Anticipating Spider-Man: Homecoming (and then presumably Spider-Man: Prom)

I don't like the title and I hope it changes but it probably won't but whatever. It's time we had a thread for it anyway. I hope it's an improvement to what's been happening to Spidey cinematically.

So we have Marissa Tomei as Aunt May, Michael Keaton cast as an unspecified villain (rumor has it it's the Vulture), and the kids below cast as unspecified classmates:

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--enjyq1kO--/wzghrqt0olwahmhqtj0h.jpg
(in an adversarial role, possibly Flash Thompson?)
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Glad to see Marvel's mixing it up with some diversity.

Maybe this will be the film where we finally learn how Spider-Man got his powers.

Word is they are shockingly skipping the whole origin thing this time!

the movie takes pace after Spidy has hung up his webs and taken a job in the financial sector iirc

He defeats his enemies by making bad investments on their behalf.

Keaton isn't happening (boo). Iron Man will be in the movie in some capacity.

wait, they're really rebooting this thing a third time in 14 years?

did you see the Andrew Garfield movies?

I like the title

andrew garfield and emma stone were really charming - unfortunately the movies they were in were not good

Michael Keaton is officially back in as the Vulture. There are (almost assuredly unsubstantiated) rumblings about D'onofrio showing up as Kingpin.

If that happens, it'd be the first time the TV series cross over to the movies, and not vice versa.

Spidey's turn in Civil War was far and away my favourite ever screen depiction of the character, they nailed it. Really looking forward to this as a result.

it'd be the first time the TV series cross over to the movies, and not vice versa

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That link doesn't work for me, but Nick Fury and the Helicarrier in Avengers 2 should count, even if it wasn't the best example of either medium.

That was about as effective a link as the unnamed helicarrier used in Deadpool's climax

i don't even watch agents of shield but just showing a couple of them on the helicarrier would've been such an easy gesture that it's stupid they didn't do it. i hope in spider-man:home-coming there's at least a line about some guy in hell's kitchen. i also hope we finally find out how he became spider-man.

Don't worry, I'm pretty sure I heard they're going to be expanding his origin into a trilogy of movies. I think this first one is mostly about the spider before it becomes irradiated.

Part two largely concerns pre-teen Peter Parker's ironic dislike of arachnids.

And it all comes to a head as he's seconds away from being bitten when the end credits for the third movie begin to roll.

sorry that link was a poster for Batman '66

Ah. I think Tuomas was referring specifically to the MCU. I thought by now at least one incidental character from the TV shows would've popped up in a movie but nope. I think I thought Sitwell first showed up on AoS but I realized recently that he was a fairly nondescript SHIELD dude walking around in a couple of the early films.

Hannibal Burress has been cast in an undisclosed role. I'm hoping for JJJ.

It's gonna be Robbie Robertson, isn't it

Bill Cosby

Hypno-Hustler

hannibal burress IS rocket racer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrzXIaTt99U

there's more footage in this international trailer:

https://youtu.be/Bqzg9YChKfM

looks pretty fun, but i'm kinda annoyed by the fact that they seem to have given miles morales' best friend ganke to peter parker :(

Oh, seriously? Huh. Well, that's stupid and unnecessary.

It's got the little wings on the costume from the original Ditko Spider-Man and the Vulture? Sounds good to me!

actually, looking into it a bit more, it seems that jacob batalon is in fact playing ned leeds of all people - i just assumed he must be playing ganke cuz he looks very much like ganke and he seems to have a similar dorky-best-friend role

much as i enjoyed tom holland as peter parker in civil war i still kinda wish this movie was about miles morales tho

yeah would rather see miles morales but idk at least the trailer makes it feel basically like a spider-man movie and not just a pile of nonsense like the last one. also glad to see john portman's atlanta marriott marquis getting its due. gotta say it'd be nice if they found a way to finally include spider-man's origin story, though.

i'm resigned to the fact they're not making a miles morales film but i am willing to accept fake ganke as tribute

Actually, they are (or at least were) making an animated Miles Morales film. It was supposed to be released next year but has been pushed back.

(I assume it'll be something like Big Hero 6 which is technically a Marvel movie but not an actual MCU movie.)

the trailer makes it feel basically like a spider-man movie

i think that's exactly the reason why i'm not exactly thrilled by what i've seen so far, cuz we've had five spider-man movies (six if you count civil war) in the last fifteen years and this does seem to be a remix of elements of all of them, with added marvel universe star power and the best peter parker yet. as huge a spider-man stan as ai am i dunno if that's gonna be enough!

was that the lord/miller animated spidey movie or something else? xxp

Yeah, that's the one. It's unclear whether production has even started on it, though, so grain of salt.

an animated spider-man movie with a quarter of the fun and invention of cloudy with a chance of meatballs would be fantastic. imdb has virtually no info on it and apparently chris lord is writing but someone else is making their directorial debut on it. i guess i won't hold my breath on seeing miles on-screen either live-action or animated anytime soon...

looks cool. that shot of the Vulture sweeping down (at the Hyatt Regency?) = they shooting these movies at Dragon Con now!

http://capturelifethroughthelens.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/DSC_6771.jpg
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it's the Marriott Marquis

called it upthread!

Tom Hardy IS Venom

god i hope he does the bane voice

The new trailer is insanely fun.

i am weirdly unpsyched for this

uncharacteristically unpsyched, even

http://i.imgur.com/rXvLw1v.jpg

woof

Spider-man
Spider-man
Hangs around with Iron Man
Tony's great, we can't lie,
Then there is this young guy
Uh hmmmm
Let's talk up Iron Man

spider man
spider man
i have to make this poster for spider man
slept in late
oh my lord
where was that .PSD stored
who cares
i'm just an intern, man

post movie posters done in a busy/claustrophobic caricature style from the 70s and 80s

god that poster is awful

it looks like the designed-by-committee result of agents fighting over exactly where their clients will be placed and how big their faces appear

'robert needs his image to be 2mm wider and 6mm to the left or he fucking walks, okay?'

thankfully we have both Iron Man and a yuge head of Tony Stark

Spider Man and Peter Parker (who just drank a glass of water and is trying not to open his mouth)

Michael Keaton and also a shot of main villain The Vulture who is for some reason half the size of Iron Man and pushed off to the side

why is U2's The Edge sitting on Keaton's shoulder, shooting a lense flare gun

also can we put in the Washington monument and make it look like it is in NYC somehow? don't worry if the ground level is off. thanks

post movie posters done in a word cloud style except with faces instead of words

Movie posters should just be a balance sheet of expected returns, actors' salaries, etc.

TBF, there are other, better ones featuring just Spidey. I'm fond of this one:

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8571017/spider_man_poster.jpg

yeah that one interesting and deceptively has a lot going on without assaulting your eyeballs

lonely spidey just thinking baout the thing

had they even mentioned Jon Favreau having much of a role in this thing?

btw hey guys here's Jon Favreau, he's on the poster context-free buttoning his suit and has third billing in a Spider-Man film, because uh

huh, i hadn't even noticed him there

now that i've seen him i'm calling it: he's gonna die in this one

I mean, he's an established character, but tbrr I don't remember him even being on the poster for the last Iron Man movie.

In which he nearly died, so I can't imagine them pulling that stunt again. But who knows.

he gets a full credit even, not a "with"

how the hell is he above Marissa Tomei lol

his agent shouted louder i guess

Did something happen to the UN secretariat in one of these movies?

I'd assume launching the MCU still has some cachet with the suits.

dragged to the underworld by the mole man iirc xp

Someone on the poster committee really wanted the Washington Monument in there, even in the most awkward spot.

washington monument has a very vocal agent

'fuck downey jr, this big marble bastard has been drawing crowds since 1848!'

What if Spider-man took over Tony's suit? What ... if ... ?

what if spider-man and tony were forced to spend a snowbound evening inside a single iron man suit? with sexy results

If the Iron Man suit is a rockin', don't come a knockin'.

This is the first time I've ever considered whether Tony Stark incorporates some sort of Fleshlight device into his Iron Man suits, and upon consideration it seems almost certain that he does.

Well, Tony Stark is a big dick, so ...

who among us would not build a fleshlight into a multibillion-dollar suit of armour, given half a chance

Am I the only one getting weird no one gives a fuck vibes around this one? Reviews inexplicably ran last week, so I figured it had opened already, but I guess it opens this coming weekend?

wiiiiild horses....

MU often lifts review embargos a week or two prior to open, not any different than their other flicks

if only there was an audience for Spider-man

Says he loves movies...

I think more than anything else the advertising for this seems to be "this is exactly what you'd expect" - wisecracking iron man and wife-eyed kid, if you liked the 10 minutes in Civil War then you'll like this. Some weird frisson at seeing Michael Keaton do this after Birdman is about the only thing?

So reviews ran for the last few Marvel movies in high profile places like the Times a week before opening day?

And yeah, there is an audience for Spider-man in the sense that there will always be an audience for spectacle. But wasn't the point of Sony going to Marvel that the last couple of Spider-man movies showed ... maybe there isn't as much of an audience as people thought? I guess we'll see!

the fact that the first fanboy reactions contained even mild criticisms indicates to me that this is going to be a total nothing

both of the last two did well but not well enough. ASM2 actually made pretty good money but it had a big drop in its second weekend, the reviews were bad and it was obvious the public was not feeling a surge of spideymania. sony must have been looking at the numbers for the raimi trilogy, which all did really well - the public loves spidey, so we're totally in shape to do avengers-level business as a kickoff for some whole stupid spidey-verse bullshit. in that sense, yeah, not as much of an audience as people thought. but there's no reason a good spider-man movie that makes people feel good and have fun wouldn't be a successful film.

this does look kinda fun and i do really like tom holland in the role but jeez even a spider-man dork like me thinks six movies and three spider-men in 16 years is pushing it a bit

Pretty close to a rave review in The Guardian (opens in the UK today)

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/jun/29/spider-man-homecoming-review-tom-holland

still think not going with miles morales this time out was a mistake tbh

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rumor has it that this film will have Spiderman performing the "cannonball dookie"

I am still back on "wife-eyed kid"

<punches his phone>

They need to make a movie that's like Spider-Man on the Loose or something. Just follows Spider-Man around a slow day where he fucks off and messes with people.

That was like half of Spiderman 3

I would take SM3 over any MUC movie tbh

*MCU

xxp I'm talking a little different than Spider-Man 3. More like Spider-Man's chain smoking on a dirty couch for 20 minutes. Or he becomes a subway panhandler, or he gets stoned and he uses his spider web to steal some guy's sandwich and soda.

I would take SM3 over any MUC movie tbh

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*MCU

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I know challops are a part of ILX but c'mon

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/spider-man-steal-drugs-east-harlem-pharmacy-article-1.3108603

Looks like someone's already making this movie, but for real

That version of Spider-Man needs to team up with the Hamburglar who was riding around Harlem throwing half-eaten burgers at people a few years ago. They'd probably have some pretty cool adventures.

SM3 is kind of a fun watch in a what the hell were they thinking way. It's infinitely preferable to the two Amazing Spider-Man movies anyway

they made too many movies too quickly is the main answer for why idgaf.

I assume the Venom movie will scratch your itch for 'spiderman-as-asshole' films?

I aint scratchin spidy's asshole

very happy with this movie
but i loved COP CAR so I kinda expected to

this was fun. kept appropriately low key instead of Extinction Level Event. though there were two beats that felt like the first Maguire Spidy.

madew $15M in previews last night, yeah they give those numbers now

i long for death

THIS is what makes you want to give up?

no, that was really Walter Mondale

Ah, the memories.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OysiLuJjHtY

This was a Very Good Spider-Man Movie!

Easily the most entertaining of these Marvel flicks in a long time.

yeah, this was excellent. we've gotten 3 excellent comic book movies this year: Logan, Wonder Woman, and this. And the common thread through all of those is that they are more grounded in the human element than these films often are. This is by far the best Spiderman movie so far (I like the first mcguire movie and the first garfield movie well enough but this beats them, even if I like holland himself a little less than either of those guys).

and going back to the top message: yes it's good to see a lot of diversity in this cast. everyone from the best friend to the principal in the school. hoping zendaya gets more to do in the next one (which I assume she will, since it's dropped that she goes by MJ at the end of the film).

also: this was written by the youngest kid from Freaks and Geeks! and it shows.

heh yup. always love seeing Martin Starr too

This was quite fun, enjoyed the last shot and the varied cast, wish Bokeem had something bigger tho

I was kind of hoping the Steve Rogers PSAs would start becoming suspiciously specific until they started directly addressing Parker

Weird seeing 80s Batman as a Spider-Man antagonist, they even briefly silhouetted his wingsuit against the moon

Montage of attempted neighbourhood crime-stopping just leading to loads of awkwardly ambiguous situations was great, except for the Stan Lee bit, when will he die, jesus

A little cruel there, considering his wife just died the other day.

I loved this. Leaned into the teenage Spidey really hard & i enjoyed the lighter tone
Keaton was great as always

Mr Veg found it disappointing but I think he just found the teen-ness annoying more than anything

I didn't care for the Spider-suit A.I. giving Peter romantic advice, but otherwise, pretty delightful. I enjoyed Ned's big moment toward the end very much. And it was great to see John Francis Daley's name in the credits at the end.

One other complaint: not enough music by Peter's fellow Queens natives the Ramones.

in addition to what everyone has said so far, A+ for making second-tier spidey baddies seem both legitimately threatening and sufficiently sympathetic to create real stakes and drama

the whole vulture reboot idea was pretty clever imo
also i liked the mixing of the characters and names of comic book characters clearly just to mess with us

rogermexico otm

I thought this was pretty smart and pretty amusingly self-aware. Loved that Martin Starr and Hannibal Burress get to play teachers, liked the "new" Aunt May, liked the casting across the board, really. Didn't really like Tony Stark, who kept popping up like a celebrity video game assistant. ("You're doing great so far, now all we have to do is blow off those doors!"). I thought this was a nice balance of "Ant-man" (waaaaaaay too light) and darker stuff (but not toooo dark). It felt like the right one of these movies at the right time, and also felt the most traditionally sequel-y, too, in that so much of it dealt with the direct repercussions of the two Avengers movies. Or at least the notion that these giant battles leave behind tons of dangerous tech. I really do hope they do some sort of Damage Control show, it'd be fun.

Smaller local stakes so scaled down appropriately, though even my daughter wondered about all the other heroes and villains throwing buses at each other across NYC. "Why is it always New York?" she asked. "Don't they have superheroes in other cities?" I should tell her about Squirrel Girl.

she's had more books in NY at this point, though

Btw, this might be the third Marvel movie so far to reference another Disney property. In Age of Ultron, Ultron sings the "Got No Strings" song from "Pinocchio," in "Civil War" Spider-man references "Empire Strikes Back" when he takes down Ant-man, and in this one Spidey and his friend are working on the Lego Death Star. I don't mind these characters living in our collective pop culture world, tbh, adds nice beats to scenes. Just an interesting effect of the merger of all these ubiquitous geek properties.

Disney do own the entirity of pop culture now tbf.

lol "our pop culture"

self aware corporate synergy

It's true. Nobody would have grown up liking Lego, Star Wars or Spider-Man if it weren't for the Disney Corporation.

Has there ever been a Long Island superhero team?

It occurred to me after watching this that in Civil War (and in the beginning of this movie), Tony Stark refers to Peter Parker as "Underoos," which makes me wonder what was on Underoos in the MCU timeline of the 70s. (The original line of Underoos, from 1977, was Superman, Batman, Shazam, Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Spider-Man, and Captain America.)

(I know, I know, it was Silk Spectre, the Comedian, Dollar Bill, Hooded Justice, etc.)

the '70s incarnation of the Teen Titans operated out of Long Island

http://www.titanstower.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/GabrielsHorn_tt47p5.jpg

I think the 70s Defenders did too, wasn't that where Nighthawk's house was?

looking west to los angeles, it is still insane to me that they have not attempted a runaways movie, but looking at wikipedia apparently it's currently being made into a TV pilot, after a film version got lost in development hell around the time they decided to ramp up to the first Avengers movie.

AFAIK, it's past the pilot stage and was picked up by Hulu for a full series.

Hello.

My favorite scene in SPIDER-MAN: HOMECOMING shares something w/ my favorite scene in STAR TREK IV: THE VOYAGE HOME. https://t.co/U7Rs9cR1Pj

— Jordan Hoffman (@jhoffman) July 12, 2017

nice.

This movie is just a regular Easter basket.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/apparently-people-are-worshipping-the-norse-gods-again-1796887458

i loved that Kenneth Choi's Principal Morita = the same Jim Morita who was part of Cap's Howling Commandos in the first Captain America movie, hence the telegraphed war photo in his office etc

oh right! i noticed the war photo.

I didn't even think about that, since I've most recently seen him as Lewis in "Last Man on Earth."

I haven't seen the film but surely the principal would be at best his son? Assuming Marvel's World War Two still happened 70+ years ago, I mean.

ok fine his grandson then

KAREN

this was great

was thinking again today that this was probably the highest billing academic decathlon, possibly the nerdiest student competition outside of the science bowl, has ever had

lots of good times participating back in my high school days

Such a blast, incredibly slick and entertaining but also very human and relatable. Kudos for only having one large thing fall out of the sky during the climax. Shoe-in for best Spider-Man film, a contendor for best Marvel film - when done right, Spidey remains their most compelling character.

He's the only one I actually feel scared for during his adventures.

Mr Veg found it disappointing but I think he just found the teen-ness annoying more than anything

This was my GF's complaint too - she said she felt like she'd been babysitting for two hours.

it wasn't THAT pronounced, it's not like there was a scene where May walked in on Peter masturbating

well the final scene (which was the best part of the movie) basically was that

haha that scene was great

the man in the chair! with the headset!

Haha i totally forgot that bit

They were doing so well until Ned got busted for using the computer lab during the homecoming dance. I loved his flailing at trying to come up with what he was doing. "Umm... I'm looking at porn!"

This was great

I'm a touch confused about Spiderman being invincible but that's on me, I'm not up to speed on my superhero characteristics

And the fight on the plane was essentially just noises. Couldn't see a thing. Which tbf is probably what a fight on an invisible plane at night would be like.

But otherwise, pretty flawless.

spidey's pretty resilient in the comics - i guess spider-strength makes you spider-tough too

i only got around to seeing this a couple of days ago but yeah i thought it was great, definitely in the top tier of marvel movies. michael keaton was really, really good (that scene in the car on the way to the dance was fantastic) and the supporting cast were perfect. kinda sucks that they eseentially stole miles morales' best friend and gave him to peter but jacob batalon was so charming it's hard to hold it against the film

They left an avenue to back-door Miles into the story; Donald Glover's character is his uncle in the comic books and he made a passing reference to Miles during the confrontation in the parking garage.

yeah, i picked that up - just faintly annoyed that one of miles' strongest supporting characters essentially got transplanted into peter's story when peter already has a really strong supporting cast to pick and choose from

Is the thread spoiler friendly yet

Because genuinely now, that was a cracking moment

If it isn't, I expect a bunch of people to yell at me.

it's been out for the better part of a month, i think anyone straying into this thread who hasn't seen it yet only has themselves to blame if they get spider-spoilered

Let's roll so

That was brilliantly done. To contrast with baby driver, it was serious restraint from director not to even wink at that throughout

To keep the stunned/oh shit tone up to such effect throughout the car journey etc was just cherry on top stuff

yeah, it was a really clever and effective twist cuz it relies on revealing something that isn't part of the comics, so even spidey die-hards like me are wrongfooted

it's also a million times more suspenseful than a physical confrontation could ever be

The Holland/Keaton confrontations were, IMO, some of the best hero/villain interactions I've seen to date in these movies, if not the best. It helps that Vulture as a villain has motives on a scale that you can actually recognize and, to a degree, empathize with; seeing someone turn to crime because the heroes screwed them out of an honest living and seeing their dedication to it as the means for which they provide for their family is a chain of logic that it's a lot easier to see bits of yourself in than "I want to take over the world/galaxy".

The other thing I really liked was that they remembered that all of these kids were at a high school for nerds, so all of them were going to display some predisposition towards nerddom, including archetypal popular girl Liz and popular bully Flash.

the nerd school is another thing they swiped from miles!

but yeah, the friendly neighbourhood supervillain stuff was great, and it made me realise how the mcu had previously cut itself off from that kind of stuff by having their superheroes' identities largely be known to the public, or their villains so cosmic that there's no opportunity for them to be caught off-duty.

i actually wish there was a little bit more of keaton as a regular blue-collar thief with access to alien weapons before he kills a henchman and really leans into his heel turn, because he does actually have a pretty good point about being denied even the table scraps from a new world full of gods and monsters. i was really pleased that he didn't end up dead, though - i'd love to see him again

His nonplussed "... I thought this was the antigrav gun" was outstanding.

I was really, really surprised at how surprising the surprise was, because on paper it's sort of ... hacky? But so audaciously so I totally didn't see it coming. And didn't have even the slightest problem with it. Also interesting aspect of the reveal is that Keaton is not some blue collar worker struggling to feed his family, as he keeps implying, but a really well-off dude dead set on maintaining his fancy house/car lifestyle.

xpost That is essential as well. Was talking with a friend about that scene and that reaction. Keaton makes a point of not being a killer, of being more honorable, mostly out for money, not power. But that scene shows how far he's gone. Similarly at the end there is that ambiguity. Does he not give up Peter because he is honorable, or because he wants to kill him himself?

i dunno if the role was written for keaton specifically but it might has well have been since it plays into his strengths so much: charming, charismatic, but with a volatile streak that can be pretty frightening when it boils up unexpectedly. seeing that anger flash a couple of times beforehand made the coolness of the car scene that much more worrying

Also interesting aspect of the reveal is that Keaton is not some blue collar worker struggling to feed his family, as he keeps implying, but a really well-off dude dead set on maintaining his fancy house/car lifestyle.

yeah! his blindness to the similarities between himself and tony stark is a neat little character wrinkle

Also worth a moment to ponder if he's not a comment on "look, we'd all be batman if we were billionaires, I don't have that luxury"

XP and batman, birdman, definitely elements of joker jack in there too imo

the part of batman i was reminded of most was bruce wayne's 'you wanna get nuts? let's get nuts' line to the joker, which is so seemingly out of character for keaton's kinda nerdy, quiet wayne that it actually scared me a little when i first saw it as a kid

If I had any criticism of Keaton NB I don't and never will it's that he brings that almost zany nuts underside to just about every role I've seen him in NB again that is fine by me the world needs this

Shit I mean I bring that element to my team one on ones tbf

beetlejuice is never too far from the surface, tru

idgaf tho, i like beetlejuice

i also love the way his face has aged, it's just a real pleasure to watch him move that wrinkly mug

He has the radial, far-reaching wrinkles centred on the eye that befits a fella that has spent his professional life squinting crazily at people

Also interesting aspect of the reveal is that Keaton is not some blue collar worker struggling to feed his family, as he keeps implying, but a really well-off dude dead set on maintaining his fancy house/car lifestyle.

I took it that at the beginning, in his discussion with Damage Control, it was true that he was a blue collar guy (see comparisons with Archie's dad in the recent Riverdale series struggling to hold a construction crew together for a big job because he can't just bankroll them) and he mentions more than once how he's "over-extended" to fund the job - I guess that means he's a homeowner and has remortgaged to fund it? But since becoming a criminal he's gone for the big house etc and has stayed in crime because he likes the wealth.

speaking of ageing, i appreciated that they didn't cast marisa tomei as aunt may and then try to play down the fact that marisa tomei has apparently not aged a day in twenty years or more

She wore old lady glasses at one stage

I mean she looked like Marisa tomei in old lady glasses but I appreciated the effort

The whole "everyone loves Aunt May" subplot was also great.

i hope she gets a love interest in the shape of a hot willie lumpkin in the next movie

i just horrified myself with the phrase 'hot willie lumpkin' there, sorry to anyone similarly affected

I will lol if she starts dating Otto

Who then becomes doc otto

the story's there just waiting to be taken to the screen

https://puzzledpagan.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/doc-ock-wedding-cover.png?w=640

This is why I don't write. It's all been done before

Way late to the party. This was a delight from beginning to end. Confidentially, Peter Parker Spider-Man is not among my favorite major Marvel characters, but this managed to distill pretty much everything great about the character. Y'all have said it all already, but Keaton was fantastic in this and that car scene is one of the best the MCU has produced. The kids were the best. I wish I'd gone to that school.

Also, how is it that 'Penis Parker' has never happened in the comics (or that I somehow missed it if it did)?

It was originally "Puny Parker" in the '60s, and it was updated for the film

this was a blast. Especially the cap post-credits scene.

lol yes

rewatching this and the little twist toward the end is still a "uhhhhh oh noooo" moment

that was to say, the whole family life reveal. it was more at the 2/3rds point and Keaton's facial expressions were killing me

Sounds like Gyllenhaal is right on the cusp of being cast as Mysterio.

keaton returning as vulture too, apparently

he’s always returning with wings

I missed the announcement that the sequel is officially Spider-Man: Far From Home. Speculate away.

Spacer-Man

I'll put a dollar on this being evidence that the next avengers movie sets up the multiverse, and that lil spider-mans gets shunted to the new one

don't know if the standalone Spider-Man movies are going to that entangled in the overall Marvel universe. It's still basically a Fox property

or Sony even

well, the animated miles morales movie is called into the spider-verse and features both peter parker and spider-gwen from alternate universes alongside miles, so...

yeah but it has nothing to do with the MCU

it's a tangled web tho!

lol wtf

Jared Leto and director Daniel Espinosa are being set by Sony for Morbius, a Spider-Man Universe spinoff based on the Marvel Comics antihero Morbius the Living Vampire. Burk Sharpless and Matt Sazama, creators of Netflix’s Lost in Space, wrote the script.

https://deadline.com/2018/06/jared-leto-daniel-espinosa-team-morbius-spider-man-spinoff-sony-pictures-1202418275

the spinoff dr. morbius deserves

Please stop, Sony. Please? No one is asking for these things. You can just send me envelopes full of cash and get basically the same net return as you will from investing in worthless IP (nb: I will not be returning your cash). Nobody who knows or cares who Morbius is will want to see Jared Leto as Morbius. Fourteen movies about tertiary Spider-Man characters will not make up for you totally fumbling the opportunity to make an easy buck on the imminently-bankable starring character without another studio coming in to hold your hand. Go build yourself a Walkman, ya bums.

Why DOES Leto keep getting work

i will place good money on this never making it to production

I mean, Venom got made.

still not convinced that’s not an elaborate hoax tbh

also venom has an established fanbase (mystifyingly enough) but the potential audience for a movie about spider-man’s science-vampire frenemy seems... limited

We got sequel trailer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYYtuKyMtY8

Can you put "dickwad" in a movie trailer? This is all Trump's fault.

since when do trailers have cards that say "official trailer" on them

since when do trailers have cards that say "official trailer" on them

sad to say, i get it is kind of necessary now

peter lookin remarkably spry for a guy who was last seen dissolving into dust huh

Powdered Spider-Man is remarkably easy to reconstitute.

What IS the deal with that? Are we getting trailers for post Endgame MCU movies now?

Who were the baddies? Mysterio & Hydro-man?

JAKE

xp word is Marvel wanted them to wait on this, but Sony didn't care

"I'm Peter Parker and I'm here to pick up my passport"

the humor I'm here for

This one takes place prior to Infinity War

it takes place before Jake loved me

Would you wear a cape for him

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EzTckZ2BvR4/S7oDpGMJ-WI/AAAAAAAAEaw/lGjOVIX9DVY/s1600/DSC00698.JPG

This one takes place prior to Infinity War

no it doesn't

did i mix up my mcu

We are discussing the upcoming Spider-Man 2 now, Hoos.

oh duh i was thinking of the captain marvel movie my ba

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No worrie

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uh oh, forks and OL got broken into atoms while posting

I don't know why I typed forks, I was thinking Hoos

fuckin' Thanos

forks vaporized offscreen

mr lunch, i don’t feel so good

I told you it was old bizarro, I told you

I have no idea where Venom fits in with the spider-flicks at this point, but I caught it on a plane last night and it was about what I expected- the Marvel movie it reminded me most of was Blade. Cheap, kind of fun, mostly silly, with a relentlessly, needlessly grim n gritty attitude. The best part was Venom offering his rationale for siding with Brock by saying "on my planet I'm kind of a loser".

it’s a weird weird movie... rote plot, clumsy script, and then batshit moments like that that make it not an entirely wasted 90 minutes

I’m still laughing at the Eminem song that played over the credits

that was hilarious- he gets his own theme song!

What rhymes with "venom?"

"Eminem-om?"

https://genius.com/Eminem-venom-music-from-the-motion-picture-lyrics

I left the theater as the song started because my first thought was “I can’t do this right now”

Venom is fun, esp if you pirate it.

the answer to the rhyme q is “hit ‘em” and “get ‘em”

I saw it on an opening day and ate venom-themed chicken wings and drank a venom-themed beer

should've been chicken heads

also woody harrelson's hair was extremely lol, he looked like sideshow bob

Venom was totally fun. I'm surprised at the backlash against it when Ant Man gets so much praise; they were similar to me in that they didn't take themselves seriously at all (and are both set in SF). It doesn't directly link into any of the Spiderman movies in existence.

Venom was dull as dishsoap after the first 40 minutes

i couldn't read the credits to see if they gave McFarland co-creator credit for the character

they did

Billy McFarland's getting his entrepreneurial fingers into everything now, huh

What IS the deal with that? Are we getting trailers for post Endgame MCU movies now?

...so we got multiverse now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt9L1jCKGnE

miles morales when

we're believing anything this mysterio guy says? seems sketchy

it's mysterio so might be probably lying. this is a character that started out as a green alien who got retconned into being an fx wizard pretending to be an alien.

xp

well that was a grammar failure. you know what i mean.

Of course I was just about to post the same thing. Take every Mysterio-related plot beat with a grain of salt.

MILES

MORALES

WHEN

I doubt they'd take this direction verbatim, but the last paragraph on the Ultimate Marvel version of the character sets up a possibility:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mysterio#Ultimate_Marvel

as long as Sony's got the license for Spider-Man they're going to milk as much out of other characters as they can without being burdened (or enabled, depending on the input) by the Disney Marvel stuff imo

Unrelated but I scrolled up the Wikipedia page (because iirc Mysterio was replaced by his Ultimate version in the comics and...now doesn't even exist?) and saw this really fun passage

Francis Klum, a mutant with the ability to teleport, was sexually abused by his older brother Garrison (Mr. Brownstone) and forced to use his powers to assist Garrison's illegal activity as a heroin dealer. When Garrison dosed the Black Cat with heroin and attempted to rape her, Francis decided to stop his brother's cruelty for good, teleporting within and blowing up Garrison's body.[59]

and immediately wondered whether it came from that fucking Kevin Smith Spider-Man/Black Cat miniseries I never read and, well, sure enough. Good times!

yeah but miles tho

when

go watch spider-verse, bg

I have no idea how throwing that character into the MCU would be a net positive for developing Miles as his own entity, but maybe they'd pull it off

that fucking Kevin Smith Spider-Man/Black Cat miniseries I never read

Didn’t technically everyone not read it? IIRC either he or the Dodsons just gave up after two issues

Mysterio was definitely in his Daredevil run, though, eight issues about which I can remember nothing but Quesada trying to draw Mysterio scary by wreathing himself in smoke while he hung out in his home office

They actually did complete that six-issue miniseries after taking a couple years off to rest.

Drawing that many tits can take it out of you. And just imagine poor Smith, having to think them up

... I just realised that possibly the sort of comicsgater idiots that rally against Kamala Khan and Squirrel Girl in their punching comics came of age in the Jemas era, and a lot of things made some horrible sense

Dril is not a fan of the movie's approach.

"multi verse" fuck your self. you`re only allowed to have one universe per costumed dipshit. absolutely none of this is my problem

— wint (@dril) May 6, 2019

yeah but miles tho

when

― michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Monday, May 6, 2019 12:25 PM (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

apparently donald glover's character in homecoming was miles' uncle aaron, but good luck getting him back

Anyway, should you want more info:

https://www.fandango.com/movie-news/exclusive-interview-spider-man-far-from-home-director-jon-watts-breaks-down-that-wild-new-trailer-753743

Fandango: Gotta ask about Miles Morales, who was hinted at in Homecoming. Does this new multiverse mean we get to meet Miles in this film?

Jon Watts: There is no Miles in this film, or at least not yet. But who knows... we edit these films down to the last second, so you never know.

hedging his bets cuz jaden smith hasn’t finalised his contract just yet i guess

if they wanted mysterio to look like jaime lannister they should have just hired nc-w.

Hah, my first thought was that Mysterio was played by the dude from the '90s Hercules TV series, but then I realised he must look a bit older these days.

what

The film also introduces a new twist on Spider-Man's early warning reflex, "Spidey Sense", where it is renamed the "Peter Tingle".

anyway, in a decision I may come to regret, just booked a Homecoming + FFH back-to-back screening on Tuesday.

i am not okay with 'peter tingle'

Reamed in the Ass by a Radioactive Spider

the crossover event of the decade

ASMRMCU

I would guess that 'Peter tingle' will be this movie's 'Penis Parker'. Which is to say: not employed with any seriousness.

But boy is my face gonna be red when Spidey is shown sportin' a woody in all subsequent cinematic depictions.

peter's poker, spider-dong

The new one looks to have landed on the wrong side of daft to be honest. And they seem to have got Mysterio completely wrong.

or have they

No, this is definitely the point where Feige went off the rails. Definitely. RIP MCU.

No offense, chap, but I don't understand why someone familiar with the character Mysterio would make any preemptive assessment of the onscreen action depicted in the trailer for a movie featuring Mysterio.

i have a feeling this will be one of the first marvel movies to get a lot of backlash. obv. I haven't seen it yet but they've put out three movies in quick succession; maybe they should have waited on this one for a while because anything coming after Endgame is going to be a let down.

This supposedly serves as an epilogue to Endgame. Like picking up immediately thereafter.

If the thoroughly unexceptional Captain Marvel could break a billion, there will never be a backlash.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/jun/27/spider-man-far-from-home-review-jake-gyllenhaal

3 stars - disaster!

It was nice knowing you, super heroed movies.

Give the people want they want, a movie about Peter trying to transfer his college credits and getting the run-around from admissions.

If the thoroughly unexceptional Captain Marvel could break a billion, there will never be a backlash.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 June 2019 13:40 (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they had pre prepared a backlash against any criticisms so it was a feature not a bug

"this is a very mainstream Marvel picture"

god Bradshaw is fuckin useless

That Guardian review is a lot of words considering it's effectively summarize a Wikipedia stub article

I was wondering when they'd finally pull the reins on all that outré experimental filmmaking. Brakhage's Iron Man film was fascinating but I could tell the audience wasn't into it.

Into the Spiderverse is a balls-out fantastic movie and I love pretty much everything about it but it's a very straightforward story; all of the innovation is in the visual style.

i just happened across a spoiler for this movie's post-credit scene which has honestly made my day

I know, right? Who could've dreamed that they'd be kicking off the Clone Saga so soon. #blessed

bringing back nicholas hammond as an aged ben reilly is a masterstroke tbh

This was a blast! Especially in its second half.

Really glad they seem to have taken some cues from Into the Spider-verse - some of the most visually interesting sequences in the MCU since Ragnarok.

"Bitch, please! You've been to space."

never trust any guy who willingly goes by the name “Mysterio” and wears a fishbowl on his head

the portrayal of high school kids on a school trip was pretty great!

I was having flashbacks to a high school orchestra trip where a couple of my classmates seemingly coupled up only to act like nothing happened when they returned. And they were two seats away from each other in the cello section!

realllly good. like the first one the cuteness of the teen humor just works so well

into the spideverse is on netflix and truly blew me away. a very deserving film, of any accolade.

This was really, really good. These Spidey movies seem to actually get the best villains aside from the Thor movies.

This was great. The fight sequences were fantastic.

I thought this was ok. They handled the villain really well, especially in the marketing and promotion, which had people double guessing the misdirection. The only thing I didn't like that much about the fight scenes is that they seemed very much like set pieces. As in literally set on and limited to one specific chunk of set, which I always find kind of cheap and cheesy.

Haha, whoops, looks like I picked the wrong credit sequence to blow off!

I do have a few questions, once more people see this and pop into the thread.

Oh we know

this was fun!

This is a good and fun movie

Post-credits sequence is spoiled by the credits - my wife and I were like “hey, when did they play The Specials?” and wait-for-it, ta-da.

lol i had the same reaction
tbf though it was guaranteed that there would be something after the final credits, endgame must be the only one out of the 23 movies that didn't do it, right? (And then they added some deleted scenes on recent runs)

MJ is a great character. Her reaction to webslinging was priceless and perfect.

Zendaya's the best

I liked this much more than I was expecting to.

this was fun! every Marvel movie is exactly as good as every other Marvel movie basically, B+

The mid- and post- credits bits are even better when contrasted with Homecoming, though

i don't even remember homecoming's end credits scenes

these seemed like the most substantive ones from a marvel movie in some time. also interesting to see jk simmons back playing a character from Raimi Spiderfilms

the homecoming end-credits was captain america making fun of you for waiting around for an end-credits scene

the other one was Michael Keaton in person not revealing Peter's identity, setting up his return in a future sequel and a little more interesting now

in prison

also can i say the #flashmob joke was so bad and groanworthy i almost loved it

we were talking about end credits scenes once and a guy I used to work with was like "oh you mean a Skeletor?" we were like what??

apparently there's an end credits scene in the old Masters of the Universe movie where Skeletor appears and says I'll get you next time He-Man ah hahaha so him and his friends started calling end credit scenes Skeletors so I think about that every time I see one

Apparently there is some sort of Fantastic Four easter egg in this?

Seems like a stretch to me

https://movieweb.com/spider-man-far-from-home-fantastic-four-easter-egg/

It's a reference to this being the final movie of Phase 3.

Just saw this- tons of fun. It was a nice capper to Endgame and Mysterio was one of the better baddies they've had in a while. Overall looked pretty nice too. After Spider-Verse I thought this would look rather poor, but they managed to take the right inspiration from it instead. The kids had a lot of charm - I actually could have gone for even more of them fucking around on the trip at the expense of some of the web-slinging.

this was fun! every Marvel movie is exactly as good as every other Marvel movie basically, B+

this was really fun, love all the teen stuff, glad someone is making fun colorful teen movies --- kinda old-fashioned in a way, like we arrive in different world cities and get little travelogue shots of them, instead of just an aerial shot and a typewriter font announcing "PRAGUE.". all the supporting players are good, the jokes are frequent and funny, and it moves along pretty quick.

however i hated all the nick fury stuff, and about 50% of the references to "tony." also this is like the eighth one of these movies about a super-powerful spy-on-anyone, kill-anyone-on-earth drone system. did tony not get around to watching The Winter Soldier, or what? anyway spider-man going overseas should be a great excuse to get away from all that and just let him be spider-man doing spider-man stuff. the concluding scenes worsen this dramatically imo - no spoilers but the status quo being set up for the next one seems to really close off a down-the-middle spider-man movie. maybe we'll have to just count on a miles morales sequel for that.

also "the blip" explanation for what happened in Endgame made noooo sense to me...not that i want this to feel even more burdened by the other movies but it was distractingly confusing. i guess they're just never going to really deal in any way with how weird that situation was/is. even in Endgame it was like one scene of paul rudd visiting a memorial, and next thing we see it's hulk signing autographs for happy children in a diner, like.... there was still a functioning economy....? they still have diners?? such a great bizarre scifi premise, or even a classic comic book way to create an alternate timeline and meet alternate versions of characters or w/e, just totally jerked around for plot purposes and disposed of.

The blip stuff made no sense to me and was barely explored, to the extent that they didn't really need to bring it up at all.

What I loved about this movie is a) the villain's crazy explanation for who he is and where he's come from is totally accepted as fact, because at this point in this world of time travel and alien invasions and Spider-man multi-verses, why not? and b) even though everyone expects the villain to be a/the villain, this movie had some serious misdirection mojo working, in that at least to me the villain's reveal as a villain *still* came as something of a surprise.

And as far as "huh?" questions for me go, I don't have many for this one! Except this: the EDITH glasses are so attuned they even know what his classmates are texting to one another in real time, you'd think they'd have an alert for "danger: disgruntled unstable former Stark employee who helped design my tech!"

Mysterio was one of the better baddies they've had in a while...

anyone with any knowledge of spiderman comics already knows this.

Fun flick, saw it today. BETTER THAN THE FIRST

That's what I was saying, even though everybody knows who the villain is I thought they still handled it well.

It’s really interesting to me that both of the MCU Spider-Man movies have Peter dealing with his own shortcomings while dealing with the results of Stark’s shortcomings. Stark is such a big shot he has no time to notice all the supervillains he enables in his wake, and Parker is a fucking teenager compelled to fight them, more or less a draftee.

You could probably write a good length piece on how both of these movies are really about the unavoidable collateral damage that results from every arms race in human history.

I mean, when he says “Avengers-level” He literally means “hundreds of people are dying all over the place rn”

You could probably write a good length piece on how both of these movies are really about the unavoidable collateral damage that results from every arms race in human history.

Or maybe the psychology of *being* the weapon.

Or how I only post stuff like that after four of those really good IPAs that look like pulp-free orange juice

NEIPAs?

NEIPAs should be the hero *and* villain of the next Spider-man movie.

_Spider-Man: Frat Beer Bust_

Maybe he can “blip” to 21 and discover getting smashed as his big second-act fuckup

anyone with any knowledge of spiderman comics already knows this.

once again, really impressed with how they make a goofy-ass Sinister Six villain both both legitimately threatening and also credibly-motivated to e.g. put a fishbowl on his head

what makes these great teen movies: NEVER trust the adults

I'm tired of Spider-Man being beholden to the MCU Iron Man legacy junk but I did chortle when they revealed what the acronym EDITH stood for

That was my favorite joke in the movie

I'm tired of Spider-Man being beholden to the MCU Iron Man legacy junk

Oh, I'm fine with the MCU stuff, just him being Iron Man's little buddy/surrogate/heir thing is what I was finding tiring

spoiler zone here, but having yet another major character be directly linked to Tony Stark was a little much

I thought it was a little OTT in this movie too, but I mean they basically made Tony the MCU starting point from his first movie one... so it's not terribly surprising.

Loved this one though, so glad I'm able to see these in the theater with my 7 year-old now, he had a blast with it.

MCU is all about dad problems so it makes sense

Also, re: Avengers-level problem - I hope the post credit-scene is a hint to where the remaining heavy hitters are (Thor we know is in space with the Asgardians of the Galaxy, but what about everybody else that survived Endgame?)

it's just kinda weird since movies like GOTG have more than proved that you don't need the almighty Tony for people to buy into a Marvel movie, and the Raimi movies more than proved that people love Spider-Man as a standalone character doing whatever a spider can. also, the specific stuff they're saddling Spider-Man with by this route is exactly what everyone agreed was the worst part of Civil War (the comic book event, not the movie).

meanwhile i'm just so tired of the word "tech" getting thrown around in these movies. michael douglas having to say "he wanted my tech" or w/e in the first Ant-Man was clearly the jumping the shark moment for this shit. it's not like these movies even offer a beautiful or compelling or mind-expanding aesthetic of the tech imaginary outside of Wakanda --- it's all kinda blah and samey and TV ready (that awful upstate avengers campus is the apex of this).... an ideological expression of confidence in the high-tech surveillance state and its shining blah bureaucratic objects and locales. it would be nice if someone in-movie would point this out tbh - Saint Tony has 2-3 totally objectionable world-domination and total-control infrastructures to his name, maybe spy satellites and killer drones are bad things not good things? zendaya's MJ would be great for this and that could create interesting conflicts for peter parker. in homecoming she had that great line abt the washington monument being built by slaves: a woke teen character for our moment, cool! but now in the new one, the idea is that she's like a dark teen who's into weird conspiracy stories about world monuments, a pretty shameless neutering given all the other things the eiffel tower could prompt her to say.

an ideological expression of confidence in the high-tech surveillance state and its shining blah bureaucratic objects and locales wait wasn't the whole point of Winter Soldier against this, also them bringing back Nick Fury for this seemed a deliberate callback to the same theme?
also the avengers movies have consistently shown Tony as an arrogant technocratic asshole. Age of Ultron was all his fault!

The post-credit scene no doubt sets up the post-S.H.I.E.L.D. shift to S.W.O.R.D., no?

^^^

They're going to bring the X-Men into the fold by introducing Abigail Brand and her mutant boyfriend, Hank McCoy

Exactly what I was thinking while I walked out.

Re: the goodness/badness of high-tech surveillance drones with lots of weaponry, I don't think it's fair or particularly sensible to come away with the impression that the movie was in favor of them given what they were used for all throughout the second act; like, the actual plot is an example of Why These Things Are Bad And We Shouldn't Do Them.

even on the bus Peter is battling against Stark's drone

never understood how the photo got wiped from Brad's phone though. my son said "they must have deleted that scene" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

hrm I have this long-ass subway ride reply but the flagging app keeps failing when I try to post it

Eh, it was sort of implied that that function of EDITH was actually pretty simple, he just got distracted by targeting the dude with a drone. Or at least it's easy enough to believe he just did it after he dealt with the drone. Or was the picture deleted immediately after that scene? Anyway, not important. I still want to know why the glasses were not flashing red when Bad Guy put them on.

well of course, you fill in the blanks, but it was odd to me that they never showed EDITH actually accomplishing what peter wanted, given that farce of the whole scene is predicated on EDITH not doing what he wanted.

his directions were very unclear!
also the entire bit where she asks if he wants to "take him out" was referencing his fumbling around in Homecoming where he ends up turning on lethal mode by accident

these voice-controlled systems are tricky

Also everything Tony Stark builds is a deadly weapon first and a set-up for a gag second

it makes spider-man seem like a total dumbass who hasn't learned anything from anything and has to go through the same arc each movie. kind of a harry potter thing. or an iron man thing for that matter.

seems very true to being a high school kid

I’m genuinely surprised at Casino having such wrong-ass takes about these movies

I will say I find it interesting that these films play up his awkwardness and innocence, but downplay his scientific brilliance. This one has that throw away line about not being embarrassed to be the smartest one in the room, but for an apparent genius (he built his own web shooters!) he rarely says or does anything particularly intelligent.

Guys why does he get superpowers after being bit by a radioactive spider? Wouldn't he die?

Also wouldn't Iron Man use contact lens tech instead of glasses?

Also....

haha to be clear i continue to enjoy these movies! this one is not a patch on Spider-Verse, but in the top quartile of MCU movies, i'd say.

I will say I find it interesting that these films play up his awkwardness and innocence, but downplay his scientific brilliance. This one has that throw away line about not being embarrassed to be the smartest one in the room, but for an apparent genius (he built his own web shooters!) he rarely says or does anything particularly intelligent.

Didn't Homecoming have a scene with him crushing the knowledge bowl practice rounds? Also, rather realistically he's not often in situations in these movies where he would get the chance to flex his book smarts, plus he IS still a kid. I think a lot of his intelligence comes through in his physicality, how he chooses to fight/avoid things and how he used his powers to support Mysterio since they were wholly unsuited to fight the enemies they were facing by themselves.

(Setting aside the aforementioned "smartest person in the room" scene plus how quickly he figured out the interface to Stark's costume creation machine from this movie; I don't think the movie has to bang us over the head with Peter audibly calculating the physics behind his actions in order for him to come across as a smarter-than-average teenager.)

yeah i think between the web-shooters and the costume-making scene, he's coming across as plenty technologically-savvy. i do still think the earlier films were right to make the webs just be part of his powers. but in a comic book world with repulsor rays and arc reactors, i can sort of buy that a low-level genius, with the resources of an upscale science-oriented high school, could come up with this one staggeringly useful and valuable invention.

I wonder if they CGd mysterio costume to look more like a mocap suit than the actual mocap suit the actor wore to get CGd

a low-level genius

Isn’t one of the cool things about Peter that his youth means he has unrealized and yet-unknown potential? So we don’t really know his ceiling yet? So he might be a future Reed Richards or whatever.

a lot of his intelligence comes through in his physicality, how he chooses to fight/avoid things

extremely otm.

on the other hand there's a scene where he's wearing a t-shirt of i think literally the pythagorean theorem and my son's like "dad look at his shirt, he's a geek"

One of the things I like about the Marvel heroes is that so many of them are just flat-out science nerds who get their powers as a side-effect of nerding out to the extreme. I think it's the scene on the Helicarrier in the first Avengers movie where Stark and Banner have the argument about who has more PhDs? I love that shit.

I guess for me the appeal of Spider-Man never required him to be a Richards-level genius - much more into the "regular guy" aspects. He really only needs to be just enough of a nerd to be the kind of guy who goes and attends radioactive science demonstrations. But the webshooters always worked against that so yeah, I think kinda any version of it's fine.

One unlikely but imo cool way to rescue the "successor to Tony Stark" angle, and all the military interventionist stuff, would be if eventually Peter's different sense of what responsibility means leads him to deploy or share Stark's technology (and his own future super-genius inventions) in a different way. Like maybe in two movies Peter could time-travel thirty years in the future (future Peter needs the Hulk to fight the Maestro, but accidentally gets his younger self too)... and for once we could see a world where shit is actually *different* due to all these wild inventions being used by different actors or for different purposes.

I was thinking/complaining about the movies downplaying his smarts via his relationship with Stark. So much of Spider-man in the MCU is him figuring out new Stark "tech" rather than actually solving problems or coming up with stuff himself. Tbh, the learning curve for Stark (and other) stuff doesn't seem to be too steep in the MCU. War Machine can do it, Falcon can figure it out, Pepper can figure it out, Ant-man (who is a doofus) can deal with quantum physics, etc. Stark, as portrayed in the movies, is a genius who has figured out a way, it seems, to automate and outsource his genius via AI and whatnot, and as a primary beneficiary in these movies a lot of Peter's iconic "powers" are sort of back-burnered. For example, he makes a quip in this one that "he is really strong and can stick to things," but the Stark super-suit stuff sometimes threatens to overshadow his innate gifts. I mean, the movie is literally about getting back a pair of all-powerful high-tech sunglasses.

okay so re: surveillance - - - - Some of it's inherent to "this technology is good in *my* hands but if it fell into the WRONG hands..." stories, which were the basis of all three Iron Man solo films. But in terms of really critiquing it, I agree that the material's there, but imho the films have hedged, maybe due to a mix of ideological blinders and an unwillingness to accept that the Tony Stark they've written post-IM3 has actually been Earth's greatest supervillain. If the films ever really acknowledged the events and conflicts laid out in previous entries, they could have written a Tony arc where his final actions in Endgame are a quest for redemption for all the above. As it is, he goes to his grave confident in his righteousness, and then is lionized as a savior of humanity.

* In Winter Soldier, the terrifying control system does niggle at Cap when he first hears about it. But it's the system's hijacking by HYDRA that becomes the real problem, keeping us from having Cap decide the US security state and drone assassination *in itself* is something to go rogue and destroy the super-helicarriers over. Black Widow does release all of SHIELD's files, and Fury is sort of out of a job, but it still feels like a dodge, especially since Cap never mentions all this again, which you'd think he would if it were a major turning point in his values or his loyalties. IIRC the later films never have a scene of anybody else ever giving Fury shit about it either.

* Ultron, yes, is obviously Tony's fault and this does piss everybody off. The world is spared instant devastation only because Ultron can't reach the nuclear launch systems, and in hindsight, because nobody has been stupid enough to create a global network of death drone satellites. And then he comes up with a second, more powerful Ultron as a solution; some characters can't believe he's doing the same thing again, but he does it anyway and it works out. At the end, Tony is a hero and not a worldwide pariah for the Sokovian blood on his hands, and Vision is just walking around with, I think, all of Ultron's same abilities (?).

* In Civil War, with Tony now advocating for a superhero strike force to act under orders, Cap objects, but mainly because of the possibility that William Hurt might send them to do something they personally don't want to do, not because the countries where they're sent might object to the incursion. He oddly does not bring up either of the above plotlines as examples of how this kind of thing could go wrong. Logically speaking the first of the "Sokovia Accords" should have been to jail Tony Stark and separate him from all his extinction-level-event technology! But the film has no faith in this stuff as the basis for a conflict between a techno-militaristic Stark and a newly radicalized Cap, and instead the fight is sustained by Bucky having a retconned connection to Tony's backstory.

* In Homecoming, there's no security state as such, but again rather oddly Tony creates all the problems without ever being confronted about it; his imperious (and realistically, politically-suicidal) deployment of Damage Control is what spurs Michael Keaton's criminal career and all the destruction that wreaks. The best the film musters is him sort-of but not-really admitting that if he'd listened more promptly to Spider-Man's intel, some of the collateral destruction could have been avoided.

* In Far From Home, Spider-Man is overwhelmed at the great power/responsibility of wielding Tony's EDITH system, and horrified at it falling into the hands of a villain, but doesn't question the existence of the thing in the first place, or try to destroy it. By this point, omni-hacking space drone systems are the new "blue laser in the sky that will turn the whole city into (blank)" and the audience is more bored than horrified when the apparatus is unveiled.

The films have hedged on the cultural commentary you seek because they are made in Capitalist USA where “this technology is good in *my* hands but if it fell into the WRONG hands...” is probably inscribed in Latin on a wall in the Pentagon somewhere.

lol Doc's complaints about the moral inconsistency of MCU are cuet

like holy moly of course this convoluted garbage doesn't make any sense

Did you bring Morbs with you by any chance

Ant-man (who is a doofus) can deal with quantum physics, etc.

You know Ant Man is an electrical engineer, right? In the comics, he used to work for Stark and it’s stated the movies that he went to jail for stealing damaging info from his employer so he could be a whistleblower.

Doc C: Why do you need all of the characters to turn to the screen and say in unison “AND THAT IS WHY TONY STARK WAS WRONG” in order for the movies to be a critique of Tony Stark?

No, I did not know he was an "electrical engineer," but whether or not that qualifies him for handling next-level quantum theory, in the MCU he is undoubtedly a doofus.

Which says nothing about whether he's dumb or not.

Dude is portrayed as being goofy, but not a complete idiot. He's also not portrayed as being as smart as Banner and Stark; this doesn't make him dumb! The only actually dumb characters they have in the movies are Thor and half of the Guardians.

Intelligence: not actually a generic quality rated on a scale from 3 to 18

There are def. degrees of smartness in this movie, from so smart they can literally invent anything (Stark, Banner, Rocket?) to gotta be pretty smart (Loki, Black Widow, Spider-man), to dunno/doesn't matter (Captain Marvel, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch - what does she even do?) to dumb (Star Lord, Drax, Thor). The broader question is if there's anyone in the MCU too stupid to figure out Stark's state of the art automated technology.

(these movies, not this movie specifically)

If the contention is that P Parker's science geek chops feel tacked-on in this movie that seems fair to me

I mean Pythagorean Theorem? really?

re: Ant-Man: I think his coming up with the time-travel idea is fine. He doesn't have any idea how to build a time machine, he just observes that his time in the quantum realm passed differently than it did for everyone else. Michelle Pfeiffer may have gone through something similar and shared it with him off-camera in AM&TW. So he comes to the Avengers and says hey, I've got these quantum gadgets and they have something to do with time; you guys think we could build a time machine? Seems viable. The only gap is that we don't have Reed Richards here, so Banner and Stark are having to do a level of Impossible Science that I don't normally associate with either of them, but ehhh, hey.

re: Tony Stark: I definitely don't need what you think I need, DJP! I just think in a spree of movies where the most popular character is always building murder robots, for nobody to ever tell him "it's wrong to murder people with robots" is striking, given that there are many times characters have long drag-out fights with him over every other problem save that one. I'm not looking for a Greek chorus condemning him - I'm looking for a screenplay to a passable 100-minute techno-thriller that has these issues on its mind. Even The Dark Knight's surveillance-state business, which certainly tips into "DO YOU SEE?" territory, does manage to spell this out as a conflict: Freeman thinks it's wrong, Bale thinks the ends justify the means, and Bale going down that path is cast as one of many sacrifices he's made towards stopping the Joker. Perhaps a bit pat and convenient, but the audience is meant to understand this as one of the moral conflicts between the characters. If it was a Marvel movie, Freeman would have beheld the surveillance gizmo and started arguing with Bale about what if it falls into the wrong hands. Or over a sudden revelation that Thomas Wayne ran over his dog.

IMHO the screenwriters didn't have to have Tony invent all these terrifying drone systems. They chose to do that and then to duck the implications. I think this is because the filmmakers ultimately think these gadgets are not in themselves terrifying, but really cool (in the right hands), for reasons Tombot succinctly sketched above. Far From Home's plot hinges on Spider-Man discovering the incredible, omnipotent death powers he wields; his response is not to say "Happy, I don't think what Tony built is right - let's shut it off" or even "We need to go public with this - it doesn't feel right that people don't know this thing is up there." Rather, his relationship to the gizmo is through a Spider-Man character arc concerning who should wield it: first he doesn't believe he's worthy of the great power and great responsibility, then later he determines that he is. It's something that disappoints me in these movies, which again I have otherwise enjoyed, mostly.

btw have we discussed the elephant in the room?

https://youtu.be/U_wDGbQYlK8

Waiting for the Night Monkey spinoff.

xpost That is sort of what I was getting at. When the character and the superpower are inextricable, That's where we get a lot of the conflicts between power and responsibility. But these movies have been promoting Tony Stark technology as the peak of power, equalling or even trumping even superpowers, and they continually fall into the wrong hands, so you would think that would be greater moral and ethical questions. Vs, I dunno, Spider-Man, who is given these powers he can't turn off and has to decide what to do with them.

night monkey ruled!

tho for a moment yesterday talking about peter's science gifts, i entertained the idea that it'd be cool if he was a fashion geek (going to like a "design" high school.... y'know everybody's booking time on the MakerBots etc.) and that his main non-super-powered addition to spider-man would simply have been the design of the costume. a cute reversal of the idea that the first, home-made costume must necessarily be kinda goofy and bad.

(oh and IOW: that he would have his own backup costume designed to make him look like some other themed hero entirely. feel like the comics have done this at some point, but i might just be thinking of Hawkeye being Ronin or Cap becoming Nomad.)

oh and another thing i thought verged RIGHT on the edge of being too winky-winky but was actually very delightful and got applause: the montage "toast" sequence laying out mysterio's origin. are we in spoilers?

next movie is the REAL night monkey getting revenge for spider-man stealing his or her shtick
night monkey is probably french or belgian

Would be funny if instead of Venom his black suit nemesis was Night Monkey.

in this universe, his black suit nemesis will be a dumb techno-costume tony built for him that gets a mind of its own when it falls into the hands of, let's say the Ringmaster (played by Elijah Wood)

I've got to hand it to Spider-Man, though: after a lot of fumbling and lack of confidence, he really took those drone things down hardcore in the last act

The nemeses will be college apps. If he has six top choices and they are all sinister...

alternatively, "the sinister six" could be the marvel universe nickname for the Ivy League. anything is possible!

on the other hand there's a scene where he's wearing a t-shirt of i think literally the pythagorean theorem and my son's like "dad look at his shirt, he's a geek"

― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, July 8, 2019 1:59 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

it's a meme-y tshirt of a geometry question that asks you to "find x" and then the x is circled

ahh that makes much more sense

lol Tracer I didn't realize THAT is the shirt you were talking about

IMHO the screenwriters didn't have to have Tony invent all these terrifying drone systems.

I feel like this fundamentally goes against decades of established characterization.

I also should rewatch all of these movies before commenting on them but I feel like the objections you're raising are... all expressed in the movie, just via subtext rather than overtly?

I had only had dim memories of Homecoming - I think I had only seen it on a plane prior, so I watched it last night- Keaton was great in it. The two movies are probably about as good as one another on balance.

Like, the entire throughline of the "wrong hands" argument is that certain things shouldn't be done because the potential for abuse is too great; sure I might trust you not to go too far with it but do I trust your successor? And the movies show what happens and reinforce the idea through storytelling that these things aren't the wonderful ideas they may look like at first blush, and the characters deal with the fallout, both good and bad (the objection to Vision I find interesting considering that he couldn't exist as a sentient character without that arc, which is adapted from the comics so that Stark is responsible for his creation rather than Pym; you're making the argument that Age of Ultron should have ended with them murdering an ally).

I also think that the villains in these movies being directly motivated/created by Stark isn't accidental. Tony and his methods brought as much harm upon the world as they did good, which is partially why he's so reluctant to jump back into the fray in Endgame and why his actions at the end have so much resonance. You say "they missed the opportunity to do this as a redemption arc for Tony Stark when, IMO, that is exactly what they did.

(And one of the side-effects of a redemption arc is rose-colored glasses get directed upon your faults, which is why the public perception in Far From Home is so fawning and why Beck's connection to Stark is important in underlining how Stark's M.O. had profound negative consequences.)

His MO of farty acronyms? Hm... maybe next Tony inspired villain will be MODOK : Malignant Odor Designed Only for Kvetching

See, to me, "this can't fall into the wrong hands" is different from "certain things shouldn't be done because the potential for abuse is too great." To you, one implies the other, but in simplistic action movies it's easy to resolve "wrong hands" by getting it back into "the right hands," and that's that. Indeed this is precisely the resolution of Spider-Man: Far From Home: it was bad that the bad guy got the glasses. Thank goodness, Peter realizes that he was good enough to wield the glasses all along, and then, thank goodness, he gets them back. Order is restored. It's a little like "the wicked brother has usurped the throne" stories for children: we celebrate when the true, good king returns. If I said "this basically endorses the notion of monarchy and rule by divine or blood right," would you say "what are you talking about - the film shows that it's bad when a bad king is on the throne so clearly it's in the subtext that throne-based government is no good"?

To me what it comes down to is that the nature of the objections to the drone murder systems is never "there shouldn't be a drone murder system." It's always some adjacent or even parallel problem: you went off and built it without consulting us, you wouldn't listen to me when I said Bucky was innocent, etc. In a universe with like two hundred characters and ~supposedly~ able to tell all kinds of varied stories, in which everyone is constantly mad at Tony for all kinds of other things, in which Tony's origin story is that he ostensibly decides to no longer make weapons, it's conspicuous that nobody is raising this point.

Re: Ultron and Vision, I'm definitely not arguing that they should have murdered an ally! I'm arguing that the movie should have been written differently. If you're saddling me with all but the last ten minutes and saying "okay, all this stuff can't be changed, now end this story," is that really fair? Similarly, it doesn't really matter what decades of Tony's established characterization are. Tomei's Aunt May is more or less the opposite of the comic book character, who is defined by hating Spider-Man, not knowing his identity, and being one thousand years old. Tbh I haven't read a lot of Iron Man comics - are spy-and-execute satellites really that big a thing for him? The only big character things I can immediately think of for comics Tony are him being an alcoholic (something the movies dispensed with in one and a half scenes) and him being a high-handed establishment authority figure (something the movies garbled by making him a wise-ass rebel executive, meaning that when they get to Civil War, making him The Man versus rebel Cap is a serious screenwriting Hail Mary).

re: Tony's arc and the implication/subtext that he's really been a real problem - I'm open to this but it's something we have to read into the films, not something that's there. Okay: not everything has to be spelled out! But these are superhero movies that spell tons of other things out (witness the nightmarish scene in GOTG with Kurt Russell going line by line through "Brandy"). As well, one of the great accomplishments is supposed to be that they feel like an interconnected tapestry - so why can't characters call out things from previous films so that it feels more like an intentional downward-then-upward long-term arc? If they really intended Tony to be an asshole, it would not have been hard, or make the films be painfully literal and dumbed-down, to toss this into AoU:

STEVE: "Tony, you can't appoint yourself the guardian of the world. No man can."
TONY: "Couldn't agree more. That's why I'm putting it in the hands of an AI. A good AI. Programmed to look out for us. To fight the fights we might not be around for."
STEVE: "I've heard that before - from Fury. His system was supposed to make us safe, but HYDRA almost used it to murder millions of people. And after that, I realized something. It's not just WHO has the power ----"
TONY: "You mean 'what.' Not who. AI? Computers? I know you know what computers are by now."
STEVE: "I'm serious, Stark! It's that nobody SHOULD have the power. This --- this thing you've created, this power to invade people's lives, to kill people because you've decided to create this without consulting the world you're trying to protect ---- it's all wrong!"
TONY: "Oh okay, I get it. I'm arrogant for wanting to detect threats and stop them, by whatever it takes. But us deciding to put on custom suits and go punch the bad guys? That's A-OK with you? What I think is, I'm a realist, and there are threats out there, and if Ultron can stop them, we need Ultron. Get out of my way, Steve. I'm turning it on."

(FIGHT ENSUES. TONY SUBDUES STEVE AND ACTIVATES ULTRON. FROM THIS POINT ON, TONY IS AN EVIL VILLAIN UNTIL HIS REDEMPTION ARC STARTS, BECAUSE DOING WHAT TONY IS DOING IS ACTUALLY *BAD* AND NOT JUST A BIG MISUNDERSTANDING THAT ALLOWS ALL SIDES TO COME OUT UNSCATHED AS DESIRABLE HEROIC ACTION FIGURES.)

on reflection it is possible i have become the Vision, only instead of Jarvis and Ultron, i am the fusion of Morbs and Tuomas

Doc OTM on this one IMO, I hate all this military drone techno-thriller stuff in Spider-Man

fun movie though despite that

also - isn't Spider-Man the wisecrackin' hero? Does he make one quip this whole movie?

Iron Man is the hero who solves problems by building weapon systems he can fly around in.

.. .and remote control.

also - isn't Spider-Man the wisecrackin' hero? Does he make one quip this whole movie?

― Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, July 9, 2019

"i love led zeppelin"

I think they’re better off writing him as a teen goof who is trying his hardest AND trying to play down how little he knows about what he’s doing than a quippy wisecracker

? Quippy wisecracker (incl false bravado) is Spider-man’s defining characteristic.

One of the reasons i find the character tiresome but thats beside the point

toning it down for MCU is good. nonstop catskills humor in the middle of a fist fight seems like mmmm possibly not that effective onscreen

I feel like the last film had a better sense of the thing where up against Flash, he's hopeless, but with the mask on, he's got the confidence to toss zingers - like in the ATM robbery scene.

Yeah thats standard m.o. for writing the character

It's also how he was in Civil War and they did bits of it in this movie, although not as much because he was really in a headspace of "I'm not sure I want to be Spider-Man" for most of it.

"i love led zeppelin"

cool to have comics references in this movie

Saw this today & loved it.
Tom Holland is such a good Spidey/Peter & they handle all the teen stuff so well. And there’s nothing I love more than hero’s journey stories;i mean i know they kind of all are versions of that but this one has him outright rejecting the call, not even on the fence or doubting but basically saying NO... I love the way Holland showed the emotion in that, and Fury being like Marvel Great Santini at him was such good drama.

And Zendaya! Those two have SUCH great chemistry.

I got teary when Peter & Happy were talking about Tony. I still miss him too!! idc if he was a warmonger or w/e

Jake was fkn great, I was thinking later he would have been a good Spidey in his younger days. though maybe his acting chops now are better than they were then so that is prob moot. His heel turn was great, and I enjoyed the meta special-effects angle of the story.

Super dork moment: When Mysterio/Quentin & Peter were at the bar all i kept thinking was how great would it have been if Peter was drinking an Aqua Velva!? :D

it makes spider-man seem like a total dumbass who hasn't learned anything from anything and has to go through the same arc each movie. kind of a harry potter thing. or an iron man thing for that matter.

― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Monday, July 8, 2019 12:18 PM (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink

This was Mr Veg’s complaint too but I feel like it discounts Peter’s age & that he’s an anxious self-doubter at heart. Ok so he overcomes x but that doesn’t mean his baggage gets left at the door. When he faces y he’s still going to panic & freak out because he’s still ~emotionally~ the same guy. For him, with a doubter’s mind & low self-esteem all x just taught him is that he could do x! We see him as a superhero but he’s not able to see himself that way so he still makes decisions as a teenager, not as a superhero. He’s not got the confidence or perspective to assume he can now do y or even z for that matter. Maybe that’s annoying for ppl to watch but that’s kinda how life is when you have that mindset. Just bc you have superpowers doesn’t mean that goes away.

So I saw this yesterday, and it was fine but I think pretty firmly bottom-tier MCU for me. Way below Homecoming imo. I'm glad lots of folks itt enjoyed it as much as they did, though. It was fun, and the cast is still great, but it just seemed to be missing something. Kinda feel like someone reading the script should've at some point said, 'Oh hey guys, you know the thing where a chunk of the last movie revolved around mishaps during a class trip? Maybe we don't need to go back to that well in the very next movie.' Seeing the WTF look on my unwitting gf's face during the Mysterio reveal was fun. The mid- and post-credits scenes were great, but problematic inasmuch as they're probably the scenes that grabbed my interest the most. The scenes during the actual movie should be the ones to do that, maybe.

Disappointed that Ned and Betty's breakup in no way involved a goblin mask or pumpkin bombs, boooooo.

I wanted a few more bantz with Mysterio's team

One of my favorite things about these Marvel movies, maybe even (especially even?) the not so good ones, is how their tiers and unevenness or whatever sort of reflect how the comics themselves work. There might be an epic arc for a couple of months, followed (or interrupted) by some silly one off storylines. Not every issue is a major crossover event, some are just, I dunno, Peter Parker trying to pick up the dry-cleaning.

I do agree that the biggest (or any of the biggest) moments in these movies really should not occur after the movie is over.

I went and re-watched Homecoming after seeing this and they're both good, but Homecoming definitely superior. I had forgotten how menacing Keaton was. Still, the cast went a long way for me, and I found them more fun- maybe more relaxed as an ensemble- to watch this time around.

I mean the cast in Far from Home vs Homecoming

The car ride Peter takes with Keaton in Homecoming is probably the best moment of suspense filmmaking in this entire enterprise.

totally! I love keaton's speech - the way it's delivered and staged.

Ahahahahahahahaa

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adambvary/spider-man-leaving-mcu-tom-holland-marvel-studios

Good luck with yr fucken Morbius movie you absolute nutsacks.

I’m sure they’ll pony up the dough

spider-man has died

Of dysentery

SONY letting Disney figure Spider-Man out for them and then walking away with Disney's ideas and not paying them for it – well, every writer, director, and animator in LA can see why that's funny, is all I'm saying.

— Ben Schwartz !¡!¡ (@benschwartz_) August 21, 2019

Do u really think Sony has wrapped its head around the formula, tho, because...I'm not convinced.

Venom >>>> basically all the MCU stuff I've seen tbh

i mean, no, but i respect where you're coming from on that one. it's a terrible movie but an extraordinary viewing experience.

the latter negates the former imho

absolutely! file under "i loved this, i want to see it again, and i wouldn't recommend it to anyone"

Venom was 40 minutes of entertainment and the rest was...a thing

Venom was a barely passable airplane movie. At least I could make out what Hardy was saying most of the time in it.

Oi u in pieces bruh

Simon, what percentage of the impetus for seeing Venom in the first place was the puckish, premeditated thrill of disseminating the notion that a widely-panned film was better than the entire MCU slate? 40%? 60?

Venom was decent

[Venom was a barely passable airplane movie. At least I could make out what Hardy was saying most of the time in it.]

^^^ Of the three leads, Riz Ahmed was the only watchable actor. Hardy's mumbled New York accent and constant "OMYGOD WHAT'S HAPPENING!?" made me yearn for Nic Cage's nuanced Johnny Blaze. Michelle Williams was low-key and seemed tranquilized. The FX were decent enough.

Problem was Upgrade was the same movie but 300 times better

sony pretty much made my favourite superhero movie ever with multiverse and one of my top 5 videogames ever with the ps4 spidey

Upgrade, featuring Other Tom Hardy, was great.

Oh I way preferred venom to upgrade

God I hate Disney bootlickers on Twitter

Simon, what percentage of the impetus for seeing Venom in the first place was the puckish, premeditated thrill of disseminating the notion that a widely-panned film was better than the entire MCU slate? 40%? 60?

uh, no percent. I heard it was batshit and endearingly dumb and it was. also, Riz-as-Musk getting owned was pretty cathartic

MCU has backed itself into a corner with the entire “important people solving important problems” shtick and has jettisoned a lot of what makes comic books fun.

The Venom movie had some slapstick moments and dumb humor bits that didn’t quite land but having a character that didn’t spend the whole movie deathly afraid of losing control, because he never had it, was a nice departure. The motorcycle chase was actual fun.

MCU has backed itself into a corner with the entire “important people solving important problems” shtick and has jettisoned a lot of what makes comic books fun.

I categorically disagree with this.

Among the things I find fun in comic books:

- banter
- heroes facing near-insurmountable odds
- villains who operate off of deception rather than strength
- reality-bending events
- normal people stepping up to impossible tasks

MCU has all of this in spades, IMO

God I hate Disney bootlickers on Twitter

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, August 21, 2019 10:51 AM (two hours ago)

wait til they find out why Spiderman isn't public domain despite being nearly 60 yrs old

I appreciate all of those things as well, but I need a healthy dose of joy and wonder

Unfortunately, my writing skills leave a lot to be desired so my Ghost Rider script where a number of background characters are heard to exclaim, “holy shit, that guy’s head is on fire!” is yet to be produced

For joy and wonder, hoping the MCU folds in the FF soon and has a Kirby-esque exploration of the Negative Zone, Blastaar, Annihilus, etc. Would be a nice precursor for the next 22 films culminating in an Annihilation Wave.

rob with the key point there: most everything kirby and ub iwerks and co touched should absolutely be in the public hands by now. that it's not is one of the main reasons why we're in this weird nostalgia culture ouroboros in the first place.

^^^

also

Stan Lee's daughter sides with Sony over #SpiderMan dispute, says no one could have treated her father "worse than Marvel and Disney's executives:"https://t.co/YlQbWOv8HA pic.twitter.com/GlBdyazD7I

— Comicbook.com (@ComicBook) August 22, 2019

real high-quality witness there

Eh, stories about her own relationship with her father haven't exactly been glowing.

ha, xpost

is she the one that was accused of elder abuse?

They only had one daughter. (There were many accusations of elder abuse against a variety of parties, though.)

(One living daughter, I should clarify - another died three days after birth, so was not accused of committing elder abuse at the age of 69.)

nice

This was terrible -- depressingly terrible, i.e. hundreds of millions spent on third-rate video game effects.

And Jake wasn't nude.

Why don't you use some of those graphics to make a Jake nood video

Deepfake!

The awkward high school comedy was the best, and a couple of Jake's scenes with Hollnad (i.e. the bar scene in Italy) had real charm, but, oy, that last third.

I do not like Shouty Jake -- the Jake of Nightcrawler, although I can see the connection between the two characters: on-the-spectrum tech bro who can't handle being thwarted.

The high school comedy was much better in the first film, though. I do like that there is a real focus on high school comedy in this series, but no, this was not a good film.

Far From Home doesn’t get enough credit for the soundtrack imo.

The Official Trailer for the third of these, with everyone that we'd heard about and a few more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYzbalQ6Lg8

They are sending Tom Holland out to fight armed with the same joke as three and a half years ago, though ("oh, we're using our made-up names?")

I truly love the sleuthing of Brazilian twitter that has convinced people characters were digitally removed from this (or a version of) the trailer to keep some surprises. And I believe it, too!

Hah. Probably true though - they do things like that all the time! Most obvious I can remember was that thing with the eye in Thor: Ragnarok's trailer, and more recently a costume change in Black Widow's trailer to not spoil a last act surprise.

pretty much everything about this movie smacks of desperation???

looks like utter trash too

This movie (or at least the trailer) does seem desperate or messy, but the last two Spider-Man movies were good fun (three, if you include the cartoon), he's been a high point of the other Marvel movies, and Marvel has yet to make a movie that felt desperate or looked like utter trash, so benefit of the doubt, I guess.

also feels like a big Tom Holland and/or Spidey send-off from the MCU, which i guess it is time for

Marvel has yet to make a movie that looked like utter trash

citation needed

for as like increditerrible as the garfield movies could be they are far less anonymous than mcu spidey. far from home was dreadful, homecoming pretty much only elevated on michael keaton’s shoulders

this looks like the actual shitty version of the raimi spider-man 3. dr. strange saying “scooby-do it!” what the ever living fuck is that

lol brad i'm glad someone else had my same reaction to this trailer.

also seems reeeeeeeally similar to the premise of Into the Spider-Verse, which was pretty much a masterpiece imho. gorgeous film, incredible sense of heart, breathtaking action. they couldn't have waited a little while to reuse the premise of a multiverse of Spidey characters?

my understanding from my students' comments is that Maguire and Garfield are also in this, which is somehow both more and less desperate than bringing in the villains from the Raimi and Webb films as literal ghosts. what a weird idea. can't Spidey just save downtown Flushing from the Rhino or something? why is he so bound up with Doctor Strange, if it's not a New Defenders movie? i hate the idea that he always has to be paired with the current Senior Schmuck of the Marvel films.

seems really stupid to do the "Spider-Man unmasked" twist at the end of the last film, then have it be reversed in seemingly the first act of this one --- by Peter Parker screwing up a magic spell, apparently?! this was the same basic error made in the comics about ten years ago, when Spider-Man unmasked himself; a bunch of horrible things happened as a consequence, and he pretty swiftly struck a deal with Mephisto to change it all back, at the price of undoing his marriage (which editorial had decided made him seem too old and stuffy, apparently). this was not exactly a widely-celebrated series of developments, so it's funny that they would use it as the basis for a big giant cinematic story.

I’m excited and worried and of course I’ll see it.