Is it bad for a baby to see you masturbating?

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POLL: where is tuomas off to?

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:15 (8 years ago) Permalink

(In that sentence, "inherently immoral" = something considred automatically immoral without taking into consideration the possible consequences [or he lack thereof].)

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:16 (8 years ago) Permalink

POLL: where is tuomas off to?

And to what?

(Tuomas: the infant doesn't have language, so it can't think "dad's playing with his boner." But he/she does know something's going on, and saves the information its its little brane. This theory can be taken to ridiculous ends of speculation - $c13n+0l0gy for example - but the core's true: infants are aware, and the things you see shape your opinion. It is not healthy to see your father masturbating at any age, unless you paid cash money for it and are allowed to film it, in which case it's cool.

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:22 (8 years ago) Permalink

("opinion" isn't the word I'm looking for there obviously, dunno what happened)

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:23 (8 years ago) Permalink

This is retarded.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:27 (8 years ago) Permalink

next up: "incest: is it ever justified?"

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:28 (8 years ago) Permalink

"sweatshops: are they necessary?"

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:28 (8 years ago) Permalink

"do we really need to brush our teeth?"

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

We've already done that one, Enrique.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:32 (8 years ago) Permalink

fucking hell tuomas, why do i always get sucked into these arguments? you bastard.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:35 (8 years ago) Permalink

"no-brainers -- should we waste hours of our lives on them?"

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

"is it just cultural conditioning that keeps us from shooting ppl who look at us the wrong way?"

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:36 (8 years ago) Permalink

.... with semen?

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:37 (8 years ago) Permalink

"do we really need to brush our teeth?"

Have an apple, it's Nature's Toothbrush.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 5 December 2005 15:40 (8 years ago) Permalink

Holy crow....that you're even having a question about this is crazy.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

We're not Finish, we don't understand. I bet in Finland they bonk as a way to learn kids where they came from.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

In Belgium they cut out the middleman in that equation and just bonk kids?

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

next up: "incest: is it ever justified?"

-- J.D. (aubade8...) (webmail), December 5th, 2005. (Justyn Dillingham) (later)

"sweatshops: are they necessary?"

-- J.D. (aubade8...) (webmail), December 5th, 2005. (Justyn Dillingham) (later)

If people really can't see the any difference between what I'm saying and justifying incest, then I guess there's no point at all in having this conservation.


Tuomas: the infant doesn't have language, so it can't think "dad's playing with his boner." But he/she does know something's going on, and saves the information its its little brane. This theory can be taken to ridiculous ends of speculation - $c13n+0l0gy for example - but the core's true: infants are aware, and the things you see shape your opinion. It is not healthy to see your father masturbating at any age, unless you paid cash money for it and are allowed to film it, in which case it's cool.

I don't think there's any clear consensus on development psychology on what the child is aware of (a small infant probably is aware of movement, but how on earth can it attach a concept like "masturbation" - or any concept at all - to it, which would be necessary for it to "remember" dad wanking later on), and especially on whether and how things in our infancy affect us, so you're only presenting one theory here.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:13 (8 years ago) Permalink

In Belgium they cut out the middleman in that equation and just bonk kids?

That was just in the 90s with Dutroux. He's locked up now.

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:16 (8 years ago) Permalink

i am totally not down with this.

S!gmund Freud (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

If people really can't see the any difference between what I'm saying and justifying incest, then I guess there's no point at all in having this conservation.

so in brief, it's all cultural conditioning, except for when it isn't.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:17 (8 years ago) Permalink

???

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:18 (8 years ago) Permalink

Tuomas, it looks to me like there hasn't been any point in quite some time, and that's speaking as someone who more or less AGREES WITH YOU. But then I can't take a single Ken C post seriously; from where I'm sitting it looks like several people on here have been taking the piss since before I got into the office at 9am EST.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:19 (8 years ago) Permalink

Lolz and seriousness are not mutually exclusive. The question is still begged, what earthly reason would there be for you not to take the necessary steps to stop the baby watching you wank?

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:30 (8 years ago) Permalink

At least wait until the baby's napping -- IN ANOTHER ROOM, for cryin' out loud.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:33 (8 years ago) Permalink

"B-b-b-but I have to wank right now or I'll DIE!!"

cf. Exploding Testicle Syndrome

Amity Wong (noodle vague), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:39 (8 years ago) Permalink

Lolz and seriousness are not mutually exclusive. The question is still begged, what earthly reason would there be for you not to take the necessary steps to stop the baby watching you wank?

Because wanker needs the baby there to get hottttt.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

taking the piss and being correct isn't mutually exclusive either!

although i reckon one can be cultually conditioned to think otherwise.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:42 (8 years ago) Permalink

you don't need to be able to attach a concept to something to be affected by it, Tuomas - if you did, there would never be any learning ever. while there are various theories of infant learning (I don't think we're in disagreement as to whether infants learn), all of them involve stimulus and response. The stimulus in question here (seeing an adult masturbate) isn't really something whose effect we'd want to see tested, not even once if we could help it, is it?

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:48 (8 years ago) Permalink

"it would have no idea of what masturbation is, so all it would see is someone moving his/her hand."

with their genitals growing bigger and then stuff squirting out of it.

You know some very special women, Ken.

Dan (SHE'S GONNA BLOW!!!) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:52 (8 years ago) Permalink

well one of them gave birth to you so i should think so.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:54 (8 years ago) Permalink

it's great to see important issues can still be discussed on ILE

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:55 (8 years ago) Permalink

and new points still being raised.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

ILE tackles the big questions that have confounded mankind for ages!

"Why are we here?"
"Where did we come from?"
"Is it okay to masturbate in front of the baby before we go?"
"Are those nachos?"

Dan (And So On) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 December 2005 16:57 (8 years ago) Permalink

someone who doesn't have any sort of morality yet?
are *any* acts 'inherently' immoral? i would think not. i don't understand your line of reasoning here.

Hey, if you want to be a cultural/moral relativist, there's no good reason not to go all the way.


for sure society could stand to loosen up about sexuality a little, but exposing infants to adult sexuality is surely not the place to start.

you can't have your cake and eat it too.

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:00 (8 years ago) Permalink

Oh for fuck's sake, dude.

Dan (Stop Being Stupid) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:01 (8 years ago) Permalink

THIS THREAD WINS EVERYTHING.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:03 (8 years ago) Permalink

Is it wrong to eat a live baby if the baby doens't understand the concept of cannibalism?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

THIS THREAD WINS EVERYTHING

It doesn't beat the best thread ever (and coincidentally the FIRST on ILX).

Waffle Cone Sundae, Monday, 5 December 2005 17:04 (8 years ago) Permalink

Oh please.

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

you can't have your baby and eat it too.

xxpost

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:05 (8 years ago) Permalink

Is it bad for a blind baby to hear you masturbating? Should a deaf baby ever be blindfolded, if you are masturbating, or otherwise????

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:06 (8 years ago) Permalink

# visual phenomena that can't be filmed or videotaped (22 new answers)
# Is it bad for a baby to see you masturbating? (138 new answers)

Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

How do you get a dead baby to float?

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:08 (8 years ago) Permalink

blindfolds was covered upthread i think, but yes the deafness thing is taking it to a new level of moral dilemma.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:09 (8 years ago) Permalink

Is it bad to make a dead eaten baby blind by wanking it?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

the blind, deaf baby has enough problems dealing with a visit form Roy Keane to worry about people having sex in the same room, not that Keano would tolerate that sort of behaviour.

Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:10 (8 years ago) Permalink

but what is a "room." What if this took place outside?

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:12 (8 years ago) Permalink

What about puppies?

Super Cub (Debito), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:26 (8 years ago) Permalink

Oh, and hold on, upthread. The incest thing is completely different. It is quite possible to have consentual, non-abusive incest.

Pete (Pete), Monday, 5 December 2005 17:43 (8 years ago) Permalink


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