The strawman of the white, DJ Shadow/Jurassic 5 loving, university student hip-hop fan

deej said it upthread: it's boring, not wrong. White hip-hop fans who only enjoy music by white artists is a whole other thread.

The next two projects will be (i) a solo album from Wu-Tang affiliate producer Bronze Nazareth who recently produced tracks for RZA, GZA, Masta Killa, Immortal Technique and Black Market Militia and (ii) a solo album from long time Wu-Tang affiliate LA the Darkman/Embassy Entertainment.

Maybe I'm just out of touch (I haven't really followed Hip-Hop closely since 1996), but from what I remember, those Hip-Hop fans who liked J5 in the beginning were either from the golden age, or at least saw J5 as the extension of it in the face of the Puffy Daddy era.

On the other hand, I never was a fan of DJ Shadow for the most part. I know he becomes furious when the term Trip-Hop gets affixed to his name, but yeah, white, lyriciless, slow, and boring to my ears...sounds like Trip-Hop (sic) to me (or whatever term people apply to that sound now).

Point being, I had many friends at the time who were bedroom DJ's that were exclusivly into that Ninja Tune/Mo Wax sound, and they bought into J5 w/o looking at the remainder of what I thought was part of the Hip-Hop canon.

Maybe that's what this thread is saying?

Either way, Native Toungues, and their fallout, have always been on of the facets of Hip-Hop that I love, despite some peripheral audiences it may've attracted.

this type of thinking is really rampant in hip hop fans. it's not necessarily "writing off huge parts of rap and hip-hop music as being without worth". it could be that all that other hip hop just doesn't appeal to them. would one make the same statement if someone liked, say, just the white stripes and radiohead or whatever but didn't care for chuck berry or the rolling stones or lynyrd skynrd or funkadelic? why, if you say like hip hop, do you have to like ALL hip hop? it seems like an extension of the "i'm more real/true to this" than you line of thought.

It's like this for me...

I never liked much rock music until these past 5 or 10 years. I don't have context the way rock fans do...so when the Strokes came out, I loved it...but my rock friends were like "no no, they're so derivitave."

But their newfound interest in Hip-Hop is the same thing...they like plenty of the newer commercial stuff I feel is lame, and I point them to the classics and explain the context.

Am I smug? I'd take J5 over 50 Cent, and I was part of this Hip-Hop thing since it came out on record. They're plenty of people who have given me Gang of Four lessons telling me to steer clear of The Bravery (whom I've never heard as a result).

"I wish I had a mic"

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The distasteful thing to me is if you start describing what you like as "real hip-hop" and that you don't like "rap" even if that's exactly what you're listening to. A lot of these "white, DJ Shadow/Jurassic 5 loving, university student hip-hop fan[s]" say they listen to hip-hop, not rap. It's the same situation as those cats who only like gangster rap who say anything that doesn't talk about clothes, bank roles, and hos isn't "real" either.

And I'm sure there are a ton of other people out there who listen to "real rock", "real country", and "real drum 'n bass". I find those people weird for the same reason.

Also, I like Shadow, RJD2, and J5 and even if that was the only hip-hop/rap you listened to, I'd still say that person liked "real hip-hop". I'd just take offense when they start describing Warren G as being without worth.

I actually must give some credit to pitchfork (heaven forbid) on actually speaking the truth that J5 must be one of the most borning bands on the planet, and that there are sum mainstream rappers with actual talent. The many-alt hip hop is just as negative as the gansta rap... if i hear one more time on how j5 is gonna take us back to the day.....!!!!

i'll let my good friend from outkast sum up 4 me
"met a critic, I made her shit her drawers
She said she thought hip-hop was only guns and alcohol
I said "Oh hell naw!" But yet it's that too
You can't discrimi-hate cause you done read a book or two"

T-minus 18 months to Arrested Development revival, y'all!

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:( RIP

Early attempt at trolling here, not really a classic.

Needed more steampunk

also needs to not be based on a previously professed love for j5

Firstly, yes, I like Jurassic 5. Woo-fucking-hoo.

Dom you said "I'm seriously interested on this one, and I have no real answers. Do discuss." and now you say it was "Early attempt at trolling here, not really a classic." How will we ever know if you are being disingenuous in the future?

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I'm seriously interested on this one, and I have no real answers.

^^^ An obsessive interest in researching scandal/gossip that's happened in the past, manifesting itself as revivals of old threads to highlight some post or statement that's supposedly funny or o_0 or whatever.

wtf guys i just wanted to big up an arrested development revival

HOOS I was ^^^ing gebbnab

In an age where hip-hop stars are regularly lambasted for inciting violence, misogyny and homophobia, and where a lot of the time this is true, it could be all too easy to slip into a jaded view of the whole genre. But by dismissing it out of hand, a whole world of musical pioneering could be missed - for every Ludacris there's a Mos Def, for every G-Unit there's a De La Soul. Hip-Hop can have something to say, and it can be as meaningful as any lyric sung by some misanthropic indie singer.

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still easier to take the piss out of the dj shadow fan (i dunno if this sort of fan still exists though, theyve probably moved onto clipse/wayne etc and regard their earlier 'corny' def jux/prefuse/rjd2 phase with embarassment) than the person who thinks lil boosie and plies are keeping the levels high.

theyve probably moved onto clipse/wayne etc and regard their earlier 'corny' def jux/prefuse/rjd2 phase with embarassment

haha yeah i think this is key. the new strawman regards jay-z playing glastonbury in 2008 as a great leap forward.

where does that blipster dude dom was blogging about fit into this?

I like DJ Shadow, sorry.

lol i think that blipster dude wants beef

Hot beef injection from Dom Passantino.

I d/led that DJ Shadow early stuff 4xCD sprawl about a month ago but haven't listened to any of it yet. I should get round to it really.

haha yeah i think this is key. the new strawman regards jay-z playing glastonbury in 2008 as a great leap forward.

Back in the day, we built our strawmen from people we saw walking round university campuses. Now we build them based on late twentysomethings we read on the internet.

pretty much, though i am still a student!

This kind of guy (generalise from your own experience) also listens to a set list of indie and IDM types, but you never hear indie fans complaining about how Super Furry Animals fans are ruining indie, or electronica types talking about "Yet _another_ Aphex Twin fan".

Haha RONG.

Yeah isn't Aphex Twin the signifier for someone claiming "I'm not really into that dance stuff, although I don't mind Come to Daddy?" Dance music for 6Music listeners. Again, I like Aphex Twin!

sopering point but this autumn's fresher intake were not born when aphex put out his first record, so they're not going to be invested in his work in quite the same way as us old lags.

sobering. hic.

Since it's not 1998 any more, you probably need to substitute Aphex Twin for The Bug or Burial or someone.

Actually this strawman still pops up in my head whenever I look at the Friday night listings for Fabric. These people will always exist, unless weed suddenly disappears from the surface of the earth.

I'm old, just not down with the hippy students any more.

Come To Daddy would be morelike the token pick for 'open minded'-but-not-really metal fans FWIW (Dillinger Escape Plan covered it for example)