2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

Just caught up on some Daily Show from last week.

"Fox News: The world's unfair, and we're becoming mentally unbalanced."

how is it that republicans always seem to pick the most obnoxious stances on everything? finally got them to agree about the less dependence on foreign oil thing, and their solution is to drill off of our shores, and be as obnoxiously anti-environment as possible about it.

conservatism since FDR has pretty much always defined itself by chanting the opposite of whatever the liberals want.

I assume it's because most Republican constituents aren't Republicans because of positions but because they define themselves against a 'liberal elitist' strawman. So they feel they need 'obnoxious' positions in order to stick it to the man.

Yeah. What Tombot said.

hence any timetable for withdrawal from Iraq is met with proposals that we stay there forever; any ideas about going into Pakistan to get Bin Laden are met with incredulity and accusations of irresponsibility; anything that challenges the status quo, even when the status quo is horrifyingly awful, is fraught with risk and should be avoided. "We're going to die if we stay in this cave." "Well, we're alive now, so I'm staying put."

It's so impossible to understand conservatives. At first blush they just seem like a bunch of people who just love to be huge assholes, but then you think that can't be it; is it an evolutionarily "healthy" xenophobia, or a genuine belief in a particular moral dogma, or true patriotism or some combination of that stuff plus some other potentially excusable motivators? But the only explanation that's internally consistent with the things they say and do is that they really are huge gaping assholes.

conservatives in being reactionary shocker?

Oh, xposts, I guess that's what being a reactionary means anyway, isn't it

(xposts again)

i tend to think many conservatives have a view that whatever is best for them in the short term is the best solution, and the long term consequences can be worked out later.

The whole point from Nixon on was to rail against the Dirty Fucking Hippies. Doesn't matter who the DFH actually are/were whatever.

a lot more to nixon than that. more than dfh's was railing against black criminals and rioters (imagined or not)

that's surprisingly reductive coming from you, kingfish

yeah, i'm hungover and distracted by watching the latest South Park ep at the same time. More articulate responses later.

meanwhile

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081011/ap_on_el_pr/mccain

[...]

Unhelpful for establishing the tone McCain sought in Davenport was the Rev. Arnold Conrad, past pastor of the Grace Evangelical Free Church. His prayer before McCain arrived at the convention center blocks from the Mississippi River appeared to dismiss faiths other than Christianity and cast the election as a referendum on God himself.

"I would also pray, Lord, that your reputation is involved in all that happens between now and November, because there are millions of people around this world praying to their god — whether it's Hindu, Buddha, Allah — that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons," Conrad said.

"And Lord, I pray that you would guard your own reputation, because they're going to think that their god is bigger than you, if that happens. So I pray that you will step forward and honor your own name with all that happens between now and Election Day," he said.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2914/palinju9.gif

bidens face in that gif ahaha

looks like he's got chaw

"praying to Buddha" or "praying to Hindu" sounds like something Homer Simpson would say

or Ricky Bobby

"And Lord, I pray that you would guard your own reputation, because they're going to think that their god is bigger than you, if that happens. So I pray that you will step forward and honor your own name with all that happens between now and Election Day," he said.

It's time to STEP IT UP, GOD!

I don't think that I think US right-wingers (whom I personally hate and fear) are the same thing as 'conservatives'. A lot of their beliefs are not very conservative. I can understand the appeal and some of the logic of being 'conservative' about something - that's not the same as spilling the poison that these people do. The main thing that I fear about right-wingers is not at all how conservative they are, but how radical they are.

Maybe I am stating the obvious (this is a familiar political theme that goes back at least to Thatcher) or maybe this is just a simple difference between big and small c conservatism, or whatever.

pinefox, you and everybody else here who hasn't already should read "Conservatives without Conscience" by John Dean.

conservatism unhinged from reason

conservatives in America are quite conservative in the "buying into & glorifying cultural mythology & traditions" sense

like habeas corpus?

looool praying to Hindu!

And Lord, I pray that you would guard your own reputation, because they're going to think that their god is bigger than you,

this is staggering

That's pure Old Testament, that is.

man that 'indywayne' shit gbx posted is amazing

racist paranoia? check
creepy sexual yearning? check
combat knives? bonus

i think this one's my favorite

http://www.flickr.com/photos/indywayne/2888983792/in/set-72157606125839984/

whats up with crutis77 these days?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/indywayne/2852197056/in/photostream/
I would like to nibble on her from head to toe for hours on end!

It's so impossible to understand conservatives. At first blush they just seem like a bunch of people who just love to be huge assholes, but then you think that can't be it; is it an evolutionarily "healthy" xenophobia, or a genuine belief in a particular moral dogma, or true patriotism or some combination of that stuff plus some other potentially excusable motivators? But the only explanation that's internally consistent with the things they say and do is that they really are huge gaping assholes.

The conservatives I know who are unmoved by the culture wars are men and women deeply suspicious of the federal government, specifically how it spends their taxes. They also view cultural trends with suspicion. These aren't, lord knows, innately conservative positions (plenty of liberals think like them too).

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wtf

http://www.flickr.com/photos/indywayne/2852197056/in/photostream/
I would like to nibble on her from head to toe for hours on end!

― and what, Saturday, October 11, 2008 4:38 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

http://i26.tinypic.com/2udyu5e.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3194/2888983792_7848b62e85.jpg?v=0
^^srsly, omg

why did they feel the need to break his nose?

what's up with THAT

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3263/2900272082_a23f050dc1.jpg?v=0

watching MSNBC...apparently John Lewis made a statement condemning the McCain rallies for their hatemongering and drew a comparison with George Wallace's campaign. McCain called for Obama to repudiate Lewis's remarks.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/10/11/1534130.aspx

Reply from Obama spokesman Bill Burton (from 538):

Senator Obama does not believe that John McCain or his policy criticism is in any way comparable to George Wallace or his segregationist policies.

But John Lewis was right to condemn some of the hateful rhetoric that John McCain himself personally rebuked just last night, as well as the baseless and profoundly irresponsible charges from his own running mate that the Democratic nominee for President of the United States ‘pals around with terrorists.’
As Barack Obama has said himself, the last thing we need from either party is the kind of angry, divisive rhetoric that tears us apart at a time of crisis when we desperately need to come together. That is the kind of campaign Senator Obama will continue to run in the weeks ahead.

http://www.straightgoods.ca/Election2008/Images/Articles/PalinPage/PictureWorth1000Words.jpg

And the cranks come out...:

Suspicious letters delivered to a theater in Palm Desert and to the Los Angeles Times on Friday appeared to contain no hazardous materials, FBI officials confirmed.

...

The envelope was addressed to two Times reporters and bore no return address, said Times Senior Security Manager Larry Belkin. "Save the Babies" was handwritten on the envelope's face, and "Kill All Obama Supporters" was written on the back, Belkin said. Inside was a one-page letter and a light brown granular substance.

FBI officials said the letter was very similar to one delivered on Thursday to an Obama campaign office in Palms, Belkin said.

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/7460/candidatesshoespt3.jpg

this is gonna be a super fun decade guys

seriously.