The nation may survive, but the wound to hope and order will never fully heal - US elections 2016: the october surprises

http://images.onionstatic.com/clickhole/1665/5/16x9/640.jpg

for the record, lenin did not belong on that list

thx caek

Dude must have serious NDAs, given the relative lack of high-profile leaks for a guy who leaves a trail of slime like a slug everywhere he goes.

Senator Bedfellows had nuthin on Trump

Hey guys, been offline for a few hours, excited for the new thread! Hope I didn't miss anything exciting in the interim!

there is obviously a core of "deplorables" who will vote for him no matter what, but a significant fraction (~half?) could in principle be persuaded to stay home or even vote another way. something like "grab the pussy" has to have an effect on more than just undecideds.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuMl0SnXYAAyFA0.jpg:large

NPR led with the worst quote from that leak. Their conservative commentator right now just called this catastrophic, worse than anything else he has said.

i'm sending this video to every trump supporter i know and telling them that voting for him is unacceptable

the third party vote/undecideds were already slowly declining so with this and that he could fall below his vaunted 40% floor nationally

Oh definitely. Of all 5000 controversies Trump has been at the center of since his announcement, this blew up bigger and faster than any. People are MAD. xps

https://www.rt.com/usa/361990-clinton-podesta-emails-wikileaks/

carried over from the other thread because it feels like people are forgetting this:

Alex - I kinda feel like Trump's cratering anyway so ain't denying his chances are basically vanishing daily but I dunno if this is gonna be the individual knockout blow that we think it should be (even though any candidate in previous years coulda been deflated by it, look at Herman Cain - granted those were lawsuits but...).

Trump is currently facing a lawsuit where it is alleged he raped a 13-year-old girl.

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/federal-judge-orders-hearing-in-donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-case/

is there anything actually problematic in the emails or is it just exciting to find out what hillary orders from chipotle? xp

problematic for her lower intestine

A close adviser to Trump told CNN the story is "flat out appalling" and at this point, they can't even begin to guess whether Trump can come back from this.

"This should have never happened. I wish it had never happened. I think I know that men talk this way sometimes, but it's nothing I would ever want to hear or condone or approve of," the adviser said. "My reaction is -- it's appalling. It's just flat out appalling."

This adviser, who did not know that the Post story was coming, described the story as "pretty vulgar" and a part of a "barrage" of unflattering stories Trump has suffered from.

The adviser also said Trump's apology does not go far enough.

"Doing anything other than to say it was a grievous error and he apologizes would be a mistake," the adviser said. "I would take it a step further and own to the words as being offensive -- not 'if.'"

The adviser, clearly exasperated, added: "Another day in Trump world ... I hate it."

a significant fraction (~half?) could in principle be persuaded to stay home or even vote another way. something like "grab the pussy" has to have an effect on more than just undecideds.

can also imagine this partic scandal pushing people towards hillary instead of just away from trump -- "apparently we really fucking DO need a woman president" etc

never been so looking forward to 11/8. this election just makes me *feel* gross

sorry for the jokey clinton/trump image. this is a tape of trump talking about, among other things, sexual assault.

Assange sonned again by actual journalists

xp

Nah, it's fair. They deserve each other xp

Of all 5000 controversies Trump has been at the center of since his announcement, this blew up bigger and faster than any.

I've definitely been wrong about this. I thought he was pretty much inoculated at this point, that anything new would flare up and die down quickly.

problematic for her lower intestine

― ¶ (DJP), Friday, October 7, 2016 6:18 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

NO BLOOD FOR STOOL

xpost I read the story here as my mother was leaving to go to the store. I didn't bring it up, she doesn't keep up on this stuff as quick as me and we just had a hurricane so the news is divided on the radio.

5 minutes later by the time she came home, she was already talking about it.

this is a very interesting email from the podesta collection about hillary strategizing around the iran deal:
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/32

I've definitely been wrong about this. I thought he was pretty much inoculated at this point, that anything new would flare up and die down quickly.

My impression of it is based on Google searches for articles about the story (lots of publications that don't cover the race...pages and pages of them) and having it be mentioned by friends/acquaintences who never say one word about politics. And it didn't creep into the consciousness slowly. It crashed like a meteor.

betting markets moving about as fast toward clinton as they did after the debate right now

amazed that even my friends who just dealt with the storm and aren't really occupied w/ politics at the moment are plastering this thing all over. FB is nonstop this story right now.

xpost holy shit

now top story on the times, ahead of the hurricane, and the word "pussy" is in the story

ny times also printing the word "fuck"

where could one most quickly see the betting market deets

“This is the moment candidates should use to cut ties with Trump,” said Mike Murphy, a Republican strategist. “I recommend Paul come down with a dental emergency tonight.”

who's the lucky one who gets to give it to him

xp https://twitter.com/DavMicRot/status/784519604898967552

Trump dropping out by 10/31 up to 0.10 from 0.00. still not taken too serious by bettors but lol damn.

NBC NIghtly News is running it now. TKO.

i wonder how long the post had this tape. obviously the source has been holding on to it for years, but today (ryan tomorrow, debate sunday) is about as bad as timing could be from trump's POV

Holy shit this story is unreal. horrific really is the word. i honestly don't know where there is to go from here

(xpost) Was wondering the same thing.

Looking forward to hearing from many people. Top of list: Giuliani, Kayleigh McEnany, Jeffrey Lord.

Nightly News aired mostly the unedited quote (with bleeps obv), though they cut out him saying he tried to fuck her, though the "pussy" line was left in.

Giuliani: Come on, are we supposed to believe that's *his* voice? I mean, come on...we've all seen Forrest Gump.

It's incredible, of all the horrid things he's said or done, this is so bereft of nuance, even racist/xenophobic/sexist nuance, that there is just no getting around it. It'd be like a car arguing with a brick wall.

Advisers quoted as saying "there's just no way to spin this"

This was quick:

https://mobile.twitter.com/jackallisonLOL/status/784515366995099648

it just makes me think of....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMb9OuDR-0I

not the cliched "world burn" line, the one about "they turned to someone they didn't completely understand"

Assange latest leak getting zero coverage. Journalism: 1, Fugitive Rapist Hacker Shitbag: 0

This is the point at which most famous people would apologize and then check themselves into rehab.

Also, it's fun that the _one_ thing he'll instinctively come back with(attacking Bill by proxy) is shit she's been sorting for about 18+ years

The only possible spin is that the tape is false
He's done, this piece of shit is finished

ohhhhh shit
https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/784520474193780737

the Washington Post being responsible for Trump's destruction is some sweeeeeetass revenge

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/07/excerpts-of-hillary-clintons-paid-speeches-to-goldman-sachs-finally-leaked/

lol who gives a fuck

well, the shit she is quoted as saying does suck royal balls, but lol at this getting any traction now.

no smoking gun/shocking comments - inconsequential, nobody cares, and it's going to be buried

speeches are pretty innocuous if that's the worst the intercept could excerpt from them - pretty much exactly what i expected them to be. banal and friendly w/ her audience in finance

^^^

this is what Ashley Judd replaced the deleted tweet with:

https://twitter.com/AshleyJudd/status/784522298342707200

in a way I kinda hate and like this being the thing that ends him. I do like the thought that a comment like this would actually elicit the proper revulsion in men too (esp cos I hear talk like this defended way too often), but I hate that it will get spun "our only shot at prosperity was ruined because of a scandal he foolishly caused, if not for that, he would have been the most amazing President!"

I'll hate it for all of the two seconds it takes to breathe a sigh of relief that this asshole has lost.

next to "Grab 'em by the pussy" those speech quotes are the weakest of weak sauce

yeah, I mean the comments suck in that *I disagree with them* and they illustrate her barely left of center status, but nothing is game changing in there, and wouldn't have been even without today's bombshell(s)

I am embarrassed by how hard I laughed at that video in kingfish's link

PredictWise up to 84%!

wiki leaks inadvertent trolling the alt right w these basically empty reveals is pretty good imo.

xxp same, woke my dog up.

"HIllary...clearly they leaned on meteorologists to amplify the threat of Hurricane Matthew so that Floridians would be glued to their televisions, then told them to call off the hurricane warnings right in time for everybody to see this on their television. It's corruption! And in Florida, one of the battleground states" - someone will trot this out, and I will claim my $5

the slowed down one killed me. ded dedded

I do have to say "leaked speeches contain exactly what you think would be in them" isn't quite as attention-grabbing as "major party candidate brags about failed attempt to sleep with married woman, then jokes about using his fame to fondle women's genitalia"

xpost lol chopped n skrewed

omg what if this is the least of what they're still sitting on for the next few weeks

as surprising as this was it does seem easily possible, if not probable, for worse to be out there

https://twitter.com/cliffordlevy/status/784522782193356800

"here is video of Trump actually executing one of his security guards with the help of his hired goons. When pressed for comment, Rudy Giuliani stated - 'Oh now what?'"

is kingfish's vid legit or a 'fan edit'

I would bet there's worse to come, yeah

Legit wondering what Ryan is going to say tomorrow at their joint event

lol that's a total fan edit Neanderthal

xp

video released today shows trump preparing toxins with which he describes in a long, rambling speech he plans to dump into the city's water to kill all citizens and cackles that batman can't stop him now

I predict joint event does not happen - someone pulls out etc.

Ryan is going to have car trouble and then his credit card will be declined by uber

Legit wondering what Ryan is going to say tomorrow at their joint event

I predict joint event does not happen - someone pulls out etc.

― Οὖτις, Friday, October 7, 2016 7:03 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

advice Trump could have abided by

How hard do you think Ryan is Crossfitting right now just to burn everything off? Like 36 hours of accumulated adrenaline/cortisol/ norepinephrine/stress/panic/everything else?

where on the hill does do he crossfit at? i could bike over there and investigate..

also uh HOW DID THE RNC NOT SEE THIS COMING the guy has a history of years and years and years of offensive comments in print and on tape

after this u might just catch him out on the streets flipping smart cars over.

I see literally no upside for anyone who would like to have a future in politics to endorse or continue to endorse him at this point. Which is kinda handy because I think this is the tipping point where you'll be able to decisively tell the venal opportunists fleeing the sinking ship from the true human vomit that continues to stand by Trump after this.

I think Christie might be the only person who has an upside. Like that remaining 15% Bayesian probability Trump has of being president is his federal pardon.

will anyone unendorse him now other than campaigning senators? everyone else is just going to disappear, right?

CNN has their first Trump surrogate on--Scottie Hughes, a woman--and her response is that Trump's words 11 years ago aren't as damning as HRC's actions in office.

Not really flying with host or other panelists.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuM6QypW8AAHSBy.jpg

go on...

Lewandowski on CNN: "He speaks from he heart...he speaks the way many people speak around the dining room table."

in a way I kinda hate and like this being the thing that ends him. I do like the thought that a comment like this would actually elicit the proper revulsion in men too (esp cos I hear talk like this defended way too often), but I hate that it will get spun "our only shot at prosperity was ruined because of a scandal he foolishly caused, if not for that, he would have been the most amazing President!"

I'll hate it for all of the two seconds it takes to breathe a sigh of relief that this asshole has lost.

― Neanderthal, Saturday, October 8, 2016 12:51 AM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^ This is how I feel. Glad as the next person this probably (..) finishes him off for good. But why hasnt all his racist bullshit not finished him off already? That kind of depresses me.

seriously what did the GOP leadership think was going to happen this fall once he was nominated
did they think research people would not find what they found. wonder if it was targeted/timed oppo research from the democrats and what comes next because this can't be all they have.

i recall this mini twitter drama in the primaries when GOP consultant rick wilson kept cryptically alluding to some highly damaging Thing on video that would destroy a campaign, and today he's saying there is worse stuff than these comments out there.

he speaks the way many people speak around the dining room table

wtf dining room tables has lewandowski been sitting at

why hasnt all his racist bullshit not finished him off already? That kind of depresses me.

^^^^ cosign

Michele Bachmann being more obtuse than usual on Hardball right now.

rick wilson hints there's worse coming
https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/784527874179018752

the GOP must just really suck at opposition research without russia's help. they couldn't dig anything like this up themselves back before/during the primaries, and even cruz had apparently no inkling things like this were coming and that endorsement might be an ... unforced error.

christian trump fans might not care about abusing women but are they still down on adultery? that's one of their big ones. or it used to be anyway.

Joy Reid killing Bachmann live on air.

ted's busy reminiscing about the good ol days on twitter

Ted Cruz Retweeted
Jake Tapper ‏@jaketapper 4h4 hours ago
On this day in 2003, California @GovernorDavis was recalled by voters, paving the way for Gov @Schwarzenegger

Ted Cruz Retweeted
Jake Tapper ‏@jaketapper 4h4 hours ago
on this day in 1985, Palestinian terrorists hijacked the Italian cruise ship Achille Lauro. They would murder passenger Leon Klinghoffer.

their entire thing is sanctity of marriage - it's like the biggest thing they have xxp

They're down on Democrats and thats it.

They have no actual moral underpinning, as this election has made clear.

Access: Hollywood just revealed that the woman Trump was talking about trying to fuck was former A:H host Nancy O'Dell.

Daaaaang

@JebBush As the grandfather of two precious girls, I find that no apology can excuse away Donald Trump's reprehensible comments degrading women.

No need for the first seven words there, Jeb

@AnnCoulter Trump has a potty mouth. Meanwhile, the senior statesman of the Dem party is a serial rapist.

Check please.

Theres gotta be a tape out there of Trump saying the n-word

don't wanna go looking for that one

cnn's media reporter (stelter) just said on the air that producers at access hollywood (nbc) found the tape when they saw a report about trump's behavior (AP?) on set elsewhere and started going through their archives to see what they had re his interactions behind the scenes. *but* apparently someone at nbc leaked it to the washington post to ensure the tape got seen, because access hollywood/nbc was still deciding what they were going to do with it..

also believe stelter said nothing more like this was coming from this program but seemed to be carefully choosing his words in that.. who knows if there IS more damaging material from offset of other shows he's been on

Can't wait for the tape of him calling someone a cunt

Maybe this has been mentioned--the Ryan appearance was also supposed to involve Preibus and Scott Walker.

haha i just checked https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/

Kudos to many us media org's explicitly calling Trump out, pointing to the fact that his 'apology' was not an apology at all.

xp looool caek

i remember in the 2008 campaign the o'reilly factor producers caused a HUGE thing at fox news when they aired greenroom footage of jesse jackson saying some things about then-senator obama. as in, fox news themselves had to do a fair amount of PR/cleanup over airing it - because it seemed there was some critical policy that had been crossed in using footage where jackson was not aware he was being recorded and/or expected any conversations he had off air would remain private.

so i wonder if nbc dragged their feet over some policy regarding using footage where the subject was on set but expecting it was a private conversation and not being recorded or retained. but i mean.. he's running for president

Surprised it took this long for audio like this to emerge. Weird that a Bush was involved.

https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/784534676220370944

https://twitter.com/willrahn/status/784501181464846340

BUSH COMPOUND, DECEMBER 2015 —

JEB: We must stop Trump. Any ideas?

GWB: Nope

GHWB: Sorry no

BILLY: Nope, no idea, nothing, zilch, zero

the "pussy" comment is getting the most attention but the most chilling quote by far imo is "when you're a star they let you"

of course the quote in foxnews.com headline (about six stories down the page) is "they let you do it" jfc

cnn liveshot of trump tower as the team is upstairs 'huddling' and trying to figure out how to address this XD

on msnbc they are directly calling the behavior trump talks about committing on the tape "sexual assault." Good.

'faked alien invasion'

http://www.theonion.com/article/trump-i-know-was-pretty-bad-lets-just-say-youre-go-54130

:-)

I hope this means the democrats take back the senate. I am daring to dream about the house.

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/784533853004242944

I mean

It's crazy that he was 59 when he made these comments and not 17

House would mean, what, PVI of D+9 relative to 2012?

Idk but if all republican women stay home magical things could happen. There is no precedent for the candidate being outed as a predator.

True enough!

Thats not gonna happen

Xp

I hope this means the democrats take back the senate. I am daring to dream about the house.

if everyone keeps working hard - volunteer and get out the vote!! do not forget the downticket! close senate races in NV, NH, PA, NC etc

Trump lady on CNN bringin' up wikileaks to no avail.

haven't caught up on these threads but the donald seems to be tanking. cnn is finally being critical of him and 538 has his polls-only odds at 20%. hillz seems to be slowly rolling out the 'surprises' which aren't surprising at all. panic mode over.

omg is sean hannity on tonight? what is hannity going to do

Charlie Sykes was on All In talking about the Wisconsin event tomorrow. It won't be canceled—it's actually an event Trump was invited to attend—but Trump will likely be disinvited behind the scenes.

Grudging credit to Kayleigh McEnany for not hedging. She didn't say he had to step aside or anything, but neither did she rationalize or explain or anything close: said the fake apology wasn't enough, had to apologize "to the American people" unambiguously, had to "humble himself." Scottie Hughes has now replaced her as the most odious Trump mouthpiece--she seems to be suggesting that the timing is part of a conspiracy to distract from Wikileaks.

lmao how dare they leak damaging material to distract from our damaging material

Hmm, what happens if he starts his debate Sunday by apologizing convincingly?

hahahaha

As a "Mrs. Robinson" lover, Ana Navarro's "Paul Ryan, our lonely eyes turn to you" was a little hard to take. (She's calling for Trump to drop out.)

tbh the rapid statement from the Trump campaign seems kinda foolish at this point, they might have put out a real apology with his name on it if they had waited long enough to see how bad this was for him

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/590605572040486912

#grabbedbythepussy trending on twitter

https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/784548458267017217

Sopan Deb is tweeting about Jon Huntsman calling on Trump to drop out of the race and let Pence take over as republican's presidential candidate. is it possible for him to do that? (i.e. does Pence automatically become the candidate if Trump stands down? would it vary from state to state?) Is there any chance that Trump would actually do this? (if there really is even uglier stuff waiting to come out I suppose he might decide to cut his losses?)

i'm positive there's tape of him using racial slurs and much harsher language.

i think it gets insanely messy to the point of impossibility if trump drops out

Pence wouldn't particularly be a better option at this point. hasn't had any time to endear himself with voters, some of Trump's base would just stay home in protest, and well independent/non-partisan view of the party is going to be pretty low.

imo just let Hillary run unopposed

The fix is in! Chemtrails, vaccines made of the chemtrail drug, and media slander of Donald Trump.
--Jill Stein

i was expecting/had hoped the line would be drawn a year and a half ago and don't fully understand why it seems to be here, but let's hope this is indeed it ffs

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/299942-ryan-cuts-trump-from-wisconsin-event

Predictwise jumped another point

“I am sickened by what I heard today. Women are to be championed and revered, not objectified. I hope Mr. Trump treats this situation with the seriousness it deserves and works to demonstrate to the country that he has greater respect for women than this clip suggests. In the meantime, he is no longer attending tomorrow’s event in Wisconsin," Ryan said in a statement.

do go on

still endorses him for the office of president

"objectified" is rather understating it

I think the ballots are long past being finalized in all districts, so if Mike Pence were to become the GOP candidate he would have to win in a write-in campaign. Which is LOOOOOOOOOL

Anything in the wikileaks dump or is it just more nothing?

this vox article says that it's theoretically possible because voters are technically voting for their state's representative at the Electoral College rather than a particular candidate:

http://www.vox.com/2016/9/12/12887632/if-presidential-nominee-drops-out

I guess it's still unlikely Trump will drop out, but who knows what other stuff there is on film

"objectified" is rather understating it

― jmm, Friday, October 7, 2016 9:22 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seriously.

Funny hearing Gerald Ford's name get dragged into all of this.

Yeah, I wish I could look in on Hannity tonight.

have the allegations that Trump raped a 13 year old girl in the 90s had much coverage in the US media? I'd seen a few articles about it here in the UK, but looking at social media there seem to be quite a few people finding out about it for the first time in the aftermath of this video, and sharing details of the lawsuit?

it doesn't seem like much of anything thus far - chatter that there are some faked documents in there, i don't know whether or not this is accurate, but it really doesn't seem like much. now, if this were a lull in the news cycle when the press is waiting for something to put in a headline, maybe, but not right now

wikileaks seems to have a poor sense of what affects u.s. politics

i briefly looked at a certain reddit board which was busy ignoring the main subject on the news rn and trying to find something scandalous in the emails, and what they found was.. an email where clinton's campaign manager asks their lawyers if it's possible to get a pro-clinton pac to provide them a copy of a book. ?? so he's asking... the lawyers.. um.. to see if there's a legal way to do this. scandalous? i guess? idk

oops xpost - that was re wiki dump

@Yamiche
Source tells me RNC officials are meeting in DC to discuss what options the party has going forward in case Trump isn't nominee.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuNYwpJXgAA8G07.jpg

this vox article says that it's theoretically possible because voters are technically voting for their state's representative at the Electoral College

Surely they're bound by some kind of bylaw to vote for the name printed on the ballot because the amount of lawsuits filed would be astronomical.

Yeah, I wish I could look in on Hannity tonight.

I can't even hate watch Sean Hannity, but I'd guess it will be wall-to-wall Wikidump.

Well, that is news, right? That Trump is a pig, that's so oooooold. Move on, liberals. He said he was sorry.

Gunna be a fun weekend

That's so brave of Cruz to step forward. He can unendorse the endorsement that superseded his unendorsement at the convention.

checked out the washington times to see what take on this my dad would be seeing

'In the recordings released Friday, Mr. Trump pontificated about the fringe benefits that go along with the limelight.'

wtf this "wives and daughters" rhetoric? why does someone need to be a wife or a daughter to be treated with respect?

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--6g6u8v-1--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ntdnt5vlxkxcvuremz6b.gif

Core Republican value: A woman's value is always and only in relation that of a man's.

seriously. paul ryan's claim to "revere" women is just the other side of the coin of trump's misogyny. it's all male chauvinism. neither one just sees women as ordinary people.

It wouldn't surprise me if Trump drops out of the debate Sunday.

i don't think so. he's too shameless for that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/07/theres-no-longer-any-way-for-republicans-to-boot-donald-trump-from-the-ballot/

What about the hurricane? The hurricane! Trump has to head to Florida to take care of his house and talk with victims!

paul ryan is doing a great deal of math tonight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thYfdBWUSbo

this is a good ad. i love the eerie music.

(xposts) You might be right, but I just can't see him doing that--it would be officially conceding the election. Which looks to be beyond salvageable anyway, but where do you go after dropping out of a debate? Continue talking about how tough you're going to be with ISIS?

No way does Trump willingly quit the race, and pretty much no way they force him out. Remember all the shit talked 6 months ago about brokered conventions and the party not letting him take the nom?

Honestly, any of his supporters who are coming out against this can go get fucked. There's nothing about this that's the slightest bit surprising or out of character based on what we all know about this turd. He's a piece of trash, there was never any valid reason for anyone to support him or to help him worm his way into the position he's in now. Every one of you who enabled him deserves to be inexorably lashed to him as he sinks in his own shit and to never have anything resembling a respectable career again. May god have mercy on your souls.

(Trump/Pence 2016, make America great again.)

GOP is gonna use mob tactics instead

The key part of the WAPO link above is the remembrance of what the party did with Dole in 1996. Cut losses and focused on the congress.

God this is like watching a 72 hour extended cut of the last hour of Scarface

Old Lunch 100% otm

yep

it's amazing what a pathetic loser billy bush is

Rick Wilson goes ham

http://heatst.com/politics/for-trumps-congressional-backers-hell-is-empty-and-all-the-demons-are-here/

now's the time for the Dems to start getting license quotes for "Stand By Your Man" for use in attack ads

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuNhSKyWAAACKFB.jpg

as someone not related to mexicans, these statements are repugnant

huh, i didn't know mitch mcconnell was a father of daughters. i had been told he was a freshwater oyster.

lol Treesh

"as the owner of a 1984 Pontiac Sunbird, abortion is immoral and repulsive"

https://twitter.com/walterkirn/status/784576296542167041

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuNh0VUWcAAYvxr.jpg:small

i still support him, but it's his burden and his alone

this is like the year of the coward or something

obviously not real but did wikileaks really publish it? xxp

i can't find it if they did. thinking kirn just made it up.

wtf this "wives and daughters" rhetoric? why does someone need to be a wife or a daughter to be treated with respect?

First, it's the American Way. Second, it's pretty damned hard to be a woman of any description without being a daughter. Third, you are right, of course, and everyone deserves at least some measure of respect just on the basis of their humanity, even Donald Trump, but this respect is subject to various disclaimers.

some ppl are orphans idk. in any case, the issue here isn't even "disrespect" because trump is talking about sexual assault.

There's nothing about this that's the slightest bit surprising or out of character based on what we all know about this turd.

I wouldn't say I find it surprising, but there is something jarring about this recording. I wonder if the difference in this case--the reason people are talking about it as something that could end his chances of winning, unlike his record of misogyny so far--is purely a matter of the content of what he said or if there's something additionally disturbing about its having been said in private. It's creepy in a different way from his more public shittiness, and that could be a turnoff for people who have supported him up to now.

idea of it being more damaging because it was said in private is interesting, didn't he recently try to wriggle out of some boorish thing he'd said on TV a decade or so ago by claiming that he had been "in character" as Donald Trump, host of The Apprentice, distinct from Donald Trump the real person?

Come on, don't be so PC, Trump is just telling it like it is.

xps jmm otm, the private aspect of it is what makes it so creepy - he swears, his voice is pitched differently, and yes there has to be more...

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-crotchgrabber?mbid=social_facebook

when Trump comes out on Sunday, is "The Whisper Song" going to be his entrance music

perhaps it's easy to see how gratuitous it is. and then he steps off the bus and suddenly in 'normal' mode, with billy bush saying hey cmon hug this guy. it's not like anything about his fakey public persona is less than 100% obvious to everybody, but somehow it is still possible to underline that he may be even worse than you expect, when the public face is off.

wtf this "wives and daughters" rhetoric? why does someone need to be a wife or a daughter to be treated with respect?

yeah. patriarchy. i hope one day we can stop speaking this way, that women are defined by their relationship to a man & value always dependent on this

http://i.imgur.com/J4VDUyC.jpg

trump releasing a 'video statement' tonight & waiting to see this b/c i'm sure it's going to be creepy and terrible and make things worse somehow

there's something additionally disturbing about its having been said in private

just this week he was trying to excuse away his comments on women's bodies by claiming to be playing a character:

“But a lot of that was done for the purpose of entertainment,” Trump continued. “I can tell you this: There is nobody — nobody — that has more respect for women than I do.”

The private nature of this recording is key. He cant handwave it away as playing along with Howard Stern or just being entertaining or appealing to an audience. This is who he really is.

from cnn:

Asked about the reaction at a campaign field office, a Trump field staffer told CNN there were "gasps. Collective gasps. We're trying to get our heads around it right now, but there's no way to spin this. There just isn't."
The staffer, who is also paying close attention to Senate efforts, also added, unsolicited: "Just think of the down-ballot effect. Brutal."
A GOP operative in Ohio voiced similar sentiments.
"This is bad. I think this thing is over," the staffer said.

yeah, and surprise surprise it's even worse than the chauvinistic "character" xp

this is very satisfying xp

the creepiest part of the video is when they get off the bus and meet the soap opera star who they had just been leering at. she is being polite and pleasant but billy bush eggs her on to give donald a hug.

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/784570301711544320

Are there seriously people who believe this?

That "real women" look up to men who sexually assault them, and the only people who turn their faces away are lowly worm-men without the mojo to grab life by the pussy? And bitter lesbians I guess?

I think I would respect Paul Ryan more if he just said, "The guy is a moral monster but I don't care, he's a Republican, and my job is to elect Republicans. It's not like he's not gonna sexually assault people as President any more than he would in his current job. Probably less, in fact."

no xp

lol @ trying to get their heads around it, can't really say i've struggled with cognition when a boorish person acts boorish

I kinda love that a Bush is involved in this. Both because lol irony + I would fully expect someone w the name Billy Bush to be a toadying lickspittle.

xpost re twitter dude, i really don't think it's worth spending time/energy thinking for a second about what that guy believes or why he believes it tbh. seems like another case of the internet enabling people to make $$$ for being jerks

Kool Keith for Presidetn

self described alpha males terrified that respect for women will make their mustaches fall off and fedoras evaporate.

I think this angle has legs

https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/784580118207422465?s=09

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51SFgWaIgmL._SX425_.jpg

just listening to some tunes while i wait for more news

lol it's more convincing than the ryan/mccain "hate the sinner, not his presidential bid" approach xp

trump is apparently going to drop some video response tonight

I want to get off the internet but this is too riveting.

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwac.450f.edgecastcdn.net%2F80450F%2Fthefw.com%2Ffiles%2F2012%2F08%2FMichael-Jackson-Popcorn.gif&f=1

wtf this "wives and daughters" rhetoric? why does someone need to be a wife or a daughter to be treated with respect?

First, it's the American Way. Second, it's pretty damned hard to be a woman of any description without being a daughter. Third, you are right, of course, and everyone deserves at least some measure of respect just on the basis of their humanity, even Donald Trump, but this respect is subject to various disclaimers.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 8 October 2016 02:39 (thirty-seven minutes ago) Permalink

oh come the fuck on. patriarchy, people. it's for real and yes it needs smashing.

I'm at intermission at a performance of Rhinoceros as we speak; very apposite.

walter kirn is super weird. he thinks this brony transcript is real. cannot be bothered to notice that it doesn't exist on wikileaks or apparently anywhere else on the internet.

you all realize why prepping this video statement is taking all this time (and why it is a video statement)

advisors are having a really, really hard time convincing trump that he did something wrong plus another degree of challenge convincing him to express anything like regret for his behavior and they sure as hell can't get him to say this to the media in person

paul ryan is doing a great deal of math tonight

― mookieproof, Friday, October 7, 2016 9:59 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

such furious math, in so little time

they're recording it over and over until it sounds passably sincere imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM6fQ52YZoM

well with Lewandowski saying "we're not electing a Sunday school teacher", let's just say he's probably getting conflicting advice.

Bill Mitchell @mitchellvii

Megyn Keelly: "No man should ever make these comments about a woman!"

Just curious Megs, what do YOU say when it's just you girls?

bingo

"i just yank on their dicks, they just let me do it"

like seriously if any dumbass male thinks there's a female counterpart to this behavior, geez. this isn't even normal behavior for dudes.

that's the total package, really

yeah, the whole idea that this is just the way guys talk is ludicrous

xp

I mean I wouldn't act like I ain't participated in dirty guy talk but like huge gulf between "would smash" and "hey man I just sexually assault women cos I own hotels so they let me"

you probably weren't 59 years old at the time

https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/784588914195652608

Is it too much to hope that not only does this destroy his candidacy and his reputation forever, but that Melania begins divorce proceedings?

statement is out

holy shit attacking bill

lol this is too hilarious this statement he is reading poorly and insincerely off teleprompter

https://www.predictit.org/Ticker/TRUMP.DROPOUT.103116#data

lol

"let's be honest. we're living in the real world and this is nothing more than a distraction..."

"these words don't reflect who I am. I was having a normal convo with Billy Bush and I thought of what Bill Clinton said on the golf course and I just repeated it subconsciously"

Link?

they just played it on cnn

boy is his base gonna be mad that he apologized AGAIN

to even it out he has to insult twice as many people tomorrow

Well, that video was a disaster.

Transcript:

"Please forgive me
And forget it
I was wrong
And I admit it

Why can't we talk it over?
Why can't we forget about
Forget about the past

When love makes a sound babe
This heart needs a second chance
Don't say it's over
I just can't say goodbye"

my takeaway: it's a distraction and bill is worse. i'm sorry okay let's forget about it.

Yep, otm.

almost as bad as his son calling waterboarding "hazing"

Bemused that this, of all mornings, was the day the neighbor put up a Trump sign (the 2nd one in the neighborhood).

Counting the sniffles this time. At least ten.

So, it's the 8th... Feel like it will take a week to convince Trump to quit, then clusterfuck of trying to sort out the new ticket and running mate.... Feels there's not really enough time

can't help but think of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SqM1VX2qlc

i really don't think he's going to drop out

he jumps right into saying there's a difference because bill clinton has actually abused women (sure if you believe right wing conspiracy books).

prob will be not long before numerous women who trump has assaulted start coming forward right? because there are allegations and lawsuits already, just underreported

I have been catching up on all this over the last half hour and I have been laughing like crazy the entire time.

forget it, he's staying in to the bitter end. he's got too many yes men and women around him.

Don't forget Cruz endorsed two days before the debate

Resignation? It won't happen, but the rush by Republicans up for election to jettison any connection to Trump does make it feel like his campaign just exploded. I still predict Trump will get at least 100 more electoral college votes than Walter Mondale did, which outcome should make this country hang its head in shame.

there's no way he's dropping out. i'm not even clear based on what I've read whether the votes already cast would just 'carry over' since we vote for the electoral college, but America barely knows Pence or Kaine, and outside of the GOP base, independents and undecideds would barely have any time to get to know him, and now he's sullied by being "2nd in command to the pussy guy".

and, he would have to willingly step down, which would be the ultimate non-Trump thing (failing, voluntarily, on a public stage).

at this point, they're just going to concede the Presidency is lost (as they were kinda already doing after the convention) and give him Bob Dole treatment and hope to salvage downticket.

Oh.

My.

God.

Oh my god.

The apology video....wow....I can't believe it, he's so fucking stupid

That fucking video. He looked borderline furious the entire time and not the slightest bit contrite or apologetic. But tbf I can't really say how I'd react if I were in his shoes, with someone obviously holding a gun off-camera and forcing me to read insane words that did nothing but spray accelerant all over the tire fire that I call my professional life.

PredictWise up to 86% Dem now lol

nope, now back to 85

it's weird people didn't act as horrified when he said that he would punish women for having abortions, or desecrating muslim corpses, or doing waterboarding and "a lot worse," or claiming the central park five were still guilty even after the acquital or or or

Liking the late-80s NYC public access vibe to the video, though.

never in a million years did I imagine an election campaign like this. Lord.

Delivered after midnight EST what a bizaro clusterfuck

lol xp

tavis smiley vibes

it's alright, things will be back to equilibrium when WikiLeaks reveals tomorrow that Hillary had a pirated copy of Windows 95

He's preparing for his next career as a 3AM infomercial host.

i still think this whole thing is going to end with some revelation of criminal corporate malfeasance, landing him in prison

it's weird people didn't act as horrified when he said that he would punish women for having abortions, or desecrating muslim corpses, or doing waterboarding and "a lot worse," or claiming the central park five were still guilty even after the acquital or or or

― Treeship, Saturday, October 8, 2016 12:29 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not really. The candor of it is key. Viscerally disgusting. Rest is theater.

treesh, America's puritanism runs very deep, so that talking about trying to fuck some married (white) women not long after marrying a different woman is seen as a greater crime than waterboarding muslims or desecrating their corpses. one cannot even begin to justify this fact, but it is a fact nonetheless.

I'm still worried about some of his base resorting to violence after his inevitable loss. I can't imagine it'd happen on a grand scale, but, idk, the people that vote for this man are like a new entry in the DSM-V

Jamelle BouieVerified account
‏@jbouie
My takeaway from this election really is that with a little polish, the GOP could win the presidency on a platform of white nationalism.

this is annoying me, i mean of course they would but it isn't a contest between racism and misogyny? i think there's an uncanny valley with both where if the language gets too r-rated it's suddenly unacceptable. i think the racist equiv is straight-up saying the n-word. if there's one thing americans can get behind it's turning their noses at the explicit language while basically espousing the philosophy the language stands for. actually going right ahead and expressing the animus is what's prohibited. that's the reason why he's being told off by the "respectable" gop, not because they disagree in any meaningful way, and that kind of hypocritical nose-turning is even more odious imo.

"Grab her by the pussy" is the great shadow twin of "Make America Great Again," you can put it on a hat

https://twitter.com/cuffymeh/status/784610543663456257

I'm still worried about some of his base resorting to violence after his inevitable loss. I can't imagine it'd happen on a grand scale, but, idk, the people that vote for this man are like a new entry in the DSM-V

― Neanderthal, Saturday, October 8, 2016 12:35 AM (fifty-nine seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No, they've always been around.

map otm

While watching that "apology" video I kept hearing Mark E Smith growling "hey there fuckface, hey there fuckface"

There have been times over the past year when I wished Trump would like pass away in his sleep or something but I have to admit that I'm starting to see the upside of him living a long life replete with numerous acts of self-immolation.

it would be fucked up if he was replaced at this point and the republicans got to "save face" in the end in some way

these motherfuckers could have distanced themselves from him months ago but they didn't because, as map said, they don't actually care about women or minorities or responsible governance

yeah, if Pence manages to pull a "reasonable Republican" face out of this, fuck him sooooooooo much.

https://twitter.com/jess7bennett/status/784557297657847808

omg scottie telling navarra not to say pussy because it's offensive and navarra blasting her that she finds it offensive now but not when trump said it

can't tell you how may times this election i've heard mark e smith asking who makes the nazis

Pence will call this "regrettable" or some such bullshit.

Haha

Xp

Regrettable. foolish . unfortunate . I don't condone . "Warts"

So does Trump have any events tomorrow? Would be amazing and even more damaging to see him out doing his nofmal rally schrick while all this is caving in. Plus with the crowd on his side, he will absolutely not be able to resist commenting on this in some even stupider way. "So now they're trying to show this tape, this very little and not important tape, and say, Oh! Donald! it's such a bad thing you've said and - because really, folks, it was really nothing and they have, I don't know, they say I maybe said some sentences but now they don't really know, but what is true is that I love women. I love them. And they love me! The women are loving me and this campaign and the polls...." etc etc

god I'd give anything to have heard the call between Ryan and Trump tonight

So does Trump have any events tomorrow?

He was gonna be at a fair in Elkhorn, WI with Paul Ryan and Scott Walker but now Mike Pence is subbing for him

xps to self, like right in the middle of him talking about china or the media or regulations. it's going to happen. even if the first lines of the prepared remarks are another gunpoint apology. his stream of consciousness will take him there.

my bold prediction: things are going to get very ugly in the Sunday debate

i bet trump brings it up early himself, then pivots to attacking bill clinton immediately. And since they've been signaling the bill clinton attack for two whole weeks, Hillary probably has like 5 different prepared answers ready

re debate, hillary is more than prepared for this and it'll probably go like the first debate wherein trump makes an ass of himself and hrc is like shrug. she has been dealing with horrible men her whole life

that "attack bill" shit has to be coming directly from trump, right? A political pro would have be insane to think that re-litigating the impeachment is a good strategy

Trump got gradually agitated that time, he's going to start at high anxiety levels to begin this one. he might try to strangle an audience member at this point

xpost

i remember treesh predicted months ago that bill clinton's affairs would become part of this campaign. good prognostication.

the multiple charges of harassment and sexual assault against Trump have been around this whole cycle, even if most mainstream outlets have generally chosen not to foreground them. I feel it's inevitable that those stories are the major news focus for the next two weeks, right?

The intriguing question for me is just what note HRC will try to strike. She's not especially good at striking the right note, but in this case close will probably be more than good enough, given how badly Trump will perform. There's no way he will come out poised and smooth. He's going to be a total head case right from the start.

thank god for the person who leaked this piece.

yeah, that person is a fucking hero, NBC dithering on this shit is ridiculous

Did we mention that in response to the AP story about Trump sexism on the set of The Apprentice,

"These outlandish, unsubstantiated, and totally false claims fabricated by publicity hungry, opportunistic, disgruntled former employees, have no merit whatsoever," said Hope Hicks, Trump's campaign spokeswoman.

the timing on this release was insanely good. i think it actually dropped just as Matthew was heading out of FLA a bit and obv long before it hits NC.

don't think she used enough adjectives xpost

also the dems have to go hard on that tape still, the apology is for the words used, the tape has him describing his actions. two different things.

actually can you imagine, having this on your hard drive? making the phone call to the washington post? it must have been one exhilarating moment.

you guys don't think it obv came from the clinton campaign?

GQ’s Profile of Hope Hicks Tells Us a Lot About Trump’s View of Women

Hicks, a 27-year-old with no prior political experience, breeds fascination amongst reporters. She found her way to the Donald’s side by way of a P.R. and modeling gig for his daughter Ivanka’s clothing line. An eye-blink later, she’s helping her boss chastise the Pope, smear a female reporter, and avoid all substantive discussion with the press.

Is it faintly chauvinistic to say of Hicks, as one unnamed political spokesperson did in an interview with Nuzzi, that she’s essentially clueless—that “She is going to regret everything she’s said and done” in choosing to work for Trump, “And I don’t think she knows it yet”?

Yeah I figured before this broke he'd be trying his best to stay subdued and maybe say a couple coherent policy statements and it might look like a comeback even if he was just as much of a clueless asshole 80% of the time. But now, this is the encroaching awareness of public humiliation on a grand scale, the grandest, it's beautiful, and there's no way he could maintain the facade of calm for a minute.

also, now if by some miracle he does maintain calm and seems "presidential," it doesn't matter, there's no way that's the story.

since he's a teetotaler he can't rely on the "I have an addiction that makes me act out" line either

this is the encroaching awareness of public humiliation on a grand scale, the grandest, it's beautiful

it is, it is

he is going to bring up juanita broaddrick and tell hillary, point blank, that she is married to a literal rapist. he might try to make it more personal by saying that she "sleeps next to a rapist" or something. all of this will be sanctioned by conway and the other leaders of the trump campaign because dragging the clintons down -- establishing an "equivalency" -- is the only hope they have of avoiding a humiliating electoral blowout

at the debate that is. this is going to get fucked up because trump is a rat and he's cornered.

Nicholas Kristof
3 hrs ·

We've posted my Sunday column online early, because it tells the story of a Trump business partner who recounts how Trump tried to force himself on her--once, in Ivanka's bedroom. Her key quote tells the story: "He name-dropped continuously...when he wasn't groping me." This is the man who may be our next president.

nyti.ms/2dLMFdJ (this is paywalled so I dunno what it says but it's nice to see a pileon)

Him being a teetotaler has got to be bullshit. Dude gives off serious amphetamine vibes. Prob using coke now, too

you guys don't think it obv came from the clinton campaign?

she "sleeps next to a rapist" or something

you can't saw the hillary campaign hasn't had plenty of lead time on coming up with good responses but still i have no idea how she'll react if he says that. will she defend bill? will she just turn it back on donald? will she look hurt? or amused?

idk but the pundits will overfocus on her reaction and it's going to be cruel and horrible

she'll probably say "come on, we all know my husband's an asshole by now" to massive laughter

i think if she could get a good cry out of this she would be golden for quite a while

obviously that goes against her whole story but that's why it would kill

no way. the media will overfocus on her reaction -- some with hostility, more with faux sympathy -- and it will be a huge distraction away from trump. her best bet is to remain poised like last time.

did we mention that chaffetz has withdrawn his endorsement?

I have been catching up on all this over the last half hour and I have been laughing like crazy the entire time.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, October 8, 2016 4:20 AM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

same here. this is the post that almost did me in:

I think I would respect Paul Ryan more if he just said, "The guy is a moral monster but I don't care, he's a Republican, and my job is to elect Republicans. It's not like he's not gonna sexually assault people as President any more than he would in his current job. Probably less, in fact."

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, October 8, 2016 3:22 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/299950-report-pence-was-beside-himself-over-trumps-2005-remarks

such bullshit. he knows who donald trump is.

this should surprise no one

Cracks appear, and the unendorsements begin:

'I'm out': Rep. Chaffetz (UT) withdraws his endorsement of Trump

maybe it's Hillary who should skip Sunday's debate

i like that the CNN breaking news bar notes that Trump apologized "Saturday morning".

pence should drop off the ticket. idk how it would play but he already looks good by comparison to trump - might as well inaugurate the 2020 campaign and try to wash some of the stench off

maybe it's Hillary who should skip Sunday's debate

very sorkin

Trump won't quit, and it will force Pence off. Right now, the only thing on his mind is trying to figure out how to bail and still look like a hero. Priebus and Ryan have stars in their eyes when they look at Pence, so I guarantee there'll be strategy sessions in Wisconsin tomorrow.

I've already seen people making the case for Clinton skipping the remaining debates. I'm not as convinced as they are, but if she did it the right way I think it would be fucking rad.

idk i think they help her. and they give a chance for america to get to know her better before she becomes president. i think a lot of people read about her and hear people talk about her but don't pay attention to the actual things she says.

i think a lot of people read about her and hear people talk about her but don't pay attention to the actual things she says.

...for the last quarter century or more.

xxps (on Pence):

+ column: could be most powerful VP in history, responsible for foreign and domestic policy
- column: could be irretrievably tainted by association with a narcissist misogynist sociopath

I'm soo tempted to walk to the two Trump signs in the neighborhood and correct them to "Trump/PencePenis 2006 MakeGrab America Great Again"

pence will stick with the trump campaign's death march right up to election day. as a good soldier he'll do what he can to keep the ship afloat, but his defenses of trump will be carefully measured rather than enthusiastic. no one will blame him for the disaster. they'll appreciate his trying to shield the down ticket races and he'll come out of this in good odor with the party professionals.

redditors explaining that this video will win trump the election bc he bragged about literally cucking married men and that's the most alpha thing a man can do

Hi! So what have I missed?

xp the woman in question did not actually sleep with him tho was the point of his story

is a failed uh cuck-er even alpha

the tic tac thing is kinda weird

musta ran out of binaca

https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/784587616700203012

(Erin) Burnett’s friend said she recognized that detail. “The Tic Tacs,” Burnett said, quoting her friend. “That’s exactly what Trump did to me. Trump took Tic Tacs, suggested that I take them also. He then leaned in ... catching me off guard and kissed me almost on the lips. I was really freaked out.”

that is some real moving of the goalposts xpost

King David grabbed the pussy. When you're a king they let you, you know.

He has to send wossname to the front first tho, unless that was Solomon, I don't remember

no that was david - batsheba's husband uriah

and she's solomon's mom

ew tmi tmi nsfw, atlantic

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/10/this-is-not-explicit-sex-talk/503459/

the atlantic otm. shout it from the rooftops. trump is talking about a pattern of harassment and assault, not making off color comments about women he thinks are hot.

there is some joy to be had in trump going down to a clinton because of his own sexual shit.

the major reason I was not looking forward to a clinton candidacy and presidency: rehashing kathleen willey, lewinsky, flowers, broadrrick. I don't know what to believe or how I feel about any of them because they've all gone so far down rabbit holes of clinton conspiracy lunacy since (well except for Monica)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

bill clinton's friendship with jeffrey epstein rings alarm bells for me. predation was such a big part of that guy's life it's hard for me to believe bill wasn't aware of it. however, 1.) trump was friends with him too and 2.) this doesn't have anything to do with hillary

yeah that's all pretty vile. and the fact that trump was involved with him means he's never going to bring that up.

https://twitter.com/walterkirn/status/784576296542167041

― flappy bird, Friday, October 7, 2016 7:23 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if this hasn't been mentioned yet, this Twitter post has already been deleted...

the major reason I was not looking forward to a clinton candidacy and presidency: rehashing kathleen willey, lewinsky, flowers, broadrrick.

always sex, right? never perpetual war, corporate shilldom, endless surveillance etc.

there is some joy to be had in trump going down to a clinton because of his own sexual shit.

however you want to imagine it; he was always 'going down' because he is a trainwreck clown and betrays this with his every utterance. America likes its vicious simpletons to be able to fake virtue, a la Reagan.

I know the new Clinton email/speech leaks will be endlessly perused here, so imma just leave this:

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/784554325645332480

too horrified by all this to find it funny or even have schadenfreude

flappy bird otm about the more visceral quality of hearing trump say "pussy" etc

I don't know. I should be happy about this? I'm just sick. Really sick. All the disgust and rage I've been suppressing, all the stuff I've been studiously trying to ignore, just all comes up to the surface.

I tried to talk to my wife about this, what it means. It's hard for us to talk politics mostly because of me, because I get these visceral reactions to everything that's going on, I can't compartmentalize. And we talked through it, and got to the realization that we have a guy who brags about sexually assaulting women running as a major party candidate for President, with the support of maybe 40% of the electorate, and then we couldn't really talk about it anymore.

I don't feel relieved. I didn't sleep well last night. I can't put words to it yet, what this fucker has put all of us through. I don't know what's going to happen come November when this guy loses. I think a lot of people have some pretty awful shit they are going to want to work out.

Floored on Friday might be the best Magic Treehouse book.

This stuff has overshadowed both a hurricane and confirmation that Russia is directly meddling in the election. In Russia, pussy grabs you.

that "attack bill" shit has to be coming directly from trump, right? A political pro would have be insane to think that re-litigating the impeachment is a good strategy

Depends on whether you think the Breitbart crowd counts as political pros.

IME the attack bill shit is, at least partly, intended to satisfy a specific line of grievance that predates Trump's candidacy. It is a front line in the Republican civil war: angry white males on the hard right feeling that the GOP doesn't "fight." McCain famously correcting a fired-up supporter about Obama's decency; Christie hugging Obama during Sandy cleanup; Romney's dignified surrender instead of going for the jugular; congressional R's alleged caving to the Obama agenda (despite legislative obstruction, which they call "failure theater"). All spineless cucks.

They want a fighting fighter who fights. Someone who's not a milquetoast and who will bring the pain to the dems. They constantly and approvingly quote Lincoln's "I cannot spare this man; he fights" line about Grant.

The main right-wing critique of Trump's last debate performance was that he didn't hit back harder (not that he is a terrible person).

This line of thinking is just about the cathartic release of unbridled Id at this point - it is not about winning the election. To put it crudely, Trump already HAD the rape culture vote. He already had the douchey frat bros and PUAs and the neckbeard incel fedora crowd.

I dunno, maybe there are people out there who think "Aw, grow up, pollyanna, this is just how guys talk" is a winning electoral strategy. I don't think so, not when you're already 20 points behind with women.

(Which is not to say that only women and SNAG girlymen object - everyone should find Trump abhorrent, and it looks like enough will.)

Floored on Friday might be the best Magic Treehouse book.

This stuff has overshadowed both a hurricane and confirmation that Russia is directly meddling in the election. In Russia, pussy grabs you.

― Josh in Chicago

is there any more evidence than there was thursday, or just a formal accusation?

Mike Drucker ‏@MikeDrucker 7h7 hours ago
TRUMP: We need to make an apology video.
STAFF: How do you want it to look?
TRUMP: Hmm. Let's go with a CD-ROM encyclopedia from 1995.

I do echo the feelings of posters upthread, along the lines of "THIS? and not the other thousand reasons?" Still, as an unapologetic partisan I will take it.

Oh, and, bonus dickhead: Corey Stewart, ladies and gentlemen:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/trumps-va-chair-women-wont-mind-that-trump-acted-like-a-frat-boy-as-a-lot-of-guys-do/2016/10/07/74d002de-8ce7-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html?hpid=hp_local-news_vatrump1134pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

It will be delicious if the orange ooze of the trumplosion takes down this fucker as well. He wants to be governor or possibly senator, and I want his career inexorably ruined by association (if not for the many minor evils he's already perpetrated).

Just saw a ridiculous Republicans Abroad woman on the BBC basically shrugging her shoulders and saying, "Well, that's men for you!" - the poor dears, they know no better - then going on to say partial responsibility must be shared with women who 'throw themselves at rich and powerful men and celebrities'.

https://twitter.com/RealRonHoward/status/784610992726609921?s=09

that "attack bill" shit has to be coming directly from trump, right? A political pro would have be insane to think that re-litigating the impeachment is a good strategy

The bill Clinton fixation is a mixture of trumps projection and roger stone. Don't think ailes or even the breitbart mob are stupid enough.

I know the new Clinton email/speech leaks will be endlessly perused here, so imma just leave this:

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/784554325645332480

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius),

what's the news?

https://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/784732117284433921

Just saw a ridiculous Republicans Abroad woman on the BBC basically shrugging her shoulders and saying, "Well, that's men for you!" - the poor dears, they know no better - then going on to say partial responsibility must be shared with women who 'throw themselves at rich and powerful men and celebrities'.

― (SNIFFING AND INDISTINCT SOBBING) (Tom D.), Saturday, October 8, 2016 12:23 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

anyone seen fox this morning? top headline on the website includes "Republican lawmakers call for him to drop out", which seems noteworthy coming from them.

is there any more evidence than there was thursday, or just a formal accusation?

Not sure if this is that formal accusation or something new.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/russia-conducted-wiki-hack-says-u-s-intelligence.html

Today the Department of Homeland security and the director of national intelligence announced they are confident the leaks were orchestrated by Russia and were intended to influence the election

omg scottie telling navarra not to say pussy because it's offensive and navarra blasting her that she finds it offensive now but not when trump said it
― Mordy, Saturday, October 8, 2016 12:44 AM (eight hours ago)

Yeah, pretty wild. And Hughes is on there this morning again--she must have had like four hours sleep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nza-Oh-xMt4

Lmao @ "in Russia, pussy grabs you"

Billy Bush's apology (which actually contained the words "I'm very sorry") about 1000x more convincing than Trump's little Max Headroom hostage video.

xp eazy - that doesn't look like "evidence", that looks like political theater. i've heard that word on the street is that this statement is mostly motivated by democrats in congress or w/e who think that a strong anti-russian stance will provide some political advantage.

i don't think they're right. who's going to listen to the conclusions the us intelligence services have reached based on undisclosed information? the american left, after us intelligence's claim that iraq possessed wmds? the american right, after us intelligence's declining to recommend clinton's indictment? russia, whose future is significantly staked on trump somehow winning this election?

The most striking thing about the HRC speeches for me is that she seems to be further left on health care than I thought she was. "Bias against people who have led successful and/or complicated lives" is lol though.

a lot of this stuff is like that leak where she's sympathizing w/ hard luck millennials where in context it's fine or even sympathetic but you can pull context-free quotes that look bad on their own - which is the reason i assumed she didn't want to leak them in the first place.

remember when i asked about the whole Christian thing earlier?

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/299782-evangelical-leaders-denounce-trump-for-fueling-bigotry

https://www.change.org/p/donald-trump-a-declaration-by-american-evangelicals-concerning-donald-trump

leak release

lol wow: https://twitter.com/DavMicRot/status/784608760987779072

lord if only I'd thrown in money when Hillary sunk that one week

These are terrible song lyrics.

https://twitter.com/ingrahamangle/status/784741614291865600

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuPw-2FWYAIHc3d.jpg

WHY are they calling these "lewd comments" and not "bragging about assaulting women"

"they" = tv pundits mostly

These are terrible song lyrics.

https://twitter.com/ingrahamangle/status/784741614291865600

― Ned Raggett

Fine by me

lol @ Ingraham, as if this is the only disqualifying thing Trump has done in the last 12+ months and it is just coming out now to ruin his immaculate campaign.

Lifezette lols

First they came for the sex perverts
And I let them
Because I'm a decent human being

What lesson will the GOP learn from this? Family values religious constitutional conservatism seems like the opposite of trump, so maybe they go there? In which case maybe Hillary could win 2020 too.

I'm waiting for a Trump surrogate to seize on the line "I moved on her and I failed--I'll admit it" and try to make the case that the video shows a very human Trump, humbled, vulnerable, taking ownership of his actions, realistic about his limitations, not the imperious blowhard he's been caricatured as. More presidential.

"A lot of people have denigrated our campaign, but this response proves Trump acts very President when he's caught being rapey or doing illegal shit. And isn't that what you want in the White House - a guy who says "I'm sorry" meekly with his pants down?"

btw, how mortified is Nancy O'Dell right now? Or maybe she's popping the cork on some champagne.

"shoulda thought something was amiss when he took me to Seaman's Furniture"

The all-to-human inability to open the door to a motorcoach.

kinda surprised nobody has seized on the "don't most of you Democrats listen to rap? they say way worse" angle

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuQClJMW8AEuqls.jpg

R-Ala.

haha daaaaaaaaamn

he's losing the most immobile of the immobile

New pundit on msnbc "gets it" and compared Trump to Cosby. Good -- hopefully that association will stick.

Hillary winning is jusy the beginning, if this gets more out of hand -- outtakes from the apprentice etc -- we should sed a blowout up and down the ticket.

oh my god how many other poor republicans are stuck channeling Ro-Man like Roby is right now. "I must- but I cannot!"

like do they really think Trump stepping aside would suddenly lead to better results, or is it just that they'd rather lose with someone more respectable? what's gonna make the low-info voters suddenly want to go with the new guy that they barely know anything about?

Trump not being able to open the door was total Eoin Mclove (can't find a Youtube clip soz)

kinda surprised nobody has seized on the "don't most of you Democrats listen to rap? they say way worse" angle

― Neanderthal, Saturday, October 8, 2016 9:27 AM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i've already seen it a few times on social media

I think its sort of weird this sexual harassment stuff is just getting attention now when it's been known for so long. Dont like conspiracy theories but it almost seems like some of the networks knew about this and sat on it bc the horror show of the trump campaign was good for ratings.

Neither Trump nor Pence is going to leave the ticket lol @ this suggestion

Or maybe networks and voters alike just realized that, in october, it wasnt funny anymore and so decided to take a hateful statement of his seriously for once

It's too late anyway, ballots have been printed. NBC prob sat on tape for October surprise

no but it's a measure of how done this is that someone in alabama is running away from him

the NRO ppl are talking about being #nevertrump in the past tense

Trump/Pence urgently blowing up Ozymandias's cell right now

Rs who have called on Trump to quit:

Rob Engstrom
Mike Coffman
Jon Huntsman
Chris Stewart
George Pataki
Barbara Comstock
Mike Lee
Ben Sasse

other UT politicians too

which is notable because in the past when there's been "dropout" noise, it's often been muted, one person tops. never so unified and swift.

the craziest thing is that none of what happened yesterday has been reflected in the polls yet

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/784767399442653184

"Certainly has been an interesting 24 hours!"

lol what a world eh donald!! if you can't laugh what can you do?!

lol ahh being flippant, why not when you've already lost I guess

I kept waiting for one of the poll aggregators to say "we're suspending further forecasts cos this shit is done" last night

Lol

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/784767399442653184?s=09

D'oh

Lol that tweet. What a shithead.

ppppolls is my guess for the first one to say this is done. they're the one that does polls like this

https://twitter.com/IanSams/status/784384963567316992

their twitter account got pretty strident for a pollster last night, e.g.

https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/784565322397446144
https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/784569893995806720
https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/784567820688433152
https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/784566406654353408

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxuYdzs4SS8

Trump a month ago, pleading with his advisors during his two weeks of relative discipline:

"Celebrity Donald, Apprentice Donald, Howard Stern Donald, bawdy Donald..."
"We love that Donald."
"Me too--and he's dying. If Politician Donald walks through that door, he will kill Independent Donald. A Donald divided against itself cannot stand."

Independent Donald has again taken charge.

he probably used a proxy to wager on himself losing a while back and is just driving up his earnings now.

Jon Huntsman is such a weirdo. The seemingly "reasonable, moderate" option in 2012 who gleefully blew up Romney's spot at every opportunity (partially on taxes but also for kowtowing to the extremist elements in the GOP IIRC), then turns around and vocally supports.. Trump all year. until now.

maybe they're taking the St Anger approach to make 2016's candidate so bad, that they can drag out someone as mediocre-to-bad in 2020 and bank on the relief of voters

St Anger is the best Metallica album

NUKE THIS THREAD

"red america" is slowly going to get smaller and more isolated and then suffocate to death. It sucks that so many of these people -- still! -- qualify their criticism of trump by saying they still think clinton would be a "disaster."

But like, thats the deal with them. They don't want to be part of this society, which is becoming more diverse and socially progressive

better the benedictine option than their previous political participation + influence

Stay classy wikileaks
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/784564871883087872?s=09

oh well i guess she just lost the extremist saudi vote

"Private jewish speech." Cool guys.

Also that Clinton statement is true! Salafism is a Saudi export!

What is wikileaks implying?

Are you for real w that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFpFDyKeqyA

Yeah. Idk what Jewish conspiracy wikileaks is alluding to by pointing out that hillary clinton correctly identified the geographical origin of sunni extremism

i think treesh has a good question. i'm not sure how to unpack it. is he implying that hillary is willing to defame our islamic allies in secret jewish conspiracy? but that only makes sense if he doesn't actually know anything about saudi extremism or mainstream american opinion regarding it.

hillary tells jewish group that saudis export extremism - literally cannot think of a single constituency this would be of note to

"Private jewish speech." Cool guys.

Sorta halfway between wtf and lol here.

It's standard jewish banking conspiracy dogwhistle - actual content of speech is unrelated

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14591692_10209313769534165_1833774248622768060_n.jpg?oh=0bb8b713d6bfd818e2fed6ea830ec09e&oe=5874A7A8

Yeah, "Red America" looks bigger than it is based on the electoral vote map, but nobody lives in these places. There are more people in just New York, LA and Chicago than in nearly all of the red states west of the Mississippi combined, excluding Texas.

Also they are a generationally defined conatituency, not just a geographical one. They're not gaining real ground with millennials -- i don't think alt-right/mra types will ever be a significant voting bloc and besides they are not really "republicans" anyway, just drawn to the right wing by default out of ressentiment

They're a dying party. In twenty years the two main parties will be a center-tight business party and a center-left social democratic type party -- the culture wars bullshit along with the more sadistic antigovernment ideas of reaganism will be swept into the dustbin of history. This might aound too sunny but i think thats where we're headed. The country will still face serious problems but i don't think we're going to face the same sort of opposition in the future. This trump circus feels like a death spasm

20 yrs is overly optimistic

i think treesh has a good question. i'm not sure how to unpack it. is he implying that hillary is willing to defame our islamic allies in secret jewish conspiracy? but that only makes sense if he doesn't actually know anything about saudi extremism or mainstream american opinion regarding it.

I assume it was meant to be along the lines of 'Clinton will say one thing in private to one set of donors and another in public to court a different set'. The Wikileaks / Zerohedge position seems to be that Clinton is heavily reliant on Saudi backing and too sympathetic to them rather than 'o no, she's being mean to KSA' or w/e. Abysmal framing either way.

“I’d never withdraw. I’ve never withdrawn in my life,” Trump told the Washington Post in a phone call from his home in Trump Tower in New York. “No, I’m not quitting this race. I have tremendous support.”

“People are calling and saying, ‘Don’t even think about doing anything else but running,” Trump said when asked about GOP defections. “You have to see what’s going on. The real story is that people have no idea the support. I don’t know how that’s going to boil down but people have no idea the support.

“Running against her,” Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, makes keeping the party behind him easier, Trump added.

“It’s because she’s so bad. She’s so flawed as a candidate. Running against her, I can’t say it’d be the same if I ran against someone else, but running against her makes it a lot easier, that’s for sure.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/amid-growing-calls-to-drop-out-trump-vows-to-never-withdraw/2016/10/08/8c0b5b7a-8d68-11e6-bff0-d53f592f176e_story.html?postshare=8561475940907652&tid=ss_tw

Haha oh NOW he'll talk to WaPo?

Just don't stop talking, Donald. If there's a supermarket freebie nearby, talk to them too. If there is a pause in the conversation, seize the opportunity. Don't let a moment of silence pass.

Hillary, just pull up a good book and chill.

" In twenty years the two main parties will be a center-tight business party and a center-left social democratic type party"

you mean like it was up until about 1984 when shit started to get weird

One step forward here has been taking "rape culture" from being an idea (and one that could seem loaded with bias) into something vivid and literal: more everyday than Cosby (locker-room banter) but so clearly toxic.

"“It’s because she’s so bad. She’s so flawed as a candidate. Running against her, I can’t say it’d be the same if I ran against someone else, but running against her makes it a lot easier, that’s for sure.”"

that's true, but it says something about him and his candidacy that his chances of winning right now are like, 5%.

You have no idea the support

Eazy otm

Neanderthal, I have definitely seen the "rap lyrics are worse" angle at http://ace.mu.nu/ (my go-to window into horrible right-wing bullshit). I don't remember if it was there on r/the_donald or not. But it's absolutely being played.

My fantasy is that HRC could ice all those lines of attack by saying: "Bill Clinton isn't running for president. Donald Trump is. While we're at it, Lil Wayne is not running for president either. Now, to quote a certain businessman, those are distractions from the issues that really matter."

But I know it's not that simple.

Oh and, not to trivialize the very real issues at hand: This is not someone I am going furniture-shopping with:

http://cdn.lifezette.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/HOUSE.jpg

I wonder if either Nancy O'Dell or the actress from Days of our Lives (Arianne Zucker I guess) will make a comment on this

If he weren't such a blight on everything worth preserving in a civilized society, I could almost feel bad for Trump. He's so profoundly mentally ill that I think he genuinely doesn't realize what's happening. But all the more reason to completely carpet bomb his chances of ever holding elected office.

Like his famed cubic zirconium cufflinks, I have to wonder how much of the gold in Trump's decor is just leaf. Or possibly spray paint.

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/11/17/science/insane-or-just-evil-a-psychiatrist-takes-a-new-look-at-hitler.html

otm Phil:

"Red America" looks bigger than it is based on the electoral vote map, but nobody lives in these places.

That's why I like proportional cartograms like

https://lanekenworthy.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/presidentialelection2012-cartogram-states-redandblue.png?w=440&h=294

Or the one 538 uses with hexagons for electoral votes. Much more informative than a Mercator projection showing the mountain west and old Confederacy forming a Big Red L.

https://twitter.com/serafinowicz/status/784767216210305024

I think at some point the completely boorish attitudes and actions are part of this feedback loop where people think themselves respected and powerful and fail to realize that eventually people are doing things due to you notional economic/social power and not at all due to respect. Any respect for someone who ends up being a serial groper/harasser/rapist evaporates, but these people either don't care that what they're capitalizing on is fear and not respect, or the change has happened gradually enough that they don't care.

I really think people like Trump see no line between respect and fear.

http://election.princeton.edu/2016/10/08/what-color-is-the-swan/#more-17785

The insta-consensus among commentators is that somehow this event is a cause of Trump’s electoral doom. I think the logic is backwards – to me, the growing obviousness of his doom created an environment for this story to blow up. The genuinely new development is the impact for downticket – in both the Senate and the House.

In one common sentiment, catching Trump on tape bragging about groping women without consent is somehow a last straw that has caused supporters to desert him, starting off with GOP Reps. Jason Chaffetz (district Partisan Voting Index R+25%) and Martha Roby (R+17%), and Utah governors Gary Herbert (current) and Jon Huntsman (former). Taniel’s running tally of GOP reactions is here. Some PEC readers think this is a black swan – an unexpected anomaly that moves everything.

[...]

I would argue that this weekend’s public blowback is triggered by a growing realization of what will happen on November 8th. After the first debate, it became obvious that Trump was going to lose the general election. Clinton’s bounceback is small, but by modern (i.e. post-1996) standards it looks large. There isn’t enough time for opinion to shift back (for instance, within my random diffusion assumption), especially given the natural setpoint of the race (my Bayesian prior that assumes regression to the mean). In other words, people’s intuitions started telling them that time had run out for Trump.

i think the comments are legitimately horrifying but this is a good point as well - it's an incident that bc of the current climate has taken on greater significance. it's not that this is particularly bad compared to previous comments + stories but that it has reached a boiling point.

That's why I like proportional cartograms like

― burqini kill (Ye Mad Puffin)

stop it some of us have already started drinking

my god that's what new jersey looks like in my nightmares

Loooool

https://twitter.com/NolteNC/status/784761875653353472