Worst Beatles song on Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

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I love Sgt. Pepper Knew My Father, esp. Frank Sidebottom's "Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite" and, right, Sonic Youth's "Within You Without You."

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:03 (4 years ago) Permalink

this is my least favourite of the later period albums (bar let it be of course) - a revolver mkII, dressed up as a concept album (which it isn't - hardly any lyrical or musical themes going on here, unlike rubber soul as i soliloquised ont hat thread) - more bells and whistles and less good songs than its predecessor. i much prefer the recent easy star allstars version of the album where they actually manage to make good use of stuff like "within you without you", turning it from a tuneless mess into an awesome dub epic.

That said I can't really fault "Benefit" (FUN!), "Day In The Life" (Awesome!), "She's Leaving Home" (it's interesting lyric wise anyway), "64" (sang it at school, can't hate it), "Fixing A Hole", "Getting Better" - but the rest is either edging very close to the MOR ("A Little Help", although I think some of the wordplay is quite nice), useless psych-lite gumph ("LSD"), or retreads of things they did better on Revolver ("Dr Robert" wasn't very good, so why do another awkwardly plodsome character-song on "Lovely Rita"? And for that matter "Good Day Sunshine" and "Good Morning Good Morning" are both shite).

I think I'm going to vote for "Good Morning Good Morning", it's totally useless!

dog latin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:04 (4 years ago) Permalink

You're an idiot.

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

:-(

dog latin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:10 (4 years ago) Permalink

Also even though I can't blame the Beatles for it, "Mr. Kite" resulted in this awfulness:

Pancakes Batman (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

Lovely Rita is is not a plodding character sketch - it's a joyous celebration of picking up women in uniform and getting high with them!

I voted Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, which I'm sure some people will think is a challop as well. I like the chorus and the verses, but I think that the shift from one to the other is very sudden and awkward. Additional reasons include feeling a little gyped by this song when I finally did drop acid.

those .rawr blogs (kingkongvsgodzilla), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:18 (4 years ago) Permalink

These polls are just a steady reminder of how much I HATE Paul McCartney's songwriting/voice/etc. I had all these albums on tape with the Macca songs removed so I've actually forgotten how some of them go.

I Like Daydreams, I've Had Enough Reality (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:21 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Good Morning Good Morning" = don't know how this one goes, though that's a plus point when up against the likes of "When I'm 64"

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

GOOD MORNING GOOD MORNING GOOD MORNING = isn't that the one that goes I'VE GOT NOTHING TO SAY BUT IT'S OK and so on? Which is actually SCARY AS HELL when you've been actually tripping to the rest of the album.

I Like Daydreams, I've Had Enough Reality (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:26 (4 years ago) Permalink

Oh, the one with no tune? Other than the usual George Harrison one with no tune?

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:27 (4 years ago) Permalink

Though I think Getting Better is the one that really inspires my ire. (Except for that telling burst of sarcasm "can't get no worse")

I Like Daydreams, I've Had Enough Reality (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:28 (4 years ago) Permalink

This'll be easy – so many duds. "Within You, Without You," "When I'm Sixty-Four," "Fixing a Hole." I went with "Sixty-Four" because, for all its supposed charm and polish, it makes me want to eat babies.

Little starbursts of joy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:35 (4 years ago) Permalink

The middle section of WYWY, when the sitar and strings accelerate against each other and the tabla really starts going for it too; fucking awesome.

I don't hear how this album is Revolver MKII AT ALL, Charlie; in terms of both texture and mood, this is vastly different.

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

OK I want to hate this record; I should hate it given its rote (and pernicious) position as the greatest this, that, or the other (not to mention its influence on decades of crappy self-expression). But life is rarely so neat and as it turns out, I adore the shit out of the thing (just like Citizen Kane, groan). What can I do? Every track gives me goosebumps and/or chokes me up even my pick for the worst song, "When I'm Sixty-Four" (never noticed Paul rolling his r's at the end of "your" in "grandchildren on your knee" - so cute!). And while I'll continue to pick on Paul, my absolute fave is "She's Leaving Home" which I now hear as one of the last glimpses of a Paul/John utopia.

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's a very Scottish pronunciation of "on your knee"; I'd venture at Aberdeen area of Scotland too if I thought I knew wtf I was talking about. I've always been intrigued by it; I assume McCartney has some Scots heritage and is aiming to express that?

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:44 (4 years ago) Permalink

I wonder if anyone will vote for the title track. It seems too vestigial for anyone to truly hate (or love?).

And there's no option for the outgroove or do people hear that as part of "A Day in the Life?"

Kevin John Bozelka, Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

Irish heritage surely? Probably Ulster? (xp)

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:47 (4 years ago) Permalink

As I'm used to Pepper on CD I've always heard the outgroove as a coda to A Day In The Life.

Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:48 (4 years ago) Permalink

voted for mr. kite, so annoying.

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:50 (4 years ago) Permalink

Nick, you've gotta remember the last time I really really listened closely to these albums (as opposed to delving into them on occasion) was 10 years ago as a sixth former. Working through those albums in my late teens, I was very disappointed by Peppers when I got to it, especially after Revolver which blew me away. Given this, I have a sneaking suspicion that my ear will be more willing to accept things like WYWY a little more now than it did at 17. I have only so far purchased the Abbey Road remaster so far, so I'm gonna wait till I can afford the new version of Peppers till I do this.

I'd be interested in what way you think the texture and mood of Peppers is so different from Revolver. I maintain Sgt Pepper's is a weaker version of Revolver, and I don't understand why it was this record that got lauded for so many years as this huge progressive step, when I'd consider the difference between Rubber Soul and Revolver much greater than that of Sgt Peppers, which for the most part sounds like a retread of a lot of previous ground. Some great tracks on here, but I find things like "Lovely Rita" and "Good Day Sunshine" to be really awkward-sounding - and I'm a McCartney fan(!)

Kevin OTM about "When I'm Sixty Four" - is it true Macca wrote this one several years prior to it being recorded?

dog latin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

he wrote it in 1935

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:55 (4 years ago) Permalink

I wonder if anyone will vote for the title track. It seems too vestigial for anyone to truly hate (or love?).

I love the hellllllll out of the title track and its reprise.

those .rawr blogs (kingkongvsgodzilla), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:57 (4 years ago) Permalink

Like, that last little lick at the end of reprise almost brings me tears of joy.

those .rawr blogs (kingkongvsgodzilla), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

this album as a whole irritates me -- too much preciousness, mostly -- but taken individually, i like most of the tracks. it's just the cumulative effect that makes it something i rarely listen to. the title track/reprise is the best bit, imo. contenders for worst (which in this case means most annoying) are "she's leaving home" (because i think the lyrics are sort of lame -- "fun is the one thing that money can't buy," ugh), "within you without you" (george at his most cottonheaded), maybe "good morning good morning," tho it's too slight to really be irksome.

flying squid attack (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:02 (4 years ago) Permalink

taken individually, i like most of the tracks. it's just the cumulative effect that makes it something i rarely listen to.

Exactly.

Little starbursts of joy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:05 (4 years ago) Permalink

It's strange, because even some of the tracks I'm not very fond of ("Within You Without You," "Good Morning," "Mr. Kite" especially) have amazing parts in them (the time signature is "Good Morning," the caliope - ?? -- circus bit in "Kite," etc.) making any of them impossible to write off. And yet, it's still nothing like my most-played Beatles LP. (I'm convinced it's one of the greatest LPs ever, though, for fans of amazing bass lines.) Anyway... "Within You Without You" is one I do tend to skip over, so I'll go with that.

sw00ds, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

Also "too slight to really be irksome" is exactly what irritates me about the album. There's a whole strain of 'art-pop' birthed by this album which demands a similar attention level.

Little starbursts of joy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

Thing is, there's so much in the way of accolade heaped upong "OMG OMG SGT. PEPPER OMG BEST RECORD EVAH MADE" etc. contrasted with "NOT AS GOOD AS REVOLVER CHALLOPS" that I was actually quite surprised when I finally, as an adult, heard the album as a whole and realised how many good tracks were on it (and not just the obvious well known ones.) It's a record that is rather overwhelmed by its reputation.

I Like Daydreams, I've Had Enough Reality (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

Also, it's true that there's something good in even the bad songs (the "can't get no worse" on Getting Better, the harmonies on the "Isle of Wight" middle 8 of When I'm 64) that I can't bring myself to vote for them.

I might wimp out and vote for the title track which I have always found annoying.

I Like Daydreams, I've Had Enough Reality (Masonic Boom), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

There are no songs worth voting for here. "(Reprise)" by default I suppose.

A Patch on Blazing Saddles (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

The title track and "Day in the Life" are the best things on it

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:09 (4 years ago) Permalink

... it's the bits in between I'm less impressed by

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:11 (4 years ago) Permalink

There are no songs worth voting for here. "(Reprise)" by default I suppose.

I've always thought "(Reprise)" was one of the best tracks!

Went with "Getting Better". Nothing wrong with it per se, just nothing about it makes me want to listen to it unless I'm playing the album all the way through.

EZ Snappin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

I do not understand the hate for "Good Morning, Good Morning." A crazy time signature, awesome saxophones, another great McCartney guitar solo . . . seriously, wtf?

The title track reprise on the new mono remaster is amazing, btw. Gives it a LOT more balls.

Pancakes Batman (Pancakes Hackman), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

Fixing a Hole 4EVA!!!

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:16 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, that's a very Scottish pronunciation of "on your knee"; I'd venture at Aberdeen area of Scotland too if I thought I knew wtf I was talking about. I've always been intrigued by it; I assume McCartney has some Scots heritage and is aiming to express that?

― Sickamous (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 24 September 2009 12:44 (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

You know, I played this yesterday, and the scots accent was something that struck me for the first time!

I wouldn't be surprised if that was an Ivor Cutlerism.

Mark G, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:17 (4 years ago) Permalink

The Mono reinstates the guitar chicken noise!

The bit at the end of "Good Morning", cluck 1 is the chicken, cluck 2 is George's guitar where they slowed the tape of "reprise" and quickly sped it back to normal again for the rest of the song.

They didn't bother to do this with the Stereo LP version.

Mark G, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:19 (4 years ago) Permalink

I wouldn't be surprised if that was an Ivor Cutlerism.

Ah! Could be!

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:24 (4 years ago) Permalink

"She's Leaving Home" without a second thought

Plunge Protection Team, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:37 (4 years ago) Permalink

shame on her!

Mark G, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:41 (4 years ago) Permalink

i was going to say ivor cutler - were the beatles fans? i've always noticed the scots accent, but then my granny is from aberdeen/dundee/glasgow/ulster (moved around a bit in her life) so maybe that's why.

dog latin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:56 (4 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, Paul was, and he asked Ivor to be in the Magical Mystery Tour.

He was also on Parlophone, which helps.

Mark G, Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:58 (4 years ago) Permalink

were the beatles fans?

You've not seen "Magical Mystery Tour" then?

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 13:59 (4 years ago) Permalink

"Here, have you been impersonating me again, Mr. McCartney?"

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:01 (4 years ago) Permalink

about the stereo/mono versions - can these be bought separately or do you have to get the box set?

dog latin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:06 (4 years ago) Permalink

Apparently they bonded over an unusual chord in Ivor's "I'm Going in a Field", which Macca was especially impressed with (xp)

Aw naw, no' Annoni oan an' aw noo (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:07 (4 years ago) Permalink

i think you have to buy the mono as a box set, the stereo versions can be bought individually

congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:08 (4 years ago) Permalink

Voted Within You, Without You because it is the only song that really doesn't fit in thematically or musically.

No, I don't think that Sgt. Pepper tells a story a la The Who's Tommy or something similar, but the songs definitely tie together in terms of theme and message.

I really don't get the comments about this album being a re-tread of Revolver, but then I buy all the hype...

Moodles, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:12 (4 years ago) Permalink

xpost ah no, i need to see MMT. Love the album of course.

dog latin, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:14 (4 years ago) Permalink

Also even though I can't blame the Beatles for it, "Mr. Kite" resulted in this awfulness:

It was the best part of Across the Universe, however:

abanana, Thursday, 24 September 2009 14:15 (4 years ago) Permalink

Unfortunately this is an album I played the HELL out of for a very specific window of time at around age 16, so basically when I hear it I involuntarily hear the dungeon rattles and smell the market streets of a lightweight and addictive MUD I was hooked on at the time.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:08 (1 year ago) Permalink

Even John Lennon thought Good Morning, Good Morning sucked. Best song: Fixing a Hole.

Poliopolice, Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:30 (1 year ago) Permalink

THIS version of Good Morning Good Morning does not suck

piscesx, Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

just saying

piscesx, Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:33 (1 year ago) Permalink

GM, GM might be my favorite song on the album. I'm not even counter-trolling.

aluminum rivets must not be proud of their plastic bosses (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:36 (1 year ago) Permalink

Expressing an opinion that others disagree with = trolling

WTF

Poliopolice, Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:43 (1 year ago) Permalink

Eh, just busting yr balls a bit.

I just fkin love the guitar, and the crazy abrasive sound of the horns, and yes the animal sounds.

aluminum rivets must not be proud of their plastic bosses (Jon Lewis), Saturday, 21 April 2012 01:46 (1 year ago) Permalink

Don't get hating on GM,GM at all, the solo is searing, the drumming is spot-on, and Lennon's multitracked, queasy, weird, "I'VE GOT nothing to say but it's o.k" is so perfect.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

Don't like: 64, Lovely Rita, GM, GM.

Not crazy about: Lucy, Within You Without You.

Everything else is various shades of fantastic

HIDDEN GEM: Fixing a Hole

I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:15 (1 year ago) Permalink

i've still never heard of Meet The Wife outside of the context of GM GM. i don't even know if it was a real TV show.

piscesx, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

Macca is so great on GM, GM. Sure, the bass, but as the Doctor points out: that guitar break! I love his stupid flashy leads sometimes.

bentelec, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:22 (1 year ago) Permalink

Meet The Wife (starring Thora Hird) was real! That is...all I know about it.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 21 April 2012 03:51 (1 year ago) Permalink

go to the show, hope she goes

bendy, Saturday, 21 April 2012 06:10 (1 year ago) Permalink

everything is closed, it's like a ruin

fruitsbs (beachville), Saturday, 21 April 2012 10:34 (1 year ago) Permalink

As a kid, my least favorites were Lucy and She's Leaving Home. A lot of people don't like Leaving because it's cloying or boring or slow, but for me it was straight traumatic, like I could imagine the girl's mother crying and all.

fruitsbs (beachville), Saturday, 21 April 2012 10:40 (1 year ago) Permalink

The guitar fill on GM, GM after "it's time for tea and 'Meet the Wife'" is 1,000x greater on the mono version than the stereo. I really do consider the mono the definitive version of this record and have zero interest in the stereo anymore.

i love the large auns pictures! (Phil D.), Saturday, 21 April 2012 11:42 (1 year ago) Permalink

OTM re: that fill. Sounds like it's double-tracked on the mono. Who knew such a seemingly minor addition could add exponentially to the song's power.

Waterloo? Oh, we've sunsetted that. (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 21 April 2012 12:16 (1 year ago) Permalink

> As a kid, my least favorites were Lucy and She's Leaving Home. A lot of people don't like Leaving because it's cloying or boring or slow, but for me it was straight traumatic

This was actually the one I most identified with as a teen because I fantasized about running away with my gf at the time

I need to hear the mono version ("You haven't heard Sgt. Pepper until you've heard it in mono" - John Lennon). I know "She's Leaving Home" is in a different key and speed - wonder why it was changed on the stereo mix.

Lee626, Saturday, 21 April 2012 21:29 (1 year ago) Permalink

Is there a way to buy a new copy of the mono CD outside of the mono box set?

Moodles, Saturday, 21 April 2012 22:23 (1 year ago) Permalink

I remember lying on the floor looking at the gatefold and fooling around with the cut-out inserts when I was six or seven. By then I already knew about the Beatles from their Saturday morning cartoon. My 1967 vote for worst song would have been "Mr. Kite," which kind of creeped me out. My favorites were probably "Lucy" and "Getting Better."

Brad C., Saturday, 21 April 2012 23:13 (1 year ago) Permalink

man, I guess I need to seek out the mono version of Pepper.

re: GM, GM - I dig Lennon's stark early take here:

the sparse recording reinforces the suburban hellishness of the song imho

Darin, Sunday, 22 April 2012 02:57 (1 year ago) Permalink

fwiw

pplains, Sunday, 22 April 2012 03:05 (1 year ago) Permalink

Everybody else sees the background pulsating in that cover, right?

Right?

pplains, Sunday, 22 April 2012 03:07 (1 year ago) Permalink


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