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that seems like a generalization to me. I live in CA and significanttt numbers of middle class students go to our local cc instead of straight to a 4 year school. I took about 10 classes there in hs and there is a v. large variety of people and incomes.
of course, my local CC looked like this:
― iatee, Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:11 (3 years ago) Permalink
One only needs to look at how "Good Times" normalized the way people view welfare and tenement housing to see how badly "Community" has dropped the ball before it even airs.
― so says i tranny ben franklin (HI DERE), Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:12 (3 years ago) Permalink
(and is probably less representative of ccs than the show. but still, main idea, you really can't generalize + it's probably good that they're getting *some* sort of pop culture rep)
― iatee, Thursday, 17 September 2009 20:13 (3 years ago) Permalink
I spent a summer at a community college getting a few credits out of the way, and I must say that I did not have a favorable impression of the experience. Sorry guys!
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 17 September 2009 21:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
ownd
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
I also went to a community college in CA for the first two years of my degree! Now I work at a community college in OR, and people cry when I tell them I was paying $11 a unit compared to the $81 a unit they're charging here.
― gmail im going to murder u at a beach party (reddening), Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:25 (3 years ago) Permalink
two years off cc for the basics seems like not a bad idea - also watching and discussing this show - it is funny
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
I trust ice cr?m's taste; going to dl
did u see any 'glee' yet ice cr?m?
― cozwn, Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:34 (3 years ago) Permalink
Glee is 50% good, 50% terrible, sometimes at the same time.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:35 (3 years ago) Permalink
that's what I'm into
― cozwn, Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:36 (3 years ago) Permalink
I'm sort of embarrassed about currently attending a community college, not because I'm attending a community college, but because when people ask me what I'm learning I honestly have to say "not much." If I didn't need something official looking to put on my resume, I could've saved a lot of money just teaching myself at home.
It's for this reason I will not only be NOT offended if this show skewers the community college experience, but I was actively derive joy from it!
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:41 (3 years ago) Permalink
was=will (der)
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
Is it "not learning anything" because the classes are poorly taught, or because they require you to take a bunch of general ed bullshit before you can get to your chosen subject? I have students complain to me all the time about the uselessness of general ed, but ultimately they'd be taking the same classes for way more money at a four-year.
― gmail im going to murder u at a beach party (reddening), Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
the classes are poorly taught
I'm in the digital media/tv production program, which is basically run by two instructors at different campuses who absolutely hate each other. Whatever one teaches, the other debunks. After all that is through, it's basically playtime when it comes to studio production and editing projects. Basically, they tell you how to turn on the computer and open up Adobe Premiere (which isn't even industry standard software) and then advise the best they know how, which is limited in all respects.
The worst thing is, the college has a completely digital hi-def PBS station right there, and they won't let students anywhere near it. We're using a studio with equipment that's, no lie, from the 1970s.
― Johnny Fever, Thursday, 17 September 2009 23:55 (3 years ago) Permalink
in my experience (classes at a pretty well funded california cc) there was a large spectrum of teacher quality. but overall, what you get out of a class also sorta depends on the students (teachers often teach to the lowest common denominator + you learn through class discussions / study groups.) and this is where the cc classes I took were significantly worse than the classes at my srs 4 year school. they tended to be worse than my public hs AP classes too.
― iatee, Friday, 18 September 2009 00:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
xpost Ugh, that's awful. The students I work with gravitate toward the humanities or medical/nursing programs, which run really well at my CC, but I've heard similar accounts of, like, blind incompetence in certain Computer Science classes.
― gmail im going to murder u at a beach party (reddening), Friday, 18 September 2009 00:14 (3 years ago) Permalink
part of the problem (not to get all shop talk on you, but...) is that cc teachers are usually people who have other jobs and teach "for a little extra cash" adjunct instructors (sometimes up to 75% of the instructors at a CC are adjunct) are often blase because:
they are not teachers by trade are often not given the training or tools to be effective teachersare not paid very well for their time/expertiseare often required to do things that are beyond their range of skills, like writing a syllabus*
that said, there are a lot of great teachers out there at CCs (ahem), but there are a lot of craptacular ones too for the aforementioned reasons
*note: this is not always true, but it's true more than more than most students at CCs realize
― figgy pudding (La Lechera), Friday, 18 September 2009 00:20 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ok I'm watching the show and this bears no resemblance to my life at all aside from the woman who referenced her babysitter.
― figgy pudding (La Lechera), Friday, 18 September 2009 01:40 (3 years ago) Permalink
These people all talk to each other. As iatee referenced above, almost nobody in my classes talks to each other.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 September 2009 01:42 (3 years ago) Permalink
It must be said, John Oliver is the funniest thing in this show.
― Mordy, Friday, 18 September 2009 01:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
It must also be said that whatsherface really doesn't look all that much like Elizabeth Shue.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 September 2009 01:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
Where are the nonnative speakers? Sorry but if this is what passes for funny on tv I'm not impressed. My real life is funnier than this. I have a student whose name is Porntip, but she prefers to go by her nickname: Nooky.
― figgy pudding (La Lechera), Friday, 18 September 2009 01:50 (3 years ago) Permalink
Ass-burgers.
― Mordy, Friday, 18 September 2009 01:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
Nice touch ending with "Don't You Forget About Me."
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 18 September 2009 01:59 (3 years ago) Permalink
I give it a B+ (ish).
I laughed a little at the menengitis joke.
― figgy pudding (La Lechera), Friday, 18 September 2009 02:01 (3 years ago) Permalink
i didn't really have high expectations from the ads/clips i'd seen, but this was a really strong pilot, i laughed a lot. hope it goes well from here.
― murda mo not mo murda (some dude), Friday, 18 September 2009 02:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
right, the whole 'no outside social interaction, people don't know each other' thing is one of the defining features of these places.
I didn't think it was that great, maybe because I felt like I had already seen the entire episode over the ads they showed earlier in the night.
― iatee, Friday, 18 September 2009 05:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
i wasn't so bullish on the pilot, but yay trudy campbell!
― Wake OOIOO (get bent), Friday, 18 September 2009 05:33 (3 years ago) Permalink
the whole 'no outside social interaction, people don't know each other' thing is one of the defining features of these places.
Granted, I went to a smaller community college, but this wasn't true of my experience at all! People in the same classes formed these rag-tag social groups all the time, even if they'd only last a semester or two.
I enjoyed the show a lot -- definitely a stronger pilot than, say, Parks and Recreation last season.
― gmail im going to murder u at a beach party (reddening), Friday, 18 September 2009 05:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
that dude from Derrick Comedy being in this upped my interest about 50%
that said, this pilot was just ok - i'll give it sometime, gotta watch something b/w Office and Sunny until 30 Rock comes back anyway
― Nhex, Friday, 18 September 2009 06:10 (3 years ago) Permalink
I thought it was strong, I look forward to seeing what they do with the future plotlines. Besides the main character's derisive comments, which weren't overly damning coming from him, there wasn't anything that really cast a negative light on community college; the dorky dean is a universal college staple on TV, and none of the students in the study group at least particularly scream "oh look how retarded comm college students are!". One thing the students seemed to have in common is that they weren't stupid, but for various reasons going to/getting into a four-year school just wasn't feasible at the time, which sums up nicely why a lot of people choose community college.
I went to community college through a Washington State program during my junior and senior year of high school full time and I loved it; getting my AA for free (I literally paid no tuition ever) was a bonus too. I met many really bright people at the comm college and many real morons at my university. Same with professors. As long as the show doesn't devolve into a bunch of community college jokes then I think there's lots of potential.
― musically, Friday, 18 September 2009 07:06 (3 years ago) Permalink
pete campbell's wife is in this? or am i wrong
― just sayin, Saturday, 19 September 2009 08:30 (3 years ago) Permalink
Yes, it is Pete's wife! Now I am looking for some crazy way for Pete to make a cameo on this show. He would be great as an officious dean.
― The ever dapper nicolars (Nicole), Saturday, 19 September 2009 12:29 (3 years ago) Permalink
― iatee, Friday, September 18, 2009 1:03 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i thought the whole plot of the first episode was that these people hadn't talked to each other in class and that we were being the shown catalyst of how they all ended up interacting and having a study group together?
― some dude, Saturday, 19 September 2009 12:43 (3 years ago) Permalink
B+ seems about right. pretty funny in places but i did not care for the Life Lessons Learned stuff
― feed them to the (Linden Ave) lions (will), Saturday, 19 September 2009 13:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
and yes, better that Parks & Rec pilot from last year
― feed them to the (Linden Ave) lions (will), Saturday, 19 September 2009 13:03 (3 years ago) Permalink
I thought the end of ep 2 was pretty funny
― iatee, Friday, 25 September 2009 04:58 (3 years ago) Permalink
terrible show
― am0n, Friday, 25 September 2009 05:02 (3 years ago) Permalink
well yeah
― iatee, Friday, 25 September 2009 05:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
the ken jeong bit was good
― am0n, Friday, 25 September 2009 05:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
As I feared, the Chevy Chase character is turning out to be a little much. Either tone him down or sack him altogether. I like the rest of the cast and the show itself, though.
― Johnny Fever, Friday, 25 September 2009 05:04 (3 years ago) Permalink
This show is one where I still haven't been able to form an opinion. I need to see some actual humor come out of the minor characters. as a drama the story arch is still pretty interesting... I mean the main character is cool and I can easily relate to community college type experiences and trying to get "the girl". but if the show doesn't step up soon I won't believe that any of the characters are really that funny.
I'm giving it another week or two.
― beauty of grunge = abandon (CaptainLorax), Friday, 25 September 2009 05:31 (3 years ago) Permalink
Episode 1: Total horseshit.Episode 2: Had moments.
― Your heartbeat soun like sasquatch feet (polyphonic), Friday, 25 September 2009 05:44 (3 years ago) Permalink
Chevy Chase 2009 would be really, really great as the lead in "Sonofabitch: The Dick Cheney Story"
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Friday, 25 September 2009 05:53 (3 years ago) Permalink
I laughed.
― Super Cub, Friday, 25 September 2009 07:46 (3 years ago) Permalink
It's not firing on all cylinders, but I'm already fond of the characters and that makes up for the weaker stuff. Was John Oliver's character a one-off, or is he coming back?
― "apostrophe" is not Latin for "watch out for the S" (reddening), Friday, 25 September 2009 09:22 (3 years ago) Permalink
I think he's part of the cast
― iatee, Friday, 25 September 2009 09:32 (3 years ago) Permalink
show needs less chevy chase, more donald glover
― Nhex, Friday, 25 September 2009 09:52 (3 years ago) Permalink
this show was awesome, i don't know what you all are talking about
― congratulations (n/a), Friday, 25 September 2009 12:15 (3 years ago) Permalink
last season nbc was super psyched about their new sitcoms to the point where it looked like it might be the end of all their cult thursday shows. Now, everything is canceled except for two of the cult thursday shows. a+
― da croupier, Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:24 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
xxxpost whoops I meant Gillian Jacobs, not Alison Brie
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
i britta-ed that one
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:32 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
He has diagnosed himself with asbergers
Unless he's been actually diagnosed this is probably bullshit.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:32 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
my god that Deadline article is so dumb.
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:36 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
I completely agree but I'm fairly sceptical of actual 'diagnoses' of things like this as well.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:50 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
the extent of his self diagnosis was that people started telling him that Abed surely had Aspberger's and he thought, well a lot of Abed's quirks are based on my own, therefore I must also have it.
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:52 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
Well, no, he looked it up on the internet and took some tests and stuff. Which is still probably bullshit.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 11 May 2013 15:58 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
god do people not understand what doctors are for
― j., Saturday, 11 May 2013 20:13 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
It's possible that the people telling you about this on ILX are not registered doctors who are accurately reporting Harmon's actual words
― charli.xlsx (sic), Saturday, 11 May 2013 23:25 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
heard that harmon was pretty checked out and awol during s3
The writers' room's tumblr was from S3 wasn't it? Or might have just been when I saw it.
Anyway, ppl who worked on S3 have said that 50-85% of another writer's script could be written by Harmon, and the immediate collapse of tone & pace in S4 indicates that he was still present in the editing bay right through S3.
― charli.xlsx (sic), Saturday, 11 May 2013 23:30 (2 weeks ago) Permalink
i know he's famous for doing rewriting but I've heard some secondhand chat about him being less predictable and waaaaay behind schedule in s3. while obviously there's a big shift between s3 and s4, s3's patchiness/clumsiness compared to s2 indicates something too.
― da croupier, Sunday, 12 May 2013 03:48 (1 week ago) Permalink
meant less reliable not predictable
― da croupier, Sunday, 12 May 2013 03:52 (1 week ago) Permalink
looks like i'm not the only one to hear this
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/11/could-dan-harmon-return-to-community-for-season-5
There are definitely reasons to be skeptical about this, one being that Sony and NBC letting Harmon go was due to many factors, with his feud with Chase just one – one that was notable and got lots of press, but at the most was likely a straw that broke the camel’s aspect back more than the central issue, and even that may be an overstatement. In fact, long before the Chase issues, Harmon was said by many to have frequently gone over budget and both he and his writing staff have spoken openly in the time since he’s left about how he almost never had a completed script ready on schedule, making it very difficult for production on a basic level. On top of that, it’s well known (and acknowledged by Harmon) that he was prone to flat out ignoring studio and network notes, something that might make him a hero to fans, but is not desired by those in charge.
― da croupier, Sunday, 12 May 2013 03:57 (1 week ago) Permalink
that doesn't mean "awol" though, it's more because he wouldn't let something go in order to get the whole thing done
Harmon was said by many to have frequently gone over budget
he's said this himself, and he used to put his own pay back into the production at times
― charli.xlsx (sic), Sunday, 12 May 2013 07:35 (1 week ago) Permalink
After staying away from the series at first for fear of it being some horrific mess that would spoil my memories of what came before, I have to say that season 4 really didn't seem all that awful to me. Some missteps, sure, and it didn't have the same spark as before, but it wasn't unwatchable. And it sure as hell wasn't as bad as The Big Bang Theory.
― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Sunday, 12 May 2013 11:24 (1 week ago) Permalink
i would have preferred it to be a horrific mess rather than bland and unfunny
― mimicking regular benevloent (sic) users' names (President Keyes), Sunday, 12 May 2013 11:43 (1 week ago) Permalink
This was still WAY better than Big Bang Theory
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 12 May 2013 15:27 (1 week ago) Permalink
Y'all are high
― far too much asshole flesh (DJP), Sunday, 12 May 2013 15:28 (1 week ago) Permalink
Maybe you're low?
― media conglomerates are pedaling the same product (stevie), Sunday, 12 May 2013 17:49 (1 week ago) Permalink
adam's right
i'm with the attitude that even a mediocre Community is better than most sitcoms and still enjoyable. also agree with the prediction that season 5 will be better than season 4, there were a lot of obvious transitional pains going on with this season, not to mention the horrific scheduling mishaps which were made worse when it seemed like half the episodes were holiday-based
― Nhex, Sunday, 12 May 2013 18:02 (1 week ago) Permalink
i don't really gaf if a show airs things when it's seasonally appropriate. pretty much every show on cable airs holiday/seasonally specific episodes at the 'wrong' time of the year and it's not like it matters to me at all when i'm watching.
― seanpennderizer (some dude), Sunday, 12 May 2013 18:28 (1 week ago) Permalink
one episode isn't that noticeable, but we only had 13 eps this season so the the abrupt jumps from halloween > thanksgiving > christmas during february-april was really weird to me
― Nhex, Sunday, 12 May 2013 18:33 (1 week ago) Permalink
i think most cable shows wouldn't do that many holiday episodes in one season either for that reason
― Nhex, Sunday, 12 May 2013 18:34 (1 week ago) Permalink
The first half of Mad Men season four was just holiday episodes. And it was awesome!
― Frederik B, Sunday, 12 May 2013 18:37 (1 week ago) Permalink
30 rock had a holiday episode themed season which was awesome.
― stefon taylor swiftboat (s.clover), Sunday, 12 May 2013 18:54 (1 week ago) Permalink