Recommend me something similar to Hole's 'Celebrity Skin'

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i mean, just the title "celebrity skin" is so great,

Stolen from a late 80s/90s L.A. band featuring Don Bolles, wasn't it?

eek, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

as well as a magazine.

PRIVATE HELL 36 (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I always assumed it was named after the magazine rather than the band as well.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm amazed too. and happy. this is a truly great album and to see this great discussion, eight years later and without any focus on courtney love's public persona but all about the music, is great.

-- jonfromsweden (jon.la...), March 14th, 2006.


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and i just noticed i used the word "great" two times too many.
-- jonfromsweden (jon.la...), March 14th, 2006. (jonfromsweden)

The remix:
i'm amazed too. and happy. this is a truly grebt album and to see this grebbt discussion, eight years later and without any focus on courtney love's public persona but all about the music, is grebbbt.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link

without any focus on courtney love's public persona

Almost 100 posts in, too. This place is weird without Alex in NYC...

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

By the way, other than Tim sort of saying I Am Me, no one's tried to answer the original question.

I've only heard a couple of songs on Celebrity Skin, so I won't try. I prefer Autobiography to I Am Me, though I like the latter quite a lot; and when Mikael Wood reviewed Autobiography he said that basically it was this decade's Live Through This, so maybe I won't like Celebrity Skin quite as much as I like Live Through This.

(But Autobiography actually has much more of a spring in its step than Live Through This Has does. Autobiography explicates the pain so as to dance free of it. On Live Through This, the pain is a big part of the dance. As it is on the title song of I Am Me.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Autobiography explicates the pain so as to dance free of it

I think you will enjoy Celebrity Skin, then.

Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link

another favorite lyric on the album: "you want a part of me/well i'm not selling cheap" -- not selling cheap, i love it. like there's no pretense that she's not selling ("oh cinderella, they aren't sluts like you"), just that she's gonna drive the price up as far as she can.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link

"she obliterated everything she kissed"

PRIVATE HELL 36 (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link

"I was punk, now I'm just stupid, god I'm awful.."

dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Not to drag this back down to the level of mid 90s alt.rock celeb-magdom, but is "Awful" a response song to "Professional Widow"?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I always thought it was "it's better to rot than fade away" i.e. sell out and have all your fans disown you rather than be slowly forgotten.

I also love the other spin on the line darla quoted from "Awful": "It was punk, it was perfect, now it's awful!"

No-one's ever really explained to me the Tori/Courtney/Trent mythology behind "Professional Widow".

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link

hasn't tori always denied that professional widow is about clo?

jonfromsweden (jonfromsweden), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 09:59 (eighteen years ago) link

this is hole's only good song.

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:05 (eighteen years ago) link

?

Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:27 (eighteen years ago) link

the video for the first single of americas sweetheart i remember being all about courtney as nu messiah to little girls, which may fit into this all

anthony, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:12 (eighteen years ago) link

and ysi it her cover of its all over now baby blue someone please?

anthony, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:16 (eighteen years ago) link

i can ysi the mp3 later, but i googled this link for you in the meantime. it has a wav file of it, and mp3s/wavs of all other single tracks.

http://vintagestars.com/river/SoundsSingles.html

jonfromsweden (jonfromsweden), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 12:08 (eighteen years ago) link

It's happening!

Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

(Btw, my favorite rock song of the '00s is probably Courtney's "Life Despite God": starts as Claire Trevor, ends up as Bette Davis.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Did Celebrity Skin sound anything like *Celebrity Skin*? I have a feeling they might have (Redd Kross, who they were somehwat ripping off, had a sort of Fleetwood Mac obsession, didn't they?), though I can't pinpoint what the similarities might have been. Anyway, I used to kind of like this album, which sadly nobody ever mentions anymore:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:fudgyl2jxpnb

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link

I saw the band live, Chuck! It was engagingly ridiculous.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link

(Not to mention Redd Kross had a Cherie & Marie Currie obsession for sure -- see Scott's post at the beginning of this thread -- and both they and the band Celebrity Skin DEFINITELY fit the "stuff combining power chords and that glossy Hollywood nihilism" category bigtime.) (Fuck, did Redd Kross TOTALLY INVENT '90s MUSIC AND '00s TEENPOP??? I never thought of that before, but maybe the argument could be made!)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Hahaha, they'd love that!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Well, Redd Kross were also into the Brady Bunch, as were L'Trimm and Schoolly D. So maybe Schoolly D '00s teenpop.

(Now I go offline.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Maybe Schoolly D invented '00s teenpop.

(Now I really go offline.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

"Here comes a storm in the form of a girl" -- THAT *WILL* BE ON MY TOMBSTONE.

Je4nne ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link

and ysi it her cover of its all over now baby blue someone please?

this is the version from the "malibu" single:
http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0AYM1QNQ19PMP0GD4PN43QP3JJ

PRIVATE HELL 36 (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks!
Funny how it fits so well lyrically with the album

Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 20:29 (eighteen years ago) link

is "Awful" a response song to "Professional Widow"

doubt it. I used to be a Tori fan, as I remember she was singing about herself again in "Widow", stuff like playing in DC piano bars ("gonna wipe a tear/make him feel like a Congressman") to being an LA rock chick quasi groupie etc. She did say it wasn't about Court. though it was great when 90's alt rock was a ridiculous soap opera - if there's a Tori song about that, it's "She's Your Cocaine."

As for Hole, the early version of "Boys on the Radio" was LTT era song "Sugar Coma" introduced sarcastically as being about a couple different people and w/alternate title "I Slept with the Devil".. this was on a truly excellent Unplugged show back in 1995. the whole performance is a treat and Courtney's in top form. sorry, I totally geeked out over Hole back in the day and I'm still wishing she'd get her act together and put out more records..

dar1a g (daria g), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 22:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm still wishing she'd get her act together and put out more records

It's NME, so take it for what it's worth...

http://www.nme.com/news/courtney-love/22499

Exclusive - Courtney Love returns to the studio
The former-Hole star dismisses tabloid rumors as she goes back to work
Courtney Love has entered a Los Angeles studio to begin work on a new solo album.

Following her brief trip to London last week during which she checked out Dirty Pretty Things at Kings College (March 8), Love told NME.COM she's starting pre-production on her second solo album with producer Linda Perry this week.

The main recording of the as yet untitled effort will take place in April with Perry producing the bulk. Billy Corgan is also set to produce a handful of her new tracks.

Discussing the songs she is considering for her upcoming record Love said: "I don't generally talk about what the songs are about, but I will say that in the gutters of this earth you can always find love. In the darkest alley and [during] the lowest moment there is always that thing that glitters just a little bit, no matter how twisted or deadly or violent. It's there magical and transformative. I've written a lot about that."

However she laughed-off suggestions that this could include comedian Steve Coogan, who she was linked with again in weekend news reports.

"We're friends and he's funny as fuck and very cool. But he's not my boyfriend and if he was I sure as hell would never talk about it," she declared, adding the coverage had upset her. "My private life is my private life. I'll say one thing. I'm fucking sick of fucking tabloids, I don't talk to them and I don't like them."

She added that since working with Jim Carrey on the 1999 film 'Man On The Moon' about comedian Andy Kaufman, she had found herself more inspired by comics than rock stars.

"Ever since I worked with Jim Carrey I've related really well to comedians," she said. "I think our jobs are really similar and I'm drawn to people as friends who aren't afraid to go to the edge. A lot of times rockers are trying to be cool so much they forget that the fundamental job is to be as vulnerable as possible. Really good comedians are sometimes more rock 'n' roll than rock 'n' rollers."

Love declared that this now included 'Little Britain''s Matt Lucas and David Walliams, whom she met on her recent London trip, revealing: "I have a 'Fat Fighters' sticker on my guitar!"

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rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 22:48 (eighteen years ago) link

all right, go Courtney. damn, it's a shame Hole didn't make more records, and I never got to see her play live - was going to see the America's Sweetheart tour but it got cancelled.

dar1a g (daria g), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link

when she has her act together she does great things. i wish she'd make more movies (she's picked a lot of interesting roles in weird little films and her screen presence is amazing), but i wonder if her looks are too shot now. :-(

PRIVATE HELL 36 (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

(and yeah, i liked trapped.)

PRIVATE HELL 36 (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 23:16 (eighteen years ago) link

was going to see the America's Sweetheart tour but it got cancelled

roffle - I'm still holding on to my ticket, just in case... I suppose at this point I should just send it in for the refund. Sigh...

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 23:57 (eighteen years ago) link

She'll be back. Her work's not done yet and she knows it.

Je4nne ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Thursday, 16 March 2006 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link

"did you miss me?"

rogermexico (rogermexico), Thursday, 16 March 2006 00:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Heheh. "They say that rock is dead, and they're probably right.."

I'm listening to Celebrity Skin right now, actually ("Petals"). So many great lines on this. Before that, Pretty on the Inside, because I really like "Mrs. Jones" for some reason, it's so aggro but there are still some funny lines, uh, not great on paper but the delivery makes them work. "When you fall for the garbage man.. you wind up in the garbage."

Anyone else like Zeplin Song as much as me? I get the feeling most Hole fans really hate it, but it cracks me up, esp "Why are the stoners always stoned? Why are the burners always toast? Why did the chicken cross the road?... To get away from the Zeplin song." awesome. oh, and this one:

Why does he rain on my parade?
Why does the song remain the same?
I can't remember my own name
I work for minimum wage!

dar1a g (daria g), Thursday, 16 March 2006 04:37 (eighteen years ago) link

She'll be back. Her work's not done yet and she knows it.

There's still smack out there to be shot up.

Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 16 March 2006 04:38 (eighteen years ago) link

To go back to my initial question, Gitane Demone's (of Christian Death fame) 'Stars of Trash' is pretty close in spirit to 'Celebrity Skin' (but not as catchy).

Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link

(and yeah, i liked trapped.)

Weirdo!

Zwan (miccio), Monday, 20 March 2006 16:58 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Any new ideas? I'm thinking some emo bands out there must have polished and protooled their ansgt and shiny guitars enough to come close.

Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Thursday, 6 July 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Strange that no one has mentioned Kenickie or Angelica.

Ned Beauman (NedBeauman), Thursday, 6 July 2006 14:58 (seventeen years ago) link

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pT7HnQ68bJg&search=hole%20glastonbury

dunno if you've seen this, but what she does about half way thru this clip made ms. love go way way up in my estimation.
one of the coolest things i've ever seen anyone do onstage
(the kids up there had been pulled out of the crowd at the front by her beforehand).

pisces (piscesx), Thursday, 6 July 2006 15:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I find it entirely shocking that the genius, anthemic track "Dying" received not one mention on this thread. Melissa's backing vocals are ethereal and flawless.

Driving down to L.A. once I threw this album on and was surprised to find that everyone in the car with me knew all the words to every song, and we screamed our lungs out from start to finish and some even harmonized. It was amazing.

I also asked Linda Perry about Courtney's new album when I was at her birthday party, and she said it's "so good that it's not even funny."
You know Billy's working with her again. We'll see....

Saint Patrik (cobaininacoma), Thursday, 6 July 2006 18:55 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...
Ah now I can I make it bump

is anyone anticipating the new Baaderonixx? (baaderonixx), Thursday, 2 November 2006 12:30 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

Judging by the boots of Courtney's new album floating around, this could finally be it.

baaderonixx, Thursday, 22 November 2007 12:13 (sixteen years ago) link

The two songs I heard were good.

marmotwolof, Thursday, 22 November 2007 12:14 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

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