Stina Nordenstam

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I'm astonished that it was released here in Australia actually, I think it may be her first album to get a release here since Dynamite (and I can't be sure I didn't buy *that* on import when it came out).

"The arrangements on the album are spectacular, clearly the best in her career so far. The string quartet pieces are definitely one of the main attractions for me, it's almost as if she is reinventing "Dynamite" in neoclassical form. "

What I find interesting is that despite this reinvention it still sounds a lot like Dynamite (only without such an explicit post-punk vibe) or a more melodic, big budget version of People Are Strange - you'd think that with such a strong string quartet presence and so many jazz affectations the music would sound much closer to, say, the fuller pieces on And She Closed Her Eyes, but i think in the last ten years Stina's honed her arranging skills into such a distinct and purposeful weapon that she now rarely if ever sounds like she's performing in a particular style or genre.

Also, the press release says this is an upbeat record but in truth it is, as one would expect from Stina, a deliciously melancholy affair.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, this album is amazing. Tim otm re: arrangements; it's very obviously a progression from This Is... in that Stina seems to have based the general sonic feel on a lusher, more muted version of what Mitchell Froom did on This Is..., which she didn't always sound comfortable with. The World Is Saved is almost like the obverse of Dynamite (or maybe Dynamite is its evil twin) - there's the same paranoia, melancholy and fatalism, but the music flows rather than grinds.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 11:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah i should note that I do like This Is... which is in its own way just as interesting and multi-layered, but it frequently sounds like an uncomfortable record, and not in that it's unsettling but rather in that frequently the elements of the songs seem to be pitted against eachother (eg. the grain of her vocal and the arrangement won't match), and the result can sound either sound jarring or self-conscious. My favourite moment on that album is probably the chorus for "Trainsurfing", which is one of the few moments where the music just seems to take off, and loses its sense of itself as a song-construction. By comparison The World Is Saved seems to have several such moments.

Dynamite did this too, for all its grinding, and my favourite tracks on that album are similarly the ones that feel like they could go on forever - the title track, "Almost A Smile', "CQD", "Down Desire Avenue". Listening to that album agian, what leaps out at me right now is how the guitar is actually rarely particularly physical, for all its buzziness: it's the grain and the texture of that dirty guitar sound that Stina's focused on. The guitar is actually the most "soundscape" like aspect of the music, allowing the strings and the slow-groove rhythms to give the songs body and momentum. I think this is part of what makes them sound so compelling - the songs sound like they've been sculpted out of raw material, rough-hewn rock. The World Is Saved shares that feel, although it's softer, perhaps earth and clay.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 13:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh I love This Is... despite its occasionally jarring moments - possibly because it was just so odd to hear Stina, of all people, attempting a shiny pop album. I mean, "Lori Glory", wtf!

That's exactly why I feel Dynamite is the more pertinent comparison for The World Is Saved, even though it's soft-focus and easy on the ear like This Is...: most of the time, when the melody and the voice and the instruments all gel, there's a real sense of musical unity, whereas with This Is... youwere always aware of the disparate components to each song. Which I suppose goes back to what you were saying about Stina's arrangement skillz - I can't remember if she produced Dynamite or not? Even the most This Is...-esque song on The World Is Saved, "Butterfly", sounds very natural, while the best songs - "Parliament Square", "From Cayman Islands With Love" just take that to another level.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 13:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah Dynamite was self-produced. It's quite amazing to think that it came out only four or five years after Memories of a Colour.

I actually expected This Is... to be more pop than it turned out to be (as I only got it about a month ago, if that) - "Lori Glory" is a big exception obviously.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 13:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I am utterly, ridiculously in love with "On Falling".

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm surprised that so many of ILM's pop converts love Stina. Surprised but pleased!

Yeah "On Falling" is marvellous, although I think I probably adore everything except the last track (and even then I like it).

I think The World Is Saved will actually help me fall in love properly with This Is - I think my first few listens to the latter were fringed with nervousness that Stina seemed to be moving away definitively from the things I loved in her earlier work, whereas now I can appreciate it for what it is.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, This Is... is massively pop compared to Dynamite, and "Lori Glory" is just mind-bogglingly so. I've only heard a handful of pre-Dynamite songs, actually; I keep meaning to get around to acquiring the albums, but haven't yet.

Stina's the indie hangover from my pre-pop days!

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:14 (nineteen years ago) link

i have to periodically listen to just "Everyone Else in the World". i only just noticed this now. I was in the middle of listening to World is Saved just now, and had to go back to it again. she does this a lot, gets her hooks into you by stealth

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:15 (nineteen years ago) link

" I've only heard a handful of pre-Dynamite songs, actually; I keep meaning to get around to acquiring the albums, but haven't yet."

Oh, you have to hear And She Closed Her Eyes. If you find "Lory Glory" unusual wait till you hear her do upbeat love songs! "Hopefully Yours" and "Something Nice" - both really beautiful. It's a gorgeous record actually, a bit jazzy and folky but not as slight and genre-bound as Memories of a Colour. I can understand why it's a lot of people's favourite. The hushed harmonies in "When Debbie's Back From Texas" alone are enough to die for.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:22 (nineteen years ago) link

haha "Lori Glory" pretty much IS an upbeat love song. I will obviously acquire ASCHE in the future, it's been on the cards for a while.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:27 (nineteen years ago) link

"Hopefully Yours" is just swoonily romantic, and the lyrics are performed so brilliantly: "And I can't go on like this is not a way of telling you to be mine.... be mine" (that last bit sung so tentatively!).

I just listened to This Is and it sounded solidly great for the first time. I like it when ILX can change my reactions like that.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

You know, it was only actually AFTER hearing The World Is Saved that I could pinpoint exactly what was awkward about This Is... - I still love it though, especially after Alan reminded me of "Everyone Else In The World".

Stina's delivery of her lyrics has always been exquisite - possibly something to do with the natural pitch of her voice being one which is more normally associated with drama and high emotion, but the timbre being very deadpan and low-key. I can't think of anyone else who does deadpan in such a high pitch.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I used to find it interesting how Stina would be bracketed with Bjork, when in many ways they're polar opposites as vocalists.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I can't complain about it as it was that comparison which made me check out Stina in the first place, but it's very lazy. Sometimes it seems like any woman whose voice goes vaguely high, or is Scandinavian, is compared to Bjork.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link

For some unknown reason, I lost track of her after the second album.

Speaking of vaguely elfin-sounding divas: has Anja Garbarek done anything since Smiling and Waving?

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link

Anja Garbarek! I own Smiling And Waving - it's magnificent. Far more similar to Stina than Bjork, too. I don't know if she's done anything since.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:02 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG Andy you have to get "Dynamite" it would be your favourite album EVER!

"The World Is Saved" too, but I suspect "Dynamite" first and foremost.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:04 (nineteen years ago) link

OMG Tim I'm listening to Dynamite NOW! Loving the rusty edges.

Who else is making records remotely like these people?

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Andy do you have some sort of home delivery system or what?

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Ze Zwedishen ist Zuper.

Holga from germany. Or is it Switzerland?, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Andy K is on the global frequency.

And he raises a good question - who is making records even remotely like Dynamite et. al.?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a prototype of the fully-loaded iPod.

Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

AKA "Hey Heather, would you mind running down to the archive for me?"

No North American release planned as far as I know.

*grousegripe*

Dynamite is the one other album of hers I still don't have, I think.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link

eBay is your friend, Nedward. Also, I could be persuaded to make it available to you, if you so desire (and if I can find it).

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

eBay is your friend, Nedward

Good lord no. (Had I ever fallen to an eBay addiction, I would be in a sorry state.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I am a huge, longtime Stina fan, and yet I cannot stand This is.... Am I wrong?

adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, you are wrong.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:38 (nineteen years ago) link

but you like Suede!

adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:42 (nineteen years ago) link

Precisely.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 16:43 (nineteen years ago) link

when was the last time you actually listened to This is?

Honestly I had no idea this was Brett Anderson until you told me. I still barely notice him on those two tracks. "Everyone else in the world" is easily one of her best song.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

The Lex is very OTM re: Stina's high pitch deadpan. It reminds of a Thom Yorke quote I never fully believed: "You often have to sing unemotionally in order to sound emotional". Stina has this incredible way of projecting dramatic apathy; it often sounds like she is on the verge of collapsing and yet she couldn't be more comfortable in that position.

I have a bit of a soft spot for "This Is", because it was my first Stina record, but it does seem a bit too self-conscious in places. I have a feeling the bsides were kicked off the album because they were over 3 minutes long. I do love how the cheap MIDI saxophone riff on "Lori Glory" is nearly morphed into something meaningful by Stina's downtrodden vocals. The same transformation happens with the cheap synthesized acoustic guitars on Michael Mayer's "Slowflood" (although that is more due to the arrangement).

"This is" also has Brett Anderson sounding more dignified than 90% of his material post-Dog Man Star.

"And She Closed Her Eyes" and "Dynamite" are two of my favorite albums from the 90s.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

that saxophone on Lori Glory is such a Eno/Bowie rip off (it's straight off of v2 Schneider)! I love it!

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 20:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a feeling the bsides were kicked off the album because they were over 3 minutes long.

B-sides? I didn't even know there were singles! What are the b-sides like?

I went back to This Is... and Dynamite last night and fuck me, they're both superb.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Sharon and Hope's first two lines always sound a lot like Walk Away Renee to me. I'm ok with it, but everytime I get disappointed, because Sharon and Hope's chorus is so much weaker.. :(

derrick (derrick), Monday, 22 November 2004 07:55 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Ok, again, I'm really enjoing The World Is Saved, and Tim is OTM re: Stina's arranging skills. It does work as a counterpart to Dynamite, but in an evolutionary sense; Dynamite feels like a rough, amateurish sketch(i do love it, still) for the songs on TWIS, in comparison. This is surely her masterpiece to date.

derrick (derrick), Monday, 3 January 2005 09:48 (nineteen years ago) link

"rough amateurish sketch" - hmm yeah on the one hand this is one hundred percent correct, but on the other... songs like "Dynamite", "CQD" and "Down Desire Avenue" strike me as really virtuouso in the arrangement department - rough, yes, but absolutely voluptuous at the same time. If anything I wish The World Is Saved had more moments like these, moments of unabashed surround-sound maximalism. The two which most fit the bill are my two favourite tracks - "From Cayman Islands With Love" and especially "Morning Belongs To The Night", which I'd say is perhaps the most accomplished, flat out impressive thing she's done.

People who like those might like a lot of the darker songs on Lhasa's The Living Road album, although Lhasa is pretty much the opposite of Stina vocally.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 January 2005 12:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I used to find it interesting how Stina would be bracketed with Bjork, when in many ways they're polar opposites as vocalists.

People who like those might like a lot of the darker songs on Lhasa's The Living Road album, although Lhasa is pretty much the opposite of Stina vocally.

well, which is more accurate?

cutty (mcutt), Monday, 3 January 2005 13:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd forgotten that earlier comment! Stina is the opposite of a lot of people actually, in that she deliberately subtracts a lot of the emotion and expressiveness from her vocals. Lhasa's voice is deep and full whereas Bjork's is high (and thus closer in pitch to Stina) but Bjork is probably more OTT than Lhasa - who is melodramatic in a different way.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 3 January 2005 13:43 (nineteen years ago) link

There are a few moments of that grand sound on People Are Strange too, if I recall correctly, nestled in Like A Swallow, I Dream Of Jeannie, and Reason To Believe, but it still sounds relatively embryonic. TWIS is a confluence of the warmth and lushness of PAS with a more developed dissonance taken from Dynamite. This Is... is the odd one out, sitting more with the first two albums in terms of uncontinued ideas. TWIS is a much more natural follow up to PAS, for me.

I used to love Dynamite a lot, and it really hit me hard in, oh, 1999 or so when I first found it. Since getting into TWIS, I'm less enamoured, somehow. Maybe it's just less striking now. It's still a phenomenal album, just less monolithic, I guess.

re: vocals, yeah, it's a constant understatement. she's developed it over time, too; Memories of a Colour, while still nowhere near the operatic grandstanding Bjork is famous for, is much more conventionally expressive. She's become more deadpan with each album since, I think, and it's worked better and better, maybe less so on This Is....

derrick (derrick), Monday, 3 January 2005 20:37 (nineteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
03 stina nordenstam - the things you said.mp3
01 stina nordenstam - i could still (be an actor).mp3
16 freddie wadling & stina nordenstam - v?landsvisan.mp3
14 vangelis & stina nordenstam - slow piece (128kbps).mp3
15 vangelis - ask the mountains (extended version).mp3
07 stina nordenstam - dynamite (soundtrack mix).mp3
09 zbigniew preisner with stina nordenstam - for you.mp3
11 stina nordenstam - people are strange (unkle remix).mp3
06 mew feat stina nordenstam - her voice is beyond her years.mp3
05 stina nordenstam - greetings from the old.mp3
02 stina nordenstam - now when i see you.mp3
13 fleshquartet (vocals by s nordenstam & tim wolde) - someo.mp3
04 stina nordenstam - treat me nice.mp3
08 stina nordenstam - first day in spring.mp3
10 yello with stina nordenstam - to the sea (radio version n.mp3
12 stina nordenstam - little star (be zet wireless edit).mp3

.ada.m. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Are those all her rarities, Skilla?

The new(ish) album is fantastic. That is all.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

yes.

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I love that epic ambient remix of Little Star.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Thursday, 20 January 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Here's a rare interview with Stina from last year:
http://www.desireavenue.com/spec/singing/

Great reading.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Monday, 11 April 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
"The World Is Saved" has now been released in the U.S. with three good bonus tracks: "Failing to Fly," Get On With Your Life (Pluxus Mix,)" and "The End of A Love Affair (Faultline Remix.)"

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 24 June 2005 00:55 (eighteen years ago) link

Hm, waiting a bit might have been the right idea!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 June 2005 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

NICE!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 24 June 2005 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link

great

a real bear behind the microphone (nordicskilla), Friday, 24 June 2005 02:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Even nicer for you David, as a quote from your review made it to the album cover.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 24 June 2005 03:01 (eighteen years ago) link


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