THOUGHT EXPERIMENT: ABOLISH OFFSIDES

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what would happen

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 15:59 (eight years ago) link

I wouldn't be the only person who thinks Inzaghi is the best player ever

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:03 (eight years ago) link

idk a lot of tactical ideas would have to be buried

my #footballidea is: no players above 25 allowed for clubs/nations, only 3 vets, like olympics (23 tho)

imagine the market for older players!!!

moullet, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:04 (eight years ago) link

offsides is already outlawed iirc

Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:04 (eight years ago) link

the offsides rule seems contrary to the sprit of the game imho, i dont really know anything abt footie per say but looking around online a lot of the speculation as to what waht would happen were a game to be played w/out this one weird rule doesnt pass the smell test, heapings of obvious status quo bias, praise of all things a well executed offsides trap which is like the #1 argument against the rule in the first place, people saying itd just be school yard soccer w/tons of long breakaways and a million goals a game assuming that defensive tactics wouldnt change at all, obvs itd have a huge effect on the game but exactly what that would look like isnt necessarily obvious, im surprised some lesser league hasnt given it a shot, just for a larf

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:06 (eight years ago) link

offsides are extremely important when players get tired imo

moullet, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:08 (eight years ago) link

offsides is already outlawed iirc

― Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:04 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the concept of offsides isnt outlawed

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:10 (eight years ago) link

offsides are extremely important when players get tired imo

― moullet, Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:08 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

only allowing two substitutions a game is also kinda curious imho

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:12 (eight years ago) link

eh?

pandemic, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:13 (eight years ago) link

three

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:13 (eight years ago) link

I feel like 'but players will get tired' arguments are lame, endurance is a part of sports, this is also why there should be no penalty kicks / weird overtime in any sport, and players should just play til they drop

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:15 (eight years ago) link

the quality of play drops so dramatically at the end of games and especially overtime, its really like why have this inferior product when youve got all these dudes just sitting there, in basketball you can do infinity substitutions

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:17 (eight years ago) link

but anyway back to abolishing offsides, would it produce more goals, would soccer be better w/more goals

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:20 (eight years ago) link

0-0 ties are kinda lame, would anyone be upset if there were fewer of those

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:21 (eight years ago) link

nah, i think the difficulty of scoring is one of the things that makes a football goal a treat, sports where both teams rack up big scores have other pleasures but the act of scoring itself is diminished in them imo

Shrimpface Killah (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:21 (eight years ago) link

yeah but lets say scoring increased by 25% would that really ruin that aspect

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:22 (eight years ago) link

it'd probably produce some more goals, but ugly ones and as part of what's nevertheless a generally much more defensive game.

Merdeyeux, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:23 (eight years ago) link

was watching some handball yesterday in the Olympics and it was just "run up one end, throw ball in net, run down other end, shot hits keeper and misses, run down first end and so on and so on", all the goals were mundane and boring to the untrained eye

Shrimpface Killah (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:23 (eight years ago) link

whats the ideal average score of a game

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:24 (eight years ago) link

it'd probably produce some more goals, but ugly ones and as part of what's nevertheless a generally much more defensive game.

― Merdeyeux, Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:23 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

im curious what the assumption is that itd produce ugly goals is

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:24 (eight years ago) link

my ideal score is 1-0 but i'm a purist

Shrimpface Killah (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:26 (eight years ago) link

fwiw i dont think generally scoring a lot or scoring a little has anything to do w/the enjoyment of a game, each game prob has its own ideal average score, like baseball gets tedious if its too high scoring but also is kinda boring if its too low scoring, they score tons of points in basketball and its the best, cricket is wildly popular in much of the world and they rack up huge numbers of runs, low scoring may be key to soccer in particular, but generally i dont think any such rule applies, i mean no one likes team handball its prob got problems beside the high scoring

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:28 (eight years ago) link

tbh the tactical changes that'd result are hard to imagine (but i think it'd necessitate the defensive players being more defence-minded and goal-hanging at all times, as the attacking players would be free to be more attack-minded and goal-hanging at all times), but my feeling is that many more goals would come from errors and luck rather than sharp breakaways and cleverly picking your way through the defence and such.

Merdeyeux, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:29 (eight years ago) link

not necessarily ugly goals but ugly games i think, the idea is that offside creates the necessity to play more intricate football in order to get into goal-scoring positions. games like basketball or ice hockey don't need offside because it's so much quicker and easier to go from defence to attack, the extra size and players on a football pitch means the ball spends a lot more time in the middle of the park. it's true to say plenty of people find this boring but they shd go and watch some other sport ;-)

Shrimpface Killah (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:29 (eight years ago) link

you're quite right tho it isn't the number of points that makes a game "work" it is something more subtle about the rhythm of the game.

Shrimpface Killah (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:32 (eight years ago) link

i think itd def open up the middle of the field, which would cause there to be less of the game played there, and fwiw my objection to offsides isnt that it causes the score to be too low, or that theres too much intermediate play, its that it seems like a weird punitive rules to an otherwise natural and free flowing game, but i dont really know anything abt the game, so im curious to see what other have to say

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:33 (eight years ago) link

i'm trying to think how i would adjust strategy to take advantage of no offside. i mean, would you sacrifice a player from the rest of the pitch to have him constantly in the keeper's face?

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:34 (eight years ago) link

fwiw soccer used to be higher scoring not that long ago right and people liked it, in basketball the game had gotten more and more defensive over time and they recently removed a rule illegal defense that had been around forever that was kinda simliar to offsides and it for sure improved the game even tho people had argued forever that it was essential

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:36 (eight years ago) link

i suspect one of the big changes is that defenders would just have to be more cognizant of playing behind their men, prob have to back up a lil

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:37 (eight years ago) link

wd create a new striker position, goalkeepers tormentor (GT)

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:37 (eight years ago) link

just some rly annoying guy talking trash about the goalie's momma and then punt gollllllllllll and then he doesn't go anywhere bc his job is to torment the goalkeeper so he just chews his nails and sits them at the goalie's feet

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:39 (eight years ago) link

spits

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:39 (eight years ago) link

i guess if in general defenders are forced to play deeper without the protection of offside then that is going to tend towards slower games, more football in the middle of the park or more long balls, and probably less scoring.

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:39 (eight years ago) link

the big question seems to me is would it be effective to just send a bunch of guys into the box and boot it up there

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:40 (eight years ago) link

ice hockey does have offsides btw, although it is not quite the same as in football

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:41 (eight years ago) link

it would be worth considering having a giant nose tackle built player, even more emphasis on fat over muscle, and just having him get in the keeper's way constantly

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:42 (eight years ago) link

i have always kind of hated offside but thanks to this thought experiment i am finally coming round to it

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:43 (eight years ago) link

i dont watch hockey but when i was searching for infos on abolishing football offsides i read something i think abt them doing away w/it in international hockey

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:44 (eight years ago) link

haha xp

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:44 (eight years ago) link

i kinda think MLS should abolish offsides and change some other rules because thatd be an awesome disrespectful american thing to do, and i mean why not before you just have another second rate league, now you have a crazy second rate league thats a laboratory for the rest of the world and everyone has opinons abt it

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:47 (eight years ago) link

joe, prophet of d∞m

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:49 (eight years ago) link

MLS is doing ok for a teenaged soccer league

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:50 (eight years ago) link

#footieconcepts

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:50 (eight years ago) link

who is futbol's Jeff van gundy

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:50 (eight years ago) link

ya i watched an mls game the other day an i was impressed w/the enthusiasm and number of fans, but i still think itd be better if it went crazy

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:51 (eight years ago) link

btw why is the olympics 23 and under expect 3 guys, thats really strange

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:52 (eight years ago) link

compromise to amateurism of olympics while still trying to have some ppl who can play soccer

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:53 (eight years ago) link

but none of the other sports do that

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:53 (eight years ago) link

nba is considering it

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:54 (eight years ago) link

football is easily the best sport in the world, doesnt need rule changes

this is pathetic btw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJEnwi7otu0

moullet, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:54 (eight years ago) link

ya IMO that's fucking dumb
didn't you gits learn anything about THE DREM TEAM

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:54 (eight years ago) link

i kinda think MLS should abolish offsides and change some other rules because thatd be an awesome disrespectful american thing to do, and i mean why not before you just have another second rate league, now you have a crazy second rate league thats a laboratory for the rest of the world and everyone has opinons abt it

― lag∞n, Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:47 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i like this

Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:54 (eight years ago) link

if it were the full teams it might draw too much attention away from the other stuff

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (eight years ago) link

David stern doesn't want his precious toys to be opened and become near-mint condition

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (eight years ago) link

Olympics should be, as a rule, dopest players v dopest players

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:55 (eight years ago) link

football is easily the best sport in the world, doesnt need rule changes

― moullet, Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:54 PM (22 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

even if its the best, doesnt mean it cant be improved, thinking otherwise is a setup for DOWNFALL

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:56 (eight years ago) link

tbh it would be hard to gaf about olympic soccer if there were no restrictions. with something like basketball it is p much your only chance to roll out a national side, so i can understand the appeal more.

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:56 (eight years ago) link

ya but if it really is the dopest soccer players then you basically have the world cup on top of the olympics

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:56 (eight years ago) link

even if there were no restrictions

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:56 (eight years ago) link

besides, U23 wd mean Michael Jordan can't declare Tunisian citizenship and have one more go in 2016

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:57 (eight years ago) link

every sport could use some tweaks, most of my problems with soccer are w/ the ridiculous amount of flopping but i understand it is like bit even cool to bring this up

Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:57 (eight years ago) link

that was an xp to m bison xp to rs

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:57 (eight years ago) link

yeah mine was an xp to myself

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:58 (eight years ago) link

bit = not

Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:58 (eight years ago) link

abolish XPs

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 16:58 (eight years ago) link

tbh it would be hard to gaf about olympic soccer if there were no restrictions. with something like basketball it is p much your only chance to roll out a national side, so i can understand the appeal more.

― Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:56 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

basketball actually has a world cup tournament every four years that apparently everyone save the usa takes more seriously than the olympics

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:00 (eight years ago) link

ya but if it really is the dopest soccer players then you basically have the world cup on top of the olympics

― iatee, Sunday, July 29, 2012 12:56 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this would be awesome tho, and tbf its a mini world cup cause half as many teams

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:00 (eight years ago) link

ya but think of the synchronized swimmers, who is gonna watch them when they're on at the same time as brazil vs spain

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:01 (eight years ago) link

xps oh lol, who knew? don't they do something like that with baseball too, between PR, DR and Japan?

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:01 (eight years ago) link

already have the euro during olympic years

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:01 (eight years ago) link

world baseball classic, coming this march

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:02 (eight years ago) link

it is a joek

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:02 (eight years ago) link

basketball world cup is p sweet tho obvs itd be better if the usa wasnt so superior to everyone else, tho they have due to a combination of single elimination format, international rules, top players opting out, and bad officiating actually lost a couple times

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:05 (eight years ago) link

top players have pretty busy schedules with their clubs in all these sports. i can see getting up for an olympics or world cup every four years, but fuck a davis cup

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:12 (eight years ago) link

leave the davis cup for tennis or golf or whatever

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 17:12 (eight years ago) link

sports where both teams rack up big scores have other pleasures but the act of scoring itself is diminished in them imo

that's why i like basketball, because scoring itself is often (like every few points) extremely entertaining, involving dunks, layups, fakes, etc

itd just be school yard soccer

strikes me as correct OR you could just watch indoor soccer and see what you think of that

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:36 (eight years ago) link

lol it would resemble neither, how ridiculous

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:53 (eight years ago) link

its like saying the only thing separating the nba from a pick up game is the three second rule

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:54 (eight years ago) link

you can play zone d in the nba now; that's the only thing separating it from pickup

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 18:57 (eight years ago) link

wtf did ILF turn into bigsoccer

DX Dx DX (dan m), Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:09 (eight years ago) link

i'm not suggesting it'd be indoor soccer (cause it's not indoors and the ball doesn't bounce off walls and it's not played like five per side) just that maybe indoor soccer is something to think about (cf NV bringing up hockey)

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:12 (eight years ago) link

actually doesn't hockey have an offsides rule too, isn't that what "icing" is?

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:13 (eight years ago) link

icing is different from offsides

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:13 (eight years ago) link

could we have a thread about promotion/relegation in MLS next plz

xp offside in hockey is the exact same concept except the blue line is the threshold instead of the last defender.

DX Dx DX (dan m), Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:14 (eight years ago) link

I've never really understood icing

obv we should have relegation in every American sport, it's the most ruthless concept, I love it

catbus otm (gbx), Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:15 (eight years ago) link

icing is basically to prevent one team from wasting tons of time by firing the puck all the way into the opponent's end repeatedly

DX Dx DX (dan m), Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:17 (eight years ago) link

ok they call that offside or they call that icing, dan?

i thought icing was intentionally firing the puck past "the blue line" so that your dude could zip up there and technically not be offside?

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:18 (eight years ago) link

ah i didn't realize it was a time-wasting / defensive tactic

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:18 (eight years ago) link

i don't watch hockey, i feel like i can't ever see the puck

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:18 (eight years ago) link

icing is firing the puck from your half of the ice to beyond the other extended goal line -- generally because your team is under pressure and you're just haphazardly trying to relieve it

the puck must enter the offensive zone (at the blue line) before any offensive players or it is offside

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:21 (eight years ago) link

(there also used to be an offside aka two-line pass, but that is currently legal)

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:22 (eight years ago) link

Where are all my ilf homies? What sport are you talking about? Who even are you guys?

Trying to imagine what would happen: I can't recall exactly why the rule was introduced, but it (eventually, after about fifty years) had the very odd unintended consequence that the effective field-of-play moves around the actual field-of-play based on where the defenders are positioned. So play gets compressed into a much tighter area (benefitting quick-thinking, quick-footed players) with a gap behind them that you need expert timing to attack.

So if the rule were abolished, the following would probably happen:

  • defenders would sit deeper to close off the vulnerable area behind them
  • making the effective field-of-play much bigger
  • meaning less skilful players would prosper
  • probably meaning faster and stronger guys, because there'd be more loose balls to tackle for, and more space to chase into
I'm guessing it'd develop into a game something like basketball, where the tactic would be for the defending team to sit back and let the attackers have control of the pitch outside the 'scoring zone', with only a couple of big, strong forwards to keep them honest. The attacking team would either use this to take long shots, or else neutralise the defenders' numerical advantage by playing high balls to try to score from headers. So defences would double up their full backs to stop crosses from dangerous positions close to the goalline.

It'd be shit.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:23 (eight years ago) link

we could definitely use a klata scale for other sports btw

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:27 (eight years ago) link

this is kinda what indoor and basketball is like except w/ soccer the field is a lot bigger so i'm not sure?

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:27 (eight years ago) link

I'll get working on a modern pentathlon one

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:28 (eight years ago) link

THOUGHT EXPERIMENT: I Love Football as a private board with entry criteria i.e. watching more than 45 minutes every four years

pandemic otm, dan m otm, Klata otm

boxall, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:31 (eight years ago) link

Everyone else should go watch this crazy 'water polo' business, it seems pretty dope but maybe it could be doper, idk?

boxall, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:33 (eight years ago) link

Or is this some sort of payback - are random Brit and Euro ppl polluting ILH with garbage about how Team USA should press full-court every possession because Barcelona etc.?

boxall, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:39 (eight years ago) link

can you even imagine if ILF was packed with a bunch of people who don't really have a clue what they're talking about prattling on inanely?

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:40 (eight years ago) link

nah come on, i'm all for threads like this, it's good to think about why you think the laws of the game work, also i'm all for thought experiments and comparative sport analysis

Shrimpface Killah (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:40 (eight years ago) link

lol Spiralli put it better than me

Shrimpface Killah (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:40 (eight years ago) link

It'd be shit.

DX Dx DX (dan m), Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:42 (eight years ago) link

there are leagues that do crazy rules changes too, ncca men's soccer allows unlimited subs afaik

and mls of course had its own share of 'enhancements' early on

DX Dx DX (dan m), Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:44 (eight years ago) link

ncca = ncaa

DX Dx DX (dan m), Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:45 (eight years ago) link

i kinda think MLS should abolish offsides and change some other rules because thatd be an awesome disrespectful american thing to do, and i mean why not before you just have another second rate league, now you have a crazy second rate league thats a laboratory for the rest of the world and everyone has opinons abt it

1996-level thinking

also this is surprisingly awesome, <3 skeletor bob

While IFAB rules allow teams to substitute three players during games, MLS allowed a fourth, goalkeeper-only substitute. MLS discarded the rule after 2003 and adopted the IFAB standard, prompted in part by a match in which then MetroStars coach and former U.S. national head coach Bob Bradley used a loophole to insert an outfield player as a fourth substitute.

DX Dx DX (dan m), Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:49 (eight years ago) link

I'm not buying that xps, there's generally a minimum discourse level on ILF, it could be higher but it towers over the inanity of this idea. If you don't have any knowledge of what the fuck you're talking about, proposing "innovations" is just disguised derision.

boxall, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:52 (eight years ago) link

In fairness I doubt the modern game could've been foreseen when the offside rule was introduced, so all this conjecture could be bollocks.

But see how England played against Italy? That's probably how to do it if there's no offside. Both teams playing like that.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:52 (eight years ago) link

(ILF open to all btw, Spiralli otm)

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:53 (eight years ago) link

But see how England played against Italy? That's probably how to do it if there's no offside. Both teams playing like that.

― Ismael Klata, Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:52 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

forever.

pandemic, Sunday, 29 July 2012 19:56 (eight years ago) link

I am a new convert to association footballism, but I understand deeply where lagoon is coming from, we share a special bond and vision for the way we like sports

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 20:09 (eight years ago) link

which is to say...how can soccer have sick dunks

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 20:10 (eight years ago) link

ok, as ILHoops mod, I would like to extend an olive branch. if u would like, u may start a lag∞n-brand THOUGHT EXPERIMENT thread of your choice on our board wherein we can imagine basketball w promotion/regulation or if u foul out/flagrant foul your team has 4 players the rest of the game. these are suggestions for THOUGHT EXPERIMENTS, but u might have other visi∞ns.

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 20:40 (eight years ago) link

box = butt

all = hurrtt

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:02 (eight years ago) link

which is to say...how can soccer have sick dunks

u&k

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:02 (eight years ago) link

THOUGHT EXPERIMENT: I Love Football as a private board with entry criteria i.e. watching more than 45 minutes every four years

how about playing morre than 45 minutes per week

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:03 (eight years ago) link

the vengeful hand of status quo bias lashes out, we are left to box it all back

lag∞n, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:04 (eight years ago) link

douche it all bagg

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:05 (eight years ago) link

thought experiment: place additional goals at all four corners and both sides of the midfield, each player for himself, if you shoot for a goal and someone catches it you're eliminated from play

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:06 (eight years ago) link

the idea that all sports are as entertaining as they could be is absurd, I'm for radical changes every year until we find the true optimum entrainment level

but I'm pretty sure what would happen is all sports would evolve into American football

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:08 (eight years ago) link

entertainment lol iphone

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:08 (eight years ago) link

Both teams shoot into the same goal, goalkeeper selected from a third team imo (pro tip: don't get seats at the other end)

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:10 (eight years ago) link

basketball with an oval-shaped ball, bring it on.

and mls of course had its own share of 'enhancements' early on

i remember a diagram in world soccer or something that showed a proposed mls scoring system with the field cut into zones, with more points awarded the farther away from goal you scored from. did this ever happen? (was it a joke i was too young + stupid to get?)

Merdeyeux, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:13 (eight years ago) link

if there were no offsides would avb still be chelsea's manager?

Chris, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:14 (eight years ago) link

the idea that all sports are as entertaining as they could be is absurd, I'm for radical changes every year until we find the true optimum entrainment level

but I'm pretty sure what would happen is all sports would evolve into American football

― iatee, Sunday, July 29, 2012 5:08 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wtf american football is more flawed than basically any of the other sports mentioned itt

Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:20 (eight years ago) link

Thought experiment: goal line technology

DX Dx DX (dan m), Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:22 (eight years ago) link

steady on

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:22 (eight years ago) link

personally i think soccer and basketball are the best sports to watch because they're the closest to thing to a pickup game you get at the pro level

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:27 (eight years ago) link

is the game wembley a national thing or was it local to us? players shoot into the same goal, if you score you go thru to the next round, last person each round is eliminated until a final 1 on 1 round? anyway, that is what they should do instead of pens. each team picks 3 players, every knock out game has a third goalkeeper assigned.

Roberto Spiralli, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:27 (eight years ago) link

that sounds more like "gameshow" than "sport"

i think in general it's not a bad idea to consider rules that make the game more, uh, relatable or inspiring to the experience of people who play for fun, i.e. me

but also i try to hold back on judgment because i'm not familiar w/ that level of play and it's hard for me to say how a rule that impacts a pickup game one way will impact a pro level game

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:30 (eight years ago) link

i think serious fans of any sport probably have some ideas about how to make the sport better - rules are changed all the time to make the game more efficient or fun or high-scoring or safe or conducive to this-that etc. i definitely have my own radical ideas for the NBA

Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:34 (eight years ago) link

personally i think soccer and basketball are the best sports to watch because they're the closest to thing to a pickup game you get at the pro level

are these also the sports most likely to use imagery of ragtag street urchins playing w/ minimal setups in their advertising?

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:39 (eight years ago) link

basketball and soccer def are similar in some ways, there's an elegance due to their smooth pace of the game and the athleticism of its players that is not seen with lots of other sports. american football for example is very brutish and a little slow-paced which are my major gripes with it. plus all the fatties

Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:40 (eight years ago) link

plus like, special teams and shit

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:50 (eight years ago) link

otm the punting and kicking what is that

Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:50 (eight years ago) link

Wembley was called World Cup (or possibly World Cuppie) round my way. Poaching was the only tactic I ever had any success with, due to playing with older boys and being rubbish - an offside rule would've killed me off totally.

I would absolutely *love* to see pros playing it, yes.

Ismael Klata, Sunday, 29 July 2012 21:51 (eight years ago) link

we played a game called "butts up" that i would love see federer and nadal play

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:00 (eight years ago) link

n/h

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:00 (eight years ago) link

wtf american football is more flawed than basically any of the other sports mentioned itt

― Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, July 29, 2012 4:20 PM (48 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well american football is flawed because playing it means you will prob live a very miserable life afterwards, but I was just talking about entertainment value, where the only thing that the nfl could do to improve is give bonus points for trick plays

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:12 (eight years ago) link

change it to flag football

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:33 (eight years ago) link

which might happen as the brain damage suicides rack up

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:33 (eight years ago) link

my pollyannaish hope is that American football will decline in popularity due to brain damages and that soccer will ascend

electric point-electric counterpoint (m bison), Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:36 (eight years ago) link

yeah but if americans start seriously playing soccer there will be just as much brain damage

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:36 (eight years ago) link

I'm hoping we slowly transition to ping pong

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:37 (eight years ago) link

a three-hour game (like american football) that boils down to what, 20 minutes of action is not my idea of entertainment value

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:40 (eight years ago) link

yeah but if americans start seriously playing soccer there will be just as much brain damage

is that true?

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:43 (eight years ago) link

no it was a joke, football involves way more head slammin

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:44 (eight years ago) link

tho I did know a female college soccer player who had something like 6 concussions

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:45 (eight years ago) link

explains john terry

(amirite?)

mookieproof, Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:46 (eight years ago) link

Footballs are a lot lighter than they were. Heading the ball repeatedly over the course of many years could potentially cause brain injuries but it's much less likely now than it was in the 60s and 70s.

Temporarily Famous In The Czech Republic (ShariVari), Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:47 (eight years ago) link

i think the proper techniques of using the edge of your forehead is nailed down too

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:48 (eight years ago) link

well the ball itself is not even the #1 cause of head injuries I would imagine?

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:49 (eight years ago) link

true too

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:49 (eight years ago) link

the #1 cause is zidane

the late great, Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:49 (eight years ago) link

the girl I knew received 5 out of her 6 concussions via zidane

iatee, Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:50 (eight years ago) link

small sample size tbf

Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Sunday, 29 July 2012 22:58 (eight years ago) link

splendid thread

i say let's keep these intrepid young bucks around and ship out the american soccer superfans, freshen up the ilf roster

r|t|c, Monday, 30 July 2012 06:33 (eight years ago) link

No offside. Most leagues play without an offside rule. Some leagues enforce a "three-line violation", prohibiting players from playing the ball in the air from behind the front line of their own penalty area across all three lines into the opponent's penalty area. Violations often result in a free kick for the opposing team at the front line of the offending team's penalty area.

the late great, Monday, 30 July 2012 06:44 (eight years ago) link

^ indoor soccer

the late great, Monday, 30 July 2012 06:44 (eight years ago) link

No offisdes would result in ten players defending the box and one lone striker way out - it would lessen the back-and-forth aspect of soccer, would make counters less exciting and less likely to score and make normal build-up attacks more rare and less valuable.

sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Monday, 30 July 2012 14:10 (eight years ago) link

yuh no offsides would mean less attacking imo and the game would get even tighter, especially in game where fast, superior athletes can push an opposition back knowing that their backline can easily handle going up against jason roberts

"deep beyond Wang" (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 13:00 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

more true than ever

lag∞n, Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:00 (six years ago) link

all the offsides

dan m, Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:07 (six years ago) link

It's that time of the decade: football noob time!

Who whom kissed? (imago), Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:14 (six years ago) link

um i may not know as much abt soccer as certain people or watch it ever but i understand it better than pretty much everyone that is my gift and also my burden

lag∞n, Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:19 (six years ago) link

*bows, enlightened*

Who whom kissed? (imago), Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:23 (six years ago) link

i read about many of the sports on the internet and on ilxor.com and why is it that footsoccer is the one sport where ppl seem to be most precious about knowing or understanding the game? it is just hating on americans right? i enjoy that as much as the next right minded fellow but it seems like there have to be a metric tonne of less lame ways to go about it

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:26 (six years ago) link

Dude, I'm the one who asked where I could get American streams coz I prefer their commentators to the English ones

Who whom kissed? (imago), Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:29 (six years ago) link

to fuel the hate that sustains you

Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:31 (six years ago) link

Lj you know the primary commentators for American streams are all Britishers right

dan m, Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:33 (six years ago) link

LJ you know all English-speaking commentators are fucking awful right

arid banter (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:37 (six years ago) link

lj u know the offsides rule is completely contrary to the spirit of the game right

lag∞n, Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:41 (six years ago) link

just wait until the US picks up the 2022 tournament on the rebound, i'm sure Sepp will let you do whatever you want to the laws

arid banter (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:43 (six years ago) link

admit it wld be cool if mls changed the rule just to see right, to test it out

lag∞n, Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:44 (six years ago) link

i wd be okay if you ran this experiment alongside a proper World Cup just so's we didn't miss out

arid banter (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 12 June 2014 17:46 (six years ago) link

they score tons of points in basketball and its the best

lol

caek, Saturday, 14 June 2014 16:34 (six years ago) link

fact

lag∞n, Saturday, 14 June 2014 16:36 (six years ago) link

imo a klaxon should sound at randomly timed points to turn the offside rule on and off.

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 14 June 2014 17:32 (six years ago) link

fuck it, apply that to all rules why not.

Merdeyeux, Saturday, 14 June 2014 17:33 (six years ago) link

immediate video ref much more u&k a change needed IMO, and refs to be interviewed after each game upon request

dn/ac (darraghmac), Saturday, 14 June 2014 17:38 (six years ago) link

yah if any sport needs to be able to review calls is soccer cause of how much individual calls can affect the outcome of the game

lag∞n, Saturday, 14 June 2014 17:57 (six years ago) link

It would be cool if they installed like 100 cameras in the stadium and used computers to determine whether somebody was offsides or not

Like we can superimpose a down line in American football and we've been doing that for like 20 years at least

Use computers to play soccer, that's my platform

, Saturday, 14 June 2014 18:15 (six years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/3pENrUe.gif

, Saturday, 14 June 2014 18:29 (six years ago) link

Obama coming in from the left

dn/ac (darraghmac), Saturday, 14 June 2014 18:36 (six years ago) link


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