Also even though I can't blame the Beatles for it, "Mr. Kite" resulted in this awfulness:
It was the best part of Across the Universe, however:
― abanana, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
"I'm Going In A Field" - love that song - a good one to play the day poor mr cutler passed away.
― dog latin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
voted "Good Morning"... so annoying. a song for alarm clocks doesn't belong in the middle of an album.
― abanana, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
xxp: what the fuck is wrong with people?
― those .rawr blogs (kingkongvsgodzilla), Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
i am very surprised that the title track didn't get a vote yet. it is one of the reasons why i never listen to this album. for me the dacapo really ruins the whole album. looking at the song list i just realised that the rest of it is quite good.
― alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
Hey! What am I, chopped liver?
― I Like Daydreams, I've Had Enough Reality (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
sorry, i didn't read all your posts carefully. will you ever forgive me? that song is annoying as hell. in the beatles oeuvre it is only beaten by "the long and winding road", i think.
― alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
alex in manhattan's hit on something here - if anything the reason i don't get on so much with this album is its brashness - as someone mentioned upthread, the songs are good on their own, as a whole it's this loud brassy "GET OUT OF BED BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LISTEN TO ME WAAAAAAAAA" affair, which I guess is what differentiates it from Revolver, which is much more mellow. It's the same reason I always skip the first track on Blur's "Great Escape", it's like this rude awakening I can do without, which I'm sure a lot of people enjoy.
― dog latin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's the McCartney Smarm Offensive coupled with Lazy Lennon and Who Cares Harrison that bugs me
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
Revolver, which is much more mellow
Wait, what? Revolver was their most electric-guitary album up to that time, and in fact is MORE so than Pepper. In what way are Tomorrow Never Knows, She Said She Said, I Want To Tell You, And Your Bird Can Sing or Taxman "mellow"?
― Pancakes Batman (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yeah, how the hell is Revolver mellow? There is some serious noise on that thing.
― Bill Magill, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'd love to hear what your average Beatle teenybopper fan thought in 1966 when the needle finally got to Tomorrow Never Knows. I'm sure it was a priceless reaction. That song is mind-blowing.
― Bill Magill, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
i was thinking of things like i'm only sleeping, eleanor rigby etc. but you've got a point.
― dog latin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
"Ooh, nice seagulls"
― Mark G, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:51 (3 years ago) Permalink
It came on when I was driving my mom somewhere a few years ago. She was an 18yr old suburban American girl in Catholic school in 1966. She was and still is very prudish. She kept saying how it was unlike anything she had ever heard or could have imagined. How it seemed like it came from a different planet. I should've asked her whether she liked it or not, but judging from the fact that she basically stopped following the Beatles after Revolver, I'm guessing it was just too weird and psychedlic for her and scared her off!
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 24 September 2009 15:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
i basically love every song on this album and spent my teenage years being irritated by the challopsy types kate refers to. the late '90s was a bad time to say you preferred sgt pepper to pet sounds.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 15:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
This was my first favorite album as a child and I will vote for the song that said the least to me then, though I did grow fond of it later: 'Within You Without You'.
― l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Thursday, 24 September 2009 15:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
the late '90s was a bad time to say you preferred sgt pepper to pet sounds.
i definitely prefer it to pet sounds, i'm just not supersold on either of them. (not least because i directly blame them for latter-day flaming lips and animal collective and all that twee sparkly indie-psyche stuff.)
― flying squid attack (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 24 September 2009 15:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
I can't believe some people here are actually asshole enough to register a vote to have somebody banned from the site just for disagreeing about which song is least favorite on a record. But looking at recent Suggest Bans, it turns out yes, some people are actually asshole enough.
― Hugh Manatee (WmC), Thursday, 24 September 2009 15:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
― Euler, Thursday, 24 September 2009 15:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
No. I just wanted to register my disgust and hit the "Suggest This Is Maybe Why Mods Sometimes Don't Like To Deal With This Bullshit" button.
― Hugh Manatee (WmC), Thursday, 24 September 2009 15:27 (3 years ago) Permalink
"I'd love to hear what your average Beatle teenybopper fan thought in 1966 when the needle finally got to Tomorrow Never Knows. I'm sure it was a priceless reaction. That song is mind-blowing."
"Oh dear, they've gone a bit weird! It must be drugs! I'll put Herman's Hermits on next."
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 24 September 2009 15:28 (3 years ago) Permalink
Awww. People up thread said they were going to be sb'ing over this. High stakes!
― Euler, Thursday, 24 September 2009 15:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
Anyway, I'm voting "She's Leaving Home."
― Hugh Manatee (WmC), Thursday, 24 September 2009 15:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yes, this is ludicrous and a bit pathetic. It reminds me of that Peep Show episode where everyone keeps threatening to section everyone else.
Anyway, I voted for Sixy-Four. SB away if you like.
― chap, Thursday, 24 September 2009 16:00 (3 years ago) Permalink
Oh, Dog Latin, didn't know that Easy Stars album existed! Thanks for the heads up, DLing it now.
― chap, Thursday, 24 September 2009 16:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
Song for song, I do think Revolver is richer and punchier, but I do see why the comparison happens - if you strip away a few dozen overdubs and the cover art, there are a lot of sonic similarities - I mean let's say "Taxman" and "Good Morning Good Morning" changed places. "Taxman" would seem a little too worldly and pedestrian to be on Sgt. Pepper's but I don't think anyone would have noticed GMGM as out of place on Revolver - same charging guitar attack, same crisp sound. Or swap "Getting Better" for "Got To Get You Into My Life." Or "With A Little Help..." for "Yellow Submarine." If you really started juggling things around you could probably get "Rain" and "Strawberry Fields" together on this record and "Paperback Writer" with "Penny Lane" on Revolver
This was just a very, very fertile period for them and they didn't switch sounds as dramatically as the art, costumes, hair etc. would suggest. Paul in particular is the bridge, as certainly John was going a litle more wild with the possibilities available. The really massively "studio" tracks here (A Day In The Life, Mr. Kite) are mainly John's and I don't think they could slot onto Revolver whatsoever.
Oh! Right! Worst song. Um...I'll get back to you in the morning. I really like this record and have a lot of comfort food affection for it - if there's anything to the "concept album" hype it's that I don't relate to it as a "collection of songs" where cherry-picking feels natural, as I do most of the previous ones and the White Album..
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 24 September 2009 16:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
Echoing what someone said above, Within You Without You is the track that separates the 8 year olds from the grown ups. I hated it *so* much as a child...its presence on the album offended me. These days, got no problem with it, especially in mono.
And now it seems like such a great way to start the "weirder" 2nd side. Along the lines of that, Benefit of Mr. Kite probably makes more sense when you think of it as a side-ender. It was always interesting as a child going from the circus music of Kite and then flipping the album over and hitting the brick wall of Harrison's sitars (which made a briefer and friendlier appearance in Getting Better, so we were warned). After all that Indian seriousness, When I'm 64 seems a little less fluffy. When I was a kid, it was a totally essential palate-cleanser.
Lovely Rita: the wierdo ending doesn't get enough love. Is there another Beatles song that combines a pop hook w/a noise breakdown in the same way? The opening of Lovely Rita gives me chills like no other Beatles track.
Anyway, I have to go with She's Leaving Home, though it is better (less draggy) on the mono album.
― dlp9001, Thursday, 24 September 2009 16:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
pop hook w/a noise breakdown
There's a great bootleg of "Paperback writer" that doesn't fade out and ends in a 'falling over' way, they really should have kept it.
― Mark G, Thursday, 24 September 2009 16:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
Fixing a Hole. Apart from the title track and coda, McCartney's stuff on here really treads a thin line between charming and irritating.
― Hat Trick Swayze (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 24 September 2009 16:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
I really like Fixing a Hole. It's Macca's equivalent to I'm Only Sleeping, similarly cocooned and narcotic.
― chap, Thursday, 24 September 2009 16:37 (3 years ago) Permalink
I like Fixing A Hole too, and I'm sure that's largely due to reading somewhere that Lennon finally gave McCartney his due as a songwriter, describing it as "real head music" or something like that.
― dog latin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 16:39 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think that "Within You Without You" is probably the song I'd be least likely to play apart from the rest of the album, but I agree that in the context of the record, it works really well. Compared with the colorful psychedelia of the first side, it sounds kind of harsh and challenging. And it's so long! It feels longer than it is ...
― tylerw, Thursday, 24 September 2009 16:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
It feels longer than it is ...
You said it, brother
― Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 17:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
it's funny how, for the Beatles in 1967, a song that went past the 5 minute mark must've seemed sooooooo epic. Within You and Day in the Life are probably the first ones?
― tylerw, Thursday, 24 September 2009 17:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
I really like how "Within You Without You" and "When I'm Sixty Four" fit with each other conceptually (the impermanence of existence "life flows on within you and without you", "losing my hair, many years from now"), but are worlds apart stylistically.
― Darin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 17:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
Cliche but voted reprise. I really like all the songs on this album, there is just something about it that stops me liking the album itself, like the pacing is all wrong or something.
The thing I never got about this album, or as much what people think and say about it- it's really quite conservative in subject matter and sound in places (or at least compared to MMT-EP) and not the '67 hippie free love technicolour thing it has always been discribed as.
― Samuel (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 24 September 2009 17:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
Can't vote for reprise, the beat is too good.
― chap, Thursday, 24 September 2009 17:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
the conservatism is an interesting point. certainly compared to what else came out in '67, sgt. pepper's is nowhere near as striking as, say, revolver is compared to the rest of what came out in '66. as i was saying on the revolver thread, it's really mindboggling what happened in the space of 12 months there. revolver really appeared at the crest of a wave, but by the time sgt. pepper's came out the wave was crashing everywhere.
― flying squid attack (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 24 September 2009 17:17 (3 years ago) Permalink
I loooved Within You, Without You when I was 8.
― Wee Tam and the lolhueg (Jon Lewis), Thursday, 24 September 2009 17:18 (3 years ago) Permalink
otoh, there's no doubting the cultural impact sgt. pepper's had. i'm sure there are a zillion stories like this, but my dad says he was taking a roadtrip the week it came out, driving for 3 or 4 days, and everywhere they went there was always some station playing it, the full album, over and over.
― flying squid attack (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 24 September 2009 17:19 (3 years ago) Permalink
Sixty-Four gets on my tits even though I feel bad hating on Paul at his most sentimental.
― Dorian (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, 24 September 2009 17:24 (3 years ago) Permalink
penny lane & strawberry fields replacing two of the weaker trackes here might keep this from being my least favorite.
i basically skip tracks 6-9 - even tho i don't particualry hate WYWY, so any of those I could vote for.
a vote for Rita is madness.
― feed them to the (Linden Ave) lions (will), Thursday, 24 September 2009 17:47 (3 years ago) Permalink
might have kept
first LP I ever properly listened to and loved - at age 9 (1972). and the place where I heard it (downtown Plymouth, Montserrat) is now buried under 15-20 feet of volcanic mud!
the title track and reprise are probably the least essential for me now (which may be why the LP has also fallen off a little over time) - hard to pick which to vote foragainst because the sonic groove of the reprise counterbalances the richness of the opener. "Good Morning Good Morning" was always the odd one out, but it's strange enough to be interesting (though not according to Lennon himself). "Lucy In The Sky..." always one of the more famous cuts has taken some flak over the years especially because of the (lack of creative craft in the) change to the chorus, but I still like it and feel it includes a (the?) stellar example of the lost art of pretty arpeggio'd chord change intros ("Stairway To Heaven" is another - is there a thread on that theme?). "Lovely Rita" might be my side 2 fave even over "A Day In The Life".
as for comparisons with Revolver, I like at least 3 songs here as much as or better than anything on Revolver and personally consider them the pinnacle of Beatles LP tracks (besides one-off peaks like "In My Life" or "Julia"). ...and they're all in a row: "Getting Better", "Fixing a Hole" and "She's Leaving Home" (2 of which it took me time to rate, I've always loved "Fixing A Hole" possibly my fave McCartney song ever) so, best 3 song run on a Beatles album? (not sure, I haven't checked for competition - maybe last 3 on Revolver comes closest?)
― Paul, Thursday, 24 September 2009 18:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
Gah. Had to vote 'Lovely Rita', but my reasoning is totally ass. It's not the music...the opening 'oohs' are awesome, the coda is great, musically it's terrific...but lyrically it's just a little too Benny Hill for me. And this is me at my most desperate to find something I dislike about any of these songs.
'64' has way too much nostalgia for me to hate...saccharine yes, but I kind of love the sentiment anyway...'Good Morning' is rad, I don't see how it could qualify for badness...'Kite' was fascinating to me as a little 'un, I wanted to GO to that place!! And I love it more now, especially seeing the poster Lennon got the lyrics from. I love that it was a real thing.
Sorry Rita. And nothing personal against Paul. :(
That was HARD!!! I'm not sure Beatles polls should be this traumatic.
― VegemiteGrrrl, Thursday, 24 September 2009 18:05 (3 years ago) Permalink
Wasn't this the album that Towshend had a fit over, saying it wasn't 'rock' if you had to mix all the stuff in a studio?
― l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Thursday, 24 September 2009 18:07 (3 years ago) Permalink
when i'm 64.
These polls are just a steady reminder of how much I HATE Paul McCartney's songwriting/voice/etc
― Zeno, Thursday, 24 September 2009 18:08 (3 years ago) Permalink
OTM! There were two tracks on this album that I would play over and over and over to the point of driving the rest of my family insane; "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" and "Within You, Without You".
― sturdy, ultra-light, under-the-pants moneybelt (HI DERE), Thursday, 24 September 2009 18:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
The song is sung by a young man to his lover, and is about his plans of growing old together with her. Although the theme is aging, it was one of the first songs McCartney wrote, when he was sixteen. The Beatles used it in the early days as a song they could play when the amplifiers broke down or the electricity went off. Both George Martin and Mark Lewisohn speculated that McCartney may have thought of the song when recording began for Sgt. Pepper in December 1966 because his father turned 64 earlier that year.
Lennon said of the song, "Paul wrote it in the Cavern days. We just stuck a few more words on it like 'grandchildren on your knee' and 'Vera, Chuck and Dave' ... this was just one that was quite a hit with us." In his 1980 interview for Playboy he said, "I would never even dream of writing a song like that."
― Change Display Name: (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 24 September 2009 18:26 (3 years ago) Permalink