We really don't care about theatre do we?

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"Realism" is a problematic term in all the arts, ie I don't know what it means. Welles quoted someone (Picasso?) in F for Fake that art is a lie that reveals the truth. But didn't the Group Theater and those other cats in the '30s fancy themselves 'realists'?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

i can't see the point in either of them, to be frank

the point for me would be the same as that for going to London in the first place

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:53 (eighteen years ago) link

also i guess that early Ibsen & Shaw and so on were fairly realistic (and influential) . i wasn't takling about realism/naturalism as a movement (i'm sure you know more about that than i do) but more that they were real situations presented realistically on stage without melodrama etc. i don't want to get bogged down in the semantics of it mainly because i don't know enough about it.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

i saw a show recently where certain bits of stage business were taken care of in proudly unrealistic ways i.e. a man drives a car into a lake and this is signified by a spotlit hand popping out of the wings that throws a cupful of water directly into his face

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Jaymc, you should see a Plasticene show if you haven't already. Very intelligent and VERY physical. 500 Clown also highly recommended. Redmoon. Curious Theatre Branch. Theatre Oobleck. Walkabout. Steppenwolf Garage.

ng-unit, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

though apparently London tix are impossible?

it's at the national, right? they keep back a certain number of tickets for every performance and sell them for a tenner (i think) on the day. the seats could be anywhere. they start selling them at 10am iirc, the only time i did it i got there for about 8, was the third person in the queue, spent a pleasant couple of hours reading, chatting and peoplewatching and got a front row seat (not as great as it sounds as the stage is at head-height) for the philip pullman/archbish rowan 'platform' debate (that wasn't a tenner actually, it was £3 or something. anyway it was brilliant). so er, yeah, if you get up early you can get a ticket.

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

(xpost) Cool, thanks for the recommendations. Eazy (who posts mostly on the Chicago thread) has worked with the Curious Theatre, I know. Although I also know they were in dire straits recently -- something to do with having to vacate their space, maybe? I'd also like to see something directed by Sean Graney of the Hypocrites, since I hear his name tossed around a lot.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:41 (eighteen years ago) link

oh yeah. the reason i don't go to more theatre in london is because i am poor like a church mouse and i can get into gigs for free or cheap.

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost: Yeah, Sean Graney is a very clever director (and writer) -- I imagine that he spends a lot of time with the texts. I'm not sure if his Edward Gorey show got dusted off for this holiday season, but it's a winner.

ng-unit, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Where are you now, ng-unit? When did you live in Chicago?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Was that "The Gorey Details"? I remember it as highly fanciful, w/ hilarious song lyrics and good physical comedy.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I live in D.C. now, but I was in Chicago from 1993-June 2005.

I think the title of the Gorey show was "Dispirited Diversion for Christmas," but I get a little confused since the Hypocrites also adapted "The Curious Sofa" as a toy theatre piece. That also ruled.

ng-unit, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh! Nevermind, I should have realized it was a seasonal thing.

Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

After your review, I would like to see any show called "The Gorey Details." Fanciful is a big plus!

ng-unit, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link

i saw Goat island's "Last Night Was Only A Comedy" fairly recently, aren't they chicago based? anyway i didn't think much of it at all at the time but it's really stuck with me. i'd like to see more of their work.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link

Hmmm, I've never heard of them, but it appears they are indeed from Chicago. One of the company members used to be in the Neo-Futurists.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, Goat Island is Chicago-based.

the point is that theatre fought back by going beyond realism, it's that kind of theatre (devised theatre especially) that i find so vital.

I am more interested in the other reaction, personally -- of saying, "wait, film might be able to throw in more realistic details but in theatre you, personally, are really there, as are the actors and everything else." Which is to say that it seems largely hard to justify a proscenium stage, since that comes off as a poor recreation of film. But, without going into boring and painful forms of "interactive" theatre, you can still engage an audience in a more literal way.

Which is to say, most of what I think could be interesting in theatre these days come closer to "installations" or even "performance art" if that weren't so loaded with unpleasant associations.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost They are pretty great (and I don't just think that since one of their troupe was my teacher and advisor in grad school). I've seen several performances of theirs and always find them intriguing and funny and melancholically or confusingly delightful, though I feel I know (and understand) very little about performance art/theater.

sgs (sgs), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 22:18 (eighteen years ago) link

(does one say troupe? or group?)

sgs (sgs), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 22:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I think I'll go to this on Thursday, if I can get tickets:
http://www.calendarlive.com/stage/295589,0,1182030.event

I think I've heard of Justin Tanner, but I'm not really in the mood to watch a play about wifeswapping.

youn, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 22:29 (eighteen years ago) link

it's strange - initially i thought that "Last night was only a comedy" was boring and rather pretentious (generally i don't have a problem with that aspect of it!) although, as it was a work in progress at the time, i gave it the benifit of the doubt. it was only after i saw it that it kept nagging away at me and a few weeks later i decided i had liked it after all - i'm not sure why.

where they really do fall down compared to other devised theatre groups i have seen and loved - Lepage's Ex-Machina, The Wooster Group, Theatre de Complicite - is that they don't move so well and it's not as tight, performance-wise. also they totally wear their research on their sleeve as a sort of badge of honour "hey aren't we clever?" - really really trying hard to make it clear to the audience that they've done alot of reading for this thing. whereas with those other groups the obvious heavy research they have done to get where thay are just falls away because the performances themselves and the mechanics of the staging are generally so stunning. as i said it WAS a work in progress but i have seen works in progress from those other groups too.

also i saw a devised piece from the belgian thatre company Wayne Traub about a month ago that had obviously had alot of money thrown at it, was technically very impressive: split screens displaying alternate narratives simultaneously; hoists for the props to dissappear and reappear mid scene; gorgeous sets and constumes... and it was one of the most empty and vapid and depressing theatrical experiences ever. the critics love them.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 22:37 (eighteen years ago) link

initiallu i'm talking about Goat Island btw.

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 22:38 (eighteen years ago) link

initially*

jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 22:41 (eighteen years ago) link

"Troupe" and "group" can be used at your discretion.

Goat Island is fabu. DOG Theater in Chicago is heavily Goat Island-influenced and totally recommended.

ng-unit, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 23:44 (eighteen years ago) link

one month passes...
i'd like to go to the theatre in the next couple of weeks, and i want to see something hard-going and bleak, for about a tenner (don't care if i get a shitty seat). in london. any suggestions?

emsk ( emsk), Saturday, 18 February 2006 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

West Ham v Everton?

Alba (Alba), Saturday, 18 February 2006 12:41 (eighteen years ago) link

hard-going and bleak, not mindbendingly tedious!

emsk ( emsk), Saturday, 18 February 2006 12:46 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
It was mentioned above: Anyone in London see Alan Bennett's The History Boys? It just opened on Broadway to raves (and likely Tony Awards to come), but I foolishly neglected to see it in previews when tix could likely have been had cheaper.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:32 (eighteen years ago) link

I foolishly missed The Old County in London, which was like 2 blocks from my hotel, but I'm definitely going to try to see this.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Ed's seen History Boys.

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

They've already shot the film version, apparently! Likely not to be seen in the US for at least a year.

Bennett, along with his other stage-TV-film stuff, wrote one of my favorite film comedies of the last few decades, A Private Function w/ Michael Palin and Maggie Smith.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I did see Night of the Iguana with Woody Harrelson, who wasn't special, but made a good effort and it was a treat to see him. Clare Higgins was excellent (and convincingly American). Also Two Thousand Years, which was merely charming (and thus might have had a greater impact when it was in the Cottesloe), but well done. I was told it would fill the how-the-English-are-different slot, but it seemed to be more how-the-Jews-(some-of-them-at-least)-are-the-same.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 28 April 2006 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link

four months pass...
Londoners not only get to see Guys and Dolls on stage through the end of the year, they get to see it with Patrick Swayze as Nathan Detroit (assuming he shows up that night).

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 11 September 2006 02:59 (seventeen years ago) link

if I were in LA right now, I'd want to see Betty Garrett in My One and Only

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 11 September 2006 03:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm getting free tickets to High Fidelity: The Musical.

disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Monday, 11 September 2006 03:04 (seventeen years ago) link

also apparently touring in Glasgow through early October

greatest American musical ever, people. or at least, the most fun.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 11 September 2006 03:14 (seventeen years ago) link

more fun even than SPAM-A-LOT?!@ IMPOSSIBLE.

disappointing goth fest line-up (orion), Monday, 11 September 2006 03:27 (seventeen years ago) link

is anyone familiar with any touring plans for Black Watch?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 11 September 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

only that there's a tour planned. if i hear more i shall post it.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 11 September 2006 16:42 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks! do you know whether it will go to US?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 11 September 2006 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

hadn't heard that; assumed UK only.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 11 September 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm going to the Marin opening of 'Orson's Shadow' this evening.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 17:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Claire Sweeney is listed as playing alongside Swayze in London in Guys and Dolls. She is also in Glasgow next week playing in, erm, Guys and Dolls (her gurning mug was scaring me on the escalator of an underground station the other day). No Swayze for us provincials though. Has she been cloned?

I like going to the theatre but somehow I never actually go unless someone else suggests it. Then often I read reviews of things and wish I'd gone. That's where cinema wins in terms of easily-digestible culture, because if you miss a film in a theatre, you can watch it some other time.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 18:16 (seventeen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Black Watch is finally happening

also, Claire Danes in, uh, Pygmalion - http://www.roundabouttheatre.org/aa.htm

gabbneb, Saturday, 25 August 2007 17:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Theater is basically where painting was 100 years ago at the advent of photography. It is no longer the most useful tool for documenting actual events (film does it better), but it's liberated from that responsibility as well.

Eazy, Saturday, 25 August 2007 21:47 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

my dad reports that a britishes production of Awake and Sing (Bronx, 1930s) replaced seltzer bottles with bottles of sparkling water. does this bode ill for the Guys & Dolls transplant coming next year?

gabbneb, Sunday, 16 September 2007 02:14 (sixteen years ago) link

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get bent, Sunday, 16 September 2007 02:37 (sixteen years ago) link

really good things seen recently: "John Moran and his neighbour Saori" at the aurora nova in edinburgh, Zero Visibility Corporation's "I have a secret to tell you (please) leave with me" at the tramway in glasgow - utterly incredible, probably the most moving dance piece i've ever seen. their web site is playing up and take you to the directories rather than to the site proper but you can watch a clip here, if your interested:

http://www.zerocorps.com/secret.inc.php

not so good things seen recently: The Wooster Group's new thing "La Didone". A mess.

jed_, Sunday, 16 September 2007 02:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Two of my last three theater experiences:

I saw Kevin Spacey and Colm Meaney in Eugene O'Neill's "A Moon For The Misbegotten." It was more enjoyable than the one Eugene O'Neill play I've ever read ("The Hairy Ape") and less pure social-realist than I expected. Kevin Spacey was good but odd - I got the sense that it was a pretty liberal interpretation of the character. First act had a bit too much aw shucks humor but the second act was great.

-- Hurting 2, Monday, 4 June 2007 01:48 (3 months ago) Link

I saw Liev Schreiber in Talk Radio. He was good but I realized I really don't like Eric Bogosian's writing much.

-- Hurting 2, Sunday, 10 June 2007 14:58 (3 months ago) Link

The third and last was the musical Spring Awakening which was horrendous

Hurting 2, Sunday, 16 September 2007 06:04 (sixteen years ago) link

i am going to mee's iphigenia 2.0 on friday. also a bunch of other stuff i don't quite remember throughout the semester (note: hidden cost of school - they don't tell you there will be all these required plays to attend adding an extra $150 to your semester)

tehresa, Sunday, 16 September 2007 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link


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