a new year, a new thread.
― j., Wednesday, 11 January 2017 03:34 (seven years ago) link
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/congress-artwork-animals-cops-congressional-black-caucus-gop-233409
Leadership, however, would like it removed through an official process: Longtime police chief David Reichert (R-Wash.) wrote a letter to the Architect of the Capitol arguing that the painting does not comply with the rules of the U.S. Congressional Art Competition and should be removed. Those rules point to House policies that prohibit “exhibits depicting subjects of contemporary political controversy or a sensationalistic or gruesome nature.”“While it is not the intent to censor any artwork, we do wish to avoid artwork that is potentially inappropriate for display in this highly traveled area leading to the Capitol,” the rules state.
“While it is not the intent to censor any artwork, we do wish to avoid artwork that is potentially inappropriate for display in this highly traveled area leading to the Capitol,” the rules state.
― j., Wednesday, 11 January 2017 03:37 (seven years ago) link
I fear it will be a very active thread. But I hope not.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 11 January 2017 03:38 (seven years ago) link
the painting, by a high-school student
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/clay-returns-controversial-painting-to-capitol-wall-another-republican-removes/article_005d92e8-20a3-513f-8e74-6457f650792f.html
http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/stltoday.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/e/ed/eeddf813-bb67-559b-8e44-0e10d6a5db13/5866f545458d9.image.jpg
― j., Wednesday, 11 January 2017 03:41 (seven years ago) link
intriguing: one of the judges (Pryor) has met with Trump, is a presumed Supreme Court short-lister.
A three-judge federal court panel has blocked Alabama from using in next year's elections 12 legislative districts challenged as unconstitutional by black political groups.
The districts are part of the district map drawn and approved by the Republican-led Alabama Legislature after the 2010 Census and were used in the 2014 election.
The judges ruled for the plaintiffs on 12 of the 36 districts in dispute and enjoined the state from using those district lines again.
The court ruled in favor of the state on the other 24 districts that were challenged.
All 140 seats in the Alabama Legislature will be up for election next year.
One of the three judges, U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson, issued a separate order dissenting, in part, from the other two judges, Circuit Judge Bill Pryor and Chief District Judge Keith Watkins.
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2017/01/federal_judges_rule_alabama_mu.html#incart_river_home
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 January 2017 01:32 (seven years ago) link
https://undark.org/article/race-science-razib-khan-racism/
For all of this, dismissing Khan as a crank would be a mistake. While his associations are extremist, his science is not, and very little of what he writes about human genetics falls outside the pale of ordinary scientific discourse. Khan is also not alone in bridging the worlds of scientific racism and mainstream science and science writing. The Times dropped Khan in 2015, less than a year after one of its own science journalists, Nicholas Wade, published a book that made more sustained, incendiary arguments about race, with far more blowback from scientists.Still, Khan’s career exemplifies the sometimes-murky line between mainstream science and scientific racism, and it illustrates how difficult it can be to define the boundaries between acceptable and unacceptable speech about race — and to understand what, if anything, science has to do with it.This issue isn’t going away. Researchers are getting better at quantifying minute differences among individuals and among groups, and their findings will almost certainly be used, as they have long been, by people willing to ascribe a sort of racial destiny to all manner of human virtues and faults. Most scientists will object to this application of their work, but the illiberal challenges to scientific scholarship, perhaps now more than ever, seem destined to come not just from creationists and neo-skinheads, but from self-styled hyper-rationalists, too — from people who adhere to what they consider a “science-first” worldview, who often ignore history and social context, and who are predisposed to drawing troubling, and sometimes patently racist conclusions based on otherwise dispassionate science.In other words, they’ll come from people who sound a lot like Razib Khan.
Still, Khan’s career exemplifies the sometimes-murky line between mainstream science and scientific racism, and it illustrates how difficult it can be to define the boundaries between acceptable and unacceptable speech about race — and to understand what, if anything, science has to do with it.
This issue isn’t going away. Researchers are getting better at quantifying minute differences among individuals and among groups, and their findings will almost certainly be used, as they have long been, by people willing to ascribe a sort of racial destiny to all manner of human virtues and faults. Most scientists will object to this application of their work, but the illiberal challenges to scientific scholarship, perhaps now more than ever, seem destined to come not just from creationists and neo-skinheads, but from self-styled hyper-rationalists, too — from people who adhere to what they consider a “science-first” worldview, who often ignore history and social context, and who are predisposed to drawing troubling, and sometimes patently racist conclusions based on otherwise dispassionate science.
In other words, they’ll come from people who sound a lot like Razib Khan.
just started this
― k3vin k., Thursday, 2 March 2017 20:28 (seven years ago) link
http://www.theroot.com/this-rachel-dolezal-tea-about-the-oppression-of-darth-b-1792903639
I can't believe this is still going on
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Friday, 3 March 2017 14:28 (seven years ago) link
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mike-bost-town-halls-are-like-being-yelled-at-by-orientals?utm_content=bufferff515&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
so far, this is my favorite reaction:
http://fusion.net/story/389904/mike-bost-orientals-comment/
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Friday, 3 March 2017 15:00 (seven years ago) link
Dolezal's latest move not getting the love it deserves. We are literally two press cycles away from her rap album if we play our cards right
― though the tempest rages, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 3 March 2017 23:32 (seven years ago) link
she's a ridiculous person but I feel sort of bad for her tbh
― Οὖτις, Friday, 3 March 2017 23:35 (seven years ago) link
same
― k3vin k., Friday, 3 March 2017 23:46 (seven years ago) link
wow.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/11/us/michael-brown-ferguson-police-shooting-video.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqmnyD8dri8
In the two and a half years since Michael Brown, a black 18-year-old, was shot and killed by a white police officer in Ferguson, Mo., the explosive case has been parsed in intricate detail. Witnesses offered varying descriptions of the fatal encounter. Investigators examined bloodstain evidence on the street where Mr. Brown died. And the police released a security video from a nearby store that showed Mr. Brown pushing a worker and taking cigarillos minutes before the shooting.But a second, previously unreported video from that same convenience store included in a new documentary is raising new questions about what happened in the hours before the shooting on Aug. 9, 2014.The footage shows Mr. Brown entering the store, Ferguson Market and Liquor, shortly after 1 a.m. on the day he died. He approaches the counter, hands over an item that appears to be a small bag and takes a shopping sack filled with cigarillos. Mr. Brown is shown walking toward the door with the sack, then turning around and handing the cigarillos back across the counter before exiting.Jason Pollock, a documentary filmmaker who acquired the new tape, says the footage challenges the police narrative that Mr. Brown committed a strong-armed robbery when he returned to the store around noon that day. Instead, Mr. Pollock believes that the new video shows Mr. Brown giving a small bag of marijuana to store employees and receiving cigarillos in return as part of a negotiated deal. Mr. Pollock said Mr. Brown left the cigarillos behind the counter for safekeeping.
But a second, previously unreported video from that same convenience store included in a new documentary is raising new questions about what happened in the hours before the shooting on Aug. 9, 2014.
The footage shows Mr. Brown entering the store, Ferguson Market and Liquor, shortly after 1 a.m. on the day he died. He approaches the counter, hands over an item that appears to be a small bag and takes a shopping sack filled with cigarillos. Mr. Brown is shown walking toward the door with the sack, then turning around and handing the cigarillos back across the counter before exiting.
Jason Pollock, a documentary filmmaker who acquired the new tape, says the footage challenges the police narrative that Mr. Brown committed a strong-armed robbery when he returned to the store around noon that day. Instead, Mr. Pollock believes that the new video shows Mr. Brown giving a small bag of marijuana to store employees and receiving cigarillos in return as part of a negotiated deal. Mr. Pollock said Mr. Brown left the cigarillos behind the counter for safekeeping.
― Karl Malone, Monday, 13 March 2017 03:47 (seven years ago) link
Thought this was interesting:
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2017/03/stock-photography-white-supremacists
I grew up on all-white catalogs. When I look at photos of my daughter's class, or candid shots from the birthday parties for her and her friends, I think "lol Benetton" because some part of me knows this is exceptional and old ad campaigns are my reference.
Do other folks look at all-white catalog spreads or stock photos and think "oh goodness, what a sad throwback?" I know the answer, I guess. They want to be in that catalog, when Reagan was king, or whatever.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 13 March 2017 19:36 (seven years ago) link
It's weird because many of those remind me of stock photos you'd see in hippie health food stores from the 70s/80s.
― pplains, Monday, 13 March 2017 21:04 (seven years ago) link
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/opinions/samuel-jackson-british-american-actors-tensley-opinion/index.html
This opinion piece is dumb as hell.
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 19:06 (seven years ago) link
http://true-to-you.net/morrissey_news_170315_01
https://i.imgur.com/l90x52A.jpg
um
― 龜, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 21:58 (seven years ago) link
im dead
― Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 22:02 (seven years ago) link
That seems a little strange.
― pandemic, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 22:11 (seven years ago) link
i always thought he was talking about the color
― Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 22:35 (seven years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/mar/18/my-mum-always-told-me-i-was-white-like-her-now-i-know-the-truth
― j., Saturday, 18 March 2017 22:33 (seven years ago) link
Jfc
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/post-nation/wp/2017/03/19/a-california-waiter-refused-to-serve-4-latina-women-until-he-saw-proof-of-residency/
― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Sunday, 19 March 2017 16:09 (seven years ago) link
https://medium.com/@thedididelgado/whites-only-the-caucasian-invasion-of-racial-justice-spaces-7e2529ec8314
This piece is massively undercut by the author's need to tell jokes and I don't think she supports her thesis well but I can't deny that I have been looking askance at SURJ since I first heard about it. It's interesting to see UU churches mentioned as part of the lineage of problematic allies she's identifying because my wife and I sing at a UU church and my wife, after becoming a member, was recruited heavily to serve on the vestry committee and to help them define the focus of the church's social justice mission. The lead pastor is a white woman who was a former lawyer before seminary who is adamant about both bringing in more young people and more diversity to the church. There have been some bumps along the way but the group as a whole is definitely committed to doing The Right Thing in The Right Way;
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 3 April 2017 15:05 (six years ago) link
lol I guess I didn't finish that thought:
I would like to watch a conversation between this woman and my wife in the context of what our church is trying to do.
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Monday, 3 April 2017 15:15 (six years ago) link
gg Nivea: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39489967
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:40 (six years ago) link
who in the HELL could have possibly greenlit that?
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:42 (six years ago) link
I'm gonna go with "someone who most would consider white and/or is not a native English speaker"
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:47 (six years ago) link
Could quite easily be a Middle East marketing team not thinking through the racial aspect, tbh.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 14:54 (six years ago) link
I wrote a thing yesterday and then got called away to do work at my work and when I came back it had logged me out and I lost it.
I also would love to see more discussion of white allies' role(s) and maybe working towards some best practices pointers. I really don't think that people of color who are giving their time and energy to do social justice work & anti-racism organizing want to spend their time holding white people's hands and listening to us blunder through entry-level lessons we need to learn. I do think that some kind of white ally-supported effort is healthy and good and keeps the workload off of Black leadership. The *accountability* to Black leadership is the crucial thing, I think.
I have also seen where a person of color presents themselves as a leader and can convince the SURJ or other white allies to gather around them, but they themselves might not be accountable to any other POC in the movement, and their politics or message or personal priorities may be a problem. In that case it's a delicate negotiation for everyone, and it can pull apart a new or developing group, or make it hard for other partners to see them in a positive way.
― the world's little sunbeam (in orbit), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:43 (six years ago) link
To add: I saw that happen precisely once. It did put me off joining that group though.
I'm in a small group of white ppl that belong to a community organization near my home that is Black-led. We're working on ways to support the org and train prospective white members to understand that we put ourselves under Black leadership and what an intersectional and anti-gentrification approach looks like in social justice circles. It's a long and slow conversation.
― the world's little sunbeam (in orbit), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:57 (six years ago) link
speaking of SURJ:
Whites Only: SURJ and the Caucasian Invasion of Racial Justice Spaces
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 April 2017 15:57 (six years ago) link
Apparently the author of that article is based in Boston so I could totally get that conversation to happen. Hmm...
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:03 (six years ago) link
okay I just clicked on Karl's link and lol
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 4 April 2017 16:05 (six years ago) link
https://www.propublica.org/article/minority-neighborhoods-higher-car-insurance-premiums-white-areas-same-risk
How do we even fight these subtle, insidious forms of racism that it's hard to even know about?
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 13:25 (six years ago) link
My wife gets slammed by that car insurance thing. Of course, it doesn't help that we live in NJ, one of the most expensive states for car insurance, period.
Why is Montana so expensive? Insurance against having your car rammed by a buffalo?
― Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 13:45 (six years ago) link
no speed limits in Montana?
― example (crüt), Wednesday, 5 April 2017 13:47 (six years ago) link
http://www.vulture.com/2017/04/pepsi-pulls-protest-themed-kendall-jenner-ad-after-backlash.html
The whole Kendall Jenner Pepsi ad debacle continues to be hilarious.
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Thursday, 6 April 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
on the good side, i'd never seen that Chemical Brothers video before and it rules in so many ways
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 6 April 2017 18:17 (six years ago) link
I don't think this belongs on the Trump / politics threads
https://nyti.ms/2ob5rzu
The reactions have not all been supportive. The mayor said that the Beristains’ eighth- and ninth-grade daughters were on “the receiving end of some ugliness at their school.” He added that there had been some negative responses from people online, who have said that Mr. Beristain does not have an excuse because he had years to try and become a citizen.
Live up to your end of my fucking oath just once in a blood moon you dumb, depressing fucks.
― The Jams Manager (1992, Brickster) (El Tomboto), Saturday, 8 April 2017 02:42 (six years ago) link
I grew up near here (and my dad continues to live nearby) and can't recall there ever being a protest there about anything, much less something like BLM: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/04/10/she-wanted-to-criticize-black-lives-matter-in-a-college-speech-a-protest-shut-her-down/?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.f99b84d44721
― Οὖτις, Monday, 10 April 2017 16:34 (six years ago) link
that article is deeply uninformed at best
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 April 2017 18:21 (six years ago) link
things like surj are sort of a direct result of years of arguments exactly like those the article makes, and people trying to conduct themselves according to those arguments. i think the fact that doing that leads to exactly the same criticisms (which even if they don't hang together stem for geniune anxieties and concerns about broader society and the possibilities for leadership and change) points to a sort of no-win situation for that standpoint, and generally the idea that who groups are "accountable" to is a distinct and important question as opposed to "what do they directly do, and what purpose does it serve".
― the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 20:33 (six years ago) link
White Floriday state senator, in talking to two black Florida state senators, refers to six other white Florida senators as "niggers", claims it's okay because he meant "niggas" which is a completely different word:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/04/19/after-using-n-word-in-front-of-black-colleagues-fla-state-senator-faces-calls-to-resign/?utm_term=.7228d09ad0ae
my primary reaction to this is "lol"
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:40 (six years ago) link
in conclusion: hip-hop is dangerous in the wrong hands
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:41 (six years ago) link
the wite hands
― bought 2 raris, went to chili's (crüt), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 20:02 (six years ago) link
A+
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 20:03 (six years ago) link
"No, see, when I say it, I use a non-rhotic pronunciation. That means I'm just kidding around!"
― pplains, Thursday, 20 April 2017 02:19 (six years ago) link
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-senator-frank-artiles-resigns-over-racist-remarks/
lol
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Friday, 21 April 2017 16:52 (six years ago) link
"My racism was taken out of context"
― Neanderthal, Friday, 21 April 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
this is a Chappelle's Show skit https://t.co/HTgatNVLLG— Vann R. Newkirk II (@fivefifths) May 10, 2017
― 龜, Wednesday, 10 May 2017 14:31 (six years ago) link
ha I was just about to post this
― PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Thursday, 11 May 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
imo his first hint that he is part black should have been the fact that his name is "Cleon Brown"
Really good article on Ta-Nehisi Coates' fearful pessimism
― Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 14:34 (six years ago) link
Man, R L Stephens has been shouting at Ta-nehisi Coates since 2014. Does he have anything new to say, or is he still just mad that Coates isn't socialist enough?
'Checks piece' Ultimately, in both Coates’s and Wilderson’s respective frameworks, solidarity is unimaginable and class struggle is rendered futile.
Yawn...
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 15:26 (six years ago) link
speaking of having anything new to say
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I really don't think an article that just regurgitates the same attack leveled against Coates a thousand times will bring up any original thoughts by anyone, really...
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:05 (six years ago) link
it's cute when bruneau identifies the one guy on ilx the zing hierarchy allows him to clown*
*this post is quite possibly a replication of the phenomenon yes lol
― imago, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:12 (six years ago) link
:(
Where is Morbs when I need him...
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
exactly where you would think doing exactly what you would think
― spud called maris (darraghmac), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link
fucking stop this right now
― PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link
^
― Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 23:49 (six years ago) link
this guy:http://pulsegulfcoast.com/2017/05/transcript-of-new-orleans-mayor-landrieus-address-on-confederate-monuments
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link
That is a great speech.
― PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
This judge should get the same treatment the judge in the Brock Turner case got: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/black-man-prison-serve-five-years-ramad-chatman-georgia-prison-not-guilty-probation-broke-terms-jail-a7744326.html But he won't.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 24 May 2017 22:53 (six years ago) link
woah @ that Landrieu speech. so good.
― gr8080, Thursday, 25 May 2017 17:20 (six years ago) link
This just appeared on my timeline, wtf.
https://twitter.com/LindseyFOX26/status/8682216704100802
― Dan Worsley, Saturday, 27 May 2017 13:52 (six years ago) link
This?
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/2017/05/25/texas-7th-grader-named-likely-become-terrorist-mock-school-awards
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 27 May 2017 14:07 (six years ago) link
And it was in the advanced college prep class! Why am I finding this hilarious what is wrong with me
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 27 May 2017 14:08 (six years ago) link
texas
― k3vin k., Saturday, 27 May 2017 14:14 (six years ago) link
That Landrieu speech has me legit crying. Amazing.
― human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Saturday, 27 May 2017 15:40 (six years ago) link
Happy Friday! Here is a terrible tweet:
I get the practical concerns. But Barack Obama buying schmancy DC house in nabe thick w lobbyists just feels weird https://t.co/xAODd9LQrA— jodikantor (@jodikantor) May 31, 2017
― PJD PDJ DPJ (DJP), Friday, 2 June 2017 15:45 (six years ago) link
ugh yeah
― k3vin k., Friday, 2 June 2017 15:48 (six years ago) link
inb4morbs
― heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 2 June 2017 15:50 (six years ago) link
shhh!
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 June 2017 15:52 (six years ago) link
How dare he!
― D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Friday, 2 June 2017 16:14 (six years ago) link
that's a nice house but #dronebama gotta be sad that $8.1 million won't get him his secret missle command center back huh
― marcos, Friday, 2 June 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link
by "nabe thick w lobbyists" does she mean the District of Columbia because guess what
― El Tomboto, Friday, 2 June 2017 16:33 (six years ago) link
"nabe thick w spies"
"nabe thick w gentrifying white ppl"
"nabe thick w veterans"
"nabe thick w graduate degrees"
"nabe thick w both beer snobs and beer reverse-snobs"
― El Tomboto, Friday, 2 June 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
Barack Obama can only live in a race-free island in the South Pacific drinking Campari and soda and reading Goethe.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 June 2017 16:40 (six years ago) link
such a thick nabe
― sexualing healing (crüt), Friday, 2 June 2017 16:44 (six years ago) link
It ain't me, nabe
― President Keyes, Friday, 2 June 2017 17:19 (six years ago) link
Furious that this even got published: http://vancouversun.com/opinion/op-ed/opinion-canada-replacing-its-population-a-case-of-wilful-ignorance-greed-excess-political-correctness
― Tomorrow Begat Tomorrow (Sund4r), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:58 (six years ago) link
postmedia is a cancer
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 23:02 (six years ago) link
What the fuck? Please, I don't want the grand remplacement blight to take root here as well.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 23:07 (six years ago) link
what a piece of scum
― lettered and hapful (symsymsym), Thursday, 15 June 2017 02:38 (six years ago) link
This could go here or the police brutality thread; I chose to put it here.
http://www.theroot.com/police-shot-brendan-hester-because-thats-what-police-do-1795965029
― a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Friday, 16 June 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/06/20/john-cunningham-not-safe-one-safe/OrlwvXMRMd3T13qUKWgxGN/story.html?event=event25#comments
But what he does not have is a green card, and so the federal agents brought him to the jail in South Bay and put him in a cell with the rest of the common criminals. Because in Donald Trump’s America, that’s what John Cunningham is, a common criminal.[...]Chris Lavery, Cunningham’s lawyer, told me there is no underlying criminal charge. Cunningham was grabbed for overstaying the 90-day visa he received 18 years ago.Lavery was trying to determine whether Cunningham missed a court hearing after a customer filed a complaint that Cunningham took and cashed a deposit check for more than $1,000 for electrical work he didn’t perform. That would have produced a warrant for his arrest, but not by immigration agents."You would think a guy like him, with no criminal convictions, would not be a priority," Lavery said.
good ol' Boston, where taking money for services you never provided isn't a criminal activity if you're Irish
― a butt groove but for feet (DJP), Thursday, 22 June 2017 15:19 (six years ago) link
Happy 5th of July pic.twitter.com/jyvsaTqY9b— Kate Horton (@ladymisskate) July 5, 2017
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qkkd43/eddie-huang-on-why-immigrants-need-to-charge-customers-full-fucking-price
― Nhex, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link
This is probably not new to you all (and maybe belongs in the police brutality thread) but thought I'd share anyway:
A good friend just got back from a 10 day holiday in NY/NJ area. One of those ten days was spent mostly in jail. He had been speeding, 5 or 6 miles over the limit, and was caught by police on the highway urging him to stop. He drove on for 1.5/2 miles or so to find a safe place to stop (custom over here) but they really advised him next time to stop immediately. When he did stop he got out: also a big no no according to the cop, so they put him on the hood and took him in.Anyway, after being in custody with 12 other guys for five hours or so, they let him go. A white cop at the station told my white friend. "It's a good thing you aren't black; you might not have survived it."
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:01 (six years ago) link
Your friend should write about his experience, particularly that quote.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:03 (six years ago) link
We met in passing (grocery store) today but I am encouraging him to do just that. He was genuinly shook. I've got a paper so will see if I can fit in there somewhere.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:04 (six years ago) link
paper=newspapwer I mean
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:05 (six years ago) link
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/02/us/naacp-missouri-travel-advisory-trnd/index.html
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 3 August 2017 16:12 (six years ago) link
I have been reading about this because I have relatives in the St Louis area. Ultimately I don't think this impacts them any more than just living in MO has already but it's still worrisome.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 3 August 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
Gary Romine, the guy who sponsored the awful SB 43 law, which the NAACP calls a "Jim Crow bill", is the state Senator representing the town where i grew up. Here is how Gary Romine spends his spare time:
In March 2015, a man who used to work at Show-Me Rent to Own in Sikeston, Missouri, filed a lawsuit alleging that his supervisor regularly used racial slurs against him, telling him, among other things, to "quit acting like a n*gger" — and that a map on the wall of the store circled a majority black neighborhood with the words "do not rent" written next to it.The owner of the business is state Senator Gary Romine (R-Farmington), and in response to the suit, his lawyers acknowledged that, yes, a map in the back of the store had those very words written upon it. Everything else, he pretty much denied.
The owner of the business is state Senator Gary Romine (R-Farmington), and in response to the suit, his lawyers acknowledged that, yes, a map in the back of the store had those very words written upon it. Everything else, he pretty much denied.
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblog/2017/04/12/sued-for-discrimination-missouri-senator-pushes-law-limiting-discrimination-suits
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 3 August 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link
After Charlottesville, I hope we can muster the energy for some introspection, then action.
Trump is a figurehead in all of this. He is not the instigator and he is not the driver. His actions align with the alt-right/neo-Nazi/white supremacist movement and is part and parcel of how his campaign was successful but he did not invent or architect any of what happened in Charlottesville. That was a grass roots movement that deserves a grass roots response.
I wrote this on Facebook, which I will reproduce here with one important edit:
I have nothing pithy or profound to say about the events in Charlottesville this weekend. The white supremacists are wrong, any violence they suffered is just, any protester who counter-demonstrated is a hero, Heather Heyer should not have died, James Fields Jr should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and our President will not condemn racism without adding enough qualifications to make his condemnation useless and hollow.If anything positive comes from this weekend, I hope it's that the Americans who had fooled themselves into believing that we live in a post-racial society are starting to realize how strongly the unsavory parts of American history still resonate today and take an active stand in their lives against it. Denounce racism whenever you see it. Do not accept it from yourself. Do not accept it from your friends. Do not accept it from your family. Do not accept it from your coworkers. Do not accept it in random encounters. Do not accept it; do not make excuses for it. Do not wait for it to die off or grow up. Resist.
If anything positive comes from this weekend, I hope it's that the Americans who had fooled themselves into believing that we live in a post-racial society are starting to realize how strongly the unsavory parts of American history still resonate today and take an active stand in their lives against it. Denounce racism whenever you see it. Do not accept it from yourself. Do not accept it from your friends. Do not accept it from your family. Do not accept it from your coworkers. Do not accept it in random encounters. Do not accept it; do not make excuses for it. Do not wait for it to die off or grow up. Resist.
At this point, it is not enough to denounce Trump. He is a lightning rod that is sucking up all of the attention and the space. These people are in our cities, extending and amplifying the poison inherent in American culture. We need to acknowledge that poison. We need to acknowledge that these people aren't a few fringe voices no one really pays attention to. Whenever they assemble, we must make sure they understand that we have heard their message and it is unwelcome. How you contribute to this is up to you; I can't speak to anyone's capability for protest and/or violence, nor do I think it is my place to tell you the most effective way to reject and counter this message. What I can say, what I feel in my bones, is that if we focus on elections to the detriment of responding directly to these groups, their message will win. If you look at these rolling threads over the past few years and see how so many of these situations have played out, their message is already winning. We shouldn't allow that to happen.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 14 August 2017 15:35 (six years ago) link
mega otm
― Neanderthal, Monday, 14 August 2017 16:21 (six years ago) link
like for instance, this upcoming rally http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/us/texas-white-nationalist-protest-trnd/index.html
ugh.
― Neanderthal, Monday, 14 August 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
clap emoji
xp
― Οὖτις, Monday, 14 August 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
Kessler's next stunt is next month in Boston iirc
There's something happening here on Saturday, not by this same group AFAIK but by people adjacent to it. We have plans outside of town for the late morning/early afternoon but I intend to drop my family off at home and go into town to at least see what is happening (presuming of course I can get in; even if it isn't violent, the number of people possible for turnout could make getting into Boston impossible).
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 14 August 2017 16:41 (six years ago) link
yeah, this thing
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHDNu9eXgAUSrpa.jpg
― Οὖτις, Monday, 14 August 2017 16:46 (six years ago) link
note first speaker, all you VICE fans
remember the good ol days
Momus (Momus) wrote this on thread I hate this generation on board I Love Everything on Oct 2, 2003
One important difference between conservatives and liberals, it seems to me, is tied up with their different attitudes to play and authenticity. Gavin McInnes and I are absolutely on the same side (and, I suspect, on the side of almost all Vice readers) when it comes to our desire to play, to pose, to try stuff out. We know that the only people that behaviour pisses off are conservatives, people for whom social meanings are fixed and cannot be monkied with.
― nomar, Monday, 14 August 2017 16:50 (six years ago) link
There was both a vigil last night and a less sombre solidarity rally this morning here in Toronto, about 70-100 folks apiece, mostly Americans. some alt righty asshole was filming and asking questions at the rally; had he shown up at the vigil he'd have gotten a beating for sure.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Monday, 14 August 2017 16:50 (six years ago) link
how were they winning? the statue was being taken down. why not let them hold their inconsequential rally?
abandoning politics in order to control the narrative is short-sighted and pointless. we do not decide laws based on who is louder and more aggressive, for good reason.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 14 August 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link
Next week, not next month.
― how's life, Monday, 14 August 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
yeah sorry I didn't remember that correctly until I dug up the flyer
― Οὖτις, Monday, 14 August 2017 17:05 (six years ago) link
Read up through this thread to see how they are winning. Read through the 2016 thread. Read through the 2015 thread. Read through the police brutality thread. Ask yourself why I, black American with at least to ancestors I know of who were lynched by police officers, would say that it is unacceptable to allow people who rally around the neo-Nazi movement and who romanticize and celebrate the time when my forebears were property without vehement, negative response.
Where did I say that we need to abandon politics in order to control the narrative and where did I state or imply that fighting a grass-roots attack with a grass-roots response is not a political action? Also, which portions of American history are you looking at here to decide that we do not decided laws based on who is louder and more aggressive. Bear in mind that we fought an actual war in order to become a sovereign country, killed large numbers of the people who already lived here to claim their land, utilized slaves to build wealth, had another war when half the country decided slavery was too enmeshed in its economic power to give up, then built up a policing structure designed to funnel a large number of the formerly enslaved back into forced labor, and this isn't even touching on everything we have done in this country under the auspices of our own laws.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 14 August 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link
literally toxic racism from Exxon:
https://theintercept.com/2017/08/13/exxon-mobil-is-still-pumping-toxins-into-black-community-in-texas-17-years-after-civil-rights-complaint/
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 14 August 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
xp i plan to be there on Saturday as well, Dan. let me know if you want a brief report on what's going down before you go.
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Monday, 14 August 2017 18:25 (six years ago) link
Absolutely.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 14 August 2017 19:07 (six years ago) link
Where did I say that we need to abandon politics in order to control the narrative.
What I can say, what I feel in my bones, is that if we focus on elections to the detriment of responding directly to these groups, their message will win.
all of last year was the message winning so much and it amounted to nothing. it amounted to way worse than nothing, it amounted to this.
2018 is almost a year away. where are the fresh new candidates for the left? skip the nazi rally and run for office.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 14 August 2017 23:14 (six years ago) link
oh ok
― Neanderthal, Monday, 14 August 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link
where are the fresh new candidates for the left?
Dems are fielding candidates in record numbers last time I checked but thx for false equivalencies
― Οὖτις, Monday, 14 August 2017 23:27 (six years ago) link
So basically, you don't understand English.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 14 August 2017 23:38 (six years ago) link
I'm much more likely to trust a candidate with a strong track record of protesting nazi rallies.
― Fetchboy, Monday, 14 August 2017 23:40 (six years ago) link
"Don't do x to the be exclusion of y" does not and will never mean the same thing as "Do not do x, do y instead." I am saying we need to do both. You are yelling at an argument that I not only haven't made but would NEVER make.
If you're going to swing in here all disdainful dick-swinger and denigrate a person of color's argument that the white audience he is talking to needs to do more to fight neo-Nazis, at least demonstrate a basic ability to read.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 14 August 2017 23:43 (six years ago) link
tbf to adam white supremacy is literally inconsequential to him since he is white
― the late great, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 00:02 (six years ago) link
this is what white privilege is adam
― the late great, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 00:03 (six years ago) link
we do not decide laws based on who is louder and more aggressive, for good reason
cf your unshakable belief in "law"
― the late great, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 00:12 (six years ago) link
do i need to make of list of laws that help you and hurt me and/or dan?
― the late great, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 00:13 (six years ago) link
spent a long time on the internet today arguing with a white southern law professor who kept saying things like "my fundamental principles are intellectual liberty and the rule of law which is why i reject political violence"
it's easy to make your prime motivation intellectual liberty when your basic physical safety isn't an issue, it's easy to believe in the rule of law when the law is literally always on your side
― the late great, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 00:22 (six years ago) link
thank you ILE for recognizing when someone (me) is triggered and stepping back politely
i say this with absolutely zero sarcasm - i really appreciate it
we sling around "tone deaf" as an insult here but really this place is about 10^6 times better than most of the internet
― the late great, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 18:32 (six years ago) link
i whole-heartedly agree. i didn't want to argue w someone who i largely agree with plus it's true, im white, as a white man in a system of white male supremacy, i am privileged, so its def not my place to dominate the conversation. i dont want to claim to speak for anyone else. i can only offer my own viewpoint. fwiw i dont want to make a big deal out of that (for fear of mansplaining/centering the conversation on me) or how much i understand the plight (cos i can never truly understand, i can only try).
the list would be far too innumerable, if not fully comprehensible and anyways it doesn't seem restricted to certain laws, it includes laws designed to help that have been abused by a crooked system and crooked individuals. even a well-meaning law exercised by a hateful person can still do harm.
i think a list of solutions, laws/policies we can support, would be a good way forward. what is the best way to make progress? educational reform? justice reform? prison reform? there is a lot of potential energy for doing good. the 60s civil rights era seems like a good model for organizing boycotts, building networks, and my faith for the potential for the non-violence and rule of law to do some good.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 19:13 (six years ago) link
much <3 and thanks, adam
― the late great, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 19:38 (six years ago) link
tbh I don't have a ton of faith in non-violence and the rule of law, and a fair amount of that is rooted in the object lessons from the 60s civil rights era. I said it on the alt-right thread, but non-violence as a political tactic only works when the goal is to appeal to an audience or portion of the opposition that is capable of shame (like the British, or Rockefeller Republicans). The modern-day GOP is not capable of shame, esp Trump's hardcore base of racist morons. It is not in their psychological make-up. There is no line that their fearless leader or his supporters can cross that would make them question their commitment. It isn't going to happen. Pictures of Trump and his supporters violently beating/murdering/assaulting non-violent protestors will *not* alter this basic calculus, unfortunately. It won't even make McConnell or Ryan or Meadows or anyone else in the GOP turn on him or their party. These fools are all in.
I guess I'm arguing ultimately that a variety of tactics are valid and will need to be employed, depending on the context and the situation. I opted to go to the Swing Left phone bank this Saturday instead of Joey Gibson's "Patriot Prayer" provocation at Crissy Field, because I think in this case it's likely to ultimately be more productive. Sometimes we are going to win by appealing to the courts, but not always. Sometimes we are going to be able to appeal to law enforcement, but not always. Sometimes some Nazi's going to be driving a car at you, and if the best option is to throw a brick through his window than that's totally defensible imo, even if it is technically a crime and as a responsible citizen you should be willing to bear the consequences of it.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 19:51 (six years ago) link
Where's this 'British are capable of shame' thingumma coming from?
― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 20:08 (six years ago) link
Jus 'avin a laugh guvnor
(Altho tbf read Gandhi because appealing to shame was central to his ethos)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 20:10 (six years ago) link
I don't think Churchill knew the meaning of the word.
― Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 20:12 (six years ago) link
the word reform always sounds so toothless
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link
question -- i am finding the silence of my white friends completely horrifying. what do i do?
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 14:08 (six years ago) link
Get new friends
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 14:33 (six years ago) link
send them a link to an interfaith vigil
they love those
links
― j., Wednesday, 16 August 2017 14:34 (six years ago) link
Xp @ LL
I don't know. I think I can only tolerate fictional white people and the occasional ilxor right now. The non-Americans are okay too.
From my end I was all full of furious bluster and rage and it contributed to ruining my vacation and now I feel like I can't think about this anymore for a little while. I realize that option is totally white privilege.
― As an ilxor, I am uncompromising (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 14:38 (six years ago) link
i feel like a lot of people are choosing that not-helpful optionand i understand, and have probably engaged in self-preservation-motivated disengagement propped up by my privilegeit doesn't seem like an option at this point
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 14:43 (six years ago) link
sad to say but at this point i appreciate some silence ... whole hell of a lot better than a great deal of what i've seen on social media
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 14:45 (six years ago) link
i like to imagine that if people are silent that means they're listening
that's probably polyanna-ish
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link
and of course who knows who they're listening to and what they're taking away from it
― the late great, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link
There is also that. I don't have anything to contribute that's new or helpful. I'm sorry if that comes across as complicit or disengaged.
― As an ilxor, I am uncompromising (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 14:48 (six years ago) link
these are the same answers i'm getting elsewhere when i asked the same questionidk what i expected, i guess i just wanted to voice my frustration at what appears to be toxic silence
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 14:52 (six years ago) link
some people seem afraid of "getting it wrong" and i get that i don't want to get it wrong any more than anyone else does -- but stepping out on a limb and trying is valuable in this climatewho cares if you get it wrong, at least you tried
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 14:55 (six years ago) link
I felt like Tomboto was saying he'd previously done that prior to disengaging. sounds like you're saying some of your white friends have just outright ghosted since the incident?
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 14:57 (six years ago) link
flaming out doesn't help in the long runmaybe there is some long-acting carbs to fuel white people's ability to be engaged
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:02 (six years ago) link
with respect...I think there's a lot of presumption here
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:05 (six years ago) link
I think this is the post I keep returning to ITT from Dan:
At this point, it is not enough to denounce Trump. He is a lightning rod that is sucking up all of the attention and the space. These people are in our cities, extending and amplifying the poison inherent in American culture. We need to acknowledge that poison. We need to acknowledge that these people aren't a few fringe voices no one really pays attention to. Whenever they assemble, we must make sure they understand that we have heard their message and it is unwelcome. How you contribute to this is up to you; I can't speak to anyone's capability for protest and/or violence, nor do I think it is my place to tell you the most effective way to reject and counter this message. What I can say, what I feel in my bones, is that if we focus on elections to the detriment of responding directly to these groups, their message will win. If you look at these rolling threads over the past few years and see how so many of these situations have played out, their message is already winning. We shouldn't allow that to happen.― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, August 14, 2017 11:35 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, August 14, 2017 11:35 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link
simply put, saying "let's just ignore these Fringe weirdos, they're harmless little gnats that will go away and we'll take back the White House and...problem solved" is not going to cut it.
there are 9 White Nationalist rallies this weekend in major cities. can start by protesting at one of them if anybody is nearby.
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:10 (six years ago) link
Took a page from Shakey and signed up for Swing Left. It's the bare minimum.
― As an ilxor, I am uncompromising (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:11 (six years ago) link
i agree with that completelyHow you contribute to this is up to you; I can't speak to anyone's capability for protest and/or violence, nor do I think it is my place to tell you the most effective way to reject and counter this message. silence can be interpreted so many ways that it is not a valid counter-message
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:12 (six years ago) link
oops that was xp
https://www.facebook.com/events/266804640483421/
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:13 (six years ago) link
I am not sure if my temple is going to be represented at that just yet but I suspect so
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:14 (six years ago) link
The "March on Google" ones are all cancelled
― As an ilxor, I am uncompromising (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:18 (six years ago) link
Daily Stormer now hosted by... (wait for it)
Russia
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:24 (six years ago) link
er wait I take that back, looks like Cloudflare still has it? these fucking people.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:25 (six years ago) link
Thanks for update Tombot
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:26 (six years ago) link
corporate responsibility: https://www.paypal.com/stories/us/paypals-aup-remaining-vigilant-on-hate-violence-intolerance
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:26 (six years ago) link
http://www.scpr.org/news/2017/08/16/74727/hollywood-forever-cemetery-to-remove-confederate-m/
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:32 (six years ago) link
Much of my point is that when the social contract unambiguously states that various minor, daily interactions where racist things occur are unacceptable, putting your head down and ignoring them is an understandable and sometimes valid response. That contract is broken right now; it will only be fixed if we assert it.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:33 (six years ago) link
Basically, I'm asking everyone who hates the direction we are heading in to take on a level of discomfort in their interactions with other that they may have previously avoided. I'm not asking anyone to sacrifice or martyr themselves and I'm not asking for 100% full-on "SMASH RACISTS" behavior; I'm asking for people to tell those close to them or in their orbits who may express views that prop up the shitshow we're currently going through that they are not on board with it. I can't tell anyone else how to do that; part of the work we all need to do is to figure out how to have those conversations. The point of having those conversations is to reassert that what we are seeing right now is wrong. Asserting that what we are seeing is wrong is part of building a consensus around a grass-roots movement to combat it, in our daily interactions, through active protest, and in engagement with the civil process so we support putting people who will fight this in positions of power and exert political force on the people already in power until they feel it is in their best interests to listen to us.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:40 (six years ago) link
I feel like you are much more cogent and coherent than I am right now (which is like pure 100% rage-space)
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:44 (six years ago) link
I'm seeing normies/civilians/non-activists/ whatever you want to call them take more interest in counter-fascist/racist demos and getting more outspoken every day. I hope it's not a blip.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:48 (six years ago) link
Dan that is once again well-said and I recognize I need to do more in that arena so thank you for sharing your perspective.
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:59 (six years ago) link
Rage is fine. Anger is an energy. At some point, we need to put that energy to use; I'm suggesting how.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link
im mostly worried this will attract people to demonstrations thus more people towards highly charged and violent situations. for what end? to prove a point to someone you think is past reasoning with?
we should look at protests strategically. they should prove a point beyond "bad people are bad". there are a lot of voters just waiting to be picked up that may have detached themselves due to all the anger swirling about. perhaps the hyping up of extremes is another facet of our world being shaped more and more by the internet but the media and politicians are also responsible to a degree.
what should a protest accomplish? what should it highlight? people already know that nazis are bad. let's find systemic injustices, the everyday day-to-day injustices, and point them out. in the past they used system jamming like bus boycotts and diner sit ins. finding the day-to-day injustices, highlighting this to the media. marginalized groups have ready and willing allies that have privilege and access they can use for civil disobedience. imo disrupt the system itself.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 16:45 (six years ago) link
man
WATCH: Full remarks from Susan Bro, mother of Charlottesville car attack victim Heather Heyer https://t.co/m3gkZDF6Ks— NBC News (@NBCNews) August 16, 2017
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 16:46 (six years ago) link
people already know that nazis are bad.
do they?
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 16:47 (six years ago) link
you just got a weekend full of evidence to the contrary
xpost goddammit
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 16:47 (six years ago) link
this is kind of on a loop in my headhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCrABvZy8uc
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link
his writing's not the greatest, but *respect knuckles*
Next 24 hours, every RT this gets, I put in a pot for @simonwiesenthal, @NAACP, @TransEquality and @splcenter, up to 0k. You know why.— John Scalzi (@scalzi) August 16, 2017
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link
thanks for your posts here DJP
― sleeve, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 17:04 (six years ago) link
Durham County gave Takiyah Thompson a 0K bond & charged her with 2 felony counts. Tell the DA to drop charges 9am-5pm: 919-808-3010 https://t.co/bhg9inBkXi— Bree Newsome (@BreeNewsome) August 16, 2017
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 17:30 (six years ago) link
I lol'd
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHXWgFYUwAA56Fy.jpg
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 17:42 (six years ago) link
Basically, I'm asking everyone who hates the direction we are heading in to take on a level of discomfort in their interactions with other that they may have previously avoided. I'm not asking anyone to sacrifice or martyr themselves and I'm not asking for 100% full-on "SMASH RACISTS" behavior; I'm asking for people to tell those close to them or in their orbits who may express views that prop up the shitshow we're currently going through that they are not on board with it. I can't tell anyone else how to do that; part of the work we all need to do is to figure out how to have those conversations.
"take on a level of discomfort" otm, this is my feeling exactly. if you don't know how, ask, learn, then do
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link
my friends!
let us witness a man who went on tv to do a bullshit segment and wound up speaking the truth
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/08/16/fox-news-invited-a-conservative-and-a-liberal-to-debate-confederate-statues-they-both-ripped-trump/
― j., Thursday, 17 August 2017 02:52 (six years ago) link
https://foucault.info/doc/documents/parrhesia/foucault-dt1-wordparrhesia-en-html
In the Greek conception of parrhesia, however, there does not seem to be a problem about the acquisition of the truth since such truth-having is guaranteed by the possession of certain moral qualities:when someone has certain moral qualities, then that is the proof that he has access to truth—and vice-versa. The "parrhesiastic game" presupposes that the parrhesiastes is someone who has the moral qualities which are required, first, to know the truth, and secondly, to convey such truth to others.If there is a kind of "proof" of the sincerity of the parrhesiastes, it is his courage. The fact that a speaker says something dangerous — different from what the majority believes— is a strong indication that he is a parrhesiastes.
If there is a kind of "proof" of the sincerity of the parrhesiastes, it is his courage. The fact that a speaker says something dangerous — different from what the majority believes— is a strong indication that he is a parrhesiastes.
― j., Thursday, 17 August 2017 03:17 (six years ago) link
To summarize the foregoing, parrhesia is a kind of verbal activity where the speaker has a specific relation to truth through frankness, a certain relationship to his own life through danger, a certain type of relation to himself or other people through criticism (self-criticism or criticism of other people), and a specific relation to moral law through freedom and duty. More precisely, parrhesia is a verbal activity in which a speaker expresses his personal relationship to truth, and risks his life because he recognizes truth-telling as a duty to improve or help other people (as well as himself). In parrhesia, the speaker uses his freedom and chooses frankness instead of persuasion, truth instead of falsehood or silence, the risk of death instead of life and security, criticism instead of flattery, and moral duty instead of self-interest and moral apathy.
― j., Thursday, 17 August 2017 03:23 (six years ago) link
sounds like rap music tbh
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 17 August 2017 06:32 (six years ago) link
yeah i'm certain i've read some academic paper or other that goes for that line
― j., Thursday, 17 August 2017 07:23 (six years ago) link
what the fuck @CNN pic.twitter.com/b9F6rcmXTa— Aeth Sbramson (@thetomzone) August 17, 2017
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 17 August 2017 14:16 (six years ago) link
I don't see that this has been posted
https://sojo.net/articles/our-white-friends-desiring-be-allies
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 August 2017 14:35 (six years ago) link
Up near the State House on Boston Common the anti-fascist gathering is growing massive. A handful of Trumpists completely drowned out atm
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 19 August 2017 15:04 (six years ago) link
:)
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 19 August 2017 15:05 (six years ago) link
It's a sea of anti fascist humanity out on the common . The nazis etc are literally holed up on the bandstand, separated by barricades and cops. You can't hear them at all over the crowd. Not sure they 're even speechifying at this point
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 19 August 2017 16:11 (six years ago) link
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/boston-free-speech-rally-white-supremacists-counter-protesters-outnumbered-10-to-1-a7902526.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 19 August 2017 16:46 (six years ago) link
George Wallace@MrGeorgeWallace
BREAKING: New England patriots win, 40,000 to 133. #Boston
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 19 August 2017 16:50 (six years ago) link
http://www.angryasianman.com/images/angry/timothydluhos01.jpg
― Neanderthal, Saturday, 19 August 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link
Toe Stubs Self
― sleepingbag, Saturday, 19 August 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link
long, devastatingly sad piece on 'the making of dylann roof': https://www.gq.com/story/dylann-roof-making-of-an-american-terrorist
― frankfurters take on new glamour in this gleaming aspic (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 09:50 (six years ago) link
Exceptional
― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 14:38 (six years ago) link
I have neither the strength nor desire to read that.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 15:30 (six years ago) link
classic behavior on display here. KKK leader makes deeply appalling violent racist statements aloud to a reporter, then claims that neither he nor his wife are racist or condone violence
after threatening to "burn" her, he adds Barker denied that he led a hate group. Both he and his wife said they “don’t hate anyone,” were “not racist” and do not condone violence.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/21/kkk-leader-threatens-to-burn-latina-journalist-the-first-black-person-on-his-property/?hpid=hp_hp-morning-mix_mm-univision%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.7e98b525c665
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link
https://news.vice.com/story/arizona-gop-uses-margaret-cho-sitcom-pic-to-represent-asian-americans
― I Love You, Fancybear (symsymsym), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 05:02 (six years ago) link
http://www.knoxnews.com/story/news/2017/08/26/white-supremacist-forum-site-stormfront-seized-domain-hosts/604902001/
― the old rugged crocs (unregistered), Sunday, 27 August 2017 19:42 (six years ago) link
That should at least throw them into a temporary limbo. But they won't roll over and die. They'll just infect some other server eventually.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 27 August 2017 19:56 (six years ago) link
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/new-hampshire-police-refuse-to-discuss-apparent-lynching-of-8-year-old-biracial-boy/amp/
― Οὖτις, Monday, 11 September 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link
this fucking country
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, 11 September 2017 18:53 (six years ago) link
Not Guilty verdict for Stockley murder of Anthony Lamar Smithhttp://www.cnn.com/2017/09/15/us/jason-stockley-officer-shooting-verdict/index.html
― Spottie, Friday, 15 September 2017 18:18 (six years ago) link
this fucking country― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, September 11, 2017 2:53 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Monday, September 11, 2017 2:53 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 15 September 2017 18:22 (six years ago) link
Got friends in St Louis sending updates, schools and after school activities are cancelled and people are being told to stay home. Could get nasty tonight in St Louis.
― Spottie, Friday, 15 September 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link
downtown is already barricaded, no cars allowed.
Forceful, pained statement from @RepMikeButler in response to #jasonstockley not guilty verdict https://t.co/QAljzNwVPd pic.twitter.com/nZkLDfDgFJ— Wesley Lowery (@WesleyLowery) September 15, 2017
― Spottie, Friday, 15 September 2017 18:29 (six years ago) link
Ex-ilxors are on the scene, too
― Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Friday, 15 September 2017 22:01 (six years ago) link
"I don't know where else to put this so I'm putting it here"
I am sort of surprised nobody has attempted to copyright / trademark "wypipo" yet. It just seems like a candidate for a terrible startup name (cf "Bodega" which we as a nation all shit on last week)
― El Tomboto, Friday, 22 September 2017 21:25 (six years ago) link
*squashes sudden desire to create a business plan for a rideshare app called Wypipo*
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Friday, 22 September 2017 22:26 (six years ago) link
ICYMI: Don't identify extremely!
https://splinternews.com/the-fbi-is-now-labeling-something-called-black-identity-1819227623
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 October 2017 14:40 (six years ago) link
*hides skateboard*
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Monday, 9 October 2017 14:43 (six years ago) link
Living in this country often feels like constantly getting kicked in the balls.
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Monday, 9 October 2017 14:44 (six years ago) link
I think this World Series incident is worth a crossover from sportsland.
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/10/28/16563112/yuli-gurriel-yu-darvish-racist-gesture-world-series-game-3-response
It's complicated by the fact that Gurriel is Cuban, and acc to many white guys online "doesn't understand our culture." It overlooks the fact that he played in Japan for awhile.
This may blow up further today depending on whether there's a suspension or not.
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 October 2017 15:04 (six years ago) link
lol this isn’t even a little bit complicated IMO
― Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Saturday, 28 October 2017 16:26 (six years ago) link
i meant purely in terms of the shitshow that will ensue
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 October 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link
too bad gurriel doesn't play for cleveland
― mookieproof, Saturday, 28 October 2017 16:52 (six years ago) link
already whiteguy sports fans weighing in with "hey he was raised under communist oppression" and "he doesn't know what racism is"
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 28 October 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
i sort of doubt anyone whose opinion is worth hearing has said anything like that
― k3vin k., Saturday, 28 October 2017 19:34 (six years ago) link
luckily no one else is allowed to say things
― j., Saturday, 28 October 2017 19:37 (six years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/29/sports/football/nfl-anthem-lockhart.html
turns out "lifelong democratic operatives" include guys like this
― k3vin k., Sunday, 29 October 2017 11:31 (six years ago) link
anyone have any recommendations for reading on the history of race & racism in the UK? an overview focused on the domestic situation rather than empire would be ideal
― ogmor, Monday, 30 October 2017 09:21 (six years ago) link
I saw this book on the weekend, and it looks good:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51gYGyHeo8L._SX331_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
― glumdalclitch, Monday, 30 October 2017 11:23 (six years ago) link
that looks good but there's no way I'll get through 650 pages of it
― ogmor, Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:32 (six years ago) link
A post-Halloween reminder that the real monsters are regular people:
http://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc-br-west-hartford-student-arrest-20171101-story.html
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Wednesday, 1 November 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link
To follow up on my previous post, I started cataloging all of the reported instances of Halloween blackface in a Facebook post:
https://www.facebook.com/djperry1973/posts/10159617382005038
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Friday, 3 November 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link
Jesus that's depressing
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 3 November 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
Re: Trump and Economic insecurity....https://t.co/11AMCWJGpq pic.twitter.com/YBc1RS7ERV— Ta-Nehisi Coates (@tanehisicoates) November 8, 2017
― j., Wednesday, 8 November 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
Gotta hand it to racists. They are prolific when it comes to making up unfunny acronyms.
― pplains, Wednesday, 8 November 2017 15:35 (six years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/08/us/air-force-academy-racist.html
: /
― j., Friday, 10 November 2017 05:27 (six years ago) link
Briahna Joy Gray on Coates (and identity politics in the age of Trump more broadly):
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/identity-politics-cant-get-us-out-of-the-mess-racism-made.html
― Simon H., Monday, 13 November 2017 15:02 (six years ago) link
Before we start arguing about this, Simon, do you agree with the piece? Or is this another one of those 'I don't necessarily agree with everything, but it raises some interesting points' kind of thing?
― Frederik B, Monday, 13 November 2017 15:35 (six years ago) link
at this point I'm not particularly invested or interested in what messaging the Dems do or don't engage in, just thought folks here might find it interesting/worthy of discussion
― Simon H., Monday, 13 November 2017 15:41 (six years ago) link
Well, if you like that discussion you should check out the 98 times we've had it already. It was worthy.
― Frederik B, Monday, 13 November 2017 15:51 (six years ago) link
Well, if you like that discussion you should check out the 98 times we've had it already.
Wait, we’ve had several dozen discussions of this Briahna Joy Gray piece already? But it was posted today
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Monday, 13 November 2017 20:32 (six years ago) link
We have talked this exact argument to death multiple times; the end result is that people who want to downplay race in favor of class do not have a firm grasp of how this country has historically solved class problems (ie, by making them slightly better for white people at the expense of non-white people until those non-white people protest and mobilize legislative allies who put them at the starting point their white counterparts were in decades before them).
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Monday, 13 November 2017 20:37 (six years ago) link
If you don't want to acknowledge that, feel free to continue tooting the "only class really matters" horn; I tooted it myself when we were living in a country where it wasn't patently obvious that a large segment of the country would inflict grievous harm upon themselves in order to protect the success of already-successful people who looked like them who wanted to put in place roadblocks that affect people who look like me. Watching the country's reaction to Obama's presidency was enlightening and terrifying.
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Monday, 13 November 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link
DJP otm
― the late great, Monday, 13 November 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
this essay does the sort of concern-trolling abt "electability" that leftists otherwise recognize as diseased thinking among centrists https://t.co/U18IKslo8G— 🌺JUSTIN CHARITY (@justincharity) November 13, 2017
― Simon H., Monday, 13 November 2017 20:53 (six years ago) link
Reading through this article, it's completely disingenuous. It holds up Coates' critique, which criticizes the rush that a bunch of white centrists, liberals, and progressives made to absolve some segment of Trump voters from racism and recommendations to downplay critique of racial issues in favor of more discussion of economic issues, as if it has no intersectional component to it and then presents as a solution the logical endpoint of the arguments Coates has been making from the get-go.
― the Hannah Montana of the Korean War (DJP), Monday, 13 November 2017 20:58 (six years ago) link
http://www.twincities.com/2017/11/29/only-i94-protester-to-go-to-trial-found-guilty-of-public-nuisance/
When Jeffrey Berger stood beside hundreds of other protesters and blocked traffic for hours on Interstate 94 following the 2016 police shooting of Philando Castile, he says he knew he was putting himself at risk for arrest or even injury.But he doesn’t believe his actions to be criminal, he told jury members hearing his case in Ramsey County District Court this week.“I believe it is necessary for white-skin people to take risks with their own bodies to help heal the effects of white supremacy,” Berger said.
But he doesn’t believe his actions to be criminal, he told jury members hearing his case in Ramsey County District Court this week.
“I believe it is necessary for white-skin people to take risks with their own bodies to help heal the effects of white supremacy,” Berger said.
― j., Friday, 1 December 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link
god, what a load of bullshit. good for berger.
― Karl Malone, Friday, 1 December 2017 17:18 (six years ago) link
why did he get singled out in particular?
― Nhex, Friday, 1 December 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
he's the only one who didn't take a plea deal
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Friday, 1 December 2017 20:44 (six years ago) link
whyyyyyyy do i read comments on articles like that
― the late great, Friday, 1 December 2017 20:49 (six years ago) link
also, iirc the local organizers used a strategy of deliberately putting forward the white allies who could weather the legal trouble relatively ok for arrest purposes
― j., Saturday, 2 December 2017 02:59 (six years ago) link
A good friend of mine who is currently living in The Netherlands posted a picture of her kids with Sinterklas and Zwarte Piet (in full-on blackface) on Facebook with the caption “You never know who you’ll run into at the Saturday market!” She is a liberal American married to a Frenchman. Several common friends of ours who are also liberals, also American, tagged her picture with likes and loves. A couple of people I don’t know questioned the blackface; all of the names I recognize are white people going “oh how precious!” aside from one common friend who liked the link I posted to the current controversy around Zwarte Piet.
There are times when I feel really, really over white people.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Saturday, 2 December 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link
A woman whose profile picture is literally text that says “END IT: SHINE A LIGHT ON SLAVERY” just wrote “I don't know the history, so I am not offended. I see two men in costume being sweet to your adorable children.”
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Saturday, 2 December 2017 18:50 (six years ago) link
She means *white* slavery tho, maybe check your own assumptions
― sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Saturday, 2 December 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link
I’m sorry, DJP
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 2 December 2017 18:56 (six years ago) link
Sorry bad quip (although the 1st part is prob true), these ppl suck obv xp
― sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Saturday, 2 December 2017 18:57 (six years ago) link
It is true that who you run into at Saturday market is an mostly unknowable thing
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 2 December 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
i was going to say the same thing, about "white" slavery and about being sorry how many oblivious fuckheads are still roaming the earth
― Illegal Ethiopian Dance Music (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 2 December 2017 18:58 (six years ago) link
My friend wrote “this was meant to just be a picture of the kids but I see that this is also insensitive” and I’m like “your sisters are half-Asian and your dad lives in Thailand plus you are from the US and travel everywhere, wtf were you thinking”
Her husband, who is French, basically wrote “the one time we have a story about a black man who is sweet towards kids; love you Piet” and even though he could easily kick my ass I would like to try to set him on fire 🔥
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Saturday, 2 December 2017 19:17 (six years ago) link
wtf at the husband's comment
― sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Saturday, 2 December 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
jesus
― k3vin k., Saturday, 2 December 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
who is French
― Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Saturday, 2 December 2017 19:22 (six years ago) link
btw he is a police officer who works for the United Nations
I left some context out of his comment, which was this in full:
“For one time there is a story with a black man cool, generous that everybody love. Promise if one day some people come from Mars I will change the color of my Christmas tree. I hope my children will never judge a person because of the color of his skin. Love you Piet. ❤️”
So my paraphrase was a little unfair but only a little.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Saturday, 2 December 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link
Barf
― sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Saturday, 2 December 2017 19:24 (six years ago) link
calling a story with a black man cool, generous as next forks dn btw
― sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Saturday, 2 December 2017 19:26 (six years ago) link
because of the tree being insensitive to green martians???
― j., Saturday, 2 December 2017 19:28 (six years ago) link
That's how I took it, as a ridiculous ref to "oversensitivity"
― sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Saturday, 2 December 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
what the christ
― omar little, Saturday, 2 December 2017 19:35 (six years ago) link
My Dutch friends hate the Zwarte Piet thing and actively campaign against it, was discussing this yesterday with a friend who lives in The Netherlands and was surprised to find that his entire otherwise liberal circle of friends think it's just a bit of harmless fun.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 2 December 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
It’s the holiday season!
Literally 11 months out of the year, I think to myself “I would love to live in Amsterdam someday” and then in December I’m like “… oh right, I keep forgetting about that”
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Saturday, 2 December 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
“I don't know the history, so I am not offended."“I don't know the history, so I am not offended."“I don't know the history, so I am not offended."“I don't know the history, so I am not offended."“I don't know the history, so I am not offended."
― pplains, Sunday, 3 December 2017 02:57 (six years ago) link
Laughs uproariously at joke about Chinese laundry - "Oh? You mean there's some history with that?"
I mean, God bless for not knowing about Christmas traditions of the European flat country, but being an American witnessing someone in blackface should "ring some bells," as they say during the holidays.
― pplains, Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:01 (six years ago) link
'but it's not black it's zwarte'
― j., Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:08 (six years ago) link
Addendum: A Dutch(-American) woman showed up to complain about the NatGeo article I linked, likening it to a man writing about problems within the feminist movement since it was written by an American. She also wrote a giant post comparing Zwarte Piet to the Easter Bunny and blathering about the importance of tradition. At least one of my white "friends" liked her comment.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:25 (six years ago) link
Facebook is clearly a great invention
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:26 (six years ago) link
Haven’t regretted deleting it for a single second.
― rb (soda), Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:28 (six years ago) link
As part of her comments, she referenced the author of the NatGeo piece as "a literal Becky", appropriating from a black person to complain about black people objecting to something they perceive to be racist.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:28 (six years ago) link
This article, I assume?https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/12/black-pete-christmas-zwarte-piet-dutch/
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:36 (six years ago) link
Holy fucking shit that woman is a stupid troll
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:37 (six years ago) link
Also this could go in the black, white, purple thread:https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/08/29/world/europe/zwarte-piet-netherlands-united-nations.html
The Dutch are already reinventing the way they portray the controversial character, said Lodewijk Asscher, minister for social affairs and employment. “At the school of my own children, the Petes last year were orange,” he said.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:41 (six years ago) link
yup, yup, and yup
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:42 (six years ago) link
I might give her viewpoint more credence if we weren't talking about the country whose colonial adventures gave us apartheid.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:45 (six years ago) link
a man writing about problems within the feminist movement
― j., Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:51 (six years ago) link
i am going to meditate on that and try and figure out how it maps onto brave dutch piet-lovers
― j., Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:52 (six years ago) link
don’t forget the Easter bunny
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:53 (six years ago) link
Here was the comment that was a direct response to that NatGeo article:
I wish they would assign these stories to journalists who actually live in, come from, or have a connection to the culture they are writing about, rather than a literal Becky who lives in Washington D.C. and grew up in the U.S. I teach a travel writing class and am frequently telling my students to be very careful about writing critically about cultures to which they don't belong from a subjective and presumptuously American-supremacist perspective. It's very American to take the position of authority about all other cultures. I think this issue could be much better covered by writers who have a connection to the culture. This, to me, reads like a man writing about the problem within the feminist movement today, or a white person writing about the problems in the black community. Wrong messenger entirely. Americans feel entitled to insert themselves in the conversation when it is not their cultural history and thus not really appropriate for them to act as anything but neutral observers. And they don't need to infantalize or chastise the Dutch people. The Dutch are sophisticated and intellectual and completely able to have these critical discussions in their society without the American voice coming down from above to tell the them how it is. NatGeo should have hired a Dutch journalist to write about this.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:53 (six years ago) link
This was the general consumption comment:
For those upset by the blackface, this is an issue being debated in the Dutch community, BUT, also realize that if you are American, you are projecting your cultural experience of blackface from the perspective of an America-centrist history, drawing on things like American slavery and minstrel shows that simply aren't a part of the culture you are judging. Blackface is shocking to Americans, but it doesn't mean the same thing to cultures without that history. That isn't to say that Zwarte Piet's race and origin doesn't need to be reconsidered. Sinterklaas comes from Spain in the legend, and Zwarte Piet is his Moorish helper. Piet is the trickster, who plays practical jokes on the kids, and puts naughty children in the bag to take to Spain. He carries a bundle of sticks to swat naughty children, and candy for the good children (which he throws through the windows. He also plays ding-dong-ditch, leaving candy and presents on doorsteps). He is not regarded in a slave position or an oppressed position by Dutch people in modern culture. Now of course, with the tradition going back hundreds of years, the blackface hasn't aged well, especially with American-centric cultural perspectives dominating all over the world. So the Dutch are trying to find a way that they could change this tradition with an EXTREMELY ingrained character (imagine telling Americans that the Easter Bunny was cruel to animals, so henceforth needed to be a man, and not a bunny? How many families do you think would change the tradition overnight for their kids? How would they even explain to their kids who LOVE the Easter Bunny?) Some ideas that have been floated are using yellow/green/blue facepaint instead. But still, it will be very hard to get the Dutch to let go of their traditional, beloved character "Zwarte Piet". I grew up with Zwarte Piet. He was my hero as a kid, much cooler than Sinterklaas, who was a bit scary. He's as important as the Easter Bunny or Santa's elves to the Dutch (speaking of, aren't elves offensive to little people?) And I kind of do think it's a little problematic for Americans to dominate the conversation about another country's culture, forcing their own historical perspective onto that culture as the dominant culture and not even being aware that that whole history they are reactive about (of slavery, of minstrel shows, etc.) is not shared by other countries in the same way. It feels aggressive and like an example of American exceptionalism. Yes, Zwarte Piet is a sensitive issue and the Dutch will hash it out, but the debate is not for Americans to insert themselves into, I think, because they are being triggered for a whole other reason.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:54 (six years ago) link
Never mind that the better analogy would be the Washington Redskins or that the few studies I've been able to find that survey what black Dutch think of Zwarte Piet show 60-75% of think he is a discriminatory figure.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:56 (six years ago) link
(there's also the bit about equating dressing up like a black person with dressing up as an anthropomorphized animal)
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Sunday, 3 December 2017 03:58 (six years ago) link
it will be very hard
haven't they been not doing this for like my entire adult life
― j., Sunday, 3 December 2017 04:08 (six years ago) link
Hey I’m learning a lot because of this terrible person and her stupid bad opinions http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/review/545
The Dutch played even less of a part in the ending of the slave trade, and what little they did was largely the result of British pressure. At first glance it seems odd that the Dutch, with so little to lose, dragged their feet while England, with a much heavier investment in the trade, took the lead. On this issue the Dutch failed to take the moral high ground which was to become so familiar to them by the later-nineteenth century. Emmer attributes this failure to the deeply conservative nature of early-nineteenth-century Dutch society and politics together with concern for the plantation economy of Surinam. More weight might, perhaps, have been given to the general fragility of the Dutch economy in contrast to the dynamism of industrializing Britain. The Dutch believed they were in no position to take risks, and only later in the century, with increasing profits from the exploitation of their East Indian possessions, did they feel able to afford to end slavery in their American colonies. Emmer sees this notable lack of humanitarian concern as morally reprehensible but notes that other countries with relatively weak economies and an investment in the slave trade and slavery were equally unwilling to act.
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 3 December 2017 04:14 (six years ago) link
He also plays ding-dong-ditch, leaving candy and presents on doorsteps).
That's not what I heard it called growing up.
― pplains, Sunday, 3 December 2017 05:03 (six years ago) link
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, December 2, 2017 7:36 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
The first goes for me as well. It's a disgrace. It's become our (part of our) culture wars. The fight's bigger every year, and more and more people want to get rid of it, change the figure.
It'll take a long, looong time though, I'm afraid. Can't go into the nitty gritty as it's too depressing. December has become the months where your friends and neighbours and family suddenly turning out to be racist etc.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 3 December 2017 16:24 (six years ago) link
I hear the "blackface is an American thing!" argument so many times and it's so ahistorical and dumb - European portrayals of blackness are at the root of what became minstrel/blackface culture, which was then in turn enthusiastically exported to most of Europe ("Black & White Minstrel Show" running in the UK up to the 70's etc.); it's all connected.
Dan, totally understand if you don't want to waste any more time engaging with this idiotic troll, but fwiw I enjoyed this interview w/ a black dutch person on Zwarte Piet (and other things), can't play the "outsider to the culture" card here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be03kzCVhz8
― Daniel_Rf, Sunday, 3 December 2017 20:02 (six years ago) link
I feel like the French contribute a certain je ne sais quois to racism
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 3 December 2017 20:17 (six years ago) link
DanRf, that video is great. I am tempted to post it even though the woman who put up the original picture asked us to stop the conversation.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Sunday, 3 December 2017 21:28 (six years ago) link
It's great. There were more of those about the same subject.
Just last Saturday the 'kick out Black Pete' demonstration - they tried to rally before but pro Pete's blocked the highway and police let them, no kidding - went along. I was on my to Amsterdam when I drove under an overway and saw a crowd gathered there, with flags and stuff: it could only have been pro Pete's waiting for the buses of anti-Pete's to pass and throw stuff or kick a stirr. Several of my friends were at the anti Black Pete demo. I apped them and police got rid of the troublemakers.
Reading my own words, I'm aware of how insane it may sound to anyone outside this fucked up country. Everyone's completely entrenched, digging further down their own "opinion" (yes: were no further here really than if you say Black Pete is racism people will say: that's your opinion, and also it's wrong, it's a kids party etc.) Trying to explain why it's racist is turned into a "*you* people want to change our traditions, if you don't like it gtfo", which is racist and xenophobe.
But our prime minister is on record, blatantly, smilingly saying Black Pete is "just part" of the tradition, he "has black friends who celebrate it with him" etc. Long, looooooooooong way to go... :-/
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 3 December 2017 21:41 (six years ago) link
btw someone on that thread said "that Zwarte Piet is a actually a black man underneath all that so clearly it's not racist"
I kind of want to throw the entire history of minstrel shows at her but I'm respecting the original poster's wishes.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Sunday, 3 December 2017 21:46 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjosGL5YwPw
^^ (you can turn on English subs, they seem ok). This is basically where we're at. This clip from the only Late Night show got a lot of traction, and he tried to explain why BP is absurd. But obv it got traction because it's a white man who is saying what black people here have been saying for aaaages. Which is causing a rift in the anti BP movement: should white people be "allowed" to spread the message when black people have done this for ages and aren't credited for it, versus: well yeah but at least white people are reached now because of this and it makes them think etc.
It's, quite frankly, a mess.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 3 December 2017 21:57 (six years ago) link
Dunno if it helps any but all this sounds pretty familiar from debates I've experienced in Portugal, the UK and the US. Especially when it comes to anything that's categorized as children's entertainment - ppl get apeshit defensive because, I think, subconciously if they admit that a beloved thing from their childhood is actually racist (or sexist or etc.) they see it as a judgement on their entire childhood.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 4 December 2017 11:00 (six years ago) link
campaigning to keep the original words to "Eeny, meeny, miney, mo"
― Illegal Ethiopian Dance Music (Noodle Vague), Monday, 4 December 2017 13:00 (six years ago) link
I rewatched Kind Hearts and Coronets recently and that rhyme comes up a few times...
― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 4 December 2017 16:29 (six years ago) link
Especially when it comes to anything that's categorized as children's entertainment - ppl get apeshit defensive because, I think, subconciously if they admit that a beloved thing from their childhood is actually racist (or sexist or etc.) they see it as a judgement on their entire childhood.
there's been a pretty strong reaction to that "The Trouble with Apu" thing and I think this is exactly why
― frogbs, Monday, 4 December 2017 16:33 (six years ago) link
Because a lot of people would rather be racist than change anything they like?
― Illegal Ethiopian Dance Music (Noodle Vague), Monday, 4 December 2017 16:41 (six years ago) link
I think part of it is that a lot ppl think of racism primarily in terms of being a personal moral failing rather than a structural issue? so when it's suggested that a beloved childhood thing is racist they react like they're being retroactively denounced as a terrible bigoted person for things they did/thought/felt as a child and get defensive.
― soref, Monday, 4 December 2017 16:55 (six years ago) link
hopefully it's possible to have treasured childhood memories of Christmas involving Zwarte Piet and also acknowledge that Zwarte Piet is bad and racist and shouldn't continue as a tradition? probably everyone's most precious memories are inextricably wrapped up with stuff that's problematic to some extent?
― soref, Monday, 4 December 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link
I keep thinking back to an essay I wrote in high school about racism and received wisdom and how pervasive and infectious it is; one particular point I made was that even as a black kid I wasn't immune to getting caught up in this type of thing as well, using the example of the willing ridicule I participated in with some of my friends after a presentation by a local Native American outreach group over some of the claims they made about the contributions of Native Americans to global society, which included writing and arithmetic. I realized halfway through my mocking that my haughty invocations of cuneiform and Babylon were looking at things from precisely the wrong context that there was literally no reason why analogous concepts couldn't have been co-discovered by a contemporaneous society that Americans spent a good portion of their history attempting to wipe off of the face of the Earth; my mistake was thinking that if I could have this epiphany as a 16-year-old, that meant most adults already realized this.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Monday, 4 December 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link
There's a commitment wired into a specious definition of truth and facts that plagues the academic-minded maybe, or factual literalists for sure
― Illegal Ethiopian Dance Music (Noodle Vague), Monday, 4 December 2017 17:33 (six years ago) link
/Reading my own words, I'm aware of how insane it may sound to anyone outside this fucked up country. Everyone's completely entrenched, digging further down their own "opinion" (yes: were no further here really than if you say Black Pete is racism people will say: that's your opinion, and also it's wrong, it's a kids party etc.) Trying to explain why it's racist is turned into a "*you* people want to change our traditions, if you don't like it gtfo", which is racist and xenophobe./Dunno if it helps any but all this sounds pretty familiar from debates I've experienced in Portugal, the UK and the US. Especially when it comes to anything that's categorized as children's entertainment - ppl get apeshit defensive because, I think, subconciously if they admit that a beloved thing from their childhood is actually racist (or sexist or etc.) they see it as a judgement on their entire childhood.
― sonnet by a wite kid, "On Æolian Grief" (wins), Monday, 4 December 2017 17:45 (six years ago) link
+ the lie of "all childhoods are happy and innocent"
― Illegal Ethiopian Dance Music (Noodle Vague), Monday, 4 December 2017 17:53 (six years ago) link
I was a very happy kid growing up but the experience of being the one black kid in a sea of racism pretty much put the kibosh on romantacizing childhood.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Monday, 4 December 2017 17:55 (six years ago) link
I was thinking about yeah, even with a happy supportive family your experience of childhood is likely to be utterly different to oblivious white kids like most of us in the west
― Illegal Ethiopian Dance Music (Noodle Vague), Monday, 4 December 2017 18:10 (six years ago) link
we need to kill the idealization of childhood in general, imo
― Nhex, Monday, 4 December 2017 18:11 (six years ago) link
Which is like talking about Americans or dutch or British as if we're one unified mass of experience and background xp
Also yes nhex, childhood is one.of the constructedest ideas there is
― Illegal Ethiopian Dance Music (Noodle Vague), Monday, 4 December 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link
It's not surprising that people have a knee-jerk, egocentric reaction to accusations of racism, viewing it in terms of how they're personally inconvenienced by the accusation rather than in terms of their complicity in something harmful. The effort one is willing to put into shifting their perspective from point a to point b (or the extent to which they in fact double down on the personal butthurt) is a pretty straightforward metric for determining how much of a dickhole racist that person is, I find.
― Ripped Taylor (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 December 2017 18:30 (six years ago) link
it's usually no more than "you're making me feel bad. I don't like people who made me feel bad"
― fuck you, your hat is horrible (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 00:19 (six years ago) link
is there any reason to think conservatives are not disposed to worry about complicity arguments
― j., Wednesday, 6 December 2017 02:45 (six years ago) link
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/12/iat-behavior-problem.html
singal doing his i-just-have-some-questions schtick
― j., Wednesday, 6 December 2017 06:03 (six years ago) link
Thought this was a good interview: http://www.newblackmaninexile.net/2017/11/racial-justice-doesnt-trickle-down.html
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 13:57 (six years ago) link
I will listen to that but the "class only" strawman from the description really bugs me. Who's seriously advancing that?
― Simon H., Wednesday, 6 December 2017 14:00 (six years ago) link
I think there are some problems w this but the overall gist gets at some aspects of the conversation that has confused old people
https://t.co/CHXmHsmLQG?amp=1
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Wednesday, 6 December 2017 14:08 (six years ago) link
x-post: Lol, sorry, but that's perfect for the 'Posts perfectly in character' thread.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 6 December 2017 14:28 (six years ago) link
fair
― Simon H., Wednesday, 6 December 2017 14:29 (six years ago) link
Something I'm struggling with in the discourse advanced/described in the Tablet piece (and that I've seen replicated on social media in slightly more extreme forms on the strongly identitarian wings of the left) is, what takes the place of whiteness-as-identity? If whiteness is inherently supremacist, and therefore an identity and oppressive superstructure to be scrapped in history's dustbin (an argument I am totally fine with in and of itself), I would think that risks once again reverting to white people not "seeing" race when they look at themselves, reverting to the nullity that white supremacy encourages, a sort of "otherness" beyond race. Yet I also see people frequently dismissing the idea of "reforming" or "redefining" white identity. So I guess what I'm wondering is, and what I can't seem to piece together from the existing discourse, is what is the non-oppressive way for white people to conceive of themselves?
― Simon H., Thursday, 7 December 2017 02:55 (six years ago) link
history's greatest monsters
― j., Thursday, 7 December 2017 06:02 (six years ago) link
If whiteness is inherently supremacist, and therefore an identity and oppressive superstructure to be scrapped in history's dustbin (an argument I am totally fine with in and of itself)
lol you are the phoniest motherfucker on this board
― sleepingbag, Thursday, 7 December 2017 06:23 (six years ago) link
I'd assume that if whiteness as an identity is to be abolished, so is race as an identity altogether? Non-white identities having been thrust on ppl by white supremacy.
I say this a lot in these kinds of threads but it feels cart-before-the-horses.
― Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 7 December 2017 11:45 (six years ago) link
tell me how you really feel sb
― Simon H., Thursday, 7 December 2017 12:02 (six years ago) link
Handy how sleepingbag's screen name abbreviates to suggest ban.
― Akdov Telmig (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 7 December 2017 12:20 (six years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 7 December 2017 13:08 (six years ago) link
I mean that’s just a long smarty pants way of saying what DJP, Nhex, NV, OL and Neanderthal all expressed or alluded to above, reallyBut you know what’s really long winded and smarty pants is that Tablet piece. Jesus Christ:
This intricate system of racial casuistry, worthy of Jesuits, is a beguiling compound of insight, partial truths, circular reasoning, and dogmatism operating within a self-enclosed system of reference immunized against critique and optimized for virality.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 7 December 2017 13:18 (six years ago) link
You can tell that that piece is different from all the optimized casuistry because it's so badly written
― Frederik B, Thursday, 7 December 2017 13:33 (six years ago) link
It starts out okay and then gets worse as it goes on. “I had an outline and a deadline and it was one or the other”
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 7 December 2017 13:36 (six years ago) link
after i posted that, it occurred to me that the right-wing attitude toward federal tax dollars for abortions is worried about complicity. so they understand the principle!
― j., Thursday, 7 December 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link
That’s really not at all the emotion behind that though. It’s about control over other people’s options.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 7 December 2017 14:50 (six years ago) link
A story my wife told on Facebook yesterday:
Overheard in my doctor’s waiting room:Scene: Two older folks (a man and a woman), obviously related, are sharing pics from a recent family event that the man missed due to illness.W: Oh, and here’s my nephew’s girlfriend. Well, fiancée, now, since he proposed that day.M: She’s black?!W (really agitated, all of a sudden): She’s not black!M (giggling a bit): Of course she’s black. Do you not have eyes?W (still agitated): Well, no one said she was black.M: What?W (now growling): If she was black, someone would have said so. And, pipe down, people are going to think you’re prejudiced.M: Not me. I’m just noting that she’s black. She’s gorgeous. You’re the one who’s upset about it.W: *silence*M: Ha! Welcome to the family, gorgeous!W: *leaves the waiting room*#guesswhoscomingtodinneryall
W: Oh, and here’s my nephew’s girlfriend. Well, fiancée, now, since he proposed that day.M: She’s black?!W (really agitated, all of a sudden): She’s not black!M (giggling a bit): Of course she’s black. Do you not have eyes?W (still agitated): Well, no one said she was black.M: What?W (now growling): If she was black, someone would have said so. And, pipe down, people are going to think you’re prejudiced.M: Not me. I’m just noting that she’s black. She’s gorgeous. You’re the one who’s upset about it.W: *silence*M: Ha! Welcome to the family, gorgeous!W: *leaves the waiting room*#guesswhoscomingtodinneryall
UPDATE: They just left the office (I was hella early for this appointment). The guy walked right over to me, patted me on the knee (boundaries much?), and said “You are the most gorgeous thing in this whole place!” I think I love him. She huffed and sped up to leave the office.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Thursday, 7 December 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
My wife was the only black person in the room when this conversation happened and everyone else studiously avoided eye contact with her in its aftermath, like they had something to be embarrassed about or something.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Thursday, 7 December 2017 15:55 (six years ago) link
"if she was black, someone would have said so" is I don't even know what
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 7 December 2017 15:58 (six years ago) link
Competing Beyonce/Fu-Schnickens "Ring The Alarm" signals going up in that household
ATTN ATTN THE FIANCEE IS A NEGRESS, I REPEAT THE FIANCEE IS A NEGRESS
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Thursday, 7 December 2017 16:01 (six years ago) link
This intricate system of racial casuistry, worthy of Jesuits, is a beguiling compound of insight, partial truths, circular reasoning, and dogmatism operating within a self-enclosed system of reference immunized against critique and optimized for virality.― El Tomboto, Thursday, December 7, 2017 7:18 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah this is he main quote where it loses me For most of it though I thought it was a pretty good summation from a distance of what happened within the left over the past few years and explains why so many ostensibly liberal ppl I went to school with are suddenly so concerned with political correctness gone mad
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 7 December 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
Competing Beyonce/Fu-Schnickens "Ring The Alarm" signals going up in that householdATTN ATTN THE FIANCEE IS A NEGRESS, I REPEAT THE FIANCEE IS A NEGRESS― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:01 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Thursday, December 7, 2017 11:01 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
*extremely nasal white person voice* Actually, it's a Tenor Saw sample
― mag gerwig! (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 7 December 2017 17:48 (six years ago) link
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Thursday, 7 December 2017 17:52 (six years ago) link
the SC cop who murdered Walter Scott just got 20 years. bracing for inevitable Trump tweet on this news that brings up Katie Steinle.
― evol j, Thursday, 7 December 2017 18:03 (six years ago) link
i am picturing the man and woman in mrs djp's story as the queen and prince philip
― straightedge is just volcel for vegans (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 8 December 2017 13:22 (six years ago) link
Definitely works, I can imagine Phil's eyes lighting up whenever Meghan walks in the room.
― Action of Boyle Man Prompts Visitor to Stay (Tom D.), Friday, 8 December 2017 13:25 (six years ago) link
well that's some imagery
― pplains, Friday, 8 December 2017 14:12 (six years ago) link
How to lose an election: https://www.theroot.com/a-racist-flyer-might-cost-doug-jones-the-election-becau-1821065764?utm_medium=sharefromsite&utm_source=The_Root_facebook
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Friday, 8 December 2017 16:29 (six years ago) link
Goodness me
― Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 8 December 2017 16:30 (six years ago) link
I mentioned that on rolling US politics at some point, It's, uh, very bad
― Simon H., Friday, 8 December 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link
when keeping it allied goes wrong
― k3vin k., Friday, 8 December 2017 16:35 (six years ago) link
God it’s so damn pandering. Is the Democratic Party capable of engaging evenly with its constituency, or is its entire Southern strategy still based on a presupposition of racial deficits?
― rb (soda), Friday, 8 December 2017 16:41 (six years ago) link
this is like the horrific opposite of Matthew McConaughey's "now imagine that girl was white!" climax from A Time to Kill
― Nhex, Friday, 8 December 2017 16:52 (six years ago) link
Beyond being awful on every conceivable level, the racist audience which that flyer is ostensibly trying to reach would never vote for a black candidate in the first place.
― Smoothie Newton (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 December 2017 17:02 (six years ago) link
the racist audience which that flyer is ostensibly trying to reach
It's targeted at black voters according to that article
― President Keyes, Friday, 8 December 2017 17:04 (six years ago) link
what an asshole is how i break it down to some extent
― best display name of 2017 (Noodle Vague), Friday, 8 December 2017 17:15 (six years ago) link
It appears the choice in Alabama is between a well-meaning racist and a virulent capital-R Racist who likes young girls.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Friday, 8 December 2017 17:17 (six years ago) link
negative politics is a bad idea. using voters as props is a bad idea. using this stereotype in particular was a bad idea. this is what they used to justify lynchings.
Democrats are fond of negative politics, i think that's a dangerous thing to combine with identity politics, because they are complicit in the system too and fond of forgetting as much because of all the finger pointing. reflexively they will use a stereotype to make a point. it is far more productive to not lower oneself to such tactics. what good have you done, what good will you try to do as a candidate?
hey the good guy locked away KKK members that bombed a church. wouldn't that make for an interesting flyer? and it's true! and it's about the candidate you are voting for! wouldn't that be a good thing to publicize instead to show that you are on the side of social justice? with negative politicking you trip on your own dick.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 8 December 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link
it's almost like they don't have a compelling, positive, consistent vision of their own to offer
― Simon H., Friday, 8 December 2017 17:56 (six years ago) link
fuck this shitty world
Say increasing diversity makes country betterUS 58%Sweden 36%UK 33%Spain 31%France 26%Germany 26%Greece 10%https://t.co/a2cWnURrvU pic.twitter.com/RTV7Oeq7NA— Conrad Hackett (@conradhackett) December 8, 2017
― Karl Malone, Friday, 8 December 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
https://www.theroot.com/felony-charges-against-deandre-harris-dropped-in-charlo-1821138524?utm_source=theroot_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
― j., Saturday, 9 December 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/12/13/there-was-an-enormous-gap-between-black-evangelical-voters-and-white-evangelical-voters-in-alabama/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.44b35c21178f
Here we have WashPo bending over backwards to write a story about the difference between white evangelicals and black evangelicals in Alabama that doesn't end with "white evangelicals in Alabama are racists"
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
that would be divisive
― all this youthless booty (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
all articles about white evangelicals should include some variation on "white evangelicals are racist" and/or "white evangelicals are the most unabashedly evil motherfuckers on the planet"
― crüt, Thursday, 14 December 2017 18:42 (six years ago) link
good article, tho yeah conclusion just begging to be pointed out
― k3vin k., Thursday, 14 December 2017 21:07 (six years ago) link
Signal boost to this excellent extended audio interview with Karen & Barbara Fields, authors of _Racecraft: The Soul of Inequality in American Life_
The new @thedigradio is lengthy interview revisiting the seminal essay collection Racecraft—talking Coates, Dolezal, BLM, and why we must believe that racism & the economic exploitation that it protects can be defeated—w its authors Barbara & Karen Fields. https://t.co/EF9n5szkMd— Daniel Denvir (@DanielDenvir) December 13, 2017
(Also their book is currently onsale at Verso, and you really should check it out as the ebook is only five bucks American)
― Google Murray Blockchain (kingfish), Thursday, 14 December 2017 23:47 (six years ago) link
http://abcnews.go.com/US/alleged-driver-unite-rally-violence-charlottesville-charged-degree/story?id=51801371&cid=social_twitter_abcn
the guy who drove into the crowd was charged with first-degree murder
― j., Friday, 15 December 2017 06:34 (six years ago) link
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/11/30/567177501/when-miss-meant-so-much-more-how-one-woman-fought-alabama-and-won?utm_campaign=storyshare&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social
In Lebanon, Tenn., when a mayor visited her cell and referred to her as "Mary," Hamilton corrected him. It was Miss Hamilton. Hamilton and Michaels recalled the moment in their oral history: "And if you don't know how to speak to a lady," Hamilton told the mayor, "then get out of my cell."At the time, throughout the '60s, many white people — particularly in positions of authority — refused to use honorifics like "Miss," "Mrs." or "Mr." to refer to black people.
At the time, throughout the '60s, many white people — particularly in positions of authority — refused to use honorifics like "Miss," "Mrs." or "Mr." to refer to black people.
― j., Sunday, 17 December 2017 20:25 (six years ago) link
http://www.businessinsider.com/papa-johns-founder-steps-down-as-ceo-2017-12
― j., Friday, 22 December 2017 01:54 (six years ago) link
http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/58827d07f10a9a23008b947a-1485/screen%20shot%202017-01-20%20at%2035137%20pm.png
this is a good photo
― crüt, Friday, 22 December 2017 06:55 (six years ago) link
what do people think of this (kinda old) article?
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/digital-blackface-reaction-gifs
i was reminded of it because NYT had a similar story today
https://www.nytimes.com/video/arts/100000005615988/the-white-internets-love-affair-with-digital-blackface.html
― the late great, Tuesday, 26 December 2017 23:42 (six years ago) link
I didn’t read the NYT article but I was in favor of the message behind the Teen Vogue article.
― Embalming is a flirty business (DJP), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 03:18 (six years ago) link
teen vogue article expressed something that had bothered me but i was unable to put into words why for years yeah
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 03:57 (six years ago) link
I am very very far from being anyone with standing to talk about this, but I did find it odd that the article talked almost exclusively about the colour aspect and barely at all about the queerness.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 12:16 (six years ago) link
This article is interesting, especially the guy who argues that the quickest way to get much, much stricter gun control laws in the US is for black people to start buying a bunch of guns.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 17:58 (six years ago) link
that's an argument more or less every prominent radical black intellectual has made at one point or another. not sure that I really buy it in 2017 -- the terms of the debate are just not as they were in decades past. not to mention passing gun laws is going to get harder and harder, thanks to our judiciary and supreme court
good piece of journalism, thanks for sharing. I personally do not accept that there is a legitimate reason to own a gun. I'm white btw
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link
There are definitely legit reasons to own a gun, and I fully support black gun ownership even as an organized political platform. Personally, I have no interest in owning a gun, but my long term plan is to move out of the US, so.
― grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
the quickest way to get much, much stricter gun control laws in the US is for black people to start buying a bunch of guns.
do you mean, buying legal guns that can be easily traced if one were used to in a crime?
― sarahell, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
*used in a crime
and whether or not the registered owner of said gun had any knowledge or responsibility of the crime, the racist criminal justice system could fuck up their lives?
― sarahell, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:33 (six years ago) link
I wonder what would happen if a bunch of black people started open carrying at Target
― frogbs, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:36 (six years ago) link
there was a shooting a couple weeks ago in the parking lot of the Target near me. Pretty sure both perp and victim were black.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:38 (six years ago) link
I understand why some people may feel that it is in their best interest to own a gun, particularly recently. it is an irrational belief held by people of all races.
a handful of people interviewed for that article wrestled with that issue, the idea that even though they realized having a gun made them no safer, or even less safe, they felt compelled to own one anyway. it's not my place to judge that individual decision. I'm glad it's not something I have to personally consider
some of them were just run of the mill gun nuts, which in a way was refreshing to read
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link
you could own one and keep it locked in a secure gun safe forever with the expensive silverware and china you inherited when grandma died -- I don't know if that would really do anything as far as safety/increased risk of accidental death ...
― sarahell, Wednesday, 27 December 2017 18:42 (six years ago) link
i think you could find a lot of examples alongside gun ownership where people are rationally aware that the thing they are doing does not protect them but they do it anyway, culture is way deeper than rationality
― a Rambo in curved air (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 27 December 2017 22:35 (six years ago) link
certainly
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 27 December 2017 22:41 (six years ago) link
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/01/15/under-trump-a-hard-test-for-howard-university
found this to be a very interesting read
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 10 January 2018 03:36 (six years ago) link
https://www.theroot.com/charges-dropped-against-only-officer-to-face-criminal-c-1796501125?utm_source=theroot_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow&__twitter_impression=true
sandra bland
― j., Thursday, 18 January 2018 00:54 (six years ago) link
Not that it makes it any less a tragedy, but that seems to be from last year, when The Root was still The Root.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 January 2018 09:57 (six years ago) link
oh, sorry. someone was tweeting it out as new.
― j., Thursday, 18 January 2018 15:02 (six years ago) link
1. First, download and install VRChat on Steam. The game is entirely free-to-play and doesn't actually require a VR headset like its name implies. Oh, and prepare to lose dozens of hours of your life.
2. While installing, begin working on your Ugandan accent. This will come in handy later, as hinted in the video below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=94&v=Hxjofn2bYE
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 18 January 2018 22:15 (six years ago) link
I'm not going to say that I didn't find the early ones kind of funny, or that I don't understand how human nature automatically responds to a phenomenon like VRChat with exactly this kind of role playing, and that if you watch the evolution of the meme on the youtube compilations in chronological order from last december, you can see how it starts off as affectionate surrealism -- ignorant, but more WTF than hateful (the one where someone shows up as Ugandan Knuckles driving a minature tank whie screaming in Russian while the volga boatmen theme plays is amazing) -- then of course it hits meme supernova and the hordes show up. It reminds of me the scene in Bamboozled at the Mantan premiere where the act is so over the top racist that the white audience is stunned speechless, leaving them desperately looking around for cues as to how they're supposed to respond, until Mantan finally lands a genuinely funny joke and gets a mild supportive laugh from the black audience, at which point it becomes 'ok' for everyone to laugh, and then the tone of the laughter changes
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/articles/a-guide-to-finding-da-wae-as-ugandan-knuckles-in-10-easy-steps/85559040/
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/articles/this-is-what-ugandan-knuckles-looks-like-in-real-life/85553266/
― Milton Parker, Thursday, 18 January 2018 22:54 (six years ago) link
https://bittersoutherner.com/dear-disgruntled-white-plantation-visitors-michael-twitty-cooking-gene^ good read
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:44 (four years ago) link
and, if you're unfamiliar with twitty's work, further reading for followup:https://afroculinaria.com/
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:52 (four years ago) link
You can’t learn everything from the crossword section of StormFront.
oh snaps
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 17 September 2019 16:57 (four years ago) link