EXCLUSIVE: Trump ousts Tillerson, replaces him with Pompeo as secretary of state. Story with @AshleyRParker https://t.co/MhQAQqkMyk

— Philip Rucker (@PhilipRucker) March 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

Fuck, here comes Cotton to the CIA.

piper at the gates of d'awwww (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

That is very bad

piper at the gates of d'awwww (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

Apparently not:

BREAKING: President Trump says CIA chief Pompeo to become Sec. of State, thanks Tillerson for his service, and elevates Gina Haspel to top CIA post. https://t.co/JqlOHLpp1U pic.twitter.com/AnOuIgyCXZ

— CNBC Now (@CNBCnow) March 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

Now who Haspel is I don't know. Not a familiar name.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

Jessica Chastain will play her in the Trump biopic

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

no idea but i'll bet she's a fucking monster

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yup!

Some background on new CIA Director nominee Gina Haspel and her role overseeing the torture of 2 alleged terrorists at a black site in Thailand https://t.co/KNFRRkPW5w

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) March 13, 2018

Simon H., Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

She's a peach:

Haspel ran a "black site" CIA prison located in Thailand in 2002.[6][7] The site was codenamed "Cat’s Eye" and held suspected al Qaeda members Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri and Abu Zubaydah for a time. The Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA torture specifies that during their detention at the site they were waterboarded and interrogated using no longer authorized methods.[8][9] Declassified CIA cables specify that Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times in a month, was sleep deprived, kept in a "large box", had his head slammed against a wall and he lost his left eye. Zubaydah was deemed, by the CIA interrogators, to not be in possession of any useful intelligence.[10]

piper at the gates of d'awwww (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

is this because Tillerson came out against Russia for that spy who got poisoned in the UK?

papa don't take no meth (stevie), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

oh noes i hope she doesn't bring the cia into disrepute

I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

xpost Has to be said that that is NOT good timing in terms of public image, yes.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

Pretty sure it's because Tillerson called him a moron all those months ago

piper at the gates of d'awwww (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

FWIW

Tillerson knew he was fired before he made his comments about Putin yesterday

— Sam Stein (@samstein) March 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

a fucking moron, please xp

I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 12:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

Hmmm.

Another long-time Trump aide is out: John McEntee, an original Trumper among w Hope Hicks and Dan Scavino, was escorted out of the White House on Monday https://t.co/haIhsITOxp

— Michael C. Bender (@MichaelCBender) March 13, 2018

wow — McEntee is Trump’s personal aide https://t.co/01WGXjEMMW

— Philip Rucker (@PhilipRucker) March 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 13:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

he had the best hair of any of'em too!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 13:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

hey guess who has the worst take on Stormy Daniels

At what point does the non-stop "news" coverage of a porn star evolve from barely-relevant clickbait to indefensible abuse of the First Lady? Feels like we're there. @andersoncooper @60Minutes @CNN

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) March 11, 2018

frogbs, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 13:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

Eh, whatever. Back to McEntee -- that's an interesting story all right. Frogmarched out of the White House, allegedly something to do with his 'background.' Kelly's new security clearance policy? Leaking a lot? I kinda want to know more about all this. (Also have to wonder if he'd been on Mueller's radar at all.)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 13:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

Xp Has anyone asked him whether the whole Monica Lewinsky impeachment thing was indefensible abuse of the first lady?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 13:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

Per this and other posts, while Haspel should be looked at with a gimlet eye, they REALLY didn't want Cotton in there:

Many CIA officers will be celebrating this morning that Haspel and not the other rumored short-listers got the job. More on that later today.

— Shane Harris (@shaneharris) March 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 13:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

im too tired to be angry anymore

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 13:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

Hm hm hm

.@MichLKosinski reports Rex never talked to Trump about his firing. Senior official says of Red: “He’s unaware of the reason why the President wanted him out now.” Wow.

— Josh Rogin (@joshrogin) March 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 13:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

#rexit

mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 13:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

(Also have to wonder if he'd been on Mueller's radar at all.)

Staff/admin not on Mueller’s radar:

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 14:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

EX-EXXON TEXAN EXEC REX NEXT EX-SEC

— Benjy Sarlin (@BenjySarlin) March 13, 2018

I want to change my display name (dan m), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 14:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

(CNN) - President Donald Trump's longtime personal aide John McEntee was fired and escorted from the White House on Monday, three sources with knowledge of the matter told CNN.

Two sources said McEntee was pushed out because of issues with his security clearance, making him the latest aide to be forced out because of difficulties obtaining a permanent security clearance.

The Wall Street Journal first reported his exit.

Minutes later, the Trump campaign announced McEntee would be joining the reelection effort as a senior adviser for campaign operations.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 14:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

man was hoping they'd determined him a primary "leak" and dude was about to go ham

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 14:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

.@MichLKosinski reports Rex never talked to Trump about his firing. Senior official says of Red: “He’s unaware of the reason why the President wanted him out now.”

It's almost as if Trump's swaggering 'you're fired!' persona is nothing more than a wilting coward putting on a show for the cameras. Almost.

Ape Wipes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 14:17 (eight months ago) Permalink

I thought telling people that they were fired was his one proven skill.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 14:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

The new CIA director was a key part of the torture program and its illegal cover-up. Her name was on the Top Secret order demanding the destruction of tapes to prevent them being seen by Congress. Incredible. https://t.co/HjVHCPCbpo https://t.co/VamIGa1A8w

— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) March 13, 2018

Simon H., Tuesday, 13 March 2018 14:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

all too credible tbh

I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 14:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

So Pompeo will lead NK negotiations, fantastic.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 14:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

I assume that her opening salvo will be gouging out one of Kim Jong-Un's eyes.

Ape Wipes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 14:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

FTR, I'm much more in favor of a Trump cabinet composed of venal shitbags from the corporate and financial sectors than CIA torture-mongers. But then I guess that's why he's going in the direction he's going.

Ape Wipes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 14:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

Thread titles delivers - can the next one be called "Why do people set themselves on fire in the White House?"?

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 14:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'll be honestly shocked if we get through ??? years of a Trump administration without an Arpaio cabinet appointment.

Ape Wipes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 14:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

NEWS: Johnny McEntee was fired because he is currently under investigation by the Department of Homeland Security for serious financial crimes, a source familiar with his firing tells CNN.

This source says the charges are not Trump related.

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) March 13, 2018

mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

Can't wait for that confirmation hearing. xp

WilliamC, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

just the guy to put in charge of yr re-elec campaign

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

how many democrats will vote to approve haspel

mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

i'm going to say as many as 7

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

Feinstein led the charge to block her from a lower position at the CIA (head of clandestine ops) years ago. Hopefully she still feels the same way.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

Johnny McEntee was fired because he is currently under investigation by the Department of Homeland Security for serious financial crimes

So the issue isn't really that he was a problem in the White House, it's more that his expertise will be particularly relevant to advising Trump's re-election campaign.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp

FEINSTEIN says she is not yet a “no” on Haspel & wants to wait for confirmation hearings. Says she knows Haspel well and has had talks & dinners with her.

— Andrew Desiderio (@desiderioDC) March 13, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

oof, if even Feinstein is wavering, Haspel probably sails right through. especially since Haspel is apparently widely respected within the CIA. all the torture is handwaved away with "she was just doing her job".

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

so disgusting

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 15:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

lindsey graham: a profile in courage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEylWZU570A

I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

FTR, I'm much more in favor of a Trump cabinet composed of venal shitbags from the corporate and financial sectors than CIA torture-mongers. But then I guess that's why he's going in the direction he's going.
― Ape Wipes (Old Lunch), Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:41 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

These venal shitbags are not yet torture-mongers only because they have not yet had the chance. The lesser of two evils imo is the torture-mongers who are not *also* novice idiots.

motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

and after all, who wasn't torturing back then? we were ALL running our own CIA black-op sites, making up the rules on what constituted torture as we went, right? those were the days, weren't they

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

Probably right

The narrative of Trump unglued is not totally wrong but misses the reason why - he was terrified of the job the first six months, and now feels like he has a command of it.

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) March 13, 2018

People close to the White House say they expect more major personnel shifts this week. An effort to rip off the bandaid fast on a number of fronts is likely.

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) March 13, 2018

Again, confirming what Gabriel Sherman was saying the other week.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

Tony Blair and Gordon Brown's governments were certainly grateful to the CIA torturers, great bunch of lads.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

i didn't know about the close connection between Pompeo and the Koch Brothers until this morning, either. what a shitshow.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

BREAKING: Officials: White House fires top Tillerson aide who contradicted account of secretary of state's dismissal.

— The Associated Press (@AP) March 13, 2018

lol

mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

it also makes sense some of these shitheads are on the way out - they get penalized financially on their divestments if they serve less than a year after they join the administration

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

WH official says chief of staff John Kelly called Tillerson Friday and again on Saturday. Both calls to Tillerson, the official says, warned that Trump was about to take imminent action if he did not step aside. When Tillerson didn't act, Trump fired him.

— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) March 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

i didn't know about the close connection between Pompeo and the Koch Brothers until this morning, either. what a shitshow.

― Karl Malone, Tuesday, March 13, 2018 11:14 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

GOP congressman from the Koch wasteland formerly known as Kansas

piper at the gates of d'awwww (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

dark times indeed when sympathies default to oil exec

motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

xxxp thanks for that key financial fact that I was not aware of, makes sense

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:24 (eight months ago) Permalink

People close to the White House say they expect more major personnel shifts this week.

One thing you can count on is that anyone who would accept top jobs under Trump after seeing this administration in action is going to be worse than awful, like much-worse-than-Rick-Perry awful.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:36 (eight months ago) Permalink

I had to look up whether Rick Perry still worked there or whether he'd already moved on to Lucrative LobbyLand

Yep, he's still there

I wonder if Trump knows he's still there

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

Rick Perry doesn't know Rick Perry is there.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

rick perry has the good sense to be neither seen nor heard so

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

Ben Carson's in there too, somewhere

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

youcanalwaystellamilfordman.gif

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

oh yeah, i forgot - remember the "suicide pact" between Tillerson, Mattis, and Mnuchin? Tillerson got fired, so, uh....?

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

Mnuchin's fate is to wind up a background player on his wife's reality show.

omar little, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

Morale Low At State Department After Only Employee Fired https://t.co/83lq3P87zc pic.twitter.com/dxhehYwP3s

— Onion Politics (@OnionPolitics) March 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

An odd little detail

https://deadspin.com/uconn-trick-shot-qb-turned-trump-valet-fired-due-to-hom-1823731168

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp every time I see Mnuchin he seems nervously excited to be temporarily freed form bondage hood / human pony harness

motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 16:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

it's true though

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

*Treasury Department photo with wife + bills bills bills*

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

Morale Low At State Department After Only Employee Fired By Only Employee At White House

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

btw, good on Tillerson for not meekly stepping aside when 'warned' by Kelly and instead making Trump publically fire him without apparent cause.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

it'll look better once the trials begin

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

!!! 2:00 p.m. – Secretary of State Rex Tillerson will make an On-Camera Statement in the Press Briefing Room

— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) March 13, 2018

is trump in the right now? are we having a coup?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

ICE Spokesperson resigns, won't spread lies for Trump administration any longer
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/13/us/california-ice-spokesman-resigns.html

ian, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

trump in the *air right now, i should have said

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

The President and Mr. Cohen have purposely ignored our settlement offer, thus doubling down on their efforts to muzzle Ms. Clifford and prevent her from telling the American people what happened. Time to buckle up. #basta

— Michael Avenatti (@MichaelAvenatti) March 13, 2018

lookin a little Stormy outside today

frogbs, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

Best wishes to Secretary KILLERSON.... he SEVERED our nation well! Eeeh hahahaaaa!!! Now boy and ghouls, here's another bone-chilling announcement from the FRIGHT House press office!! https://t.co/3RkbP8Y5fp

— Official Centrism (@pareene) March 13, 2018

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 17:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

Tillerson will probably do the whole cordial “it was a pleasure to serve” thing.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

if anyone wants to watch, here's a stream:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMVAWPgXWqs

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

my hope that he's going to take a flamethrower to the administration is probably not going to be fulfilled

akm, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

cmon rex didn't you ever learn the importance of being punctual?

ian, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

Fredos Frodos and Fraudos all the way down still?

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:13 (eight months ago) Permalink

Trump asking for advice on Stormy Daniels situation. https://t.co/Ol1JXPGVzD

— US President News (@President) March 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

WOULD YOU LIKE TO BE SECRETARY OF STATE pic.twitter.com/0CouhAMXMJ

— James Felton (@JimMFelton) March 13, 2018

Simon H., Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:18 (eight months ago) Permalink

well that was underwhelming..

ian, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

More changes expected include a McMaster departure soon, as NBC recently reported. Among replacements, Tillerson had expressed concerns about working with Bolton.

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) March 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:22 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp: seemed like he was about to cry or have a stroke. Not sure which.

how's life, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

i imagine that he's pretty stoked to get back to making a ton of money at exxon again

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

“I hope Tillerson is sad because his ego is shattered and not because he believes with good reason that we are on the verge of World War III”-David Kilon

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

People close to John McEntee said problems related to online gambling and mishandling of his taxes prevented him from gaining the clearance necessary for the role as Trump's personal assistant. https://t.co/SNtxxdfi93

— Tim Hanrahan (@TimJHanrahan) March 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

was "No chaos, only great energy!" this month because damn that would've made a great thread title

frogbs, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah, that was last week.

how's life, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

damn. time flies

I knew this administration would be a total shit show but I was not expecting it to be this consistent. like every single week brings "infrastructure week" jokes

frogbs, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

An effort to rip off the bandaid fast

Huh. I thought Trump's main kink was pee.

I leprecan't even. (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 18:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

JUST IN: Schumer says at this point he is not calling in Democrats to oppose Pompeo and Haspel, but wants to hear from them first pic.twitter.com/mY0DSYHF7D

— Reuters Politics (@ReutersPolitics) March 13, 2018

ok I'm starting to think Chuck might not be the person for the job

frogbs, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

McEntee looks kinda like a young Charles Grodin.

burzum buddies (brownie), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

isn't that what leaders do -- wait for their subordinates to issue orders?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

Huh. I thought Trump's main kink was pee.

apparently he also enjoys BDSM

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/is-the-stormy-story-more-damaging-than-we-thought

can't wait for the spectacle of large portions of the left pretending to get worked up about common sexual practices while the party of hypocritical moralizing bible-thumpers look the other way

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

Schumer is the Fucking Worst

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think the calculation is that you spend your energy fighting other battles. Pompeo and Haspel are not wholly unqualified, like DeVos is; they are just the abhorrent norm among officials approved by the Republican right wing. Since they'll be confirmed anyway, Schumer's letting Democratic senators pick their battles.

It does undercut any unified message of principled opposition, but the Democrats have never been good at that sort of thing.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

Schumer held his caucus together impressively during last spring's confirmation hearings; I guess he figures he has other things on his mind.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

can't wait for the spectacle of large portions of the left pretending to get worked up about common sexual practices while the party of hypocritical moralizing bible-thumpers look the other way

― Karl Malone, Tuesday, March 13, 2018 7:14 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Can't wait for a vocal minority of the left to go on about how it's more important to respect the rights of the kink community than to play judo with the self-conception of uptight or mysoginistic trads in service of the effort to bring down one of the most significant threats to world lives or even civilization.

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:39 (eight months ago) Permalink

Never mind the potential legal significance of such facts to maybe the biggest criminal investigation in American history

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:40 (eight months ago) Permalink

www.moovaughn.org

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

oh fuck off. trads and evangelicals could not be clearer that they hired a manager and enforcer and don't give a fuck what he does or says. they will not be shamed by hypocrisy -- have they ever? in our history? it will in no way bring him down. getting church lady on this shit will do one thing only and that's laugh at other people's lives.

i'm still not convinced President Pence will be better. Trump's incoherence and energy for nothing but boodling is about as good as we can hope for from unified GOP government

goole, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp lol

motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

I didn't say anything about hypocrisy

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

I need no convincing that Pence will be worse. Still no reason to keep Trump. It wouldn't surprise me if Mueller's waiting for Dems to pick up the House so he can formally bring his charges.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

http://www.grubstreet.com/2018/03/trump-ordered-rex-tillerson-to-eat-caesar-salad.html

In a private room in China’s Great Hall of the People in November, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson sat with President Donald Trump and other U.S. officials as their hosts delivered plates of wilted Caesar salad.

Mr. Trump, in the midst of a five-country tour of Asia, grew concerned the untouched greens would offend the Chinese, according to people familiar with the matter. So he ordered Mr. Tillerson to start. “Rex,” he said, “eat the salad.”

, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

"..and then eat my salad. Because I'm not eating a salad. I'm the President."

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:52 (eight months ago) Permalink

Eat the Salad, My Ass (I Will Never Eat the Salad)

frogbs, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

.@shearm & @maggieNYT capture how Trump 2020 campaign is becoming dumping ground for ousted WH officials - https://t.co/tnUM5tEZA3

— Eliana Johnson (@elianayjohnson) March 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

And what I am saying is that it's fair and right and good and effective to tell the kind of trash that gets off on "lock her up" and "pocahontas" and "very strong"/"very rough" etc., whatever sort of religion they may or may not claim (and many are not religious at all, let alone 'evangelicals'), that their hero gets off on getting peed on or slapped by women, especially when the stakes are as high as they are.

Maybe a large segment of Trump superfans will come out as kinksters themselves and we'll see a new element introduced into his arena rallies, and more likely the vast majority will yes dismiss it all as "fake news" (which doesn't mean they won't believe it, they'll just choose as much as possible not to acknowledge or even think about it), but if you think it will have no effect, you're kidding yourself just as much the strawman you think believes it will bring him down.

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 19:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

Referring to the impact upon supporters in a vacuum also completely ignores the impact upon Trump himself.

Which may be significant - https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/26/us/politics/donald-trump-interviews.html

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

When Haberman or whoever says Trump aides "are shocked and dismayed" whom can she mean? Who's left?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

Stephen Millier, Scott Baio, taco bowl

motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

Sen. Feinstein, who led the Senate Intel torture report, has kind words for Trump's pick to be CIA director, Gina Haspel. "We've had a long personal talk," she said about the Bush-era programs. "Everything I know is that she has been a good deputy director of the CIA."

— Jeremy Herb (@jeremyherb) March 13, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

ignores the impact upon Trump himself.

beanbag sorta otm here

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:02 (eight months ago) Permalink

And what I am saying is that it's fair and right and good and effective to tell the kind of trash that gets off on "lock her up" and "pocahontas" and "very strong"/"very rough" that their hero gets off on getting peed on or slapped by women, especially when the stakes are as high as they are.

i'll guarantee you now, that is not going to be effective at all

I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yes, let me just defer to your expert overseas analysis.

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:08 (eight months ago) Permalink

Unless the impact on Trump is "causes him to resign," who cares? Has making Trump angry and confused ever resulted in something *positive*?

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think it's important to distinguish btw sexual moralizing, kink shaming, etc., and using/abusing/silencing and generally exploiting women for Trump Inc., and if in the process there is add'l damage to the contorted logic of evangelical Republicans that's all gravy

motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:10 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yes, let me just defer to your expert overseas analysis.

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, March 13, 2018 4:08 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is the guy with the travel/haircut advice, right?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:11 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yes, let me just defer to your expert overseas analysis.


thx that’s v kind

I’m 16 and a member of UKIP’s youth wing, young independence (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

there's no point talking small ball shit with you dude. the late obama and early trump years have completely erased my patience. build a movement that can beat back the right wing or i don't care. that's it. we desperately need a new birth of freedom: inviolable voting rights, a national health plan, zero-carbon infrastructure and an end to the militarization of american life. you make promises to improve the majority's material lives or you're going to lose -- and it won't even matter if you win

this desperate wishing for sex tapes or a claque of spooks, prosecutors and crankhead lawyers to save us and make everything normal again is just past pathetic at this point, into actively malignant. we are wasting the world's time chasing this shit around. it doesn't matter and it won't work. who gives a shit what "mikeibarb" thinks the president thinks? the country was a violent, rotting empire before the GOP was too hollowed out to resist a bigot gameshow host.

the most dangerous things he's doing -- provoking war with iran and n korea, wretched tax cuts, domestic terror via ICE, fanatics and privatizers overseeing exec dept's -- aren't out of the GOP or even Dem mainstream and would be happening at about the same rate no matter who was in office. we are abusively governed but trump matters only a fraction of that.

on just an aesthetic note, the idea of listening to josh marshall and joan walsh talking about kinky sex makes me want to join hezbollah, hi NSA, eat shit, peace

goole, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

There are many Trump supporters who are not 'evangelicals', real or fake, including but not limited to many 'working-class white' Northerners of no particular religious bent, starchy Main Street Republican WASPs, right-leaning catholics of various degrees of practice, modernity-trepidatious small-town followers, urbanity-trepidatious suburbanites, and the misogynistic 'alt-right'.

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

^^^bigtime xp 2 goole

gbx, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

"we desperately need a new birth of freedom: inviolable voting rights, a national health plan, zero-carbon infrastructure and an end to the militarization of american life. you make promises to improve the majority's material lives or you're going to lose "

The belief that the 'majority' of the American public connects all but one element from the list (and not a 'national health plan' precisely but inchoately-expressed improvements to the existing regime) to the improvement of their 'material lives' is about the most desperate, time-wasting shit I can imagine.

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

Like I don't know how to break this to you my dude but 90% of "'working-class white' Northerners of no particular religious bent, starchy Main Street Republican WASPs, right-leaning catholics of various degrees of practice, modernity-trepidatious small-town followers, urbanity-trepidatious suburbanites, and the misogynistic 'alt-right'" are high-fiving each other over the idea of boning a porn actress.

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:31 (eight months ago) Permalink

giantess, eh

RIDING GIANTESS

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

what's sfm?

how's life, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

how giant is she

she looks pretty tall

j., Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:34 (eight months ago) Permalink

the most dangerous things he's doing -- provoking war with iran and n korea, wretched tax cuts, domestic terror via ICE, fanatics and privatizers overseeing exec dept's -- aren't out of the GOP or even Dem mainstream and would be happening at about the same rate no matter who was in office. we are abusively governed but trump matters only a fraction of that.

Let us remember that Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio jerked off at night to all these things but could speak in semi-coherent English.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

There's a certain poetry in America's favorite new oil-producing state having "squirting" as its #1 search term.

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

“or even Dem mainstream” is a major reach. You probably want to walk that back. People thinking that is certainly a big part of how we ended up here.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

dems keep focusing on the hentai states at the expense of the cheerleader states

while my dirk gently weeps (symsymsym), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

what's sfm?

― how's life, Tuesday, March 13, 2018 3:34 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I...also don't know. Do I want to?

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

The Mueller investigation definitely won't bring Trump down because polls show people don't care about it that much right now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/15/how-america-viewed-the-watergate-scandal-as-it-was-unfolding/

Also, climate change definitely won't happen because polls show people don't care about it much right now either.

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:42 (eight months ago) Permalink

Like I don't know how to break this to you my dude but 90% of "'working-class white' Northerners of no particular religious bent, starchy Main Street Republican WASPs, right-leaning catholics of various degrees of practice, modernity-trepidatious small-town followers, urbanity-trepidatious suburbanites, and the misogynistic 'alt-right'" are high-fiving each other over the idea of boning a porn actress.

― Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, March 13, 2018 8:31 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Like I don't know how to break this to you my dude but I wasn't talking about "boning a porn actress" (that Trump supporters are all over twitter calling a "skank" and a "whore"), and many of the people referred to above are straight women.

Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

i think there IS voter traction in national-enquirer-level corruption stuff, not necc. sleaze but actual corruption, payoffs etc

that said goole is wildly otm

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp yes no men ever call the women they desire and can't have "skanks" and "whores" that is definitely a thing that has never happened in history

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah Hilary would have picked Gorsuch. Appointed Sessions, Threaten Nuclear war,torn up Iran agreement, meet w Bolton etc

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

and if you think that Stormy Daniels will be the tipping point for the 53% of white women who voted for Trump with all that was known before the election I have some very, very bad news for you

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:48 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yes Dems should definitely not pursue or bring up the “secretly paying a porn star” thing he’s still trying to hide that’s bad politics.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

wait, everyone is ironically speaking in the voice that they oppose

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

The truth is that if the President of the United States were to slip and tumble down the stairs of Air Force One, and his weird hair came undone, and he limped away and it was all shown on TV, his image would suffer, because that is embarrassing. Not because *everybody* doesn't slip and fall, but because he's the President of the United States. People's own sexual proclivities—or acceptance of those of others—have nothing at all to do with the advisability or ethics of shaming him for same.

This fucker and his ilk are impervious through a combination of good fortune and dirty deeds to a whole range of behavioral checks that the rest of us our not. This zero-sum idea that he shouldn't be picked off by any and every means necessary on some vague grounds of argumentative consistency is absurd. The house is on fire.

motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp It should be pursued by Dems to the extent that it impacts violations of Federal campaign laws, not to the extent that Trump likes to be humiliated by his side pieces in the bedroom.

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:55 (eight months ago) Permalink

Also can we please stop conflating kink-shaming or whatever w/ silencing the women he exploits for his beauty pageants etc.?

motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

There are many Trump supporters who are not 'evangelicals', real or fake, including but not limited to many 'working-class white' Northerners of no particular religious bent, starchy Main Street Republican WASPs, right-leaning catholics of various degrees of practice, modernity-trepidatious small-town followers, urbanity-trepidatious suburbanites, and the misogynistic 'alt-right'.

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, March 13, 2018 3:26 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

coulda just said 'whites'

NBA YoungBoy named Rocky Raccoon (m bison), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:56 (eight months ago) Permalink

Nothing bad will come to Trump over Stormy Daniels. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t scream about it, but we shouldn’t expect any consequences. This goes for the Russia stuff too. He’s going to get away with all of it. As long as he is white and republican, he’s bulletproof.

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

if some day many decades hence i can bring myself to see a silver lining in trump's presidency it will be that he provided an example of white privilege so bone-simple even a white man could understand it

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

The story that KM posted above that started this later conversation -- which you apparently didn't read, Nerdstrom -- contains no new information but this, which gabbneb apparently feels is important and should be what Democrats focus on:

In many ways, having sex with a porn star is on-brand for Donald Trump. He spent decades playing up a reputation as a billionaire playboy. These stories seem to have stirred discord in Trump’s marriage. They’re hard to square with his current role as the darling of conservative evangelicals. But they play to the tough guy, dominant and hyper-masculine image he likes to portray. He’s boasted for years about his purported sexual prowess and the Access Hollywood tape and the subsequent string of accusations of various kinds of sexual misconduct confirmed his role as a sexual predator.

But Daniels apparently says something different. I’m told that in her 60 Minutes interview with Anderson Cooper Daniels suggests that Trump, how to say this, likes it when women aren’t nice to him, treat him in perhaps denigrating ways.

Do you agree that that's what Democrats should focus on? Is that going to win them the House in November?

Millennial Whoop, wanna fight about it? (Phil D.), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 20:58 (eight months ago) Permalink

McCain slams Trump's CIA pick: She was involved in “one of darkest chapters in American history" https://t.co/dGRe9NUvqz pic.twitter.com/1Nh3qc9PZp

— The Hill (@thehill) March 13, 2018

mavericky

mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

Here's a one two

NEW: We got audio of Stormy Daniels talking about an affair with a wealthy celebrity that began in Nevada on a 2007 radio show. Details match up with her Trump lawsuit and multiple people at the interview say it was Trump. https://t.co/i6VfqACuHk

— andrew kaczynski🤔 (@KFILE) March 13, 2018

BUBBA THE LOVE SPONGE CLEM — who filmed Hulk Hogan sleeping with his wife in the tape published on Gawker and sued over by Charles Harder, who was paid by Trump supporter Peter Thiel and currently represents Melania Trump — accidentally got the scoop on Trump's affair with Stormy https://t.co/rOWFpxz779

— Gabrielle Bluestone (@g_bluestone) March 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:03 (eight months ago) Permalink

Yeah the Democrats are not going to base mid term races on kink shaming. This is like when people said “Democrats are ignoring healthcare and talking about Russia” but ignored that actual Dem politicians were talking about health care everyday.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

xp Phil, no *one thing* is going to win the House in November. That's why politics is depressing and not sexy.

motorpsycho nightmare winningham (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

so this means McCain is voting for her, right?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

oh of course

sleeve, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:06 (eight months ago) Permalink

and if you think that Stormy Daniels will be the tipping point for the 53% of white women who voted for Trump with all that was known before the election I have some very, very bad news for you

you really only need like 1% of them to peel away though

frogbs, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

"Very soon we’re going to Mars," the president boasts to troops. Then, as if at a campaign rally, takes a swipe at his former rival: " We wouldn't be going to Mars if my opponent won." pic.twitter.com/ip4YA3huLw

— Mark Knoller (@markknoller) March 13, 2018

also currently rambling about a hypothetical "space force" right now

frogbs, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

Trump: “We should have a new force called the Space Force. It’s like the Army and the Navy, but for space, because we’re spending a lot of money on space.” pic.twitter.com/p7YVX6gecz

— Christina Wilkie (@christinawilkie) March 13, 2018

thanks for clearing it up

frogbs, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:25 (eight months ago) Permalink

like the Army and the Navy, but for space

Can that be the motto?

jmm, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:26 (eight months ago) Permalink

The belief that the 'majority' of the American public connects all but one element from the list (and not a 'national health plan' precisely but inchoately-expressed improvements to the existing regime) to the improvement of their 'material lives' is about the most desperate, time-wasting shit I can imagine.

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, March 13, 2018 8:29 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you and nerdstorm ought get in on a podcast together, clueless moderates much less erudite than yall are raking it in

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

I have this strong feeling today that in the very near future

1) the AG is going to be fired

-and-

2) we're all gonna be reading presidential sexts

Buckle up!

— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) March 13, 2018

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/MassiveSomberAntipodesgreenparakeet-max-1mb.gif

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:27 (eight months ago) Permalink

http://hrwiki.org/w/images/5/53/sbemail126.png

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

WASHINGTON — President Trump, fresh off replacing his secretary of state and C.I.A. director, is considering firing his secretary of veterans affairs and installing Energy Secretary Rick Perry in the post, according to two people close to the White House.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/13/us/politics/trump-perry-shulkin-veterans-affairs.html

i have to say, at least perry is probably more qualified to oversee VA than DOE. baby steps.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

Hoos, goole said that Trump’s worse threats like you know...threatening nuclear war are “within the Democratic mainstream”. We can all just agree that that falls under the category of “getting carried away”. I guess we all still hungry for those dumb af “Decision 2016 Giant Meteor amirite lol” memes.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:33 (eight months ago) Permalink

Well yes that...huh?

Mike Conaway, the R running the House Russia probe, acknowledged that Russians were trying to “hurt” Clinton in 2016.

Just asked him what’s the difference between hurting Clinton and helping Trump, and he said: “Glass half full, glass half empty; you can pitch that either way”

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) March 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2018 21:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

oh god i just realized this tool (trump) is smack in the middle of my commute ... hope he takes the chopper out of miramar

the late great, Tuesday, 13 M