Except that there's this place called the USA where many people believe that's the elementary definition of every hero!
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 4 August 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 4 August 2005 16:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 4 August 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 4 August 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 4 August 2005 16:56 (eighteen years ago) link
I can't even tell if that's hyperbole or idiocy.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:18 (eighteen years ago) link
(xpost: Is the protagonist of "Memento" a hero or an antihero? Also, did you miss the bit where we were specifically talking about THE PUNISHER and the rather ludicrous idea that he's supposed to be a heroic character?)
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link
vigilante: One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands.
Superman killed, too!
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link
I didn't see it. From the trailer I assumed that the killer he's looking for is actually himself or some lame twist like that but I don't know anything else about it.
Also, did you miss the bit where we were specifically talking about THE PUNISHER and the rather ludicrous idea that he's supposed to be a heroic character?)
Yes. I thought your comment was still in reference to Batman. Still, I think it's difficult to draw a line when American culture has idolized so many murderous characters.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link
x-post
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link
Superman, Spiderman,
Yes.
Batman, the cowboy, the war hero,
Wrong!
Luke Skywalker, Indiana Jones
Grey area.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link
(Superman and Spiderman are both vigilantes. See JJ Jameson's attacks on Spiderman)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link
Exactly. My point is that I don't think simply because a character is a killer or a vigilante that you can categorize him as an antihero. It all depends on how the character is portrayed and that can vary wildly for the same character from story to story.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link
Heh heh heh heh heh.
Still, I think it's difficult to draw a line when American culture has idolized so many murderous characters.
Is Charles Manson a hero? Ted Bundy? Jeffrey Dahmer? Patrick Bateman? Hannibal Lecter?
Are you sure you aren't confusing infamy with idolatry?
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link
I hate when that happens. Beards should be made of hair.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:38 (eighteen years ago) link
Jesus?
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:40 (eighteen years ago) link
A: I mistakenly thought Dan was doing that because I didn't realize he was specifically referencing the Punisher.
B: Somewhere on this thread, I seem to recall somebody making the claim that Batman is never truly a hero because his vigilantism is a core part of his character.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link
Oh, GWB.
is it Dennis Kucinich?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link
so walter were you ever going to back up your remarks (ie. SHOW ME)
Which one specifically?
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 4 August 2005 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link