Worst Beatles song on Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

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As I'm used to Pepper on CD I've always heard the outgroove as a coda to A Day In The Life.

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:48 (fourteen years ago) link

voted for mr. kite, so annoying.

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:50 (fourteen years ago) link

Nick, you've gotta remember the last time I really really listened closely to these albums (as opposed to delving into them on occasion) was 10 years ago as a sixth former. Working through those albums in my late teens, I was very disappointed by Peppers when I got to it, especially after Revolver which blew me away. Given this, I have a sneaking suspicion that my ear will be more willing to accept things like WYWY a little more now than it did at 17. I have only so far purchased the Abbey Road remaster so far, so I'm gonna wait till I can afford the new version of Peppers till I do this.

I'd be interested in what way you think the texture and mood of Peppers is so different from Revolver. I maintain Sgt Pepper's is a weaker version of Revolver, and I don't understand why it was this record that got lauded for so many years as this huge progressive step, when I'd consider the difference between Rubber Soul and Revolver much greater than that of Sgt Peppers, which for the most part sounds like a retread of a lot of previous ground. Some great tracks on here, but I find things like "Lovely Rita" and "Good Day Sunshine" to be really awkward-sounding - and I'm a McCartney fan(!)

Kevin OTM about "When I'm Sixty Four" - is it true Macca wrote this one several years prior to it being recorded?

dog latin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:55 (fourteen years ago) link

he wrote it in 1935

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:55 (fourteen years ago) link

I wonder if anyone will vote for the title track. It seems too vestigial for anyone to truly hate (or love?).

I love the hellllllll out of the title track and its reprise.

those .rawr blogs (kingkongvsgodzilla), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Like, that last little lick at the end of reprise almost brings me tears of joy.

those .rawr blogs (kingkongvsgodzilla), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:01 (fourteen years ago) link

this album as a whole irritates me -- too much preciousness, mostly -- but taken individually, i like most of the tracks. it's just the cumulative effect that makes it something i rarely listen to. the title track/reprise is the best bit, imo. contenders for worst (which in this case means most annoying) are "she's leaving home" (because i think the lyrics are sort of lame -- "fun is the one thing that money can't buy," ugh), "within you without you" (george at his most cottonheaded), maybe "good morning good morning," tho it's too slight to really be irksome.

flying squid attack (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:02 (fourteen years ago) link

taken individually, i like most of the tracks. it's just the cumulative effect that makes it something i rarely listen to.

Exactly.

Little starbursts of joy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:05 (fourteen years ago) link

It's strange, because even some of the tracks I'm not very fond of ("Within You Without You," "Good Morning," "Mr. Kite" especially) have amazing parts in them (the time signature is "Good Morning," the caliope - ?? -- circus bit in "Kite," etc.) making any of them impossible to write off. And yet, it's still nothing like my most-played Beatles LP. (I'm convinced it's one of the greatest LPs ever, though, for fans of amazing bass lines.) Anyway... "Within You Without You" is one I do tend to skip over, so I'll go with that.

sw00ds, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Also "too slight to really be irksome" is exactly what irritates me about the album. There's a whole strain of 'art-pop' birthed by this album which demands a similar attention level.

Little starbursts of joy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Thing is, there's so much in the way of accolade heaped upong "OMG OMG SGT. PEPPER OMG BEST RECORD EVAH MADE" etc. contrasted with "NOT AS GOOD AS REVOLVER CHALLOPS" that I was actually quite surprised when I finally, as an adult, heard the album as a whole and realised how many good tracks were on it (and not just the obvious well known ones.) It's a record that is rather overwhelmed by its reputation.

I Like Daydreams, I've Had Enough Reality (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Also, it's true that there's something good in even the bad songs (the "can't get no worse" on Getting Better, the harmonies on the "Isle of Wight" middle 8 of When I'm 64) that I can't bring myself to vote for them.

I might wimp out and vote for the title track which I have always found annoying.

I Like Daydreams, I've Had Enough Reality (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:08 (fourteen years ago) link

There are no songs worth voting for here. "(Reprise)" by default I suppose.

A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:09 (fourteen years ago) link

The title track and "Day in the Life" are the best things on it

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:09 (fourteen years ago) link

... it's the bits in between I'm less impressed by

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:11 (fourteen years ago) link

There are no songs worth voting for here. "(Reprise)" by default I suppose.

I've always thought "(Reprise)" was one of the best tracks!

Went with "Getting Better". Nothing wrong with it per se, just nothing about it makes me want to listen to it unless I'm playing the album all the way through.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:14 (fourteen years ago) link

I do not understand the hate for "Good Morning, Good Morning." A crazy time signature, awesome saxophones, another great McCartney guitar solo . . . seriously, wtf?

The title track reprise on the new mono remaster is amazing, btw. Gives it a LOT more balls.

Pancakes Batman (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Fixing a Hole 4EVA!!!

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, that's a very Scottish pronunciation of "on your knee"; I'd venture at Aberdeen area of Scotland too if I thought I knew wtf I was talking about. I've always been intrigued by it; I assume McCartney has some Scots heritage and is aiming to express that?

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You know, I played this yesterday, and the scots accent was something that struck me for the first time!

I wouldn't be surprised if that was an Ivor Cutlerism.

Mark G, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:17 (fourteen years ago) link

The Mono reinstates the guitar chicken noise!

The bit at the end of "Good Morning", cluck 1 is the chicken, cluck 2 is George's guitar where they slowed the tape of "reprise" and quickly sped it back to normal again for the rest of the song.

They didn't bother to do this with the Stereo LP version.

Mark G, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:19 (fourteen years ago) link

I wouldn't be surprised if that was an Ivor Cutlerism.

Ah! Could be!

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:24 (fourteen years ago) link

"She's Leaving Home" without a second thought

Plunge Protection Team, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:37 (fourteen years ago) link

shame on her!

Mark G, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:41 (fourteen years ago) link

i was going to say ivor cutler - were the beatles fans? i've always noticed the scots accent, but then my granny is from aberdeen/dundee/glasgow/ulster (moved around a bit in her life) so maybe that's why.

dog latin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:56 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, Paul was, and he asked Ivor to be in the Magical Mystery Tour.

He was also on Parlophone, which helps.

Mark G, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:58 (fourteen years ago) link

were the beatles fans?

You've not seen "Magical Mystery Tour" then?

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:59 (fourteen years ago) link

"Here, have you been impersonating me again, Mr. McCartney?"

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_24o5BqgMIK0/SNlrqGNIixI/AAAAAAAABUA/JjDMCEAk3EU/s400/MACCA.jpg

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:01 (fourteen years ago) link

about the stereo/mono versions - can these be bought separately or do you have to get the box set?

dog latin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Apparently they bonded over an unusual chord in Ivor's "I'm Going in a Field", which Macca was especially impressed with (xp)

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:07 (fourteen years ago) link

i think you have to buy the mono as a box set, the stereo versions can be bought individually

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Voted Within You, Without You because it is the only song that really doesn't fit in thematically or musically.

No, I don't think that Sgt. Pepper tells a story a la The Who's Tommy or something similar, but the songs definitely tie together in terms of theme and message.

I really don't get the comments about this album being a re-tread of Revolver, but then I buy all the hype...

Moodles, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:12 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost ah no, i need to see MMT. Love the album of course.

dog latin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Also even though I can't blame the Beatles for it, "Mr. Kite" resulted in this awfulness:

It was the best part of Across the Universe, however:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59ahx9ckqIw

abanana, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:15 (fourteen years ago) link

"I'm Going In A Field" - love that song - a good one to play the day poor mr cutler passed away.

dog latin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:17 (fourteen years ago) link

voted "Good Morning"... so annoying. a song for alarm clocks doesn't belong in the middle of an album.

abanana, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:17 (fourteen years ago) link

xxp: what the fuck is wrong with people?

those .rawr blogs (kingkongvsgodzilla), Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:18 (fourteen years ago) link

i am very surprised that the title track didn't get a vote yet. it is one of the reasons why i never listen to this album. for me the dacapo really ruins the whole album. looking at the song list i just realised that the rest of it is quite good.

alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Hey! What am I, chopped liver?

I Like Daydreams, I've Had Enough Reality (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:24 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry, i didn't read all your posts carefully. will you ever forgive me? that song is annoying as hell. in the beatles oeuvre it is only beaten by "the long and winding road", i think.

alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:37 (fourteen years ago) link

alex in manhattan's hit on something here - if anything the reason i don't get on so much with this album is its brashness - as someone mentioned upthread, the songs are good on their own, as a whole it's this loud brassy "GET OUT OF BED BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LISTEN TO ME WAAAAAAAAA" affair, which I guess is what differentiates it from Revolver, which is much more mellow. It's the same reason I always skip the first track on Blur's "Great Escape", it's like this rude awakening I can do without, which I'm sure a lot of people enjoy.

dog latin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:39 (fourteen years ago) link

It's the McCartney Smarm Offensive coupled with Lazy Lennon and Who Cares Harrison that bugs me

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:40 (fourteen years ago) link

Revolver, which is much more mellow

Wait, what? Revolver was their most electric-guitary album up to that time, and in fact is MORE so than Pepper. In what way are Tomorrow Never Knows, She Said She Said, I Want To Tell You, And Your Bird Can Sing or Taxman "mellow"?

Pancakes Batman (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, how the hell is Revolver mellow? There is some serious noise on that thing.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:47 (fourteen years ago) link

I'd love to hear what your average Beatle teenybopper fan thought in 1966 when the needle finally got to Tomorrow Never Knows. I'm sure it was a priceless reaction. That song is mind-blowing.

Bill Magill, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:48 (fourteen years ago) link

i was thinking of things like i'm only sleeping, eleanor rigby etc. but you've got a point.

dog latin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link

"Ooh, nice seagulls"

(xpost)

Mark G, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I'd love to hear what your average Beatle teenybopper fan thought in 1966 when the needle finally got to Tomorrow Never Knows. I'm sure it was a priceless reaction. That song is mind-blowing.

It came on when I was driving my mom somewhere a few years ago. She was an 18yr old suburban American girl in Catholic school in 1966. She was and still is very prudish. She kept saying how it was unlike anything she had ever heard or could have imagined. How it seemed like it came from a different planet. I should've asked her whether she liked it or not, but judging from the fact that she basically stopped following the Beatles after Revolver, I'm guessing it was just too weird and psychedlic for her and scared her off!

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 24 September 2009 15:00 (fourteen years ago) link

i basically love every song on this album and spent my teenage years being irritated by the challopsy types kate refers to. the late '90s was a bad time to say you preferred sgt pepper to pet sounds.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link

This was my first favorite album as a child and I will vote for the song that said the least to me then, though I did grow fond of it later: 'Within You Without You'.

l'homme moderne: il forniquait et lisait des journaux (Michael White), Thursday, 24 September 2009 15:08 (fourteen years ago) link

the late '90s was a bad time to say you preferred sgt pepper to pet sounds.

i definitely prefer it to pet sounds, i'm just not supersold on either of them. (not least because i directly blame them for latter-day flaming lips and animal collective and all that twee sparkly indie-psyche stuff.)

flying squid attack (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 24 September 2009 15:19 (fourteen years ago) link

Harrisongs annoy me so I’ll say he was the Q Beatle

Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 22:25 (one year ago) link

This thread took a fucking bizarre turn.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 22:28 (one year ago) link

context:

Absolutely shrieking over QAnon discovering the Beatles pic.twitter.com/nBn9L9VRz1

— LeiHouse Of Horror IV (@leilaclaire) December 7, 2022

bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 22:55 (one year ago) link

Revolution #9 has got to be the most Q Anon, right? Illusionary patterns and whatnot.

bookmarkflaglink (Darin), Wednesday, 7 December 2022 23:17 (one year ago) link

surely it's the song about how paul was dead

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 7 December 2022 23:23 (one year ago) link

The walrus was Q

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 8 December 2022 02:24 (one year ago) link


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