Our Style Is Wild And You Know You Can't Tame Us: GLOW on Netflix

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I am seven episodes in and loving every minute <3

it's fantastic

great thread title

:D thanks!

imo I enjoyed the early episodes but I felt like the show improved expontentially once Ruth found her character; it's like you know it's coming but it takes a while to get there.

I really love the casting of Brodus Clay & Carlito as Macchu Picchu's brothers, that whole backyard training scene + montage was terrific

i was discussing the show w/ my barber yesterday + she said she used to watch GLOW Saturday mornings when she was a kid

love the lucha underground cameos. johnny mundo in the first ep. in the ep i just saw the heel they see at the wrestling show is joey ryan.

yeah i looked up Joey because I thought i recognized him - i didn't catch johnny mundo tho

he's the trainer they get rid of really quickly. i had a hard time recognizing him since mundo is so full of vigor + personality and his char was pretty mellow.

i thought the trainer was John Morrison

lol duh nvm

This was really good. Only three episodes left to watch. For some reason I felt like this had a very Cheers-y vibe. Not just because Alison Brie does an extended Diane Chambers impression for the first half. Just something about the lovable loser-iness of it. Also Stacey and Dawn are clearly Cliff and Norm.

I'm so glad this thread is here, thank you VG

I totally didn't recognize Carlito until I started reading episode recaps

his triangle hair made me lol

I've yet to really get into this, partially because I watched the documentary first and it was so good. Watching the first episode of this felt like an inferior product, but I'm probably wrong

it's heavily fictionalized, so the real story is only the barest of a framework for the netflix show

it's almost better if you just watch it as fiction. kinda like orange is the new black: that had very little to do with the actual story of the actual woman who was in prison, and was just a jumping off point for all kinds of made up lols

This show has renewed my faith in Alison Brie bc I really liked her but I think her characters in Mad Men and Community were kinda underwritten so it wasn't clear how talented she really was but, maybe bc it's not made by men, in GLOW she's extraordinary & undeniable.

agree

I am not ashamed to say that I teared up when they played "Invincible" in the final ep <3

- I love how Debbie is so beaten down & sad in all the non-wrestling scenes but in the ring she radiates strength & confidence & beauty

- same with Ruth, she's weird & awkward & detached & doesnt fit anywhere and carries herself like a middle-schooler and then turns into this freaking POWER-BEACON as Zoya

- i love how the emotional beats of the story are economical, the actors sell the moments so well but nothing is overdone or melodramatic...it all feels earned & human

goddamn i love this show

Easily the best TV of the year so far. Alison Brie is phenomenal but it's a great ensemble and it manages to be uplifting without being mawkish. I Think VG says it better, though.

i wasn't sold on this until the sudden leap into fantasy at the end of ep one, but then i liked it enough that i watched it all in a week, which is more television than i watch in most months

highlight for me was maron's sad esprit d'escalier at his typewriter at the open of the third episode. at leasy humor-wise. a lot of the debbie-ruth interactions were just heartbreaking. betty gilpin phenomenally good, the scene at the wrestling match where her facial expression transitions from 'not feeling this' to 'gets it' to 'thirsty' just amazing

something about the show's register that bugged me. i kept expecting scenes to resolve with 'character embarrasses themselves' as the joke. then found their actions implausibly succeeding. particularly in the penultimate episode, the whole plot of that v wackety-schmackety-doo.

Started out very A League of their GLOWn. (I assume that's been invoked upthread?) but we were quickly sold, and I was surprised at both how much I liked or empathized with characters I thought I might hate (like the James Spader yuppie guy) and how impressed I was by the quality of the acting across the board.

If I were Netflix, I would start green-lighting as many shows set in the '80s as possible.

Good, otm writeup by Nussbaum: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/07/03/the-glitzy-verve-of-glow-and-claws

Arguments break out immediately, and they continue to roll through the show, even as we get the requisite training montages and behind-the-scenes drama: Is it O.K. to act out a crass stereotype if it makes you a star? How about if you get paid a ton? What if your performance is genuinely funny? Is it subversive—or cathartic, or even therapeutic—to expose the ugliest ways people see you? Or is that just an excuse you make because it’s better than being ignored?

Unlike other eighties-pastiche series, such as “Red Oaks” and even the terrific “Stranger Things,” “glow” feels like it’s set in the actual eighties, not a dream board of eighties movies

the yuppie is played by chris lowell, who played piz (the pitchfork intern to be) on VERONICA MARS

Ha. He looked to me like Nick Rhodes.

oh shit

PIZ

Was pretty interested in this but it's uh... super mediocre?

I thought I liked Alison Brie too but maybe I don't. Jesus.

*quietly slides out of thread*

a netflix original is super mediocre?

yeah idk thought the subject matter was pretty ripe

Binged all 10 eps in one sitting. LOVED IT! Much of what I loved has already been covered better in the thread, but I think maybe the most genius moment was Sam finding out 'Mothers and Lovers' had already been made with a bigger budget.

Unlike other eighties-pastiche series, such as “Red Oaks” and even the terrific “Stranger Things,” “glow” feels like it’s set in the actual eighties, not a dream board of eighties movies

This was not my feeling at all. There are even dumb jokes about Steve Gutenberg or whatever

I thought this show would be better, cuz he milieu is so fascinating and the characters are interesting and has good actors but it's just not working for me. I feel like it started to look at what makes wrestling interesting but then drops it...I feel like these characters probably would have been much more interested in wrestling than is depicted, like, they were passionate about it!

Also the lead character feels like a one dimensional joke on "serious actress" and not in a way that's funny or interesting. Also reminds me too much of piper from oitnb

The 80s-ness didn't seem overdone imo. Since at least half the show took place in a non-descript gray gym or in old-ass motel rooms, there wasn't a whole lot of period-specific scenery to deal with. (I thought Stranger Things was really good at this as well.)

Somebody wrote a thing at Pitchfork the other day about the music selections and how unique they were, and I gotta call bullshit on that. I LOVE most of the music that was used, but let's not pretend that Howard Jones and Journey took a whole lot of thought.

agree

music supervisor said he just leaned into the stuff he liked back then & didnt try to overthink it

GLOW is mostly about women figuring out who they are .. and wrestling

i think that you kinda have to be down with the first part to be able to enjoy the show

also, i'm not saying everyone has to like the show but imo it's well made & well written. any mediocrity is maybe viewer's own baggage rather than a failing of the show

Agree. I think if you just want to watch a bunch of characters thrown together, given almost no depth, you should probably be watching actual wrestling.

As someone who listens to Maron talk three hours a week, every week, I actually found myself using him as an anchor while I focused on learning about everyone else. There was a moment when I thought they were going to give characters flashbacks a la Orange Is The New Black, but it was really just Sheila doing the wolf thing. Maybe flashbacks help, maybe they don't. I feel like I know OITNB characters better than I do these women, but maybe learning about them more organically is okay.

i think that you kinda have to be down with the first part to be able to enjoy the show

also, i'm not saying everyone has to like the show but imo it's well made & well written. any mediocrity is maybe viewer's own baggage rather than a failing of the show

― Yoni Loves Chocha (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, July 1, 2017 9:34 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol... if you say so?

I can imagine that this show is more entertaining than pro wrestling itself, as most things on the face of the earth are.

mr veg hates wrestling more than almost anything (some of our worst arguments when we first got together were about my love for & his hateed of wrestling lol ) he totally dug it
to be fair, he was a fan of alison brie & maron already. but he also had zero expectations going in

if you come in wanting some deep exploration wrestling & wall to wall dope moves you will be disappointed is all i'm saying

but there are dope moves :D

I'm more interested in their relationship to the world of wrestling than seeing wall to wall wrestling fwiw

There is no relationship yet. They're a tiny operation that doesn't even get on television for the first time until the last sequence of the last episode, and even then it's only on a small cable channel between two strange shows.

yeah they might explore more of that in the next season

Really can't tell if i should bother w this or not. I def watched GLOW as a kid otoh I hated Stranger Things and netflix has yet to produce a really solid show imo

I didn't watch GLOW as a kid, but I thought the doc a few years ago was neat and I like Maron and Alison Brie and came to really like everyone else in it. Plus, the episodes are short, so you don't have much to lose.

I wanted to like this far more than I actually did. The acting is pretty good (Kate Nash excepted, who is dreadful) but every single plot beat is telegraphed way in advance so after 10 minutes you can tell exactly what the cliffhanger will be.

Maron and Brie are the standouts (and have a totally unresolved sexual tension in the one real surprise the series delivered, not putting them together at the end) and have some great lines.

As stated above, the 80s feels totally thrown at it (for example this is
summer 85 - Back To The Future has just been released - and Hair Metal didn't really become a thing until the autumn of 86 with the Bon Jovi reference specifically a year out; alternatively, the aerobics craze started in gyms in the late 70s - the ONJ single Physical was 81 and Jane Fonda at home was 82, both of them felt like death knells and it was gone in 83) which chimes with the music supervisor's quote above.

It was an entertaining enough dramedy and I'll watch the next season, but it's very much a tier 2 Netflix commission.

in the one real surprise the series delivered, not putting them together at the end

Maybe I'm a dummy and didn't pick up on some clues, but the real surprise of the series was when Sam finds out [redacted] is [redacted].

Sam and Ruth having an adult relationship that doesn't involve sex is the kind of thing that should happen in tv more imo.

Yes, and that's why it was surprising they went that way with Sam & Ruth.

Sam the [redacted] is completely trope-tastic and a mainstay of teen fiction. Telegraphed from the episode where [redacted] shows in-depth knowledge of his film history, but also by "how old are you?" in ep 1 and the fact that they're the only one that has a relationship outside of the main cast.

Mulder & Scully, Don & Joan, Leslie & Ron...these are all the most compelling type of tv relationship, so I'm looking forward to Sam & Ruth continuing the legacy.

Oh man, this Betty Gilpin-written piece is fucking fantastic:

http://www.glamour.com/story/glow-star-betty-gilpin-what-its-like-to-have-pea-sized-confidence-with-watermelon-sized-boobs

"runaway" was a minor hit in the us (and huge in NY, not sure about LA) in '84-'85

oh and by this time they were being managed by doc mcghee

anyway

Yeah, I definitely remember Runaway and In and Out of Love prior to Slippery When Wet, and I lived in bumfuck Alabama.

I defer to the American knowledge on Bon Jovi because they didn't make it abroad until SWW. I'm sure there's a Whitesnake ref too though, which isn't till 86/87.

Despite this I'm still not convinced that it was enough of a thing for a rich girl to decide it was going to define her life but it doesn't bug me enough to argue about.

Liking this but when there's nudity is sure is gratuitous.

The nudity is a loss leader like Best Buy putting cds at the front of the store. After you get in, there isn't any more (except for Maron's ass later on in the season).

Oh wait, I forgot about the Cherry/Keith scene later in the season, probably because that's married couple sex.

You're telling me that Cherry and Keith have sex TWICE? They really are married! (I already saw them doing it, I think episode 2 or 3.)

Some less glib thoughts:
Glad that we got to see a real show before the finale -- a real slow drip would've killed me.
Similarly, it was better that Debbie realized that wrestling == soap opera earlier than later, and Ruth embracing being a heel elevates the mood so much.
Do doubles do most of the wrestling in the wide shots? I can't imagine the producers being ok with their leads doing things to their bodies that will eventually require painkillers just to function normally.

Speaking of Keith, I loved when he would have conversations or say really encouraging things to the wrestlers while pretending to be angry for the crowd's benefit.

Yeah! That's hilar, reminds me of the pitcher's conferences in Bull Durham.

I had a really, really great time with this show. wouldn't be upset if there was never another season - I feel like this was perfection and am slightly afraid that more would dilute that somehow.

As with some other shows I love I wonder if I'd love it less if I watched more TV generally, and was comparing this to the other 3-5 shows in my current rotation. But I only watch maybe a handful of seasons of anything per year, so my bench for weighing these things may differ from some folks.

This year it's been, maybe all of The Blacklist (though maybe that was late last year) and Glow and that's it. For the rest of 2017 probably Season 4 of The Blacklist, Black Mirror Season 4, and Stranger Things Season 2 unless someone talks me into something else.

(Example: I've never watched OITNB, so I can't compare these two series.)

hey Veg, I'm sold, this show rules :-D

Really can't tell if i should bother w this or not. I def watched GLOW as a kid otoh I hated Stranger Things and netflix has yet to produce a really solid show imo

This is much better than Stranger Things. It has some problems and Brie doing Shelley Long can sometimes get a little exhausting, but it has a lot going for it. The 80s stuff can be pretty subtle, even when it is not subtle. At the least it feels like a real '80s world.

I will say, had they gone just a touch lighter on the sex and drugs (neither of which are in this so much that their absence would have really been felt) this would have been a great show to watch with my kids.

The idea that this is better than stranger things is crazy to me

stranger things was completely meh. bojack remains their best show but I am curious about this

This does a great job on empowerment and delivers unadulterated entertainment (a plot in the finale that you can tell coming miles away is still invigorating and satisfying and cathartic), but I think like real pro wrestling, it uses ethnic stereotypes shallowly, as an easy way to get cheap heat.

xpost Stranger Things was unfortunately little more than nudge-filled pastiche to me, all mood but no meat. I like the idea a lot, though, and the kids, just found the general plot pretty pro forma and unsatisfying. GLOW is more focused, imo, with a strong central fulcrum to pivot around. I feel like there is a lot more to learn about the characters and their relationships, to each other, to the world, to the sport, to whatever. I feel Stranger Things is a character dead end at this point, which means just introducing more non sequitur weird stuff and familiar sci-fi/horror scenarios. But hey, maybe the second season of ST will be awesome and the second season of GLOW a dud.

Both of them did a really good job of capturing the aesthetic/mood/character of a time/place in which many of us were present. That's the easy comparison. Dramatically, I don't see how they're easily comparable. ST was a weirdo loser pastiche indebted to period genre fiction, GLOW a meta soap opera with an overlay of contemporary feminism. I liked them a lot. Interestingly, some of the dialogue in GLOW seemed far too contemporary, whereas in ST it seemed hokily old-fashioned.

Because ST imo *didn't* do a good job of capturing the aesthetic/mood/character of a time/place, it recreated the way other works did that. Hence the pastiche, for better or for worse. GLOW is trying to recreate the era, not reference works from that era. (Which is ironic, since GLOW is literally recreating a work from its era.)

One of the best parts of Glow for me was how they come to terms with the stereotypical characters, work them out with shades of irony that're understood within the small self-contained group, and when they first perform them for the public the response is completely terrifying. The terrorist character in particular.

Stranger Things about on par with late X-Files.

The interview on WTF today with Kia Stevens is fantastic.

Fair nuff, Josh. My lived sense of the '80s was outer-suburb/rural, largely white, fantasy-tinged and wholly unsupervised. What Spielberg/Reiner/Columbus et al. captured about the '80s isn't – in spite of being strongly mannered – too wide of the mark Importantly, adults were weird, incidental, inconsistent strangers as likely to harm as hurt. ST, through the pastiche, captures that. Whereas, since I didn't have exposure to popular culture (no TV, movies, music), GLOW seems to me like it's signaling its era with pop-culture cues to which I didn't have access.

It's interesting, I was talking to a friend about the early '80s and how much of that period (music, film, etc.) was sort of still the aftershocks of the '70s. I was born in '75 and lived in California for the tail end of that decade. A bunch of "E.T" was filmed in Porter Ranch in the valley, which was right by Northridge, where I lived. So when I see "E.T.," one of the biggest ST references, I think late '70s, not early '80s, which is of course when "ET" was released. Whereas the "GLOW" milieu is to me very much the mid to late '80s - fashion, hair, music. Just my perspective.

Only two eps in, p enjoyable so far. Made me realize that Maron being an asshole plays to his limited abilities/appeal. Also this is v otm:

 Stranger Things was unfortunately little more than nudge-filled pastiche to me, all mood but no meat. I like the idea a lot, though, and the kids, just found the general plot pretty pro forma and unsatisfying. GLOW is more focused, imo, with a strong central fulcrum to pivot around. I feel like there is a lot more to learn about the characters and their relationships, to each other, to the world, to the sport, to whatever

I really like this show but its portrayal of blow is very inaccurate

How so? Sometimes amazing, mostly a bit it sad, doing it in secret bedrooms, seems like what I remember.

I really like this show but its portrayal of blow is very inaccurate

Marc brought his own history as a user to the role, so maybe it's different for everybody?

this was delightful

yeah JF maybe it's different for everyone.

it's not wholly inaccurate, just some aspects of announcing it via the show seem contrived, but it's in all fairness portrayed better than some media.

- saying this as someone who is very familiar with this shit drug

re coke - apparently maron decided that this was a guy who didnt fuck around with the paraphernalia - a bindle & key was a deliberate character choice

prob because that's how he was

What was especially weird about the coke stuff in this? Might have missed some it because I admittedly only caught about 75% as it was on in my house.

So far its been better than the coke stuff in Vinyl lol

that is a v low bar lol

I dont really expect much versimilitude w various drug experiences from tv tbh, as long as it isnt too ridiculous i will let a lot fly

Tangential, but oh my God as far as prestige cable period piece shows are concerned, the one on Showtime "I'm Dying Up Here" based on The Comedy Store in the 70s is abysmal and embarrassing. Never seen Vinyl but it seems to embody all the things I've read about it.

Which Maron has been pushed into saying not-totally-convincing nice-ish things about on his show because I think they're a sponsor.

Yeah, a friend of mine who has terrible taste in movies and tv loves it, so I took it as a heads up to stay far away. xp

I had hopes bc the pilot was somewhat engaging but it's fatally flawed being as how it's a show about comedy that's not funny.

this was consistently enjoyable, a few wrong notes here and there aside. the only remotely similar thing I can think of in terms of ensemble female-focused storytelling is OITNB, and this is definitely better than that, primarily because it's more focused. surprising amount of Mad Men people involved (and not just in the cast).

the only remotely similar thing I can think of in terms of ensemble female-focused storytelling is OITNB

Jenji exec-produces GLOW.

idk who that is

Jenji's the creator of Weeds/OITNB

well s/he's getting better I guess

Pauline's character bothered me a little bit, in that her (albeit infrequently) expressed opinions on film, feminism, punk etc. felt like they were flown in from the 90s more than the 80s. There were not a lot of feminist apologias for/reclamations of exploitation cinema in the early 80s for ex.

also this is miles better than Stranger Things, which is an empty pastiche about nothing with cardboard characters, whereas this is a show that touches on all kinds of themes and dynamics in unusual and unexplored ways.

Pauline's character

???

sorry I meant Justine

Justine's apologia is unique bc of her full story arc & who she is as a character

i dont think it's meant to be a stand-in for a wider feminist view - she's Obsessed with a capital O for... reasons

I admit that yeah it does seem to make more sense in retrospect than it does initially

I enjoyed this show, although a few of the wrestling-related details bothered me. I don't think a bunch of complete novices, most with no prior interest in wrestling, could be trained to a level of even near-competence in a short period by another actress with no wrestling experience, even with the help of another neophyte from a family of wrestlers. That was the one element that I thought was weirdly disrespectful of wrestling. It's so much harder than that.

The one other aspect that rang a little false was Steel Horse being so candid with Debbie about the inner workings of wrestling, using insider terms and so on. I'm under the impression that wrestlers were more tight-lipped about that in the mid-80s. But I actually don't know for sure. And it's possible that they would have made exceptions for women they wanted to sleep with.

I also wonder if a guy working that small of a show would really have had his own dressing room, even if he was a regional star.

Maron recently did an episode of WTF interviewing Chavo Guerrero Jr (he was the trainer for the show) and Kia Stevens who plays Tammee/Welfare Queen

if you are a fan of GLOW it's an awesome listen - Chavo talks a lot about his work with the show and teaching the actors the literal ropes. Plus he was a great wrestler in his own right, grew up in a wrestling family, his father Chavo Sr was a captial L legend and his cousin Eddie was the BUSINESS

and Kia's story is uh-MAZING - she was a social worker and applied for Tough Enough as a joke! and ended up being a superstar in Japan...and she talks about TNA and WWE and the tragedy in her life as well. but god, she is so cool and bubbly and just a really great, chatty interview.

It made me want to go watch the show all over again <3

oh and Kia was a fan Hollywood and Vine from the original GLOW as a kid <3

OH and Chavo Guerro's uncle Mando trained the original GLOW wrestlers. full circle!!

I'm done now I swear :)

It felt a bit weird how they had a quickly abandoned subplot where there was a flirtation with a storyline miscarriage that was crass and upsetting for a character that had really had one, and Kia Stevens was there in the ring having actually left WWE in real life after losing a baby

chavo is another lucha underground guy. lu recently did a deal w/ netflix which is why [almost?] all their seasons are available now to stream. i wonder if they hooked the GLOW producers up w/ them.

also this is miles better than Stranger Things, which is an empty pastiche about nothing with cardboard characters, whereas this is a show that touches on all kinds of themes and dynamics in unusual and unexplored ways.

― Οὖτις, Friday, July 7, 2017 1:16 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes yeah shakes we heard your terrible and obviously wrong hot takes on this show for far too long on the appropriate thread no need to relitigate your clueless ramblings here

Ok I just opened this thread at the right time to see the last post and I'm sure I missed a lot but Shakey way OTM, Stranger Things is weak as fuck and I support it being trumpeted until the end of time.

can we please officially declare a moratorium on Stranger Things itt now? this is like third time we've been around this merrygoround here

the only thing the two have in common is the 80's. you may as well reference how GLOW holds up against The Goldbergs

Yeah, my bad for continuing that briefly.

GLOW.

i rewatched the GLOW doc

i think I appreciate the netflix show, esp the writers & jenji, for taking the strengths of the doco (the women's camaraderie & backgrounds & characters) & pushing the aspirational & empowering aspect, instead of leaning into the gross sad shit like the legit creepy abusive director etc

like the netflix show celebrates GLOW in a way that it wasn't properly celebrated then, and explores things that 80's culture didnt reallt give much of a shit about, like female friendships & agency etc

like it's a slippery slope to undermine what they did bc of exploitation, drugs, abuse, general 80's gross permissivenes

that still all stands irl

but the show keeps you locked in on YES BUT THESE FKN WOMEN THO

and I really love that

because it feels like a good way to get ppl to look at the real women with more/new respect imo

Was it just me, or was this show relatively unusually keyed in to real women's bodies, too? Not just different shapes, sizes and colors, but mundane stuff like menstruation and old school science kit pregnancy tests? It's rare that tampons make an appearance in anything, save the opening of "Carrie."

that's what happens when you have a lot of women in the same place

Not on TV, apparently.

most writers rooms are still heavily male.

and not to judge but a lot of tv writers seem like the types who would be grossed out at even those maxi pad ads that use blue liquid as a period blood stand in.

No doubt! Precisely why I mentioned it at all. It's very rare that tampons make it into tampon ads, let alone TV shows or movies. The Kotex red dot campaign was radical.

the pregancy test scene was a trip, i had no idea they were so involved

They used to be! I feel like I read about the whole rigamarole in a YA book once.

i liked this show, especially the generosity and affection the show has for all its characters, it seems to love them for their weaknesses

I like how the only functional relationship is cherry+keith

yeah otm

She-Wolf is so awesome. I find the execution of authenticity of her character inspiring, totally resonate

yeah she's great

I laughed hard at Head Over Heels by TFF being synced with pizza delivery. It's a song that I find hard to divorce from Donnie Darko, but attaching it to slices transcends that

pizza dude had A+ hair imo

I enjoyed this. When's the 2nd season commissioning announcement?

announced 8/11.

just wrapped this up last night. the ultimate positive vibes show, with the right amount of bummer notes and none that were there for the sake of being a bummer. Alison Brie is pretty amazing but equally good is Betty Gilpin, if only for her astonishing reaction shots and facial expressions throughout. they should award them both Emmys right now.

and it felt like the right show to watch the past couple of weeks.

omg

:D

no wait

15 min ago i'm in line at a store and alison brie in full Zoya makeup is behind me. no story beyond that but it took me a minute to register and i'm still in a daze.

and it's just an amazing show, truly.

SERIOUS!? ok thats awesome

I was wondering why this awesome looking woman was dressed up for an '80s party and then I heard her say something to the clerk and i recognized her voice and I think my eyes turned into literal saucers.

omg

woah

I like the idea that Alison Brie goes to the shops dressed as Zoya.

I'd die if she'd denounced the capitalist system while reluctantly making her purchase.

omg

that would be a+

my wife loves the show so much, she has never been more jealous of a celeb sighting. Like I'm jealous of her mid-''90s lunch with Royal Trux.

http://www.businessinsider.com/alison-brie-exercises-netflix-glow-2017-6/#they-even-did-piggyback-rides-6

Damn girl!

betty gilpin 4 wonder woman imo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wwVOmTImfLA

:D

June 29 is so far away! (Sorry for the false alarm bump.)

oh man i think this is the only tv show i'm actually excited about.

yeah it’s v exciting

sometimes a watercooler show will be returning and even some of the ones i like start to feel like a chore, bc so many of them disappear up their own ass or they're grim "life is bad" type deals and this is just a good time.

my friend the other day was saying he's watched the whole thing twice but watched the final scene of season one half a dozen times.

I think that the art of delivering the warm fuzzies is kind of a lost art in the current tv landscape, which makes GLOW so refreshing and fun.

yeah i agree, it's at the point where people start to expect the worst or eagerly predict the feel-bad stuff. like when Justified was coming to a close (and that's an example of a pretty genial good-hearted show even at its darkest) so many people were assuming Raylan would be killed or everyone would die. or on Mad Men that Megan would get killed by the Manson family. so this really is refreshing. and the cast is really exceptionally good.

think that the art of delivering the warm fuzzies is kind of a lost art

You know what else is a lost art is the art of proofreading dangit.

art art art

I wonder if the "grim 'n gritty" phase is something that every maturing medium goes through (at which point it gets more critical attention).

love Glow also agree with the points about exhausting "gritty" TV....has anyone else watched Red Oaks on Prime? way different but has similar 80s setting and real warmth and affection for its characters

the push toward gritty is why i miss playing house and why i like kimmy schmidt

shoot even rizzoli and isles and izombie, even though they're primarily about death, have a lightness to them

("weird" (cough) how all these shows, glow included, focus on women........)

excited for this

oh there’s a treat in store for everyone

(removes bookmark)

have watched first ep of s2, peak happiness ensues

So damn fun. (Three episodes in.)

yeah this show is real good - the ensemble is fantastic and from the first three eps of s2 it seems like they’re each getting some screen time

i stand by my assertion upthread that betty gilpin would be a great wonder woman

betty gilpin is dope

yeah she has a lot of emotional ground to cover and she always nails it, she's fantastic

man episode 4 is amazing

betty is also drop dead gorgeous

enh i dunno if we wanna be objectifying the cast itt tbh

lol PC gone mad days, ok. my bad.

guess complimenting woman is .......wrong????

i mean..as soon as i made my comment originally i knew someone would correct me. but carry on, i'm out

why do you have to be such a fuckin dude

cuz i've broken my arm, sustained a concussion from a homeless person..and had a hard life>?

playing the pity card i know, but whatever.

three episodes in and this is great. time to cue up #4

suck it up broham; we’ve all been in the shit. don’t take four posts to be offended over being a troglodyte throwback.

Ok I love this show but one thing I just cannot let slide.

Stanfurd is not "one of the best schools in the country."

lol PC gone mad days, ok. my bad.

i never said 'durrr this lady makes me feel strange in my bathing suit area’

also i'm aware there are a fewer women posters than ever, and would like to see their presence more

but whatever

i mean, maura called me a troglodyte, little bit rude. Also inaccurate, I'm smart.

but i'm leaving this thread, cuz y'all gonna beat me down

🙄

I feel like Episode 4 of this season may be one of the realest so far - maybe their first "bottle" episode?

yeah, it’s a great showcase for gilpin and kia stevens

the amount of stunts the cast do own their own is really impressive - the liberty belle / welfare queen fight in that episode is awesome!

For whatever reason, this is making me think of Jaime Hernandez's "Whoa Nellie" series from some years back.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/61446.Love_and_Rockets_Vol_16

otm! I love that book

i’m gonna have the ‘don’t kidnap’ song from the miraculous episode 8 in my head for days

Fwiw back when "they're hot" type remarks weren't found offensive there were loads more female posters. Some of them even made such comments. Ilx turning into a hard left enclave may be counterproductive in this respect.

I'm finding it easier to just mostly stick to ILM tbh. Politics threads/etc. scare me off quick

hard left enclave? LOL seriously? because Maura rightfully checked Ross. watch my eyes roll allllllll the way around in their sockets. jfc

be better. move on. end of story.

well, i'm sorry anyway

I don't think calling someone stupid is fair though.

i didn’t call you stupid i called you uncouth and exist. there’s a difference. have a great day

*sexist

also lol “hard left”

anyway i finished the season and i really liked it

troglodyte is often used to denote "stupid" but yeah you have a good day. i enjoy your posts on ilm, so no hard feelings i hope

sorry to sow confusion

anyway this whole digression has a bit of irony to it but no spoilers yet

I need to catch up, might binge a few tonight hopefully :D

oh, my gosh - that episode 5 cold open

Last season was so intense/perfect that I didn't know if this show had new, more interesting places to go - but season 2 is killing it.

Watching the first ep of S2 now and they're in the mall, big "Blockbuster Video" logo on the wall.

Thought that seemed kind of early for Blockbuster to be a big chain video rental company, and I was right. They started in Dallas and they didn't really begin spreading like a virus until 1988-89.

lol

This show is fun and good but yeah its v fast and loose w period details

definitely. the “period details” are for atmosphere & feel rather than any kind of accuracy

as they say in The Castle, it’s just the vibe of the thing

Episode 8, you guys

episode 8 is chefkiss.jpg, i kinda want an entire season done that way

binged all 10 episodes now and s2 is a real triumph, i’d happily watch it all again - such a great balance of comedy and drama. and the wrestling is pretty good too!

poor bash’s storyline broke my heart :(

Couldn't stop watching and now I have no more episodes left! Finale is a million hoots and the ending is lovely.

Looking forward to reviving this up

Time magazine mostly rated this well but noted the secondary characters storylines were mostly too truncated and without depth. haven't watched it yet to determine that but sure this is a good season, quality show

ok i finished s2 and omg that was so great

finale was hilarious - staging was hilar

episode 8 is chefkiss.jpg, i kinda want an entire season done that way

^ this

the argument btw debbie & ruth in the hospital was so raw & great, i love how they both dig up all
the messy complicated emotions & express them so well

betty gilpin crushed it this season. her edgy manic exhaustion was awesome

overall just feel so uplifted & happy, the show just lights me up from within it sounds corny but it’s true!!! i love it. Gives me genuine delight to watch, makes me feel so many emotions with quality wrestling & laughs.

This fuckin show <3

excellent cameos in the beginning of ep10

Nice interview with Kia Stevens, who plays Tamme: https://www.theringer.com/tv/2018/7/3/17527216/kia-stevens-glow-season-two

So about her spotlight episode: it definitely addresses the racial stereotypes that's a part of wrestling (which IIRC the first season doesn't dig into), but doesn't really settle the issue for better or for worse (also a reflection of how wrestling works IRL).

*** SPOILERS START ***
What did seem anachronistic was how the crowd started turning on LB in favor of WQ, which kinda idealizes the reaction a rasslin audience might have to seeing someone being demeaned so badly. (At least AFAICR -- I don't remember any examples where a gimmick steps over a line so egregiously that the crowd reacts against it.)
*** END SPOILERS ***

Very few shows confer such joy, such glee - even when they're dark or unpleasant.

I'm a little nervous about what next season will bring, but this was wonderful.

It's a show that loves its characters; I'm not sure how to say what I'm trying to say.

If I had to single out any single character's storyline this season, it might be everything involving Justine; if I had to pick a favorite episode, it's probably a toss up between episode 4 or episode 8.

When I think through these seasons, though, and try to settle on a favorite MOMENT from the whole thing it comes down to: Bash just before he's going to be a ringside announcer for the first time (from S1E10). He's been waiting his whole damn life to do this and it's happening, finally.

Bash’s legit delight during every minute of the battle royale was one of my favorite things. The things they do to show you how much he loves wrestling really pay off.

And Raymond otm: while i find the stories are a little bit underwritten at times, the show’s love for the characters is unmistakeable and I dunno if I would trade that. It feels more, idk, nourishing? I hate that word but that’s what popped into my head.

This show is like the decent stuff in OITNB (multi ethnic ensemble female cast) x 10 and w out any of that show’s egregious baggage, just really enjoyable and occasionally genuinely moving. Kia tearing up after those “get a job” chants was too real.

Also tons of lolz

“Hello cameraman”
“Hello star-who’s-name-i-havent-bothered-to-learn”

The more I think about this the more I like it. There’s not really any false notes or wrong beats in the pacing or anything.

otm

my other favorite joke so far is wolf-woman describing Cheers as "a show about an invisible woman named Vera"

lol yeah I actually laughed out loud at that one when it registered.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/233b2c1c64491bd7af427d752c0d674c/tumblr_pbbbgx90Sr1vnflrjo1_500.jpg

also this because it's the best

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sorry this is the last one i promise

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https://78.media.tumblr.com/6d5ede312ed98e9c7951679e645a7926/tumblr_pb64ttruce1qbxa5so1_500.gif

So much love for this series. An underlying theme that culminated in the final show was how much better they got a selling the moves in the ring, culminating in Liberty Belle vs the Lumberjackson. I’m not sure if that was intentional or just as a result of the actors getting better at it going through the series but it seem right nonetheless.

lol I should rewatch the whole thing just to spot the reactions of people in the background

finished this over the weekend, couple things:

- was kinda bummed that there is a will they/won't they dynamic developing between Ruth and Sam.
- Bash's situation not being spelled out or given much exposition *because he has no one to talk to* makes his arc even more of a bummer

also (and this is minor, I will not mind if it is handwaved away) how does going to Vegas solve the IP ownership problem? Like, wouldn't the TV station will still be entitled to a cut (and, I would assume, control) over any production using those characters, even if it's not on TV...?

yeah bash’s story is so quietly devastating - he’s turned out to be a character of unexpected depth and pathos

not super-keen on the will-they-won’t-they ruth/sam angle either by one thing it does highlight is that marc maron has turned into a reasonable actor after the painfully amateurish performances of he first season of maron

I think they already handwaved it away, the tv network guy said "but you can do a live show!" (for some reason).

Don't see why they would need a tv director though.

I think the will they/won't they between Sam and Ruth exists solely in Sam's head.

Bash's situation not being spelled out or given much exposition *because he has no one to talk to*

Yeah, Glowbot was severely sidelined this season.

Almost done with season 2. I am totally in the minority here but I am only just starting to warm up to Betty Gilpin. I thought she was badly miscast at first. Maybe because of her sting in Masters of Sex. I dunno.

whaaaat

oh and also also

I did *not* recognize Annabella Sciorra ... until she opened her mouth. Love her in p much anything so her showing up was a great surprise.

I feel like they went out of their way to make her pretty unrecognizable too - big hair, bulky clothing etc.

I didn't realize Rosalie was Annabella Sciorra until just now. Definitely unrecognizable.

And what an unbelievably perfect episode/ending that was ("The Good Twin").

WHAT

holy shit, it is!

err, annabella sciorra I mean

they actually do kinda look like a plausible family

https://78.media.tumblr.com/dfc7592b9c45b0553f57c0bb78cb0e54/tumblr_p2gh2mPqJ51vnflrjo1_500.jpg

she also turns up in Luke Cage, apparently? Looking more like you might expect her to

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvelcinematicuniverse/images/4/4f/Rosalie_Carbone.png/revision/latest?cb=20180618124738

xpost Yeah, I am only now getting into Debbie's 80s soap opera/wooden vibe. The 80s were a weird time.

Glowbot was severely sidelined this season.

tbh I was dying @ Glowbot's "love sign" eyes in the background of the wedding ceremony

Avoided the thread til now, and hey it got weird. Ok anyway, just finished S2. Goddamned great show. All the more for being a program where empathy is extended to every single character in the cast, and there are zero villains (unless we count Glen and the TV exec), which is a refreshing change of pace.

And it would seem that the wrestling show within a show in which a multicultural, multiethnic cast was put together for cynical and exploitative reasons has allowed for this show to have such a cast in a way that’s completely positive and warm and open and beautiful.

Betty Gilpin remains one of the best at reaction shots that I’ve ever seen, one of my biggest laughs this season was during the radio show scene, with her extremely subtle reaction to when Brittanica said, “we’d marry all our fans if we could!” And that argument scene in the hospital, yeah that shit was raw. That was incredible.

Another big lol was the Griffith Park Observatory as the fortress where Liberty Belle’s daughter was being held captive.

finished season 2 last night. shoulda seen it coming but I still got a little choked up when Ruth finds out that she gets to fly in and take the bouquet. Allison Brie is so great and it's just a terrific character, a borderline-annoying overachiever who is lovable nonetheless. I also really enjoyed the unexpected way they handled her incipient love triangle with Russell and Sam. maybe her decision did seem to hang a little too squarely on her brief conversation with Justine's mom about trying to get past dating guys who ran hot and cold, but it was still not how I anticipated things were going to play out. I will say if I had one gripe it's that it seemed a little inauthentic how abruptly Sam went from being basically a huge dick to suddenly an all-around good dude.

"What's a mother without a child? Just...a person!"

We finally caught up with season 2, and while the first few episodes were kind of inconsequential, the characters were so well drawn that it's a joy to see things play out. Bash (the character and the actor) may be our favorite. Just a complicated dude, and it's harder to act dumb or for that matter act like a bad actor than it seems.

yeah, i really love bash - his happy-do-lucky dumbass rich-kid persona (which seems like it's half actually really him, half a very flimsy defence mechanism) really takes a beating this season and chris lowell does a great job of selling it

that's a lot of 'really's :(

I never knew Bash was/could be short for Sebastian. I had never heard it before but then watched Anne with an E after and they also have a character named Bash.

my favorite Bash moment was the whispered "we can afford TWO more injuries"

We have a neighbor kid named Sebastian who goes by Bash.

loved the show within a show episode. was thinking about starting a career in kidnapping, but now, thanks to GLOW, I know kidnapping is bad!

“When my son Randy was born, he looked just like me. It was surreal. Like, late at night, I would look down at this tiny bald version of myself screaming with my nipple in his mouth. And then sometimes I would wipe his balls and be like, “am I wiping my balls,” you know?”

<3

Finally watched this season, damn it was great. I love that NOBODY phones it in on this show, no matter how little they're given to do. And they tread such a careful line between being-the-thing and being-a-parody-of-the-thing, esp. when you see the "production values" of the show-within-a-show.

That Ruth/Debbie fight in the hospital . . . man, it actually felt *dangerous* to me, like few scenes that are just two characters yelling at each other can be. The whole time I was just internally screaming about how much worse it could get.

oh shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-gsppRWlb8

aw hell yeah

wish season 3 was coming sooner I could really use it right now

geena davis in season 3!!!!

oh god this will make my LIFE

hi!

Three episodes in, still great. Even though I don't care about Sam/Ruth, and I still don't know much about half the characters beyond "she got fired once and then came back".

Three episodes in myself, they're killing it.

went to start the new series, turned out we never finished the last two eps of S2

they were fun!

Wait is S3 out?

You're not too far behind. Just premiered Friday.

Just finished S3. They must feel really confident about getting a S4, because that would be an awful way to end a series.

it's S3 of a Netflix series, there's no possible way they were confident about it

There's a lot more (confidence in the) nudity, plus the 'we don't actually need to di any in-ring scenes' thing may count as confidence?

Yeah, the actual wrestling content this year was close to ZERO.

I found myself hoping for more in-ring stuff, and then they did the Christmas episode and that wasn't what I wanted at all. I guess the characters didn't have in-ring storylines this season, but I wish they would play up the weird kayfabe/irl relationship dualities that really occur in wrestling. That said, it's still a great show and I love it.

I heard that viewers watching a series through to completion is what matters most in getting a show renewed on Netflix, and since you can watch a whole season of GLOW in five hours, it probably scores quite well on that front.

It took me this long to work out that Rhonda is played by Kate Nash.

there's something v agreeable in the balance of this show, how no one's completely got their act together, nearly everyone's a bit of an arsehole occasionally but not too much of an arsehole, and the underlying strength of the group dynamic keeps kicking in. cld do with more wrestling but the switching episode was really fun, esp debbie as zoya. debbie was so much fun all round in this series, the character has blossomed and she stole the show

I lost interest in this halfway into S2

3 episodes in, am I imagining it or is there far more nudity this season? Feels a lot more gratuitous if not.

Seems like it, but I've never rewatched S1-S2 after inital viewings.

only got through ep 2 and am bummed they are apparently going the full-on Sam + Diane/will they-won't they? route :(

Diane + Coach more like :/

Stick with it - I don’t think it’s so clear cut as that. Still, I’m somehow really invested in their story. The characters’ flawedness plus their chemistry carries it and I find them quite sympathetic.

agree they're both compelling characters, but one of the things I liked best about this show was having their relationship at the center as one of platonic mutual respect/antagonism

this def picks up whenever it focuses on the intersection of the wrestling act w their real life. Awesome Kong's "All That Jazz" morning routine reference was nice, that was a good episode.

the ethnic studies/group bonding ep in the desert was... oy vey

this season is bumming me out

Yeah, the actual wrestling content this year was close to ZERO.

When the stories are focusing on the characters, this is fine, but it means the show falls over completely whenever they do go to the ring. e only see them wrestling when they change the show - swapping roles, playing A Christmas Carol - but the changes mean nothing to the TV viewer, since we haven't seen the regular show at all. The wrestlers have suddenly gone from wrestling a new story every week to performing the same piece eight times a week, and we have no idea how this affects any of them: their emotional journeys are completely disconnected from it.

Carmen FINALLY says she's dissatisfied, once, after performing it 2,900 times, but were most of the other non-pros instead happy to not have to develop their non-acting skills? Wasn't anyone frustrated that they'd spent a year learning to wrestle and getting better every week, only to throw that away? Wouldn't doing the exact same moves every week have greatly increased the chance of injury, to more than one of them? They take huge, recharging delight in the one night where they swap roles, but nobody has any other indication of boredom every other night of the year, and the delight doesn't lead to them trying to have fun - either for their sakes' or the audience's - by making any other changes or tweaks for another six months.

I still liked the season, but this was a really weird move, and sidelined one of the series' greatest strengths: being able to express the characters' personal and emotional struggles through metaphor that they generate themselves.

being able to express the characters' personal and emotional struggles through metaphor that they generate themselves.

yeah, jettisoning this approach was a really bad idea. I didn't like this season at all tbh.

also felt like all this focus on gay culture of the 80s kinda came out of nowhere and felt really shoehorned in. Like why did they bring in the whole drag performer/show thing?

The exception is Bash's storyline, which developed naturally from previous seasons and felt the most authentic and affecting.

If the series hadn't brought the drag performer in, Bash's storyline of AIDS panic --> realising closetedness would have felt hideously unbalanced and shoehorned. The drag character also let them interact with another Vegas performer, and compare and contrast a successful show with a more marginalised one.

But this also felt unbalanced since they don't interact with ANY other performers in the entire city, even the dancers from the other show *in the same casino* as theirs.

any thoughts on why Ruth turns down Debbie at the end? I didn't get that at all

I love these characters, and overall there was a lot to like about this season but it just felt so all over the place, almost manic with the number of plotlines they were juggling

not a huge fan of Maron but by god is he good in this

Makes total sense, she wants to act and Debbie came at her pretty hard about her not making it. She’s not without pride or stubbornness obviously and she just had a blast acting in the Xmas show. My sense is that Ruth is determined to be a serious actor but her true gift (and one of Brie’s gifts) is at comedy. She doesn’t recognize it yet even though Zoya is comedy. She thinks she’s slumming but she’s doing good work.

Good season, very different but in ways that held onto the core principles of the show. Lots of the stuff with regards to racism and feminism and sexuality couldn’t be avoided at this point so when it went serious it was a tonal shift but I thought it worked. I think in the year of our lord 2019 they felt they had to take on some stuff more directly.

Bobby was a good addition, he assisted Sheila is coming to terms with shit too. The character was likable and felt correct for the era.

The acting on the show is generally superb but I think Betty Gilpin is phenomenal. To stand out on a show with Alison Brie as your costar is no small feat.

I also think it’s good to recognize that this show is trying something vv different and it’s so not made for golden age of showrunner tv fanboys. I love that fact. I don’t doubt you all recognize that of course. This is the anti-MRA shit I crave.

yeah overall I love it, it's got a good heart

similar to Red Oaks in that respect

she wants to act and Debbie came at her pretty hard about her not making it. She’s not without pride or stubbornness obviously and she just had a blast acting in the Xmas show. My sense is that Ruth is determined to be a serious actor but her true gift (and one of Brie’s gifts) is at comedy. She doesn’t recognize it yet even though Zoya is comedy. She thinks she’s slumming but she’s doing good work.

huh yeah okay that makes sense. Agree that Gilpin is a real standout.

I love the turnaround on Tex. He was cool up until the very second he wasn't, and then she made him pay for it immediately.

As an aside, I really love that the 2010s have been Toby Huss's playground. I never would have expected when watching Pete & Pete that the guy who played Artie, the Strongest Man in the World would be turning in some excellent dramatic character work 25 years later.

I love the turnaround on Tex. He was cool up until the very second he wasn't, and then she made him pay for it immediately.

this whole thing seemed to very closely mirror Joan's fling in the last season of Mad Men

think Ruth was also really struck/inspired by Carmen going off to chase her big wrestling dream

She sees Carmen go for what she wants/is fulfilled by, AND she just missed out on a role she thought she was a shoo-in for (& had earned through Sam knowing how talented / what a hard worker she was, not through their intimacy), AND Debbie comes at her as a power play.

Debbie wants her for her directing skill, but frames it as Ruth being a failure who needs to settle, not that her passion for acting is what helps her tell stories in the ring and through cameras. Probably she could have been won by praise in the latter vein, or maybe by a promise of collaboration & equity, but Debbie’s framing underlines that Debbie is The Man - Ruth’s only way to resist capital’s oppression in that moment is to withhold her labour.

omar’s point abt comedy is also v relevant

this is otm too, love the way it happened so fast it’s basically off-screen:

He was cool up until the very second he wasn't, and then she made him pay for it immediately

I liked this a lot like I always do, but I also felt like it didn't get rolling until halfway through; and there were some weird things that just got dropped, like Cherry's debt to the casino. I suppose we're to assume she paid it off mud wrestling?

yeah there was just a lot going on

She mentioned at one point celebrating because she was debt-free (I think at the fundraiser event?)

Finally finished. I thought this season was pretty great, up until the last couple episodes, when it kinda fell apart. I didn't buy the Ruth/Sam stuff, and it gets negated in such a lame way when she doesn't get the movie part and they just sorta forget about it.

The stuff with Debbie was very strange this season. She REALLY screwed over her boyfriend, but she also screwed over Sandy doubly (pulling the money from Rhapsody AND having GLOW bail on the casino), which seemed like maybe setting up Debbie for a heel turn, I guess? They haven't done (afaict) a ton with using wrestling metaphors in their real lives (maybe I'm dense and there is a ton of this going on, but I haven't noticed it if so), so that could be interesting, but it was pretty sudden.

The saddest part of the season is poor Reggie the Viking. Everyone around her is having love interests and spilling about their traumatic pasts. Her thing is that she's pretty good at camping and hiking. The last scene where she announces "Redwood National Park, here I come!" was just painful, and borderline cruel to that actress after a season of nothing. I suppose the old biddy characters are in the same boat.

Also, we bought an OLED TV a few months ago, and godDAMN Netflix stuff looks incredible in HDR. Any scenes with neon lights look amazing, but really everything looks so beautiful in HDR.

old biddy characters are there for comic relief so they at least get that, the viking character gets literally *nothing* to do

Some of the characters or maybe actors are weak enough that I kind of would rather they be kept in the background since there are so many other better stories. I could've dealt with a lot less Melrose and Kate Nash this season.

Ruth's styling this season seemed weird. They make her look so sickly.

Finished last night, and this season never took off for me except for the role swap and camping episodes. I really missed the group camaraderie from the first two seasons, and the character interactions were so much more atomized and compartmentalized that the energy dragged a lot for me.

I definitely would've preferred more Tamme than Rhonda.

Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2019 season is nominated in the 2019 ILX TV poll:

ILX's Best Television of 2019 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends January 31

If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (4 minimum, 25 maximum, organized by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail by end of day today. It'll take five minutes; get to it!

Fuckin' canceled. >:(

Despite a final season being greenlit, Netflix pulled the plug. It ends where it ends.

Fuck.

Fuck that shit. That show was the best.

goddamn it

Like this just shows that Netflix doesn't know wtf it'd doing. Go ahead and greenlight another season of Stranger Things you fucking morons.

it's

They canned Teenage Bounty Hunters today too. I hadn't watched that, but people seemed to generally like it. All this on the heels of them canning I Am Not Okay With This, a show I LOVED, about a month ago. Meanwhile, just like network tv, there's a new "unscripted" series popping up on the platform every five hours.

https://i.gifer.com/hPx.gif

fuck u netflix ;_;

Between this and Dark Crystal, I second VG's sentiment.

Seems like Covid-related cancellations are big w/Netflix. Do they just not insure properly?

They canned Teenage Bounty Hunters today too. "

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this was the best show on Netflix in a long time by some margin IMO. Can't believe it. Someone should pick that up, it's extraordinary.